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00:10:33 <zzo38> Glulx has malloc and free as built-in instructions, and LLVM's @llvm.debugtrap() also is a built-in instruction of Glulx.
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01:02:45 <zzo38> However it may be difficult to implement all uses of alloca for Glulx
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01:33:46 <fizzie> Regarding your earlier question about audio/video DSPs, official support for the TMS320C6x series was (quite recently) added in GCC release 4.7. (There is also a project for running Linux on it, support is in kernel 3.3.) I don't think it has free simulators, though, and I don't know how much the chips cost.
01:33:52 <fizzie> There's a project called gDSPsim that tries to be a simulator for the TI TMS320C54x that I worked with, but it wasn't very complete back then, and doesn't seem to have really been worked on since 2003. Also, the C54x chips might not quite have the horsepower for video stuff.
01:33:58 <fizzie> There is a free Motorola DSP56001 assembler, and some unofficial ports of GCC 1.x, but those are very old, and again no simulators that I know of.
01:34:05 <fizzie> The Analog Devices Blackfin family has a GCC port, and the Skyeye embedded-system simulator has some sort of support for it, but I don't know how good.
01:34:09 <fizzie> And there might well be other archs I just know nothing about.
01:45:55 <fizzie> (The Blackfin is a kind of a hybrid between a general-purpose RISC microcontroller and a "traditional" DSP chip.)
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03:25:38 <Sgeo> Ugh
03:25:47 <Sgeo> Cloud Party's scripting language is some sort of fake Javascript
03:26:12 <Sgeo> Either functions are not first-class, or they are and the API makes absolutely no use of them being so
03:26:26 <Sgeo> I should check when it comes back online
03:28:53 <Sgeo> http://forums.cloudpartytime.com/discussion/1/scripting-documentation
03:41:56 <Sgeo> monqy, tswett UPDATE
03:42:39 <monqy> Error 503 Service Unavailable
03:42:39 <monqy> Service Unavailable
03:42:39 <monqy> Guru Meditation:
03:42:39 <monqy> XID: 1785361815
03:42:41 <monqy> what a good update
03:42:43 <monqy> thanks sgeo
03:58:33 <itidus21> so what exactly is cloud party?
03:58:57 <itidus21> looking on google images, i think i found it
03:59:00 <itidus21> ya
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06:08:22 <zzo38> What is a standing 8 count?
06:10:20 <zzo38> What is a 10 point must system of scoring?
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06:28:47 <Taneb> Hello
06:29:25 <zzo38> Do you know what standing 8 count and 10 point must system of scoring means?
06:29:48 <Taneb> No
06:29:51 <Taneb> I have no idea
06:30:48 <itidus21> Standing 8 count? What is a boxing judgment call made by a referee during a bout according to wikipedia, Alex.
06:31:25 <zzo38> That still doesn't explain very well.
06:37:26 <shachaf> kmc: Do you object to C89/99?
06:37:58 <shachaf> I was about to write it in a GHC bug report but I wouldn't want to make an enemy of you!
06:38:21 <zzo38> What does C89/99 have to do with a GHC bug report?
06:39:25 <shachaf> The RTS is written in C.
06:40:01 <zzo38> O, yes, it is.
06:40:10 <zzo38> Is there a bug in the RTS?
06:40:14 <shachaf> Yes.
06:40:26 <shachaf> (Well, Knuth and Ken Thompson might disagree on it.)
06:41:18 <zzo38> What bug is it? And why do they disagree?
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06:45:17 <shachaf> I'll just say C89.
06:45:26 <shachaf> Since GHC doesn't compile with -std=c99 anyway.
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06:57:38 <shachaf> KirinDave: Your rite to correct him!
06:57:50 <shachaf> (I count three meanings there.)
06:58:08 <shachaf> I think that was the wrong channel.
06:58:27 <shachaf> zzo38: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7037
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07:01:45 <zzo38> Yes they should fix that
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07:15:19 <kmc> shachaf: by "doesn't compile" you mean "doesn't use" or "doesn't work"?
07:16:16 <shachaf> I mean there's a comment saying something along the lines of "the former because of the latter".
07:16:25 <kmc> huh
07:16:26 <kmc> what breaks?
07:17:12 <shachaf> // On Solaris, we don't get the INFINITY and NAN constants unless we
07:17:15 <shachaf> // #define _STDC_C99, and we can't do that unless we also use -std=c99,
07:17:18 <shachaf> // because _STDC_C99 causes the headers to use C99 syntax (e.g. restrict).
07:17:20 <shachaf> // We aren't ready for -std=c99 yet, so define INFINITY/NAN by hand using
07:17:22 <shachaf> // the gcc builtins.
07:17:26 <shachaf> Maybe it's only Solaris, I don't know.
07:19:00 <kmc> fun times
07:19:36 <kmc> i like C99
07:19:48 <kmc> i should probably learn about C11
07:21:28 <kmc> it has threads and atomics...
07:22:26 <shachaf> Oh no, atomic!
07:22:41 <kmc> atoms for peace
07:26:02 <shachaf> I read that atoms are dangerous.
07:27:02 <kmc> yep
07:27:07 <kmc> they're used to make chemicals
07:32:04 <kmc> i'm going to disappear from IRC for two weeks
07:32:09 <kmc> biking to Vermont and back
07:32:18 <kmc> so my absence does not indicate that i've been eaten by a bear
07:32:20 <kmc> though that is a possibility
07:35:07 <shachaf> Yep, I heard this rumour.
07:43:03 <kmc> then later i am going to ireland, uk, greece, albania, montenegro, bosnia, croatia, hungary, slovakia, poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, finland
07:43:09 <kmc> or something like that
07:43:12 <shachaf> whoa, dude
07:43:14 <shachaf> When?
07:43:33 <kmc> july 18 through august 17
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08:08:15 <kmc> shachaf: do you have any travel plans?
08:08:40 <shachaf> kmc: Not currently. :-(
08:08:54 <shachaf> I should come up with some.
08:09:40 <kmc> i want to go to china
08:09:52 <kmc> requires more planning though
08:10:17 <shachaf> Do they still have the tourism program for North Korea?
08:11:39 <kmc> heh
08:14:30 <kmc> i am flying from BOS to DUB for about $500 round-trip
08:14:36 <kmc> pretty sweet deal
08:15:08 <shachaf> Maybe I should do that.
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08:16:37 <Taneb> Hello
08:16:46 <kmc> hi Taneb
08:17:27 <shachaf> This argc==0 bug is great.
08:17:40 <shachaf> Very few programs check it.
08:18:07 <shachaf> I'll be getting a tarsnap.com bounty for it too, it seems!
08:18:16 <kmc> nice!
08:18:58 <shachaf> Not that I use it.
08:19:46 <kmc> huh, they have a $10 bounty for even a typo in a comment in tarsnap!
08:19:58 <shachaf> What!
08:20:05 <shachaf> When I got my bounties it was $1/comment.
08:20:11 <kmc> er, i misread
08:20:14 <shachaf> I ran a spellchecker on the code and got $20 for it.
08:20:16 <kmc> "mistakes" in comments are $10
08:20:17 <kmc> haha
08:20:25 <kmc> you were actually the first person to think of that?
08:20:46 <shachaf> It was pretty soon after they were announced, so maybe?
08:21:08 <shachaf> It completely doesn't accompllish his goals of "getting more people to review the code".
08:22:38 <kmc> it gets more people to review the bounty schedule!
08:22:47 * shachaf wonders whether to trust tarsnap.
08:23:14 <kmc> well, they had one really embarassing mistake
08:23:30 <shachaf> Right.
08:24:20 <kmc> it might still be as good as you could realistically hope for
08:25:01 <shachaf> Well, I would assume that GPG + any online backup is probably more trustworthy (but also more expensive).
08:26:33 <kmc> shrug
08:27:05 <shachaf> It's not as if it actually matters.
08:27:36 <kmc> i don't think it's really true that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow"
08:27:47 <kmc> in fact i think you can find many counterexamples within the Linux kernel
08:28:51 <shachaf> No, but that doesn't mean it has no value at all.
08:29:05 <kmc> yeah
08:29:19 <kmc> most bugs, even critical security holes, are small dumb things
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08:36:04 <shachaf> The other $10 was from being in the channel and someone saying "hey, valgrind reports a memory leak in this program" and tracking it down.
08:36:10 * shachaf is the laziest bounty hunter.
08:36:19 <kmc> haha
08:40:37 <shachaf> kmc: Did you see ?
08:41:57 <kmc> no
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09:17:59 <Taneb> Might leave suddenly soon
09:18:21 <oerjan> the suspense!
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09:51:14 <oerjan> > sqrt 2150
09:51:15 <lambdabot> 46.36809247747852
09:51:48 <Taneb> > sqrt 21500
09:51:49 <lambdabot> 146.6287829861518
09:51:58 <Taneb> >sqrt 2500
09:52:21 <kmc> what kind of game is this
09:52:36 <kmc> > 46^2
09:52:37 <lambdabot> 2116
09:52:43 <kmc> > 47^2
09:52:44 <lambdabot> 2209
09:52:47 <Taneb> > let kmc = (-1) in sqrt kmc
09:52:48 <lambdabot> NaN
09:53:39 <oerjan> i was just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event and it gave an area of 2150 square kilometers
09:53:42 <oerjan> oh hm
09:53:48 <oerjan> > sqrt (2150/pi)
09:53:49 <lambdabot> 26.160394784772457
09:54:20 <kmc> heh
09:54:42 <Taneb> You know, there are no square numbers that end in 8 in base 10
09:54:46 <kmc> that's where the black oil comes from
09:54:59 <oerjan> Taneb: well duh
09:55:41 <oerjan> Taneb: iirc, take a look at cubes in base 8
09:56:04 <oerjan> um wait
09:56:07 <oerjan> no, squares
09:57:14 <kmc> IT IS TRIVIAL
09:57:16 <oerjan> now what
09:57:42 <Taneb> 1 0 3 0 5 0 7 0...
09:57:51 <Taneb> I was looking at cubes
09:58:07 <Taneb> 1 4 1 0 1 4 1 0..
09:59:16 <ion> Click on the image to see a picture of the entire motherboard, with the cat for scale. (Filesize for image is 110K, so it may take a few seconds to download.)
09:59:45 <ion> http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipx/
10:00:17 <oerjan> anyway, in a prime base, exactly (p+1)/2 of the digits can end a square.
10:00:53 <shachaf> What if it's an even prime?
10:00:57 <shachaf> CHECKMATE
10:01:05 <oerjan> *odd prime
10:01:28 <shachaf> You just ruled out, like, half the primes, man.
10:01:53 <ion> half primes are the best primes
10:01:54 <shachaf> BUT DO YOU PLAY CHESS
10:01:55 <oerjan> for a certain value of "half"
10:02:03 <oerjan> not for some time
10:02:19 <shachaf> I suspect *that's* what's giving you your checkmate invulnerability.
10:02:25 <oerjan> oh dear
10:02:34 <kmc> grr newegg really screwed me over
10:02:44 <kmc> purchased an item, the order sat for 9 days saying "packaging", then i poked them by email, and they realized / admitted they don't actually have the item
10:02:53 <shachaf> What item?
10:03:06 <kmc> thinkpad ultrabay battery
10:03:38 <kmc> now i have to buy this battery on ebay, it will probably be fake, and it will come on the slow boat to china
10:03:51 <kmc> ok, slow boat from china
10:04:04 <kmc> and with the 9 day delay, it might not arrive by the time i need it
10:04:12 <shachaf> Which type is it?
10:04:35 <kmc> the thinkpad is a T61
10:04:44 <kmc> the battery i want is 57Y4536, i think
10:06:25 * oerjan thinks there must be a market for express fakes. or something.
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10:31:33 <Taneb> Hello
10:34:37 <oerjan> good afternoon
10:41:43 <mroman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvsOOQwtPg <- any american here who would like to explain that joke to me o_O
10:43:59 <kmc> uh it's just "foreign languages sound funny if you don't understand them"
10:45:42 <mroman> Hu. I thought it would be some kind of other reference to something.
10:46:34 <kmc> not afaik
10:48:40 <kmc> i can't believe Family Guy has run for 20 seasons (if you include the carbon copy shows by the same guy)
10:49:10 <kmc> when i was in high school i thought it was funny but now it seems really bad
10:49:17 <kmc> i don't know if it got worse or my sense of humor outgrew it
10:49:18 <kmc> probably both
10:50:11 <mroman> Around here the target group is 14-30 years, so
10:51:18 <kmc> it's a profitable age group to target
10:51:20 <mroman> at least for students :)
10:51:39 <ion> I still like it. Also, it seems better than his carbon copies of it, but i watch them as well while bored.
10:52:02 <kmc> i watch a lot of bad tv when bored
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10:52:05 <shachaf> I think comedy is one of those things that can be popular without being good.
10:52:06 <kmc> i don't judge anyone else for doing so ;)
10:52:15 <kmc> shachaf: as opposed to all the other kinds of things?
10:52:32 <shachaf> Well, more than other things, I think.
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10:52:41 <shachaf> Maybe s/popular/enjoyable/
10:52:52 <kmc> it's strange because i think comedy has a more directly observable objective
10:53:12 <kmc> amusement and laughter are immediate surface-level emotions, compared to those which drama is supposed to evoke
10:53:32 <kmc> is a "bad" comedy which makes you laugh in spite of yourself really bad?
10:53:52 <kmc> there are a lot of shows where the joke is that you're watching this shit
10:53:59 <mroman> It's "we don't stop at anything"-comedy.
10:54:09 <mroman> They make AIDS Jokes and stuff like that.
10:54:44 <kmc> i don't have a moral objection to being shocking like that, but it's often something bad comedy leans on
10:54:51 <mroman> which of course is... well... a two sided blade.
10:55:06 <kmc> and family guy might have been edgy when it first aired, but they've been doing the same shit for 10 years now?
10:55:39 <kmc> i mean comedy is all about subverting expectations
10:55:48 <shachaf> Sort of.
10:55:55 <kmc> if the expectation is that everything is a shocking aids joke then pretty soon they all seem pedestrian
10:56:26 <kmc> but yeah, i haven't seen much of the show in many years, so i can't really comment on whether their sense of humor has evolved
10:56:33 <shachaf> There are some jokes you can always make that on average people will always laugh at and there's not really much point to it.
10:56:41 <mroman> Comedy usually always relies on someone beeing hurt.
10:56:55 <mroman> It's very hard to make a joke without insulting somebody.
10:57:00 <shachaf> For that matter good comedy isn't really made of "jokes".
10:57:07 <ion> I still enjoy the Family Guy “like the time when I…” bits, for instance, even though they’ve nothing new.
10:57:07 <kmc> mroman: that's not really true
10:57:16 <kmc> it's one element of comedy but it's neither necessary nor sufficient
10:57:34 <ion> ’re
10:57:48 <shachaf> ==kmc
10:57:48 <mroman> I can't think of any joke that would not fall into that category.
10:57:58 <kmc> well your basic puns don't
10:57:59 <shachaf> kmc: You should read that one book by Keith Johnstone.
10:58:01 <shachaf> _Impro_
10:58:03 <kmc> unless the person being hurt is the person who hears the pun ;)
10:58:50 <kmc> but also, what about the mitch hedberg style
10:59:02 <kmc> short observations, often of a surreal nature, sometimes subverting expectations
10:59:19 <mroman> You can't make fun of somebody without the chance of hurting him.
10:59:25 <mroman> There sure are other forms of comedy, agreed.
10:59:29 <kmc> why do you think comedy is only about making fun of somebody?
10:59:36 <mroman> I don't.
10:59:37 <kmc> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mitch_hedberg.html
10:59:53 <kmc> who does this style now... demitri martin maybe?
10:59:57 <mroman> But the tv shows pretty much seem to be based on that sort of comedy.
11:00:05 <kmc> mroman: Family Guy is...
11:00:27 <mroman> But consider pantomimic comedy.
11:00:30 <kmc> i think you have a point though
11:00:44 <shachaf> "Every time I go and shave, I assume there's someone else on the planet shaving. So I say, 'I'm gonna go shave, too.'"
11:00:44 <kmc> that situation-based comedy is much easier to do if someone's the butt of the joke
11:00:50 <mroman> If he pretends to fall down the stairs he's making fun of people who actually did fall down the stairs.
11:01:01 <kmc> and TV comedy is going to be more situation-based than standup
11:01:02 <mroman> even though this was not really his intention, but still.
11:01:23 <shachaf> mroman: Are you going to deconstruct falling down the stairs now?
11:01:35 <mroman> What?
11:02:17 <kmc> there is a reason why most successful sitcoms have some if not most main characters who are just terrible people
11:02:22 <mroman> I'm just saying that you hardly can make comedy without offending someone somewhere in the world.
11:02:33 <kmc> mroman: you're wrong
11:02:34 <kmc> again
11:02:54 <kmc> well
11:03:00 <kmc> for any statement you can probably find someone who is offended
11:03:04 <kmc> but that's not what you were saying before
11:03:18 <kmc> you can certainly tell jokes where the humor is not based on offending or hurting any real or imagined party
11:03:29 <kmc> and this is a pretty big subset of comedy, it's not a tiny niche like you make it out to be
11:04:05 <shachaf> "I want to get a vending machine, with fun sized candy bars, and the glass in front is a magnifying glass. You'll be mad, but it will be too late."
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11:11:58 <kmc> grr, need to find a copy of _Louie_ season 3 premiere
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12:27:41 <itidus21> to generalize, theres probably nothing you can do or avoid doing which won't offend someone somewhere
12:30:27 <itidus21> if you support one political party or candidate, you might offend supporters of another political party or candidate.
12:31:22 <itidus21> if you support capitalism you might offend communists, vice versa. if you support police you might offend people who don't like them
12:32:46 <itidus21> of course trivially offended people might be misguided
12:39:53 <kmc> yeah, some people are too easily offended
12:40:05 <kmc> but also, some comments really are offensive and ought to be condemned by civilized society
12:42:10 <kmc> there is a common sentiment that being offended by anything is unreasonable
12:43:09 <itidus21> you're right
12:43:13 <kmc> this sentiment is particularly common among straight white men, who are rarely the target of serious racist / sexist / etc. comments
12:43:40 <kmc> and it's particularly common in technical communities, programmers etc.
12:43:49 <kmc> maybe just because of the demographics of those communities
12:44:15 <kmc> maybe because we like to think of ourselves as hyper-rational post-emotional robots
12:44:23 <kmc> we're too smart to be offended, right
12:45:01 <itidus21> interesting
12:45:05 <Gregor> It comes from a completely broken social more that people should respect everyone.
12:45:15 <Gregor> Which is a very dangerous precedent.
12:49:08 <kmc> applying postel's law would say that you should try not to be offended by others, but you should also try to avoid offending others
12:49:16 <kmc> a lot of technical communities follow only the first half of that
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12:52:59 <kmc> in fact they make offending others out to be a virtue
12:53:23 <kmc> if you can act like an asshole and still get your patches merged, it's social proof of your eleet coding skills
12:55:13 <kmc> but any social signal is vulnerable to mimicry
12:55:35 <kmc> so over time these projects attract assholes who don't actually provide value, or not enough to offset their unpleasantness
12:59:06 <itidus21> I think (but probably don't practice) that a big part of being a good person (at a computer) involves actualizing ideals on the moment to moment micro level rather than the day by day macro level.
13:00:08 <kmc> interesting!
13:00:11 <kmc> can you elaborate?
13:00:39 <itidus21> but somehow this can go wrong, trying to be something can lead to feeling like you're not being yourself, or that you're sublimating your needs only to vent them later
13:01:13 <itidus21> kmc: well for example, a person can become an ideal chatter in any given post
13:07:14 <itidus21> like, instead of thinking "i should say something nice today", one might think "i will say something nice in my next post"
13:11:03 <kmc> hm
13:11:07 <kmc> why is one preferable to the other?
13:11:17 <itidus21> "i should X today".. "i will X in my next post" where X = {"try not to offend anyone","try not be offended by anyone",...}
13:11:37 <itidus21> the latter is moee likely to happen
13:11:45 <itidus21> ^more
13:12:16 <kmc> yeah
13:12:19 <itidus21> also.. to highlight that the latter may be possible (but not always)
13:14:11 <kmc> that makes sense
13:15:45 <itidus21> it would be nice to think people were trying to optimize the way they meet their needs.. but i'm out of touch with how people actually think
13:18:14 <itidus21> ok im losing track
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13:26:19 <itidus21> so, part of what i am saying is that the difficulty of doing good varies with respect to time
13:31:18 <itidus21> it is easier to give money when you have money(debatable), and easier to be nice to someone when they are being nice to you
13:32:02 <itidus21> easier to not be jealous of someone when they are worse off than you
13:36:18 <itidus21> on the other hand
13:41:00 <itidus21> as i inferred from jackie chan's biography, intense training by a wise person can seem like abuse, but the difference is the intention
13:41:23 <itidus21> real abuse is designed to weaken and not strengthen.
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13:51:59 * itidus21 is reading about closures, decides to take a break after the first paragraphs and reflect
13:54:50 <itidus21> so on the set of lowercase alphabet, you might have, after(a) == b, before(k) == j, and before() and after() would be closed on the lowercase alphabet so long as it loops where before(a) == z
13:55:18 <itidus21> but if it didn't loop then you would get some kind of empty element for before(a)
14:00:40 <itidus21> but in addition as seen with, uppercase(w) == W , closure of lowercase alphabet with respect to uppercase() would be the uppercase alphabet (had to carefully read wiki forming this sentence)
14:04:05 <fizzie> Sounds more likely that the closure would be the union of both lowercase and uppercase.
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14:07:18 <itidus21> i can't see any good reason that teeth have nerves
14:07:26 <itidus21> or that they have so many
14:07:58 <itidus21> on second thought
14:08:25 <itidus21> i suppose we would chew on things we shouldn't otherwise
14:08:39 <itidus21> sorry, tooth bugging me
14:10:38 <itidus21> actually it blew my mind that operand(N, N) is not always equal to N
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14:11:54 <itidus21> so add can be N <- add(N,N) .. but subtraction of two N's is Z <- sub(N, N)
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14:53:32 <Taneb> Hello
15:32:05 <mroman> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck <- somebody please delete this page?
15:32:12 <mroman> or move it to a better name
15:32:14 <mroman> this way it sucks :)
16:10:23 <Taneb> Man, I need to actually finish Trine sometime
16:40:31 <mroman> Beautiful game, but does not run on my average machine :(
16:46:40 <Taneb> An episode of NCIS reminded me of it for reasons that only apply to me
16:47:04 <Taneb> (I was playing Trine and watching it at the same time)
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16:48:21 <Sgeo> Don't play Trine. Just listen to the soundtrack
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18:44:28 <zzo38> They do not allow you to put moderators or yourself on ignore list!
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18:54:42 <oerjan> <mroman> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck <- somebody please delete this page? <-- the only people who can do that are elliott and ais523, and neither is here at the moment (and elliott seems to think this channel isn't worth joining lately)
18:55:08 <oerjan> well the only people that are usually on this channel
18:55:53 <oerjan> also you can do moves yourself, just not delete the automatic redirect left there
18:57:13 * oerjan keeps being taken aback everytime he reads "trine", because it's a common norwegian girl name
19:00:17 <oerjan> <kmc> there is a common sentiment that being offended by anything is unreasonable <-- it is not unreasonable to be offended by someone _trying_ to offend you. otherwise i'm not so sure.
19:01:12 <oerjan> of course being able not to be offended even in the former case is an immensely useful skill, for those who can manage it.
19:17:42 <kmc> if somebody expresses their honest opinion that whites are the superior race, i will be offended and lose my respect for them
19:18:00 <kmc> it doesn't matter if they're trying to offend me, or if they're just explaining their views in earnest
19:18:29 <kmc> i'm offended by the shit treatment of women in technical communities, even though most of that is not consciously intended to offend anyone
19:20:21 <copumpkin> what's frustrating is how defensive everyone gets when you point it out to them
19:20:34 <copumpkin> and how much rationalization instantly follows
19:21:22 <kmc> yeah
19:21:43 <kmc> and blaming the people who got offended for being offended is one of the main defensive mechanisms
19:22:01 <copumpkin> I've almost tried to stop using the word offense when dealing with people I think aren't receptive
19:22:17 <kmc> that seems like a good idea
19:22:18 <copumpkin> since people will knee-jerk and write it off as "aww, are someone's feelings hurt?"
19:22:28 <kmc> pfft, feelings are so uncool man
19:22:49 <copumpkin> much more productive to just call them an asshole o without using the O word at all ;)
19:23:47 <edwardk> i find your ability to be offended offensive or something
19:29:54 <oerjan> mroman: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.ibone.ch&namespace= shows up some more links
19:31:19 <oerjan> @tell mroman http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.ibone.ch&namespace= shows up some more links
19:31:20 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:33:32 <mroman> thanks.
19:33:33 <lambdabot> mroman: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
19:41:57 <mroman> @tell lambdabot Thanks.
19:41:57 <lambdabot> Nice try ;)
19:42:50 <fizzie> Nice try, being friendly like that.
19:42:57 <mroman> Can it recommend movies yet?
19:43:40 <itidus21> kmc, compumpkin: you guys should see a scene in 21 jump street, where these old guys returning to high school learn that it's no longer cool to be an asshole :P
19:44:01 <itidus21> i know it's idealized, but it's funny
19:45:50 <mroman> It's ironic.
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20:02:05 <asiekierka> hi
20:02:30 <mroman> hi
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20:29:32 <ion> Field testing of my latest prototype squirrel feeder http://youtu.be/lunksapjAEI
20:30:49 <fizzie> Is it, in fact, yours?
20:31:52 <ion> Nah, i just quoted the text.
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20:35:49 <Taneb> Hello
20:37:01 <mroman> elloH
20:37:22 <fizzie> olleH
20:38:33 <itidus21> lloHe
20:39:36 <fizzie> 025*").kcats eht no rotanimret gnirts ticilpxe na tup sremmargorp egnufeB suoitneicsnoc llA( !dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@
20:39:42 <itidus21> lleHo
20:39:42 <fizzie> (Actually, I think it's just me.)
20:46:46 <mroman> > (permutations "Hello") !! 8
20:46:48 <lambdabot> "lelHo"
20:47:00 <mroman> Too bad.
20:47:11 <mroman> No one of you got the right answer for the Hello lottery.
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20:51:51 <asiekierka> elolH
20:52:10 <Taneb> ^celebrate
20:52:10 <fungot> \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/
20:52:11 <myndzi> | | | `\o/´ | | | `\o/´ | | |
20:52:11 <myndzi> /´\ /'\ /'\ | /| /| /| | /| >\ /|
20:52:11 <myndzi> (_|¯´¯|_) /'\
20:52:11 <myndzi> (_| |_)
20:52:21 <asiekierka> why did fungot begin and myndzi finish
20:52:22 <fungot> asiekierka: that could be one choice
20:52:23 <asiekierka> O _ O
20:52:45 <Taneb> asiekierka, because fungot triggers myndzi's feature
20:52:46 <fungot> Taneb: see you all around, and i'm not sure what you mean, a sequence of uppercase characters counts as a
20:52:54 <Phantom_Hoover> Noone really knows why myndzi has that feature.
20:53:07 <Taneb> That's like `echo ^foo, but actually works
20:53:11 <asiekierka> \o| |o| |o/
20:53:11 <myndzi> | | |
20:53:11 <myndzi> >\ |\ /`\
20:53:17 <asiekierka> . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
20:53:26 <Taneb> \o| |o| |o/
20:53:26 <myndzi> | | |
20:53:26 <myndzi> /< /< /<
20:53:29 <Taneb> \o| |o| |o/
20:53:29 <myndzi> | | |
20:53:29 <myndzi> /| /< /|
20:53:30 <asiekierka> |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o|
20:53:37 <asiekierka> ha
20:53:49 <asiekierka> \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/
20:53:57 <asiekierka> hey, myndzi, y u no celebrate
20:54:00 <Taneb> You want to start with a space
20:54:05 <asiekierka> \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/
20:54:05 <myndzi> | | | | | | | | | | | |
20:54:05 <myndzi> |\ /^\ /< >\ /< /< /< /< >\ /< /`\ >\
20:54:08 <asiekierka> oh yes, i do
20:54:16 <asiekierka> |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o|
20:54:20 <asiekierka> but that still fails
20:54:28 <Taneb> Maybe it's too long?
20:54:35 <Taneb> You'd have to ask myndzi
20:54:39 <fizzie> It does have some limits.
20:55:36 <FireFly> /o\
20:55:36 <myndzi> |
20:55:37 <myndzi> /<
20:55:50 <Taneb> Oh no!
20:55:56 <fizzie> It's a "the sky is falling" posture.
20:55:57 <mroman> asiekierka: Too late.
20:56:22 <mroman> \o/ O-.-O \O/
20:56:22 <myndzi> |
20:56:23 <myndzi> |\
20:56:44 <mroman> \o\o\o\o////
20:56:52 <fizzie> Lots of beheadings there.
20:57:08 <mroman> \o/\o/
20:57:09 <myndzi> | |
20:57:09 <myndzi> /´\/´\
20:57:14 <mroman> \o\o/
20:57:23 <mroman> interesting.
20:57:46 <FireFly> ~\o|
20:57:46 <myndzi> |
20:57:47 <myndzi> /|
20:58:01 <mroman> /o\o/
20:58:10 <mroman> /o\
20:58:11 <myndzi> |
20:58:11 <myndzi> /`\
20:58:20 <mroman> Mindfuck /o\o/
20:58:52 <fizzie> Also what's the conceptual difference between the /^\ /´\ /`\ legs?
20:59:30 <mroman> well
20:59:49 <mroman> girl, left-wearer, right-wearer?
21:00:22 <mroman> leftdresser, rightdresser?
21:01:00 <fizzie> I was wondering if it was that.
21:03:37 <mroman> / \ is missing though
21:16:49 <fizzie> /‾\
21:19:47 <mroman> eunuch mode ;)
21:20:13 <kmc> more like /|\
21:21:16 <Vorpal> hey, it seems for unknown reason I got a gift card on steam (in the steam inventory thingy) for a game I already own (got it as part of an indie royale bundle, wasn't interested in that specific game in the bundle)
21:21:23 <Vorpal> if anyone want "Nuclear Dawn", just tell me
21:21:25 <zzo38> http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=96267#96267
21:21:40 <mroman> kmc: You mean /7\
21:21:46 <fizzie> kmc: As long as it's not /¦\, that sounds painful.
21:21:48 <Vorpal> it is a FPS/RTS crossover
21:21:52 <mroman> if you bend it you can at least still walk
21:22:03 <mroman> /|\ <-walking like this would be seriously difficult.
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21:24:08 <Taneb> \say /'\ :(
21:24:15 <Taneb> Wait, it's /say
21:24:16 <Taneb> damn
21:24:23 <Taneb> /'\ :(
21:25:42 <mroman> /'\
21:29:03 <zzo38> What is your opinions about the Famicom-MIDI document that I wrote?
21:33:24 <fizzie> If anyone wants... uh, what was it called? Right, "Men of War: Vietnam". That. I could give that away. (Since apparently you're not allowed to sell Steam gifts.)
21:34:05 <Vorpal> fizzie, heh, what is that game?
21:34:20 <fizzie> Some sort of a game about men being at war, in Vietnam, I believe.
21:34:20 <Vorpal> fizzie, I never heard of it
21:34:30 <fizzie> It may involve shooting.
21:34:35 <Vorpal> fizzie, an FPS?
21:35:04 <fizzie> "-- a 2009 real-time tactics video game and the sequel to Faces of War. Players issue orders to and/or take direct control of soldiers on a simulation-driven battlefield."
21:35:46 <Vorpal> fizzie, is the "Vietnam" thing a DLC or something? I can't find a wikipedia page on that
21:35:50 <Vorpal> just on "men at war"
21:35:55 <fizzie> It's a stand-alone expansion.
21:35:59 <Vorpal> aha
21:36:04 <fizzie> Mentions it on the page.
21:36:12 <fizzie> "Four standalone expansions were released for Men of War: Red Tide, Assault Squad, Vietnam, and Condemned Heroes."
21:36:28 <Vorpal> fizzie, how did you get that gift?
21:36:52 <fizzie> In that holiday coal whatever thing.
21:37:01 <Vorpal> oh okay
21:37:05 <Vorpal> I got this random one recently
21:37:12 <Vorpal> fizzie, I take it you aren't interested?
21:37:54 <fizzie> I'm not so much RTS or FPS, so I doubt a hybrid would really go much better.
21:37:59 <Vorpal> ah
21:38:01 <Vorpal> same here really
21:38:17 <Vorpal> I did enjoy Deux Ex: Human Revolution though
21:38:50 <Vorpal> need a good single player experience for me to be interested
21:39:03 <Vorpal> not much of a competitive multiplayer fan
21:39:23 <fizzie> Aw, this was a very nice sanity check to make:
21:39:24 <fizzie> # mount /mnt/win7
21:39:24 <fizzie> Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
21:39:32 <fizzie> I probably would've ruined something otherwise.
21:39:35 <Vorpal> fizzie, yeah I'm not that interested in men of war, I'm sure someone else could have more use of it
21:39:36 <itidus21> since fizzie himself doesn't want it he probably knows it will be hard to find anyone he knows who wants it
21:39:52 <itidus21> but, it's a nice gesture :D
21:40:45 <fizzie> Also, did we-as-in-the-channel have someone from Belgium? I vaguely recall we did.
21:41:00 <Vorpal> check the logs of joins for *.be?
21:41:08 <Vorpal> fizzie, you have a snazzy database for it after all
21:41:30 <fizzie> Oh, it was AnotherTest.
21:41:43 <fizzie> At least if the hostname is to be trusted.
21:41:45 <itidus21> Vorpal: i had the same talk with my brother.. he mentioned, that an mmo he was playing had a gift thing that you could play for a month or something.. and when i felt awkward saying no he explained that i didn't have to explain myself etc
21:42:05 <Vorpal> itidus21, eh?
21:42:13 <Vorpal> itidus21, I didn't feel awkward
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21:42:22 <itidus21> ok im "projecting"!
21:42:26 <Vorpal> yeah stop that
21:42:29 <itidus21> i can't
21:42:38 <itidus21> i can't just turn it off
21:42:44 <Vorpal> well, filter it then
21:44:03 <fizzie> Hey, it's leap second time real soon.
21:44:15 <itidus21> its an awkward sector of the social protocol that we can feel kind of awkward if we turn something down, even if it's an unwanted gift being passed along
21:44:31 <fizzie> Well, "real soon" but soonishly anyway.
21:44:35 <fizzie> (June 30, 2012, at 23:59:60 UTC.)
21:44:53 <Vorpal> "Låt dina tänder vara din tungas stängsel" ("Let your teeth be the fence of your tongue", a Swedish idiom, iirc originating from some famous collection of stories (along the same level of famous as the Icelandic "edda"))
21:44:56 <Vorpal> itidus21, ^
21:45:13 <olsner> Vorpal: I have never heard that
21:45:19 <itidus21> is that like a fable?
21:45:23 <Vorpal> olsner, I have heard it many times
21:45:42 <Vorpal> itidus21, like Beowulf iirc
21:45:50 <itidus21> ahh
21:46:09 <itidus21> i have la fontaine's fables by my bedside
21:46:21 <itidus21> somewhere or other
21:46:21 <Vorpal> olsner, jag växte upp med en mor som läst literaturvetenskap dock
21:46:27 <Vorpal> olsner, so that might have influenced me
21:46:50 <olsner> Vorpal: my family only reads fantasy and sci-fi
21:47:10 <FireFly> I don't recognize that idiom either
21:47:26 <Vorpal> oh well
21:47:52 <Vorpal> might not be exactly the correct wording
21:48:01 <fizzie> There's also apparently a leap second (well, NTP + adjtimex-related) Linux kernel bug crashing computers today.
21:48:19 <itidus21> i have a series of thoughts sometimes 1)reading a foreign text translated into english 2)the original sense of the text is probably lost in translation 3)if i knew the foreign language i could more fully appreciate the text 4)i don't appreciate any text in english so greatly so this is all probably a fallacy
21:48:28 <olsner> fizzie: wat!
21:48:35 <Vorpal> fizzie, eh?
21:48:44 <fizzie> olsner: http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today and first answer.
21:48:57 <Vorpal> fizzie, when did that happen? My laptop has been running linux with ntp fine today
21:49:06 <fizzie> 00:44 < fizzie> Well, "real soon" but soonishly anyway.
21:49:06 <fizzie> 00:44 < fizzie> (June 30, 2012, at 23:59:60 UTC.)
21:49:20 <fizzie> (But apparently the crashes don't necessarily happen right then.)
21:49:28 <itidus21> the leap second causes crashes?
21:49:58 <fizzie> Not directly, no.
21:50:13 <itidus21> how exciting
21:51:07 <Vorpal> do I need to be worried?
21:51:59 <fizzie> Well, the LKML post about the fix is from March this year. Presumably newer kernels might not have problems. (Though the original question mentions a 3.2.21, so who knows.)
21:52:13 <Vorpal> I'm on 2.6.31...
21:52:23 <Vorpal> so yeah
21:52:41 <Vorpal> err 2.6.39 actually, 2.6.31 is the stock kernel
21:52:45 <itidus21> hmm
21:52:47 <Vorpal> so even more so
21:53:20 <fizzie> Well, there's that workaround in the question. Though I haven't noticed any problems with my computers which aren't running that new kernels either, and they do NTP.
21:53:26 <itidus21> so you know how notch is planning to have some kind of ingame computer on something, well, it occurs it could be funny if such an ingame computer could crash
21:54:22 <fizzie> "ntpd therefore calls adjtimex sometime during the day of the leap second, at which point this bug is triggered." I guess you'll know if you hit it in about two hours.
21:54:27 <itidus21> `postlogs blaise
21:54:34 <Vorpal> itidus21, yes in 0x10c right?
21:54:37 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: postlogs: not found
21:54:49 <itidus21> `pastlogs blaise
21:54:52 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found
21:54:58 <itidus21> `pastelogs blaise
21:55:31 <HackEgo> No output.
21:55:34 <itidus21> `pastelogs blaise
21:55:49 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12886
21:55:53 <fizzie> The "DCPU-16" in it seemed kinda funny, it's got stack things (push, pop, peek) as an addressing mode.
21:56:26 <zzo38> I thikn stack operations could be good for addressing mode
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21:58:33 <fizzie> Oh, I'm not complaining, just that it seems funny. Though it also makes me wonder what "ADD PUSH, POP" etc. would do. I don't think it explicitly specifies evaluation order or when exactly the post-increment/pre-decrement are done.
21:59:01 <zzo38> Probably you have to pop first, and then push
21:59:38 <zzo38> As far as I can tell it should mean pop both operands and push the result, but I don't know
22:00:09 <oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa
22:00:23 <oerjan> wait, i survived
22:00:39 <itidus21> `pastelogs naruto
22:00:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1376
22:01:11 <Vorpal> fizzie, well I went for the safe approach and just unset the flag (and stopped ntp)
22:01:18 <Vorpal> I will enable it again tomorrow I guess
22:02:01 <olsner> but if the flag is set and your machine is still running, that means you're fine?
22:02:01 <fizzie> I'm guessing it would do the same as ADD PEEK, PEEK. But, you know, if it were a real hardware CPU, it might be very possible something unexpected happened, because they wouldn't expect two stack-affecting operands in the same instruction.
22:02:56 <oerjan> itidus21: doesn't seem to be a frequent subject here :P
22:03:08 <Vorpal> <oerjan> wait, i survived <-- huh?
22:03:12 <Vorpal> the pun? or what?
22:03:24 <oerjan> the leap second
22:03:29 <Vorpal> ah
22:03:31 <oerjan> oh wait
22:03:31 <Vorpal> well right
22:03:41 <oerjan> forgot about time zone
22:03:42 <Vorpal> oerjan, UTC
22:03:45 <Vorpal> right
22:03:57 <Vorpal> oerjan, just run adjtimex and check if the flag is set
22:04:05 <Vorpal> if it is, run it again as root to unset it
22:04:19 <oerjan> i'm not sure that's such a good idea on windows.
22:04:27 <Vorpal> hah
22:04:34 <Vorpal> oerjan, doubt windows is affected by it
22:05:01 <fizzie> Oh, I thought it was a general "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa, a leap second", not related to the bug.
22:05:08 <fizzie> They can be pretty scary.
22:05:13 <oerjan> fizzie: it was
22:05:16 <fizzie> Right.
22:05:26 <zzo38> I do not completely understand what all of those things means
22:06:43 <itidus21> feb 18th 2012 <itidus20> i had an idea once which i have not discarded about having a computer as an ingame object akin to a potion, a sword, a key or a shield. "0x10c (stylized as 0x10c) is a sandbox-type game currently under development by Markus "Notch" Persson of Mojang. It was announced via Twitter by Notch on April 3, 2012." yeah!
22:07:06 <Vorpal> <fizzie> They can be pretty scary. <-- really?
22:07:13 <Vorpal> wussies
22:07:17 <itidus21> <itidus20> I actually got this idea (unconcious plagiarism) from someone asking the naruto comic artist if he would ever put computers in the naruto world, and he said something like, well maybe 8bit
22:07:26 <zzo38> I figured out some of it, such as: If you knock out your opponent for ten seconds before time up then you win instantly otherwise they do by score. But I do not understand how the score is figured out.
22:08:08 <fizzie> Vorpal: Well, a 61st second. It is kinda freaky.
22:08:14 <Vorpal> hm true
22:08:41 <fizzie> Though other people do hold leap second parties. It takes all kinds.
22:08:50 <Vorpal> parties?
22:09:02 <fizzie> It's a one-second party, as I understand it.
22:09:13 <Vorpal> okay that is kind of awesome
22:09:15 <fizzie> Probably just time enough to go "wheeee!"
22:09:17 <Vorpal> I just thing (baring crashes) it is a non-event.
22:09:24 <kmc> how many shots can you take in 1 second
22:09:27 <itidus21> i shall not allow notch to be a better game designer than me
22:09:37 <Vorpal> fizzie, I don't understand the point in going "wheee" in general
22:09:43 <Vorpal> it is such a strange sound
22:10:02 <Vorpal> kmc, automatic or semi-automatic?
22:10:13 <kmc> hey man, nice shot
22:10:44 <Vorpal> oh, you meant as in drinking
22:10:48 <kmc> yes
22:10:49 <Vorpal> I didn't even think of that XD
22:11:08 <fizzie> Vorpal's parties involve more gunfire than drinking, I think.
22:11:11 <zzo38> I do not understand how the score is figured out in this game. Do ropes affect the score? Does the score affected by if you knocked out your opponent temporarily? The only thing I understand is that whoever has more points wins, and if the score is equal then it is called a draw
22:11:19 <Vorpal> fizzie, well I don't drink any alcohol
22:11:31 <fizzie> Do you shoot guns much?
22:11:47 <itidus21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorQ_ULcvss
22:12:18 <Vorpal> fizzie, outside video games? I once tried an air gun many years ago.
22:12:21 <Vorpal> other than that? never
22:13:01 <fizzie> Well, it's not *much* more gunfire than alcohol, then, but maybe a tiny little bit.
22:13:11 <Vorpal> you beat me to a comment like that
22:14:54 <Vorpal> hm, looking through video games I own on steam due to various bundles but never played I chanced upon cave story+, I heard it was good, should I play it?
22:15:36 <zzo38> They sell: Power $4400, Body $7200, Energy $1200, Morale $1600, Agility $2700, Strength $4200, Speed $2600, Instinct $3400
22:16:04 <Vorpal> wow I own so many games on steam, most of them indie
22:16:28 <Vorpal> fizzie, did you ever finish VVVVVV btw?
22:16:33 <Vorpal> or was it Deewiant who played that?
22:16:52 <Deewiant> I've played it through a couple of times.
22:16:55 <itidus21> Vorpal: well the people in #gamedev get tired of hearing my shit. but what i mean to ask is, how many % of the steam games you own have you actually played?
22:17:13 <Vorpal> Deewiant, right, I don't have the required skill for it.
22:17:41 <zzo38> Do you know about boxing? Messages are displayed such as "BREAK!!" and "He has you on ropes!" what do they do?
22:17:50 <itidus21> zzo38: is that a text game?
22:18:03 <Vorpal> itidus21, hm? I tried most at least for a bit (unless they were RTS)
22:18:27 <itidus21> Vorpal: so you would buy a game, discover it was RTS, then abandon it?
22:18:37 <fizzie> I've played it "through" as in storywise probably twice, and I think I did collect all the shiny trinkets once.
22:18:44 <zzo38> itidus21: It is game on X-BIT, so it is telnet
22:18:49 <Vorpal> itidus21, eh I would read first before I bought it. The only reason I would have an RTS would be if it was part of a bundle
22:18:54 <Vorpal> where I wanted some other games
22:18:57 <Vorpal> so indie bundle instead
22:19:04 <itidus21> ok that helps
22:19:04 <Vorpal> s/instead/indeed/
22:19:21 <itidus21> it would seem pretty bizzare if you could part with cash for a game whose genre you don't know
22:19:31 <Vorpal> itidus21, oh and I didn't even bother trying Amnesia :P
22:19:38 <Vorpal> (it was part of the last humble bundle)
22:19:44 <Vorpal> nor did I try Limbo
22:19:49 <Vorpal> I don't like horror games
22:19:50 <Vorpal> so yeah
22:19:58 <Vorpal> would have wasted download times on those
22:20:45 <fizzie> I don't play horror either, but LIMBO is more of a puzzle platformer with a bit of a theme.
22:20:50 <Vorpal> hm okay
22:20:52 <fizzie> (Also you die a lot.)
22:20:53 <Taneb> Well, goodnight
22:20:54 <zzo38> Did you like computer game I make? I do not charge any money, and they are all public domain (including source-codes), so if you do not like it you can change it or you can discard it and lot lose any money
22:20:58 <Vorpal> itidus21, anyway some games (from bundles again) I played outside steam, on Linux for example, and I just registered the bundle redeem codes on steam as well
22:21:04 <zzo38> If you like it, then you can pay if you want, I suppose
22:21:16 <Vorpal> fizzie, I saw that spider thingy in a video, seemed like horror to me
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22:21:43 <Vorpal> hm cave story seems to have good reviews *hits install*
22:22:08 <Deewiant> Cave Story is excellent, but maybe harder than VVVVVV.
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22:22:10 <Vorpal> fizzie, if you don't own Chtulhu Saves the World you should btw. Saw it was on Android now too
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22:22:28 <Vorpal> Deewiant, it is the timing I have problems with
22:22:43 <Vorpal> I suck at any game that requires precise timing
22:22:53 <Vorpal> such as games with combo-based combat
22:23:11 <zzo38> Did you try any of my computergame?
22:23:27 <Vorpal> Deewiant, I can manage platforming just fine, as long as the timing doesn't have to be precise
22:23:36 <Vorpal> zzo38, no
22:24:09 <zzo38> Then try it. I will not charge you any money to try it
22:24:26 <Vorpal> and why should I try them? What is good about them?
22:24:58 <fizzie> Vorpal: Well, it's arguably a "horror game" in that it has an atmosphere similar to what I believe those have. And yeah, the spider, I think an arachnophobic person might have actual trouble with it. (Though it doesn't really last all *that* long; then it's more circular saws and the like.) Anyway, gameplay-wise it's a puzzle-platformer, I'd say.
22:25:14 <Vorpal> fizzie, I /am/ somewhat arachnophobic
22:25:22 <zzo38> Some people have said they like these games.
22:25:26 <fizzie> Then you probably wouldn't like the spider appearances.
22:25:30 <Vorpal> indeed
22:25:47 <Vorpal> fizzie, I can manage all right with the minecraft ones, because they look so different from real ones, and are fairly easy to kill
22:25:54 <Vorpal> they don't move like real ones
22:26:00 <Vorpal> that is the big difference I guess
22:27:00 <Vorpal> anyway speaking of awesome games, maybe I should play some more Avadon, I never got around to finishing that. It wasn't quite as good as the Avernum series (same company) IMO
22:27:14 <Vorpal> I guess Avernum has nostalgic value to me as well
22:27:22 <Vorpal> that of course helps a lot
22:27:24 <fizzie> "I bought this game with my friend who is an Arachniphobe and we had no idea that spiders were in this game. We bought it and started to play through. First spider scene, she's in tears and I'm really creeped out. What a great game!" (Youtube comment.)
22:27:35 <fizzie> (Oh, and I do have Cthulhu Saves the World.)
22:29:38 <zzo38> DOS game (QBASIC): http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/cgacoll.zip cgacoll1.zip cgacoll2.zip GIVEAWAY.ZIP MUTCHNAM.ZIP
22:29:42 <Vorpal> fizzie, right
22:29:47 <Vorpal> fizzie, what do you think of it?
22:29:57 <Vorpal> zzo38, too much work to get that working
22:30:21 <Vorpal> needs to be easy to compile or run on 64-bit linux or 64-bit windows.
22:30:21 <zzo38> Windows game: xnazzyball.zip meskilb.zip DiskCatch2.zip
22:30:35 <Vorpal> linux preferred atm
22:30:46 <Vorpal> since I moved away from my desktop
22:30:52 <Vorpal> not there any more
22:31:13 <zzo38> Source codes is available for all DOS game in QBASIC if you can get them to compile with a different compiler you may work them
22:31:17 <zzo38> Or, use a DOS emulator.
22:31:28 <Vorpal> zzo38, too much work to use a DOS emulator
22:31:28 <fizzie> Vorpal: It was nice, and nicely retro, though I for some reason I can't discern stopped partway through (probably got sidetracked), and haven't continued yet, so I've only seen part of it.
22:31:30 <Vorpal> I'm lazy
22:31:43 <zzo38> Try Windows game then, maybe that one works.
22:32:00 <Vorpal> zzo38, I'm in a different room, and I don't feel inclined to go back to my office atm.
22:32:06 <Vorpal> maybe later
22:32:12 <zzo38> I have no free (as in speech) compiler for Windows game but I have figured out the format somewhat
22:32:37 <Vorpal> zzo38, there is gcc for windows...
22:32:53 <Vorpal> also I have MSVC 2010 Ultimate on there
22:32:54 <Vorpal> so meh
22:33:15 <zzo38> These games are not written in C, but if I have any in C or Haskell then of course they will work for any system.
22:33:26 <zzo38> Actually, I also made some MegaZeux games, and those will work on Windows and Linux.
22:33:27 <Vorpal> zzo38, they won't work on android
22:33:40 <Vorpal> hey maybe I should switch to chrome OS ;)
22:33:53 <Vorpal> btw I haven't really seen Chrome OS used anywhere yet
22:33:56 <Vorpal> who uses it?
22:34:01 <zzo38> MegaZeux game: /mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ascmzxto.zip
22:34:06 <Vorpal> what is the target audience
22:34:17 <Vorpal> zzo38, just download, extract and run? On which platform?
22:34:23 <Vorpal> or does it need an engine installed?
22:34:26 <Vorpal> again too much work
22:34:39 <zzo38> For MegaZeux game, you need to install MegaZeux but you can simply unzip the MegaZeux into a directory.
22:34:55 <Vorpal> meh, I'm too lazy to mess with that atm
22:35:07 <zzo38> I have source and Windows binaries for my modification to MegaZeux, but that is also 32-bits. For Linux, including 64-bits, you can download the other MegaZeux
22:37:45 <zzo38> MegaZeux is Free software license under GNU GPL v2 or later version; the game file is public domain.
22:38:31 <Vorpal> heh, according to steamcalculator.com my steam account is worth $724.33 USD
22:38:55 <Vorpal> that is quite a bit
22:39:56 <Vorpal> and I have 67 games
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23:23:52 <zzo38> Vorpal: There is no target audience; it isn't for sale.
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23:29:12 <Phantom_Hoover> sadf
23:30:40 <Vorpal> zzo38, did I ask for that?
23:31:26 <zzo38> Maybe
23:32:01 <zzo38> Can a NES/Famicom replay data be stored in MIDI format?
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