< 1338510008 104115 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with porting is that you don't do any design < 1338510153 176654 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word design here is really terrible, but i mean it as, for instance, cat is a design < 1338510207 731449 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone can be asked to port cat < 1338510451 134522 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ang.wikipedia.org = Ænglisc :-s < 1338511548 574909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1338511549 544821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1338511551 823630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338512577 838254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338512669 932329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1338512671 238545 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338512695 731468 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dubious how many blizzard games have anglo-saxon wikipedia pages < 1338513150 69761 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. the one guy created 9 pages about blizzard, and also created the category < 1338513518 251996 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. ok he created the video games category too, so it's all very boring < 1338513911 7056 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338514217 37982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah! < 1338514485 911301 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me! < 1338514555 405895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah! < 1338515214 12743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what kind of food. dont have money. < 1338515219 849073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338515227 424088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1338515237 982063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338515264 418931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what food to buy < 1338515272 343180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap good food < 1338515280 511288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible < 1338515281 172810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fod < 1338515282 504170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :food < 1338515290 619486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338515293 689109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good criterion < 1338515298 511150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make list: < 1338515302 661457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-cheap < 1338515304 711166 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-good < 1338515306 893397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-edible < 1338515318 991521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick two! < 1338515330 184526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: halp < 1338515362 881402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands quintopia some delicious poison for free
< 1338515409 499941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :poison? i have decided that edible is more important than good < 1338515421 653349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1338516854 104276 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338518136 890562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338519595 43293 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread and milk < 1338519670 235449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338519772 735445 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are to drink the milk from a ceramic mug, and rip off pieces of the bread with your bare hands < 1338519795 470420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls when he used to browse the reddit frontpage and r/all, there were sometimes posts about how to get enough food with very little money
< 1338519825 366 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's critereon are pretty lousy < 1338519854 397303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: criteria < 1338519860 264450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the plural < 1338519863 803089 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338519887 188922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /r/frugal? < 1338519893 185398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a bit nutty, I think :P < 1338519905 153062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was about to link it :P < 1338519911 623581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus on optimizing sources of nutrients such as protein and carbohydrates, as well as vitamins and minerals < 1338519932 273565 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible and good is for the rich < 1338519942 53032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Frugal/comments/u13qa/we_rfrugal_week_1_frugal_food/ was linked in the sidebar < 1338520048 661943 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people value time over money, and others money over time" hmm thats one way of putting it, another way of putting it is that employed people have less time and more money, and vice versa < 1338520064 884745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there you can find http://www.reddit.com/r/budgetfood < 1338520082 707033 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some people on welfare have a good life and some people on welfare do not < 1338520136 855202 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, the reason for _that_ is that some people on welfare have parasites around them < 1338520147 933202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338520148 5331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: although i wasn't originally thinking so much about r/frugal as about "help i only have $NN for the next 3 weeks how can i survive?" < 1338520158 929680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(approximate title there) < 1338520234 722323 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, valuing time over money is more of a function of circumstances than an exercize in free will < 1338520327 658336 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i really mean is that, some poeple have more time than money, and others have more money than time < 1338520347 287251 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338520355 23462 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they "value" that which they have less of < 1338520602 851016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o'reilly have published a book on dwarf fortress < 1338520605 738203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? < 1338520610 345363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338520627 968512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1338520628 876651 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338520632 965728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022565.do < 1338520633 710114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1338520638 362552 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1338520640 2480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1338520640 916923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand < 1338520669 89733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'm going to have to buy it so i can point to the turning point in civilisation in the future when we all live in houses made out of cellophane and breathe glass and mate with antennae < 1338520689 415570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Phantom_Hoover http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022565.do ??????????????? < 1338520689 594164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338520976 383861 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-107.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338521171 137958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338521174 924642 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this while looking up that http://i37.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0530/c2/04e811128cee4d89747f9621a5756fc2.jpeg < 1338522074 517071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338522264 886882 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your name is now Robert J! Lake. As such, you are no longer my baby nephew. < 1338522272 384728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338522319 973586 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so. This language in which all computation is carried out via rounding errors. < 1338522368 961289 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a program should consists of a list of instructions that are looped through forever. The program will have access to an arbitrary but finite number of variables each capable of holding an arbitrary non-negative integer. < 1338522389 462014 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every variable is initialized to 1. < 1338522458 14280 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three instructions: "add Y to X", "multiply X by 2^(Y/3) and round", and "divide X by 2^(Y/3) and round". < 1338522470 326692 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the language. < 1338522565 11418 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be Turing-complete. I have no idea how one would go about proving it either way. < 1338522603 77295 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the name of a variable must consist entirely of numerals, and the first of these cannot be 0. < 1338522801 355146 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we'll make that "round down", to avoid ambiguity. < 1338522983 78304 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a program, I guess: http://pastie.org/4005760 < 1338523016 482724 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After n > 0 iterations, 1 has the value 1, 2 has the value 3, 3 has the value 2^n, and 4 has the value 2^(n+1) - 1. I think. < 1338523148 175842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the benefit of future generations: < 1338523148 637838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1338523149 845858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 >> 2 < 1338523150 11821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523152 109955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523154 163302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523156 157242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 << 2 < 1338523158 71000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 += 3 < 1338523160 64684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1338523814 26160 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't think multiplication by 2^(1/3) is actually a useful operation. < 1338523837 353260 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's do the same, except these are the operations: < 1338523858 813982 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"subtract Y from X", "calculate the number of groups of order X". < 1338525164 774474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-142.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525201 150418 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338525282 451289 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525409 243824 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-107.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338525689 90175 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525689 162605 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338525689 162751 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525734 262293 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338526801 800443 :Brian-M!79db73a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.115.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338526851 186047 :Brian-M!79db73a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.115.164 QUIT : < 1338527150 656807 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338527467 67086 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338528165 951615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1338528166 123681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 2d 1h 9m 16s ago: hi < 1338528166 483736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 10h 53m 45s ago: What does fair do? < 1338528366 275850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Read the document for MonadLogic for some information about >>- it is a fair junction or something like that; fair ["Hello", "World"] = "HWeolrllod"; fair ["Hello", "World", "12345"] = "HWe1lol2or3l4d5" < 1338528382 643774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is something like join but using a different order < 1338528784 299148 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338528807 517038 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338530948 697629 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN's tragic fate has been its wide acceptance. APL is a mistake. students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. < 1338530963 200712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338530969 693624 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP has assisted a number of our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible thoughts. < 1338531157 660367 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of COBOL cripples the mind < 1338531187 216387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338531216 858052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know Control.Concurrent.Spawn? < 1338531221 368759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338531238 915083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the way you're supposed to use "pool"? < 1338531257 665907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of do { runOne <- pool limit; parMapIO_ (runOne . foo) [1..n] }, but that still spawns n threads most of which do nothing at any point in time, which seems like it might not be strictly necessary. < 1338531267 501165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise kmc is in here right < 1338531278 728027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but he's not responding. < 1338531283 461573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the other channel, at least.) < 1338531284 192530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway that sounds correct to me < 1338531303 470225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But spawning a million threads is annoying when most of them are just waiting on the QSem. < 1338531308 225870 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :full PL/1, with its growth characteristics of a dangerous tumor, could turn out to be a fatal disease. < 1338531310 993607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular it means that my program is slow and takes 100% CPU < 1338531342 678929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does runOne do that? < 1338531438 387147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :parMapIO_ does < 1338531870 575179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[no comment] < 1338531879 322545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im slep < 1338531904 50485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I see. < 1338531905 708814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1338531930 163941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK? < 1338531938 91592 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch some z's? < 1338531947 753125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any ideas? < 1338531954 64271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338531957 655762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea of...? < 1338531969 951039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pool is supposed to be used. < 1338531975 840313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338532042 987952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338533028 484376 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338535128 305910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338538662 128940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338538750 28006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*hit < 1338538758 691945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :815) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes \ 829) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. < 1338538768 572115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*brick.wall < 1338538772 587345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :829) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1338539385 97674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i quoted you in another channel" < 1338539393 284217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no what happened < 1338539401 373910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hing < 1338539450 885569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have logs of what happened it's my quote I want to know!! < 1338539492 914076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:19 imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1338539496 908269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:19 I want something like that, except for sending SIGHUP instead of hitting < 1338539507 210075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my process is getting a SIGHUP and I don't know why. :-( < 1338539521 805726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338539528 877075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there was some ants today < 1338539541 780351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they .. apparently lost interest < 1338539583 333241 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i feel rejected or relieved < 1338539610 390555 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless THEY were the scouts < 1338539944 240416 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338540129 81659 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338541295 883717 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338541314 784643 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-142.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338543795 291926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for... < 1338543795 844482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338543810 136367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get Bastion from the HiB and the checksum's wrong. < 1338543858 840237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338544349 79426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it some sort of ridiculous size. < 1338544352 633855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many of them were. < 1338544355 58589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, gigabytes. < 1338544375 883978 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!? gigabytes? < 1338544411 388309 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got HD that has over 512MB 6 years ago < 1338544760 726750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Linux versions, Amnesia: The Dark Descent is "1.1 GB", Bastion "1019 MB", and Psychonauts "4.1 GB". < 1338544780 515135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMBO and that Sword & Sorcery thing are rather smaller. < 1338544867 316200 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338544946 115651 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1 < 1338544947 56249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338544951 96972 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1338545050 169456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a relief. < 1338545077 399944 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallelujah praise the lord < 1338545078 662695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 + 1 = 3 in 1 + 1 < 1338545079 745066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1338545084 659768 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 = 2 < 1338545085 822091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let 1 = 2' < 1338545103 635756 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.o < 1338545115 651160 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1338545118 177514 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke it < 1338545128 548421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you didn't give it a complete expression. < 1338545138 4539 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338545138 985396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 = 2 in 1 -- sadly, it is still just 1 < 1338545140 247826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1338545148 489407 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338545161 588362 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant express myself completely if i cant set 1 to 2 < 1338545378 186984 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl + [1..10] < 1338545379 190886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a' < 1338545379 408680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : again... < 1338545393 298384 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2+2 lights! < 1338545411 326863 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :let 2+2=5 in 2+2 < 1338545420 51855 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+2 < 1338545421 172781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1338545429 479936 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. lambdabot is wrong < 1338545440 534894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 4 lights < 1338545442 812193 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a robot < 1338545444 815937 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cant be wrong < 1338545450 169574 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your human < 1338545452 12383 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your wrong < 1338545491 131062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1338545499 823683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+3 < 1338545500 839237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:4-8: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1338545512 792586 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338545532 850857 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree lambdabot < 1338545541 663603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 1+3 < 1338545541 735944 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus is wrong < 1338545542 619472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:4-8: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1338545555 872032 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' < 1338545556 964225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1338545562 788463 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' + 1 < 1338545563 722270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char) < 1338545563 889267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `1... < 1338545584 915740 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 4 < 1338545586 34670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1338545605 354905 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ ord 'a' + 1 < 1338545606 399754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545628 122103 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 5-1 < 1338545629 275164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1338545659 172622 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (chr . (+1) . ord) 'a' < 1338545661 67456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545667 903299 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind me. i don't know haskell and i'm extremely bored < 1338545682 53037 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338545682 947011 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats oke < 1338545684 440609 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1338545687 973915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1338545703 789905 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338545706 727589 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr.(+1).ord) "Same here" < 1338545706 800064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 'a' < 1338545708 24550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1338545709 171860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Tbnf!ifsf" < 1338545722 932431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a confusion. < 1338545725 346736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 'a' < 1338545726 567715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545731 825684 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice < 1338545740 373909 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :map succ "Same here" < 1338545745 249484 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map succ "Same here" < 1338545746 166276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Tbnf!ifsf" < 1338545748 795106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for any Enum. < 1338545753 200644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t succ < 1338545753 516129 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ 'a' < 1338545754 234875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Enum a) => a -> a < 1338545754 673609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum (GHC.Types.Char -> GHC.Types.Char)) < 1338545754 673871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisi... < 1338545778 253083 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ succ 'a' < 1338545779 167575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum (GHC.Types.Char -> GHC.Types.Char)) < 1338545779 277188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisi... < 1338545788 80264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ . succ . succ $ 'a' -- keep on sucking. < 1338545789 931676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd' < 1338545801 717949 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338545810 50262 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate succ 'a' !! 10 < 1338545811 162038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545821 345934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So efficient. < 1338545839 857872 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let twice f = f . f in twice succ 'a' < 1338545841 790774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'c' < 1338545846 399648 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..] !! 10 < 1338545847 294756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545872 147237 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'k' < 1338545873 178609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545910 131155 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> k < 1338545911 28674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : k < 1338545920 996556 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n = f . f . f .. n in power succ 10 'a' < 1338545921 907710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `..' < 1338545924 713157 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do this? < 1338545925 350496 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>'k' < 1338545996 725242 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1338545997 807614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1338546014 425414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ (maxBound :: Char) -- TO OUTER LIMITS ... AND BEYOND < 1338546015 589916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.Enum.Char.succ: bad argument < 1338546017 204338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1338546025 738482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Haskell Curry < 1338546026 863903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Haskell'Not in scope: data constructor `Cur... < 1338546027 278197 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338546039 548690 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i am awesome < 1338546040 833281 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . (+1) . ord $ '\x10ffff' < 1338546041 39135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `am'Not in scope: `awesome' < 1338546043 323591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.chr: bad argument: 1114112 < 1338546115 659608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: \x110000 is the name of the $deity. < 1338546150 179634 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\x110000' < 1338546151 16240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1338546151 192376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1338546171 283898 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) < 1338546172 416739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (... < 1338546198 476223 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) in power succ 10 () 'a' < 1338546199 557665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `f a' against inferred type `()' < 1338546210 258580 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) in power succ 10 succ 'a' < 1338546212 244345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338546215 50621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unsafeCoerce 0x110000 :: Char < 1338546215 935653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce' < 1338546225 328773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\1114112' < 1338546295 138557 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (ord 'A' + ) . ord) "Albert" < 1338546296 944955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\130\173\163\166\179\181" < 1338546324 381243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Haskell is just not good enough to express it. < 1338546352 513942 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (1+) [1..] < 1338546353 547051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,2... < 1338546373 866980 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lambdabot is a clever fella < 1338546393 108010 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is that < 1338546396 762670 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1338546399 835252 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just kidding < 1338546406 533405 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS NOT FUNNY < 1338546447 291343 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let "hes just kidding" = "ok" in "hes just kidding" < 1338546448 389574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hes just kidding" < 1338546492 294052 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i = 5 < 1338546493 281334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1338546503 345106 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i = 5 < 1338546504 414781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let i = 5' < 1338546511 787347 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> global i = 5 < 1338546512 811440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1338546514 876027 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1338546585 637458 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "I" > "You" < 1338546586 550667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1338546589 760067 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.o < 1338546591 780662 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1338546635 875706 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Albert" `max` "lambdabot" < 1338546636 764230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lambdabot" < 1338546642 405843 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hey < 1338546666 507816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen hey < 1338546666 686773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a great day for France! < 1338546666 935287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proud bot. < 1338546708 960745 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a lambdabot, I would take her to the park. < 1338546721 38647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of your fellow bot? < 1338546721 908963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dd does binary doesn't it? :) fnord je? :) taken me all night to watch this show!" < 1338546735 63797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1338546828 791140 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PART :#esoteric < 1338548914 54052 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549629 441296 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549637 294404 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549645 775726 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :_niels: hey! < 1338549649 335294 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+ 1 < 1338549650 512646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338549682 953074 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :_niels: try it out < 1338549733 246723 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "trebla olleh" < 1338549734 477211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello albert" < 1338549739 868971 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338549775 381244 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ . reverse) "slein olleh" < 1338549775 821054 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338549776 640931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum [GHC.Types.Char]) < 1338549776 858040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1338549779 100086 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549846 543615 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1+1=2 in 1+1 < 1338549847 955607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338549881 627856 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1+1=3 in 1+1 < 1338549882 942088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1338549895 584952 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PART :#esoteric < 1338549920 397039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549977 914503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You've been talked to. < 1338549982 404063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338549983 183492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah! < 1338549987 379024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messags? < 1338549987 621396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338549994 651418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That typo works!? < 1338549998 186655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26 Taneb: Read the document for MonadLogic for some information about >>- it is a fair junction or something like that; fair ["Hello", "World"] = "HWeolrllod"; fair ["Hello", "World", "12345"] = "HWe1lol2or3l4d5" < 1338550001 578290 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338550003 995463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26 So it is something like join but using a different order < 1338550021 590890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular sort of talked to, not via the bot. < 1338550039 497691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO of talked to < 1338550096 761630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also regular < 1338550662 896608 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338550723 773535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, past zzo38! < 1338550734 189569 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338551051 389680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The once and future zzo38. (I don't recall what that references.) < 1338551070 210541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthurian mythology < 1338551077 958408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :King Arthur, the once and future king < 1338551079 144263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1338551095 616601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so too, though I believe via something else. < 1338551329 98955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338551980 53339 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338552014 367351 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-44-171.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338552299 702363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a short story by someone, I think < 1338552473 533957 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338552922 248516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: TANEB AWAY! < 1338553128 748323 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-44-171.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338553749 764078 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338553808 956968 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338555253 945240 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338555257 357248 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555851 72119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555969 37811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555970 392161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338555981 649228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338555988 702037 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338556045 248506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1338556045 421955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338556642 110646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338557729 790514 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338557746 366328 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338558469 704783 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338560624 953870 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338560625 64366 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338560625 64536 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338560809 362607 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338561024 652561 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338561927 85732 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-37-188-173-52.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338561937 16715 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-37-188-173-52.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338564076 898046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338564674 128887 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338566294 363460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338566295 552432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338566523 316243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott And now you have 8. < 1338566523 497269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338566558 501111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338566559 163046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338566561 604989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong!!!! < 1338566775 127869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338567484 365789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338568195 82294 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338568315 99600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338568996 381881 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338571071 253203 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338571181 725856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338572975 390352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575312 219449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338575320 418604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised I am unable to program in C < 1338575384 332845 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338575401 331336 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575409 294604 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575409 368007 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338575409 368173 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575414 139033 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575602 640997 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338575919 9157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you see this as a problem? < 1338575934 671777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it as a mild annoyance < 1338575957 142759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I'm not going to win the IOCCC any time soon < 1338576035 90848 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 reason to program in C, obviously. < 1338576041 578319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely < 1338576343 515021 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of hate VXJunkies, because it traps people who think it's real < 1338576366 851232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1338576382 556801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies < 1338576386 814959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not help < 1338576430 150124 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/comments/rt7pa/new_to_vx_help/ < 1338576446 289437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in: Sgeo__ "hates jokes; they're misleading" < 1338576472 422958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is just < 1338576474 421900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake science? < 1338576482 679632 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more hate not actually explaining the joke to people who don't get it and think it's real < 1338576500 122280 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fake ... some sort of principle machines < 1338576519 977353 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FAQ http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/comments/ewihz/ < 1338576617 88629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time for an "am I crazy or not" question: reducing the number of bugs Splint finds in my code by finding false positives and patching Splint to detect them correctly < 1338576620 118225 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent two messages to people in that subreddit who may have thought it was real < 1338576659 207897 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would these be general use patches or would their general use result in false negatives? < 1338576682 516744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meant to be general use, although (obviously) might be buggy < 1338576704 718629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly, I managed to get two false positives in the same line < 1338576724 954511 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. got staticaly linked sash to work. < 1338576796 514127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* at file scope */ typedef /*@dependent@*/ int* dependentint_p; static dependent_int global_array_of_dependent_ints[10]; /*@dependent@*/ int *foo(void) {return global_array_of_dependent_ints[5];} < 1338576826 621056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bugs were a) it was checking to see if the global was owned, rather than owned /or/ dependent; b) it was checking the annotation on the array itself, rather than the array's elements < 1338576849 45659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I have replaced a bunch of for loops with do-while loops because Splint is a little braindead with respect to loops < 1338576878 700177 :Wallabee!~IceChat9@99-63-46-159.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338576909 562292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?welcome Wallabee < 1338576912 654925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?welcome: not found < 1338576920 2747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Wallabee < 1338576923 569880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wallabee: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338576956 61157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dreadnaught is now beating everything but counterpoke? ouch < 1338576962 266114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I made counterpoke just in time < 1338577135 614390 :Wallabee!~IceChat9@99-63-46-159.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1338577810 686838 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Wallabee is probably Gregor < 1338577830 394035 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1338577852 564451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely accuses itidus20 of being Gregor
< 1338577868 771007 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Gregor is a wallabee < 1338577874 702365 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm Lawlabee. < 1338577877 984096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wallaby. < 1338577884 463090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My species is still spelled properly. < 1338578293 816830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember mrwright Some people, when faced with a problem, say "I know, I'll use transfinite induction over the ordinals!" Now they have a class-sized collection of problems. < 1338578293 935182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is forever etched in my memory. < 1338578369 18942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338578680 4829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338579716 240126 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learnt that parameter optimization is VERY slow... < 1338579761 969437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: CRAZY SUGGESTION: !bf_joust_test < 1338579829 605267 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an offline compiled version of EgoJoust to run the tests, although it would be nice to have a server function to do the same. < 1338579947 323934 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... even after half an hour my optimizer still hasn't found a better configuration. < 1338580014 894818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you've reached the optimum < 1338580050 134270 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, the version up right now is barely optimized at all. < 1338580080 467375 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... more waiting! < 1338580193 370297 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338580482 219680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, egojoust is quite slow, isn't it? < 1338580506 494269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego doesn't use egojoust < 1338580511 721752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and egojoust is very buggy < 1338580513 661621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you using it < 1338580521 116919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/chainlance < 1338580549 471949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainlance is an entirely viable option < 1338580573 193533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it's what egobot actually uses :P < 1338580650 826852 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone mind if I rambled inanely for a while? < 1338580757 754811 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/2ae75e0f/save.php?hash=32765885219c22e699c610e7ac7d6d28 < 1338580761 37590 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 0.0 < 1338580771 129112 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1338580804 195272 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A part of your soul ties you to the next world, or maybe to the last. This world is just illusion, trying to change you. < 1338580850 380827 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/d65f4df7/save.php?hash=f803e31d09c9d25051a6cff3bc4ea235 < 1338580853 641071 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 66.8 < 1338580888 711806 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my optimizer is making it worse. < 1338580919 899788 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/89f64fa2/save.php?hash=2f8298684e97f172e414d2a18789d7af < 1338580924 306472 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.9 < 1338580934 80538 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/anick MSleep < 1338580937 126829 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doof < 1338580944 330469 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 NICK :MDude < 1338580959 888946 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the "next world"? Presumably it's where you go when you die, or something like that. Does everyone go to the same "next world", or are there different ones for different people? < 1338580996 842291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338581037 665359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not every goes to the next world, but you certainly cant get there if you die < 1338581054 180195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to beat world 1 to get to world 2 < 1338581071 174192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might can skip some worlds if you find a warp room < 1338581081 62710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you die its game over < 1338581093 283572 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1338581128 164624 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all of the worlds just illusion, or only some of them? < 1338581140 706960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you start with free lives, though, and get another live every hundred coins or when you eat a special mushroom < 1338581154 644667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three < 1338581156 777418 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338581262 539655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're not reallydead until all lives are gone. just set back a bit. the karma cycle ofrebirth goes on. < 1338582232 338674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, hmm < 1338582258 334583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the whole UEFI thing is causing a row again < 1338582296 113927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because although on x86 (and not ARM) the bootloaders are meant to be open to new user-specified keys, you have to muck around in the BIOS to enable them < 1338582308 22103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Microsoft offered to sign Fedora's bootloader with Microsoft's key < 1338582313 650564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a huge row about whether Fedora are selling out or not < 1338582322 573677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338582369 848658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinons here? it's a pretty interesting mess < 1338582382 120857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to think the openness of the PC platform is a historical accident which will not be repated < 1338582395 339177 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, now I'm depressed < 1338582437 724861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338582446 904742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338582454 189558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on the UEFI thing? < 1338582477 900625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1338582513 493868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so Microsoft offered to sign Fedora's bootloader with Microsoft's key < 1338582569 64397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not using pronouns because nobody would parse it correctly if I did) < 1338582600 322231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I read the blog post thing < 1338582605 798367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really "offer" < 1338582611 548763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell it < 1338582614 171121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1338582632 924577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Fedora had to pay $99 (once), but to Verisign not Microsoft < 1338582646 912899 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-94.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338582659 898254 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338582660 59598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338582777 336365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I actually think it's Microsoft genuinely trying to help < 1338582818 525220 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338582831 810497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we can take comfort in the fact that computer security is terrible < 1338582843 391285 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so even in the future when it's necessary to root your own laptop, it will be possible to do so < 1338582885 596080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this "secure boot" thing is pretty silly; are they really going to remove every feature and bug in the Linux kernel which allows root to execute code as ring0? < 1338583011 19594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it's just pretty damned shitty. < 1338583104 229261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't improve security notably, it just makes things fairly inconvenient. < 1338583138 784108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if an attacker is at the point where they could mess with the bootloader, they already own your box.) < 1338583166 282157 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the point... < 1338583178 81806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you want the bootloader to be cryptographically signed, in theory < 1338583193 11665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they own the box *even without touching the bootloader*. < 1338583199 859449 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed against a private key which is stored in a TPM chip or such < 1338583204 928877 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: how so < 1338583209 565048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc is suspect. < 1338583219 919946 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have an encrypted disk < 1338583222 411273 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care about this stuff < 1338583241 425985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true, then you're good if it's someone with physical access to your box. < 1338583245 440150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these discussions always devolve into "well, they *COULD* break out an ion deposition cannon and screw with the transistors on your CPU" < 1338583255 901420 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELKS is pretty awesome. It also shows how much bloat new apps have. I got a out of memory error when trying to start vi because I tried to start it under ash that was running on top of sash instead of directly from sash < 1338583256 572915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing the point that security is about relative threat and countermeasure costs < 1338583259 584577 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are no absolutes < 1338583273 707255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a remote attacker, yeah, your OS install is utterly suspect, even without the ability to mess with the bootloader. < 1338583280 162703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: nobody cares that vim uses 2 megs of ram instead of 1 < 1338583282 683892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back to 1985 < 1338583321 718021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'Scuse me, I'm offended that zlib has crc32 in 100k instead of 100 bytes. < 1338583336 649739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes all this "bloated" software, so horrible that we're optimizing for the very expensive human time instead of very cheap computer resources < 1338583357 554756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that to get 100k crc32 you have to pessimize human time as well as computer resources) < 1338583369 490586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1338583373 449794 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I meant vi. Vim wouldn't even start (64kB limit for .text) < 1338583385 902442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that sounds like actually shit code < 1338583399 411636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the usual whining about "bloat" is about fine code which omg doesn't use every cycle to maximum efficiency!!! < 1338583411 885893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. When I talk about "bloated code" I mostly refer to stuff that is *actually a large quantity of code*. < 1338583426 633112 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 99% of the time the metric that matters is how much code there is for humans to deal with. < 1338583436 474610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well that's not what nortti_ was talking about < 1338583449 763768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he'd probably have better luck with smaller human code size. < 1338583494 747907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338583496 335257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Which vi are you using? < 1338583535 127060 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you meant on ELKS? I am not completely sure < 1338583554 289170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that ELKS is anything but a curiosity at this point) < 1338583563 255838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I just submitted the story to Slashdot, mostly because I'm really interested in the resulting comments < 1338583564 231 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on slitaz I use busybox vi < 1338583566 797430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean programming with restricted resources is a fun challenge < 1338583571 747486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is sometimes required for embedded systems < 1338583604 24439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we're in a weird land where some embedded systems beat out 10 year old workstations. < 1338583635 252334 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that UEFI secure boit story? < 1338583641 496329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I'm not sure you can call "ARM in everything" "embedded" anymore. < 1338583641 826653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: yes < 1338583674 182621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a 50% success rate for Slashdot submissions before this one < 1338583675 641609 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's dumb when programmers get all smug and serious about a desktop app using 1 MB of RAM, which is $0.005 of RAM at current prices < 1338583678 905855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if it gets accepted or rejected < 1338583686 751994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I've made this point enough times < 1338583694 290971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_ seems oblivious or maybe I'm just misunderstanding their motivations < 1338583708 78988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean this http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/190217/red-hat-will-pay-microsoft-to-get-past-uefi-restrictions story? < 1338583728 706901 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah. Also the feeling when you realize that the speed of the phone your friend whines about is actually faster than your computer's < 1338583736 691664 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 1MiB of RAM? Heck, I might use that as a buffer. < 1338583772 593063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, okay, only if that's actually sane.) < 1338583797 696050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I looked for it, pity the search is still bad < 1338583806 447862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least it /still/ has a 50% chance of being accepted :) < 1338583813 42302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used this thing called Google. < 1338583814 256577 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to limit my programs to 64kB code+64kB stack&heap < 1338583831 661069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: You're a bit nuts. < 1338583855 888688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1338583879 178867 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes I am < 1338583914 602766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: More-so given that *even considering 8086's limitations* that sucker has no business being restricted to a single real mode segment per code, stack, heap. < 1338583948 83188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the addressing gets really ridiculous, but eh. < 1338584009 461321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own prediction is that someone will find a way to jailbreak the UEFI protection pretty quickly < 1338584018 341892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps using bugs in Microsoft's bootloader < 1338584053 390780 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want my code to run on all of my *nix systems including MINIX 1. Now I'll just hope I don't install lunix on my c64 < 1338584116 109315 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it is more of a limitation in bcc < 1338584126 702372 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+under ELKS < 1338584133 995647 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1338584234 261842 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338584273 673089 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1338584381 625057 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK um < 1338584419 467939 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is the point in a screen lock that includes a screensaver that is literally a transparent window moving around the screen < 1338584448 577618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it doesn't stop people looking at your screen, but it does stop them giving commands to it < 1338584521 6393 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... would quite like it if they can't look at my screen, and I'm especially unhappy that it's not made clear that it can randomly decide to stop doing that. < 1338584680 696246 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338584702 799076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought it was an option, rather than something that happens randomly < 1338584776 305678 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338584777 170185 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338585165 49790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure, you cannot turn off those things? < 1338585179 980312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it include some screensaver, can you add/remove some? < 1338585247 729214 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338585350 827826 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338585953 254596 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-94.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338586379 577494 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338586445 963598 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586580 364592 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586582 26073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338586588 40358 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338586625 325083 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586724 413262 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338586727 405826 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338587156 974952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: help < 1338587854 543164 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338587912 13441 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338588421 47806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338588444 679086 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338588444 843595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 10 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338588452 188736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1338588494 178686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1338588496 593918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died a few times < 1338588523 606056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you permadie < 1338588525 766066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338588528 320881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ogak is playing right now < 1338588535 268335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's had "quality elliptic help" < 1338588540 432864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only died like 8 times so far anyway < 1338588547 357965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also did orc on another one < 1338588547 999657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1338588551 917482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to do lair on another one but it's almost dead < 1338588557 481400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave more info in lambdabot and henzell messages :P < 1338588582 592552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also you will be pleased to know: < 1338588585 878443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ogak has 5 gscs or so < 1338588591 964207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ready for a tukima's party" < 1338588619 936158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338588710 533855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you watching < 1338588715 885896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s DISCOBRADECAPELLO on cao < 1338588757 717792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338588767 197894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have any suggestions < 1338588774 854689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i followed syraine's ogak guide it went "great" < 1338588790 11581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the guide is < 1338588798 731368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :train m&f and fighting, focus m&f, m&f until 12, fighting until 8, then fighting -> invocations < 1338588799 474333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1338588801 832340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died repeatedly < 1338588806 909602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i stopped following it because it's terrible < 1338588808 870969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just trained invo instead < 1338588810 608655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syraine was really sad < 1338588841 124600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: additionally, help < 1338588876 419727 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :team CHAOSTALK spreadsheet. fewn. syraine. mission 1. Comments: F_)ck FeWn < 1338588907 379273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338588912 127823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched it < 1338588912 722850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1338588914 196145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1338588946 968488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw i was going to disto the gsc < 1338588948 914241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tukima's :( < 1338588974 655258 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the only problem with tukimas ogak < 1338589004 108200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could disto it and just unwield once tukimas. worst case we get glowed to hell < 1338589004 724009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apart from having to train to 27 hexes, apparently < 1338589012 503662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the worst part < 1338589014 466157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you forgotten: abyss < 1338589028 729064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw i fell down a shaft from like D:7 to D:11 < 1338589029 995399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "gr8" < 1338589035 742803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lugonu, elliott < 1338589040 82758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338589045 877970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lugonu is so great!!! < 1338589047 449801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite god < 1338589444 495743 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338589519 174058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338589804 809182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the pan lords names were created in lowercase < 1338589812 869863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ha" -judge of username competition < 1338591873 963223 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338591874 460187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338592042 796019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how is the vpar going < 1338592243 969641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw feel free to put rc stuff on the ogak < 1338592249 267268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it doesn't end up looking like squarelos < 1338593235 777018 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-242.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593261 971096 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks for letting me know about gearlance. It's working much better. < 1338593269 234490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338593269 401695 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1338593269 497930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /< < 1338593277 722646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the wiki still talk about egojoust? < 1338593281 438655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably be updated. < 1338593293 574992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do gamma correction by integer arithmetic? < 1338593304 994072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of the lances or juiced are reasonable for running tests < 1338593312 927992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use juiced because I wrote it and it has some nifty features for testing) < 1338593336 772393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll still finish lance some day < 1338593344 237142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593393 904365 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: The current configuration of dreadnought is nearly optimal, even though I barely optimized it. < 1338593423 854947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to gamma/contrast/brightness table by integer arithmetic? < 1338593473 685248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: can't think of any way to beat counterpoke without losing a huge amount of ground to everything else? < 1338593502 17164 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Indeed. < 1338593510 466105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I've come to the conclusion that the main difference between counterpoke and things like ffspg is that it sets the decoys much nearer the square it pokes < 1338593537 617346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the opponent has to be leaving evidence of their motion for it to work well < 1338593548 188933 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593565 926229 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have a test version that doesn't leave a trail. < 1338593580 214295 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It beats counterpoke, but only makes 3rd place. < 1338593597 389254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized I do have C documentation in my computer, in Cygwin, so I will use that < 1338593611 417908 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterpoke still does well, even without a trail, though. < 1338593612 710731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not leaving a trail leaves you vulnerable to regular rushes, unless you set large decoys < 1338593618 30367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't answer the gamma/contrast/brightness question, though) < 1338593624 572036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, the second half is optimized against trail-free programs < 1338593633 596030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it wouldn't even be reached for trailing programs < 1338593782 695204 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's strange that counterpoke is so low on the list. < 1338593791 779942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338593794 170053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-189.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593837 268577 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593866 85909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1338593880 830663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right next to insidious, which is a much more hopeless strategy < 1338593886 655649 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1338593944 737568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beaten out by ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys ;) < 1338594142 775457 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338594146 288401 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.2 < 1338594178 997894 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gained .3 points, still losing to counterpoke. < 1338594192 173532 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338594247 167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so do you still think bf joust is broken? < 1338594482 756301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not as healthy as it could be < 1338594602 631162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not dead it's just resting < 1338594806 378223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, counterpoke falls off the tape against anticipation < 1338594817 801526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like counter-shudder isn't so useless after all :) < 1338595422 455715 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 37% done and I'm not even optimizing the decoy setup < 1338595440 868510 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the maximum number of decoys < 1338595480 176377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/ejTG < 1338595483 867988 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 0.0 < 1338595488 927020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, size limit again… < 1338595514 332647 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the full anticipation? < 1338595524 452708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I added in the cases needed to beat dreadnaught < 1338595533 281779 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1338595534 578082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete some of the five-cycle offset clear cases that aren't used in practice < 1338595567 389013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel justified in this sort of constant-tweaking because it's working around hill limitations rather than program limitations < 1338595577 914970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/PBLP < 1338595582 217145 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 35.9 < 1338595605 190253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust vs david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338595606 672615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -30 < 1338595608 151521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust wins. < 1338595629 982978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can generate the full anticipation easily enough but the hill won't accept it < 1338595661 218369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, it manages to get dreadnaught to run off the tape (!) < 1338595670 664785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on sieve polarity < 1338595674 447549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on kettle it locks it in place instead) < 1338595716 922420 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's because of the way I put in the anti-triplock in the attack scheme. < 1338595728 800347 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to do that properly... < 1338595801 851865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, [+[+]][+[+]]> is the sort of pattern you want if you want to be 100% immune to both triplocks and vibrations < 1338595824 336081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it won't beat anticipation, incidentally) < 1338595875 139264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a triplock requires three ] in a row, and there aren't there < 1338595893 856152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a vibration relies on you not checking for two cycles in a row, and that does < 1338595940 407404 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think I understand that now. < 1338595944 273012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: >,ml/.3f.A? < 1338595993 685137 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to quickly plug that into dreadnought and see the results. < 1338596058 751156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a [+] replacement < 1338596075 609348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted a different sort of clear loop, you'd replace each of the +s with everything you wanted inside the loop < 1338596115 414436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_vibration_and_triplock (>)*8(>[+[+]][+[+]])*21 < 1338596118 506626 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_vibration_and_triplock: 20.8 < 1338596120 849492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders if it beats anything else
< 1338596138 661680 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/8ff271d4/save.php?hash=bb8ae3da6cffef9d87d8764331b10e7c < 1338596142 188269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, all of olsner's programs, for one < 1338596142 270711 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.4 < 1338596153 147736 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338596156 539368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.0 < 1338596161 188537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, waterfall2 < 1338596179 662744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counterpoke, hahaha < 1338596219 879261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other results are expected (it beats programs that require the opponent to use decoys, and the things it's tuned to beat) < 1338596236 466727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now, you're beating everything but anticipation and counterpoke < 1338596243 968904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually really really like anticipation < 1338596265 988329 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really good idea, just a little big. < 1338596267 257651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity it doesn't compress well < 1338596279 635564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very simple program really, just all the cases have to be written out by hand and there are thousands < 1338596400 701920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338596408 390074 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the hill allowed something like bzip2 compression < 1338596421 685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't run a program while it's bzipped :) < 1338596449 38507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server side unpack? < 1338596479 106137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue's space used in memory while the program is running, rather than bandwidth < 1338596491 75571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the waterfalls beat dreadnought on one polarity < 1338596508 12314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's misdetecting on the other polarity, and the fallbacks don't work < 1338596547 64675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreadnaught seems far from unbeatable, the more I look at it < 1338596568 505941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, heh, on very long tapes there are draws, I'm guessing due to time out < 1338596669 119667 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought shouldn't be too hard to beat, it'll just take some time. < 1338596717 551550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke seems to beat it comprehensively, but I'm thinking more of tweaking existing strategies to beat it < 1338596735 748872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches waterfall2 beat dreadnought on a long tape on kettle polarity
< 1338596745 357867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I'll watch it lose on sieve, to see why < 1338596919 577178 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like waterfall2 waits for dreanought even when dreadnought has passed onto the next space < 1338596956 226970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has fallbacks against that sort of thing < 1338596960 217995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably won't work < 1338596968 721828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it falls back to triplocking in emergencies, and you have counter-triplock code < 1338597027 748422 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the reason why dreadnought continues past is also due to the counter-triplock code < 1338597205 329036 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it seems that dreadnought moves onto the [-] part of the clear routine on normal polarity and so it move on after 2 cycles instead of 3 < 1338597223 603577 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moves* < 1338597253 533724 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So really dreadnought wins by accident. < 1338597313 231376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite common against waterfall, it's really complex /and/ really fragile < 1338597365 276421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting it to the top of the hill required lots of constant-tweaking just to avoid coincidences where enemy programs got knocked onto a different part of their clear algo < 1338597396 364852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if an inline clear can be modified to take constant time? < 1338597422 713787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awesome if it could < 1338597448 779854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems awkward, it has beautifully hard to time constructs like [>] in < 1338597636 967276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the duration depends on the distance it has to move and the amount it has to clear < 1338597656 646696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an inefficient clear where we only change the value by 1 at a time until it's zeroed makes one of the values constant < 1338597723 781287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess we could use a counter or something for the tape length, copying it back and forth between a cell and the next one < 1338598042 232401 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598117 764193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doable, but may end up too long /and/ too slow < 1338598201 344535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be too long < 1338598352 852618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598355 945023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 23.2 < 1338598374 344884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338598444 750742 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me an idea... < 1338598483 974280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I've found the perfect clear loop for counterpoke :) < 1338598511 638047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this will suck against defence < 1338598618 295899 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598666 608620 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/e0870cd3/save.php?hash=d8e637c825b5fda9f9a5256ab546e67d < 1338598670 60242 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 66.2 < 1338598698 455954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338598701 797644 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 69.8 < 1338598742 336913 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered why that was a bad idea. < 1338598777 103924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be getting worse < 1338598779 963784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>[>>>>(+)*128[+]]>>>[<<<(+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598783 7508 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 27.9 < 1338598791 661605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats dreadnaught :) < 1338598814 310546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats quite a lot of things, actually < 1338598817 503639 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.8 is a good score though eh < 1338598840 179515 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, even with it's new losses. < 1338598860 765045 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls up.. oh wow 71 < 1338598878 695301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to the realisation that /even if/ you have a really really large offset on your offset turtle, it's still going to go faster than a standard clear < 1338598928 726332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 was before countermeasures, so a little unrealistic. < 1338598938 940011 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong i couldn't write a bfjouster for the life of me, but i know that 71.2 has got to be a serious score < 1338598944 672931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :countermeasures = everyone coming up with creative new ways to beat your program? < 1338598949 676858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well, I consider 30 to be a nice solid score < 1338598955 698709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338598960 490975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 70, you have to have a serious attempt at beating /every/ other program < 1338599035 899286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/TLKR < 1338599039 206833 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599041 867544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338599066 304182 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: The average on the hill is around 28 or so. < 1338599075 721204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax error, probably < 1338599082 417030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not about twinking < 1338599093 841829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed an open paren somewhere, I think < 1338599111 75781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/eQgF < 1338599114 345790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599116 829260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1338599127 578666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unmatchd ]" < 1338599131 200342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"unmatched ]" < 1338599159 956068 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of unmatched loops and perenthesis, looking at egojsout. < 1338599178 247251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/IdEN < 1338599181 415892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 11.4 < 1338599186 907116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not as high as I'd hoped < 1338599201 169762 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338599206 585945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it loses to juggernaught < 1338599287 60339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the clear loop in omega_counterpoke is just impractically slow for the situations it ends up in < 1338599304 166564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke's strength in skipping decoys, the strength of a careless clear is that it doesn't care about decoys < 1338599334 812671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both omega_turtle and counterpoke are better than omega_counterpoke < 1338599338 232403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting experiment, anyway < 1338599534 354813 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 http://tinypaste.com/592fbfd1/save.php?hash=7e4c4922ec72a14c90a7e6312b821d59 < 1338599537 564295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 26.5 < 1338599582 458103 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 < < 1338599585 523962 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 0.0 < 1338599607 213280 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that increasing the range of the offset clear doesn't help much either. < 1338599871 915554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect it to < 1338599879 436934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3's enough to get past trivial trails and the like < 1338599892 886014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else, it's probably not going to be worth doing anything other than brute-forcing it < 1338600068 532666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's quite likely to be a flag < 1338600137 111597 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338600230 169389 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600250 999507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the optimizer just found a better config for dreadnought, but I can't extract it in mid-run. < 1338600353 292060 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600463 107488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<([{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600466 85254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 9.4 < 1338600478 847945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty experimental, I didn't expect it to work well < 1338600482 760062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to see how it fails < 1338600588 709320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, that was really really stupid < 1338600629 721898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600632 791542 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 12.2 < 1338600854 505732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600857 553087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600867 466784 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1338600867 763023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600870 904681 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.0 < 1338600880 510700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600883 527899 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.2 < 1338600890 605688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I guessed right first time :) < 1338600914 256581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>[((>>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600917 247057 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600925 876400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600929 93507 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600939 514501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600942 699746 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600976 663488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust vs ais523_triplock3.bfjoust XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -2 ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust wins. < 1338600978 325080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1338601083 444228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, obviously, they're just both waiting for each other < 1338601164 324318 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem with programming defense, it doesn't work so well again other defense programs. < 1338601183 500379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is, I'm sure, ruefully aware of that. < 1338601214 29953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really rueful, it's pretty easy to change to a counter-defence rush after a few tens of thousands of cycles < 1338601257 708176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /ouch/, there's an obvious bug in skyscraper < 1338601346 247898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601349 320371 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601458 952798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another, which is less easily fixable < 1338601623 481519 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 89% done... it'll probabbly only be another tenth of a point anyways. < 1338601678 760121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*20[]<(+++++[[[[[[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[-- < 1338601679 147556 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought was surprisingly close to what the current optimizer found, despite being unoptimized < 1338601679 461909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338601680 157419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%45 < 1338601686 471715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that didn't fit all one line :) < 1338601731 627891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper http://sprunge.us/VjDE < 1338601732 805857 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered what would happen with long lines on irc... < 1338601735 304469 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 14.8 < 1338601740 350461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and it was worse anyway < 1338601745 258116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601748 220258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601832 651106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601835 753322 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 17.2 < 1338601876 436392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601879 433295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.9 < 1338601887 597386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimenting with different sorts of clear loop < 1338601893 918759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a large offset clear might work well with that algo < 1338601911 186019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601914 236618 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 20.9 < 1338601921 888588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601924 992656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338601931 445578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601934 510304 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 19.2 < 1338601942 984244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601945 906051 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.6 < 1338601954 476865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601957 631881 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 22.1 < 1338601965 927651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's stick with this version < 1338602037 423245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could plausibly call it attack9 < 1338602041 492949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's defend9 but a rush program < 1338602072 794931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus can be defeated by all the usual sorts of things that beat defend9 < 1338602183 323120 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that a major loss area is around where Deewiant and Gregor's programs are. < 1338602241 834876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have me for converting to jiyva < 1338602242 901967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1338602291 281847 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry the character is actually ok now that ive gotten used to it < 1338602477 184779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338602484 932564 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338602621 34455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256])%768 < 1338602624 318650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.1 < 1338602626 966380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle fix < 1338602661 344931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there's a very easy way to beat skyscraper, which is something that some players do out of habit and some don't < 1338602697 947023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and now insidious, skyscraper and counterpoke are all next to each other on the leaderboard < 1338602744 571056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, dreadnaught has started losing to slowpoke, if I read the leaderboard correctly; I'm not sure why < 1338602764 462111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you figured out skyscraper's strategy yet, btw? < 1338602884 212709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can see, it detects the polarity of the enemy and builds several large decoys that are more difficult for that polarity. < 1338602895 352467 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure that's correct. < 1338602978 178790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's it < 1338602993 61520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's setting the decoys to whatever polarity the enemy has trouble clearing < 1338602998 424889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively making there twice as many < 1338603001 782473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you for using the correct polarity names btw < 1338603047 451694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an interesting definition of "correct" :) < 1338603236 804759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining skyscraper with counterpoke could be interesting < 1338603245 34923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if I have the mental energy to write that right now < 1338603258 714960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only on long tapes, skyscraper sacrifices short ones < 1338603405 851935 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization complete! < 1338603409 919665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603412 964687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 23.8 < 1338603430 793492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338603440 827533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that /looked/ like a straight improvement, as well < 1338603486 852996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I completely messed up the c/p < 1338603520 207915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603523 465977 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603529 481502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better :) < 1338603587 385491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's mostly Gregor it isn't beating < 1338603606 464256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and huh, that clear loop is written in a nonsensical manner < 1338603669 790858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603672 851713 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603679 951283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, even though it's equivalent < 1338603702 598039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is timer clear, I guess, as it's struggling against defence < 1338603714 73505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1338603723 779315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603726 912422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338603733 110778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler :) < 1338603747 310037 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And better scoring too! < 1338603796 202689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, a much simpler fix than timer clear < 1338603803 632327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's getting triplocked… < 1338603807 201212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks whre
< 1338603808 685526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1338604000 471776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1338604066 801595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%256])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604069 726784 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 30.5 < 1338604079 670818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what did that screw up? < 1338604084 450919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604087 663566 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604143 679101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604146 795218 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 29.1 < 1338604160 436931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604163 507679 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604176 566951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604179 489194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604197 647459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604200 695162 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 24.6 < 1338604251 234168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])}])%2560])}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604254 398879 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604265 909026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604269 109670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604309 453565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604312 588194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.6 < 1338604345 852051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338604381 6696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1338604404 739751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now skyscraper's doing better than slowrush < 1338604408 789250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program isn't meant to do this well help < 1338604418 371058 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/dbb9314c/save.php?hash=62e33e11c2a65678f411f084883c46a4 < 1338604422 416729 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 67.4 < 1338604439 928484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dreadnought and skyscraper /draw/ < 1338604484 404272 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, I didn't even have skyscraper in the optimization set < 1338604555 646332 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not feeling well, what is all this mess < 1338604556 185731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338604564 239967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: we're jousting < 1338604578 749023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat came up with dreadnought which /almost/ beat everything < 1338604583 22164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338604583 107482 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1338604583 278054 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1338604587 857642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I came up with a range of new programs to beat it < 1338604591 684890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi\o/ < 1338604593 849549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi \o/ < 1338604594 15082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1338604594 87576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            >\ < 1338604649 427317 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm optimizing only against skyscraper < 1338604666 828178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unwise < 1338604678 901 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun < 1338604708 798104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf, that was a pretty amazing reason for skyscraper losing on sieve < 1338604710 436869 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean what all is new? ;) < 1338604738 399319 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got done coding for like 4 days @ 16 hours so my brain doesn't want to read these < 1338604758 201861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{.(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604761 477946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 31.5 < 1338604764 123604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw a bunch of symbols and was like o, people be playing around eh? < 1338604770 926755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops < 1338604808 530539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily fixable, apparently :) < 1338604830 960614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go slowrush hang in there!!! < 1338604831 972707 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604849 734878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%100}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%156])%768 < 1338604852 898551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 34.8 < 1338604856 747206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better :) < 1338604892 142225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it work a bit better against dreadnought and space_elevator < 1338604896 593794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a nicely generic fix, I hope < 1338604915 847682 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you guys are just throwing the symbols in a random number generator anymore < 1338604918 285326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604921 519141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get around to fixingspace elevator < 1338604935 463153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was space_elevator ever #1? I can't remember < 1338604937 59705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1338604944 752960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you be fixing it for? modern strategy? < 1338604959 732444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a great decoy build butit clears too slow to win < 1338604971 712058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :somainnly fixing the rush part < 1338604988 267799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the simple clear loops are the best < 1338604995 921846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338605006 401248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll be glad to hear that skyscraper is probably the best moderately good program that sacrifices short tape lengths < 1338605018 65213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was your strategy, IIRC < 1338605023 546542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, first moderately good < 1338605035 702648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338605042 563310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was indeed < 1338605045 319482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it? < 1338605052 374880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sacrifice them just to get a head start, though; it sacrifices them to give more space to build decoys < 1338605055 364581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule of12? < 1338605061 674988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a rule of 12 in there < 1338605072 705916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it detects a short tape, it switches to omega_turtle < 1338605084 550682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only sacrificing short tapes it can't detect, which is typically 3 or 4 lengths < 1338605107 954155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is omega turtle < 1338605108 712386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule of 12 is because if it hasn't lost already, the tape is probably quite long < 1338605115 754765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a turtle with a very large offset < 1338605153 354537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new program but it is almost certainly too long < 1338605213 35922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if pastebinned? < 1338605223 638473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to add something to bfj language to make complex strategies smaller and clearer < 1338605239 752208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably obsoleteall currentstrategies < 1338605296 153781 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it doesn't change instruction size? < 1338605306 220764 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of macro compiler could be useful < 1338605318 220761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure what kind of directives you would quantify these with though < 1338605325 103068 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are patterns so i'm sure it's possible < 1338605404 321340 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros would be very useful. < 1338605444 780052 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the macros had submultipliers, it would be even better. < 1338605491 753333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: problem is the macros have to be expanded server-side < 1338605496 527031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work when you have very complex constructions < 1338605510 72645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with the existing repetition facilities is that they can be interpreted efficiently, without expansion < 1338605518 521795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egojoust expands them, which is why it's so slow) < 1338605529 245104 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memory consuming < 1338605692 223907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rages at sucralose_philip
< 1338605697 923467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other programs based on it < 1338605729 51454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing strategy after four decoys makes all my strategy detection kind-of useless < 1338605849 863031 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, what's triplock3 doing that near to the bottom? < 1338605867 767559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: triplock3 is a simplified but less accurate triplock2 < 1338605872 924131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be doing somewhat worse than triplock2 < 1338605881 9583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everyone knows about triplocks nowadays < 1338605891 435322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think anyone else actually /uses/ them < 1338605921 467226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I'd forgotten that waterfall3 actually /deleted its own decoys/ in order to stop sucralose_philip changing strategy :) < 1338605982 369283 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting way to beat it < 1338606006 60685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338606013 571926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete your decoys, change your flag, and it falls off the end :) < 1338606036 299792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that affect its performance against other programs though? < 1338606050 489413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot, it only did it if it detected a turtle/philip < 1338606073 691083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 is pretty much made of special cases < 1338606075 912400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, i just read the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3 < 1338606076 580199 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338606090 910458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /quite/ think it's the case that every program sent it down a different codepath < 1338606094 873319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it must have been quite close ;) < 1338606110 954525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I only wrote a couple of lines about slowpoke < 1338606117 679026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because waterfall3 really is that much more complex than slowpoke is < 1338606135 912490 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that it took so long for the ideas wrt: timing detection to show profit < 1338606155 35178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nice to see :) < 1338606163 980981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i never thought programs that complex would succeed < 1338606183 64972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game has stayed interesting longer than i figured on < 1338606184 189433 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338606195 50966 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's way too annoying to actually participate in now haha < 1338606204 181806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, you still have programs on the hill < 1338606210 507014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just try some simple programs and see what sticks < 1338606211 571245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ < 1338606224 788424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_first_program_ever [>[-]+] < 1338606224 903953 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's not as interesting ;) < 1338606225 54721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3� – URL, please. :-) < 1338606228 3619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_the_first_program_ever: 9.3 < 1338606231 161306 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606238 422171 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the wiyki < 1338606241 613623 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed the page < 1338606246 226488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks < 1338606247 960807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 and scroll down a bit < 1338606257 869156 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankes. < 1338606258 199141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop when you reach the wall of text < 1338606261 989315 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. < 1338606269 911125 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of updating the language < 1338606277 853297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first program ever doesn't do to well nowadays < 1338606279 580293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be one thing that was enabled by the better interpreter < 1338606281 413528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1338606288 466426 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat common < 1338606296 712133 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically setting up nested loops to operate as conditionals < 1338606305 448202 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a waste of memory and they never get processed < 1338606307 599683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338606309 205158 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just get used as ifs < 1338606323 534509 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it would be fair to add something like an if-not-zero < 1338606337 178281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since theoretically you can accomplish the same by nesting a bunch of loops to ridiculous length < 1338606337 795566 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1338606340 480826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I strongly considered an alternative BF Joust where doing that was banned in order to make defence more interesting < 1338606342 831147 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make programs simpler to read etc. < 1338606353 804053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly oppose the idea of adding an if construct < 1338606364 734136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underlying language is still pure BF in bf joust now and it should stay that way IMO < 1338606374 30624 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i just pointed out < 1338606380 198534 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply a convenience < 1338606385 789212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like the % and * loops < 1338606391 241045 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't alter the language any < 1338606398 826350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a lot heavier a layer than a simple repetition system < 1338606407 784254 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to make possible "larger" programs < 1338606418 395293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.. it basically IS a simple repetition system < 1338606423 320809 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start a loop that i don't expect to end" < 1338606434 102877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "a ifnonzero(b) c" is a[bc]c but unfortunately, that doesn't abbreviate to anything, not even using % < 1338606436 56887 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am only gonna write the first character, you can just assume the last one is there" < 1338606458 87971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's quite common for b never to return, in which case if and while are equivalent < 1338606475 217941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about the failure case < 1338606476 23671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606505 188913 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, it would be nice to make things more readable < 1338606530 37563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that at least one program of mine, I was going to do that but it didn't fit into size limits, so I had to be more BFy < 1338606544 302168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note: if you had arbitrary control structures, you'd never use the tape for computation ever < 1338606555 707964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, generally you don't /anyway/, but waterfall3 does) < 1338606558 27787 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size limits are merely practical, not theoretical ;p < 1338606577 688483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the tape for computation is awkward because the opponent has a tendency of scribbling on it < 1338606583 568504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can safely do it /behind/ the opponent < 1338606626 302131 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1338606630 494410 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize this is rather off the wall < 1338606636 71886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) number lines < 1338606643 950652 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) provide a mechanism for "if not zero, goto" < 1338606646 500233 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) only goto forwards < 1338606674 119985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we making a new game in the spirit of bfjoust < 1338606674 801514 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338606677 979322 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1338606686 816854 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just talking about notation differences that might make it rather easier to read < 1338606695 61468 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea here is that things of the form < 1338606695 309470 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a joust with a new language < 1338606705 611597 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has yet to become self aware < 1338606740 89323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i should just write explanations before i offer ideas < 1338606740 793704 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338606760 391570 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a][b][c] isn't what i was trying to address < 1338606769 399272 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess actually < 1338606779 803977 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a[b[c]]] can also be covered by that case < 1338606789 117323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the need is for a time penalty of the appropriate amount of cycles < 1338606812 989538 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is calculable < 1338606819 610027 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure this would really clean anything up much < 1338606819 682623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time penalty" would be fatal to programming < 1338606825 226385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes you vulnerable to triplocking < 1338606827 443263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'time penalty' i mean ]]]] < 1338606835 835401 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't get processed as if it was ] < 1338606863 489738 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what am i even talking about, we don't indend to end/loop with this < 1338606869 400780 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sick, i will just be quiet ;) < 1338606911 720312 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no relevance to bfjoust. but i can see that the nice thing about the bfjoust page on the esolang wiki is it's the sort of thing that could show up as a paperback at a flea market. < 1338606937 466217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338606998 564831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the sort of text someone could just pick up and read .. with an introductory chapter explaining what brainfuck is and what bfjoust is < 1338607005 964087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: btw, you should link to a specific version of the file < 1338607008 592303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the other links do < 1338607012 666849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the strategies page < 1338607017 173892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it falls of the hill or gets changed < 1338607024 806596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it gets changed, then you can update the link when you update the description, ofc) < 1338607027 523014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1338607032 820536 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regret fucking with slowrush < 1338607036 311463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607060 236549 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after wix stopped fucking with wiggle3 < 1338607062 130710 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The file link is to the most recent version, do you mean the animation version? < 1338607063 8144 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year later i was like < 1338607065 59298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA I GET THE LAST WORD < 1338607069 890081 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tweaked the constants < 1338607074 401414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: not latest, that's the point < 1338607077 629499 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't really help so i put em back < 1338607079 414421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/80f20eeecd87/ais523_slowpoke.bfjoust < 1338607079 940574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1338607080 475529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338607086 457236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter breaks when it falls off the hill < 1338607088 441582 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's not technically an uninterrupted run since... god i have no idea when < 1338607094 536550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former doesn't (it points to a specific version and will never change) < 1338607115 338829 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I'll change that. < 1338607191 300219 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I don't think dreadnought is going to be knocked off anytime soon. < 1338607206 391239 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might well be changed though ;p < 1338607217 687586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>([(+)*24[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*23[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*22[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*21[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*20[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*19[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*18[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*17[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*16[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*15[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*14[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*13[-{[+++[+++]]}>]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256)*-1 < 1338607220 701919 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 15.8 < 1338607229 949919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there you go, the strategy which I believe beats all defence strategies < 1338607243 444461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not do very well < 1338607251 777647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really the point < 1338607254 786525 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607264 663467 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes an interesting counterexample? < 1338607268 766091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't tuned to beat attack strategies /at all/ < 1338607274 132103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, it's meant to trivialise the game < 1338607281 260918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338607286 20077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the problem is there's too many attack programs on the hill < 1338607288 242694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1338607293 646331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not try it with one of your warriors? < 1338607300 405567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it loses to the waterfalls < 1338607303 270988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks why
< 1338607392 510178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, typo < 1338607427 500722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe not < 1338607577 399328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338607583 576310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338607586 804359 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 13.9 < 1338607593 633188 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338607669 761862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats anticipation, defend9.75, triplock2/3, waterfall2/3 < 1338607674 451943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :various other assorted programs too < 1338607691 737809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/doesn't/ beat vibration, because it needs a separate countervibrate and I didn't bother to add one, but doing that is simple enough < 1338607728 10684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the base program for that is the standard (>)*8(>[-])*21, btw, it just has a much more complex clear loop) < 1338607747 968167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a two-cycle offset clear, except against defence) < 1338607769 38879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defence is detected via a 100% reliable mechanism < 1338607800 103255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the opponent /must/ be changing their flag value during the clear in order for it to be detected) < 1338607819 990464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the different numbers on the offset clear are to beat anticipation < 1338607869 362019 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what anticipation does < 1338607879 535653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it anticipates? ;p < 1338607893 622287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets its flag to nonzero the cycle /after/ the opponent zeroes it < 1338607898 256337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by measuring the opponent's timings < 1338607905 149170 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338607912 85396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this puts it into its anti-vibration loop (because it would, wouldn't it?) < 1338607922 323604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it uses a counter-anti-vibration lock < 1338607940 4605 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an anti-counter-vibrating-furry-leather-strapon lock-and-chain < 1338607952 200562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like what Gregor would come up with :) < 1338608025 336682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to add this to skyscraper, but come to think of it, there's no real need < 1338608030 327562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyscraper detects defence well enough as it is < 1338608084 287931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608087 395482 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 21.0 < 1338608091 944052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put some decoys in there, give it a chance < 1338608103 182487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*4(>-----)*4(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608106 388173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 23.5 < 1338608172 339380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608175 248742 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608178 628154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338608201 786549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#8, just below space_elevator < 1338608205 309589 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's looking impressive < 1338608248 14917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 999 instead of -1, out of curiosity? < 1338608258 401050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has to be a finite number higher than 256 < 1338608269 949851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why finite? < 1338608273 574046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted to avoid multiples of 256 due to weird coincidences < 1338608279 942326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the time at which it breaks out of the original clear loop < 1338608283 696002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moves onto the counterdefend loop < 1338608292 302684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :([+++[+++]] in this example) < 1338608318 857533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608331 759623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 999 a bit big, because of the cycle limi? < 1338608333 797374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*limit < 1338608348 739588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get anywhere near the cycle limit, which is 10000 < 1338608352 252386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe it will < 1338608356 435973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not seeing timeout draws < 1338608362 8864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's 100000, not 10000 < 1338608364 567264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, nowhere near < 1338608373 839332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338608430 644449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608433 658877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608440 756404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that'd be equivalent, and it's shorter < 1338608543 468397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an uncreative name :p < 1338608574 689339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/dcIN < 1338608578 44103 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.7 < 1338608581 267262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338608582 783742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608585 883564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608592 401594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drops /that far/ if I add a simple antishudder? < 1338608623 487690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1338608631 433711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338608634 534124 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.1 < 1338608634 870173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo, again < 1338608673 253318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that antishudder from waterfall3; it's a bit long, but it's tried and tested < 1338608707 892488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338608708 470033 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338608715 880300 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, 2.7 points away from 5th place. < 1338608744 11581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it loses to counterpoke < 1338608761 784869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should try using that as the clear loop in an existing good program or something < 1338608783 895109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it < 1338608795 356154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my recent existing good programs would benefit from it < 1338608809 994139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick someone else's! < 1338608811 875001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps counterpoke < 1338608820 177257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game hasn't had enough modification and blending of other people's programs for ages < 1338608827 476380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the amazing score here doesn't seem to be due to the clear loop < 1338608840 322234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you said it was a drop-in to another program < 1338608843 985413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I suggested that < 1338608845 924311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a simple fast rush program which doesn't have to worry about defence < 1338608892 415653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*19[-])*21 < 1338608895 538906 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 38.1 < 1338608900 697441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I mean? < 1338608919 116666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop < < 1338608921 645350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608922 176351 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 0.0 < 1338608926 986837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misinterpreted me though < 1338608932 878780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not mean s/dtd's clear loop/someone else's/ < 1338608942 890345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1338608959 476755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else's program =~ s/clear loop/dtd's clear loop/ < 1338608960 642128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21 but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338608965 838205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338609006 429821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's also important that the 999 is not even approximately divisible by 256 < 1338609014 217945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can create a modified anticipation to beat it < 1338609034 340547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…999 is sort-of divisble by 256, isn't it < 1338609035 133849 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you just want something relatively prime with a large step < 1338609044 646540 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like corewars bomb steps < 1338609067 68876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/UgLO < 1338609068 476499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pick the number least divisible by 256 < 1338609070 356588 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 32.6 < 1338609076 14020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do wrong there? < 1338609084 49661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338609085 208467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill effects < 1338609087 414440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 40.4 < 1338609091 297479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338609094 803754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that large of hill effects < 1338609103 310838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that was scoring 41 earlier, hill effects have pushed it down to 40 < 1338609145 548712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be winning just by out-decoying everyone else < 1338609180 805798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind-of vulnerable to pokes, though < 1338609222 24302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that'll just mean more points for counterpoke :D < 1338609306 426136 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going for the triforce of bfjoust < 1338609318 984901 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'll form the head! < 1338609337 783259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we need yr scoring system btw < 1338609354 911968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does it really beat every defence strategy? < 1338609363 763673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338609367 75969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know of, at least < 1338609370 212566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338609371 758913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338609381 669456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything that relies on locks that only work against one type of clear loop, it beats < 1338609432 889000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does it do it < 1338609505 409855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/XUOQ < 1338609508 625122 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.4 < 1338609512 255267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying out something that skips zeros < 1338609513 722734 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1338609513 795018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1338609543 499754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it beats it by changing strategy after a clear has failed for too long < 1338609624 153532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338609627 605955 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338609631 713703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaks for very long tapes < 1338609668 522697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[..+++++------] is very distinctive looking :) < 1338609686 27941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like LASERS PEW PEW < 1338609687 172976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: it's an anti-shudder < 1338609695 410076 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, death_to_defense is looking very nice < 1338609698 261982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.. i invented them! ;p < 1338609700 540352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :52.1? yow < 1338609704 704221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1338609707 460799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not up into the 70s < 1338609714 242805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically a good old-fashioned slow rush program < 1338609727 754854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a 2pass decoy setup (the first 2/3 of 3pass) < 1338609738 471423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: less than .5 before you're at #4 < 1338609741 611038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :score, I mean < 1338609759 887277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though be careful of over-fitting...) < 1338609775 591416 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Gregor take back 3rd place...? < 1338609798 455475 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably shifting scores? < 1338609803 139655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: probably as a result of hill effects caused by new programs < 1338609813 667581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the good poke programs beat death_to_defence < 1338609822 504010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to put some sort of antipoking in, I guess < 1338610053 876894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/AdUJ < 1338610057 123642 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 51.0 < 1338610057 289055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll probably drop the score < 1338610063 751925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by much, it seems < 1338610081 51308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610084 323375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't give it any new wins, anyway < 1338610084 489339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610087 641113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really worth doing < 1338610157 866710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/cMiQ < 1338610161 89020 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 45.8 < 1338610164 490676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338610166 211445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610168 869212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worth a try < 1338610169 521177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610230 991728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtd and counterpoke have most (all?) of the programs covered between them < 1338610370 182320 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys, ais523_undermine, atehwa_test_blah and david_werecat_juggernaut beat both of them < 1338610378 952895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1338610397 331618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…how does undermine beat death_to_defence? I'll have to check < 1338610434 316600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is surprisingly hard to beat with a good program, you need at least four decoys to be competitive nowadays :) < 1338610488 710403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems undermine simply does it with tripwire avoidance < 1338610601 467894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/gZUM < 1338610602 681325 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.8 < 1338610604 878650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.8 < 1338610613 249257 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338610623 418333 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wat?!' < 1338610626 354041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it got worse < 1338610652 86194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying something experimental < 1338610668 196319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NiFH < 1338610671 322777 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 47.8 < 1338610722 323766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/WSZF < 1338610725 727505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.2 < 1338610742 719621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll stop that < 1338610748 34248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610751 540843 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610771 991386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was adding in some tripwire avoidance, but it didn't help against enough and hurt against lots more) < 1338610820 790475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend7 http://sprunge.us/BTjd < 1338610823 963935 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend7: 11.8 < 1338610827 5421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how it works nowadays < 1338610829 542278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: not very well < 1338610864 180382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend5 http://sprunge.us/DVdY < 1338610867 398779 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend5: 10.5 < 1338610875 873446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when your name wasn't autoprefixed < 1338610893 653692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad day to be a defence program < 1338610895 192045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1338610936 280684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripstridewire (>)*9[(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*7[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*5[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*3[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*1[[+]]]>[[+]]>[[+]] < 1338610939 504035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_tripstridewire: 20.4 < 1338610939 587043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying some old programs again < 1338610943 564334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if they even touch the hill < 1338610945 133727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one did < 1338610995 153976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't remember < 1338610995 515503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338611000 162884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338611001 281760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just added programs without any name prefix < 1338611005 101464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy1 >>>>>>>>>(-[+[+[---]]]>)*21 < 1338611007 153818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we started prefixing our names manually < 1338611008 207653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_speedy1: 20.1 < 1338611008 456094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid conflicts < 1338611009 606516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1338611010 978365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that before or after the hill was upside-down? < 1338611018 250967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much before < 1338611021 753486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first few days or week or so < 1338611040 49062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems we're not facing hill effects really; the programs have just got /that/ much better < 1338611213 108961 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be possible to get an archive of all the old programs from the repository? < 1338611331 555437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill is kept in hg < 1338611335 623011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338611336 257378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338611341 756681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/ < 1338611366 653383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/shortlog/9a683e7e8d50 the beginning < 1338611394 627263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/rev/45eec5187d79 people named them like this < 1338611405 12446 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for the link < 1338611409 173745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you might have started the "nick_program" thing < 1338611415 187573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: np < 1338611449 278933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_vff_experimental >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(--++)*2500[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1338611452 311635 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_ais523_vff_experimental: 21.1 < 1338611455 177844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338611591 423667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust < 1338611591 506283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -42 < 1338611591 578822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust wins. < 1338611592 919247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no fair < 1338611625 517330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vibration_fool_fast :) < 1338611640 594871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's a defence program, what did you /expect/ to happen? < 1338611660 408541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds flexible timer clear to the wiki
< 1338611712 440534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in future, the main use of defensive elements will be for things like skyscraper < 1338611728 951927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which feel like a defence program, but doesn't use any sort of lock (although it /does/ use a tripwire) < 1338611904 690238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, BF Joust lives another day? < 1338611916 138909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: david_werecat_juggernaut.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjous t<><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< 2elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust wins. < 1338611922 306207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hopelessly broken, just shallower than I'd like < 1338611925 427543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, death_to_defence is probably notable enough for a description even if it hasn't gotten to #1 < 1338611938 722669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put its main strategy on the wiki in the strategies section < 1338611944 737731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell G. that BF Joust is still being innovated on today :) < 1338611949 800161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one that doesn't really matter < 1338611952 457350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can if you like < 1338611957 202634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your code block is broken < 1338611978 381817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's intentional, if you mean the line of non-codeblock in it < 1338611989 475399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't code < 1338612006 678621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly < 1338612192 363590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a wiki, if there's a formatting you'd prefer that isn't misleading you can fix it < 1338612231 399934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im laze < 1338612340 209001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that no defense programs are simple (the very nature of a defensive strategy makes this so)" < 1338612341 554343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote this < 1338612343 907890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of stupid < 1338612361 412616 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1338612368 664504 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't mean the strategy is simple < 1338612368 912687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1338612371 512252 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the implementation < 1338612375 41599 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is certainly true < 1338612377 310785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all the defence concepts are as simple as attack concepts < 1338612388 803259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that you need complex implementations to be effective in practice -- but the same applies to attack too < 1338612388 907633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't say the strategy is simple < 1338612391 916879 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said the *programs* are < 1338612398 624806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's the parenthical that's wrong then < 1338612402 688377 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338612408 887351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but plenty of defence programs are simple, they're just bad too; same as attack) < 1338612416 860293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of a defensive *strategy* makes defense *programs* complex < 1338612422 144259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1338612442 787593 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone would count shudder-class programs as "defensive" even though that's technically true < 1338612453 866381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would < 1338612455 596016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible to write effective attack programs much more simply than equally effective defense programs < 1338612457 819183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, so does the article < 1338612462 734047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338612464 186890 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1338612474 420397 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying, i took the meaning of the sentence and it makes sense to me :) < 1338612494 292984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still disagree :P < 1338612503 284567 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to! < 1338612661 247931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: leave vff_experimental on the leaderboard, btw < 1338612671 646823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to < 1338612679 641710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beating dreadnought is just too hilarious < 1338612753 556959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only by the smallest of margins that doesn't involve a draw < 1338612935 973912 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that anti-triplock is still causing suicides off the tape... < 1338613139 281617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working around triplocks can be awkward if you haven't had practice < 1338613236 351924 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, especially since I have 13 brackets in a row < 1338613272 632173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried double bracketing the main clear loop, but it hurts the score. < 1338613304 861527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lazy way, which is just to, just after the place in your code where a cell is cleared, put a > then copy your entire attack loop there < 1338613416 42787 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I tried. I'm still working out a better way to do that. < 1338613532 489557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338613532 855791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613559 439007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sing < 1338613559 548105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613563 234292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1338613589 409640 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338613589 642293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613599 609617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ring < 1338613599 722678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613601 531648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1338613604 420617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338613604 602230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613611 811377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hang < 1338613612 224370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613616 91012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338613624 418491 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elng < 1338613624 667997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613625 33386 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@null < 1338613625 772014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell url < 1338613627 664003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ellg < 1338613627 736240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@iong < 1338613627 878425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list < 1338613627 981302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613631 603603 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lolg < 1338613632 76440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613632 510664 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338613642 155536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pynge < 1338613642 323447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613678 114946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bling < 1338613678 557061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613691 270889 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@strin < 1338613691 519709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613692 538705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@string < 1338613692 787279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613702 540208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@boing < 1338613702 760722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: join ping < 1338613728 459750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613728 997712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613730 22071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join ping < 1338613730 946536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ping' < 1338613734 379040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338613746 86130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list-all < 1338613746 266508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1338613747 55960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fliszt < 1338613747 167388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613761 750978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@f.liszt < 1338613762 148493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 280269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@telemarketer < 1338613763 461397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 891173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613764 365719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613765 13169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@papaya < 1338613765 180329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 549383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cadmium < 1338613767 802440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 964942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, got it < 1338613771 448685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613771 953985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613779 795324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@li‌st" < 1338613780 871635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1338613781 18260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1338613787 677068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613787 842511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613797 882557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems lambdabot ignores stray BOMs, but not stray zwnjs < 1338613799 71954 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613799 172744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613815 885966 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/af8efaef/save.php?hash=56c3bf21ce6661a6bc28e93a41a73e7c < 1338613819 662354 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.1 < 1338613829 355050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613829 685616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613836 8621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust HI ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613836 660714 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, better anti-triplock for +3 < 1338613838 678076 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_HI: 10.7 < 1338613891 328966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: draw with skyscraper? < 1338613892 728938 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lol (-)*127 < 1338613895 794512 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for myndzi_lol: 11.0 < 1338613913 885964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi < 1338613914 475536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613920 315657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi myndzi < 1338613922 850403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_myndzi: 7.9 < 1338613930 529725 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seems that way < 1338613949 361409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the losses are counterpoke, omega_turtle, and waterfall3 < 1338613966 41839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidious wasn't likely to stay beating it for long < 1338614012 111374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: lol presumably works better than a nop only against turtles? < 1338614025 575945 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might update juggernaut with this code too... < 1338614031 535456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno :) < 1338614055 670078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be some reason why flag at 1 beats flag at 128 < 1338614065 391729 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1338614076 329173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that ignores or decoys the first nonzero < 1338614083 188972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just overwrites it without noticing maybe < 1338614092 110604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or isn't specifically designed to attack 128 < 1338614099 131579 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a little luck ;) < 1338614131 742258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be zeroing the cell in order to distinguish 1 from 128 < 1338614151 170510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid winning at that point, it'd have to unzero it again the next cycle < 1338614181 367523 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1338614188 954914 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's plenty of-- around < 1338614189 323251 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614195 896283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just curious what would happen < 1338614215 377902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid_vibration >(+-)*-1 < 1338614220 499815 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_stupid_vibration: 6.5 < 1338614228 84575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than a NOP :) < 1338614256 643600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338614283 854805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, challenge: write a program that beats exactly one other program on exactly one length and polarity (and loses to every other program on every length/polarity) < 1338614325 300184 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how about < 1338614343 28921 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, well nah < 1338614348 463577 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna make two programs ;) < 1338614352 108119 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then it's kinda hard < 1338614356 347671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.< vs < lol < 1338614378 675339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one length is easy, but with polarity, not so easy < 1338614408 278245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614409 26734 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338614414 802640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614417 917708 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614448 774749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's actually /beating/ some programs < 1338614454 677831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](<)*1000 < 1338614457 731886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614465 283857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1338614474 19987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614477 267564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614509 152569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>--[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614512 184492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614526 104318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good score < 1338614532 136218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1338614539 154468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats counterpoke on length 12 kettle < 1338614549 839478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no other single-case wins anywhere < 1338614562 838916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :P < 1338614565 736968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't too hard to construct… < 1338614575 505884 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kettle'? < 1338614579 473784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty interesting given that it can't even flag-clear on length 12 kettle < 1338614582 689813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: non-reversed polarity < 1338614585 888388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed is sieve < 1338614588 211499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's names < 1338614590 207140 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok < 1338614607 548089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really reversed! < 1338614613 303273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both as normal as each other < 1338614623 718866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the opposite of what you wrote though < 1338614624 587941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need neutral names, like sieve, and kettle < 1338614628 934871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, kettle is reversed, I think < 1338614637 951062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's "sieve and kettle", "normal and reversed" < 1338614642 266571 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally just call em positive and negative < 1338614642 584957 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614648 461454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative = opposite of < 1338614651 290175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: that's really confusing < 1338614654 769242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works both ways round < 1338614659 93539 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you never took grade 1 math < 1338614671 428414 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1338614674 375994 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean *combinations*? < 1338614678 536699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338614682 287083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps re math < 1338614685 666471 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ v +, - v + < 1338614686 105358 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1338614688 552486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hours.*subtract < 1338614691 624288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698) Dinner? At two? It's four here already. See, UTC+2. You need to add a couple of hours. Or was that subtract? I can never get those straight. < 1338614699 594619 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what grade they taught the negative sign in < 1338614706 292576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was early < 1338614706 705909 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614710 782016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=2f375a1d0bc6000e54ea3e14763f90dd87b5888c&r=ee72388f6d3cd927ddb7762853c3b4275c920ec1&t=12 < 1338614715 961558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (-)*128 is completely irrelevant < 1338614726 38074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it affects the behaviour of some program, which is unlikely < 1338614742 619431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice fleeing < 1338617321 133052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338617983 293084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which calendar and year numbering do you like? * BC/AD * BCE/CE * Discordian * Stardate * Holocene * Tropical year * UNIX * Pax * International Fixed * Astronomical year numbering * Mayan long count * Chinese * ISO week date * < 1338617994 907129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unununium < 1338618165 394472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618349 862594 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1061/ < 1338618352 870205 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd do it. < 1338618409 62423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no way you don't know what I < 1338618412 555561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about < 1338618415 890671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618452 243022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once promised that I'd modify an open-source script that was competing with my product, I never got around to it < 1338618456 619380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that soon < 1338618468 50953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person thought that I was reselling the open-source script, but I wasn't < 1338618536 618459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=discussions&ItemID=374979 click cancel < 1338618843 984357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338619055 232423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338620574 409173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of Earth Standard Time is too strange < 1338620723 584304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is funny < 1338621010 62373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338621053 867763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mathematics a lifeform? < 1338621056 624492 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's < 1338621099 368369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621174 950693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess nintendo games are more on my level than esolangs.. but i am studying how it actually works.. < 1338621260 377794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621268 921595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621723 268081 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338621735 598454 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1338625172 152809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625191 463517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338625516 279474 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625569 264936 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#madrid < 1338625591 270638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome UN_MANITAS_MADRI < 1338625592 444044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338625594 653260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN_MANITAS_MADRI: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338625643 295273 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338625648 111386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625664 207744 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625930 361431 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1338628462 43200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338629023 379098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looked for a secret base in a dream" http://oi46.tinypic.com/16leoo3.jpg < 1338629166 373311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Home of boiled cat" < 1338629269 123485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat that, fungot < 1338629269 823757 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i thought nne? fnord?) altitude info and whatnot... i gave up < 1338629284 389930 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win, fungot < 1338629285 8008 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i also seem to forget it. the reason member confused me is that i need < 1338629392 681012 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /clear < 1338629488 378196 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah.. i like that < 1338629495 777023 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like advertising a restaurant < 1338629515 54672 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the home of fried chicken < 1338629543 577446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main branch of a big chain of boiled cat restaurants < 1338629587 60647 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare fuel < 1338629685 433125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338629699 7606 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... < 1338629753 267288 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PART :#esoteric < 1338629772 439032 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language C/C++ Perl PHP Java/-Script brainfuck Engrish < 1338629792 887750 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338629826 684960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its from the same website as the link to the home of the boiled cat < 1338629838 642349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am surprised to see brainfuck on the list though < 1338630046 924700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. i'm in nonsense mode < 1338630120 767213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630189 769724 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630224 667062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338630309 766410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630322 752454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338630384 160138 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-242.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338630545 899959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no way these translations are remotely accurate < 1338630552 710993 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this guy is insane < 1338630692 707775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630707 666423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338630773 124616 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had come out a rainbow on my way home last Friday. I say it's large enough for the first time may not fit on the camera can see the both ends are rare." < 1338630860 871020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338630914 630198 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i'll try to wrap it up with "Yesterday was the end of student drinking in pairs. Grilled chicken pieces and a thorn bird of fear. Students are high 6,500 yen." < 1338631267 412982 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Made to seek good and quiet. It is the only resonance in trouble. What a little anxious Woonsocket" < 1338631315 324837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your matrix of woonsocketry < 1338631346 243645 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not good for my thinking < 1338631368 980482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's incredibly fun for my imagination < 1338631382 119180 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like drugs might be < 1338631453 400807 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this diary entry is titled "Idol collage which is made ​​by superimposing the photo of a celebrity's face on a pornographic image by using a computer [2008/11/01 00:44:00]" < 1338631520 262280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338631528 931032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1338631534 938914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1338631597 49215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hi < 1338631599 469699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) His body should be given to science. He's alive :P Even so. \ 9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 13) "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom \ 16) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1338631938 405014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice usability failure, they have a contact lens working as a camera and screen, and when it recognizes the face of an assassin he gets a message < 1338631940 180231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on his cell phone < 1338632017 480233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "usability"? not sure, but fail anyway < 1338632025 699410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :misfeature perhaps < 1338632365 880490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that they included simon pegg for comic relief though < 1338633146 206503 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633163 834288 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338633376 350911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: ouch < 1338633410 737488 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch? < 1338633417 786318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see topic < 1338633447 137562 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1338633508 120545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338633513 144959 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usualy read logs before i join the channel, but not today < 1338633706 557996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338633707 522755 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633743 68787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been advancing the state of BF Joust < 1338633760 760813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat has been making programs that beat almost everything, I've been coming up with creative ways not to lose to them < 1338634235 140340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338634440 687019 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a zero sum game, Nash equilibrium? < 1338634496 408182 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to define the problem to be solved < 1338634523 858433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a Nash equilibrium < 1338634620 781764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm far from an expert at Game Theory < 1338634647 631439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: a nash equilibrium is a set of strategies a game, where no single player can get better off by changing their strategy < 1338634652 679903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strategies for a game < 1338634653 556867 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know too < 1338634676 181019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, given that all the other players follow their plan, you should follow yours too < 1338634737 33541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338634742 349653 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but sometime is possible to exists a strategy to win all times, in same cases < 1338634890 631606 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the name of the game, something with 0 and 1, three in a line or more. I remember the one who start first and follow a 'plan' always win < 1338634979 149825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338634992 974307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338635000 376737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338635602 434981 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong but some constraint imposed by bf joust rules like number of cycles 100000, set of input chars, and aditional the lenght of the program could make possible to generate, brute force, a huge number of possible programs( strategies in our case) and select or at least analize them < 1338635687 444756 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will too many combination? < 1338635738 933804 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speculate in fact < 1338635780 920558 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see a interesting 'problem' i always look for a possible solution < 1338636927 996444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first bit of my computer arrived today < 1338637397 725718 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no feeling worse than needing to buy something, but being awake before the store is open. < 1338637633 89824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about waking up after it closes? < 1338637635 967173 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338637749 332148 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338637776 678630 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1338637788 267320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ssue < 1338637791 131632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338637821 787178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338637827 960559 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338637833 247471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You new? < 1338637838 352560 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338637845 532862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two questions: < 1338637849 847159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Hexham? < 1338637856 519288 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637863 691576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Finland? < 1338637867 100611 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637870 500033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338637891 532624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get into esolangs? < 1338637922 212975 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone's introduction < 1338637929 692720 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... in here < 1338638251 500547 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PART :#esoteric < 1338638332 665419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome, anyway < 1338638446 208407 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank u < 1338638510 935115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite esoang? < 1338638544 761476 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1338638587 834593 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338638621 960284 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's made of "Hangul" characters < 1338638627 337393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338638634 881150 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in Korean language, actually < 1338638635 727425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used that one < 1338638677 883303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Piet < 1338638680 338691 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puzzlet.org/personal/wiki.php/%EC%95%84%ED%9D%AC~Specification here you can find more details < 1338638686 840073 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1338638697 804506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html < 1338638824 112854 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1338638862 346430 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are the source code? < 1338638888 164991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code's in image form, indeed < 1338638894 97142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense to lex it as colours < 1338638904 609519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's ceased to be color-related by the time it's parsed) < 1338638935 36020 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338639346 632215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott shaddup < 1338639346 812823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338639507 683329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338641751 396032 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338641783 100511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338641854 749495 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338643241 750561 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643281 706461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643283 168302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338643329 303766 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net PART #esoteric :"Adios" < 1338643821 452988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338644890 197657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so the HIB Psychonauts binary is crashing with a floating point error and I can find no documentation of this anywhere else on the internet. < 1338644890 693165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338647545 140258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably it's dividing by zero < 1338647643 797480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using a number that is not zero < 1338647692 958275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1338647879 194792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338647904 538286 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338648174 624055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so overwite the binary with 0xFF? < 1338648442 30785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you want, sure < 1338648454 933566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was about to download that but it's 4G < 1338648458 464214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait until later, I think < 1338648469 282704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I can better figure out space management and have a more reliable connection < 1338648517 24469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so liberating to have a hard drive that I'm basically never going to have to grub for space on. < 1338648533 369463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I was stuck on the family laptop and there was like 2G of free space. < 1338648662 893594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many games in the Bundle. I did a bit of LIMBO yesterday, and the intro of Bastion today, but haven't gotten to Psychonauts at all. < 1338648725 766311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That floating-point bug happens like right at the start of actual gameplay. < 1338648736 609524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion was good, if short. < 1338648747 378747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortness may come from my superfluous free time, though. < 1338648773 160771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the intro bit, I kinda-sorta suck at it, but that's what I do when it comes to anything at all actiony. < 1338648907 232453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent most of it alternating between mashing space and the mouse buttons with the machete and musket and running away and sniping with the machete's alt-fire thing. < 1338649128 714293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what space does, I've been playing it with a pad. < 1338649257 892338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evade. < 1338649307 424686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does that dodge thing which results in some good old Zelda-style "roll across the map" action. < 1338649329 775410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338649371 459881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338649620 966230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1338649695 330636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're A, B and X, respectively. Well, cross, circle and square physically, but it says "gamepad not detected" unless I enable the X360 controller fakery mode. < 1338650399 739009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Limbo port work well? < 1338650435 524980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just used the Steam versions. < 1338650821 231743 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/caab8d2c/save.php?hash=da1da4f0baff73448dd35a69484e9670 < 1338650824 149372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.4 < 1338651071 643373 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651086 385015 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338651524 88370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651589 548507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338651602 40114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reached Axe Proficiency level 1!
< 1338652141 353610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338652375 848354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... looks like Taneb exercised his Axe Proficiency on his internet connection < 1338652449 128111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338653204 385614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Did you just win? < 1338653233 56535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in first place for around 2 days now. < 1338653258 505951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I tend not to check. < 1338655096 147150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 145029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 217548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338655611 217698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655684 393540 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338655763 839772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338656503 171322 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338658026 327133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338658226 694932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338658411 485787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, some of these functions in Prelude.Generalize are too general to describe easily with my limited describing ability < 1338658720 882281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, well, it could be described as a generalize version of something else, giving some examples of the generalizations < 1338658736 808150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice and count right now < 1338658882 947092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those names are based on Parsec but for any Alternative < 1338658908 757641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the downside of never having used Parsec, heh < 1338658948 800704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type is too restrictive f should be Applicative rather than Alternative; I will fix that in next version. < 1338658954 409228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of very small changes I'd make, mostly using liftM instead of fmap in a couple of places to make the thingy smaller < 1338658964 805808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type restriction? < 1338658977 242021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the constraint < 1338658988 842428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was talking about too < 1338659030 776163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, (<>>=) and (>>==) don't have the Functor requirement < 1338659065 391505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, please put null next to unnull in the export list? < 1338659070 256980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just dislike that Functor is not a superclass of Monad < 1338659075 990380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK, I will move that too < 1338659117 222408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor/Monad problem is a problem, but it's a problem < 1338659124 919192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That made a lot more sense in my head < 1338659148 243528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem that exists, and the problem being fixed won't break anything < 1338659169 915626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved unnull/null in the export list and changed the constraint of count < 1338659301 237449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will upload the changes later today < 1338659493 564454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But show me what you have so far? < 1338659581 617468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just begun changing my style, because I'm indecisive and excessively terse < 1338659699 47555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hang on? < 1338659726 149455 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338659795 672968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: what did you change with that last sub? < 1338659811 774139 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of dreadnought? < 1338659838 652727 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I improved the anti-triplock code, which also made it much faster. < 1338659865 30474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the anti triplock code? < 1338659869 17567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :timer clear? < 1338659881 981041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey david_werecat fix psychonauts for me < 1338659904 220174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coldnt download it Phantom_Hoover < 1338659917 288457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the torrent. < 1338659919 436765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont have enough ram to run it anyway < 1338659921 528533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to use the torrent. < 1338659936 467563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the torrnent kept sayingpermissin denied from thewebseed < 1338659937 144760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even tells you when you click the direct download link, use the torrent. < 1338659938 584907 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-triplock is a dual nested loop that leads into a copy of the clear routine. < 1338659948 225498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why is option called option, rather than, eg., snocA? < 1338659965 638517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1338659975 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldnt download it by either method < 1338659978 689039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do you not have the ram to run a 7-year-old games. < 1338659980 666716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1338659988 523604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbook < 1338659994 840104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only got 1gig < 1338660030 284162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did computers normally have more ram than that in 2005? < 1338660037 269301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember < 1338660049 206258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows version onlyreqires 512mb < 1338660056 427445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all that wasavailable then < 1338660073 190892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your netbook also has a very unreliable spacebar. < 1338660081 430600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac and linux require 2gig < 1338660091 990138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my phonne space bar is teh suck < 1338660096 31608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got wet < 1338660111 817504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys near itdouble tap or dont tap sometimes too < 1338660272 597242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is called option simply because that is its name in Parsec. < 1338661073 798611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Giant_sperm_whale < 1338661086 192999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god I need to capture one of these. < 1338661097 127014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how, I am going to do this. At some point. Maybe. < 1338661806 4088 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338661868 438483 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338662123 780743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662184 352228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662518 761398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662533 859214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338662683 966337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have done that. < 1338662694 140500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a link to the source? < 1338662827 880173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:35:18] Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662829 877346 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:36:19] Taneb [~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662831 863152 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:41:53] zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662833 904040 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42:08] OK < 1338662835 17819 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1338662835 932911 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:44:38] OK, I have done that. < 1338662846 101807 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid KVIrc < 1338662863 918490 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1338662865 716080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude the lines are right above, did you have to paste— oh all right. < 1338663698 50989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338663733 671962 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEllo < 1338663947 673799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have added snocA, it is the same as option. < 1338663951 995409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338664342 722525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSI: < 1338664353 855927 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My god, there are bits in this image! Maybe it's a code?" < 1338664376 365358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so DF now has giant sperm whales. < 1338664388 819647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to regular sperm whales? < 1338664389 55996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eight times the size of a fully-grown dragon. < 1338664399 629996 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH AMBERGRIS < 1338665003 987453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338665031 475428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there are, like, websites for that? < 1338665044 655641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338665050 186604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried < 1338665053 326196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard < 1338665075 79246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whilst conducting a financial transaction with a random stranger over IRC is easy. < 1338665102 863044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a stranger < 1338665110 176341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people in here are cool < 1338665199 525736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am genuinely curious whom you would trust to actually pay significant amounts of money. < 1338665247 553226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins, I heard they're only used by criminals for illegal things. < 1338665353 640852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like for buying drugs and I think assassinations? < 1338665375 729657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly fizzie < 1338665389 647860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't forget pretentious programmers! < 1338665397 850207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to buy an assassin < 1338665411 159845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pretentious programmer assassin. < 1338665424 2537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will sell me BTC for an assassin < 1338665445 201394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can I assassinate? < 1338665445 311543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the transaction does not go through, i send the assassin after you < 1338665455 892366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buttbuttinate. < 1338665459 660679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're going to send an assassin after everyone? < 1338665471 597096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just like that one Neil Gaiman short story! < 1338665546 749230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would trust ais to complete the transaction < 1338665550 82360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gregor < 1338665566 129221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are easily stalked by my assassin < 1338665596 661445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, OK I'm going to try a DF worldgen the same as previously except this time I will set the megabeast count to $ridiculous. < 1338665636 349098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or perhaps even to BTCridiculous? < 1338665656 137562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most ridiculous < 1338665656 210053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£ridiculous. < 1338665668 348029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced lridiculous.) < 1338665924 783979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see how many cities get covered in ambergris < 1338666060 910493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, fun fact: children born to members of hostile civs in your fort have a 50/50 chance of being on your side from some reason. < 1338666070 679082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1338666093 781423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be exploitable to use elf children as cannon fodder. < 1338666117 416522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAPTURE THE PREGNANT FEMALES! HALF OF THERE OFFSPRING SHALL BE /OURS/" < 1338666138 221570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll even fight with their parents and siblings. < 1338666156 310242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found this out because I was playing Fortress Defence and some of the added civs breed like crazy. < 1338666159 924850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with meaning agaist here, I presume? < 1338666173 441201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338666189 326046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to alongside < 1338666211 939771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I used prisoners for target practice they actually did pretty well when given fire support. < 1338666227 475866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, challenge: make a fortress populated entirely by elves < 1338666230 832905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could clear out the jail given time. < 1338666246 625979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you can't give them orders or anything and ISTR that they don't play nicely with dorfs. < 1338666253 542330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1338666271 862992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't engineer a Cacame, which is a bit sad. < 1338666306 247164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, these days non-dorf migrants are possible, since they don't all grow from spores right outside the boundaries of your embark zone,. < 1338666893 993119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338666984 841417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:59: if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338666984 951820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:12: and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338666984 952025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:20: so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338666985 24366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338666991 745298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems trivial it's not, then < 1338667001 820486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia no < 1338667001 972757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338667028 469147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:03:07: I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338667031 731628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, isn't that lifthrasiir? < 1338667190 784975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:23:23: anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338667199 388596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338667347 904226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338667350 966956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ouch- < 1338667405 12208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse < 1338667458 995958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be the Microsoft Windows 8 team, writing in Visual J# < 1338667961 590458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338667964 681740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/u8fe6/response_to_conduit_bugs/ < 1338668050 982924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 "The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338668053 485621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that guy is a troll < 1338668098 876858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's shitting over that entire thread (ok, the thread is mostly shit to start with) with anti-yesod nonsense to the point that even the writer of the conduit bugs post says he's misinterpreting him < 1338668139 966664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he might have been the person who made that big stink about Yesod on Hacker News a while ago, too (it annoys me that I know this solely because it got on /r/haskell for some godforsaken reason) < 1338668222 929098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:12 processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338668227 125922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is kind of unfair < 1338668240 469019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to do that, just use regular, strict handle IO, the same as you would in any other language < 1338668258 566711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and anyway when you're dealing with something like a socket "loading it all into memory" isn't an option, because it's streaming, so that's not really the problem being solved) < 1338668287 543852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of unfair but kind of fair too < 1338668294 730556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1338668391 740199 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleaving strict handle IO with your logic is a lot more awkward in Haskell than other languages < 1338668417 817182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pushes your code further from nice idiomatic Haskell < 1338668462 827945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the enumeratoritataritaratee drama is relevant to the high level question of "can you do webdev / whatever nicely in idiomatic Haskell" < 1338668469 836647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::kmc: What do you mean by that, exactly? < 1338668481 892782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "interleaving strict handle IO with your logic" mean? < 1338668550 917940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure it's awkward, but it's still possible. < 1338668553 260681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means every piece of code is an IO action and is like "do { computeFoo; x <- readMoreShit; computeBar x }" < 1338668562 273381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's, e.g. less awkward than C because of all the concerns you don't have to worry about. < 1338668566 683811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But more awkward than Python or whatever.) < 1338668585 592016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"better than C for webdev" < 1338668586 336433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, finished that megabeast-infested world. < 1338668589 50628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a high bar you've set elliott < 1338668591 361929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes! < 1338668593 191094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a total shithole, it seems. < 1338668596 484882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's it like? < 1338668599 207328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not as if processing streaming data is all *that* relevant to web dev. < 1338668603 226321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't need file uploads. < 1338668605 598542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1338668617 29482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not trying to be the "Haskell is broken, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS" guy < 1338668620 643700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the most common cause of death seems to be werebeast. < 1338668622 833329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I don't really think the argument is very relevant, but that's mostly because I have a strong position on it :) < 1338668627 907141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think this is pretty important < 1338668632 295029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your strong position < 1338668635 92028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like inner-city Glasgow < 1338668653 2514 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of tasks which are much easier in Haskell than other languages < 1338668657 939807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also some which are much harder < 1338668670 233748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I get the impression that basically everyone's either dead from megabeasts, dead from werebeasts, or a werebeast. < 1338668670 649786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go eat lunch now though < 1338668671 645696 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1338668688 310274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does every piece of code need to be IO action? I find that doesn't need like that at all < 1338668707 969562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ttly"!? < 1338668714 751980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta-ta you later? < 1338668757 64482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some library that's supposed to make Webdev in C++ nice? < 1338668761 573736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it C, I forget) < 1338668779 425821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: PHP is written in C, iirc < 1338668791 851169 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338668794 56181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt < 1338668807 480270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does that count as making it "nice"? < 1338668828 370470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is "interleaving strict handle IO"? < 1338668925 613038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:23 what's your strong position < 1338668970 867734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Tekmo a lot more than Snoyman (although I think both of them approach the argument terribly making it essentially fruitless), but I also don't think Tekmo's solution is all that good :P < 1338668981 119687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disagreeing with everyone is usually the best position. < 1338669002 165347 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1338669004 463428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeing with everyone must mean that you're the only one who's right < 1338669020 895781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1338669033 247743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i disagree with everyone too < 1338669121 797191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'd be stupid < 1338669241 867555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes, but unfortunately it seems you have to agree with either me or Taneb about whether or not you can disagree with everyone < 1338669259 494652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no he doesn't < 1338669266 671646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could take a third option < 1338669305 599390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which third option? < 1338669325 670715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, but it's not stupid" < 1338669476 690003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news from Sweden: "Boy and grandfather seriously injured" < 1338669517 457502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they weren't < 1338669523 484828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least the cannibal drug has disappeared from reporting < 1338669620 138955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it hasn't < 1338669670 282537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am glad you agree < 1338669741 801005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I < 1338669843 296525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written the "dvi-processing" package which use IO and non-IO together and it doesn't need every piece of code to be an IO action like your example code above, and I don't think any program needs to be like that < 1338670162 47546 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338670298 405911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338670479 944695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338671136 685793 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A18D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671542 806573 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671829 723849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1338673581 813908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to write a quick thing in Racket, but I need formatting directives, and it seems like a bit of a pain < 1338674377 495959 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338675390 263885 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675439 957996 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675472 885324 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338675540 494165 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Hybris < 1338675543 707263 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hybris: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338675610 145624 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's what this is. Like brainfuck? < 1338675649 550249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338675676 391135 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675710 436966 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 QUIT :Quit: Well, not for me. Enjoy yourselves. < 1338675845 944785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im enjoying myself < 1338676190 297902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1338676201 112508 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338676231 916400 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676253 319509 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet? < 1338676314 77724 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676878 457028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338676878 978089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676885 235100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338676889 916324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338676890 95333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676898 51047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really should say "dong". < 1338676923 693012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Haha, you said 'dong'." Okay, maybe not.) < 1338677010 431200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338677010 611778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677012 825051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dong < 1338677013 35641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: do docs ping < 1338677095 508857 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@plng < 1338677096 442335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677103 271942 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pmng < 1338677103 894357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677107 182989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a bad thing < 1338677129 87784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally caused my gf to start focusing more on LSL than on Haskell < 1338677133 88835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1ng < 1338677133 278237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677134 691605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 31337. < 1338677143 957516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tink < 1338677144 68411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@91ng < 1338677144 530851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677148 127873 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, dahell < 1338677149 75304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tink < 1338677149 262766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: kind ping time < 1338677151 900986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1338677175 878605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1n6 < 1338677176 157917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677182 469166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hell elliott I'M GIVING YOU HELL < 1338677182 747034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: help tell < 1338677185 996220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1338677191 128224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338677204 73585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. Sadly 91n6 is one typo too many. < 1338677316 655461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@73ll f1zz13 ur s0 1337 h4x0r < 1338677316 796501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338677342 384128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nightmare < 1338677342 562592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338677366 26338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an expiration time for messages, incidentally? < 1338678208 72460 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: via google, is that linden scripting language? < 1338678223 195202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes < 1338679463 951460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338679983 646500 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338680379 662576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Shen is like
< 1338680645 137479 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338680652 495813 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1338680753 714943 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338681619 41966 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A18D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338681752 311512 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682430 814243 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682791 620833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :readFile' = readFile >=> liftA2 seq (length :: String -> Int) return; -- It appears to work?? < 1338682926 728099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338682927 632169 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682986 607123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338683003 38957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338683011 384157 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338683018 188009 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338683194 676886 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-227.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338683847 846891 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1338684207 56133 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338684237 438146 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338684383 881936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338684585 221536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338684749 586155 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338684754 981732 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using C++11 to write a program, and I'm using the new constructor inheritance feature. The base class is Brainfuck, and the derived class is Brainfuck_X1. Problem is, when I call "using Brainfuck::Brainfuck", my compiler gives me the error "Brainfuck::Brainfuck names constructor". Any tips? < 1338684800 220294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1338685092 106631 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338685122 722083 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338685289 505058 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338685293 293910 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338686554 711783 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338687334 458298 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338689362 947240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338689700 469037 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338689731 157532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338690729 358254 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338692812 125807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338694425 116712 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338694428 293838 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338698027 744923 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338698423 69696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... GUI: Grab the User In-the-face < 1338699038 251717 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338700413 193563 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338700725 210749 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338701514 114497 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338701904 231033 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338702767 251730 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338704427 49386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can read this, thank your teachers. < 1338704503 65478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ã��れを読ã‚�ã�°ã€�ã� ã‚Œã�«æœ‰é›£ã�„ã�‹ã€‚ < 1338704583 501262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can read this, you aren't blind. < 1338704629 387083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338704644 917805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sore wo yomeba, dare in arigatai ka?)[sore wo yomehà, tàre ni arikàtai ka?] (If you can read this, who should you be thankful towards?) < 1338704650 177724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you used a braille terminal or computer speech or whatever) < 1338704651 899141 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338705407 296663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call functions that take 2 inputs? < 1338705425 964272 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338705427 64184 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338705453 578101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary functions? < 1338705528 919311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyadic. < 1338705858 367873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can't find an example of reSigned differing from transInt < 1338706036 321381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should I resent my teachers if I can't read that? < 1338706423 766258 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338706438 691283 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338707163 574663 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338707164 490166 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338707204 519787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:/ < 1338707204 701272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338707208 558952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sorry I may have made a mistake; I put it there for the different ways range errors would happen but I don't know if they would cause the same range error? < 1338707234 666287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is your choice. < 1338707291 603566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you make money? < 1338707329 64645 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transInt (255 :: Word8) :: Int8 == reSigned (255 :: Word8) :: Int8 < 1338707338 44032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== -1 < 1338707360 383316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, so that works. Then there is no reason for both; I may remove reSigned < 1338707363 89472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transInt (-128 :: Int8) :: Word8 == reSigned (-128 :: Int8) :: Word8 == 128 < 1338707390 321374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338707425 721416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I sometimes get money from government and sometimes I do individual job for someone to earn money or barter < 1338707450 282520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you use BTC < 1338707463 260303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does BTC mean? < 1338707471 954436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin < 1338707480 294670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Don't bother reSigned; just use transInt and I will remove reSigned in the next version < 1338707484 56656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338707503 556895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point I need to move all my documentation to the newest version, I'm writing it in 2.0 < 1338707525 501293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I don't use that. < 1338707544 201462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338707547 652165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I will just merge it with whatever changes I make and release that < 1338707568 211212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll move it to 3.1 first < 1338707577 248687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338707578 938513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain what getBits does to me? < 1338707594 157302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, can you explain, to me, what getBits does? < 1338707856 977212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Receive the range of bits by high and low specification. < 1338708055 174030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, breakfast < 1338708062 584336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1338708074 496189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :getBits 3 4 to retrieve low 4 bits, getBits 7 4 to retrieve the next 4 bits after lowest one, etc. < 1338708431 326690 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338708564 436836 :Taneb|Away!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338708568 189027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1338709024 82896 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338709052 841613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will sleep now. Continue to write your question/comment I will review the logs tomorrow. < 1338709058 659745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: OK. I sleep now < 1338709064 38129 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338709779 301790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 skyscraper sits there with the enemy doing a fake triplock for hundreds of cycles. sure that is ample opportunity to guess polarity and put the last decoys in the direction that costs them the most time? < 1338709779 547553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338711858 734006 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338711870 192560 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338712384 287238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338712815 711515 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338712826 987930 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338713490 735678 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338714212 159941 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338714418 130575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338714735 38470 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338714816 823534 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715653 853943 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338715664 312121 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715864 315042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715891 675916 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338716614 226331 :Alheris!~alheris@82.113.121.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338717448 571413 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338717460 148283 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338718120 866733 :Alheris!~alheris@82.113.121.22 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338718244 874770 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338718304 175027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lali-ho. < 1338718315 130281 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafug < 1338718334 984262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarves say "Lali-ho!". < 1338718585 976719 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff4? < 1338718594 625613 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^_^ < 1338718603 418589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338718612 664724 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338718621 968372 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust someone with a final fantasy id to understand a final fantasy reference! < 1338718683 38409 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has a final fantasy if? < 1338718687 780439 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of chat trivia isn't as fun when nearly all facts can be obtained from google < 1338718690 201613 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1338718708 96968 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google tidus < 1338718709 764791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidus < 1338718709 983343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Tidus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1338718796 862481 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words final fantasy appears four times in the first paragrah on that page! < 1338719407 91408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF4 is what I was thinking of, yes, though I am under the impression it's been at least in one of the earlier games, at least in the Japanese text. And in FF9 they say "Rally-Ho". < 1338719470 995724 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719479 297028 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719479 370349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338719479 370506 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719484 297016 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338719638 25603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality I'm not very clued in about final fantasy games. < 1338719664 228107 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 100 is the maximum one can know about final fantasy games, I suppose I'm a 3. < 1338719685 339075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1338719692 725842 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. a 0.3 :-s < 1338719726 716615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can measure that by taking the Official Final Fantasy Examination. (Okay, not really.) < 1338719731 767506 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm 0.0001 < 1338719749 755918 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1338719762 567572 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends how accurate my statement is < 1338719791 363297 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately from a certain point of view a human can only have an infinitessimally small knowledge of final fantasy < 1338719803 731042 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like one cannot know everything about chess < 1338719803 896555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square-Enix should arrange some sort of a thing where you go to a room in their offices and take a monitored multiple-choice test. < 1338719866 415356 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, part of the knowledge would be the ability to sit in a room with no information other than whats in your head, and write a complete source code to every final fantasy game ever made < 1338719885 108706 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including all graphics and sounds < 1338719916 815216 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all regions < 1338719960 836834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an officially licensed energy drink called "Final Fantasy Potion" that was released as part of the marketing of FFXII. < 1338719984 312731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "an herb-drink containing such ingredients as royal jelly, propolis extract, elderberry, chamomile, sage, thyme, hyssop, fennel, marjoram, rosemary, basil, Melissa, carbonated water, caffeine, and artificial coloring. The drink had a unique taste; it was very sweet, but at the same time possessed a bitter herbal aftertaste." < 1338720004 65764 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338720014 751254 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338720075 217271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the same is true of every game though (as what I just said) < 1338720087 485145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've also made a FFVII themed version of Potion for that game's 10-year anniversary. < 1338720114 694005 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, a game such as Super Mario Bros.. it would actually be concievable that someone could memorize how to code a replica of that game with complete graphics < 1338720140 416649 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely perfectly though < 1338720159 919141 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. all the bugs wouldn't be there < 1338720161 402484 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was a savant... then god only knows what is possible < 1338720227 857598 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(begins wandering off the topic path...) < 1338720284 314796 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well having said that I understand that with project MKULTRA they studied whether they could hypnotize people into memorizing documents after briefly viewing them, and recalling the contents < 1338720708 690221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB1 rom is I think 256kbit, so about 79000 decimal digits when represented in that base; digits of pi have been memorized approximately that far. (Guinness record 67890 digits, some reports for 100000, and one guy claims 30 million digits, but obviously didn't list them all; they just asked for random sequences, so it might be a bit dubious.) < 1338720732 975948 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1338720742 732984 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm < 1338720798 777852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyway, there might be large amounts of easier-to-remember material in there.) < 1338720859 884513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long time to type it all down, though. < 1338720915 981487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It apparently took the Guinness record holder a bit over 24 hours to recite the 67890 digits. < 1338721045 403858 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this version of smb1 is 40,976 bytes < 1338721077 421524 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how they figure that :P < 1338721104 321811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a bit more than 256kbit, but maybe it's just the format. Anyway, same ballpark. < 1338721127 137249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i should look up a more authoritative source < 1338721305 590953 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. this website says it's a 320-kilobit cartridge < 1338721313 229194 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338721328 318756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338721346 673789 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the game of chat trivia isn't as fun when nearly all facts can be obtained from google" < 1338721365 759098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via google, rather < 1338721390 855592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. Well, then. At least it's not orders of magnitude more. (I couldn't find the size very fast, so gave up.) < 1338721499 601249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one go about calculating the number of decimal digits based on the number of kilobits? < 1338721516 171066 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should solve this myself < 1338721522 270740 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of math work < 1338721555 928801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divide the bits by log_2(10). < 1338721569 667436 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah i was about to say that.. < 1338721667 874929 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently about 96000 < 1338721759 914076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n = 2^(log_2(10)*n/log_2(10)) = (2^log_2(10))^(n/log_2(10)) = 10^(n/log_2(10)) to be explicit about it. < 1338721922 408351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so math is useful for something other than torturing children after all < 1338721952 121910 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-135.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338721980 681725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gameboy Super Mario Land is apparently a 512-kilobit thing, that's kinda funny. It's got less levels and colors and all that. < 1338722009 164941 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's the tidus-fizzie number.. the number of decimal digits required to memorize a complete nintendo game < 1338722056 498263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose, that, it's probably been independantly discovered somewhere out there < 1338722133 23546 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338722205 876428 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE26.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722229 233116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, that Mario wiki doesn't list cartridge size for the non-Super Mario Bros game, or the NES Donkey Kong port. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were smaller. < 1338722234 392708 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rom file seems to contain 327,808 bits < 1338722274 809137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that is the EU version < 1338722398 949207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :327680 is what 320 kibibits is, the leftover 16 bytes coud be just headers. < 1338722428 966750 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1338722559 227218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to IGN's list, Duck Hunt came on a 192 kilobit cartridge. That's less than 60k decimal digits, even the lame Guinness pi guy could do that. < 1338722573 897520 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donkey kong is 196736 bits ya < 1338722588 815770 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so donkey kong and duckhunt same < 1338722643 993217 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(24,592kb * 8) / 1024 = 192.125 kilobit cart < 1338722696 233904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :24592kb? That's quite a lot. < 1338722746 536601 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.. ((24592 * 8)-128) / 1024 = 192 < 1338722753 476733 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty stephen wolfram < 1338722777 704937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722784 960879 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722787 26833 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338722793 958595 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338722797 269837 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338722810 423354 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when you try a new client without closing your old one < 1338722815 594315 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338722822 691048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a confusing join sequence. < 1338722822 892622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, :( < 1338722826 81734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338722835 690350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now your NAME is KNOWN. < 1338722844 187493 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1338722863 775770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least someone's name. < 1338722865 762552 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING A NAME < 1338722871 624494 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name... was already known by most of the channel? < 1338722884 712527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Also, anyone who runs /whois. :-) < 1338722887 839813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is elliott's, for that matter < 1338722888 286781 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-135.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338722896 269774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gregor's < 1338722897 537051 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. elliott’s real name is Eliot. < 1338722907 93347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeliot < 1338722927 722934 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my name is Scott .. now that it is read it cannot be unread < 1338722946 764993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill eel-liot. < 1338722970 30356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :illiot < 1338722991 3342 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the biggest nes rom putting aside action52 turns out to be a game i have never heard of name Metal Slader Glory < 1338723003 590671 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does sound exciting.. < 1338723027 988752 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i say biggest that is in terms of compressed < 1338723042 639954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "Metal Slander Glory", that sounded even more exciting. < 1338723062 202926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal Libel and Slander Glory. < 1338723068 431884 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is.. 8 megabits! < 1338723122 153692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconceivable. < 1338723145 921861 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god... what could it be.. how could it go under the radar < 1338723191 319280 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's japan only < 1338723201 757082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it has a lot of pictures < 1338723217 677494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of slideshow game < 1338723223 457487 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1338723256 986594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it took so long to develope... < 1338723265 646351 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That when it was released, the SNES was out < 1338723327 856797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run more than one application from a single terminal at once, and tab between them or something? < 1338723418 758977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maximum manufactured ROM Size < 1338723418 832014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest single NES game that I know of is Dragonquest 4 / Dragon Warrior 4. It has 1 megabyte of program ROM. Also, the Japanese game Metal Slader Glory has 512K of PRG and 512K of CHR ROM, making it also a full megabyte. Several pirate/unlicenced Famicom games are also pretty large. < 1338723424 174407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum manufactured ROM Size < 1338723426 756548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the .NES fileformat deems 16K PRG ROM games as the minimum, there have been some 8K games manufactured, such as Galaxian. Later on, skilled programmers have learned to squeeze better code into even less memory, but nowadays most are probably dead. < 1338723432 339737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From http://nocash.emubase.de/everynes.htm#cartridgeinfo < 1338723495 491040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why not just run screen/some screen-alike? < 1338723525 391515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux or whatnot. < 1338723534 370949 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1338723585 280247 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338723586 295235 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338723620 617421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks < 1338723641 138552 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing if I can survive without a GUI < 1338724182 498682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338724198 882480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone remind me how MOOs do pronouns. (That is, the specific list of words they decompose a pronoun set into.) < 1338724225 399816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338724231 313498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here, I nominate you. < 1338724252 467540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:47: ok my name is Scott .. now that it is read it cannot be unread < 1338724256 541507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Nnnno. It's itidus. < 1338724728 277696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about cow pronouns. < 1338724810 691413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the mutated cow special encounter in Fallout. < 1338725006 196402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what would you call the abstraction of hit points to things other than hits? "Points" is too vague. < 1338725025 610257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, (m,n) where m <= n, m being current ?P and n being maximum ?P.) < 1338725142 564868 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338725154 194164 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338725189 821292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. I don't know. Something about a bound, maybe, since that's what it has, but I don't know. GP for Generic Points. (Not really.) < 1338725234 484342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The exact case here is < 1338725236 413667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MonsterStats = MonsterStats < 1338725236 578637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { monHP :: !Points < 1338725236 651009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , monMP :: !Points < 1338725238 518000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1338725240 563012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1338725807 253456 :Alheris!~alheris@89.204.155.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338725824 602077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Alheris < 1338725827 708936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alheris: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338725875 54420 :Alheris!~alheris@89.204.155.131 PART :#esoteric < 1338725887 284908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1338725934 243616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are good at that. < 1338725957 787302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338726025 776954 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338726038 186545 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338727851 837127 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ps < 1338727863 275424 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1338727904 41539 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MonsterStats = MonsterStats{ monHP :: !P, monMP :: !P } < 1338727960 237648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P being short for Points < 1338728154 367808 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "In games, score refers to an abstract quantity associated with a player or team. Score is usually measured in the abstract unit of points, and events in the game can raise or lower the score of different parties." < 1338728238 229239 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gaming) A unit of scoring in a game or competition. [from 18th c.] < 1338728525 717499 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning "a unit of score in a game" is first recorded 1746. < 1338728670 148526 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338728680 738870 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338728866 581818 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact quote appears to be: < 1338728866 943054 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   1746 Hoyle Whist (ed. 6) 69 Points. Ten of them make a Game. < 1338728879 965649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338728880 374786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338728949 476851 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah .. this fool didn't do his research very well < 1338729027 428420 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe the research is ok.. however.. < 1338729032 889846 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't explain: < 1338729036 481603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1719 R. Seymour Court Gamester 75 He who reckons most in this Manner [either by greater number of cards, or, in case of equality, of Pips, Ace = 11, Court cards 10 each] is said to win the Point. < 1338729244 543161 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The salient feature of a story, discourse, epigram, joke, etc.; that which gives it application; effective or telling part." ok, just get to the point < 1338730001 530057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338730028 235691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338730692 783292 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-202.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338730883 297837 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338730998 419417 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-202.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338731048 179597 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338731249 81119 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338731783 812487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A pecularity of the inPulse watch is that it has one button. Fortunately, roguelikes are turn-based, so by entering commands in morse code one can gain the advantage of the whole keyboard." < 1338731786 176264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... fortunate. < 1338731959 52975 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1338732252 487253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338732257 241762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338732273 868791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338732282 946185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you want to do without a gui, then just use the console instead of X : < 1338732283 419310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338732286 946950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I don't recommend it) < 1338732304 769212 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is more of a "see if I can" experience < 1338732327 746889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun browsing the web < 1338732331 42105 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case I'm sent back to the 70s and don't want to /completely/ terrify them < 1338732345 443414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're taneb you will terrify them regardless < 1338732382 445538 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it works actually pretty well < 1338732416 947872 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (spoilers: you can. I have been doing it for some 2 weeks for now) < 1338732429 813555 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it AS WE SPEAK < 1338732431 177142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1338732443 638213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so am I < 1338732446 660497 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running the terminal thing that comes with Ubuntu full screen < 1338732452 996450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the GUI behind it < 1338732461 222504 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am not running X at all < 1338732475 214796 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I unistalled Xorg < 1338732492 343038 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I need X (qemu, hv3) I use xfbdev < 1338732543 222710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did mostly-no-X for some amount of years, some amount of years back. < 1338732576 236507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got byobu going, with irssi, Dwarf Fortress, and links2 open < 1338732584 374601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is kinda fun < 1338732588 204417 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338732595 303765 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what webbrowser did you run in console? I use link2 -g and I am trying to get netsurf running < 1338732613 906194 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you use links2 with or without graphics? < 1338732634 765358 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without < 1338732666 289720 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you have framebuffer working in tty*? do you have gpm? < 1338732680 443274 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1338732689 977983 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I don't know what either are < 1338732691 289272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is output when you type links -driver ? < 1338732727 190271 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links is not installed < 1338732730 257016 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using links2 < 1338732746 296073 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 -driver wants a parameter < 1338732766 199186 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how do you run link2? on all systems I have used links2 is started with command links < 1338732778 925490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"links2 google.com"? < 1338732813 915424 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ? is part of that command < 1338732814 171490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I don't remember. It was around the year 2000. I don't think links2 was around, or if it was, not very far. < 1338732824 594907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes or question mark, nortti < 1338732837 226142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 google.com < 1338732854 433992 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I meant my command < 1338732862 434213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(links -driver ?) < 1338732865 995803 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1338732877 768595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrox cards had a very spiffy framebuffer driver. < 1338732889 672112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown graphics driver p < 1338732900 659089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x, fb, directfb and svgalib are supported < 1338732903 602299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a mplayer driver. < 1338732924 166236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you have a file called "p" there? < 1338732934 317240 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the directory? < 1338732949 435947 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338732950 633408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I mean, it sounds like the ? expanded. < 1338732976 826672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good. your links2 has been compiled with framebuffer support. do you have /dev/fb* and chmod them 666 if you do < 1338732986 15733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this is pointless since you are not using the console < 1338733051 882876 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone tells me how to use the console, I'll switch. < 1338733057 898820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+alt+f1 < 1338733063 777096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1338733086 832724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many lines do you have per screen in console? < 1338733243 988747 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also can you see picture if you try mplayer -vo fbdev moviefile < 1338733264 782421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fbdev mode-setting was such a mess back then. 'fbset' was very kludgy. < 1338733288 799482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, mplayer -vo mga was the snazziest thing. < 1338733307 430863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to even have fbset installed. < 1338733350 384532 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use vga=794 as kernel boot argument < 1338733410 360341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fbset let you mess around with timings and so on. < 1338733427 381089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a novelty 666x666 graphics mode in there. < 1338733435 882327 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338733441 60372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather non-square pixels though. < 1338733800 338942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vesafb tended to be real slow when e.g. scrolling, too. I wonder if that's any better nowadays. < 1338733974 709189 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338733987 17066 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338733989 963178 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what distro are you using? < 1338734144 412818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian and Ubuntu, nowadays. Either Slackware or Debian in the no-X days, can't recall which one. < 1338734274 70131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1338734289 112959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Was it an adventure? < 1338734295 287170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1338734324 961314 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no idea on the lines < 1338734367 162054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'resize' command will often tell you that. < 1338734399 602062 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 lines in one of the quadrants < 1338734415 241663 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno for the whole thing < 1338734483 255437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-145-195.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338734484 411706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No for the image < 1338734501 205617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338734503 283732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if it is over 25 it is pretty safe to assume you have working framebuffer of some sort < 1338734508 579092 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try fbset < 1338734530 814792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not installed < 1338734563 95375 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :install it < 1338734602 360023 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed < 1338734613 191858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just cat /proc/fb? (Or whatever it was called.) < 1338734653 461911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, technically that just tells if there is a framebuffer device, not whether the console is bound to it. < 1338734653 711159 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was /proc/fb (mine shows 0 VESA VGA) < 1338734708 324789 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, trying stuff < 1338734721 362014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338734922 572863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338734927 415507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1338735160 107496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 lines, btw < 1338735247 156148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is this in X-land, or the console? < 1338735260 208957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 is a pretty weird number for an actual console. < 1338735285 180143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given reasonable video modes and font heights. < 1338735316 88578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual console, I think < 1338735316 635980 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I need dimensions of you text console you can access with C-A-F1 < 1338735335 571564 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: install gpm < 1338735395 905161 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing < 1338735425 890816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use a MOUSE! Isn't that so 2000s? < 1338735427 939681 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed < 1338735434 752277 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, cool! < 1338735452 913459 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try links2 -g -driver fb < 1338735453 390183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming things work out, that is. < 1338735678 131984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/02/in-light-of-recent-episodes-cdc-makes-statement-that-zombies-dont-actually-exist/ < 1338735701 961302 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338735708 760884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'“I feel like the CDC, they know something is going on,” one woman who disagrees with Kendrick said. “They’re trying to cover it up so nobody will panic.” < 1338735708 843453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She also believes in vampires, and that this is all one big conspiracy.' < 1338735715 510723 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338736030 914934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-80.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338736060 230495 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-145-195.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338736123 643561 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, something to consider is the false sense of authority one might get from reading "the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — a federal agency — " < 1338736158 891831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, can federal agencies really be trusted? < 1338736212 125248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they can't < 1338736305 294293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338736345 725370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi < 1338736348 551677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1338736394 894907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log hi < 1338736427 404261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736441 576656 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat' > wisdom/hi < 1338736444 92295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736446 366779 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi < 1338736449 384761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat < 1338736491 603090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/hi < 1338736493 833480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736494 465749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one shall be warned < 1338736506 280628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :waning | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338736519 381534 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338736523 236559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338736543 830129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone name my simultaneous-turn roguelike < 1338736552 597504 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a front-page article, claiming that the CIA had assassinated foreign leaders, and had illegally conducted surveillance on some 7,000 US citizens involved in the antiwar movement (Operation CHAOS). The CIA had also experimented on people, who unknowingly took LSD (among other things). < 1338736566 373096 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :estr? < 1338736601 587183 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nixon and Haldemann ensured that the CIA's #1 and #2 ranking officials, Richard Helms and Vernon Walters, communicated to FBI Director L. Patrick Gray that the FBI should not follow the money trail from the burglars to the Committee to Re-elect the President, as it would uncover CIA informants in Mexico. < 1338736626 269737 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :federal agency! < 1338736626 739223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the CIA also condones making love to goats < 1338736666 404880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll call it quokaa < 1338736667 799705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quokka < 1338736674 410073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack < 1338736674 824475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside: quokka is hard to type < 1338736711 198016 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338736729 411852 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The journal Nature reported in 2005 that 70% of FDA panels writing clinical guidelines on prescription drug usage contained at least one member with financial links to drug companies whose products were covered by those guidelines. < 1338736742 68593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god are you going on about patents again < 1338736745 345659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill me < 1338736753 114074 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. about federal agencies < 1338736787 661114 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIA, FBI, FDA.. i am not sure who else there is to dig up wikipedia dirt on < 1338736829 700029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338738172 243131 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1338738175 626371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738729 297082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1338738732 867897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738734 780111 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE nortti < 1338738738 525341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738840 761779 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE nortti < 1338738844 282309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoRtTi: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738867 730235 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME nortti < 1338738870 594675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORTTI: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338739604 843901 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338739720 293269 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338739722 14493 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338740056 271841 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb did links2 work in framebuffer? < 1338740056 437199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338740190 729053 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo foo < 1338740190 896163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo foo"] < 1338740191 30610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :} rest:"foo" < 1338740221 582180 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338740253 774749 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help echo < 1338740254 94192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo . echo irc protocol string < 1338740275 405773 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo foo < 1338740277 915170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1338740293 909041 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo `echo #echo foo < 1338740294 336669 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo #echo foo < 1338740297 299031 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#echo foo < 1338740364 540307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo foo < 1338740364 813366 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo foo < 1338740379 165456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only one that actually has an echo. < 1338740391 234998 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it and oonbotti < 1338740414 229799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that just prints the argument. < 1338740425 778985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Does it echo in here? < 1338740426 55041 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it echo in here? Does it echo in here? < 1338740520 47942 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338740529 118500 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&; }; : < 1338740531 962499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){ :|:&; }; :' < 1338740547 728066 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ a|a& }a < 1338740550 403332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1338740556 183059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ a|a& }; a < 1338740558 938004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338740623 274410 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. HackEgo either solves the halting problem, has detection for fokbombs or just stops commands after some time < 1338740760 559714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has a timeout, though that might get stopped earlier due to other limits for all I know. < 1338740773 188691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do true; done < 1338740790 563582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338740795 919200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waning is a good word < 1338740801 741139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it says anything when it gets bored. < 1338740805 211554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338740815 552237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently just that. < 1338740862 502748 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. I'll just have to find code that solves the halting program somewhere else < 1338740929 637725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, to reinvent the wheel or not to reinvent the wheel < 1338740956 828651 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what wheel? < 1338740967 610541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal display < 1338741005 572893 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1338741055 818046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1338741059 954071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that want to display on terminals < 1338741181 942393 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinvent if you can do better that existing implementations, otherwise don't < 1338741287 853525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I can do better < 1338741291 300714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether I can be bothered < 1338742069 795471 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is a photo of squids off the coast of Japan using their own water farts to leap right out of the water and into open air." < 1338745679 350712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338745704 831654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338745705 471667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338745719 72871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no < 1338745738 265657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know I can survive in a texty mode like that, I will never use it again < 1338745867 24192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to check my tty1, just for funtimes. Didn't know there's a "FATAL: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/.../vesafb.ko): No such device" in there, that's funny. < 1338746600 670738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUTURE ZZO38: what does loeb do? I can't get it to do anything... < 1338746732 198508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exported, though? < 1338746762 814666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH BUT IT IS! < 1338746814 295503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/11/from-l-theorem-to-spreadsheet.html < 1338746935 110089 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338747109 375437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338747171 306553 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1338747184 860122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, elliott < 1338747190 2754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1338747190 299666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was going to be about L-systems. < 1338747194 733309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like L-systems. < 1338747254 973902 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I understand it, though < 1338747257 991488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just link it < 1338747472 180362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1338747476 429833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338747734 861875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: See also http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/12/tying-knots-generically.html < 1338747794 310185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1338747861 839027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338748433 174851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338748691 575178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still don't really know what loeb does, but I know that's my own fault, not the fault of loeb < 1338749134 291430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338749149 444967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1338749190 79867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1338749190 800564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338749194 626612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338749195 259447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 10h 56m 55s ago: skyscraper sits there with the enemy doing a fake triplock for hundreds of cycles. sure that is ample opportunity to guess polarity and put the last decoys in the < 1338749195 423486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :direction that costs them the most time? < 1338749238 968201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't get it, that's how skyscraper works at the moment < 1338749573 304833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I took it from some description somewhere; it can be used for spreadsheet evaluation < 1338749581 533830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, elliott linked it < 1338749719 678769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also change the order of exports if you prefer a different order < 1338750067 593001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338750190 172215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, I'm just playing with the Curry-Howard correspondance < 1338750197 345998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think what Negation is like < 1338750247 816486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a is (a -> Void) < 1338750249 222643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not could be considered (x -> Zero) if Zero is uninhabited type < 1338750251 800748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Void is the type with no values < 1338750264 824571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338750313 77263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Load the data for one screen. Return its data index, in such a way that Splint can see that it's fully defined (data indexes themselves often < 1338750314 548637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aren't, so the return value is a more specific type than s->index). *mutters something about Curry/Howard* */ < 1338750332 799842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also works if Zero actually represents the number zero, () represents one, -> for exponent, (,) for multiplication, Either for addition, then zero to the power of zero makes one and zero to the power of anything other than zero makes zero < 1338750360 32489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In what program is that? < 1338750380 765133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a platformer engine I'm writing < 1338750395 173476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338750400 32720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to use Splint to prove there are no memory allocation errors in it; sadly, Splint is too buggy to make a good theorem prover < 1338750409 739775 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-80.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338751029 127815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338751031 131780 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751079 10826 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751098 695997 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1338751159 408253 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751708 122411 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338752030 991305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i just realized that it is what it was doing. i was confused because it was failing to do it in some places where it could have, but i realize now that is just a weakness with the polarity detection, not the strategy < 1338752088 943253 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752190 700463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/TSOU < 1338752200 269731 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338752206 215387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338752206 297855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338752218 936671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure to paste properly? < 1338752231 721457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it < 1338752239 904474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe failure to read properly? < 1338752271 734356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i dunno. it shouldnt be much longer than the one that was already in there < 1338752299 19048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, maybe EgoBot had an internet blip < 1338752315 11388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338752321 584251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched loops somehow < 1338752329 474247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338752338 733122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338752359 394702 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338752379 46652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752385 855046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it has to do with the massive failure my terminal had when i was pasting it in < 1338752398 529310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite loop of visual bells < 1338752411 313371 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752587 498784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/hCEj < 1338752590 444039 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338752597 874695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fack < 1338752614 295798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched paren, or something? < 1338752627 917267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338752631 434077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1338752644 529428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i locate the character egojsout says it's at < 1338752718 991170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what text editor happily says "oh here's the context around character 36866! < 1338752798 433360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a copy of the old version? < 1338752807 995171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :locally < 1338752827 310118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1338752843 27562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'll be easier to make the changes again than track down the missing character < 1338752843 109937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and I use Emacs, C-u 36866 C-f < 1338752859 837526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb me the original < 1338752889 876705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/93dc3dc7dad9/quintopia_space_elevator.bfjoust < 1338752894 168776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for a pastebin ;) < 1338752903 407190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338752904 109048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg < 1338752906 770356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EgoBot has past versions online too) < 1338752914 102801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that version is too old < 1338752923 908151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need 1_4_9 < 1338752931 766546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, let me see if that's the one I have locally < 1338752940 738257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my computer was off < 1338752967 265653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/idYC < 1338752976 268166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1338753329 338450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/hgZU < 1338753332 310887 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 44.7 < 1338753335 492009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1338753344 166116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a slight improvement < 1338753363 579302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of other things i want to change, but its good to see that < 1338753679 942816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "surviving" in a linux text mode is not hard at all. tell me when you haven't started X for 5 days < 1338753688 807250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER! < 1338753770 566595 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't that hard really. biggest change would be using links2 as your main web browser (that or compiling netsurf with it's dependecy hell) < 1338753784 305978 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338753798 437960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, the biggest challenge would be figuring out how to use emacs/vi/nano/whatever < 1338753851 382196 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode < 1338753896 101517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338753898 464123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1338753902 322290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly easy < 1338753925 131095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338753946 956130 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as easy as using notepad but remeber to use nano -w (or whatever disables word wrap) < 1338753996 33868 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for future terminal use at least learn basics of vi, emacs or ed < 1338754009 16541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1338754033 296424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKitDFB or Dillo on GTK on DirectFB. Though I guess that doesn't really count as "text mode" any more. < 1338754066 71637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit dubious on how well the banking websites would work on links2 or elinks or w3m or whatever. < 1338754076 905013 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well directfb means you cannot use other terminals when that program is running < 1338754102 363320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be just for special occasions. < 1338754148 743942 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also netsurf has better rendering than dillo if I remember correctly. and website rendering in links2 is not really that bad < 1338754196 219252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a hell to get to build even under X and buiding for framebuffer is even harder < 1338754327 291218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you can't figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode <-- nano is unfit for heavy editing, it doesn't obviously do automatic indentation < 1338754338 400071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even just "copy the indentation of the previous line" like gedit < 1338754393 475861 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. I should have said "if you can't *even* figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode" < 1338754396 550041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When on Linux computer I use vi < 1338754429 486841 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use nano myself. I use either ed or sometimes vi < 1338754557 204577 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I would be forced to choose between emacs and nano I would choose nano < 1338755373 498756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO < 1338755383 449978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have just figured out what callCC is on about < 1338755384 648435 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338755384 648548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338755384 648592 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338755384 648633 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338755400 725782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses what its output is going to be used for to find its output < 1338755421 935158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am I wrong?) < 1338755478 539773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomplete, perhaps. < 1338755911 134322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should read my explanation! < 1338755939 909016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9050725/call-cc-implementation or just read http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/12/mother-of-all-monads.html < 1338756020 665370 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I reimplemented `WeLcOmE and properly this time < 1338756031 462719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1338756053 883975 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackev/bin/WeLcOmE < 1338756056 328707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /hackev/bin/WeLcOmE: No such file or directory < 1338756064 991780 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/WeLcOmE < 1338756067 189703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())" < 1338756099 380527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756101 685847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ: not found < 1338756126 228864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I can't believe I wrote all that spiel on continuations. < 1338756130 46723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so long. < 1338756171 939065 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/ï¼�-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756174 417763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756178 771382 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what did you try to execute? I only see blocks < 1338756184 579725 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756186 565097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE what? < 1338756187 470065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ WELCOME | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/ï¼�-～/; y/ /　/' < 1338756196 715703 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME foo < 1338756199 429337 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1338756200 275087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338756200 275297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhAt?: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1338756204 697139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756207 955262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴï¼�　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：ï¼�ï¼�ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲＧï¼�ＷＩＫ < 1338756242 345079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1338756247 616236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last letter is shaved off < 1338756255 133158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just removing all the spaces? I can hardly see them anyway < 1338756292 915817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ï¼¹ï½�ｙ，　ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ　ｔｅｘｔ． < 1338756297 743169 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what letter? < 1338756302 222071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｍｙ　ｆï½�ï½–ï½�ｕｒｉｔｅ． < 1338756309 758174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that Python WeLcOmE is so overcomplicated. < 1338756311 772832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome foo | python -c "print ''.join(c.upper() if i%2==0 else c.lower() for i, c in enumerate(raw_input()))" < 1338756315 393671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FoO: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1338756317 387385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the I of "wiki" < 1338756327 843072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also wrong, since it alternates on non-alphabetical characters. < 1338756339 379110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That omits the "foo: ". < 1338756346 193125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, good point. < 1338756354 727797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME \"$@\" | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/ï¼�-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756357 292078 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756369 552864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ ais523 < 1338756372 781584 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴï¼�　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：ï¼�ï¼�ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲＧï¼�ï¼· < 1338756376 476253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1338756377 145600 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338756379 359045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wEå¾—ã‚‹COMEEå¾—ã‚‹å¾—ã‚‹iOTTAå¾—ã�¬DiOå¾—ã�¬ï¼� < 1338756388 282650 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME \"\$@\" | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/ï¼�-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756390 642888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756400 725181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1338756401 883270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338756405 635767 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756409 55715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＦＯＯ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴï¼�　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：ï¼�ï¼�ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲ < 1338756519 499467 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://i.imgur.com/NMQKb.png < 1338756557 585378 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok < 1338756598 249077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out our wiki, ESOLANGS.OR.DIE. < 1338757408 730733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, --- AAAAH < 1338757442 623450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, callCC is pretty confusing... but useful? < 1338757502 473876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338757505 141425 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 20.7 < 1338757511 631035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338757582 132424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a bug >.> < 1338757663 556615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're the expert on brainfuck variants < 1338757667 791913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there one with callCC? < 1338757720 541619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, seeing as Brainfuck doesn't have local variables. < 1338757726 848058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338757744 247417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm gonna go now, I've got an early morning to wake up to < 1338757747 464069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338758051 712223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338758054 244892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 25.7 < 1338758063 268529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicides less :D < 1338758163 132691 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjout perkele [---] < 1338758187 2831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [---] < 1338758189 842258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 14.3 < 1338758197 475484 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [+++] < 1338758197 641477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicides more! < 1338758200 205890 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 14.3 < 1338758213 389527 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [--->+++<] < 1338758216 62264 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.2 < 1338758222 638586 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [--->+<] < 1338758226 290739 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.3 < 1338758245 137342 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*100<[---] < 1338758247 792216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.6 < 1338758254 339946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (-+>+)*-1 < 1338758257 119696 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 0.0 < 1338758265 629686 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*10<[---] < 1338758268 334158 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.8 < 1338758271 379030 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*10<[---] < 1338758274 245229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.8 < 1338758275 986665 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*255<[---] < 1338758278 780682 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.9 < 1338758307 222399 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>(+)*255)*5(<)*5[---] < 1338758309 811657 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 6.5 < 1338758569 822925 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [->+<] < 1338758572 537154 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.9 < 1338758587 618703 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [->+>+<<] < 1338758590 367514 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.6 < 1338758602 649212 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [-.] < 1338758606 362400 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.9 < 1338758625 464990 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is trying to commit suicide >.< < 1338758730 404209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (--+>+)*-1 < 1338758733 233602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 1.6 < 1338758745 412716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (--+>+<)*-1 < 1338758748 225703 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 13.0 < 1338758761 79913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (-+>+<)*-1 < 1338758765 845074 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 8.3 < 1338758789 328592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shudder (--+)*-1 < 1338758793 987299 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_shudder: 17.7 < 1338758799 382294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338758843 519386 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust null . < 1338758846 400589 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_null: 9.2 < 1338758906 104362 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that one win? < 1338758935 3076 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you repeat piece of code -1 times? < 1338758999 585840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's by tradition equivalent to the maximum, i think < 1338759025 430954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I know that null at least wins agains quintopia_zoom by having it run off the tape... < 1338759026 325718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tradition _may_ have started out as a bug :P) < 1338759081 921214 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (->+<)*-1 < 1338759084 784670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.0 < 1338759089 190542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (-)*-1 < 1338759092 961826 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759098 154011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+)*-1 < 1338759103 73260 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759116 383379 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+>[-])*-1 < 1338759119 104763 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.2 < 1338759124 654641 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+>[-]<)*-1 < 1338759126 655015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tykje (++)*-1 < 1338759127 367216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.1 < 1338759130 330605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_tykje: 16.8 < 1338759134 474047 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+++)*-1 < 1338759138 278562 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759150 850040 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting how a row of + or - can get 16.8 < 1338759166 593721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*5(>[>(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338759169 295870 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 14.4 < 1338759172 918120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (-+)*-1 < 1338759175 413676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338759176 696204 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.6 < 1338759184 267272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+)*-1 < 1338759188 125076 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 18.4 < 1338759192 468559 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++)*-1 < 1338759195 204903 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.4 < 1338759203 475539 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+++)*-1 < 1338759206 177857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.1 < 1338759211 458775 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++++)*-1 < 1338759214 208576 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.2 < 1338759218 695374 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.)*-1 < 1338759221 479297 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 8.2 < 1338759223 277074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+)*-1 < 1338759227 162506 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 17.3 < 1338759241 241718 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+.)*-1 < 1338759245 94508 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.0 < 1338759251 399144 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++.)*-1 < 1338759255 260722 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.2 < 1338759258 625127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*5(>[>(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338759259 573095 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++.+.)*-1 < 1338759261 358087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 14.2 < 1338759263 206368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.0 < 1338759265 758500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't (.+)-1 lose if the opponent does nothing? < 1338759271 519036 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338759290 406409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338759293 180942 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 25.3 < 1338759293 295890 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+>.+<)*-1 < 1338759296 55242 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.6 < 1338759379 644765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: it's interesting how zoom beats dreadnought and slowpoke and skyscraper despite not leaving any decoys and skipping some when it finds them < 1338759491 827885 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So zoom assumes the enemy has decoys and tries to get to the flag immediately? < 1338759593 948173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338759596 732771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338759603 704983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes basically < 1338759615 608220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only assumes the enemy has decoys on long tapes < 1338759636 389188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses a new clear i just invented < 1338759663 112620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even against fast rushes (like space_elevator on short tape) it brings down the flag first < 1338759720 564119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still has some bugs tho < 1338759803 552561 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new clear looks like a fast clear merged with an offset clear repeated twice with different polarities. < 1338759934 685713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :look again < 1338759985 823992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a small fast clear, then a big offset clear...but assumes the decoy/flag won't be certain heights < 1338759991 56847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say < 1338760007 711826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clears for a while, speed subtracts for a while, then clears some more, etc. < 1338760032 648385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the closing brackets are very susceptible to triplocks unfortunately, but i don't know how to deal with that < 1338760223 904384 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's one place in the routine that would be a good point to break out of the clear loop, you can use null brackets {} to create copies of the clear routine inside the routine. < 1338760264 306913 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I dealt with it anyway. < 1338760338 888252 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although zoom seems sufficently complex to make that very difficult to do. < 1338760587 539547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*16])*17])*5(>[(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338760590 29520 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 22.2 < 1338760605 74481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1338760612 98694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338760615 50058 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338760845 372651 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338761150 994697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how does that program work? < 1338761176 648614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: read the conversation above. that pretty much covers it. < 1338761183 694477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, it's a similar idea to counterpoke (the longer it takes to engage with the enemy, the more decoys it probably has) < 1338761205 89485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338761235 378983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other innovation is the assumption that decoys are certain sizes: very small or medium height or huge < 1338761252 511762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a legitimate addition to BF Joust technology that will start showing up in more programs (the counterpoke/zoom thing) < 1338761267 156372 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes maybe < 1338761291 442655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow counterpoke has fallen a lot < 1338761337 233163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect it to fall more < 1338761367 502566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are getting good at confusing it? < 1338761378 220178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator already does a better decoy build (and always has). space_elevator's weakness is its clear (still) < 1338761417 894961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect skyscraper to rise i think. that strategy is hard to counter. < 1338761612 533005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy to counter, just clear with alternating polarities :) < 1338761620 369759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprised nobody had thought of that < 1338761648 957486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, i think i did that at one point a long time ago < 1338761668 709521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator used to clear with alternating cycle lengths < 1338761684 900990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double clear is still in there < 1338761706 408451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with alternating polarity clear is that people frequently use alternating decoys < 1338761710 734585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dreadnought < 1338761734 319201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use alternating decoys any more, they're too vulnerable to people detecting the pattern (even though nobody's done that yet; maybe I should) < 1338761737 93117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so half the time you get the *worst* possible set of clears < 1338761764 61230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather partial to the "a block in one direction, a block in the other direction" pattern, which works neatly no matter what the opponent's clear pattern < 1338761774 215888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in space_elevator i made sure i had an equal number of decoys in each direction, but not with a pattern < 1338761857 455743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder... < 1338761971 378238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how did that bug stay in there < 1338761996 651345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338761999 561553 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 23.3 < 1338762009 371078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeeird < 1338762030 403151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338762033 145792 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338762036 620442 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338762048 674007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you should assume 2 decoys on long tapes < 1338762309 715843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careless_zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338762312 475300 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_careless_zoom: 26.9 < 1338762317 345254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad... < 1338762361 174245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careless_zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*15([+{(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30(>[(-)*15(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*15([+{(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30])*17])*17 < 1338762364 6917 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_careless_zoom: 0.0 < 1338762370 341518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338762382 521569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338762385 393667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1338762386 362638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1338762907 678661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338762913 441745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see why that won't ever work < 1338763301 943248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust impomatic_lessdumb (>(-)*8>(+)*8)*4(>[+++++[-]])*21 < 1338763304 913594 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_impomatic_lessdumb: 24.5 < 1338763350 961429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338763357 339182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds like 1/2 a point of score < 1338763391 19359 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338763500 505275 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how is careless_zoom showing ties for everything? < 1338763544 430050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: syntax error, probably < 1338764122 346146 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338764365 49138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched } after second *60 < 1338765060 735284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338765106 12997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338767748 624034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the Google results for "set fire to the third bar" are really disappointing. < 1338767772 928243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all just corrected to "set the fire to the third bar" and none of them are about serial arsonists. < 1338767830 769595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1338767982 801362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when I fantasise about meeting a girl who shares my passion for burning things I really wish I had a song to go with it, you know? < 1338768029 153749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"burning down the house"? < 1338768098 741552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just doesn't have the romance to it. < 1338768168 771318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Tay Zonday's I'm a hot hot surface baby. I'll get you melting on the carpet like a crispy chicken burger. < 1338768178 58901 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something like that) < 1338768258 849238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...itidus i don't know how chicken works in australia but here it doesn't melt < 1338768352 56740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this is too metaphorical. < 1338768368 611830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to really feel like things are combusting. < 1338768411 650270 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE26.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338768618 892501 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338768673 220299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :waxing | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338769116 33466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this about waxing? < 1338769167 406617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it said waning before < 1338769188 900885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seemed so negative < 1338769756 214903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338770398 883788 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770424 651036 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338770425 725999 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770632 335231 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770732 873697 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is < 1338770755 450450 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hot hot surface baby - Don't be nervous - I can melt you 'till you're dripping - all over the carpet < 1338770782 118332 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hot hot surface baby - At your service - I can hold you 'til you sizzle - like a juicy chicken burger < 1338770818 717836 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338774588 477477 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338774592 450667 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a thought. < 1338774611 210240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1338774630 551043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cannot tolerate such a thing here. < 1338774635 748841 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do algorithms with O(sin(x))? < 1338774641 119339 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do algorithms with O(sin(x)) complexity exist? < 1338774752 131172 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, even better, O(tan(n)) complexity. < 1338774761 61400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would mean it should use < 1 instructions on some input lengths. < 1338774834 793443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably contrive something not very useful < 1338774843 683394 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still O(sin(n)). < 1338774869 243746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that gets arbitrary close to 0. < 1338774869 946784 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it'll sometimes take negative time. < 1338774879 702347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too :P < 1338774898 570022 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(sin(abs(n)) < 1338774904 443886 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what? < 1338774909 235974 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... Doesn't change that at all, in fact. < 1338774911 750192 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1338774913 931494 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it's assumed n > 0. < 1338774919 220518 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean O(abs(sin(n)) < 1338774928 40091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still gets arbitrary close to 0. < 1338774956 492754 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(sin(n) + 2) < 1338774956 603179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you interpret it as + a constant, then it's the same as O(1). < 1338774987 399037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you did < 1338774995 888993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's = O(1) < 1338775091 496289 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1338775163 488757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(hi pikhq_) < 1338775208 177448 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RThh Remind me again why gzip is more than ~100 lines? < 1338775383 678484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me again why true is more than ~3 lines? < 1338775417 467189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GNU hates all that is good. < 1338775454 973593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thinks "int main(){return 0;}" suggests they have a small e-penis. < 1338775469 499751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){return 0;} < 1338775483 412470 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338775489 14141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not valid C99. < 1338775493 303422 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338776497 106297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Software Foundation tends to make large programs < 1338776554 600833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm cheating somewhat by using zlib. But, then, gzip < 1338776564 780797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably make some of the programs in assembly language/machine codes, still GPL licensed, and have those programs in C as well if you are loading them onto a computer where the program has not yet been written in assembly language for that computer. Some such program might include true/false < 1338776569 538798 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s gzip.c (main and a few util functions) is 600 lines. < 1338776580 943240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *just* main and a few util functions used in main. < 1338776602 877140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that include comments and blank lines? < 1338776614 172465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm just using wc -l < 1338776631 725212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I miscounted. < 1338776643 564623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -l says 1,876 why did I say 600 < 1338776670 613225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU gzip's main is an OOM larger than that. < 1338777134 763509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (unsigned short)1 > -1); < 1338777139 519177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1338777250 212002 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338777416 987955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338778073 207065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338778214 87476 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For added perverseness: I'm not even using gzip well, and this is faster than gzip at decompression. < 1338778221 543899 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, using zlib well. < 1338779084 415016 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338779342 275295 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Something") < 1338779344 964679 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something < 1338779355 652779 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338780316 317169 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338782412 890540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c FILE* base = fopen("/tmp/newfile","w"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to open file."); return 0; }; fputs("Hello remote filesystem!",base); fflush(base); fclose(base); return 0; < 1338782415 110601 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338782479 61725 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("^echo @echo fungot") < 1338782479 570344 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i've seen others mentioned here, it can be < 1338782481 228483 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^echo @echo fungot < 1338782497 14924 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("@echo fungot") < 1338782497 574478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: 1 for 1 cds) and buy strange old prog rock band < 1338782499 420836 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@echo fungot < 1338782508 838476 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot < 1338782585 662906 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c FILE* base; char data[4095]; base = popen("/bin/ls /tmp/","r"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to run command\n"); return 0; }; while(fgets(data, sizeof(data)-1, base) != NULL) { printf("%s", data); }; pclose(base); return 0; < 1338782588 8262 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to run command < 1338782621 557907 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("echo Hello world!"); < 1338782623 904591 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338782789 849804 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust narf -><>[+<[]+<]>+<[<+]><+>[<[>]<]><+[>]+<[>>]>-<>[<->++<>]><-[>+]+ < 1338782792 573790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for itidus20_narf: 5.3 < 1338782955 202718 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust narf -><>+[+<[]+<]>+<+[<+]><+>+[<[>]<]><+[>]+<+[>>]>-<>+[<->++<>]><-[>+]+ < 1338782957 967407 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for itidus20_narf: 6.6 < 1338783008 240499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<>"? < 1338783424 18257 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338783434 395279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338783522 737222 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338783694 722676 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338784811 74918 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i saw someone link the dwarf fortress book in another channel.. the cellophane house era has begun < 1338784852 914581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog cellophane < 1338784895 362806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338784901 131619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog cellophane < 1338784936 482186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338784965 439667 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win this round HackEgo < 1338785701 179608 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I just froze EgoBot. Sorry in advance. < 1338785782 569602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338785808 301799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338785832 268231 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-138.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338785889 57800 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338786244 951843 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338786246 350760 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338786249 325152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338786546 707226 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338787011 740058 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338787011 751049 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338787031 349211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1338845637 534405 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845638 738606 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845640 658250 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1338845641 752624 JOIN :#esoteric > 1338845642 279412 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845643 788769 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338845703 528469 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845742 77759 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338846213 388735 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338846260 93013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok um < 1338846269 122460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338846270 751866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have missed something in the design of this DR. < 1338846280 180753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have spears? < 1338846280 549795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I used menacing wooden spikes instead of training spears. < 1338846286 869559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... turns out to be the wrong thing to do. < 1338846296 626807 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1338846324 97982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338846326 687927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1338846382 135287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 dorfs dead, 2 of them soldiers. < 1338846509 762481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 more are hospitalised. < 1338848644 796401 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338849185 851909 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338849589 516084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338849695 574946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338849744 498671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338849754 528411 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338849764 294643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338849985 702929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1338849987 328477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338849995 183296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850024 582330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850092 578475 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850814 939113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the birds' fault http://phys.org/news/2012-06-giant-insects-evolution-birds.html < 1338850818 521912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338850824 4510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a blind LP of NetHack < 1338851072 816654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unspoiled people do not generally win NetHack in less than a few years :P < 1338851082 926468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have to be an awfully long-running LP. < 1338851098 323259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ever win NetHack. :-( < 1338851103 113351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has an unspoiled person ever won? < 1338851106 619040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1338851111 131495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1338851114 132753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a boring game. < 1338851117 691944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, I'm 99% sure they have.) < 1338851120 582059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it is. < 1338851141 155173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crawl > nethack" -- interhack developer < 1338851149 274960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe.) < 1338851208 969011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl has a boring early-game (OK, an incredibly boring early-game) and a fun mid-to-late-game. < 1338851221 73980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 tells me NetHack is more like the opposite of that, so I probably won't play it much more. < 1338851228 385386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except to ascend. I've got to ascend NetHack once before I die. It's a token thing. < 1338851241 112794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never gotten to the Crawl mid-to-late game, so I wouldn't know. < 1338851244 311336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I probably won't play it much more because its early game bores me, that is.) < 1338851247 386686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How far have you gotten? < 1338851247 546655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ascended NetHack atheist wishless, though! < 1338851256 704248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No idea. Not far. < 1338851266 344134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly played it when I was uninterested in thinking or being careful. < 1338851269 342523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you seen the Lair? < 1338851272 586760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338851278 971814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you gotten to the last level of Lair? < 1338851279 131479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got killed by a death yak once. < 1338851285 478328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hydra a few times. < 1338851287 123750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338851293 134946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like, a while ago, man. < 1338851293 672197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:08 No games for elliott (killer=death yak). < 1338851294 797587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338851298 772210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What about the Orcish Mines? < 1338851305 947551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I've been there. < 1338851311 602755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe I shouldn't have gone in so early.) < 1338851321 13034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should do Lair first.) < 1338851328 625956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Shoals, Swamp, Snake Pit, Elven Halls? (Slime Pits?) < 1338851342 365198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swamp -- maybe? < 1338851346 741342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elven Halls -- probably? < 1338851357 811069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, man!!!!! < 1338851360 860419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1338851366 528868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've gone to Elf but haven't gotten a rune? < 1338851377 228456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1338851380 721289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I define Crawl mid-to-late game as "first rune onwards", more or less. < 1338851390 479149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then after the late game is extended. (I've never done extended. :( ) < 1338851394 988193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should ascend NetHack. < 1338851405 77598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Wiz or Val/Sam. < 1338851416 602127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val/Sam has an easy early game, so you could play that. < 1338851416 761353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The furthest I've gotten in NetHack is doing Sokoban in the Mines as a Valkyrie dwarf. < 1338851423 540280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Val/Sam" is like "C/C++".) < 1338851436 260680 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338851437 762352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very boring, except for the part where I angered the Keystone Kops. < 1338851460 264577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack got me out of that situation by having me steal something and then repay the shopkeeper, which calmed the Kops down. < 1338851463 162275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you kill the shopkeeper, the Kops never come. < 1338851465 500315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know NetHack doesn't make much sense? < 1338851492 460033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, < 1338851496 659442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like NetHack. < 1338851498 646873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, $// < 1338851500 631480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338851501 533027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, $/,/ < 1338851510 657515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should play it to the end! < 1338851511 176084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Anyway$/Anyway,/ < 1338851522 466537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the late game in NetHack you become invincible. < 1338851525 827705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Even ais523 said NetHack probably isn't the game for me. < 1338851528 1299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can kill anything by hitting it. < 1338851532 214551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that's boring as hell. < 1338851540 89495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not! < 1338851542 503854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the first time. < 1338851552 627982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play NetHack if they made an analogue of Crawl's sprint mode where it's just the Astral Plane. < 1338851556 599872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe all of the planes.) < 1338851562 81429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The planes are boring. < 1338851567 847937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not the Astral Plane. < 1338851572 530722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Plane of Water is really boring. < 1338851573 32208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane isn't! Or at least it doesn't look boring. < 1338851576 837138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played it, naturally. < 1338851583 377808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta ascend NetHack at least once before you die, man! < 1338851587 134717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 thinks the Astral Plane is the best level, I think. < 1338851598 831494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane is pretty good. < 1338851604 487613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would probably use the Astral Call Bug. < 1338851611 224797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEATER < 1338851611 385190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not. < 1338851628 821703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fixed on the public servers, so I hear, anyway. < 1338851633 340028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And offline play isn't cool. < 1338851642 900869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet you play with terminals bigger than 80x24. < 1338851643 232580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what OTHER patch is applied to public servers? < 1338851643 620739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheater. < 1338851647 241424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yours. < 1338851656 134962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry - I mean - not yours. < 1338851660 76484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you CO-wrote! < 1338851671 598223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I wrote the actual code in it! < 1338851679 207523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it? < 1338851691 85285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask the other person whose name is on the patch? < 1338851699 908095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you'd believe him. < 1338851709 556440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you're cheater_. < 1338851717 620966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Would *you* trust the guy who made YAML? < 1338851739 130841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. :( < 1338851746 224815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice you haven't responded to the hugeterm allegation. < 1338851757 203144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play on 80x24, thank you very much. < 1338851764 547848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get the point of hugeterm. < 1338851765 949740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I wrote a patch for NetHack < 1338851769 763738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get to see more of the map in Crawl? < 1338851786 413038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, or a bigger message area. < 1338851792 452433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In NetHack you see the entire map on the screen anyway. < 1338851793 713814 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338851796 796983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no message area. < 1338851797 432181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But you can also just make the message area smaller to see all of the map. < 1338851801 786301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should let monqy settle this. < 1338851809 287504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338851809 513411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338851814 320103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338851816 201903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy oh no < 1338851816 409897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338851837 256551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask FireFly hi < 1338851839 20151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338851935 305193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Settle what? < 1338851935 532786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338851946 438125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The dispute. < 1338851950 928920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dispuet < 1338852029 872294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What dispute? < 1338852033 484103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338852034 204948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1338852039 913473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you claim there isn't a dispute? < 1338852044 724193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a dispute for monqy to settle. < 1338852044 883724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Who wrote this patch? http://ben-kiki.org/oren/statuscolors/index.html < 1338852050 667914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I meant hugeterm. < 1338852078 346644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What dispute? < 1338852081 507023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both agreed it's stupid. < 1338852088 234829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338852094 396089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is hugeterm stupid? < 1338852108 796111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also, should elliott ascend at NetHack at least once before he dies. < 1338852112 866464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338852116 842443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1338852171 437065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm is stupid < 1338852180 298164 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care whether elliott ascends nh or not < 1338852198 146579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I ascend Crawl? < 1338852206 605793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338852218 627804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Crawl, the "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs!) < 1338852227 710471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know the way to win Crawl is to run away form things? < 1338852228 431588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1338852248 825450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In NetHack, "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs! < 1338852253 241945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the mysterious force. < 1338852259 78634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what that is? :-( < 1338852269 643125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it! I forget what it is. < 1338852275 233051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyway, no, it isn't.) < 1338852278 15392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mysterious. < 1338852278 504741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You ascend to demigodhood.) < 1338852280 308584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the same thing.) < 1338852294 342567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You ascend up the figurative demigodhood stairs.) < 1338852315 683491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know that Debian applies a patch to NetHack that changes the gameplay? < 1338852321 901155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That upsets me. < 1338852324 837115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1338852326 500804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1338852329 673880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 95_enh_engulf_prayers.dpatch patch makes being engulfed a major trouble, so that a successful prayer while engulfed will get you expelled and cause the engulfing monster to flee. < 1338852344 917694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know what the WORST PART OF NETHACK is? < 1338852349 391167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21 < 1338852349 602019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338852350 913785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it? < 1338852355 770985 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.5 < 1338852356 837658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: It's the "wraps itself around you" thing. < 1338852363 724728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote squarelos, "nethack is weird". < 1338852373 916900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wraps/swings/ < 1338852389 324963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The giant eel swings itself around you!" <-- worst part of NetHack < 1338852394 857795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1338852407 754579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instadeath in one turn. < 1338852413 151957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's dumb. < 1338852415 795472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you do one of a few weird things. < 1338852427 138824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like levitate (if you're not levitating) or unlevitate (if you're levitating). < 1338852427 639886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like instadeath effects. < 1338852435 522947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But taking off boots of levitation takes more than one turn! < 1338852446 948161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even starvation.) < 1338852452 762793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also teleport the eel away. Or yourself, unless you're on a no-teleport level! < 1338852456 877347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should just lose HP and MHP a bunch until it's 0 or something.) < 1338852466 394830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic Hit Points? < 1338852470 175497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max HP. < 1338852471 153491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip Points? < 1338852491 216725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowly the things you like become more and more mainstream? < 1338852530 576767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338852537 383051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reddit humour" ":'(" < 1338852559 92945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know there was a time when people on reddit didn't complain about hipsters? < 1338852568 712023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, five years ago. < 1338852577 470638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It wasn't the good old days, though. It was bad in another ways instead) < 1338852587 623129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that bad five years ago! < 1338852600 442715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't *that* bad. But it was still pretty bad. < 1338852605 860181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less bad. < 1338852673 226725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: iv'e never reddit < 1338852681 613314 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy facts, brought to you by monqy < 1338852692 107577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Continue this state. < 1338852708 49555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a pretentous wording. < 1338852710 38790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretentious. < 1338852715 818654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you punch me for saying that? < 1338852719 324346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretentuous. < 1338852722 630724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider yourself puncht < 1338852737 782184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you hate people who say words like < 1338852741 482813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"punch'd" < 1338852742 875001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338852762 190428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puncht" is not "punch'd". < 1338852767 289204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1338852779 131797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about "puncht". < 1338852793 858299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm TALKING ABOUT THE APOSTROPHE. < 1338852805 209424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1338852821 680477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFl'y < 1338852884 687515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[.+](>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15[-]}])%6])*21}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21 < 1338852887 473942 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.1 < 1338852893 701767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338853020 536339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338853462 42004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know jkff from #haskell? < 1338853489 325245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338853493 385567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338853493 613942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they new or something? < 1338853501 888071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1338853511 614532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkff is Eugene Kirpichov (as I just discovered). < 1338853768 547709 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338853895 339983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1338853930 765364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the htrace person. OK. So? < 1338854087 614241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nothing. < 1338854089 626534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's htrace? < 1338854106 562403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks fancy. < 1338854240 317362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854243 250656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 35.5 < 1338854282 800802 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338854304 665807 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338854346 609800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*20>(+)*20>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854349 392040 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 37.2 < 1338854435 614984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the sequel to 2Pac? < 1338854931 873443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1338854943 454054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*25[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854946 340254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 43.4 < 1338854949 746579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338854977 259392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now officially my highest scoring program < 1338854987 830560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks myndzi for the 3pass idea) < 1338855044 160719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work? < 1338855061 29791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 3 pass < 1338855061 421548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What I meant by "so" is, why should I know who Eugene Kirpichov is? < 1338855085 191929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it switches the polarity of its clear 3 cells after the first one < 1338855096 50679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a huge offset for later decoys < 1338855113 576662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I asked about jkff, not Eugene Kirpichov. < 1338855130 536008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: ask ais if this is the first program that increases its offset size the more decoys it encounters) < 1338855166 542651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What? < 1338855171 420777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: @ask < 1338855207 921056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 has anyone before written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338855208 143767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338855233 53093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It might help to give more context than that. < 1338855293 178100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 has anyone before quintopia written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338855293 389670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338855297 114655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE < 1338855429 33714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338855445 145553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338855447 926965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338855459 778921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: huger offsets = better :P < 1338855508 479635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now beats all of Deewiant's programs < 1338855536 918997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi (->->->->->++[+>->]-)*100000 < 1338855539 939892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hi: 0.0 < 1338855545 569854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN < 1338855563 653160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone gotten a score of 0.0 before? < 1338855565 189603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK NOT < 1338855611 262048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338855696 15112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shachafislame < < 1338855698 975888 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_shachafislame: 0.0 < 1338855711 49162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*15](+)*2)*21 < 1338855713 903115 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 41.4 < 1338855734 325951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338855737 295254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338855739 738935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>+)*40 < 1338855740 201398 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338855748 680671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oh:'( (>+)*40< < 1338855751 624221 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_oh___: 0.0 < 1338855756 638948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know the rules. < 1338855772 757336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338855774 954851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1338855776 607456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1338855784 622825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not like there isnt a BUTTLOAD OF DOCUMENTATION :P < 1338855831 902695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to read. :-( < 1338855842 791563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think what I'm saying is a reponse to something you're saying, you're wrong. < 1338855876 404749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you know how to write < 1338855912 459493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR DO I:'( < 1338855943 854122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell david_werecat Sorry, EgoBot actually uses gearlance.c, not chainlance.c (in the same repository; http://git.zem.fi/chainlance/blob/HEAD:/gearlance.c). < 1338855944 61923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338856233 261759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338856236 61536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 48.5 < 1338856239 828438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338856242 863075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'D < 1338856246 18565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''D < 1338856288 217778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i made it to beat skyscraper and it doesn't even do that anymore :P < 1338856346 713438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :"D < 1338856375 432093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'''D < 1338856380 769855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::`D < 1338856382 159434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,D < 1338856388 415545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::;D < 1338856448 292467 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338856451 61087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 49.1 < 1338856457 96985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :5D < 1338856459 211065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats skyscraper again ;P < 1338856901 608037 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338856940 942412 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1338858528 367896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I ascend NetHack? < 1338858540 941605 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack sounds boring to ascend < 1338858547 609154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sacrifice the Amulet of Yendor to Anhur. < 1338858553 713022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the Astral Plane.) < 1338858554 424308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1338858555 957470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which one is Anhur? < 1338858564 496271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Chaotic. < 1338858574 33252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which is the one dwarf valkyries start with? < 1338858576 128868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for which class < 1338858576 288561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to be chaotic if you can manage it. < 1338858582 860946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was planning to. < 1338858584 375194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I don't know? < 1338858587 553761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being good is boring. < 1338858589 887029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not chaotic. < 1338858595 680473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it is? I think. < 1338858597 39119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val and Sam can't be chaotic. :-( < 1338858601 827853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Oh. < 1338858607 252189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have to do it sometime in your life. < 1338858613 800578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to < 1338858621 807604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: YOU HAVE TO < 1338858621 966603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why not? < 1338858627 671755 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds so boring < 1338858635 468454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't want to bother < 1338858646 10433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many stupid things i'd have to do < 1338858674 740129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But have you *seen* the Astral Plane? < 1338858679 68527 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338858687 189369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks fun! < 1338858696 56754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a lot of clearing messages < 1338858712 204746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane: MAXIMUM FUN < 1338858714 39587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use an interface that has multiple lines of messages. < 1338858735 426022 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the astral plane actually fun < 1338858742 780753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the Astral Plane actually fun? < 1338858751 837810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It *looks* fun, and ais523 says it's the best level of NetHack. < 1338858753 648323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So surely it must be fun. < 1338858761 603669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I've died there. < 1338858771 819237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means there's risk! Which makes it fun. < 1338858777 577193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust ais' roguelike opinions; he likes identification < 1338858788 584972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, he clarified that a bit. < 1338858799 57479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He hates Crawl's identification system.) < 1338858807 826291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NetHack's identification system is admittedly much less degenerate.) < 1338858808 688517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he likes nethack's, no? < 1338858809 417656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :VELOX NEB < 1338858818 800678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still don't like it. But it's much better than Crawl's.) < 1338858826 535134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, IIRC dtsund thinks the same.) < 1338858838 442045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know: If you #name-no a scroll labeled "VELOX NEB" "VELOX NEB", you have a 100% chance of writing it with a magic marker? < 1338858845 544890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, writing the thing it identifies to, if you try. < 1338858851 65167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you don't identify it. < 1338858854 195679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What. < 1338858867 64249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bug. < 1338858872 872414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ais523 -- Interhack supports it, after all. < 1338858876 923097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't understand what you said. < 1338858883 307252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ais523 never developed Interhack AFAIK. < 1338858886 556888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338858889 177268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know about #name-no? < 1338858892 432915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338858893 520898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1338858900 663713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know about #name? < 1338858907 695721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It names objects and stuff. < 1338858927 63644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. If you say "no", it names a type of object, instead of a specific one. < 1338858936 655005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can name "VELOX NEB" "maybe scare monster??" < 1338858943 488754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338858944 909941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like { or \ or whatever it is in Crawl. < 1338858949 957545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338858955 876122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think you mean inscription. < 1338858956 961307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl doesn't have naming a type of object < 1338858961 837219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is neither { nor \. < 1338858963 48779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338858969 86753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Crawl isn't the point here. < 1338858970 326806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ is inscription but < 1338858974 702718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it? < 1338858977 776695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ii. < 1338858980 489429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a ``n00b''. < 1338858984 623510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inscription doesn't apply to a whole type of item < 1338858988 261124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338858994 247099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION , knower of more Crawl keybindings than elliott
< 1338859015 262558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you #name-no a scroll labeled "VELOX NEB" "VELOX NEB", you'd think it wouldn't do anything useful, right? < 1338859022 591126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, how do I get past the point where I suicide before finding the entrance to the Mines or Sokoban because I'm bored as hell? < 1338859028 257952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right. < 1338859034 234818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Go on before answering that.) < 1338859038 395889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could do the mines first. < 1338859045 723347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So let's say VELOX NEB is a scroll of wishing. < 1338859063 36400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you attempt to write "a scroll of wishing" with a magic marker, you'll always succeed! < 1338859076 883127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it thinks you "know" wishing, because you #named-no a scroll of wishing earlier! < 1338859084 388235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: nethack=stupid < 1338859093 973436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's dumb architecture. < 1338859102 647067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, how the hell can I do Mines before finding the entrance to Mines? < 1338859112 418395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines are always on level 2/3/4. < 1338859115 613557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wizard mode < 1338859118 449245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is earlier than Sokoban. < 1338859118 608856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1338859119 773849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338859121 62312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get bored before then. < 1338859122 552248 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 55.3 < 1338859125 946380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "or", not "and". < 1338859126 446373 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338859135 268442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whoa < 1338859143 210108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I find early Crawl more boring than early NetHack. < 1338859144 850260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd place < 1338859151 346676 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :early crawl is awful too < 1338859160 168984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, you could play pacifist. That's not boring, right? < 1338859165 358882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:19 elliott: I find early Crawl more boring than early NetHack. < 1338859166 268834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1338859169 529492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what early Crawl has? < 1338859170 970553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o and tab. < 1338859177 289180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True! < 1338859182 448179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even with o I find it more boring. < 1338859184 979739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know NetHack 4 has autoexplore. NetHack 4 is not yet playable.) < 1338859187 726811 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds like a bug that ought to be fixed. < 1338859190 819554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because it lasts for so much longer. < 1338859191 998884 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is totally playable < 1338859193 371223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Of course it's a bug. < 1338859195 395801 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you hit o and tab fast enough < 1338859197 815770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tell ais523 about it! < 1338859202 477046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is not, I tried it a while ago; it's insufficiently polished. < 1338859202 637412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll fix it < 1338859206 124785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was talking to ais523 at the time.) < 1338859206 502960 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? < 1338859207 79475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I play DESu. :-( < 1338859212 759112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play desu wow < 1338859213 359127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And OK, but it's a boringness I can stand. < 1338859215 712759 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooooow < 1338859217 883886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't play Su if you don't want to be bored. < 1338859218 782887 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:where in logs? < 1338859224 56208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: /query < 1338859225 143406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good idea. < 1338859226 120038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :desu is just asking to be bored < 1338859230 279316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate DESu. < 1338859236 766309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I don't play Crawl! < 1338859238 922815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "stand", I mean "phase out".) < 1338859247 134391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Play MDFi! < 1338859262 38101 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, shame < 1338859265 533330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joke is that that's physically impossible.) < 1338859272 911860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's MDFi? < 1338859288 902507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain Dwarf Fighter, the most popular combo. The joke is that Mountain Dwarves don't exist any more. < 1338859295 433585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now everyone plays MiFi instead! < 1338859305 256355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DGCK < 1338859307 740711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millipede Fighter? < 1338859308 446810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Most of the complaints were trivial interface stuff ais523 said he'd fix. < 1338859320 928788 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: joke's it's Dg < 1338859330 638555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: See ??syllogism[2]. < 1338859333 161286 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338859335 114791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Minotaur Fighter. < 1338859351 359955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But it also feels weird in a way NetHack doesn't that I can't quite put my finger on. < 1338859356 70830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think there's still some DgBe in sequell too < 1338859356 541552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack feels weird too, after so much Crawl. < 1338859360 889160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DGBe I mean < 1338859368 362165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:22 2. rob the Ducker (L2 DGBe), killed by the fiery rage of Trog on D:1 on 2008-10-05, with 96 points after 840 turns and 0:03:31. < 1338859370 41455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they were back from when Dg was DG < 1338859375 590510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Trog doesn't like Demigods. < 1338859377 411425 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's normal for roguelikes < 1338859385 374711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:23 1. test the Chopper (L1 DGBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an orc (a +0,+0 orcish club) on D:1 on 2008-05-27, with 63 points after 386 turns and 0:07:26. < 1338859386 858772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventful. < 1338859391 102441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*40[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338859393 910213 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.7 < 1338859398 255067 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: going from one to another does feel weird < 1338859403 304800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does DGBe exist? < 1338859407 125607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Anyway, I'd rather play NetHack than NetHack 4, because I have to win NetHack sometime in my life, but I don't have to win NetHack 4 sometime in my life. < 1338859410 272339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1338859417 184590 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I go back to ADOM after NetHAck, I invariably am insufficiently afraid of doors < 1338859417 540882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:23 2. [cv=0.5-a] rob the Ducker (L2 DGBe), killed by the fiery rage of Trog on D:1 on 2008-10-05, with 96 points after 840 turns and 0:03:31. < 1338859428 810251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if I watch you play NetHack? < 1338859439 231242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ??syllogism[2] exists for the same reason, presumably. < 1338859440 257273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also been thoroughly convinced I don't want to play adom < 1338859444 366578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure. Will you offer HELPFUL ADVICE? < 1338859446 369292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "reason"? < 1338859451 830823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [cv=0.5-a] < 1338859452 184776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old version? < 1338859454 216580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1338859455 265733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" < 1338859461 998736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trunk is the reason. < 1338859464 533308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HELPFUL ADVICE: Scrolls of mail actually take a turn to read in NetHack! < 1338859482 535970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:24 One game for * (dg god!=): DGBe < 1338859488 260001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean on IRC. < 1338859507 361667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, what's the best server in Europe? < 1338859510 807867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe? < 1338859511 72454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAO lags a bit too much for me. < 1338859515 471473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real programmers play on NAO. < 1338859521 759969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAO has the best patches! < 1338859526 862366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I played ADOM for five minutes. I don't want to play ADOM any more. < 1338859527 343378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that one patch that... < 1338859528 855717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: NAO lags for me. < 1338859537 883945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That just means you have to think more about your moves. < 1338859541 703066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you die less. < 1338859550 897087 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think you have to ascend nethack, anyway < 1338859553 385198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Tell shachaf why lag matters even in turn-based games. < 1338859556 240074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (NAO lagged for me too when I was on your continent.) < 1338859563 78270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By your continent I mean Asia.) < 1338859568 18239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lag matters even in turn-based games. < 1338859573 351769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asia is indeed my continent. < 1338859578 76793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurasia < 1338859584 150465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eur continent. < 1338859592 804176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, OK, I'll try NAO. < 1338859598 412399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are Europe and Asia considered different continents? < 1338859600 517272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What char should I play? < 1338859609 589024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Europe isn't a continent. It's just a peninsula. < 1338859611 81243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because "continent" doesn't mean anything. < 1338859617 845982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That depends. You want it to be easy, right? < 1338859621 944814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia#Overview < 1338859627 8609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not necessarily. < 1338859631 922244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I want to have fun, preferably early on. < 1338859638 98893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd also like something not impossible to ascend for a beginner. < 1338859645 852408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, play either Val/Sam for a meleer or Wiz for a magic user. < 1338859646 971779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1338859652 75639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I want to play with the intention of winning, but not be bored out of my skull. < 1338859656 600377 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'twas my first roguelike < 1338859657 139960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I played Val. It was boring. < 1338859661 131816 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's still bloody hard < 1338859663 19546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all boring. < 1338859669 106420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the beginning. < 1338859671 775143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's not helpful. :( < 1338859678 827495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do they get non-boring? < 1338859679 695945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midgame? < 1338859684 268752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1338859692 765244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I might play a wizard. < 1338859697 744899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards can be chaotic! < 1338859697 904703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I've never cast a single spell in NetHack. < 1338859699 922299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good. < 1338859701 669404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How squishy are wizards? < 1338859704 247722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I Learned that "antiquity" is an actual historical period and not just a vague reference to the past < 1338859705 101104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early on, I mean. < 1338859716 129505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the late game wizards can get by pretty well with melee. < 1338859722 888893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early game. < 1338859725 905929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338859728 922283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're not *that* bad. < 1338859736 143078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: reference? < 1338859738 838344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1338859738 997811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They become significantly better if you sacrifice for Magicbane? < 1338859743 430639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is easy. < 1338859745 925535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can NAO be accessed via ssh? < 1338859749 231968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1338859762 393947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia#Overview linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity < 1338859787 705456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I access NAO? < 1338859805 977008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet nethack.alt.org < 1338859807 718881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1338859809 695918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1338859813 215501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRETPASSWORDGOESHERE < 1338859817 232157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1338859818 199910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1338859818 542761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1338859818 831623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1338859819 264293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338859827 511716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I do it. < 1338859839 184848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, there is already an "elliott". < 1338859845 747603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it you < 1338859853 685989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Well, he doesn't have my password. < 1338859856 743396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, haven't I seen you play NetHack before? < 1338859856 902783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's on the high scores list. < 1338859861 671582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see I tried logging on as squarelos and there wasn't a squarelos but then I tried monqy and it worked < 1338859862 483142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...Possibly? < 1338859869 699493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure elliott's played before < 1338859870 414612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was on termcast or something. < 1338859872 101446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh, are you playing too? < 1338859873 188997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a party? < 1338859874 127933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have. < 1338859877 90108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1338859877 942910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People were helping elliott play < 1338859881 220481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: By the way, can I skip Sokoban? < 1338859882 185191 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just here to send you mail < 1338859883 679396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He angered a shopkeeper I think < 1338859887 646324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/plr.php?player=ehird < 1338859890 504826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I angered the Kops. < 1338859890 918012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep. < 1338859895 414838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angering a shopkeeper was part of the escape plan. < 1338859898 493768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a bag of holding in Sokoban, though. < 1338859900 424601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How painful would that be? < 1338859901 691389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I know. < 1338859902 983931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh < 1338859903 497288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not always!) < 1338859907 698262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it's something else.) < 1338859908 962497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.) < 1338859912 435087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amulet of reflection. < 1338859914 837525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reflection i think yes < 1338859915 669549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the bag of holding is better. < 1338859925 599732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you steal from a shopkeeper then pay it back, the Kops will forgive you. < 1338859930 824290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they think they got angry because you stole, see? < 1338859939 901687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're a wizard, and on your first wish you're going to get a blessed greased fixed +n silver dragon scale mail! < 1338859941 368764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since they get angry when you steal, repaying a debt always calms the Kops down. < 1338859945 549452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did the Kops get summoned without angering shopkeeper? < 1338859950 581357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to kill one. < 1338859956 2820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Summoned? They're always present.) < 1338859964 515870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, you can sometimes just pay a shopkeeper off to unanger them. < 1338859969 214184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you stole something. < 1338859969 745047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338859972 535120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1338859978 254779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they get summoned when you steal < 1338859987 6510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, are there loose roaming cops in Minetown? < 1338859987 219698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They were wandering about before I stole. < 1338859990 44575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338859991 485779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can I just use the default options file? < 1338859997 196989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does it have reasonable autopickup settings? < 1338859998 331602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You want to enable OPTIONS=hpmon < 1338860006 627743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because statuscolors sucks? < 1338860012 514494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1338860017 696147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but seriously. < 1338860024 11216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually meant to say statuscolors. But either works.) < 1338860024 645571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I have to use the options file if I want to name my pet, don't I? < 1338860030 89886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860031 619702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can name your pet in-game. < 1338860032 977601 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.8 < 1338860035 390266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1338860047 491523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I'm going to turn off DECgraphics? < 1338860053 25449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! < 1338860063 208495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you turn off DECgraphics, too? < 1338860063 796332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should steal Eidolos's config file. < 1338860066 97929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did. < 1338860067 936761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep. < 1338860077 529059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/s/shachaf/shachaf.nh343rc < 1338860078 387767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I *like* DECgraphics. But it looks weird in my terminal. < 1338860082 760879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the vertical bars don't meet. < 1338860101 941111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your terminal and/or font is bad < 1338860103 32760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does the default configuration file have menucolors? < 1338860105 744514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It is. < 1338860111 272142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so? < 1338860116 443338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *sigh* < 1338860118 408639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :menucolors needs to have regexps explicitly enabled. < 1338860120 320851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just take mine! < 1338860126 497698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean "default" as in "NAO default". < 1338860132 820796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think NAO has a default? < 1338860138 184359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanilla NetHack has no menucolors. < 1338860145 920732 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338860155 887007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Guess what I played a bit of yesterday! < 1338860159 678753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: The answer is Psychonauts. < 1338860168 290466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1338860169 246171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1338860171 192941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, bastard < 1338860173 185908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1338860175 531203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONS=menucolors < 1338860175 931239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" blessed "=green < 1338860176 90567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" holy "=green < 1338860176 975475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" cursed "=red < 1338860177 430889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer < 1338860178 970415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" unholy "=red < 1338860181 133737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" cursed .* (being worn)"=orange&underline < 1338860181 330405 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychonauts? < 1338860190 60084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Guess "u" "r" "wrong". < 1338860203 76597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you know if you use the curses interface, the message window becomes multiple lines? Also everything becomes ugly? < 1338860209 6743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "me mad :'(" < 1338860213 88851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: worth it < 1338860215 119128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have OPTIONS=hp_monitor. < 1338860216 813943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The problem with Psychonauts is that the early game is boring. < 1338860217 913640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that hpmon? < 1338860224 60657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*50[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860226 893658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338860232 207769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860235 62908 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.8 < 1338860239 787681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It gets interesting after you finish the annoying levitation place, more or less. < 1338860244 48874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*45[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860244 358694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does statuscolors not have reasonable defaults? < 1338860246 885416 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 53.8 < 1338860247 276573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fish is a lot of fun. < 1338860253 543215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. It has no defaults. < 1338860259 114841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*35[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860262 127605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 57.7 < 1338860271 140872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know the #name-y artifact bug? < 1338860291 953284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. And I don't want to. < 1338860296 78081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to play NetHack. < 1338860298 65176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to watch? < 1338860300 442824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338860303 245664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the elbereth bug < 1338860307 922111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ~half an hour from now work? < 1338860309 421013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ < 1338860325 126912 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-242.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338860341 618816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure. < 1338860353 913305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I don't like Elbereth? < 1338860369 849161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't not use it, because it'd be purposefully hurting my play. < 1338860379 57561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People have ascended Elberethless. < 1338860379 377964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you make a monqy NetHack conduct that involves no Elbereth? < 1338860382 629766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like not casting meph. < 1338860386 787274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, no shit. < 1338860391 609650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just like how in crawl you do labyrithss and cast meph < 1338860394 754463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That goes under the conduct of "illiterate". < 1338860395 655864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elberethless is probably the least impressive conduct anyone has ever ascended with. < 1338860398 553331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also scrolls and spellbooks. < 1338860400 172145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes. < 1338860400 748247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And T-shirts! < 1338860419 914774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about: VEGETARIAN < 1338860424 944640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That conduct is less impressive. < 1338860428 392788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: GENOLESS < 1338860431 504271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: POLYSELFLESS < 1338860443 18255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Autopickup_exception This seems excessive. < 1338860449 482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with "autopickup,pickup_types:$?!/"="? < 1338860450 969122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338860452 237902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{autopickup,pickup_types:$?!/"=}}? < 1338860470 125686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like to autopickup,pickup_types:$ < 1338860486 493412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all you pick up? < 1338860494 718944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I autopickup. < 1338860502 718075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other exceptions like magic lamps, I guess? < 1338860505 360737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that get tedious? < 1338860516 302433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of junk lying around, "d00d". < 1338860560 822420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember when i played nethack i didn't like autopickup because my autopickup autopicked up corpses while i was fighting < 1338860567 595702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you edit your NAO rc online? < 1338860568 685434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like that < 1338860571 30665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This vi-style editor is annoying. < 1338860593 152686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also remember not knowing about elbereth or anything like that < 1338860597 27823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, you can. < 1338860602 419285 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how to start the quest < 1338860604 627635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.org/nethack/EDITMYNETHACKRCORSOMETHING < 1338860616 672115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to start the quest. But I know Elbereth. < 1338860620 465129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you set a macro up for Elbereth? < 1338860621 68827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how to identify items! < 1338860625 619995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Autopickingup all % is probably a bad idea. < 1338860629 853558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can in Interhack! < 1338860636 469492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wow, there's an online editor that uses HTML forms. < 1338860641 268791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a direct editor. < 1338860641 832767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better play interhack < 1338860643 545508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is too fancy. Too fancy. < 1338860644 458832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but don't use that. < 1338860648 827285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay/ < 1338860650 823483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Okay. < 1338860653 893234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why not?) < 1338860654 786774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or do use it. I don't know.) < 1338860666 219645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it support statuscolors? < 1338860671 958220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know there's a NetHack bug where doors sometimes don't open in one try? < 1338860687 562803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it does. But I'm not going to use it. < 1338860694 66177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ever hear the story of the time I died in NetHack because of not speaking English well? < 1338860700 530804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on. < 1338860704 709253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, if you're a wizard: Elbereth becomes *way* better once you get Magicbane. < 1338860714 945249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I noticed that "the door resists!" meant that it was stuck. < 1338860720 320470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I zapped a wand at a shopkeeper. < 1338860727 108939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it said "the shopkeeper resists!" < 1338860735 241350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought the shopkeeper was stuck and walked over to hit him. < 1338860736 147109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338860748 979840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's adorable. < 1338860765 345778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Weren't you kind of dead at that point anyway?) < 1338860769 140116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, what should I call my cat? < 1338860772 207841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1338860773 293766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can I call my cat "monqy"? < 1338860776 708252 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338860779 464895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call your cat "monqy"! < 1338860781 584778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, does zapping at a shk not anger it? < 1338860782 488461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1338860784 881839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to call it monqy. < 1338860787 411100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call it squarelos. < 1338860787 570501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was already angry. < 1338860793 759612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was at the door; I could've escaped. < 1338860799 303108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is calling it squarelos better than calling it monqy? < 1338860800 487528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote squarelos < 1338860809 507821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338860813 711210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's squarelos ")(( < 1338860823 200659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also, sign up as squarelos. I can't receive mail from monqy, it feels odd. < 1338860830 794603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did that < 1338860844 272420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1338860852 497718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I turn on showborn? < 1338860855 63566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn on showbuc? < 1338860867 901969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's those < 1338860880 589364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: showborn doesn't really matter? < 1338860883 853517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1338860886 437150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And showbuc is good. < 1338860895 989903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how [[nethackwiki:Options]] is ridiculously NAO-biased. < 1338860898 540537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp_monitor < 1338860898 722018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obsolete. NAO used to have the HPmon-patch, but uses now Statuscolors. < 1338860909 338857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338860909 538543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's in the "NAO" section. Okay. < 1338860927 510604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The default rc *does* do statuscolors. < 1338860929 339923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For just HP. < 1338860933 382645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn on the other ones? < 1338860937 10822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NAO": "Not Another Option" < 1338860943 418874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want? < 1338860943 580034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also menucolors. < 1338860954 264436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Sort items by name. One of "none", "loot", or "full" < 1338860954 442825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#OPTIONS=sortloot:full < 1338860954 602728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn this on? < 1338860961 284447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was once going to implement random-rainbow for Hallu. < 1338860964 308114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I didn't. < 1338860968 546184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, man! < 1338860969 534484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love hallu. < 1338860971 880106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Don't you love hallu? < 1338860978 122481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Crawl doesn't have Hallu! < 1338860983 9416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu < 1338860983 714391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, NetHack > Crawl. < 1338860987 54828 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has hallu < 1338860997 667697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk hallu is cute but annoying < 1338861019 980157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack calls MP "Pw"? < 1338861025 623718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for power < 1338861046 769511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you played nethack before ? < 1338861054 191372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Not as a spellcaster. < 1338861057 442388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I colour Pw? < 1338861059 936505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny part is that it calls it "energy" elsewhere. < 1338861062 940152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want to? < 1338861066 752628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as important as HP. < 1338861077 792089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Force Bolt costs 5 Pw. < 1338861083 723850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, in Crawl, MP is coloured and all. < 1338861090 500079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because having low MP is bad. (If you're no good at melee.) < 1338861091 302648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, read [[nethackwiki::wizard]] < 1338861094 767858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: I didn't rest up hp or pw because ugh resting, especially resting in nethack < 1338861095 20991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if you're good at melee sometimes!) < 1338861103 487896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably good. I haven't read it but why wouldn't it be? < 1338861109 44180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. I'm relying on your advice. < 1338861126 279148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some people say wizards shouldn't do spellcasting until after the quest. < 1338861134 49947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: play healer and stone to flesh every boulder then choke to death < 1338861138 938366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum yum < 1338861140 330203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wizard quest is the point where spellcasting becomes really good. < 1338861144 566099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I did that too < 1338861145 215131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1338861147 126145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1338861150 311827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But the reason I want to do spellcasting is because melee earlygame is really boring. < 1338861158 412543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. < 1338861163 208330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: feed half-eaten lichen corpse to pony, make friend < 1338861167 843428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does leaving showborn off cause any irretrievable information loss? < 1338861173 474687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate irretrievable information loss. < 1338861176 552709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. is the info tracked anywhere else) < 1338861183 54376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :') < 1338861188 861780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think showborn only affects post-death information? < 1338861191 913788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sokoban I had about six to seven kittens. < 1338861198 398396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people try and dispose of pets in Sokoban. < 1338861200 564852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accrued more. < 1338861203 817051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. < 1338861210 307037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But is the information on what monsters you killed tracked elsewhere? < 1338861215 436484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, wizards + throwing daggers = mix < 1338861227 852967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wizards + wielding Magicbane (= athame = dagger) = mix < 1338861235 271166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Always pick these: < 1338861235 452082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*magic lamp*" < 1338861235 611297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of wishing*" < 1338861236 896064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of death*" < 1338861238 760482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of polymorph*" < 1338861240 818694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll uncomment these. < 1338861243 308298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The monsters you *killed*? Yes. < 1338861245 408479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I did before I pasted that. That's why they don't have #.) < 1338861246 987335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1338861248 348901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1338861263 258580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS, MAN < 1338861263 957337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who forgot about polypiling < 1338861271 381073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who didn't know about polypiling when he played nethack < 1338861279 690319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1338861284 771370 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who startscummed wizards for rings of polyself then died to system shock < 1338861291 139439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (Is there any reason to autopickup those lamps/wands?) < 1338861297 575312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (I mean, surely I'd know if I stepped on 'em.) < 1338861303 921946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To save you the hassle? < 1338861319 685662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hassle/inconsistent behaviour considering nothing but gold (which is goldified) is picked up/ < 1338861319 963665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*gray stone*" < 1338861337 507469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look, add whatever you want to your autopickup list! < 1338861340 142888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK, I think I'm ready. < 1338861345 136909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But don't add gray stone. That would be stupid.) < 1338861354 298571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: curses interface: http://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/9/96/Expanded-status.png < 1338861354 810838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gold goldified in nethack? < 1338861365 9774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1338861371 100738 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you sure that's not hugeterm? < 1338861374 552345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's glodiferd?? < 1338861380 311695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It is. < 1338861382 332920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Unfortunately. < 1338861384 503870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also curses. < 1338861396 475480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Goldified means that the class of items in question is not present in the inventory and takes up no weight. < 1338861398 343733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :karl is a bad person < 1338861416 197445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, in Crawl, gold is goldified (it just adds to your gold count, nothing else), and so are runes (they just get added to the list of runes you've picked up). < 1338861430 359270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gold takes up weight. < 1338861431 337939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Has it been half an hour yet? < 1338861445 78530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Half an hour *after* we finish talking so I can do the thing I need to do. < 1338861451 710281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't say that! < 1338861456 190530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it! < 1338861460 730803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm not going to let you do the thing you need to do. < 1338861464 707104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to watch me instead. < 1338861509 633485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you hear that? < 1338861555 987609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I gotta, like, go home, man. :-( < 1338861563 506547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know your username. < 1338861568 561736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where are you? I bet where you are is great. < 1338861570 320000 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have thought of that before !! < 1338861572 544266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My username is ehird. I haven't started playing yet. < 1338861576 290475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861580 650707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great! < 1338861586 428874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go home in a moment and watch after that. < 1338861600 881030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNLESS: I decide to do something else instead.) < 1338861605 386553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'll watch for a little bit.) < 1338861606 143005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, go home already. < 1338861607 881555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least.) < 1338861609 817885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861612 569922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean now? < 1338861614 733096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that means now. < 1338861616 641636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338861618 554521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means: < 1338861622 122371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later :'( < 1338861630 379340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1338861663 643743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You'll watch me, right? < 1338861671 528318 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338861683 134817 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had nao open ever since you said you'd play < 1338861684 646435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refreshing < 1338861686 618925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruitlessly < 1338861691 938866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338861705 715568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1338861709 332514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-stats.php?player=ehird Wow, I was diverse. < 1338861724 834776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point i accidentally a button that opened rcfile editing and i closed that but for some reason it closed the connection then when i reconnected i made a squarelos account < 1338861731 881794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=ehird < 1338861733 866056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck? < 1338861737 403117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not played this year. < 1338861741 907752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You pressed ^C. < 1338861755 531025 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338861756 764720 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not < 1338861769 139483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861771 678935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe I have played today. < 1338861774 928913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338861776 198562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year. < 1338861784 362879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One second. < 1338861790 204642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check by watching the ttyrec. < 1338861825 721658 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember you playing nethack but that may have been nh4 < 1338861829 435663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was NH4. < 1338861831 432176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, I'll play. < 1338861834 862785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you prepared??? < 1338861837 431190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338861872 403563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning - Boolean option specified multiple times: autopickup. < 1338861877 718284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETTER FIX THAT < 1338861883 193149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1338861885 742246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started the game anyway. < 1338861887 6434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me quit that. < 1338861890 263235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are lucky! Full moon tonight. < 1338861908 270829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338861922 913827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you playing < 1338861928 842985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizard. < 1338861931 299946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human, elf, gnome, orc? < 1338861933 830640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know. < 1338861933 990016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaotic elf? < 1338861946 615404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check [[nethackwiki:Wizard]]. < 1338861963 623781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, humans seem to suck, gnomes can't be chaotic, and orcs suck at spells. < 1338861964 346237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1338861965 613397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elf, then. < 1338861989 940576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be lawful and wear opposite alignment < 1338861994 241621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ideas (c) monqy < 1338862002 6742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which gender I should be! < 1338862007 922431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1338862014 545404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for optimal game play experience < 1338862026 533615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're female you can lay eggs; that's a boon < 1338862033 171442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can males do anything ? < 1338862035 185510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but < 1338862036 90562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any eggs found and carried by male characters have a 50/50 chance of hatching tame. Eggs found and carried by females will never hatch tame. (Eggs laid by you will always hatch tame, regardless of your current gender.) < 1338862050 324051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In NetHack brass, female characters dressed as nurses can apply bandages faster than men." < 1338862060 736621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks brass < 1338862063 18336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just be male. < 1338862068 295606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm BORING. < 1338862071 917153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ehird the Evoker" < 1338862074 589339 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1338862076 330399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR MANGLING MY NAME, NETHACK < 1338862088 517422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command 'y'. < 1338862089 240578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1338862098 278406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONS=number_pad:1 < 1338862100 110340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a terrible default. < 1338862103 776390 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is controlled exlusively by numpad < 1338862112 983302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"get used to it" < 1338862114 593780 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :TenRantStew < 1338862123 405448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm back on. < 1338862126 115523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: when i played nethack, for a while i exlusively used arrowkeys < 1338862130 499855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i learned vikeys < 1338862161 430342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's interface is so weird, ugh. < 1338862173 300600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you cast spells? < 1338862176 175216 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z < 1338862185 537346 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s a captal z < 1338862185 696479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's elvish eyesight like? < 1338862194 80192 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower case z is zap wand < 1338862194 915202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I guessed. < 1338862203 482020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke time! < 1338862206 549133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you autoexplore? < 1338862213 150937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play nh4 < 1338862239 917269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what's dumb? < 1338862244 979386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's secret corridor stuff. < 1338862258 774914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Now would be an excellent time to send me "hi". < 1338862271 821513 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1338862275 438150 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are playing nethack? < 1338862276 352277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1338862285 913624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I've played NetHack before! < 1338862322 373979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did that mail daemon just... reveal terrain for me? < 1338862332 211033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack: so broken < 1338862381 349973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: OK you have to reduce your frequency of mail-sending because NetHack's UI for it is awful. < 1338862385 981880 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338862393 135801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where the heck is the shop? < 1338862402 384628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may or may not be why i'm sending so much mail < 1338862418 757222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack's ui for mail is comically bad < 1338862427 780184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pick it up and read it, right < 1338862437 96685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: A mail daemon runs towards you. < 1338862441 617032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a scroll of mail ends up in your inventory. < 1338862443 605564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to read it. < 1338862446 713965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't just say < 1338862448 346655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone: hi < 1338862449 64566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says < 1338862464 465470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a message on this scroll. The message is from 'someone'.--More-- < 1338862466 815160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads: "hi". < 1338862474 44746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Where's the shop :( < 1338862478 41950 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338862478 471749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot "as you read the scroll it disappears" < 1338862482 722210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Ah, yes. < 1338862483 921547 :TenRantStew!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :tswett < 1338862499 246333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the black spots < 1338862520 493372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A scroll of mail will "activate" an Elbereth square like any other object." < 1338862530 574009 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is best game < 1338862563 23572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: seriously though < 1338862582 700967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Seriously. < 1338862585 35014 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's red!! < 1338862588 482375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338862590 510699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I retreated. < 1338862591 793429 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tjhat's serious < 1338862599 584943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i played nethack i didn't have menucolors < 1338862606 718586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's statuscolors < 1338862609 58327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't notice when i was dying < 1338862610 11295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is menucolors < 1338862614 634596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow each book contains one spell? < 1338862631 398257 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack books tend to do that,y es < 1338862639 227538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a convenient key like 5 < 1338862639 769327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1338862644 488207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100. < 1338862645 794329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: are you watching me; you should watch me! < 1338862665 778491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how can I tell which corpses are ok to eat ;( < 1338862666 497507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338862671 745262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorisation < 1338862674 923293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont eat kobolds < 1338862679 467383 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're bad for you < 1338862681 254852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not on nao < 1338862681 975136 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338862683 60595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1338862684 506786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i am < 1338862685 668951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ehird < 1338862691 230505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1338862698 129660 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you have to memorize or look up 99% of things in nethack < 1338862701 628310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joke < 1338862706 358456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is: x is examine in crawl < 1338862708 883876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "switch weapon" in nethack < 1338862720 749037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is: it takes a turn and leaves you bare-handed if you have no alternate weapon < 1338862721 109839 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it l or v or something < 1338862722 12918 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nethack < 1338862723 469649 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338862724 769509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :; < 1338862727 527500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :farlook is ; < 1338862731 686204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l is go right obviously < 1338862731 866170 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338862734 218223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is version < 1338862736 568200 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to look up all of the keys < 1338862741 444583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i wear the iron skull cap < 1338862745 237034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338862749 301781 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does patashue play net hack < 1338862763 487326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: where is the shop < 1338862766 256564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously!!! < 1338862766 617225 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play it < 1338862809 13711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: WHERE IS THE SHOP < 1338862834 800963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the black spots!! < 1338862836 839397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1338862839 40329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I HAVE :( < 1338862844 259120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them? < 1338862862 492564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to hear another joke? < 1338862865 746500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's ally management system. < 1338862933 622199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: where is shop < 1338863019 968189 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338863025 862279 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338863027 660265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was that one of your funny jokes < 1338863046 231086 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not giving me much to work with!! < 1338863076 572409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls don't make the jokes TOO funny because I am ｒｅ�ｌｌｙ  ｂ�ｄ  �ｔ  ＮｅｔＨ�ｃｋ < 1338863085 686268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus will have no idea if you are serious or not < 1338863099 313592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the fun < 1338863142 602405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You faint from lack of food. You regain consciousness. < 1338863144 961892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You faint from lack of food. You regain consciousness. < 1338863147 10604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You feel tough! You must be leading a healthy life-style. < 1338863183 262976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you attack pets < 1338863187 746568 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try kicking < 1338863201 40431 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338863206 300831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338863207 202453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that < 1338863211 799639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that < 1338863222 17934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it patashu < 1338863224 773176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to play nethack if < 1338863229 849685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people are watching me be really terrible < 1338863232 218911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it play it < 1338863233 828218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if like 10 people were watching m < 1338863234 186829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1338863239 1972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if #nethack ganged up to laugh at me < 1338863241 324329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the fun < 1338863244 316545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: join #nethack to make sure they don't do that < 1338863252 993031 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be in #nethack too < 1338863255 786798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338863257 796161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im play again < 1338863260 841415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im in nethack < 1338863266 473899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1338863267 460889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre very well behaved < 1338863268 153701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fuglia < 1338863276 833996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice guy < 1338863277 12840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don;t believe youre in #nethack < 1338863284 844668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you join and see for yourself < 1338863285 639238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1338863293 949360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that i can check < 1338863305 620672 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddid you ask someone :( < 1338863308 258630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/irc.php hMMMMMMM i see no monqy joins lines < 1338863338 794849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not going in there!!! < 1338863340 512563 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary < 1338863368 125958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember how ghosts are spaces in nethack < 1338863373 208377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1338863375 335007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse < 1338863376 730871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to fix that < 1338863378 213928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: watch < 1338863381 581500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you missed elliott's first game < 1338863385 80092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was a "blast" < 1338863403 757488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did elliott "explode" in the "blast"????? < 1338863414 236208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploded into a pile of fainted ehird < 1338863423 293132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lack of "food" < 1338863425 146912 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mysterious called him a murderer and he fainted after reading it < 1338863432 388329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I died < 1338863447 364623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they called me a murderer because i kicked my pet so that i could eat it) < 1338863451 583876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think) < 1338863463 529522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-stats.php?player=Fuglia < 1338863465 774523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have only played one game < 1338863468 382631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuXantheres: was it you < 1338863496 962499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Waht are you playing<<> < 1338863497 122322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joke < 1338863499 718260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pets stop travel in nethack < 1338863501 622276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see your "ivnentory" < 1338863508 576094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: male elf wizard < 1338863524 50848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long should i wait to find more corridor/secret doors/etc. before giving up < 1338863524 793810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no \"ivnentory" for you" < 1338863532 873978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not long. < 1338863541 786694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many turns < 1338863544 139456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's inventory < 1338863547 756274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus uncursed wooden harp < 1338863555 960133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg identify!! < 1338863563 513239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1338863566 214141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can elves only start chaotic < 1338863570 662646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know iron is bad for casters, right? < 1338863603 838635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In Crawl only body armour affects that. :( < 1338863663 921413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought you were going to cast spells! < 1338863669 734620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will! < 1338863693 504148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there really no convenient key for resting to recover HP? < 1338863698 17902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from 100. < 1338863698 937903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :500. < 1338863708 715401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :844. < 1338863714 376766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All sorts of numeric prefixes to .! < 1338863723 135304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1338863727 248281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :55. < 1338863727 407296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. < 1338863736 472666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the other room :'( < 1338863738 971179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you coming to visit? < 1338863742 857324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit? < 1338863745 867240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338863761 456430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that visit < 1338863772 495525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, I mean visit me! < 1338863773 219988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I try digging for victory? < 1338863777 526616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1338863779 839463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1338863781 572985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why not? < 1338863784 394230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does thaat work < 1338863785 14404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's boring in the other dimension. < 1338863791 394770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The other dimension"? < 1338863794 162752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not sure ;"9( < 1338863813 172632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you win it's interesting, but you're going to lost right away all the time instead. < 1338863827 912186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds like diving in NetHack. < 1338863829 532378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1338863831 144920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds like diving in Crawl. < 1338863836 978029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except diving is exciting even if you lose. < 1338863837 137995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, my name is eliot, and i'm gonianng to lsots." < 1338863840 816969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338863843 880937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is diving exciting even if you lose in NetHack? < 1338863844 694642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should, then. < 1338863849 296750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1338863849 843427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like diving in crawl if you're bad at diving in crawl < 1338863865 150195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a good way to wait for my pet? :( < 1338863871 101846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, if you get both a pick axe and a musical isntrument, you can try to DfV. < 1338863877 899395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a harp. < 1338863881 230529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Noel.p[e; "9( < 1338863882 154349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apply whistle of come here please < 1338863887 421810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What monqy said. < 1338863890 533590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: On Dlvl:1. < 1338863897 80644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO TO DLVL:2 < 1338863909 383300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This computer program brought to you by: COBOL.) < 1338863914 591929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a mirror and say "squarelos" three times < 1338863915 289905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people just abandon their pets, I think. < 1338863918 777844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's awful. < 1338863921 522451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do. < 1338863922 212401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :D < 1338863925 829306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so annoying! < 1338863935 304167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats' "squarelos" < 1338863936 640683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I love squarelos. < 1338863950 225234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#squarelos, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#monqy < 1338863989 590689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I get in that doorway now that I've shoved a rock in front of it? < 1338863997 137288 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zap force bolt at the rock < 1338864005 919500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1338864028 864266 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of my ol "make rocks stop being in my way" techs < 1338864035 836520 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is to stone to flesh then eat it < 1338864087 816156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a secret tech? < 1338864091 137106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What about: < 1338864098 256007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zap wnad of stkiring at it < 1338864101 188461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864105 491798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply pick axe at it < 1338864106 731944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864114 51397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take off all your clothes and crawl under it < 1338864122 198247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick it until it shatters under the might of your chops < 1338864126 311858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864131 504662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polymorph into a giant and pick it up. < 1338864138 892158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! Become a xorn and walk through it. < 1338864139 51744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorph into a xorn and eat it < 1338864140 395985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum yum < 1338864146 214645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xorns can't eat rocks! < 1338864147 662958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I also complained to ais523 that the dungeon generation algorithm was awful! < 1338864148 920546 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!! < 1338864151 563427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly monqy. < 1338864161 634255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you hear my ring tech < 1338864172 872235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh the ring, then eat it < 1338864173 657347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Zap stone to flesh on a stone ring, eat it? < 1338864175 906155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338864183 934879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is that your everything tech? < 1338864187 123121 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not new to nh4... < 1338864189 616867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you hear: < 1338864192 89025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, it isn't. < 1338864193 578969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338864194 761693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zap stone to flesh on a stone golem < 1338864197 123328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a rock golem < 1338864197 559181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's still true! < 1338864200 526468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1338864203 471650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flesh golem < 1338864205 276296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flesh golem, surely? < 1338864212 737299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rockflesh golem < 1338864214 106745 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zap cocatrice on flesh golem < 1338864234 597645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hallu < 1338864241 240909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh-oh. < 1338864241 974338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864242 848765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1338864244 23697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott = stoner golem < 1338864244 501955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i hit my own pet < 1338864255 531836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes. < 1338864255 775451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you hear my other ring tech? < 1338864258 623319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR PET = DEAD < 1338864260 67950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1338864265 403218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But at least you didn't kill it. < 1338864267 125892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: zap stone to flesh on stone ring, then wear it on your finger < 1338864268 313724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't get wrath. < 1338864270 548953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes in-game name to kmc
< 1338864274 434785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pray if you haven't prayed recentl. < 1338864293 251689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did you have food? < 1338864299 408533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't have prayed if you had food. < 1338864302 810893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn't. < 1338864302 970382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i actually killed < 1338864304 996911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I didn't < 1338864314 72599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1338864316 643580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these actually < 1338864317 551251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1338864324 534764 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect rocks and polypile into food < 1338864331 537482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should play healer so you can stone to flesh < 1338864351 437753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: And then eat it? < 1338864351 731637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooah < 1338864354 72831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338864354 416978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338864357 165532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dyign < 1338864358 96924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HP=0 < 1338864359 376203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also heal squarelos by playing a healere < 1338864366 824156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your... < 1338864376 918903 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you should force bolt more before you start to die < 1338864377 78387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Um, close the door and rest? < 1338864377 78554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip giant bat < 1338864382 495577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't eat the bat. < 1338864386 658642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to. < 1338864387 213130 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also note: you can eat corpses before you get hungry < 1338864396 593524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1338864399 471061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get Satiated. < 1338864405 511226 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338864414 90674 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the corpses will go bad and you'll get foodpois < 1338864416 274388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just Create Monster? < 1338864419 819958 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864422 94265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens if you don't eat the corpses < 1338864427 569345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You feel that eating the little dog was a bad idea. < 1338864428 104358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338864436 61261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't eat little dogs. :-"( < 1338864438 531796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why you stone to flesh on rocks < 1338864439 490462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1338864441 263305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: Little cats :(9 < 1338864441 556081 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feed them to dogs < 1338864441 875534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it < 1338864446 591546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was my < 1338864447 28550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed the rocks to the dogs < 1338864447 675438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1338864449 161238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed the dogs rocks < 1338864451 657145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338864452 565328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1338864453 466544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338864453 975091 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864454 732291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened!!! < 1338864458 533824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i lose piety < 1338864459 431462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1338864462 215257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get penance < 1338864462 750953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1338864463 654579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1338864465 502559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("crawl") < 1338864485 878217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a serious answer!!! < 1338864489 353006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to play if i only get < 1338864490 76476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jokes' < 1338864492 885543 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: jokes': not found < 1338864527 560047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (seriously what happened) < 1338864528 641897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (^) < 1338864534 105199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You now have the "aggravate monster" intrinsic. < 1338864537 482979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER < 1338864547 491356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1338864549 793108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eating dogs is bad for your alignment or something < 1338864551 718613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just check the wiki. < 1338864556 791705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did. < 1338864560 211443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you asked. < 1338864562 780386 :augur!~augur@96.231.203.58 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338864567 677633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Aggravate_monster < 1338864577 799447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you leave no cues whatsoever as to whether your answers are serious or not, making asking you pointless. < 1338864594 475844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338864609 59673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, now you know. < 1338864610 597675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this intrinsic looks annoying. < 1338864614 393260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'll have a stupid death now. < 1338864621 504503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dive for glory < 1338864628 630306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have a digging tool. < 1338864631 375105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat zombe < 1338864647 888337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't eat zombe < 1338864652 815547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat zombe < 1338864659 922061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338864660 812293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombe eaten < 1338864662 621774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's try that again. < 1338864669 33253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I won't eat a dog or a cat. < 1338864709 72692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why does NetHack feel so klunky? < 1338864711 286335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clunky < 1338864744 181460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338864879 437018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Read-iding scrolls is dumb, right? < 1338864928 918313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is meleeing acid blobs. < 1338865049 222112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you enjoying my nethack adventure < 1338865126 573634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1338865133 438946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338865134 704238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what is this < 1338865136 156160 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338865136 817327 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338865162 641909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are shachaf and monqy ignoring me :( < 1338865209 264949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gone < 1338865212 220097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im aback now < 1338865220 791206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the gnms and duarf? < 1338865232 908169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a "force bolt" < 1338865252 385107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant the weird level layout but yeah that too < 1338865263 110411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338865265 226089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiency < 1338865267 677488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force bolt "op" < 1338865288 67255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok to eat corpse < 1338865295 878102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok to wear hooded cloak & do i want to < 1338865313 189744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338865322 37961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so / i think so < 1338865328 113962 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ i think so < 1338865343 903769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who knows nethack!!! < 1338865360 126278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard shoes are iron < 1338865360 667922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338865366 782610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know enough nethack to make funny jokes and give mediocre earlygame advice < 1338865372 906729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooded is dwarvish < 1338865385 950396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1338865387 439476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i didn't even know those things < 1338865388 662637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already wearing a cloak < 1338865397 381954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see green * < 1338865398 284100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1338865402 479097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaAAAHHHH giant spore < 1338865414 711517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things that i know about nethacjk: negative ac is good ac < 1338865415 15453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUARELOS < 1338865415 206811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1338865420 214593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did squarelos do < 1338865431 797996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought a hwarf < 1338865434 213744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why you should be a healer < 1338865435 408495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1338865436 389182 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heal squaelos < 1338865438 164288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like qwarf < 1338865439 789954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, THAC0 < 1338865443 495107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for nethack < 1338865449 151246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you laughing < 1338865451 971159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338865456 345376 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mess < 1338865458 124924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1338865459 568187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338865460 651465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mess < 1338865469 417806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a better level layout than most levels < 1338865489 343509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the mines or something!!!! < 1338865494 245517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1338865496 431382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so many Gnomes and hwarfs < 1338865515 384305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt see you enter the level, but i do know the mines have that laoutt, and Gnomes, and huarfs < 1338865517 861783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1338865518 942458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typed < 1338865520 383067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :520. < 1338865521 186076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mistake < 1338865522 296785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1338865524 320237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 for rest < 1338865541 811835 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat corps (jokes' it'll foood poison you) < 1338865547 100673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's gone anyway < 1338865548 77812 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip corps < 1338865560 222435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is use-iding amulets bad < 1338865564 923597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangulation < 1338865577 871999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps im gone again i'll be back soon < 1338865931 990755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you back < 1338865998 698640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find dungeon feature '>'. < 1338865999 785213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1338866002 927106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ??? < 1338866013 587597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im back now < 1338866020 749439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were downstairs before < 1338866036 561506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they get covert up < 1338866067 3605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338866067 906977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1338866080 728091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1338866081 817597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the mines < 1338866083 439902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338866086 876134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i won't enter the mines immediately < 1338866088 685193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you ready for me to < 1338866089 770708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`play again' < 1338866092 758728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: play: not found < 1338866093 584321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually < 1338866094 357670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye' < 1338866095 35421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a bit of fun! < 1338866097 55396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a nethack first for me < 1338866133 3445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im paly < 1338866189 220428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imagine playing nethack without colours or travel < 1338866223 951906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip squarelos < 1338866227 61751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"missed but not too much' < 1338866228 141206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1338866266 293790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip squarelos < 1338866270 446543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"missed but not too much" < 1338866309 326417 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine playing nethack < 1338866323 623636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nethack isn't too bad c'mon!!! < 1338866328 48880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just silly < 1338866329 715388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very silly < 1338866338 111927 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338866421 647466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look at berry's game < 1338866423 276663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he DOING??? < 1338866441 193200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nao or what < 1338866443 337842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338866475 417860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE ARE THE DOWNSTAIRS ???? < 1338866482 830482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were here a moment ago < 1338866491 735144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338866492 964280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went down them < 1338866499 477625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait now < 1338866500 567998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1338866538 713933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow berry's more message is in < 1338866539 255204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1338866543 584686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1338866597 495655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was away. < 1338866602 441672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now yuo're not < 1338866605 331645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died in mines! < 1338866609 541160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise it was mines though < 1338866616 38433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected it might be < 1338866619 566357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't realise i;d entered mines < 1338866620 208760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read-iding scorolls is dumb "( < 1338866624 160400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338866627 418747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you id scrolls then! < 1338866629 582163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1338866630 308802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget < 1338866633 394375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You id scrolls with < 1338866634 194373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1338866635 61847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls < 1338866638 909517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shope < 1338866639 269261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARADOX < 1338866640 507833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you id id scrolls!!!! < 1338866645 541070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: id id id scrolls < 1338866650 524445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help - me < 1338866652 94402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, you do it with a shop.) < 1338866655 595408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or with statistics! < 1338866662 25343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ID is the most common type of scroll. < 1338866687 896552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i want a looking glass < 1338866790 818153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not wear unidentified magic boots without curse-testing them first. < 1338866791 720682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh00ps < 1338866831 875578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya goo"00"fed < 1338866845 163245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goo00fed < 1338866848 416125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i tell whether staircase goes to mines < 1338866851 343525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i < 1338866882 211615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knights can identify all weapons and non-magical armor from the beginning. They also have a special intrinsic ability to #jump like the knight piece in chess. < 1338866882 421869 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is berry ooze farming < 1338866894 748992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this is like ??implemented bad ideas < 1338866899 665654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the second sentence, I mean) < 1338866917 412154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i watched Wooble do what appeared to be pudding farming on the planes once < 1338866931 741992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do curse-testing on altars. < 1338866933 634977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sacrifice or something < 1338866937 428191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah i know but < 1338866940 137371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :staircase question is more important < 1338866945 92320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question? < 1338866953 128759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:27 how do i tell whether staircase goes to mines < 1338866959 589912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try both of them. < 1338866968 141282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that has the mines on the other end < 1338866968 311494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this mines < 1338866969 977412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes to < 1338866971 813988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines. < 1338866973 936479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not mines. < 1338866976 635578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a room. < 1338866978 109992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey - me < 1338866985 556642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good to do some more dlvls before mines i don't know what the < 1338866987 909527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"accepted wisdom" < 1338866988 267484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1338866996 892395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only ever did mines as a gnome < 1338866997 74195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338866998 922972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were kind of boring < 1338866999 598221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a good idea to always go down-and-right-back-up when you see a staircase, so that you know where it is on the level. < 1338867004 181859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you need to find it from < 1338867006 354339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the other side" < 1338867020 633516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mines-first or Sokoban-first are both accepted wisdom. < 1338867020 793072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crawl wisdom too but it's boring so i don't do it < 1338867042 31778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, assuming I do Mines first, do I go into Mines as soon as I find the entrance? < 1338867047 73973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, accepted wisdom is not to go past minetown. < 1338867048 858650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I level up a bit in the dungeon first? < 1338867052 518431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are nasty things down there. < 1338867057 226997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Either way. < 1338867059 536530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, I think. < 1338867067 474369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mines are OK for leveling pre-post-minetown. < 1338867093 623742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A blessed potion of see invisible shatters!--More-- < 1338867095 249350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wh00ps" < 1338867101 810521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force_bolt_on_monkey_unreasons < 1338867110 947976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i avoid being hungry all the time < 1338867114 565083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont answer eating ill kill you < 1338867147 332498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is reading unid'd spellbooks ok) < 1338867185 876157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1338867188 456670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might teleport and paralyze you < 1338867190 39669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time < 1338867216 950696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: query of seriousness level!!! < 1338867224 991118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im serious < 1338867235 794551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes if i had no other escape options i'd use a spellbook < 1338867237 502478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im lame" < 1338867248 682657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn';t know about elbereth < 1338867252 335480 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spellbook is cooler anyway < 1338867253 675037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I _think_ it's safe if you're a wizard, it will warn you if it's too difficult < 1338867272 922696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Boots does "2 AC" mean "-2 AC" < 1338867283 44945 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try them on < 1338867283 988178 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see < 1338867291 884703 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im gone oops < 1338867295 939747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will be back" < 1338867335 555694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does mean -2 AC < 1338867368 861113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are laden with moisture and can barely breathe! < 1338867369 970776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338867386 35463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite messages like "You are laden with moisture and can barely breathe", they are not very dangerous because of their low speed. < 1338867386 614178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338867404 857341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AD&D-style AC is ludicrously confusing like that, and unfortunately Nethack was inspired by AD&D mechanics. < 1338867420 902903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should watch me!! < 1338867422 166749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fumble < 1338867423 613294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hilariously" < 1338867463 167781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(special one-time only offer: if you start watching, you can decide whether I do Mines right now or more Dungeon first!) < 1338867703 964027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The DevTeam does not consider the lack of any warnings about hitting a floating eye to be a bug.[1] The encyclopedia entry does warn even unspoiled players of the danger." < 1338867733 339097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one nice thing about ace < 1338867739 78522 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more e yasds < 1338867742 111468 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not blue es anyway < 1338867745 712048 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :grays are still dangerous < 1338867779 327662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ace do? < 1338867787 568166 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just cause you to miss them < 1338867811 313089 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than basically kill you < 1338867814 177130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You should also watch me!!! < 1338867859 952268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1338867861 361513 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better things to do, sorry :( < 1338867863 228368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i call an orange potion < 1338867867 293130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338867876 450485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that hurts me in the part of me that hurts :'( < 1338867908 682925 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's called the pituitary gland < 1338867922 15748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hurts me in the pituitary gland < 1338867932 459696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get it removed < 1338868170 638140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate a zombie < 1338868172 625862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyy < 1338868282 256892 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1338868287 333444 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dywypi? < 1338868379 935546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nope < 1338868380 660851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prayed < 1338868388 751449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion_reasons < 1338868392 392949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i can't < 1338868392 754117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1338868396 46356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :appending _reasons to things < 1338868401 141196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey i got a pickaxe < 1338868409 192114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are carrying too much to get through. < 1338868409 551659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338868411 394873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm an elf < 1338868413 743609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elves have that a lot right < 1338868467 801306 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338868472 500972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they did < 1338868474 715525 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fixed point < 1338868479 246545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's no carry warning on my screen < 1338868480 15662 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :above 600s I believe < 1338868482 688471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i drop stuff or something < 1338868517 230427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You step onto a level teleport trap! You feel a wrenching sensation. < 1338868517 770511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338868566 902100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1338868567 804003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trap door < 1338868573 967699 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338868601 477177 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2^(x+2))^2=(2^4)*4^x < 1338868661 508132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think I fell to minetown < 1338868669 978858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1338868671 68398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient < 1338868687 492924 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1338868703 1187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1338868707 567863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's no less contextless than what you said :) < 1338868776 695319 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to resume my game < 1338868780 81375 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed vlad last time < 1338868783 807005 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vladbane was awesome < 1338868801 657007 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to use a kickass vladbane k? < 1338868827 182446 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the book Number Freak a while ago, and a thing it mentions is that 16 objects can be arranged into a 4*4 solid square or a 5*5 hollow one. < 1338868846 399446 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that this is because 2^4=4^2. < 1338868921 876507 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said that this was unique, and for the form a^b=b^a;a!=b, and it is, but I wanted to find a way to generalise it, so I did. < 1338868925 571142 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it often the case that a^b = b^a ? < 1338868959 956463 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang... if i was a better mathematician i may have realized to note a!=b < 1338868978 415386 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338868992 249948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you miss my interestingness < 1338869003 535973 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget to remember that part sometimes. < 1338869042 199290 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head, it is implied by the use of a and b that a!=b < 1338869094 929066 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it would be more optimal to say a^a=a^a rather than a^b=b^a;a=b < 1338869114 955714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: except that that would exclude all the as and bs that aren't equal!!! < 1338869175 736782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see here a small mimic corpse (5 zorkmids). < 1338869179 352900 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the difference between a mathematician i suppose < 1338869181 74844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to charge me for the corpse of the mimic I just killed? < 1338869187 360403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you, Pemboeang. fuck you. < 1338869282 352915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo help < 1338869291 900098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I angered izchak by destroying his door in the process of killing a gnome wizard < 1338869296 52110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: help :'( < 1338869312 268291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh at least he killed the mimic though < 1338869494 697633 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: so yeah, is it often the case that a^b=b^a;a!=b ? < 1338869508 840488 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just in the case of {2,4} < 1338869613 584905 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what fallacies i commited by saying "or is it just in the case of {2,4}" < 1338869631 142622 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not. < 1338869646 678786 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would i say..... < 1338869727 297853 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a in {2,4}; b in {2,4}; a!=b < 1338869734 621397 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like so? :D < 1338869742 622410 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1338869749 980713 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good enough for me < 1338869792 252377 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. sighs < 1338869818 54307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338869819 316350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: help < 1338869856 46087 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The I tihnk it's that 2^2 = 4. < 1338869869 82491 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^b=b^a;a!=b iff a ∈ {2,4}; b ∈ {2,4} < 1338869879 118021 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in either case it's 2^2^2. < 1338869881 631085 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah.. the symbol went unicode < 1338869912 568554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"went Unicode" < 1338869935 861802 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't really trust unicode to show up < 1338869937 266695 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With other values I tihnk there's a solution, jsut not an integer one. < 1338869971 527337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi im baakc < 1338869991 482954 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, or something like that. < 1338869994 567321 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALso hi. < 1338869995 523859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah 16 = 4^4 = 5 * 2 + 3 * 2 < 1338869999 319959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i angered izchak by blasting his door in the process of killing a gnome wizard < 1338870000 975397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was on the door < 1338870007 346108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he killed the small mimic for me but now he's killing me :( < 1338870013 63213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't want to kill izchak (not that i could) because "karma" < 1338870034 694283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In all other cases, you can pay him 1000zm for a 2/3 chance of pacifying him." < 1338870037 982292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't have 1000zm < 1338870039 787796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of a while ago < 1338870039 946988 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :∈ < 1338870043 578156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338870043 737816 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338870044 487563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338870058 848734 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338870063 418991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldnt v killed that nome < 1338870103 564019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have killed it with melee you mean < 1338870105 910161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway help < 1338870106 997856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i do < 1338870118 561082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1338870125 467707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338870129 79161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blasted izchak's door < 1338870139 49456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not being in izchak's shop < 1338870156 362095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1338870166 768718 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: ah so its the only one with an integer solution? < 1338870188 680800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pakka pakka shield < 1338870201 404014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1338870203 812227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: time to try again!!! < 1338870204 716780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi is fun < 1338870206 271029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know < 1338870242 621616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to enjoy nethack < 1338870261 64977 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends MDude a tetris variant with only one tetronimo.. the [][][][]
< 1338870274 180904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you can enjoy it again!!! < 1338870275 341765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the interface got to me, then i learned about all the horrible things in it < 1338870280 730145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its just < 1338870282 231597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same < 1338870299 303156 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather â–¡â–¡â–¡â–¡ < 1338870308 424359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Marduk, the creator, is mentioned in the introduction text. He created at least the Mazes of Menace, and probably the entire universe. Aside from that, however, he plays no part in the game." < 1338870315 519740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the thing with nethack is: "not taking it seriously" < 1338870328 607863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there has to be SOME game that's horrible < 1338870334 61896 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 4.1 without 5 < 1338870340 767911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my 5 < 1338870350 380107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could macro up a 5!!! < 1338870352 578868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not like 4.1 < 1338870355 507578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1 is way more punishing wow < 1338870360 832638 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1338870365 984815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1338870370 881030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create 4*4 solid squares or a 5*5 hollow ones with that tetronimo using tetris rules! < 1338870388 352137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuuumb < 1338870413 68060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to play nethack quickly < 1338870422 259930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an important question < 1338870455 91825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "Elbereth" < 1338870456 26143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "htereblE" < 1338870469 109754 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So thou though thou couldst kill me, fool?" < 1338870470 502124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: probably but you playing quickly always happens when you're not having fun < 1338870474 935558 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes, or the only one where the solution, a, and b are all integers anyway. < 1338870477 508460 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h. tereble < 1338870482 417872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elbereths true nature revealt < 1338870484 544097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose which spell to cast: finger of death < 1338870488 131717 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kill the Wizard of Yendor! < 1338870499 722419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it happens when im having fun too < 1338870504 559302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nope < 1338870523 483187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1338870526 382872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not all the time < 1338870532 987295 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas when im not having fun i tend to play fast < 1338870549 74094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. squarelos < 1338870550 680475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fine i;'ll play some nethack whatever < 1338870556 175225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i didn't mean now!! < 1338870561 718518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is hte time to watch me play nethack "a sacred time" < 1338870580 708030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even send me lots of mail!!! < 1338870606 221197 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871086 994988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: where shop < 1338871100 889256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere shop < 1338871128 574329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is > < 1338871134 241106 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere > < 1338871349 689082 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I read " You kill the Wizard of Yendor!" it all clicked < 1338871581 572971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338871651 967267 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871812 930104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it does not seem like you can convert a lawful to chaotic altar? < 1338871814 558232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only cross-aligned < 1338871829 904227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thgat is cross-aligned??? < 1338871835 449796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338871865 697851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha take that < 1338871866 968730 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338871881 691707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338871883 140747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: now i pray right < 1338871890 635041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that < 1338871892 79799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not enough" < 1338871904 286297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopeful feeling sounds good!!! < 1338871916 353348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont pray for it < 1338871922 418833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you get it from an offering < 1338871924 453892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can pray, have positive alignment and your god is not angry you generally have a chance of getting an artifact. Your level must be greater than 2, and your luck must be nonnegative. If those conditions are met, the chances of your getting an artifact are 1/(10 + 2 × Number of existing artifacts × Number of gifts granted by your god): < 1338871925 32184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338871926 996736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can pray" < 1338871935 760326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does my artefact likelihood decrease over time < 1338871937 749617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can I sacrifice < 1338871941 156067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at my leisure" < 1338871942 895381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1338871956 90820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1338871969 826110 :djx!~djx@112.4.75.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871998 558536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338872002 75083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not carrying around corpses reasons < 1338872003 702928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome djx < 1338872006 700038 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :djx: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338872011 79104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: let's try that again < 1338872017 589146 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you die < 1338872025 871880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338872027 316076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss it < 1338872029 321581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you < 1338872043 504974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NR 9 < 1338872066 94035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joek < 1338872067 18360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joek < 1338872067 926181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke < 1338872093 738187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke < 1338872101 116101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is < 1338872102 98414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i < 1338872106 254208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually forgot in the process of asking that < 1338872116 826264 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that all the time < 1338872135 996500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally find it a surprising event when i am like you in some way < 1338872142 853485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you are a good cat < 1338872153 333193 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try and provide a good analogy just to make sure < 1338872238 198897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: where > < 1338872255 239490 :djx!~djx@112.4.75.18 PART :#esoteric < 1338872263 773253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere > < 1338872288 160702 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an announcer was going to present the next performer to the stage, and he had the name in his head, but then he focused on saying "folks.. this is what you've all been waiting for.. the great, the wonderful, the magnificient.." and then forgetting the name < 1338872302 839592 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1338872360 749265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nice chaotic altar < 1338872362 377000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- elliott < 1338872371 15525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338872377 383895 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a better analogy would be.. "what i'm about to tell you is really cool but i have to warn you that it could be distressing.. oh and also i cannot take all the credit for it, but the idea just occured to me.. so as i was saying" ... "i forget" < 1338872382 56797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no squarelos < 1338872383 151027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't eat < 1338872384 588550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jackal corpse < 1338872385 308563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1338872396 253450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgive you because you are a cat < 1338872427 94910 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is he a god cat < 1338872470 247020 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when i played nethack: i didnt knowa bout #pray < 1338872474 922305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~note altar on D:2~ < 1338872477 629454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's probably more like how all humans inherently have a lot in common < 1338872480 788906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you were playing: hard mode < 1338872489 588450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist elberethless < 1338872536 301830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!! < 1338872543 214645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it took too long < 1338872569 889149 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting something due to waiting too long to say it is probably just a human thing < 1338872592 189364 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but habitually delaying saying things for too long is something else < 1338872621 868046 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338872656 800315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good corridor < 1338872672 186575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to do mines soon < 1338872674 352580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be exciting! < 1338872681 470484 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my joke was: he puts the "oh man" in romance < 1338872729 808372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me! < 1338872742 630011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to join one team because of the backstory, but a different team has a better logo! < 1338872748 394835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go team a" < 1338872756 733012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of team < 1338872760 17199 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of backstory < 1338872761 205776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of logo < 1338872763 277364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, factions in Planetside < 1338872766 133991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go team @" < 1338872783 614667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's that < 1338872794 541603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, MMOFPS < 1338872804 497057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VANU SOVEREIGNTY – A technocratic faction that believes humanity can only evolve by rediscovering and tapping the lost technology of the Vanu." < 1338872804 870677 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a dice roller bot? < 1338872805 127099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmofps < 1338872812 787686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^like the backstory < 1338872816 230007 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^die roller < 1338872835 103801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: `mines time' < 1338872838 206988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes < 1338872839 112731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1338872839 476152 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338872841 906953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the logos: http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/gameinfo/empire_Sprite.png?v=131.4 < 1338872842 166500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rolls a 1d2 < 1338872842 568733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1338872844 779131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2 < 1338872844 985401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2 < 1338872848 632112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also that < 1338872849 839256 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh cool thanks < 1338872859 261585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which of those do you like < 1338872862 65504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From top to bottom, Terran Republic, New Conglomerate, Vanu Sovereignty < 1338872866 602737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the NC logo < 1338872867 209485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the invisible leprechaun's presence is known to you.--More-- < 1338872867 793008 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suggest you first roll for initiative before rolling to determine which team < 1338872868 295975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1338872893 804121 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really played d&d though so just making this up >.< < 1338872898 321074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the NC uniforms suck, VS logo rules < 1338872901 524043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whoaoaoh help < 1338872903 80462 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roll on whether you should roll < 1338872903 897119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, VS uniform rules < 1338872911 163304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VS logo sucks and the NC logo rules < 1338872911 865682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go VS < 1338872926 462630 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what did doyu DO < 1338872926 665545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go NC < 1338872929 828365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bat < 1338872941 610970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338872942 861815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by bat < 1338872945 151283 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok look at the metadecision.. what sort of players will go with VS, and what sort of players will go with NC < 1338872958 589498 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338872962 928054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want me to play again < 1338872966 293397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1338872972 871836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NC wallpaper http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/media/wallpapers/2_iphone.jpg?v=131.4 VS wallpaper http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/media/wallpapers/3_iphone.jpg?v=131.4 < 1338872977 112505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: am i boring :( < 1338872982 314676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see who has the better uniforms < 1338873003 972986 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nc < 1338873015 598193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I was thinking < 1338873016 538683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the NC people be shallow to choose a team with a poor backstory? or would they simply be going with their natural instinct to like the logo? < 1338873028 61967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's vs < 1338873035 132214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, they're "Freedom" people < 1338873047 235057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think itidus20 has it right < 1338873049 630065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guess who'e play again < 1338873051 335175 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would the VS people be elite snobs for choosing a team with a good backstory? or are they just good people < 1338873051 495223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1338873054 986934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1338873056 643780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died a lot < 1338873059 225933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im playing aagain! < 1338873068 366183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: play healer, heal squarelos, heal rocks, eat rocks < 1338873069 783318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whistle RIGHT BELOW MY STARTING SQUARE < 1338873070 110028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, http://www.planetside2.com/overview < 1338873070 585114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As a wizard unidentified spellbooks is safe unless they're cursed. < 1338873073 59986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`i win' < 1338873075 489086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: i: not found < 1338873078 48022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *are < 1338873079 192892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll down to where you see the logos < 1338873083 192573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does Hebrew not distinguish is/are?) < 1338873084 700179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very very brief summaries of the empires < 1338873088 315813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "reading" was implied as part of your question. < 1338873101 79233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your sentence was ungrammertical. :( < 1338873111 945976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just left some parts implied. < 1338873116 517037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of your question it made sense. < 1338873120 568055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that your question was hours ago. < 1338873131 671715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hebrew does distinguish. Moreover it distinguishes male "is"/"are" from female "is"/"are". < 1338873131 831831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be one of the elite players to beta test this highly-anticipated shooter! We need your participation and feedback to make this a truly epic, genre-defining game! < 1338873143 118773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bad < 1338873144 199124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you elite < 1338873146 177699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, come to think of it, it doesn't have a word for "is" or "are". < 1338873151 678378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess not. < 1338873151 837762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooops < 1338873152 856991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate kobold < 1338873167 416781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338873168 677537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hp < 1338873177 707872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer won't be able to handle it, I need a new computer. < 1338873204 573306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, nicknames for people of each faction: < 1338873210 257991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elmos, smurfs, barnys < 1338873221 320278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1338873224 246130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barneys I think < 1338873244 250643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338873277 10140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barnys elitest faktion < 1338873297 872638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wher's > < 1338873300 400455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where's > < 1338873469 193807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know what upsets me < 1338873490 587286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338873527 173380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pets move a bunch after you go > < 1338873528 99631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 0 turns < 1338873529 264824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/dRSQ < 1338873533 40143 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 46.8 < 1338873560 572630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see here a scroll labeled YUM YUM. < 1338873574 463930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember when you said "yum yum" to me < 1338873584 879901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good time for a repeat" < 1338873671 889211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is eating permafood meant to be common in nethack < 1338873674 108751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl it's "bad" < 1338873687 786358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no squarelos < 1338873689 611331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to sacrifice that < 1338873692 903148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can often get by with corpses; sometimes not. < 1338873699 181673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw can i have details on sacrificing to get magicbane < 1338873699 790379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338873705 853555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many corpses am i going to have to sacrifice approx. < 1338873710 869836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does the magicbanelikelihood decrease over time < 1338873714 656448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can i sacrifice corpses at my leisure < 1338873727 50512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By early-to-mid-game you should have more permafood than you need. < 1338873734 935552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sokoban is full of it. Another reason to do sokoban first. < 1338873737 920213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define early-to-mid :P < 1338873739 534719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338873749 551485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But Sokoban makes me intolerably bored, < 1338873749 712306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Magicbane is a guaranteed first sacrifice gift to wizards. < 1338873750 814928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bored. < 1338873777 675874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's early or not doesn't matter, but sacrificing increases your luck, and high luck makes it more likely to get something. < 1338873788 392063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you do a bunch of sacrifices together it's more likely to yield something? Maybe. < 1338873801 886206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's just chance. I've gotten it as the first sacrifice gift sometimes. < 1338873851 137758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338873868 725912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing monsters increases your alignment which might also have something to do with it? But presumably you're doing that anyway. < 1338873869 47482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, roughly how many corpses can I expect to sac?) < 1338873872 241180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5? 10? 50?) < 1338873876 938372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1338873881 989433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably <50. < 1338873898 862692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't break mirrors or anything like that. < 1338873984 578408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you id anything in a shop < 1338873987 879250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's a potion shope < 1338874157 594122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1338874159 822128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1338874169 547034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to see something terrible, monqy < 1338874172 27871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You mean by price? < 1338874180 659435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. (Is price-iding dumb?) < 1338874181 343278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only sell things that belong in that shop in that shop. < 1338874186 429171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And price-iding isn't always reliable. < 1338874195 108844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I id, then. :( < 1338874197 917681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually too lazy to do it except for things like lamps. < 1338874206 471589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "/r/haskell's current logo" http://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/nb6gZnmUj6jhotix.png < 1338874249 104582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So if I'm in a potion shop and everything is just "potion", I should ignore it for now, right? :p < 1338874253 845719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note to self: It's on D:3.) < 1338874272 717048 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: barft < 1338874434 877399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i use whistle < 1338874444 106899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a)pply < 1338874462 863199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why isn't apply and zap the same < 1338874467 942905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aren't < 1338874474 848702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wear/put on < 1338874481 739823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a)pplying a wand is for breaking it. < 1338874492 371679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dumb" - me < 1338874505 660654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"me=dumb" -- eliott < 1338874510 555042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: apparently people complained when acehack unified armour/jewellery putting-on-and-taking-off < 1338874512 366114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the complaints < 1338874538 396543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (A) both takes off and removes < 1338874544 271685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does it < 1338874545 471389 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno < 1338874546 84227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338874548 164617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does T exist hten < 1338874548 889530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1338874553 224782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very dumb" - me < 1338874646 553088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "scroll of identify" < 1338874653 844195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use it! < 1338874655 467467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i use it now < 1338874657 314621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338874679 204853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/hfcc < 1338874682 636287 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.3 < 1338874830 128206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tin whistle :( < 1338874918 620643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guess waht time it is < 1338874939 192120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it < 1338874940 970237 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338874968 198300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's < 1338874970 404259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"manes time" < 1338874971 376347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mines < 1338875046 739447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ouch < 1338875049 783575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338875055 589281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oupes < 1338875073 59880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheating" < 1338875138 99298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hehehehehe i thought squarelos was < 1338875140 18801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungus with items under it < 1338875141 767712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of crawl < 1338875485 506835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So should I be killing things and dragging them all the way to an altar? < 1338875493 14373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just saccing what I happen to kill on the level with the altar? < 1338875512 163560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on what you want to do. < 1338875520 890500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Magicbane. < 1338875542 963581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragging things is ineffective because you only have N turns from the time they die to the time you can sacrifice them. < 1338875547 531138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338875561 601551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can -- I don't know, do something. < 1338875573 802338 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-99.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338875574 968794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe read your cursed scroll of create monster near the altar! < 1338875580 698891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll make you popular. < 1338875709 964098 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338875714 487641 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1338875715 533547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rephrase: What's the usual thing to do? < 1338875990 517852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A looking glass shatters into a thousand pieces!--More-- < 1338875994 486076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember what you said about not breaking mirrors? < 1338876023 828885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess "don't cast force bolt at water nymphs" would have been more useful advice? < 1338876034 276377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do I have teleportitis. :( < 1338876041 343336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you feel jumpy? < 1338876044 192638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338876045 862055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes. < 1338876046 580104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very jumpy, in fact. < 1338876054 252353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I stop having teleportitis? < 1338876065 485020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to get teleportcontrolitis. < 1338876074 285693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a ring or something for that. < 1338876087 563065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At XL 17 you get it intrinsically. < 1338876100 656895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, but I don't want to be bothered by HEY TELEPORT WHERE every N turns. < 1338876105 589909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's good to be a wzimard" < 1338876106 160301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise it's "optimal" in some sense.) < 1338876108 727056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also annoying.) < 1338876121 473089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you experienced controlledteleportitis in NetHack? < 1338876125 379196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338876127 792603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not that bad. < 1338876135 600606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to decide where to teleport every ~80 turns? < 1338876141 442995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338876145 14671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1338876145 504623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I remember it's not that bad. < 1338876153 870550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the number 80, that is. < 1338876159 964267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every game turn, there is a 1/85 chance you will try to teleport. This does not cost nutrition or energy. [1]" < 1338876167 790530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, yes. < 1338876175 969071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you're "going somewhere" anyway, so teleportitis only helps! < 1338876186 554459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very hard to lose intrinsics in NetHack. < 1338876192 80662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't have eaten that nymph! < 1338876197 32897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did you eat a nymph?) < 1338876218 141159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338876220 35390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1338876222 781342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338876223 869818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876225 373579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now You Know. < 1338876227 707303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876228 788936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876229 149295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's killing you? < 1338876233 715677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingo & housecat < 1338876240 76683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleportitis away! < 1338876248 314191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks.
< 1338876250 43231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been enough turns for that. < 1338876252 575945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack needs more chokepoints. < 1338876260 147148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can ^T, maybe? < 1338876266 448803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION connects to NAO.
< 1338876273 130634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thank you, pressing ^T just killed me. < 1338876279 64437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem! < 1338876283 238569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you I was going to look, right? < 1338876293 755371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't tell me you were Pw:15! < 1338876295 736987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you Elbereth? < 1338876299 185074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338876301 358097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about Elbereth. < 1338876307 974406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much like cheating that I forget it's possible. < 1338876312 25839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about Elbereth(TM). < 1338876325 871018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before your first ascension you're allowed Elbereth, like, for free, man. < 1338876331 405893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only cure is to have it stolen by a gremlin, at night." < 1338876355 684360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should play! < 1338876356 806773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll watch. < 1338876361 41295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy will also watch. < 1338876367 453692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, one game. < 1338876367 970695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1338876373 262763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have INterhacka set up here. :-( < 1338876377 363070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I play? < 1338876395 67222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK < 1338876396 744984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something difficult. < 1338876399 997130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try something random! < 1338876400 438409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :-( < 1338876404 566484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll play y < 1338876412 794736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1338876414 123618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're chaotic. < 1338876417 429679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy mode. < 1338876421 234817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a full moon. < 1338876422 145007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1338876427 903094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that single rectangle is the entire dungeon. < 1338876435 124871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super easy mode. < 1338876435 998418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this means you win. < 1338876473 774749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you've lost. < 1338876474 890218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1338876479 186693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have automatic searching. < 1338876484 873544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'ti's''s good to be a ranger" < 1338876489 526743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating! < 1338876526 956404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player shachaf does not have any scores in the top 2000. < 1338876533 47513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "why is my font so bad " :( < 1338876541 741851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: screenshot < 1338876546 611854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't played games since the Great High Score Reset of 2012-or-so. < 1338876546 771888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not as bad as mine < 1338876548 616941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you want to see mine) < 1338876561 318557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My font is fine except the 0 looks like a O. :-( < 1338876576 608820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you receive my mail btw < 1338876581 728378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mail < 1338876587 102274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338876590 537524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about now < 1338876590 974921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, can I send monqy mail? < 1338876598 702931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not playing!!! < 1338876599 643806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my font: http://ompldr.org/vZTNpNw < 1338876607 282411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy knows my font < 1338876610 956868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy knows < 1338876611 803489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror < 1338876636 484076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That font looks fine. < 1338876647 973574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1338876659 503725 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876659 662784 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338876659 662947 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876662 449770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unhinted and rendered badly. < 1338876676 899427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also used to it. < 1338876729 486223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you enjoying shachaf's game i know i am < 1338876759 338731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is shachaf's first game since 2011-01 aparently! < 1338876765 870236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1338876767 395093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1338876777 154829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't emlook at my shitory!! < 1338876782 742349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :History. < 1338876793 814403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't emlook at it. < 1338876797 2197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I presume the space is part of the word.) < 1338876798 169611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The lag is too great to play NetHack. :-(( < 1338876809 456108 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338876810 382853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That just means you get to think more every turn. < 1338876812 318440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you die less! < 1338876817 327086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned that from shachaf. < 1338876819 786157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to die. :-( < 1338876826 763856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1338876827 847508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't listen to anything shachaf tells youa bout NetHack. < 1338876828 675189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to win. < 1338876848 990775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the round-trip latency is about 3 seconds now. < 1338876850 771644 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876855 990794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What continent are you even in? < 1338876872 976142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WHY < 1338876874 701172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :East America. < 1338876890 336482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY would anyone think that "publically traded" == "anyone can see your information" < 1338876893 763969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The problem is on my side.) < 1338876894 763700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1338876904 572747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thatsnonsense.com/view.php?id=1563 < 1338876916 241069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw two FB friends post the piece of silliness < 1338876918 519323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this latency is too great to play. < 1338876925 569322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saves.
< 1338876938 716118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You planned this from the start! < 1338876942 761725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hope you enjoyed that" < 1338876954 44914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope! It's a tragtedy. < 1338876960 323874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to Psychonauts! < 1338877005 426019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll farm some puddings for you. < 1338877015 212949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1338877018 834579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't pudding farm! < 1338877024 516426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FOR YOU. < 1338877024 676700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't farm pudding! < 1338877030 829884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be unhappy and not farm puddings if you played more. < 1338877041 264683 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimmick! is a fucking awesome game. It is also psychotically hard. < 1338877071 822424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does things I thought impossible on the NES. < 1338877104 649045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I once watched Wooble farm puddings on the planes? < 1338877112 805794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To sacrifice. Or something. < 1338877194 406406 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what should I wish for? < 1338877203 944497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: rae you playing < 1338877205 390938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so where < 1338877212 982656 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm standing on the altar on Astral < 1338877216 310657 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something cool < 1338877220 653100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1338877221 593396 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a wish and probably another one too < 1338877223 77101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing < 1338877223 621605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1338877224 529502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :server < 1338877227 381753 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nh4 < 1338877230 152469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1338877231 193245 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't watch :( < 1338877231 547768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme connect < 1338877232 965969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see < 1338877234 774916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338877235 197938 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1338877235 858852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1338877237 666222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: screenshot? < 1338877239 944161 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my replay is busted < 1338877241 118062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "good enough" < 1338877250 814480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1338877253 736929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "something cool" < 1338877257 9044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :include "stupid joke wish" < 1338877259 60636 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877276 9760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: blessed greased fixed slime mold < 1338877277 240118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/GBCZ < 1338877280 526595 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1338877287 119647 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... seems too pedestrian < 1338877289 18934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (are you going to be the first NH4 ascension?) < 1338877307 120323 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly not :( < 1338877327 122771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 57.4 blessed greased fixed +9 slime molds of love called hungerbane < 1338877351 973445 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i;l play neth ack now < 1338877371 412191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i will watch < 1338877371 775871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1338877372 859719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :steal my rc < 1338877376 832785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1338877377 212557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "conservative" < 1338877379 708831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i steal < 1338877382 264029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1338877388 29291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to http://alt.org/nethack/webconf/nhrc_edit.php < 1338877390 28202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter yr details < 1338877391 493288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll sprunge mine < 1338877405 926561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/iSHU < 1338877420 95604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns on gold autopickup, names yr cat squarelos < 1338877425 806967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can name your cat anything you want instead) < 1338877428 335834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps "elliott") < 1338877432 443485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does statuscolors < 1338877434 710995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*statuscolours < 1338877436 930255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doe smenucolours < 1338877445 239788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts --more--s on bad things < 1338877456 648257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows buc < 1338877458 311634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it < 1338877463 736306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok playeing < 1338877465 942613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and requires "yes" instead of "y" for some scary things < 1338877466 102465 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i play ! < 1338877466 646675 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I know. < 1338877473 779945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what should monqy play < 1338877474 707445 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I will wish for < 1338877480 601065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know MuCK in crawl < 1338877480 838851 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it becomes safe to connect to my game again < 1338877485 963091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the equivalent of MuCK in NetHack < 1338877513 793096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "n e way" if you want ~easy melee~ you can play valkyrie dwarf < 1338877518 527280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`the mdfi of nethack' - me, just now) < 1338877525 741983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play a wizard! they're fun! < 1338877535 945823 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want shachaf's xpert opinion < 1338877536 816700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1338877541 132375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: xpert opinion pls < 1338877552 574210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably ascended < 1338877553 224496 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338877555 155456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a billion times < 1338877560 939426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than both of us put together < 1338877565 361352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he knows what he's talking about < 1338877566 478935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's ascended < 1338877568 369506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he would < 1338877571 772802 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he was talking!! < 1338877579 8188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 times < 1338877588 647698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has ascended none and played 2 (joke is he doesn't play on NAO) < 1338877627 915135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nethack is weird just play a valkyrie or a wizard < 1338877636 670290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a caveman < 1338877637 757989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a tourist < 1338877639 203549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a ranger < 1338877642 869482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a knight < 1338877644 148923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a samuri < 1338877647 157076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~it doesn't really matter~ < 1338877647 403875 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hit random < 1338877653 758647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338877655 808175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338877658 470599 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338877665 748486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you end up with a dwarf valkyrie with random??? < 1338877674 92615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you hit random after picking those < 1338877674 252138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877680 806711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:27:45 did you end up with a dwarf valkyrie with random??? < 1338877681 7134 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:27:53 yes < 1338877681 218625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1338877683 568403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338877685 488412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write menucolors for nh4 < 1338877686 456490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338877712 342172 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338877718 698630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (nothing autopickups except gold) < 1338877724 601526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but there's less floor trash than crawl so) < 1338877726 43647 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338877737 15457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's a fountain < 1338877740 450840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quaff it" < 1338877754 28374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't < 1338877757 199487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't quaff the fountain, < 1338877760 148944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1338877760 713650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1338877782 458647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nice eyesight < 1338877816 702697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: xpert opinion on what < 1338877826 350120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to play < 1338877835 517869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dwarf valkyrie < 1338877847 313437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is the nethack equivalent of muck < 1338877857 130028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depdends < 1338877859 37785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is muck" < 1338877874 709889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've played kock but not muck. shame. shame on you. < 1338877886 526776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stope < 1338877886 885784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mummy chaos knight. mummy, wroships xom < 1338877888 428026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look at my history! < 1338877894 320178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mummy chaos knight. mummy, wroships xom < 1338877902 103878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look at my history! < 1338877912 308714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bad because xom likes to confuse you < 1338877914 325977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mummies can't quaff < 1338877919 856536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have "great fun" getting out of confusion < 1338877926 637745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bad in a beautiful way which monqy is probably better at articulating than i am < 1338877935 710273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1338877935 869657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i like how your cat is named squarelos and also you are named squarelos < 1338877955 635529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stop fighting while < 1338877956 412693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fainting < 1338877961 771843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does food work < 1338877962 155301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember #pray < 1338877963 698575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "s q u a r e l o s e p t i o n" " reddit mode" < 1338877969 411351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you eat food < 1338877972 485793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get less hungry < 1338877973 923853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're fainting < 1338877975 984797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pass out every few turns < 1338877985 678235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do that!!! < 1338877985 837861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO'S THE xpert NOW? < 1338877988 242566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't be weak either < 1338877990 332264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ # xpert < 1338877991 65240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really need food pray < 1338877992 869002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877993 816611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im xpert < 1338878001 73695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so what's the nethack equivalent of muck!!! < 1338878068 289576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow do you play every game this stupidly fast < 1338878081 637880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice chest-ignoring < 1338878086 188920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats achest < 1338878106 969813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#loot < 1338878113 238223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you shattered the things ha ha < 1338878120 937783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!nick chestpickerupperers monqy < 1338878128 314771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:34 monqy: wow do you play every game this stupidly fast < 1338878139 589934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupidly fast? < 1338878141 485898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh, monqy < 1338878142 790782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh < 1338878146 585184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it is < 1338878147 123511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have enough pw < 1338878220 744159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i was saying < 1338878221 868392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidly fast < 1338878222 112972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much damage do those jerks do < 1338878224 513846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on stupid < 1338878224 673783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know when to heal < 1338878230 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you should look it up!!! < 1338878230 971991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasnt fast at all dummy !!! i just dove a bit < 1338878234 314044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to < 1338878239 518875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll die < 1338878240 654724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also dont want to not dive < 1338878241 71750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots < 1338878250 357121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then i dont want to not die < 1338878260 791028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not diving! < 1338878265 868906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diving would be digging for victory or w/e < 1338878270 899212 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt have a wand < 1338878285 667024 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not playing nethack seriously i thought you understood this < 1338878287 316208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use a pick < 1338878303 352763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you didn't understand that your requirement to play was a serious one! < 1338878311 777538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that requirement??? < 1338878314 978336 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then this sucks and i'm not playing < 1338878324 125267 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you understood i didn't want to play nethack seriously < 1338878328 626394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't subvert a requirement! < 1338878332 31906 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338878332 633772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can < 1338878333 369212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they overcome wishes < 1338878334 879858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338878336 365724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will die < 1338878337 990855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life < 1338878340 598505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1338878380 925470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know how to dig for victory there's a "great article on it" < 1338878386 70749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont know < 1338878390 72223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just < 1338878390 964606 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digging < 1338878391 123950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Digging_for_victory "now you know" < 1338878395 905849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i < 1338878398 156485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont want to know < 1338878414 247284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no choice! < 1338878419 383547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338878419 948170 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1338878420 353817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god has decided < 1338878422 358049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338878457 395826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to join #nethack and tell everyone to look at this person called squarelos < 1338878459 416646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they will all laugh < 1338878460 506201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind your back < 1338878463 49117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in front of your back < 1338878465 451420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you will be surrounded) < 1338878474 718320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun ruined < 1338878503 606661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what fun" < 1338878516 355110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway now you have to play more < 1338878517 615149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them's the rules < 1338878529 660468 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338878544 966294 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338879352 30174 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338879364 966898 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338879365 526655 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: woot < 1338879373 749914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what did you wish for btw < 1338879374 678980 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im #1 < 1338879375 374825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and congrats < 1338879382 899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many runes (laughs) < 1338879383 228850 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed fixed greased +3 dunce cap < 1338879402 26413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3? more like -3 < 1338879418 89860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed fixed greased +3 fake plastic imitation of the amulet of yendor < 1338879424 236067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: wish for that sometime < 1338879489 421820 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: already had a fpiotaoy < 1338879493 920394 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where I got it < 1338879501 449476 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there it was < 1338879504 603458 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do want it, yes? < 1338879505 562194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was it blessed fixed greased +3 < 1338879510 47169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1338879511 8832 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really will keep it < 1338879513 545404 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do want it, yes? < 1338879519 355476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you won already < 1338879529 264315 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm making a pokemon reference < 1338879534 522629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338879541 59135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired and its been years since i played pokemon!!! < 1338879565 406638 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I got all the words wrong < 1338879571 664559 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thought that counts though < 1338879756 266585 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(go see my #1 ascension, it's glorious) < 1338879769 898521 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't try to watch the replay < 1338879772 198306 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i's broken < 1338879841 913925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1338879848 240112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im not watching your entire game unless its short sorry < 1338879856 940060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only roguelike recordings i watch multiple hours of are monqy's < 1338879891 198208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should play my roguelike it's "great" - testimony by me < 1338880211 848164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I like that "bug fix" in the modified C Deadfish interpreter. < 1338880212 61367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338880975 347217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only now processing in my mind that everyone seems to be getting into the "radical UI redesign" thing, not just GNOME and Ubuntu < 1338880983 225707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by that, I mean that Windows is doing it < 1338881046 584124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im radcial ui design - ME < 1338881048 207938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338881065 911119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFCE ain't. < 1338881250 226698 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers from Beijing, everybody. < 1338881250 449285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338881251 644042 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will continue running TDE as long as I'm able < 1338881253 901027 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338881254 112380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 13h 14m 4s ago: *stab stabbity stab* < 1338881260 642849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's not very nice :( < 1338881378 169398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Gregor *hi hiity hi* < 1338881378 378389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338881392 595072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338881392 809666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 14s ago: *hi hiity hi* < 1338881399 721755 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ****** ***? < 1338881429 141373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Exactly. < 1338881434 940018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Gregor" is a much better nick than "Friendship". < 1338881451 686971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a nick, it's my bloody name X-D < 1338881461 765553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338881465 731756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your regular name? < 1338881467 75820 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: **** ****** :) < 1338881479 79154 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I'm connected via an SSH tunnel ;) < 1338881527 480778 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking.. that way if people start talking about t squares, you don't disappear < 1338881535 611975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1338881653 615679 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-175.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338881844 959564 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find the pony factory, please buy me a derpy ;) < 1338881872 712180 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338881992 327148 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, having fun? < 1338882011 895491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rediscovering the fun of being stared at by everyone. < 1338882030 926030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And enjoying how stupidly inexpensive everything is. < 1338882060 822763 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the food? < 1338882080 857578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap ;) < 1338882093 29932 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No complaints. I'm not blown away, but I haven't really gone anywhere that I expect to blow me away. < 1338882111 329913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a beef noodle place and got the most expensive item on the menu. < 1338882114 514482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly $5.50 < 1338882120 391857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, you're in 北京? Fun. < 1338882121 874694 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338882129 264628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Imma 漢字 at you a bit. < 1338882129 986182 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338882170 181402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *shakes fist* < 1338882189 573880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beijing" and "hanzi", respectively, BTW. < 1338882201 342137 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: And my dinner the previous night came out to a grand total of $5. < 1338882225 102861 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hotels? cheap also? < 1338882225 980100 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Pekin" and "kanji" in Japanese, if you must have that, too) < 1338882337 353803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, there seems to be no way from outside of a restaurant to determine if they have an English menu. < 1338882365 902191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuredly the staff won't speak English, but I can point at the menu and they can write down the total price and point at that, but all that still needs an English menu to start with X-D < 1338882465 971988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I could go to a Thai restaurant, poorly mispronounce the Thai name for something, and still get it? :) < 1338882511 929755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"英語��？" I think would work, but I make no guarantees of that being correct Mandarin. < 1338882535 955029 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it is definitely wrong mainland Mandarin, because I don't know how to enter simplified glyphs. < 1338882547 92147 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can google goggles translate chinese? < 1338882555 517933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, maybe? < 1338882567 561203 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a thought ... that requires net though, right? < 1338882572 350143 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338882577 461261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it can't for me :) < 1338882581 773998 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338882643 68798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate suggests it's "英文��", which makes sense. < 1338882669 535482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yīngwén càid�n", Mandarin reading... < 1338882689 88292 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eibun saitan", Japanese. < 1338882696 779321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English dishes radiolabeling" < 1338882714 733065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1338882728 743675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't know how to interpret the answer to that, since in Mandarin/Chinese you answer "yes" by repeating the verb and there's no verb there. < 1338882756 965465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338882783 994730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :N� yǒu yīngwén càid�n ma? < 1338882787 474843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems about right. < 1338882874 32639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 你有英文���？ < 1338882901 76033 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1338882907 292298 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang I could learn Mandarin quickly. :P < 1338882928 23028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learned two new words, woooh X-D < 1338882999 208022 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338883031 802066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And further demonstrates my ability to vaguely fake understanding written Chinese just by knowing that Chinese is SVO, not SOV. < 1338883036 375804 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the survey says: google goggles fails at recognizing chinese characters < 1338883082 292011 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relationship between Chinese and Japanese is truly strange. < 1338883112 348269 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of very similar words afaik < 1338883142 580349 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's basically the relationship between Latin and English. < 1338883165 761466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Except *Japanese* is the one with the more complicated grammar. < 1338883215 810689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :����。。。 < 1338883233 504178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, that sentence in Japanese would be "貴方�英語�メニュー�有り���。", "anata wa eigo no menyū ga arimasu ka." < 1338883274 12253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 日本語������。 < 1338883281 788325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, you might say it more casually as "英語�メニュー�有る？", "eigo no menyū ga aru?") < 1338883286 189954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Idonno, the fact that it's a logography instead of an alphabet makes it seem stranger to me. < 1338883287 460474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: �ん�出�る。 < 1338883338 940121 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: On the part of Chinese, it's a bit more like a syllabary that's got logographic elements... < 1338883360 557894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Each glyph maps to a syllable, and (almost) all morphemes are single syllables. < 1338883362 716355 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh really? < 1338883373 302487 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not the case in Japanese) < 1338883415 647309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there are words formed of multiple symbols of which the individual symbols may themselves be unrelated words? < 1338883427 88313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in principle, if not necessarily in practice) < 1338883435 493737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes ;) < 1338883437 438868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338883446 639516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're rare and edge cases, from what I understand of Chinese, *yes*. < 1338883449 286936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :日 <- day. 日本 <- japan. 本 <- book < 1338883468 230774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse, there's a couple that are composed of characters that are *never used outside of that specific word*. < 1338883469 735499 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I had no idea. That's like Ancient Egyptian, actually. < 1338883472 756205 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Chinese) < 1338883475 47194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are pronunced differently ;) < 1338883477 114086 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, precisely. < 1338883484 772815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese gets things much more confusing. < 1338883515 190087 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They take each glyph's semantic components and fudge it to apply to Japanese. And then borrow a lot of words from Chinese, and write them as the Chinese would. < 1338883540 129631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Over the course of centuries, with Japanese *and* Chinese pronunciation changing over time. < 1338883575 990426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where Chinese has each glyph mapping to a single syllable, Japanese has each glyph mapping to anywhere from 1 to 10 different *strings*. < 1338883651 402483 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :上 is perhaps the worst. ue, noboru, nobori, agaru, ageru, jou... Those are just the readings off the top of my head. < 1338883744 563652 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, that character just means "up". < 1338883865 118519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why doesn't NetHack have Crawl's 5? < 1338883870 322965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dictionary suggests: agari, -agari, agaru, -agaru, ageru, -ageru, ue, -ue, uwa-, kami, nobosu, noboseru, nobori, noboru, yosu, shan, shou, jou, aoi, age, i, ka, kaki, kazu, kan, kou, hotsu. < 1338883885 108467 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everything after "jou" is name-only, though) < 1338884046 811969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338884053 578284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338884056 831255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338884063 580152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :上�り�上�る�上�る�上�上�上�上��上�る�上り�上る�上��上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上�上 written in kanji & kana... < 1338884066 110939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read: "Someone once ? id th?t wh?t gces up < right c?me cc?n >".--More-- < 1338884090 220712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not? < 1338884096 658981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nethack or crawl? < 1338884100 268439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1338884125 27851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember what that is about, haven't played nethack for ages < 1338884139 952272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you find it? tombstone? < 1338884149 299280 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And there's *only one reading of that in Mandarin*! This makes me weep tears of joy. < 1338884159 107225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just on the floor, I think. < 1338884169 283935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. :( < 1338884183 660191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1338884198 669226 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's Crawl's 5? < 1338884219 292121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It rests for 100 turns, or until something happens (where "something happens" includes "full MP/HP"). < 1338884239 165776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just press it and your HP zooms up; it rarely takes more than three presses to get it up unless you're disturbed or poisoned. < 1338884253 484317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With NetHack I have to press 50. a lot and it goes so slowly and wastes time after I end up at full HP. :( < 1338884274 11772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't NetHack have something like that with 5. or was it ADOM or what that had the convenient 5 < 1338884285 203200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch nethack to fix it? < 1338884286 409453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. would rest for five turns < 1338884294 151484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numpad 5 < 1338884329 337948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some roguelike you can press e.g. 56 on the numpad and it goes east until it sees something new... it's probably NH or ADOM but I forget which. < 1338884420 620833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Numpad 5 does not exist. < 1338884427 567051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's shift+direction < 1338884433 156009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H goes left a bunch, et.c < 1338884434 241297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc. < 1338884437 820102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably ADOM then. < 1338884441 52742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-. is of course >. < 1338884471 398332 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338884525 818440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you playing on nao? < 1338884535 78944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I just died. But now I'm playing again. < 1338884561 964473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, squarelos died *already*? < 1338884562 205645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, name? < 1338884565 931854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ehird. < 1338884569 257726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338884629 651262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP squarelos, killed by a dart. < 1338884808 909833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice pick. < 1338884945 697217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, hungry < 1338884953 278851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops? < 1338884965 641465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't bother worrying about hunger until I end up weak. < 1338884968 751325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1338884971 774667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338884978 80011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although being satiated is nice. < 1338884982 262975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1338884982 422645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1338884986 971347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot you're not meant to eat dogs or cats. < 1338884988 235752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1338885091 153359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the mines < 1338885106 862436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're less boring than the dungeon. < 1338885114 559058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1338885146 535254 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338885163 181352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiee, don't pick up unidentified gray stones < 1338885169 654917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1338885171 9450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a loadstone < 1338885172 180460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a gem. < 1338885179 8495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of unobservant. < 1338885195 975492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :being unobservant is lethal in nethac < 1338885198 161301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack* < 1338885219 242515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather suspect it's the only thing that is lethal. < 1338885247 226086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1338885250 195852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can I get away with skipping Sokoban? < 1338885269 225819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to do sokoban, but it is actually not that hard IMO < 1338885277 704948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is kind of useful to do < 1338885278 139874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard, it's just boring. I use spoilers. < 1338885308 126755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885327 378786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you playing wiz? < 1338885334 58362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1338885337 552215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to cast spells. < 1338885339 81588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338885353 331681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1338885364 844635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing my god loves me < 1338885368 57233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't watching, what did you eat? < 1338885379 214012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome corpse, but I had just done 50. a bunch to restore points first < 1338885385 234645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338885427 459088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines have a lot better layout than the dungeon. < 1338885441 162547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two nymphs? Come on. < 1338885445 448522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch yeah < 1338885451 572085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarelos!!! < 1338885454 846733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338885465 18407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat. < 1338885468 343251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it a bone level? < 1338885472 819502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got down here somehow. < 1338885475 527280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, quite likely. < 1338885476 702815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it died? < 1338885480 624127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it did. < 1338885494 181620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my cat's ghost is seriously about to kill me. < 1338885497 609414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1338885514 415248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one of those scrolls could probably save you < 1338885521 227536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows which one < 1338885529 331849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My potion of healing saved me. :p < 1338885533 502523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that too < 1338885541 903307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used a consumable; that means I've lost.) < 1338885550 852885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1338885565 797691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every consumable you use means you've done something wrong. In good games, at least. < 1338885570 79743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1338885574 143070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1338885574 640276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I died. < 1338885581 150848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :id stuff please < 1338885584 438732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have dug for victory. < 1338885584 701462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1338885589 730165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1338885592 840731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skipped it before you said that. < 1338885593 620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1338885596 144922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338885601 169416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be in the file, no? < 1338885611 222991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, trying to remember the url though < 1338885647 695826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=ehird < 1338885648 779338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338885650 820965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it listed? < 1338885662 859091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338885670 229069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the dumplog < 1338885678 716357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/e/ehird/dumplog/1338884538.nh343.txt < 1338885679 430528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here. < 1338885681 668958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338885688 842587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : H - an uncursed worthless piece of red glass < 1338885689 555974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1338885714 85725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did the gray stone go? < 1338885743 990148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dropped it. < 1338885757 940489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not a loadstone (or a blessed one when you picked it up) < 1338885776 457477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I like the "You were lucky (1) You are dead" < 1338885803 727773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I played NetHack six times on 2012-04-15, and don't remember it in the slightest? < 1338885812 171434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885824 466528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just checked http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-04-15. < 1338885827 178094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sleep-deprived. < 1338885829 24949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. < 1338885868 397683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, NetHack is boring. < 1338885895 8288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1338885905 810368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you have to do is repeatedly do the obvious thing and double-check everything at each step so you don't make a mistake out of boredom. < 1338885907 859275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I haven't played it in over a year now < 1338885914 62939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, this might be less true later on.) < 1338885918 563677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm too bored to get there.) < 1338885924 80962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885964 955448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Crawl more, even though its earlygame is even worse. < 1338885973 513966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it practically automates it for you. < 1338885983 683352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, haven't got around to playing crawl yet < 1338886012 37180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bunch of crappy flaws and the earlygame is awful and there's lots of stupid things. < 1338886024 238074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's way too long. < 1338886030 59468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fun, approx. from the first rune onwards. < 1338886035 473460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338886050 543297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl Light is better except for the ways in which it's worse, although I'm trying to correct those by prodding dtsund. < 1338886069 796965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338886078 330152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, if you do play Crawl, CDO has low lag in Europe. < 1338886091 648065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1338886101 601126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the default settings are basically reasonable; you don't need to tweak them. And don't play hugeterm.) < 1338886110 771306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally start playing locally while I'm learning the game < 1338886121 821766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm? < 1338886130 67315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm = terminal larger than 80x24. < 1338886134 266956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messes up ttyrecs. Is uncool. < 1338886140 523723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like large terms < 1338886145 438388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough. < 1338886148 462847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase your font size. < 1338886159 993819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your LOS is limited enough that it doesn't help you at all in Crawl, anyway. < 1338886163 88402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in many chars wide / high < 1338886166 618944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the message list is several lines long anyway.) < 1338886169 688699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tough. < 1338886182 500501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt I will have time to play crawl any time soon < 1338886191 582701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw seen the last humble bundle? It is quite amazing < 1338886202 338075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't play Crawl if you're going to use hugeterm. < 1338886230 19612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amnesia, limbo, bastion, psychonauts and some game I forgot the name of < 1338886237 24211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the bundle. < 1338886240 860504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338886284 566580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I owned bastion before already, excellent game. Bought the bundle because I wanted Psyconauts. Which turned out to be just as awesome as I had heard it was. < 1338886392 587837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I need to leave, bye. Will be back in the afternoon < 1338886393 267248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1338886406 644617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1338886415 838769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1338886420 558620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1338888702 164395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"psychonauts = awesomenauts" - Vorpal < 1338888900 193124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "which it is \"btw\"" < 1338888907 640894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338888917 148523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts. < 1338888923 402069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the future. < 1338888936 423122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338888946 932541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover knows. < 1338888968 182566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover can't play Psychonauts. < 1338888984 305172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1338888985 919115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why "knot" < 1338889031 239333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, what attributes can a cell have with standard ANSI stuff? < 1338889039 67253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colour, bold/high intensity, what else? < 1338889047 233777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess italic? At least, some terminals can do italic. < 1338889050 356091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is inverted an attribute? < 1338889056 623657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338889061 664438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blink is too. < 1338889064 535206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, background colour, of course. (Which can also be high intensity? I guess that's an attribute of the colour, rather than of the glyph itself.) < 1338889078 508002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know that high intensity backgrounds show as bright for some and blinking for others. < 1338889081 354366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI < 1338889083 795036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess they're represented by the same thing(?) < 1338889099 802382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say. < 1338889103 614892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1338889104 605015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blink is its own thing? < 1338889122 817966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ask that question just to say that? < 1338889128 155470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, no points. < 1338889145 515140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889149 8162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually implementing it now. < 1338889152 847988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Cell = Cell < 1338889153 33204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { cellGlyph :: Char < 1338889153 191569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , } < 1338889154 473555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data View = View < 1338889156 468147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { viewSize :: Point < 1338889158 554087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , viewOld :: Vector Cell(Char, Attribute) < 1338889160 542442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1338889162 527536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1338889166 416114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my editor window right now. < 1338889179 746439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I get points? < 1338889199 561093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, < 1338889205 254513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing. :"(() < 1338889214 342736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing my simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338889216 393493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why can't you play Psychonauts? < 1338889217 420833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to use curses. < 1338889236 364893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you do the display part as a completely separate program, please? < 1338889237 524480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, floating point exception if I talk to Oleander right at the start. < 1338889245 515898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the nethack-emacs thing. < 1338889248 332509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which version? < 1338889276 593250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I will be fully separating display and what-you-can-see calculation (in fact, I've devoted a lot of thought to ways to do that nicely); however, I don't really feel like limiting my communication methods to text. < 1338889278 219104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the @ inside me. < 1338889285 381585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they'll be linked into the same binary, because Unix can't do anything else. < 1338889293 666313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in @, of course...) < 1338889303 557319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack-emacs does S-expressions? < 1338889310 294380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, by "text" I mean "bytes".) < 1338889311 286743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, totally not text. < 1338889313 131343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Serialised as bytes. < 1338889325 503488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(De)serialisation code is a kludge. < 1338889335 221289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy for that shit, man. < 1338889344 403685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much of a kludge as LINKING IT INTO THE SAME BINARY. < 1338889359 872466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, where does it give the version? < 1338889364 108326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you write everything in shell, then, if linking is too much coupling for you? < 1338889366 118096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "as they say on the internet", "baking it in" < 1338889368 469309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The version is whatever comes with the HB. < 1338889369 720865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, what platform? < 1338889394 639537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338889395 757545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is, don't make it NetHack, OK? < 1338889396 269243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My Real Roguelike will have a machine-readable-and-writable kludge UI for bots. < 1338889398 647405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I'm running it on Arch, if that's what you mean? < 1338889405 154327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this isn't going to be my Real Roguelike. < 1338889410 32849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, there's your problem. < 1338889412 645216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just an experiment. < 1338889416 793746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should run it on Windows. < 1338889419 483311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION solves problem.
< 1338889426 581960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might end up doing the simultaneous-turn thing in my Real Roguelike. < 1338889428 567059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most likely not. < 1338889433 822622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have I told you about the simultaneous-turn thing? < 1338889437 889669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't wanna use Windoooowws < 1338889439 428794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889441 558514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Seriously though, you should try it on Windows. It works for Skyrim.) < 1338889443 793087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now is too late for that. < 1338889448 246375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Tough! < 1338889454 588230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, so, you know in roguelikes, you and monsters get turns in a round-robin sort of order thing? < 1338889456 315991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, seriously. I'm going to sleep. < 1338889461 500795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you do something, every other monster gets to see what you did? < 1338889464 747563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eventually when I feel like using Windows again < 1338889464 930594 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338889466 388207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hold that thought, dawg" < 1338889471 608883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Imagine if, instead, everybody decided on their turn simultaneously. < 1338889480 973102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, you could sidestep ranged attacks on the same turn they're made. < 1338889488 669993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a chance of dodging melee attacks by moving during combat. < 1338889491 725155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1338889501 179292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have two offensive explody spells collide in midair. < 1338889502 13524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've imagined it. < 1338889505 409139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what? < 1338889508 297340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the power of SIMULTANEOUS-TURN ROGUELIKES! < 1338889515 355075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like fun. So I'm writing a little roguelike to test it out. < 1338889518 380669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if it's fun. < 1338889520 548659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will be. < 1338889532 907284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also a pain to code, because you have to handle all these interactions of simultaneous actions. < 1338889540 625291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's pretty much all. < 1338889567 553514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monsters are now totally exposed to the power of the simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338889575 609566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bad. :( < 1338889603 604042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe if I make it use the system libSDL and libopenal. < 1338889627 798389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Psychonauts is, like, worth it, man. < 1338889635 943165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you played Psychonauts? < 1338889641 746866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889650 263057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone told you what a depressing game it was? < 1338889662 86405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first impressions weren't great, but that was mainly just because I thought the interface was clumsily diegetic. < 1338889672 222526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, the interface is terrible. < 1338889680 228495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to get past the first few worlds before it gets interesting. < 1338889733 773050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should do it anyway. < 1338889795 666468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet Psychonauts isn't as good as Rayman 2. < 1338889805 977316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you're wrong. < 1338889820 948074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No. Rayman 2 is ~the best 3D platforming game of all time. < 1338889825 61332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, do you mean as a game or as an "experience"? < 1338889825 323729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. < 1338889831 184768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1338889835 499503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never played Rayman 2, but I don't like 3D platformers much. < 1338889846 239788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rayman 2 is Different. < 1338889849 557414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's different because it's good.) < 1338889855 619671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is different? < 1338889857 489053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts. < 1338889871 357525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Psychonauts: It's different" < 1338889894 57057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rayman 3 is also Different! And good. (Possibly a better game? But a less... I don't know the word.)) < 1338889908 682463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's better as a game but perhaps less impressive as an experience, I guess. Your terminology wins.) < 1338889912 133606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am defeated.) < 1338889914 374727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you get the HB thing? < 1338889917 537583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. < 1338889918 317182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will. < 1338889957 115003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1338889984 97015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a cheapskate. < 1338890007 835486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Er, the average is probably going to go up over time from now. < 1338890012 586795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll end up paying more. < 1338890026 148832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why the hell have you not bought it. < 1338890063 14288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because why bother? < 1338890069 318802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy it later when the whim takes me. < 1338890080 927675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like cheapskating this one, anyway. < 1338890085 765624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick whim < 1338890120 190758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#CSI_codes guurhg < 1338890146 16950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just wait until you hear about "the other" escape codes. < 1338890158 708958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which are those? < 1338890172 410624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the xterm ones. < 1338890177 208181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the ones used for the mouse. < 1338890184 754786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Good thing I don't care about the mouse! < 1338890210 623023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a good time echo -e '\e(0'" < 1338890215 572780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a library you can link with that lets you output ANSI stuff and it displays in an SDL window stuff? < 1338890222 15083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*window thing? < 1338890224 826662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1338890229 377695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. For running on platforms without convenient terminal things. < 1338890229 593755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have the good time yet? < 1338890235 190919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good time? < 1338890236 275706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338890237 319649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it. < 1338890246 579271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-3.2$ echo -e '\e(0' < 1338890246 739218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\e(0 < 1338890247 758750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointing. < 1338890252 894640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong echo. < 1338890274 106283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a good time echo $'\e(0'" < 1338890281 609528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1338890282 555721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-3.2$ printf '\e(0' < 1338890282 737420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :�▒⎽�-3.2$ < 1338890282 897602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :�▒⎽�-3.2$ A� ≤�⎽, ├��⎽ ├��┼±. < 1338890284 7637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :�▒⎽�: A�: �⎺└└▒┼� ┼⎺├ °⎺┤┼� < 1338890286 536485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Ah yes, this thing.") < 1338890302 181395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the line-drawing thing! < 1338890309 514086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect for drawing the walls of a dungeon in NetHack. < 1338890317 151234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Or you could just: use Unicode! < 1338890357 526027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just so you know, your paste messed up my IRC client. < 1338890359 889291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks paste" < 1338890365 209768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear < 1338890376 780220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1338890440 261988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Play Psychonauts and then tell me whether Rayman 2 is better. < 1338890446 142188 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play is generally turnbased in abstract chess(what i called it before i learned fairy chess existed). A way to have simultaneous movement however is for each player to write down their move and present them together." < 1338890461 832311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but Rayman 2 has childhood and nostalgia on its side. < 1338890465 477617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is I'll make serious consideration to acquire it and play it. < 1338890475 162765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hah! Psychonauts doesn't! < 1338890476 560762 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any conflicts could be resolved by repeating the process. repeated conflicts could be resolved by banning that move for all teams." < 1338890484 793631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. So it'll probably lose :) < 1338890498 647333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last sentence sounds like nonsense actually < 1338890514 319661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (Honestly, Rayman 2's gameplay is pretty simple. But it's fun.) < 1338890540 58263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rayman 3's is more elaborate and probably funner, but Rayman 2 has more nostalgia on its side.) < 1338890540 977951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, for me. < 1338890548 779829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1338890563 27264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talk about how it's good even though I only played it within the last few years at most. < 1338890631 261020 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, i mean if one was playing a multiplayer roguelike.. each player would write down their move and pass it to an independant game master, who would announce the outcome of that turn < 1338890647 731664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I mean... I only played Rayman 2 in like... god, I forget years. < 1338890654 348704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only played Rayman 3 in like 2003! Or 2004. < 1338890669 23925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, three, uh, nine years ag— WOW nine fucking years?? Jesus fucking christ < 1338890679 345813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the planet < 1338890682 50141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338890705 811947 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theres always @ < 1338890720 223726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ...That's true. < 1338890908 110189 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens if 2 mobs(?) try to occupy the same square in the same turn? < 1338890930 300753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, there's underline too. < 1338890934 478858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why is inversion an attribute? < 1338890940 437555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you just swap background and foreground? < 1338890964 593540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: One wins. Possibly it's treated as a scuffle of some kind and one or both of them accrue damage. < 1338891318 403020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also how NetHack works. < 1338891335 289239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you try to move into an empty square to find out that your pet moved into it just before you did. < 1338891487 891516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, really? < 1338891489 365374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that. < 1338891494 251849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack is supposed to be turn-based. < 1338891497 712901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you are sleeping. < 1338891523 267960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338891563 94048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338891729 200676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338891735 199408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you sleeping soundly? < 1338891762 403049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wish I was. :-( < 1338891770 614455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sleep is inconsistent. < 1338891782 648887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GET; IT;) < 1338891785 713728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338891834 697052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain. < 1338891864 945398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsound. < 1338891867 739489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also erratic. < 1338891903 584325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the joke. < 1338891926 468553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1338891949 172105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked if I was sleeping soundly. < 1338891953 573761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe *you* were making a joke. < 1338891983 750759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338891985 232340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious. < 1338891991 117941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are so funny. < 1338891998 708294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's what they say: < 1338892003 588962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1338892080 262750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You'd watch PH play NetHack right now, right? < 1338892082 907843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be hilarious. < 1338892186 935951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts still gives an FP exception even without its own libraries. < 1338892200 411404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: W i n d o w s < 1338892225 224703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I'm going to sleep. < 1338892229 650885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can do it! < 1338892235 405734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Psychonauts running. < 1338892241 628980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like: < 1338892243 436570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pshittynauts < 1338892251 815811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who went there i went there < 1338892302 241845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I have an existing game on NAO. < 1338892305 227006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And don't give up on it immediately this time when you get it running. < 1338892307 383754 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they call themselves america when excluding canada < 1338892318 208804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Get past the levitation world at least. < 1338892330 9787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the game is full of easter eggs that you should look for. < 1338892339 354176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhantomHoo < 1338892348 632042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like how you don't use statuscolors. < 1338892352 924585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the thing where everyone turns out to be depressed and suicidal! That's a good easter egg. < 1338892389 630949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I didn't give up on it? < 1338892401 54035 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best easter eggs are made of chocolate < 1338892402 546625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good! < 1338892410 853760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like how you saved a game on D:2. < 1338892411 218008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, statuscolours??/ < 1338892414 307627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338892418 733275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your HP would go red when it was low. < 1338892424 919769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just copy my rc file. < 1338892426 948178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "the best". < 1338892439 140921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "okay" < 1338892443 912863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you hate life" < 1338892447 202501 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i liked easter more pre-diabetes < 1338892476 505628 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-diabetes it's all about avoiding relatives and drinking diet coke < 1338892501 988641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my diabetes isn't under control well enough for me to avoid sugar... < 1338892517 62538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you use numpad. < 1338892519 955549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you use numpad. < 1338892522 30082 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1338892533 949324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell would I use numpad. < 1338892547 331866 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5123? < 1338892562 319644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have played literally 42 games of NetHack ever wow you are so bad. < 1338892581 30981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it locally too. < 1338892584 852847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuure < 1338892602 24875 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many choices on the numpad /789 8456 5123 < 1338892604 752507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How many games have you played; < 1338892608 22985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT: 0 < 1338892610 482564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Some. < 1338892621 919862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nice burdening. < 1338892646 448371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sleep. < 1338892651 382311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should read that scroll! < 1338892653 92094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Get you-know-what set up. < 1338892662 504536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't listen to elliott. < 1338892668 814055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I'm going to do stupid things just so you get annoyed at me. < 1338892670 185397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "elliott" is derived from the word "lie" < 1338892673 525295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STARTING WITH READING THAT SCROLL < 1338892674 209784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"e-lie-ot" < 1338892681 908538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's a good thing to say before doing stupid thing unintentionally. < 1338892684 640334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things < 1338892685 7224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1338892722 852776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to sleep.
< 1338892734 461430 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338892804 934885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SUEW, `SLEEP'. < 1338892921 249150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You look like you know what you're doing even less than I do. < 1338892947 46774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I know that several of the things I'm doing are stupid, see above. < 1338892951 967775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... slightly more than I do? < 1338892976 4634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 11:38 Phantom_Hoover: That's a good thing to say before doing stupid thing unintentionally. < 1338892980 408624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:38 *things < 1338892992 923304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm definitely doing them deliberately. < 1338893003 325897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't eat mold corpses when I'm playing sensibly, for one thing. < 1338893017 791377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never read random scrolls or drink random potions. < 1338893059 557648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that the place i live doesn't have nearly enough random scrolls or potions for my liking < 1338893093 685980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should dig for victory. < 1338893106 373151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have any digging impliments. < 1338893121 268442 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into your backyard and break a branch off a tree! < 1338893124 134084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIT < 1338893127 287158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338893146 331197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK um < 1338893148 677469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should follow the guide on [[nethackwiki:Digging for victory]]. < 1338893151 752750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they keep throwing weapons < 1338893152 328859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :play minecraft real life < 1338893157 893115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also your HP is still 35 so I'm not sure why you are worrying. < 1338893163 748662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't kill this wizard < 1338893172 372146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyll probably just kill each other < 1338893193 509039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hilarious < 1338893344 780546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear food poisoning. < 1338893349 418904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY ANCIENT NEMESIS < 1338893370 386581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what < 1338893372 913124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you not pray < 1338893388 152610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338893562 800779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: congrats you "lose" < 1338893804 597395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338893905 430718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338895344 394692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait you can pray to get rid of food poisoning < 1338895349 859964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was like breaking a nail in df < 1338895359 953611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure do suck at nethack < 1338895559 210037 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheist conduct < 1338895737 797256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you know shachaf ascended atheist wishless? Observe: < 1338895740 399211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog atheist wishless < 1338895777 966802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338895784 23585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1338895807 852174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1338895810 975028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog wishless atheist < 1338895824 755889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338895831 28271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1338895841 140258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm-hm. < 1338895925 221037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shachaf.*atheist < 1338895932 379784 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-15.txt:06:37:52: You were an atheist < 1338895935 989786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shachaf.*atheist < 1338895944 5420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-15.txt:06:36:52: elliott: But have you ASCENDED NETHACK ATHEIST WISHLESS < 1338895949 366971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: See? < 1338895982 49400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1338896026 917905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But do you? < 1338896036 846826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how to see. < 1338896048 188366 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate for you. < 1338896073 626084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you? < 1338896124 809425 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1338896132 586083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Isn't it not? < 1338896140 706716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1338896148 445375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1338896441 828500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you know about VT100? < 1338896473 563124 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1338896480 355345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The codes, and stuff. < 1338896488 691594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Like, you know how you can copy text from terminals? < 1338896495 119928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it won't pad it out with a lot of spaces to fill the width? < 1338896501 600849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between a cell with nothing in it and a cell with a space in it? < 1338896508 471064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I place a cell with nothing in it at a certain position? How? < 1338896535 706592 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is probably just that there's a line break in the middle of the line. :-P < 1338896583 935946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah, so you can put an '\n' in a cell? < 1338896597 274907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So could I fill the entire terminal with '\n's as a "clear" state? < 1338896603 779850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How does mosh handle this? I know it "synchronises" a terminal. < 1338896615 966460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ostensibly it must be able to make a cell that has something in it not have something in it any more. < 1338896617 122175 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can do that directly. < 1338896660 688970 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to clear the terminal, there's a CSI sequence for that. < 1338896741 760131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Mm, but that's inconvenient for my architecture. < 1338896760 775885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your architecture needs tweaking. < 1338896772 900560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I consider the terminal to be an 80x24 blob of cell values; I keep track of the "old" state, and updates get filtered into a separate update map, and then I update the terminal accordingly. < 1338896779 990723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That is what I am trying to achieve by asking these questions. < 1338896824 625905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing? < 1338896855 212746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Implementing my simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338896857 239332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to use curses. < 1338896917 139199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can't you set your internal blob to all-blank while issuing the "clear screen" sequence? < 1338896946 840004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should optimize your updates by using the region-scroll/copy/move stuffs. I remember reading websites with lynx on the VT510, and it was the funkiest, the way blocks of characters would just go all around the place when it decided to reuse some already-on-the-screen stuffs. < 1338896964 100584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, it's a fixed-size vector; there's not really a concept of "all-blank". More generally, the initial fill *does* have some relevant properties (for instance, black background); I would rather not special-case that kind of thing. < 1338896971 182422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Remember that when I overwrite text, it may be with a shorter string. < 1338896983 559118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll need to replace cells with "emptiness" even if I special-case the initialt hing. < 1338896994 208649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That... might actually be useful, since I have a scrolling viewport. < 1338897001 290857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it's too fiddly for me to consider. < 1338897020 325286 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The concept of "all-blank" would be "spaces in every cell". If you need to keep track of the size, do that separately. Likewise for blank vs. space, if you need that differentiation. < 1338897046 496945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK. So I fill the terminal with spaces. Now I want to display this text in the top-left corner: < 1338897050 72434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1338897051 184092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, world. < 1338897059 763009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when the user copies it, I want there to be no spaces after "world.". < 1338897067 763783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I change? < 1338897124 430370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (By the way, what happened to "optomize"?) < 1338897125 370335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you implementing a terminal or running in another one? If you're running in some existing terminal, I would imagine that after issuing the "clear screen" sequence that would work fine. I.e. only do the "all spaces" thing internally. < 1338897137 117027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Running in another one. < 1338897142 114687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ew. < 1338897145 532243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean now. < 1338897146 839485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gross. < 1338897155 983498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, if I insert < 1338897157 508759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Foo bar" < 1338897160 647661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing the "all spaces" thing externally is gross IMO. < 1338897162 777909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would result in no space being inserted after foo. < 1338897170 582683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to synchronise the internal state with the external state. < 1338897179 9775 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would that result in no space? < 1338897179 691331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since there's already a space between foo and bar, or so it thinks, it would simply skip that cell. < 1338897186 590971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:52 Doing the "all spaces" thing externally is gross IMO. < 1338897187 520192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1338897192 130309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I was asking what I should do that wasn't that. < 1338897195 57092 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you need to internally differentiate between "space" and "blank". < 1338897202 370061 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a dirty bit on each cell, or something. < 1338897211 332201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Remember the part where I have to turn some cells from non-blank into blank? < 1338897217 465611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When replacing a line with a shorter one. < 1338897233 230501 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, what's the problem there? < 1338897243 571956 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Externally: erase rest of line. Internally: assign blank to cells. < 1338897255 598790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I have to special-case lines too? < 1338897271 44518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of this is to insulate me from the terminal's vagaries and treat it as a simple block display :P < 1338897299 729062 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplest way to do that is to clear the screen at every time. :-P < 1338897310 624145 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, special-case lines. < 1338897321 104382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that's why the corresponding CSI sequences exist. < 1338897335 652331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could "special-case lines" by synchronising blank cells with clear line sequences, I suppose. < 1338897345 133231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I run into impossible states like a blank cell in the middle of a line. < 1338897367 258967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know mosh treats the terminal as just a block display to be synchronised, so I'm hopeful it has some nice solution. (Thus the kmc ping.) < 1338897380 521758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else I misunderstand mosh's architecture.) < 1338897394 636588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe its solution is to use curses, which handles the vagaries internally. :-P < 1338897488 607664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm pretty sure software which deals with UTF-8 vt220 state machines and whatever "ISO 2022 locking escape sequences" are would not use curses. < 1338897503 909265 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, beats me. < 1338897505 173971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially given the whole "handles awkward Unicode edge-cases better than terminal software" thing. < 1338897505 695657 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta run --> < 1338897513 224336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME < 1338897520 996477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote jump out < 1338897524 446963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :49) no Deewiant No?! I've been living a lie yep. Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1338897741 387432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you tested if it works right if you just make blanks by using the "erase character" ECH escape sequence? Though ECH is apparently not part of the plain VT100 set. ("Delete" is, but it moves stuff in from the right side.) < 1338897752 928970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ECH part of, then? < 1338897762 351814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I haven't really written any code to output ANSI sequences at all yet, but this sounds promising. < 1338897810 33874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to use anything that xterm/(u)rxvt/gnome-terminal/Konsole don't support, more or less.) < 1338897817 574872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECH is in at least the Linux console_codes, xterm's list of codes, the VT200 set, and ECMA-48, so it's not *terribly* rare. < 1338897832 356423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT200 sounds good enough for me. < 1338897840 287394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it VT220, though? < 1338897873 823759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (What is the code?) < 1338897905 152350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's... slightly suboptimal, in that I'll output an awful lot of them at the end of a line. < 1338897922 256890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT200 as in "VT2xx". And it's \e[nX where n's the number if characters to erase. < 1338897923 874591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just realised now that I probably can't make much use of blanks at all. < 1338897944 114704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, I can. < 1338897951 18963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1338897955 86216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how I organise my layout. < 1338897959 790719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nX, I suppose, if one wants to be real fancy and 8-bit. < 1338897984 240024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What happens if you have "a.b" and then erase the ".", I wonder...) < 1338898034 977519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will "cause the active presentation position and the n-1 following character positions in the presentation component to be put in the erased state", if you want the ECMA description of what happens. < 1338898056 621842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... rather vague. < 1338898069 113808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT220 manual says "Erasing removes characters from the screen without affecting other characters on the screen. Erased characters are lost. The cursor position does not change when erasing characters or lines." < 1338898103 850586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also puts erase-character in the same group as the usual erase-in-line "clear to the end of line/start of line/complete line" code, so it presumably should be somewhat similar. < 1338898117 164961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, VT220 doesn't really have a way to select text with the mouse. < 1338898121 156611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the behaviour I'm interested in. < 1338898224 339533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does "a beside b" imply a is to the left of b? If not, is the a verb instead of "beside" that does? < 1338898231 386638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "a above b" implies a is to the... upwards of b. < 1338898264 671506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leftof" is so a verb. < 1338898271 515307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not. :( < 1338898283 321506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, "beside" isn't even a verb. < 1338898284 222123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS it? < 1338898285 124522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Is < 1338898286 926992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate language. < 1338898428 173105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, echo 'foo ' in my terminal results in "foo" with three selectable spaces after, and echo -e 'foo \e[3D\e[3X' doesn't really help, while echo -e 'foo \e[3D\e[K' propely makes just a 'foo' with no selectable spaces after, so maybe you do have to clear to end of line to get short lines. < 1338898452 851630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who *invented* terminals? < 1338898462 444049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just use Qt or something and use a proper text field for my status line. < 1338898490 923814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 'foobar\e[3D\e[3X < 1338898499 777582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :' gives a 'foo ' too.) < 1338898505 288974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the silly spaces.) < 1338898600 680273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, teach me about VT colours. < 1338898613 924916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how some terminals interpret blinking as blinking, and some interpret it as setting the background colour to high intensity? < 1338898635 247558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get, e.g. a dark grey (i.e. high-intensity black) background in a "portable" way? (portable, n. works on xterm without configuration) < 1338898912 843875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny definition of portable, having just one terminal emulator there. (Anyway, I think it's still possible to compile xterm without 16-colour support, in which case you can't get that at all.) < 1338898930 684507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By "xterm", I mean "xterm and rxvt and so on". < 1338898946 343547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The reason I say it that way is because you can set rxvt to treat it as high-intensity background etc. etc. but that doesn't count as "portable". < 1338898949 293762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should Just Work. < 1338899005 622679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more generally: Is there any way to do it other than setting blink? < 1338899009 227568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(256colors need not apply.) < 1338899028 327850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fore/background "bright color" codes 90..107 should I think Just Work in the sense that they at least won't start blinking, presumably in xterm- and rxvt-derived stuffs. Not so sure about Linux console, though. < 1338899065 263737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :90..97 are bright versions of 30..37 and 100..107 of 40..47 in the \e[...m construction. < 1338899067 50065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in any standard? Will the foreground versions show as bold in a terminal emulator set to display bold text as thickened, or just as bright? < 1338899100 813008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those should be just bright colours, since they don't involve the bold attribute '1' there. < 1338899119 224751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Hmm. < 1338899124 646886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit worried about the portability of that. < 1338899131 147307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wondering if it'll work in gnome-terminal, for instance.) < 1338899358 350665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (So is it in any standard?) < 1338899415 203428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://bjh21.me.uk/all-escapes/all-escapes.txt not really. I'm not sure if there's anything more standard to get a bright background, though. < 1338899434 409068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the "bold is bright" foreground thing isn't exactly global. < 1338899458 885771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338899477 736136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, theoretically, I could just use these universally and fully decouple bright/not-bright from bold, right? < 1338899491 170370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I couldn't have a non-bright bold cell, because it'd end up becoming bright.) < 1338899501 374277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bit wary of this...) < 1338899530 405344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you toggle bold on, it'd become bold, bright, or bold and bright, depending. < 1338899549 422749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Terminals are a mess.) < 1338899634 941087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe I'll just not use colours at all. < 1338899640 900561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old-school style. < 1338899676 386856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does anyone have a Linux console handy?) < 1338899757 119774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA-48 specifies a hilariously long list of attributes for SGR (i.e. \e[...m). You can have things blink slowly or rapidly, you can have characters concealed or crossed-out-but-still-legible, you can use first, second, ..., ninth alternative font, you can enable fraktur mode, you can have the stuff framed and/or encircled, whatever. < 1338899791 156939 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraktur mode? < 1338899872 499831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it does nothing in my terminal. < 1338900001 537955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hardly ever supported" -- Wikipedia (uncited) < 1338900038 193581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an old-fashioned "vgacon" Linux console, I doubt you can get a bright background no matter what you do, since I think it's -- unless you do tricks -- stuck in the default text mode, which has Blink Enable on, so there's just three bits of attributes for the background color physically. < 1338900070 836850 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you need linux terminal for? < 1338900077 771654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Console. < 1338900083 953657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aw. < 1338900090 129320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But framebuffer??? < 1338900117 741036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another thing, I wouldn't be surprised if fbcon didn't do blink at all. < 1338900130 466629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it'd need to manually blink that stuff. < 1338900142 845454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like the sort of thing they wouldn't have bothered to implement. < 1338900331 523770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a framebuffer console on this thing, ISTR it didn't play nice with the nvidia driver. On vgacon, bold ('1') will make foreground bright, and blink ('5') will make things blink, but the bright-colour codes don't do anything at all. < 1338900487 834349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is awkward. < 1338900508 451267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to just stick with sixteen backgrounds, sixteen foregrounds, and a "bold" attribute, with the understanding that it'll either make it bold or brighten the foreground or both. < 1338900516 776957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an underline attribute. Which will hopefully just... underline. < 1338900539 59121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, why is inverse a separate attribute? < 1338900543 696080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just swap the background and foreground instead. < 1338900552 29042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does lo-fi stuff support inverse but not background/foreground colours? < 1338900561 339345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very common, yes. < 1338900643 990976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have a funny definition of "very". I like it. < 1338900665 917596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet NetHack supports things that only support inverse and not background/foreground colours. < 1338900673 30700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And actually uses it, I mean.) < 1338900680 753281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, if you have a non-color terminal, it'll still do inverse. My VT420 and VT510 were like that. < 1338900837 7136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338900838 486258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If". < 1338900957 180983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you meant that everyone has non-color terminals < 1338900987 627678 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you own physical terminals? < 1338901016 831053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I used to, but I gave one of them away to a friend, and the smoke came out of the other one. < 1338901056 966942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have one under my desk for IRC purposes, I think. < 1338901068 970619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there were people visiting, for example. < 1338901092 214240 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you ever attach one to serial port of linux machine and use it from there < 1338901098 105619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you give me an algorithm that goes from a two-dimensional map of coordinates and replacement cells to put there to an ~optimal sequence of ANSI codes to perform those updates? < 1338901128 125818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, that's how I mostly used it. < 1338901158 523772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VT510 was very fancy. It did text modes up to something like 50 lines, and had a hardware status line, and a built-in calculator and whatever. < 1338901169 133633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nnno, I don't think I can. < 1338901178 793297 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :built in calculator? < 1338901179 362098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it doesn't have to be optimal optimal. < 1338901181 544862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just, you know. < 1338901193 128888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do clever things like optimise the order in which to move about so it can use shorter movement sequences. < 1338901196 25093 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did it have some kind of microprocessor in it? < 1338901268 905450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sure, I mean, it has to decode the codes, and present a setup menu and whatnot. If you pressed the right magic keys, it gave you a "graphical" (line-drawing characters) desk calculator thing. There was a key to paste the result in as if you had typed it. < 1338901283 546294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i take it bacj < 1338901309 633151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie. :( < 1338901320 588536 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. a real terminal would be nice to have < 1338901345 317319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also had a menu-driven configuration thing. I mean, look at this stuff: http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/f2-21.png < 1338901353 361722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a clock. < 1338901380 214036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very configurable thing. < 1338901387 732700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too much configuration. :( < 1338901400 154084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/chapter2 lotsa menus. < 1338901433 334295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many character sets, too. < 1338901456 196542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO there should be at most 2.45 buttons on everything and one of them does nothing (it is there to reassure you). < 1338901469 27525 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that thing would pass for GUI I have designed if it didn't have that blocky text "Terminal Set-Up" < 1338901522 384206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has local copy-paste support too. < 1338901562 575272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/chapter3 <- there's a picture of the calculator. < 1338901634 398569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hard status line was funky too, with screen. < 1338901653 709505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is the algorithm done yet? < 1338901658 225283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be too hard. < 1338901843 839730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just scan it left-to-right, top-to-bottom, output when changed, track where you were and prepend a movement command when necessary. Sounds optimal enough: won't bounce around (vertically), and consecutive cells will be just output without intervening commands. Though it might be slightly tricky to update the bottom-right cell. < 1338901858 699332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but e.g. imagine this update < 1338901859 603900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1338901859 962268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : d < 1338901875 154328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be better to go down after b and then up-right after b. < 1338901881 849472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than doing a full-coordinate-in-decimal reposition thing. < 1338901953 306023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1338901954 255516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc", move to d, "d" sounds still shorter; I mean, outputting character moves you automatically one step right, and all the movement characters are like three commands long. < 1338901970 172703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movement commands, three characters. < 1338901973 869580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving to d involves a global reposition thing. < 1338901982 545429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what if you're at 1000000,1000000? < 1338901993 938267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 1000000000,1000000000 in your 80x24 screen? < 1338902001 237994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big screen now! < 1338902003 408254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean use cursor-style movement exclusively? < 1338902015 921723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, that'll be bad when you have something changed at the top and bottom, say. < 1338902036 441797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, is line-wrapping behaviour guaranteed?) < 1338902048 330609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can skip a reposition to the start of the next line in... very pathological cases.) < 1338902108 238069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, just to clarify: < 1338902109 149153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have < 1338902109 678067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1338902110 221648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def < 1338902112 385539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be < 1338902119 468081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef < 1338902120 905300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338902130 95478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still seems possibly suboptimal to me. But okay. :p < 1338902331 739099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you did say "not optimal optimal", and it's simple to do. Anyway, when you see the cursor isn't where you want it to be, that's a place where you can conveniently decide whether to use something else than an absolute movement command if it seems shorter. (E.g. check if it's same line/column -- the former more often, presumably, if you scan in the reading order -- and use the ... < 1338902337 772586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... up/down/left/right movements, or the "absolute column on current row" one.) < 1338902364 419178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But the idea behind a super-almost-optimal one would be to rearrange all the updates to get the most favourable sequence of movements :P < 1338902368 573405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll just do the obvious thing. < 1338902448 194282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also omit the r and/or c in \e[r;cH when the row or column is 1. (It's 1-based.) < 1338902462 350087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this means I want to nest my updates map (y,x). < 1338902466 869881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's an IntMap (IntMap Cell).) < 1338902471 572701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be very confusing. :( < 1338902537 67409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And same for column c in \e[cG, and I guess also for the relative movements when moving by one notch.) < 1338902565 185438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what curses does? Oh, curses just relies on context given at the time of mutation. (Ew.) < 1338902739 592671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've often wondered what piece of code (curses, screen, lynx itself) was responsible for the plainly visible update-optimization when using the physical terminal. I mean, it was clever enough to scroll large blocks both horizontally and vertically to position them right, instead of redrawing.) < 1338902943 558757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I really want to use that. :( < 1338902952 155186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I mean, have you ever played Dungeon Crawl? < 1338903038 292560 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indiana has law saying that Pi=3 < 1338903065 815167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?! < 1338903175 428435 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill < 1338903198 334188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Did you notice the word coming after "The bill never became"? < 1338903199 599740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "law". < 1338903205 778062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the second paragraph, so you might have missed it... < 1338903219 76889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. also http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp < 1338903335 81187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 75+64 < 1338903336 29390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 139 < 1338903409 495267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not pi. < 1338903429 802045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just move the 3 one left. < 1338903431 74589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.19 < 1338903433 56930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically pi. < 1338903849 275217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: data Thing = Jump Point | Skip Int | Write Cell < 1338903852 165690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call this, man??? < 1338904130 615090 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CursorAction < 1338904306 806002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That could work, thanks < 1338904790 175225 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95DF2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338904898 898381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I just realised that my thing has somewhat suboptimal behaviour for "foo bar" when there was previously spaces. < 1338904907 573375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just overwrite the space, but instead it'll use CSI C < 1338904950 101268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll special-case a difference of less than three characters. < 1338905071 966155 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338905250 750915 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1338905888 516485 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338906122 640504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338906159 815056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338906162 415493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338906168 668103 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh!! < 1338906587 39018 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is crawl's 5? Wait a turn? < 1338906588 209970 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, . < 1338906630 308865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, wait 100 turns or until something happens; "something" includes "a monster comes into view", "MP restored", and "HP restored" < 1338906642 315874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NetHack I just have to spam 50., which (a) is tedious and slow and (b) wastes turns after full HP restore < 1338906660 282292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Crawl you can go from nearly dead to full HP in about 3 seconds with judicious application of 5 < 1338906663 150443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less < 1338906669 970603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more like 1.5 seconds < 1338906683 251760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it also searches too, which is nice < 1338906831 488322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What are the arguments to the select graphic rendition stuff < 1338906840 915335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CSI n [;k] m" but I see no indication of when you'd use a k. < 1338906845 2095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently there can be more than one. < 1338906908 465129 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, yeah < 1338906910 522085 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would be nice < 1338906931 694707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it would also be nice to have an actual hp bar on the bottom row... but it's pretty cramped already < 1338906934 23567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, "NetHack < 1338906937 251100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"NetHack" < 1338906938 930678 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nh4 has an hp bar < 1338906947 485092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338906949 633256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have one the last time I played? < 1338906950 886480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1338906954 460841 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1338906955 855525 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: k is used when setting colours < 1338906956 446261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it being the kind of bar I'd want anyway < 1338906960 524716 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338906966 840374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, just 256-colour stuff? < 1338906990 463480 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so, yes < 1338906993 179031 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ^. a character? < 1338906995 979154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Crawl has the luxury of not being able to even try fitting a map onto one screen so it can stuff a lot of stuff on the screen instead < 1338906998 119139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right < 1338907025 701209 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nh4 just takes more screen real estate < 1338907047 931508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You're not telling me you use hugeterm, are you? < 1338907060 178665 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the hugest term < 1338907064 480743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disgusting. < 1338907070 75222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking to you any more. < 1338907077 209764 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm? < 1338907085 24208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: any terminal larger than 80x24 < 1338907090 222925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminals smaller than 80x24 are acceptable < 1338907182 321996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. I can't really resize my 160x64 terminal < 1338907315 552456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use tput or something. < 1338907322 353751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK to use bigger ones for a console. < 1338907326 482747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not OK to play games with them. < 1338907334 602685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, more generally, broadcast them.) < 1338907897 157176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pang < 1338907897 382677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338909040 879335 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nitro and hence nh4 doesn't require termcasting < 1338909043 612877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or won't, eventually < 1338909051 387178 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a few mechanics need sorting out there < 1338909057 90984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It doesn't matter. < 1338909065 153958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, playing a game locally in hugeterm is a sin, too. < 1338909066 590854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I know.) < 1338909158 344518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Further guidance would be above my pay grade; consult High Priest monqy.) < 1338909648 523545 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does 'else' in scheme does not evaluate to #t ? < 1338909701 261704 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologize for the rudeness of this but its more of an experiment < 1338909706 599240 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google why does 'else' in scheme does not evaluate to #t ? < 1338909708 660977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/usr/ai/html/r4rs/r4rs_6.html < 1338909812 344153 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not explain why < 1338909841 295692 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be rude if you've used lmgtfy < 1338909890 281197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Because it's usually used in a context where evaluating it as a value would not make sense < 1338909899 782569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at leaast, sometimes < 1338909901 394598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance < 1338909917 40483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider case < 1338909924 39907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(case (car '(c d)) < 1338909924 222391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((a e i o u) 'vowel) < 1338909924 381997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((w y) 'semivowel) < 1338909925 674313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (else 'consonant)) ===> consonant < 1338909927 645077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :library syntax: (and ...) < 1338909929 600685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that last line < 1338909961 784478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supported in COND also for consistency. It could be a value defined as #t, but since it's special in some control structures, why not just use it as a keyword in them and treat it in a uniform manner? < 1338910025 519577 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338910053 440350 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i forgot about case & stuff < 1338910053 976726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1338910064 139040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my memory isn't that good either. < 1338910070 53185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pulled up R5RS to check my hunch. < 1338910070 320151 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elliott < 1338910076 433155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem :) < 1338910086 597236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1338910092 515577 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may surprise some of you, especially, hmm.. especially fungot, but under the right conditions i do know how it's supposed to feel to learn things ^_^ < 1338910107 955664 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chat i had before reminded me of it < 1338910111 964476 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910159 752862 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi won't let me talk... < 1338910168 611068 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not supposed to feel like anything as an adult < 1338910188 715069 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe learn is learn, with no manipulative pleasure < 1338910213 626958 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910246 42770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hi < 1338910246 569729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910269 101366 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ngevd is XChat, Taneb is irssi < 1338910293 573977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338910302 95062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought logo was rubbish when i saw it though.. < 1338910535 847503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910550 323949 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm missing something, part of the fun of thinking, by always being concerned with the applied, practical, concrete side of things < 1338910556 31817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910561 797676 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1338910577 961792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910600 964221 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910602 546192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338910605 258857 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha! < 1338910606 392277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338910611 231663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Taneb < 1338910614 276153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338910614 435918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NGEVD < 1338910617 516863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338910618 182537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NGEVD: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338910667 576305 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've worked it out < 1338910675 784237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps if you are in the channel pane < 1338910684 970810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910689 562021 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338910702 81950 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338910718 468747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the status bit < 1338910720 171164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Taneb < 1338910722 934238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1338910774 874928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Taneb is Ngevd < 1338910777 675731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is Ngevd < 1338911037 304917 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1338911041 805105 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading SICP < 1338911049 879532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving for various reasons < 1338911249 962318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338911254 21387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338912034 436770 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338912128 536683 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338912708 253571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[exists v. (Eq v) => (v -> String, Attrs -> v)] < 1338912709 332896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338912723 701029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious preapplication Attrs -> String < 1338912727 259137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also Attrs -> Attrs -> Bool < 1338914249 990611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Monoid a) => Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 478993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 665219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 825085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338915219 17806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, the reset/normal SGR thing. < 1338915223 866852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that reset the foreground/background too? < 1338915225 296645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, what to? < 1338915555 351080 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338915662 11027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the "default". It might not be exactly any of the other colours. < 1338915725 65359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338915855 424561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, hey, you can just do \ESC[a;b;c;dm for \ESC[am\ESC[bm\ESC[cm\ESC[dm. < 1338915857 212883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How convenient. < 1338915858 830010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant lied to me. < 1338915887 249350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338915903 529954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that in places. < 1338915922 411966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't "read". < 1338915925 314402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the WP articles. < 1338915926 711905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*article. < 1338915948 590312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After CSI can be zero or more parameters separated with ;." (The WP article.) < 1338915956 282674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that. < 1338915963 387108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That /is/ convenient. < 1338915971 517005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, you haven't ever set bright red with \e[31;1m? < 1338916017 243852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not the convenient thing I thought it was. < 1338916020 255620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but "parameters" is ambiguous. < 1338916022 456832 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant. < 1338916029 730812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then elliott confused me by asking about 256-colour. < 1338916031 913689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, see that xterm-256 takes a colour parameter after it. < 1338916032 989378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarrely. < 1338916036 942465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because that's all that was mentioned as using it! < 1338916041 614024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338916042 38508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338916042 220551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338916042 379841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338916144 928734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the horror: http://sprunge.us/jOLb < 1338916146 124581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 88/256-colour things are sorta silly, the way they change what the following parameters mean. < 1338916148 881575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1338916207 626323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I should probably just get rid of the Action type by applying the trusty old single-use-data -> code transformation. < 1338916208 874734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fusing! < 1338916231 684112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after I've done all this, all I'll have to solve is input. Still better than using curses. < 1338916456 47707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you solved the matter of the screen scrolling if you output a character to the bottom-right cell? I think that sometimes happens. < 1338916467 174921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, seriously? < 1338916480 629799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Swindon is such a great name for Swindon. < 1338916514 674593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seems to work fine here. < 1338916540 718109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly this is in Terminal.app, voted "not the best" terminal emulator in a nationwide poll. < 1338916592 846702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have `'nation-wide" polls in Finland? < 1338916609 76647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of polls? < 1338916614 907455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polls. < 1338916618 493190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tell fizzie about nation-wide polls. < 1338916652 563040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're polls, also they're nation-wide. < 1338916669 273429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you Phantom_Hoover. < 1338916813 343803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, any sort of official things, I don't think. < 1338916969 651050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the terminal thing, it does not seem to scroll in urxvt either, but I think it is a possible mode of operation, that the automatic-margin linewrap ends up causing a scroll. (It does seem to scroll the terminal if I move to the bottom-right corner and output two characters.) < 1338917201 410550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a terminfo boolean property "semi_auto_right_margin", with the description "printing in last column causes cr", it might be that sort of a thing.) < 1338917240 3704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's a TEST PROGRAM: < 1338917248 971965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/eOha < 1338917376 88389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it puts an ugly @ at the corner there. < 1338917392 177207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Append ; sleep 3 for scrolltesting, of course.) < 1338917393 616146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Excellent. < 1338917398 272610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't scroll? < 1338917462 247985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not in my terminal. But I think it's only sucky terminals that would, anyway. < 1338917472 30273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That @ is a fleeing Terence standing on top of items, if we take monqy's Crawl's rc as a guide.) < 1338917484 31202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Crawl rc < 1338917571 649864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know I ascended NetHack atheist wishless? < 1338917578 958191 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric < 1338917585 949556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WOW! Really? < 1338917587 384531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xscreensaver's molecular display is a bit... iffy. < 1338917589 894380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard that before. < 1338917590 433468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1338917591 828213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SO the logs inform me! < 1338917608 722537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, you're one of those "log" "readers". < 1338917610 216432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text mode trivia of the day: VGA text mode has a hardware "underline" feature, but it's usually disabled in color text modes, because it's enabled by a particular background/foreground combination, and that's a bit silly. < 1338917616 257996 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338917631 443232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's a good point. What does that program do on your nearest Linux console? < 1338917635 520678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More like one of those "scrollback" "backlog" "scrollbacklog" readers. < 1338917638 525613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscroll" < 1338917642 944526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscrollbacklog" < 1338917644 663534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscrollbacklogback" < 1338917647 245441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Same thing. < 1338917654 58192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean caffeine is all well and good, but when it moves on to opium and VX I get the sense that someone will glance at it and I'll end up in Guantanamo Bay. < 1338917656 990644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forthlog" < 1338917658 848018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prolog < 1338917667 414859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1338917698 396242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How many people do you know that know the molecular structure of opium? < 1338917708 73184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *I* don't know that. Maybe I should learn it. < 1338917716 629259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc might know. < 1338917717 39772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says 'opium' right at the top! < 1338917721 701428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't it says morphine. < 1338917723 704785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or heroin. < 1338917732 463522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on which opioid it feels like displaying. < 1338917747 893805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just paste a sticky note underneath where it displays it saying "IS BAD FOR YOU". < 1338917783 244390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does not do anything terribly interesting in my VGA console, though nothing is underlined. (The Linux console doesn't do underlining anyway; you can specify a particular colour that will be used for underlined text, but I think that's ignored if you actually set a colour.) < 1338917815 235395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But I want underlining, though. :( < 1338917835 975275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't have it in a Linux console, it just doesn't do it. < 1338917846 445698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make it do it! < 1338917878 502625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Write a patch. < 1338917881 13240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submit to lkml. < 1338917900 488851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nontrivial to do for vgacon, because the hardware is not so capable of it. < 1338917931 608309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet Abrash could do it. < 1338918075 546853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only coloured text you can underline is I think (dark or bright) red on black, because that's the setting of the attribute bits that enables underline generation. < 1338918169 638878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fbcon \e[4m turns text odd colored < 1338918207 867588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: But I think it doesn't if you set a color manually. < 1338918230 371806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338918253 105693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can use \e[1;n] to make 'n' the colour (0..7) that's used to simulate the underlining. < 1338918253 426510 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't underline it, it just changes color < 1338918280 59971 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ok < 1338918308 959483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use \e(0HI MONQY) < 1338918311 279684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fancy that, it does in fact override a set colour too. < 1338918340 285813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\e(0 = bset ecsape cdoe < 1338918370 669567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338918370 877520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918378 35343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy im sorry < 1338918378 570442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918383 422288 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338918383 633255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5s ago: im sorry < 1338918392 388224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy you forgot @messages? < 1338918392 621199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918393 440226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I didn't notice the colour-change because it was the same colour that the text was already supposed to be. < 1338918400 291762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338918400 499507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 8s ago: you forgot @messages? < 1338918405 672791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy you forgot @messages? again < 1338918405 881067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918434 570870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy pardon me < 1338918434 776713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918440 315028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy gangway < 1338918440 526537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918476 569897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ascend yet? < 1338918490 432765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338918495 633381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In NetHack < 1338918511 83026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338918516 306719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you play Psychonauts yet? < 1338918530 338538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also you. < 1338918620 165259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338918620 371234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918651 691956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages? < 1338918651 913860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918659 447846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338918695 534170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Phoover is gone, so you'll have to play Psychonauts instead. < 1338918696 675840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you? < 1338918706 415390 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338918726 946779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One application of the motion to suspend the rules is called the "Gordian knot" motion.[9] If confusion has caused the assembly to get so tangled up in a parliamentary snarl that neither the chairman nor the members can unravel it, a member can move to suspend the rules to start fresh. The use of the "Gordian Knot" motion is illustrated in The Standard Code with this example: "Madam President, in view of the confusion about the parlia < 1338918727 106622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentary situation, I believe it would be best if we were to cancel out everything that has been done on this motion and start over from the beginning, permitting the motion to be resubmitted in whatever form the maker wishes. I move that the rules be suspended to permit this."[9]. The "Gordian Knot" version of suspend the rules was introduced by Floyd Riddick, Parliamentarian Emeritus of the United States Senate, at a meeting of the B < 1338918727 106792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oard of Directors of the American Institute of Parliamentarians.[10] RONR does not make reference to the "Gordian Knot". < 1338918728 556242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] < 1338918755 904182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I've been sick. Also I played a bit of LIMBO and Bastion. < 1338918790 834096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Psychonauts is probably better! < 1338918793 963935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Get well soon! Or die. < 1338918797 905929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are probably the only two options. < 1338918802 890470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you a child? < 1338918813 465599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, play Psychonauts; it'll have childhood nostalgia on its side. < 1338918846 565352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chidlhood < 1338918892 394829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't suppose the console supports 256colours. :p < 1338918919 623141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, though fbcon technically could. (As far as I know, it doesn't.) < 1338918942 380169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just go "completely brogue". < 1338919004 203581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This involves Actual Windowing and so many colours.) < 1338919008 694711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you played brogue? < 1338919031 922600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long ago rxvt-unicode didn't support 256 colours either; it's "traditionally" done the 88-colour thing. (Nowadays it does the 256 too.) < 1338919038 522753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has not. < 1338919047 814453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and all the telnet server things disconnect clients with the 256 colours rxvt-unicode $TERM. < 1338919053 14485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to set it to rxvt-unicode. :( < 1338919056 652322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's fun. < 1338919063 29371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And simple. < 1338919067 330925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "simple" in the bad sense. < 1338919072 531059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not fiddly to play. < 1338919095 753061 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338919097 620249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to be even Wikipedia-notable! < 1338919104 992435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ < 1338919107 467590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 colours? < 1338919112 121102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to 4 billion colours? < 1338919113 567596 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338919116 694951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does seem to be Google-notable. < 1338919120 296421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's popular "in the community", as they say. < 1338919193 329088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's basically like rogue, were rogue a lot less simplistic and fleshed out and developed in 2012 and really ridiculously pretty. < 1338919201 38014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's ~spoilerless! < 1338919211 254862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. http://308192c9-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/broguegame/home/screenshots/DarBattlemage.png?attachauth=ANoY7coM1tv9xZVXhGG5TH-dIf9KXWO7LgbsbsP-kCl8yGK0RvdI5rsCDwwz1f9rKRHgveM8eUkdxjEoF5-zeIBswnGMRDJa80aLD9nfdKQjxZYG2JYgaLH-G5A0OQu8hTjAP91omhpxXxU_v8Ve7h-lC6qT9jiGMPUtFmcY-Fvic3pGifXjq4eubAjy2vnEfn09nkS4TosoK9KAU9z_QaT6dJGs1UktL_erux-isDM7_fiRYfz3UBw%3D&attredirects=0) < 1338919214 886296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a terrible URL. < 1338919224 350572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever really had 4 billion colours anywhere. It's a weird amount to have, not being 2^n where n%3 == 0. < 1338919240 574167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dar blademaster is standing, burning, in a pool of blood." -- yes, me too. < 1338919241 912737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's certainly pretty. < 1338919267 175118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The water is even prettier. Actually every part of the game is prettier than every other part of it. < 1338919277 437565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a whole light-illumination thing on every tile and all. < 1338919328 591036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338919339 491497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You typically hit for 10860% of the goblin conjurer's maximum HP, and at best could defeat it in 1 hit." < 1338919356 790014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What... did you do. < 1338919364 387552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at a screenshot. < 1338919368 374405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You should endorse brogue! It says in my contract I get a bonus if I get you to endorse it too. < 1338919369 625056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1338919373 478520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one called Conjurer-on-bridge.png. < 1338919380 935440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue is good < 1338919388 290790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I dunno, sounds like a risky battle to me. < 1338919392 593747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :, as far as roguelikes go < 1338919393 134040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the worst-case???? < 1338919400 349640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have a 100% chance to hit. < 1338919417 73429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what if you hit for, e.g. only 900% of the goblin conjurer's maximum HP? < 1338919425 57074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be bad. < 1338919456 886626 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has problems but it's a pretty good game < 1338919457 246763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brogue Tips: You can technically examine things and travel to places using the keyboard, but once you get used to it hover-to-examine and click-to-travel are really convenient. Also + increases the font size.) < 1338919462 301404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get back into brogue < 1338919465 355555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that's all the brogue tips I have.) < 1338919468 941673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue problems #1: < 1338919470 776122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t r a p s < 1338919476 696817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh! There's another one: ? is a handy one-page reference to all the keys you need.) < 1338919481 897613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's all of them.) < 1338919509 172326 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear brogue early game is better in more recent versions so that complaint's "out the window", as they say < 1338919514 553976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until I try brogue again < 1338919532 684858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: My early game deaths (all of them) haven't been to traps, at least. < 1338919542 907952 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: traps are only a problem late game < 1338919546 131836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: They're mostly when you run into a goblin conjurer pack and get swamped by spectral blades and so on. < 1338919546 848111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1338919550 79324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you gotten to brogue lategame? < 1338919551 157351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that was the early game complaint. < 1338919553 484776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1338919554 203056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No. :( < 1338919558 697526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see what i mean < 1338919559 59062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at roguelikes. < 1338919561 386776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you get there < 1338919575 733983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brogue is probably tougher for me than most other roguelikes because of the less... character-building-based focus. < 1338919588 829841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has plenty of character building < 1338919590 621961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1338919596 182058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your character is your equipment < 1338919604 435703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant was that you don't really have much of a fallback beyond your wits and what you've picked up. < 1338919615 762000 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more do you need < 1338919616 301827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, there seems to be less of an accrual of general power over time like you have in Crawl and so on. < 1338919622 575997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, I don't have wits, and the RNG hates me. < 1338919624 372555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... everything. < 1338919625 450193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get plenty of power < 1338919632 804998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your power is what you picked up and enchanted etc < 1338919645 536472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf rng < 1338919660 167169 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338919928 45137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338920193 464726 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338920193 662626 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338920193 662761 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338920213 438004 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue is quite amusing < 1338920226 992070 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whole thing with build < 1338920242 661869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338920287 931469 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't usually go deeper than the dlevel 10 in the latest version < 1338920309 475758 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338921541 452573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338923297 494627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338923299 482412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338923318 993304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I think ($) associates the wrong way in Prelude.Generalize < 1338923319 202522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338923346 679327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 foo $ bar $ baz 10 doesn't work as it does with Prelude < 1338923346 912410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338923388 131873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear about the other edge cases involved with temporarily overwriting a page with a syscall instruction? < 1338923407 448918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the page is memory-mapped from a file, modifying it will turn it into a private mapping. < 1338923413 11534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it'll stay even if you turn it back. < 1338923794 54737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1338923917 790399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "turn it back" I mean writing the old value back to the page, not unmapping and remapping, of course. < 1338924124 972454 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338924732 952342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So when are you moving here? < 1338924810 789129 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338925561 221271 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338925573 564113 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338925983 866746 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926072 591714 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926095 360073 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338926446 78798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338926483 180821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926715 734526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926717 493087 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926746 757505 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1338926798 532827 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338926802 105357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338926802 337368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12h 56m 31s ago: I like that "bug fix" in the modified C Deadfish interpreter. < 1338926905 866878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Wait, my bug fix or the anonymous ip one? < 1338926906 156969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338927047 84451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Also, (!!) seems broken < 1338927047 292301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338927182 793534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Neither (!!) nor (!!!) work for infinite lists < 1338927183 31323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338928152 67152 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338928152 969516 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928231 508635 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928286 854186 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1338928433 457842 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928445 968570 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338928927 890541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338928928 120518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338929373 137676 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929483 327100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929554 319329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such things in mathematics as the "algebraic infinity" where it is treated like an algebraic variable representing a nonzero real number, and then is considered greater than all real numbers in a comparison? < 1338929554 657352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338929565 928349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1338929566 133814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1h 44m 6s ago: I think ($) associates the wrong way in Prelude.Generalize < 1338929566 313499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1h 43m 39s ago: foo $ bar $ baz 10 doesn't work as it does with Prelude < 1338929566 473281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 41m 58s ago: Also, (!!) seems broken < 1338929566 473476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 39m 43s ago: Neither (!!) nor (!!!) work for infinite lists < 1338929598 729467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know it associates the other way; this is on purpose. If (!!) is broken then thanks I will attempt to fix it < 1338929624 889468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can I ask why you want it to associate the other way? < 1338929668 736457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want foo(bar(baz 10)) then write foo . bar $ baz 10 instead. < 1338929682 53025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338929702 7995 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929713 96338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] !! 0 < 1338929714 102104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1338929726 686948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't halt with Prelude.Generalize < 1338929736 997566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for !! it should be foldlM < 1338929751 972746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you use foldl < 1338929755 824248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that would fix it? At the time I wrote that I didn't know foldlM < 1338929793 793994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need to be able to short-ciruit < 1338929802 90544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I don't know foldlM < 1338929823 300325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldlM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> t b -> m a -- Defined in Data.Foldable < 1338930084 343159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, using foldlM fixed it. < 1338930136 448567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338930148 448800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I upload the next version, that, as well as other things, are fixed. < 1338930148 608731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell, I'm actually using Prelude.Generalize < 1338930171 662883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good because the more is use, the more things mistakes can be found and improvement suggested. < 1338930308 134199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice also that lists are Copeanoid which allows many kind of codes to be shortened < 1338930318 522345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool! < 1338930580 333150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38, can I ask why you want it to associate the other way? <-- i recall Cale thinks it is more useful that way < 1338930615 906855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, hmm < 1338930696 271038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to URL escape unicode codepoints? < 1338930786 172021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accepted convention is to URL escape UTF-8 bytes. < 1338930789 20741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1338930802 70524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempt didn't work on this thing anyway < 1338930813 962455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to mess with http://gryphonllc.com/irc/hulk.php?smash=a < 1338930864 713872 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction, that's the defined behavior per RFC 3986. < 1338931135 966640 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338931582 964594 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338931609 4419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now capable of being awake and asleep at the same time! < 1338931630 753710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: MDude is a dolphin. < 1338931664 967460 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338932727 455212 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1338932742 357211 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :click-click-wistle < 1338932918 492318 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95DF2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338933521 513675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1338933522 417714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338935140 251696 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338935672 461573 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338935673 39902 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338935969 952480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/mov/depot/APOD/latest_APOD_HMIC_FR.jpg < 1338936448 590050 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link didn't work, but see here http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/webcasts/nasaedge/ < 1338936468 903935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked a moment ago < 1338936473 899497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit large < 1338936520 779087 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming it was a venus transit image? < 1338936566 158955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's supposedly updated every 15 mins < 1338936855 544010 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link is a live stream, it's good < 1338937064 238327 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338937064 434705 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338938200 367938 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the reviews for this hotel said the breakfast was bad. < 1338938206 656490 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the reviews in English, anyway. < 1338938211 619259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell were they smoking? < 1338938223 586104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :salmon. < 1338938231 441776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steamed buns, fried noodles, fresh steamed cabbage, various pickled vegetables. < 1338938236 772860 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The breakfast here is friggin' awesome. < 1338938256 221300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reviews did say _why_ it was bad, i hope? < 1338938256 661728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame: White people. < 1338938263 520350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just that they didn't like it. < 1338938295 211966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's Gregor < 1338938301 421000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume it smells horrible, then. < 1338938307 692669 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite probable! < 1338938313 356269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it tasted divine! < 1338938330 901849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fnarfed < 1338938338 91756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1338938362 366134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets an inkling Gregor is slightly tired of these jokes
< 1338938436 723394 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the painful truth to them that really hurts me ;) < 1338938449 356968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338938574 796840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines it now: "Cursed by a rare condition, his dream of becoming a famous restaurant critic seemed beyond reach."
< 1338938613 549898 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you're the same time as perth, australia < 1338938622 649748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forever beyond < 1338938633 780854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is? < 1338938637 32832 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338938638 131587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Gregor < 1338938638 825899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Gregor is Tue Jun 5 19:23:54 < 1338938653 537590 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, I add 3 hours and swap am/pm < 1338938666 350118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the exact opposite timezone of the one indicated there. < 1338938670 292608 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that makes it 7:24am < 1338938687 626611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so jetlag from hell? < 1338938700 562804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically as bad as jetlag could conceivably be, yes. < 1338938707 583025 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I ate breakfast for breakfast, so that's a good start. < 1338938715 706795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I ate breakfast because I forgot to eat dinner last night ... < 1338938766 245138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently is eating breakfast for dinner at 1:25 AM
< 1338938816 816604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's pretty likely that those reviewers just weren't well-accustomed to non-Americanised Chinese food. < 1338938829 319777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's breakfast according to what i'm eating, but dinner according to how long since i slept < 1338938842 348285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: /Maybe/, but like, steamed buns? How can ANYONE not like good steamed buns. It's loony. < 1338938871 90249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I actually have a name for the meal you eat between about 1 and 5 am, it's "antilunch" < 1338938871 312570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338938874 340596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338938874 563272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 23h 14m 27s ago: has anyone before written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338938874 745651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 23h 13m 1s ago: has anyone before quintopia written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338938881 352251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There are people in the US today that still think a Chinese buffet is "exotic". < 1338938881 966619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1338938888 489868 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may now be depressed. < 1338938892 422276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so, but I don't see how it would help < 1338938897 35869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1338938898 930041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is not yet a standard English word, but I want to make one < 1338938902 667132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aargh < 1338938910 385931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did my context help? < 1338938915 125813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But those are not the people who travel to Beijing. < 1338938929 640386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really I was pretty amused at seeing the same question twice < 1338938930 3175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. True. < 1338938939 203018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is more appropriate for antilunch, pasta or antipasta? < 1338938947 138155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, quintopia asked a question and someone mentioned there wasn't enough context. < 1338938951 281362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I added a bit more. < 1338938971 593854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the shops aren't open at antilunchtime, so you eat whatever you can actually prepare as a meal < 1338938975 250724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not travel to Beijing and survive to their first meal. I'd imagine being extremely racist to the natives doesn't give you a long life expectancy. :P < 1338938993 588730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's hard to be racist to them when they don't understand a word you say. < 1338939007 256569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or vice-versa) < 1338939009 595211 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect they can infer what "CHING CHONG DING DONG" means. < 1338939013 856531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1338939017 403747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It means I love you" < 1338939048 484438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA (In case you don't know what I'm referring to) < 1338939330 158807 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338939385 865973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more specifically, you expect to encounter smaller decoys first and bigger ones later, so it may be favorable to increase offset size with each decoy encountered < 1338939400 507272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for as long as that fact is true) < 1338939402 692278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338939418 743744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's the case (and I also think the way juggernought sets decoys is stupid) < 1338939481 314969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ffspg goes back and increase sizes of decoys, yes? so you'd see the small ones first and then the big oens < 1338939495 130764 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338939516 27394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect raising the offset size after, say, 2 decoys, could save you time on those two < 1338939537 627862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl gotta look at the sun again < 1338940858 486765 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338940885 807862 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338941488 146003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1338941501 714142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be other transits in my lifetime, right? Not of venus, but... wait, hmm < 1338941547 171645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess mercury would be more frequent? < 1338941576 62990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, yep < 1338941581 33449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury < 1338941582 363107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transits of Mercury with respect to Earth are much more frequent than transits of Venus, with about 13 or 14 per century, in part because Mercury is closer to the Sun and orbits it more rapidly." < 1338941609 699669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other planets don't have transits, right? < 1338941633 117506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't tend to come between the earth and the sun, no < 1338941696 365994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION str he saw the one in 2004, anyhow
< 1338941733 457263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If they do, the end is not merely nigh. < 1338942246 944713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sun has set :/ < 1338942251 6454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scumbag sun < 1338942356 812068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942357 165068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338942357 324990 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942470 346766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be coming up here in a while < 1338942484 436420 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338942484 763932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any proper viewing equipment, alas < 1338942512 841447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it < 1338942526 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a mylar balloon or pop tarts or emergency blankets < 1338942535 108170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape it to binoculars or sunglasses < 1338942753 925854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i could have made it if i'd bothered to get such stuff in time :P < 1338942814 734288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's cloudy, anyhow < 1338942910 298570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have: ecliptic longitude of Sun 75.72, ecliptic longitude of Mercury 87.08, ecliptic latitude of Mercury +1deg46arcmin. < 1338942952 510739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give the right ascension and declination as well if wanted < 1338942968 337178 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.203 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338943008 787582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean the other planets do not have transits? They do, but they are hidden because the Sun is in the way. < 1338943128 610188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I have not seen even the transit of Mercury, because it would be dangerous to look at the sun < 1338943158 808375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you constructed a solar filter for yourself? there is still time to look < 1338943196 650058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, no I have not. How to do? < 1338943222 980839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you get a mylar balloon or pop tarts at the grocery store? < 1338943258 196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at this time. < 1338943345 821197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, well, the transit ends in 4 hours < 1338943358 97728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still look at photographs and I have looked at the one mentioned above < 1338943397 943253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see it anyways; there is stuff in the way < 1338943449 285370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, grey, puffy stuff < 1338943489 769865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in about 6 hours after the transit ends, SDO will release a HD video of the whole thing < 1338943495 764124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like houses and so on < 1338943525 103757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1338943612 83284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trees too < 1338943812 720064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd look at the sun but then my eyes would hurt < 1338943823 380963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even looking out the window makes my eyes hurt wow < 1338943840 335754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't want HD video; HD wastes too much energy. < 1338943886 598467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that, but I do not have a wide screen TV set. < 1338943979 147855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecliptic longitude of Venus 75.76 degrees and ecliptic latitude 1deg 47arcmin, so it is very close to Sun. < 1338943999 506909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes it is on the other side and cannot be seen. This time it is on the closer side < 1338944180 209502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm sure people with release a downsampled version very quickly after it is released < 1338944230 334285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDO jusut released a video < 1338944332 816259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHM55XDhJ0 < 1338944733 807020 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338945264 474217 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess that's a bit more impressive than the version my dad projected onto a wall with binoculars. < 1338945301 542786 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was still neat seeing it more in-person, though. < 1338945745 551611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338946184 341706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338947108 937803 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338947186 28325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/JORU < 1338947189 360827 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.0 < 1338947241 559980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/ZFOf < 1338947245 136733 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1338947266 819897 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338947614 965932 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338947910 299463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338948221 966323 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338948233 73246 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm connected again I think. < 1338948244 745252 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk I made some kind of dirtbike emulator. < 1338948245 762719 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://entropedia.co.uk/generative_music_1.2_beta/#b64MzQw0DbQMwACE63izDwNjRJ9U007O0NDTS2NEq0SOzuTGt%2FEkgy94sKiEo0STU0A < 1338948376 477946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338948431 679222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338949876 970540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338950925 13448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you have a Theora version of the video which is also not HD? < 1338950959 281548 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951036 969150 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338951436 899723 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951726 602919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This opcode ANDs the contents of the A and X registers (without changing < 1338951728 84644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contents of either register) and transfers the result to the stack < 1338951729 532747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer. It then ANDs that result with the contents of the high byte of < 1338951730 975912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the target address of the operand +1 and stores that final result in < 1338951732 603199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory." < 1338951754 280370 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951763 648070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951783 557371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what computer? < 1338951860 730602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but not /always/, it seems to depend on the video behaviour < 1338951867 781066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 6502 < 1338951874 270375 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951945 657738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951945 817419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951946 265842 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338952658 343462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952661 637041 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 46.7 < 1338952683 540657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1338952686 508961 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 0.0 < 1338952692 26420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952695 367505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.1 < 1338952805 526853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that double-check was more important than i though XD < 1338952905 562454 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1338953080 869504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QPjQ < 1338953084 165168 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953091 160567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah stupid syntax errors < 1338953113 613402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why not always? < 1338953134 824915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's unclear, but seems to have something to do with the video system < 1338953146 817252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction wasn't added to the CPU deliberately, it's what happens if you feed it particular invalid data < 1338953171 442986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/fjRh < 1338953174 543067 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953179 645659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338953184 199159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? < 1338953336 451249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/YILB < 1338953339 873973 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.3 < 1338953537 419161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1338953539 509628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338953752 659751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/OHfC < 1338953755 675195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.3 < 1338954875 577603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QKbN < 1338954878 780159 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.5 < 1338955205 415966 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a process has a file, A, open for appending. While that's true, I delete A. What happens? < 1338955225 926875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clojure multimethods go further still to allow the dispatch value to be the result of an arbitrary function of the arguments." < 1338955235 607539 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting < 1338955243 317934 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the process still say "append to this file" just like it did before? Will the data simply be discarded immediately? < 1338955256 848093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to see Clojure as an interesting language crippled by being tied to the JVM < 1338955313 583805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? <-- in those days there generally wasn't a separate GPU, so the video stuff ran on the CPU < 1338955327 56557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are multimethods? < 1338955352 610598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/bQiL < 1338955355 785783 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 45.0 < 1338955362 1257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338955377 484589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way the page describes them, they're like CLOS's generic functions, except with more flexible dispatch < 1338955390 168525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism < 1338955532 877736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i vaguely recall it becomes an inode not referred from any directory and so is purged when the file is closed < 1338955544 9548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_very_ vaguely < 1338955577 149980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/JJIW < 1338955580 214797 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 50.8 < 1338955580 382313 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that would make sense. < 1338955605 785793 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible for the process that has it open to create another link to it? < 1338955622 491701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338955652 640927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the manual :P < 1338955736 95760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_system_calls/unlink.htm < 1338955750 514541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the underlying system call < 1338956088 365177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: presumably you could create another hard link _before_ it's deleted, at least < 1338956441 106615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :P < 1338956509 483056 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338956983 221133 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957648 870661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338957652 356886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.2 < 1338957691 161245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957691 583537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338957691 743153 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957877 818329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338958308 385339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338958724 276125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338958869 804105 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338959585 527433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959588 353905 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 29.5 < 1338959681 171101 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338959707 591667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myndzi help us kill vibration by modifying slowrush to >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959707 812974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338959722 175207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed < < 1338959724 817915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 0.0 < 1338959974 169046 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960170 545749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome canaima172422 < 1338960178 957552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaima172422: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338960253 628579 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338960254 475825 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-175.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338960280 249582 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PART :#esoteric < 1338960361 309932 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960644 474466 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338961446 599469 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338961479 938657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell asiekierka_ hi < 1338961480 146339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338961818 882891 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338962213 451996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_: Did you add the XKCD variation of Deadfish? If so, why? < 1338962526 544856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338963010 113345 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338963033 88993 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963084 535820 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net NICK :TeruFSX < 1338963236 848475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338963337 276665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963520 651783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor is possible to have egojsout stop printing lines of a round after 2000 (and put in a "load more lines" link)? it takes forever to load defense runs and most of the time the interesting stuff happens in the first 2000 cycles < 1338963538 422210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963918 383281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338964493 160839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338964501 45741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338964520 382566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338965112 536099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Payne 3: Dramatic Chilling Simulator http://youtu.be/eWMiIJ6B-7k < 1338965928 225510 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338966387 567668 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338966896 612732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust impomatic_lessdumb < < 1338966903 950925 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_impomatic_lessdumb: 0.0 < 1338967046 769291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dumb is dumb is '<' is less dumb? < 1338967053 858026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is '/if '/ < 1338967171 148823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessdumb used to have a higher score than dumb < 1338967198 513920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but changes to the scoreboard had caused dumb to be beating lessdumb < 1338967208 310893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i deleted it < 1338967829 723784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Clojure interesting me? < 1338968029 308025 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338968114 535735 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1338968943 213465 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969300 548899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969388 537863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338969429 610010 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338969444 347598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show me what some of the documentations for Prelude.Generalize that you have written? I will add some of them on < 1338969457 815527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's a bit skeletal at the moment < 1338969481 592888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll paste it somewhere < 1338969518 331914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69580 < 1338969597 503884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm unsure if that's correct Haddock markup < 1338970006 520905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338970139 254342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338970528 827390 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338970571 291335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338971321 898874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971711 891466 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971759 863495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338971784 781674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1338971790 321462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, haddock doesn't like something < 1338971857 124590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Haddock doesn't like you. < 1338971864 785723 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338971964 59400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338971972 627423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1338972338 630488 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338972655 981305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1338972657 39542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this were written as a function instead of a macro, we would have to pass #(Math/sin %) instead of simply Math/sin for the function." < 1338972728 457344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338973317 121312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is frustrating me < 1338973678 56721 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338973916 869617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java methods aren't first class objects" < 1338973920 333119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bibbles insanely
< 1338974528 157414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: I don't know. < 1338975759 938039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/LawlabeeTheWallaby/posts/3450418413289 ; the latest in my Facebook-status novelization of my China trip. < 1338975826 231617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is getting a Like < 1338975950 663901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: hehe < 1338976169 767077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I've set the bar too high though X-D < 1338976172 708735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't go up from here. < 1338976621 956256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1338976947 828354 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338977182 787313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it feels inconsistent, and something I wish I didn't have to care about < 1338977206 426568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it makes sense, but I'm not exactly looking for Java interop < 1338977613 306891 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1338978374 775931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338978422 289422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1338978437 784016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or would Clojure be great if it weren't for the whole Java interoperability thing? < 1338979043 230794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure would be great if it hadn't anything to do with java < 1338979050 73431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e not running on jvm an such. < 1338979063 569978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1338979122 493129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the JVM's the bad part, it's more that it tries to match the JVM's model so that it works with Java < 1338979151 417384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it ignored Java interop yet ran on the JVM, I think it would still be able to do things like TCO and condition system (I might be mistaken) < 1338981271 591786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JVM has all kinds of curious restrictions on the bytecode, I'm not entirely certain that would be completely true. < 1338981359 614606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can get somewhere via multiple branches, all the branches must provably have the same stack effect. and there's no "tail-invoke" opcode. < 1338981454 242531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter could I guess be workarounded by having your entire program be a single JVM function, but I think that might hit some other limitations. < 1338981518 192054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it would limit all programs to be less than 64k bytes. < 1338981543 123098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the maximum size for the code of a method.) < 1338981601 694295 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981602 5913 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338981602 165449 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981664 717864 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338984482 623441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338984482 917101 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 76823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 236516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 236658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 396265 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 396401 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984674 647690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338986819 183038 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338988574 692056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338988585 827824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: hi < 1338988586 15088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338989740 698106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfish x" < 1338989741 806570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989750 711914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfishx" < 1338989751 637088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989756 15452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "a" "b" < 1338989756 926825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1338989765 45748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1338989770 828321 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338989804 749145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "~ x" < 1338989805 727551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " x~" < 1338989905 870563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "hi" < 1338989906 860919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1338989985 781848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "ion" < 1338989986 746728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ino" < 1338990027 122753 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338990146 891675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sortino is the fundamental particle of sorting algorithms. < 1338990267 9910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "alphabetsoup" < 1338990267 982017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aabehloppstu" < 1338990281 305328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "discostu" < 1338990282 255821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cdiosstu" < 1338990404 475094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortinos come in a range of bogosities, from the bogosortino to the quicksortino < 1338990426 866029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338990446 557237 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990446 879499 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338990447 39248 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990450 699861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990522 176065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Out of curiosity, do you still have the ability/time/will to administrate the lang@esoteric.sange.fi mailing list? Someone has proposed reviving it on the wiki. < 1338990659 603697 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338991444 64476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/7 < 1338991828 16640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338991840 795307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "I would much rather write in C/pythonic notation and have Haskell figure out its monadic translation by itself. It does figure out the types, why not monads?" < 1338991865 997210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/pythonic :D < 1338991871 868135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brought to you by the author of the "Monad" HaskellWiki page! < 1338992158 365607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338992191 510525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't read that page.) < 1338992193 485190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's really bad.) < 1338992200 781856 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would much rather write in APL/Java notation. < 1338992210 893697 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that page.
< 1338992217 578030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL/Java sounds bad enough that it could probably be great. < 1338992261 56014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The best part is that the only monad it describes is Identity. < 1338992277 995426 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other monads than Identity, huh? < 1338992285 861736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I lied! < 1338992348 834654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The essence of monad is thus separation of composition timeline from the composed computation's execution timeline < 1338992350 944330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1338992417 706521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You forgot the ITALICS. < 1338992445 493841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who uses bold italics exclusively when just bold will do is terrible. That is my law. < 1338992535 403296 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also uses both simultaneously. < 1338992548 599861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's what I meant. < 1338992554 812564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bold italics is text that is both bold and italic. < 1338992577 820313 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, i missed the first “bold� in your line. < 1338992579 524014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the combination of APL and Java is not completely unexplored < 1338992594 724122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, using bold when just italics would do is probably another sin. < 1338992598 963747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think J has a Java interface. < 1338992608 5630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found a couple of papers about "Using an APL approach with Java" and "An interface between Java and APL" < 1338992627 649875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9795215/apl-and-java-interface < 1338992989 777793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992989 983311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 227253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 411671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) IM.toAscList m < 1338992997 611804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992997 850390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338992999 783622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338993008 406992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338993008 826256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338993011 26727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo is broken < 1338993018 522740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) (IM.toAscList m) < 1338993018 779688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncurry (flip flip [] . ((:) .) . (. IM.toAscList) . (,)) =<< IM.toAscList m < 1338993021 313883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1338993504 445607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E[C E[1C < 1338993821 958193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/jPKh < 1338994019 513182 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338994073 504912 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994575 61591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1338994611 503148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994623 718077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338994627 736624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1338994703 548904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Manual escape sequences are eeeevyl. < 1338994717 295705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you seen the curses API recently? < 1338994761 793171 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://hackage.haskell.org/package/terminfo-0.3.2.3 horrible? (A sincere question, i haven’t looked.) < 1338994788 129605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but terminfo is a Bad Idea for my purposes. < 1338994818 914549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual escape sequences are much better. < 1338994847 793668 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. everything should support ANSI escape codes < 1338994906 106143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: In particular, using terminfo and such has the tendency to mess up ttyrecs. < 1338994920 110066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, e.g. rxvt's terminfo stuff likes to use escape sequences that don't work on xterm. < 1338994930 853852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, e.g. all the dark grey text shows up as black on xterm. < 1338994939 393779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there's a way to show dark grey text that works on both. < 1338995330 392783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338995428 274803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you’re building on a pile of ancient crap that would need an entire rewrite, why not make a good architecture from the very beginning? The storing of ttyrecs doesn’t need to have *anything* to do with that is presented to the user’s big 256-color Unicode terminal or web tiles interface. < 1338995477 609454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, manual escape codes for the lowest common denominator might be the way to go with ttyrecs. < 1338995596 135741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're building on a pile of ancient crap, the archaeologists and anthropologist might get angry. < 1338995607 11700 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338995607 300837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the paleontologists, depending on how ancient the crap is. < 1338995637 885636 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the scatologists might appreciate your efforts. < 1338995720 884454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: People still use termcast, regardless of whether it's the best way to present replays and so on. < 1338995753 945081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: More importantly, there's only about 40-50 lines of my program that care about ANSI escape codes. Why bother using a library? < 1338995764 801900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything supports ANSI escapes, and they're trivial to output. < 1338995769 275012 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So make one of the pluggable “interfaces� one that feeds the same data to a termcast server as to a ttyrec file. :-P < 1338995789 241271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Feel free to send a patch. It must be less than 50 lines. < 1338995819 935333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (Preferably it would also include a URL to a modern terminal emulator that does not support basic ANSI escape codes.) < 1338995862 813089 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does widows command line window support ANSI? < 1338995879 295973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ANSI.SYS thing. < 1338995888 75135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's bad. < 1338995891 928397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Windows supports terminfo, either! < 1338995903 482174 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't ANSI.SYS for dos < 1338995903 839888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AJAX doesn’t support ANSI natively. < 1338995913 297527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That is not a terminal emulator. < 1338995921 419529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh, probably. < 1338995946 944308 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses supports Windows! < 1338995975 227403 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but doesn't that require importing different headers or something? < 1338995977 600998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: curses has the curses API. < 1338995983 941198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm not using C. < 1338995995 364980 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what language are you using? < 1338996002 657325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curses API is fine enough < 1338996003 61287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, I can trivially make something that draws the terminal via SDL or such, given my API. < 1338996010 343682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really. < 1338996011 900398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Haskell. < 1338996019 576987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the implementation that's annoying, with it calling exit() on some errors and such. < 1338996155 694194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [(a,[(b,c)])] -> [((a,b),c)] < 1338996156 223513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1338996165 101466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should implement that for me! ^ < 1338996198 174673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xs -> concatMap (\(x,ys) -> map (\(y,v) -> ((x,y),v)) ys) -- so ugly. :( < 1338996201 306395 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle? < 1338996205 932042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty \xs -> [ ((a,b),c) | (a,ys) <- xs, (b,c) <- ys ] < 1338996206 909739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. [(t, [(t1, t2)])] -> [((t, t1), t2)] < 1338996207 69730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: < 1338996209 26152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1338996209 311775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1338996209 470900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1338996209 630497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1338996211 952779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle map < 1338996212 202599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 367306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 527806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338996219 361135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> (b -> a -> c) < 1338996219 836821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 24218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 183988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b < 1338996429 587087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://sprunge.us/TeiN -- the only place that deals with ANSI stuff is renderActions, which is fairly ugly, but I'm going to rewrite it to be a bit less ugly. < 1338996484 499880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could just as easily write, e.g. renderActionsSDL :: [Action] -> IO (). < 1338996507 596369 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1338996581 298431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you wouldn't want to use [Action] there. < 1338996585 411016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the updates list. < 1338996590 915113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter. < 1338996791 945353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So what reason is there to avoid ANSI escapes, anyway? < 1338997007 798700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/acme-colosson/0.1/doc/html/Acme-Colosson.html < 1338997047 282787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kmc's package. < 1338997056 735763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is real? < 1338997168 673530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make Numberwang into a fully fledged joke language < 1338997232 275450 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997232 555136 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338997232 718988 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997278 488201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338997278 686611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338997344 447085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338997471 805474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/EiYY (What's version control?) < 1338997751 534736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: :( < 1338998339 901963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wait, does autopickup actually *save turns* in NetHack? < 1338998623 572384 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338998766 868161 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28051 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28125 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 28198 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 571705 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 571866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998953 306120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1338998953 488592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338998954 370129 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338998954 529698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999050 275407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/PSEi < 1338999053 777771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.2 < 1338999092 925016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338999096 605653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.4 < 1338999218 99802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? < 1338999368 806106 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999368 966013 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126625 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 126786 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126934 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 127007 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999549 397038 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999584 403285 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999964 433342 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 791934 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 951814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338999967 951955 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338999967 952066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338999968 111533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999968 111672 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000179 385597 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000567 789146 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000567 949024 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339000568 115270 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339000568 274970 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000587 551208 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000774 381102 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000976 728210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey. < 1339000986 303991 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know stuff that futzes with the terminal and then puts it back? < 1339000989 118420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do they reset the colour? < 1339000991 462938 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When quitting. < 1339001007 158062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just by switching to the alternate screen stuff? < 1339001009 626259 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do you do that? < 1339001011 657726 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/)/ < 1339001111 63517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, maybe, or DECSC/DECRC, "save/restore current state (cursor coordinates, attributes, character sets); \e7 and \e8. < 1339001152 338910 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001152 642973 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001152 802475 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001238 657665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. I think I'd like to use the alternate screen anyway, though. < 1339001248 680965 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that guaranteed to be in any particular state when you switch to it? < 1339001325 631623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a common thing to do. If you were doing terminfo, it would be the 'smcup' (start) and 'rmcup' (stop) properties. I would think it could be in any sort of state. < 1339001369 351286 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001414 968924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? // Nothing good for you, I'm afraid. < 1339001424 601706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So there's no fairly-reliable cross-terminal way to use it? < 1339001448 379463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[?1049h and \E[r\E[?1049l for my rxvt-unicode, and I think it's the same for xterm and anything else that's "modern". < 1339001457 176396 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how ugly. < 1339001460 929883 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do on the console? < 1339001561 403388 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it do? < 1339001566 981863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[r seems to be a "reset scrolling region to default". console_codes(4) doesn't list 1049 in the list of DECSET/DECRST stuffs it supports, so perhaps nothing. < 1339001637 854797 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does stuff go to the alternate screen on the console? Or is that not a thing you can do? < 1339001644 289475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it only moves cursor to 1,1 < 1339001653 333360 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001657 837997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has an alternate screen, no. < 1339001682 165230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no smcup/rmcup in my 'linux' terminfo entry. < 1339001694 152262 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So how does vi reset the colours on the console? I guess the \e7 and \e8 things. < 1339001699 741894 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that really \e7 and not \e[7?) < 1339001705 329889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really \e7. < 1339001719 132290 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me a bit that you have to rely on some internal piece of state to do this. < 1339001726 765385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if I want to do another \e7 later??? < 1339001731 966847 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001740 395880 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339001747 804569 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001748 87028 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001748 247080 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001753 467383 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001760 680625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you'd better not want to. < 1339001765 261324 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001822 291106 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps. < 1339001824 400701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me still. < 1339001856 524578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not perfectly clear how much state \e7 / \e8 save/restore. Seems to depend a bit on the terminal. < 1339001964 330948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001964 490599 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339002109 943049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, screen's "alternate screen" sequences are also \E[?1049h and \E[?1049h, so those seem quite widespread. (It lacks the rxvt-unicode scrolling region reset, but certainly doing that won't *hurt*. Of course if you don't change it, it's probably not necessary either.) < 1339002158 703767 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on fbcon it seems that \e7 saves cursor position and colours < 1339002229 361340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to save colours also on urxvt. < 1339002239 306451 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do those "alternate screen" sequences work? < 1339002257 415002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xterm maintains two screen buffers. The normal screen buffer allows you to scroll back to view saved lines of output up to the maximum set by the saveLines resource. The alternate screen buffer is exactly as large as the display, contains no additional saved lines. When the alternate screen buffer is active, you cannot scroll back to view saved lines." < 1339002263 185126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They enable and disable that. < 1339002301 191908 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. but why? < 1339002337 90646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant for full-screen terminal applications that want to do their stuffs, yet not mess with whatever you've got going on in your terminal. Plus scrolling around when that's on is just confusing, perhaps. < 1339002393 254655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be strict, 1047 enables/disables the alternate screen, 1048 does the same as \e7 and \e8, and 1049 combines both, so you need just one sequence to get back.) < 1339002416 465666 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Run vi. Quit. Notice the lack of vi screen in between two shell lines < 1339002433 581579 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i see it < 1339002463 445053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in xterm/rxvt, you don't. < 1339002499 230783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well I don't have X handy right now < 1339002510 858026 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem. < 1339002599 811825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can run it inside screen if you want to taste the power. < 1339002609 345603 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still see it < 1339002628 485219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. Just tested. < 1339002643 743324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then; maybe screen doesn't bother emulating it when it's not hardwaristically supported. Funny, though. < 1339002658 390108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : altscreen on|off < 1339002658 586491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : If set to on, "alternate screen" support is enabled in virtual terminals, just like in xterm. Initial setting is `off'. < 1339002662 446900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just an option. < 1339002697 358055 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in .screenrc? < 1339002716 971291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn it on temporarily with ^A:altscreen on < 1339002723 102917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemed to work for me. < 1339002739 781746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll say "will do alternate screen switching". < 1339002757 530364 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see it < 1339002785 343919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't, in Linux console, under screen, with :altscreen on. Don't know what's up with that. < 1339002819 858046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could try vim or something, if that's not your vi. Or just plain echo -e'ing those escapades. < 1339002826 713467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got X running. I see it even in xterm < 1339002845 582088 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. my vi is busybox vi < 1339002849 646262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then. < 1339002866 246418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It perhaps doesn't bother with anything so bourgeoisie. < 1339002932 267662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, autopickup actually saves turns. < 1339002938 210798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculous, isn't it? < 1339003041 844385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003071 503090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Haven't you heard that automatic things are time-savers? < 1339003092 166239 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003103 732008 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I will go back to playing Crawl. < 1339003116 442597 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should play Crawl. I'd watch and laugh at you!) < 1339003118 364912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You gotta ascend at least once, man! < 1339003131 566522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Later in my life. < 1339003149 690049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If pickup_types is left as all, then autopickup can be used whenever it is necessary to pick up items on a teleport trap or hole (for example, in Sokoban) where the player would otherwise not have a chance to pick up the items before being whisked away." < 1339003285 533177 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i;m sad < 1339003301 495512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21 551 games for shachaf: 551x cao < 1339003305 918257 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You play on the Wrong Server. < 1339003314 847535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play at all. < 1339003353 362086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played. Same thing. < 1339003446 634041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, uh, that escape isn't working for me. < 1339003450 707908 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( execWriter $ tell "\ESC[0m\ESC[2J\ESC[?1049h" >> switchAll plainAttribs < 1339003457 547001 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- yet it just uses the normal screen. < 1339003663 914747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why are you in china anyway? < 1339003814 798539 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1339003956 356466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've been Shanghai'd to Beijing. < 1339003979 283625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are worse places. why? < 1339004007 166619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'unno. It works in this urxvt with echo -e '\e[?1049hfoo' and goes back with echo -e '\e[?1049l properly. < 1339004013 543249 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Conference. < 1339004043 194473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who is hosting it? < 1339004044 485821 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that actually works. < 1339004051 760455 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just hallucinimating that it wasn't. < 1339004055 714564 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Hosting in what sense >_> < 1339004059 655209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's PLDI and ECOOP. < 1339004065 319386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339004082 838880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when must you take your last chinese massage and return home? < 1339004229 841334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: he;s stalking yuo < 1339004236 244629 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is yuore' scorin g done < 1339004423 408925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no. i prefer my scoring medium rare. < 1339005553 504402 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339006069 736906 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Death by sneezing" < 1339006538 151481 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339006611 365072 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339006784 90830 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339006922 967651 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339007093 966200 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339008127 202475 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339008426 671317 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumbest Girls Ever Steal Girl Scout Money from a 9 year old http://youtu.be/CAcLGSFMFiQ < 1339009154 66719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009183 489566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339009260 353942 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Psychonauts' absolutely terrible controls have actually reached the point that I can't progress due to having no idea which key changes page in the inventory. < 1339009290 131464 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* it said 'z' but the message went away too quickly to be sure. < 1339009297 79608 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is it for you? < 1339009310 826715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's "2". < 1339009315 38525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, confusing. < 1339009321 431016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused too. < 1339009328 968350 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009332 103972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it means you can't switch straight to abilities from inventory anymore? < 1339009355 622286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1339009361 790009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which levelplacething are you at? < 1339009496 347636 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009531 860716 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Milkman Conspiracy. < 1339009545 175011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good level. < 1339009554 65806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :place < 1339009554 809205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1339009607 505344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339009671 173325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009719 171032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you play Psychonauts? < 1339009734 216799 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 269 seconds < 1339009839 594772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you? < 1339009843 833535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i what? < 1339009890 481132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Psychonauts? < 1339009898 684111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339009898 944639 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I keep falling off though because I'm impatient and always use levitate to move around. < 1339009900 580418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's good < 1339009903 439203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's good. < 1339009912 722260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it at http://www.humblebundle.com/ < 1339009921 500682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even have a GNU/X11/Linux version. < 1339009926 677452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339009934 766138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had trouble with that stuff last time i played it < 1339009941 815009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/X11, because X11 is only the kernel < 1339009956 35013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: So did I. < 1339009969 919601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i had Psychonauts and Amnesia even before the HB. < 1339009995 813988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve loved Amnesia, Psychonauts and Bastion. I have yet to try the other two. < 1339010006 782647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had Psychonauts and I think Bastion before the HB. < 1339010024 525853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But last time I tried Bastion it seemed uninteresting. < 1339010029 630717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it was only for a few minutes. < 1339010064 612990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Amnesia on Steam < 1339010089 473085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have a story that is revealed bit by bit, and i love how beautiful it looks and sounds. < 1339010092 718247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played it < 1339010092 899213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like my video card or something < 1339010094 383533 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion, that is. < 1339010107 945507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010108 105206 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339010108 105361 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010124 45846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amnesia has an amazing atmosphere. It should preferably be played in a dark room with headphones. :-) < 1339010132 345442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that, yeah < 1339010168 266179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it should be played in a dark room with headphones while coming up on shrooms" < 1339010243 103976 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you know what makes no sense. < 1339010246 703650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do you have thoughts on Clojure? < 1339010257 416236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Lotsa things? < 1339010275 232851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're invisible those agents will still catch you. < 1339010294 170661 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010297 549892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it makes sense < 1339010336 231193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: They're agents! They're extremely competent, as you can tell. < 1339010361 592613 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have used it only a little bit < 1339010364 648348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the super paranoid milkman's mind. invisibility is the art of making yourself very uninteresting, but a paranoid mind can't be fooled by such tricks < 1339010367 391912 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty cool < 1339010389 421295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like metaprogramming, i like lisps, and clojure is more likely than other lisps to be something you can use on "real" projects < 1339010408 415212 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main clojure guy really Gets It in terms of the relationship between functional and imperative programming < 1339010417 613946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, Java interop seems to poison it though < 1339010423 579095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a talk about the difference between identity, value, and state < 1339010434 515966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something clojure and haskell get right, and practically every other languages gets wrong < 1339010444 309068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure and haskell are technologically very different but philosophically close < 1339010455 97782 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why is having that option a bad thing? < 1339010482 44772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It causes the language to be less useful < 1339010485 377928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not useful < 1339010492 422464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. It makes it less beautiful < 1339010502 549846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try (map Math/sin [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010519 184429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (map #(Math/sin %) [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010593 908203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these does not work? < 1339010629 876906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first does not. < 1339010652 717982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how in JavaScript you can't say "var foo = console.log; foo(5);" < 1339010663 412075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say foo = console.log.bind(console) or something like that, though. < 1339010679 29548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thnaks, cnosole.lgo)(! < 1339010691 316045 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010722 809010 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, i was bitten by an equivalent problem just recently. < 1339010730 122411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sucks :/ < 1339010737 895826 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fundamental reason for that < 1339010739 243181 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected var foo = bar.baz; foo(…) to work. < 1339010747 840965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now you know why! < 1339010753 867103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe you knew why before too.) < 1339010754 180718 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339010771 838764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you like how "eval(...);" isn't the same as "(5,eval)(...);"? < 1339010776 959140 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i still don’t know *why*. :-P < 1339010778 952394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a silly egghead FP academic would expect that to work < 1339010789 973802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like how ",,," == new Array(4) < 1339010795 764119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1339010800 853480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339010805 866775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because when you say foo.bar(), "this" is set to foo in bar's evaluation context thing. < 1339010843 521408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i figured as much, but that just explain the problem, not *why*. :-P < 1339010853 492270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how would you do it? < 1339010856 705242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think it's due to Math/sin being a Java static method? < 1339010870 849405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind JS's prototypical OO thing and all that. < 1339010889 151049 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010891 83803 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but why shouldn't those be callable like functions < 1339010893 981483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven’t actually thought about this that thorougly. < 1339010923 310231 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go against some philosophical rule of Clojure, or is there some implementation difficulty, or they just haven't got around to making it work? < 1339010985 430246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2208865/how-do-i-pass-a-static-method-to-comp-in-clojure < 1339011021 319192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it goes against the philisophical rule of being a slave to easy Java interop < 1339011023 546264 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011106 815294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm confused < 1339011115 132069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying they care too little about java interop to make this work? < 1339011116 584882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too much? < 1339011122 912167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the latter case, how does that make any sense < 1339011173 30017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much... or maybe it's an efficiency thing? I don't actually know < 1339011178 821974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a Clojure designer < 1339011186 78219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#clojure does exist < 1339011211 413259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they cared too much about java interop, then wouldn't they work hard to make java methods be first-class in clojure? < 1339011253 971455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do I have any chance of getting you to ask in #clojure , because I'm curious too < 1339011292 399538 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011418 572707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And if your browser isn't quite new enough to say console.log.bind(console), fortunately you can say something as obvious as http://p.zem.fi/jsbind to almost make it work except not really with the same semantics. < 1339011425 571482 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339011458 224086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011476 218007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1339011478 25016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1339011486 524787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks
< 1339011487 68247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could ask in #clojure ;P < 1339011519 163920 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339011536 659259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: clojure functions are each actually classes, java methods are just bytecode < 1339011759 141726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question isn't so much "why are they different" as "why can't one be implicitly converted to the other" < 1339011928 624983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is this an adequate way to ask your question? gtrak, is it not possible to, when Clojure sees a Java method being used in a context where a clojure function is expected, implictly make a clojure function or something like that? < 1339012011 190948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: sorta < 1339012011 390629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: it's very easy to do < 1339012011 390849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,(#(.toString "hello")) < 1339012011 390961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : what function does ".foo" represent? (fn [x] (.foo x))? or (fn [x y] (.foo x y))? or... < 1339012096 964458 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339012152 820727 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1339012200 894542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe netsplit now occuring < 1339012226 964012 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339012227 123415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or just var log = function() { return console.log.apply(console, arguments); }; < 1339012302 478994 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh also did you try clairvoyance everyone? < 1339012318 467235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hiredman: at some point we talked for a few minutes about how you could automatically turn Foo/bar into a function, if it's used in a context where it can't be anything else. i couldn't remember if you'd actually done it < 1339012318 649805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely not < 1339012318 809550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* johnmn3 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) < 1339012318 809732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely doable < 1339012340 119982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not everyone but lots of people/things. < 1339012349 690695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean in general or inside the milkworld? < 1339012537 514778 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general. < 1339012542 254134 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on like everyone. < 1339012574 944968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....WTF < 1339012582 739217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF did I just listen to? < 1339012605 764085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012619 828441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You just listened to: < 1339012624 943473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012633 836325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hope That HTHs" < 1339012640 106850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a light switch rave! < 1339012648 209652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Isn't Dr. Loboto great? < 1339012656 21811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish he was *my* doctor. < 1339012678 596525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised to discover that Dr. Loboto was referred to as "he".) < 1339012690 453203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you not like strongbad? < 1339012693 554342 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in Psychonauts has a screechy voice. < 1339012697 555716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because they're psychic. < 1339012700 719514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339012707 314059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because they are "characters" < 1339012715 405242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the milo spy german dude < 1339012718 361067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like his voice < 1339012725 727484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Dr. Loboto is psychic? < 1339012760 653634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy < 1339012771 2809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how Haddock plays with fixity declarations for class methods? < 1339012806 219237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339012823 213389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it "on goode authority" that you want to get to at least 90 before The Big Fight. < 1339012853 300011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: belay that authority. i had no trouble beating the game with ~60/65 exp < 1339012880 474622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need regeneration or whatever. i never got it. < 1339012896 488500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to sleep before you fight the butcher the first time < 1339012897 832902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is probably right. < 1339012903 24541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run the meat circus < 1339012906 423957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep? < 1339012913 787746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like, in real life < 1339012928 152054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's impossible to beat if you've been playing for 8 hours and been up for 18 < 1339012928 444860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339012933 174274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but easy if you just got up < 1339012939 948288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Apparently: < 1339012954 292393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PS One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)" < 1339012965 538803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1339012967 368356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1339012973 736326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339013084 568817 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339013086 712732 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34. < 1339013225 656166 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure the designers accounted for how floaty the levitation jump is. < 1339013228 283780 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339013274 324167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the levitation-training-course. :-( < 1339013463 527742 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked it. < 1339013475 131171 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't fall that much. < 1339013949 309689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you learn it it becomes super handy < 1339014468 993199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, besides the stupidity of some people in #clojure, and the excessive Java focus, are there any big problems with Clojure? < 1339014836 195869 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015129 932344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, what a beautiful sunset. I should get my camera out. Might need HDR to do it justice though. < 1339015462 711532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I quite liked that level < 1339015490 508190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Speaking of which, I panoramizzed Norway quite a bit, I don't think I mentioned. Though I don't have a selection handy. < 1339015512 252761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I found that my camera battery was not charged, so no photography for me atm < 1339015526 913949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it isn't just an AA, it is a custom form factor) < 1339015547 151827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nothing uploaded? < 1339015560 1171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see some panoramas < 1339015561 407040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's quite a pile, I just don't have a good selection. < 1339015565 775122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1339015568 770317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/g2/d/20550-1/d07-133622-133717.jpg is I think kinda fancy, even though the waves are all messed up for the obvious reason, and I left the tripod in the car so the horizon is kinda snakey. < 1339015574 733936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's got that snow+sand thing going on. < 1339015581 234960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, snow+sand+sea thing. < 1339015609 350059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hugin can straighten horizons quite well < 1339015619 469025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it is cool < 1339015628 863316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was this? < 1339015653 907059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the horizon is straight, I meant the black border thing, since I didn't want to clip out too much. < 1339015668 819253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, take two passes, one high and the other low < 1339015668 978725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around Easter, this particular one was April 7th. < 1339015671 346646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to work < 1339015702 359602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe less zoomed in would have helped with the waves, reducing the number of cuts at least < 1339015721 809281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of camera did you use? < 1339015722 335087 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015806 675596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy <-- I did have to play around with the levels, but mostly the issue I had was that the music was way too loud compared to the voice < 1339015807 452848 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the meat circus, but since then Tim Schafer has said “One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)� < 1339015822 589509 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this game is getting obnoxiously hard. < 1339015828 898958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should tell elliott that Psychonauts is good! < 1339015836 223251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also encourage Phantom__Hoover. < 1339015842 59147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Which part is obnoxiously hard? < 1339015843 384361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I haven't got to meat circus yet, though I think I'm just before it. < 1339015857 358757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only sort I have, it's this "compact-zoom" thing. Some of them do have two passes for higher vertical FOV. I'll try to find some others. < 1339015867 409925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is it just after the boss battle against the tank (not the tank in the mind that is, the other tank)? < 1339015884 988555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, i don’t remember exactly. < 1339015889 842692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, pretty much. < 1339015892 902603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not a DSLR? < 1339015901 339179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a short thing beforehand but it's the next major level. < 1339015902 777390 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm at Gloria's Theatre, but I'm hemorrhaging health. < 1339015907 521747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yeah then I last saved just before that boss battle < 1339015918 364494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015937 62099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, since I'm a completionist I'm unlikely to continue playing for a while :P < 1339015946 474488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the story that is < 1339015957 858888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to pick up everything that I missed, cobwebs and so on < 1339015958 736196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completionist? < 1339015960 728393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1339015971 280892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point where you can't get back to the real world. < 1339015975 402928 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015979 733487 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everything. < 1339015985 93654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note that you *can* get back to other minds past that point. < 1339015987 848390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the real world. < 1339015994 11364 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The censors at the top of stairs on narrow, short catwalks aren't helping either,. < 1339015997 624461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, exactly, since it said "autosaving: point of no return" I went like "Okaaaaay..." < 1339016016 695477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So go finish the scavenger hunt and find all the cards and such. < 1339016019 854212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, I would need to go buy cores and so on < 1339016024 807796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't need to worry about cobwebs, I don't think. < 1339016030 336367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339016039 553009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you cash them in for levels then? < 1339016043 991234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I remember correctly you don't need to buy cores anymore past that point. < 1339016050 789286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, just psi blast them? < 1339016061 272027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339016063 78576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1339016067 236044 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operative words here are 'narrow' and 'short'. < 1339016068 12542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. It's the sort of midway-but-not-quite. Built-in zoom lens that goes up to... "12x" or some-such, 432mm in 35mm-equiv terms. But the sensor is still tiny, so it's very noisy especially at ISO > 100. < 1339016082 235122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1339016084 581113 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't blast them because they just close and corner me. < 1339016103 558625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, similar to my camera then, except mine is only really noisy above ISO 200 < 1339016119 639754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is 10 years old or so by now < 1339016125 548010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and the brains. < 1339016129 829153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find all the brains, maybe < 1339016135 34004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right, I'm missing one brain still < 1339016144 39709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. < 1339016145 495040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blue guy who blasted squirrels < 1339016150 374065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue where his brain is < 1339016153 155828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogen? < 1339016174 416221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, err probably, I suck at remembering names (even in real life) < 1339016203 202803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one who loses his brain? < 1339016217 75524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339016217 235085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Rees and Blackwing Pencils: Artisanal Pencil Sharpening http://youtu.be/spMaP-_Cq_8 < 1339016221 767838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that guy < 1339016240 465645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one was tricky. < 1339016250 468405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, he blasted some squirrels if you talked to him at one point earlier. < 1339016256 745397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339016281 195814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where was that brain < 1339016302 969344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the place with the rats. < 1339016316 140308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hmm, here's another. It's taken by walking around this thing http://zem.fi/g2/d/20784-2/d08-074718-p1120942.jpg so there's a bit of parallax-caused "chain cuts off in air" sort of stuff, but not too much: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20789-1/d08-074812-074922.jpg < 1339016329 717378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so a huge section of the tower then? < 1339016333 692242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of help that < 1339016366 582800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should have climbed onto the top of it < 1339016370 194971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1339016393 858122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a locked hatch. (Or maybe I just didn't feel like it.) < 1339016398 655304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember exactly. < 1339016416 254506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I can look it up as well as you can... < 1339016420 613970 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pretty. Hugin? I’d suggest straightening the horizont. < 1339016428 520830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s quite easy with Hugin. < 1339016430 756095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't the latest photoshop version supposed to have some sort of fancy thing that filled in missing stuff based on surrounding image areas, and that even worked quite well < 1339016436 712919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem to remember hearing about that < 1339016453 701029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful with panoramas < 1339016495 664091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has that thing, yes. And Gimp has that "Resynthesizer" plugin, which... works less well. < 1339016502 782411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it does work not too shabbily sometimes.) < 1339016505 50910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well I could just google it and find some walkthrough, but using a walkthrough just feels like failing the game to me < 1339016511 560317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339016534 6733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's gone through one iteration of the "Straighten" button already. I had too many of these to join to actually really look at the output, and people wanted to see the photos already. < 1339016544 598837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What's the difference between that and asking on IRC? < 1339016553 694296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Being a completionistperson seems like pain enough to me, anyway. < 1339016568 593984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, at least I don't risk seeing anything else that would be a spoiler by asking on IRC :P < 1339016572 787935 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure the straighten button actually straightens the horizon. You need to add some control points for that. < 1339016580 288969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, I see. You want me to look it up and paste it in here? < 1339016580 878882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop is so confusing nowdays, they have all sorts of different editions it seems... < 1339016583 737662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just optimize as usual. < 1339016588 111824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that would be very kind < 1339016615 786746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dogen's Brain: In the large tower, from the left end of the lowest wooden walkway around the rim, jump and float along the wall to a small crumbled ledge below. Step out one of the windows here to find the far on an outdoor landing." < 1339016643 281441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to clear all the cobwebs in several minds btw already. Need to go back to some of the early ones to clean them up. And then there are all those figments of imagination around. That is going to take ages to clean up < 1339016664 194950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's one straight off the road: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20130-1/d06-122503-122700.jpg < 1339016666 400475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it isn't even useful to look up guides, because who knows which one I missed < 1339016686 89474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, thanks < 1339016688 680088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The weather was quite... variable.) < 1339016717 192871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? Looks the same across that pano at least? < 1339016736 25611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know that the only benefit to going from level 95 to level 100 is that it shows you a little movie? < 1339016736 583458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I mean, just in general, across the trip. < 1339016745 877317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ouch < 1339016752 592243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway I'm on like 89 atm < 1339016753 970867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got stuck in snow once and all. < 1339016759 210721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At level 90 you get regeneration. < 1339016767 100458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 95 you get unlimited ammo. < 1339016776 814568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wait, was it 89? Hm, what was it that you got at 85? < 1339016793 255318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of these are hotel room photos, it's too useful in tight corners to be able to fake a wide-angle objective. < 1339016794 413389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double confusion? < 1339016797 68846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrecking ball is the last one I remember getting, though I was rather sleepy when I stopped playing < 1339016807 907178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday night) < 1339016835 16305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, btw, what is the video about? < 1339016841 158465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it worth watching?) < 1339016875 718705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't your camera do wide angle? Mine goes down to 28mm (35 mm equiv) < 1339016893 264446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is reasonably wide angle < 1339016910 536042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is 28-370 or something like that. < 1339016953 14966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it stops at the "standard-ish" 36mm. The next model did 28-, it became a popular thing to do around that time. Oh well. < 1339016991 561029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, more popular; certainly cameras that did 28mm already existed at that time; I think it's from 2007 or so.) < 1339017020 467667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339017038 742439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my camera is from 2002 or 2003 or so < 1339017053 924535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah they existed :P < 1339017135 837744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it has really amazing macro, I can get like 5-10 cm away from the subject, depending on the zoom level) < 1339017191 921856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another full-circle one from a road rest stop: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20413-1/d07-102527-102558.jpg -- it's right next to this fancy bridge http://zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg -- that's behind the snow-heap there. < 1339017202 129777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can just see the top of the bridge.) < 1339017245 422412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bridge < 1339017261 55072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've managed to have a seam right in our car. :/ (Well, it *is* quite close.) < 1339017272 389369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did firefox change something or why is the background for the image page not white? < 1339017277 283138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it actually a html page? < 1339017285 217130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a HTML page, actually. < 1339017286 866071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is the view source alternative then < 1339017296 5504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those Gallery2 URLs, it might be doing weird stuffs. < 1339017296 404975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is grayed out < 1339017305 477466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :view source is grayed out though < 1339017318 346871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's white for me. Dunno. < 1339017324 510556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also wtf is up with the redirect: http://β.zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg < 1339017331 344276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy DNS < 1339017335 321971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why?) < 1339017344 778100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of regretting the β, honestly. < 1339017351 780872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017360 368242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice when it works, but xn--nxa.zem.fi is less optimal. < 1339017364 976074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339017369 859511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some browsers are very asinine about when they show IDNs and when not. < 1339017376 221686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017380 17456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1339017381 272765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add Greek to my list of languages in order for Chrome to show that letter. < 1339017387 973295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339017402 975511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me open chromium and check < 1339017403 976551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas Firefox just has a TLD whitelist of domains where there's an official protocol for avoiding confusing names.) < 1339017414 674121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't do it < 1339017429 500650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox seems a lot more sensible there < 1339017449 673408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly sensible to apply TLD-specific rules when it comes to non-second-level domain name components, though. < 1339017456 610368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339017482 906933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can watch the bonus video online if you want to. < 1339017493 195427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's worth the agony. < 1339017499 522982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you don't need to complete past level 95. < 1339017514 580689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's redirected because "zem.fi" is on the VPS nowadays, but there's just 6G of disk there total, and the Gallery2 data directory is already 19G, so I host it locally. < 1339017645 968805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm still, gah < 1339017685 473495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the pricing plans for VPS disk space tend to be absolutely terrible in my experience < 1339017697 629654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for RAM really < 1339017753 3481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339017754 598656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I wonder what is the lowest level you could complete the game on, certainly you do need some of the skills you get from leveling < 1339017760 384754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like invisibility iirc < 1339017811 914996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the reverse-completionist. < 1339017884 285784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite interesting as well < 1339017890 263753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a Chrono Trigger low-level-run with Crono at level 1. < 1339017897 205042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it would certainly be much harder to do < 1339017907 177788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the other characters? < 1339017929 697374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: More, sadly. Some of them join at quite high levels. I'll see if I can figure out how to Google for it. < 1339017963 560636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway just getting chrono at level 1 is quite an achievement. I can't actually see how it would be possible < 1339017974 221687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/getting/keeping/ < 1339017979 230112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get exp when knocked-out, so Crono spends quite a lot of time unconscious. < 1339018002 903123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about keeping a Chrono Legionnaire unpromoted? < 1339018005 458730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be pretty easy. < 1339018017 301791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial on-party-join levels are apparently 1, 1, 2, 5, 10, 18 and 37 for Crono, Marle, Lucca, Frog, Robo, Ayla and Magus, respectively. < 1339018021 448852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what game is that? < 1339018028 607425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Alert 2. < 1339018033 172893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339018034 101065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goode game" < 1339018052 740834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what sort of game red alert is < 1339018084 714583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm kock out happens at 0 HP right? < 1339018090 601063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339018103 848583 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please put it back in. < 1339018110 244166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing that chrono actually dies as well. Ah the power of the cut scenes. < 1339018127 845888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Real-time strategy" < 1339018131 579928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, final levels in this run-through were Crono at level 1, Marle at level 4, Lucca at 15, Frog at 15, Robo at 16, Ayla at 20 and Magus at 37. (There's the item called "Wallet" which turns gained exp into gold, but you can only get that in the Zeal era, i.e. quite late in the game.) < 1339018134 662324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right < 1339018152 254869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should acquire a copy! < 1339018156 101546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1339018166 764821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not really into RTS < 1339018187 485527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from possibly dwarf fortress, and that isn't strictly an RTS, it is a lot more than that. < 1339018231 406589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The full description of the run is in GameFAQs, Chrono Trigger (SNES), "Low-Level FAQ/Walkthrough", but it's some >4000 lines of text...) < 1339018238 710497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018286 79874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is, like, a special case, man. < 1339018326 722756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1339018460 982798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently during the game Crono gains a total of 9+6=15 exp, from a total of two fights. (Level 2 comes at 20 exp.) Rest of the time you just let him die before the end of every fight. < 1339018479 918519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018495 368531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must not be a very pleasant run-though from the point of view of the characters. < 1339018529 494403 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1339018569 66514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018583 647099 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018595 263678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess after you gain robo you can just move him out of your party < 1339018638 507286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339018663 886022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they mostly keep the currently highest-leveled character as the single conscious-at-end-of-battle character, since the gaps between gaining levels are largest for him/her/it. < 1339018671 780566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and I think there's a level-1 run of Final Fantasy IX too. It ends up finishing the final boss with a party of four level-1 characters. < 1339018722 403948 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: chrono legionnaires were the best < 1339018728 311880 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could totally bust the allied campaign up with them < 1339018736 393345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used the waypoint trick < 1339018741 851643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Waypoint trick? < 1339018756 163458 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A legionnaire doesn't time out if it moves a short distance < 1339018767 146877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you set up a bunch of waypoints to move it across the map very quickly in short hops < 1339018770 475639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339018774 467067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1339018776 69424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1339018783 979487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, RA2 is the future, man. < 1339018790 623382 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get enough of them into a weakly-defended location in order to freeze all the defenses < 1339018796 124865 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really powerful on, say, the kremlin level < 1339018820 763027 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AI is braindead so it doesn't go "oh hey things behind my lines I should stop them" < 1339018825 894931 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that the defenses present will be enough < 1339018831 173851 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they aren't, because you're vaporizing them < 1339018846 535471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a terrible game < 1339018850 874147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the AI is that bad < 1339018856 921792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018872 266625 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in campaign mode the AI mostly executes a series of preplanned things < 1339018880 115097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "build up X force then attack with it" < 1339018886 998670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks different < 1339018892 142750 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly old so AI still rather sucked back then < 1339018900 772215 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the harder AI just cheats. < 1339018929 824178 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like building multiple buildings simultaneously, which a player can never do < 1339018934 314831 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ever played RA3? < 1339018937 794704 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good < 1339018939 228312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1339018941 174279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yep! < 1339018944 156636 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it leans too far to micromanagement I think < 1339018948 823818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-( < 1339018948 983707 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with special abilities) < 1339018954 670593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTSes all do that. < 1339018956 974846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1339018968 61907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, there are some that lean the other way < 1339018979 695481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to feel dumbed down though < 1339018993 901177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scriptability would seem to be the obvious way to fix that. < 1339018996 794054 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 was particularly bad < 1339019009 544387 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a force that you were watching carefully could do notably better < 1339019010 174330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, like the macros in df? < 1339019020 717742 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could tell it to use special weapons at appropriate times < 1339019027 651413 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some units this makes a huge difference < 1339019034 474376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know anything about df. < 1339019036 44535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -h < 1339019040 495807 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever played Majesty? < 1339019040 655379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, dwarf fortress < 1339019044 156447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1339019046 559146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should play it < 1339019048 919742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool < 1339019055 153154 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a great (if occasionally frustrating) RTS that didnt' have you micromanage < 1339019056 69149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nope. < 1339019064 122969 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you were just the king, you couldn't order your units around < 1339019072 516532 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted them to kill stuff, you had to put a bounty on it < 1339019076 526958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339019084 651168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you still have RA3 set up? < 1339019088 514148 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1339019094 336857 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a computer capable of playing it atm < 1339019105 529429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is that game? < 1339019112 112027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 that is < 1339019112 579053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is from ~2000 < 1339019118 3548 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3-4 years I think? < 1339019118 715054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 is from -- ~2007? < 1339019127 93586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 < 1339019127 641293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anything modern should be able to play RA2 then :P < 1339019136 36028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 might be a different matter < 1339019136 952764 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can definitely play RA2 on Wine < 1339019138 267960 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1339019139 609560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 has this annoying DRM. < 1339019142 338755 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339019145 936721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i h8 ur drm ra2" < 1339019149 90217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339019170 943637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work on WINE? < 1339019173 623228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good DRM ever was the monkey island DRM, it was amusing < 1339019191 144613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the dial a pirate stuff) < 1339019261 135790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you know why RA3 runs so well under WINE? < 1339019320 62512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Because EA explicitly made it run well under wine in order to "port" to OS X: http://transgaming.com/cider/games?page=2 < 1339019406 584840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I downloaded bastion for linux from the humble bundle (I owned it on steam already). It was news to me that XNA games worked under mono, but it came with mono included so... < 1339019427 969535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't get it to work on the laptop I had at hand at that point though, intel graphics < 1339019607 988811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway the last humble bundle is amazing < 1339019616 659325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :best one ever I think. < 1339019635 975607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make one bundle that has all the good games. < 1339019640 610238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Y'know what fools the black-hats every time? Store the passwords in plaintext; but require all users to create a password consisting of exactly 64 hexadecimal characters... < 1339019640 794530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339019643 479261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339019643 647483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5h 44m 50s ago: Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1339019661 328277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3184900.62 dollars cannot be wrong. < 1339019669 384709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott during the tournament, I'm avoiding all but critical fixes < 1339019669 544296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339019685 935137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kinda-sorta sad, though, that there's a brony on top of the contributor list. < 1339019789 555792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so... Trine, Psychonauts, Bastion, Avadon: The Black Fortress (I love Spiderweb Software!), Braid, Botanicula, Darwinia, VVVVVV? < 1339019806 736634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly limbo and amnesia too, though I'm not a fan of horror games < 1339019848 557146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Goo is not a bad waste of time either. < 1339019876 266409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not if you run out of other things no < 1339019915 750043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it annoys me when I own some of the games previously, like Avadon or Bastion. Owned those before the respective bundles < 1339019948 246800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using the objective "total purchases" measure, this last one is indeed the most glorious bundle. < 1339019953 951807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get the bundle with Avadon because of that. Got the bundle with bastion due to psychonauts < 1339019976 100932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though (at least at the moment, anyway) not if using the "average price" measure. < 1339020028 342936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to raise slowly, it still got several days to go < 1339020057 152014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to go up to $9.18 to match the first bundle, it might well not get that far. < 1339020074 834809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably not that much < 1339020104 800616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was around $6.68 or so when I bought, about one day in. < 1339020125 3974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone has a graph somewhere. :p < 1339020154 497743 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020191 731327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but if I hover my mouse over the pie graph of Windows/Mac/Linux, it turns grayscale. < 1339020218 56060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, *tries* < 1339020236 668300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true < 1339020262 485014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird < 1339020506 862965 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA2, you need to get nocd patches and pray hard < 1339020510 877524 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA3, dunno < 1339020519 64659 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried since my computer can't run in anyway < 1339020560 310486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are these "nocd patches" official? < 1339020567 163320 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339020576 160157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All hail the Sun God, he sure is a fun god, RA RA2 RA3. < 1339020584 765911 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also need them for the other option, which is a VM < 1339020592 852348 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :please detach the debugger FUCK YOU < 1339020619 783258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In a VM you can use a CD image. < 1339020624 109453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of the right kind.) < 1339020628 724646 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can't < 1339020635 873197 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: RA2 mistakes the VM for a debugger < 1339020640 975007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not .iso, but some other kind. < 1339020642 747582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339020657 283531 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM again < 1339020668 604533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, DRM. < 1339020840 585715 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not exist with hardware virtualization < 1339020846 863125 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does exist with software < 1339020896 557660 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020908 598488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Yeah, they apparently used http://monogame.codeplex.com/ with good success. < 1339021044 983311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339021074 451749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, should try magicka with that, though that might be steamworks as well, not sure < 1339021179 154019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're supposed to have the sources of the game in question, at least in the usual way of using that thing. < 1339021195 913254 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1339021300 155359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1339021314 525869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not ABI compatible? < 1339021408 645569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *know* anything. At least it might involve fiddling. < 1339021431 153427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339021431 350471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339021445 314229 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I have lag of 30.08 < 1339021457 522844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really something to be proud of? < 1339021522 900232 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. now it is gone < 1339021525 985252 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339021538 111279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that IPv6 launch day today. (Well, yesterday already, as seen from here.) < 1339021591 91475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ^echo foo < 1339021591 796534 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo foo < 1339021667 802664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahaha < 1339021683 603970 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339021704 288937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo `run echo "foo" < 1339021704 922304 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "foo" < 1339021709 955928 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339021713 857417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339021718 33462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, IPv6 launch day? < 1339021720 594039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339021725 85741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339021728 582636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ < 1339021735 545769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 has been around for ages, but no one uses it < 1339021756 838831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Facebook, Google, Youtube and Yahoo now do. < 1339021761 20403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339021769 397080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been ipv6.google.com for ages < 1339021776 324187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "google.com" is now v6. < 1339021793 670988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now my tunnel is counterproductive -_- < 1339021794 292138 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG #esoteric foo < 1339021808 67316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ADSL modem doesn't even support ipv6 < 1339021813 304876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does my ISP afaik < 1339021828 259348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "youtube.com" and "facebook.com" and "yahoo.com". And then some lesser fish (microsoft.com, aol.com, netflix.com, mozilla.org) but those four are the top four Alexa-ranked pages of the entire interwebs. < 1339021853 639445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should now stop my ipv6 tunnel if I ever want to watch a youtube video < 1339021854 365714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1339021875 855021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bandwidth is not as good as native, obviously) < 1339021880 321697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of network operators (Verizon Wireless, Comcast) also default-enabled v6, for some definition of the term. < 1339021888 653119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I can /just/ about manage 1080p on my native connection) < 1339021944 564506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet, the Finnish university network, is on the list. Maybe it means they'll finally get some native v6 at the university. Probably not, though. (The student housing network has been v6-enabled for ages, as I recall.) < 1339021977 749127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it just means that Funet is willing if the client is interested, which has also been the case long now. < 1339021988 63671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339022002 433152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the list? < 1339022006 264600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tele2 there? < 1339022023 137209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=2 -- not too many names. < 1339022045 800312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet seems to be the only thing from Finland. < 1339022072 900902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339022077 418339 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339022085 631753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slbkbs.org: now brought to you with the power of ipv6" < 1339022119 855128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably mostly a matter of finding someone in the organization willing to put a name there. Certainly SUNET gives out IPv6 addresses too. < 1339022122 839278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :slbkbs.org? < 1339022124 695101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.sunet.se/ipv6/ < 1339022199 668007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see facebook has decided to be "clever" with their addresses. < 1339022200 206587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022200 365303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: < 1339022200 365498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:1f02:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022209 7979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :face:b00c, yes yes, very "heh". < 1339022224 995091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339022247 117855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My domain name! < 1339022252 54995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339022283 341132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing my part" < 1339022303 343467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi should also be accessible for v6-only hosts nowadays, I think I finally got some IPv6 glue in the .fi registry when they upgraded their infrastructure earlier this year. < 1339022341 868558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "dig @a.fi zem.fi" gives out one v6 address too. "Yay." < 1339022377 913130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have no ipv6 connectivity at all < 1339022408 362098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... except at work < 1339022465 555574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalto.fi, our university, at least has IPv6able DNS by virtue of having ns-secondary.funet.fi as a secondary DNS server. That's all, though. < 1339022720 876400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ams-ix.net/sflow-stats/ipv6/ -- well, that's somewhat of a bump there for today. < 1339022726 213666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it needs ipv6 glue? Only for the DNS surely? < 1339022776 353555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't have that earlier. The .fi roots have been v6-enabled again for ages, but IIRC the domain administration webterface didn't let you stick in glue, and my DNS server used to have an in-zem.fi name. < 1339022789 421343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339022856 500061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course important for that huge number of v6-only hosts that don't have any IPv4 connectivity at all. < 1339022964 377782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the rather large subset of that who frequent zem.fi. < 1339022972 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in integer terms that rounds up to... 0 hosts. < 1339023244 82180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339023244 82320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339023277 534502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fast. < 1339023412 754642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a.fi is one of the .fi root servers? < 1339023462 432357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, they're named a.fi, b.fi, ... up to some letter. Us Finns are not known for creativity, after all. < 1339023485 972333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to remember what the root servers are called < 1339023491 91895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they're single letters too, but forget the domain < 1339023507 878882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go up to i, apparently. < 1339023526 525049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are X.root-servers.net. < 1339023555 640923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And X.gtld-servers.net handle .com and some others. < 1339023557 604594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they are usually written in upper case < 1339023563 790480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the DNS that is < 1339023574 365944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. The .fi roots aren't. < 1339023580 217262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023590 511322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 193.0.14.129 < 1339023590 700894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer k.root-servers.net. < 1339023591 275690 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023597 624721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it normalizes the casing? < 1339023604 643339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that bot? < 1339023606 627602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ help < 1339023606 990064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023611 531709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339023612 227011 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339023618 284047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Forthy thing. < 1339023620 370396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Forth < 1339023621 464623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023625 820356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ANS Forth? < 1339023632 851105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1339023639 941301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not if that is the complete word list < 1339023640 100829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. (It's not mine.) < 1339023648 427185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the minimum Forth subset needed to implement the rest, without involving asm anywhere? < 1339023652 777915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are multiple such subsets < 1339023665 823973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously. < 1339023688 11898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a comp.forth (IIRC) thread about that recently. Some of the constructions were rather bizarre, especially after expanding. < 1339023711 62031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/comp/comp.lang/. < 1339023719 316836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you mean bizarre? < 1339023726 548293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in word like : are just weird? < 1339023729 653890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :words* < 1339023741 667885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, : is not a proper word is it? I don't remember < 1339023754 541801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember the definition of ; is weird < 1339023802 263467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not even close. oonbotto doesn't even have conditional execution or loops < 1339023822 428795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339023846 106205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it is your bot? < 1339023848 172881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could get it to : ; r> >r r@ if then begin while repeat - < 1339023851 343129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1339023852 293676 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339023856 804385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why so few words? < 1339023870 150769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin but not end? neat < 1339023889 863827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just that if you build the "primitive" stack manipulations out of >R and R>, and then the "bit less primitive" ones (nip, etc.) out of those, the more complicated ones, expanded out, will look rather horrible. < 1339023917 695708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339023920 814335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't really worked with that forth interpreter that much. I will make if and while available < 1339023925 109172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one is "nip" now again? < 1339023945 411792 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well oonbotti actually implements stack manipulation with them < 1339023949 45375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you want DOES> too < 1339023952 790195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could find references to a 9-word set in comp.lang.forth. < 1339023958 864330 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339023982 499478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how else can you implement separate run time and compile time semantics? < 1339023987 610600 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339023990 266526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly I mean < 1339023991 598655 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339023994 465019 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339023997 835796 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339024005 467661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339024010 852473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024011 16296 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024011 752418 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024019 107062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm what is the definition of of FORGET now again? < 1339024028 321859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers running $ forget :
< 1339024033 558857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be evil) < 1339024057 772027 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run it if you want. I have commad to restore the entire environment < 1339024062 567652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024067 663392 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : dup >r r@ r> ; < 1339024077 853892 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : drop dup - - ; < 1339024086 681817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that is a terrible definition of dup :( < 1339024093 787220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of drop too < 1339024099 845799 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : + >r 0 r> - - ; < 1339024103 640181 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339024109 324217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient < 1339024114 928883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should be implemented in asm < 1339024115 640056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339024163 701983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted to create small subset I could expand in forth. those are actually the original implementations < 1339024179 172167 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of oonbottis forth interpreter < 1339024196 842095 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : swap over >r >r drop r> r> ; < 1339024220 651960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : nip swap drop ; < 1339024223 673306 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024224 349252 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024236 981620 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget MOD < 1339024237 821499 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'MOD' cannot be forgotten < 1339024254 47996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I haven't rewritten that one in forth yet < 1339024274 733253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch < 1339024294 65798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET FORGET < 1339024294 248224 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339024296 839216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024301 72 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety is stupid < 1339024310 582760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, dammit where is @ < 1339024318 786188 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only words that are written in forth can be forgotten < 1339024328 766166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is annoying < 1339024340 503669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET ; < 1339024340 865963 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ';' cannot be forgotten < 1339024348 320313 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339024349 11853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ; can be written in Forth < 1339024354 854736 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how? < 1339024370 469828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it uses EXIT and some restarting of the interpreter using ] iirc? < 1339024386 291576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ANS at least < 1339024394 615705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey resetenv is not listed in WORDS :/ < 1339024417 416336 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is because it is not part of interpreter < 1339024442 648452 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just throws the old interpreter instace out of window and creates new < 1339024460 785537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well yes < 1339024464 398224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024484 566640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1339024489 315234 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ RESETENV < 1339024489 916462 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339024490 97665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : : ; POSTPONE EXIT REVEAL POSTPONE [ ; IMMEDIATE < 1339024490 330113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I can't find the discussion. I think it even had some esolanger suggest a shorter r> >r mess and all. < 1339024492 88396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^ < 1339024494 619955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1339024501 125910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some trickery yes < 1339024514 696235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are lacking the IMMEDIATE word too < 1339024521 565809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how you can do that in Forth itself < 1339024564 201153 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can really see how you can create whole ans forth using those < 1339024568 385488 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't < 1339024584 828964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well no, you need a few more things < 1339024587 400980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024596 378993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that bit is enough for defining ; < 1339024616 914593 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ; to declare ; :P < 1339024631 785055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how so? the [ handles that < 1339024662 998474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually < 1339024665 167647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024673 512332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind then < 1339024767 958065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here is a discussion; I remember reading at least this one. < 1339024775 441908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html < 1339024779 120934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has oklopol in the comments. < 1339024816 303321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there have been comp.lang.forth minimalism threads too. Nothing very conclusive. < 1339024829 8840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339024836 168698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" < 1339024847 343989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a thing. < 1339024847 518635 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting how over is exactly the same as mine < 1339024902 207835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing quoted above is I think ROT. < 1339024914 522386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it's claimed to be. < 1339024941 330723 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r swap r> swap ; < 1339024956 167011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is pretty elegant < 1339025010 160612 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ 1 + ; < 1339025028 969669 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ dup - ; < 1339025046 81476 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025046 977828 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025048 778748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best zero. < 1339025058 871443 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339025067 245663 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339025070 333494 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025070 888959 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025085 800403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" <-- which command is that? < 1339025094 871639 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swap < 1339025100 602548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, rot. < 1339025109 436794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339025122 380881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r> ; < 1339025125 750465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a terrible implementation in practise :P < 1339025127 966816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the >r >r >r at start, can't be swap. < 1339025136 344749 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 3 2 1 rot . . . < 1339025137 103943 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1 2 < 1339025138 825506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bit shorter one later on. < 1339025148 999082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't rot < 1339025162 262474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1339025163 166516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339025165 681037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - -" < 1339025169 886361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025171 438525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the okoswap. < 1339025172 454528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the stack the wrong way < 1339025195 437180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder... < 1339025197 281513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : FORGET >r ; < 1339025206 402051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can replace words? < 1339025216 915280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ WORDS < 1339025220 344437 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET FORGET + DROP 1+ 0 SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025222 341816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339025236 354275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you can't get at the real FORGET without resetting the env < 1339025240 507698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339025240 694436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339025242 304125 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget < 1339025249 516360 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339025252 791158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339025277 631732 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339025400 747873 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually $ is just alias for #forth < 1339025403 97335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1339025403 785502 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth < 1339025423 529081 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#writefile test.forth 1 2 3 . . . < 1339025435 179201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#loadforth test.forth < 1339025436 375670 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 2 1 < 1339025445 120684 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.fortj < 1339025447 147598 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.forth < 1339025519 502076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome nortti < 1339025520 323241 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Welcome to this completely useless channel! < 1339025551 980636 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed to run on #esoteric-en < 1339025569 503099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025570 162822 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025598 872120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: only words defined on forth can be forgotten < 1339025599 557987 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1339025620 341969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : : ; < 1339025641 209503 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that worked < 1339025651 722831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : test 1 . ; < 1339025654 300427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ test < 1339025654 942681 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339025667 624992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget ; < 1339025668 293111 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339025669 969374 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget test < 1339025672 437580 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025673 600988 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025674 457064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025680 238802 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025685 280925 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339025685 836180 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025692 664820 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339025695 671675 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339025698 292076 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339025700 906483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339025703 145713 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339025705 800554 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget over < 1339025759 675184 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later I will implement MOD in forth < 1339026054 565415 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339026452 261750 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026464 207438 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026464 771569 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Stack underflow < 1339026495 393072 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026496 48819 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339026505 971116 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339026509 391823 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026512 288318 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026512 906008 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 1 < 1339026518 900017 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026519 585671 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 1 2 1 < 1339026545 364687 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : mod 2dup / * - ; < 1339026564 500412 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 2 mod . < 1339026564 978549 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026570 499243 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 3 mod . < 1339026571 354419 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026578 723844 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 3 mod . < 1339026579 346484 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026585 954034 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 4 mod . < 1339026586 558740 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339026775 187197 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ r@ r@ / + ; < 1339026796 46978 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339026817 226957 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1 0 1+ ; < 1339026838 612173 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2 1 1+ ; < 1339026847 873408 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 3 2 1+ ; < 1339026859 527951 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 4 2 2 * ; < 1339026922 103907 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 4 3 * . < 1339026922 655281 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1339026965 279709 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs number when you can define them on the fly? < 1339027013 526653 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+built in < 1339027280 540677 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339029296 176211 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339029750 652976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it terrible that I'm in Beijing and I want to eat at KFC? < 1339029755 465493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just SO popular. < 1339029760 126457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what all the fuss is about. < 1339030235 229757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just fried chicken, if it's anything like Japanese KFC. < 1339030361 199837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes gregor < 1339030379 37309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chin has awesome food < 1339030388 837286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kfc doesnt capture it < 1339030425 409863 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, A) All the Chinese food I've had thusfar has disappointed. < 1339030441 972672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) I have LOTS of time to have authentic food, I need SOME variety anyway. < 1339030444 71367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps you shouldnt be eating chinese food < 1339030448 402560 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yesterday I ate Thai for dinner) < 1339030463 849171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the best chinese food i hac was in shanghi, so you could just be in the wrong part of the country < 1339030489 885173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Chinese food is (I'm told) very heavily regional. < 1339030498 104133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just be that Beijing-area food sucks. < 1339030504 15827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1339030522 622796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look for a Shanghainese restaurant :) < 1339030600 873352 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339030689 548870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sichuan food is so good! < 1339030740 407560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a restaurant in NYC called Xi'an Famous Foods which has incredible noodles < 1339030756 142702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if this is representative of the food from that area or not < 1339031011 942214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339031060 694567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/nh6R <-- here, you choose where I should eat Lunch X-D < 1339031139 907004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betcha that "western" restaurant's weird... :P < 1339031273 899927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably to "western" food what "Chinese" restaurants are to "Chinese" food O_0 < 1339031341 739480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly. < 1339031347 630922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The toilet recommended a place called Americatown" < 1339031351 576767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Japanese 'western' food. < 1339031370 907753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But it could be fun for exactly that reason ;) < 1339031387 703942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339031539 213134 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339031543 875083 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339031978 621504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339033728 7188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339033731 518521 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339033868 528928 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339034512 814312 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339034676 112763 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339035206 398808 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339036872 532755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339037071 992904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-71.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339037233 706453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339037405 365339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-131.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339040972 273788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339040984 792034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339041559 377789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339041559 898704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339042302 75312 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339042309 877216 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045894 920725 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045895 357471 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339045895 516809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045908 282226 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339047400 633285 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1339048324 531263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339051626 614698 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053052 79235 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339053052 540464 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053438 847887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053656 88757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Bradbury died. < 1339053855 74667 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.17:56:15 ( elliott) Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1339053876 276420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bit over 16 hours late with almost exactly the same message. < 1339053885 389416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they'll BradBURY him. < 1339053899 702261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, possibly.) < 1339053912 659642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just normal bury me please" - bradburey < 1339053913 209660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be also bradcremation. < 1339053914 480071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I still don't know who he was. Maybe now's the time to check Wikipedia. < 1339053930 355746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those bookwriters. < 1339053960 514046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently yes. The guy who hated television. < 1339053963 799557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aged 91; can't perhaps quite call that life tragically cut short. < 1339053993 175025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's before the heat death of the universe, so at least *some* would call it cut short. < 1339054479 994822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and everything else new. < 1339054499 662888 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose that somewhat follows. < 1339054515 868148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television isn't generally considered very hate-inducing. Or at least it wasn't back then. < 1339054519 988457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His WP article actually quotes him saying "We've got too many internets." < 1339054589 349391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um what, television has always been the go-to thing to bitch about how our culture is totally going downhill from the days when the common man read Dochevsky. < 1339054590 244825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now." < 1339054612 228002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since television became a major part of culture. < 1339054632 414628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when we got to the point where information is forever, too. < 1339054633 906194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that it wasn't that major back then, but maybe I'm wrong. < 1339054700 47161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Strange concept, that, considering mere universal literacy is relatively young. < 1339054782 277775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it came out in 1953, so I think it was at least significant and on the rise. < 1339054802 365307 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it being Fahrenheit 451) < 1339054861 498387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe so. I'm at least quite sure that it was a very rare thing in Finland at the time, but the UK was somewhat ahead. < 1339054881 599002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339054924 787109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took off like crazy in the US. < 1339054957 817736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 1953's when NTSC color was introduced. < 1339054961 383121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh whoops, he was American. Well, even more, then. < 1339055004 714306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the Quatermass Experiment had 5 million viewers at its peak and it came out in '53, and that's got to be at least a tenth of the UK population at the time. < 1339055088 471478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055090 32198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I Love Lucy" had been running for 2 years by then... < 1339055113 134276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, Nielsen ratings were introduced in 1950. < 1339055202 385897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Television was introduced in Finland in 1957. Color television started in 1969. Prior to 1986, YLE monopolized the Finnish television." < 1339055209 32485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a bit slow, y'know. < 1339055219 176293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at that stuff. Evidently the first television transmission was in 1955. < 1339055219 336287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, this conversation has reminded me of the Foundation series. < 1339055225 8256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a good thing to remember. < 1339055230 913136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055241 921430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, has to first get translated to Japanese, and then put through the Finnish cypher. :P < 1339055244 808392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1339055247 644326 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339055293 61944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well the first parts are OK but once the Second Foundation comes into play it's just this slow, annoying decay into "AHA I am the true force for good in the universe!" < 1339055293 952353 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sources vary as to the exact year, but 1956-1958 for actual scheduled programs. < 1339055341 474677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TV-introduction-world-map.svg < 1339055355 707817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I seem to recall Asimov being confused as to why people like the Foundation series so much. < 1339055458 926079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: At least us scandinavians are mostly in the same group. (Iceland doesn't count.) < 1339055485 800112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Mule is a central character in Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation. Foundation's Edge reveals that he originally came from the planet Gaia, but was regarded as an aberration on a world where mental powers were being developed for benevolent ends." < 1339055496 359643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake Asimov did you really pull that one < 1339055507 742612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1339055582 435206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retconning the Mule's origins as being from the stupid psychic planet rather than being a freak of nature, which is a genuinely interesting proposition. < 1339055619 556735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the whole point of the Mule is that he's basically an outside context problem for the Foundation because they couldn't predict him, which is kind of cheapened by the stupid twist. < 1339055621 583716 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually *know* Foundation's Edge was written just to shut up annoying fans. < 1339055626 899780 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339055642 267119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it, honestly, was uninteresting. < 1339055645 244798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1339055677 775006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. I like Asimov when he's not writing on what he obviously doesn't much care for. < 1339055683 98148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Outside the "Saha" building there was a sign today advertising an event with the topic "Yhteistyöympäristöt globaaleissa tuoteprosesseissa". < 1339055735 83086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1339055866 361961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Approximate translation: "Cooperation environments in global product processes".) < 1339055978 42656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I have one of his books of essays and some of them are really good. < 1339056130 651235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some Asimov short story collections, and some of those are quite good too. (Some which mention Multivac are sort-of amusingly dated, though.) < 1339056179 913634 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057305 486899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057363 523389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339057376 637413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jello! < 1339057622 80437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Finnish is a good language. < 1339057629 964938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew it. :-( < 1339057658 547311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339057682 379233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057978 361768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks fancy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Douyfa7l8 < 1339058122 451152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a human-powered street view photography thing: http://googleblog.blogspot.fi/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect-map.html < 1339058154 778566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look how happy the guy is. (I wonder how much that thing weighs.)) < 1339059479 859652 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7B0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339059846 384878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062292 921537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062293 252845 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339062293 411978 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062461 858497 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339062625 603134 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can learn it online. really only hard thing is how we put awful lot of junk into a word. ("I sit"->"istun", "you sit"->"istut", "he/she sits"->"hän istuu", "box"->"laatikko", "to box"->"laatikkoon", "in box"->"laatikossa", "from box"->"laatikosta" and so on) < 1339062692 280834 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without his box"->"laatikottaan" < 1339062917 834864 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kahvinjuojallekin" - also for a coffee drinker. It's one of our standard examples when talking about the statistical-morphemes-based language model thing we have. < 1339062972 741555 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kevytmoottipolttoöljykanisteri" < 1339062978 76484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339062989 537875 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moottori < 1339063020 792978 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we do a lot of compound words like that, too, but the suffixes are I think more interesting. < 1339063046 46963 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :epäjärjelmällisydettymyydelläkään < 1339063050 39749 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1339063135 733688 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've most often heard that as "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkään", or some-such. Not that anyone would really go that far, ordinarily. < 1339063216 863011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is one word with suffixes < 1339063280 711364 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the Kielipankki corpus files have mode 600, I can't check what's the longest actually-used word in that. < 1339063280 911328 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339063298 793460 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files? < 1339063316 561531 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this collection of newspaper text. We use it for training language models. < 1339063331 146655 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok < 1339063362 924655 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some 145 million words of text there. < 1339063395 317472 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large are those files? < 1339063416 512713 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few hundred megabytes. Text compresses well, after all. < 1339063427 991361 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the audio that takes up space, really. < 1339063509 321590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339063539 172618 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339063627 860874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339063714 962856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Could you give me a copy of the next version of Prelude.Generalize so I know what'll be in it, please? < 1339063715 188908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339063761 902894 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish "SPEECON" audio corpus we've used takes up 71 gigabytes of disk, according to du. And it only has three of the four recording channels. < 1339063771 131355 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's uncompressed PCM. < 1339063963 596847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, four channels? < 1339063972 102704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of that? < 1339063976 459261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV and Channel 4 < 1339064009 564353 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV1, TV2, MTV3, Nelonen (four) < 1339064015 73636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I thought he meant audio channels, like stereo has channels < 1339064017 132362 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're recorded with four different microphones -- headset mic, lapel mic, and two more or less far-away microphones -- so that you get the same speech at different noise levels. < 1339064017 982040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1339064024 60576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not :P < 1339064035 808458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, me and nortti were both joking < 1339064039 316725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339064065 802113 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: there are not 32 days in any month < 1339064123 420696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would there be? < 1339064210 876028 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I fucked up my calendar calculation software and so it thinks that normaly months are either 32 or 31 days long and February is either 30 or 29 days < 1339064245 47999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, latest firefox update makes firefox empty tab page look like chrome, showing images of commonly visited pages < 1339064246 12115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtract 1 day from each month < 1339064252 115575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I like that... < 1339064287 233395 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can disable that < 1339064294 82809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, where? < 1339064301 103470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to look for that setting atm < 1339064325 788729 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: about:config . you can also switch to old tab behaviour from there < 1339064362 550872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what old tab behaviour? I use tab mix plus addon so I guess it overwrote any changes to that < 1339064372 89752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway, which about:config setting? < 1339064558 144739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also scrolling with pgup/pgdown (useful since this is a laptop, and I don't use the touchpad, I use the trackpoint) now seems to visibly scroll rather than just jump < 1339064559 689721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339064561 389720 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: New Firefox also default-enables SPDY. < 1339064575 660091 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I think any non-Google entities really go all SPDY. < 1339064586 346674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would be doubtful < 1339064604 148554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which httpds even supports spdy? < 1339064613 729137 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Apache module, but that's not a surprise. < 1339064619 508407 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably an Apache module for everything. < 1339064639 629755 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scrolling is the "smooth scrolling", and I did notice they mentioned default-enabling that too in the change notes. < 1339064651 956169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ngnix? < 1339064666 833688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, any idea how to turn off the smooth scrolling, it just takes pointless time < 1339064692 66665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1339064699 699672 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :general.smoothScroll is my guess. < 1339064703 218034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :general.smoothScroll < 1339064704 156752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339064715 353239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so much eye candy :( < 1339064769 208659 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to keep up with the competition, after all. < 1339064773 575415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an RFC for SPDY? I seem to remember reading that firefox wouldn't be implementing SPDY until there was an RFC for it < 1339064813 623093 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's anything else than the non-RFC drafts that say "this is not a standard yet" in bold at top. < 1339064817 119626 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least last I looked. < 1339064821 759146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I just checked chrome, it doesn't smooth scroll :P < 1339064854 580230 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, not only keep up, but surpass them. < 1339064859 481385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339064878 746517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I can't find any option for the new tab in about:config, nor did google turn up anything useful < 1339064985 586687 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/new-tab-page-show-hide-and-customize-top-sites?s=new+tab+page&r=1&e=es&as=s#w_how-do-i-turn-the-new-tab-page-off < 1339065008 739744 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser.newtab.url from 'about:newtab' to 'about:blank'. < 1339065019 39111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339065057 14581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1339065173 265935 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065186 437877 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup < 1339065209 699210 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken soup. < 1339065254 307603 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken it up huh < 1339065264 410206 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I suppose you're the same oklopol who's been commenting at http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html in 2009? < 1339065280 652585 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, according to elliott < 1339065290 170388 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember doing that, but it's obviously my code. < 1339065329 267761 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ask u < 1339065345 816788 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just independently came across it, and wondered if there could be two of you. < 1339065349 518325 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite a shock. < 1339065374 474454 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339065396 766364 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i've seen a few people called oklopol on the internets, but their existences have been brief < 1339065410 339573 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ate them and obtained their powers? < 1339065413 681125 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339065430 1063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does oklopol mean anything in Finnish? < 1339065447 260384 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :More importantly, do you expect you'd get a straight answer from him? < 1339065457 897248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't target it at him only < 1339065461 453194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could answer too < 1339065462 52303 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it means One Who De-fucking-vours His Enemies. < 1339065472 860023 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to spoil the effect. < 1339065473 526287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, to me it doesn't seem like an obvious nick at all < 1339065503 671975 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've told the channel where my nick comes from < 1339065535 811984 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monopoly => monopoli => olopoli => oklopol. < 1339065567 335247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339065593 21289 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :after we played olopoli at this scouting event some years ago, there was this whole thing about the bitter aftertaste of oklopol, and the deadly forests of oklopol. we rarely discuss the aftertaste now that i've taken it as a permanick. < 1339065617 222312 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where the k came from. < 1339065625 682446 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the aftertaste thing. < 1339065684 558489 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a perfectly straightforward story. < 1339065700 134373 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so too < 1339065754 627616 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm making a webpage, i hear that's the hip new thing < 1339065795 562539 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Olopoli on toiminnallinen ja ajatuksia herättävä peli nuoren elämästä. Peliä pelataan vartioittain. Jokainen vartio tuo tullessaan pelinappulan (esim. kenkä, puurokauha) ja henkilökohtaisena varausteena jokainen tarvitsee istuinalustan." < 1339065800 44850 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's a real thing. < 1339065801 671538 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339065802 379403 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you made it up. < 1339065806 83937 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1339065811 191993 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never lie < 1339065814 144801 :fizzie!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065823 799609 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's funny. < 1339065832 512779 :fizzie!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Changing host < 1339065832 672281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065833 341675 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the hilarioust game of ever. < 1339065871 709527 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it been played on multiple occasions? < 1339065878 131772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Olopoli on toiminnallinen ja ajatuksia herättävä peli nuoren elämästä. Peliä pelataan vartioittain. Jokainen vartio tuo tullessaan pelinappulan (esim. kenkä, puurokauha) ja henkilökohtaisena varausteena jokainen tarvitsee istuinalustan." <-- huh? < 1339065913 890956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate is usually terrible from Finnish so care to give me translation? < 1339065948 570898 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh... Olopoli is a functional and thought-provoking game about the life of a young person. And then some less important stuff. < 1339065959 838992 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what "toiminnallinen" means. Action-full? < 1339065962 133287 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olopoli is a hip and cool youngster game, you play it with a bunch of buddies, every bunch brings an object (a shoe or some other utensil) and also you need something for your ass. < 1339065964 288082 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a vague word. < 1339065971 672101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, so what about the monopoly bit? < 1339065978 682658 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the name comes from < 1339065982 909971 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339066001 62809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339066012 980971 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the board is a 1-dimensional torus like in monopoly. < 1339066016 820415 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it actually have anything to do with it game-mechanistically speaking, though? (Well, I guess the shoe fits. Isn't one of the playing pieces a shoe?) < 1339066020 318105 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1339066044 934523 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember how it was played, i just remember we learned things like always use a condom with a prostitute unless she promises you're her first. < 1339066054 728536 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smth like that < 1339066058 214146 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds educational. < 1339066060 735179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066079 550402 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a computer game that teaches you important things about puberty too, it's called "Murkku", I've occasionally been trying to re-find it. < 1339066102 559171 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Short for 'murrosikä', puberty.) < 1339066149 945038 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339066171 386314 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: did you find anything other than that description < 1339066172 293957 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339066189 498744 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go get my conference proceedings back from my ex soon < 1339066231 335195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some camp schedules with Olopoli hours marked. And a press release mentioning the introducing of Olopoli. < 1339066238 931396 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which camp? < 1339066254 687667 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we played it at tarus < 1339066285 634461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in tarus.fi, yes. < 1339066295 914032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5. Finnjamboree Padasjoki 28.7.-5.8.2004" < 1339066323 100942 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that long ago :o < 1339066328 736414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's an article about it in the proceedings of "Kouluterveyspäivät 2009" at University of Tampere. < 1339066332 74731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never have guessed oklopol used to be a boyscout. Heh. < 1339066352 275592 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still get invited in scouting things. < 1339066356 478461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339066372 755659 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because most of my friends still do it < 1339066378 64257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066404 766664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Olopoli's purpose is to challenge the participants to a conversation about e.g. relationships, personal wellbeing, sexuality and drugs." < 1339066430 856116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife's brothers did scout stuff. < 1339066489 285287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the first version was unveiled at Tarus 2004, apparently. < 1339066515 833433 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the parts where we did nothing in a cold, wet and dark forest. i hated the parts where we did stuff. < 1339066595 606299 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people tell me about the horrors of the army, it almost makes me want to go. then i realize it's not all freezing to death and being awake weeks at a time. you also have to be part of a social hierarchy. < 1339066604 895397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURKKU I can't find, though. There's a forum posting from 2007 asking "doesn't anyone remember MURKKU?", but that's about all. :/ < 1339066623 579585 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339066628 456381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was that from the scouts too? < 1339066631 532497 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that XKCD comic < 1339066635 838714 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339066648 475477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. But it was educational. We had a copy at the school's computer classroom. < 1339066651 732753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339066656 30264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which xkcd comic? < 1339066679 146965 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where the guy has some obscure problem and finds a forum where someone has asked about it. < 1339066682 655194 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one has answered. < 1339066684 818490 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great. < 1339066686 338461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339066687 570336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1339066694 734896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in the style of one of those "select from a preset list of commands" adventure games. < 1339066708 205594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "listen" command, which played a sequence of random bleeps and said "you hear voices". I'm not sure if it was useful for anything else. < 1339066740 355410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you could look at yourself, and get a random word describing your emotional state, plus some other attributes like "you smell bad" if you've taken the sausage for the dog. < 1339066740 592185 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you get your first zit. do you a) kill yourself b) kill your friends c) keep masturbating, but use a less clean mirror from now on" < 1339066750 908938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "The VCR you stole weighs your conscience." < 1339066752 764598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatnot. < 1339066775 525172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was something about a rusty bed-frame in a tree. < 1339066783 74304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be mixing these things up a bit. < 1339066786 419311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066788 693733 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me but this game sounds awesome < 1339066830 155314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very long. I don't remember what happens when you win. < 1339066847 838803 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay you're an adult now. you can never play MURKKU again." < 1339066851 355741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were some hobos and a junk heap also involved. < 1339066862 175798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in conjunction with the bed. < 1339067078 285132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was made by soft, I think. Where 'something' was a derivation from the "lead programmer"'s first name. < 1339067159 767157 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of did sound like a computer game, but i wanted to keep the mystery < 1339067232 255411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so displeased about not being able to find this thing in the Internet. Everything's supposed to be there. < 1339067449 466497 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is overrated, most things i need daily are more likely found in the small library of the math dep than on the internet < 1339067478 419425 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the one that tabs open at the end of tab bar. also it seems you can turn disable that new emty tab page by clicking some cube icon at upper right < 1339067498 994918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "disable", just hide. < 1339067504 682855 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's weird what they say about porn on the internet, it's really a very tiny percentage that gets there, you have to order most things directly from the germans. < 1339067555 130045 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have to go get my proceedings WHICH YOU CANNOT READ FREELY ON THE INTERNET :( < 1339067592 285387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Academic publishing: it's what's for dinner. < 1339068835 922395 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339068836 332397 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339068836 491646 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339068887 849399 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339069340 775742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sourceforge "user review" for SPIM, the MIPS(32) simulator: "One of the best FTP clients I've tried for GNU/Linux and Windows" < 1339069348 135706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh. Okay. < 1339069464 876437 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339069509 225868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's recently (Jan 2011 is recent, right?) gotten a new Qt UI. < 1339069546 234110 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what toolkit did the old UI use? < 1339069632 345572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xaw, I think. < 1339069646 194374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was all retro like that. < 1339069663 695153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I ever used the X version, wasn't much point. < 1339069700 610979 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339069726 837886 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there other than X version of it? is the old Xaw toolkit version still available? < 1339069747 478977 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339069748 840263 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would run on linux I mean) < 1339069757 755477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a non-graphical version. < 1339069769 328743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have had some sort of a curses-like UI, I don't exactly remember. < 1339069783 757410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.agdunn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/xspim1.png -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spimsimulator/screenshots/313041 it is a bit of a modernization. < 1339069833 670697 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the old was much better < 1339069887 716840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's arguable. I've never been much of a fan with the Xaw scrollbars. < 1339069981 937792 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them. Xaw is also light and that is a good thing. on X I se xterm as my terminal emulator and xedit as my text editor < 1339070026 270593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, does xedit even have syntax highlighting? < 1339070054 897145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're asking this from a person who uses busybox vi. :p < 1339070058 424837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339070112 118156 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't normaly use busybox vi. I like unix v6 ed bit more < 1339070122 814578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are joking, right? < 1339070127 4773 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1339070128 546217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the standard text editor, no joking about it. < 1339070134 92520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you should use TECO < 1339070165 391014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can it be run on modern linux < 1339070173 241311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1339070187 145832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's at least some ports. < 1339070194 271543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unlikely indeed < 1339070207 312222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway why use modern linux? You should use something older < 1339070214 934241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a PDP-11 < 1339070249 544168 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have apout so if it has been ported to unix v7 or older on pdp-11 I can run it < 1339070259 102759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apout? < 1339070287 805832 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ability and will yes, time no; I'm willing to delegate < 1339070287 965438 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary translator/syscall emulator for old unix pdp-11 software < 1339070292 599905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339070312 197724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of terminals (earlier), the "search for books" public terminals at Helsinki libraries used to be VT-420s. You could twiddle them to the setup mode if you wanted, and get some higher-resolution things going. (And/or break the communications link if you messed with the settings too much.) < 1339070330 117004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've replaced those with plain old x86 PCs a decade or so ago, though. < 1339070337 134253 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use it to run my unix v6 binaries (currently ed and dc) < 1339070350 240963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339070415 274450 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason zzo38's deadfish implementation didn't really run very nicely under my dc... < 1339070431 21730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should mention it to him directly? < 1339070469 377563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to remember you could quit out from the book-search application, but all that got you was a login screen of some Unix, so it wasn't too exciting. Plus then no-one could again use the terminal. < 1339070501 940575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339070502 595039 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think he thinks maintaining support for unix v6 dc is important < 1339070513 768182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be too sure with zzo < 1339070556 186633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would work with unix v7 dc but I am not building another ancient unix from scracth < 1339070650 614399 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339070975 515479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339071143 66833 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. teco is 700kB in size < 1339071173 586126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such bloat. < 1339071217 136463 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my ed 6.2kB < 1339071332 505508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339071346 28703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do you reset zoom level in chrome? < 1339071377 958230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-0 sounds familiar. < 1339071388 209402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339071389 838203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1339071418 354951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "wrench menu" zoom tool doesn't seem to have a thing for it. < 1339071437 933190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay these results are strange... I tried a font test in the browser (on windows), turns out that while Segoe UI at 8 pt is larger than Tahoma at the same size, the reverse is true at 9 pt < 1339071440 178321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just odd < 1339071469 125137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to find a suitable font to replace Segoe UI with on windows
< 1339071485 135098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo UI. < 1339071490 758868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks terrible with cleartype off, and with cleartype on everything else looks horrible < 1339071494 557870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no :P < 1339071510 654347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a font with the same metric though < 1339071573 629089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Sans Serif isn't even close either < 1339071696 76137 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. can someone help me with TECO? < 1339071774 205909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm MS Sans Serif and Arial have almost the same metric, in fact they look almost identical as well. Very tiny difference there. < 1339071851 467494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Google-commissioned "Open Sans" is I think somewhat similar to Segoe. (Not terribly much so, but somewhat.) < 1339071894 996361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about character set coverage and such. < 1339072142 288621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would google want to make a font? < 1339072188 441170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it looks slightly blurry to me. < 1339072195 551477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like it is forcing cleartype < 1339072196 690388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1339072211 758577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, not good < 1339072285 904112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on linux I use full hinting and greyscale antialias. I'm okay with no antialias if the font is good for that (like arial, tahoma and MS Sans Serif) < 1339072305 420480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :verdana is perfectly readable without antialias too btw < 1339072545 848399 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339072565 174610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fuck boss fights, and fuck Psychonauts for having boss fights. < 1339072574 606483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which one was a problem? < 1339072588 670704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nearly finished this area? WELL NOW YOU GET TO PLAY THE SAME FUCKING SECTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" < 1339072598 419440 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Phantom. < 1339072611 300717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh that, it was fairly easy. Just use the lights < 1339072623 27622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you know, Google does have some user interfaces. I've heard they've got sites in the web, and this mobile thing called Nordraid or something. < 1339072628 531510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get that you twat. < 1339072631 525524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't die once during that. Also just buy some of those caramel things that restore your HP if you run out < 1339072637 614783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps a lot < 1339072647 840156 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's fucking great to know in THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT. < 1339072648 498155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can carry a max of 3, but that helps a lot < 1339072660 203926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS GAME FOR TELLING ME THAT I COULD GET THAT < 1339072666 188534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh it is in the shop? < 1339072672 383839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you surely must have noticed that < 1339072688 670927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, har har < 1339072708 430055 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah Vorpal you realise that beyond mentioning the shop about once the game gives you no indication as to what anything does, and of course all the actual items have cutesy little descriptions which don't actually tell you what they /do/. < 1339072750 316331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you can press some button to show a desc < 1339072763 421464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot which one, it does say on the side < 1339072766 981412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fairly detailed < 1339072787 907733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the voice acting for the item needs to complete first) < 1339072809 908342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Psychonauts' interface is like this Platonically perfect terrible one. < 1339072812 382512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it could be more obvious, but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be < 1339072847 75111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean right at the start you have to spend like 10 seconds watching all the animations they put between you and loading a save. < 1339072847 413307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree, the interface could be way better, for example: the main menu interface, while cute, is rather annoying < 1339072856 235302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339072871 408081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that bed system if you don't select "continue" < 1339072873 358019 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that the controls are painfully obviously a terrible console port. < 1339072889 555481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339072909 973282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely like more ability keys than the three current < 1339072926 359028 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. TECO is awesome < 1339072965 433810 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just that; things like the inventory paging system which basically ground the game to a halt while I looked for help. < 1339072995 607504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? It is kind of slow and cumbersome, but why did you look for help? < 1339073035 858372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that annoy me is that the 2 and z in the key bindings look like they are the same char < 1339073045 660781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was like "how can that be bound to the same key" for a while < 1339073058 800743 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 opens your inventory. 2 opens your abilities. Pressing 2 while looking at your inventory opens abilities... unless you have multiple pages of inventory, in which case it flips to the second page. < 1339073079 655115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, slow and cumbersome, but why look for help? < 1339073085 574573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you miss the brief tooltip saying it's 2 to change pages or confuse it for a z? < 1339073101 309686 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun trying to find out how it works, because the game's certainly not going to tell you. < 1339073117 75819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the inventory screen, not in the keybindings, nowhere. < 1339073131 574170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I /did/ confuse it for a z, until I rebound it to g for a bit, then I went like "hmm, maybe it was actually 2?" < 1339073148 41671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changed it back < 1339073168 560902 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339073176 995188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point is that the key is really unintuitive, especially on a keyboard, and the game makes no effort to compensate that. < 1339073187 574957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 or z? < 1339073191 704906 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1339073222 168909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, the keys are laid out for using with one hand, and the other hand on the mouse, 1 and 2 are easy to reach when using wasd to move around < 1339073231 236046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339073263 887862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm saying that /there is no reason to think that will be the key to change page/. < 1339073270 689919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339073273 239435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a particularly /bad/ key to do it. < 1339073280 632813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, I did notice when the game told me the first time < 1339073306 135115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what I did miss was when it told me to use F to turn around when swinging. Had to google that < 1339073311 828558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should apparently arrange some time to play that game, I'm all "out" all the time nowadays. < 1339073316 751960 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, missed that too. < 1339073324 17492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then I died, and restarted so it told me a second time < 1339073349 782135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should probably play it on that gamepad you mentioned; you may have gathered that the devs spent absolutely no effort whatsoever on porting the controls. < 1339073372 866998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gathered it's a somewhat consoly game, yes. < 1339073397 583464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not really /that/ bad. It is not like the game would have told you about turning around while swinging any better on a pad < 1339073422 840358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but things like the inventory system are clearly geared to a gamepad. < 1339073426 425018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339073437 901125 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the targeting system is maybe less abysmal on a gamepad? I don't know. < 1339073443 456999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not sure < 1339073454 176971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a game pad, so I don't really have the required experience for it < 1339073466 652412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the lock on is somewhat annoying. < 1339073478 295754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also mouse acceleration vertically is off IMO. < 1339073499 186117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up completely on looking up or down. < 1339073520 344956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I selected inverted up/down, except in first person view it is the opposite of third person view now < 1339073521 82588 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game clearly doesn't want me to do it, why else would they make it so hard? < 1339073541 227957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have "gamepad reflexes" down very well, I've done so little with it. It's got those sticks, I think they're kinda important nowadays. < 1339073541 935733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is inverted if you didn't change it from the default though < 1339073629 185842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that new Wii U thing with the touch screen is going to affect console ports, are we going to get better mapping of abilities perhaps? < 1339073639 676171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339073644 352540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1339073650 254997 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal when have you ever heard of a console port of a Wii game < 1339073681 700496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien Syndrome had a PSP port < 1339073689 416030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing with a touchscreen in the back? < 1339073690 151478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well no, but other vendors are going to copy their idea if it is successful. Like the motion control thingy. The Playstation Move, Kinect and so on < 1339073709 807839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no that is the PS Vita iirc < 1339073712 52130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :handheld < 1339073714 260658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/console port/PC port/ < 1339073724 65489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the Vita. < 1339073740 565666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err, right < 1339073760 437430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I find it hard to believe people are going to be looking at the Wii U touchscreen much; it sounds rather tiresome to keep flipping focus between the in-hand mini-screen and the few-metres-away TV. < 1339073765 542474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't World of Goo orignally for the Wii? < 1339073771 497819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, played Bastion yet? That is a good console port. < 1339073780 488774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1339073785 798821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, surely it must have been for mobile? < 1339073800 736249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so obvious that it should be a touchscreen or mouse < 1339073803 316022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "World of Goo was first released both for Windows and WiiWare in North America on October 13, 2008." < 1339073806 83399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows and WiiWare originally < 1339073807 768672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even see a console controller working < 1339073809 98868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339073809 924194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1339073812 800342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was Wii early on < 1339073833 767457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WiiWare, is that like xbox live? < 1339073840 962106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you... do know that the Wii remote works as a pointer, right? < 1339073850 983940 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's Nintendo's software distribution service. < 1339073852 282279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes < 1339073858 948739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so yes then < 1339073860 199466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBox live arcade or somehting < 1339073861 315738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a stylus except with a big gap. :p < 1339073863 946356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339073872 194025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm, I was under the impression that the accuracy wasn't all that good < 1339073879 634859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used a Wii though myself < 1339073892 329883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not awful < 1339073896 354697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decent, although if you put it against a window it's a bitch to use. < 1339073902 526476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it need recentering all the time iirc? < 1339073917 503813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1339073923 371004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched a bit of an LP of skyward sword, and the guy kept recentering a lot < 1339073957 2389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went mad trying to play Twilight Princess in Ireland because the room was laid out so the TV was right in front of a sweeping vista of some hills and sheep and a few reflective surfaces, and the weather decided to clear up just for me. < 1339073968 402535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339074076 367161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Kinect-Goo would let you get your hands dirty, I suppose. < 1339074086 696974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it actually exist? < 1339074093 586206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue. < 1339074105 998754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway kinect has horrible accuracy from what I heard < 1339074123 167206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not officially, but there's a video of people doing it. < 1339074128 906945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress adventure mode on the Kinect would be surprisingly elegant. < 1339074132 176334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The position of your hand is mapped to the cursor, and then we recognize you opening and closing your hand to grab and release the goo." < 1339074141 728514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just does exactly what you do in the game world. < 1339074158 496809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using the PC version and the Kinect SDK, of course.) < 1339074166 353776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and that is? < 1339074181 506638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or isn't there a punchline here?) < 1339074182 629303 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacking people's third fingers, right hand off. < 1339074197 97593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1339074216 226703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video seems somewhat flailing-aroundy, but maybe not quite as much I expected. It's at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0j1YsDmAXA < 1339074252 615756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a precision controller by any means. < 1339074306 798532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339074319 958829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the PS Move has pretty good accuracy though < 1339074336 402259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really seen it used much < 1339074453 204366 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did not realise World of Goo had such an overwrought soundtrack. < 1339074462 636762 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" OK, fuck boss fights, and fuck Psychonauts for having boss fights." yeah why do they have to make them so excruciatingly easy < 1339074482 192460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339074486 737415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did not realize World of Goo had a soundtrack at all. < 1339074506 526041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Only humans count in game discussions, sorry. < 1339074535 262089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all the boss fights (so far, haven't quite finished the game yet) are quite easy once you figure out what the trick is < 1339074558 896291 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difficulty isn't my biggest gripe, it's repetition. < 1339074584 169293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one against Dogan's brain in the brain tumbler experiment was probably the trickiest one so far < 1339074630 177534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "do it again, stupid" gameplay, even once you've learnt the trick. < 1339074663 828328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you refer to that the bosses doesn't vary their attacks very much or what? < 1339074686 292526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm referring to how if you die in a boss fight you're reset to the start and you can't save. < 1339074723 499177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, buy that candy to avoid that < 1339074726 520579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating the same things over and over again isn't 'challenging', it's annoying. < 1339074742 35888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will refill your health when you run out, and you can carry three of them < 1339074747 184077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more than enough usually < 1339074795 22904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it has some really creative level design though. Especially with the mad people in the asylum. < 1339074805 288717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, the level design is amazing. < 1339074822 12018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you entered the mind of Fred Bonaparte yet? < 1339074827 977974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went wow at that < 1339074829 401086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It normally makes up for all the flaws, but when the game sticks a giant, annoying wall in the way of seeing more level design? < 1339074850 17140 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I haven't completed the Phantom fight. < 1339074865 783148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right, I think you can do those minds in any order though < 1339074896 720286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this terrible suspicion that if I leave Gloria's mind I'll have to redo everything. < 1339074950 297253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, you could make a save and try it though < 1339074957 5097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are those teleport creatures < 1339075046 19666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway that boss fight is not all that difficult. And you could use the piece of bacon to "regroup at HQ", go out and buy some candy and go back in by talking to Ford Cruller. Should get you back near it at least. < 1339075059 687868 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you do realize you have beat me in games on multiple occasions < 1339075068 816829 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least slightly) < 1339075080 415414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I recall no such thing. < 1339075096 744714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what happens to figments when using that option though, since there is a visual effect when using it that looks like figments flying away from you < 1339075102 142045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried it inside a mind in fact < 1339075108 677538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even gave up that Dot Action 2 thing at some point. < 1339075166 203647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway if you start the fight with full health it is easy. Which level are you at? I was probably around 50 or so at that point I think < 1339075312 141389 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was that game where you were a stick figure, and then there was that game where you were a robot which you programmed around town. < 1339075349 926937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I vaguely recall the second one, it was that thing with the tiles. But I don't remember what happened. And I don't remember a stick figure. < 1339075381 231738 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess we were roughly equally good at and Deewiant was incredibly slow but did some of the really hard puzzles on the first attempt, so comparison was hard. and everyone not finnish of course sucked ass. < 1339075402 404113 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick figure was that game with a hundred levels where you could just move left and right and jump < 1339075410 548117 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other was robozzle or something < 1339075412 545620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Dot Action 2, exactly. < 1339075422 465304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you got further in it than I. < 1339075432 339448 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we both beat it? < 1339075436 266193 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you stopped near the end < 1339075446 176826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the labyrinth thing at level ninety-something, I gave up at that, or soon after. < 1339075459 771411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : stick figure was that game with a hundred levels where you could just move left and right and jump <-- platformer? < 1339075469 777512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dot action 2. Certainly you remember it. < 1339075477 928122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I played it < 1339075479 289894 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i think i did that on the second attempt, might have quit if i had been less lucky < 1339075601 576813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe so. You apparently asked about it in 2009, and ehird explained what it's like. < 1339075616 937231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a web flash thing. < 1339075663 8282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did dig out the all-levels codes from the swf file, though. < 1339075681 856158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got eight extra levels after the first 100 normal ones. < 1339075706 372752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact it has 108 levels? < 1339075733 341970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the final 8 don't really count, because you get access to all of them after beating level 100. < 1339075946 494350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh so you can access the other 100 in any order you want? < 1339075982 938992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339075992 540533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access the 8 in any order, after beating level 100. < 1339076013 779486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access level 100 after beating level 99, you can access level 99 after beating level 98, and so on. < 1339076043 180146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the last 8 aren't part of the ordinary progression. (Also, they're in a completely different level list.) < 1339076059 345186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 14:40:39] < fizzie> I did a half-hearted attempt at 93, but missed one blue dot in the lava room. < 1339076063 339232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got at least that far. < 1339076165 420778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been at that point that oko blazed past me and I gaved up. < 1339076524 780349 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339076549 345582 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 NICK :Guest19280 < 1339076565 905319 :Guest19280!~elliott@95.149.230.141 NICK :elliott < 1339076567 758835 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 QUIT :Changing host < 1339076567 918743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339076650 548605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339076650 761856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339076711 737334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:25: CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1339076719 909563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it wasn't visible in Europe anyway. < 1339076748 314354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that wall is oerjan's floor < 1339076765 110680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1339076854 442881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:25:14: Meanwhile, I still don't know who he was. Maybe now's the time to check Wikipedia. < 1339076859 240192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it was; quite a lot of people watched it in Finland. < 1339076860 772563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Fahrenheit 451. < 1339076874 345580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, ISTR it wasn't visible in the UK, and what's the difference? < 1339076891 496738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you may have been thinking of the last one < 1339076899 492075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Visible in its entirety from Hawaii, Alaska, Australia, New Zealand, the Pacific and Eastern Asia, with the beginning of the transit visible from North America and the end visible from Europe" < 1339076900 40097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: This one was visible??? < 1339076900 425037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or being confused by cloud cover < 1339076906 905421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at all the websites and all! < 1339076910 334531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did it look like. < 1339076916 953238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clouds < 1339076921 390980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1339076936 370844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't watch it, but in Helsinki there was a break in the cloud cover for approximately a minute. < 1339076950 660582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked like a tiny dot in front of a glowy thing (Sun). < 1339076953 559822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:24: Well the Quatermass Experiment had 5 million viewers at its peak and it came out in '53, and that's got to be at least a tenth of the UK population at the time. < 1339076962 989511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Should I watch that BTW I've always been tempted by the cool name. < 1339076973 136603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you stare at the sun??? < 1339076976 931049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd stare at the sun. :( < 1339076985 258740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stare at the sun quite a lot. Possibly not the best thing I do. < 1339076987 236027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I didn't have any protective eqibblement. < 1339076994 859046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant directly. < 1339077004 145072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/transit/V_2012/world_2012.png -- the northern tip of Finland I think saw the thing in its entirety, that's what the white part I think means. < 1339077018 320859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in "the south" it was just partially visible. < 1339077072 21543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it looked like this: http://hs10.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305572999091?ts=1053 < 1339077082 239478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting! < 1339077084 540905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like the other spots. < 1339077089 957111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we sure Venus really exists? < 1339077097 890963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit darker, I think. < 1339077112 324464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. A little. < 1339077136 706773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:01:20: Aw, the Kielipankki corpus files have mode 600, I can't check what's the longest actually-used word in that. < 1339077141 404672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that to prevent COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT? < 1339077171 984673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's either that, or just that no-one else than Vesa has actually bothered to touch the original files, so no-one has noticed he hasn't made them group-readable. < 1339077183 461484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there'll be another Venus transit in 2117, it's not like it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. < 1339077201 902937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Who gave Vesa root? Who is even Vesa anyway??? < 1339077208 584537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't anticipate living that long. :( < 1339077224 991265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Vesa has root, but the files are owned by him since he presumably put them there. < 1339077245 522042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :umask strikes back. < 1339077248 69902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was assuming 600 with owner root. < 1339077250 598895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Some Reason. < 1339077259 273597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Some Values Of Reason. < 1339077273 794376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Vesa even works here any more. < 1339077332 752928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, they probably fired em. After all, there are better graphics modes these days. < 1339077334 542457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he's that guy who works at Rosetta Stone somewhere in the US nowadays. < 1339077378 62590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can't say the stone is particularly high resolution. < 1339077380 781508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rosetta Stone does language-learning software that's somewhat notable.) < 1339077412 777023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1339077425 235304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered "pirating" it once, but it looked ineffective. < 1339077447 252015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's won awards and all. It has Dynamic Immersion technology. < 1339077458 27491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what that means.) < 1339077466 573563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It immerses. < 1339077467 839143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamically. < 1339077522 872251 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it say whether i finished the game? < 1339077544 692078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you did. At least you were in level 98 or so at that point. < 1339077606 913134 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay seems hard to believe i'd have stopped then. < 1339077630 395735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 15:34:24] < oklopol> bleh i'll do 98 later tonight. < 1339077637 168463 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as i have this feeling that the last levels were surprisingly easy < 1339077643 699981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it was about cyphers for God to solve. < 1339077649 144872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1339077650 596132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game? < 1339077657 685370 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot < 1339077659 320154 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :action < 1339077659 676106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 22:49:41] < oklopol> can someone solve 99 for me? < 1339077659 866455 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1339077662 511361 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339077663 304945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're playing Dot Action 2 again??? < 1339077664 381559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you are. < 1339077669 441444 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1339077674 869331 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to check whether i solved it < 1339077677 948216 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or solve it just in case < 1339077682 459941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What started this. < 1339077682 658453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 99 was a maze too. < 1339077695 261012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I blamed oklopol for being too good in games. < 1339077715 600883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't Dot Action 2 the bestest? < 1339077720 116818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should play it too. < 1339077842 380523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played like seven levels before I remembered I'm at work. < 1339077887 839391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:07: Vorpal: you can disable that < 1339077888 43265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:14: nortti, where? < 1339077888 203889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:21: trying to look for that setting atm < 1339077889 465720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:45: Vorpal: about:config . you can also switch to old tab behaviour from there < 1339077893 441843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can just press an X on the screen or something. < 1339077901 944531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do it in about:config if you want to waste a bunch of time, I guess. < 1339077902 478968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's "hide" and not "disable"! < 1339077934 681665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are concerned about your privacy, you can turn this feature off completely: In the Location bar, type about:config ..." -- support.mozilla.org. < 1339077947 601322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they say it like that, certainly there's some valid privacy concerns involved. < 1339077969 450561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what they could be.) < 1339078010 949265 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tracs what sites you visit the most? < 1339078036 580496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it tracks history no matter what you set "browser.newtab.url" to. < 1339078051 982026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the ATTAKCER couldn't just type in "about:newtab" to see the page. < 1339078059 87971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean my browser KNOWS WHERE I GO ON THE INTERNET???? < 1339078065 977511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339078071 227803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi. < 1339078071 939688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. < 1339078074 960472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO. < 1339078075 916456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fix it. < 1339078079 770265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a network problem. A moment. < 1339078132 95935 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339078138 271829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339078138 783040 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2N3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O3O4O5O6O < 1339078141 675574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel whole. < 1339078183 382484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you're sitting next to an ENEMY it's faster for him to new-tab + click-the-unhide to see your PORN SITES than it would be for him to new-tab and type-"about:newtab". < 1339078190 709255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:34:24: oklopol: I suppose you're the same oklopol who's been commenting at http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html in 2009? < 1339078191 433718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339078196 796928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's impomatic's blog, by the way. < 1339078206 543491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:09 I suppose if you're sitting next to an ENEMY it's faster for him to new-tab + click-the-unhide to see your PORN SITES than it would be for him to new-tab and type-"about:newtab". < 1339078207 500677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I did not realizibble. < 1339078214 138932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use IE's "InPrivate" browsing mode! < 1339078229 359446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's designed for gifts but — and don't tell anyone this — it ALSO WORKS FOR PORNOGRAPHY. < 1339078234 960661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I hear. < 1339078292 646167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So is fizziew like fizzie but it doesn't start a console window? < 1339078310 750102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1339078316 304203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it's 'w' for 'work'.) < 1339078326 634620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know. Work is all about the GUIs. < 1339078338 259973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're a speech recognition researcher, you never do anything valuable like program in a terminal and so on. < 1339078374 664657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the whole "Do-Not-Track by default thing" has died. < 1339078380 481001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE and so on.) < 1339078406 129265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemingly it violates the specification. Sort of. < 1339078441 630825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember "They" had some demands about how Do-Not-Track must user-interfacistically and defaultically behave before they'd agree to actually (pretend to) obey it. < 1339078461 938268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(1) Today we reaffirmed the group consensus that a user agent MUST NOT set a default of DNT:1 or DNT:0, unless the act of selecting that user agent is itself a choice that expresses the user’s preference for privacy. In all cases, a DNT signal MUST be an expression of a user’s preference. []…]" < 1339078473 119742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1339078474 424633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could always just have it be an on-by-default thing in the installer or something. < 1339078482 712532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you "choose" to agree with EULAs. < 1339078494 817272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also s/[]…]/[…]/. [sic] on that.) < 1339078506 57650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Do-Not-Track thing is a bit silly. It's like the evil bit. < 1339078507 21992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be also on by default if your browser has a privacy theme, because then "that user agent is itself a choice". < 1339078523 734213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did people decide it was a good idea, exactly? < 1339078550 393760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a "step toward putting you in control", according to Mozilla. < 1339078573 146501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't you just love ad companies?) < 1339078706 100454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFF's all about Do Not Truck, I've seem mentions in their blag often. < 1339078751 451754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you set the Do Not Truck header to "1", Google Image search will not return images of trucks, even if they would otherwise match your query. (Not true.) < 1339078886 790668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42:20: Sourceforge "user review" for SPIM, the MIPS(32) simulator: "One of the best FTP clients I've tried for GNU/Linux and Windows" < 1339078886 986370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42:28: I, uh. Okay. < 1339078887 151978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339078930 177332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:43: http://blog.agdunn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/xspim1.png -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spimsimulator/screenshots/313041 it is a bit of a modernization. < 1339078930 362896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:33: imo the old was much better < 1339078930 522494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking. < 1339078945 538742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet HackEgo still uses bash. < 1339079097 127015 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps < 1339079105 970914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PID TTY TIME CMD \ 272 ? 00:00:00 init \ 274 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 276 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 277 ? 00:00:00 cat < 1339079110 256571 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps | grep bash < 1339079113 537311 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 ? 00:00:00 bash < 1339079122 200889 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to < 1339079144 397405 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what shell should HackEgo use then? < 1339079167 75764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You said ash, I think. < 1339079179 936483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1339079199 533658 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or sash bwahahaha < 1339079242 545041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:29:02: why would google want to make a font? < 1339079247 845853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromebooks. < 1339079253 873859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More generally, the Chromium OS thing.) < 1339079487 484483 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339079507 519062 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't know what it is like to use sash download http://fpaste.dy.fi/oB7/dl That is the better version) < 1339079546 253862 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is staticaly linked sash 3.7 with patches I use in my own minidistro < 1339079636 829702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:57:20: Vorpal, you... do know that the Wii remote works as a pointer, right? < 1339079640 620909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is kind of inconvenient.) < 1339079708 922827 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339079709 349897 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339079709 509669 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339079770 670718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:11:26: No, I'm referring to how if you die in a boss fight you're reset to the start and you can't save. < 1339079777 1666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mumble mumble permadeath. < 1339079803 100190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The FTP client review is, incidentally, only six hours old (was three when I pasted), and written by a "Titus Higginbotham". < 1339079865 229772 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did you say "I bet HackEgo still uses bash." to Gregor? < 1339079873 938898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No reason. < 1339079903 496400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:28:01: It's got eight extra levels after the first 100 normal ones. < 1339079906 754721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're all impossible. < 1339079908 201543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for me. < 1339079932 691312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of them was not too bad. But mostly they were horrible. < 1339079938 771602 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339079955 68854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have completed one, I think. < 1339079957 640670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also rather fanciful. There was a picture of a cat or something. < 1339079967 792613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Whoa, a *new* spelevator? < 1339080010 822274 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339080044 502469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:56:53: asiekierka_: Did you add the XKCD variation of Deadfish? If so, why? < 1339080050 101181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it was not in the original? < 1339080075 229932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&diff=10505&oldid=9188 what, he ruined it < 1339080141 518780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, asiekierka did add it. < 1339080150 547022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it should have its own article, then < 1339080209 980527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:43:46: Gregor, that is getting a Like < 1339080212 862669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I thought you "deleted". < 1339080221 84525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have two accounts < 1339080225 843008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb... < 1339080226 705063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is now "deleted" < 1339080243 542097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the second when the first one had too many friends to load the chat bar < 1339080264 912310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Very cool serendipitous interaction. You should have asked to send the pic to you." < 1339080279 58212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is this do you think you are Fabio now?" < 1339080284 300832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook! I love Facebook. < 1339080290 985527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will listen to that Thank You Facebook song later. < 1339080294 781229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To show how much I love Facebook. < 1339080405 548522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:08: the main clojure guy really Gets It in terms of the relationship between functional and imperative programming < 1339080424 555462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Gets It to the point where its STM implementation just errors out noisily at runtime if you happen to try and do anything "unsafe" in a transaction? < 1339080548 935848 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7B0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339080572 578137 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. my minidistro compiles userspace in 1m 45s on my machine < 1339080732 531767 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339080893 391455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:57: David Rees and Blackwing Pencils: Artisanal Pencil Sharpening http://youtu.be/spMaP-_Cq_8 < 1339080895 17342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.artisanalpencilsharpening.com/ < 1339081349 400159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:26:19: You don't get exp when knocked-out, so Crono spends quite a lot of time unconscious. < 1339081350 305740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339081507 982265 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-82.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339081669 337473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081671 672041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081673 294743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081675 289554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081677 90368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081687 140794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what makes you think I've bought it < 1339081693 97474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why wouldn't you have? < 1339081695 460799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the bestest one. < 1339081709 552416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just spent a lot of money; have little left; already have Amnesia < 1339081735 188205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion! Psychonauts! < 1339081738 76539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone loves those games. < 1339081749 820811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:38: Hey, it's that IPv6 launch day today. (Well, yesterday already, as seen from here.) < 1339081752 738846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esolangs.org is TAKING PART. < 1339081761 61685 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP is not. < 1339081762 301009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Humble Bundle accept cash? < 1339081767 170886 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - not at al! < 1339081772 155132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339081813 287212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at al < 1339081819 94165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :notat al < 1339081823 522286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No tat, Al. < 1339081910 8034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:50: $ host 193.0.14.129 < 1339081910 206937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:50: 129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer k.root-servers.net. < 1339081910 207196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:51: ERROR:Word not found < 1339081913 621843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: This prefix seems suboptimal. < 1339081963 343145 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you suggest then? < 1339081979 343654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. There aren't many left. < 1339081985 24552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oonbotti: " would work. :p < 1339082001 794485 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is \ used for anything? < 1339082053 346002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339082058 221859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... myndzi? < 1339082059 665502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo < 1339082062 377884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1339082062 741960 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1339082064 6450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. < 1339082066 333644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot uses ), when it is alive < 1339082075 908755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've reserved ) for this channel) < 1339082089 254718 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it meant "\ " without the quotation marks < 1339082110 541787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that could work, yes. Ooh, ooh, how about the Euro symbol? :p < 1339082132 917816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or £ < 1339082162 557602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have it at AltGr-3) < 1339082167 565745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not British! < 1339082272 418468 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what avout ¤ < 1339082294 396969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not... uh... in international waters? < 1339082404 652876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :½ would also be pretty nice < 1339082412 786775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ < 1339082413 686643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∂ < 1339082414 418976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :† < 1339082417 665744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many good prefices. < 1339082421 278303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• < 1339082422 2361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¶ < 1339082422 903737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ < 1339082423 835923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1339082425 253847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ < 1339082426 46745 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :§" < 1339082427 241070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :˚ < 1339082429 231001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :« < 1339082431 219564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ç® < 1339082433 227603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∑∑∑∑ < 1339082435 224941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1339082437 207087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥ < 1339082449 351862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that ~ one is ASCII. TOO ASCII. < 1339082464 229981 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ < 1339082480 255999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what shachaf says. < 1339082484 961978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1339082488 610574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly Unicode. < 1339082564 212046 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ < 1339082579 228731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¢ < 1339082579 949317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞ < 1339082580 678297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1339082584 927968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :›Â�Ò„‰�� < 1339082586 278519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :�˜�Ø„‰˜�Ø < 1339082680 949714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am using kaspersky internet security 2012 full version. It is the king of antiviruses." < 1339082690 658873 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339083028 657371 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339083032 670596 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339083071 373663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add an #esoteric command. < 1339083072 459040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1339083342 62242 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339083356 900831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ foo < 1339083359 265098 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ foo < 1339083370 128608 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' foo < 1339083370 326223 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339083372 958341 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1339083375 737269 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339083375 896587 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339083426 840124 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339083430 320958 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ foo < 1339083430 994934 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339083442 563455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZTVrdQ/stackoverflow.com-q-10931271.html < 1339083458 34045 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ words < 1339083458 655822 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD >R * - / . R@ R> < 1339083496 464878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1339083501 508916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there's another. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10930338/buying-a-so-account (It's identical.) < 1339083503 133285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes. < 1339083580 700710 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wants to buy stack overfrow account. but why? < 1339083587 518971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reps! < 1339083592 582177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083593 120628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083594 390505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083595 471765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1339083609 970441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it even says it in the post! To "start good with the community". < 1339083615 926479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll sell mine. < 1339083623 292281 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the reps so important < 1339083624 881165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I could make, like, $3. < 1339083631 917927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: To start good with the community! < 1339083645 471124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you can vote to delete posts and stuff? I'm sure that's important to start good with the community.) < 1339083918 332048 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339083931 183527 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339083991 760476 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #esoteric is now implemented by the way < 1339084000 293740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1339084044 936017 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339084141 397115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric isn't the least common thing to start lines with in #esoteric, I think. < 1339084141 608964 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1339084150 495205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's accurate. < 1339084189 986003 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can remove that if you want < 1339084199 322773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's very accurate. < 1339084268 86432 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it doesn't post ascii goatse < 1339084337 123285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should! < 1339084346 479909 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'll implement that < 1339084352 303138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339084394 407343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My quest to right unreadable Haskell code has hit a slight hitch < 1339084399 352168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unreadable < 1339084401 712461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try wronging it instead. < 1339084408 655751 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want it I don't implement it < 1339084412 97319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*write < 1339084416 889689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think phonetically) < 1339084423 57091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ASCII goatse might not be the ideal thing to spam the channel with, no. < 1339084424 156040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The logo of a nearby driving school has gotten a lot more suggestive since the Internet age: http://www.haaganautokoulu.fi/wp-content/themes/thematic/img/header.jpg < 1339084443 738451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder what the triangle is. < 1339084460 408349 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, instead of printing the fibonacci sequence, it prints segfaults < 1339084473 281599 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what happen when I get confused < 1339084474 145644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it tries to be a traffic sign, we have many triangular ones. < 1339084502 412784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Huh? < 1339084511 624127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell programs should never segfault unless you use unsafe things like the FFI. < 1339084516 140729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should report a GHC bug. < 1339084519 791421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses unsafe things < 1339084529 150524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, then I wanna see. < 1339084529 874199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste! < 1339084531 707273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thing < 1339084551 495161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, let me get it to the thing that doesn't work like it doesn't work < 1339084595 991872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it's just unsafePerformIO, it still probably shouldn't segfault.) < 1339084598 349404 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D. On my school there was a band called "Go at sea" < 1339084607 489750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unsafeCoerce < 1339084613 880734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well then. < 1339084635 403469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69662 < 1339084658 466640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty funny when whole school starts shouting "Goatsea! Goatsea!" < 1339084659 336934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the unsafeCoerces can be replaced with ids < 1339084722 572908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That i looks susceptible to the monomorphism restriction. < 1339084727 130638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps give it a type signature. < 1339084740 128461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At the top level, not in the expression, I think.) < 1339084755 172623 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the bands logo has two hand ripping a hole in a cloud < 1339084764 942130 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*band's < 1339084912 69980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Heh. I think I've heard Haagan Autokoulu being referred to as "Goatse-autokoulu". < 1339084934 218061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pair may be wrong < 1339084995 62752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339085213 726899 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they had to change band's name though. (I suspect one of the teachers ran into goatse.) They renamed it "Meet spin" < 1339085221 525594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339085382 576804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339085461 500425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1339085526 827039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the problem is, I have no idea what type fibs should be < 1339085531 848301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone: brb < 1339085547 462693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It may very well have no type. < 1339085556 724375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, try giving it the type "a". :p < 1339085609 702786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reason for Moderation Work [...] Wants to leave the crowd of normal users and become special member of Stack Overflow with The Diamond Privilege." < 1339085712 22245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Don't you miss NSQX? < 1339085716 302592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss NSQX. < 1339085793 854571 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? has he stopped < 1339085931 152338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't edited or come here in ~days, at least. < 1339085939 509376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2 May, it seems. < 1339085947 997768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I still have to feature a new language, like, days ago. < 1339085960 744320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with eodermdrone < 1339085966 45625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still brb) < 1339086073 422799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339086156 389103 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: feature HQ9+ < 1339086165 146470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not even a candidate. < 1339086177 521619 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339086227 293750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T NOMINATE IT < 1339086284 762048 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU SPEAK IN CAPITAL LETTERS? < 1339086290 478300 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339086296 409931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I AM ENRAGED < 1339086310 967047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, added top-level type signatures, still segfaults < 1339086344 350400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one with a useless type signature was fibs2 < 1339086606 557217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1339086736 665019 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339086737 368672 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339086763 25581 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339086916 334027 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339087077 949625 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087396 738960 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087487 625593 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1339087493 317007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2581 < 1339087732 211565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087734 563341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339087888 912494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't work < 1339087926 561660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339088286 907980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pong < 1339088287 140174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339088340 229735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1339088340 445453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 21h 43m 6s ago: Why is "otherwise" not in Prelude.Generalize? It seems a silly thing to leave out < 1339088340 629469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 20h 49m 26s ago: What's the point of the application$ rule? The only time it'd get fired, the instance of Function for (i -> o) i o already does it < 1339088340 789059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 6h 50m 26s ago: Could you give me a copy of the next version of Prelude.Generalize so I know what'll be in it, please? < 1339088378 540964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "otherwise" is not useful at all < 1339088390 367422 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339088470 173445 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fan Dumb: 2DBoy released the game with no DRM whatsoever because they thought they could trust their audience. Their reward was a 90% pirate rate. < 1339088470 370682 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" -- TV Tropes on World of Goo. < 1339088500 460438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still feels really weird when people write stupid things on TV Tropes because I've unified it into one 'voice', the same as WP. < 1339088517 68377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it makes guards look better than using True < 1339088527 809842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have a unified voice for TV Tropes and it *doesn't* typically say stupid things? < 1339088546 110975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also Wikipedia the Person is the funniest person ever.) < 1339088548 299374 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes articles don't usually say stupid things... < 1339088556 120831 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not that stupid. < 1339088658 231446 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yeah, I love Wikipedia The Person. < 1339088680 339610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is that they occasionally break down and start jibbering nonsense. < 1339088691 457739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other best part is that they NEVER LAUGH. < 1339088709 171548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they keep disclaiming everything they write. < 1339088725 649377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bill Gates is gay. (I don't have a citation, though.)" < 1339088737 957661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people (who? I'm not sure.) say Bill Gates is gay." < 1339088768 118280 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I prefer how they completely skip around their own presence in the world. < 1339088788 694854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people have accused Wikipedia of inaccuracy." < 1339088790 789010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":(" < 1339088825 661607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I happen to disagree < 1339088844 104702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's your library < 1339088900 98258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next question? < 1339089042 245712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the third would be the most productive < 1339089100 276984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will send what it currently is, but even these I might change before next release < 1339089115 743037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really so I can figure out an order < 1339089137 434632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of the "application$" rule is just things I do not completely understand the rewrite rules < 1339089150 851761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust you on that < 1339089154 145502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you want to reorder the exports you can do so < 1339089160 931930 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339089166 295644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I need to know what's going to be in them first < 1339089175 706136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZTIc < 1339089188 353392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1339089305 341275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you explain what Part1 etc do? < 1339089325 750792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339089326 913737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is a generalization of fst, snd, first, second < 1339089337 228721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339089343 789159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1339089344 5902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1339089354 80700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy poor monqy hi < 1339089354 321473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339089366 378380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339089366 611931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 12s ago: poor monqy hi < 1339089507 634458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome , monqy < 1339089638 84532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you missed `ansi code fun' < 1339089652 575280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm going to write all the things on cards, and order them < 1339089779 929861 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1339089780 535054 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth < 1339089841 802132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome < 1339089846 917049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1339089847 78065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, needs an Eodermdrome interp. < 1339089851 121323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hello < 1339089858 361148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome monqy < 1339089859 49311 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to this completely useless channel! < 1339089862 405514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339089865 703914 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: #welcome is for #esoteric-en < 1339089870 717789 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to you too oonboote < 1339089872 108195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcom-en < 1339089878 944840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#velkommen < 1339089883 421248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #esoteric-en a thing < 1339089893 745398 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good thing < 1339089895 922642 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it exists < 1339089903 55301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it a thing < 1339089947 203599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know coppro plays nethack 4 in hugeterm. this was uncovered a few days ago. "things you missed" < 1339089953 206665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1339089954 766543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used hugeterm once! < 1339089958 919579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i started playing nethack a few years ago < 1339089960 309202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i stopped. < 1339089981 506641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ais523 has also said that hugeterm doesn't matter if you have a non-ttyrec recording format that lets others spectate with any terminal size. < 1339089986 592519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"giants; felled" < 1339090022 102068 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all of oonbottis public (for everyone to use) are listed in #help. commands not listed in #help require you to be listed in .botops < 1339090025 179455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you watch in "real time" at any size < 1339090033 139839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes once he gets around to implementing it < 1339090043 918721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want hugeterms taking up my whole screen when i spec < 1339090048 295839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090051 245839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i can watch in any size when i watch < 1339090054 203910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm doesnt matter to me < 1339090057 850810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's still wrong! < 1339090060 770521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really the only reason i hate hugeterm < 1339090071 418070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say someone played roguelikes exclusively locally < 1339090073 306952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hugeterm < 1339090078 130646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would stil lbe wrong! < 1339090081 156797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still be < 1339090083 191813 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the locally that's wrong there < 1339090090 250499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1339090115 809097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play in 139x40 < 1339090116 72566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not AS bad if it doesn't affect other people but < 1339090123 995399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to use a >80x24 terminal might as well just not use a terminal in the first place! < 1339090166 602486 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339090167 62021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339090183 667390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well, terminals are kind of dumb < 1339090186 796906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you've noticed < 1339090195 331921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faketerms are also dumb < 1339090215 941787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you define "fake"term < 1339090230 192689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's unreasonable to have a screen that shows a grid with the elements being unicode characters < 1339090234 591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with a terminal i get my beautiful font and can copy text from it !!!! < 1339090236 397117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make things less termy elsewhere < 1339090243 914916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can copy text from a good faketerm too! < 1339090250 140006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could set a font with it etc. < 1339090254 12694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get www. underlined for me < 1339090256 430759 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a faketerm? < 1339090260 495589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like www. being underlined < 1339090263 2067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl krakens make screen a mess < 1339090268 50703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds beautiful < 1339090271 943400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot it at yr earliest opportunity < 1339090274 848603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339090286 730650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i make urls into links and the thing i use for that underlines them < 1339090291 714946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090295 217286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent felt a need to un underline them < 1339090304 109076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad entry vault idea: spell out http://crawl.develz.org/ with dungeon features < 1339090328 122180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some monsters, a book, some wands < 1339090330 424172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any c monsters < 1339090336 926133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :centaur < 1339090339 142441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339090339 415909 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaktaur < 1339090348 686611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about e < 1339090351 794031 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elf < 1339090353 929651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339090362 403868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it'd break the next turn < 1339090367 897098 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it < 1339090373 584993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they'd move < 1339090375 74340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the books < 1339090379 266258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the :/. would be movable-onto < 1339090379 707333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put unseen horrors there < 1339090384 402040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea! < 1339090389 276858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or place the items in walls < 1339090398 84539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that possible < 1339090403 104859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're ridiculous < 1339090404 387633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as bad as rock worms < 1339090408 425910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse < 1339090412 877041 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339090415 189399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk rock worms move < 1339090417 215753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disturbing < 1339090430 714284 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or you could use mimics < 1339090435 471952 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just'd have to worry about the . < 1339090437 508604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other . < 1339090438 911628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor mimic < 1339090442 195839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1339090451 696544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :entry vault where you're surrounded by inept floor mimics < 1339090453 809505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a good reason for mimics < 1339090461 564490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a great entry vault" < 1339090530 329080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339090539 187383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to get next to the monsters in that entry vault with all the species < 1339090543 971143 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339090584 177484 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dig the grates < 1339090605 317940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they made out of plain rock or something tougher? I forget < 1339090620 928220 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grates are grates < 1339090635 312997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's an actual thing < 1339090652 479041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically transparent rock but you can smite-target through them < 1339090653 833715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok remind me to scum for that entry vault and a D:1 wand of digging/disint sometime < 1339090664 271184 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also grab a rod of ice or something < 1339090697 146514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that have smite-targeting? < 1339090701 318753 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339090705 391223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice and risk-free < 1339090729 99921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want some evo for cloud longevity < 1339090745 243315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll check out the .des, not sure if there's anything expful enough to bother scumming it < 1339090761 214300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghouls probably < 1339090767 39695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they won't go down easily < 1339090778 820801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it matter, if they can't attack you? < 1339090782 604615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just set up a macro and spam it for a year < 1339090785 465300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you're a spriggan with dispel and some form of mp regen < 1339090796 523848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:39:42 just set up a macro and spam it for a year < 1339090799 926154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it'll heal faster than you can regen mp? < 1339090801 371999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming they dont outheal you < 1339090803 914872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090826 12197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would probably involve too much startscumming for me to bother with < 1339090854 453206 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339090860 657608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming light you'd also have to scum pandoora for rod of destruction [ice] !! < 1339090864 867340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1339090872 288543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to do it before leaving D:1 < 1339090876 356754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you "breeze through the rest" < 1339090879 834933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess diving to Pandoora is probably ok < 1339090887 347451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spar; dive to d5 < 1339090892 460869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like SpWn < 1339090894 111627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the evo skill < 1339090898 809408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339090903 736290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar has the best evo skill of any background < 1339090906 572442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the < 1339090907 729435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evo class < 1339090910 655199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339090914 830571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know < 1339090916 390974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp has good evo apt too < 1339090919 562787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that works then!!! < 1339090926 678725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wn could theoretically give more though right < 1339090954 731280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there a way to check those in henzell) < 1339090956 464472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk but ar has a more useful starting kit for diving and is more reliable < 1339090958 301283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the background skills, I mean) < 1339090978 529634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you're not exporting (!!!) < 1339091190 184811 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091223 326087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339091262 815896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091573 801280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339091649 836179 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091715 174822 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/5, would watch again. http://youtu.be/ertsv-KRnVE < 1339091738 985705 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric-en foo < 1339091764 862402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric hello < 1339091777 928612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric hi < 1339092008 53280 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339092031 130123 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : #sendmsg is for botops only < 1339092088 144862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a botop < 1339092103 900639 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: botop for oonbotti < 1339092124 148337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a botop for oonboote < 1339092128 785179 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to make oonbotti say funny things you can use #echo < 1339092153 128876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes but you are not in .botops file so you are not for oonbotti < 1339092191 46678 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... < 1339092203 993126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I saw a Nancy Drew game on sale on Steam a while back, < 1339092230 673199 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo hurts norte < 1339092231 388034 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurts norte < 1339092248 372752 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbot no < 1339092263 782105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo yes < 1339092264 455564 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339092274 342678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what you have done, monqy < 1339092469 801173 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339092504 922901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo hi < 1339092505 640038 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339092707 868385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339092885 883845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339092991 412097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh;llo < 1339093164 876179 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093167 832090 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339093172 566389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339093190 372018 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093301 818173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339093310 271042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093630 474623 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093672 685094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339093688 865447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093703 286835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339093714 866682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1339093715 76588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the word "esoteric" is related to the word "in" < 1339093717 400398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339093721 120410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we broke the silence < 1339093722 481187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously < 1339093729 269532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339093743 638217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that always happen to me < 1339093750 685453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some like < 1339093753 81063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard conversational rhythm < 1339093754 807195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we all adhere to < 1339093759 147828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tells us when to break the silence < 1339093759 505401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Phantom_Hoover is right and we are the same person? < 1339093940 855061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339093987 985449 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already live in the same town, if you also happened to be the same person, personally i would get a bit suspicious. < 1339093999 776883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094076 401336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, shut up, you're the same person as oklofok < 1339094093 589706 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and elliott are allowed to be the same person if we want, < 1339094135 736260 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same person, yes < 1339094141 882953 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same town, no diddly doo < 1339094173 288698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in Finland! That's like, the same town as half the channel! < 1339094181 291927 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1339094184 8906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1339094191 977568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1339094194 692569 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1339094211 951659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have an entry on hexham? seriously? < 1339094215 987659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to < 1339094258 748774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1339094260 564920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to it? < 1339094261 620171 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1339094267 108189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339094308 529526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094478 652592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you look at http://sprunge.us/HQIN?haskell again? < 1339094511 849186 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094529 519313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I really don't know, but I suspect it's the unsafeCoerce that's messing it up. :p < 1339094542 401657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I presume so. < 1339094563 703092 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one that computed powers worked fine, but that didn't have any loops? < 1339094675 866339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339094676 301699 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339095184 77305 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339095305 849435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am exporting (!!!) although the export list is in a messy order. Feel free to change the order of the export list to whatever you want < 1339095323 957519 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ah, didn't spot it < 1339095334 414442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Fixed a bug that sometimes caused fleeing monkeys to leap into lava if the player was fire-immune, or into chasms if the player was levitating. < 1339095358 812065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try this new version sometime < 1339095440 195002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you telling me you don't like your monkeys to leap into lava or chasms < 1339095462 905479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the changes seem "pretty minor" (http://brogue.createforumhosting.com/announcing-brogue-v1-6-3-t384.html) < 1339095482 326323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm glad some developers are capable of listening to their players and scaling back OOD nonsense, as opposed to declaring it "interesting" and making it even worse." hmm, this person in /r/roguelikes seems bitter < 1339095646 720520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1339095652 828878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having someone tell me that Clojure is lazy < 1339095659 452767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person has no Haskell experience < 1339095700 965409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure probably has some lazy structures like lists? < 1339095710 187859 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think clojure has implicit laziness < 1339095720 536267 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any language with closures can emulate laziness easily < 1339095726 26178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, correct < 1339095738 777058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "implicit laziness" is a silly term, because "explicit laziness" is just "any language with closures", like you said. < 1339095756 502106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have to rewrite every data structure to get "lazy" effects, it's useless, so I'd rather just call "implicit laziness" "laziness". < 1339095757 906705 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need closures + mutation to get laziness as opposed to just non-strict semantics < 1339095765 850019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or even better, "non-strictness". But that's pedantic.) < 1339095787 62372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure, but that isn't really what people think of when talking about that :) < 1339095857 687603 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's interesting/funny you can't implement laziness in a strict pure functional language but you can in an impure one < 1339095890 463375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not sure about "can't". < 1339095895 597577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it, it'll just be more indirect. < 1339095899 607755 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339095904 202680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1339095911 615963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate world thunk (\world' thunkValue -> ...) < 1339095916 994495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where world is your cache of thunk values, and so on. < 1339095934 91626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Implementing laziness" is already indirect emulation, it just takes more of it in a pure language. < 1339095957 533338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to truly emulate laziness in a language that is already lazy? < 1339095997 443844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with that bombshell, goodnight! < 1339096001 314480 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a book) < 1339096002 490830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339096694 454874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um. < 1339096702 928501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you have a very nonstandard definition of "reverse". < 1339096838 204189 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1339096844 805380 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're good at finding things on the internet < 1339096915 120022 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find me a temperature monitor that can do an overlay for fullscreen applications that isn't rivatuner (it's a complete mess and the documentation is inconsistent with what turns up on the screen) < 1339096952 588650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, linux or windows? < 1339096957 748095 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows. < 1339096961 786095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, no idea then < 1339097174 165679 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep getting what may or may not be GPU overheats when playing Human Revolution.) < 1339097248 574234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/repeatedly < 1339097251 40136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to puke < 1339097252 944064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: How did you rule out CPU overheats? < 1339097267 423602 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "may or may not"! < 1339097269 300538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's wrong with that? < 1339097270 983633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Takes a function of no args, presumably with side effects, and < 1339097271 146308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns an infinite (or length n if supplied) lazy sequence of calls < 1339097271 306100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it" < 1339097282 286991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's wrong with that? < 1339097284 122647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reliance on side-effects to do interesting things < 1339097302 384399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Clojure is an impure language. Are you surprised? < 1339097333 103564 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and anyway ruling out either would require an overlayable temperature monitor. < 1339097624 841866 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait if it was a CPU overheat why would it only happen in fullscreen. < 1339097887 621452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger pixels < 1339097909 28439 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339098309 768787 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339098398 208580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How should I formulate it then? < 1339098674 109583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if X-Setup is the tool he remembers from when he was younger
< 1339098931 462268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339098990 891120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339099011 820438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45:11: 00:45:25: CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1339099011 980409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45:19: i thought it wasn't visible in Europe anyway. < 1339099025 816302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) i was paraphrasing zzo38 (2) it actually was visible in norway a bit after midnight, modulo clouds < 1339099048 244552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much of the rest of europe, iirc that wp map < 1339099127 438047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think there maybe was a short time after about 6 am when i could have seen it < 1339099167 415446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was cloudy most of the night, but a very sunny day) < 1339099211 838399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by night i mean before 6 am more or less, the sun is up earlier than that < 1339099260 912829 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was visible in northern europe < 1339099292 127913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... visible everywhere that has sunlight at some point during the transit? < 1339099301 67973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'd think :P < 1339099320 470752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :think? I don't think I can think < 1339099335 114253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically there is probably somewhere that only got the part of the sun disk where venus wasn't... < 1339099396 531308 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to look at it at 4:29 but I forgot to set the alarm ... < 1339099418 409198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the calculation for Venus transit being visible? < 1339099424 516863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't out of bed until noon anyway < 1339099499 996695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339099517 988607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bffb is part of the languages which are palindromic turing complete ;D < 1339099524 16479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is such a good listener. < 1339099532 829391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my l key is getting uppity < 1339099546 308777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparent diameter? < 1339099570 692136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cally < 1339099618 992491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks there is probably a crumb under it
< 1339099636 803695 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just bfb? < 1339099653 629890 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I stop sending messages throught my bot? < 1339099665 872762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO SAID THAT < 1339099671 954670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because brainfuck is usually bf? < 1339099677 234915 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I < 1339099688 630067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339099708 252292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nortti is a bot anyway, same last 3 letters in finish < 1339099711 880683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finnish < 1339099729 963891 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't notice that < 1339099756 331486 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no. I am not a bot < 1339099764 741779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1339099767 969874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _would_ say that, wouldn't you. < 1339099793 494785 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm saying bfb vs bffb.. both are palindromes < 1339099801 138871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1339099807 931396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, elliott is just clever enough to switch the letters around a bit < 1339099819 594989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so about bffb < 1339099820 582347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also read logs < 1339099825 205592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] is not a palindrome < 1339099826 607699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is [>] < 1339099829 36347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf is your example abou < 1339099829 325955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1339099888 642545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously visually mirrored palindromes should count in some way < 1339099898 782401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] isn't a palindrome? < 1339099915 580442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "mirror palindrome" < 1339099921 38431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is even better than the regular kind. < 1339099933 775916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Maybe you should call yourself "fungotti"? < 1339099935 212370 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what have i done wrong here?" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord) and 600 bytes fnord i think. < 1339099997 387836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=BFFB&action=historysubmit&diff=32714&oldid=32712 <- there. happy ;)? < 1339100009 739968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly http://paste.lisp.org/display/fnord does not exist < 1339100013 639066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as fizzie wanting help with "600 bytes fnord" of lisp code < 1339100045 330759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should read/see _Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead_! < 1339100213 758725 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 600 bytes*fnord. < 1339100233 315032 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi's alias system is pretty nice. I can just type /obmsg channel text instead of /msg -freenode oonbotti #sendmsg channel text < 1339100233 522776 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bytes*fnord is the integral of bytes over fnord.() < 1339100280 243150 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a bot? < 1339100281 538070 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: fnord. fnord että fnord se mulle moi vai vihaako se mua. lol.) < 1339100290 837472 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339100321 860926 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1339100322 20556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how clever to answer in the secret finnish code < 1339100322 667498 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1339100332 638100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot in finnish mode now? < 1339100333 543254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that explains it < 1339100341 452086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does < 1339100345 417031 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style help < 1339100346 195459 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100351 326183 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style finnish < 1339100352 158323 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100358 218252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style Finnish < 1339100359 27238 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100367 462580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1339100368 61357 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1339100376 834182 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1339100377 658820 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1339100400 114570 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you have to say? < 1339100401 154660 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: magic change! we must set a trap... heh, heh... steel! get out. you haven't done anything. < 1339100402 818762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is that the one which the sword alone cannot stop? < 1339100403 683992 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one laughing last! everyone is here...? what if she meant. i don't care what the shinra train? what are you!! < 1339100405 274411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fantasy < 1339100406 31791 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we know you're here!? i tell you all the workings of the cetra to leave the rest to ol' cid! we can use a tent and/ or select *save*. < 1339100425 526471 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc* < 1339100426 172003 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100429 375758 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1339100430 69516 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1339100440 865782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the star was there to indicate the currently selected style < 1339100455 791075 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you find in the logs? < 1339100456 851942 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: if you really need to go to < 1339100457 11137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is getting pretty good with that thar thinking < 1339100484 581090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I can pretend to think < 1339100501 572331 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pretend to think < 1339100513 296129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it please you to think you can pretend to think? < 1339100532 902192 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339100533 729677 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2N3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O < 1339100537 674060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think you something something fungot < 1339100538 608132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not /forum, apparently! < 1339100564 561295 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not eliza < 1339100595 78450 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually thinking about it having eliza/doctor bot would be fun < 1339100604 216491 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that fun < 1339100616 29197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not *that* fun < 1339100724 751101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339100857 49219 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-191.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339101052 656252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339101053 265485 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339101250 632392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :wading | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339101270 151594 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339101677 362801 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339101689 714672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with eliza < 1339101727 993344 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza hello < 1339101728 547132 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101742 254492 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101742 826791 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, how are you feeling today? < 1339101754 725897 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Hello, how are you feeling today? < 1339101755 320257 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101767 351490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ WORDS < 1339101771 747276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you removed that? < 1339101775 973100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339101790 368033 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: new commandchar is \ < 1339101793 391794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what language is the bot itself written in? < 1339101800 788437 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: python < 1339101821 350807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should use ¥ as a command char if I write a bot < 1339101836 390213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I keep hitting that instead of $ on this keyboard < 1339101851 284629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so altgr-6 rather than altgr-4 < 1339101856 6605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? blub blub < 1339101862 636031 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339101879 312861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests the command prefix "hi"
< 1339101899 661566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339101902 805070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't someone write an implementation of some language in apache rewrites and it was faster than the reference implementation in python? < 1339101912 381885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot who did it and what language it was about < 1339101916 430741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would result in us wading in hi, appropriately enough < 1339101921 424963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or topically enough? < 1339101949 622823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster TOPIC #esoteric :wading in hi | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339101955 208135 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot consists of 4 files: ircbot.py, botcmd.py, sforth.py and eliza.py < 1339101955 890982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I did one of thue... but IIRC they were approximately the same speed in the end < 1339101973 695304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh, where did the "faster" bit come from then? < 1339102002 173259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just don't recall at all what the exact result was, if I said faster it should've been faster or I'd have been lying < 1339102013 670818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339102036 183906 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339102036 995187 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339102137 677587 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102149 858578 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339102162 111889 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: here again? < 1339102162 650451 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1339102167 579938 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102176 902963 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1339102185 386583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliza is boring < 1339102209 546715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ WORDS < 1339102209 718074 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD >R * - / . R@ R> < 1339102227 843626 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: get me better AI with pytho implementation < 1339102231 290648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339102234 320529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1339102238 225427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Clojure often used in a work environment? < 1339102244 603892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how do you define something like a loop using those words? < 1339102249 969255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely lost < 1339102253 600696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, that means I could learn an actually-decent job-relevant language < 1339102254 395788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is in a Clojure work environment < 1339102261 863788 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't. it usn't nearly complete < 1339102269 180325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339102276 525743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to learn Java < 1339102281 191987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :any and all languages should be job-relevant, for the kind of job you want to be having < 1339102284 410253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I know the basics of classes and interfaces < 1339102288 771861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except python and ant) < 1339102296 622653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102352 793657 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only differences from yesterday are addition of 2DUP and ROT and implemeting MOD in forth < 1339102362 337251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, I don't seem to have put the "benchmark" results in writing anywhere on like my blog either < 1339102382 939342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1339102438 684387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think you need HERE, POSTPONE, DOES>, IMMEDIATE right? < 1339102453 989542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err and something that ends up in a JMP I guess < 1339102461 555789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm < 1339102479 609810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, speaking of ant, what about maven? < 1339102486 405411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of it, never used it < 1339102496 401419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I used java I mostly only used eclipse < 1339102496 600409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like ant, but with more xml, I think < 1339102503 407805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let that do whatever the hell it wants < 1339102513 300100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does eclipse use ant? < 1339102550 344687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think eclipse can if you want to (otoh, why on earth would anyone?), but eclipse mostly does everything its own way < 1339102557 698719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in the project I have here it seems to be invoking android SDK tools rather, so I guess that is nothing like the standard build setup < 1339102577 830919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I don't have any non-android projects handy < 1339102610 703243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why would I use eclipse if I wasn't developing for android? NetBeans crashes far less often!) < 1339102649 552517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, btw it is amusing but eclipse on windows is far less stable than on linux < 1339102670 918460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could e.g. use vim... the android tools kind of push you into using ant for all Java parts of the build though < 1339102673 223027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when working on android projects < 1339102689 501354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh I need a GUI layout designing tool :P < 1339102695 998977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netbeans support for android lacks that < 1339102707 387613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so me < 1339102708 810484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh* < 1339102734 625783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write the layouts in XML too < 1339102744 607434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using $EDITOR < 1339102747 375856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes but that would be much more painful < 1339102751 988724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would involve writing XML < 1339102754 910144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1339102818 906106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eclipse on windows just like to randomly bug out in strange ways... Usually restarting it helps. Things like showing incorrect build errors in the list but not in the file (or vice versa) and no at all errors in that file after restarting eclipse. < 1339102835 638690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just null pointer exception in eclipse itself < 1339102865 237617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway, so far I will take a crashing eclipse over writing XML manually < 1339102886 62220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder what working with the NDK will be like. < 1339102888 869958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I need it < 1339102895 510274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not, it seems painful to setup < 1339102933 140274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was possible to get it working magically with eclipse's CDT, but unfortunately I have no memory of how difficult it was to get working in the first place < 1339102958 417630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDT? < 1339102962 806599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do on-device debugging with that stuff ... once you get it working :) < 1339102963 71568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the C environment < 1339102964 134893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339102985 782685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you should have written a guide for yourself. I always do that when I'm doing messy embedded stuff < 1339103005 472584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like getting the environment for developing native code for RCX setup < 1339103024 299984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a PAIN, had to compile old native gcc and use it to compile old cross compiler gcc < 1339103028 523398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Freenode's webchat have a captcha? < 1339103028 919844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of patches < 1339103034 355334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any bot could just connect directly < 1339103041 150823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the target I needed was dropped in GCC 4) < 1339103043 794960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I got my c compiler to parse throught itself < 1339103056 475896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I decided it wasn't *really* sufficiently nice to be worth doing again anyway, I'll just continue that project using editor and terminal < 1339103057 43268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you wrote your own C compiler? < 1339103058 476375 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what target did you need? < 1339103069 850710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, trying to remember, h8300-coff iirc < 1339103073 251348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something weird like that < 1339103073 621414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: csrf, presumably < 1339103079 147043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the issue was the coff bit < 1339103079 306809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. < 1339103080 285749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows. < 1339103095 910319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so old binutils too iirc < 1339103096 489164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. I am aiming for under 64kB binary size when ran on elks < 1339103099 560877 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the eclipse stuff mostly set up the android-like build system in such a way that you can build it outside eclipse < 1339103107 707275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh so not your own parser :P < 1339103120 497463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm? < 1339103132 976960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also wrote my own parser < 1339103133 982642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with writing a C compiler is the bloody parser < 1339103140 612017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now I'm impressed < 1339103156 553854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or maybe I just recreated the android project files from scratch on my other computer... it wasn't a terribly complicated project, so that would've worked too < 1339103172 605274 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it chockes on K&R style function definitions < 1339103184 683432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, I decided it wasn't *really* sufficiently nice to be worth doing again anyway, I'll just continue that project using editor and terminal <-- well I need the thing to work on linux and windows. I can't work exclusively on linux. So that would make the NDK even more painful I bet < 1339103239 515199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing just java development is easy enough though < 1339103266 909607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :android on windows is just like android on linux, but you add cygwin < 1339103284 113717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I assume you target C11? < 1339103288 119127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C99 at least < 1339103293 69265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and pain, of course, but that's what happens when you develop on windows) < 1339103293 338966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who would need K&R < 1339103307 498732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried to use yacc and lex but after yacc threw errors on even example code I said fuck it and wrote my own on C. my compiler only has parser currently so it isn't really that usefull. and no. I target c90 < 1339103308 290984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Writing C for Android is also pain, so. < 1339103316 192763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well it is not me as such working on windows, I'm not the only one working on this project < 1339103321 787508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt we will need the NDK < 1339103326 834250 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C for Android is not bad < 1339103332 820751 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't expect it to be a POSIX system < 1339103342 217142 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that bionic libc is bad < 1339103343 497993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an ISO C system. < 1339103352 591484 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it deviate from ISO C? < 1339103356 999397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, all we might potentially need is C for heavy number crunching < 1339103371 653393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of real time, and would involve threading too so hm < 1339103373 84814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy number crunching on Android < 1339103373 244193 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libc is bit broken < 1339103386 238705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm doing indoor positioning using WLAN. < 1339103393 967163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no way around it < 1339103420 798441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it in the cloud < 1339103442 745263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libm, wchar_t... < 1339103491 52770 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am aiming to replace bcc after I found out it is too big to run on ELKS < 1339103502 302277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ELKS being? < 1339103513 699426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 1) lag (yes really, we tested this! On a moving user, the lag from the round trip is noticeable) 2) connection issues would kill it (you might not be connected to the WLAN in question, you could use mobile data) < 1339103530 97656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mobile coverage might be poor in some areas where this could be used < 1339103534 273675 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Embeddable Linux Kernel Subser (basicaly old linux kernel on intel 8086) < 1339103539 245390 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Subset < 1339103543 270735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339103555 480176 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to finding that hello world in brainfuck I used to benchmark that brainfuck in thue interpreter as interpreted by the two thue implementations
< 1339103561 648873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is it usually compiled with? < 1339103573 452879 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bcc < 1339103575 357547 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the lack of useful wchar_t is annoying < 1339103579 873387 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though wchar_t is broken on principle < 1339103582 604198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, then how can it be too large? < 1339103585 115657 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's fixed in latest NDK < 1339103604 99926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, people uses wchar_t? < 1339103604 759821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339103605 82237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because it's a largely *bad* interface does not excuse them for not supporting it. < 1339103619 758438 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can't build anything on ELKS host but bcc has ELKS target < 1339103622 554366 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Used extensively in Win32, actually. < 1339103623 448134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, btw, what about that new fancy renderscript thing I saw in the SDK docs... < 1339103628 796552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it yet < 1339103639 168866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1339103647 599484 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the only UTF Microsoft supports is UTF-16. < 1339103660 596608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but how does it handle chars that need surrogate pairs? < 1339103665 720696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wchar_t on Win32 is 16 bit. < 1339103669 627617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly. < 1339103671 353175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc wchar_t is fixed size? < 1339103677 594174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite all your complaining, the libc and C on Android is overall among the most sane you can find on a mobile platform < 1339103693 328504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anything less than UCS4 and you need to handle variable size chars! < 1339103705 193727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either programs simply don't make the assumption that wchar_t is actually fixed with, or it's actually UCS-2. < 1339103723 729459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the java environment on Android isn't that bad. Btw what about C# on Windows Phone? < 1339103727 653463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, but the only alternatives in use are glibc and uclibc. < 1339103739 495446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# in general isn't all that bad, about as bad/good as Java IMO < 1339103746 76962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: This is like saying "for all your complaining, getting hit in the nuts is much less bad than getting shot in the head." < 1339103753 588879 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well it is pretty good for mobile platform but not stardard compliant. It is based on old BSD code < 1339103763 182526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, anything *in general* you need to handle variable size chars. < 1339103765 588003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, C# has LINQ < 1339103770 783647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That alone makes it better than Java < 1339103774 141633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13 Just because it's a largely *bad* interface does not excuse them for not supporting it. < 1339103775 417323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it? < 1339103775 848404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you don't have to use LINQ < 1339103780 734885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you like that? huh < 1339103786 211791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like wchar_t is very common < 1339103792 431010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a touch of functional programming < 1339103798 938027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1339103803 752582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more egregious omissions are in POSIX. < 1339103815 161754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as largely broken pthreads. < 1339103833 979132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm but there are native Linux programs below. I seen them from the adb shell prompt < 1339103840 163689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how could they get away with that < 1339103840 370235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's nothing wrong with linq < 1339103848 857623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They wrote their own userspace. < 1339103867 196878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also sucks. < 1339103882 967588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough, I only really used it to wrap SQL, and for that it is often just an annoying broken abstraction (sure /when/ it works it is nice, but often it doesn't do what I want) < 1339103888 862065 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does anyone know whose idea was to make android toolbox so horrible < 1339103905 240699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, heh, I thought it was busybox < 1339103907 93221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339103916 817778 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope, they have a no-GPL-in-userspace policy. < 1339103924 855656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1339103936 406661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they created their own broken clone of busybox called android toolbox < 1339103953 784580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains why some of the commands seem unusually limited in terms of flags < 1339103960 266351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more some than in busybox < 1339103963 253286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so* < 1339104009 742351 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that they would eventualy replace that with toybox < 1339104015 120552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone actually use Windows Phone? < 1339104027 420082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, toybox? < 1339104036 829126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an utterly ungooglable name < 1339104051 159481 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rob Landley's new project. google linux toybox < 1339104058 922084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've seen one person with a windows phone phone < 1339104060 434071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339104071 78436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339104095 827094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, same actually. And that guy was evaluating the user experience on different mobile operating systems < 1339104101 150217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't really count < 1339104117 608074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: FSVO new. < 1339104129 743747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Values equal to 2006.) < 1339104137 69830 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO? < 1339104144 906492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, "September 7, 2006 - Project launched, first commit to mercurial archive." < 1339104149 256773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott means that < 1339104150 81619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fsvo < 1339104167 970661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he asked what it meant: For some values of < 1339104169 608828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^ < 1339104225 677455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I usually refer to busybox as Landley's old project and to toybox as Landley's new project < 1339104228 819844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is GCC C11 support like I wonder < 1339104397 132014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use toybox commands in place of busybox commands when I can (basicaly everything that is compiled with default config except df (no -h), tail (no -number that tazpkg needs), head (look at tail) and ls (no -h, no color coding)) < 1339104509 423996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why? < 1339104516 664991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against busybox? < 1339104552 17460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I use a bloated GNU userland :P (I love my ls & grep --color=auto ;) < 1339104575 669414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 24k /bin/true. < 1339104590 79778 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I can < 1339104595 209788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: How will my 3TB hard disk cope? D-8 < 1339104607 166773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right, but is there any advantage to toybox compared to bb? < 1339104623 252528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -bsh /bin/true < 1339104623 411815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :35K /bin/true < 1339104625 992524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, You are wrong < 1339104629 815250 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: smaller, cleaner aproach, BSD style license < 1339104631 256145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 35K < 1339104642 940344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry, that has no business being larger than the smallest possible binary. < 1339104655 364034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like, really, int main(){return 0;} < 1339104667 903275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i cared about the size of the true binary < 1339104669 749477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you make *that* that large... < 1339104670 54050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1339104672 527339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1339104673 598955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1339104676 888586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :past me, I mean < 1339104689 877756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it's broken < 1339104690 75064 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/true --help < 1339104693 73028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless you are doing embedded development there really isn't much of a reason to care < 1339104694 567389 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Dude, I want true --help in Swahili. < 1339104700 678953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really a statement of how much *friggin' terrible code* there is out there. < 1339104701 434316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I've forgotten the magic incantation to make it go < 1339104723 304309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what is broken? < 1339104732 699738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewrite stuff < 1339104736 680401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339104748 388337 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my true is 0kB < 1339104769 756697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it's not actually doing almost anything of the interpretation that it should be doing < 1339104846 72933 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /bin/true is 7 bytes < 1339104883 313313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the disk block size being what? < 1339104899 215696 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I used ls -lh < 1339104914 575038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes but on a normal file system it will still take 4 KB < 1339104915 723816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exit 0"? < 1339104916 398313 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339104916 558130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but the python thing is still running after 15 minutes < 1339104923 284634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1339104933 259028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what program where you running in it? < 1339104949 438087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: du -ach says both are 0 bytes < 1339104970 252528 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1339104975 645629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :python > thue > brainfuck > hello world < 1339105020 155480 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my ~/bin/true was generated with touch ~/bin/true; chmod 755 ~/bin/true and my /bin/true is symbolic link < 1339105055 599765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, okay, and what? < 1339105078 801136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs mod_rewrite-thue > brainfuck > hello world ... which if you think about it is not entirely fair because the thue program is actually compiled into mod_rewrite rules rather than being interpreted < 1339105086 397836 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why did you say what? < 1339105090 223693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1339105098 901409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is your point? < 1339105133 259493 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that my true really uses only the disk space of i-node < 1339105158 928478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, come to think of it the thue to mod_rewrite compiler could be made self-hosting quite easily < 1339105170 426840 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339105189 41956 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :self hosting thue... do want < 1339105190 751133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but the symlink must point somewhere < 1339105207 687429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and that file must take more than an inode < 1339105214 127153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be useless < 1339105220 637522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well, the compiler is a fairly simple set of string rewrite rules, could be written in anything < 1339105220 974982 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. ths < 1339105226 203103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm? < 1339105228 818698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but it's currently written in sed for convenience < 1339105254 837642 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s+at is true for /bin/true but not for ~/bin/true which is just empty file < 1339105273 38264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux will run an empty file? < 1339105274 295880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1339105288 32457 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. It is treated as shell script < 1339105288 901270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is strange < 1339105310 497355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well then, the memory overhead is much worse than with a real true. You load the entire sh! < 1339105314 96688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame on you < 1339105318 476888 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually old unixes used empty file as /bin/true < 1339105326 437286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE RAM! < 1339105335 984270 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but my executable is 0b :P < 1339105349 344896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but that doesn't matter. Disks are WAY larger than the RAM < 1339105353 177926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually at least < 1339105377 346644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure .text and .rodata are shared, but a shell is going to have a lot of .data and .bss too < 1339105390 152767 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my sh is busybox, my /bin/true is busybox. I can't see how it would load more to memory < 1339105396 843826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correction, a *GNU* shell is going to have a lot of .data and .bss too. :) < 1339105437 155844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, my /bin/sh is dash iirc < 1339105444 289626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339105445 651692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[25] .data PROGBITS 0000000000618300 00018300 00000200 0 WA 0 0 32 < 1339105455 929130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is MUCH more than a simple /bin/true would have < 1339105461 234675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would have zero) < 1339105466 790416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[26] .bss NOBITS 0000000000618500 00018500 00002bd0 0 WA 0 0 32 < 1339105476 242912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A glibc-linked /bin/true pulls in rather a lot more. < 1339105490 607135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, indeed, but why would it need to be that < 1339105522 978134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1559742 18024 19184 1596950 185e16 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so < 1339105552 765657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that gets mapped in if you dynamic link a program... < 1339105558 152091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to wonder if Clojure might be a sufficiently good language for me to be happy, that could also be directly career relevant < 1339105576 644282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is moot on a non-embedded system. You have more than enough RAM and disk space usually. This system I'm typing on is a laptop with 2 GB RAM and 250 GB disk. And I'm not worried. Even less so on my desktop with a total of 4 TB disk iirc (this is split by dual booting and RAID 1 though, so 1 TB in practise for linux) and 16 GB RAM < 1339105607 772010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more than 4 TB, I forgot my SSD < 1339105618 216082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. now I use toybox true which loads 83kB toybox to memory instead of 540kB busybox < 1339105621 774521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cache? < 1339105629 942097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, on my desktop or laptop? < 1339105632 874222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either. < 1339105640 464864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache size : 3072 KB < 1339105644 185085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1? < 1339105645 449904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, laptop is a Core 2 Duo < 1339105650 666828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the cache size is silly < 1339105656 46794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is L2 < 1339105689 696884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway L1 doesn't really matter here, /bin/true is not going to run long enough for it to be useful. L1 is useful for tight loops! < 1339105695 225484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/true doesn't loop < 1339105707 756704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, this is all serving more as a *proxy* for something much more relevant. < 1339105715 60201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, code. < 1339105722 789301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, and I can't check on my desktop (Core i7 Sandy Bridge) since it is booted to windows atm < 1339105731 473962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a large /bin/true like that the *code* is large and hard to understand, needlessly. < 1339105744 992481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is a much more relevant point < 1339105805 233613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case a simple #include \n int main(void) { return EXIT_SUCCESS; } makes most sense < 1339105823 221821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1339105823 433720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless POSIX says /bin/true should return 0, in which case you can drop that include < 1339105848 962174 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my own true: main(){return 0;} < 1339105855 901697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: return 0 is guaranteed to work like return EXIT_SUCCESS IIRC. < 1339105864 832219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, perhaps < 1339105865 673649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But return 1 is not guaranteed to work like return EXIT_FAILURE.) < 1339105869 26100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339105874 358812 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles to 348B binary using otcc < 1339105880 911716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, didn't you use a symlink before? < 1339105888 501242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you changed your mind? < 1339105896 284992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also which linker did you use? < 1339105904 876727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c This is not as bad as a lot of *other* things in coreutils, but still a bit much. < 1339105909 183150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it's perfectly reasonable for true to support help, fwiw.
< 1339105923 675062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why be inconsistent, UI-wise, just because a program's main purpose is trivial? < 1339105926 941509 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I used otcc. it has builting cpp, codegenerator and linker < 1339105928 424263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atexit (close_stdout); < 1339105931 126548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHY* < 1339105932 707269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :) < 1339105937 462653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT* < 1339105946 33237 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this notion that most GNU code is terrible < 1339105951 274595 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the programs are useful and work ok < 1339105951 434237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, uh, perhaps they were supporting some old system that was broken? < 1339105973 255860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But has working atexit? < 1339105982 56382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: instead of assuming there's no reason and they're just dumb, I'd probably assume there is a good reason and I just don't know it < 1339105982 766359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, stranger things have happened < 1339105983 811779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv < 1339106001 107721 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't always call longjmp, but when i do it's from an atexit handler < 1339106002 967300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the log for the file maybe < 1339106007 900091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I'm saying GNU code is good in general) < 1339106008 729330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look up the docs for the function < 1339106029 253296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't in that file < 1339106037 817573 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339106053 9289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/src/true.c?id=309c1c3e47655f610c3c169bc19de9d4a3fc92a1 < 1339106054 858359 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: althought you might not want to use otccelf (otcc that produces elf files. I used that not otcc) for real purposes because it is IOCCC winner < 1339106057 455196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why yet < 1339106073 985368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hah < 1339106082 546999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: consider true > file < 1339106090 170712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needing to close stdout seems more plausible then < 1339106091 571719 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's from the giant chunk of portability-by-invoking-undefined-behavior-special-cased called gnulib. < 1339106126 847247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, winner which year? < 1339106141 709335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right, but why < 1339106164 789436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google index the logs of #esoteric? < 1339106171 179755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339106175 103273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux 2 b u < 1339106179 265916 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember < 1339106225 413597 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339106257 439724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2001 < 1339106257 673508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, didn't you say otcc was the one you wrote?! < 1339106274 442395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a different one? < 1339106276 262785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why did you ask, out of curiosity < 1339106278 937444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1339106279 605338 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. I have my own c compiler that is unnamed < 1339106282 975734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339106319 537569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there? < 1339106338 450739 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1339106341 365549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how does your JIT dc from IOCCC work? < 1339106353 947131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite well, thank you. < 1339106354 737315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can't find the download link < 1339106376 341343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell is the download link from the last IOCCC!? < 1339106376 863107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2011_richards < 1339106380 14712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There appears to be no documentation for why that function exists at all. < 1339106387 224551 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you can stand otcc's c dialect it otccelf produces very small files < 1339106393 167481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that, I am inclined to call it cargo culting. < 1339106417 622804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: If you can stand cat(1)'s assembly dialect it produces very small files. < 1339106420 11108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the function in question depends on functions that need to be special cased for each libc. < 1339106421 900102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I can only stand using C99 or later < 1339106425 168025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/assembly/machine code/ < 1339106432 859105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wanted to find some logs, specifically the one where I say mod_rewrite is faster than python < 1339106439 97686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: !logs < 1339106443 526933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/machine code/& embedded in a binary format/ < 1339106444 13323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use rsync + grep < 1339106447 926838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes < 1339106449 578470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "dialect" < 1339106460 486747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1339106469 479995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" it's faster than python now, by 15%" < 1339106491 621648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation of what? < 1339106492 89736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google found http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/11.04.14 < 1339106508 12584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, gah I don't want to unravel that. How do you do it? Precompile functions and copy them in? < 1339106523 776199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I think that was with the version that was 10% off the correct answer < 1339106533 121645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My policy remains firm. I'll help you figure it out if you put in a bit of effort, I won't just tell you. < 1339106572 999895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows how!
< 1339106576 235112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will also not tell.
< 1339106599 654930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sec, needs to load the code on a desktop monitor < 1339106619 565150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You told me. Does that mean I'm special? < 1339106623 624332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go take a shower, so if you're onto something I'll help you then. < 1339106632 690332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You asked before IOCCC X-D < 1339106636 486714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, meh I'm likely going to sleep soon < 1339106639 68080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true!!! < 1339106640 467836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence, before my policy existed. < 1339106642 677130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you tell me? < 1339106644 148357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION early & special
< 1339106678 395955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh < 1339106681 855888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too annoying < 1339106687 683220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just devote a bit of effort to it < 1339106692 104497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har < 1339106692 303134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to figure out some of it < 1339106699 73602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand this laugh < 1339106699 900007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm half asleep < 1339106707 944265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do it tomorrow :P < 1339106722 240611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt I will remember < 1339106732 131526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll remind you < 1339106739 252943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather lambdabot will < 1339106783 786849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I will be busy then < 1339106796 896192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could just grep the logs < 1339106800 39494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when Gregor told you < 1339106808 55450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless that was outside this channel? < 1339106815 879642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1339106819 382656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339106833 700171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why not just tell me. You are a nice guy after all. Right? < 1339106843 541636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice enough to not ruin a puzzle for you, yes < 1339106910 150405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm going to try to build Gregor's program under Windows. Using MSVC 2010! < 1339106918 43252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be portable right? < 1339106932 656095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might work < 1339106938 563836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about alloca though < 1339106985 233857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does it require alloca or was that an optional feature? < 1339107012 761542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it doesn't compile with bcc ;( < 1339107021 392491 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or otccelf < 1339107047 630823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, tried the various flags? < 1339107061 631952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it requires it < 1339107088 528135 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339107142 645586 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. it dies on either missing mmap.h or MAP_PRIVATE and MAP_ANON < 1339107160 318391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, -DNM irc < 1339107161 761953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1339107167 686226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the code to figure out the defines < 1339107174 695791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just got -6 against death_to_defence with a defence program :) < 1339107179 521763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am now furiously constant tweaking < 1339107189 396651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like defence may be back on after all < 1339107193 463221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339107194 311722 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1339107194 491807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339107194 651828 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1339107198 232782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you see quintopia updated spelevator? < 1339107211 30532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew he was doing it, I didn't see the final update < 1339107214 876341 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It results in missing symbols < 1339107218 702507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now gets 50 points or something < 1339107227 719713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good, but not leaderboard-topping good < 1339107231 292100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339107235 880386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what sort of updates did you apply? < 1339107249 691122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does the defence program work? < 1339107273 916110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll publish it all at once < 1339107283 589875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has some similarities to shudder programs < 1339107289 300148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other similarities to lock programs < 1339107303 117962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was just asking for the strategy info, not the code :p < 1339107307 194569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1339107326 455125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically formed of periods of shuddering and periods of clearing < 1339107340 812933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and runs out of time on long tapes, and has a lot of potential for constant tweaking < 1339107479 317574 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : read the code to figure out the defines // or, read the hints file X-D < 1339107500 505163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be nice to have a generic constant-tweaker program < 1339107506 187429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a much simpler thing to write than a full evolver < 1339107524 908971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have one, what do you think I'm tweaking with? < 1339107534 852230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I assumed you wrote one for the purpose < 1339107540 434939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It should compile with MSVC, but you MAY need to tweak it to include malloc.h, if I recall my Windows alloca properly. < 1339107541 850643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its input syntax like? < 1339107556 66500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a t after any number in the code, it mutates it < 1339107567 851611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why t? < 1339107577 615624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple numbers if you want to optimise multiple things against each other < 1339107584 298197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm guessing "tweak", although I can no longer remember < 1339107590 808598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is it? < 1339107595 477897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and what hill does it use?) < 1339107599 273424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I have a CD with MSVC 6.0 somewhere, should I try it? < 1339107608 285640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that fast on defence programs, and it uses any hill you like, I'm running it on EgoBot's current hill < 1339107609 315944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I doubt that will run on 64-bit windows 7 < 1339107614 447061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although atm it's optimising for points not score < 1339107619 612305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I really don't want to mess up my system < 1339107632 947989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, MSVC of the ALL-CAPS MENUS < 1339107639 48215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339107641 831606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that < 1339107657 930137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's new < 1339107662 440045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are raging about it < 1339107666 423246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 2011? < 1339107669 587691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 < 1339107670 553959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a screenshot and they looked reasonable < 1339107672 784650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339107673 823468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first Reddit, and now Slashdot < 1339107684 25411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all caps menus? what? < 1339107692 218694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that make sense? < 1339107697 535499 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/unqpz/microsoft_insists_you_will_love_our_all_caps/ < 1339107698 675482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't work. < 1339107703 264587 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339107705 450260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, boring < 1339107745 280500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that seems terrible... < 1339107750 363557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not 1 april < 1339107752 863229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1339107781 878927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :We’ve chosen to use uppercase styling in the top menu for two main reasons: 1) to keep Visual Studio consistent with the direction of other Microsoft user experiences < 1339107784 644248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH? < 1339107791 522663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else does microsoft use all caps? < 1339107794 302997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is terrible < 1339107811 128646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it lists some places below < 1339107812 194801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, the idea's to beat timer clear by, with appropriately tweaked constants, first locking the main loop, /then/ locking the fallback loop < 1339107819 113998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you agree with the other places? < 1339107832 307984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't really know anything about them < 1339107834 644285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that line would be very zzoish if out of context < 1339107836 226599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not softwares I use < 1339107864 576928 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339107876 724134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do the softwares have codes < 1339107885 318790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop being zzo! < 1339107887 173376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1339107892 859793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're the one who said "softwares"! < 1339107895 61693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it works in the web design of azure portal (the linked item) < 1339107899 512764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1339107910 858817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kind of at least. Not terribly nice < 1339107914 175993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what will replace Microsoft when they suicide
< 1339107920 144647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that bad < 1339107921 506509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they'll survive, who knows < 1339107927 834283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a windows UI it is just horrible though < 1339107928 921536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 8 is going to cause them problems, but they might not be insurmountable < 1339107953 518292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think they are going to get stuck supporting windows 7 for ages, like they got stuck with xp < 1339107954 230186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd rather see them do something like Windows 8 than keep releasing the same OS over and over, it's at least more fun to watch < 1339107968 599911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because windows 7 is a reasonably good, if resource hungry windows version < 1339107972 358617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :far better than vista < 1339107983 132063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1339107983 291854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista was not really that bad as i understand it < 1339107985 243386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I'm not talking about my preferences to watch < 1339107991 152977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Vista is my favourite Windows version < 1339108000 608415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh I used vista for about half an hour, it was pretty bad < 1339108004 109339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Windows 8 looks pretty badly executed, but I think there's some good sentiment behind it < 1339108021 849719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to apply to a lot of things Microsoft does < 1339108070 58105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if Windows 8 ends up being a bad desktop OS, probably the best thing Microsoft can hope for is to give up their desktop OS dominance in turn for the mobile/tablet space < 1339108077 254503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "That said, we will enable you to customize the casing, and we are exploring options for how to expose that choice." < 1339108078 920995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, Windows 8 looks like a pretty good tablet OS < 1339108082 991844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems like a non-issue now to me < 1339108090 724099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone can get what they prefer < 1339108095 801688 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reistalled Vista 3 times a row because it fucked up itself < 1339108100 353505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shudderlock http://sprunge.us/hPLe < 1339108103 845109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what with netbooks and so on, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost that desktop OS grip over a slower period anyway < 1339108114 255994 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_shudderlock: 43.0 < 1339108120 823722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't really fit in with the Windows model well, it seems around as third-party-software-hostile as iOS < 1339108131 127805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unapproved third party software, that is < 1339108132 991717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is far more scary is that they will force specific fonts, meaning clear type hell < 1339108137 376100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really, AFAICT < 1339108154 501320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen that screenshot of Windows 8's metro home page with the Microsoft apps on the left and everyone else's on the right? < 1339108165 573662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contrast is ridiculous :) < 1339108176 88469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a far cry from iOS... < 1339108178 156134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand cleartype. And Segoe UI and Consolas are unreadable without clear type (everything else is unreadable with it though) < 1339108184 634365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone promotes their own stuff like that < 1339108187 82411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust vs ais523_shudderlock.bfjoust < 1339108188 500083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339109564 687808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man.bfjoust < 1339109580 923681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/jousturl < 1339109583 807005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109595 340976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo "http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/$1.bfjoust"' >>bin/jousturl < 1339109598 87163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/jousturl < 1339109598 656209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109601 464201 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109608 137582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jousturl olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man < 1339109610 779228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man.bfjoust < 1339109612 189408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yw < 1339109649 298592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, it's mostly a shudder, just with added stupidity < 1339109663 796076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>.)*3 at the end of the program? seriously? < 1339109669 840561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ask olsner" < 1339109759 367491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1339109772 376847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it the BF Joust equivalent of trolling, and am wondering if it was evolved < 1339109823 594674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, interior_crocodile_alligator was "trolling" (i hate that word) < 1339109833 288025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1339109837 111057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they both are < 1339109852 709607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, interior_crocodile_alligator won because it did really stupid things that nobody anticipated because they made no sense < 1339109990 403289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuskelar is similar < 1339110006 595391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that some of the things it does not only make no sense, but cannot possibly increase its win chances < 1339110016 695747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they either do nothing or suicide < 1339110211 880193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think, more probably, olsner just has no idea what he's doing < 1339110214 479591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is winning by luck :) < 1339110235 378133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: what are you doing < 1339110378 875003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might hypothesize that no matter the hill, there will be some program which can win it despite being easily defeatable in afterthought < 1339110433 171178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you sound like itidus :) < 1339110436 999065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems practically certain to me < 1339110437 158795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically an extended RPS idea < 1339110449 759923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally believed that there is an algorithm that turns a program into a program that beats that program < 1339110453 304029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on all tape lengths and polarities) < 1339110471 246672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "easily defeatable" is a given in some sense < 1339110496 428785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, I think "win it" has to be as strong as "beat every other program on the hill" in general < 1339110501 427237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1339110526 142352 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ viddler has astonishingly obnoxious ads < 1339110602 474472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: and it's trying to charge 10¢ per ad to skip them < 1339110608 478996 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339110610 261947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an astonishingly large amount of money < 1339110611 970314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one ad < 1339110621 850541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely ads cost less than 10¢ each on viddler? < 1339110627 583110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :per view? < 1339110632 274801 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's genius in its abject lack of intelligence. < 1339110636 548278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm when you put it that way, you could also make the opposite hypothesis - that there's some collection of 50 programs such that at least one of them wins against anything else. < 1339110641 471182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, 10 cents /per ad/? < 1339110646 369838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's genius in that someone will probably actually pay < 1339110647 425249 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339110647 897725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes! < 1339110651 171407 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110659 790148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1339110673 146186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are plenty of people who could afford that, but it's still exorbitant < 1339110682 556258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110687 154011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're rich enough, paying 10 cents per ad is cheaper than going to the fuss of blocking them < 1339110705 781336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because there's fuss in paying the money too < 1339110720 238800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to get an account with the ad payment people < 1339110725 304562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably /more/ fuss than installing an ad blocker < 1339110739 47934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably have to log into it, too < 1339110750 539147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people let things stay logged in < 1339110757 483805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have your personal details in an autofill thing... < 1339110768 380092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that you'd have to be very rich however :) < 1339110772 9280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but spontaneous logout for one reason or another is quite common < 1339110772 875596 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to comment on why Adblock nor Adblock Plus were working on it, but then I realised I have them both turned off on Shamus Young's site. < 1339110807 262119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube does ads better, and dailymotion better still < 1339110836 403211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dailymotion now allows skipping ads with no downside, even if you don't have an ad blocker; this probably works well in that it doesn't really incentivise you to bother to get an ad blocker, so you still see the very start of each ad) < 1339110848 483685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110858 830367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(youtube has a delay before you can skip a video ad) < 1339110870 904860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate that i live in a world where there is something worse than youtube video ads < 1339110881 739461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they single-handedly drove me to install an ad blocker < 1339110883 736100 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really minded YouTube ads? < 1339110907 279060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: seriously? the video ones? < 1339110907 522078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it really depends on what sort of videos you watch, some genres are much ad-heavier than others < 1339110908 780969 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few seconds at the start of the video... isn't really what I'd call obnoxious. < 1339110913 64974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1339110914 91471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're awful < 1339110936 95283 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? I've never had a problem with it. < 1339110949 354272 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: youtube has ads before videos? since when? < 1339110970 647139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: as I said, it really depends on what you're looking at < 1339110974 685008 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although when they still did the long ads (rarely) I just muted them and tabbed out so I'm pretty tolerant. < 1339110981 308916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch, say, ten to twenty featured videos in a row and you'll start seeing them < 1339110987 265851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I use the mute-and-tab-out method too < 1339111018 763797 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in what kind of videos do you see them? < 1339111019 384842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never notice because AdBlock. < 1339111025 419519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tv i watch the ads out of perverse amusement < 1339111030 366739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339111030 526601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: featured videos, and videos by youtube partners < 1339111032 443963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're amazing < 1339111038 80909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more than just that < 1339111040 513599 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the Viddler ads were mutable. < 1339111045 235610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1339111048 205851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I won't hear you badmouth TV ads. < 1339111065 546507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever wanted a cup of tea in the middle of an hour-long BBC slot? < 1339111068 175220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the other category is videos which contain audio or video which has a third-party copyright claim < 1339111105 491755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :increasingly common nowadays, with the rise of copyright trolls < 1339111139 662683 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I watch videos by youtube partners and I have never seen them. it mat be because I haven't used youtube's official players for over haof a year < 1339111141 103331 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Americans don't get those "blocked from your country on copyright grounds" messages. < 1339111147 110919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: im not badmouthing they're glorious < 1339111149 720984 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that. < 1339111150 537315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's capitalism at its finest!!! < 1339111164 156319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: We do. < 1339111167 198415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: they do sometimes, but on different content from other videos < 1339111167 358151 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK but seriously why do the 5-second YouTube ads count as obnoxious? < 1339111170 522068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not as often. < 1339111180 513402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "blocked in your country" varies from country to country, obvioulsy < 1339111182 319137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obviously < 1339111201 641034 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... it seems like a decent compromise for me. < 1339111212 234383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i really cba to talk about it < 1339111237 952864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better way is don't use the YouTube, if you can host your own video file < 1339111245 189927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should block ads in more places, I think it's vaguely immoral to support an inviable economic model < 1339111247 32259 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :host it on gopher < 1339111253 227993 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what TV ads are you talking about, I'm desensitised to the because I'm too normal < 1339111257 370038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube-dl for winnitude. < 1339111272 338759 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shhhh, if they think it'll work don't dissuade them. < 1339111326 438573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The protocol is not relevant, it can be gopher, HTTP, FTP, or something else; I am just saying host it yourself and convert it yourself, to Theora or whatever < 1339111377 992772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: people don't really use Theora nowadays, WebM was open-sourced and open-patented and is better < 1339111401 688186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer Theora < 1339111408 768797 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that is how I watch my youtube videos nowadays. before I used mactubes < 1339111412 787559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could use WebM f you want, too < 1339111428 553421 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Theora is a video codec, not a container format < 1339111429 150624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339111446 21360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Yes I know. The container format would be Ogg < 1339111492 243503 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339111492 913603 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339111531 192998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also uses Theora < 1339111536 550153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's *any* advantage to using Theora over VP8. < 1339111618 145908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does VP8 support Ogg container? < 1339111646 638842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is more one of "does Ogg support VP8"... < 1339111666 288775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But, the Ogg container can contain any data, I suppose < 1339111706 701814 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339111815 51497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, any reason to prefer Ogg over MKV? < 1339111835 675590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I tried to invent Micro-Ogg which is like Ogg but the block headings are smaller and some features are removed < 1339111849 207727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from "holy mother of fuck MKV is complicated", that is. < 1339111862 983359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes that is the reason. < 1339111876 622102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's a feature that can go in a container format, MKV has it) < 1339111891 722357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The subset of MKV that WebM videos can have isn't that bad, though. < 1339111997 57868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Micro-Ogg < 1339112121 962369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on writing a video disc format, using headerless Theora to encode videos (PAL systems support Dirac as well as Theora), using the Micro-Ogg container for the video/audio data, and other simple headerless binary formats for some of the other data (such as track names and so on) < 1339112303 762706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want VP8, you should still use Ogg or Micro-Ogg < 1339112671 244511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339112882 428821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is not allowed to view TOPIC messages if not on that channel? < 1339112895 643722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret < 1339113302 257709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339113310 696463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bad luck for ais leaving just as i arrive :P < 1339113314 220765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and me too) < 1339113342 69539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops now you will have 13 kinds of bad luck < 1339113382 317232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad luck breeds more bad luck? < 1339113384 673052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad luck < 1339113953 421100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to calculate the Venus transit? < 1339114031 830086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a simple way using the data from Astrolog? (Astrolog will display distances too, as well as azimuth/altitude, ecliptic longitude/ecliptic latitude, and right ascension/declination) < 1339114223 760143 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339114483 218015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you calculate the time when earth and venus are the same angle around the sun (this is a periodic function) < 1339114516 375687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calculate when they are same distance from the ecliptic (a strange function ew) < 1339114530 516694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see when they coincide to within some small tolerance < 1339114544 978518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need the apparent diameter? < 1339114780 235490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to calculate the tolerance < 1339114792 17895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog will display the ecliptic coordinates of Sun and Venus < 1339114913 877461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the distance < 1339115000 606671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um a transit would be when venus is _on_ the ecliptic, no? < 1339115020 334698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also in the same place as the sun < 1339115031 641828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; but some tolerance is allowed due to apparent diameter < 1339115056 647058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this basically the same as for eclipses, just with venus and sun instead of moon and sun? < 1339115080 699990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is the same kind of thing as with a solar eclipse < 1339115096 456619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you already told iirc that you had found out how to find eclipses < 1339115108 635828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not necessarily on the ecliptic no. i don't think. < 1339115127 734933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well very close. the _sun_ is always there, after all. < 1339115152 596076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have, but even with eclipses I do not know how to calculate where it will be visible and what the tolerance will be, and whether it is total or partial < 1339115172 514710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well venus transits are never total < 1339115187 648140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1339115190 300987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ecliptic is the plane in which earth orbits? then yes it will be very close < 1339115209 106746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes < 1339115268 839242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway, ecliptic latitude ~ 0 and conjunction with sun, i should imagine < 1339115291 178253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know that much! < 1339115365 616458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't know is such things as the tolerance and visibility conditions < 1339115383 14015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall from wikipedia there's an approximate period of 243 years < 1339115484 858966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well if you have difference in latitude and in longitude between venus and sun, then pythagoras theorem should give a close approximation to the distance between the centers, i think < 1339115490 254962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+' < 1339115510 476364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these are spherical coordinates < 1339115573 241509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thus only an approximation < 1339115585 541756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339115641 927724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only good when they are actually close < 1339115772 142834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why are solar eclipses visible at different place on the Earth? I see maps of solar eclipse where they are visible < 1339115798 426605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know the Moon moves much faster than Venus < 1339115804 526538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the moon is much smaller than the sun, so its shadow can never cover all of earth < 1339115827 403370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you calculate where it is visible? < 1339115830 692442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm < 1339115835 19777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way as venus < 1339115871 103253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use the rotation of the earth, and the location of moon wrt ecliptic when it is in "full" position < 1339115873 880112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it has more to do with distance < 1339115883 326573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't it depend on apparent diameter, not true diameter? < 1339115890 708325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339115891 185717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1339115947 83930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect the locus of points where solar eclipse reaches totality to look about like a sine curve < 1339115956 893823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the apparent diameters were always equal, then the eclipse would always be total at exactly one spot, i think < 1339115964 986515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the axis of earth is tilted wrt eclipctic < 1339115981 915602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog does include the true diameters (given in units where 1 = diameter of Earth), but no apparent diameters < 1339115989 957490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless it misses earth entirely < 1339116004 856278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can confirm that I have no clue what kuskelar the clatsop man is doing < 1339116013 793447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 elliott: I can confirm that I have no clue what kuskelar the clatsop man is doing < 1339116014 457202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339116016 117926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just divide by distance < 1339116021 462261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes; the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn give the amount of the tilt (named because those are the ecliptic longitude of the Sun if the declination is at those tropics) < 1339116038 165748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they do sometimes move slightly < 1339116039 220886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it would not always be a point, since the apparent diameter is also a function of location from which you are viewing < 1339116086 911892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: So, you would move the center of measurement? < 1339116110 594750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, oerjan is right you just divide by distance to get apparent diameter < 1339116120 974885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that distance is a distance to a particular point on the earth < 1339116136 314212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that distance is changing < 1339116150 967160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :astronomical calculations are reliable and predictable < 1339116154 649493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't convenient < 1339116206 297738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually dividing by distance is not totally accurate, i think, since they are spheres not circles < 1339116225 370052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339116229 113975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so which circle on the surface forms the visible edge depends on distance < 1339116255 884939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339116261 235481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a problem for the sub < 1339116262 828746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun < 1339116269 565465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as close to perfect as you can get < 1339116300 146775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that is quite true < 1339116331 840873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? i guess black holes are more spherical...but the sun is p damn close < 1339116346 458219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's a problem _for_ spheres < 1339116354 68430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even perfect ones < 1339116356 333820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1339116376 107574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sphere looks like the same circle from all angles at a particular distance < 1339116391 651712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it depends on distance in a nonlinear way < 1339116400 882894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339116422 716667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess we are close enough to the moon that we cant consider the projection orthographic < 1339116449 779420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the apparent diameter is what counts for that, actually < 1339116466 679621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's approximately as distorted for the moon as for the sun < 1339116475 779187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1339116494 70729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they have approximately the same apparent diameter < 1339116765 183507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter has formulas - apparently the difference just amounts to using arcsin for spheres instead of arctan for disks < 1339116932 677495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that also has lists including the sun and venus < 1339116965 459545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it doesn't tell exactly how they vary < 1339117345 916207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339117976 339888 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339118120 745090 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-107.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339118279 964266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339118299 587469 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339119017 627828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1339120182 569254 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-69.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339120354 529551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-107.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339120940 758204 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339120950 358616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-69.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339121276 798173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 0.7 < 1339121278 231996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8366600265340756 < 1339121571 555694 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339121575 828070 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339121733 387797 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339121765 874444 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339122130 968286 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339123031 393947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339123837 436754 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is this channel full of people from .fi < 1339123846 427948 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just that y'all speak an esoteric language from birth < 1339123856 407904 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it appears i might go to .fi in august or something < 1339123858 216669 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do there < 1339123869 514952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what some monads are which are the codensity of something and/or the free monad of something? < 1339123876 105779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Learn their language < 1339123894 101517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Go to the sauna! < 1339123898 643955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's a popular activity. < 1339123919 124846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you ending up there? < 1339123938 428970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's 6 in .fi right now. < 1339124065 952345 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sauna would be cool < 1339124089 21290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Esoteric programming is "a thing" in Finland, I think. < 1339124093 410003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, more of a thing than it is elsewhere. < 1339124096 693751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the demoscene! Except not. < 1339124104 844333 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1339124108 938615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the esoscene" < 1339124114 833174 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense now < 1339124127 914095 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now i can ask why .fi is the world center of demoscene + esoteric programming < 1339124147 316904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because they have nothing else to do all fucking day in that frozen wasteland? < 1339124155 78580 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex, drinking < 1339125720 433544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can't drink ice < 1339125853 405972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh yeah < 1339125854 961402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had mosh questions < 1339125859 375521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you able to answer them < 1339125881 693098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you committing IRC sin #1 on purpose. :-( < 1339125888 606560 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339125898 816040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I *am* IRC sin #1. < 1339125899 803244 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, you can also try #mosh < 1339125910 161106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no way why would i talk to a whole channel of people when just one would do < 1339125915 618238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually a mosh question that's the great part < 1339125920 633584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a question about mosh's internals! < 1339125924 765616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is that if kmc can't answer your question, he'd feel bad. < 1339125926 555205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even *using* mosh right now! < 1339125931 501462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if he's too lazy to answer your question. < 1339125933 636823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That seems perfectly fine to me. < 1339125945 587750 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask < 1339125946 540888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course people should feel bad if they can't/won't answer my questions! < 1339125948 708192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. That's why we made it a Law of IRC. < 1339125953 73552 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :døød < 1339125960 789563 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tell me something cool to do in .fi < 1339125968 125956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1339125969 220104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first! < 1339125975 728204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's some nifty food to eat in .fi. < 1339125984 310726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So make sure you eat something while you're there. < 1339125988 355172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what are you doing in .fi? < 1339125989 316138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So, my understanding is that mosh roughly works by synchronising the big-block-of-cells that is the terminal display between server and client. < 1339126003 866450 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm doing what elliott tells me to, clearly! < 1339126022 945546 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Stair Dismount et al. are from Finland too < 1339126032 195379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But a terminal doesn't quite work like a big block of cells. For instance, there's a difference between the line "a " and "a"; there's a concept of a line ending that affects things like selecting text in a graphical terminal. < 1339126034 328507 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played a lot of Stair Dismount and Truck Dismount back in my day < 1339126036 447419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does mosh represent this? < 1339126057 172035 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sec, I will find for you the actual object which is synchronized < 1339126069 544627 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339126081 154755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is punishing my law violation by making me read C++. < 1339126086 888139 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1339126087 93482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In return I will give him awful things to do in Finland. < 1339126095 775160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he will be obligated to do them. < 1339126105 671817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit fizzie < 1339126106 833086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vizzie < 1339126110 136898 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the classes in src/terminal/terminalframebuffer.h are dedicated to this question < 1339126111 35569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: HEY WHERE IS THE LIST OF IRC SINS I CANNOT FIND THEM < 1339126119 707227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know if i have a complete set < 1339126131 758613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grand vizzier. < 1339126136 18519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should arrest people who make you source dive after asking questions. < 1339126138 187064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The list of IRC sins is infinite. < 1339126145 734714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1339126146 273911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(!)=div;f n=1:n:1:f(n+2);w@(x:y)%[a,b,c,d]|t<-a!c,c+d>1,t==b!d=t:w%[10*(a-c*t),10*(b-d*t),c,d]|0<1=y%[x*a+b,a,x*c+d,c]in(2:f 2)%[1,0,0,1]>>=show < 1339126149 87185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ported that program to bash! < 1339126152 176166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using UNIX streams. < 1339126157 173502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "just worked" < 1339126167 876084 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cell has a vector of unicode characters (because of combining chars), a width (a la wcwidth), a set of "renditions" i.e. color, bold, etc, and a flag saying whether it should wrap to the next line on select (if it's in the last column) < 1339126185 865780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm. So you store it as a linear array? < 1339126188 345450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than two-dimensional? < 1339126189 934788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So to speak.) < 1339126192 377840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : døød <-- deeath? oh dear. < 1339126193 57909 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a row is a vector of cells < 1339126195 972089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1339126197 694739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linearray. < 1339126200 305971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1339126206 991579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear A. < 1339126216 34556 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a framebuffer has a vector of rows, an icon name, a window name, and a count of the number of times the bell has ever been rung on the server < 1339126218 171946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense. Unfortunately, applying that to my design would reduce its utility... < 1339126222 700722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1339126223 780926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1339126232 75903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bell count? Why? < 1339126235 773132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh, is this for your roguelike? < 1339126242 958264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: MAYBE. < 1339126251 996840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET ME GUESS < 1339126255 245288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR ROGUELIKE IS CALLED < 1339126256 132146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1339126258 873284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: The list of IRC sins is infinite. <-- oh dear < 1339126259 741186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :( < 1339126261 876846 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the client needs to ring the bell if the server did < 1339126263 888838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "roguelike" right now. < 1339126284 128594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right now I just represent the screen as a two-dimensional grid of Chars. < 1339126284 602630 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the client gets a new frame, if the new bellcount is greater than the old one, it rings the bell once < 1339126287 108084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And synchronise that. < 1339126296 223001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's super-convenient to code with but messes up copying of textual stuff. < 1339126300 722958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether I care enough to fix it. < 1339126307 716013 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that if the remote programs spews a bunch of bells, the client bell will ring only at the framerate < 1339126314 35039 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably one of the most obscure mosh improvements over ssh < 1339126322 634794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an improvement? < 1339126327 994450 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously ;) < 1339126330 655903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add that to the website. < 1339126335 121071 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339126343 100685 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for too long, mankind has suffered under the tyranny of BEL" < 1339126344 23744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll convince all the HN users. < 1339126363 116388 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mosh: Suckless awesome terminal bell, done right. Reinvented, again." < 1339126386 435103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Apple < 1339126392 586340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terminal bell that celebrates craftmanship? < 1339126396 912799 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339126407 734109 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a terminal bell that celebrates bronzesmithing < 1339126423 300542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bellissimo < 1339126424 145058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does it mean that if something rings the bell a million times, I'll get one bell per keystroke for the foreseeable future? < 1339126434 105218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's the RHYTHM OF LIFE. < 1339126456 181701 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone even use bells < 1339126462 463094 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, the server pushing new terminal frames is independent of the client pushing input to the server < 1339126467 272420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339126471 736109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's something. < 1339126498 80190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so it'll just constant belling for the next hour? < 1339126501 35050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want constant belling :( < 1339126508 918671 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two instances of the (higher level parts of) SSP, one in each direction < 1339126513 410400 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not constant belling < 1339126520 964862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If one bell rings in the Tower of Bray / Ding dong, your true love will stay. / Ding, dong, one bell today / In the tower of Bray / Ding, Dong!" < 1339126532 936155 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server tries to get your terminal state up to the current state as quickly as possible < 1339126543 603874 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't care if it skips intermediate states < 1339126551 751895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean I'll ... miss out on bells? < 1339126557 479331 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll get one bell per frame transition, max < 1339126558 20892 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339126561 103735 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will miss out on bells :( < 1339126565 116153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIX MOSH < 1339126567 662080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. :-( < 1339126570 237255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not good! < 1339126581 161528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if I use a program to play music through the bell? < 1339126584 49790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll MANGLE it. < 1339126585 580543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal program has a little number that indicates how many bells have played since the last time it had focus. < 1339126595 364169 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an xterm escape code to set the frequency and duration of a bell < 1339126596 619115 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1339126598 880248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Who doesn't use bells? < 1339126607 284549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Who said you need those for music? < 1339126607 591104 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what program is that? < 1339126625 915570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf uses... uh, what's an embarrassing terminal emulator to use. < 1339126626 584855 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a program to play 4'33" in ANSI C < 1339126628 508489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Mac OS Terminal < 1339126628 834380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aterm. shachaf uses aterm. < 1339126632 1316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339126635 34271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more embarrassing. < 1339126636 835064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I outdid you! < 1339126637 159991 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: st < 1339126641 939920 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://st.suckless.org/ < 1339126642 99584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually use it that much. < 1339126643 630262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is st that bad? < 1339126649 545512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it was crappy at Unicode a while back. < 1339126651 238991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then got bette.r < 1339126653 296413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*better. < 1339126658 385462 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't have much information really < 1339126668 875072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use it when I happen to be using a Mac OS machine. < 1339126674 177944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THE POINT STANDS < 1339126685 64709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know: The OS X Terminal can't display dark grey? < 1339126687 669322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminal icon gets a little number that says how many notifications you've had. < 1339126695 84685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displays bold black as black. Even if you set "use bright fonts for bold" on. < 1339126711 1607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:38 elliott shachaf: Did you know: The OS X Terminal can't display dark grey? < 1339126721 697246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE JOKE IS THAT I DON'T SEE THE DARK-GREY ANGLE BRACKETS. < 1339126746 935264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I use uxterm in X11 to play roguelikes on OS X? < 1339126752 937855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Terminal.app can't display dark grey. < 1339126761 624779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN UNDISCOVERED FACT. < 1339126775 17686 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the Ubuntu version of gnome-terminal changes ANSI blue to Canonical aubergine? < 1339126795 934705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Real roguelikers play with color=off! < 1339126798 975365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know kmc, fix my code. :( < 1339126799 960934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like DeathOnAStick. < 1339126805 930529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor DOAS. < 1339126807 843394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's a Crawl player who doesn't use autoexplore! < 1339126812 735024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Me! < 1339126816 222552 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw his second ascension < 1339126822 96036 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he actually succeeded in getting all the gems < 1339126825 526789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: me 2 < 1339126826 399216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:40 undermind[1/2]: Wins at a ridiculous win percentage very slowly. Doesn't use autoexplore. < 1339126827 204399 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't get his giants to carry them < 1339126829 395168 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he gave up < 1339126830 1421 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339126832 90794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:40 undermind[2/2]: Nobody knows anything about undermind. < 1339126833 676407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Eh? < 1339126835 813114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, he completed it. < 1339126841 129293 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well he gave up on the gems < 1339126842 843715 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on ascending < 1339126844 372744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339126850 610116 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he took what he could carry < 1339126855 93037 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was a lot less than he had < 1339126858 970596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He/she tried again years later, ascending after 405 hours on August 16, 2010 with over 8,000 gems." < 1339126861 943105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't he use the bag-of-holding-in-bag-of-holding trick? < 1339126885 342204 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he had left at least that many on dlvl 1 < 1339126892 601760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1339126893 211314 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so where should i go in .fi < 1339126898 934680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Visit oklopol. < 1339126905 389152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"carry unlimited gems: the bag-of-holding-in-bag-of-holding trick" < 1339126933 420554 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so maybe Mosh won't handle your bell music very well, otoh it's much better than ssh at handling mplayer -vo caca < 1339126968 486957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. :( < 1339126981 769378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But seriously, visit oklopol. < 1339126990 322687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mosh, mo problems" < 1339126992 574122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339127003 179785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is oklopol? < 1339127008 559936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1339127009 576117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere. < 1339127011 540250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him. < 1339127012 828549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland's a big place. < 1339127013 380956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in... < 1339127014 947043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1339127017 839866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the name of the place. < 1339127020 173806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Espoo. < 1339127021 686887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... < 1339127023 104035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1339127024 978480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHere are you? < 1339127026 415913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Where < 1339127039 297872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland's population density is 16/km^2 < 1339127068 339765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. Eurgh. < 1339127077 922045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that lif esucks? < 1339127078 81180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course "the part of .fi that people actually live in" has a much higher density. < 1339127111 593525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what lif is though. < 1339127113 830047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what esucking is. < 1339127230 505615 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espoo is not far from helsinki < 1339127231 765473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: turku? < 1339127236 320862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1339127238 466662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turku. < 1339127244 732361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Go visit oklopol in Turku. < 1339127247 699980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to Turku! < 1339127249 292834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really optional < 1339127250 956444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*optional. < 1339127253 707929 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is it like? < 1339127256 275255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't go to Finland and not meet oklopol. < 1339127256 633082 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in turku < 1339127263 79928 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could visit turkey and turku! < 1339127286 631047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I went to Finland and not meet oklopol. < 1339127300 199228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You actually died. < 1339127304 868493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Will you visit oklopol? < 1339127307 730829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh :'(" < 1339127336 522037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc visited me once when he was in the US! < 1339127348 450742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previous statement is actually untrue. < 1339127354 433505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We met by accident. < 1339127364 76456 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym .us < 1339127366 583561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know the two of us trying to get oklopol visitors is karmic irony, right? < 1339127385 761334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: itym .com < 1339127394 779295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo karmic; irony < 1339127412 728386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Today kmc taught me that the US is the best country. < 1339127420 350267 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your business ISO-3103 compliant??? < 1339127500 965115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if data LeftCoT m f x = forall z. LeftCo (f (m z) -> x) (f z); is a comonad? Do you know if it is a comonad transformer? < 1339127505 663501 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for only 44 swiss francs you too can learn how to make an international standard cup of tea, with or without milk, in english or french! < 1339127514 21117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: browsing the ig nobel? < 1339127522 599419 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just browsing weird ISO standards < 1339127541 36590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I buy the `humble bundle'? < 1339127545 884499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course. < 1339127548 501753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you hear that kmc is moving to CA? < 1339127551 978937 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1339127560 838013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Buy me a `humble' `bundle'. < 1339127570 438950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: .ca or .ca.us? < 1339127577 187884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What lies? < 1339127588 983238 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumors of my moving to CA are greatly exaggerated < 1339127594 804907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked elliott if he heard them. < 1339127608 210685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good question < 1339127616 286272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CA. < 1339127618 174489 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could move to .cat < 1339127624 770456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know, the one with Ontario in it? < 1339127626 527315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.dog < 1339127646 396454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hask.cat < 1339127659 152696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, i've been there < 1339127671 171397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Been where? < 1339127678 512729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ontario < 1339127681 841591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontario, California? < 1339127687 926484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1339127706 817719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1339127725 972509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have suspected that, i guess. < 1339127729 641513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should add an extra '-' to your swatter. < 1339127730 550403 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyan.cat < 1339127737 500262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no; stop < 1339127756 759976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, 5+3 is the unchangeable standard < 1339127766 80251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan ------###
< 1339127769 947594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so technically it once was 4+3 < 1339127783 279877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan ----$$$
< 1339127790 168402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why did it grow from 4 to 5? < 1339127797 426137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone lost a - < 1339127816 755546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely possibly monqy < 1339127834 199032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was monqy even around back then < 1339127836 706473 :dashing-fellow!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339127839 484278 :dashing-fellow!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1339127844 41018 :dashing-fellow!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :dashingfellow < 1339127849 535145 :dashingfellow!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse :'(" < 1339127854 883686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dashingfellowcompletelynotshachaf < 1339127865 557526 :dashingfellow!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1339127886 860959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you lose a - < 1339127887 699882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you look at that! < 1339127939 893981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION picks up the -
< 1339127947 907313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###-
< 1339127949 271423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - - - - - - - - - < 1339127960 40373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops you did it backward < 1339128000 26418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339128023 59499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###-----------
< 1339128028 754058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1339128030 739085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im impale < 1339128069 913069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im impale le < 1339128078 159474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im impapale le < 1339128118 410786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :im impalindrome emordnilapmi mi < 1339128184 377874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs -----### < 1339128199 852959 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :──────### < 1339128213 778527 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12354 < 1339128218 272883 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :──────███ < 1339128234 108097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-. < 1339128238 199192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :----.---- < 1339128242 85175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you ever considered a being a roguelike game? < 1339128273 914419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was Slereah_ < 1339128295 402705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: paste.12354 < 1339128296 786549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, Slereah- < 1339128300 293194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDIENCE????? < 1339128301 665817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: hi < 1339128375 895975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ----#### < 1339128382 760786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs ----#### < 1339128386 335814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs ----#### < 1339128390 711686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ----#### < 1339128395 862445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1339128409 993031 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339128414 51797 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found < 1339128414 212229 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​----#### < 1339128420 414013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not quite clear from that day whether that _was_ Slereah_ < 1339128554 676279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I heard kmc will "probably" end up in CA. < 1339128566 367332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's going to teleport to a random location on the globe < 1339128571 225915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our hearts, minds, legs are with him < 1339128591 748774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you "get the humble bundle" ? ?? < 1339128592 51980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps idempotent applicative should be defined as follows: liftPair . fanout = fmap fanout since then it can be used with any fanout category. < 1339128598 873295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not `yet'. < 1339128601 689509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy it for me. < 1339128605 956052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Done. < 1339128610 427035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanx. < 1339128621 40852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the actual JOIN in raw.txt to confirm
< 1339128633 491013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: raw.txt? < 1339128636 890455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339128645 234058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were talking about some SQL database logs. :-( < 1339128666 883064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf loves databases. < 1339128670 302904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Y Combinator-funded ones. < 1339128686 769705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this definiiton of idempotent applicatives? < 1339128699 920981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is your definition of idempotent applicatives a database? < 1339128704 285225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I hear I love it. < 1339128740 269264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it is what I wrote above. < 1339128787 483732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2008-12-04-raw.txt < 1339128801 718339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I figured. < 1339128974 188771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a commutative applicative would be defined as liftPair . swap = fmap swap . liftPair < 1339130907 204139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1339131063 512071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of monad is (Codensity (Warbler (Kleisli IO)))? < 1339131284 18631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monadic one < 1339131319 760327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339131398 168726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that; (Codensity anything) is always a monad. But here it is also MonadPlus, it is like (Codensity Endo) but endomorphisms of a different category so what does it make? Is it like monad fold (like how foldlM and so on)? < 1339133737 966013 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339133955 830164 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is codensity < 1339133976 509241 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339133987 612989 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess it's just some haskell thing < 1339134031 53969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, Codensity is some Haskell thing < 1339134049 307769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont x = Codensity (Const x) is one < 1339134187 384149 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's Cont? < 1339134281 812029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Continuation monad < 1339134310 674652 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a hunch. no idea what that is. < 1339134333 722475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one would be [] = Codensity Endo < 1339134348 59104 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's Endo? < 1339134363 9057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endomorphisms of (->) category < 1339134410 315017 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1339134423 624344 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does Codensity do for that? < 1339134428 374072 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright folks :) < 1339134445 238710 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnnApolis: life is great < 1339134446 729209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do for what? < 1339134451 203584 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Endo < 1339134478 975301 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume "[] = Codensity Endo" means something < 1339134483 386494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall z. (x -> f z) -> f z); newtype Endo x = Endo (x -> x); < 1339134496 321216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: So, that means it is the same kind of monad < 1339134551 555925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that, return is a single element list, join is concatenation of the lists in the list, mzero is empty list, and mplus is concatenation of two lists together. < 1339134566 537426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might see that it is just the fold function for a list < 1339134589 757942 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might see that what is the fold function? < 1339134600 571545 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codensity? < 1339134648 918945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Fold function for a list [x] would be of type (forall z. (x -> z -> z) -> z -> z) < 1339134662 449290 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339134702 412507 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so the fold is of type Codensity < 1339134707 481525 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-the < 1339134713 559038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The endomorphisms for some object of some category forms a monoid, so you can use mzero and mplus < 1339134724 633373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just happens to be the correct monoid < 1339134755 415702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Of type (Codensity Endo) < 1339134764 974903 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339134846 69966 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You might see that it is just the fold function for a list" still sounds wrong, that's not the only function of type Codensity Endo for lists. < 1339134876 280328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in this case it is, though. < 1339134879 13841 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess all sensible functions of that type might be called fold < 1339134882 53568 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1339134914 5719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really, it is. And the monad is achieved entirely for free. < 1339134929 657363 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's more to Codensity than the type you gave? < 1339134966 564693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, there is also the Functor, Applicative, and Monad instances, which is available for (Codensity f) without needing anything from f. < 1339135025 896980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MonadPlus instance, however, requires class Plus f where { zero :: f x; plus :: f x -> f x -> f x; }; < 1339135050 264684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Endo, it is already Monoid so you can easily have: instance Plus Endo where { zero = mempty; plus = mappend; }; < 1339135064 660147 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess i'd have to understand what instances are < 1339135150 548319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do you mean in general or for Codensity? < 1339135161 8316 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably first in general < 1339135211 944714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, it means that certain operations are defined for a type, for example, Monoid class instances are for types that form a monoid. < 1339135223 411194 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1339135233 46844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it is. < 1339135264 300065 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could you explain where the connection between Codensity and list comes from? < 1339135334 575187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It is achieved *for free*. < 1339135365 732418 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i were to write a list type of my own, there would only be one function of type Codensity Endo and that would be its fold? < 1339135379 817027 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i stored the list in a database < 1339135401 291782 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339135411 278095 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make it a monad, is that all i need? < 1339135423 101815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually what I mean is, the type (Codensity Endo x) is isomorphic to [x] so (Codensity Endo x) can also be used as a list. < 1339135493 386154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know such things as if you wanted to make a list structure in something like Unlambda or Lazy K, you need to define all data structures by some kind of function? A list can be defined by a fold function, and it is the same thing here. < 1339135530 663436 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm alright < 1339135644 19779 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still feel like there's a function body somewhere that computes the fold. < 1339135650 803644 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it really comes free from the type < 1339135670 428965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes free from the Codensity monad < 1339135729 512106 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is more to it than the type < 1339135733 484135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition is: instance Monad (Codensity f) where { return x = Codensity (\k -> k x); m >>= k = Codensity (\c -> runCodensity m (\a -> runCodensity (k a) c)); }; < 1339135733 700271 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339135737 924367 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks < 1339135830 697229 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you please give an example of a value of type Codensity Endo Something? < 1339135849 430925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what was already there; I added the Alternative and MonadPlus instances myself which works as: instance Plus f => Alternative (Codensity f) where { empty = Codensity (const zero); Codensity x <|> Codensity y = Codensity (liftA2 plus x y); }; < 1339135868 629756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: return 5 <|> return 6 <|> return 7 is like the list [5,6,7] < 1339135888 456580 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the <|> operator we all know so well < 1339135907 334888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, should have figured i can just try “returnâ€�. :-) < 1339135911 746522 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't the fold function for lists of type x an example < 1339135945 491467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In [] in fact it is also the list [5,6,7] but with (Codensity Endo) it is the fold function for the list [5,6,7] so it is same things!!! < 1339135956 975348 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1339135989 331078 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun to understand some haskell < 1339135992 579043 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some day < 1339136034 401092 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pretty sure you can't understand it without a phd in mathematics < 1339136038 777126 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to try again in a few years < 1339136040 625833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to define join as a class method but unfortunately Haskell does not do like that < 1339136052 316132 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does some module implement an Alternative Endo instance? < 1339136068 347089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, it is possible to understand without a PhD in mathematics, but I suppose it helps. I do not have a PhD in mathematics, but I do like mathematics, and to me that is good enough. < 1339136073 340517 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god another crazy haskell understander < 1339136077 465584 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to leave < 1339136094 52292 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i hear phd's get all the chicks < 1339136095 629414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: To do so, it would have to be Applicative which isn't since Endo is not even Functor < 1339136100 283721 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < oklopol> oh god another crazy haskell understander < oklopol> i have to leave < 1339136102 924760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't care < 1339136103 619423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) < oklopol> oh god another crazy haskell understander < oklopol> i have to leave < 1339136114 827587 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`randomquote < 1339136116 593074 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don't you like girls? < 1339136117 591315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: randomquote: not found < 1339136122 802984 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1339136125 368615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339136129 318258 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1339136132 48709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quachaf \ quote \ quotes \ randomanonlog < 1339136137 637083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't like or dislike < 1339136142 10173 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quotes < 1339136144 856270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes < 1339136152 370649 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1339136154 378375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1339136157 803794 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you neutral them? < 1339136159 246946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Edward Kmett's Plus requires Functor but my Plus does not require Functor, so Endo can be an instance of my Plus. < 1339136184 78205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Neutral in terms of like/dislike, I suppose it would be so. < 1339136184 908666 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, return 5 <|> return 6 <|> return 7 :: Codensity Endo Integer doesn’t compile here because there’s no instance for Alternative Endo. < 1339136197 568322 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339136200 520208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666) elliott, cars aren't perfectly spherical. < 1339136201 745389 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339136202 518793 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339136205 194012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :733) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1339136211 301761 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's bury them in quotes mwahahaha < 1339136215 899930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That is true; but if the instances are defined in my way instead then it will compile and even work < 1339136216 787717 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :369) hey fhet's zeees OouooH SNEP IT'S A FOooCKING TIGER < 1339136254 803685 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah, i thought we were talking about the “standardâ€� Codensity and Endo. < 1339136268 17139 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is the standard. < 1339136278 452641 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, that’s why i put it in quotes. :-P < 1339136287 968611 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339136297 126972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It is the standard types but the instances for Alternative Codensity are different. < 1339136304 143238 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is your age? < 1339136308 641898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Plus class also differs. < 1339136310 634392 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 < 1339136315 368626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I do not want to say. < 1339136337 343127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Not all the time! < 1339136341 902201 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna make a wild guess: 24 < 1339136370 220957 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1339136440 655648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wild guess? You have no educated guess? < 1339136545 379000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: There is no really standard Codensity but the Endo is the standard one yes < 1339136600 782162 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339136893 887737 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, i have no educated guess < 1339136934 916592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339136948 977333 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't pull that out of my ass but you can be a bit hard to read. < 1339136981 863881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I write messy? < 1339137001 385764 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i mean by hard to read < 1339137062 870031 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just what we psychics say when a client doesn't fit one of the usual patterns. < 1339137111 250966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what it means. In that case I suppose you are correct about that < 1339137226 470164 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on a different note, yes, you do write kinda messy :D < 1339137385 262247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think I write messy? < 1339137413 477328 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, you have this whole thing going on. i don't know if messy is the right word. < 1339137437 566737 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep getting this "women in mathematics" thing in my inbox < 1339137446 861300 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a Real Men in Mathematics conference < 1339137492 470146 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where people stroke each others' beards and implement braid groups in them < 1339137517 524521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My writing seems to me to be neater than other people's writing, although the words are different < 1339137561 838021 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i find that interesting. < 1339137565 109821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Perhaps there isn't, because nobody has made it up yet. < 1339137579 83369 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should do it < 1339137612 803793 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just need a beard that turns invisible when i tell it to < 1339137686 186733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic beard? < 1339137688 929245 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339137727 404969 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i have to shave it now and then < 1339137749 968444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a fake beard if you do not want to shave; you can add it and remove it when you want to. < 1339137750 913285 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-209-31.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339137760 671270 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339137764 604007 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work < 1339137775 153389 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 823 < 1339137777 948221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :823) `delquote 848 < 1339137778 107955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if people pull it, it might fall off < 1339137781 876098 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 823 < 1339137786 393134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 848 < 1339137797 621687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 847 < 1339137800 589712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339137813 262512 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 785 < 1339137815 123580 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know what you mean, i too wonder whether i'd pull the beard off. < 1339137816 223984 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* s'f'slg;sd'sdfjhklf;sdklfjdfklgj < 1339138047 928235 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.3670v2.pdf i wonder if P != NP has been proved more times than this? < 1339138328 660867 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339138341 97965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as Codensity monad, there is also Density comonad < 1339138621 914738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is better, liberty or order? < 1339138641 265385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though you may have both) < 1339138763 516587 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339138901 435804 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://manyhills.webs.com/bitten.html < 1339138921 75479 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume i have duplicated something that already exists < 1339139036 465374 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where unbounded memory comes from < 1339139069 933319 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-209-31.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339139181 90364 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when a mummy unbounded memory and a daddy unbounded memory love each other very much < 1339139673 234728 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show a program that fills the memory with 1's? < 1339139777 616941 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone formalized the wire-crossing problem? < 1339139781 961482 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I just thought of a formalization of it < 1339139786 527614 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1339139891 846326 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an idea that might lead to one, anyways < 1339140009 294821 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :work by bisecting the state into a "graph-like" portion and a non-"graph-like" portion, where the "graph-like" portion is the varying details of a programming language. < 1339140025 370288 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of effectively turning a finite set of bf programs into a program that wins them all in BFJoust < 1339140070 58258 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could publish that (TM) < 1339140077 558416 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if L is a language of automata of some kind, such as Turing machines, then you try to split it into the notion of a program and its input < 1339140096 310659 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TM is short for turing machine) < 1339140106 153168 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program can be made abstratly into a transition graph < 1339140117 4820 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. "this line will lead to this line or that line") < 1339140126 586608 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "this cell will lead to one of these four cells" in Befunge < 1339140184 188911 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds impossible to formalize < 1339140200 308165 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you define automata somehow < 1339140201 113644 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you can characterize it uniquely for all automata < 1339140257 829119 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a TM, for instance, could have its program graph defined to be the set of transitions, with edges existing from one transition to another if they can follow each other. < 1339140269 821137 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that might be sufficient < 1339140279 3519 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... no it's not < 1339140292 612108 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's no obvious unique characterization < 1339140318 212981 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can usually associate a transition graph to any kind of computation, yes < 1339140335 154548 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it has that much to do with the wire-crossing problem < 1339140335 947437 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a state graph though < 1339140382 718531 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think this matters < 1339140390 459487 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could be sleep-deprivede < 1339140393 566064 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1339140470 411636 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1339141223 54503 :AnnApolis!~chatzilla@global-2-4.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120601201853] < 1339141614 557194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a kind of infinity that is used like a algebraic variable representing a nonzero real number but when it is compared is greater than any real number? < 1339141806 804388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: NO CARRIER < 1339141953 265083 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but you automatically get quite a lot of infinite numbers if you further assume the axioms of reals except for Dedekind completeness < 1339141958 895911 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're not here anymore < 1339141993 831289 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a recent nice survey on arxiv on ordered fields recently, but i lost it and haven't been able to find it :( < 1339142276 586597 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D289.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339143352 148042 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whii i didn't imagine it, http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.4483v1.pdf < 1339143367 72846 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a survey on ordered fields, instead what they say in there < 1339143383 782033 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only had to look through a few thousand articles on my mailing list :D < 1339143593 275056 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whii is the finnish version of whee which is simultanously pronounced "why i", as the deep national depression oozes into the briefest moment of happiness) < 1339144166 3230 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339144396 682318 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339144750 881045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339144751 222582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339144751 381851 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339144928 875974 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339145873 142468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339145875 689835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339145969 119418 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1339146021 973493 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :short for hi for situations when you are mostly saying hi to yourself. < 1339146176 904511 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a bit of hi for you too < 1339146183 821050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339146667 635545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think this style of programming will ever be popular < 1339147028 397058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :predXXIV = s (s (k s) (s (k (s (k s))) (s (s (k s) (s (k (s (k s))) (s (k (s (k k))) (s (s (k s) k) (k (s (k (s (k (s i)))) (s (k (s (k k))) (s (k (s i)) k)))))))) (k (k k))))) (k (k (k i))) < 1339147295 640307 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339147299 236717 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339147299 499710 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone hear me? < 1339147301 55668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339147308 693893 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339147365 93412 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah people just don't understand that if they simply bothered to learn programming with s and k, they would see that it's so much more expressive functional programming. in that you need to express so much more. < 1339147415 266385 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. can someone explain why I have two nicks here after I use /reconnect? < 1339147428 270562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to have access to B, C, W, an I < 1339147439 961164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, because you've accidentally cloned yourself? < 1339147487 931133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B x y z = x (y z); C x y z = x z y; W x y = x y y; I x = x < 1339147491 588159 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339147526 613663 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339147551 269736 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1339147556 89592 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1339148179 124525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Sgeo < 1339148182 725545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30909 < 1339148293 79048 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339148473 875691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339148492 108494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics >>(+)*50<(-)*50(>)*7(> (+)*4 ([-{ [(-)*15 [+]] }[-]])%8 )*21 < 1339148498 856130 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339148501 455022 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 22.7 < 1339148519 959551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics < < 1339148522 741733 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 0.0 < 1339148603 202863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics >>(+)*50<(-)*50(>)*7(> (+)*4 ([-{ [(-)*50 [+]] }[-]])%8 )*21 < 1339148606 3573 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 20.4 < 1339148610 699258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics < < 1339148613 667781 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 0.0 < 1339148632 703171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentlythe simple stuff is only enough to get you 38th place these days < 1339148661 44398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics >>(+)*50<(-)*50(>)*7(> (+)*4 ([-{ [(-)*15 [+]] }[-]])%8 [+])*21 < 1339148663 938138 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 22.8 < 1339148670 779260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339148673 268639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thebasics < < 1339148676 234872 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_thebasics: 0.0 < 1339148708 485645 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339149440 472625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339149516 490846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339149589 159370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339149594 350961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah! < 1339149639 620178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1339149757 805470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/LawlabeeTheWallaby/posts/3457120980849 The latest in my Beijing epic. < 1339149784 140734 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve a peking duck? < 1339149813 498307 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't found the opportunity to eat Peking Duck without being ripped off, but I will; I have a week. < 1339150409 415782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I should go to Qin's Tasty and Spicy Crabs? < 1339150424 224827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA best/worst Engrish name for a restaurant in history? < 1339150425 39101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not likely to get duck there < 1339150431 530170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need duck today. < 1339150439 943014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qin could actually serve tasty and spicy crabs < 1339150459 658097 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a crab restaurant. < 1339150464 519606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1339150471 94461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it, if you like crab < 1339150474 30311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the context for something I saidn in here last year < 1339150478 779739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at logs does not help. < 1339150572 555699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah your experiences of being gawked at are not that unusual i think. i think you might find the drunk cosmopolitan set gawks less. go see a nightclub. < 1339150585 951597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to dance of corse. who would do that < 1339151417 38807 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339151468 504167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a spent-quite-a-bit-of-time-in-China friend who has mentioned the gawking, too. < 1339151597 55139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you are in china, nice. Business trip or holidays? < 1339151672 91920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A conference was mentioned, I thing. (It's fallen out of my /lastlog already, sadly.) < 1339151677 126828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339151682 372978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339151682 777021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thing indeed. < 1339151688 706236 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to taipei in a few months, i expect to die of being murderously killed there. < 1339151721 751930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may die of death. < 1339151726 181396 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may. < 1339151762 422330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to Belgium and I expect to survive. < 1339151777 22135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course you never know, about Belgium. < 1339151793 245748 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to novgorod in about a month and expect to die there. of being murderously killed. < 1339151806 561565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to Durham next month. < 1339151815 795429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Will you die? < 1339151821 318630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect to be brutally murdered by a convict prince-bishop < 1339151823 612856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then die < 1339151823 870524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to work next month < 1339151825 792106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all month < 1339151830 372640 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 minutes from home < 1339151837 655019 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in three months i'm going to corsica, and expect to die of sun poisoning and of being murderously killed. < 1339151845 677992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect to die of boredom < 1339151925 497418 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :conference trips are basically double the work, infinitle the plane trips that hurt my ears. as they say in english. < 1339151999 587666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may get a free dinner. < 1339152041 211965 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's conferences in slovakia and uk but my coauthor does those. i prefer the murderous ones because he has a fetish for not being murderously killed. < 1339152054 397179 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/prefer/go to/ < 1339152093 258839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of the UK? < 1339152097 38501 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxford < 1339152108 511980 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1339152108 693201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S/he'll get murderously killed < 1339152109 860911 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathcomp.leeds.ac.uk/turing2012/WScie12/ < 1339152112 394665 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cambridge apparently < 1339152117 768703 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1339152119 72399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even worse < 1339152173 614444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What about... Sheffield? I think my "boss" was planning a visit there. < 1339152181 455020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheffield's cool < 1339152186 978895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got trams and everything < 1339152189 219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like trams < 1339152192 485856 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you mean your wife ehehe < 1339152194 501745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're like trains, but on roads! < 1339152197 63675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339152203 893619 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trams are cool < 1339152210 128984 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trams are scary < 1339152219 582951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also got steelworks < 1339152235 826451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And someone who was in my IT class two years ago until she moved to Sheffield < 1339152235 985846 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because a tram can use a dedicated tunnel downtown more easily than a bus can < 1339152253 633655 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your trams run /only/ on the street, it probably makes sense to replace them with buses < 1339152259 414736 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can still power the buses from overhead wires) < 1339152277 811479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where the Full Monty is set < 1339152284 911176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever seen the Full Monty? < 1339152291 537702 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the tradeoff there (at least in the USA) is that the transit agency pays for rail upkeep, but the roads agency pays for road upkeep including the rail from buses < 1339152302 367641 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the roads agency has way more money always < 1339152310 620730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about some out-of-work steel workers who do a strip tease < 1339152334 509650 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er "including the wear from buses" yay for being awake far too late < 1339152340 631277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beamish and Melbourne have trams < 1339152425 659237 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in boston there is a slightly ridiculous thing which runs as a diesel powered bus on the road, and then goes into a dedicated tunnel and runs off overhead wires < 1339152433 632492 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that tunnel is much bigger than it would need to be for rail vehicles < 1339152435 540680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki has trams, though I don't recall any dedicated tunnels. (It's not a very dense place anyway.) < 1339152439 39262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a new model of tram just about to be introduced, there's a prototype for people to go look at/sit in somewhere. < 1339152487 613929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, last week or so there was this mini-conference thing, and they had booked one of the museum trams as transportation from the lecture place to the dinner place. < 1339152529 885022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got some 1930s tram carriages they rent for events. < 1339152566 718788 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1339152573 40338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think in summer they have some that do a daily or weekly thing. < 1339152583 942286 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york city has a subway museum which is full of vintage cars < 1339152590 419296 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the museum itself is a decommissioned subway station < 1339152613 702155 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki tram is metre gauge o_O < 1339152621 54196 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. sain pc98 touhout pyörimään < 1339152629 770430 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1339152642 83609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, anyway. < 1339152722 380034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they have that one tram in which they serve alcoholic beverages, the "PUB" line. < 1339152728 892092 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1339152878 993500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A5rakoff -- hey, it's notable. < 1339152883 944307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny. < 1339153026 398292 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D289.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339153780 369370 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339154370 395300 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339155165 852263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program this morning and already someone wants to put it on Uncyclopedia < 1339155556 14437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncyclopedia? < 1339155700 511249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah you're everywhere < 1339155901 646391 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :' I wrote a program this morning and already someone wants to put it on Uncyclopedia' < 1339155902 250830 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell < 1339155911 611447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69700 < 1339155941 288550 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorial calculator < 1339155948 311952 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks awful < 1339155952 868768 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for a contest < 1339155961 289855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, this is for fun < 1339155968 156495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the possible inspiration for a contest < 1339155993 451720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost all computation is done by (<*>), pure, and unsafeCoerce < 1339158998 379738 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339159454 93120 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339159604 969759 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339160069 847127 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339160536 854758 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033144.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339160822 358821 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339162333 222273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339162409 378674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Do you also reverse > and < in the palindromes? < 1339163480 617940 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1339163487 933565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1339163496 71152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should use a word that isn't "reverse" :) < 1339163506 961301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know an exact english word for this? < 1339163509 780329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirroring? < 1339163529 866797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mirror" sounds reasonable to me. I don't think it really matters what you call it, but I'd define it on the page, since it's quite ambiguous. < 1339163536 198354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339163543 157051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339163543 317298 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339163549 128580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: BTW, you don't need a full "equivalency" in terms of the final tape to prove TCness by translation of brainfuck. < 1339163555 717736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCness only cares about whether the program halts or not. < 1339163615 269652 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339163674 573898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339163675 579762 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339163679 953638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone write a blurb for Sortle and i'll feature it :P < 1339163683 737563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N days late...) < 1339163822 463043 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339163919 635075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://esolangs.org/wiki/BFFB <- is that less confusing?) < 1339163972 314499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. But as of my understanding his method does not produce a program that does the same thing. < 1339163999 575916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Well, you gotta define "same thing" :) < 1339164005 747637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it halt iff the BF program halts? Then it's sufficient for TCness. < 1339164009 553601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that's less confusing. < 1339164012 866091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It translates the program to a valid prorgam which does something else. < 1339164029 879995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "does something else". < 1339164037 130178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It halts in a different state < 1339164048 6725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that matter? < 1339164059 251974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider P and R only to be equivalent if P halts in the same state as R < 1339164064 386333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Somehow. < 1339164069 776606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF does not need I/O to be TC, right? < 1339164091 487009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1339164097 238230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm trying to say is that the halting state is irrelevant. < 1339164101 581335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely. < 1339164106 783432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I calculate the number 3 with +++- < 1339164114 39172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1339164114 900517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2 < 1339164115 272527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To prove TCness, all you need to prove is that you can translate a Turing machine blah blah into a program that halts iff the Turing machine does. < 1339164116 255088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. < 1339164141 697929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That proves TCness. < 1339164146 586277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339164155 460510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does not prove, that every BF program has an equivalent bfb program. < 1339164163 637227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1339164163 839898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of "halting in the same state" < 1339164174 363018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems a weird thing to wonder about :) < 1339164183 592364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339164199 389943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I execute +++- I calculated 2 in memory. < 1339164202 830105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thats my halting state < 1339164220 806188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it not be better to consider IO instead? < 1339164245 37140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you only consider "producing same i/o output" then his method works, yes. < 1339164293 587853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i = 0; puts("hi!"); < 1339164297 36227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = 5; < 1339164297 926711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1339164302 403779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i = 0; puts("hi!"); < 1339164303 902522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = 6; < 1339164314 156427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't consider those programs "equivalent". < 1339164341 387728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you're in the minority there. < 1339164356 739997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, hm would you consider an optimiser for BF that changes one for the other to be incorrect then as well? < 1339164371 49918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If the resulting halting state is different, yes. < 1339164386 253375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A definition of "equivalent" depending on internal state -- even basically dead code -- like that is doomed to be more or less useless, IMO. < 1339164386 719654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*final < 1339164387 586550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339164394 265191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite < 1339164412 962322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you strip bf from its i/o < 1339164419 113214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would matter < 1339164434 438340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1339164442 433032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1339164449 451730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think that bf programs are required to do i/o < 1339164450 924113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd just leave a language which only either halts or not halts. < 1339164457 302312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you are just interested in if it halts < 1339164462 952235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no requirement at all to define BF in terms of exposing its final state. < 1339164472 364733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape can be part of the black box. < 1339164554 970594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1339164557 162596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, did I ask you how much you paid for the bundle? < 1339164596 947075 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339164597 560519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People usually say that my definition of equivalence is broken ;) < 1339164619 116308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g i consider [0..Infinity] and [0..Infinity] to be equal :) < 1339164680 762259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for reference, future me paid at least $10 < 1339164713 840580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X and X are equal? Shocking. < 1339164855 880014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of computable truths is not equal to the set of provable truths < 1339164873 972226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if that sentence means anything < 1339164883 222456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is correct < 1339164913 493332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339164921 565676 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1339164937 458967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"get that thing away from me" < 1339165040 364109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339165050 147927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider x = x yes. < 1339165060 941862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people don't consider _|_ = _|_ < 1339165215 319736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. They do. < 1339165220 371407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And [0..] isn't _|_, anyway. < 1339165268 824826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough NaN != NaN. That's IEEE floating point for you... < 1339165277 225975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other words floating point sucks) < 1339165279 121687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 / 0 < 1339165286 703076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDABOT < 1339165291 945281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here < 1339165299 691035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is fungot!? < 1339165301 317999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, !!!! < 1339165304 571498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in #haskell, either < 1339165328 825164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not worth four !s. < 1339165336 452331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat "main = print (0 / 0 == 0 / 0)" | runhaskell < 1339165338 858488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: "main = print (0 / 0 == 0 / 0)" | runhaskell: No such file or directory < 1339165346 474603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "main = print (0 / 0 == 0 / 0)" | runhaskell < 1339165349 336578 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"main = print (0 / 0 == 0 / 0)" | runhaskell < 1339165350 992380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't think fungot is worth four !? < 1339165363 939003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually quat together < 1339165366 612104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The guys in #ghc disagreed. < 1339165369 697296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52 lambdabot has left IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) < 1339165369 857007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52 fungot has left IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) < 1339165372 301108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystrious < 1339165388 39541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: perhaps they meant that x == y does not necessarily evaluate to True when x and y are both _|_. < 1339165391 596206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1339165396 669797 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot <3 fungot < 1339165400 691099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a denotational semantics point of view, _|_ and _|_ are unquestionably equal. < 1339165412 453265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are almost certainly incompetent people in #ghc < 1339165417 441994 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339165418 557001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably less than in #haskell < 1339165421 272190 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1339165422 177624 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: trillian is a very silly film) :) y z i think it depends < 1339165434 463638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think that may be a virtue of population < 1339165440 431936 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1339165440 818237 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1339165446 925977 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1339165447 472723 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1339165452 886866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have at ye! < 1339165454 157991 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fitz. if that goe forward, we will cover it. take no offence that i would bestow vpon your worship, to correct yourself, for the thing it was. < 1339165454 318024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, and I paid $15. Felt like I should go a bit above the Linux-user average. < 1339165472 205298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You leave me with no choice but to pay $15.01. < 1339165474 870321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How much did you pay. < 1339165496 117617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : mroman: perhaps they meant that x == y does not necessarily evaluate to True when x and y are both _|_. <-- hm, why is that? < 1339165499 172124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I may have asked stuff like "why reverse [1..] == reverse [1..]" does not compute in human time although they are obviously equal < 1339165526 328553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: That's a very, very different question. < 1339165528 817484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, because the optimiser isn't smart enough for that? < 1339165533 743512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f(x) == f(x) no matter if f terminates or not. < 1339165535 696399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: And as I've said: [1..] *is not _|_* < 1339165539 317496 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I payed £10 because I don't obsessively optimise like you. < 1339165556 185959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not a single _|_ in the graph of values that comprises [1..], in fact. < 1339165560 264350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But reverse [1..] is _|_.) < 1339165570 876022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then why is f(x) == f(x) not always true? < 1339165573 455494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you paid more than fizzie! < 1339165588 459692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, (reverse [1..] == reverse [1..]) is _|_ because that's how (==) is defined for lists. You are confusing (==) (a function in Haskell) with = (the concept of mathematical equality). < 1339165606 944456 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well I paid $15, which is ~£10. < 1339165607 545525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, having reverse [1..] == reverse [1..] would break referential transparency. < 1339165612 777791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1339165616 889490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea was to reduce everything as much as possible < 1339165620 934761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the good old days when $15 was £7.50. < 1339165621 809216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :£10 ~= $15.43 < 1339165624 788633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider: reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach'sConjecture < 1339165626 849210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then compare expressions and optimize everything away < 1339165629 641291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming Goldbach's conjecture is false. < 1339165640 14191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, since haltIffGoldbach'sConjecture = _|_ and reverse [1..] = _|_, this must be true. < 1339165643 446135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming Goldbach's conjecture is true, < 1339165654 93104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, since haltIffGoldbach'sConjecture is [] (or something) and reverse [1..] = _|_, this must be false. < 1339165680 268011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Haskell cannot have reverse [1..] == reverse [1..] evaluate to True without destroying referential transparency. < 1339165691 924953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell is lambdabot. < 1339165697 556003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the part I never got. < 1339165706 586349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can substitute reverse [1..] with x < 1339165709 961156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x == x should be true. < 1339165711 591066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referential transparency means you must be able to replace an expression with its value. < 1339165720 225561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If reverse [1..] is _|_, and an expression containing reverse [1..] evaluates to something, < 1339165726 498457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dressed as a clown with no money, tied to a train on its way to Vladivostok < 1339165727 265827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /must/ evaluate to that same thing whenever you substitute anything else that is _|_. < 1339165732 299491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how do you know you can substitute both sides with the same thing? < 1339165744 279123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: referential transpare... < 1339165744 894935 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obvious from textual analysis in this case, but not in general. < 1339165758 1002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same function, same input => same output, always < 1339165766 34095 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake. < 1339165770 513099 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, (==) can't know that < 1339165771 637163 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know they're the same function? < 1339165776 987578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The point is that you *cannot* add this one special case, however "obvious" it is, because you give yourself the obligation to make it work the same way even when it is NOT so trivial. < 1339165789 335169 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: you can't, it's isomorphic to the halting problem.) < 1339165848 536975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That that is computably true is not all that that is provably true is not all that that is true < 1339165851 171033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.) textual analysis 2.) optimization 3.) dovetailing < 1339165854 567116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: If you don't do that, you break referential transparency, and hence all equational reasoning. < 1339165859 595414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple as that. < 1339165880 977157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how clever you do it, you must choose between breaking RT and equational reasoning, or computing the impossible in all cases. < 1339165905 783328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a side note: IIRC Fortran allows optimisation based on textual equivalence. Which is rather stupid in a non-pure language. < 1339165926 430995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Perhaps you are thinking of True as an "optimisation" of _|_. < 1339165939 310711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is OK if between two equivalent expressions, one returns True and one returns _|_. < 1339165945 834736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not true; it violates RT all the same. < 1339165999 538529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two equivalent expressions yield the same result. < 1339166000 152355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.) textual analysis 2.) optimization 3.) dovetailing < 1339166018 148648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise this is basically impossible to do programatically for non-trivial cases? < 1339166037 905720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's extremely hard for humans, as well. < 1339166040 837049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly is in complex languages like haskell. < 1339166055 596085 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're basically asking that a useless special case be added to (==). < 1339166060 195749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339166069 955547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just that ;) < 1339166081 181374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1339166087 140257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :last [1..] * 0 also does not halt < 1339166113 226279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans don't even try to evaluate last [1..] < 1339166170 890521 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching isn't dovetailed. < 1339166207 182838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an usually useless special case to * instead. And if you want to catch all cases, then you need to check at runtime if one of the arguments evaluated to 0. Which won't work since one of them could take forever to evaluate < 1339166227 663411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does not matter if one takes forever < 1339166235 91967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339166239 581049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 halts in no time < 1339166243 585212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it know which one to evaluate first < 1339166250 810236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, which do you try first, and when do you stop trying? < 1339166251 191277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does so in parallel < 1339166262 930579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By the way, your argument is irrelevant. < 1339166275 173567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specific special-case could be added to the compiler easily. < 1339166286 178920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What matters is that it would BREAK REFERENTIAL TRANSPARENCY. < 1339166311 345249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, so you want to force it to start two threads at each multiplication...? < 1339166325 24814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? < 1339166334 465578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You can do that (the last [1..] * 0 thing) with the lub package and that can work fine. < 1339166337 192385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I already told you why. < 1339166353 551448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:27 < elliott> Consider: reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach'sConjecture < 1339166366 356609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- you can't say anything about that. < 1339166369 989249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If reverse [1..] == reverse [1..] evaluates to True, then reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach must evaluate to True iff Goldbach's conjecture is false. < 1339166371 181432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to dovetail both of them. < 1339166379 239632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can very well say something about that. < 1339166381 797092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RT allows me to. < 1339166448 472920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must reverse [1..] == haltIff... evaluate to true? < 1339166467 541246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, listen. < 1339166471 468185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referential transparency tells us we can substitute any two expressions with identical values. < 1339166482 445211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, assuming the excluded middle, I will consider two cases: < 1339166488 150973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, assume Goldbach's conjecture is true. < 1339166500 180553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, haltIffGoldbach evaluates to []. < 1339166516 771950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach must be either False or _|_. < 1339166524 345316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, no contradiction. < 1339166528 298869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, assume Goldbach's conjecture is false. < 1339166535 31284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, haltIffGoldbach evaluates to _|_. < 1339166542 606291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, we know that reverse [1..] evaluates to _|_. < 1339166551 365442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the statement "reverse [1..] == reverse [1..] evaluates to True". < 1339166584 824376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By referential transparency, we can substitute "haltIffGoldbach" for "reverse [1..]" in this statement: (being able to do this is a STRICT requirement for referential transparency and equational reasoning) < 1339166595 237045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resulting in "reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach evaluates to True". < 1339166615 877285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popping off any assumption about Goldbach's conjecture, we can see that Haskell is required to decide whether Goldbach's conjecture is true. < 1339166629 192979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, I'm learning everything in the wrong order. < 1339166641 257178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if reverse [1..] == reverse [1..] evaluates to True, reverse [1..] == haltIffGoldbach MUST evaluate to True if Goldbach's conjecture is true, or False or _|_ if it is false. < 1339166642 396681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST. < 1339166647 812133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, out of interest, is it possible to implement haltIffGoldbach'sConjecture? I can see how to implement the opposite (you just have to write a function that goes on until it finds a counter example). < 1339166648 153055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, you either must: < 1339166657 863427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why you can replace reverse [1..] with iffHalt.. < 1339166661 624239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- break referential transparency and all equational reasoning; or < 1339166662 918068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know what reverse [1..] is. < 1339166665 498377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- not add your special case. < 1339166666 686455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes I do. < 1339166668 198244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's _|_. < 1339166676 372663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want me to prove reverse [1..] is _|_? That seems a little trivial. < 1339166682 448671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know that? < 1339166686 252452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical proof? < 1339166693 351647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand denotational semantics or equational reasoning at all, frankly. < 1339166695 193097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go again... < 1339166700 653930 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, do you even know what reverse does < 1339166702 647876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, possibly, referential transparency. < 1339166707 812943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sort of done with this argument. < 1339166720 468963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right, you have to negate it. < 1339166724 970362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Same argument applies, of course. < 1339166725 642360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's probably some fold with flip and : < 1339166730 853240 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you see my obfuscated haskell that doesn't do what the one yesterday does? < 1339166731 728807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, obviously < 1339166744 245236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It doesn't segfault? Gosh. < 1339166762 115040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69700 < 1339166766 121275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Obviously I don't understand any of them. < 1339166772 811179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a computer scientist at all. < 1339166773 10432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, OK look can you actually tell me any element of reverse [1...]? < 1339166783 894769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1.../1../ < 1339166784 54540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 9 < 1339166789 105569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm not trying to be insulting, but your position truly is untenable. < 1339166792 711026 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. What index is it at? < 1339166800 693561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have the dubious honour of having my code quoted on Uncyclopedia < 1339166807 284074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 8 probably < 1339166809 96522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ouch < 1339166810 542086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless off-by-one < 1339166812 211447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339166812 383617 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339166818 680698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, uh, in the reversed one... < 1339166821 541620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339166825 600049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's uncomputable < 1339166835 59516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. _|_ < 1339166839 515126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that is why reverse [1..] is _|_ < 1339166853 179592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It really is mathematically incoherent and you can try to defend it as a matter of "opinion" but in reality there is some deeper misunderstanding you have (I don't know what) that will hold you back as you try to learn about denotational semantics and equational reasoning and all of that. < 1339166863 279178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, I don't consider _|_ as a value. < 1339166863 549728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your choice if you want to keep it that way. < 1339166883 44122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It is. Have you learned denotational semantics yet? < 1339166894 235435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse [1..] is a function that at some point in time will or will not return anything. < 1339166902 369001 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm wait isn't there a difference on some level between _|_ and Constructor _|_. < 1339166915 206035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could come up with a semantics where _|_ is not a value.It would not be denotational and it would probably be a lot less useful, but it's disingenuous (i.e. blatantly wrong) to argue that _|_ is not a value in denotational semantics. < 1339166918 244745 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what has time got to do with it...? < 1339166918 404389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it will trivially never halt. < 1339166920 306450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1339166941 338105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length [_|_] == 1; length _|_ == _|_, right? < 1339166943 595506 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So isn't reverse [1..] [_|_, etc]? < 1339166946 519337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you can't prove that for all functions. < 1339166949 452875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes. < 1339166951 729914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1339166955 611704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Reduce the definition yourself. < 1339166961 364741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is pure if < 1339166964 522553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The function always evaluates the same result value given the same argument value(s). " < 1339166977 49346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what my base of argumentation is ;) < 1339166979 754991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, of course not. And? < 1339166983 664080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone let me know when this nonsense stops going in circles? < 1339166986 86274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Thanks." < 1339166986 984590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse [1..] yields the same result as reverse [1..] < 1339166989 983549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it would halt. < 1339166997 588154 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339167000 843404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1339167089 352343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't care if it halts or not, because I know that they must yield the same result < 1339167114 362505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know the result of reverse [1..] < 1339167119 906720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, the result it yields *is* "does not halt". < 1339167147 75352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, by the common definition. < 1339167157 999797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of that. < 1339167164 799776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why do you consider "does not halt" as a result? < 1339167164 959355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your definition? < 1339167202 270235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why we can assume "does not halt" as a result. < 1339167228 488432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, because that's the way the entire system is defined, so if you disagree with it you're not actually talking about the same thing as everyone else. < 1339167351 612489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1339167357 347211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a function can result in < 1339167364 821666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value, "does not halt" < 1339167370 468518 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, FWIW referential transparency is defined based on the definition of 'same' that requires that two functions that do not halt are the same. < 1339167374 316456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what in the case where you can't prove any option of them? < 1339167431 79611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can't prove it has any result. < 1339167451 96852 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you don't know whether the associated computation halts. < 1339167497 991687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you express that? < 1339167507 460301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bottom, or not bottom, or nothing at all? < 1339167528 34882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "I don't know whether it's bottom or not" < 1339167553 826914 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK look just sit tight, wait for someone who knows what they're doing to try to teach you and accept everything they say uncritically. < 1339167558 562508 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only hope for you. < 1339167776 481751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1339167797 261629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd always wonder what if functions that do not halt don't yield "does not halt" ;) < 1339167822 590721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go out there and find someone willing to teach you < 1339167833 767675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider "does not halt" as a value, than I understand you and elliot completely. < 1339168006 542734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, my hand's almost healed < 1339168019 686418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, oooh, elliott hates it when people get his name wrong. < 1339168031 658774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask Taneb why his hand was injured. < 1339168044 274095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he hates me for several other reasons ;D < 1339168061 980277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure if elliott has the ability to hate. < 1339168080 594387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be severely ashamed of your existence, but I doubt he hates you. < 1339168104 440747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, I'm a naïve idealist. < 1339168149 64920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No elliott is definitely capable of hate. < 1339168233 626745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's word on this "I... expect so?" < 1339168250 285501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I will go put things away < 1339168608 740114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339169922 665850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339170443 810181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wb < 1339170449 93866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339170629 396750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: marlow just usurped you :P < 1339171612 595425 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/06/47162.htm < 1339171706 727785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ indeed < 1339173556 838084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Patashu I hope your seed scummer thing annotates the recording/save file appropriately, like wizmode does in most roguelikes. < 1339173595 11953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1339173597 612175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabooooot < 1339173690 985932 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339173906 881325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339175218 873519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a reality bomb goes off at the first ever ShatnerCon, all of the characters ever played by William Shatner are suddenly sucked into our world. Their mission: hunt down and destroy the real William Shatner. Featuring: Captain Kirk, TJ Hooker, Denny Crane, Priceline Shatner, Cartoon Kirk, Rescue 9-1-1 Shatner, singer Shatner, and many more. No costumed con-goer will be spared in their wave of destruction, no red shirt will make it < 1339175219 70509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : out alive, and not even the Klingons will be able to stand up to a deranged Captain Kirk with a light saber. But these Shatner- clones are about to learn a hard lesson . . . that the real William Shatner doesn't take crap from anybody. Not even himself. < 1339176447 158332 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339176449 850894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-118.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339179956 553643 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339180359 791671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that a real movie? < 1339180364 501814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book. < 1339180368 540342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339180374 203723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a film! < 1339180376 326088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty amazing idea < 1339180378 159167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would go see that film. < 1339180383 316359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only if Shatner played all the Shatners. < 1339180388 737074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah definitely < 1339180407 14829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartoon Kirk < 1339180407 908998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1339180425 302198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not sure what that refers to < 1339180430 933316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1339180436 713912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the list < 1339180439 69944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you quoted < 1339180447 220189 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339180447 379714 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1339180448 255807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAS? < 1339180460 671055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the animated stuff < 1339180463 343525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, makes sense < 1339180494 44941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339180514 255496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he couldn't play that himself I guess :P < 1339180530 462958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the voice acting I guess < 1339180838 43498 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033144.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339181279 383320 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181294 885854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an irc channel where people know algorithms really well and are helpful and talkative < 1339181386 324088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried #esoteric? < 1339181406 428691 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339181419 818105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one out of three ain't bad < 1339181436 968623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-174-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181509 143623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah #esoteric sucks at that < 1339181527 158568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is your scoring done yet < 1339181538 100358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i want to talk to algorithms people < 1339181563 132999 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that i could get away without using the sledgehammer of linpack < 1339181579 507294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1339181580 995664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason not to < 1339181581 480711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had someone competent at bayesian methods to talk to < 1339181587 69856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-174-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339181587 862475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1339181589 835599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :akaa speed < 1339181593 498478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1339181597 72916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm sure linpack will be super slow < 1339181618 536541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding all the eigenvales when i only need one eigenvector will be slow < 1339181694 224075 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181702 740179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott < 1339181704 420884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott < 1339181739 724117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-174-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kappabot < 1339181742 954554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kappabot: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339181771 508017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1339181771 709997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME KAPPABOT < 1339181775 195240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAPPABOT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1339181782 98764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be admin shachaf? < 1339181805 865319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - quintopia < 1339181811 556819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quit < 1339181811 748823 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339181814 695627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339181818 585584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Story of my life. < 1339181823 888912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-174-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1 < 1339181824 865626 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1339181826 705344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1339181826 903669 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1339181832 277227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1339181832 468638 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1339181834 704966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@print-notice < 1339181834 892426 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339181835 320610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@print-notices < 1339181835 544043 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339181838 810985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Awww, c'mon. < 1339181840 9523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make me admin. < 1339181858 23918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No! You might run code on my server. < 1339181864 794628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know your password! < 1339181866 430285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1339181874 376146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I told elliott my password. < 1339181884 523015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a ruby bot < 1339181907 63808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1339181917 36344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote tell < 1339181919 358044 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181919 877081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46) Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you. \ 180) fizzie: I can never tell with OpenBSD! everything looks like an error anyway \ 253) oerjan: Tell us what (a(b{c}d)*2e)%2 expands to <-- ababcdbcdedbabcdbcdede, i think oerjan: What - the - fuck \ 313) A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing < 1339181922 596479 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181931 377701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote @tell < 1339181932 655906 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339181932 815706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181934 5073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, monqy < 1339181934 828320 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :550) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell < 1339181963 660069 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339181969 318243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, monqy < 1339181982 824102 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339181985 156879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, monqy < 1339182024 96973 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how when your sasl auth times out and you just don't feel like manually identifying < 1339182035 371517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339182038 939030 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339182051 36409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i identify manually with this client because it fails to do it automatically for some reason < 1339182064 355120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main client just uses a server password < 1339182067 178706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the clear" < 1339182096 820749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is sasl good < 1339182103 897116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "is your irc password the same as your other passwords" < 1339182114 22425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1339182124 579094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know lambdabot is down :( < 1339182142 153989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is you irc password the same as shaachaf's password? < 1339182155 887559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339182188 880829 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339182302 113349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339182705 954991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I liked your Hell stairdancing. < 1339182716 36770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wasn't going to bother watching it but then I saw the Pandoora announcements in the log.) < 1339182729 441289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc pasword: < 1339182735 139964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eli0t < 1339182753 6661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which one < 1339182756 641406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell it's secure because it has a digit in it. < 1339182760 550097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Which... one? < 1339182767 898307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digits are harder to remember than letters, so you know they're more secure. < 1339182785 554415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell is a stairdance party and ive been there multiple times in light < 1339182795 86695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: The one you did earlier. < 1339182799 261363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today. < 1339182800 974880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also did you see the part where i got banished and quit < 1339182813 578398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "quit", do you mean "converted to Lugonu"? < 1339182821 501385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... was present when you got banished and quit. < 1339182823 260937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lugonu altar was right next to where I got banished < 1339182829 431871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I saw that. < 1339182830 28033 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no choice < 1339182843 325700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what you mean by quit, though. < 1339182847 916794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an earlier game I saw live, wasn't it? < 1339182849 944136 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that i didnt < 1339182855 48129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339182857 27851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm laughing. < 1339182864 350780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:11 @ask monqy WOW HOW DID YOU FIND A LUGONU ALTAR THAT QUICKLY < 1339182864 510676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:11 Error(401): lambdabot No such nick/channel < 1339182865 532190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also the fact that there over 60 million passwords using 5 alphanumeric characters! guessing it by brute force could take almost an hour! < 1339182883 584458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'm disappointed you did non-orb-run Hive. < 1339182888 684353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet orb run Hive would be exciting. < 1339182968 573055 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i got to hive on orb run i wouldnt do it < 1339183108 138639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Another brogue release came out! < 1339183277 766911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another? < 1339183306 288429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes. < 1339183311 694852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a... slight bug: http://i.imgur.com/Xw7eo.png < 1339183352 431195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything else in the release < 1339183388 42744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More bugfixes. < 1339183397 726078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ally damage doubled instead of added, or something. < 1339183419 74273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :very powerful ally that < 1339183957 371693 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-209-31.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339185049 251942 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-174-95.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339186332 147431 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339186633 287033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why is it so early? < 1339186834 467423 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-209-31.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339187223 458080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there's any good reason for Pidgin to be using XML
< 1339187268 241682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whuut??! < 1339187311 949431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :h There was a... slight bug: http://i.imgur.com/Xw7eo.png <-- interesting looking game < 1339187316 464717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^h// < 1339187324 104703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Golf your regexps. :-( < 1339187332 55619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why? < 1339187346 839570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf=the future. < 1339187351 511499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, is that your roguelike? < 1339187352 530850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, when used on IRC, clarity is way more important < 1339187355 96692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's brogue. It's pretty. It's fun. Play it! < 1339187357 726798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. If only! < 1339187360 341708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no the future is just more capable hardware < 1339187361 741352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's brogue. < 1339187387 73480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But thank you for the implicit compliment in assuming I could produce something like that. < 1339187391 481293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find it by googling, it is apparently an Irish word though < 1339187404 855885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, refers to an Irish accent even < 1339187423 742448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant that your "roguelike" was a static textmap with a quarter of a map and some coloured text. < 1339187430 190868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go < 1339187432 995088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hint: Add "game" to query. < 1339187442 100862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this advice brought to you by: the letter monqy" < 1339187445 303216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system operator seems to not be on X-BIT anymore < 1339187445 558476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that is what I did < 1339187462 562560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ < 1339187465 670277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339187474 357542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I found it already :O < 1339187475 624269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P* < 1339187477 627834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1339187486 38261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339187491 101837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy @tell shachaf to look up brogue < 1339187491 314325 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339187492 366126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing at an awkward angle here < 1339187500 508146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame that for my typos < 1339187695 372962 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339187996 371620 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339188536 745855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339188629 467305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustprog quintopia_zoom < 1339188632 190126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: joustprog: not found < 1339188633 190961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jousturl quintopia_zoom < 1339188635 996509 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/quintopia_zoom.bfjoust < 1339188665 525479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how ais523 just makes up program names. < 1339188669 642785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`greet ais523 < 1339188672 256152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: greet: not found < 1339188678 174420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1339188678 610891 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339188683 468398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Will you play brogue? < 1339188687 560629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: you mean HackEgo commands? < 1339188688 745859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1339188691 770994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1339188696 753486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin'sh' >bin/joustreport < 1339188698 362491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1339188699 507938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1339188702 207052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/joustreport < 1339188705 2217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339188706 678063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if it's worth improving shudderlock, and I'm not convinced it is < 1339188708 661697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remind me ot play brogue later. < 1339188713 588330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo 'http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt'" >>bin/joustreport < 1339188716 294868 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339188716 454238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/joustreport < 1339188717 735014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I will. < 1339188719 71035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339188720 127984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustreport < 1339188721 380403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strategy might beat death_to_defence by defending < 1339188723 16890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/joustreport: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/joustreport: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1339188725 770953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's /viable/ < 1339188727 230884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustreport < 1339188728 788248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wouldn't happen to know a good "idiot's guide to lapack" would you? < 1339188730 693270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1339188731 618692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1339188731 876463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1339188825 764471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complete idiots guide to insults < 1339188834 252926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'s < 1339188863 877335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wouldnt happen to know a good regular-lock-on-flag style defense strategy that works for 2-cycle clears on both polarities without requiring much synchronization would you? all i can think is "use the smallest adjustments to flag possible with shortest clear time possible and risk running out of time" < 1339188924 289637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crash testing for dummies < 1339188938 157571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm; (+)*256(.)*256 is reasonably viable if you can hit the right half of the opposing program's clear loop < 1339188945 329401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works better on one polarity than the other, but can work on either < 1339188953 428200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you put your full-tape clear in the (.)*256) < 1339188991 999268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shudderlock uses (+)*64(-)*64(+)*64(-)*64(+)*64(.)*64 in order to defeat death_to_defence, but it seems a bit finicky about the details < 1339189007 209497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that pattern doesn't work on the flag, but only next to the flag < 1339189020 80801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has occasional zero-for-two-cycle moments) < 1339189026 61477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it fails if you are in the (+)*256 part while opponent is doing [-] and the flag starts at wrong value < 1339189032 295587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed < 1339189051 821689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no generic lock algorithm that works on everything with no synchronization, or I'd have used it already :) < 1339189071 205091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start the (+)*256 while your flag is positive, though, it's reasonably safe < 1339189093 152754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you start it before the opponent gets there...it won't be positive :P < 1339189101 51317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339189111 32789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can reliably lock with no synchronization at all < 1339189111 192814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339189157 94668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you do (.++)*192 instead? would that give you a little more leeway for the opponent arriving late? < 1339189163 996168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for the first lock pass? < 1339189238 583973 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: usurped? < 1339189253 827100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yep < 1339189265 14619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.haskell.org/~simonmar/async-stm/Control-Concurrent-Async.html < 1339189265 196014 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain plz < 1339189279 286490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :async + wait + waitThrow ~ spawn < 1339189282 932840 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339189288 899295 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already like 5000 of these libraries on Hackage < 1339189292 464773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! < 1339189296 75532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is the 5001th. < 1339189300 224714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you are usurped. < 1339189308 471296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also this is going into the base package. < 1339189314 792076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: totally usurped. < 1339189321 330176 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'spawn' is different because there's no new type for "asynchronous actions" / "threads" / whatever < 1339189334 116575 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it's IO a -> IO (IO a) not IO a -> IO (Async a) < 1339189339 607003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. (But the new type doesn't really matter that much, since you could make spawn use a newtype and it'd be ~the same.) < 1339189344 419646 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the latter gives you a lot more functionality < 1339189349 537000 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the former is more convenient < 1339189355 730966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo <- spawn abc < 1339189357 767832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar <- wait abc < 1339189366 759848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's exactly a "wait " more convenient, I guess :) < 1339189366 919544 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pleases me better as a fusion of imperative and functional programming < 1339189371 790836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1339189378 265188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to prefer using a newtype for things like that for clarity. < 1339189387 386548 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's also the difference between mapM wait and sequence < 1339189403 682550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fair enough. < 1339189406 612832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like IO (IO a) then you can use join < 1339189407 533146 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is not a big difference < 1339189426 105892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :race :: IO a -> IO b -> IO (Either a b) < 1339189469 409284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott < 1339189470 113569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott < 1339189503 378996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And, what would you mean by that race? < 1339189517 72760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Exactly what Marlow means. < 1339189591 45335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: race m n = do { var <- newEmptyMVar; rec { threadA <- forkIO ((m >>= putMVar var) >> killThread threadB); threadB <- forkIO ((n >>= putMVar var) >> killThread threadA) }; takeMVar var } < 1339189593 276168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More or less.) < 1339189623 691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You forgot Left and Right. < 1339189638 814733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By zzo38 I mean elliott. < 1339189652 957189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, how did you discover my sockpuppet? < 1339189677 453777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is because you threw all of your socks on the floor, everyone can find them < 1339189689 826285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help. < 1339189694 279018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! a talking sockpuppet! < 1339189694 521881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been foiled. < 1339189728 149950 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339189963 279341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to understand what rec means there? < 1339189997 336724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DoRec extension < 1339190006 813786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the documentation for the DoRec extension. < 1339190014 581419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339190045 815504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would it be written without using do and rec? < 1339190057 323935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using mfix < 1339190191 548432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfix (\(threadA, threadB) -> liftM2 (,) (forkIO ((m >>= putMVar var) >> killThread threadB) (forkIO ((n >>= putMVar var) >> killThread threadA)), i think < 1339190199 765243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Using mfix in a far more ugly manner than I can be bothered with. < 1339190281 707510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even understand mfix well either < 1339190337 366057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just read the rec as a mutually recursive binding there < 1339190347 501933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in IO. < 1339190370 915880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339190401 65628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what does a mutually recursive binding even means in IO? < 1339190510 114817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it means mostly that mutation is used under the hood to change the bindings from errors to the final value when the IO action completes < 1339190583 151243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the IO actions should use the bindings only lazily < 1339190596 702696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you could instead create two MVars to hold the thread ID of each. < 1339190604 783500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Not errors, are they?) < 1339190609 76178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assumed it'd just block, like takeMVar.) < 1339190617 947448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not sure. hm i guess. < 1339190618 107298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, I suspect it looks like this:) < 1339190641 578663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mfix m = do { v <- newEmptyMVar; x <- m (takeMVar v); putMVar v x; return x }) < 1339190651 792655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1339190660 429622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not quite, because it has to be takeMVar v >>= m and that wouldn't work. < 1339190669 232629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check. < 1339190682 127617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance MonadFix IO where < 1339190682 287670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mfix = fixIO < 1339190683 861355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, GHC. < 1339190703 16579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You look it up. :p < 1339190705 68083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fixIO < 1339190705 257177 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1339190708 709904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Come on. < 1339190729 477501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just downloaded the database, maan! < 1339190732 269175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base-4.5.0.0/src/System-IO.html#fixIO < 1339190739 404400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty close < 1339190746 301940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I thought unsafeInterleaveIO might be involved. < 1339190750 562580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's safe there < 1339190752 938594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there. < 1339190826 756767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of note about how this probably isn't always safe < 1339190846 481367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is new :P < 1339190974 781233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:28 class Monad m where box :: a -> m a; unbox :: m a -> a < 1339190987 196438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24 The first monadic law is that a monad is a wrapper around another type. In Haskell, one has the IO String type, which is returned from functions that read from files, console input, or system calls – IO is a monad that wraps the String data type. jQuery obviously satisfies this condition, as it wraps DOM nodes retrieved through given queries. < 1339190996 968718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a monad < 1339190998 52406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24 The second monadic law is just as simple: all monads must have a function to wrap themselves around other data types. jQuery clearly has ways to apply itself to DOM nodes – you use the querying facilities to traverse the DOM, and if you’re feeling especially saucy, you can use pass the results of document.getElementsByTagName and its siblings to the jQuery object. Haskell refers to this as a type constructor – a < 1339190998 211907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function that takes some data an < 1339191011 796720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quoting someone else there! < 1339191020 788964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on the other hand, typed that thing in himself. < 1339191030 380129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That particular line has never been typed before by anyone. < 1339191039 63988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was channelling whoever wrote this other blog post. < 1339191059 385468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third monadic law says that everyone gets monads wrong. < 1339191171 293187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ought to be: class Functor m => Monad m where { return :: x -> m x; join :: m (m x) -> m x; }; well, not exactly; it should be done by making specificness of a monad generally in another category, and then add another instance that makes all monads to be also applicative in the categories where that is the case < 1339191275 775431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You forgot unbox. < 1339191280 607692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And understand < 1339191295 370213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I forgot it on purpose because it is not a comonad < 1339191459 271889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :type MonadC (c :: z -> z -> *) (m :: z -> z) :: & = (Category c, EndofunctorC c m, MonadLawsC c m, method return :: c x (m x), method join :: c (m (m x)) (m x)); < 1339191477 156533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Monad = MonadC (->); < 1339191481 706249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadFactorySingleton < 1339191549 50045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was that eventful < 1339191553 168357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed it < 1339191555 888994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If (->) of kind (* -> * -> *) then Monad of kind ((* -> *) -> &) due to these definitions. < 1339191571 4147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (->) < 1339191572 375160 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? -> ? -> * < 1339191580 681857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1339191585 7862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind Monad < 1339191586 285451 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Class `Monad' used as a type < 1339191586 450111 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the type `Monad' < 1339191587 615763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLEP < 1339191596 700975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: geryon, I mean < 1339191600 489751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GHC, (->) is of kind (?? -> ? -> *) and Monad does not have a kind. < 1339191617 483230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code I posted above is meant for Ibtlfmm rather than Haskell since it won't work in Haskell < 1339191626 347218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wrong. < 1339191629 540431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad has kind * -> Constraint in GHC. < 1339191638 83408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the appropriate extensions.) < 1339191638 806595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which part is wrong? < 1339191643 771898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad not having a kind. < 1339191651 275069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339191654 393009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shouldn't it be: (* -> *) -> Constraint < 1339191655 848189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (* -> *) -> Constraint, surely < 1339191669 802425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1339191670 445407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1339191679 653215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> Constraint -> (Constraint,Constraint) -> * < 1339191719 382080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What would the (Constraint,Constraint) kind mean? < 1339191733 652768 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339191733 822297 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339191758 156631 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339191785 838566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I was using "kind" for data kinds, but perhaps "kind" should mean kind synonyms and "data kind" for data kinds, then you can write: kind Constraint = &; if you want to do so. < 1339191816 793592 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. this time I really managed to remove all that debug junk < 1339191844 641745 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1339191949 469579 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: is eliza still working? < 1339191949 629384 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1339191991 144560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: I often dream of gnomes. < 1339191991 342148 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that make you feel? < 1339192004 456427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Hungry. < 1339192004 615405 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel when you say that? < 1339192010 914808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Hungry. < 1339192011 74492 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel when you say that? < 1339192015 135975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Hungry. < 1339192015 295624 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's change focus a bit... Tell me about your family. < 1339192018 768158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Hungry. < 1339192018 926987 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1339192022 524318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad. < 1339192253 265758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then give the name for other kind too: kind Natural = +; kind Module = @; < 1339192344 913298 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339192427 968397 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339192543 709633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: no errors made by cleanup? < 1339192544 69135 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1339192626 266373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit uppity, that one < 1339192647 971651 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339192666 354817 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D289.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339192715 28151 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: I can't answer that before I have seen your eliza program working < 1339192715 244761 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: How do you know you can't answer that before you have seen my eliza program working? < 1339192805 307733 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: because python interpreter doesn't detect logical errors < 1339192805 482500 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: What other reasons come to mind? < 1339192821 565260 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: well that is the only one < 1339192821 925272 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Please tell me more. < 1339192886 409142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python interp doesn't even detect illogical erros < 1339192889 290769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*errors < 1339192917 956762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if eliza was the first wrapped shrink software
< 1339192958 323792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1339192966 953408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a surprisingly good pun, for oerjan < 1339192970 488737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he normally makes bad ones < 1339192988 767562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :( < 1339193007 55132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm having a bit of cognitive dissonance trying to read that last line < 1339193014 238810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1339193043 596207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog yay :\( < 1339193069 716430 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\( is kinda weird emoticon < 1339193076 54034 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339193092 988757 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs yay :( < 1339193095 413295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1339193105 282034 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog yay :( < 1339193108 808102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: missing ) < 1339193124 136552 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so it has regexps < 1339193147 938382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. we are not barbarians here. < 1339193252 102253 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339193252 629326 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339193589 204245 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339193793 732573 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339194410 622226 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339194786 579356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make any Pokemon Card puzzle? < 1339195002 11837 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339195002 264915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339195002 529398 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339195003 390501 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339195392 979407 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: requested < 1339195404 491719 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcmwppifimbiegrv JOIN :#esoteric < 1339195428 985018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ssue < 1339195431 861001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339195504 216206 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339195580 720416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339195616 354665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he doesn't look new: * ssue has quit (*.net *.split) < 1339195628 104549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough! < 1339195630 487497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that new at least < 1339195759 769868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn, ~/Images on my laptop is 40 GB < 1339195764 830683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1339195774 399154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is supposed to be like that on the desktop < 1339195783 437365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains where the disk space went at least < 1339195789 415787 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? that is larger than my HD < 1339195826 468469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, I have a 250 GB in my laptop, and like 4 TB (but RAID 1 and dual booting, so 1 TB to linux and 1 TB to windows) in my desktop < 1339195841 39700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, anyway how is 40 GB images strange? < 1339195846 641637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: what sort of disk do you have < 1339195855 252849 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :30GB < 1339195859 314358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old? < 1339195877 294828 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1339195883 579918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really old I guess < 1339195908 907602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, my camera takes 14 MB RAW images. And I convert that into TIFF with 16 bits per channel (I do HDR photo, and panorama photo) < 1339195926 328497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical panorama project will end up at around 2 GB or so < 1339195930 990009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more if it is HDR as well < 1339195942 514739 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that explain it < 1339195944 966235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while non-panorama HDR is usually around 1 GB) < 1339195968 878257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, so yeah I'm just wondering why it is on my /laptop/ < 1339195972 489589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than my desktop < 1339195993 500586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, anyway 30 GB HDD sounds utterly painful < 1339196045 287122 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: year ago I had 10GB HD. It is relative < 1339196056 271718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, you know, my steam directory alone on windows is larger than your HDD XD < 1339196072 240557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, what you can buy a new 30 GB HDD? < 1339196074 959457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?! < 1339196075 248402 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last-first search. < 1339196076 130444 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go. < 1339196083 57246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS < 1339196085 277187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, last-first? < 1339196102 448199 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last-first search. LFS. < 1339196105 960483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only well defined for one search result? < 1339196107 718724 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. it was on different computer < 1339196111 380196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the last item is also the first one < 1339196117 939183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :leet file system < 1339196123 665723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, you can buy a new computer with a 30 GB HDD!? < 1339196126 435533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1339196127 937035 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lossy file system. < 1339196139 204666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: all of them? :P < 1339196143 289617 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I buy my computers used < 1339196145 933436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339196153 955943 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stores files using Bloom filters. You can never be sure if the file you're looking for exists or not. < 1339196172 836437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339196173 285265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, unless it is a laptop I just buy components and assemble the computer myself < 1339196181 76655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, I really like my current desktop. 16 GB RAM < 1339196194 34251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, hey, that is more RAM than your old computer had disk space :P < 1339196206 805014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the mobo supports 32 GB RAM. So I could upgrade if I wanted < 1339196217 680335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get more than your current disk < 1339196239 853697 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339196242 657261 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have 256 times as much ram as I do < 1339196265 478166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, you have 64 MB RAM!? < 1339196267 314485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1339196271 395412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1339196296 58060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in Finland according to /whois < 1339196296 217238 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. does that shock you? < 1339196299 486568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes no sense < 1339196320 797713 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about me living in finland? < 1339196328 252260 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1339196332 986742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, it is not a third world country! < 1339196345 120971 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339196349 451612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, 64 MB RAM is as much as my first computer had (a first model iBook) < 1339196357 673850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about 10 years ago < 1339196362 783295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hi < 1339196364 480398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 actually < 1339196370 953850 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should have more RAM than I do. < 1339196375 164896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 4 rams < 1339196376 806329 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what money for. < 1339196382 592410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, having 64 MB RAM makes no sense. You can't do anything useful with it < 1339196388 96011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, how much do you have then? < 1339196404 899662 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339196415 504497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have more rams but i learnt the hard way that you can't trust elliott as far as you can throw him :( < 1339196421 31519 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my computer is 12 years old. And I can do a lot with it. < 1339196426 257389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how far can you throw me < 1339196432 800879 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very far < 1339196437 238543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm putting both nortti_ and Vorpal on ignore until they stop talking about computer specs < 1339196443 707431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think that has actually been done. use a bloom filter to avoid hitting distant memory (RAM, disk). i guess you're just suggesting throwing out the actual storage part < 1339196444 181083 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 4 GiB. < 1339196453 181826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm terrible at throwing things < 1339196453 342019 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? < 1339196458 660990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :'( < 1339196464 135532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how will i ever get to alaska now < 1339196464 465357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think the first component I will upgrade in this computer apart from replacing breaking HDDs (it is slightly less than a year old, so maybe in 2-3 years I will upgrade this) will be the GPU < 1339196466 399837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: You should get a newer computer! < 1339196476 31629 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once threw like 20 pens at someone from a metre behind him < 1339196477 934290 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? < 1339196480 39951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you will not avoid the ignores < 1339196480 456125 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all but one missed < 1339196496 594611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not happy with 55 FPS in Skyrim on Ultra (only at some specific places). I want a full 60 FPS! < 1339196498 231042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Am I on /ignore now :=_( < 1339196505 884855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not yet!!! < 1339196514 230629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok>" < 1339196538 911567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: you will not avoid the ignores <-- what did he do? < 1339196543 593561 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have 700MHz Pentium III < 1339196546 469886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, that is enough for some workloads < 1339196564 349183 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is enough for literally everything I have ever done using this computer. < 1339196566 341280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg #esoteric nortti_: In order to type-check Agda programs! < 1339196566 530629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339196567 739496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, argh this is painful. My oldest PC is more powerful than your computer (smaller HDD though) < 1339196571 558729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339196591 707647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg #esoteric nortti_: In order to type-check Agda programs! < 1339196591 911169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339196602 194095 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why is it painful? < 1339196603 436316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg #esoteric nortti_: In order to type-check Agda programs! < 1339196603 631373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339196605 416945 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, playing Eve Online rather slowly. < 1339196620 763473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, well then. I only have 16 GB because I 1) Panorama photo processing is memory intensive and also 2) want to dual boot windows, and that is because 3) I want to play high end games < 1339196634 461004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would probably have gone for 8 GB < 1339196634 656007 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like to hang here at the low end < 1339196640 141843 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke my swap partition ages ago < 1339196640 455954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, why is that? < 1339196641 85556 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1339196648 802660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, also that isn't low end. It is below low end < 1339196650 255203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was also elliott's fault) < 1339196659 360133 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's a good manufacturer of desktop PCs? < 1339196661 916904 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hardware is cheap < 1339196662 76732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how? < 1339196667 978553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how can you break swap? < 1339196671 54186 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Low end machines use 2 watts. Yours uses at least 200. < 1339196674 295028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, hm true < 1339196682 826889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically i had torrented skyrim to vax's linux partition < 1339196683 798752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and good point < 1339196691 272648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, vax? < 1339196695 313212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer < 1339196698 976011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome name < 1339196700 729438 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my machine is a laptop < 1339196701 812901 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Who's a good manufacturer of desktop PCs! You are! Aww, you're the cutest manufacturer of desktop PCs ever! Good manufacturer of desktop PCs! Wuv wuv wuv.
< 1339196702 410518 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its clever pun, my laptop is called henry < 1339196716 239663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: god < 1339196718 833707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I thought it was a reference to VAX computers < 1339196719 935483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339196731 119386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + shachaf < 1339196732 473459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf < 1339196735 940467 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: define low end < 1339196738 39020 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway elliott claimed that linux couldn't reliably write a 5GB file to ntfs so he had me repurpose the swap partition for transfer < 1339196739 920915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which bot? < 1339196746 830611 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Coppermine? < 1339196755 625604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + shachaf < 1339196755 810644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339196764 391256 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1339196765 180378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, the least powerful thing that you can currently buy new and is still being produced. < 1339196772 229605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work, i ended up doing a convoluted http transfer through my home wifi with henry, and i haven't gotten around to reformatting swap < 1339196784 310552 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd call that mid end < 1339196785 697769 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP it is. < 1339196787 383672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott < 1339196789 686811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott < 1339196791 804606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf < 1339196797 874096 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Your friggin' CPU uses 25 W. < 1339196801 183000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, nah mid end is midway between that and whatever is the high end < 1339196803 155489 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or high end < 1339196803 533906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't need to "reformat" swap < 1339196805 898536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add it back < 1339196809 518944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, oh come on < 1339196815 910977 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said reformat at the time I AM SURE OF IT < 1339196829 351828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at max load? < 1339196831 999721 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, (the naming scheme is clever because henry and vax are both brands of hoover) < 1339196835 50811 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: You're using "older than low-end and significantly more power-hungry than low-end" stuff. < 1339196836 153337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or idle? < 1339196842 57690 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pretty sure that's max load. < 1339196862 392414 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not before the P4 that you start seeing ridiculous power usage. :) < 1339196882 557828 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you can fry eggs by placing a frying pan on the heat sink... < 1339196884 744934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you said reformat at the time I AM SURE OF IT <-- uh you need to run mkswap to write like a one block header to it < 1339196892 910730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you overwrote it that is < 1339196905 829833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1339196920 844705 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P4s go up to... 115W. Shiiit. < 1339196921 550302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUCH prefer it being a reference to VAX computers < 1339196925 129127 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i realised you probably wouldn't get it being an inferior swede and all) < 1339196932 792358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it was both obviously < 1339196935 860412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@flush < 1339196936 179332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1339196950 150980 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think that nothing currently produced cam be called low end < 1339196951 641206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what does a modern top-end, state of the art Core i7 go up to? < 1339196959 977601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was looking through brands of hoover for a name i found it and was like omg < 1339196964 381180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@flush < 1339196967 51618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, really? < 1339196971 411555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" < 1339196985 450392 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1339196993 291587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I have a Mile vacuum cleaner here < 1339197002 686160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :German brand I think? < 1339197009 688467 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The *6 core* i7 does 130W. < 1339197016 649197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, pretty amazing < 1339197025 224711 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know, if i ever have a computer in sweden and/or germany i will call it that < 1339197041 232320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I wonder what consumes most in my desktop. I guess it is either the GPU or the HDDs spinning up actually? < 1339197052 89503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 4 core Sandy Bridge i7 < 1339197055 882193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check which one < 1339197059 445558 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I lied, that was the last gen 6 core i7... < 1339197062 129271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf < 1339197072 803825 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's still 130 W on the current gen. < 1339197083 259827 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more typical ones use rather a lot less. < 1339197085 824775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@flush < 1339197087 760123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339197093 481926 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have my comfortable lowest machine requirement somewhere between 100MHz Pentium I/40MB RAM and 50MHz 486/16MB RAM < 1339197097 447421 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea if the restarts from DX:HR are an overheat or power problem or what because apparently making a temperature monitor is the most complicated thing in the world. < 1339197100 908689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, great job windows... the System tab in Control Panel broke. Somehow. It lists everything as NaN < 1339197102 60248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the low end they use 17 W max. < 1339197111 775644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, every number that is < 1339197116 474132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like NaN GB RAM < 1339197139 977866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mine is 3.4 GHz < 1339197156 71739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check which product name though since windows is spacing out here < 1339197158 412943 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. It looks like the best computer HP can give me would cost $3,383.99. < 1339197166 530224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, desktop? < 1339197169 889157 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1339197177 745140 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has three hard drives and two Blu-Ray writers. < 1339197182 318901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, protip: it is probably cheaper to built your own equivalent system < 1339197189 658934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who would need two blu-ray writers!? < 1339197192 572512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1339197198 977499 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because who knows when you might want to burn two BDs at once. < 1339197249 687481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, just converted it to SEK. It is between 2 and 3 times as expensive as my system < 1339197249 982726 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could buy this. But my parents would disown me. < 1339197251 705557 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1339197252 820177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1339197255 649362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, when it was new) < 1339197260 574925 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can burn blu-rays twice as fast < 1339197264 860390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1339197274 566781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I only have a DVD drive < 1339197283 49358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really see the need for a blu-ray drive < 1339197294 222167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop has a crazy drive though. It can do DVD-RAM < 1339197294 949181 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have single DVD-R, CD-RW drive < 1339197295 660954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that! < 1339197310 414680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do seem a bit pointless given the existence of torrents < 1339197315 316978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed < 1339197318 514624 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I actually *can* buy this. < 1339197327 952330 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does DVD-RAM work < 1339197329 603752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, don't though < 1339197342 956664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, google it. It is a packet writing based media iirc < 1339197354 448280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so you can write specific sectors < 1339197374 344177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, basically it is formatted into sectors iirc, but don't quote me on that < 1339197377 663973 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is ridiculously overwrought < 1339197393 924461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can be rewritten over 100,000 times for the lowest write speed discs (DVD±RW can be rewritten approx. 1,000 times)." < 1339197411 619133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Don't buy a premade computer, man. < 1339197413 327733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll regret it. < 1339197416 72553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially a really expensive one. < 1339197451 627238 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal will look down on you for one and he's well without facepunching range < 1339197454 814140 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will instantly regret any computer purchase I make. < 1339197465 37467 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you'll regret it more < 1339197465 197043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P < 1339197484 27108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty much wasted money < 1339197508 776961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway rest assured I didn't select the laptop based on the DVD-RAM support < 1339197516 275398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered that support much later < 1339197560 405723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not so strange really, it is a thinkpad. And it supports one PC Card + one ExpressCard as well. Oh and Firewire. Yeah it has some rather uncommon stuff < 1339197562 285744 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't regret my computer purchases. They are rarely over 15 euros < 1339197566 223050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DisplayPort too < 1339197569 134849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no HDMI < 1339197592 551995 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bought a computer more expensive than 15 euros in about three years. < 1339197602 994235 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have thinkpad < 1339197625 995740 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tracpoint mouse is awesome < 1339197630 530847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to buy really good computers when I do buy computers. And then use them until they break or are no longer usable for my purposes < 1339197651 447379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will probably upgrade my desktop in about 5 years time. No idea for my laptop. I don't do such heavy stuff on it < 1339197663 891959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, indeed. Also matte screens FTW < 1339197675 923643 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vor < 1339197683 757235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I wouldn't buy a laptop without a trackpoint. Touchpads are terrible < 1339197687 438380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, "vor"? < 1339197707 582884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so less than two weeks before cambridge's "you want to study maths with us? haha fuck you" test i am still unable to reliably integrate ln(ax+b) < 1339197725 297660 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also how rugged they are < 1339197742 446938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, not much (for the newer lenovo made ones at least) < 1339197747 398531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never owned an IBM one) < 1339197773 691940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted rugged I'd go for Toughbook < 1339197809 213779 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my T20 was uder one of the feet of cr < 1339197814 814495 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd get a raspberry pi and put it in 13 different boxes < 1339197820 435760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, cr? < 1339197825 805961 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-r+hain fow few yers < 1339197832 837556 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chair < 1339197835 164646 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you actually have any evidence that they got less durable when Lenovo took over? < 1339197842 733065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, chain? chair? < 1339197850 925451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, also why would you put it there? < 1339197856 167225 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this a lot but it usually sounds like nerd hipsters whining about how the early albums were better < 1339197876 261541 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not happy with some of lenovo's design decisions, but i don't know if the quality has suffered < 1339197877 533349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes. I had to order a replacement part for the palm rest. And the second one got a crack in the same place < 1339197885 164326 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: previous owner. thought it was completely broken < 1339197886 598617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much that I need to order a new one yet < 1339197886 776710 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice anecdotes < 1339197887 860349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm < 1339197893 102987 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did you ever own an IBM thinkpad? < 1339197893 464236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well it is my personal experience < 1339197896 85845 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said there you didn't < 1339197898 612708 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have no comparison < 1339197905 906131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any statistics on it < 1339197934 171267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and I know people with IBM thinkpads. And I used them (though never owned them) and they feel more durable. And I never seen them break like that < 1339197953 332242 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all pretty dodgy < 1339197961 681409 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they "feel more durale" and you've never seen them break, but you don't own them? < 1339197968 575709 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously you wouldn't see the broken ones < 1339197972 365895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, It lacks scientific rigour definitely < 1339197994 708466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I had one on loan for a few years < 1339198011 821229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that enough for you? < 1339198017 198045 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i have this basic contrarian impulse where, if a majority of my peer group believes something, i try to argue against it < 1339198027 379925 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, but I don't think anything would be, so whatever < 1339198035 129055 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339198046 535289 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you exist < 1339198055 101918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well it is just annoying. I never claimed I tested for statistical significant results and so on. So don't argue like if I did that < 1339198057 998550 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can cite one specific thing lenovo made better though < 1339198070 695106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh? < 1339198079 452420 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that the plug on the end of the power cords has more strain relief now < 1339198084 806496 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is less liable to break < 1339198086 431897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1339198093 668523 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old IBM-designed and the first lenovo-designed ones broke all the time < 1339198127 817419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh yeah forgot that. My power cord for this lenovo one (R500, not sure if it is new or old, it lacks the IBM logo though) broke. Near the power supply end < 1339198130 507323 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i owned an IBM-designed ThinkPad and it had its share of problems < 1339198133 575818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than at the computer end < 1339198134 117030 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough anecdotes to match yours < 1339198143 404500 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops break < 1339198146 836519 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads aren't magic < 1339198146 997274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339198148 642980 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty good < 1339198151 374964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded < 1339198153 397883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed* < 1339198159 76236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are better than average though < 1339198161 604131 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339198167 693563 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that continues to be the case < 1339198179 489180 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm upset about lenovo throwing out the thinkpad keyboard layout < 1339198182 207911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but thoughbooks are better still if you are really handling it rough < 1339198186 545300 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1339198190 895471 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're huge and unwieldy < 1339198198 823839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, though I know someone who managed to drop a toughbook so that the HDD popped out and broke < 1339198226 797304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair he works as an ambulance driver and used it in his work. So that is some really tough environment. < 1339198256 141086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty unluckly < 1339198260 921771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlucky* < 1339198268 537687 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339198292 257906 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if lenovo goes to glossy screens only, that's the point at which I will really have to switch < 1339198300 713482 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a glossy screen thinkpad for a few months and really disliked it < 1339198308 837908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but what is there to switch to!? < 1339198316 423999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what is left < 1339198376 218411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i dunno, i have this basic contrarian impulse where, if a majority of my peer group believes something, i try to argue against it < 1339198407 565863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, this laptop monitor is 8:5 btw. Nicer than 16:9 at least < 1339198430 909667 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apple :( < 1339198436 187030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what? < 1339198438 130350 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i really hate the company < 1339198453 480498 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the company but their laptops at least seem to be well made < 1339198455 292337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i dunno, i have this basic contrarian impulse where, if a majority of my peer group believes something, i try to argue against it <-- err wasn't it kmc who said that? < 1339198476 510061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh yeah apple has some terrible lock in going on < 1339198559 194705 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate apple's iOS devices and poat 2006 macs but I love old macs < 1339198566 709150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1339198585 909939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, I'm going to get a new phone soon. A Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1339198597 99746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blue variant been delayed though < 1339198602 875031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would have had it already < 1339198611 462097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some production issues from what I heard) < 1339198629 38092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't want a white phone) < 1339198635 589652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current phone isn't even a smartphone < 1339198648 342309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a really old Nokia with bits of plastic starting to fall off < 1339198651 964196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keypad) < 1339198658 974446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way to do constrast/brightness/gamma by integer arithmetic? < 1339198673 488808 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to also get new phone. an old nokia nonsmartphone < 1339198676 675071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, for what? Image manipulation? < 1339198679 114297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 i dunno, i have this basic contrarian impulse where, if a majority of my peer group believes something, i try to argue against it <-- err wasn't it kmc who said that? < 1339198680 687079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1339198683 895463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, why? < 1339198686 665579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes < 1339198708 942012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, at least my current phone can run J2ME and has a simple camera built in. Pretty shitty quality though < 1339198719 581840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should upload an image I took recently. Was pretty funny < 1339198724 541256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although why should it matter if it is for image manipulation? The same thing should work for audio as well < 1339198768 291594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what does gamma mean for audio? < 1339198770 658364 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why not? I find camera+GPRS+J2ME to be all I nees < 1339198775 50634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or brightness < 1339198799 634173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, fair enough. Those phones are certainly smaller and have better battery life < 1339198820 208716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I really need a better phone since I started doing android development < 1339198822 904902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The same thing as with pictures; gamma is the value to the power of some number, etc < 1339198830 580444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to be able to test it at home < 1339198843 450566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1339198855 475854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I guess you could do fixed point calculations? < 1339198861 264753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However with signed audio you would need to also decide what it will do with the sign < 1339198874 256475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case of gamma) < 1339198877 99648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but why not use floats? < 1339198897 870757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, shouldn't gamma just scale the magnitude? < 1339198949 757878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I want to use integer arithmetic to avoid it being difference by different computers like how TeX also use integer arithmetic for same purpose < 1339198985 870163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey oerjan <-- wat < 1339198991 557221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:37 00:34 i dunno, i have this basic contrarian impulse where, if a majority of my peer group believes something, i try to argue against it <-- err wasn't it kmc who said that? < 1339199003 979265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that word that starts with a wo < 1339199009 19343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ends with an osh < 1339199035 100300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :worbitosh < 1339199049 41370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1339199060 344990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339199060 585487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need to say that word to Vorpal, you see < 1339199158 286761 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339199180 627675 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339199201 283047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot woosh someone when i'm not sure i guess the meaning correctly myself < 1339199216 326664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1339199337 420425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kmc said that earlier. < 1339199341 255962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i quoted it but i replaced kmc with itidus21. < 1339199356 816737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, that makes sense < 1339199388 518320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need a table that the value 0 to 255 is mapped to a new value 0 to 255 < 1339199408 473425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guessed _that_ much. what i'm not sure of is why it is funny. < 1339199433 774088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I see the logic of it now, I don't think it is very funny though < 1339199434 575297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: precalculate? < 1339199458 154722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It has to calculate during the program because any input could be specified < 1339199487 575475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no i mean, just build the whole table of 0 to 255, and include it in the program < 1339199509 918426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why not just do the calculation each step? Is it really that expensive? < 1339199536 892048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he wants it to be more portable than floating point is < 1339199544 643132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so fixed point < 1339199560 668344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that is portable... < 1339199562 789386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unless he is targeting embedded system there is zero reason to avoid floating point in this case < 1339199570 988075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know that but it won't work since the input will be the amount of gamma correction or whatever else it is, and this requires to calculate the table for the given amount of gamma < 1339199589 480323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, uh? How can bitshifts and integer arithmetic NOT be portable? < 1339199599 172698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is all you need for fixed point < 1339199615 486555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh ok. i misunderstood. < 1339199621 372225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want the program to run differently on different computers < 1339199630 879197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so redo the table when the user change the input values? < 1339199651 520207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but he needs an algorithm for a power routine iiuc < 1339199656 961723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339199668 486518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just integer powers < 1339199670 916109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, are you going to run this on a system that lacks floating point? < 1339199721 65208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: portable here means "gives the exact same result regardless of the system's floating point rep" < 1339199749 426393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any self respecting system uses IEEE floating point these days < 1339199755 769666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is irrelevant < 1339199783 501921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. In fact it uses floating point to compress PNG (since it is based on LodePNG), but the rest of the program doesn't make decisions based on that and once decompressed it is the same anyways since it is lossless < 1339199804 675268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you will get the same results on ARM, x86 and x86-64, and really those are the only platforms that matter these days unless you are specifically targeting a specific embedded controller < 1339199808 464201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While with the gamma tables, it is possible for the program to make decisions since the table is exposed < 1339199814 387516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the reality of software development < 1339199840 310762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes and? < 1339199856 559956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the floating point was broken the compression would not work correctly surely? < 1339199859 820825 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't ppc and mips matter? < 1339199870 217227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339199896 212979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, these days? not really for mainstream development. And PPC is dead. You might be referring to the Power architecture, which is what replaced PPC < 1339199900 14051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wouldn't it be nice if, like, instead of having types, Haskell *only* had typeclasses? And their instances would be *other typeclasses*. < 1339199903 82800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is used in some places yes < 1339199906 107705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The compression is lossless; if the floating point was partially broken you would probably still get a valid PNG file with the correct picture but it would not be optimal compression, I suppose < 1339199906 528816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS3 for example < 1339199921 868674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, and in some high end clusters < 1339199950 527835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, but mainstream: not really. MIPS might matter slightly more, but it is far less popular than ARM < 1339199957 98869 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: powerpc is dead? freescale still manufactures ppc processors < 1339199966 398310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, really? Who uses them? < 1339199982 98487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, I know the ISA is used in the Power core of the Cell CPU (as used in PS3) < 1339199982 444478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program in TeXnicard it is not only for personal microcomputers, it is for companies who print cards as well (although they won't necessarily use it, it is intended to be available for them) < 1339200029 461460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what sort of systems do you think those companies use? Probably x86-based < 1339200040 237429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a grip on reality < 1339200042 563522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose so < 1339200107 26822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, most likely any company printing large volumes are going to send it to a printing house as a PDF btw. < 1339200174 366600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you want PNG? < 1339200176 792276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, anyway, all the platforms (apart from MIPS possibly, I don't know enough about the details for it) listed uses IEEE floating point < 1339200190 203310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you embed it in the PDF? < 1339200197 991170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean? < 1339200205 205020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can PNG be embedded directly to PDF? < 1339200207 678158 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what systems don't? < 1339200236 551553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, pretty sure that EPS, PNG, JPEG and JPEG2000 are the formats that can be embedded in PDFs < 1339200247 763007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, ? < 1339200251 38047 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from microcontrollers < 1339200263 764770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, what? < 1339200272 584192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what systems don't what? < 1339200281 451026 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of systems have no hardware floating point < 1339200286 959490 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software fpu is probably ieee though < 1339200299 347713 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what systems don't use IEEE fp < 1339200302 607778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, indeed. So you end up with IEEE in any case. Which was my point < 1339200310 73414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, no common modern ones < 1339200310 974008 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is not dead... 2 of the 3 major game consoles use PPC architecture < 1339200312 436504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point < 1339200322 945990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, actually Power < 1339200329 993228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the PS3 < 1339200334 59980 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339200336 418981 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then < 1339200337 863494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same ISA yes < 1339200342 180568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tty1 is running NetHack, tty2 is runnin Crawl, tty3 is running robotfindskitten < 1339200345 184082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All x86. < 1339200346 211544 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which one isn't? < 1339200346 407667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't remember what xbox or Wii uses < 1339200355 478669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, xbox might actually use PPC? < 1339200369 355478 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot that the Wii also does :) < 1339200374 847749 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, 3 :) < 1339200378 278250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right < 1339200399 787804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose, you should know the printing resolution as well? Since, TeXnicard produces PNG outputs at the printer's resolution. So hopefully PDF support such things if it is required to use PDF, but it would be better to just send the PNG directly if it is the correct resolution already < 1339200416 846148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so 2 of them uses PPC, and one uses Power, which is the same ISA pretty much (except that it is Cell, which means that it is just one out of the many cores that has that ISA) < 1339200446 711182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, mhm. Seems silly to not produce vector graphics if you can though < 1339200459 778479 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is what #haskell actually believes? < 1339200473 257097 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is kinda nice ISA. Good thingvppc macs are cheap < 1339200476 33815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 17:02 shachaf: maybe like this?? class StringLike s where f :: CharLike c => s -> (c,s) < 1339200483 66573 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v+ < 1339200494 910021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it is using all raster fonts, raster graphics, etc < 1339200504 137114 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol @ telling zzo38 to get a grip on reality < 1339200506 706708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why? < 1339200520 804899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you have a point there < 1339200530 578984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They are better if you know the printer's resolution < 1339200566 928477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think I have been pragmatized (does that word exist?) over the last few months. Seen what commercial software development looks like. < 1339200599 303546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why? I don't see why they wouldn't be equally good if both produce the same end result < 1339200601 471332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses TFM/GF for fonts, and PBM and PNG for graphics. < 1339200607 597622 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should I also start assuming I can use more than 64kB code+64kB data? < 1339200609 660966 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you start a new job? < 1339200615 867337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they would in situations where vector graphics are good enough < 1339200647 327617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it won't; raster is better quality *if you know the resolution of the printer*. < 1339200674 94404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I did my bachelor thesis with a software development company. Pretty common here in Sweden. Been doing indoor positioning using WLAN. < 1339200683 185706 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1339200692 99516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is in Sweden? < 1339200701 111269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no. I'm on Mars. < 1339200704 435106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339200708 315340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Where in Sweden are you? < 1339200716 582084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why? < 1339200722 405173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Stockholm, right? < 1339200725 206919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no < 1339200727 364658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1339200735 610042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get kmc to visit you! < 1339200750 265877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE is not only using vector but also JPEG, which results in poor quality output especially also since the printer resolution is not set correctly either. < 1339200750 873489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc lives in Sweden? < 1339200760 898826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. He's on Mars. < 1339200763 838590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339200770 139979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And JPEG isn't even a vector format so it has to use raster as well < 1339200779 387862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway geoip for kmc claims US < 1339200789 857085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get a cloak! < 1339200790 414434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway why would I live in Stockholm. I hate big cities < 1339200799 880840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get them from that one person in that one channel. < 1339200805 215852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339200830 464794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kmc is visiting .fi sometime. < 1339200830 662107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway why are you interested in where in Sweden I am? < 1339200847 797066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in // < 1339200879 654854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I may tell you if you give me the reason why you want to know < 1339200890 150461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no reason for wanting to know. < 1339200909 950290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in Sweden for two non-consecutive days of my life. < 1339200916 85863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that is fair enough. About 30 Swedish miles from Stockholm (a Swedish mile is 10 km) < 1339200938 154232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE is intended for printing worst quality than official cards. TeXnicard is intended for printing better quality than official cards. < 1339200949 555397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so quite far away < 1339200966 596512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just said I have no reason for wanting to know! Why are you telling me? < 1339200972 74629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, s/worst/worse/ < 1339200977 537530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what you mean? < 1339200987 70574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, because you answered my question < 1339200991 403337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that was a valid answer < 1339200991 564975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes < 1339201053 305092 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339201256 931083 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D289.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339201655 798956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :waking in yo | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339201902 958718 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339201956 784729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to have the Magic: the Gathering symbols in METAFONT < 1339202055 473914 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339202090 104670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You shoult not get a cloak. You should get a clock! < 1339202161 598289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1339202170 425419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :report.c is so hacky < 1339202181 496804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1339202191 194406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: halp < 1339202204 597495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY CANNOT HALP FROM CHINA < 1339202240 724008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i was going to rewrite report.c < 1339202242 586511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that hels < 1339202243 380312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps < 1339202262 767838 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped in fortune cookie factory < 1339202316 494667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can't even tell me what the hell kind of method is being used to store the scores? it is a signed char *, and the part where it gets read into looks like < 1339202325 486492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : st = 0; < 1339202325 686432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : SF(tmpi, read, -1, (scorepipe[0], &st, sizeof(int))); < 1339202326 568417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : scores[row + i] = st; < 1339202330 567103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You think I REMEMBER??? < 1339202341 891607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MAYBE < 1339202345 627224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume one char per score, in some kind of logical order. < 1339202361 612634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was going to rewrite it in Haskell. < 1339202361 821968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a score be a char < 1339202363 198279 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, looks like one INT per score there. < 1339202380 147117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Because it's never going to be less than -128 or greater than 127? < 1339202387 26938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339202403 133731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it easy to do linear algebra in haskell? < 1339202422 180566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i found a linpack binding < 1339202520 26205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out how to do my scoring with just one dgesv < 1339202582 657825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you rewrite report i can put it in fairly easil < 1339202605 476591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can go ahead and give you the gearlance i modified to report both program scores which i need to compute my scoring < 1339202953 404993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I was doing some changes to installed components of windows on this windows 7 system. Strangely enough it didn't want the DVD to add minesweeper. And no it is not an OEM install with everything on the disk. This is installed from a stock DVD with windows 7 on it < 1339202967 223788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you serious about rewriting report < 1339202991 407768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as in you could get it done over the weekend or w/e? < 1339202993 370701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1339202995 726207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339202995 938844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geeks will be geeks: "The IceCube collaboration is now discussing the possible addition of a second infill, called PINGU (Phased IceCube Next Generation Upgrade), which would group an additional series of strings in DeepCore and allow IceCube to detect oscillations as low as a few GeV." < 1339203001 988146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was when i was doing lance < 1339203007 472041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1339203009 980420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will have a god at it < 1339203017 637283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*go < 1339203019 392082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't promise anything :P < 1339203064 88976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i attempt to hack report.c now or wait to give you a chance to have a go at it < 1339203088 582797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to hack at report.c, if you want to < 1339203094 138970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to hold you up < 1339203104 717864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually not very good at doing things < 1339203116 922513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking everything is the next logical step < 1339203201 783317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if i hack report.c and get it running my scoring, would you be able to use that code to add my scoring to your version if you ever decided to do it? < 1339203213 835709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: depends how horrible linpack's c api is :P < 1339203220 319801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes probably. i might have to ask you about some things < 1339203271 383934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably be nearly as straightforward as report.c already is (read: stupidly ugly) < 1339203294 125603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theochem.mercer.edu/clapack/dgesv_example.c if this makes sense to you, then my portion of the code should be no problem < 1339203401 511419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1339203402 494888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of does < 1339203434 715656 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339203452 968250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339204127 45547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc linpack uses the opposite row/column order of multidimensional array compared to the normal C way < 1339204132 363887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a heads up < 1339204138 272118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339204148 89151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is because fortran does it that way < 1339204151 604862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :columns first < 1339204157 47398 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's the "normal C way" < 1339204175 733334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, row first? < 1339204193 61430 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says who < 1339204262 948273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, well the point is fortran and C interprets foo[2][3] (and the fortran equiv) the opposite ways in how they are laid out in memory < 1339204299 973682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could consider either way of laying out the data in that array < 1339204308 50150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is up to the programmer < 1339205434 171770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc < 1339205436 183514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know c++ right < 1339205537 657461 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody /knows/ C++ < 1339205543 474451 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe stroustroup < 1339205552 360179 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however you spell it < 1339205610 742525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by knows i mean < 1339205614 618854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can write code that a c++ compiler will accept < 1339205615 586130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1339205665 972751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, all c++ programs stopped compiling after the venus transit < 1339205688 709245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably for the best < 1339205794 190741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan: btw I might end up writing embedded C++ code for a living. How does that sound? < 1339205807 106857 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some c++ yeah < 1339205809 284170 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why elliott < 1339205811 321280 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whelliott < 1339205816 446319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if i have an std::vector member in a class < 1339205820 337971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has its own constructor < 1339205824 54720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to initialise it in the constructor < 1339205828 451387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will it just be empty all by itself < 1339205831 474568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: awful < 1339205846 87325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, running on RTOS btw < 1339205869 377387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is actually the name of a specific RTOS!) < 1339205878 311502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(confusing? yes) < 1339205887 157048 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you do nothing, the ctor for your class will invoke the default ctor for the memer object < 1339205906 270257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has its own ctor? ok < 1339205907 721621 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to invoke a different constructor, you would put it in your ctor's initializer list < 1339205914 457311 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339205921 326994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im going to get past vorpal to kill you for writing proprietry softwawerjio < 1339205922 138504 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's no entry for foo in the initializer list, it's like foo() < 1339205925 775670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right < 1339205933 266256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure this class even uses initialiser lists < 1339205937 180129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this codebase is < 1339205938 237123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I would have to do something for a living < 1339205939 237424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1339205940 120645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1339205971 967013 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ does take some care to make sure values of object type (as opposed to pointer or reference type) are actually valid objects < 1339205979 231288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it is not like this is going to be useful for most people if I get the job. It is for mining rigs. < 1339205988 128693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Atlas Copco) < 1339206066 119994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh this codebase uses int so casually < 1339206090 608465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in place of long or what? < 1339206116 26075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in place of something with a defined size, since it's a cross-platform game and this stuff goes into save files and is actually game-relevant and so on < 1339206119 529570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok depending on your definition of relevant < 1339206134 579653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you complete 2 billion or so ziggurats then bad things will happen < 1339206185 782121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game is it? < 1339206218 487622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl light < 1339206221 408572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339206228 934445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a ziggurats? < 1339206232 4146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ziggurat < 1339206245 22713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that read as zuggu-rat? < 1339206248 101074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziggu* < 1339206251 882335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an actual word :P < 1339206255 400240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339206261 245483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat < 1339206268 770934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so it is < 1339206272 664217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a portal; you pay a bunch of money and then go through 27 levels of very difficult monsters in a confined spcae) < 1339206274 705777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange word in English < 1339206282 782732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not english-native < 1339206286 165354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/spcae\)/space/ < 1339206303 957348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh why does this editor keep resetting to hard tabs on every file < 1339206324 923173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first went like "hey, isn't crawl light a free game?" at that "you pay a bunch of money" before I realised it was in game money < 1339206350 196959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely pay in real life to go through a portal though! < 1339206368 890290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it teleported me) < 1339206372 21498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to a ziggurat, you wouldn't < 1339206379 408163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339206476 518061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could see an mmorpg charging to enter something like that < 1339206505 543778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see the game itself charging to enter it? < 1339206506 485163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339206533 246275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing < 1339206533 858152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1339206543 386581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing < 1339206566 257188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see an mmorpg game charge in in order for it to a portal? < 1339206569 4738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to enter* < 1339206573 656927 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would ever offend an employer if I mentioned The Daily WTF < 1339206577 377153 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, due to the language < 1339206584 868501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I misread < 1339206585 995138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339206589 700501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339206603 167899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, why not? < 1339206604 931617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean real-life money < 1339206606 633829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read it as if the game itself charged (ran) into a portal < 1339206607 934773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1339206614 503503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339206621 923686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1339206623 278442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was why I was somewhat confused < 1339206624 77257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dumb interpretation :P < 1339206630 621586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is < 1339206644 300692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm tired < 1339206650 444370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tried < 1339206666 805090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tyre you are glue. Wait what. < 1339206693 209134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /do/ hope you get that reference) < 1339206712 222332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339206730 869950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1339206753 742063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the computer game called "Potion of Confusing" in MegaZeux? < 1339206757 128049 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339206767 250817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339206844 413859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ if (runes.size() < NUMBER_OF_RUNES_NEEDED) < 1339206848 786583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use this and not runes_in_pack < 1339206849 591436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1339206881 470755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1339206887 103251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, still makes no sense < 1339207532 110252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go into the various doors to find the nice purple keys. You can open the door toward the west if you have enough keys. Hold second one as you hold a pencil. There are some gibbering mouther to the west locked up in the room behind the door. It is good idea if you can save them, please. Also, some of them like the potion of confusing as well, so it would be nice if you can give that to them too. < 1339207582 369842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also like to speak in confusing way and to eat your blood a bit too so you should learn that too, please. If you have any more potion of confusing remains, then you should quaff a potion of confusing too if you like to do so. Good luck, and goodbye! < 1339207656 212862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can save at any time, and can create multiple save files; it might be good idea to do so. However, you can always abandon the level you are on, and try it again later (it will restart if you have not completed it). Every time you exit a level (whether you win or lose), your stats are reset, so you cannot use ammunition or anything like that from one level in another one. < 1339207668 162816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this game is public domain, so you are free to do as you wish, please. < 1339207690 389510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard: I = identify player R = reset S = sound test Z = clear message row < 1339208253 855737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339208274 188996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, it's yo today < 1339208345 399981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this description of this game? < 1339208376 830939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't recognize that color < 1339208468 626423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be because it isn't one < 1339208609 183635 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339208644 632088 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1339208659 128037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MerlynKorr < 1339208661 911448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MerlynKorr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339208718 180395 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on... < 1339209033 691205 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1339209045 925956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how you can git blame some removed lines < 1339209051 281980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find out which commit removed a function < 1339209093 338108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :git log -S? < 1339209177 433679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank's < 1339209198 65379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339209200 187920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually removed it < 1339209203 202555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how convenient < 1339209347 510121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never was there in the first place? < 1339209355 53793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dun dun dun) < 1339210100 774555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How can I selectively revert hunks in my current changes? < 1339210108 138817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "git commit -p", but instead it undoes them. < 1339210541 371208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339210546 661876 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Internet is worse than I thought. < 1339210551 608364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP drops. < 1339210554 85098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP doesn't. < 1339210561 623029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you have to *work* to do that. < 1339210702 969820 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-153.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339211067 565013 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339211088 438322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1339211089 919532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something involving git-rebase? < 1339211107 696048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SPLITTING COMMITS section in git-rebase(1). < 1339211151 895237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they aren't committed yet. < 1339211158 789040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339211172 476863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like git-add -p, then. < 1339211177 747169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or git commit -p < 1339211282 250391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you're talking about adding, not committing. < 1339211288 723460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, git-add --interactive? < 1339211344 865918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just, like, lookin' at man pages here, man. < 1339211380 320300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like git-add --interactive's [r]evert will do what you want. < 1339211508 279852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1339211509 794027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankxxe. < 1339211731 521313 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i've found many connections where Mosh works, whereas IRC/ssh can't achieve a connection < 1339211749 657385 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the amount of packet loss you need to make TCP completely unusable is < 100% < 1339211812 141113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only takes 99.999...%! < 1339211815 717406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Worst Internet Argument. < 1339211946 228913 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339211956 891439 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else believed 0.99999… = 1? < 1339212038 4220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Actually, it's weird: for a second or two I get 100% packet drop, and then my TCP connections are dropped. < 1339212053 693477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While UDP keeps going. < 1339212154 533013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this a "make other people self-Godwin" trick? < 1339212302 287038 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ohh < 1339212303 940547 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd* < 1339212310 699088 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the TCP flow control rules memorized < 1339212317 460085 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should take more than a few seconds to drop a TCP connection < 1339212626 64706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there even a 'b' at the end of that "herb"? < 1339212644 782197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm suspecting it's broken equipment somewhere on my link. < 1339212655 368230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It should take *quite a while* for TCP to drop. < 1339212669 374828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes a mere fit of stupid in a NAT to drop TCP. < 1339212798 611491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1339212989 104485 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339212992 428933 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you look at the packets < 1339213040 534260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I wish strace could do that. :-( < 1339213062 718375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you straced User-Mode Linux. < 1339213240 213659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the packets, they do nothing! < 1339213386 166398 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339213388 634430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339213392 418782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey urbandictionary, who are you calling sub-human < 1339213463 439145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339213571 761072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20goggles!%20They%20do%20nothing! < 1339213596 839540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attractive Girl: "You're so right, I'll have sex with YOU now instead of that loser." < 1339214153 198651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-66.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339214298 968064 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339214719 733951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my ideas relating to typeclasses in Ibtlfmm, and local instances, then implicit parameters are the same thing and therefore do not need an extension like GHC's -XImplicitParams. You can simply do: sort :: a. (method cmp :: a -> a -> Bool) => [a] -> [a] So an implicit parameter is the same as a class method. < 1339215692 362349 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339216074 441878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339216096 966886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339216102 337447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1339216324 999430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10956419/why-isnt-every-type-part-of-eq-in-haskell < 1339217700 689715 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339217802 827270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339217967 406137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221592 378540 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221592 791045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339221592 950764 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221750 418820 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339221903 963708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sucks seeds
< 1339222198 655524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Hawking's "Reality is not a quality you can test with litmus paper." < 1339222295 830580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I agree with some of Penrose's ideas as well. < 1339222316 725072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I agree my own ideas instead, based on the mathematics and on what else I read and try to think about for myself < 1339222611 119971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion the proper theory must not only involve quantum mechanics but also general relativity, and that spacetime must be considered together rather than separated and relative rather than absolute. < 1339222664 181444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider my own interpretation: causality-breaking physics. < 1339222688 539525 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339222694 325304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339222696 284943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the true reality is that of mathematics. < 1339222728 88101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are cases in mathematics where more than one answer is possible; for example, a square root of 9 can be positive 3 or negative 3. < 1339222738 421313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So too it may be with the universe. < 1339222826 995185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the mathematics says one thing that people say is extremely crazy and impossible, but it is mathematically correct, then even if you don't believe it, I must believe it unless the experiment refutes it. < 1339222859 975680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of quantum interpretation did you like????? < 1339222869 968304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339222880 758247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339222897 890612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of quantum interpretation did you like????? < 1339222903 546383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1339222910 935990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many-worlds < 1339222942 236228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have uploaded the version of prelude-generalize tell me if you have a documentation I will add it on, if you want to reorder the exports that is OK too < 1339222954 601682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm working on that < 1339222970 200321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Read the log what I wrote what my opinion is of quantum interpretation see if you agree/disagree/partial/neutral. < 1339223049 214699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems... compatible with most interpretations of quantum physics < 1339223173 676290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really knowing much about quantum mechanics, general relativity, or physics in general < 1339223228 236707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you prefer quantum decoherence or collapse postulate? < 1339223237 647057 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quantum/macroscopic/ < 1339223322 526822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just see what fits better with experiments, if any. < 1339223396 946852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :both equally well < 1339223408 888333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have an opinion? < 1339223433 472074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, can you explain them to me? < 1339223445 43667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what "collapse postulate" means, although I know some things about wave function collapse. < 1339223460 529487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikipedia article for "collapse postulate" redirects to "wave function collapse". < 1339223501 634241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, it isn't something I have thought of much, although maybe I should < 1339223630 31935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think wave function collapse is simply the way to find the subset of the wave function which is considered to be measured. < 1339223637 141800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: macroscopic decoherence is many-worlds. it just says that the wavefunction never really collapses into a particular subset of decohered states. advantages are: it doesn't involve collapse (acausal, undifferentiable, nonlocal, unexplainable phenomenon that it is) disadvantages are: Born probabilities < 1339223720 166551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: collapse is the old-fashioned one. it says that the universe abandons a set of decoherent possible states at the point where they become "too large"...instantly and exactly as the Born probabilities would dictate (though it doesnt say why) < 1339223754 824726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, I am saying that wavefunction collapse is an emergent phenomenon. < 1339223765 652095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're Born probabilities? < 1339223847 274761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by "emergent" do you mean "magical"? < 1339223902 537032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the probability that a particular decohered amplitude distribution is the one in which we will find ourselves is equal to the square of the amplitude it contains < 1339223920 848445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339223970 660866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I mean emergent from the way the fundamental mathematics would be applied. < 1339224021 234925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: these days "emergent" is tossed around to mean "it just kinda happens when other stuff happens, but i'm not going to speculate on the details" < 1339224040 121878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, it is used in the place of an explanation rather than as a part of one < 1339224131 835556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be causality loops, and causality breaking, as I have written above. So causality breaking might place restrictions on the mathematics, and well as observation, so what you observe (including consciousness and so on, although this too is emergent) will be what agrees with the observer's state. < 1339224166 279930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Division by zero is not allowed, and this already makes some things emerge in physics, so it can do other things too. < 1339224219 338080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what you observe will be what agrees with your state" sounds an awful lot like a belief in macroscopic decoherence, while "there may be causality breaking" sounds like a belief in collapse < 1339224230 815989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are confused and should read more on the subject < 1339224285 756210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes perhaps I am a bit confused. I have read some books and some Wikipedia too, and I try to work the mathematics on paper and on computer too. < 1339224549 700592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my opinion, quantum states which are not part of the current point of view may be entangled with ones that are, for possible entanglement across multiverse. Note that I mean the multiverse that is related; not the Ultimate Multiverse. < 1339224604 185251 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339224871 973468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'd be careful or Marvel may sue you. < 1339224985 138447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Ultimate Multiverse I mean what Brian Greene wrote about where everything that is mathematically correct is mathematically exist as some kind of universe. < 1339225025 59391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it is restricted to computable mathematical formulae, but I disagree with this; it should be everything whether computable or not.) < 1339225214 727094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reality" cannot possibly be more than what you define it to be; otherwise it is nothing. < 1339225279 914439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot call something an objective reality in these kind of physics; you just say the mathematics is this and that and so on, and the experiment will be like this and that and so on. < 1339225339 823011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambiguity should be OK, as long as it is mathematically meaningful. < 1339225450 337693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a mathematics tell you the probability of something is greater than 1, then that would mean is more likely than being definitely, and that seems impossible, but if mathematics tell you the answer is such a thing, how do you know that there is no such things as more likely than being definitely? < 1339226363 511106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When discussing all these things about interpretation of physics, they cannot always involve science and sometimes they involve philosophy instead, but they also involve mathematics, too. < 1339226455 986535 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If mathematics tells you that the probability of something is more than 1, you should check your calculations... < 1339226483 725729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Well, yes, one possibility is that you have miscalculated, so you should check. < 1339226507 51397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is the only possibility in that case < 1339226513 890434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you have some strange ideas < 1339226533 600027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know my ideas are strange < 1339226677 482500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a probability really is greater than 1, you still use the same rules of probability as otherwise, so if probability of one thing is 2 and another independent thing is 1/2 you can multiply for the probablility of both happening must be 1 so it must happen for sure. I do not know if this is possible but if it is possible then I would think it must work like this < 1339226710 968284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339226802 37598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probabilities must be in (0,1) in the real world. just like infinity doesn't actually exist in the real world. < 1339226903 82302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, now you are talking about the "real world" again; but reality is not a quality that can be measured by litmus paper. < 1339227236 878640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do not agree that a probability can be 2 (I am not quite sure either), would you agree that if it is possible, then you would still multiply them like I described? < 1339227283 442379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a mathematical proof that it is impossible but I don't know of any. < 1339227798 723466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339227801 891144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339227850 269508 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A probability greater than 1 is a bit silly < 1339227860 852834 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the same rules still apply, you can make anything as probable as you want < 1339227873 591910 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just repeatedly do the thing that has a probability >1 < 1339227880 343544 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the improbable thing < 1339227886 123674 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*0.00001 < 1339227901 179688 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Needs more 2^n but you get the point) < 1339227945 345477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do that there needs to be seven independent events having a probability of 2 < 1339227979 235273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what you are saying, though. < 1339227989 172164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still I am unsure, due to a few reasons. < 1339228119 784836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In future once result is known, the probability from that point changes. It may lead to paradoxes such as the probability becoming less once the first event is known to occur, but this does not seem to be truly a mathematical contradiction. < 1339228189 340641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is from the point of view; it doesn't necessarily have to do specifically with space and/or time. < 1339228199 928903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply has to do with known/unknown. < 1339228247 677301 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf have you been smoking < 1339228334 19784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there may be things which can only be known together or which it is impossible to know two things at once, and other ways where the probability gets used, rather than in the way which is most familiar. < 1339228339 921534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't smoke. < 1339228856 260025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have the even-more-dubious honour of having my code removed from Uncyclopedia < 1339228888 495670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take that, Gregor < 1339229042 128532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ADVENTURE TIME < 1339229631 921308 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never thought I'd see zzo38 discussing philosophy. Not sure why. < 1339230219 941488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think of philosophy a lot. < 1339230262 309312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339230263 586539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339230288 408321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone tell me if there exists an IM client with a text-based interface and Skype combatability? < 1339230295 567802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compatibility < 1339230407 935915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of any. < 1339230678 139165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339231160 256701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my Yahoo! account getting spam in Persian? < 1339231199 753484 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is it acceptable if you have to have the graphical client running /somewhere/, but can use the text client for all other purposes? Because the libpurple plugin uses the proprietary client's API. < 1339231229 487451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible < 1339231865 366060 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339231989 270634 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1339232242 661460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know, if you like the description of the computer game "Potion of Confusing" which I have written above? It is the text which appears in the game. < 1339233571 620370 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339233686 643152 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339234393 389773 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339234658 194472 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339236024 458686 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339236329 821091 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339236655 366914 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339237043 664388 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339237049 372086 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339237310 62458 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239227 569323 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339239235 49547 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239235 411929 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339239235 571908 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239425 391589 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339239708 4203 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339239727 686371 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339241446 912617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339242541 577190 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339242599 632820 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. I thing I managed to mess something up: < 1339242611 776648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oonbotti MODE oonbotti :+i < 1339242611 952700 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG oonbotti :I see. And what does that tell you? < 1339242612 113542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1339242612 113737 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG oonbotti :How do you feel when you say that? < 1339242612 113844 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi (Excess Flood) < 1339242614 130186 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG RROR :Can you elaborate on that? < 1339242677 804230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339242982 200298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, clearly it is failing < 1339243480 301840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243803 466706 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243939 38593 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243989 96067 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it answers you if you contact it by /msg oonbotti message < 1339244011 407529 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still execute commands with /msg oonbotti command < 1339244111 407796 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339244146 696729 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339244342 632355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I've now seen three photos of Shamus Young, and in none of them does he look like he does in any of the others. < 1339244378 78947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one's Shamus Young again? < 1339244391 239539 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM of the Rings guy. < 1339244395 762344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339244410 53750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also several other things, like former ActiveWorlds dev. < 1339244438 183475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1339245864 704707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any MML -> MOD/S3M/IT/XM? < 1339245906 589250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339245911 22832 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339245981 31075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339246003 18410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I think of something else to obfuscate? < 1339246022 304537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think I can < 1339246078 306214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write music for a computer game I make? < 1339246085 147084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1339246090 782021 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1339246092 404227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no musical talent whatsoever < 1339246137 42408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Gregor knows? < 1339246156 497150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps madbrr knows? < 1339246620 90340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you play Pokemon Card? < 1339247188 351641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, used to collect them < 1339247206 793181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really got far < 1339247227 183462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't collect any cards, but I sometimes play the game < 1339247316 993473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339247317 178343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339247370 496359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rules would you prefer to adjust in Magic: the Gathering? < 1339247378 619643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played it < 1339247397 932952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only custom-deck card game I've actually played is Sopio < 1339247493 642944 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339247677 560254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is really fun! < 1339247678 647618 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339247940 908216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339247950 308952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339248154 483172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the rule that a aura which is also a creature is discarded; I dislike the rule that a token ceasing to exist as a state-based effect (in my opinion it should instead be based on initial states of objects); I think being unable to draw a card should be an immediate loss (rather than state-based effect); I think many of the rules are klugy < 1339248461 773518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be nice, having tasked based subsets of your Application menu in xfce. Like you select which group of programs to show launch icons for directly in your task bar < 1339248478 203089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, one group for C coding, another for photo editing work and so on < 1339248506 963585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I were to have all the icons there all the time, it would take up too much space < 1339248577 252745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be even more useful under windows, since under linux it is fairly easy to start programs from the shell instead < 1339248680 77940 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339248689 691518 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1339248726 293725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: OK < 1339248774 935582 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK what? < 1339248864 222263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339248869 340426 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339248870 410533 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339248913 887116 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1339249202 526893 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was testing Cathode < 1339249505 398891 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339249943 441688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, Cathode? < 1339250291 548652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339250291 746491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339250477 637592 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339250486 325755 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339250558 402245 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339250558 586086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339250939 425718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda bored < 1339251246 347093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do something < 1339251251 37335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read book < 1339251257 438725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished a book < 1339251262 728811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have so many to choose from < 1339251265 402623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, read another book? < 1339251266 705755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a book < 1339251283 658623 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you read 1984? If you haven't read it < 1339251286 921596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, use a RNG to decide which book to read next < 1339251290 367918 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+then < 1339251303 231200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, don't own a copy < 1339251305 176242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, or go read tvtropes < 1339251315 570087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm avoiding TVTropes < 1339251326 815554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why? < 1339251333 595050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are bored you have some spare time < 1339251335 637368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just do it < 1339251338 171662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do other things this evening < 1339251346 406180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play Super ASCII MZX Town < 1339251355 393190 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: borrow it from library. or if you live in australi or canada download it as it is under public domain there < 1339251363 788446 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339251372 291688 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local library is closed < 1339251379 167305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm an Australian citizen... < 1339251379 611738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how can it already be under public domain there? < 1339251407 149129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 50 years after death of author (1950)=2000 < 1339251408 449451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I hope you have an ebook reader then, reading long texts on a normal monitor is horrible < 1339251412 272807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1339251786 276461 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have still to wait 8 years before it will be under public domain here < 1339251795 448402 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still have < 1339251818 270685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, where is "here"? < 1339251826 107589 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland < 1339251828 844382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339252082 823150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339252098 71951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi < 1339252102 902001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339252103 89983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339252107 312772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1339252112 481022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular chap < 1339252118 914565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339252119 962951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so < 1339252128 170330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1339252139 463181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is coming from someone who had over 1800 friends on facebook < 1339252184 365560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play Super ASCII MZX Town, perhaps. < 1339252735 910711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @DanielWagner: that's right I meant functions without parameters (variables?): a against a -> b for example. – L01man 4 hours ago < 1339253363 165343 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I would like to know, if you like the description of the computer game "Potion of Confusing" which I have written above? It is the text which appears in the game." <<< you mean that whole thing about maths and probabilities over 1? < 1339253447 438470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No! < 1339253450 407932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the other one < 1339253460 799434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above that; search log perhaps < 1339253918 234911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339254284 904114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're no good at this oklopol < 1339254358 726319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a week of free time and decent programming experience. Give me everything you've got on Haskell. (self.haskell) < 1339254362 515607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahhhhh go away < 1339254371 832765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you at the top of /r/haskell < 1339254389 43666 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. I started reading tvtropes half an hour ago and I can't stop < 1339254456 414485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you can never stop < 1339254461 321402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best you can take a break, but you will be back < 1339254546 752567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what works is realising it's boring and closing the tabs < 1339254551 557848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1339254568 37240 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no tabs < 1339254573 517677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=pNuUNHlsPgI < 1339254575 922463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have two problems < 1339254590 28764 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339254667 682298 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...and points out that needlessly killing other students is not the best way to go about things." < 1339254671 45024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is the weather doing < 1339254677 138649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rain < 1339254681 981313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: help < 1339254694 951737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you outside? < 1339254698 408392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339254705 951853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your roof leaking? < 1339254707 429445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's REALLY FUCKING SPOOKY that I can ask Taneb what the weather is and he'll have the same answer is me < 1339254710 207373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels telepathic < 1339254894 706291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's too much rain we'll run out ofrain < 1339254903 368203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will stop raining < 1339254915 276623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was raining when I joined this channel, I believe < 1339254933 981970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not observe the weather when I joined this channel < 1339254969 473864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it is raining < 1339255011 641818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was raining more a few seconds ago < 1339255181 20749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how much did you bumble hundle pay < 1339255187 912535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT YET < 1339255206 462646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creis < 1339255208 933311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ys < 1339255217 310799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys? < 1339255223 532289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys < 1339255230 970532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how much WILL you pay < 1339255235 161675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$10 ! < 1339255262 353884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ha! That's below the Linux user average! < 1339255264 657811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're terrible. < 1339255277 412638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm gonna pretend to be a Windows user < 1339255299 752558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pay less than $15, fizzie and whoever else it was will look down on you. < 1339255301 603878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me. < 1339255304 396188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORT EH GRATER GOOD < 1339255305 965687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT & SHAMING < 1339255405 606222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRING IT ON < 1339255409 600834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255410 376226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255411 300776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255412 80783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255413 646649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255415 590533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255417 346668 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first tell me which I should download first < 1339255417 592045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255419 593149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255448 759964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion or Psychonauts I guess? < 1339255457 970762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd watch you play Amnesia. < 1339255472 558307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already bought it twice; computer isn't good enough to play it < 1339255481 876996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339255493 223214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the second time I bought it with Steam < 1339255495 275875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not play Amensia yourself? < 1339255501 936808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So future me with a better computer can play it < 1339255502 96415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Obvious reasons. < 1339255514 471918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would watch you play Amensia if you had a face cam in the video :P < 1339255556 256477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These games are too big. :( < 1339255565 494654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts is a whole four gigabytes. < 1339255567 799709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway Bastion is by far the best game in the bundle. And that is because Psychonauts has some control and interface issues from being ported from consoles < 1339255570 364038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it late at night in the summer < 1339255575 228474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take, like, MINUTES to download. < 1339255585 755723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, took me half an hour :/ < 1339255594 870892 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HUNGER < 1339255595 844400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably take me an hour or two, at the least. < 1339255596 346148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1339255607 301983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1339255613 612366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection is slow. < 1339255614 527737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you had faster internet < 1339255619 768944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 8 mbit/s here < 1339255625 706203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. < 1339255631 655359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might have been a bit more than half an hour actually < 1339255637 707603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hour perhaps? < 1339255644 393766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was maxing out my connection though < 1339255664 262425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use the BitTorrent downloads but my connection can't seed. < 1339255669 950258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I've tried forcing encryption and different ports.) < 1339255674 687852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, the port is forwarded.) < 1339255679 387083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what my ISP is doing.) < 1339255679 861660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh why can't it seed then? < 1339255685 467499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339255693 561366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my upstream isn't very good. But I'm assuming it's *some* kind of filtering. < 1339255696 239202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, checked the computer firewall as well? < 1339255705 365822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ufw under ubuntu or whatever < 1339255707 579502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Other connections in work fine. < 1339255711 929505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339255712 935058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is with Arch and OS X. < 1339255713 692342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea then < 1339255732 374108 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339255744 944210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right IP reported to tracker? < 1339255759 291632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not. < 1339255761 534782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How plot-driven is LIMBO? < 1339255766 442981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some issues with some torrent client (µtorrent iirc?) reporting the internal IP instead < 1339255767 784818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to play Psychonauts or Bastion right now. < 1339255781 142732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, LIMBO is scary. Not quite Amnesia level < 1339255781 647061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've tried Transmission and rtorrent. < 1339255782 948764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1339255800 332048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not scared of anything. Apart from lots of things. :( < 1339255803 599835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktorrent worked well for me under linux < 1339255820 735758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very pretty, from the trailer. < 1339255822 597429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not go for sword and sworcery < 1339255826 277434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked funky < 1339255835 549875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played it yet. Though I did download it < 1339255847 433518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that not plot driven? The pretension of putting "EP" in the title of a game blinded me to the possibility that it might not be. < 1339255853 916760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would say all the games in the original bundle had exceptional art styles. < 1339255870 45883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP delivers a completely fresh adventure gaming experience, defying conventions to develop a unique kind of storytelling." < 1339255874 459295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The plot is unveiled in "sessions," [...]" etc. < 1339255905 315736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has a funky main menu with a spnning LP. If you grab it with the cursor the music stops < 1339255910 311462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why < 1339255913 112481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1339255956 974897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could play Braid too if you haven't already. Very fun, though quite pretentious. < 1339255968 74448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339255972 604605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a simple exercise to get me acquainted with Haskell, after idling around on Youtube and stumbling into the American Countdown game show, I wanted to make a solver for the Numbers game." < 1339255974 920081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :American?! < 1339255976 69611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERICAN?! < 1339255977 688019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU < 1339255985 496690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: We have someone to kill. < 1339255989 787757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I would strongly recommend playing Bastion. It is utterly awesome. < 1339255995 34424 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whom? < 1339256001 30271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will play Bastion. Just not right now. < 1339256010 528361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my Mac will handle it well enough. < 1339256015 426172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The person who asked this question. < 1339256019 376427 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339256021 139297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They called Countdown American. < 1339256024 423247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a statement < 1339256024 879398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, check the system requirements? < 1339256027 726541 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339256027 886022 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339256032 491479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BASTARDS < 1339256042 111969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt my alphabet from Countdown! < 1339256049 182546 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me years to get the order < 1339256058 983338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I /still/ suck at anagrams < 1339256064 151640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consonant, vowel, consonant, another consonant, vowel... < 1339256064 311462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway super meat boy while it has a story it is just really a cut scene at the start and at the end of each world < 1339256067 383030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I learnt my alphabet from Countdown! < 1339256068 813882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could play that < 1339256082 959302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering SMB. But I think I don't need to be more frustrated than I am. < 1339256091 547261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, looks like I meet the minimum sysreqs for Bastion. < 1339256100 115769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh come on it is a fun game! < 1339256112 408381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend using a pad though < 1339256126 779661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, SMB has steep processor requirements for Mac. < 1339256126 939503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have one, but I tried playing it with a pad at a friends house, much easier!) < 1339256129 696876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 Ghz" < 1339256155 858055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is more than my laptop (2.26 GHz) < 1339256161 771099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.13 here. < 1339256168 146046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably work fine. I hope. < 1339256169 433174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :way less than my desktop (core i7 3.4 GHz) < 1339256178 12715 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339256186 151522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah if you don't have a pad, SMB will be frustrating < 1339256200 640817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS3 controllers work on computers, right? < 1339256201 72249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual core 2x2.1GHz < 1339256204 135144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll purchase myself one. < 1339256231 229509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc xbox controllers work on computers as well < 1339256231 666150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a wired XBox controller somewhere < 1339256236 702522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1339256245 752963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you need a bluetooth adaptor for wireless ones < 1339256247 528320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't like the look of the Xbox controller much. < 1339256251 91313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah < 1339256261 947193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not? < 1339256265 517422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I find the DualShock design close to optimal. < 1339256278 514295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox 360 one is more curvy, which seems like it'd be harder to grip. < 1339256286 587104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the d-pad looks not as good. < 1339256291 593858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't ever actually used one, so YMMV. < 1339256293 265279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the feel of the XBox 360 < 1339256310 330867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never used a PS3 one and haven't used a PS2 one for YEARS < 1339256314 872945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I do wish the left analogue stick and d-pad were swapped on the DualShock. < 1339256340 682554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wii Classic Controller is pretty awful < 1339256416 486782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should probably eat. < 1339256430 770049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is generally a good idea < 1339256432 622644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay < 1339256447 477551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1.1GB of Bastion downloaded < 1339256449 561018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Admittedly, I haven't played on a PS3. < 1339256459 57958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339256460 924569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I've played on a PS2. < 1339256465 456348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the DualShock 3 looks basically the same. < 1339256465 842013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played much on either < 1339256479 953150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not the N64 controller < 1339256485 597767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's been years. But I liked the controller. < 1339256487 819618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what a crazy design) < 1339256498 332105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have three hands. < 1339256502 940789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1339256516 774690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GameCube controller is weird too. < 1339256522 886176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I stole that third-hand joke: < 1339256525 112613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote third hand < 1339256525 600114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339256528 467770 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :607) I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. < 1339256529 385583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/gamecube-controller.jpg) < 1339256564 287103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah quite strange < 1339256573 173401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNES controller was good though < 1339256582 228559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1339256586 506553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of grips isn't ideal. < 1339256587 371441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339256590 806086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339256594 97428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handles. Whatever you call them. < 1339256598 450946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339256599 43798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it has minimalist appeal, though. < 1339256622 517216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then surely the NES one is even better < 1339256632 207918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about that strange one earlier that had a keypads < 1339256634 486984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :keypad* < 1339256635 800551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's uglier :P < 1339256653 563416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember which system it was on < 1339256655 954629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nesprojects.com/Images/Original/NES%20TV%20Remote.jpg I... see. < 1339256733 277088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339256741 415292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also horrible lag atm due to swap trashing < 1339256742 857483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1339256783 63876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have swap trashing? how big is you RAM? < 1339256799 115594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GB on this laptop. But I'm running an upgrade of an OS in qemu < 1339256820 521395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows xp 64-bit) < 1339257550 469858 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339257779 418328 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339257791 272655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Bastion'd be easier with a mouse < 1339257811 756418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, stuff < 1339257812 705326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339257900 312008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes obviously < 1339257944 682228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi" < 1339257967 551682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, does Bastion use the mouse? < 1339257978 412942 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!jousturl ../report.c < 1339257988 562199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it was originally an xbox live arcade game. So it works on controller too < 1339257990 964456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1339257997 722888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the command < 1339257998 953974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it works well with wasd and mouse for aiming < 1339258004 253903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and shooting) < 1339258021 653867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll get a gamepad, then. < 1339258027 465403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1339258033 371109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it works very well with a mouse < 1339258042 444189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier to aim even < 1339258045 432599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a mouse connected to a working computer. < 1339258047 244540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: get the link to report.c to appear :P < 1339258051 793881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1339258052 336999 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339258053 597318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339258054 292845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustreport < 1339258056 531426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1339258065 759042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as report.c it's not anywhere in there < 1339258066 565025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mouse a mouse from a non-working computer to a working one? < 1339258068 243288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the hg repo < 1339258076 649743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mouse a mouse :P < 1339258081 731246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :move* < 1339258084 575957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have nowhere to put this mac that would support a mouse < 1339258086 770498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah funny typo < 1339258090 652224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lap-based mousing sounds awkward < 1339258099 324183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm yeah it does < 1339258112 262605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what sort of input device does it currently have? < 1339258141 628541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touchpad. < 1339258152 460020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... played Minecraft with it. < 1339258162 71261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I did most of the Cube work with it. < 1339258163 65990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1339258167 465469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't the most convenient thing. < 1339258180 197523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://bitbucket.org/GregorR < 1339258186 945528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway psychonauts uses the mouse to look as well < 1339258188 144913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he hasn't imported it yet < 1339258190 196295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasd to move < 1339258253 14568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh. cant hg here. i'll do it later. < 1339258272 184734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You realise bitbucket lets you download the files without hg, right? But it's not there, anyway. < 1339258289 247192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think bastion would work well with a trackpoint too < 1339258291 356155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have one < 1339258300 279238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't. < 1339258306 577598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339258318 727209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/ffe171208ae9/multibot_cmds/interps/bfjoust/report.c < 1339258320 462812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome. < 1339258324 422305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iei < 1339258366 553337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sword and sworcery seems to be kind of like a point and click, but it has actual fighting mechanics and what not < 1339258369 85246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1339258399 163326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monkey Island has fighting mechanics too :P < 1339258403 805511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just happen to be trivial. < 1339258407 948787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean sword and shield stuff < 1339258413 106736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are fairly trivial here too < 1339258425 114793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is attack and block, but there is an element of timing < 1339258426 580581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh cant see why my code wouldnt work then. weirds. < 1339258445 66176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also a chase scene early on. That is unusual < 1339258458 217932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a point and click I mean < 1339258476 44534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great sound track though < 1339258499 547268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah play amnesia :P < 1339258546 761326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339258578 48040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the OST is named "Sword & Sworcery: The Ballad of the Space Babies" according to the cover.jpg included in the zip < 1339258581 137358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339258586 311257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1339258597 476963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. The track titles are just as strange < 1339258672 144102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Prettiest Weed, Ode To A Room, Bones McCoy, Little Furnace, Activating Trigons, How We Get Old, And We Got Older are some of the stranger titles < 1339258687 708411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we get old???? < 1339258689 235008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1339258755 59467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good music though < 1339258758 958558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodgort: trigons < 1339258763 612359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339258770 921345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thats in the humblemusic bundle 3? < 1339258781 463680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rodgort/elliott/ < 1339258785 991993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, eh? < 1339258803 685137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, sound track for one of the games in the humble bundle 5 < 1339258804 442898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where didst get s&s ost < 1339258805 135638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The Humble Bundle comes with soundtracks now. < 1339258808 117658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339258809 821955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1339258813 565589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the humble music bundle? < 1339258816 680834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should download that < 1339258819 20162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bundle of humble music < 1339258822 522251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339258825 711568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1339258839 550032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bastion has one of the best sound tracks ever < 1339258842 512264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually afaik there is no actual such thing < 1339258849 123026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1339258849 282864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is an indie game music bundle 3 < 1339258853 266928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1339258856 421056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "humble" does not appear in its name < 1339258862 454684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesnt < 1339258865 602042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difference < 1339258903 448326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts sound track is a bit hectic, works well in the game though. Not quite as nice when you listen to it separately < 1339258958 468732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, one of the iMUSE guys did the Psychonauts soundtrack. < 1339258960 512348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not surprising. < 1339258971 489879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he also did Grim Fandango. < 1339258975 393932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have you played Grim Fandango? < 1339258984 683495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1339259001 180716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, don't. The controls are the most unbearable thing in the universe. But apart from that it's brilliant. < 1339259009 557561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339259020 480177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it like that horrible 3D monkey island? < 1339259021 310961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a 3D point-and-click adventure game where you have to use the keyboard to move around and click things.) < 1339259022 614755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339259024 827605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same interface. < 1339259027 145595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339259039 120435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same engine. < 1339259042 812971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339259049 448166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt scummvm runs it < 1339259053 348401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OTOH, unlike the Monkey Island 4, which is a terrible game, it's a really good game instead. < 1339259058 346953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339259062 674032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a subproject to run games with the GrimE engine. < 1339259065 160851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how far along it is. < 1339259071 943681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/ResidualVM < 1339259075 390922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.residualvm.org/ < 1339259082 494959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have reached a rather important milestone for ResidualVM, we are gearing up for our first release, which will support Grim Fandango. To make sure that we don't have any big showstoppers, we need your help." < 1339259092 459420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know they released MI1 and MI2 with new graphics as special edition some time ago? < 1339259094 439186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But probably it's easier to just use Wine or something.) < 1339259096 310263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1339259114 506738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy they did it, but I didn't buy it, because I'm happy with the originals and in any case probably won't replay them any time soon. < 1339259116 129787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw a bit of an LP of MI2 SE, looked nice, and had some quite nice voice acting < 1339259125 692465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of surprised they spent so much work on it < 1339259129 409144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did finish MI2. :( < 1339259135 791119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished all three < 1339259142 804165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the final "boss fight" but never managed to defeat LeChuck. < 1339259147 831484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also MI3 is my favourite. < 1339259156 441356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I kept freaking out because of the time constraints and then jumping when he appeared. < 1339259176 271343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I love the pirate song in MI3 < 1339259179 483822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like CMI too, but come on, Gilbert wasn't even involved! < 1339259185 308386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMI? < 1339259188 414215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339259188 946536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse of Monkey Island. < 1339259189 838297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MI3 < 1339259189 998265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third one. < 1339259192 710704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339259197 530296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's the one I have strongest memories of. < 1339259204 544303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think MI2 is probably the slightly better game. < 1339259209 336995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the pirate song is awesome < 1339259217 52927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that one. < 1339259219 403069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played MI1 on an Atari ST! < 1339259222 229298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the puzzles of MI1 < 1339259224 774168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wer efun < 1339259228 484217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :were fun* < 1339259236 117120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was... uh... fun, I guess. < 1339259236 276781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too easy though < 1339259244 731854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know the original MI1 release had an even more complicated interface? < 1339259249 965599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold: < 1339259256 122817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the chicken with pulley though < 1339259259 309017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.photobucket.com/image/monkey%20island%201/ATMachine/mimisc1/mi1egafac17.png < 1339259268 239296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't launch a browse atm due to swap trashing < 1339259274 693545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe wget and eog? < 1339259278 47736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct link is http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ATMachine/mimisc1/mi1egafac17.png < 1339259281 23703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1339259305 111075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between "Turn on" and "Use" is, like, paramount, man. < 1339259316 287651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for eog to load XD < 1339259327 738559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, do you mean "thrashing"?) < 1339259342 16920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah typo < 1339259369 799373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah that is a silly interface < 1339259396 269622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the radial menu in the special editions and CMI is far better if you need to both push and pull something < 1339259397 205514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMI's interface is very good. < 1339259400 646387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO. < 1339259403 585179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339259415 918838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of interface in the special editions < 1339259425 206877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suspect that it's a little bit more complicated than it needs to be. < 1339259439 208109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like the special edition graphics style far better than the CMI graphics style < 1339259441 10595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "use" vs. "talk to" distinction isn't really ever useful and is only funny to misuse ~three times. < 1339259461 122445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I love CMI's style. < 1339259474 608989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very... vivid. < 1339259494 48309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too strong lines in it. < 1339259500 9591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cartoony < 1339259539 279533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know Crawl has a Monkey Island reference??? < 1339259543 857079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339259548 323926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the reference? < 1339259566 833219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the battle mechanics in CMI are better than in MI1, due to the rhyming < 1339259708 97339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a demonic skull called Murray in hell. < 1339259723 493364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339260808 612058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339260830 93852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games are intrinsically monoidal < 1339260831 209411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339260842 434849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339260850 90860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semigroupal, at least < 1339260858 213975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a word?) < 1339260918 406955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider < 1339260919 690972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1339260929 444370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplification of Snakes and Ladders < 1339260948 71703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or snakes and ladders, it doesn't actually need simplifying < 1339260975 662772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A player can choose six moves < 1339260986 78319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from six < 1339261005 82654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the move is chosen via a die is irrelevant < 1339261069 865108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The die can choose from six moves. < 1339261084 271622 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dice games are actually just that, games for dice. < 1339261092 662794 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're just the equipment they use to move the pieces. < 1339261120 286450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also useful tools for explaining my thought < 1339261120 847005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1339261133 733511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be a lot more complicated if I chose to explain using Chess < 1339261149 179502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5, 3" is a section of a game-log < 1339261158 86019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "2,5" < 1339261177 232455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2, 5) <> (3) == 2 <> (5, 3) < 1339261185 84398 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== "2, 5, 3" < 1339261247 140120 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339261269 427736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, this may lead to invalid gamestates < 1339261308 964955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that doesn't explain drinking games < 1339261325 474725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Method of suicide for drinks. < 1339261331 29231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339261336 114432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more like Russian roulette. < 1339261354 578458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1339261375 710667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you may be mixing up drinking with drinks < 1339261450 962161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does "foo = foo; foo + foo;" pass through haskells typechecker? < 1339261453 158245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no < 1339261462 375917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the "foo + foo" part of it. < 1339261482 57062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = foo in foo < 1339261482 958130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. t < 1339261493 551712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: t, yes. < 1339261496 887181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obvious. < 1339261501 154753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any t < 1339261503 532356 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any t at all < 1339261505 934779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bat there is no instance Num for t? < 1339261507 784524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1339261515 855406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including t's for which Num is defined < 1339261530 349414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) < 1339261531 149965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = (foo :: Int) in foo < 1339261531 308959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1339261532 70786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int < 1339261558 342572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it knows is that foo is the same type as foo < 1339261565 943155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be an Int, for all Haskell knows < 1339261583 461139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let foo = foo in foo == _|_ < 1339261584 327729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So t is literally "of any type"? < 1339261592 223508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell may deduce everything out of it? < 1339261596 882864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339261627 276362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1339261660 32110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Principle of explosion < 1339261685 948874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I get error messages like Could not deduce Num ~ a < 1339261694 567080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to manually tell ghc that it is Num. < 1339261699 602985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I think this USB memory stick is dead. < 1339261710 395239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's happened to me before < 1339261712 284885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was surprised that it can deduce Num ~ t in the case of foo = foo < 1339261720 415393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one day I actually did my Latin homework < 1339261721 284435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I didn't have anything important on it, but now I need to find another one to transfer this stuff < 1339261731 548813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Num is not a type. < 1339261734 798242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, all that was on it was a bootable linux distro < 1339261740 964552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a type class, yes. < 1339261743 666735 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339261748 306338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that you will never get such an error message. < 1339261755 876297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you learn latin? < 1339261757 501101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339261758 218842 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339261763 973980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than Spanish < 1339261767 686907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339261772 743496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not go for French? < 1339261776 670590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "Could not deduce T ~ a" is a misleading error message; what it really means is "You used an 'a' where I expected a 'T'"; "Type mismatch: T =/= a but you're treating them the same", and so on. < 1339261787 874057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French was compulsory, I enjoyed latin more < 1339261799 881550 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = foo in replicate foo 'a' < 1339261800 881632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] < 1339261804 334072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thnk < 1339261805 901365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo = foo in replicate foo 'a' < 1339261807 770215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah I see < 1339261809 611509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339261812 145259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I think < 1339261821 393474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Foo a where doStuff :: a -> a -> a < 1339261829 459124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, here English is compulsory. And I took French as the optional one < 1339261832 954524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Foo Bar where doStuff q = q + q produces such an error message < 1339261844 410644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously Swedish is compulsory too < 1339261850 997074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1339261857 69608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ghc has no chance of knowing that Num a => < 1339261866 367744 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I've escaped English and French < 1339261870 154447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You will never see the message "Could not deduce Num ~ a", except possibly when using ConstraintKinds. < 1339261876 201102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how? You live in UK < 1339261881 306107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't escape English < 1339261882 276964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6th form < 1339261883 944972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may see "Could not deduce Num a" or "Could not deduce Int ~ a", though. < 1339261889 328025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subject, not the language < 1339261892 831583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no clue what that means in Swedish terms < 1339261907 505261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means I'm old enough to specialize < 1339261911 634673 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT IS TIME TO COOK < 1339261912 756448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339262227 252285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339262232 849036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS TIME TO CHAT < 1339262233 753315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell < 1339262234 293013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262239 660222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262249 575504 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262256 409262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262334 894331 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262342 429014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262525 658956 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, alas, nothing is everything < 1339262530 4564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except fix id < 1339262531 843054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id < 1339262532 707004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1339262542 976117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id + fix id < 1339262543 926167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a < 1339262557 491964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id >> fix id < 1339262558 518281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => m b < 1339262559 314232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fix can;t id im newr in potins < 1339262570 204425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id <> fix id < 1339262571 124895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc < 1339262580 150982 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id `mappend` fix id < 1339262581 160823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Monoid a) => a < 1339262587 382287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id `mplus` fix id < 1339262588 388718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => m a < 1339262588 921345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) is mappend in lambdabot < 1339262589 800249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfyi < 1339262593 663889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (++) < 1339262594 626723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall m. (Monoid m) => m -> m -> m < 1339262597 95522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1339262611 43827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate (fix id) (fix id) < 1339262611 991950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] < 1339262627 586451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (sum . replicate 1) < 1339262628 584563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a < 1339262639 717109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (sum . replicate 1) < 1339262643 431533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339262654 643070 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trivia, this is either 1 or 0) < 1339262668 936577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or _|_) < 1339262675 521145 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or infinity) < 1339262689 466536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it isn't, it's any number) < 1339262701 998376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (head . replicate 1) < 1339262705 713718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339262711 226114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 1) < 1339262743 51461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1339262747 383786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (head . replicate 1) < 1339262755 927685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1339262775 445243 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pushing my gf to learn Haskell likely to make her a better programmer? < 1339262775 890171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix < 1339262776 851708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a < 1339262780 565498 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She seems to be under that impression < 1339262794 779706 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, better at Haskell programming < 1339262797 20234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After I expressed guilt about not doing much for her after she helped fix up my resume) < 1339262826 96475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse at C programming, Java programming, Python programming, Go programming, JavaScript programming, C# programming, C++ programming < 1339262849 636806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly programming, D programming, Lisp programming, Visual Basic programming, PHP programming, ASP programming < 1339262851 866774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1339262867 629852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Category theory < 1339262870 72721 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, by spoiling her? < 1339262919 309500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's pretty damn addictive < 1339262931 710038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gives false impressions about category theory < 1339263163 360218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339263242 976755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now I have no idea what a Functor actually /is/ < 1339263293 206501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 whats a flower < 1339263371 868041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its when you ground up wheat < 1339263372 73205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339263375 510016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339263375 694995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 16h 56m 2s ago: elliott: I can confirm that I have no clue what kuskelar the clatsop man is doing < 1339263379 250429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank's < 1339263418 779470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the what? < 1339263427 467637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bfjoust warrior < 1339263432 435400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . replicate 1 < 1339263433 513374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1339263441 48904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1339263922 870617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then learn what a functor is. A functor is homomorphism of a category to another category (possibly the same one, in which case it is endofunctor) < 1339263952 209444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise I have a very poor idea of most of the words in that sentence? < 1339263962 533006 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play with modal logic for a bit < 1339263972 650468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think possibility is a Monad < 1339264027 738489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, a monad is endofunctor having two additional operations defined (in Haskell, called return and join) satisfying certain laws. < 1339264036 68372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, elliott, you might know what this is called because we don't: what's it called where you have a family of things that sort-of obey the comonad laws, except that instead of it being the same comonad each time, it's a different member of the family? < 1339264052 254010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't quite understan < 1339264052 756460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1339264055 320552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\nd/d/ < 1339264075 665419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor class in Haskell is for endofunctors on (->) category < 1339264087 465031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have laws like "if you have an Mx, you can get an MMx", right? < 1339264102 749387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is "if you have an (M_i)x, you can get an (M_j)(M_k)x" < 1339264121 423200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on with the other comonad laws < 1339264246 356731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1339264249 79775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps an indexed comonad? < 1339264252 177333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed monads look like < 1339264271 556804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) :: (IMonad m) => m i j a -> (a -> m j k b) -> m j k b < 1339264280 75667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a "transition" < 1339264311 589980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339264312 104954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (>>=) = undefined :: m i j a -> (a -> m j k b) -> m j k b in (>>= id) < 1339264313 141736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> * -> * -> *) i j k b. m i j (m j k b) -> m j k b < 1339264316 800361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have < 1339264325 290258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: m i j (m j k a) -> m j k a < 1339264328 131624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have < 1339264337 677138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: w j k a -> w i j (m j k a) < 1339264338 891628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :returnI :: a -> m x x a; joinI :: m x y (m y z a) -> m x z a; is defining a indexed monad, I think < 1339264339 51159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly < 1339264352 981280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1339264355 885476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something lik ethat anyway < 1339264361 427209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, yes < 1339264363 177311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For indexed comonad you would then have extractI :: w x x a -> a; duplicateI :: w x z a -> w x y (w y z a); < 1339264366 356170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, I got it wrong, zzo38's types are right < 1339264380 516248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, zzo38's types make more sense < 1339264386 562502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like that < 1339264391 728419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work out whether that's what I have or not < 1339264406 259727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of pulling a path closer together like indexed monads, an indexed comonad lets you stretch the path out < 1339264406 932208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1339264409 663475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from x->z to x->y->z < 1339264418 238492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that would be useful for, although it sounds interesting < 1339264425 784646 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339264427 873088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that some monads and comonads that use a monoid (such as Writer and Traced), the indexed version of them will use a category. < 1339264463 514455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1339264467 104371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? say Writer < 1339264495 445907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it seem obvious to me, but I could explain if wanted. < 1339264509 954386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of dumb :) but let me think < 1339264518 967662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return :: a -> Writer cat x x a < 1339264534 118674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: Writer cat x y (Writer cat y z a) -> Writer cat x z a < 1339264537 855205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I see < 1339264543 730917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what I've got isn't /quite/ an indexed monad either, it's a quotient of them over something < 1339264550 90743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :◇(◇x) -> ◇x < 1339264561 636308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, indexed comonad < 1339264562 262339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x -> ◇x < 1339264570 499491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, possibility is a Monad < 1339264581 261817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: heh, ours is called ◇ too < 1339264583 866285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Monads represent possibility? < 1339264587 790369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you need fmap too < 1339264597 47846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (◇a -> ◇b) < 1339264601 56971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you don't have that, although I forget < 1339264603 478799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fmap is definable using join and return < 1339264606 193415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes you do need fmap too. But in what category would they be? < 1339264609 135857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No it isn't < 1339264610 508049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you are wrong < 1339264617 961966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am < 1339264620 519753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of things like monads or comonads except they don't have fmap < 1339264623 624348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in modal logic type things < 1339264624 669139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1339264627 322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> ◇a -> ◇b < 1339264631 517986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is definitely a modal logic type thing < 1339264637 43849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Taneb's and mine :) < 1339264641 526925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339264651 247385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence possibility is a Monad < 1339264709 273081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to say what category, I suppose. < 1339264777 406484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so what I've got is ◇_(a*b)x -> (◇_a)(◇_b)x < 1339264789 763718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339264792 617374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a*b product here? < 1339264794 248094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you should interpret that * as being a generic multiplication-like operator < 1339264802 715876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's commutative semiring multiplication) < 1339264806 770129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not extend :: w (a,b) x -> w a (w b x), then < 1339264828 845611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's extract? < 1339264833 268809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract :: w 1 x -> x? < 1339264847 558367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a special case, I think there's a semiring with tupling as its multiplication (although not a commutative one) < 1339264851 974674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1339264857 992244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1339264859 229550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this for? < 1339264877 604767 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339264894 417353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we found a generic structure behind all the resource-bounding type systems we'd been looking at (apart from SCI, but that just needs a side-condition) < 1339264936 719266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specific motivating example is realtime type systems that prove that everything executes in the time it's meant to, and that every part of the system is ready to receive input when it actually gets input < 1339264943 171101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be synthesized into pipelined circuitry < 1339265005 757838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, it's clear that this is the quotient of an indexed comonad: instead of w i j x, I have w q x where q*i = j < 1339265044 197849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: CHILI THYME < 1339265046 283190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339265051 500911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339265054 465832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the RHS of extend there? < 1339265059 454712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339265060 917044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1339265064 376161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339265065 429248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, do mind < 1339265070 429266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on the RHS, you need two values again < 1339265076 463496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339265077 675559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just use 1 < 1339265089 446982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, err, wait, what? < 1339265110 888923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: w x z a -> w x y (w y z a) < 1339265123 95890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's actually w (x*z) a -> w (x*y) (w (y*z) a) < 1339265126 753480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean duplicate? < 1339265126 913276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some y < 1339265131 476524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I guess you just pick y = 1 < 1339265133 259908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, sorry < 1339265135 489233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, exactly < 1339265147 31561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not we pick y=1 has been a raging argument between me and my supervisor over the last several weeks < 1339265155 640116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're /still/ not entirely sure which is better, or even which sides we're on any more < 1339265158 413173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, actually, there's a big problem < 1339265169 607724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that type signature means that whoever picks extend gets to *pick y themselves* < 1339265174 156255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not _your_ choice < 1339265178 712134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I give you w (x*z) a < 1339265188 77695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's my right to demand w (x*42) (w (42*z) a) back < 1339265191 296472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can pick any y I like, right < 1339265195 124334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a problem in our use of it < 1339265196 524040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, /I/ can < 1339265198 727405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get to choose < 1339265203 125662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1339265212 120518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if this works for you, it has the happy consequence that "whether or not we pick y=1" is an incoherent argument < 1339265213 212882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's specifically in the presentation < 1339265215 877660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't get to pick < 1339265223 346403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must support /all/ y < 1339265224 688931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, do we define things for y=1 and then specify rules to transform to other y < 1339265231 269891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do we define things generically over y in the first place < 1339265236 780573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter, former sounds awful < 1339265245 355113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say close to the comonadic defniition < 1339265260 534853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there are compelling reasons not to < 1339265264 206958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it affects how the language is used or something < 1339265268 376037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wasn't intended to be a comonad originally, we just sort-of noticed it was < 1339265268 898695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's still that thing < 1339265280 148706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, it doesn't matter when you notice as long as you do < 1339265281 314231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing happens a lot in category theory < 1339265320 510075 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo #echo < 1339265320 888027 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo #echo < 1339265321 236121 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo < 1339265340 161559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you can't get a loop from that because fungot ignores oonbotti < 1339265340 984081 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg oonbotti foo < 1339265341 531801 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lafeu. do not i know you do, if they meane a fray to be fought between sir hugh the welsh priest and caius the french doctor < 1339265341 711634 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265349 676743 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo #readmsg < 1339265350 219181 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg #readmsg < 1339265353 658484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you're not allowed to use your own bots to botloop < 1339265355 232452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disgusting < 1339265356 224029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: but I set one up before the ignore was added < 1339265370 887602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not botlooping < 1339265372 27909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is an /excellent/ language for writing botloops in < 1339265420 856865 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg oonbotti foo < 1339265421 214978 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265481 910928 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#readmsg < 1339265490 59944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps I should just present both presentations in the paper < 1339265497 71787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue there is proving them equivalent < 1339265506 262848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't give in to imperfection! < 1339265522 5558 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I managed to make 1 bot botloop < 1339265527 193224 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265527 375245 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339265530 822946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of awkward to read with the extra y in everywhere (except we didn't call it y) < 1339265532 810415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: in PM to itself? < 1339265554 313626 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1339265568 202616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of a botloop if you can't spam a channel with it? < 1339265592 72516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can. < 1339265592 419533 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339265600 396449 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339265604 475665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter whether or not you can spam a channel with it. < 1339265623 959918 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti foo < 1339265624 142530 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265630 874702 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti_ foo < 1339265631 226912 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265645 845164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265646 202743 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: foo < 1339265658 706082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. it loses all of the messages < 1339265695 935726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/1e1m2 <-- I took this picture recently with my crappy mobile camera. Still I think that was an amazing car. < 1339265713 188862 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265713 368526 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339265770 194363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it had both plush dice and a wunderbaum hanging from the rear view mirror!) < 1339265773 633793 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339265778 745511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1339265801 868650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what < 1339265802 612855 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti foo < 1339265802 815362 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265808 94189 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti_ bar < 1339265808 282915 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265811 190369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, look at https://imgur.com/1e1m2 < 1339265815 211423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339265832 75858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it claims to be a Volvo, a WW and a Skoda. :) < 1339265835 535986 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265835 790405 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: foo < 1339265844 913071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WW < 1339265847 383742 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1339265849 12552 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265849 172289 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: bar < 1339265850 995405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't buy any car unless it's a bmw and a horse < 1339265851 545763 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1339265858 136370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1339265960 424829 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265960 595775 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339265977 164596 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339266823 371962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I think I'm going to end up arguing with a /r/TheLastAirbender mod < 1339266845 699080 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to argue with a mod < 1339267327 703830 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you ever argued with a mod of a subreddit? < 1339267338 517671 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339267342 456533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in that subreddit < 1339267358 473342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once argued with an r/gameofthrones mod if that helps < 1339267567 864880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because I like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra? < 1339267588 342798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is arugment < 1339267645 409735 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say that the unspoilered stuff in http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/ut8sn/oh_nick_always_the_tease/c4ybugf is a spoiler, mod says it's just a theory < 1339267657 801321 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers!!! that was what my argument was about < 1339267673 450935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that we got (what seems to be) a clear answer to the question of whether the two characters are the same today. < 1339267848 310139 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have linked to context? < 1339267876 747012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339267944 902042 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replied < 1339267954 350263 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339267979 667522 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/m5gd9ncmfogmd6cd18sjhg < 1339267986 756118 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that was a decent reply < 1339268004 71109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I think I just violated reddiquette, by sharing that < 1339268004 645280 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1339268066 321230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha you know what is a funny joke < 1339268073 392735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339268103 193065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339268106 814397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339268187 573311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no is the new hi < 1339268269 232391 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339268725 559035 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269231 210358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269328 856556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269334 159349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I agree with Hawking's "Reality is not a quality you can test with litmus paper." <-- except the reality of pH < 1339269382 965017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339269393 584477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1339269403 160662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1339269403 326848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339269416 543010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good message < 1339269417 463810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :baking in hi again | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269500 873909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihyqn: om < 1339269524 370950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :waking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269544 239022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dammit < 1339269570 296665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1339269581 998828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must people break the rules even if i never explained them < 1339269598 281155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course elliott would break them even more if i did) < 1339269610 146398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain the rules so i may break them more effectively < 1339269648 279766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :waking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269667 848214 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kind of like Bolshevik R2-D2" < 1339269670 61113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reusing previous words, always go in steps of 1 levenshtein distance < 1339269683 951336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what did you change < 1339269691 87791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok not changing it at all is permitted) < 1339269709 502723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the name of the person who posted the last topic < 1339269718 927497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: plagiarist! < 1339269721 16624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1339269921 371145 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1339269922 315168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: rosin. take you this. julia. no, by this same coxcombe that we haue giuen thee faces to the bent of womans fancy? i am a daughter to his blood < 1339269950 808657 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1339269951 364349 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1339269956 547009 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1339269957 298722 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 0): the optional step keyword is called multicolor text mode. if your output is not a plus sign () specifies that the second < 1339269995 318283 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot create those sentences? < 1339269995 870658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 20 next n,k,j ( stopping nested loops) is accomplished by jumping directly into the system provides for " auto-start" of using " actual numbers": print t(t); 130 for q= 1 to 8 < 1339270143 875922 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot prints out something if message contains word fungot? < 1339270144 419814 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: new ( performs a logical file number can range from zero to one cor- respondence between the last four sid chip are numerous and varied. only then is it a little more involved, by controlling bits 0, four of the control and command register 660 so it can be found just by pokeing their screen codes needed for the characters < 1339270386 178736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: fizzie pregenerates files with markov chain probabilities for each style, which fungot uses < 1339270386 994610 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2) is increased by one nybble of the transformations you can define dozens of sprite movement is called the sprite character. there is a simple poke 792,193 will accomplish this. the < 1339270558 754100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still pissed http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/ut8sn/oh_nick_always_the_tease/c4ybugf?context=1
< 1339270563 420278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339270564 627854 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Spoilers) < 1339270664 631084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer my rules for ties in Pokemon Card, or the standard rules, or some other variant which I have not heard of? < 1339270783 277877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer a variant which _no_ one has heard of, not even me < 1339270797 115752 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339270807 691582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339270815 328660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome HackEgo < 1339270818 194995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339270948 893005 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain what is so bad about busybox vi? < 1339271560 572294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339271562 971806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339271590 14133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339271694 420600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339271730 517301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that, rather than Possibility being a monad, Possibility is what monads translate to under the curry-howard isomorphism < 1339271768 500532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It still has to be an endofunctor, though < 1339271773 880631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where m a means "It is possible that an a exists" < 1339271791 859892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think that is true at all. < 1339271796 942589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I don't think CH really works like that. < 1339271802 90352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certainly wrong < 1339271809 381440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That loses the distinction between two separate monads, if they both translate to Possibility... < 1339271926 708384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (Time -> Amplitude) a reasonable representation of (not yet stored to file) audio data in Haskell? < 1339271976 453653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1339271979 511996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inefficient to modify, though. < 1339272105 902654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least, I don't think CH really works like that. <-- actually that rings a bell... < 1339272141 244475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probability being a monad seems reasonable; the other way around doesn't really... < 1339272155 521213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :each monad could correspond to a modal logic, in other words < 1339272170 267153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just sent some files over bluetooth to my laptop. Apparently the transfer was successful. But it didn't tell me where it placed the sodding file... < 1339272191 511632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in ~/Public? Why did it create that directory and why did it place it there? < 1339272259 475691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is the monad of probabilities like (WriterT (Product x) []) but that may not be what you meant < 1339272263 179311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds reasonable < 1339272264 261181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence#Correspondence_between_natural_deduction_and_lambda_calculus mentions it in the list at the end < 1339272274 805241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't interpret what Taneb said as that,t hough < 1339272283 659107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably XDG < 1339272296 893654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, consider that I never know quite what I'm on about < 1339272302 400999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like itidus-lite < 1339272303 756953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well naturally, although every modal logic with the right axioms corresponds to _some_ notion of possibility, i should think < 1339272312 316845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1339272325 49670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1339272335 799825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah anyway I did a find on ~ to find it < 1339272341 218613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that takes ages < 1339272362 991443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some 80 GB or so, with tens of thousands of small files under ~/src) < 1339272403 312031 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Necessity may be a comonoad < 1339272406 550492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comonad < 1339272409 130948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I will run find ~ | wc -l out of interest < 1339272422 62865 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how often do you klean your ~/src ? < 1339272432 373789 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clean < 1339272437 534795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, clean? < 1339272447 941250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would I clean away my own code < 1339272452 611006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and projects I work on < 1339272457 404041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it x is necessary, it is necessary that x is necessary < 1339272463 473606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(duplicate) < 1339272468 276101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there are some other stuff there, but only things I need actually < 1339272482 222629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cross compiler toolchain build environment for h8300-coff < 1339272484 319900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x is necessary, x must be < 1339272486 522008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extract) < 1339272494 77707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you should need fmap < 1339272508 915325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the hard one < 1339272512 803521 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah. I thought you used ~/src for compiling programs from source and placed your own projects to something like ~/projects < 1339272527 707298 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find ~ | wc -l < 1339272527 883453 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2899 < 1339272553 823157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, nah, stuff I compile from source go there too, but get removed (apart from a file that contains the ./configure flags used, to help with upgrades) < 1339272554 620140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the existence of x forces the existence of y, does the necessity of x force the necessity of y? < 1339272565 751615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: < 1339272566 855751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find ~ | wc -l < 1339272567 15463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :697776 < 1339272572 259516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339272589 218925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, this is on my laptop. My desktop is booted to windows atm, so I can't check ther < 1339272591 489653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there* < 1339272637 483266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find src | wc -l < 1339272637 665355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :528744 < 1339272641 637810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a sizable part of it < 1339272659 562464 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find src/ | wc -l < 1339272659 920784 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :302 < 1339272673 533334 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find projects/ | wc -l < 1339272673 713832 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1076 < 1339272689 839377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a two linux kernels there too. One is for this laptop the other is for cross compiling to an old dell desktop that takes far too long to do it by itself < 1339272703 388469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is a P3 @ 993 MHz, 512 MB RAM) < 1339272708 522479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(way too slow) < 1339272717 25129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is still faster than mine :P < 1339272720 974508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1339272727 667620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you compile your own kernel though? < 1339272728 521622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :993 Mhz. < 1339272736 209200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yep < 1339272737 650126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 3 times as fast as 333 Mhz Pentium < 1339272741 624858 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sometimes < 1339272753 230430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, almost. I have no idea why they didn't go for 1 GHz < 1339272759 853332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also that dell desktop came with windows 98 < 1339272763 790305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how old it is < 1339272774 621294 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has win98SE < 1339272781 823399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well might have been SE < 1339272782 758957 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1339272784 203759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1339272794 387545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is that it is bloody outdated < 1339272803 598328 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has winXPpro license taped to it < 1339272807 73808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway that dell has a 20 GB HDD < 1339272810 689719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not very useful < 1339272842 719914 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that is smaller than in my computer < 1339272844 544392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the HDD started making strange noises recently. < 1339272850 628961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on, I've got (<*>) but not fmap < 1339272852 880221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find any other IDE disks < 1339272878 924407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So no pure? < 1339272883 56014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have pure and (<*>) you have fmap. < 1339272883 226421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1339272897 906574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without the naturalistic fallacy < 1339272917 833276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that fallacy? < 1339272924 805646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is true is good < 1339272949 38848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If p is the case, p ought to be permitted < 1339272954 707248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1339273029 362562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of necessity, that fallacy is not a fallacy < 1339273037 201684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider the necessity of Law. < 1339273045 662324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder happens, so should murder be legal? < 1339273085 841851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339273127 802725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're into philosophy and law here, two topics I am even less well versed in than I am mathematics and computer science < 1339273137 533226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'll think of a different example < 1339273141 199863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't. < 1339273313 416928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are scores of modal logics depending on which axioms you accept, though < 1339273331 790051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remain as general and sweeping as possible < 1339273356 436615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means you take one with few axioms < 1339273385 700322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm avoiding p -> â–¡p < 1339273416 182653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -> â—‡p is okay, though < 1339273448 16858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw it. < 1339273452 935528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own logic < 1339273489 151848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXIOMS: < 1339273516 593437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, p -> â–¡p is an axiom anyway < 1339273527 834972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO NECESSITY IS A COMONAD, POSSIBILITY IS A MONAD < 1339273530 702278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ official < 1339273543 720060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some modal logics) < 1339273595 76098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbingly, intuitionistic modal logic is a red link in wp < 1339273635 545995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, in any normal modal logic, Necessity is an applicative < 1339273684 778618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to use a classical logic as basis unless you have continuations < 1339273705 697531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pierce's law, right? < 1339273709 197803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1339273712 720554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339274100 922393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, with Pierce's law as call/cc, you get LEM saying it's either true or false (doesn't matter which) and if you ever prove it wrong and prove a contradiction, that ends up calling the continuation and backtracking, right? < 1339274107 683400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1339274142 92996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1339274224 426337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEM's x | ¬x, right? < 1339274228 749229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339274282 160100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callCC (\c -> Right (\x -> c (Left x))) < 1339274338 944091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) < 1339274339 904691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadCont m) => m (Either a (a -> m b)) < 1339274357 588589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1339274430 182418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lem = callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) in runCont (do { x <- lem; case x of Left a -> return a; Right f -> f (42 :: Int)) id < 1339274431 123651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1339274433 540450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1339274435 793223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lem = callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) in runCont (do { x <- lem; case x of Left a -> return a; Right f -> f (42 :: Int) }) id < 1339274436 807326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1339274439 763613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1339274441 957479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see how it works < 1339274464 903014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go "aha, you think it's uninhabited, but I have an inhabitant *right here*!" and it steals your example and goes back in time and uses it as a proof of inhabitation < 1339274465 505923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1339274532 333453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done something like this: class Classical x where { lem :: Either x (Not x); }; < 1339274550 399151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes i remember < 1339274639 530938 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339274729 365688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw you don't need the {} if you have () around the do itself. < 1339274738 388598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? neat < 1339274745 477318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was more for my own benefit, though :P < 1339274821 86973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically only used to find out where the do block ends, and if there's a delimiter just after that cannot be matched inside the do, then you don't need the {} < 1339274832 320308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339275755 128680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339275761 999434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339276148 792760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339276500 46453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1339276877 259772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codeeval supports Clojure < 1339276880 413244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a happy person now < 1339276885 860528 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to learn Clojure < 1339277000 485021 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Clojure some kind of lisp ran inside JVM? < 1339277053 936052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :raking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339277151 325341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it can't be ran, only run < 1339277173 313614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides under rock
< 1339277266 218700 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that rock crush you? < 1339277378 877282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grbltn < 1339277388 324848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest peacefully < 1339277445 466235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you, i need some peaceful rest < 1339277456 745272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1339277458 752518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nap
< 1339277499 165337 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grbltn? < 1339277608 991559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a side note: Doesn't haskell break RT anyway? < 1339277613 457733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnt, brklfnd mgrvgrvladje < 1339277633 163438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO < 1339277644 608186 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't potatoes some kind of tuber? < 1339277646 571031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: guess why it has "unsafe" < 1339277671 824264 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you just need to ignore unsafePerformIO whenever it is convenient to your argument to do so < 1339277721 665768 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto any of a dozen other features < 1339278149 880038 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :faking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339278152 977116 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339279065 243944 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339279124 358573 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1339279380 283877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339280416 648419 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339280843 894617 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should I try to port to my own processor architecture: MINIX 1.5, MINIX 2 or 2.11BSD < 1339281338 267739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am playing Human Revolution. < 1339281366 208363 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am crouching on a sofa on which two enemies are also sitting. < 1339281372 503132 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither has noticed me. < 1339281381 668365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve bought the DE series, but haven’t got around to trying it yet. < 1339281401 630247 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :3 < 1339281434 145704 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite thing about original Deus Ex is that you could heal a shotgun wound to the chest by eating 50 bags of potato chips < 1339281438 586302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them looked up from the handheld game he was playing, glanced at me for a second, then looked back down. < 1339281469 835304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ah, see, Jensen doesn't faff around with that; he just stuffs his face with Mars Bars so he can punch people. < 1339281535 318096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, no ghost bonus. < 1339281542 360756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... pretty sure none of them saw me. < 1339281791 800587 :james-ubc!~jaamesden@d207-6-249-160.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339281922 941038 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, DX is good, but it's probably best to start with HR because DX is very... 90s. < 1339281950 375440 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339282330 372404 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339282895 756422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339282899 345375 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: I don’t really mind old games being… old. :-) I’ve been playing Fallout 1 recently. < 1339282915 835932 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just like in real life! < 1339282959 887308 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but FPSes are more reflexive than turn-based RPGs, so the quirks in the interface are more offputting. < 1339282977 108658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't use r for reload, for instance, unlike basically every other FPS today. < 1339283024 725050 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339283176 354236 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339283221 942128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339283580 244954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339284199 169377 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339284234 417106 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339284586 778226 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should i play Fallout n, n < 3? < 1339284597 692104 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of got one of them working in Wine once < 1339284775 198305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n=base of natural logatithms then yes try < 1339285141 26456 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AngryJoe Plays Steel Battalion Kinect http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?t=5m45s < 1339285175 668343 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I’ve liked it. The UI is rather horrible and the 640×480 resolution is annoying, but the game is good despite that. < 1339285290 525591 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all turn-based right? < 1339285692 713294 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combat is, yeah. < 1339285726 230772 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I should try one of the resolution-enhancing patches again now that i’ve switched GPUs. < 1339285744 718556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time anything beyond the default 640×480 was unplayably slow. < 1339285865 307330 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those come with high res textures and such? < 1339285890 390546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, you just get to see more than a tiny window to the map. < 1339285916 961664 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since when was Sherlock Holmes a goddamn emo druggie obsessed with death?" -- a person < 1339285931 736463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so funny if you've read the sherlock holmes stories < 1339285972 8669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The “FIXT� patch for Fallout is recommended. < 1339286882 429988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein < 1339287084 48352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good example < 1339287404 289975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : AngryJoe Plays Steel Battalion Kinect http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?t=5m45s <-- hm that is old < 1339287412 94832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I watched it last week or so? < 1339287423 42276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I subscribe to that channel, it can be quite amusing) < 1339287470 728030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where was that quote from? < 1339287501 707194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is funny. I'm not sure about the emo part, but other than that it is spot on < 1339287609 724558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment on a site < 1339287968 83601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339290874 484691 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339290878 91094 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1339290879 87524 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339293325 409099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1339293386 167555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339294903 940982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 actually, how can you use "1" in your presentation if you're using a semigroup? they don't have an identity < 1339294904 138502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339294916 185721 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339294967 245292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you get the hblunmbndle? < 1339294974 60113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339295043 155324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Was it good? < 1339295065 428348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played any of the games yet. < 1339295130 768469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't ask if the games were good. :-( < 1339295137 208313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You haven't played Braid?) < 1339295259 734486 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s probably the greatest bundle so far. < 1339295350 261854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1339295350 421389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played *any* Bundle game. < 1339295352 5000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet I've bought most of them. < 1339295354 829998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the crappy ones. < 1339295360 435465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You ought to try Braid! < 1339295361 931010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask kmc. < 1339295366 133856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Android one and some of the developer-specific ones and the Botanica one.) < 1339295382 288928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t try Braid yet, but it seems interesting. < 1339295385 827197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right? I need some moralizing here. > 1339295667 961001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295669 186500 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295670 80747 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295670 463409 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1339295672 71573 JOIN :#esoteric > 1339295672 586907 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295684 159708 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1339295688 825873 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295702 51366 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339295709 167118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295734 316595 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295808 389814 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339295986 351938 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339296099 183076 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339297322 299746 :flyingcow!flyingcow@LPuteaux-156-14-100-162.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339297342 710986 :flyingcow!flyingcow@LPuteaux-156-14-100-162.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr PART :#esoteric < 1339297540 858048 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339299970 268394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339299998 230639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1339300001 667586 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339300256 56893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's quote 471? < 1339300258 295698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 471 < 1339300261 596507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :471) tswett: last argument must be a cub scout!! have you made your money-drop today?? < 1339300268 431089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339300287 843469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the best quote. < 1339300470 477342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: tomodo is fax, right? < 1339300497 522960 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've guessed that before, but I dunno < 1339300503 451635 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a lot more depressed than fax ever did < 1339300621 836672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's fax? < 1339300645 136982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A thing that lets you send documents through the telephone. < 1339300670 326724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1339300670 517507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let w(p,q)i=(p*i+1,q*i);d%(p,q)=p*d`div`q;(x:y:s)^d|d%y>d%x=s^d|0<1=mod(d%x)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show < 1339300672 106095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf! < 1339300694 246961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let w(p,q)i=(p*i+1,q*i);d%(p,q)=p*d`div`q;(x:y:s)^d|d%y>d%x=s^d|0<1=mod(d%x)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show < 1339300695 683800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "27182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303... < 1339300745 352824 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to implement Lenses in Clojure < 1339300763 622490 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it been done? < 1339300773 89013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question < 1339300778 439920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a recurring character who shares some characteristics with tomodo, and also changes nick every so often < 1339300842 210660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: (I think shachaf knows who fax is.) < 1339300849 363501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, actually. < 1339300854 578972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know who shadowfax is < 1339300858 559325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks his tongue out at elliott
< 1339300864 921374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's shadowfax. :( < 1339300921 855806 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would suspect it's been done < 1339300934 930492 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't mean you shouldn't do it < 1339300942 4748 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never stopped anyone from writing a lenses library in haskell, either :) < 1339300952 128128 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used Clojure much? < 1339301091 867084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, not really < 1339301093 92505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to < 1339301105 800466 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need an example of useful Categories for #clojure < 1339301110 30558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned rotations < 1339301115 139236 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're not going to know what arrows are < 1339301128 828176 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to illustrate why comp should be general) < 1339301546 234333 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MSleep < 1339301723 816291 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I am an idiot. < 1339301776 473963 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought map was supposed to be general on the first argument. Because I am a derp. < 1339301782 823882 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was thinking of return. < 1339301784 250644 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1339301798 886817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339301801 843595 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, map's first argument could be more than just a function < 1339301808 753954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339301832 642641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map 3 ["hi","Sgeo_"] < 1339301833 855781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,3] < 1339301864 147764 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thlambdabot < 1339301944 504022 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey here's this great interactive tool for learning Haskell! except we've filled it with useless nonstandard behavior for the sake of what amounts to an inside joke." < 1339301959 20782 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the right perspective this is quite a shitty thing to do < 1339301983 447534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, we're not in #haskell here. < 1339301983 639108 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things that wore me out in #haskell was constantly having to explain these aberrations < 1339301992 577492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cale's view has always been that it's not a pedagogical tool so it's kind of disingenuous to argue along those lines < 1339301994 959030 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“thambdabot� < 1339301999 798327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still disagree but < 1339302004 308363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with cale) < 1339302009 575083 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, ok, but then people should stop advancing it as a pedagogical tool < 1339302017 723524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is #haskell a pedagogical channel? < 1339302021 211578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339302028 667087 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would rather have the pedagogical tool than the toy, personally < 1339302032 162773 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the current channel composition < 1339302039 11162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a pedagogue? < 1339302052 956077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peaker was saying something along similar lines. < 1339302068 585295 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly the number of confused beginners has gone up since the channel was founded < 1339302121 310085 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple ways to solve this problem, but in the absence of consensus on a solution, the status quo sucks < 1339302143 847690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying quantum trash < 1339302163 823033 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was Peaker saying? < 1339302171 982792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :peaker says lots of things!! < 1339302174 672202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That (.) should be (.) instead of fmap. < 1339302189 892322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it just confuses people and makes it more annoying to explain things otherwise. < 1339302255 670009 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets bitter
< 1339302257 446149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use Category.. < 1339302411 156282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gets? gets????? < 1339302430 598340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless you kmc but i have never seen you say a single thing about #haskell i would not classify as bitter :P < 1339302436 180167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As in "a regular thing". < 1339302451 875815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc gets bitter every day at noon and stays bitter until ~04:00 the next day. < 1339302461 852588 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes and goes < 1339302469 391989 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you must have ignored all the nice things I said about #haskell in #haskell, then < 1339302482 703138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. < 1339302490 795233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell has a lot of nice things to say about itself. < 1339302494 936262 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still have many nice things to say about it < 1339302506 949522 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people are by and large friendly and well-intentioned < 1339302517 151453 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still the friendliest language channel I've seen, by far < 1339302520 545498 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly for being that huge < 1339302533 991240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a nice place < 1339302547 536777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best langauage channel is #monqys-crawl. < 1339302554 558219 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some extent I think the friendliness is a problem < 1339302561 714950 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it certainly is a virtue even if it has some negative consequences as well < 1339302604 685748 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the people there are fucking smart < 1339302614 849173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the ones that aren't < 1339302615 706292 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones that aren't ?? < 1339302616 533765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339302619 479200 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone really seems to like learning < 1339302624 452784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who are indistinguishable to most people < 1339302630 319968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like many of them cannot answer my questions though < 1339302637 220745 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug, i never got a feeling from one of the regulars that "this person is an idiot and needs to stfu" < 1339302641 887976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at leat they're friendly about it ! < 1339302642 79180 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course maybe this means I was the dumbest regular < 1339302644 384740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you have to come up with new and exciting ways to say "you're incompetent; stop misleading the newbies" < 1339302644 907999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or so I hear < 1339302648 335781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without actually saying it < 1339302653 532200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, they don't have to be regular. < 1339302667 831429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (I do get such a feeling from one or two. but I think they only became regular as you left.) < 1339302668 808676 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: people have explanations i disagree with, and can argue against, but I wouldn't go so far as to insult their intelligence < 1339302680 743668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "incompetent" I mean strictly in the context of their advice < 1339302689 409102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it's impolite, that's why you don't say it :P < 1339302716 405063 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by "regulars" i'm of course ignoring a few perennial helpless beginners) < 1339302726 368854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well that's cheating < 1339302736 865842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have i linked you to the Monad page on haskellwiki < 1339302741 753274 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339302746 113449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best < 1339302750 901070 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1339302752 396222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like how right as copumpkin gets dragged back the channel goes into full on meta-Haskell mode.) < 1339302772 528411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know the author of the awful parts of that page once downvoted me on Stack Overflow? < 1339302786 515111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people, I tell ya. < 1339302810 818274 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragged back? < 1339302815 639499 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is copumpkin punting #haskell as well? < 1339302826 154640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf conspicuously said HEY COPUMPKIN DID YOU LEFT #ESOTERIC in -blah. < 1339302837 411416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really pay much attention to #haskell these days < 1339302840 346412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copumpkin was all OH HA HA I HATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH UURGH BUT I'LL PRETEND I JUST FORGOT < 1339302841 115199 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't actively left it < 1339302841 703832 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows #esoteric is the real #haskell-blah < 1339302843 324307 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339302856 238880 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have better self control than me < 1339302915 437419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if mathematicians normally call the Finalize moand and the Initialize comonad something different, so I just called them by these names. < 1339302936 479607 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if mathematicians call them something different, it's probably something dumb < 1339302955 729207 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "dragged back to #esoteric" i see < 1339302962 596084 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my fault we went all meta :/ < 1339302975 327106 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will claim shachaf trolld me < 1339302982 927501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Something dumb? Why do you think that? < 1339302988 430953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The term is "pronked". < 1339303000 782442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "sry 4 trollding u :'(" < 1339303004 559599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("hecked" also works.) < 1339303006 314787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even know how commonly mathematicians would deal with these monad/comonad though < 1339303015 828571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in "shachaf thoroughly hecked my aim there".) < 1339303054 703540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are valid for any category having a final/initial object < 1339303091 344292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I sleep? < 1339303108 128556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIFTING INTO CHANNEL MODE #4: elliott asking whether he should sleep at unreasonable hours < 1339303132 738020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 22 + 38 < 1339303133 828039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 60 < 1339303140 593346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You must sleep before the end of this hour. < 1339303153 31074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask other people if you want to sleep? < 1339303168 415067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He asks other people whether he *should* sleep. < 1339303354 908226 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is usually "yes". < 1339303368 835545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also then ignores the answer, and often asks again. < 1339303386 880975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339303392 716975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has answered yet this time though < 1339303410 850035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs monqy < 1339303442 229512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28315 < 1339303458 777340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs monqy < 1339303462 242599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: should i sleep < 1339303464 694575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shoudl ji seplh < 1339303466 446324 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21703 < 1339303630 722906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Si, señór < 1339304053 676551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339304393 632953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339304396 594818 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339304420 731927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good job elliott" < 1339304564 392206 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gelliott < 1339304911 639956 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339304934 437384 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339305188 386274 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339306520 421737 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339306704 798632 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339306705 25866 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339306705 25961 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339307069 35781 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote greece < 1339307071 965350 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :778) Why does CL get called functional? it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. < 1339308187 177069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339308204 185084 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell the CL people that CL is functional < 1339308207 211733 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have that < 1339308208 528968 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate* < 1339309531 15027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean by Finalize is the endofunctor mapping all objects to the final object; it should be easy to see how this is a monad. < 1339309554 143076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one possibility! < 1339309939 897764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree? < 1339309956 130576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are very entertaining < 1339309980 699139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you understand what I am meaning? < 1339310006 421187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even know what monads are silly < 1339310021 24279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339310057 366334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what a category is (in category theory)? < 1339310062 417574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339310064 816228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1339310079 427416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, I mean quintopia, but you are free to answer if you wish < 1339310101 386750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1339310111 87439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of elements with morphisms between various elements where composing morphisms is possible, also there is an identity morphism < 1339310115 348650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1339310137 664338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, and composition is associative < 1339310211 834889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an identity morphism for each object, which is identity for the composition operator, and a morphism (X -> Y) and (Y -> Z) can be composed to (X -> Z) (although by standard mathematical notation, the (Y -> Z) goes on the left) < 1339310262 331636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh feel free to use the concatenative style < 1339310393 990581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the object X identity morphism will be from X to X where id . f = f . id = f if f has the correct object it is from/to, and . means composition. < 1339310412 910870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any monoid forms a category with one object. < 1339310574 201672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that good? < 1339310610 309245 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339310650 799972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339311469 237243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Leftput/rightput error < 1339311732 85785 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339313741 705854 :IrcCheck!~geerhardt@197.104.164.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339313793 53686 :IrcCheck!~geerhardt@197.104.164.11 PART :#esoteric < 1339314602 418256 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339315086 929897 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : borkdude: It's hard (nearly impossible) to, for example, use SLIME with both Clojure and Common Lisp. I suppose it's because you use an ancient version of SLIME with Clojure because it's impossible to follow SLIME development because they never release anything. < 1339315088 472468 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH < 1339315091 594826 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blarghs
< 1339315396 641110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's happened < 1339315561 882274 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, read the line from Raynes < 1339315579 204518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done, and do not realise the significance of it < 1339315599 93963 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339315599 564508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The significance is it's harder for me to play with both Common Lisp and Clojure < 1339315610 208580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339315629 444481 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339316152 955057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339318412 439149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339319388 256625 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339319388 714559 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339319388 905599 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339319575 442676 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339319860 696974 :Taneb!0263592a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.89.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339319863 884482 :Taneb!0263592a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339320695 653651 :Taneb!0263592a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1339320696 191443 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: bit 4 off, and parameters associated with them. the scale selected is concert pitch, in order to change the routine < 1339320762 670068 :Taneb!0263592a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.89.42 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1339321037 456293 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339321489 55673 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339323473 245955 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DD60.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339324881 166933 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339326759 687545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339326863 819527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339326960 534150 :james-ubc!~jaamesden@d207-6-249-160.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339326981 140856 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339327125 584893 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339327821 704738 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339327901 627725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my new school timetable, on Fridays I alternate between two classrooms. < 1339327912 831818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the second floor. < 1339327916 611284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of two different buildings < 1339328482 871472 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339328483 69821 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339328518 396648 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339328606 380007 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339328646 417807 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339329234 765375 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, PH < 1339329301 581596 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339329434 275887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S5 Modal Logic is... I think it's a coapplicative, if that's a thing that makes sense to me < 1339329577 532809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has (<*>) and extract < 1339329648 332717 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, it's an applicative comonad < 1339329736 488506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOODBYE < 1339329739 152872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339330114 385363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow http://youtu.be/p08_KlTKP50 < 1339331432 516349 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339331539 699058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339332775 688721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it weird that some monads are comonad < 1339332788 955327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't have a sufficient idea of catergoric dual < 1339332789 477016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1339332889 633726 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT : < 1339334829 487966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339337171 727515 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339337202 89613 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x, y)|x<-[1..3], y<-[4..6]] < 1339337203 383763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,4),(1,5),(1,6),(2,4),(2,5),(2,6),(3,4),(3,5),(3,6)] < 1339337302 17153 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[x*y|y<-[1..x]]|x <- [1..10]] < 1339337309 278780 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x*y|y<-[1..x]]|x <- [1..10]] < 1339337310 733288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[2,4],[3,6,9],[4,8,12,16],[5,10,15,20,25],[6,12,18,24,30,36],[7,14,21,... < 1339337398 857920 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x*y|y<-[1..10]]|x <- [1..10]] < 1339337399 833890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10],[2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20],[3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,2... < 1339337414 976999 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x*y|y<-[1..3]]|x <- [1..3]] < 1339337416 417700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[2,4,6],[3,6,9]] < 1339337525 616934 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x`max`y|y<-[1..3]]|x <- [1..3]] < 1339337526 788322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[2,2,3],[3,3,3]] < 1339337544 756349 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x`min`y|y<-[1..3]]|x <- [1..3]] < 1339337546 3937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,1,1],[1,2,2],[1,2,3]] < 1339337579 305823 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[(x`min`y) * (x`max`y)|y<-[1..3]]|x <- [1..3]] < 1339337580 460105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[2,4,6],[3,6,9]] < 1339337643 678648 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339337992 470278 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[[x*y*z|z<-[1..3]]|y<-[1..3]]|x<-[1..3]] < 1339337993 694474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[[1,2,3],[2,4,6],[3,6,9]],[[2,4,6],[4,8,12],[6,12,18]],[[3,6,9],[6,12,18],... < 1339338032 31289 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to generalize that to n dimensions? < 1339339108 769205 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it explicitly as a monad < 1339339122 187030 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have the monadic construction, then you just fold over the dimentions < 1339339505 132488 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339340305 842050 :Labbekak!d9795522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.121.85.34 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1339341397 713696 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339341515 483333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339341518 310359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339342010 953262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339342017 251736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Julianc&curid=8485&diff=32739&oldid=32738 hmm... < 1339342017 442660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339342035 375498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That warrents a warning? < 1339342259 456341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't /do/ anything < 1339342275 139893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Julianc&diff=next&oldid=32739 not sure what the nowiki here is meant to accomplish :P < 1339342441 376436 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339342445 454935 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-21-192.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1339342453 332213 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1339342619 482664 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339342632 594569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339342853 501678 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339343802 900981 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that reddit nuclear coverup guy went full-on conspiracy nut. < 1339343809 95683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, even more full-on conspiracy nut. < 1339343827 671846 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339343840 872014 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet reddit itself is in on it < 1339343877 905527 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think his current theory is that the government are somehow covering up a massive, end-of-the-world solar flare in spite of the fact that he's used public solar flare data to corroborate his claims. < 1339343895 476223 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that the magnetic poles started switching overnight and the magnetosphere is now gone. < 1339344243 632779 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339344285 370137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, great. < 1339344296 21638 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure the headphone port of this computer is broken. < 1339346391 476108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it due to solar flares covered up by the government < 1339346886 131690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339347063 967810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339347071 925614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339347075 314135 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339347099 695574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339347149 712226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1339347161 243685 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.115.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339347190 433253 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339347221 299176 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339347227 166048 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339347227 357332 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339347233 444463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :) < 1339348747 120992 :nooga!~nooga@95.108.115.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339348777 178118 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does codo notation even make sense? < 1339348829 328131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1339348847 373578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip extend :: w a -> (w a -> b) -> w b < 1339348849 257667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd have < 1339348858 64475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { x <- w; ... } where < 1339348861 535190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w :: w a < 1339348865 309237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :: w a < 1339348866 832727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :: b < 1339348871 957270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339348873 510150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1339348877 393337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :codo { x <- w; ... } :: w b < 1339348885 40612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how it would chain, though < 1339348890 669708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it'd just be left-associative < 1339348894 143956 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, thanks < 1339348897 720513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1339348901 270982 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have dinner now, bye < 1339348902 312379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339348918 596830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1339349141 68684 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339350136 607957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "yw"? < 1339350148 766195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yer wiggly < 1339350165 794018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.. < 1339350180 745373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR: yang wanker < 1339350191 113137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR: yuppie winks < 1339350193 584043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR: you're welcome < 1339350194 875220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1339350204 604092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone < 1339350945 85257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1339351030 823203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1339351036 388173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi < 1339351043 730590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (spoiler it's actually the last one) < 1339351052 624496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I realised that < 1339351058 605515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler ok) < 1339351347 689559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know the IPv6 2001: stuff? < 1339351350 856453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that assigned in 2001? < 1339351472 438773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think all of 2001: is assigned, and the (current) RFC that describes that prefix is from 2006. < 1339351508 987048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the possibly first one is from 2000 < 1339351517 965344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the 2001 IPv4 stuff. < 1339351529 186025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just always read it as a year. :p < 1339351547 486997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv4 stuff? < 1339351552 494161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. < 1339351553 881251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the teredo? < 1339351554 312154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bridge stuff. < 1339351566 147883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have IPv6 IPs that start with 2001: a lot because they don't have native IPv6. < 1339351576 373572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, I have that < 1339351622 80889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339351623 636058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339351638 58473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hi < 1339351675 785490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1339351683 130631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339351877 559397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339351884 473203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339351889 175909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1339351893 822933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339351909 786671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339351921 430701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1339351967 250485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:{D> < 1339352012 853460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<8{B < 1339352036 520335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :}:{D> < 1339352052 606866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:~"d < 1339352061 213505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mashed keys randomly. Could have turned out worse. < 1339352068 204901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^/ < 1339352100 345423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1339352112 12255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: < 1339352112 206334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop. < 1339352117 629065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"L@:$ < 1339352119 555981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'as;lE < 1339352120 459073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::@"£ < 1339352121 767665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::$@{£ < 1339352122 806688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::±_+@ < 1339352133 637999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ºÃ�Ωıµ®Ã� < 1339352135 980554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :+_+ looks pretty good < 1339352137 324187 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a plus-or-minus key? < 1339352141 578056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∑´#†®˚©˙ƒ~ < 1339352143 502206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesnt? < 1339352152 242953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptop keyboard :/ < 1339352165 96511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for me ± is altgr-' < 1339352165 287790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a laptop. < 1339352179 519955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ' is the dead key over é < 1339352186 873397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is next to backspace) < 1339352193 149218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¸ < 1339352199 333828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1339352199 829476 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339352212 144759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :}][{¾½€³²¹| < 1339352223 398885 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::µ < 1339352224 598826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ə… < 1339352233 805939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Å‚e¶ŧâ†�↓↓→øþßðđŋħjĸł«»¢“â€�nµ··· < 1339352234 51061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1339352238 40152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did that using compose, no idea if it can be done with altgr) < 1339352240 483648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1339352240 675438 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339352275 6244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :>·^ < 1339352292 812672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUND IT < 1339352296 897386 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr + shift + 9 < 1339352299 962584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :± < 1339352300 809815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ < 1339352304 52300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that gives me » < 1339352306 8080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :øœ∑´®“´π©¬ƒ∂… < 1339352306 477901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ < 1339352329 612201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'd assume you're not on a British keyboard < 1339352334 8526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339352361 791158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :´¥¨^º– < 1339352368 527554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but a lot of the altgr keys have the same positional mapping though. like â†� being altgr-y < 1339352376 599563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEah < 1339352394 396670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬@ < 1339352402 768713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬@? < 1339352413 553244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1339352416 801679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-`, shift '? < 1339352417 502803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not at? < 1339352423 369425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1339352427 944780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what? < 1339352431 394396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don`t you love it when people use the backtick as an apo`strophe? < 1339352437 195571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused < 1339352443 639339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum < 1339352454 501357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬ was altgr-shift- < 1339352464 577101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :have* < 1339352471 843017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1339352478 314177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guess it isn't for you < 1339352481 7198 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is altgr-9 < 1339352487 925133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDUNDANCY, YEAH < 1339352488 638937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, try the key next to backspace then < 1339352502 193099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that altgr-9 is the only place I have ] :P < 1339352504 813061 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{[]} altgr-(7-0) < 1339352505 4723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :á¸�oesn't do anything < 1339352515 917255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it did < 1339352519 624728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it combined with the D < 1339352521 744350 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ altg-2 < 1339352525 140025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAH < 1339352526 785026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it is a dead char < 1339352530 523235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you had < 1339352542 726441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-shift-= < 1339352549 700059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ altg-+ < 1339352549 891369 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339352556 588221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I couldn't even do that. my = is on shift-0 < 1339352564 587979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ) < 1339352566 655300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ) is on shift-0 < 1339352567 28228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339352572 455920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and altgr-shift-0 yields ° < 1339352576 792575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :degree sign I think? < 1339352578 54872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :° < 1339352579 336563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339352580 306061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1339352595 125233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10°C < 1339352602 814799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :top row with altgr-shift: ¾¹²³¼¢â…�÷«»°¿¬ < 1339352616 11064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 5/8? Who knows < 1339352618 828169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|¡⅛£¼⅜â…�⅞™±°¿ < 1339352631 512191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and top row with just altgr: ¶¡@£$€¥{[]}\± < 1339352643 661879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|¹²³€½¾{[]}\ < 1339352647 55164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339352647 246184 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339352656 93806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that first char seems redundant there < 1339352660 615061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1339352672 916451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| < 1339352679 852301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as I've never used it? < 1339352683 100164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 5/8 is what comes between between 1/2 and 3/4 < 1339352695 453636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, on UK keyboard, what is the key to the left of 1? < 1339352701 700374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`, ¬ < 1339352704 744730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ,: not found < 1339352706 627405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm true < 1339352712 756553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339352717 762573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1339352719 100473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1339352723 840134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for me it is § and ½ if shifted < 1339352725 207870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a | printed on it < 1339352740 12464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :± if shifted < 1339352744 62427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339352754 936255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple keyboards are weird < 1339352758 911172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1339352759 871631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac < 1339352761 875232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339352763 624526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it < 1339352777 384213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a Windows keyboard < 1339352777 575128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is tilde on those keyboards? < 1339352780 155831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a thinkpad (running linux) < 1339352782 804024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-hash < 1339352787 797106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, where is hash? < 1339352791 418435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: to the left of z is ` (~ shifted) < 1339352791 904180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me that is shift-3 < 1339352803 123609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that a ` as a dead key? < 1339352805 247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betreen ' and return < 1339352808 917375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1339352811 900368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339352814 740678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above right shift < 1339352819 878028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no use for that for UK English speakers < 1339352826 80188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh right, where I have ä then < 1339352834 147803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not really truw < 1339352836 359546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*true < 1339352838 982922 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339352841 339733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1339352842 567322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you might want to write French? Or loan words? < 1339352848 637101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything with an ` accent in UK English? < 1339352853 953278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"café"'s is the wrong way around < 1339352856 176394 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de ja vu < 1339352859 116612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339352867 113436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can just remove all accents when writing stuff in english < 1339352867 779070 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the a < 1339352869 132032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still, that's what the alt stuff is for < 1339352871 802745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most people won't bother with it < 1339352873 622619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :déjà vu < 1339352875 808946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dead keys are kind of confusing < 1339352909 235062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean I have ^ as a dead key, yet I don't know any Swedish word with that. There are a /handful/ of words with é. Can't think of any with ` though. < 1339352925 745018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : and dead keys are kind of confusing <-- not if you are used to them? < 1339352940 799375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's confusing if you're used to it. < 1339352942 886740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using accents makes pate harder to understands < 1339352947 204113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1339352956 987543 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339352961 828446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just spell it patay < 1339352995 748569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that makes its etymological relation with the word "paste" less clear! < 1339353039 836976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it paste then! < 1339353046 518777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's something else! < 1339353048 415576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it worth learning Dvorak? < 1339353053 734009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339353056 684705 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-21-192.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1339353059 111721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to lean Dvorak than to learn Romulan! < 1339353059 769920 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in swedish it's almost called pastay < 1339353066 896530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pastej) < 1339353076 922617 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-21-192.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Elfish more than Dvorak < 1339353088 935410 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-21-192.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, personal opinion obviously < 1339353091 563535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you want to. < 1339353095 535236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do you own a keyboard with Dvorak stickers? < 1339353098 929231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nope < 1339353099 120435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Colemak, if you want to be cool, like Deewiant. < 1339353117 109565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get one as cheap as possible for learning with < 1339353133 454083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how much does it actually help unless you are writing books though? < 1339353150 269322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :When programming there is a lot more down time spent thinking about the code anyway < 1339353151 532568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes keyboard shortcuts a lot more awkward < 1339353159 810881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You might see a minor increase in typing speed, but it probably doesn't matter much. The real reason to learn such an alternate layout is ergonomics. < 1339353178 417471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you're looking at the keyboard, you're doing it wrong. < 1339353180 249538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm true. How much does it help there then. < 1339353210 905026 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-21-192.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1339353212 439840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, more stuff is on the home row and so on. Colemak's site has some statistics: http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ergonomic < 1339353229 183622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that depends on which language you write in < 1339353261 298837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colemak places the 10 most common letters of English and Backspace on the home row. <-- backspace on home row? Uh, that means a rather small key next to enter then or something? < 1339353268 503768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Colemak is an English layout. I'm sure there is a Swedish variation. < 1339353273 990934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suspect the letter frequencies are comparable. < 1339353281 238404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Caps Lock is backspace, I think. < 1339353284 146105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Deewiant maps it like that. < 1339353284 464912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339353287 637759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you're learning, stickers help < 1339353290 657432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339353294 997983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a better use for Caps Lock than Ctrl, that's for sure.) < 1339353302 125363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I disagree. < 1339353310 388386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: They'll teach you how to type on a keyboard while staring at it. < 1339353311 972704 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC in Colemak both backspace and caps lock are backspace. I swapped them instead. < 1339353327 745259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you already know how to touch-type in general, you shouldn't have to start from scratch with training wheels. < 1339353331 887066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah. < 1339353345 952077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How do you pronounce "Deewiant"? < 1339353350 658460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Multilingual – Allows to type in over 40 languages and to type various symbols, e.g. "pâté", "mañana", €, em-dash, non-breaking space." < 1339353356 671491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Multilingual#Swedish_.28Svenska.29 < 1339353373 785001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you haven't learnt, you may not be able to even log in, without stickers or some sort of guide < 1339353374 751797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Up to you whether it's like "deviant" or with a w sound instead of v. < 1339353380 233169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's also this https://gist.github.com/1293692 thing. < 1339353387 309937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doing that altgr thingy sounds a bit painful (in the first link) < 1339353391 357991 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it's (understandably) settled on the w sound. < 1339353391 999321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With Dvorak there's specific variants for each language. < 1339353393 556845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svorak or whatever. < 1339353394 707194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are after all really common letters < 1339353400 943432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah svorak exists < 1339353402 820549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's neither for me; I meant you specifically. < 1339353408 504461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you have to be able to pronounce it properly. < 1339353449 390758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I pronounce it as "dew" from "morning dew" + "iant" from "deviant". < 1339353458 474118 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In an English context, nowadays, like "deviant" but with a w sound. < 1339353465 810730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1339353467 887093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is better. < 1339353483 777318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is best. < 1339353496 248172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's second only to my pronounciation of Sgeo_, < 1339353502 106663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce Sgeo_,. < 1339353566 18068 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sÊ’iË�oÊŠ < 1339353584 670712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, with normal people methods. < 1339353585 702633 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I just say ess-geo < 1339353598 159614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I say "sssgaeoh". < 1339353607 11219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, same < 1339353608 13987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not waste all that time learning the IPA for nothing.) < 1339353617 704905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE SGEO IN NORMAL PEOPLE LANGUAGE < 1339353621 873906 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce Phantom_Hoover "fan-tom who ver" < 1339353629 436211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Szheeoh. < 1339353668 256612 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is my ick pronounced? < 1339353676 237492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT'S JUST WRONG. < 1339353676 485844 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ick/nick/ < 1339353679 714465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/caps/noncaps/ < 1339353687 417499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Like "naughty" except more tti. < 1339353695 341598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like neither coffee nor tea" < 1339353706 631486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1339353719 885293 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Sgeoct.wav < 1339353725 533550 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is almost how I pronounce it < 1339353738 321253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I pronounce it in Swedish with a slight Italian twist to it. < 1339353741 927173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no idea why) < 1339353745 528710 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like nearly how I pronouce it. < 1339353765 421033 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I tend to use a u < 1339353766 35178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, why is that on wikimedia!? < 1339353768 249204 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sugeo < 1339353772 769838 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "you" < 1339353774 897893 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "uh" < 1339353779 185470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I pronounce it like that, but it's "ay" rather than "ee". < 1339353779 701516 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suh-geo < 1339353795 125773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one sounds kidn of like "ski-oh". :P < 1339353799 186268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:p WRONG TONGUE < 1339353801 821718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I put it there a long time ago < 1339353807 735461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1339353810 733337 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sqeo < 1339353824 828819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :q? < 1339353826 369134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeeoh. < 1339353838 940397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sʉ.dÊ’ioÊŠ? < 1339353845 45598 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1339353847 821005 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the .wav sounds like it < 1339353852 778128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1339353852 969105 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saying sqeo < 1339353860 838721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't listen to it atm. < 1339353867 759458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who do you lot pronounce Taneb? < 1339353868 110294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sʉ.'dÊ’i.oÊŠ < 1339353894 904489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqeo: No, that's definitely a "g". < 1339353913 67788 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tahhh nehb < 1339353933 807773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ngevd" is more interesting to pronounce. < 1339353942 145223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I pronounce the Ta bit like in the Swedish word Tagg. The rest like in English. (Not that it tells you much) < 1339353951 79066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Å‹evd < 1339353957 132488 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sgeo < 1339353989 798519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recorded me saying a bunch of names but I sound like an idiot so you ca't hear it. SORRY. < 1339354004 156663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not used to hearing your own voice? < 1339354007 843108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you have no choice but to let us hear it now. < 1339354010 925532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds stupider in a computer but. < 1339354024 86633 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sound like a total prat, which is why I never listen to my own voice.) < 1339354043 103310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, isn't that because you are one? < 1339354051 160358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone give a list of names, and at some point I'll record me saying them < 1339354064 175308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to do Ngevd. < 1339354066 56774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it again. < 1339354086 184558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what if I give you one with non English letters in it? < 1339354095 238588 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, brb, jumping into the sea to put out that sick burn. < 1339354097 55388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been planning on recording my voice a lot, getting over the discomfort of hearing my voice, and use the recordings to perfect various accents I will find useful in my career as a secret agent < 1339354099 408471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they still Latin letters? < 1339354114 9614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ;P < 1339354114 201390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Deewiant Sgeo Taneb Ngevd Phantom_Hoover Vorpal ais523: http://ompldr.org/vZThkag/Audio%20Recording%208.m4a < 1339354138 665555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My voice is the worst. < 1339354150 425843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I kind of fumbled "Vorpal" there. < 1339354155 825345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no headphones and lose connection outside my living room < 1339354163 893879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vawwpal < 1339354165 81681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is your voice? XD < 1339354166 418336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Your family will love hearing your name! < 1339354168 511813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rude. :( < 1339354171 855863 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry one day the helium feed to your throat will stop working. < 1339354174 190295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vawwpl < 1339354177 943644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it is better than what I imagined < 1339354178 135116 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't believe that that's elliott's voice.
< 1339354179 503888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :'( < 1339354182 519472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im crey < 1339354186 249752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqeo: why :'( < 1339354191 723501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my name is neither Taneb nor Ngevd nor Vorpal < 1339354201 348231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it helps, I usually sound more monotone than that! < 1339354205 186955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I guess it is Nathan? < 1339354209 625573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the Posh Edinburgh Accent which makes me want to punch anyone else who has it. < 1339354219 788933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GUESS CORRECTLY, Vorpal < 1339354226 616119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Download it, leave living room, play it, return. < 1339354226 917193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, BY THE POWER OF WHOIS < 1339354240 890888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Record yourself saying my name!!!! < 1339354242 64145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll listen. < 1339354249 882349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you should record yourself then < 1339354253 210496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, there are people who have non-lies in their whois? < 1339354268 583031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Salparot Olsner. < 1339354275 872434 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah I don't have a micro-- oh shit I do these days. < 1339354287 773067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqeo: why unbelieve :'( < 1339354290 237638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a working mic sadly < 1339354297 127418 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it sounds like a computer. < 1339354307 881718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqeo: You realise I am a computer, right? < 1339354355 708443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I imagined your voice to be sharp and screechy kind of. So my statement about that being your voice wasn't rude, it should be considered positive instead. < 1339354366 634082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339354392 817667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqeo: You're right, I used text to speech. Here's the REAL me: < 1339354408 745515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your recording setup had some issues with skipping too. Not sure how that happened when recording audio... < 1339354413 247039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZThkbw/names.aiff < 1339354425 412303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No skips when I play it back. < 1339354435 613502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem exists between Vorpal's network connection and ears. < 1339354438 763698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339354446 815381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, they are in the same place every time < 1339354452 782512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time? < 1339354456 931593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just not hearing them. < 1339354466 314016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Deewiant < 1339354469 743009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say it < 1339354475 395611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No skips that I can hear. < 1339354476 218345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pops and/or skips < 1339354477 740547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them < 1339354479 946110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339354488 764735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip poltergeists < 1339354490 87468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I possibly blame pulseaudio then < 1339354501 659589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you want me to record how I butcher your name??? < 1339354502 923281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET YOU DO < 1339354504 892478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway http://ompldr.org/vZThkbw/names.aiff gives me [0x7f4f9c025c88] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `undf'. < 1339354511 8047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you already did once < 1339354518 321944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339354519 714162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wasn't that me attempting to get it right? < 1339354522 385531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're doing it wrong < 1339354523 434663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so whatever that is I can't play it < 1339354529 979434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm? < 1339354531 295283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the OS X text-to-speech engine saying the same names. < 1339354533 750553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was funnay joek. < 1339354543 706171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I wanted to listen to it though :P < 1339354554 780260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Try running flac on it. < 1339354554 971225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GOING TO RISK GOING INTO THE NEXT ROOM < 1339354556 967110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then playing the result. < 1339354560 669779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ENJOY < 1339354569 335254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh mplayer worked < 1339354590 501163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds a bit deeper than your voice, otherwise similar ;P < 1339354598 354358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taeynb. Njev'd. < 1339354609 778720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ay-eyes five hundred twenty three. < 1339354609 969885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are like that voice on a small dose of helium < 1339354610 161370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339354610 352347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339354615 826851 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339354620 662630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to get my headset < 1339354676 218660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339354676 409776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339354686 381672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pang < 1339354686 573474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339354690 217918 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to inform everyone that the correct pronunciation of Ngevd is ŋɛvd. < 1339354720 829731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Excuse me, it's how I pronounced it. < 1339354727 668714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1339354732 160201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean. < 1339354735 866121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct way is how I pronounce it. < 1339354741 517222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether I pronounced it that way. Didn't you listen? < 1339354743 773522 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1339354781 497589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you not listen. :( < 1339354783 908008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounced your name in it. < 1339354981 965863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :( < 1339355034 966960 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :N'geved is the WRONG WAY < 1339355045 154690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH there is no second e. < 1339355052 533123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's N'gev'd. < 1339355064 397526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it clearly starts with a ŋ < 1339355073 269369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a file, were do I put it? < 1339355078 436619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So you can't do that if the monad isn't an instance of IO Monad, right? < 1339355080 137362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ompldr.org < 1339355081 786403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *where. < 1339355113 211541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZThkeQ/names.flac < 1339355160 131280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I messed up Ngevd on account of having a sore throat < 1339355162 186343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't play FLAC here. :( < 1339355179 115334 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339355186 136307 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how quiet is that? < 1339355191 340171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339355196 145001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How quiet's quiet? < 1339355209 603177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not especially loud < 1339355215 254203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very very quiet < 1339355229 890065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone transcode that from FLAC for me. :p < 1339355233 169183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite quiet < 1339355233 821874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess I could download VLC. < 1339355235 28227 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I can't hear anything without turning all of my volume controls to max < 1339355254 575295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN TURN THEM TO MAX < 1339355274 806910 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mic was picking up a whole load of background < 1339355290 734432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit why can't I convert audio files with mplayer. < 1339355295 726086 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I still can't really hear what you are saying < 1339355318 574666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mencoder < 1339355326 681171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll re-record louder in a more elliott-friendly format < 1339355332 362086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo. < 1339355333 936943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't re-record. < 1339355334 570679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, did I forget to mention I'm on Windows. < 1339355334 936640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll ruin < 1339355335 298566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1339355336 327317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1339355340 399828 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when I turn my volumes to max I can hear that someone is speaking < 1339355341 794872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just downloads VLC.
< 1339355348 194991 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For nortti < 1339355358 415868 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not mplayer? < 1339355393 618540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like remembering the arguments to amplify things. < 1339355405 658296 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339355434 497081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. < 1339355489 702646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You sound less like a computer than me. < 1339355499 71174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I am more man than machine < 1339355543 677338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so damn manly, I barely even count as a computer. < 1339355588 897688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you < 1339355589 462737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simultaneously, I feel as if my throat is attempting to strangle me < 1339355613 699455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me 2 < 1339355632 539267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't like that you're trying to breathe through it all the time < 1339355647 158020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like that? probably not... < 1339355696 814885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i breathe through olsner usually < 1339355699 611715 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So VLC claims to have converted the file but is showing no evidence of having done so, for instance by creating a file in the new format. < 1339355724 82541 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339355724 273759 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339355735 100491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I already played it, man. < 1339355744 196816 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339355750 358840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the file I made of me saying 'Ngevd' the right way. < 1339355773 161835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339355776 809218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just upload it in whatever format, man. < 1339355787 178250 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even WMA? < 1339355851 336201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha are you transcoding from wma < 1339355853 980723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so embarrassing < 1339355858 915114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look at Phantom_Hoover. < 1339355879 806870 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339355924 373837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I would have stopped if VLC didn't have the worst UI for transcoding. < 1339355935 594392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1339355937 711493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :record it in non-wma < 1339355940 663979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use sound recorder or sth < 1339355953 539580 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *am* using Sound Recorder. < 1339355958 713839 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't give any other formats. < 1339355964 247266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339355983 705612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about audacity? That is a good program. I think there is a windows version too? < 1339355989 435972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. < 1339356004 106721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance IO Monad where monad = IO < 1339356004 919508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is < 1339356124 829330 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking finally. < 1339356131 691467 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the same sound for the sh and ch in shachaf < 1339356147 604445 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZThlbg/Ngevd.ogg < 1339356180 354917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're right < 1339356185 948653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your voice is awful < 1339356190 646923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP < 1339356193 554915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Phantom_Hoover < 1339356199 984968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- :'( < 1339356213 699148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: WELL YOU'RE WRONG < 1339356216 202039 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just accept that everyone has an awful voice < 1339356226 84792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should record yourself saying "Ngevd". < 1339356228 601717 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a well-regarded video blog < 1339356244 226873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 8 subscribers! < 1339356245 75377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never said "Ngevd < 1339356250 892145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it now. < 1339356252 26745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"; why should I start for the sake of a recording? < 1339356271 253437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've answered your own question there < 1339356295 204533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you record any other name than that? < 1339356303 136334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Taneb's recording was really quiet < 1339356329 800780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know I have a GitHub resository with SEVENTY-FIVE watchers. < 1339356343 37496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like how it is JavaScript! < 1339356349 774028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339356375 118290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you want to be famous on GitHub, your best bet is to use JavaScript or Ruby. < 1339356491 143272 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my github repositories are in the top-ten most watched < 1339356496 116079 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have github reposity with 1 watchers < 1339356504 503791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically true) < 1339356509 58706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- This interface is based on @String@, and is likely to behave < 1339356509 249754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- unpredictably on codepoints above 255. The @ByteString@-based < 1339356509 441161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- interface in "Acme.Strfry.ByteString" is recommended for serious use. < 1339356516 16500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be codepoints above 127? < 1339356539 910949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was being compared to Text < 1339356542 457450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so. < 1339356545 67821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that depends on what withCString does. < 1339356549 780605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm. < 1339356552 85652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never said ngevd but in my head i pronounce it ŋɛvd except when i slip up and accidentally pronounce it something more like ŋɛvəd woops < 1339356554 478538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's being compared to ByteString, so I guess that it wants a string of bytes < 1339356565 426849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you test what withCString does for me? < 1339356568 102111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head is a scary place < 1339356569 355762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then send a... pull requests. < 1339356577 268115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks like you're right. < 1339356582 524917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i visit your head < 1339356599 743887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need another map of your head < 1339356603 977848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> withCString "ellíott" peekCString < 1339356604 214625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ell\237ott" < 1339356610 806055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 'í' < 1339356612 210230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1339356612 401420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1339356616 636406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'í' < 1339356617 731235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 237 < 1339356620 743957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1339356627 2531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quotes the titles of B-Sides by Alternative Rock groups
< 1339356631 159356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether kmc knows this. < 1339356636 125742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"another thing to h8" < 1339356637 288049 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339356660 39473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also that snippet there is probably undefined behavior or something. < 1339356664 739208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which snippet? < 1339356666 427569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind. < 1339356668 338902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine. < 1339356672 143610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1339356672 900388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was just silly. < 1339356734 382581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.4.1/html/users_guide/release-7-4-2.html < 1339356746 287777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1/2/ < 1339356795 651251 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339356852 65631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I haven't listened to this song in ages < 1339356866 527868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strfry s = B.useAsCString s (c_strfry >=> B.packCString) < 1339356869 3333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because I don't really like it? < 1339356870 936580 :Sqeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1339356876 585092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Were you pleased to use >=> there? < 1339356882 855944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I thought of you! < 1339356886 408746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing it. < 1339356897 263598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339357048 563065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAT PROGRAM IN HASKELL < 1339357069 787851 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = sequence_ . iterate (getChar >=> putChar) $ return () < 1339357079 786982 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens < 1339357095 239396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Overkill. < 1339357096 722278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = interact id < 1339357106 247632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LAZY I/O MONSTROSITY < 1339357106 972628 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVERKILL IS THE BEST KIND OF KILL < 1339357107 657109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that doesn't work anything at all like a cat < 1339357111 45164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = getChar >>= putChar >> main -- since yours doesn't handle EOF < 1339357120 452493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = forever (getChar >>= putChar) < 1339357147 240826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just goes to show... < 1339357149 573194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more than one way to skin a cat < 1339357179 686782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = cat < 1339357201 841833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=forever(getChar>>=putChar)`catch`\_->return() < 1339357209 355977 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat.skin() < 1339357237 262699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=forever$try getChar>>=either(const$return())$(>>main).putChar < 1339357242 366507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forever$try getChar>>=either(const$return())$(>>main).putChar < 1339357243 525145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `try' < 1339357243 717295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `main' < 1339357247 875068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "try" is only part of the new exception library. < 1339357249 795782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1339357271 641590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = forever (mfix (getChar >=> putChar)) < 1339357299 175410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works? < 1339357306 575404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, yes < 1339357319 37772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1339357324 502905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't handle eof < 1339357360 553638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (getChar >=> putChar, mfix (getChar >=> putChar), forever (getChar >=> putChar)) < 1339357361 543861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> m b' < 1339357361 746575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `IO Char' < 1339357361 938057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `(>=>)', namely `getChar' < 1339357367 972150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getChar >=> putChar doesn't even type. < 1339357369 39921 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (getChar >=> putChar, mfix (getChar >=> putChar), forever (mfix (getChar >=> putChar))) < 1339357370 47517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> m b' < 1339357370 238156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `IO Char' < 1339357370 429560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `(>=>)', namely `getChar' < 1339357380 85698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I had a const in it < 1339357392 172640 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = forever (mfix (const getChar >=> putChar)) < 1339357412 859555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x >=> y, aka x >>= y < 1339357415 704348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1339357418 277458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x >=> y, aka const (x >>= y) < 1339357424 120582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1339357425 304009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339357442 459541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfix . const may be like ID, I'm not sure < 1339357485 763743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVERKILL < 1339357515 980160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend < 1339357561 98055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix . const $ "nepotism" < 1339357563 227125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "nepotism" < 1339357657 574576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some code that I wrote some time ago to object to Clojure seems to just be saying "Clojure doesn't stop you from being stupid" < 1339357689 892380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overkill leads to obfuscation, which leads to FUN < 1339357695 103369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339357706 802455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: < 1339357719 307165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott DOESN'T USE MONOSPACE FONTS FOR IRC < 1339357732 85668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true fax, from the tomodo department" < 1339357744 26669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows that. < 1339357746 94978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even monqy knows that. < 1339357785 547186 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i know that < 1339357800 587263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But did you know it before elliott told you? < 1339357811 715766 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was that < 1339357836 59549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :before elliott was born :'( < 1339357862 447886 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339357862 832804 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339357863 23246 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339357871 792393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i use irc with a variable width font" ———— elliott's first words < 1339357871 983288 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339357872 174627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339357884 543504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOODNIGHT IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OUT THERE < 1339357888 187792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.refheap.com/paste/4fd4fa18e4b0232cc152e706 < 1339357905 855842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me, maybe a year ago, objecting to Clojure not stopping people from being stupid < 1339357911 180256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Shout really loud. < 1339357913 75803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will hear it. < 1339357970 483961 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339358096 826157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339358507 466807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that was ridiculous deja vu. < 1339358826 66247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was? < 1339358835 878574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing. < 1339358843 621605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does Taneb have connection issues? < 1339358904 787746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1339359121 337429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there something like Applicative that doesn't have ordering? < 1339359131 321039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1339359142 72615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just say f <*> x === x <**> f. < 1339359145 257601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems overly strong. < 1339359364 505489 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when people talk about commutative monads < 1339359368 892050 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it means < 1339359376 768257 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could talk about a commutative lax monoidal functor < 1339359382 573569 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't quite thought what that would mean yet < 1339359388 195029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: In this case I'm just wondering because HashMap has: < 1339359395 386642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverseWithKey :: Applicative f => (k -> v1 -> f v2) -> HashMap k v1 -> f (HashMap k v2) < 1339359414 583673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a very nice function (you can implement, e.g. an efficient HashMap lens with it) < 1339359424 188004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also exposes the underlying ordering of the HashMap < 1339359429 492348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if you can get the same benefits without exposing that < 1339359430 97170 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339359435 368243 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dunno < 1339359443 435289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You do the Lens by using Cont and breaking out with the value, and when you get resumed with the replacement value, returning it.) < 1339359454 126877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For edwardk-style lenses.) < 1339359570 36388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, can you define a variant of Cont that's a commutative applicative? < 1339359576 216501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think possibly yes, but I'm not sure. < 1339359580 440159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'd have to be restricted somehow, of course.) < 1339360024 462209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1339360030 113457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An SO question from Jon Harrop tagged [haskell]. < 1339360038 487691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What are the chances this isn't some partisan trolling bullshit? < 1339360349 481488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339360495 957633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's my imagination, or if my Nook is helping me read by forcing me not to skim < 1339360648 455521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1339360657 769137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339360657 989118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339360661 81760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339360661 291432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 18h 15m 58s ago: actually, how can you use "1" in your presentation if you're using a semigroup? they don't have an identity < 1339360668 304759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm using a semi/ring/ < 1339360670 746198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have two identities < 1339360672 166007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 and 1 < 1339360690 745488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and both addition and multiplication, which interact with 0 and 1 like you'd expect) < 1339360695 868311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, semiring < 1339360698 498716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1339360842 620518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339364105 694981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does mean < 1339364123 34126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the value was optimised out < 1339364132 415116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the code was optimised to not need that value < 1339364145 399380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339364163 797656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i turn off all optimizations, i can find out what it is < 1339364224 811528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that you have a bug in your program < 1339364226 808847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise, why would you be using a debugger?) < 1339364234 459021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got a sign from GOD. < 1339364236 850560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn right i have a bug < 1339364254 441200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bug being "it doesnt work and doesnt give me any indication of why" < 1339364255 418642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: remove the bug < 1339364277 749545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws olsner at the problem, sees if he sticks
< 1339364294 610324 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: convert bug to other type of bug < 1339364307 792932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: redefine bug as feature < 1339364308 8115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind that explains itself? < 1339364316 62593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good idea < 1339364362 358413 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you mean the microsoft way of handling bugs? < 1339364378 530625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guess what this new scoring system does? it epitomizes equality and fair play by giving all competitors a score of 0! no more squabbling about who is the best, and no more chaos on the hill. it's revolutionary! < 1339364397 208094 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339364430 272469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That sounds kind of egalitarian. < 1339364436 734849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would change your name and move to another country ASAP. < 1339364453 378827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :aipotniuq < 1339364461 627954 :aipotniuq!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden sure is nice this time of year < 1339364520 629460 :aipotniuq!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia < 1339365382 731576 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339365393 448599 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :push everything four salad salad < 1339365412 938806 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339365592 488446 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't sleep, whenever i close my eyes i start thinking about the ranks of countably converging cellular automata < 1339365601 636305 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339365618 19366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1339365631 655396 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1339365936 424704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sign from GOD? What kind of sign? Stop sign? Or the other sign? < 1339365945 535086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can CCDs degrade over time as to produce noisier images? When I compared a picture I took today and one I took ten years ago with the same camera under similar conditions the one I took today is significantly noiser. (Similar subjects too, large grey areas) < 1339365983 749655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Other sign. < 1339365993 106563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other sign? < 1339366019 110316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask elliott. < 1339366020 857321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both were taken with ISO 64. f/11, and similar times (1/500 and 1/450) < 1339366042 576796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What other sign does shachaf get? < 1339366162 719424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: GOD's. < 1339366193 540191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sign Panther also left me some signs. < 1339366208 11925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LITTLE-KNOWN FACT: When I played _World of Goo_, I thought the signs were life by "The Sign Panther". < 1339366276 653421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is GOD's sign, but still that doesn't explain much. < 1339366278 489857 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really they were death by him < 1339366305 910867 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the little goos when to gooey heaven < 1339366313 995044 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say went < 1339366320 528081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh believe me < 1339366323 721583 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say went < 1339366412 520983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :signs from MOM! < 1339367104 629877 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DD60.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339367105 503592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339367885 229213 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339367996 784206 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339368013 858118 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339368428 76742 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339368849 160033 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey shachaf give elliott portal 2 < 1339368862 54701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately: play portal 2 with me < 1339368870 410940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No don't play Portal 2 with PH he's awful. < 1339368887 476476 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful by which you mean amazing < 1339368900 724489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, I'll play Portal 2 with you! < 1339368903 371575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not today, though. < 1339368907 883067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i needed to go a while ago" < 1339368922 986341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339368928 660031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know some things about 6502 programming, such as how I could add support for music subroutines to PPMCK? < 1339368939 799701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, elliott said he wouldn't even get around to it if I did. < 1339368942 966176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for, like, a month" < 1339368948 708511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339368951 548505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that! < 1339368953 18482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i will play with you < 1339368964 587729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD SAY < 1339368971 822165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll play Portal 2 with you N units of time before shachaf plays Portal 2 with you if shachaf gives me it. < 1339368975 381954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAMMMMM < 1339369041 179043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal 2 has an achievement for completing the game, then playing co-op with someone who has never played co-op before (or completed the game before?) < 1339369051 168327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it's set up so it's theoretically impossible for /everyone/ to get it < 1339369056 971823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover just doesn't have any friends < 1339369063 609217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real reason < 1339369079 301623 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not true < 1339369087 469639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339369088 54342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339369095 121234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'll pay you $99999 for protals 1 & 3 < 1339369113 733924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: offer not valid when 3 is released? < 1339369121 621047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s my age < 1339369122 333890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339369123 352412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if 3 is released) < 1339369129 106184 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339369141 749558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 .&. 3 :: Int < 1339369142 917063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1339369145 654196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OKAY < 1339369154 685352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND ALSO 2 < 1339369167 61438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND ALSO IT'S 0 instead of $9999999 < 1339369184 225826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0: a number so cool, it doesn't even need units" < 1339369195 918499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1339370118 598585 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339370558 765903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe I could play Portal 1... right now? < 1339370565 250170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it fun early on. < 1339370572 888627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is it. < 1339370577 112548 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wit is < 1339370579 271868 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it is < 1339370653 509855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can my computer run Portal 2. < 1339370656 832804 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1339370661 864860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339370669 78756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How good a connection, latency-wise, do you need for Portal 2 coop?) < 1339370674 795809 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1339371218 61967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I meet Portal 2's system requirements? I think? < 1339371224 990902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if this card counts as Nvidia 8600M or higher. < 1339371299 76576 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but the thing is it's a Valve game so the start is kind of babystepping and you don't want to stop right as the pace picks up. < 1339371313 781679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I don't have time to play the whole thing right now! < 1339372784 709678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does Portal really only take two hours to complete? < 1339372899 37195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks shachaf. < 1339373044 360470 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339373110 686441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339373332 949248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal is a short game yes < 1339373340 111889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played portal 2 < 1339373503 877877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1339373530 70796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long time ago, I used a main password on a website that stores passwords in plaintext. < 1339373530 944993 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal may take longer if you get stuck on puzzles < 1339373541 524590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm bad at puzzles but < 1339373549 657151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i'm not < 1339373552 247212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i am < 1339373554 393715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ~depends~ < 1339373566 501020 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway portal is good & worth playing < 1339373571 32112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think shachaf is away though. :'( < 1339373574 878290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard mixed things about portal 2 < 1339373579 124366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I CAN'T PLAY PORTAL. < 1339373588 122664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is the Half-Life series also worth playing? < 1339373610 388646 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only played hl2. this was a while ago but i think i liked it < 1339373705 15983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If I play them I have to start with HL1. < 1339373707 852719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339373757 692517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear hl1 is good < 1339373773 835839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH didn't like it, I think. But then he's PH. < 1339373777 451145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did he even try it? I forget. < 1339373794 638451 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339373810 52000 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339373996 142420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why are you at work at 3 am? < 1339373997 176189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im away :'( < 1339374001 797549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1339374008 235455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does portal 2 really only take 2 hours < 1339374024 946385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you mean Portal 1" < 1339374036 729186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick question: There is no such thing. < 1339374046 530405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1339374047 872607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by portal 2 < 1339374048 476106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339374049 253293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal 1 < 1339374052 423562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does portal 1 really only take 2 hours < 1339374058 140080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Took me longer. < 1339374063 657698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I was playing it "with someone else" < 1339374076 815526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did it `take' < 1339374095 791727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1339374112 742084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm "up for playing portal 1 now" < 1339374117 144175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how horrible is steam i;ve never used it < 1339374121 367516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1339374123 716221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i oppose it on ideological grounds but have never used it ha ha ha < 1339374130 948951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad < 1339374138 787079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339374141 167443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it worse on os x < 1339374155 214662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run the windows version in wine so < 1339374157 950600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the worst for me < 1339374186 630382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know steam is coming to linxueseh < 1339374190 531679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`now you know' < 1339374190 723296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339374192 779652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew < 1339374193 790316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: now: not found < 1339374201 570387 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i get weird breaky things like the windows moving a bit by themselves < 1339374204 34986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's pretty worse. :-( < 1339374218 337049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339374219 532865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty worse: worse than pretty bad" < 1339374232 537418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and pretty bad is pretty bad all on its won" < 1339374234 812178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"own" < 1339374238 856030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use it to bug people when i;m playing the game "that's all i need & demand from a thing that is going to get between me and games" < 1339374257 759849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i just use irc for bug < 1339374262 828824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The very fact that you're playing a game "bugs people". < 1339374276 147035 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it notifies them your playing game) < 1339374279 519365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should install Steam to demonstrate your good intentions! < 1339374284 814586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but can i bug them with < 1339374289 595297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~personal messages~ i don't like impersonal bugging < 1339374294 919053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "hi" needs to be typed by me ! < 1339374296 289875 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bug them with that too < 1339374299 782015 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1339374299 973073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill install steam < 1339374306 210958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: excellent ph will never rest a day in his life again < 1339374314 751188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1339374320 390799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what < 1339374331 526130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is there a limit to how many times you can redownload something from steam < 1339374334 204806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ive nevver used it i just use irc < 1339374351 584756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: irc requires switching windows and stuff < 1339374361 843320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use windowed mode!!! < 1339374364 783608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if steam is anything like the OTHER things i've used it'll properly overlay on top of the game < 1339374365 274676 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fullscren bothers me < 1339374366 869203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: gross < 1339374372 709340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :games in windowed mode are wrong < 1339374373 967957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gross!!! < 1339374376 962646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of your immersion monqy!!! < 1339374379 261902 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong!!! < 1339374379 452551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about::: < 1339374383 160764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crawl in windowed mode" < 1339374384 202638 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my immersion is perfectly fine < 1339374384 508578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two-button mouse strongly recommended" < 1339374387 598922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqys-crawl in windowed mode" < 1339374388 846558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right. < 1339374391 608637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So, um. < 1339374397 30691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal uses the mouse, right? < 1339374400 632808 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339374401 359489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1339374401 967681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339374406 40108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339374409 327436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How great would... < 1339374409 602185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "first person" < 1339374411 729136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal with a touchpad be? < 1339374411 988782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you gotta have a mouse" < 1339374417 760833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just. Theoretically! < 1339374418 1437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and it gotta have two buttons" < 1339374421 993493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can right click with this thing! < 1339374425 927121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Minecraft with this thing! < 1339374428 432363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played a fps except instead of shooting bullets you shoot puzzles < 1339374429 887144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just, like, get a mouse, man. < 1339374432 843935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intensely unpleasant, but... < 1339374436 444111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's 1:27 am! < 1339374441 942480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go to sleep" < 1339374448 582544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i just showed him" < 1339374449 132124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've already resolved to buy a DualShock 3 thing to play games with. < 1339374466 743574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwats that < 1339374472 834556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Instead of a dualshock 3 thing < 1339374474 558083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"get a mouse" < 1339374475 688608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: playstation 3 controller < 1339374478 537821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339374479 398116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nowhere to put a mouse < 1339374491 71257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "on the touchpad" < 1339374491 958660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (playstation controllers are the best console controllers - elliott religion) < 1339374497 322463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ew < 1339374500 743434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we have an offtopic channel for this conversation? < 1339374500 934755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd scrape < 1339374502 955321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339374503 830301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer mouse for fps "'game pads' are weird" < 1339374505 560969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the off-topic channel < 1339374509 24500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1339374511 380127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: they are but < 1339374513 534902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS CHANNEL = ESOLANGS < 1339374514 615681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one purchase is better than two! < 1339374516 420363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1339374520 891693 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use mouse < 1339374525 100001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and key board < 1339374536 575181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im laptop < 1339374537 524831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no place to put laptop down < 1339374545 136877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZThtOQ/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-11%20at%2001.27.49.png simply drag < 1339374545 566582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor < 1339374561 228391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: floor is bad mousepad < 1339374567 818591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put laptop on floor < 1339374569 632357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Get an < 1339374570 780920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put mouspad on floor < 1339374571 931781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optical mouse" < 1339374573 82294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is steam meant to be a 1x1 pixel window? < 1339374578 368770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1339374583 614224 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont "get" mac instals they're wierd < 1339374584 284275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now you see why people hate Steam so much. < 1339374585 379631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Optimal mice are still yucky on floor. < 1339374587 612667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i dont use a mac" - monqy < 1339374590 656076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floor is all, like, lumpy. < 1339374595 444176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Get a LAZER mouse. < 1339374599 287308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: applications just run from anywhere < 1339374603 412177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you put them in /Applications because < 1339374605 519315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a "track ball" (laiughter) < 1339374606 199916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why would you put them anywhere else" < 1339374607 419614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know it's cool 'cause it's spelled with a zee" < 1339374611 991901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a trackball! < 1339374613 646192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not a zed btw, a zee" < 1339374614 689062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it for a while. < 1339374615 703239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucked. < 1339374620 237667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use a trackball! < 1339374623 676381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339374629 516464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now it's updating Steam. < 1339374638 180404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i'd rather fps with trackball than touchpad < 1339374640 652024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I installing this Satanic thing? < 1339374646 877955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqy opinions" < 1339374656 271180 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating is steam's thing, man < 1339374657 604362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "how much for a monqy opinion" < 1339374658 697346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well um I'm probably not going to get very far with this touchpad, but. < 1339374670 273461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, seriously, don't use a touchpad. < 1339374673 386673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i'd rather fps with trackball than "game pad" < 1339374677 337215 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bad at sticks < 1339374680 236486 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339374682 52348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :camera sticks < 1339374685 148723 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :camera sticks are weird, man < 1339374692 631080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the "elliott" account name is taken? < 1339374692 821206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy always gets "camera stuck" < 1339374694 723312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET IT!!!!! < 1339374694 953452 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't use them to aim!!! < 1339374700 942885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't like sticks for camera movement in FPSes either. < 1339374710 313586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should get:: "ehird" < 1339374713 461270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam - working < 1339374714 921391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah I am. < 1339374719 979726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Steam spam you? < 1339374738 242575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when you try to log in from a new computer. < 1339374743 866710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam - working < 1339374747 243129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay" < 1339374747 956613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an elegant indicator of progress < 1339374750 31637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop up a new window < 1339374752 91652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :title: Steam - working < 1339374755 420873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :text: Steam - working < 1339374766 870344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam requires an answer to a predefined secret question? < 1339374770 98074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people like Valve so much? < 1339374771 579937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is horrible. < 1339374781 233195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is the name of your school?" "Elliott" < 1339374786 598726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I *am* school, see?) < 1339374831 297711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow im scvhool too < 1339374851 40191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, thanks for echoing my password back at me in plain text, Steam. < 1339374862 245427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is this still your current email address?" I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU SECONDS AGO < 1339374875 723831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for double security < 1339374881 626579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have a Steam account now. < 1339374886 619860 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1339374892 191529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the part where I add "friends" and get "achievements"? < 1339374900 322628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have neither of these. IRL, I mean. < 1339374906 20964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"achievement unlocked: unlocked achievement" < 1339374906 304762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":'(" < 1339374912 98047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ":'(" < 1339374925 150370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew, ew, it identifies me by my email address? < 1339374933 499253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow you can't add friends without games. < 1339374934 627328 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam does lots of things < 1339374938 988565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1339374955 540899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: How do I make it stop identifying me as [firstpartofmyemailaddress]+*****? The asterisks are covering up "steam" for some reason. < 1339374968 535594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I just have to change my "profile name". < 1339374972 270310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is... < 1339374991 994255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst piece of software installed on my computer. < 1339374997 206557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the club < 1339375017 727429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what monqy said" < 1339375020 857879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exclusive" < 1339375022 943495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"members only" < 1339375031 729054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, scrolling the store is really awful. < 1339375033 276612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know how you could make it even worse? < 1339375035 143000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a touchpad, see? < 1339375039 204950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it scrolls in discrete increments in Steam. < 1339375042 582871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it also does smooth scrolling. < 1339375045 644267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's really disorienting. < 1339375046 895252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINT: < 1339375050 440945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"run steam under wine" < 1339375057 466959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shachaf said < 1339375069 804287 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1339375092 737513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/id/ehird/ ive got my own url im famous now < 1339375099 583798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "now comes the time when you gift elliott portal 2" < 1339375101 408309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right??" < 1339375119 828319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the background of the library changes each time. < 1339375123 660638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "like" I mean this is awful. < 1339375124 499420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even own portal 2 myself < 1339375148 646492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like "the backdoors installed on your system now" < 1339375151 958167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"free of charge" < 1339375154 899841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got portal when it was free < 1339375157 382328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it says "This user has also played as:", do those entries expire after a while? < 1339375161 878818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+***** is so silly. < 1339375171 821154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should "gift" me Portal. < 1339375174 288349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can become your "friend". < 1339375204 316396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet monqy can't wait to be my "friend". < 1339375205 563194 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's your emmail isnt it < 1339375208 737307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's the only thing he lives for. < 1339375212 206765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's an awful email. :( < 1339375217 442477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to change it. < 1339375222 374867 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few emails < 1339375223 921656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want a domain to change it to. < 1339375225 467811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half of them are awful < 1339375227 305011 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are fake < 1339375232 122973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fake? < 1339375234 968663 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1339375240 183231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know one of monqy's emails oh no shachaf added me. < 1339375244 969151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "done" < 1339375246 854426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably know uh < 1339375252 389633 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the decent ones < 1339375255 911243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Go online, silly. < 1339375261 258442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i';ve mentioned any of the bad ones < 1339375264 99197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't remember how I found it out. < 1339375264 883019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i don't have steam installed ehre" < 1339375270 20550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I went "aha!" when I found it out, though, so it must have been cunning. < 1339375278 372615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1339375285 357334 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it awful < 1339375289 766109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1339375290 290312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197989530627 is this you monqy < 1339375293 823401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "do you know elliott's email address" < 1339375295 35488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339375296 143543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not me < 1339375298 854529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it says monqy < 1339375300 131856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you searching for me < 1339375302 298641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1339375303 319907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many monqys < 1339375310 681449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuugh i have to clean out my friends list and such < 1339375314 715261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that things been untouched for years < 1339375319 541825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends list and profile info < 1339375321 54746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry i gave up after searching for "monqy" < 1339375324 832277 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably everything else too ok good < 1339375350 350187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198011012274 the other result for monqy though < 1339375358 533938 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not monqy < 1339375393 516115 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Member since: December 28, 2009" wow ive been a long time < 1339375398 514694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last Online: 80 days ago < 1339375405 282883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it up, me < 1339375412 369392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/id/mrmistermonkey < 1339375414 912683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is that you monqy" < 1339375422 574854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"looks like it" < 1339375424 259003 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're awufl "did you know that" < 1339375425 245297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi monqy" < 1339375432 860012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im shame < 1339375437 787189 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to hide and bury mself in hide < 1339375440 944734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im comfort < 1339375442 555939 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out i already cleaned up my friends list < 1339375444 884672 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat u 2 it < 1339375449 643642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION propels waves of comfort to monqy
< 1339375452 437596 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt clean up anything else though oops < 1339375455 638668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r being buffeted by the waves of comfort < 1339375461 722571 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i cleaned up my profile pic! < 1339375471 138054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: < 1339375471 771619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal < 1339375472 655468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.1 hrs on record < 1339375475 151397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339375477 883049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1339375483 514701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "it takes": < 1339375485 953177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"16.1 hours" < 1339375487 885130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to beat portal" < 1339375493 429885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if ur monqy" < 1339375497 644456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played lots of portal after i beat it !!!! < 1339375509 967974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "what did you do" < 1339375514 151758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beat it again????" < 1339375518 341250 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i beat it at least 2 more times after that, one of which was the radios thing < 1339375524 318654 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also did advanced chambers and uh < 1339375531 72912 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably left it running while not playing < 1339375540 646806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it;s ok some of us are slow at games < 1339375544 390133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to make excuses!!! < 1339375550 563469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wasnt slow!!! < 1339375553 341947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1339375571 399960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think the first time or two i played it though the achievements didnt work so those are "messed up" < 1339375594 689494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i only played through hl2 once. same deal. but then i played it a bit again i think? so i have some early achievements < 1339375595 830210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too bad I never got any of the achievements" - past monqy < 1339375605 754772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: < 1339375610 370296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is that a self self portrait" < 1339375615 478635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i think it is" < 1339375617 488830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what < 1339375618 833627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pear? < 1339375623 217258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes" < 1339375624 427594 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339375633 232373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the very same pear < 1339375637 135538 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very same < 1339375646 664965 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not a rainbow ghost < 1339375649 15444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not going to add monqy as a friend so he doesn't have to deal with the pain of declining my request "that's what friends are for" < 1339375669 272399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woudlnt decline it !!! id just probably never log onto steam to accept it < 1339375671 964288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VAC Status: In good standing" i don;t even know what this is < 1339375676 7742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :valve anticheat < 1339375682 786672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The question remains, Mr. Threepwood, whether or not you can beat a pear" < 1339375684 346665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :police state ! < 1339375700 230101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooow steam is so bad < 1339375887 292909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf you gotta gifts me the portals so i can add monqy < 1339375900 35993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "you can do that anyway" < 1339375905 71719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1339375907 990305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to add a game first < 1339375913 250852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his whole profile is greyed out if i log in < 1339375914 70076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "hey" < 1339375915 716379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unclickable < 1339375921 982022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours worked because you added me < 1339375922 350013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "want a team fortress 2 hat instead" < 1339375926 891183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i;d rather dire < 1339375927 659311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1339375928 335371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i hear those are popular" < 1339375935 944290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i play tf2 im not doing hats < 1339375936 482487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1339375937 239976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hats < 1339375938 972086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1339375939 937397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1339375943 503132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "you can get tf2 for free btw" < 1339375945 612489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1339375949 95565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll add tf2 since ph keeps telling me to play tf2 with him. < 1339375951 181102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is tf2 good. < 1339375951 783170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you'd have a game! < 1339375956 709376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "no its boring" < 1339375960 724912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1339375961 697217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shachaf facts" < 1339375971 295561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost as good as monqy facts" < 1339376004 463121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monqy < 1339376007 321021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with tf2 is it gets old quick then i have to take a big break < 1339376019 625542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait!!!! < 1339376022 812614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but is it ever fun < 1339376026 184329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "you can get games from the humble bundles" < 1339376026 375393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1339376027 936301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't add an unfun game as my first profile game < 1339376029 223672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you get free steam keys" < 1339376035 440247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no i dont want to play them through steam < 1339376040 947376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to reduce my steam infection to its minimal point < 1339376042 471397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but that way you can add monqy" < 1339376044 358732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok i'll add it then < 1339376046 369162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you delete games later < 1339376055 54897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i erase any knowledge that tf2 was my first-added game from steam < 1339376060 426053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "no" < 1339376064 407646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forever known" < 1339376067 513398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is shachaf lies < 1339376076 496746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also it records how many hours you've played each game" < 1339376078 961529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam fortress 2 < 1339376082 888311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but can't you delete! < 1339376084 97314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hall of shame" < 1339376119 301863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can;etl; you sdlet;re < 1339376149 242783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1339376161 801659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant you delete games < 1339376163 911863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from steem < 1339376170 126047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: elliott is asking whether you can delete games from your Steam game list. < 1339376172 595270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: im not accepting any gift that starts with "Create your own paradox... for the love of pie" < 1339376173 652500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a way to do it. < 1339376179 786672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "too bad" < 1339376203 948847 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : idont know < 1339376214 473762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll add tf2 < 1339376220 587179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for future reference < 1339376221 618595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame monqy < 1339376234 630961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow tf2 is < 1339376235 51661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :big < 1339376238 818982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add a smaller game instead < 1339376248 827231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like the pieradox game?? < 1339376256 906648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'd have to kill myself < 1339376260 444216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i added that one as my first one < 1339376268 579742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "were you happy when you saw: gift received" < 1339376276 353022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pranked :'(" < 1339376278 250669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there was a pang of "oh god" < 1339376298 669501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know what would be a gr8 first two games to add < 1339376305 820837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"braid" < 1339376307 296271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and" < 1339376309 729833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"psychoanuts???" < 1339376311 376206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal < 1339376311 930342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& < 1339376312 797214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal 2 < 1339376314 881713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from shachaf < 1339376316 723446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :th ebest gifts < 1339376319 344155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuugh why is steam sending me my access code to my old awful email < 1339376322 339663 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam i hate you < 1339376334 604263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's your awful email? < 1339376334 907285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: your old email can't possibly be as bad as mine < 1339376336 237112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont think you can detatch steam from your bad email < 1339376338 452990 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wont tell you < 1339376342 298182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what < 1339376342 592798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wont tell you < 1339376345 6276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt < 1339376346 313636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking for yrs < 1339376348 561463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just comfort < 1339376349 266645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1339376350 109689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339376351 369463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339376351 909149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i < 1339376353 140206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :email gabe < 1339376354 960888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll detach it for me < 1339376366 371031 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339376371 7821 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure becaus: i think i changed the email steam uses, but it didnt chagne? ? ?? ? ???? < 1339376386 119994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway can i have < 1339376388 20758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :protal < 1339376392 60478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1339376393 364671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- me < 1339376407 636168 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have gotten it when it was free!!! like me < 1339376413 655502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a cheap victory" < 1339376457 722820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very random!!!!" < 1339376472 754758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339376513 121948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can i have portal :( < 1339376516 814504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that you < 1339376519 564248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you quote yourself < 1339376520 390466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i installed steam just for you!!! < 1339376529 481369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "do i look like" < 1339376536 199221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "a PENGUIN to you" < 1339376550 332940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did i install steam for nothing :( < 1339376551 959531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful ! < 1339376561 885617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gulls and penguins "the same" < 1339376580 217698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Am I a gull? < 1339376582 665798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stea mis bad at verifiying my special authentication code!!!! < 1339376587 579085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that swhat a shcahfaf is right < 1339376594 572534 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the same: duck < 1339376602 659055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the same: monkey < 1339376610 871117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH monqy!!!!!" < 1339376624 741997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously < 1339376656 622970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you logued in < 1339376660 170649 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noi < 1339376661 791101 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam is being < 1339376662 885782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1339376726 416116 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it successed < 1339377124 461255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does 6502 lack a command to increment the accumulator? < 1339377199 82111 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339377200 172111 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339377773 197817 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339377839 677041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some processors you can even increment an immediate value < 1339377896 443605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it won't work if the program is stored in ROM; but if it is bank switching with the bank switch address the same as ROM address, then it can be used for that purpose) < 1339378853 207568 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I declare delight in your voyages. < 1339378921 417592 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That "hi every1 im new!!!!!!!" thing is a 5 year old /b/ post that made the rounds. < 1339378944 840089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ha < 1339378961 514036 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, that was posted on friggin' /b/.) < 1339379507 991807 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339379968 47592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339379968 238590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339380104 875155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was a joke about elliott. < 1339380245 833442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339380381 101471 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339381298 500431 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339381500 128962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339381672 662101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott new scoring is implemented and afaik functional. i'll let you install it. < 1339381672 890115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339382712 305181 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Does anyone here have a recipe for macaroni casserole? tswett is looking for one. < 1339382727 2747 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To answer the question someone is about to ask me: yes. < 1339382787 716608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a recipe for macaroni casserole here. There's only one copy. Should I put it in the shredder? < 1339382791 34955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, OK. < 1339382808 81120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1339383025 226997 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now take it back out of the shredder. < 1339383108 911044 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339383264 10277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't. < 1339383308 982959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper jam? < 1339383318 105315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unjam advised < 1339383705 788046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper jam = the most delicious kind of jam < 1339383941 869456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/DcIQ < 1339384250 637620 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1339384250 855732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try to use emacs starter kit? < 1339384387 225690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1339384474 990106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use Lispcabinet < 1339385690 339056 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze < 1339385945 148272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clojars website SUCKS < 1339386108 798178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sedevacant Catholic vs .... not entirely sure what fight in #jesus is starting. < 1339386117 912467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fight might be the wrong word < 1339387505 844365 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.230.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339387515 552660 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.230.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just as I log back in... < 1339387529 461076 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.230.141 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339387954 293939 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You must be a glutton for punishment. < 1339387975 899742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the arguing didn't really start < 1339387995 803936 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, surely #jesus is evidence that the Judeo-Christian mythos is correct, and #jesus is hell in it? :P < 1339388133 696523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339388170 221951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I mean, surely #jesus is evidence that the Judeo-Christian mythos is correct, and #jesus is hell in it? :P < 1339388172 178417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment! < 1339388192 233436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's nice < 1339388194 783900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods Gregor
< 1339388195 14245 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo bork < 1339388432 66592 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339389778 51754 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339390044 905264 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339390050 417111 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339390345 436582 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339390363 431776 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339391807 310815 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339392173 223701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339392174 765744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1339392174 979565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339392184 557017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:23 quintopia said 2h 55m 8s ago: new scoring is implemented and afaik functional. i'll let you install it. < 1339392186 378474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "you"?? < 1339392193 116722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you realise I do not administer EgoBot, right? < 1339392630 211140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YO YO YO DAWG < 1339392637 398857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339392638 524683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished "the poratl" yet?? < 1339392642 627371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339392653 361697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:23 ok i palyed up to level 18 < 1339392662 992990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved for there because its 6:30 am < 1339392672 222853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow i will < 1339392673 98010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the rest < 1339393653 840778 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339393686 53869 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339393705 151319 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1339397100 412008 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339398021 223327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia To clarify, I don't run EgoBot and have no ability to instal lanything on it. < 1339398021 414131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339398025 252074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG 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< 1339485430 268076 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1339485557 837954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339512963 797047 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339512992 221245 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339512992 684295 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339512992 874811 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339513086 638026 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339513101 602597 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339513182 14819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339513202 951363 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339514519 911017 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339515297 527424 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339515434 146867 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339515794 697114 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Next up: How to jailbreak your browser" < 1339516771 966562 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://crna.cc/magenta.html < 1339516926 553824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: printf "\x1b[8;24;80t" < 1339516971 465716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "no" < 1339517160 709829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Too late. < 1339517177 419414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Can that make the window floating before doing that?) < 1339517185 196096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have to manually float it as it stands.) < 1339517226 7770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating? As in tiling window managers? I guess X might have some kind of message for that but I really don't know almost anything about X under the hood. < 1339518070 602885 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339518759 861082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, as in that. < 1339518858 114114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1339518859 62643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobel Prize ? < 1339518859 253494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me but, i win a nobel prize if i say that the fibonacci phenomenon is due to rotation of earth "plus" growth factor ??? < 1339518859 253678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example... for the spiral of sunflowers, and sea animal shells, just draw a straight line...very slowly...maybe following the sun light... and the rotation of earth make (plus growth factor) it become a spiral... does anybody before me understand it ??? < 1339518860 145908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1339518862 80949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M.G. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.25.124.250 (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC) < 1339518864 62085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1339518867 311338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fibonacci_number#Nobel_Prize_.3F < 1339518892 158450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Will M.G. win a Nobel Prize? < 1339518947 806171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339518957 577850 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobel prizes for maths & horticulture < 1339519430 349667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobel peas prize < 1339519824 685787 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339519944 370306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome seg < 1339519945 688048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome segorev < 1339519947 199350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome segorev < 1339519949 83245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339519960 747869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :seg: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339519965 625299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :segorev: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339519966 421735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :segorev: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339521147 336267 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1339521297 78821 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339524953 94866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339525527 822322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play Ratchet and Clank 3 again... < 1339526065 640433 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339526462 969024 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339526463 216422 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339526463 407536 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339526646 188738 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339526978 123305 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339527271 627695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339527623 900622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: there's a very special message waiting for you < 1339527627 78035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will make you < 1339527629 631563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so proud" < 1339527631 351993 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339527631 895187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339527664 947663 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( / yes i knew / yes i knew / ok < 1339529113 130403 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339529411 759076 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Phantom_Hoover new album < 1339529423 613726 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb already saw < 1339529440 623611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339529441 228672 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I tried to tab-complete you. Huh. < 1339529453 315237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339529453 926035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you tried Ngevd? < 1339529494 380114 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I tried both, but I'm more sure I tried ngevd, so < 1339529515 549662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's okay :) < 1339529551 742105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: today's logs seem cut off < 1339529552 197732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339529573 975568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er sorry, yesterday's < 1339529687 494942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's don't even exist < 1339529718 897514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor Logs are broken since 2012-06-11 < 1339529719 346063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339529866 916804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339529867 368377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 25m 28s ago: Ben Olmstead commented on the Malbolge 99 bottles of beer some years ago. < 1339529867 559953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 22m 51s ago: Ha ha, people who trust TIOBE. < 1339529867 560041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 22m 20s ago: Using pastebin.com makes me sad, by the way. < 1339529867 560083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 22m 15s ago: At least use pastie or something. < 1339529867 560124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 22m 1s ago: (Or hpaste; it's not Haskell-exclusive.) < 1339529896 790764 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIOBE < 1339529905 200276 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339529917 27222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: today's logs seem cut off < 1339529922 697544 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thingy taht tracks poplarity of logs < 1339529924 887592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I already @told. < 1339529928 622216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the tunes logs. < 1339529933 344834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1339529945 540358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I think you several letters. < 1339530023 37307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was munging some data that was pasted to sprunge, which doesn't have a web interface, so i just started typing paste into my address line and pastebin.com was the first thing to appear in the suggestions. (probably from something on reddit.) < 1339530070 905152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered omploader but wasn't sure if that was just for pictures < 1339530088 437977 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use paste.dy.fi but it is finnish < 1339530094 512174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have used hpaste if that had popped into my mind < 1339530110 649522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use curl, you wimp :P < 1339530132 672835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, install a program? how rude. < 1339530218 138882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also haskell reaching spot 25 surely means _something_, even if TIOBE's an inaccurate measure < 1339530229 608442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiobe just uses google hits or something < 1339530234 109715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339530255 534264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment about logo is hilarious :P < 1339530285 877208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt "haskell programming" shows up much unrelated... < 1339530322 161221 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you find that info? < 1339530411 985142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html < 1339530429 854549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it's the top google hit for TIOBE or anything... < 1339530484 401032 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "This site requires JavaScript." what language is number 1? < 1339530489 61715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason i went there was because someone wanted to know what i meant by using arrows to show changes, and i recalled they used it) < 1339530492 631287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i doubt nortti's computer can use google. < 1339530493 551703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. < 1339530502 35742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. < 1339530509 934074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can use google < 1339530516 866864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: C, Java, C++, Objective-C < 1339530518 58679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you < 1339530723 2938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell ais523 Oh wait, it's not places, it's points. < 1339530752 164371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're looking at my diff, i do realize using -10 to mean going up 10 places is a little confusing < 1339530771 226186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1339530825 593673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assumed people here were smart enough to interpret it >:) < 1339530847 269893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to complain, but then I switched to thinking it made a lot more sense than the alternative < 1339531445 873420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339531564 757467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339533036 32296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYe < 1339533037 845175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339533104 428537 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339533173 843594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339533702 467811 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339534432 832289 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339534477 444289 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339534488 436532 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1339534523 480782 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339535062 337227 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339535159 925270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? < 1339535224 303403 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339535239 75592 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339535250 626987 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339535386 258258 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 'hi!' < 1339535493 629746 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339537363 840638 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339538536 446068 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339539286 243936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1339539688 625485 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339539774 892290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339539790 761301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339539794 396876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339539795 680426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hi ends here < 1339539966 912126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: drawing the line, picard style? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDbfCbQnH8 < 1339540082 106877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=chuck+norris < 1339540097 674403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chuck norris says "hi" < 1339540098 726569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339540100 919892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not clicking tha tlink < 1339540211 320026 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see the box on the right < 1339540212 570270 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has facts < 1339540231 555564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you don;t realise how terrible you are!!! < 1339540240 848820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, google seems to be unable to complete the secure transaction < 1339540281 408706 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( < 1339540292 654003 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also try lionel richie) < 1339540295 396540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the automatic google search that happens when loading fails suggests I may be looking for "google" < 1339540326 315642 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1339540410 311910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I manually google for chuck norris I get sucky localized personalized google that doesn't do anything useful at all < 1339540564 88972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-40.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339540569 512268 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339540679 438942 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, logged out of everything google, now it works perfectly < 1339540688 228076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really like to punish me for having a gmail account < 1339541830 83661 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you on google.com on your manual search? < 1339541834 593235 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the box is only on google.com currently < 1339541897 445886 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weird: < 1339541902 392368 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.apple.com/ < 1339541989 437483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1339542027 85921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was using the sucky localized personalized google that doesn't do anything useful at all < 1339542062 912935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because google.com required being logged out of your google account to work at all < 1339542116 713449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tbray-http-legally-restricted-status-00 I am fucking depressed that this seems like a good idea. < 1339542124 752460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but after logging out and retrying on google.com I got the chuck norris box < 1339542301 503228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attempt at humor in that example seemed a bit malplaced < 1339542363 575914 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it seems like pretty damn good idea < 1339542368 720854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got no box
< 1339542391 724449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've never had a google account < 1339542413 105920 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's IETF, what do you expect? < 1339542426 856845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good for you < 1339542428 824598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menus were in norwegian though, probably the reason < 1339542447 720837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you need to find your way to Actual Google first < 1339542486 194613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i did use your link. < 1339542529 587509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that worked. < 1339542546 829854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used the google in english link first
< 1339542557 443947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is very keen in force-feeding you your "preferred" language based on incorrect guesses < 1339542572 621039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the guess is correct enough :P < 1339542585 900633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i _do_ have norwegian as my top browser choice < 1339542592 929198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1339542613 885839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would be a teeny bit strange for a swede < 1339542621 953765 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What, you mean national language of your current locale != preferred language? < 1339542625 40645 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blasphemy! < 1339542635 609537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1339542636 809547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows everyone in $country speaks $country-ish! < 1339542679 736369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you set english explicitly in the browser, then? < 1339542768 319676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: at least that is one of the less bad ways of getting it completely wrong :) < 1339542783 911712 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1339542810 473669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it breaks *horribly* on some countries, and also doesn't work *very* well in most countries. < 1339542838 350568 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pick a language to default to for India. Go on.) < 1339542872 119089 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice example was when all opera users got facebook in indonesian, because opera mini is very popular in indonesia < 1339542917 271269 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that Facebook is very special
< 1339542928 94768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok, I need to stop being an asshole < 1339542940 300135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when people do it wrong the other way, all opera mini users get pages in norwegian < 1339543005 788451 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure all current browsers support sending what the browser's current language setting is... < 1339543015 261019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, system's < 1339543019 554707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that language setting doesn't seem to work on google, I checked that it's set to english < 1339543057 467404 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just handle that, and default over to an internationalised language selection page? < 1339543119 650711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: now i tried setting it to italian, which gave me english, and resetting to norwegian _still_ gives me english. perhaps it doesn't look at that option at all. < 1339543163 213021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IE allows a prioritized list of languages < 1339543172 974528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, another nice example of this stuff breaking down... < 1339543178 654869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some folks' apache server was set up to automatically forward to the "right" language version of pages, so if your preferred language was anything except *danish* what you got was a localized "congratulations, your web server works!" page < 1339543198 910851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339543213 247910 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: *wince* < 1339543220 310154 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339543248 402065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was from one of dad's work projects ... "it looks like it works in denmark, but no-one in sweden can access it, halp?" < 1339543429 573852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the built-in google search url points to google.se ... I wonder how that happened < 1339543730 678781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall mine points to .co.uk < 1339544368 68938 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats the moron that stuck ddrescue in /sbin/
< 1339544464 914667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa!! ty Gandalf61!! :) mmm i already have a certain idea..:) but i will make some experiment anyway. ty so much for your interest on my topic anyway! thank you. and...if i suppose is due to the earth magnetic field..? kinda like make grow a broccoflower inside a solenoid? i will try. < 1339544465 106425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-mmm..nice reading Phyllotaxis..it comes out that golden ratio have something to do with pentagon, and pentagon with dodecahedron, a platonic solid.(and the that-time-believed shape of universe). Bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.11.127.63 (talk) 18:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC) < 1339544517 333219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically correct, the best kind of correct < 1339544874 266400 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339545396 278013 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339545401 591570 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339545486 657695 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1339545510 299921 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339545630 303283 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339545658 605569 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339546434 281265 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339546435 76529 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339546726 12117 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339547246 699735 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1339547249 589931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339547336 203283 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339547548 207316 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339547548 634566 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339547943 634504 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339548204 61703 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339548826 606555 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339549035 554361 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339549036 649214 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339549933 800851 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339550728 229098 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339550733 817186 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339551442 772885 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339552104 995680 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339552105 391213 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339552105 582685 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339552282 580546 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339554356 715239 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339554557 260625 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a great idea < 1339554566 239708 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a language where type conversions are not idempotent < 1339555928 786524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1339556971 30876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339556999 808156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for space elevator to move into second place. sorry slowpoke. < 1339557009 860601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/WEWc < 1339557018 878657 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 50.8 < 1339557070 694050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339557082 67508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's second place on the new scoring system at least < 1339557096 585980 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MSleep < 1339557737 592337 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339557938 133151 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339557984 432795 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339558027 218806 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1339558818 764852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust moves_olsner_to_the_bottom [>[-]+] < 1339558821 277115 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_moves_olsner_to_the_bottom: 8.1 < 1339558912 453268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is the problem with the current scoring system < 1339558933 751816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupidest program beats all of olsner's, but they remain relatively high-ranking < 1339558972 253170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no offense olsner :P) < 1339559080 821507 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339559257 949021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*35[-][+]}[-]])%6(+)*2>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}[+]])%6(+)*2>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1339559260 556434 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 51.3 < 1339560160 343868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/bKSD < 1339560163 175087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 49.0 < 1339560164 409622 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1339560179 190308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/WEWc < 1339560182 219810 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.1 < 1339560583 788084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/DNTi < 1339560586 906657 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.3 < 1339560924 593514 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339561255 365367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/LcSj < 1339561258 393225 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 52.0 < 1339561805 789677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/VbOQ < 1339561808 857292 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 54.6 < 1339562847 612112 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339562902 7641 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339563487 717099 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1339563497 46539 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high score for a simple looking program < 1339563512 526600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/AMJF < 1339563515 565721 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 55.5 < 1339563550 658107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: by the new scoring system, this new version of space_elevator has top score. waiting for gregor to return to install it. < 1339563854 760196 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a new scoring system < 1339563859 980162 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was talking about 3pac, didn't click any links < 1339563893 8285 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly slowrush is still chillin' at halfway < 1339563893 770794 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339563911 685171 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this new system? < 1339563947 952653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \m/ < 1339563948 653090 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1339563948 864327 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\ < 1339563954 900238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \m/ \m/ < 1339563955 451340 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   `\o/´69 < 1339563955 642283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\    | < 1339563955 832977 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       /´\ < 1339563955 833130 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     (_| |_) < 1339563976 571037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ /o/ /m\ < 1339563977 220727 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   | < 1339563977 414806 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /|  /< < 1339564168 213010 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339564184 8934 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339564191 469974 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339564862 244945 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1339564904 364856 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339566089 755441 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\o/" < 1339566090 453173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1339566090 679219 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\ < 1339566091 2999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1339566091 194625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1339566096 331665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\\o/" < 1339566097 109455 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1339566097 300444 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /< < 1339566097 491731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1339566098 47402 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      ¦ < 1339566098 238525 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     ´¸¨ < 1339566158 676443 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339566284 820060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339569410 808235 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1339570192 247521 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339570193 372485 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339572290 644205 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339573993 638458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339574025 146053 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339574025 652432 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339574025 842844 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339576161 712175 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339576744 227854 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1339576755 992420 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Client Quit < 1339580194 17027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339580248 484982 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339581187 796551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339582675 938297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339582752 452389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When applying for a job in Germany, use one of these fonts in your CV. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OS0MkeqUXug/S5FWyNniaXI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/fySzP2mYrjU/s400/Gothic_types_Third_Reich.jpg < 1339583871 902847 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://designtaxi.com/news/352757/Apple-s-Clothing-Line-From-The-80s/ < 1339583913 650779 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? :D < 1339584538 373606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*35[-][+]}[-]])%6(+)*2>)*2((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}[+]])%6(+)*2>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1339584546 782399 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 51.7 < 1339585064 777522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone linked me to this, and it's actually pretty hilarious: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/uxpil/ive_been_playing_the_same_game_of_civilization_ii/ < 1339585065 241140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339585070 542900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339585070 816804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 21h 41m 32s ago: Haha, all your programs drop like 10 places. < 1339585071 7673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 21h 41m 13s ago: Oh wait, it's not places, it's points. < 1339585071 7946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 21h 41m 9s ago: Score. < 1339585796 865228 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339586019 726055 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339586025 810776 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339586026 1712 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339586113 170232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339586650 601969 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339586918 607421 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339588065 857978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QLDh < 1339588070 232838 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 56.5 < 1339588147 382609 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-62.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339588436 120740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's pretty awesome < 1339588835 408277 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-198.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339588842 21336 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-166.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339589412 274811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339593651 318437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339593719 821708 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.us/21554 < 1339594066 725673 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339595725 706405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339596884 512152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339596956 213702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.youtube eh < 1339596971 497025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.drink.coke yum < 1339597022 166818 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of net gtlds? < 1339597075 570258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://facebook.google.youtube/ < 1339597115 290488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/application-results/strings-1200utc-13jun12-en if you mean the new ones. < 1339597119 193124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db and filter out the ones that say "country-code", if you mean the old ones. < 1339597142 707486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a longish list. < 1339597197 684570 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339597198 552338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few ".cloud"s. < 1339597223 947609 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.americanfamily ... < 1339597225 548286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, City of Helsinki has applied for .helsinki. < 1339597230 320615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny. < 1339597294 341995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they got tired of having to share "helsinki.fi" with Helsinki University, who had gotten it before they could. (They only have "hel.fi" for their own.) < 1339597298 700809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.helsinki/ < 1339597304 276711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell.fi < 1339597387 315571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university should hurry up and get the .aalto. < 1339597444 902283 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.you < 1339597475 159103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two applicants for that, I see. < 1339597481 529344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so are most of those likely to be accepted or are there limits or some kind of stringent requirement or sth < 1339597540 371951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are requirements, but they sounded to me mostly financial, making sure the applicant is not going to go immediately out of business and so on. < 1339597638 426783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a public comment period and whatnot for complaints, though. < 1339597753 183292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eglibility section says just "established corporations, organizations, or institutions in good standing". And there's some financial escrow stuff. And things like "no convicted criminals" rules. < 1339597817 144618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Has been involved in a pattern of adverse, final decisions indicating that the applicant or individual named in the application was engaged in cybersquatting as defined in the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP), the [blah blah blah] or [bleh bleh bleh]." < 1339597827 466535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd think most of them pass these kinds of things. < 1339598278 286736 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-62.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339599796 137494 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tiesitko_etta.jpg < 1339601220 80117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like sensible advice. < 1339601402 633532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339601599 608423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/VVjb < 1339601602 578015 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 53.7 < 1339601604 639764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339601607 197592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bug has been annoying me for ages < 1339601620 727154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the "Hello!" bug is indeed quite annoying. < 1339601632 155503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i delete it, and then i change somethign else, and i have to download the buggy version again < 1339601640 857572 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is fixed and uploaded and shan't return again! < 1339601648 700599 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/snopescom-debunks-old-c-interview-hoax < 1339601651 971833 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....hoax < 1339601663 209279 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought that "interview" was a joke < 1339601666 234386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1339601667 257815 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People actually believe it? < 1339601676 488658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange that the score went down < 1339601679 517132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good for a minute there i thought sgeo believed the interview was real < 1339601682 445486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else is changed in there < 1339601700 731984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339601703 939695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops :P < 1339601803 970780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator < 1339601804 193916 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339601807 763758 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/edUD < 1339601810 652060 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 56.2 < 1339602193 329588 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's getting very close to first. < 1339602893 956503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelevator < 1339603435 729913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: it is first. < 1339603450 251398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you just don't know it yet) < 1339603505 198986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: have you tried using death_to_defence's clear loop < 1339603611 48500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am beating all of the defence programs already. why should i? < 1339603644 417121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to defeat future defence programs? < 1339603649 808334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering < 1339603670 932475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started writing a similar program to death_to_defence once < 1339603677 92664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more complicated < 1339603697 227859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was several MB long before i quit and allowed it to vanish when my computer rebooted < 1339603700 810026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never saved) < 1339603716 483939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1339603825 128649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit the idea of a timer clear followed by a different kind of clear is nigh-unlockable. i expect to see such clears wipe out defense programs entirely in the future < 1339603841 399696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: didn't you see ais523 found a counter? < 1339603853 794160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shudderlock you mean < 1339603912 234192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1339604022 136519 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it looks neat. it also looks imminently defeatable by the right kind of clear < 1339604042 313004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much every strategy is defeatable by another strategy < 1339604051 885201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you mean "eminently"?) < 1339604059 76683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339604072 357145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339604088 71938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that i suspect that we'll so have clears that there is just no way to compactly lock < 1339604095 871698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/so/soon/ < 1339604195 314387 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339604195 541426 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339604195 541553 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339604310 200297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah < 1339604348 624158 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339604574 990122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/209852174669320195 < 1339604694 45072 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: TO THE POST OOOOFFFFIIIIICCCE!!!! < 1339605033 913933 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Found terminal < 1339605068 239995 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339605112 184877 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/3j2l3u43110U2G0P1F2K/monolith.jpg < 1339605164 372156 :djerro!~djerro@178-223-91-141.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs JOIN :#esoteric < 1339605218 340875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome djerro < 1339605221 279328 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :djerro: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339605256 775954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/FQgC < 1339605270 844354 :djerro!~djerro@178-223-91-141.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs QUIT :Client Quit < 1339605666 302547 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339605916 361329 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339605960 321126 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@88.113.14.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339606318 639099 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339606333 666562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339606360 103247 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339606382 285136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about Free monads and Cofree comonads < 1339606411 923036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339606534 547692 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe is Free Proxy; Identity is Cofree Proxy < 1339606816 280674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Maybe is odd < 1339606850 833103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost (,) Peano < 1339606876 38370 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think of it as Proxy < 1339606896 507296 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just Const () or something like that < 1339606912 241426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Proxy === Const () < 1339606917 684462 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1339606928 933384 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name Proxy has additional connotations which are irrelevant here < 1339606947 917333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said "I wouldn't think of it as" < 1339606948 672231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Free Maybe *is* (,) Nat, isn't it? < 1339606950 312024 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "you are wrong" < 1339606968 148299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Fair enough. < 1339607066 642526 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite (,) Nat considering codata < 1339607084 357095 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even (,) CoNat < 1339607101 884269 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :since with Free Maybe you need to go all the way to the bottom to hit that a < 1339607102 809514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1339607128 523840 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's data, then they should be equivalent < 1339607147 197608 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :(different computationally though) < 1339607170 497380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computationally howso < 1339607188 630839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's data, you still need to traverse the "nat" all the way to the bottom to project out the a < 1339607196 723428 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with a pair it's constant time < 1339607200 931256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339607230 431731 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I comment on it is that I've been dealing with a very similar situation a lot when trying to encode skew-binary in agda < 1339607238 911441 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an eye on complexity (proofs) < 1339607824 392125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Maybe is different because it could have a Nothing at some point < 1339607837 131526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Identity is (,) Nat < 1339607871 940211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1339607876 406546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (Pure . Identity) < 1339607896 815171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you represent (fix Succ, 42) < 1339607938 741821 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1339607966 816118 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (Pure . Identity) < 1339607985 909495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339608046 729909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1339608048 358690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Pure/Free/ < 1339608085 102707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay < 1339608108 450825 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Either BloodyRidiculousInfinityStupidThing (Nat, a) < 1339608558 921642 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1339608570 816490 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not anything particularly interesting < 1339608608 327385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1339608707 104196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, Nat has infty :) < 1339608710 795492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean Conat < 1339608721 883665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Conat finite only? < 1339608733 462367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conat is data Conat = Z | S Conat < 1339608737 323085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nat = Z | S !Nat < 1339608751 282969 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conat Ellioll < 1339608756 223098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the other way round? < 1339608760 112752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1339608773 291502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1339608775 176984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data vs. codata < 1339608781 59709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata is potentially infinite < 1339608782 335268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will name my child conat. < 1339608783 427285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data isn't < 1339608784 540020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1339608792 788769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: watch monqy play crawl thx < 1339608801 916641 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What server? < 1339608804 195798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: he's doing all the branches on the orb run < 1339608806 199226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet light.bitprayer.com < 1339608807 765768 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339608807 957319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crawl light < 1339608834 527821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (he just did orb run tomb:3 using mephitic cloud as a replacement for pnoise) < 1339608843 196538 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I began playing Thief. Also, posted http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=26146 < 1339608843 639842 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-62.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339608853 413391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's orb run lair! < 1339608890 883741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, is that distinction particularly obvious in Haskell? < 1339608904 868836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (he did all branchless runes first and is now entering the branches for the first times; he's got the vaults and tomb runes so far) < 1339608910 421474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1339608913 516484 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried Dungeons of Dredmor. Its perspective is just as annoying as i thought it would be when looking at screenshots. And IT NEEDS AUTOEXPLORE. < 1339608915 183499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, with zot:3 in the middle of that < 1339608919 319573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(light's equivalent of zot:5) < 1339608923 412747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok < 1339608954 35998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh yeah, he also hasn't found a source of conservation all game < 1339609001 46945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh also also he ha sno heal wounds < 1339609006 110065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he might be out of healing (curing) too < 1339609006 545646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339609007 346522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has no < 1339609014 366861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all his potions got shattered more or less < 1339609018 756422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from useless ones < 1339609024 746391 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1339609111 852399 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Random Number God in action. < 1339609138 222913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great bug/something < 1339609192 553486 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339609364 270802 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339609365 609659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: #CrawlLight for "running commentary" < 1339609428 743590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m on too many channels already. :-( < 1339609461 898588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You'll miss me announcing all the pan lord names! < 1339609471 475793 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: how many channel are you on? < 1339609472 229933 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339609599 47183 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 58 already. (But many of them are related to smallish projects and have next to no traffic, and some i don’t really follow regularly.) < 1339609607 525904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339609618 838142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should swap one of them for #CrawlLight! < 1339609621 255534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor approved. < 1339609631 252211 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll join temporarily. :-P < 1339609906 613094 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1339612281 884595 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339612799 233281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339612827 384479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339612878 573615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339612921 167112 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5 < 1339613177 569423 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339613421 682466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339613446 187612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hey why you remove my diff :( < 1339613461 210270 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339613474 63853 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339613535 263352 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339613593 331205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it got updated < 1339613604 651681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339613760 797178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339613855 77746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it slightly disturbing that attack1 is there and not in report.txt < 1339613868 497994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the case with the previous diff too) < 1339615355 569229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/FQgC | Older example diff at http://pastebin.com/RhjNMDnE < 1339615401 590607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made that kludging around in vim, so i cannot be bothered to regenerate it < 1339615679 659050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, wait, is that distinction particularly obvious in Haskell? < 1339615704 702968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell tends to default to codata more than other languages < 1339615717 270777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of laziness < 1339615746 102336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ! strictness annotation can then make it data instead < 1339615856 200389 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339615886 421689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. haskell's infinite lists are a prime example of codata < 1339615961 6308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ^ < 1339615985 44145 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellop < 1339616004 950433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had any say in Haskell, and to be honest I'm glad I don't < 1339616017 6769 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, that's what I was meaning. < 1339616023 454739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd scrap lists, and use streams and sequences < 1339616032 586284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether infinite or finite < 1339616034 786201 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obvious in e.g. Coq and Agda because they don't allow unrestricted recursion. < 1339616193 208165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how is a stream different from a list? < 1339616201 478296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be infinite < 1339616214 615211 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By stream I generally mean infinite stream < 1339616232 986318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sequences? < 1339616238 560566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence < 1339616279 949635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make lazy finite lists impossible < 1339616300 482250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I'm glad I have no real power in the Haskell community < 1339616309 220277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1339616476 715606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mild annoyance about Data.Sequence: < 1339616486 647436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seq isn't an instance of Applicative and Alternative < 1339616496 588231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite being an instance of both Monad and MonadPlus < 1339616677 622190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it should be fixed < 1339617986 569765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so a +25 in the diff means that the place number has increased, i.e. that it's gone down by 25 steps? < 1339618047 522411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339618211 634690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my worst program did best in terms of going down the least < 1339618289 198860 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339618579 995737 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1339619419 102026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsneron < 1339619445 851851 :olsneron!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1339619484 168888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like olsenron !!!! < 1339619541 390083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what, you want me to change back? < 1339619964 893915 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339619965 121698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339619965 121855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339620128 557755 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339620196 590532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339620945 595355 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339620953 195359 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1339621495 490806 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-166.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1339621564 223512 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339622528 56932 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339622598 176876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339623462 976343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because the hill (both mine and the egobot one) have changed since you made it. i changed the link in the topic, so it didnt make sense to leave the diff. < 1339623469 940852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1339623523 65781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1339623616 853377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make that rusher that figures out what offsets to use on the fly :P < 1339623640 575909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does shudderlock succeed in locking dtd? < 1339623720 637763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339624290 607198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because dtd changes strategy, and the lock loop chosen locks both the original strategy and the strategy it changes to, given some constant tweaking < 1339624293 821668 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339624302 31501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't require a huge amount of constant tweaking, there's a lot of values that work) < 1339624771 175810 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339624908 204836 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339625024 821071 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o reddit blocked phys.org and the Atlantic. < 1339625269 190439 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339625422 229120 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339625464 577743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Huh. Why? < 1339625470 672943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, the Atlantic is probably no real loss, at least.) < 1339625530 209739 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The admins are being kind of cagey about it but reading between the lines they've been mass-spamming and manipulating voting. < 1339625597 257490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1339625626 444532 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/v03qc/physorg_is_not_allowed_on_reddit_this_domain_has/ < 1339625643 947417 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :violentacrez is spearheading it so of course bitterness and accusations of fascism abound. < 1339625674 399604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll skip, if violentacrez is involved. Also since I remember /r/TheoryOfReddit being insufferable. < 1339625746 259612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would a clear that changes strategy several times, trying several different cycle lengths, be possible to represent as compactly as dtd? < 1339625750 762292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I lied. But after seeing "Drinking the Citizens United Kool-Aid again? DOMAINS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY CANNOT BE "RESPONSIBLE" FOR ANYTHING." I don't think this thread can get any better, so I'm now closing the tab. < 1339625772 122878 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has he bitched about /r/jailbait yet? < 1339625783 643945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it can < 1339625801 349922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think such a strategy would not be (permanently) lockable < 1339625810 403217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Doesn't every action he has done since it was shut down constitute that? < 1339625813 103237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can do it with a regular timer clear, but you get a combinatorial explosion with a flexible timer clear like dtd < 1339625824 899257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such strategies beat shudderlock, but lose to anticipation < 1339625825 436851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I haven't heard anything about him since then, so maybe he sulked off or something.) < 1339625851 648372 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does anticipation do it? < 1339625852 563707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to combine them in a way that beats both shudderlock and anticipation, I guess, but then you'd be able to write a program that was a mix of shudderlock and anticipation that beat them again, probably < 1339625866 851664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and doesnt anticipation suffer from combinatorial explosion?) < 1339625877 526700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What special search terms do I need to look up information on writing external BBS software packages?" < 1339625881 27605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it relies on the opponent using the same clear loop on every second cell (most programs do that, in fact most use the same loop on every cell but some alternate polarity) < 1339625882 732631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a ridiculous SO question < 1339625887 170428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, anticipation is linear, not exponential < 1339625891 411448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just got a huge constant factor < 1339625897 483418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339625916 935941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anticipation can figure out any cycle length? < 1339625928 258801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mixthereof? < 1339625985 311574 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339626015 231754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should wake monqy up. < 1339626034 115154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, but it needs a different case for each cycle length < 1339626052 35047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can defeat it easily by changing between three or more different clear loops, or two in an XXYYXXYY pattern rather than alternating < 1339626061 269080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most programs don't do that, that's the only reason it works < 1339626116 612595 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a different case for each cycle length being "it took 128 cycles, it took 130 cycles, it took 132 cycles, etc."? < 1339626127 299867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339626135 576716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each needs an entire full-tape clear in it < 1339626149 298866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can see how that would get big fast :P < 1339626151 104090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a simple algorithm, but which can't be expressed succinctly < 1339626157 52622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thanks. < 1339626167 80271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see how I can if you can't < 1339626177 705866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he's someone I know in RL but don't know he's monqy < 1339626201 96289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'd prefer BF Joust if it just had a "full-tape clear" command < 1339626207 249739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he lives here iirc. yo wouldnt know him. < 1339626235 782040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably wake him up in a couple hours given his address < 1339626238 971249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, you live in the US, right? < 1339626249 15335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Wait, you're in California? < 1339626261 878337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I thought quintopia was implying that monqy lived in #esoteric < 1339626283 801058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer NES and SNES was thinking of cakeprophet/kallisti < 1339626289 769561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I live within walking distance of Hexham, if you allow the walk to take several weeks < 1339626290 159956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339626298 294908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard fail < 1339626322 823660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, NES and SNES are better than California < 1339626330 235483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that originally started with "never mind, i..." < 1339626335 902158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339626336 716715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hit the up arrow somehow < 1339626341 112104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: walk to hexham! < 1339626346 884964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you + me + taneb can have an #esoteric meetup < 1339626354 37301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not right now, I'm busy on Thursday and busy on Friday < 1339626364 560845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys should all walk to georgia. < 1339626387 815270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the other way around < 1339626390 33576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :georgia sounds awful < 1339626396 751517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :juust wait for an ice age, and you could walk here over the land bridge in a few years < 1339626455 712433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1339626465 112012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think I have like... < 1339626470 66662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, but they arent liquid < 1339626476 139817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably enough for 10 pounds or something by now. < 1339626483 787330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then 1 penny in a few months. < 1339626484 371341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the blockchain is HUEG < 1339626485 95345 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339626928 972970 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@88.113.14.106 QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339627483 257336 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :MortalKombat < 1339627489 384796 :MortalKombat!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1339627602 824775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1339627862 949013 :cheesey!cheesey@zombie-roland.midworld.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1339627876 108061 :cheesey!cheesey@zombie-roland.midworld.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening < 1339627968 180081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome cheesey < 1339627971 814440 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheesey: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339628186 84581 :cheesey!cheesey@zombie-roland.midworld.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers :) came here from the wiki actually, might lurk and attempt to contribute for a bit if nobody minds. < 1339628202 977315 :cheesey!cheesey@zombie-roland.midworld.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I haven't done much with building programming languages in a few years, I'd like to get back into it < 1339628269 579742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339628428 307661 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339628783 287317 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339628999 507646 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: foobar < 1339629762 637854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339629927 51167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339630035 87008 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6.6*8 < 1339630035 983977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 52.8 < 1339630315 505231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Wake monqy up, god dammit. < 1339630347 303429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wake up < 1339630351 982617 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1339630354 378990 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339630357 410894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Fly to California. < 1339630360 155435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is up to you. < 1339630360 360997 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i brickbrain him but miss < 1339630364 339266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm already *in* California! < 1339630443 636601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1339630457 422603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then the rest is up to you. < 1339630461 657350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Yes, that should work. < 1339630474 613422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where does monqy live ! < 1339630488 205082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I'M GOING TO DO A LABRYINTH IF YOU DON'T WAKE UP < 1339630493 551138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: America! < 1339630506 107787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is the answer:: lompoc, california < 1339630592 224172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lompoc < 1339630698 760619 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/7/2/133772_v1.jpg < 1339630704 254295 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339630704 445269 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339630704 445409 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339630858 23610 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339630878 340336 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339631052 118620 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339631612 572729 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339632104 618229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should, like, ban monqy. < 1339632168 915262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR NOT BEING HERE < 1339632245 262010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339632442 376130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339632567 571333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1339632568 948655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban monqy < 1339632588 185034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a primate target for banning < 1339632609 854590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No puns/ < 1339632611 902869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only bans. < 1339632615 894748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phys.org eh? well everyone said they were crap anyway < 1339632784 60354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we need to follow the kantian imperative then. < 1339632810 825125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, everyone who is on the channel but who doesn't respond within 5 minutes of pinging will be banned. < 1339632841 768944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1339632844 40416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems fin eto me. < 1339632845 769932 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why" < 1339632846 943177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they respond, they need to then pass the turing test so we know they're not just botting. < 1339632849 785088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine to < 1339632865 530181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: elliott wants monqy banned for not being here < 1339632868 931820 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I pass turing test < 1339632905 992798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: well tell us a bit about your mother. < 1339632921 732728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no one said the _questioner_ needed to pass, right?) < 1339632935 163808 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? m < 1339632946 254451 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you bot? < 1339632953 283526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oerjan is bot < 1339632973 868431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, we have bots here. we cannot ban those... < 1339632997 311888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :banning fungot would be a major crime < 1339632998 472226 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: from aio import chomp chomp". " 6"? < 1339633004 914839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely! < 1339633040 119534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Just ping them correctly. < 1339633040 883691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ping < 1339633042 207161 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and then you notice the white smoke in the channel. someone asked me if it's not open < 1339633044 345941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ping < 1339633047 695564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1339633048 361288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo ping < 1339633050 137061 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1339633050 855899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339633051 364347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339633058 51561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry i cannot ban monqy as he's indistinguishable from several of Gregor's bots much of the time < 1339633063 907191 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339633064 454963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then you notice the white smoke in the channel" -- eerie. < 1339633066 585556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Which of those? < 1339633094 880501 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls < 1339633095 619159 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps \ lib \ slox < 1339633097 220404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot, for example < 1339633135 268379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: monqy talks! < 1339633152 447604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you wouldn't want monqy banned if he talked! < 1339633176 200349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he purposefully ignored only you, presumably < 1339633253 511312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just isn't talking *enough*. < 1339633349 723270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1339633352 595567 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1339633456 548824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahnks < 1339634059 708 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339634880 944468 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1339635486 522391 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1339635508 331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i modified report to do diffs automatically < 1339635518 41478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/IFDP < 1339635547 914722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1339635553 525489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can you use Unicode arrows intsead, please? < 1339635580 501596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kwertii < 1339635594 736520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought about it. but then i realized i don't know how to make an ascii txt file with unicode arrows in < 1339635598 425969 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1339635617 128162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the unicode delta character that is supposed to be in the header doesnt print < 1339635634 122807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Uhhh... You encode it in UTF-8? < 1339635645 360429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eli5 < 1339635653 204857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have an ascii txt file with unicode arrows in < 1339635657 332452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just give me your copy of report.c and I'll send a patch. < 1339635699 379714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (By the way, what's with attack1.bfjoust?) < 1339635729 806559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh, it is included with egobot. it beat the suicide program that i downloaded from the hill, so i just left it < 1339635734 394994 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339635734 585756 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1339635734 898411 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kszjpnsqjdxntgnl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339635744 732409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it beats all of olsner's stuff which is hilarious < 1339635747 974670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But I really really want one. :-( < 1339635758 322916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you use UTF-7 < 1339635769 834808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you get humblebundle.com? < 1339635775 308824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"last chance" < 1339635789 11048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not really as funny as you think :P those programs are actually just very very bad < 1339635824 91961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the funny part is that they are halfway up the current hill < 1339635829 474982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1339635961 786854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm waiting. :( < 1339635997 392989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep this for ELLIOTT to find what you need < 1339636022 436939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XWJK < 1339636068 328904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I like the part where you tried to write your own license. < 1339636070 509170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do thta < 1339636071 483998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that. < 1339636076 982568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add your name to the copyright header, man. < 1339636102 507463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be nearly as funny < 1339636112 780724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hurts, man. < 1339636117 385095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it bad to encrypt a file using a hash of the plaintext as a key? < 1339636195 251030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: CBC hashes already do stuff like that internally < 1339636215 475716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it sounds secure to me < 1339636246 721383 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not purchase this particular humble bundle < 1339636247 711440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i? < 1339636255 73408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1339636271 680248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychonauts alone is worth the price. if you have psychonauts then bastion alone is. < 1339636286 909930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"worth the price" < 1339636304 735018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's the best one yet by a decent margin, so... yes? < 1339636331 741697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoilers: elliott has purchased most of the humbludnles but hasn't gotten around to any of them yet.) < 1339636336 235003 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1339636351 456756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I still know how good the games are. :( < 1339636361 523645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How good is Psychonauts? < 1339636387 651951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, terrible, man < 1339636675 450712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my favorite game < 1339636684 108358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1339636692 672501 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your hashing scheme isn't obviously terrible to me, but I don't know enough to say it's secure < 1339636694 63536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a "rpgs suck but platformers are awesome" kind of guy < 1339636702 456404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably elaborate regarding the application and threat model < 1339636716 661560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should probably elaborate regarding the application and threat model < 1339636721 758861 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I pay over average? < 1339636724 553580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The threat is shachaf. < 1339636727 432177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one fairly obvious problem is, if I already have a file, I can determine whether it's what you sent < 1339636736 52270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your mind is the scene of the crime < 1339636741 252962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. I mentioned as much to elliott. < 1339636745 660160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes, if you can afford it. Regardless of whether you want the other games (BUT YES YOU WANT BASTION DUH DON'T BE AN IDIOT). < 1339636750 551779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, do I want Bastion Lone Survivor or Super Meat Boy < 1339636751 822025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that's the issue here? < 1339636779 570590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:19 I hear Haskell is difficult to efficienize with large array operations? True? < 1339636783 344822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your application < 1339636818 151677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: obviously true, if only because there is no such thing as efficienization < 1339636826 523916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: super meat boy looked painfully hard when i watched someone playing it, but he said bastion was the best game he played last year < 1339637112 348303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it patched yet < 1339637142 990002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im playing games but i'll do it soon < 1339637228 904162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339637234 598642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. send me a txt when you're done. < 1339637272 515379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While on a 1:1 audio call, users will see content that could spark additional topics of conversation that are relevant to Skype users and highlight unique and local brand experiences," Skype's Sandhya Venkatachalam wrote on the company blog. "So, you should think of Conversation Ads as a way for Skype to generate fun interactivity between your circle of friends and family and the brands you care about. Ultimately, we believe this will help make Sk < 1339637279 536400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds exciting. < 1339637279 727618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to get an ad bot in IRC. < 1339637323 108689 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1339637338 635444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this a bit like that Onion video where Google put ads in Android? < 1339637355 696903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339637367 199004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to use my other nicks cuz i dont remember the last time i did < 1339637371 279338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :mibquint < 1339637375 71865 :mibquint!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :webquint < 1339637380 68442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brands i care about < 1339637380 311249 :webquint!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia < 1339637382 472959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1339637394 460816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could also check with info < 1339637397 140943 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh i just care so much about Pringles but I don't have any good way to bring it up during cybersex on skype < 1339637409 92346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there was an exciting, unique brand experience < 1339637418 119871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it didnt have them listed under "logins" so i assumed i hadnt < 1339637435 721781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339637438 163811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesnt < 1339637444 213452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i actually have to log in with them < 1339637447 369484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's only current logins < 1339637452 666133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339637454 111815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1339637456 976058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you just have to do "info nick" < 1339637458 992284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it doesnt list that info < 1339637460 289877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339637477 829536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339637479 985404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now < 1339637490 435807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"last login: 1 minute 30 seconds ago" < 1339637494 349352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339637603 119797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm still super curious about your crypto doings < 1339637626 986627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I told you, it was elliott's cryptodoings !!!! < 1339637674 544276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea is a content-addressable pastebin where you can publish the paste database. < 1339637756 305408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339637768 464440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1339637769 685352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm still super curious about your crypto doings < 1339637814 79249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone can hand out the hash of a file to their friends instead of the actual file, and still have their file be secure to the rest of the world? < 1339637890 605891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's kind of dumb though < 1339637933 44485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just have a regular pastebin, and if people want to upload encrypted files they can < 1339637939 881748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and share the (randomly generated) keys amongst themselves < 1339637999 226291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea isn't actually for the pastebin to serve encrypted data or w/e < 1339638414 413443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whats the idea ? < 1339638419 84700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339638544 431209 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339639138 145475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think the idea is that people trust the pastebin server but it can publish backups so people never lose their data. < 1339639145 827579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it's content-addressable "for some reason" < 1339639561 161175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause content addressable things are the best < 1339639562 285510 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339639588 803991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's web scale and all < 1339640543 420607 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339643853 109593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cleaned up some stuff. so when you get around to adding unicode, use this version: http://sprunge.us/cefE < 1339643883 402045 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can find a unicode symbol that means "stayed the same" feel free to put it in there instead of the word "same" < 1339643888 455226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339643941 495710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/NZgG < 1339644104 55535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'll do it now. < 1339644106 243314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's u pwith < 1339644106 542054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* wait for the threads to finish * / < 1339644106 732954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (i = 0; i < programCount; i++) { < 1339644106 733135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pthread_join(threads[i], NULL); < 1339644108 584447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } */ < 1339644110 581707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339644112 548813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up wit < 1339644114 552692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up with < 1339644123 598725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in the original < 1339644126 309136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe to delete < 1339644153 423744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339644163 280991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its safe to pull pthread from the includes < 1339644171 543783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it all with forking now < 1339644171 734809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have tabs in that file. < 1339644197 702860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: feel free to clean them up. my editor is set to use spaces, so they were probably already there < 1339644210 710489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in your lines. But let me try and s/// them away. < 1339644213 157095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your editor is broken.) < 1339644223 24697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1339644227 518154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm checking the settings < 1339644251 151200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, your style is awful :P < 1339644274 813812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this file was ugly as shit when i started < 1339644296 781371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1339644298 73808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else if (rank>9) fprintf(reportF, " %2d (%c%d) %2d %6.2f %6.2f %s\n", < 1339644298 265368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : programCount - i, change, rank, (int) sc->id, sc->prc, sc->pts, programs[sc->id]); < 1339644298 265507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else fprintf(reportF, " %2d (%c%d) %2d %6.2f %6.2f %s\n", < 1339644298 265606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : programCount - i, change, rank, (int) sc->id, sc->prc, sc->pts, programs[sc->id]); < 1339644299 405832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1339644305 80374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like walking into an apartment with the sink full of dirty dishes and dust on the shelves: you don't feel like you have to take your shoes off or avoid putting them on the coffee table < 1339644333 183028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the printfs are formatted how gregor's printf's were originally formatted < 1339644374 313333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, are you gonna get it working or complain about style all day? < 1339644432 548629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im getting it working < 1339644434 296568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ALSO complaining < 1339644830 557070 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1339645611 850401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the new AntiNorn, according to one person
< 1339645820 743429 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lna.songua.com/ < 1339645831 879867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for the camera to come to my norns < 1339647171 895948 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339647348 589443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I lied, I'll do it tomorrow. < 1339647584 849736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no rush. as long as it's done before gregor gets back, i'm sure it will be included. < 1339647669 838271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339648020 629308 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze < 1339650443 104722 :rvchangue_!~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-007-002.carolina.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339651598 814704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339652228 837610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339652532 283572 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339652532 513571 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339652532 513715 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339652702 220019 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339655030 216158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/NgDg < 1339655035 886651 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1339655089 550977 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1339655158 775247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/HeMR < 1339656248 269186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339656436 305262 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339656442 408557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339656444 53998 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1339656700 758905 :invariable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1339657354 361508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you see i added ranking deltas to the report code < 1339657371 560964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339657413 402606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott promised to change the ^ and v to UTF8 black triangles tomorrow < 1339657415 360633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it coincidence that the new scoring puts space_elevator to the top? < 1339657456 923963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow at what happens to counterpoke and skyscraper < 1339657458 85931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's what we call a "'coincidence'" with many quotes. < 1339657459 993144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up 15 places… < 1339657462 921355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implying ais523 < 1339657476 331535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339657477 816475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only implying something if you answer no < 1339657502 206781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you answer "maybe" in a very suggestive tone, it's not implying anything. < 1339657502 652452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres not a line in there that says "hey look spelevator give it more points" < 1339657533 5283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there a line that says "hey look quintopia give it more points"? < 1339657536 374813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have reengineered spelevator a lot lately and it is a lot better than it was < 1339657557 241015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will continue to get better as i try new ideas < 1339657608 848526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you tell me. i linked the code in the channel earlier :P < 1339657636 57207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer new scoring even if it drops my score pointswise, it seems to produce a better ranking < 1339657704 630971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :points have a different meaning than before. now it roughly means "how many opponents did you beat?" although it literally means "how many rounds did you win divided by 42" < 1339657718 288175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(times 100O < 1339657722 113720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100 < 1339657827 102455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the score is scaled by some other random factor so that it produces scores roughly of the same order as the old system < 1339657884 485085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the maximum possible score is now 1175. if you beat everything. < 1339658018 823954 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339658118 897161 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1339658274 863390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a sensible goal would be to have a scoring that's NP-hard to compute, just because. Something involving finding the optimal permutation should suffice. < 1339658323 601556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so you consider narrow wins as /much/ lower-scoring than crushing ones? < 1339658478 690201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot whether elliott has a DS account
< 1339658779 868706 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339660791 629038 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339660938 178992 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1339662377 164419 :TeruFSX!~quassel@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339662519 44479 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339664524 693367 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Phantom_Hoover blah < 1339664554 191756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: UPDATE < 1339664561 654445 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1339664587 81996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339664592 805139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Want a cookie? < 1339664598 459002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of cook < 1339664599 193017 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1339664601 992397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooke < 1339664620 570321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a forged session cookie. :-( < 1339664664 988593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339664671 20870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Want it? < 1339664682 57378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339664692 745536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :�: < 1339665296 250473 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339665296 441196 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339665296 441337 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339665350 386699 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339665720 669200 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-183-52.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339666282 649612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339666482 980252 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339666484 831659 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1339666502 332241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339666516 41589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I think I remember seeing you here before, but can't remember who you are < 1339666561 79881 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what happened to Gregor's logs. They're stalled.
< 1339666572 79754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, glogbot is here < 1339666583 526102 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm also known as impomatic :-) < 1339666583 716969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried refreshing? perhaps you've confused regular logs with stalker mode < 1339666588 294730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would be it < 1339666593 542993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know who impomatic is :) < 1339666603 566901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had quite some BF Joust advances recently < 1339666670 700186 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Will check the wiki / hill :-) < 1339666694 740341 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339666809 605558 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is FYB still broken? < 1339666828 257925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, at least nobody's attempted to fix it < 1339667023 281736 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339668649 608385 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339668753 408808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339669148 631908 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-183-52.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339669256 59724 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532967_243775202389576_925103867_n.jpg < 1339669361 838067 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would an FYB fix look like < 1339671625 520717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1339671959 230088 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1339671985 145720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: something that made it impossible to move your IP faster than the opponent could move their tape pointer < 1339671997 528717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either by allowing faster tape pointer movement, or by forcing slower IP movement < 1339672036 518516 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it would be balanced? or then it would be at least non-trivial < 1339672364 297053 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339672364 530243 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339672364 530410 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339672378 913001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: at least non-trivial < 1339672413 998444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment, you can just set up a loop to be false early on (using defection to get a known 0), and send your IP flying millions of cells to the right where the opposing program will never be able to reach it < 1339672429 82882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do pretty much whatever you want, you're not going to be able to lose for millions of cycles < 1339672528 877593 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339672542 257327 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339672649 147209 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339673477 6500 :cheesey!cheesey@zombie-roland.midworld.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1339674477 762137 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339674612 375323 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339675604 716965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i consider winning one tape length/polarity and drawing on the rest to be 1/42 as good as winning on them all < 1339676106 182961 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one way would be to have instructions that moved the tape pointer two or more at a time, another would be to have some register or mode that changed how much >< moved the tape pointer by < 1339676106 883926 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1339676246 793080 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339676394 908695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: two or more at a time is no good < 1339676407 326179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that a loop that evaluates to false lets you move at unlimited speed < 1339676418 650276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could replace BF loops with DF loops, I guess < 1339676429 400642 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1339676430 517937 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF loops? < 1339676433 342254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DoFuck < 1339676440 47472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ never jumps, otherwise identical to BF < 1339676474 125630 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I haven't seen that on the wiki < 1339676504 875090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty old < 1339676516 294934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember programming it into bsmnt_bot < 1339676518 262548 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I see what you mean, now < 1339676522 801242 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have something like [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] < 1339676525 116963 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your IP is now billions < 1339676543 345629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean [-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-…]]]]]]]]? < 1339676549 888752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, + not -, FYB doesn't have a - < 1339676704 889410 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339677130 293391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339677413 649282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339678591 917505 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: when trying to view the logs in stalker mode I get "error: Call to undefined function inotify_init() in /var/chroots/egobot/home/egobot/logbot/stalker.php on line 51
". Also the bot seems to have stopped logging three days ago :-( < 1339679140 222706 :stenno|work!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno JOIN :#esoteric < 1339679146 342499 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339679160 335999 :stenno|work!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno QUIT : < 1339679264 424362 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno JOIN :#esoteric < 1339679319 952759 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tyranni.jpg < 1339679355 896834 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++[->++++++++++>++++++++++<<]>++++.>+++++. < 1339679377 854153 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1339679489 870651 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523! < 1339679501 463896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi stenno < 1339679514 109723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack and #esoteric have a surprisingly large overlap :) < 1339679517 440510 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339679530 772795 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly led me here from ##javascript < 1339679570 136995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_still_doesnt_work_right_ (>)*8(>[+])*21 < 1339679579 711059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last _ is meant to be a question mark < 1339679580 775537 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor fix you goddamnit bot < 1339679580 967209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339679590 877440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: which bot? < 1339679600 102720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has so many… < 1339679602 782831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1339679602 975966 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: < 1339679603 166766 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1339679608 385140 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_this_still_doesnt_work_right_: 21.5 < 1339679613 394175 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1339679625 914691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's… pretty close to waterfall2 < 1339679634 504764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shows how the hill makeup can change over the years < 1339679639 744347 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1339679639 935506 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1339679642 89518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arguably, the dangers of constant tweaking < 1339679649 989841 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1339679650 420258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1339679663 947919 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf16, bf32? < 1339679667 669825 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor I mean glogbot < 1339679667 860607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339679681 276995 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: bf with 16 or 32 bit cell size < 1339679684 719821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: brainfuck with differently sized integers < 1339679728 430477 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1339679733 69599 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :biginteger brainfuck < 1339679754 400245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot doesn't do bignum bf < 1339679773 195557 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use the bot to test my bf written ealier..? < 1339679776 302066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1339679786 588030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it takes input, it'll be easier to use fungot for that than egobot < 1339679787 353281 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and these programs will be able to read it; something happened when i tried < 1339679796 884437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!giving input to your program is easy with fungot < 1339679797 418835 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving input to your program is easy with fungot < 1339679817 485610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[.<]!giving input to your program is easy with fungot < 1339679817 806799 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1339679817 997672 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tognuf htiw ysae si margorp ruoy ot tupni gnivig < 1339679820 681642 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1339679821 145321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339679821 487681 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1339679828 34567 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1339679856 229836 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++>++++++++++<<]>++++.>+++++. < 1339679856 980441 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339679859 157875 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339679864 231084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hi < 1339679874 694405 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i guess thats not optimal < 1339679876 17684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how you compete with egobot in the saying hi stakes < 1339679877 404409 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​41 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.+.>++. [206] < 1339679893 780671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot's text generator isn't always optimal, there are often obvious improvements < 1339679894 262543 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a better one though < 1339679904 771978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as removing that >><< < 1339679911 756912 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the [206] to the right? < 1339679930 933891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of cycles, perhaps? I don't know for certain, but 206 seems around the right size < 1339679947 69504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, probably < 1339679956 977337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, generating fixed text in general is undecidable < 1339680003 1757 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it doing a*b mod 256 and a*c mod 256 such that it makes minimal adjustments to make the final two letters < 1339680014 840708 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen hello < 1339680015 874569 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Patashu i know you from #nethack too :) < 1339680018 876857 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339680022 633748 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1339680026 489552 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hello < 1339680028 299768 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​57 +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.---.+++++++..+++.>---. [506] < 1339680035 838233 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hello world < 1339680038 73586 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339680039 267460 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​103 ++++++++[>>+>+++++++++++++>++++<<<<-]>>>.---.+++++++..+++.>.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.<++. [406] < 1339680062 745474 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not even the same code < 1339680119 602477 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, interesting design < 1339680154 816416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hello world < 1339680157 554113 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​103 +++++++++++++++[>++++++++>++>+++++++>+<<<<-]>>>-.---.+++++++..+++.<++.<-.>>.+++.------.--------.>-----. [393] < 1339680162 798436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot's generator is somewhat probabilistic < 1339680168 381421 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1339680168 572603 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1339680178 486112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hello world < 1339680180 828803 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​102 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>++++>+><<<<-]>.---.+++++++..+++.>.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>>++. [617] < 1339680193 567754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be shortened to 100 by removing the >< < 1339680210 90438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, you'd want the bot to do that itself :) < 1339680217 711576 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what it's doing is trying random permutations of the strategy, seeing how much extra debris is required to print the statement, then showing you the best one < 1339680226 379778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1339680228 926630 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​139 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.>.>-.<<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>>+.>-. [632] < 1339680232 769322 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1339680262 118932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1339680264 290911 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​125 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++.>-.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>+. [397] < 1339680276 947894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 139 does not look very optimal at all, all those +s in a row < 1339680282 907117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the H to the e < 1339680305 571493 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!lb_txtgen abcdedcba < 1339680314 277612 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339680319 723516 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen abcdedcba < 1339680321 281157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1339680322 561911 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​55 +++++++++[>+++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.+.+.+.+.-.-.-.-.>+. [610] < 1339680325 355243 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :o < 1339680337 556893 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339680348 329415 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the >><< :) < 1339680358 150949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty obvious, really < 1339680366 843284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", 'a'); < 1339680377 350004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 'a'); < 1339680380 474539 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 < 1339680384 727219 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 < 1339680384 934195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 < 1339680387 573840 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1339680388 163037 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339680402 693956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can look up 97 in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants < 1339680414 525676 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to print 10 at the end? < 1339680419 963420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: newline < 1339680426 580981 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, newline < 1339680428 431792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an 8-bit tape, --[>-<+++++]>----- < 1339680441 797738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 --[>-<+++++]>-----.+.+.+.+.-.-.-.-. < 1339680443 65603 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdedcba < 1339680445 50151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's without the newline < 1339680451 384180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're unlikely to get much better than that < 1339680463 615658 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("ls"); < 1339680466 181021 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680469 774063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[>++++++++++++<-]>+.+.+.+.+.-.-.-.-. < 1339680470 300556 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdedcba < 1339680475 917383 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("dir"); < 1339680478 64158 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680478 868834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's if you can't reply on a wrapping tape < 1339680484 299582 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("ls /"); < 1339680486 244968 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680486 870439 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh thats really an easy one < 1339680492 723459 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti :P < 1339680501 708374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: the bots have reasonably secure sandboxes < 1339680503 225558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1339680506 337411 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("shutdown now") < 1339680511 276241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's actually designed for you to play around with arbitrary shell commands < 1339680516 684612 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680519 873661 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1339680521 572929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutdown requires root to work, so you wouldn't expect that to work < 1339680525 884236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and HackEgo takes some time to start up < 1339680529 955064 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fail, yes < 1339680535 971323 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("echo test") < 1339680535 972498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to do it again in a few minutes < 1339680535 972690 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680548 283963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int system(char*); system("echo test"); < 1339680550 247888 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1339680550 772673 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("rm -rf /*"); < 1339680558 851653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, c < 1339680563 429625 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680563 620201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think system is implemented, you guys… < 1339680577 78151 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("curl -X GET http://google.com > haha") < 1339680578 881612 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1339680579 694230 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680581 925094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo test < 1339680583 826173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1339680587 336134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1339680591 710706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with HackEgo? < 1339680598 560369 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh rm -rf /* < 1339680599 266027 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh wget www.google.com < 1339680601 298081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1339680601 489151 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/rm: cannot remove `/bin': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/dev': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/etc': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/home': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/lib': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/lib64': Permission denied \ /bin/rm: cannot remove `/opt': Function not implemented \ /bin/rm: cannot remove < 1339680606 309932 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuh ohhh < 1339680607 785886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2012-06-14 13:30:05-- http://www.google.com/ \ Resolving www.google.com... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `www.google.com' < 1339680610 938939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339680613 586685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339680619 185919 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1339680621 10045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: you're not going to damage it with something like that < 1339680629 132940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, it was just being really really slow < 1339680630 754742 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339680633 852657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1339680636 673687 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339680639 46644 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339680640 885379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's woken up, it'll be rather faster < 1339680643 602664 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /* < 1339680647 70660 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :D::: < 1339680653 892782 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1339680656 363108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1339680656 867598 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually sandbox < 1339680657 637425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: don't worry, it has protection against commands like nortti's < 1339680659 249213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an undo < 1339680661 529998 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339680665 603677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/bin/bash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/rbash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/sh': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/ln': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/uname': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/stty': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/cat': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/touch': Read-only < 1339680666 746602 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing ^^" < 1339680682 699115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1339680699 986295 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't touch touch < 1339680707 162062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1339680710 575881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's fine < 1339680713 362972 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339680731 906857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ do serious damage to the filesystem, but that's what the undo is for < 1339680734 419587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var < 1339680737 234554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the undo works out-of-band) < 1339680746 730472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you can't disrupt it from inside the bot) < 1339680757 367890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /dev < 1339680761 505202 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339680762 210816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :agpgart \ audio \ audio1 \ audio2 \ audio3 \ audioctl \ console \ core \ dsp \ dsp1 \ dsp2 \ dsp3 \ fd \ full \ initctl \ kmem \ loop0 \ loop1 \ loop2 \ loop3 \ loop4 \ loop5 \ loop6 \ loop7 \ mem \ midi0 \ midi00 \ midi01 \ midi02 \ midi03 \ midi1 \ midi2 \ midi3 \ mixer \ mixer1 \ mixer2 \ mixer3 \ mpu401data \ mpu401stat \ null \ port \ ptmx \ pts \ ram \ ram0 \ ram1 \ ram10 \ ram11 \ ram12 \ ram13 \ ram14 \ ram15 < 1339680771 502105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a /weird/ /dev < 1339680787 901494 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp < 1339680790 451191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -R /dev < 1339680797 402701 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory < 1339680805 596475 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339680808 575005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -R /dev < 1339680809 383619 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1339680817 814919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a `run prefix to give multiple options < 1339680825 605723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's `run, anyway < 1339680830 978470 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp < 1339680831 169772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev: \ agpgart \ audio \ audio1 \ audio2 \ audio3 \ audioctl \ console \ core \ dsp \ dsp1 \ dsp2 \ dsp3 \ fd \ full \ initctl \ kmem \ loop0 \ loop1 \ loop2 \ loop3 \ loop4 \ loop5 \ loop6 \ loop7 \ mem \ midi0 \ midi00 \ midi01 \ midi02 \ midi03 \ midi1 \ midi2 \ midi3 \ mixer \ mixer1 \ mixer2 \ mixer3 \ mpu401data \ mpu401stat \ null \ port \ ptmx \ pts \ ram \ ram0 \ ram1 \ ram10 \ ram11 \ ram12 \ ram13 \ ram14 < 1339680842 803887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied < 1339680849 940580 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise HackEgo :) < 1339680861 996842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's connected to anything anyway < 1339680868 178491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/null > /dev/full < 1339680873 980623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339680882 969605 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that worked..? < 1339680888 165098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, /dev/null containing nothing takes precedence over /dev/full containing everything < 1339680892 136283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo a > /dev/full < 1339680895 1371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device < 1339680907 690449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --version > /dev/full < 1339680911 463517 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device < 1339680917 45699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --version > /dev/full; echo $? < 1339680921 462610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device \ 1 < 1339680931 557822 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1339680973 443722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/false --version; echo $? < 1339680976 551876 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :false (GNU coreutils) 8.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Jim Meyering. \ 1 < 1339680980 850880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/false --version actually errors, btw < 1339680988 649116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when used in the intended fashion < 1339680991 921711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to stay falsy < 1339681322 355780 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run telnet nethack.alt.org < 1339681325 214485 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: telnet: command not found < 1339681327 535068 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1339681356 249571 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1339681359 517807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1339681371 969118 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1339681422 134410 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df -h < 1339681424 922175 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1339681432 318300 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough botspam, sorry ;) < 1339681555 50625 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo, what is this about Feather..? :) < 1339681558 353241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339681580 520425 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is not hoover and i don't give a dam < 1339681591 119636 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm written out this works not too well < 1339681750 51675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339681786 696393 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really only bot you can destroy with it's shell so it can't be recovered is oonbotti. good thing #shell is botop only < 1339681825 670814 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339681836 481784 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1339681961 323102 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339681974 309137 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339682011 809407 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339682024 631858 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339682099 259985 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339682803 921466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339682962 90171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339683194 22003 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339683251 466679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339683467 691279 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339683474 715332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome stenno < 1339683479 432211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339683489 937031 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339683499 304420 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1339683542 202423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can escape the welcome < 1339683553 362757 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :\welcome < 1339683556 682491 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this? < 1339683558 697711 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339683632 762725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:19:05 quintopia: so you consider narrow wins as /much/ lower-scoring than crushing ones? < 1339683636 594046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think this is probably a bad idea < 1339683637 642559 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339683645 534843 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1339683700 587093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:07:06 ais523: i consider winning one tape length/polarity and drawing on the rest to be 1/42 as good as winning on them all < 1339683710 915633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's *very* harsh, and IMO goes against the intent of my polarity system < 1339683725 862898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating an opponent should be considered atomically, without regard to the matches that make up that result < 1339683828 49801 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339683873 841969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:29:45 I don't think system is implemented, you guys… < 1339683880 476227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc certainly implements system(), so EgoBot will do it fine. < 1339683928 931049 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c System("ls") < 1339683934 748407 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1339683936 170598 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("ls") < 1339683938 862468 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339683968 676379 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it wouldn't give output anyway, would it? < 1339683978 345717 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system(), that is < 1339684026 894325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:30:13 what is up with HackEgo? < 1339684037 524502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that nobody's realised that all of Gregor's bots are broken for whatever reason :P < 1339684048 218425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: I think it would? < 1339684051 646441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("hi\n"); < 1339684053 608424 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339684056 502297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that works. < 1339684058 417618 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339684067 919098 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats not system() :) < 1339684095 101668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But system() runs the command connected to stdout, I think. < 1339684097 642442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("echo hi"); < 1339684099 612516 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339684101 327653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1339684111 498425 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1339684139 795890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:44:13 enough botspam, sorry ;) < 1339684143 682204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenno: you are *clearly* new here :P < 1339684161 738725 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^" < 1339684180 664141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re Feather: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather < 1339684190 182652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339684220 789372 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i looked at that and found: < 1339684222 678079 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crude shadows of the protoideas of Feather may be picked up by people willing to risk browsing logs of the #esoteric IRC channel. < 1339684224 416973 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339684465 14464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c if (system("echo hi") == -1) perror("system"); < 1339684467 536091 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :system: Resource temporarily unavailable < 1339684482 504694 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339684608 988372 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339685982 171708 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339686951 791449 :stenno!~stenno@junethack/developer/stenno QUIT : < 1339687051 886910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339687062 914572 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather sounds like an SCP to me. < 1339687118 631579 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339688050 743303 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339688067 608052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It is. < 1339688729 57704 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339690558 435963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339691689 855457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I just got a job offer from Google. < 1339691696 978667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't expect that < 1339691719 733502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not a job offer as such, they did say they were interested in me though. < 1339692134 537076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (see /msg) < 1339692211 953715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OMG THATS AWESOME < 1339692248 886900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... one does not bother with putting apostrophes in the right places when typing with shift held down) < 1339692269 821762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I hear they use... PYTHON at Google. < 1339692451 189376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339692495 307068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339692502 999769 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be forced to make a GitHub account < 1339692527 553796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO < 1339692528 669437 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339692534 536759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUTURE < 1339692541 807151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to think < 1339692582 876618 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm even too tired to ask elliott to think for me < 1339692786 532381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339692812 826539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: OMG THATS AWESOME <-- meh, really? < 1339692847 276710 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339692902 587021 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339692902 777741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : THE FUTURE <-- I swear I saw something like that mentioned in relation to github recently somewhere.. < 1339692903 505168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339693571 737900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, it's not that < 1339693645 112406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not what? < 1339693654 912728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you saw on github < 1339693660 344489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1339693662 296268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1339693667 961198 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, as I've said I'm tired < 1339693882 560474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you do my thinking for me? < 1339693897 155896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339693899 941227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep. Boop. < 1339693955 167867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I forward some emails to you? < 1339693987 844767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. What are they? < 1339693999 789652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskelly library stuff < 1339694009 707465 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things you might be good at < 1339694032 429508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I got one of those once! < 1339694035 873098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1339694048 57030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1339694064 417307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm confusde. < 1339694066 84988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused. < 1339694115 948672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, seems like they spammed them < 1339694127 165519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't get your hopes up too high. < 1339694158 633016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, did you get the job btw? < 1339694165 232449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was a year ago or so. < 1339694172 588201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339694173 241924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never interviewed. < 1339694186 543431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing Something Else at the time. < 1339694193 395712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got mine a few days ago on an email I don't use any more (and thus only check like once / month) < 1339694203 998309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339694213 375442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I /am/ looking for a job. So hey, why not < 1339694230 163764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb You realise that pasties are publicly listed by default, right? < 1339694230 355306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339694237 787817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to be clear, I was being sarcastic < 1339694249 522710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah I guessed it was something like that < 1339694342 339141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have a list of people to spam and have people responsible for spamming them regularly < 1339694368 865797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339694463 995277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wake up monqy again. < 1339694468 324900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339694482 674927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Crawl game went to hell again! < 1339694510 731064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1339694538 845823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :( < 1339694564 54919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(telnet light.bitprayer.com if you must know the gory details.) < 1339694578 913683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm reading through my notes on compiling a h8300 cross compiler toolchain. Which for unknown reason I wrote in markdown a couple of years ago. < 1339694595 792131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a complex setup hm < 1339694601 578825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a sane topic to write a guide for without proper reason < 1339694612 24535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just quaff healing. < 1339694623 99998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also I forgot to mention it was for coff not ELF < 1339694626 564880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a sane thing to do in the first place either, unless you have a good reason < 1339694629 364070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that worked. < 1339694634 704775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh I did have a good reason < 1339694646 763693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a way to remind myself on how I did it < 1339694664 767524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason is that the Lego Mindstorms RCX unit has that processor) < 1339694677 475551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so perfectly sane thing to do) < 1339694683 807313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly sane. < 1339694780 867958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can breathe flames. < 1339694783 200283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...cool. < 1339694797 910318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, me? Nah, I prefer ice < 1339694830 803766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the "unknown reason" part was markdown < 1339694841 804624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't find I reason I used markdown < 1339694872 258903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you wanted to publish your notes and be famous for your h8300 cross compiler prowess? < 1339694876 746857 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it offer anything over plain text? < 1339694891 852921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, XD < 1339694915 892587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I published them... Though I could certainly do so if anyone is interested < 1339694924 46852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you can make an HTML page from it I guess < 1339695478 207942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so this is where I heard the word "naven" from < 1339695478 976355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Naven < 1339695501 379978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, just curious, do you have a DS account? < 1339695664 452792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1339695802 381935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339695827 993499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you didn't, then it's currently impossible to get a new one < 1339695830 698791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1339695912 940867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, DS? < 1339695924 858026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Creatures Docking Station < 1339695929 344978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339695954 912724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....ok, I wasn't expecting that norn to die within seconds < 1339695966 208489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I want the less_fragile genome < 1339696062 367144 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339696432 322547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I made some very violent norns < 1339696500 963803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339696554 384410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should come to Mountain View! < 1339696570 220501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "it's \"the place to be\"" < 1339696701 385726 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339696704 716656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339696704 908273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339696735 695161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh? < 1339696757 377098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wait, you're not in Hexham or something, are you? < 1339697619 645181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham, Sweden. < 1339697656 555091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophically speaking we're all in our own Hexhem. < 1339697669 440296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's probably not the plural.) < 1339698163 448993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's totally the plural. < 1339698180 715930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's Haxhem. < 1339698363 436179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham === the Matrix of Solidity? < 1339698392 844599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hem is a common ending of place names in sweden, so Haxhem is not impossible < 1339698413 411272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to actually exist < 1339698454 264282 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is there big are made out of forest? create Haxhem there < 1339698502 214124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix of Solidarity. < 1339698521 85336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is are well big made out of forest < 1339698549 38295 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+areas < 1339698563 279439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, about 105% of sweden is forest < 1339698757 385456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sure is a lot < 1339698797 633518 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about 200% of finland is forest < 1339698843 324857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest is lakes. < 1339698875 566756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The remaining -100%, presumably.) < 1339698903 15840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lakes are also forest, but don't count towards the land area < 1339699007 825083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the extra percentage of sweden's forest grows on Vorpal's mom) < 1339699034 674655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greater Hexham area has some forests and lakes, but they're all artificial < 1339699328 429670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Louis XI of France had a big nose < 1339699345 526056 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very relevant < 1339699685 843746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm louis xi of france < 1339699697 608471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how's being dead going for you? < 1339699718 397540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, how about being French? < 1339699726 983525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge nose? < 1339699785 148936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cmompilatioencated < 1339699909 625853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yay, lakes! < 1339699952 657407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was in a lake once. < 1339699954 479718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland. < 1339700048 982024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be doing an Extended Project Qualification, and I'm thinking of doing it on something computer-sciencey < 1339700240 746415 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how bathroom tiles are turing-complete < 1339700469 419510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how are they turing-complete? < 1339700480 663068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_tiles < 1339700627 110027 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1339700687 938800 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339700834 144063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand what that periodic/aperiodic thing is about though < 1339700846 203686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like penrose tiles < 1339700874 392005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like *that*! (I don't know what they are) < 1339700898 180760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's periodic < 1339700937 749649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sort of put a bunch of them together in a really big tile < 1339700944 405210 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just tile that over a plane < 1339700972 458110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's aperiodic, you can't < 1339700982 512393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes, you can still copy it all over a plane < 1339701116 624973 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the plane is infinite < 1339701124 604604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As planes so often are < 1339701168 846826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The planes you get nowadays, I wouldn't be so sure. All made with cheap child labour and so. < 1339701344 269058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, probably better to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperiodic_tiling < 1339701369 151621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just some person who can pull off sounding like a nerd in Hexham < 1339701504 501497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't hard < 1339701748 792305 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339701837 817057 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New scoring system? < 1339701857 612214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person whose name I do not recognize? < 1339701942 604561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome john_metcalf < 1339701945 842467 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339701959 463508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scoring system is for BF Joust < 1339702063 239724 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: john_metcalf = impomatic :-P < 1339702072 753720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome impomatic < 1339702075 569187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339702097 692343 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling incredible welcome :-) < 1339702112 823809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome john_metcalf < 1339702116 165074 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339702546 752589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME TANEB < 1339702549 946763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TANEB: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1339702561 29332 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339702571 816158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME WELCOME < 1339702575 436936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1339702594 980864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome `WELCOME THIS WON'T WORK < 1339702597 962063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`WELCOME: THIS: WON'T: WORK: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339702644 454862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fungot < 1339702645 733619 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wireworld makes a lot more comfortable. you may want to refresh the read buffer take in the event dispatcher < 1339702647 361640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339702715 992930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, fungot ignores HackEgo < 1339702716 741871 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: here is some example code lying around, it's a full-screen experience. < 1339702751 26622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fungot seems a lot more coherent than usual < 1339702752 291348 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: effort that takes time...) you're running it in dynamic mode the default and most fnord don't want my own codebase on this one < 1339702822 228942 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that to prevent them from talking back and forth? I ton't think HeckEgo would respond to most fungot comments. < 1339702822 793681 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: hmm ok maybe i should look at? < 1339702848 740036 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that'd be nice. < 1339702879 105359 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hackego < 1339702892 120485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HeckEgo, more child-friendly than HellEgo < 1339702959 812166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: It's more to stop botloops. < 1339702988 839838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "well-known" Underload one for fungot/EgoBot using ^ul/!ul. < 1339702989 734528 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not sure i understand < 1339703002 905236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's been quite a few others. < 1339703104 592437 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not sure what a botloop would be other than two bots talking to each other. I guess more bots than that in a cycle? < 1339703146 302684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "talking", replying to commands. < 1339703248 232144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703249 56918 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703259 455655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was with thutubot or something. < 1339703263 872007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways. < 1339703274 441740 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339703278 768573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(!ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703279 507264 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (!ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703294 544379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: Didn't you have a !ul? < 1339703312 560418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see the point. < 1339703323 111248 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1339703323 341744 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1339703335 516163 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (foo)S < 1339703335 847661 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339703350 927893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some (HackEgo) add something invisible (zero-width space) in front of all output to break them, also. < 1339703362 217112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(!underload )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703362 860209 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I didn't know fungot had commands like that, instead of being purely conversational. < 1339703363 482270 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (!underload )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703363 811339 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: " some people just read for fun. < 1339703364 1969 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ul (^ul )(!underload )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1339703380 260443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1339703381 52251 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1339703432 475652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if I put fungot twice in a reply? will fungot say two different things? < 1339703432 967407 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and the page i looked at the cl version. < 1339703478 534798 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (#echo foo)S < 1339703478 887990 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#echo foo < 1339703506 562422 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot seems to have that invisible space < 1339703531 957620 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1339703532 148378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1339703536 434318 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1339703536 664531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1339703552 699008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregorbots do, I suppose. < 1339703656 691282 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen #echo foo < 1339703665 640525 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen #echo foo < 1339703667 497344 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​90 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>++.--.+++++.+++++++.<---.>---------.+++++++++..>-. [453] < 1339703676 237865 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>++.--.+++++.+++++++.<---.>---------.+++++++++..>-. < 1339703676 429040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #echo foo < 1339703706 332632 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot prevents it by putting visible space in front of output < 1339703716 811690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1339703717 684791 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti)! < 1339703722 88156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my list. < 1339703727 949453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339703741 648687 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has ignore and oonbotti can be abused any way you want < 1339703742 450666 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: problem with the environment, which you still can’t whip out without some backlash. that’s impressive staying power. i am a free variable < 1339703807 159085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice encoding. < 1339703836 8444 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you are botop for oonbotti you can create one bot botloop in which oonbotti sends same command to itself infinitely < 1339703880 961053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1339703886 483166 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you can get it to talk to itself it will be stuck in a loop executing eliza < 1339703908 123912 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is simple < 1339703914 68798 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg oonbotti foo < 1339703926 262769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ignore is a single regex that's directly matched against the nick!user@host prefix. < 1339703927 764327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you know irc doesn't echo your own messages, right? < 1339703954 668170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You do see them if you PRIVMSG yourself, though. < 1339703966 947994 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. why do you think I'd think like that? < 1339703988 287753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: any talk of single-bot bot loops raises that flag < 1339704023 914344 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. yes. it uses PRIVMSG to send message to itself < 1339704031 139520 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339704088 725689 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339705789 118244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, should I play Planescape: Torment? < 1339705948 458225 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you should < 1339705951 392281 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is awesome < 1339705971 516885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, would it be acceptable to watch a video of someone playing Planescape: Torment? < 1339705979 141406 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeh < 1339705981 263889 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1339705983 666613 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're lazy < 1339705996 248812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, how hard is it to get to work properly on Windows 7 64-bit with a modern high end AMD GPU? < 1339706001 924002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339706003 48687 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : Depends < 1339706011 250396 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CD version, it will crash < 1339706016 425105 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVD version runs okay < 1339706025 599881 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So be sure to check which one you get < 1339706025 830063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, 4 CD version is what I found. < 1339706029 188986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339706035 34350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Given up on buying it, eh? < 1339706039 140080 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CD version has this weird bug < 1339706047 586627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want to make sure it runs before I buy it < 1339706049 486622 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there's too much graphics going around, it crashes < 1339706059 791668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, actually, there seems to be patches though. Also I'm okay with windowed mode < 1339706060 660238 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's actually all fine < 1339706061 408699 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1339706069 610830 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time you encounter magic effects < 1339706070 707784 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam! < 1339706080 276423 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also patches didn't do me much good < 1339706082 414641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GOG make sure stuff works on modern machines, don't they? < 1339706082 624426 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can try < 1339706084 377143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, how far into the game do you need to play to figure that out? < 1339706089 927068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So testing a non-GOG version seems ineffective. < 1339706093 337013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well also to check I like it. < 1339706107 673517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway even the gog site links to a modding guide to get widescreen stuff working < 1339706115 564543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously in this case they didn't go the whole way < 1339706126 88741 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal : Not very far < 1339706137 631362 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you get to the catacombs < 1339706142 568878 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You encounter some cranium rats < 1339706150 826626 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :They like throwing magic at you < 1339706153 761468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, should be easy enough to play to and check. < 1339706165 743822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many minutes can I possibly wate? < 1339706165 956307 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, remember to save before entering the catacombs < 1339706167 692688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste* < 1339706185 520464 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a way to fix that problem < 1339706196 400558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, will the save work when switching game engine later on? After all the widescreen mod said like "be aware that this breaks saves!!!" and so on < 1339706205 514826 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to turn down the video card acceleration or whatever that was < 1339706209 721920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/engine/verson/ < 1339706212 825230 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I couldn't find how to do it on some computers < 1339706224 383226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, any experience with catalyst control center? < 1339706225 122317 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1339706230 24578 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is < 1339706239 504957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, the AMD/ATI equiv of nvidia control panel < 1339706260 473919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Radeon HD < 1339706272 225891 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1339706308 865165 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bootstrike.com/Torment/Online/torment_vista.php < 1339706314 786024 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : Open the Display item in Control Panel. To do this, click Start, type desk.cpl in the Start Search box, and then click desk.cpl in the Programs list. < 1339706314 976913 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : Click Display Settings, and then click Advanced Settings. If you are prompted for an administrator password or for a confirmation, type the password, or click Allow. < 1339706314 977016 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : Move the Hardware Acceleration slider to None. < 1339706320 694722 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one < 1339706378 409959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is vista, not windows 7. There is no "advanced settings" there < 1339706379 994078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339706420 407803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the screen resolution one < 1339706426 621188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what desk.cpl is it seems < 1339706450 671209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however... there is no such slider < 1339706514 339852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: g'night < 1339706543 132695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night are you serious < 1339706565 137554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with that? < 1339706638 489335 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g.night < 1339706640 804538 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g-night < 1339706643 581508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g~night < 1339706651 326190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: its < 1339706654 560245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:40 or somtehing < 1339706670 301329 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is 23:45 < 1339706671 6215 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1339706819 707650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the pre-rendered movies of this game looks bad in modern terms. < 1339706905 456905 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve been playing Thief 1. It was released in 1998. The prerendered movies are 320×240 with an Indeo 5 codec. < 1339706926 196206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what sort of build wrt stats is viable in planescape? I tend to go for a generalist when I can < 1339706934 178960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know if that will work out well < 1339707044 362487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, right, the rendering looks worst than Myst in this case I'd say < 1339707051 772586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when was Myst released? 1995 iirc? < 1339707054 131514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1339707095 33475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible that wikipedia knows when Myst was released < 1339707116 220840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1339707127 866923 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s possible that wikipedia knows whether wikipedia knows when Myst was released. < 1339707140 943594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have the original CD and it came bundled with a mac my dad bought in 1996 or 1997 or so < 1339707147 484812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my guess < 1339707155 208218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia knows whether it knows? that makes it sound like wikipedia has become sentient < 1339707526 128629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The run key doesn't seem to work, or the tutorial is incorrect < 1339707683 429851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it says ctrl but it is shift < 1339707767 36738 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is playing "Creatures 2"
< 1339707821 313388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: Sgeo will be happy :P < 1339708156 200287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played C2 < 1339708168 480103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you happy anyway < 1339708180 176518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When norns are suffering, I am happy. < 1339708182 14869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, hi. < 1339708184 211796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339708194 256721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339708202 386201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently wondering whether chemicals (other than setting Wounded to 0) can save an injured Fragile norn
< 1339708221 813886 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain to me step by step how you reduce "lambda" [(x)(y)(z)-(z)(y)(x)] to underload program? < 1339708262 288443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask oerjan < 1339708348 670405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves
< 1339708378 298225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer to that question is no. < 1339708388 676632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to save a dying fragile norn is to get rid of the wounds < 1339708392 443893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directly < 1339708402 723077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i assume you mean by the procedure in the article < 1339708525 220178 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-232.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339708546 57624 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339708563 755171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wait what is the gameplay if you can just set wounded to 0? < 1339708577 273923 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1339708578 968292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something that would be a console command in any other game < 1339708585 336073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call setting wounded to 0 gameplay < 1339708587 808884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: let's follow the suggestion of always using the first rule. the first rule which can apply is [XY-A] = [Y-[X-A]] < 1339708590 786653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, more like a console command < 1339708596 975560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so cheating then? < 1339708611 273865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make addons, and use those addons, is that cheating? < 1339708625 157001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because addons can do the same < 1339708649 535232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, depends on if the addons are cheaty in most games? If someone make an addon to skyrim that gives you a staff of instakill with infinite charges then I would say that was cheating for example < 1339708650 820333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, something that makes things paradicacle is boring < 1339708658 433529 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. now it is [(z)-[(y)-[(x)-(z)(y)(x)]]] < 1339708658 985057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradiseical < 1339708660 617962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's still not unambiguous, since you can split up in two ways. let's set X = (x) and Y = (y)(z), this gives [(y)(z)-[(x)-(z)(y)(x)]] < 1339708662 785562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't slepp < 1339708664 469835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelell < 1339708668 949150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339708680 308672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wtf does "paradiseical" mean? < 1339708688 439115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like a paradise"? < 1339708692 995436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1339708698 379703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339708700 904789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know of anyone who made such an agent < 1339708708 382222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, it could kill toxic norns probably < 1339708727 850432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ok i guess we can do it twice. (i'm not sure if that's really according to "choose the first rule", but that's only for avoiding loops anyway.) < 1339708728 698582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Norns that have a backwards biochemistry -- they thrive on stuff that's normally harmful) < 1339708752 198714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, so I made norns that have a chemical reaction 1 Wounded -> 2 Wounded < 1339708764 900440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit stupid < 1339708777 69692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1339708828 257486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, to me that sounds like implementing haemophilia in a game :P < 1339708837 532018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the goal < 1339708841 289949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339708847 796716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because torture? < 1339708854 364034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want that? < 1339708873 62192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no set goal, you know < 1339708888 200564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [(z)-[(y)-[(x)-(z)(y)(x)]]], now [X-(BC)] = [X-(B)(C)]* applies < 1339708907 120678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait no < 1339708938 440435 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wouldn't [(y)(z)-[(x)-(z)(y)(x)]] also reduce to [(z)-[(y)-[(x)-(z)(y)(x)]]] ? < 1339708982 368481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, sure but it sounds a bit mean < 1339709001 880961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done worse < 1339709005 30514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah it probably does < 1339709035 197880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norn constantly in pain < 1339709051 339091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norn that's constantly pumped with the "Punishment" chemical < 1339709054 986194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norn that behaves randomly < 1339709071 890429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("pull weather" "get grendel home") < 1339709077 491497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we actually want [X-(A)B] = [X-(A)X][X-B] < 1339709100 778221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, "grendel"? < 1339709114 726935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's mental issues were chemically controlled, so, via the Biochemistry Set [cheating], I could make the issue go away < 1339709119 98268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the "mean" creatures < 1339709123 926748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They beat up norns < 1339709131 824906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not as aggressively as my killer norns < 1339709132 16230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339709135 756615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339709144 430697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving [(z)-[(y)-[(x)-(z)(x)][(x)-(y)(x)] < 1339709146 670013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339709151 612892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving [(z)-[(y)-[(x)-(z)(x)][(x)-(y)(x)]]] < 1339709158 884447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1339709182 84817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My killer norns actually have a brain tract overriding their brains into always "hit norn" "hit ettin" or "hit grendel" whenever they see a norn, an ettin, or a grendel < 1339709189 726287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're immune to wounds. < 1339709246 377100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And ATP Decoupler, and some other random toxins, but not all toxins) < 1339709281 917083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can use the [(x)-(A)(x)] = :[(x)-(A)]~ rule twice < 1339709316 204933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving [(z)-[(y)-:[(x)-(z)]~:[(x)-(y)]~]] < 1339709395 867648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have helped a lot if my brain were working < 1339709500 673423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the "[(x)-(A)(x)] = (A)~ when x not in A" rule applies too < 1339709519 153914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make that [(z)-[(y)-(z)~(y)~]] < 1339709679 453651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now apply [X-(A)B] = [X-(A)X][X-B] < 1339709723 786069 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(z)-[(y)-(z)][y-~(y)~]] ? < 1339709733 962387 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[(z)-[(y)-(z)y][y-~(y)~]] < 1339709769 350365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[(z)-[(y)-(z)y][(y)-~(y)~]] < 1339709776 548575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1339709781 388641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[(z)-[(y)-(z)(y)][(y)-~(y)~]] < 1339709817 365778 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339709839 170996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which again gives [(z)-(z)~[(y)-~(y)~]] < 1339709856 136109 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, want to try it? < 1339709888 275821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creaturesdockingstation.com/ < 1339709895 450757 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might have to do the offline thing < 1339709944 472925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now [X-AB] = [X-A]B < 1339709960 519840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : when B does not contain any of the variables from X. < 1339709980 868433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives [(z)-(z)]~[(y)-~(y)~]] < 1339709981 249483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(z)-(z)]~[(y)-~(y)~] < 1339709994 220599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then [X-X]= < 1339710001 281839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving ~[(y)-~(y)~] < 1339710008 489503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can also just watch LNA at http://lna.songua.com/ < 1339710026 238515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although note that that depicts a docked world < 1339710045 593931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the person who runs that bought Creatures 3, and is running Docking Station with the rest of the Creatures 3 world attached < 1339710047 380963 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then [X-AB]=[X-A]B < 1339710057 272389 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~[(y)-~(y)]~ < 1339710061 140133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1339710162 675943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i think we only can apply [X-B] = [X-(B)]^ < 1339710187 207293 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~[(y)-(~(y))]^~ < 1339710218 373672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now [X-(BC)] = [X-(B)(C)]* < 1339710262 267464 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~[(y)-(~)((y))]*^~ < 1339710345 537132 :calamari!~calamari@70-1-110-89.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339710346 413586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X-(A)B] = [X-(A)X][X-B] < 1339710371 478970 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~[(y)-(~)(y)][(y)-((y))]*^~ < 1339710417 472103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(x)-(A)(x)] = (A)~ when x not in A. < 1339710454 817628 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(~)~[(y)-((y))]*^~ < 1339710459 373123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X-((A))] = [X-(A)]a < 1339710469 223365 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(~)~[(y)-(y)]a*^~ < 1339710474 348188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X-X] = < 1339710475 760634 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(~)~a*^~ < 1339710485 782285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :voilá! < 1339710535 893660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should find the electric wall < 1339710548 239960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely the best agent to act as a barrier, because it sets up a real wall < 1339710557 104481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than pushing creatures away < 1339710582 598794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: btw ~a*^ is an underload idiom, equivalent to Joy's "dip" < 1339710636 324627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact that's probably pretty close to what you'd craft with experience < 1339710688 465039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based on stack manipulation intuition) < 1339710747 872681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*voilà < 1339710837 600236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viola < 1339710892 34644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, ~ = swap top (y) and (z), giving (x)(z)(y); (~)~a*^ = swap the (x) and (z) underneath the (y), giving (z)(x)(y); then a ~ to switch (x) and (y) < 1339711274 427733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339711343 762196 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't (X)~a*^ be same as >R X R> in forth? < 1339711387 837144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in effect, i guess < 1339711418 821453 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339711447 364305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming X did nothing similar to >R and R> itself < 1339711923 408344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might say underload ^ combines >R, R>, and forced execution < 1339711967 684954 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. underload o < 1339711977 516219 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o+is pretty interesting esolang < 1339712054 526026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best < 1339712147 598948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you feature underload for me thx < 1339712159 954912 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like with ~a*^ you can pretty much use it for whatever you want < 1339712175 507892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: underload is tc with just :()^ < 1339712183 620161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit incredibly pathologically < 1339712227 612332 :calamari!~calamari@70-1-110-89.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339712250 574029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, i've used up my quota on deadfish *evil cackle* < 1339712286 239482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no by feature i mean < 1339712287 697794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a blurb < 1339712289 929265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1339712292 811022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a month late < 1339712301 6212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to change the featured language < 1339712303 764300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laughs) < 1339712414 445261 :calamari!~calamari@70-1-110-89.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339712429 224599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise that new language list entry is a redlink, right < 1339712452 739408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i thought i'd give him a few days to flesh it out *insane snickering* < 1339712488 319878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339712489 239197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, underload isn't even a candidate. < 1339712510 417287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339712516 123849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone add underload as a candidate then < 1339712568 259837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write a blurb for one of the others < 1339712569 709819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do ANYTHING < 1339712588 641098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, doing anything is against my policies < 1339712602 978623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, sheldon -> < 1339712678 673970 :calamari!~calamari@70-1-110-89.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339713014 921315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339713914 975833 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339713921 881189 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-17.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339713940 15072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-232.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339714148 673416 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339714500 595519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339715441 202982 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339715485 435710 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339715584 44053 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339715638 649414 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339715994 363912 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339716332 930067 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/6eaf8673/save.php?hash=a86e5c18fe95f7470b88480043abbfcf < 1339716335 801565 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 61.9 < 1339716439 565310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339716488 248834 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this will keep dreadnought in first with the new scoring system... < 1339716502 336870 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339716709 508050 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339716980 227560 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339716981 127525 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339716988 482495 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339717322 207366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: complaints? < 1339717462 32060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339717676 764385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my highlights say you were complaining earlier < 1339718310 276874 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339718762 324163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339718768 572507 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-17.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339719018 684049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339722471 145444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, right. < 1339722476 915978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Quoth: < 1339722498 614872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:20:54 00:19:05 quintopia: so you consider narrow wins as /much/ lower-scoring than crushing ones? < 1339722498 832558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:20:58 quintopia: I think this is probably a bad idea < 1339722499 23790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:20:59 --- join: azaq23 (~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23) joined #esoteric < 1339722499 23985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:21:07 --- quit: azaq23 (Max SendQ exceeded) < 1339722499 24088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:22:02 05:07:06 ais523: i consider winning one tape length/polarity and drawing on the rest to be 1/42 as good as winning on them all < 1339722501 19171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:22:12 quintopia: that's *very* harsh, and IMO goes against the intent of my polarity system < 1339722503 18933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:22:27 beating an opponent should be considered atomically, without regard to the matches that make up that result < 1339722562 597164 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1339722786 573807 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1339723219 382963 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339725376 281416 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339725867 526854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339725918 629658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-191.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339725919 169599 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339725948 511406 :pikhq!~pikhq@174.22.151.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339726028 986779 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly wish I were writing this wiki page in Finnish. < 1339726047 33533 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say "this is a blog_PARTITIVE I wrote". < 1339726093 977303 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. "An unfinished blog I wrote". < 1339726385 233423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339726462 933367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. that is what you said. i, of course, believe you are wrong and that winner-take-all does a poor job of capturing the quality of a warrior. care to elaborate? < 1339726469 915973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :forking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/HJWG < 1339726502 39272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because if something beats everything on the hill < 1339726508 469930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter if it draws most of its matches and wins one else < 1339726515 149582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a really good program < 1339726624 141545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so? i think that a program that that crushes all top ten warriors and loses by one to everything else on the hill is better than your hypothetical all-narrow-margins warrior < 1339726668 9742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1339726669 17885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good program is not one that can win on one length and polarity. it is a program that consistently wins in all conditions. < 1339726672 478430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let ais523 argue this one < 1339726688 341991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i strongly dislike your version < 1339726701 711019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of testing on all polarities and tape lengths < 1339726707 476361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to remove random effects from consideration < 1339726708 352325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said he thinks my version gives better rankings < 1339726713 134902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smooth out such things < 1339726720 957588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that doesn't mean it couldn't be improved < 1339726731 420173 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339726739 809833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the winner-take-all property of the current hill is the number one reason it gives *poor* rankings < 1339726743 881083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1339726745 441443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i was saying < 1339726750 408004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the point of testing on all polarities and tape lengths < 1339726750 711234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is to remove random effects from consideration < 1339726751 31654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and smooth out such things < 1339726753 444474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to give finer-grained ratings < 1339726759 983459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as a superposition win-or-lose < 1339726765 244819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on all possible random choices of tape length/polraity < 1339726766 643942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polarity < 1339726768 951155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what was done beforehand < 1339726793 612038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are arguing my side :P < 1339726807 290961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339726808 724058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not < 1339726829 318694 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that an "mbyte" is a digit in base 257. < 1339726852 337961 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to encode 177 mbytes in 177 bytes and one bit. It is not possible to encode 178 mbytes in 178 bytes and one bit. < 1339726867 232185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you SURE < 1339726873 941719 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably. < 1339726899 335202 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that draws on all but one tape length and polarity would have been recorded as a *draw* on the old system: the odds are just stacked that way. if you want to smooth out things, your scoring system should consider all tape lengths and polarities, not just the one length and polarity that happens to barely push one program ahead of the other. < 1339726924 225400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: proof? < 1339726945 381183 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe that there are MPs who have not missed a vote. < 1339726959 454040 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 257^177 < 2^(8*177+1), but 257^178 > 2^(8*178+1). < 1339727021 750517 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also cannot believe that the house has actually had two >24 hour sittings this Parliament) < 1339727041 993858 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes me wonder, how simple could you make a circuit that encodes 177 mbytes in 177 bytes and a bit, and then decodes them? < 1339727045 303892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, I'm fine changing the behaviour of draws. < 1339727050 430420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the result is considered atomically. < 1339727147 109082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 177 * logBase 2 257 < 1339727148 292394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1416.9955452073166 < 1339727172 69639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you or are you not saying you are fine with letting victories count for more proportional to the margin of victory? < 1339727173 450235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1417 `divMod` 8 < 1339727174 813203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (177,1) < 1339727188 890509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 178 * logBase 2 257 < 1339727190 92921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1425.0011697565105 < 1339727200 710862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1426 `divMod` 8 < 1339727201 946222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (178,2) < 1339727219 595577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty close. < 1339727223 249141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not really < 1339727230 296824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: im ok requiring wins>draws or whatever though < 1339727238 284156 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that densely packed decimal works, encoding three decimal digits in ten bits. < 1339727338 179921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 1000 < 1339727339 102391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.965784284662087 < 1339727353 923306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what do you do with the other .034 bits? < 1339727376 878321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: encoding/decoding is really just base conversion < 1339727401 545435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :between binary and base 257 < 1339727420 361280 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's one way to implement it, yes, but it's not very interesting. < 1339727437 401490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the use of an mbyte < 1339727469 414585 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DPD is more interesting than base conversion. The decimal digits 0abc, 0def, and 0ghi are encoded as 0abcdefghi; the decimal digits 0abc, 0def, and 100g are encoded as 101abcdefg; and so on. < 1339727491 115288 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now just figure out what the Chicago rapit transit system "and so on" means. < 1339727501 657165 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: as far as I know, there isn't any. < 1339727511 194217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mbytes have many uses. < 1339727523 816960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, encoding 178 bytes and 1 bit < 1339727583 697178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hm ok so you want to replace that with 0abcdefgh and 1000000 (only one option for the 1 version) < 1339727595 286736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1339727598 380929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100000000 < 1339727811 993237 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, if you're encoding just one mbyte. < 1339727827 972359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no i meant you want to use a similar scheme < 1339727835 672818 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yeah, I guess so. < 1339727873 343437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0 case looks trivially convertible that way < 1339727891 573442 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encoding two mbytes, you can say... let me use . to mean "grab a digit from a non-256 mbyte". < 1339727913 642969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um i am thinking specifically of the 177 case, which as you say should just fit < 1339727941 76877 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1339727958 112945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you might have an induction which only runs out of spare room when you hit 178 < 1339728009 763287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should just fit? < 1339728013 966878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it "just not fit"? < 1339728022 279217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no that was 178 < 1339728047 757805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wasn't there an extra bit? < 1339728058 182597 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so how can you encode 177 of them? If they're all non-256, you can encode them as 0 followed by all of them. If exactly one of them is non-256, you can encode them as 1, followed by eight bits to determine *which* one is non-256, followed by all the non-256 ones. < 1339728096 941336 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eight bits won't be "used up", however; you're just using them to encode a number from 0 to 176. If the number is from 177 to 255, that indicates that you have more information. < 1339728103 253883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, you have 117 bytes + 1 bit, and making that one bit 0 gives you the case of all mbytes <= 256 exactly as with that DPD thing above < 1339728121 437869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1339728123 387487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's DPD? < 1339728141 821435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "above". < 1339728153 507025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, densley pcaked decimel. < 1339728159 973593 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, suppose exactly two of them are non-256. You have two digits you can use to specify which two: one (255-177+1) = base-79 digit, and one base-256 digit. < 1339728222 777222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256 * 255 `div` 2 < 1339728223 859094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32640 < 1339728245 761859 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can store any of 20224 values in your two digits. But you only actually need (177 choose 2) = 15576; the remaining 4648 possible values you can reserve for if there are three or more 256s. < 1339728253 491488 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1339728276 469344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Something is suspicious there. < 1339728285 554118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: right but this is not going to give a simple scheme for finding the prefixes < 1339728291 138823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need the -- oh. < 1339728305 246824 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this raises a question. What's the most natural way to encode a base-(177 choose 2) digit as a base-79 digit and a base-256 digit? < 1339728346 857552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: mixed base conversion >:P < 1339728393 823655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the less headroom you have, the more complicated the scheme probably needs to be, and closer to base conversion < 1339728433 927458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256 * 79 < 1339728435 186412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20224 < 1339728436 710670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you _do_ run out with 178 might mean there's no simple recursive scheme < 1339728480 508437 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm guessing that there is a simple recursive scheme somewhere, but it doesn't terminate if you ask it to, say, encode seven base-2 digits in three base-5 digits. < 1339728490 335738 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339728605 800346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there is an _intuitively_ simple scheme ... for n 256-mbytes, just allocate the first prefixes of 8n+1 bytes which have _not_ been ruled out by choices for < n < 1339728623 166534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not obviously simpler to calculate than a base conversion, is all < 1339728649 799432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bytes/bits/ < 1339728665 72777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote add Ah, densley pcaked decimel. < 1339728667 494116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with a base conversion? < 1339728668 716227 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339728672 938236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Ah, densley pcaked decimel. < 1339728675 981149 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) Ah, densley pcaked decimel. < 1339728680 597209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :-( < 1339728693 917081 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they're boring, and they don't preserve the input bits. < 1339728702 86216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n=0 allocates 0; n=1 allocates 100000000 .. whatever 256+176 is, etc. < 1339728703 751466 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "they" means "a base conversion". < 1339728718 575743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339728722 142714 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. < 1339728737 564871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS! < 1339728800 813479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scheme obviously uses the space as efficiently as possible, since only one bit sequence is allocated per mbyte sequence < 1339728873 172628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS! < 1339728876 253054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS! < 1339728893 19536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339728896 449606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS! < 1339728910 312509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed to follow quoting standards. resubmit for further consideration < 1339728931 589536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. i put the two spaces in where you like them. jeez. < 1339728936 197599 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, let's take a simpler problem. Encode 19 bits in 12 trits. < 1339728989 436620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: incorrect < 1339728998 937791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only violation is due to HackEgo's *poof* syntax < 1339729010 508623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be misquoting to correct that < 1339729030 536751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with HackEgo's *poof* syntax? < 1339729036 608948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, hmm < 1339729043 784572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the committee decided in error < 1339729049 135666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please accept our apologies and this free gift card < 1339729051 296545 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote awesome < 1339729054 788712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :78) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( \ 117) AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. \ 284) addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. \ 341) [on Sgeo's karaoke] Sgeo: < 1339729055 749053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why i resubmitted it in PM < 1339729058 171840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729061 702959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS! < 1339729065 874048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1339729067 986321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1339729069 856021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: good thing i have a log < 1339729071 984411 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, quote 78 is an example of... a class containing it. < 1339729074 843017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729077 501938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the committee does not accept insubordination < 1339729077 911272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729111 514909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the committee has been fired by the comittee < 1339729125 877350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm quotes.new < 1339729129 27581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729130 405661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in delquote < 1339729168 704636 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: delquote 844 < 1339729169 233690 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: never had a problem < 1339729178 646980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot < 1339729179 700890 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah kind like ocaml then... good idea!! why don't i post it to the lambda < 1339729185 75524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729187 886676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729190 763604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729194 188968 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729198 105019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1339729200 473087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1339729204 647693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 844 < 1339729207 362660 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729208 529404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729211 31600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please just stop. < 1339729212 480118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729216 407950 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, encoding 19 bits in 12 trits. We find the biggest obvious common subset: 12 bits. Copy it over. Now we have two sets: (19 bits, at least one of the first 7 of which is 1), and (12 trits, at least one of which is 2). < 1339729229 514685 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, I don't know how to proceed. < 1339729230 726620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/HJWG < 1339729232 288948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1339729233 763157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sotp < 1339729234 762823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1339729234 953858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stop < 1339729244 537687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Please kick elliott and/or me. < 1339729244 728513 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. What does `revert do? < 1339729247 887489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729251 681747 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729314 191537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729315 771274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Reverts the last hg commit. < 1339729318 344133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 ​*poof* `delquote 844 *poof* Ah, densley pcaked decimel. TAKE THAT, DENSLEY PCACKED DECIBELS < 1339729341 795223 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1339729342 281206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you keep donig it, Gregor will just make HackEgo ignore you. < 1339729344 453340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't be the first. < 1339729347 820522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 844 < 1339729350 802901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729356 674129 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor is not here < 1339729358 560956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all're just being unpleasant. < 1339729371 989932 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1339729375 63766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729381 523505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mad
< 1339729382 128549 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to check ! < 1339729410 520543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :delquote is a terrible feature. would prefer no deleting but with quote karma and quotes sorted by karma and random quotes selected proportional to karma :D < 1339729433 773215 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339729436 576582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :740) oh jesus my mother is trying to ship bear grylls with miranda hart aerio;jghaeirugha < 1339729436 817274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Stop. < 1339729473 938125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. You're just being stubborn for the sake of being annoying. I'm just being stubborn for the sake of not being quoted there. < 1339729484 250609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ground is morally superior to your ground. < 1339729528 752226 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what if your name is replaces in the quote with [some guy]? < 1339729531 719255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, I revert people who are worrying with the bots idiotically < 1339729533 491380 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with shachaf's stubbornness. I do not agree with elliott's stubbornness. < 1339729549 809424 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But let me suggest a compromise. < 1339729550 929791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about the quote at all, but you just delete evrey quote with your name in it, so... < 1339729554 178845 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote becal pckecibedecimacibedey d pakely pckensensly d dely decimecked pacimakecal dey < 1339729557 59812 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844) becal pckecibedecimacibedey d pakely pckensensly d dely decimecked pacimakecal dey < 1339729558 803190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's not true at all. < 1339729563 201710 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, my compromise sucks. < 1339729564 357838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That particular quote is bad. < 1339729567 460628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone being stupid with quote < 1339729568 906409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1339729571 465989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729571 656469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bad quote < 1339729589 23852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care about bad quotes in HackEgo *or* my quotes in HackEgo, taken individually. < 1339729592 527749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like the combination. < 1339729606 253122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1339729609 397417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :581) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 624) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 659) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS. Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS. < 1339729623 18642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quotes are all bad, for what it's worth. < 1339729626 865007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1339729638 362607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1339729641 425867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339729642 545692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1339729646 152764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :581) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 624) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 659) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS. Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS. < 1339729657 685580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quachaf < 1339729661 707028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn end-of-line space < 1339729701 616778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoerjan < 1339729906 775338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote primate < 1339729909 791842 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :794) elliott: Apparently Rowan Williams is Primate of All England. CHECKMATE CREATIONISTS < 1339729943 258081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd otherwise have guessed rowan atkinson < 1339729982 888138 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm guessing 'quote [something] pulls up an arbitrary quote with [something] in it? < 1339729990 109069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yes, unless [something] is a number < 1339729995 49699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ` not ' < 1339729999 145990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1339729999 436627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arbitrary" < 1339730002 77553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by arbitrary < 1339730004 717092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "every" < 1339730011 503228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote horrors < 1339730014 148887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :215) Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1339730031 716751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy < 1339730035 264231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :307) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. \ 346) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup \ 349) `quote django < 1339730048 924721 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brisnging up all sachaf quotes dind't bring up the primate one. < 1339730065 869790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :346: best quote or bestest quote? < 1339730068 562130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: length cutoff < 1339730084 845561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, pastequotes < 1339730090 304877 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO it's arbitrary, depending on how htey're sorted. < 1339730097 116954 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they're < 1339730117 224881 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'quote bear < 1339730124 192331 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1339730133 948512 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bear < 1339730136 826667 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :47) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. \ 193) "* There is no scientifically-justifiable reason to exclude pornography, which is a vital part of the web ecosystem. However, bear in mind that we're tracing JavaScript, not MPEG and JPEG decoding." ^^^ This bullet-point is my crowning achievement as as a scientist. \ 245) who is guido < 1339730147 815431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's just `quote without an argument which chooses randomly, i think < 1339730195 222604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1339730197 957814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :297) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 348) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 349) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1339730211 971806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 349 < 1339730214 862016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1339730218 827324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's cpressey? < 1339730231 562650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one < 1339730233 74581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1339730258 481434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf doesn't know who cpressey is! impostor! < 1339730270 19821 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A printing press for making C-related documentaiton, maybe. < 1339730309 638486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes django < 1339730312 809730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1855 < 1339730319 710971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew there were more < 1339730329 406882 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something liek a Cypress tree. < 1339730349 266063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :k-d trees are better < 1339730525 722732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339730528 163356 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/parlvu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=9203 < 1339731161 317654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hi < 1339731230 648270 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339731233 704413 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 hours of voting < 1339731299 880037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339731326 360274 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, looks like Canada still exists. < 1339731352 326443 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed < 1339731397 861098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im surprised < 1339731401 316849 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to contradict the measurement that the Earth was destroyed some time ago. :| < 1339731484 523547 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I"ll have to sleep on this. < 1339731488 102772 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze < 1339731495 957343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop reminding me i havent finished reading fine structure yet < 1339731503 657637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ban MDoze :'( < 1339731567 548057 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what's fine structure. < 1339731596 410818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDoze: Serialised novel by Sam Hughes, the Earth Destruction Advisory Board guy. < 1339731602 276912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the How to Destroy the Earth guy and so on.) < 1339731609 719919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/structure < 1339731625 129211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good, at least what I've read of it. < 1339731639 517771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also good is its predecessor, http://qntm.org/ed. I haven't read his newest thing yet.) < 1339731823 378329 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like some things I'd be interested in. < 1339731838 791023 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now to actually get ready for bed. < 1339731927 960483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1339732064 573859 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339732164 410123 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339732928 80848 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339733717 584335 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339734296 673748 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339734820 641614 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339734916 572533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339734969 93238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1339734969 284100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Jun 15 05:37:31 < 1339734980 516638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called if you have a category C and D having a functor from C to D leaving objects alone, and from D to C translating objects? I notice you can do this with Kleisli categories resulting in the endofunctor of the monad < 1339735016 153125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe ##categorytheory would know? < 1339735023 219365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work with comonads too < 1339735095 628626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe #haskell would know < 1339735292 608521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't know < 1339735300 390436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339736218 723139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they don't know < 1339736275 695577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339736530 5126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other question was to make up a lens of two categories c1 and c2, where newtype Lens c1 c2 x y = Lens (c1 x (c2 y x, y)) < 1339736537 823145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't know that either < 1339736545 149111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339736635 41564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time monqy < 1339736636 672245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for monqy is Thu Jun 14 22:03:55 2012 < 1339736637 16359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time elliott < 1339736637 207459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Jun 15 06:05:19 < 1339736638 277076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time zzo38 < 1339736638 667914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zzo38 is 2012/06/14 21:53:15 -0700 < 1339738584 710090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1339738585 55844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Jun 15 06:37:47 < 1339738587 530076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1339738642 294195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339738746 376678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :info -> fal < 1339739099 335715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339739549 70034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys ready for this awesomeness? < 1339739555 934607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QNXF < 1339739565 458179 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.6 < 1339739590 326585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree/disagree this? http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=9722591#p9722591 < 1339739661 26797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/JFWU < 1339739993 804741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/THRA < 1339739996 678182 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 59.7 < 1339740509 224575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339740982 258087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/ejMG < 1339741510 100622 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339741510 862912 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339741806 494024 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leepaidamba makes the ingenious argument that no one can ever be sure of anything. as we all know, this needs to be said at least once a week, so i totally agree with him. < 1339742255 463088 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It not only turned out one of the axioms was not an axiom at all, but even that another was simply wrong." what do these refer to? for the parallel postulate it turned out that it in fact *was* an axiom (once people stopped being retarded and stopped fearing that god would punish them if they came up with new mathematical objects), so it turned out EG was in fact perfect. < 1339742267 454942 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are the two axioms? < 1339742412 744060 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we have to make anything extinct, it is the human we should extinct." this is wrong, animals are worthless compared to humans < 1339742465 724053 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a species, lives i don't give a shit about) < 1339742609 734654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what "It not only turned out one of the axioms was not an axiom at all, but even that another was simply wrong." refers to either. < 1339742701 283079 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it refers to "God exists." < 1339742830 84860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me this is refering to geometry, but I don't know what axioms are being refered to here. < 1339743102 882033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is Leepaidamba doesn't know what he's talking about, he recalled that there was some history around and about euclidean geometry that was useful for making his argument that you can't even be sure about mathematics (and thus god exists), and he chose the details of that history so his argument would sound the nicest. < 1339743306 48857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1339743361 424273 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm going to russia, and for the visa they need to know the dates of my previous visit < 1339743372 526826 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you were about 3" -- my parents < 1339743921 311112 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339745624 300176 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339745627 341440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339745627 532522 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339745640 315664 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339749552 134595 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339749552 361443 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339749552 361520 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339749732 240646 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339749900 601597 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339753230 473959 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1339753389 335022 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339753389 566167 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339753389 566269 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339753421 236154 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339754127 297227 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339754164 707033 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339754853 688512 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339755968 635337 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-62.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339756347 335173 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339756468 634737 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-152.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339756755 549476 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooom < 1339756857 149885 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339756925 208330 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339757239 831472 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1339761175 838106 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone used leptonica lib? < 1339761309 357637 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339761309 549020 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339761309 549158 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339761357 314159 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339764321 34804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339764395 678296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339764864 765964 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit, that Elder Scrolls lore IAmA guy died?? < 1339765431 377923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, IAmA? < 1339765445 43109 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reddit thing? < 1339765462 514154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I guess I completely missed that (since I don't read reddit) < 1339765537 68009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not the iama thing, that sounds familiar when you mentioned reddit) < 1339765547 905569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I mean the elder scrolls lore iama thingy) < 1339765640 135894 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339765706 244262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, do you happen to know a good disk usage viewer for windows. Like showing a pie chart or something to visualize how much different subdirectories use. Gnome 2 has a most excellent tool for that. So I'm looking for something similar for windows < 1339765723 221046 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WinDirStat. < 1339765728 942075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, will google it < 1339765730 918420 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for the same thing just the other day. < 1339765770 312760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:\Programs Files (x86) is 78 GB, so I want to find out why < 1339765778 247662 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam? < 1339765781 504895 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Steam. < 1339765797 667593 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339765822 417151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, steam is just about 37 GB (skyrim is on an ssd using the symbolic link thingy of NTFS) < 1339765836 466558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err I meant 47 < 1339765852 211701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a large gap there < 1339766046 654126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, turned out the GoG.com directory was largest, followed by Steam. < 1339766069 256063 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like you could've worked that out just by using sort by size. < 1339766109 78425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, hm I thought windows explorer didn't recursively calculate directory size for sorting/detailed list purposes? < 1339766113 687120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it didn't under xp < 1339766125 787208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I never checked if it changed under windows 7 < 1339766134 765964 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it doesn't calculate directory size. < 1339766137 833972 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows :') < 1339766139 548979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it doesn't < 1339766153 486969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, anyway the graph this program generates is pretty < 1339766194 816974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the colour is file type, right < 1339766217 178644 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit hard to get it to show a pie chart though. < 1339766231 824682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be done? < 1339766438 49187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can turn off hiberfile.sys, that is 16 GB wasted, since I never suspend to disk on that computer. < 1339766497 752015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "powercfg /hibernate off" < 1339766520 277901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For an official source, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920730 has it as the "let me fix it myself" solution.) < 1339766520 998659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, in xp it used to be just a checkbox in the control panel < 1339766736 875262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems on c:\ I have a total of 15.1 GB of *.dll < 1339766738 584028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339766890 982890 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 102.7MB of .so < 1339766907 206010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:\Users is 139 GB. < 1339766997 99227 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : /home is 2.6GB < 1339767078 502121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop I'm not sure I could sensibly measure that stuff. I have some loop mounts of squashfs for stuff like NwN static data or the intel c compiler. < 1339767092 996685 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339767219 909146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This work-workstation has 1302114840 bytes (about 1.2G) of files ending ".so" in /usr. I'm slightly curious about how many there would be in total in the filesystem tree, but it would probably take far too long to scan through all the network mounts. < 1339767265 296385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could scan /home and /lib as well, that should cover almost everything else that is local surely. Maybe /opt too < 1339767266 55903 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't locate index that kind of thing? < 1339767288 579429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The locatedb doesn't have anything non-local, sadly. < 1339767294 462206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc locate doesn't index the size though, so you would still have to stat() everything < 1339767325 511135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop /home is 91 GB (with the squashfs loop mounts unmounted < 1339767329 407501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339767374 743608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I just saved 1.3 GB by removing vcredist and directx setup files from the steam games (those are only used on first run) < 1339767406 546654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't it provide one shared version of those common dependencies, rather than download a copy with each game. < 1339767442 147961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would save download time at the very least < 1339767444 652656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/PfWV -- distribution of .so across top-level directories. < 1339767473 460344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, /users? That is an unusual setup < 1339767486 236442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a local disk. < 1339767493 771101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas /home is in the netwerk. < 1339767511 295985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *.so is mostly symlinks when under /usr, probably to libfoo.so.1.2.3 < 1339767513 554928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1339767527 210240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't all that easy to count actually < 1339767564 888661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you usually have multiple symlinks to each real .so < 1339767600 421695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried to do a "du -hs /share/matlab/" to see how hilariously much of MATLAB there is, but it's been running for over 15 minutes now and doesn't seem to be finishing any time soon. < 1339767623 337718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to network? < 1339767662 181161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's MATLAB versions R2009a, R2009b, R2010a, R2010b, R2011a and R2012a in there. < 1339767667 84026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1339767673 993199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why more than one version? < 1339767674 413563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combined they probably take quite a bit of space. < 1339767698 618798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case someone still needs the old versions, presumably. < 1339767735 406339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ongoing experiments and whatnot, maybe someone doesn't want to disk changes in results due to changes in whatever. < 1339767813 58848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/disk/risk/ < 1339767938 801333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. < 1339767939 846541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -hs /share/matlab/ < 1339767940 37433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :24G /share/matlab/ < 1339767945 923044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not *so* terribly much. < 1339767993 824487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one is largest and what size is that one? < 1339768012 497747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so don't want to re-run it for the individual directories. < 1339768029 485272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guesstimate they're all the same order of magnitude, more or less. < 1339768046 379521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have nice pages listing which research groups wastes most space on the shared project disk(s), but I think those no longer auto-update. < 1339768125 541831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the link even 404s now. A shame. < 1339768161 247955 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339768796 874963 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339768797 206964 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339768797 398435 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339768871 517868 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1339768952 299178 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339770407 906495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339770664 796480 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339770690 639488 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339770823 86310 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1339770966 136726 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339771148 512690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339771996 678033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339772346 281291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo < 1339772882 382466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, fix glogbot already. < 1339773035 501530 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Gregor have you done anything to fix your bot? < 1339773035 692861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339773104 413643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You realise he's not here, right? < 1339773185 375097 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339773868 979332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good to be back online < 1339774702 622976 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339775280 882042 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339775412 926658 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339778351 678568 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1339778367 582732 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1339778948 600192 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: bonjour. < 1339778969 143059 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :vous parlez le français? < 1339779099 993187 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui, je suis francophone. < 1339779132 806831 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it okay with the ops/mods/higher channel entities to have a quick conversation in French with a mysterious testing guy?) < 1339779149 935177 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :J'espère < 1339779167 947787 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ne regardez pas mon nom :p < 1339779175 642352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that absolutely nothing else is happening, I don't see why not. < 1339779176 269178 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339779197 25336 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also note that I do speak English too :p) < 1339779218 135443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :je vais écouter avec l'expédient utile de google traduction < 1339779235 894886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :il pourrait ne pas fonctionner terriblement bien < 1339779246 875918 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oui, je vois cela < 1339779247 201816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :français est bizarre < 1339779257 781806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je vais essayer de ne pas trop utiliser d'expressions locales. < 1339779277 413128 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :profitons-en pour mieux nous connaître! < 1339779288 725742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: d'où viens-tu? < 1339779302 590924 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne suis pas de France moi-même, donc ne pensez pas que je parle le français super-bien < 1339779307 270222 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je viens de Belge < 1339779313 526122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :langues sont confus: ( < 1339779314 660331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate a déplacé les yeux de mon smiley pour quelque raison < 1339779314 850777 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et vous? < 1339779352 611183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis québécois, à montréal. < 1339779367 690739 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339779387 125151 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je connais quelqu'un qui vient à monréal < 1339779394 903669 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*va < 1339779402 473578 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops) < 1339779487 539789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ça fait presqu'un an que j'y habite. j'aime bien la ville, même si les étés sont un peu trop chauds pour moi. < 1339779491 133856 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339779521 939051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à quoi ressemble le climat en belgique? < 1339779536 383608 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Il pleut beaucoup < 1339779546 905152 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :enfin, je pense cela < 1339779557 646470 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339779579 14058 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mais, en étant honnête, le climat est assez beau < 1339779595 226189 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :il n'est pas trop chaud, ni trop froid < 1339779605 890332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... c'est tentant de venir visiter une fois. < 1339779614 883906 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vous savez que est-ce que bjfoust est? < 1339779621 115677 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je me demande :| < 1339779678 380353 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339779680 657956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est une compétition en brainfuck. < 1339779686 383080 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339779696 305586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :les participants essaient de mettre le «drapeau» de l'autre à 0. < 1339779701 362269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339779703 917747 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je pensais quelque chose come ça déja < 1339779710 938428 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comme < 1339779723 99928 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*déjà ;( < 1339779726 636059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you talking French in this channel? < 1339779729 959009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pour la discussion en anglais, voir #esoteric-en! < 1339779734 716648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1339779746 195860 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339779755 726844 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, parce que... < 1339779757 423343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie approved our conversation, so we were idling in French. < 1339779765 124554 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cela je pense... < 1339779771 952967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :et comme AnotherTest a dit, «à cause...» < 1339779776 660590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :je souhaite fizzie approuvé mes conversations: ( < 1339779793 888464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate has a hard time parsing emotes... < 1339779795 521447 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Il faut que j'aille manger < 1339779798 740073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I played a (very small) bit of Planescape and while it does seem to have a great story and setting the gameplay annoys me too much < 1339779803 600485 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je dois retourner travailler. < 1339779804 545902 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salut < 1339779810 240505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à la prochaine! < 1339779819 771786 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui! < 1339779874 54220 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339779889 14925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I approve of your message. < 1339779901 870571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: merci < 1339779905 858596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also one thing I noticed is that while the lack of any sort of map markers telling me where I need to go increases the immerseiveness (is that a word?), such features do help keep up the pacing of the game. < 1339779929 864131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this game have that feature, at least not from what I have seen so far < 1339779934 276735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Si c'est un mot, il n'a pas «seive» en elle. < 1339779962 212254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not going to bother trying to translate that. < 1339779980 398829 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seive??? < 1339780021 838779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a word, he does not have tree sap in her??? < 1339780066 578701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339780074 574881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Found terminal < 1339780082 930772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpale: Lorsque vous regardez quelqu'un jouer que Star Wars MMO, j'ai commencé à réfléchir à la façon étrange, il semblait que les membres du parti déplacé sur la carte en temps réel. < 1339780091 441064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339780094 70737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: J'ai traduit «If it's a word, it doesn't have "sieve" in it.» et que c'est ce qu'il m'a donné. < 1339780098 455165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The battling sort of the gameplay is kinda-sorta "meh", yes. There's not terribly much of it, though. < 1339780099 699343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seive < 1339780115 166683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, are there any quest markers, any map even? < 1339780116 918652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sur demande je vais m'arrêter déblayage environ avec Google Translate. < 1339780124 749703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Re «immerseiveness (is that a word?)». < 1339780145 133322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also why is the inventory display 2x2 squares :( < 1339780173 280410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when interacting with chest-like stuff < 1339780174 997554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339780195 214514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't recall gameplay details at all. I doubt there's any quest markers. You can open a Torment map on another computer, though. < 1339780204 911194 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: on demand I will stop myself plow about with Google Translate. < 1339780214 339276 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339780215 392311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339780222 167465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1339780226 965057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also holding shift to sprint (instead of walking super slowly) is annoying. A toggle would be far superior (like caps lock is used in oblivion and skyrim) < 1339780308 701458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i will give up and use English ! < 1339780328 350647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less pain all-round < 1339780380 167879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When watching someone playing that Star Wars MMO, I started to think about how odd it looked having the party members moving about the map individually in real time < 1339780387 386592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are some mods that more or less make it possible to play with higher resolutions, incidentally. It may make things better; more visibility on screen, certainly. < 1339780410 518729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as contrasted with the way one sprite represents the entire party in most final fantasy games < 1339780442 627806 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339780453 820621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mostly followed the http://www.gog.com/en/news/mod_spotlight_planescape_torment_mods_guide/ way of playing. It starts with the resolution/UI bits, then adds some unofficial fixes. < 1339780471 685426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: When watching someone playing that Star Wars MMO, I started to think about how odd it looked having the party members moving about the map individually in real time <-- what? < 1339780483 659695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that odd? < 1339780513 815461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i grew up with games where the party is represented by a single avatar < 1339780517 803391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say the one-sprite thing is stranger unless it is a sprite showing several people (like in avernum overworld) < 1339780583 402132 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what I find interesting about it is how easy it was as a player of such games to accept that the single avatar represented an entire party < 1339780608 644467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh I can't use the scroll wheel in this game, it is too old to support that < 1339780669 287255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how well intentioned it is, an npc party moving about freely just can't hide it's artificiality < 1339780799 415746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an extaordinary leap of imagination that the game asks that a single avatar moving about a tiled map having random encounters represents a party of warriors stumbling upon monsters in the wilderness < 1339780853 552275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i haven't really said much of anything with so many words.. i would make an excellent politician < 1339780961 702931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think I've seen a mod for that for Torment, sadly. (There was one for some other game.) < 1339781286 817445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339781295 175061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah the UI is in general terribly annoying < 1339781408 906675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall it being terribly different from the usual sort of Infinity Engine stuff. < 1339781534 195966 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339781544 320000 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1339781596 742851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any difference between @ask and @tell < 1339781602 894056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask quintopia Is there? < 1339781603 433377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339781607 870566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Maybe there is. < 1339781608 300391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339781614 803910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now type @messages. < 1339781618 550430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339781618 742421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12d 21h 36m 57s ago: no < 1339781618 742601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 10d 21h 48m 49s ago: hi a little bit later. < 1339781618 742698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4d 10h 33m 17s ago: To clarify, I don't run EgoBot and have no ability to instal lanything on it. < 1339781618 742796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4d 15m 55s ago: Yes. < 1339781618 742956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 4d 15m 38s ago: How does the proposed hill differ from the current one? I'm lazy. < 1339781620 581186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 4d 15m 33s ago: Ranking-wise. < 1339781622 575400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 15s ago: Is there? < 1339781624 586845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 11s ago: Maybe there is. < 1339781628 916933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339781629 988084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1339781660 403500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats missing is @rejoinder < 1339781661 675155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go with "no" < 1339781669 618602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1339781671 619722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you blind? < 1339781672 835718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :superficial differences are lame < 1339781689 613895 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339781694 883687 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott rejoined 4d 15m 33s ago: Ranking-wise. < 1339781715 402481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rejoin every time there is a netsplit < 1339781722 431132 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if im using these words right < 1339781734 493721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, yes, now that I look at some screenshots, the container interface thing is a bit lame. Sadly (but understandably), I don't think the high-resolution mod manages to improve on that. < 1339781740 551020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very rare words probably only ever found in the translation of war and peace < 1339781883 786891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to page 30! < 1339781909 936292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my former record was page 12 < 1339781965 520042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what? < 1339781974 385341 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :war and peace reading < 1339781981 427652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it hard to read < 1339782008 458756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i think i can find relevant youtube < 1339782065 931888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can't < 1339782082 668013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's problems are 3 < 1339782135 683466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the english translation i have: 1) it has a lot of pages 2) each page has a lot of words 3) you really do need a dictionary at your side < 1339782150 370866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a better vocabulary < 1339782153 977198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because i'm the sort of loser who thinks it's fun to talk about something i failed at < 1339782192 462026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not much of a book reader... but honestly few people are < 1339782304 277074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a veritable mt everest of literature < 1339782362 71171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the fact that most ofl the characters have russian surnames adds to the fun < 1339782398 838018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1339782450 890724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the game feels too slow paced so far IMO. Also a lot of the UI is clunky. While I'm sure the story and atmosphere is good I think I'm going to skip this game. < 1339782625 932875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game? < 1339782655 523685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :planescape? < 1339782716 832366 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339782959 564640 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1319DC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339783245 336738 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the story isn't normally described as 'good'. < 1339783257 650314 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Best' is normally involved somewhere. < 1339784204 498748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/chTZ < 1339784213 881319 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 59.8 < 1339784275 830929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2_0_0, eh? < 1339784291 27690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks a lot different to the spelevator of yore. < 1339784412 924442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only a 0.7 improvement to the one resulting in the report in the topic < 1339784427 679809 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fixes a bug) < 1339784440 852364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "of yore", I mean the original. < 1339784470 887655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed by "of yore" you meant "i didn't see it when you first submitted 2.0.0 to the hill" < 1339784591 247694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, right < 1339784606 210446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, point is the interface is utterly clunky. < 1339785213 212102 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD Vorpal you're such a CASUAL < 1339785657 119993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, no, casual is not related to terrible interface. I would be casual if I said the game was too hard or too complex for example < 1339785759 270798 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't play a game without it babystepping you through the interface. < 1339786080 213996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, what was that supposed to mean? < 1339786120 653860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I'm not talking about needing a tutorial for the interface. The interface is simply badly designed and annoying to use. < 1339786139 937521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the combat is terrible. < 1339786702 969441 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1339787783 432103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339787923 632801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a category has more than one final object, I think then that category would have more than one Finalize monad. < 1339787938 550015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there is more than one initial object then it has more than one Initialize comonad. < 1339788232 493920 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-23-44.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339789162 39774 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95F4B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339789604 345285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339789921 854226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "If we have to make anything extinct, it is the human we should extinct." this is wrong, animals are worthless compared to humans < 1339790007 824333 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1319DC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120601045813] < 1339790012 96165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't agree with the reason, but humans _are_ the only current species that might have a chance of allowing life in general to survive certain astronomical events, including the sun dying < 1339790083 800244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although intelligence might evolve again if we go extinct, there is no guarantee it will be less destructive to life < 1339790190 884183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i understand there may be only 800 million years left to do so before plant life croaks due to lowered CO2 levels < 1339790237 278962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 800 million years :) < 1339790239 571831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course plants might evolve a better system to survive for longer) < 1339790260 536205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to save the *universe* from going extinct? Impossible, I would think. < 1339790264 108454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah that _is_ admittedly longer than major macroscopic life has already existed :P < 1339790321 777826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well maybe but if the hypothesis that black holes contain new universes is true, then maybe we could find a way to move into there < 1339790381 617115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess surviving their initial big bang would be a bitch too < 1339790483 847247 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest frogs < 1339790493 174891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER. < 1339790503 6596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i think that's jumping to conclusions < 1339790514 898560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sounds bilious. < 1339790564 120228 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: slick! < 1339790584 983147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs, walks over to the wall and flicks a counter up by one.
< 1339790614 322566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/ZOGe < 1339790617 287069 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 62.4 < 1339790630 141644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that was a worthwhile bugfix < 1339790633 322036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow < 1339790637 762913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you DOING to bf joust < 1339790640 867818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustreport < 1339790648 381948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1339790650 583157 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what counter? < 1339790670 446664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's next to the counters tracking the number of people in #esoteric who live in Hexham and Helsinki. < 1339790714 47274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/JBcN < 1339790752 173559 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah < 1339790766 666334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can assume it is frequently used, then < 1339790775 362760 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assure you Sgeo had nothing to do with it. < 1339790778 859833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its value may be higher than the other two. Possibly even combined. < 1339790794 132661 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1339790795 742983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Doesn't Sgeo have everything to do with everything, really? < 1339790799 658296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on some level. < 1339790801 105202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cosmically. < 1339790812 432900 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. How many frogs has he stepped on? < 1339790825 284968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was this flicking sparked by the previous #esoteric conversation? < 1339790860 117806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many frogs must a man walk down? < 1339790862 635518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does the counter have anything to do with people missing references? if so you might flick it again. < 1339790893 770849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a Homestuck reference, I don't see other references < 1339790895 876499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. What did I miss. :( < 1339790913 340706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i wondered what _i_ missed, since you flicked the counter < 1339790946 816119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, if there was such a counter, then " coppro: i think that's jumping to conclusions" would have confirmed it was in need of flicking. < 1339790971 85457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the incredibly lousy pun counter, right < 1339790978 93525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1339790989 74985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339790996 948884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A missing-references counter, I mean. Oh, to hell with it. < 1339791010 298060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume the frogs are the homestuck reference Sgeo speaketh about < 1339791062 699080 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was counting the number of homestuck readers in the channel. < 1339791067 999554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell did i suddenly get back pain :( < 1339791079 121767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: aha < 1339791098 672833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no risk of flicking it for me, then < 1339791113 830847 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I made a subtle homestuck reference and elliott tried to investigate to see whether it was really a reference or just me being stupid. < 1339791118 848175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just read where elliott flicked the counter < 1339791156 413240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm insulted. < 1339791159 627736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume everyone is stupid by default. < 1339791174 990666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone thinks I am testing their stupidity, rest assured I already know the conclusion. < 1339791176 408814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was about to say that that wasn't a disjoint set < 1339791189 13207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even see the prior HS reference. Because apparently I'm blind. < 1339791245 562657 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which? mine? < 1339791247 824205 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the counter was counting homestuck readers? and everyone missed the reference, causing the missing-a-reference counter to be created? < 1339791272 584429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339791287 700772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, although looking again, there were several < 1339791310 824731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's no counters. < 1339791331 920536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes, the counters are gone! < 1339791332 206986 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I only count the quick exchange between elliott and I < 1339791337 272125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the counter _itself_ was a reference < 1339791343 78828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dun dun dun) < 1339791350 888715 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you check for spoons? < 1339791353 983572 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay this is terrible now) < 1339791360 675891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it ever not terrible < 1339791361 38528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: dammit < 1339791362 362309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: no < 1339791370 568003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi! < 1339791374 666667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339791413 394673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh........ I don't remember spoons in connection with HS. Could be a reference to The Room or the fangame < 1339791436 61876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or me being thick < 1339791443 999166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because maybe I forgot something in HS < 1339791452 532097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that < 1339791453 182070 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1339791454 370269 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a crime < 1339791455 688461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1339791721 902453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/NFHC < 1339791724 788502 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 63.2 < 1339791809 821583 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/ONOi < 1339791818 483663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: halp. i can't stop. can't get real work done. < 1339791837 639476 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1339791843 558848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: isn't bfjoust real work? < 1339791848 550082 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did he really just... < 1339791858 881625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339791865 335920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1339791876 7136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That logo < 1339791888 233926 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1339791889 987566 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1339791894 473272 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not a homestuck reference < 1339791900 113706 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the thing elliott said < 1339791939 402482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's no counters"? < 1339791952 958832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1339792013 458049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a tabletop counter? < 1339792148 317613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Sgeo -----###
< 1339792173 510533 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you for agreeing with me < 1339792185 152859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1339792195 190269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we done talking abou counters yet? < 1339792196 749242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1339792197 413976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I missing here? < 1339792211 519289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the new - broke off the swatter < 1339792242 201633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: something rectangular, filled with numbers < 1339792271 746147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does that have to do with spoons? < 1339792324 729693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1339792372 361495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, knowing about memetic references isn't _really_ obligatory < 1339792377 471076 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we're not talking about counters any more < 1339792398 866443 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about Sgeo's inability to get references < 1339792401 239547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i don't think we're in HS anymore < 1339792532 706655 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if we keep this up, someone's going to get unplugged < 1339792556 333533 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late < 1339792559 675509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott already left because of this < 1339792567 696235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dead inside < 1339792568 497665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1339792586 595787 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the references have you < 1339792607 951155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what references < 1339792632 549415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: now i smell a lot of references going around that _i_ don't get < 1339792652 394301 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1339792873 843970 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my references have been to the same thing as the spoon < 1339792884 786184 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, as previously established, does not exist) < 1339792933 159491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Homestuck then. And I can't believe I derped as to the meaning of spoons < 1339792996 70535 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339792998 212209 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not homestuck < 1339792999 381817 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamit < 1339793007 420140 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant every reference since then < 1339793151 451567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix, because of "There's no" in what elliott said < 1339793173 614253 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1339793178 446700 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :took you long enough < 1339793309 216812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one literally said "There is no spoon" in the above convo, so < 1339793329 983271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix flitted through my head a few times but I rejected it because of that < 1339793373 591253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should actually watch at one point < 1339793379 915999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the beginning of it < 1339793384 473773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the sequels < 1339793401 985528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the first part of the matrix is the coolest < 1339793405 320049 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best references are subtle < 1339793408 528596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, references are hyped < 1339793413 759970 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is no spoon" is obvious < 1339793433 803609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I watched the first Matrix once many years ago. I don't remember that bit from it < 1339793439 159547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never watched any of the other ones < 1339793441 420907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so *shrug* < 1339793452 13393 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "there is no spoon" is probably its most famous line < 1339793453 491121 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' < 1339793457 61558 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's from the oracle scene < 1339793470 143397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, nah, I'd say the red/blue pill thing is the most famous < 1339793503 50622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't obvious to me. i also considered and rejected a matrix reference. < 1339793512 901870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't fit very well. < 1339793517 689459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, and I don't remember what the oracle scene was. < 1339793587 974301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague memory of someone bending a spoon using his mind, was that the scene in question? < 1339793603 740338 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339793614 876910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what else that scene was about though < 1339793642 475802 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in the waiting room to see the oracle < 1339793651 365767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it wasn't such a good movie as people seem to think IMO. Sure, it wasn't a bad movie, but IMO it was only a bit above average. < 1339793670 161962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, who was the oracle, I don't remember that :P < 1339793679 747681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black lady < 1339793680 761214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could like < 1339793684 33548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read a plot summary or something < 1339793684 857750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who appears randomly in places < 1339793695 413077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, drawing a blank on that < 1339793704 149878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in the first movie she only appears in that scene < 1339793713 511140 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339793717 298840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and I haven't watched any of the other movies < 1339793723 367739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I think I will < 1339793730 50245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neo and morpheus go there to ask her if neo is The One, basically < 1339793737 59265 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she gives a cryptic answer which is basically "no" < 1339793741 593937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339793743 743558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she makes cookies for them < 1339793748 906724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339793763 14458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe you can elaborate on why you think it's not a good movie < 1339793765 941419 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm curious < 1339793833 397410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, first: as I said it was a long time ago I watched it. I remember not liking it all that much, but I don't completely remember the specific reasons. I think it was a general subjective "I don't really like this" though. < 1339793833 625317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a good movie. < 1339793844 721626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and iirc the combat was a bit over the top < 1339793867 766526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339793883 460896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make it a bad movie < 1339793895 431997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the combat was fun to watch, and was decently original when it came out < 1339793904 24391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there have been 9000 imitations since then < 1339793907 33252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, indeed, I said it was above average above. I'm just saying it isn't as good as many people make it out to me < 1339793908 92369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1339793920 379156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(correction above for the last word on the line before it) < 1339793934 613975 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339793959 12843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it is not a 10/10 it is more like a 6.5/10 < 1339793998 692267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1339794002 643601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have many reasons and that's ok < 1339794012 820766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly agree it's not a 10/10 < 1339794017 590475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, not strange, it was like 10 years ago I watched it < 1339794017 781765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard for any film to be < 1339794023 837665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember all that much < 1339794047 642716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, anyway, 10 is unobtainable in my scale. It is "perfect" < 1339794065 738620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like warp 10 in star trek. Infinite something or whatever. < 1339794076 409877 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1339794076 661658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not I trekkie, don't remember the exact details of that) < 1339794080 598215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they breached it in that one episode < 1339794083 394213 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I trekkie < 1339794086 205903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks for cover
< 1339794093 824776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I am not* < 1339794102 652325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not a* < 1339794113 65226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1339794116 849675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a trook. < 1339794123 817409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339794147 753821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did they? Okay < 1339794158 767269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they did that more than once < 1339794162 840692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1339794213 814355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I was referring to what was considered one of the worst episodes. Dropped from canon. < 1339794216 684705 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-152.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339794316 878216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh the voyager one? < 1339794336 694158 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339794652 329224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174.22.151.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339794659 55809 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339795054 70148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339795183 53481 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-33.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339796728 357714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i responded to you on the wiki < 1339796756 446779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is MCK for .MOD? < 1339796872 965673 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339797239 595035 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95F4B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339797265 634609 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95F4B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339797307 427320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Whoops, I think this reveals a bug for the a case in the !/ removal.) --Ørjan (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC) < 1339797309 385753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i revealed you another buge < 1339797323 608519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :waat < 1339797352 940388 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : / -> < 1339797363 851437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see the talk page < 1339797406 481522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE NOTHING < 1339797418 755001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles in complete innocence
< 1339797498 688319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :preview is for wussies < 1339797518 629163 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95F4B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339798438 841778 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339798469 858918 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339798527 618574 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-228.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339798549 835116 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-211.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339798565 805132 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339798860 997644 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339798868 529253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-228.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339799168 609681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339799394 8874 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339800025 54423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I find information about the Impulse Tracker format? < 1339800157 54231 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339800183 667581 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339800342 727753 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339800351 837376 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-229-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339801368 450710 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-156.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339801404 51536 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-33.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339801681 326402 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339801923 313127 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339802442 464206 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-229-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339802450 890873 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-148.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339802789 351821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://16-bits.org/it/ seems to be a copy of the document I've used. < 1339802888 936562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the ITTECH.TXT file in the Impulse Tracker zip, also.) < 1339802948 309849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can find copies of it by searching with that name.) < 1339803016 620879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user's manual, IT.TXT in the zip, also has some relevant information, like documentation of the filters. < 1339803081 89502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1339803126 24416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am trying to make a program which compiles music into Impulse Tracker format < 1339803142 64581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it can be played using ModPlug and MegaZeux and so on < 1339803205 664101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any experience with writing IT files, just reading them, but it's of course somewhat related. < 1339803218 888010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've also taken a look at the load_it.c file of the MikMod library sources. Just code there, though.) < 1339803356 899862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I want something like MCK that can compile into .IT or whatever < 1339803381 132828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MCK is a program to compile .NSF music file) < 1339804043 305225 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339804084 552584 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339804220 677747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you make a program that lets me algorithmically generate .it files? < 1339804244 720814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple music language with powerful features < 1339804247 264501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like chck < 1339804250 166816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chuck < 1339804413 833979 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339804561 632387 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-148.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339805525 107287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem some effects of MCK which are not possible in Impulse Tracker or any other tracker formats, such as desynchronized loops, or activating multiple effects for one note < 1339805634 534694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for desynchronized loops I could have the program expand the loops until they are synchronized when compiling it < 1339806072 185610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux cannot play .NSF files so to create music for MegaZeux game require other program; it can play .MOD, .S3M, .IT, .XM, .OGG, .WAV formats, and maybe a few others too. < 1339806131 47258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any MML compilers for these formats? < 1339806277 617686 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-156.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339806300 300885 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339806634 124148 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-66.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807427 228957 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807427 570026 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339807432 266308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339807518 610427 :ion_!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807552 54189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1339807701 512623 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807702 693970 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807703 9557 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1339807703 715804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807704 939880 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1339807705 635037 JOIN :#esoteric > 1339807706 150472 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807808 200879 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807814 169919 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339807825 66514 :ion_!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1339807861 911134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Oh shit you're not here. < 1339807877 565350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh shit you're here. < 1339807904 67459 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only momentarily. I'm still in China, I just wanted to check how much SHIT WENT DOWN while I was gone. < 1339807907 969262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out: a lot. < 1339807926 887172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs weren't working at one point; i haven't checked them since. < 1339807975 216827 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339807978 233808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well looks like you just got them working < 1339807996 859681 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339808017 698504 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did glogbackup figure it out? >_> < 1339808033 2357 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to implement proper log merging. I'll solicit logs if I need them. < 1339808055 451926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, glogbot was still here, just not logging < 1339808057 6767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: glogbackup was here, I think. < 1339808062 645682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339808069 655609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tunes.org logged everything. < 1339808070 342938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1339808073 926879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can merge that in. < 1339808081 178395 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. < 1339808082 527214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piffle. < 1339808086 681873 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame China. < 1339808110 569699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: May I suggest having glogbackup always present? < 1339808147 577414 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot a terrible idea *shrugs* < 1339808156 853854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :snot, a terrible idea < 1339808209 955946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we won't see Gregor again, now that he's blamed China. < 1339808226 445161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more dangerously, I'm blaming China from WITHIN CHINA. < 1339808231 769964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1339808238 109756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect it might have been a software failure, anyway. < 1339808244 796549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some line caused it to break or something. < 1339808258 104262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was a much more retarded software failure. < 1339808263 376331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brog likes rocks! < 1339808306 99673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any relation to Thog? < 1339808348 876968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns that Thog is also a muppet
< 1339808385 15355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1339808396 839754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just so long as you don't say it in Mandarin. < 1339808414 3597 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nods* < 1339808444 800155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he had said it in Mandarin, he'd been automatically disconnected already. or wait, that is if _we_ said it in Mandarin. < 1339808448 380725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dont ask them about their grass mud horses < 1339808451 990996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gregor < 1339808459 372884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are you coming home we miss you < 1339808473 974183 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back on the 19th. < 1339808479 269980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'll make it better for you. < 1339808517 51607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :大中�人民共和国最良� < 1339808537 412278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://brog.engrish.com/ < 1339808549 56811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~= "The great People's Republic of China is the best!") < 1339808574 580826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did i just ruin it again < 1339808583 776306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339808621 141692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second item on that site says yes < 1339808652 194416 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Messages? < 1339808678 361505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1339808696 514719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor you dont have any messages < 1339808696 661308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339808729 189360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you know you can say < 1339808730 244679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1339808730 730798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1339808731 380187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339808781 819822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :共産主義� < 1339808807 136893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1339808807 911958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1339808817 446991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages? < 1339808818 82329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1339808824 727571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1339808825 566456 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Communism!") < 1339808844 975277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Do you know how good a game _Zork: Grand Inquisitor_ is? < 1339808849 731467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: < 1339808852 639250 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No < 1339808864 102946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You should find out! < 1339808934 257750 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stumbled upon this page: http://www.mu6.com/catalan_numbers_growth.html Which seems to show a relationship between the numbers of pascal's triangle and the catalan numbers. However, with pascal's triangle going on forever and ever, I was wondering if you could find such a relationship between pascal's triangle and any series of numbers... < 1339808958 784786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I have not even scrolled down that page and I can tell you it's the work of a crank. < 1339808972 316892 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339808973 99538 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339808983 503549 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mu6.com/images_catalan_numbers/catalan_pascal-208012.jpg picture in question < 1339809719 160226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1339809720 467820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Jun 16 02:23:22 < 1339809755 762694 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is @time coded < 1339809759 194471 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like that for my own bot < 1339809777 951603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Received a CTCP TIME from lambdabot < 1339809784 204495 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339809784 902902 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339809795 467264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Patashu < 1339809797 34205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Patashu is Sat Jun 16 11:23:09 2012 < 1339809806 486607 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I see it now < 1339810067 305688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wp has formulas for catalan numbers based on binomials, so obviously there is _some_ connection < 1339810114 809343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :binom(2n,n) - binom(2n, n+1) for example < 1339810204 895371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was waiting for oerjan to get on the case :P < 1339810305 114848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the picture _does_ seem to spread them a bit randomly around < 1339810945 434423 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what am i doing, i bet here's a great place to ask about parsers huh? :P < 1339810949 704021 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339810950 810195 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339811061 245488 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out what kinds of parser methods are available, which are best and what constraints they operate under < 1339811066 745034 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can read about one that suits me and implement it < 1339811067 156724 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339811125 947425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LALR(1), packrat, monadic parsing combinators... < 1339811144 751161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..., recursive descent, ... < 1339811165 768290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..., pratt parsers, ... < 1339811252 3869 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yeah, i can get more specific < 1339811252 608802 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1339811279 438686 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got sidetracked by wikipedia < 1339811323 449119 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so right, i have a sequence of either html tags or text values; i want to be able to create rules to match sections of the input sequence to identify specific text values with specific meanings and store that data < 1339811331 392411 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know enough to know what's best suited to the job < 1339811335 389465 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google hasn't been helping much < 1339811521 405617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm trying to figure out is: which kind of parsing is most desirable for speed? what are the restrictions that i have to work in? < 1339812189 858911 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at lalr now..) < 1339812209 401645 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems about right i think < 1339812838 306271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I heard kmc doesn't even own a television. < 1339814068 985051 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339814204 858300 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339814610 599214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it just me or is gcc's inline assembly syntax really badly documented? < 1339814703 399014 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1339815009 960921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so %ebp is "p". < 1339815014 846210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I would've found that out. < 1339815276 547404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339815358 663254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that's not even in http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Machine-Constraints.html#Machine-Constraints < 1339815381 484893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worse is that apparently the constraints for %r8 through %r16 simply don't exist < 1339815488 773003 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ask edwardk about packrat parsing < 1339815491 49163 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can handle it < 1339815514 202112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er that's "%r8 through %r15" < 1339815588 409254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably these don't exist because the gcc machine descriptions have not needed them, seeing as they aren't special to particular x86 instructions < 1339815642 451623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas, for example, %rax and %rdx are special, because they implicitly hold the result of IMUL or RDTSC) < 1339815678 103830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a poor excuse for a lack of uniformity < 1339815705 753257 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this annoyed me when writing a generic syscall function for amd64 Linux < 1339815725 283936 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it would just be asm("syscall" : pile of constraints) < 1339815808 781111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, if the function is inlined, the compiler can arrange for the arguments to be already present in %r10 and %r8 and such, rather than moving them there < 1339815826 199588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all see http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/06/13/the-intel-sysret-privilege-escalation/ < 1339815859 372681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that! < 1339815871 740098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty neat. < 1339815964 709328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-182.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339815973 517577 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339815984 857515 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, good times < 1339816000 601812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was writing asm("syscall" : ...) for 32-bit x86, in fact. < 1339816019 138317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not asm("int $0x80")? < 1339816023 650699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, yes. < 1339816038 552447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *was* writing asm("syscall"), in fact, but then I was reminded not to do that.) < 1339816094 814238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is syscall() the only assembly function you really need to write libc-less C in Linux? < 1339816122 629127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are a some other parts of libc that you couldn't implement. < 1339816139 413173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I found out that gdb allocates memory by calling malloc(). < 1339816157 862174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you p foo("abc") it'll malloc space for that string. < 1339816197 613631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks up the symbol "malloc" in the target process's address space and calls it?? < 1339816205 131006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would seem. < 1339816207 111833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you don't have malloc, or just don't have symbols? < 1339816219 302214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The symbol comes from libc, I guess. < 1339816232 11203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have malloc then it can't do p foo("abc") < 1339816264 315495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out how gdb does syscalls by unmapping various pages and seeing if it could still manage it. < 1339816270 626233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess gdb doesn't directly do syscalls at all. < 1339816278 706368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in my most recent libc-less project, I wrote syscall1 through syscall5, rdtsc, and mfence < 1339816301 234312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a varargs syscall. < 1339816312 655364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this was 32-bit, which I guess is a bit simpler. < 1339816315 232504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But actually not really? < 1339816326 156350 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :varargs :( < 1339816327 904123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always load junk from the stack into the argument registers. < 1339816337 107669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted the nice inlining behavior < 1339816337 512533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, I was implementing the spec here! < 1339816342 138008 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i was ricing the code < 1339816345 525295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1339816353 175610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know what you'd do if you wanted syscall performance? < 1339816354 830104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not have syscalls. < 1339816355 421466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1339816384 711381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what you'd do if you wanted syscall performance? < 1339816387 23423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not have syscalls. < 1339816390 550532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS-DOS < 1339816407 135340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wrote asm for a specific use case of mmap, so i could load immediates into %r10, %r8, %r9 directly < 1339816407 303110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they have syscalls. But you don't *need* to use them. < 1339816436 970285 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i iopl(2) < 1339816441 25966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it turn out to be mmap2 instead of mmap, or is that just for i386? < 1339816448 16208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People used syscalls on MS-DOS. < 1339816458 549592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But they didn't *need* to! < 1339816468 177560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I used __NR_mmap < 1339816479 821331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hack to allow >32-bit offsets on 32-bit linux, right? < 1339816490 423194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you write @ for me? < 1339816491 222373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a hack because mmap has 6 arguments. < 1339816500 93347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old ABI only allowed 4 or 5 arguments or something. < 1339816512 963253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of "numbered syscalls" reset to 1 on amd64 because the newer versions predate the amd64 ABI < 1339816525 914509 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mmap2() system call provides the same interface as mmap(2), except that the final argument specifies the offset into the file in 4096-byte units (instead of bytes, as is done by mmap(2))." < 1339816545 442973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does both, I don't know. < 1339816560 289356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did the old ABI work with 5 arguments? < 1339816568 918059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By passing a pointer to some memory. < 1339816648 315585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to get to the other side" < 1339816655 607269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oi. < 1339816670 131058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339816735 617856 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know there's a patron saint of drug smugglers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Malverde < 1339816758 400303 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fake saint, kind of like the "Nobel Prize" in Economics) < 1339816778 373685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patron Memorial Saint < 1339816786 610284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is not recognized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church. < 1339816809 749170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shock* < 1339816810 316171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339816813 961854 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339816827 411520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Gregor What are all those messages? < 1339816827 909679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339816837 124778 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339816837 677144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 10s ago: What are all those messages? < 1339816846 39695 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly people saying "AGG UR BOT BORKED" < 1339816849 995982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you ad rug smuggler? < 1339816859 440679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory < 1339816861 474737 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFF < 1339816875 959833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got punked < 1339816901 491637 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not by trade < 1339816911 434116 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have transported illegal drugs through zones in which they are illegal < 1339816914 579384 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is everywhere < 1339816938 729844 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: syscall isn't the only function you'll need to write in C... < 1339816951 634785 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, asm. < 1339816955 548268 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's just the only function that's really something you care about. < 1339816956 121367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is to write the thing I was writing! < 1339816971 121315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are a bunch of others. kmc mentioned some of them and there are others. < 1339816972 995261 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you don't care about setjmp, longjmp, et al. < 1339816991 809337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also cheated by using a few GCC builtin functions < 1339817004 369690 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memset, memcpy, strlen, fmodf, ia32_shufps < 1339817004 928955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish setjmp had an equivalent of makecontext(). < 1339817032 418096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this considered bad C style? { int (*hd2i)(char) = hexdigit2int; ...hd2i()...hd2i()...; } < 1339817040 838817 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, another good example of something you won't care much about. < 1339817056 244053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Userspace threading is the future! < 1339817067 624556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these all (in my use case) expand to inline assembly < 1339817069 591776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did your network server do userspace threading? < 1339817079 162173 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think more accurately that's considered "C style you wouldn't even realise exists". < 1339817084 615757 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it uses clone(2) < 1339817102 302858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you call yourself a ricer! < 1339817104 824526 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyways. The thing taht sucks about *context most is they're relatively high overhead. < 1339817111 742856 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wanted to use multiple cores < 1339817131 70453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know! I spent a while optimizing a low-overhead version of them. < 1339817143 134829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I ended up with was very close to *jmp. < 1339817145 156437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : memset, memcpy, strlen, fmodf, ia32_shufps < 1339817150 52579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need asm for most of those < 1339817151 11214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"need" < 1339817153 129676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339817156 406756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"knead" < 1339817158 396758 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just compared bsnes with libco in asm and libco using *context. < 1339817186 17606 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bsnes cooperatively multitasks each CPU in its emulated systems) < 1339817196 845974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You don't actually need assembly, I think -- you can get away with *jmp if you set up your stacks carefully. < 1339817232 230886 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You need asm to change the stack pointer to a newly allocated stack, though. < 1339817257 949522 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you're not messing with the jmpbuf, which you cannot do without relying on implementation details) < 1339817269 672695 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 rely on implementation details everyday < 1339817286 725933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, you have to rely on implementation details. < 1339817291 428993 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the asm would do the same. < 1339817295 181649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if you're not -- right. < 1339817311 1717 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the asm would only depend on the defined system ABI, rather than whatever the hell the libc is doing. < 1339817312 478822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand using the assembly yourself is probably nicer. < 1339817316 56410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1339817318 462014 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which *might* change in different versions of the libc. < 1339817320 812402 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it great how growing pot in your own backyard and then smoking it yourself in your own house counts as interstate commerce? < 1339817348 775697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1339817356 920484 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339817362 793294 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how a drug ban is constitutional. < 1339817365 126825 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Gonzales v. Raich < 1339817375 182520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about tobacco? < 1339817377 751489 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's interstate commerce, and therefore Congress has the power to regulate it. < 1339817381 189896 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Likewise. < 1339817384 318429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in 1920 you needed a constitutional amendment to ban a drug < 1339817408 399069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the days since then, the supreme court has decided that "interstate commerce" means "absolutely fucking anything" < 1339817424 749424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the federal government can pass laws pertaining to anything it likes < 1339817431 393097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, honestly, might be a more reasonable system in this day and age < 1339817432 584347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The government also contended that consuming one's locally grown marijuana for medical purposes affects the interstate market of marijuana, and hence that the federal government may regulate—and prohibit—such consumption." < 1339817450 786371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The environmentalist group Community Rights Council also filed a brief for the government, fearing limitation of federal power would undermine their agenda.[4]]] < 1339817453 958137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely < 1339817468 208123 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's blatantly not what's in the constitution < 1339817477 386030 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they really think that friggin' *butterfly effects* on the interstate market count. < 1339817486 886512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a long [[Wikipedia:Article title]! < 1339817489 452595 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't really think that < 1339817500 987984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just want this law to be valid and so they invent a justification out of whole cloth < 1339817525 472347 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, they don't *think* it, they just claim that it does. < 1339817544 842421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the growing or consuming part or both? < 1339817549 114808 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1339817789 885139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roe v. Wade is another example of this < 1339817803 453551 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally in favor of abortion rights, but the argument used by SCOTUS to get there is pretty fucking dodgy < 1339817832 306529 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339817869 571639 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also look at some of the arguments used in favor of DOMA (don't think any have hit SCOTUS though) < 1339817938 711610 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the precedents in place start making the UK look sane. < 1339817951 908485 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the set of UK laws is no longer knowable! < 1339817952 55403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Whta was the dodgingness there? I'm not too familiar. < 1339817998 292509 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they invented a constitutional "right to privacy" based on the due process clause of the 14th Amendment and a general gut feeling about the rest of the Constitution < 1339818025 675945 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They ruled that abortion bans are unconstitutional because it violates the right to privacy implied by the 9th amendment and due process stated by the 14th. < 1339818037 627114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339818039 550047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Lawrence v. Texas is a similar argument < 1339818048 122706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well frankly the US constitution is pretty draconian :P < 1339818057 561192 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attributing that to due process seems pretty circular < 1339818059 867533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not surprising it's bent so much < 1339818072 982993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you have this civil right because the constitution says we have to respect the civil rights you have" < 1339818089 586904 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really? what do you think is draconian, about the constitution as written? < 1339818092 503146 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I should note that the 9th amendment only states that the listing of rights is not comprehensive. < 1339818098 551572 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just omits a lot of stuff that's important today < 1339818106 917209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: draconian in terms of what the government is allowed to do/provide/etc. < 1339818121 419799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's an idiosyncratic use of "draconian" < 1339818131 260807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway obviously it's bent for good and bad causes and probably more the latter < 1339818138 747751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nex ttime take a tip from us < 1339818142 723959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't write the bloody thing down < 1339818145 179680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves so much trouble < 1339818151 145576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah SCOTUS "declined to adopt the district court's Ninth Amendment rationale" < 1339818159 545087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== elliott < 1339818168 211160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kmc? < 1339818188 53317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1339818190 391989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weird idiom < 1339818196 283901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdiom < 1339818204 481926 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1339818209 846615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Historically, "No Act of Parliament can be unconstitutional, for the law of the land knows not the word or the idea."[3] < 1339818212 520201 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the right wing in the USA kind of has a point about "judicial activism" < 1339818219 150796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's the lesser of two evils, in many if not most cases < 1339818234 294162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is judicial activism worse than the normal process of amending laws :P < 1339818248 900301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all kind of fucked up < 1339818259 69123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the us is weird < 1339818283 309559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys should have just turned into 50 separate countries < 1339818304 723807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried that first < 1339818317 590309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation < 1339818321 631825 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They also complain about legit uses of the courts as "judicial activism". < 1339818322 98262 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work < 1339818347 966934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not my fault you guys are incompetent < 1339818349 240518 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui becuase nobody could force the states to pony up some coin < 1339818351 878891 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1339818353 595466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying < 1339818361 794862 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the point where I've heard that merely *knocking down laws* is "judicial activism". < 1339818362 770832 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could just kick the South out of the country < 1339818368 294547 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would solve many if not most problems < 1339818384 711522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is what happens when you stray from the queen and god < 1339818396 974372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you take this lesson on board in your next reincarnation < 1339818405 477345 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that the US would function much better as a few different countries. < 1339818410 110686 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so these people reject Marbury v. Madison? < 1339818412 779176 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps one for each major reason. < 1339818421 358337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you expect they even know what that is < 1339818427 36779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339818432 80042 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They would if they knew it! < 1339818433 71478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway circlejerking about some imagined strawman right-winger is tedious < 1339818440 974669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too many real ones to bother doing that < 1339818441 164702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== elliott < 1339818453 872341 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :circlejerking is tedious < 1339818505 914624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom_%28HM_Government%29.svg/743px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom_%28HM_Government%29.svg.png < 1339818511 767303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys have anything this trippy < 1339818518 614692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im joking when i say) < 1339818519 605785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trippy) < 1339818522 55036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dont take me seriously) < 1339818522 998585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please) < 1339818526 886532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i could feel it about to happen) < 1339818528 22427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dont) < 1339818539 444680 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :circlejerking is tedious, have sex or go home < 1339818542 568701 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze < 1339818543 367655 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg Well, there's the reverse of the Great Seal, I guess. < 1339818566 431930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at the lions in the middle < 1339818568 103341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so chill < 1339818583 924238 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Seal_of_United_States.jpg < 1339818603 808787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that thing has always struck me as inviting conspiracy theories < 1339818609 199317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks evil < 1339818610 313057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339818617 807041 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does just that. < 1339818618 411951 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :original trolls < 1339818643 744101 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the "Novus Ordo Seclorum", which can be interpreted by people not good at Latin as "New world order". < 1339819022 794906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For me Gentoo is perfect. For you, perhaps not. What is really strage about Gentoo is this: people who like it or dislike it keep constantly refering to Gentoo-when in reality we are refering to Linux. With othert distro's when you have problems they are problems with Redhat or with SuSE or with Lindows. But if you have problems with Gentoo you have problems with Linux. That's because with Gentoo you have returned to the source." < 1339819152 658770 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Such a bad thing. < 1339819160 66958 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd almost have a point if it were Slackware. < 1339821218 660340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339821303 546567 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339821855 807668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any audio format that has a header specifying sample rate and stereo but does not include file idenfication or length (so that length is based on the length of the file instead)? < 1339821907 284899 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but honestly there should be. < 1339821950 446475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could invent one and suggest supporting in SoX; it should be not too complicated to invent < 1339821995 765675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Aren't there streaming audio formats that are like that? < 1339822099 686797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe; I don't know. I also don't know if SoX supports them. < 1339822425 7809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address 0x00: bit0 and bit1 = number of channels (1, 2, 4, or 6); bit2 and bit3 = bits (4, 8, 16, or 32); bit4 = signed/unsigned; bit5 = endian; bit6 and bit7 = unused (set to zero). < 1339822433 417077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address 0x01: track number. < 1339822444 969137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address 0x02 and 0x03: video syncrhonization number or album number. < 1339822454 704756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address 0x04 to 0x07: sample rate in decihertz. < 1339822467 530308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the data: raw uncompressed audio data. < 1339822534 889336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good? < 1339822549 924408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't pack bits like that < 1339822562 746279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why? < 1339822578 736750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's annoying to encode and decode < 1339822595 441694 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally the header would be a sequence of numbers all the same size < 1339822611 620004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't annoying to encode and decode < 1339822618 698739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more annoying than not doing it < 1339822629 11490 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might want a magic number at the beginning < 1339822636 738669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's kind of bad to design a format without any extension mechanism < 1339822640 361421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how trivial it seems now < 1339822652 425728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My whole point is not to have a magic number at the beginning or any length specifier < 1339822655 47030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example it's not ridiculous to have more than 7 channels < 1339822664 994842 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic number has nothing to do with a length specifier < 1339822668 535684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want no magic number < 1339822673 186838 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just helps identify the file type < 1339822699 560453 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you aren't even encoding the number of channels < 1339822702 43435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there *is* an extension mechanism; there are two unused bits. < 1339822709 41142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... not what i mean, at all < 1339822732 982724 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really no standard container format which is suitable to express this information < 1339822743 787920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv file file.zzo # extension mechanism < 1339822760 197617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know all of them require the length in the header too, which is one thing I am trying to avoid < 1339822773 316145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do people use for streaming audio then? < 1339822775 950467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the data may be piped from another program which does not yet know the length < 1339822778 512289 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are mp3 streams of indefinite length < 1339822790 158339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mpeg transport streams generally < 1339822790 304671 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: He's wanting raw audio, though... < 1339822798 669214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1339822803 317981 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you roll your own format < 1339822810 556021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do something silly like this 1,2,4,6 enumeration < 1339822820 897139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently .wav doesn't have a file length. < 1339822831 959035 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the header should be an array of 16-bit little endian numbers < 1339822833 610785 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simplicity < 1339822837 291509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has chunks which have lengths, but you can have as many of them as you want. < 1339822841 777832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The data itself doesn't but it is in a RIFF container which does include length < 1339822844 172822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should start with a magic number, a version number, and the length of the header itself < 1339822860 32523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe I misread. < 1339822899 893872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way new headers can have more fields, and yet old programs will just ignore those fields < 1339822900 268329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I did. < 1339822917 458714 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A RIFF file is a single RIFF chunk that can contain chunks. < 1339822930 155259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is something almost every format should do, imo < 1339822930 302295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to include such redundant things as magic number and the length of the header itself. I might change it but I don't want to add version number either; I want to keep the four byte sample rate and the rest of the header also being exactly four bytes. < 1339822932 873105 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like i'm no expert < 1339822946 93376 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: from where do you get all these arbitrary constraints? < 1339822964 772906 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The magic number thing is fairly standard UNIX convention. < 1339822966 82538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you're designing "format to satisfy zzo38's particular aesthetic requirements" then go ahead < 1339822971 797462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It is going to become too complicated otherwise < 1339822978 597458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about ogg? < 1339822981 595476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're designing "a good format, which won't pointlessly waste programmer time in the future" then please do not go ahead < 1339822989 991927 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1339823011 975147 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "too complicated" to have channel number be its own field instead of some wacky bit-packed enumeration? < 1339823022 728280 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1339823024 304886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why are you arguing with zzo38 < 1339823029 77366 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like absolutely terrible engineering to me < 1339823030 514278 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Magic number makes things simpler. < 1339823033 418030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what benefit are you trying to extract from this energy exertion < 1339823040 755487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want extra metadata. (The reason I included the track number is just because there is room left over; I want eight bytes header so that it will be aligned; instead of using seven bytes or something like that) < 1339823042 307841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc is addicted to IRC arguments. < 1339823044 496186 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bit-packing also makes things simpler < 1339823044 672454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively what harm are you trying to prevent < 1339823046 67462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We all are. < 1339823057 12015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 16 or 32 byte header would also be aligned < 1339823062 19699 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah :( < 1339823068 664880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1339823069 366533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes it would be, but I don't want it too long < 1339823070 161662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will argue with you if it makes my questions get answered < 1339823075 434454 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bytes is "too long"? < 1339823076 208932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy to perform this service < 1339823080 395949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fucking planet are you from < 1339823089 845401 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning to store your audio files on punched cards? < 1339823091 203485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Earth < 1339823102 564016 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It seems what you want is an analog of PNM for audio. < 1339823102 851950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow real formats get designed with these flaws < 1339823104 739134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should charge people for arguing with them. < 1339823106 198295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody must be responsible < 1339823114 651575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody must have had the opportunity to stop it < 1339823117 491568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: why are you arguing with zzo38 what benefit are you trying to extract from this energy exertion alternatively what harm are you trying to prevent < 1339823122 281657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PNM has a magic header! < 1339823122 463993 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Magic number is reasonable for this. < 1339823127 31604 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I know. < 1339823133 389590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely zzo38's format will catch on, but I think i have some minimal responsibility to try to stop this madness < 1339823139 248389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No of course I will not store them on punched cards; the header is small compared to the audio itself which would be already too large to store on punched cards < 1339823152 693698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't you think the world would be less interesting without zzo38's designs in them < 1339823153 463260 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you really have no sense of irony do you < 1339823158 133385 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's true < 1339823162 113248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore stop < 1339823168 948675 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i joined this channel largely to argue with crackpots < 1339823173 272528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, you should have free of speech to say what you like and argue what you like, whether some people agree/disagree < 1339823198 107258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i think there is only one active crackpot in the channel < 1339823201 673088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free as in free of speech. < 1339823208 354457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it: Me? < 1339823214 897207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacrackpot < 1339823218 635622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idle crackpot < 1339823225 114659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Good point. < 1339823235 993735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway instead of arguing with zzo38 implement @ for me < 1339823244 397515 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense that esoteric languages would attract the "zomg your program uses 1 MB of RAM" people < 1339823256 900372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend for one thing the format to be use as is pipe from one program to another if some header information is still needed (such as sample rate and so on); not to store in a file, although it still can be stored in a file if wanted < 1339823260 486607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Since when is this channel about esoteric languages? < 1339823274 606399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes me really super irrationally angry when this wanking over unrealistic size constraints crosses over into practical non-esoteric designs < 1339823293 526240 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: magic number and header size are still important there < 1339823296 691531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you ever not annoyed at something < 1339823306 67235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, header size preserves compatibility between versions of the format < 1339823307 709305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether elliott has me on /ignore again. < 1339823317 122172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1339823322 348188 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put another way, are you certain you've just now thought of every field you will ever want < 1339823353 119058 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, usefulness of my argument aside < 1339823359 67203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do other people agree with what i'm saying < 1339823360 795678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i crazy < 1339823377 258617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would personally design it the way you suggest < 1339823378 397610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can I choose both? < 1339823384 892227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think zzo38 is under any particular obligation to < 1339823388 819733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he can design whatever format he wants < 1339823390 491406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't use it though < 1339823392 872339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the fields I have I think are not even needed < 1339823407 711320 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i don't think zzo38 is under any "obligation" either < 1339823415 182037 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is free to design a bad format if they like < 1339823426 150024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it's pointless arguing with someone who clearly has a different value system for these goals than you here < 1339823430 434439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this started with the question < 1339823432 916020 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is this good? < 1339823436 872075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my answer is < 1339823437 754534 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1339823441 473504 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's that < 1339823447 857715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1339823480 489559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be three bytes for indicating number of channels (rather than enumeration) and signed/unsigned and endian and number of bits and then one more for video synchronization number or track number. < 1339823514 801670 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the going gets tough, you don't want a criminal lawyer, you want a *criminal* laywer, know what I'm saying?" < 1339823530 741299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is not meant to change < 1339823534 964231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why haven't you coded any @ yet < 1339823546 492179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being a jerk < 1339823550 380482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rude to not code @ < 1339823663 846146 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sometimes, I do get offended at programs using 1 MiB of RAM. < 1339823676 996740 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... When that's actually only doable via bad code. < 1339823689 158158 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/cat shouldn't use 1 MiB. < 1339823690 51941 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339823713 228398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it actually? < 1339823716 809948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree it shouldn't require that much RAM to run < 1339823761 417878 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I doubt it. < 1339823775 857813 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just using it as an example of something that would be bloated if it were using that much. < 1339823809 570972 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mightn't cat have a big buffer? < 1339823842 184942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat on Linux can probably just use something like splice, can't it? < 1339823844 212272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this way better: Address 0x00 = magic number; Address 0x01 = four bits for number of channels (1 to 16), four bits for number of bits (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ..., 32768); Address 0x02 = one bit for endian, one bit for signed/unsigned, rest unused should be set to zero; Address 0x03 = track number or video synchronization number; Address 0x04 to 0x07 = sample rate in decihertz. Is this way better? Now it has magic number < 1339823876 70904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Doesn't splice only work between files? < 1339823895 325274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it? < 1339823915 400243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works stupidly/. < 1339823918 846779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, write @. < 1339823933 76436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :splice() moves data between two file descriptors without copying between kernel address space and user address space. It transfers up to len bytes of data from the file descriptor fd_in to the file descriptor fd_out, where one of the descriptors must refer to a pipe. < 1339823958 110699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want extensions for new version, make the high six bits at address 0x02 to be the number of additional four-byte pieces of heading. < 1339823960 591489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, I knew it was stupid somehow. < 1339824119 246133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this way better now? < 1339824360 174004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think magic number really is not needed. Let's address 0x00 = track number or video synchronization number; address 0x01 = four bits for number of channels (1 to 16), four bits for number of bits (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ..., 32768); Address 0x02 = one bit for endian, one bit for signed/unsigned, rest unused should be set to zero (reserved for future use); address 0x03 = additional header (after sample rate) < 1339824403 520594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think it is better. < 1339824587 940100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can have more than six channels < 1339824677 249526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why are you worrying about the number of header bits when you'll be sending an uncompressed audio stream over the pipe? < 1339824824 349572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just want to omit redundancy < 1339824930 687909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ⟿ < 1339824933 151664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that great? < 1339825025 929747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data can now be from 1 to 16 channels with from 1 to 32768 bits for the data, and there is still some space left over for future expansion < 1339825127 364035 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're worried about bits in the header. < 1339825127 551760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice arrow bro < 1339825132 553465 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trillions of them. < 1339825300 427131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the sample rate is set to zero then it means that there is no setting for the sample rate < 1339825997 949008 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1339839881 333973 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339839883 590841 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339839883 994377 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1339839885 457360 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339839885 767939 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1339839885 965394 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339839888 191445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sample audio data compression format is, as far as I know, not really documented anywhere. But if you're writing files, you can just opt to not use it; there's a flag in the sample header that says compressed/not. (I've written my decompression code -- because real Impulse Tracker files *do* use it -- based on the code in libmikmod.) < 1339839986 347684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen tat yes, you can use uncompressed samples. And I am doing writing; I am trying to make "ITMCK", like "PPMCK" and "XPMCK" and so on but for .IT output < 1339840332 265384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose if the user tells it to load a "IMPS" sample file, it can simply load that and not worry about compression) < 1339840758 425582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't the volume/panning column support tremolo? < 1339840927 879378 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339841039 731955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a question probably only whoever wrote it can answer. (It does have those effects for the effect column.) < 1339841131 880366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's even some unused values for the volume/panning column it could use.) < 1339841372 366266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did see that < 1339841586 897690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339841587 347924 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339841587 540813 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339841772 22997 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339842079 676520 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339842198 624616 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339842351 505322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339843441 911968 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339844726 864785 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A9BF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339844754 628798 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A9BF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339845008 594174 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A9BF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339845213 151441 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339845412 706589 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339846002 303124 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339846017 870240 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339846772 895906 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339847058 589539 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1339847063 266861 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339848194 381196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339848990 471716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to calculate what tone-portamento speed is required for a specified note in a specified number of frames? < 1339849775 976591 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339849776 202737 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339849776 202922 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339849814 896962 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339851880 638168 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1339857444 616002 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339857446 312795 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339857446 772114 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1339857447 635104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1339857448 739322 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339857449 182438 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1339857449 255227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339857878 277027 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs366134.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339858307 778220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back codu < 1339858493 882426 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339858631 162960 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs366134.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339858901 853350 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339860825 680032 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339860852 849890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339861518 380891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339861617 842431 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339861882 710609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339862597 304408 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339863254 863615 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339863371 866746 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339863455 517143 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339863969 392856 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339864079 310843 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1339864094 7151 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :Guest24216 < 1339864118 815982 :constant!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1339864732 923069 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339865014 864395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339865015 262840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339865015 615952 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339865015 793370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339865018 169677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1339865041 257899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62) oohhh ha heh and what are your other characteristics? oh, many, madbrain but it's hardly worth it to go on with listing that list here < 1339865083 315089 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :569) Phantom_Hoover: Sort of a monadic human centipede. < 1339865083 517869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825) i just whacked it whacking is fine < 1339865083 663751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82) bi is like sqrt(2)/2 * straight + i * sqrt(2)/2 * gay < 1339865083 663933 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :403) i never meta turing. he died before i was born. < 1339865134 171731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thems some high quality quotes < 1339865145 476987 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339865555 747459 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339865769 635211 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339865891 871971 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339866472 797140 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339866566 915460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-161.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339866730 380716 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-103.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339867524 634752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a good selection. < 1339867549 278333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :62's weak. < 1339867756 172990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like 569 a lot but thats probably because i'm not such a big haskell fan < 1339867772 904036 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's got substance, even if i can't appreciate that substance < 1339867888 298398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 is weaker < 1339867893 250275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :825 is kind of lame too < 1339867899 11051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :569 could use more context < 1339867901 905331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 403 is ok < 1339868023 255233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm getting more used to the idea i am actually mentally ill < 1339868190 38940 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and back to the topic < 1339868226 906136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i just got 403 < 1339868237 424343 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a mentally pill for your mentally ill and you mentally get better will, i'm sure < 1339868254 329907 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what u ppl up to < 1339868292 41713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at a social happening, and it's weird. < 1339868317 906385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there food? < 1339868323 940072 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happening? < 1339868341 369365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spontaneousish thing. < 1339868358 250263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "after-party" of sorts. You know, that sort of thing. < 1339868366 774257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1339868386 290534 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just sitting home on irc and programming < 1339868388 221359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to prefer the food to the drink < 1339868389 864943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339868394 278863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im vamire < 1339868399 276370 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339868404 863495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd, I'm alive < 1339868407 213412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339868505 137277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those mini spinach quiche finger foods < 1339868517 642639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, it's tangentially related to this "ALT" thing that I've mentioned.) < 1339868524 685887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiche isn't finger food < 1339868555 6663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an image equivalent of @google? < 1339868563 65916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly question i guess < 1339868564 350776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1339868580 806445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google image hat < 1339868582 597227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imagehat.com/ < 1339868582 809181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: imagehat studio - a web design company just outside of madison, wisconsin < 1339868585 398966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww < 1339868619 900580 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://metroespresso.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Salmon-and-Leek-Mini-Quiche.jpg < 1339868653 808477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i have in mind approximately < 1339868674 593478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not only that < 1339868706 762449 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go exchange money for goods < 1339868723 793773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gourmetdelish.com.au/images/Bacon%20and%20Egg%20Finger%20food.jpg < 1339868861 464191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every day spent hungry, tired, lost, depressed.. may there be a day of delighting in finger foods < 1339869321 870113 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339869963 138549 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger foods are great < 1339870291 211828 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339870389 297584 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131586.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339870696 716749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339870957 164896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM seems to be writing about half of the comments on a postcard these days. < 1339871007 419523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/197.html explains how he has so much time, i think < 1339871025 657609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even he uses it all up) < 1339871029 548272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even if < 1339871099 499295 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339871441 529027 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339871839 860720 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339872208 825672 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339872251 106808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339872283 781711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhelo < 1339872284 255874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 15 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339872329 77883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:45:19 Plugin `tell' failed with: thread killed < 1339872336 571327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular guy monqy < 1339872347 873590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339872355 79309 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339872622 825299 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only wimps use tape backup; real men just upload their important stuff on ftp and let rest of the world mirror it" --Linus Torvalds < 1339872717 701109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where wimps == people with no friends < 1339872783 249409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of physical media backup work best? < 1339872795 571614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stone slab < 1339872803 915229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expensive and slow, though < 1339872807 277674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fireproof! < 1339872885 15739 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Depends on your needs. I’ve backed up some files as QR code on paper with a laser printer. < 1339872885 867182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clay is also fireproof, i think < 1339872889 967151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access to a fireproof safe. < 1339872907 130330 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Currently, several hard drives. < 1339872917 22350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fire actually makes it _more_ long-lived) < 1339872948 979495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I guess you could glaze in QR codes. :) < 1339872952 947854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: All of my data will probably not even fill one hard drive < 1339872967 438733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The "several" bit is for redundancy. < 1339872981 641616 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put a “0.� in front of the number representing your entire data and put a mark at that exact point on a wooden plank. < 1339872999 805359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many are needed for good enough redundancy? < 1339873048 593155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think that is impossible; no tools are exact enough, the wood can rot, and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle also gets in the way. < 1339873065 52976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lim_{redundancy→good} numDisks = ∞ < 1339873073 522490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or you would need big wood < 1339873080 87778 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OH, REALLY? < 1339873152 496267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think so. < 1339873173 567930 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd people." < 1339873675 842784 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131586.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120601045813] > 1339921581 708605 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921584 456750 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921585 189966 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1339921585 826658 JOIN :#esoteric > 1339921586 341830 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921586 721466 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921587 405544 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1339921588 953963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921697 623290 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339921993 173401 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is desperately wrong X_X < 1339922007 168071 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't easily figure it out or fix it 'til I'm back in the States. < 1339922293 84048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think I've got a cold < 1339922297 600808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could that be it? < 1339922305 405020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339922309 829005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get off my Internet, I'll get sick. < 1339922317 917024 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Great Firewall is not enough to block your germs. < 1339922339 235158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's okay < 1339922342 326440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cold is a virus < 1339922417 795714 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "germ" subsumes viruses X_X < 1339922450 839895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always assume germ was an alternative to bacteria < 1339922452 493172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339922460 549537 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you "assume" wrong. < 1339922467 384185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I do < 1339922480 317849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "germ" applies to any small, disease-causing entity, be it a virus, bacteria, fungus, parasite or otherwise. < 1339922481 590190 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you learn stuff all the time < 1339922823 627665 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339922833 524760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :joo < 1339922842 277873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about heavy metal atoms < 1339922905 685063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm ... actually, I'd say it's probably debatable whether it does or does not. But typically it's only used for things at least as "alive" as viruses. < 1339924190 72424 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gameplox.com/2012/06/16/quoting-the-internet-playing-games-after-age-20-is-not-normal/ < 1339924265 604424 :derdon!~derdon@93.232.189.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339924313 908543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would still like to point out that sitting alone in your room and watching movies, no matter what the scope of the matter, call it addiction or whatnot, is not normal for a man in his 20s. < 1339924383 888728 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would still like to point out that sitting alone in your room and reading books, no matter what the scope of the matter, call it addiction or whatnot, is not normal for a man in his 20s. < 1339924462 846065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339924543 568354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would still like to point out that sitting alone in your room and plotting to kill everyone, no matter what the scope of the matter, call it addiction or whatnot, is perfectly normal for a man in his 20s. < 1339924550 2614 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she saying more generally that it's not normal to enjoy being alone? < 1339924652 726393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339924676 98775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely communicate online more than face-to-face, but then again, I'm not really that normal < 1339924728 528640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1339925056 931503 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty normal though < 1339925338 318428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imgur.com/yQN9j remember him? < 1339925594 258367 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if when books got popular, people criticized them for replacing looking at real actors with real friends with sitting alone in a room and looking at symbols. < 1339925596 158669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339925599 691802 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crock of shit < 1339925615 895798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :video games are like a $65 billion a year global industry < 1339925617 542528 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps at some point people realize video games are way closer to chilling with your buddies than reading. < 1339925623 451709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose all that money comes from teenagers and serial killers? < 1339925630 505726 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, they were criticised for destroying memory < 1339925632 582629 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and teenager serial killers < 1339925644 321848 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention serial teenager killers < 1339925648 614402 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for destroying memory? < 1339925660 605514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, as opposed to oral tradition < 1339925667 69656 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh books. < 1339925673 366867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: $65 billion a year? Isn't Farmville about half of that? < 1339925674 109537 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant video games < 1339925678 111275 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1339925679 664959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1339925744 792923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zynga reported $311.2 million revenue in Q4 2011 < 1339925763 94582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if when books got popular, people criticized them for replacing looking at real actors with real friends with sitting alone in a room and looking at symbols. < 1339925785 566701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the Greeks said that writing would make everyone stop being able to remember things. < 1339925928 147238 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i'm referring to the social aspect, memory doesn't have much to do with serial killers. < 1339925961 830332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I'm not really sure when books got popular as a form of entertainment. < 1339926027 188352 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if when marbles became popular, people criticized how they brewed competition and unfriendliness, unlike pushing a hoop with a stick down a dirt road. < 1339926064 33811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait are we discussing that Breivik thing? < 1339926064 951638 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit off-topic < 1339926067 255561 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339926090 725976 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, apparently it was a shit translation. < 1339926107 958049 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just making stupid jokes *shrugs* < 1339926112 861912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what they were saying was more like "no, Anders, sitting alone in your room playing games does not prove you're not crazy". < 1339926150 666406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1339926154 713815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it there < 1339926158 546352 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pushing a hoop with a stick down a dirt road is trivial, and lets your brain be lazy. < 1339926161 664409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good. < 1339926167 316300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 5:45PM. I'mma go get food soon. < 1339926183 739905 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Is it? I actually have no idea how much skill is involved. Would depend on the exact shape of the hoop, I suppose. < 1339926186 284947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats exactly 12 hours away < 1339926195 91891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, it is in the opposite timezone of EST. < 1339926197 234934 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: we have discussed this before < 1339926210 215286 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. Yes we have. But I don't remember things 8-D < 1339926226 142525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was logreading from last february < 1339926228 140727 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is something a 20 plus male can do instantly. < 1339926236 938376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no it fucking isn't. < 1339926252 952503 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how dirty a road are we talking < 1339926264 824612 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in school we got shown all these antique toys so we could see how miserable past children are and those things are impossible to keep upright. < 1339926266 220614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is the hoop-and-stick champion of Scotland. < 1339926279 346413 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that 'are' should be 'were'. < 1339926279 720324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Naw, modern children are just stupid is all. < 1339926281 992856 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are? wtf < 1339926290 181406 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall quite the opposit < 1339926292 48453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1339926300 998330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading about all the ridiculous ideas we had about a bfjoust scoring system before i came up with the one in the topic < 1339926308 6826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were probably using the Finnish version. < 1339926353 793993 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried stilts and they were trivial with any kind of grip though, right? < 1339926399 960198 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339926422 986235 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've tried stilts, with or without a grip. < 1339926423 145880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obtw did you bring codu back up Gregor < 1339926446 639177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jacks is the dumbest game ever, though. < 1339926458 480747 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't tried stilts? < 1339926462 488537 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck :D < 1339926465 208151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah he did < 1339926466 876047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1339926483 833652 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah jacks is kind of boring < 1339926519 58502 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the game with the ball and the weird little murder tools? < 1339926592 801300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me think of that firefly episode < 1339926604 305356 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine wants to start playing go < 1339926612 804251 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good? < 1339926629 972477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some think so < 1339926661 450807 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess is a horrible game, and i'm not sure i ever want to play it again < 1339926688 315935 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just kept wondering how I could upgrade my pawns to have a rocket launcher. < 1339926694 910679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is alright < 1339926700 771777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you need to talk to kallisti for that < 1339926728 259777 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: chess is? < 1339926748 16436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339926768 375116 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was my point, i wonder if it's very likely that go is more fun. < 1339926781 295439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339926784 398349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less < 1339926792 927494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe consider arimaa < 1339926815 538606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider continuous chess < 1339926818 522284 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks even more complicated than chess < 1339926821 346036 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :arimaa i mean < 1339926826 17679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339926833 498723 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go looks simpler < 1339926837 992361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isnt < 1339926844 409823 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339926848 807120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :othello is simpler < 1339926851 687152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :play that < 1339926858 741889 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :othello is nice < 1339926882 244575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :play chess halo < 1339926925 556232 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, will consider chess halo < 1339926951 269435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: doesn't go have like one rule < 1339926953 378947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to play on a tabletop < 1339926961 808162 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :put down shit and remove surrounded stuffs. < 1339926973 327710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes but also a lot of traditions < 1339926983 787375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1339926984 506078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heuristics < 1339926989 418352 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not part of the rules < 1339927000 945093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stuff you have to know to play < 1339927009 584568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the traditions are arguably part of the rules < 1339927024 844591 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's not part of the rules, i have nothing against learning theorems, it's complicated axioms i despise. < 1339927031 959386 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339927033 175588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, go is simple to describe, impossible to play well < 1339927074 476934 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like the integers < 1339927144 671686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: a -> Ord a => a -> Ordering; f = compare in f 1 2 < 1339927145 946544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Classes.Ord a) from the context () < 1339927146 127484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a ... < 1339927149 200089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: a -> Ord a => a -> Ordering; f x y = compare x y in f 1 2 < 1339927150 501252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1339927209 586410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks... < 1339927214 121898 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1339927570 211707 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339928848 990395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do that? < 1339928855 960211 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339928900 571290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a GHC bug. < 1339928947 730380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can but please never, ever do so. < 1339928995 379718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339929018 31934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to do that, but don't < 1339929022 910080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is wrong < 1339929028 718170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will be fixed eventually < 1339929106 475738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part are you talking about? < 1339929113 352047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both lines I gave should behave like the second one. < 1339929116 708662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1339929129 728094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about the Ord a in the middle < 1339929135 395188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's valid. < 1339929139 878204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1339930355 325330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or is #haskell way worse than it used to be? < 1339930479 897329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Civilisation is a Shepard tone < 1339930501 278275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constantly seeming to decline, while remaining about the same < 1339930585 583347 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, it's like the tri-tone paradox < 1339930616 90680 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that in different points of view, it appears to be either ascending or descending < 1339930622 889659 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-103.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339930710 824003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : obtw did you bring codu back up Gregor // If I'm online, Codu is up. < 1339930720 204744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, monqy tswett MAJOR UPDATE < 1339930724 958893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES < 1339930785 329456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339930924 194019 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1339931354 613839 :derdon!~derdon@93.232.189.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339931381 377759 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BD93.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339931655 402907 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BD93.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339931858 900776 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339931866 855869 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1339931903 872666 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339931968 652934 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339932419 519498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how rm can take up 100% CPU for substantial amounts of time. < 1339932447 484484 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deleting is hard < 1339932497 224544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y delete 4? < 1339932525 432451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< brainfart < 1339932571 883243 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres what i think < 1339932601 914612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the majority of data written to harddisks is largely unimportant < 1339932701 669770 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit. < 1339932714 638835 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< more brain fart < 1339933250 330640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding: I would still like to point out that sitting alone in your room and X, no matter what the scope of the matter, call it addiction or whatnot, is Y for a man in his 20s. < 1339933323 907272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually such issues will dominate the world.. just as oil rose to signifigance < 1339933364 699887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's still a relatively niche geek topic today, but tomorrow, we will realize it's a systemic crisis < 1339933444 565164 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339933527 100082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/BjYV < 1339933538 417824 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 63.4 < 1339933573 253905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only slight improvement yes, but adds one more + to its row < 1339933606 39944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seinfeld 2012: the web surfers < 1339933715 546660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ (link down, see http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D for now) | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339933746 24806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339933762 318718 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/LawlabeeTheWallaby/posts/3487379977305 // Latest, and possibly final, travel log entry! < 1339933976 447721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1339933977 539801 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-213.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339933982 619639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get an erhu next time < 1339933989 509016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really a lovely instrument < 1339933995 253412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get mine out < 1339934214 145210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the kazoo, the harmonica, the didgeridoo, the bagpipes, the ocarina (because of zelda), the piccolo (because of dragon ball), the organ, and the theremin < 1339934223 594284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what a kazoo is though < 1339934270 82871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339934286 612037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does saying I sold more than 1,674 copies of a script in Second Life look good on a resume? < 1339934289 855479 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that plastic wind instrument made famous by the world cup < 1339934337 713044 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vuvuzela < 1339934349 138107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the one < 1339934361 160913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're pretty well obsessed with shitty instruments then. < 1339934528 452104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339934532 709201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-144-142.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339934846 138976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1339934968 524273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would PSOX look terrible on a resume? < 1339935001 595957 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-196.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339935351 880928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*25>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*21[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339935354 538141 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.2 < 1339935359 600187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339935367 910475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*25>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339935370 655266 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.0 < 1339935386 346301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*25>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*40[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339935389 90641 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.6 < 1339935408 772926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935411 529760 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.9 < 1339935430 298898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-][+][-]++)*28 < 1339935432 915433 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.6 < 1339935443 8883 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339935445 728530 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.1 < 1339935452 434068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935455 244761 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.9 < 1339935541 57290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*10>)%17}[-]](+)*40>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935543 747398 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.9 < 1339935626 281662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%4}[-]](+)*10>)%17(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935628 947028 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.2 < 1339935634 922137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%4}[-]](+)*10>)%17(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935637 622188 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.0 < 1339935650 100774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*30>)%4}[-]](+)*10>)%17(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935652 866730 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.1 < 1339935661 193955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*30>)%4}[-]](+)*20>)%17(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935663 784388 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.1 < 1339935686 760043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*30>)%7}[-]](+)*5>)%14(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935689 310965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.9 < 1339935922 968137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*20>)%17}[-]](+)*5>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935925 686960 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.9 < 1339935932 138651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*5>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935934 680222 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.6 < 1339935946 554162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*15>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]+)*28 < 1339935949 149389 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.9 < 1339935963 147567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*15>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935965 807833 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.7 < 1339935984 962032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*20>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339935987 563291 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.9 < 1339936302 959182 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your nanopoke is looking less nano by the instant. < 1339936400 387298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i cant use "micropoke" because you did that first < 1339936456 871191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339936461 164879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339936472 305260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<)*5(<[{(<[{}--[-]](+)*40>)%17}--[-]](+)*20>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339936474 877691 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.8 < 1339936482 533906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how many ties it forces < 1339936482 885825 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1339936517 275355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time itidus21 < 1339936517 817763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for itidus21 is Sun Jun 17 22:33:50 < 1339936530 7899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, buy a clock? < 1339936534 22794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well none of these variations is getting it a score high enough to stay on the hill < 1339936535 472771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity: bfjoust spectator < 1339936543 140579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a pretty cool idea < 1339936659 599855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_Gregor_micropoke (>)*9([ (<)*8(+)*85<(-)*85(>)*9 ([-]>)*21 ]>)*21 < 1339936662 330532 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_Gregor_micropoke: 18.7 < 1339936665 365617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339936691 328171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339936842 568380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<)*5(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*20>)%4(++++>)*5(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339936845 119075 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.4 < 1339936876 279653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<)*7(<[{(<[{}[-]](+)*40>)%17}[-]](+)*20>)%4(++++>)*7(>(+)*30[-][+][-])*21][-]++)*28 < 1339936879 90002 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.7 < 1339936944 846240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339937013 862097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*5>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*40[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339937016 458339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.6 < 1339937028 547886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<)*5(<[{}[-]](+)*5>)%21(++++>)*5(>(+)*40[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339937031 121740 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 10.6 < 1339937038 607327 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide [-] < 1339937042 410410 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_suicide: 12.7 < 1339937046 549882 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339937051 439768 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1339937053 933175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very good suicide < 1339937060 892724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide [-.] < 1339937061 453534 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than your nanopoke ;) < 1339937064 594981 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_suicide: 13.0 < 1339937072 927213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicide should also beat zoom < 1339937088 525781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that skips decoys < 1339937098 850051 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lameomatic -*100000 < 1339937101 559945 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_lameomatic: 10.0 < 1339937105 376742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*5>)%21(>(+)*40[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339937105 924470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLID < 1339937108 131516 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 8.9 < 1339937117 120804 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide (-)*-1 < 1339937120 751361 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_suicide: 15.8 < 1339937129 367922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-1? < 1339937132 617513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do < 1339937132 777901 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide (-.)*-1 < 1339937136 389960 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_suicide: 13.3 < 1339937140 689318 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: repeat infinitely < 1339937142 124309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust awful . < 1339937143 539061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339937144 700148 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_awful: 10.0 < 1339937153 682531 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1339937154 266963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(>[(<[{}[-]](+)*5>)%21+++++[>](>(+)*40[-][+][-])*21]++)*28 < 1339937156 895681 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 4.3 < 1339937162 848170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339937175 326940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust terrible (>)*-1 < 1339937177 975013 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Vorpal_terrible: 0.0 < 1339937180 472113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339937189 381483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat you all, the lowest score < 1339937198 350742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust awful2 < < 1339937201 79889 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_awful2: 0.0 < 1339937205 489641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same score < 1339937209 252301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter program < 1339937211 702119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1339937244 268364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937247 24161 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 17.5 < 1339937275 884435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as good as micropoke < 1339937303 342101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[[++++++++++++++++]])*-1 < 1339937306 23735 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 15.9 < 1339937306 356707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you mean nanopoke? < 1339937312 790848 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>[+++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937315 376178 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_sitandspin: 14.5 < 1339937319 909126 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937322 529250 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_sitandspin: 17.5 < 1339937326 78516 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>[+++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937328 693610 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_sitandspin: 11.2 < 1339937335 864908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>+[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937338 578870 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 2.1 < 1339937341 955454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339937349 622464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937352 248992 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 15.9 < 1339937355 191458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937357 803917 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 15.9 < 1339937368 518726 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*8(>[+++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937371 283023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_sitandspin: 11.4 < 1339937375 689273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[++++++++++++++++])*-1 < 1339937375 849371 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339937378 432902 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 15.9 < 1339937398 760824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[++])*-1 < 1339937401 408111 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 15.7 < 1339937405 877276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[+++])*-1 < 1339937408 520065 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 17.3 < 1339937438 208828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[+++](+)*5)*-1 < 1339937440 882598 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 10.3 < 1339937518 345558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sitandspin (>)*9(>[+++])*-1 < 1339937521 69093 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_sitandspin: 17.3 < 1339937749 541347 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339938491 821392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(-)*5(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<((+)*5[<{}])%28(+)*20[>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938494 620308 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 11.6 < 1339938542 854624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >(-)*3(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<((+)*3[<{}])%28(+)*20[>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938545 472341 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 14.8 < 1339938588 936180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*10>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938591 628197 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 0.0 < 1339938654 773643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*10>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938657 428694 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 12.9 < 1339938672 905881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >--(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(++[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*10>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938675 554256 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 11.3 < 1339938688 296675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*5>]>(>[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938690 967837 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 14.2 < 1339938848 921112 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust im_not_very_good_at_this >(-)*3>(+)*5>(-)*7>(-)*11>(+)*13>(+)*13>(-)*17>(-)*23[>[-.]] < 1339938851 487781 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_im_not_very_good_at_this: 0.2 < 1339938881 378791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*5>](+)*5>(>(+)*40[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938883 945729 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 9.4 < 1339938892 81049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*5>](+)*5>(>(+)*9[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938894 656691 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 12.7 < 1339938904 989657 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust CHAAAAAAARGE (>)*100 < 1339938907 648486 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_CHAAAAAAARGE: 0.0 < 1339938912 358261 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339938912 607844 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssssssss < 1339938927 778084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>)*5(>[(<)*3(+)*15<<(+[<{}])%28(+)*20[(+)*5>](+)*5>(>(+)*9[-][+][-])*28])*28 < 1339938930 499816 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 14.7 < 1339938953 919369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could Taneb_im_not_very_good_at_this be the worst serious BFJoust program ever? < 1339939050 973414 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i_dont_even --[-] < 1339939054 757458 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lumpio-_i_dont_even: 12.7 < 1339939058 862415 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1339939060 865662 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's just your terminal loop that's broken < 1339939137 813039 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how can your program suck so hard? < 1339939173 834681 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust total_failure .*20< < 1339939176 479805 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_total_failure: 0.0 < 1339939188 455636 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust total_failure .*60< < 1339939191 142025 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_total_failure: 0.0 < 1339939199 780270 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust total_failure .*10000< < 1339939202 411480 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_total_failure: 0.0 < 1339939205 39034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1339939231 52709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust im_not_very_good_at_this >(-)*3>(+)*5>(-)*7>(-)*11>(+)*13>(+)*17>(-)*19>(-)*23(>[-.])*100 < 1339939233 732173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_im_not_very_good_at_this: 16.0 < 1339939255 100296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that made the hill < 1339939317 647295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1339939536 854580 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1339940233 50653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339940316 524421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-(>)*5(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28(-)*40>(-)*40>(-)*40(>-[(>)*4(>[(+)*30[-]][+][-])*27](+)*30)*27])*28 < 1339940319 116064 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 33.5 < 1339940328 170850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes < 1339940385 180491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nanopoke is my answer to ffspg. it uses the same strategy...but it's a one-liner < 1339940433 513675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the poke/breadcrumb part anyway. it doesnt do that crazy careless clear stuff.) < 1339940453 545823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust headless_chicken (><)*50000 < 1339940456 244059 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_headless_chicken: 12.5 < 1339940801 923169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh (-)*127 < 1339940804 673678 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 14.2 < 1339940847 576230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh (>+>-)*5(-)*127 < 1339940850 348727 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 0.1 < 1339940880 321616 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on. that is even worse than Taneb_im_not_very_good_at_this < 1339940888 1234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is < 1339940898 708187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_I_have_no_idea_how_the_fuck_this_works ;) < 1339940975 645589 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh_not_retarded (>+>-)*5([-.]>) < 1339940978 204437 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_muh_not_retarded: 0.0 < 1339940986 952190 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it. < 1339940993 507306 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh_not_retarded (>+>-)*5([-.]) < 1339940996 160504 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_muh_not_retarded: 0.0 < 1339941003 281082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... < 1339941026 189143 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh_not_retarded (>+>-)*5([-.]>)*-1 < 1339941028 908979 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_muh_not_retarded: 10.7 < 1339941147 881829 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >-->(-)*3(>)*6(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(++[<{}])%28<(+)*30>(-)*40>(-)*40>(-)*40(>--[(>)*4(>[(+)*30[-]][+][-])*27](+)*30)*27]++)*28 < 1339941150 611691 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 29.5 < 1339941156 243930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1339941182 335366 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good compared to older ones < 1339941186 397781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh +[] < 1339941189 121638 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 10.2 < 1339941201 975798 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339941214 722221 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele + < 1339941217 321123 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 10.2 < 1339941221 941402 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele +. < 1339941224 539857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 10.2 < 1339941231 504915 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele +.--. < 1339941234 203364 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 10.2 < 1339941242 498332 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele +..--.. < 1339941245 288971 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 10.2 < 1339941250 251064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1339941266 110048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trailing '.'s are indeed the best, given that running off the end of the program does the same thing as '.'. < 1339941291 651365 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1339941295 227220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1339941299 608659 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh >+[<+>] < 1339941302 253018 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 11.6 < 1339941387 322689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_simplest_thing (>)*9([-.]>)*21 < 1339941389 845762 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_the_simplest_thing: 22.7 < 1339941397 420260 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*20 < 1339941400 89913 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 17.1 < 1339941424 926716 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*9([-]>)*20 < 1339941427 539532 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 14.5 < 1339941447 486932 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*9>([-]>)*11 < 1339941450 177023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 1.6 < 1339941454 207798 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*9>([-]>)*12 < 1339941456 765414 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 2.4 < 1339941458 268318 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*12 < 1339941460 933834 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 3.6 < 1339941462 483724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*11 < 1339941465 217746 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 3.0 < 1339941466 831659 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*20 < 1339941469 507219 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 17.1 < 1339941471 956399 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1339941477 621120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*19 < 1339941480 414914 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.1 < 1339941487 610975 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*21 < 1339941490 193260 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 19.4 < 1339941493 188981 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*22 < 1339941495 775871 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 19.7 < 1339941497 463707 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*23 < 1339941500 85662 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 19.7 < 1339941501 844896 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*24 < 1339941504 511896 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 19.7 < 1339941507 424361 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>+)*8>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941510 82198 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 19.7 < 1339941535 622614 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>>+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941538 373983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.3 < 1339941546 150518 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941549 200720 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 20.2 < 1339941566 257580 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>-([-]>)*-1 < 1339941569 874304 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 6.7 < 1339941573 778389 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941576 435545 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 20.2 < 1339941578 944269 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-.]>)*-1 < 1339941581 611646 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.7 < 1339941608 850679 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-]>)*10([-.]>)*-1 < 1339941611 568607 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.8 < 1339941616 396861 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941618 940716 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 20.2 < 1339941621 992693 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>-->+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941624 747040 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 18.5 < 1339941627 343599 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>->+)*4>([-]>)*-1 < 1339941630 22893 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 20.2 < 1339941647 229891 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'll stop botspamming for a moment < 1339941725 192608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1339941733 753050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does work in a query, too. < 1339941746 39465 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. good to know < 1339941771 842584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course the hill + code are available for local testing, for that matter, but that involves more fiddling.) < 1339941794 515572 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey, do you know if there are any full body portraits of you floating around on top of the Internet? < 1339941816 295209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1339941824 743188 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the most terrifying question anyone has ever asked. < 1339941825 416372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Clothing optional, I presume. < 1339941831 273401 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm just going to pretend I never heard it. < 1339941835 243361 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. why isn't my program in the hill? < 1339941850 327336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh (>)*9[[-]>] < 1339941852 992552 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 10.5 < 1339941882 592373 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind. it is there! < 1339941928 125118 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest I've found is http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobiaswrigstad/3715548371/. But that's JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. < 1339941938 901343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you saw the UPDATE, right? < 1339941942 658602 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep. < 1339941943 520625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh (>)*4(+)*200[[-]>] < 1339941947 263247 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh: 0.8 < 1339941967 124033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna stick with CoreWars :) < 1339941990 800518 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the closest I've found is http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobiaswrigstad/3715548371/ + http://codu.org/chromates.jpg (NSFPWAE). Still NOT GOOD ENOUGH. < 1339941993 396593 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or read bfjouds < 1339942001 6680 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bfjoust strategies < 1339942012 954601 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should also read it :P) < 1339942027 585708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*70<(-)*70>(>-[(>)*4(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*9[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*30)*27]++)*25 < 1339942030 272574 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 12.4 < 1339942035 345749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadface < 1339942036 357171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What does "NSFPWAE" stand for? < 1339942049 313353 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not safe for people who are eating. < 1339942069 625863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSFWHOA < 1339942091 260742 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just go with NSFP < 1339942096 241741 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1339942109 233112 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. I'm not currently eating, and I find the photo perfectly lookable. < 1339942113 343976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(>)*4(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*30)*27]++)*25 < 1339942116 85112 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 18.7 < 1339942122 11002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339942143 866066 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think I'll resort to drawing this guy instead: http://marriageministries.net/images/Gardner%20full%20length.jpg < 1339942163 614257 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will become Deviantart's most accomplished Tim Alan Gardner portraitist. < 1339942252 262959 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339942301 165749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1047472701148&l=71244343ce < 1339942302 694861 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here ya go < 1339942304 967209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sick, sick fuck. < 1339942332 336103 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh yes. YES. < 1339942345 850803 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh... mmmm... < 1339942368 95158 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This cookie is DELICIOUS. < 1339942487 33648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*27]++)*25 < 1339942489 700968 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 35.3 < 1339942547 143712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scores well < 1339942553 872493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it beats space_elevator >_> < 1339942578 362340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND dreadnought < 1339942601 335340 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the cookie's not that great. But I am deriving the most profound pleasure from this photograph. < 1339942888 600619 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, I'm finding the Tim Gardner photo a tad more usable. < 1339942897 606855 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know what I mean. < 1339942948 687605 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The alternative title for that photo is "Gardner in Purgatory" < 1339942997 20041 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(+)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*27]++)*25 < 1339942999 644845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 37.9 < 1339943003 932720 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it is? < 1339943018 720070 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess purgatory must be, like, blank. < 1339943114 78392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa there was a fizzie here < 1339943118 373609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzieeeeeeeee < 1339943157 70367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie could you run clustering and decoy analysis on the current hill plox? < 1339943157 270145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339943171 634002 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339943494 17429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339943513 80883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello elliott. < 1339943518 205389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever do that bit of thinking? < 1339943797 781946 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339943862 71582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi david_werecat < 1339943872 682789 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339943891 587701 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you improved space elevator < 1339944068 126680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339944071 156168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1339944081 38442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339944090 359891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am waiting for your reply :P < 1339944130 119449 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying, though my laptop has been overheating, giving BSOD's and performing poorly for the past week. < 1339944212 856083 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also looks like I'll need to change the core of dreadnought if I want to gain any more gound. < 1339944337 776389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I ran the thingamajik. The page is updataded. (Though the clustering should really use other features than just the results, arguably.) < 1339944338 238053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339944360 317792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whats the page < 1339944399 301954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(+)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*27]--)*25 < 1339944402 97262 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 34.1 < 1339944410 316469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(+)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*27]++)*25 < 1339944412 876044 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 37.9 < 1339944626 801255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://zem.fi/egostats/ < 1339945150 469842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think you could cluster on the number-of-wins-per-tape-length data < 1339946423 235856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll see if I can rope ais523 into arguing my side wrt quintopia's thread. < 1339946425 73353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to. < 1339946453 608021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the other hand, everyone could just agree this is a pretty lame thing to do in most cases and preferentially treat those who innovate new strategies." This won't happen, since everyone tweaks constants anyway, and ais523 even has a program that does it for him, generically. < 1339946518 214887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ugh, you used
for paragraph breaks. < 1339948029 121682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno who Tim Gardner is but he has classy threads. < 1339949470 912357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see you've had "Linux" "Torvalds" talk at "Wave". < 1339949534 442272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP cosplay http://youtu.be/Z1TM90jWXKM < 1339949574 813656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339950014 512268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I didn't bother attending though. Some people who were there said he didn't say anything terribly interesting. < 1339950076 488819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"QWOP cosplay"..... what? ah this marks the beginning of the age of houses made of cellophane < 1339950115 502516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^poorly stolen material < 1339950376 949969 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Den of Kittens http://youtu.be/RM5hQ3Qtf-8 < 1339951107 461276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1339951666 866902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It seems like you missed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA#t=49m50s, mostly. < 1339952220 28426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is the afternoon talk, okay. There was a general-audience morning thing, too. < 1339952317 878915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to be as polite as ever. < 1339952973 5610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: bye < 1339953571 161203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339953580 419884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339953607 262979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339954736 606379 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339954851 985444 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this idea of a graphics format. Basically what you would expect from me. < 1339954931 486600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overlapping translucent polygons? < 1339954931 646775 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-144-142.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339954950 479232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i already said it before? < 1339954957 908533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1339954960 586056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I close? < 1339954962 319666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well polygons isn't the exact word < 1339955061 595267 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /enclothe/ < 1339955079 629575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1st datum = width. subsequent data are in pairs. the first datum in each pair is a colour. second datum is a 1d address in the image. < 1339955105 836907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the address in that image, there is some arbitrary 1bit stamp drawn in the given colour < 1339955118 940252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. 1bit transparency < 1339955170 648628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea is to select some clever stamp/pattern i am unsure of the best term here.. with which to draw something < 1339955288 966779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal behind it, which in practice is guaranteed to fail, is the idea that there might be some pattern of bits which when overlapped substantially can create useful images < 1339955442 941613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339955454 207824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill mock it up in a second < 1339955506 729075 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31659 < 1339955508 491786 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339955787 703208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that huh meaning < 1339955861 251541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically what i am saying, since what i said may have been too rambly http://oi48.tinypic.com/doul1d.jpg < 1339956188 856990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this pic really says it all < 1339956194 445404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why i have problems. < 1339956364 869265 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if i expanded it by allowing it to have a pallette of patterns of a fixed size, then i would be encroaching upony plagiarising many 8bit graphics systems! < 1339956418 848081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second there i thought you were doing tilings < 1339956462 999482 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an open problem whether you can do something interesting from a single tile like that < 1339956465 871837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i am, except, overlapping tiles with transparent sections < 1339956504 543202 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, for instance whether there's a tile which gives only aperiodic tilings when you fill the plane with copies of it with no overlap < 1339956567 735021 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying :D < 1339956575 55693 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my supervisor proved a few years ago that if a tile doesn't tile periodically, its convex hull is basically a rectangle, iirc < 1339956584 358678 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying? < 1339956608 50252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok .. you seem to have time to spare ill tell you which words i didnt quite fathom < 1339956608 834118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying. < 1339956615 14550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aperiodic < 1339956629 87897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand filling a plane at least! < 1339956637 966004 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mark the centers of your tiles, the pattern is not periodic < 1339956673 649441 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you can guess what it means for a subset of Z^2 to be periodic < 1339956686 979563 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give me too much credit < 1339956711 827040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. Z^2 is 2d plane? < 1339956718 88408 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, X is periodic in direction v if X+v = X, where v is a vector and X+v means adding the vector v to each vector in X < 1339956727 63301 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z^2 is the discrete 2d plane, yes < 1339956731 607561 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of pairs of integers < 1339956805 391548 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and by X a subset of Z^2 being periodic i mean it has two vectors of periodicity that point in different directions < 1339956810 544214 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so, skipping that for a second, can i assume that overlapping tiles are basically uninteresting? < 1339956823 450582 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what you can ask about those < 1339956836 208434 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps many things < 1339956837 808047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok they're a weird thing < 1339956853 648941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's best i think about non overlapping < 1339956906 514315 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-overlapping is nice < 1339956925 561084 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have more than one tile, you can get turing machines and stuff < 1339956967 37179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that the overlap is actually Z^3 in disguise < 1339956994 625893 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. iirc there's a single 3d tile which gives only aperiodic tilings. < 1339957000 740947 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this weird cockroach thing < 1339957057 119811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it depends how you do it.. < 1339957072 665565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. when overlapping the tiles.. its kind of 2.5d < 1339957148 14676 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take me too seriouslt < 1339957156 865652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking about video games < 1339957160 916723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking about math < 1339957173 598604 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else < 1339957178 50493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm.. < 1339957202 238811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so Z^2 is discrete 2d plane.. < 1339957218 482175 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a bad math day, tried to prove this thing for 3 hours and came up with a counterexample < 1339957221 954177 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1339957264 610279 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a plane alright < 1339957275 664520 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what you're saying about aperiodic tiling though < 1339957293 311190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uhmmm < 1339957311 396107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess periodic tiling in Z^2 is the whole chessboard, game of life, tictactoe thing < 1339957314 987979 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tile is said to be aperiodic if whenever you fill the plane with it, you must have put your tiles in a pattern without a period. < 1339957385 998250 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blacks of the chessboard are a periodic subset of Z^2, yes (if you continue infinitely in all directions) < 1339957498 968213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun for me to be taken so seriously. < 1339957537 871066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now explain what it is that i am trying to do. And it's mostly a thought exercize. < 1339957620 652116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using overlapping tiles in Z^2, with transparent areas, with 1 tile pattern but in different colours, to create images < 1339957703 98983 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, how about a 1x1 tile? < 1339957715 208207 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya..! that can create any image < 1339957723 636788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you understand exactly < 1339957730 38003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.. < 1339957744 900206 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, let there be n colors < 1339957766 466099 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let the rule be that when you have m overlapping tiles, the color is m mod n < 1339957773 302560 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i can draw anything you like with any tile < 1339957789 466000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the tile was a 2x2 square.. then one such square could be drawn in red at (0,0) - (1,1) .. then another drawn over that in yellow at (1,1) - (2,2) and another drawn over that in red at (2,2) - (3,3) < 1339957806 104663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh pardon the random notations < 1339957854 301366 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the rule is that i'm allowed to put tiles anywhere on the Z^2 plane, and infinitely many) < 1339957859 869770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339957870 623742 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1339957914 640129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my absurd way to describe an image < 1339957917 597466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see why it's possible to draw anything? < 1339957923 958994 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339957925 407349 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1339957934 394413 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1339957948 303910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean even a tile larger than 1x1 < 1339957960 637414 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339957961 758064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can use just the top left < 1339957963 853334 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339957967 531529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thats quite clever < 1339958021 151942 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's used all the time when working with group shifts < 1339958056 885377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with polynomials so that it looks harder. < 1339958069 99094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my motivations to think along these lines are really odd < 1339958126 230569 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they? < 1339958136 479092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it in a vain search for an underlying structure in 2d sprites < 1339958159 864820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklopode < 1339958183 744537 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :que < 1339958188 966863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339958214 18799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some way to avoid the brute force method of drawing sprites < 1339958261 625475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong, the tunes log timezone seems to be on a whole hour... < 1339958327 657420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like i began this once by trying to use rectangles instead of patterns < 1339958355 190045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339958356 71162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i grew tired of the rectangle idea. < 1339958383 684869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next idea i had was to represent an image as triangles < 1339958414 466449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rectangles are a symbol of the conformity of the bourgeoisie! < 1339958454 598614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i spelled it correctly < 1339958491 795164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i figured that i could map an entire bitmap to flatshaded non-overlapping rectangles < 1339958525 324402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when i tried to actually mock it up it all seemed awfully fiddly so i abandoned that < 1339958570 868668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that overlapping-polys genetic-programming image-approximation thing that floated around the web a while ago. Mostly because the images look kinda spiffy, not because it'd be an especially good way of doing images; it uses quite low amount of polygons to get the particular paintingy look. < 1339958576 630946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a gallery at http://rogeralsing.com/2008/12/11/genetic-gallery/ < 1339958583 988388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has links to some of the earlier posts. < 1339958623 493066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by the time i start combining rectangles and bitmaps in one image i knew i was just recreating vector art < 1339958708 729997 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, i wanted a vector art married to a precise pixel resolution < 1339958972 646631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while they may not be much use in math, i think that overlapped tiles are great for game graphics.. and underexploited < 1339959049 907511 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :NOW WITH TONS OF EDIT WARS | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339959101 679260 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339959172 297748 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yup those triangles are cool < 1339959198 901367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339959375 33543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i just realized i didn't understand what you said about m and n at the time < 1339959395 182013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't matter.. im looking over it a bit closer < 1339959497 776689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :NO EDIT WARS, I SAID | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339959573 299994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind=blown < 1339959681 371157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the important question is would you like to use a paint program based on that principle :P < 1339959696 707583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monstrosity to be sure < 1339959706 410109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : >:-) < 1339959721 394653 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally, like 24/7 < 1339959744 279252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to implement it one day < 1339960001 925929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just be the strangest thing ever < 1339960083 617641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm selling it short here, but one thing it hints at is a paint program where you click on a pixel to iterate it's colour < 1339960108 463613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used a mac though.. maybe they done this < 1339960177 489985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339960179 710567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact you could just use the mousewheel < 1339960190 675864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like mousewheel < 1339960389 545359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so one concept arrived at is the idea of a paint program where, suppose its a black and white image.. you left click to toggle the pixel.. < 1339960435 29380 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/pikhq/src/bootstrap-linux/work/gcc-build': File exists < 1339960438 52377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAY < 1339960456 712410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using two buttons you could iterate the colour of the pixel in 2 directions over a small pallette < 1339960557 933865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'd assume there are paint programs which allow this already, although maybe not with a single click. but then again, some allow you to write scripts, so you can probably _make_ it a single click. < 1339960567 722737 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339960589 152685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the fruit of combining ideas with oklopol < 1339960590 495524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is really thinking of gimp here, which he played a bit with, years ago
< 1339960639 714537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not only this.. you would also have a custom "stamp/tile pattern" tool you could draw.. and this would mean you could iterate the colours in a region < 1339960720 626730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also something which you would imagine a script could do < 1339960736 265349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1339960796 378879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i vaguely recall a program which _did_ allow such tiling < 1339960803 822796 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339960820 785232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably was either gimp or xdvi < 1339960840 186672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an option for the copy/paste command < 1339960872 705285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1339960873 602847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes that is one thing to do, to make the button iterate over a palette < 1339960874 943998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xfig < 1339960912 424099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably better is to push the keys on the keyboard to switch the mode, and then depending on the mode it decides what the three mouse buttons do < 1339960931 196036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdvi was the program to show the result after embedding and running it through latex < 1339960953 547865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdvi is a DVI previewer. < 1339960959 624655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1339960966 716223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When on Linux I use that. On Windows I use dviout < 1339960997 204042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then to print the DVI file on Linux, you can use the command dvilj4 or one of the related programs < 1339961022 48545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, to print the DVI file select it from the menu < 1339961033 15598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm < 1339961047 540754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deluxe Paint is I think the program all pixel artists love and adore and speak good things about. It does all kinds of stamp-pattern stuffs. < 1339961054 140106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow oklopol solved the wohle problem < 1339961058 461811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^whole < 1339961068 162975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i used xfig for all my thesis pictures, it allowed embedding latex in them without having to code the picture itself in latex < 1339961079 132074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and stencils and whatnot. < 1339961128 125173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is another way to include pictures in TeX documents without using any DVI specials; I have written a program for that purpose. It only accepts ASCII PBM format as input but you can convert into that format with ImageMagick. < 1339961176 945449 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339961293 816744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we have come up with, which exceeded my plans, is that you can have a bitmap file format by having nothing more than a list of coordinate addresses for a 1bit stamp/pattern which will be used to iterate a palette < 1339961329 869029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would seem a pretty bad format although it would work < 1339961387 799437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a program to include pictures in a TeX document: http://sprunge.us/QZFg < 1339961415 255959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must share credit for it with everyone who participated since my initial post about " I have this idea of a graphics format. Basically what you would expect from me." < 1339961424 251304 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but woohoo it is done < 1339961440 654829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it is done. < 1339961452 350956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and better than i imagined < 1339961848 463743 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339962026 673365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the IFC and IFR fields work in the .IT format? < 1339962041 107067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how should paragraph breaks be done inside of a bfjprog? enter-twice undoes the insetting of the template. < 1339962065 73361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: see the 2011 section, or the 2012 section now that i fixed it < 1339962075 233532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339962147 538359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else I don't know is how do they switch between pitch/filter envelope? < 1339962436 778607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realizing nothing at all has been achieved is htat it's paintfuck with stamps < 1339962461 61601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats more than nothing < 1339962600 634822 :my53|f!~kvirc@ppp-4-138.28-151.libero.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1339962629 869841 :my53|f!~kvirc@ppp-4-138.28-151.libero.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1339962697 174865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm bluetooth is pretty much standard in every modern laptop and netbook right? Why is on-board bluetooth on desktops not common (at least I never heard of it) < 1339962751 150658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having on-board wifi is more reasonable, after all a desktop is (or at least used to be) connected by ethernet. But bluetooth mice and so on are not uncommon < 1339963241 201081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ignore the IFC and IFR fields (and in fact the midi ones after them), so I don't know what they're for. < 1339963287 382064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, surely there must be a spec somewhere that explains it? < 1339963317 321682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in what context did you ignore it? Did you implement a tracker? < 1339963341 95135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a player, and the official spec is not very complete. < 1339963353 138203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339963373 70226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the source of modplugplay or something like that? < 1339963399 847490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also your player, does it do anything modplugplay doesn't? < 1339963402 858315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care to. Anyway, libmikmod sources are what I've used to fill in the blanks. < 1339963406 307072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, where can I download? < 1339963407 938302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looking at the ModPlug Tracker, it seem they might be for the cutoff and resonance but I do not know how they are used. It also doesn't explain how to switch the envelope between filter/pitch (an option in ModPlug). < 1339963436 625421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make a program to write .IT file < 1339963461 821413 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1339963472 30288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can't download it anywhere, it certainly doesn't do anything extra except it's only two kilobytes or so and meant for converting an IT file to a self-playing executable. < 1339963519 765081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339963521 167623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1339963536 66810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, self playing? So what output device does it use? < 1339963546 8550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please please let it use the pc speaker) < 1339963582 400287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was for a friend who wanted to participate in an executable music competition.) < 1339963590 649908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/dsp, if I recall correctly. < 1339963611 683981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like I need to order a new SIM card. I need a micro sim for my next phone. Which is kind of amusing since it will be significantly larger than my current phone, why would it need a micro sim rather than a mini sim... < 1339963615 69769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those libc-less things, I wanted to have some fun writing it too. < 1339963621 175174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339963638 93262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just packed full of SO MUCH other stuff < 1339963639 421290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in x86-32 asm for the same reason.) < 1339963649 696110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well probably, it is a Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1339963661 31497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and currently I have a small keypad phone so < 1339963661 955305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339963666 13484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339963691 147417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it doesn't save that much < 1339963703 438030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't like full sized sim -> mini-sim < 1339963707 771300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a much larger change < 1339963774 714810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apperently there is also nano SIM < 1339963785 39031 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8 inch screen ... and a normal thumb is like 2 inches < 1339963801 885814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you don't want your thumb to cover the entire screen surely < 1339963819 821278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I used another device of similar size and had no issue with it < 1339963845 303835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The S3 is like 4 mm wider or something) < 1339963859 745737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use my thumb for input while using the rest of my hand to hold the phone < 1339963865 141215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339963868 805664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you hang the phone on the wall and use it like LCARS < 1339963875 390290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARS? < 1339963876 747158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1339963906 885545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that ridiculous touch interface they use in star trek < 1339963929 261685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, which generation? < 1339963938 239423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG and on < 1339963940 273994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339963941 721652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339963979 848017 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vat ja ty■ll■■n el■v■t h■visiv■t. < 1339963987 452204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that looks broken? < 1339963993 886846 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong paste < 1339963994 645627 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the galaxy nexus is like too big to be a phone but too small to be a tablet < 1339964006 146638 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/britain-unveils-electroni_0_n_1597529.html < 1339964010 39076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe due to apple lawsuit actions they can't make it the same size as the iphone? < 1339964013 971409 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the correct one < 1339964015 485770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway I can't really use the thumb for on-screen keyboard for phones, I tend to put my thumb over several keys. I have large hands < 1339964061 953590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there's an OMG BIG PHONES trend on at the moment < 1339964064 1000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at leats there was < 1339964069 249663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, my thumb is ~7.5 cm (~2.95 inches) < 1339964071 188513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If it's cutoff/resonance, then it's part of the filter thing that's very badly documented, and e.g. modplug does/did it wrong; it has some not-in-the-manual 'Z' effects to control it too. It's some standard second-order IIR filter that it has. < 1339964073 311086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(length that is) < 1339964073 470985 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OH REALLY? < 1339964108 328717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I predict that in 5-10 years we will be approaching the size of the early phones. Like small bags < 1339964120 601362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The formulas are documented in http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Impulse_Tracker#Resonant_filters if you really want to support them. < 1339964138 199857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway how can you do multitouch by just using your thumb < 1339964139 47004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1339964158 624559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thumbs are magic < 1339964168 238802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have limited range < 1339964168 657351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1339964181 229169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I guess you just have small hands < 1339964201 451672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My program is meant for writing .IT musics not for playing them. < 1339964202 998955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not the size of the hand..." < 1339964241 385919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my hands aren't small, they're just not big enough to comfortably use the whole screen of a modern smartphone < 1339964243 828297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, yes, but if you want to support setting those values in some reasonable units, like Hz. < 1339964248 221615 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can type on my HTC Wildfire with my thumbs just fine. but then again I use GKOS keyboard < 1339964257 563197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, from left ctrl on a full size standard PC keyboard (where left ctrl is the key in the bottom left corner, no funny fn-key stuff) how far can you reach? I can reach p comfortably with my right hand (thumb on ctrl, little finger on p) < 1339964264 381369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :å I can reach if I stretch < 1339964271 679081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339964320 921778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, OK < 1339964322 573605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm looking at your reformatting, should a word in the introduction be bolded when it's really another article with a subset of the current name? < 1339964327 229274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is the GKOS? I tend to use swype on phones < 1339964331 309557 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339964344 345389 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 6 key chordede keyboard < 1339964352 314812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, heh < 1339964363 82976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can reach +åä- if I try < 1339964366 499063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I believe that is what WP's MOS states < 1339964372 389697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, +-? < 1339964373 180196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a bit of an edge-case here < 1339964382 861482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ä is easy to reach for me < 1339964387 549690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :å is a bit harder < 1339964390 397652 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually the touch version has 12 keys < 1339964393 620626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see here: < 1339964402 609397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, MOS? < 1339964409 310399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Format_of_the_first_sentence < 1339964410 997121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: manual of style < 1339964413 557230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339964420 464832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thought it was a weird typo for TOS < 1339964421 603823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1339964454 691306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339964456 642098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, it's not a question of stuff being completely unreachable < 1339964457 706678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm < 1339964458 802820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be covered there < 1339964461 139565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1339964463 751703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh? < 1339964471 351709 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more that reaching the other end of the screen at the same time as holding the device is tricky and uncomfortable < 1339964492 29983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you can easily simulate pressing 5 keys with your thumbs < 1339964498 293992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, that document does not explain the purpose of the IFC and IFR fields. < 1339964499 158061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well yes, but I can't type using just the thumb on a non-keypad phone anyway. I can scroll just fine with my thumb though < 1339964499 914136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is trivially solvable by not making the phone ridiculously big for no reason in the first place < 1339964510 826288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so yeah I don't think using such a phone is an issue. < 1339964521 819224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hey HD video! < 1339964528 868894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make pixels that small < 1339964530 163275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um "If the article's exact title is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear:" seems clear enough < 1339964546 943570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, which is why that was the wrong thing to cite, I've definitely read otherwise elsewhere < 1339964549 404343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it was changed recently < 1339964553 929839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :~320 DPI is about max currently AFAIK (unless you go for electronic ink stuff) < 1339964556 275331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you will get some kind of RSI due to using your phone and then you will realize I am right < 1339964569 906766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm likely to use both hands if I'm typing < 1339964580 261271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see why I should use just one hand for that anyway < 1339964600 68369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Excuse me, sir, could you hold my phone while I use both my hands to type an SMS to my friend?" < 1339964606 101484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what? < 1339964612 703247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in fact i read that section recently, which may be why your edit triggered my protest < 1339964615 854068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you hold it with one hand and type with the other? < 1339964622 13336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1339964632 437856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could just undo it < 1339964638 939460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, that would be silly < 1339964639 775574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHAHA* < 1339964648 422133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, would it? < 1339964656 515485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is how I always done it on touch screens < 1339964724 994491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339964754 348055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, you need to do it like that anyway when you use google maps or such < 1339964759 200804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to multi touch < 1339964770 650183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you'd have to use it like lcars then, holding your whole arm up to let your hand hover above the screen < 1339964788 126148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... stop being silly < 1339964793 521307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you have to do that anyway for multi-touch < 1339964797 576206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section&oldid=449845029#Format_of_the_first_sentence does not have that wording < 1339964801 515236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of september 2011 < 1339964806 583470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is clearly a new addition < 1339964811 393838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what about multi touch keyboard input? < 1339964824 780705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1339964833 519745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, it sounds awesome though < 1339964841 732039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it exists < 1339964861 614601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you know what, a Datahand hooked up to your phone, that would be ergonomic < 1339964883 741646 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just test something < 1339964898 76866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I *think* that they give the cutoff/resonance values for (0..127, and then one bit designates if it's used or not; maybe modplug code can make this clear?) and then (if enabled) the filter gets applied to the output of a channel when notes of the corresponding instrument are played on it. < 1339964913 84226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm certainly not sure.) < 1339964938 364327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version of mikmod I have here just ignores them. The filters are kind of a late addition. < 1339965040 500304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-handed operation is I think a frequently considered use case when it comes to smartphone UI design. (It's probably best not to ponder what the other hand is doing.) < 1339965060 343783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway the solution is obvious. Make the keyboard just take up like the left or right half of the screen < 1339965066 410044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the full width < 1339965069 994442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves the issue < 1339965071 119154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, with a small screen you can use one hand for everything that only relies on single touches... with a big screen you either need to contort your hand to reach or you need to switch grip entirely and use both hands < 1339965093 633692 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-82-158.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339965132 721218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just typing (besides, that's ridiculously painful regardless), but e.g. dragging down the notification bar requires reaching the very top of the screen < 1339965141 618328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there may be other interactible elements there too < 1339965177 449209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that the iPod doesn't do sidetalking. It would be the absolute best, with a device of that size. < 1339965186 752571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true, just tilt the screen and it is way closer XD < 1339965207 875743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have my blessing to rever tthat bolding anyway < 1339965246 548033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a banana-shaped phone where everything is within thumb reach < 1339965251 866442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339965256 522710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yesterday I witnessed a credit card payment made by sticking a credit card into a small square box stuck at the bottom of an iPod, and then "signing" the receipt by finger-writing on the screen. < 1339965263 626122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was so 2012. < 1339965307 362484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there seems to be a lot of discussion about this stuff in recent talk page archives < 1339965343 307923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the bold is ugly, at least :P < 1339965370 122098 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's like two year old tech. :) < 1339965375 551076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a mention of a specific rule not to bold text with links in :P < 1339965381 977664 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you'd be kinda amused how that works. < 1339965386 725427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was done with http://www.izettle.com/ who reportedly have a kinda funky business model; they give out the card reader for free, and don't have any monthly contract subscription prices; they just take a cut (1%? 2%?) of the transaction. It's designed for very low-volume users. < 1339965415 529903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The square box is a magnet read head wired to the audio in jack. < 1339965444 529308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1339965450 715801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a "social payments company". < 1339965478 968314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it simply use the code? < 1339965483 973588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(+)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339965485 499182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIN code that is < 1339965485 932401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it talks to the chip so it's not a magnet-stripe reader. < 1339965488 480799 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 36.7 < 1339965505 668398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the magnet stripe still used? < 1339965509 648602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weird Europeans, with your smart cards in the chip. < 1339965513 725825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it isn't in Sweden < 1339965517 678271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, chips in the card. < 1339965529 971853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why it doesn't do the PIN thing. Maybe it's explained on the page. < 1339965531 826818 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339965533 613341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nanopoke < < 1339965536 448678 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_nanopoke: 0.0 < 1339965544 330943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, bank cards generally *only* have magnetic stripes. < 1339965567 819926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because upgrading infrastructure is for squares. < 1339965584 310935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey in Sweden if there is any fraud related to a card reader in a shop using the magnet strip rather than the chip they bear the full financial responsibility for it < 1339965597 391990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :after they made that change everyone switched very quickly < 1339965658 940258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't do you any good if nobody *has* cards with chips. < 1339965668 925389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well everyone does over here < 1339965680 197726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haven't seen one without a chip for over 15 years by now < 1339965687 905607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember them from when I was like 5 years old < 1339965690 901409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since then? Nope < 1339965692 391830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be so that you could read the mag-stripe info out of the chip without knowing the PIN, and then use that to print a stripe-only clone card and (ab)use it elsewhere. That I think got some sort of a fix already, though. < 1339965710 449553 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what < 1339965714 972154 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A magnetic strip is completely passive < 1339965727 519638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, rolling those out would probably screw up the tactic of literally mailing credit cards to people that you only need to call to activate. < 1339965729 65119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the keys should be on the card itself < 1339965731 488468 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you create a copy of it, and the machine only reads the strip, it shouldn't be able to tell the difference < 1339965737 138502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and display of the sum < 1339965747 70975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could completely prevent fraud < 1339965754 502967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how you could do that otherwise < 1339965761 577677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cards should clearly have a private key on them < 1339965766 239289 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody already made cards with build-in displays and keypads < 1339965771 937993 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not widely used yet though. < 1339965772 193167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of course, rolling those out would probably screw up the tactic of literally mailing credit cards to people that you only need to call to activate. <-- huh what? < 1339965775 304701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produce pgp-signed digital cheques < 1339965779 984228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that sounds like a good idea < 1339965785 73397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed, that would work < 1339965786 309765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Yes, but they fixed the part where you can ask the chip for the mag-stripe data without the PIN, so it can't get cloned just by sticking the chip part somewhere. < 1339965793 420376 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheques? I haven't seen one of those in... actually I've never seen one being used in a normal transaction < 1339965796 3118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then your bank could verify that < 1339965797 743444 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gifts and awards only < 1339965804 79127 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You get mailed credit cards in your junk mail. Call to activate. I shit you not. < 1339965817 428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, US. You shit the rest of the world < 1339965821 722693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: well a "digital cheque" is just a cryptographically signed message containing a number :P < 1339965823 200474 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if you read the mag-stripe part off the stripe < 1339965833 451273 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's still a foreign word to me. < 1339965839 617295 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: They're *rare*, but certainly in use in the US. < 1339965849 370025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus is that people would get phone attachments that let them plug into digital cheque acceptors and then people will steal phones for the cash < 1339965855 907406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm < 1339965864 415428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen cheques being used < 1339965866 988425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of course nobody will think to require putting a password on the private key < 1339965872 713061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they do < 1339965874 427760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago though < 1339965876 681683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll add a "remember password" button < 1339965882 644912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're either using it to pay an individual or really small entity without a card reader, or because you're really old. < 1339965900 883961 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to mail money, I guess. < 1339965901 44309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1339965903 825296 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgDWMh2D0b8 the video is a bit dumbed-down but something like this < 1339965906 848098 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be pretty neat < 1339965921 883473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Then you can obviously copy it. But this was in context of non-noticeable card-cloning dealies on top of an ATM, where you can't just tell people to swipe the card instead. < 1339965922 966086 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't verify the sum though. < 1339965932 703806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah I had cheques mailed to me by an elderly aunt for birthdays < 1339965933 683687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the design of credit cards are stupid as hell, what else is new < 1339965954 435262 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, like everything that was made before fast ubiquitous interwebs < 1339965956 746676 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on trust. < 1339965959 787471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, only a couple of years ago she started just going to the bank office and doing the transaction directly < 1339965963 254900 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the only thing either < 1339965964 969247 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think e-mail < 1339965966 981600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339965969 547919 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 37.6 < 1339965974 811406 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which is really insanely hard to do in the US for some reason. < 1339965978 812066 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In its plainest form, no authentication built-in whatsoever < 1339965984 189813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is? < 1339965990 113525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, going to the bank office? < 1339965996 818344 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depositing into someone else's account. < 1339965998 211166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :she doesn't have internet afaik < 1339966001 751680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339966004 135802 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it hard o_O < 1339966005 796854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how/why is it hard? < 1339966009 902695 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't know! < 1339966021 757892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how is it hard? < 1339966030 970674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily do that from my internet bank < 1339966031 613335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: transfers to other accounts arent that hard? < 1339966038 154267 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here you just go to your bank's website, enter their account number (it also identifies the country and bank these days), a sum and click "ok" < 1339966056 658188 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you can also do it by filling in a form and leaving it at the bank physically if you're a computer-challenged person < 1339966067 963320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, and then you get a challenge code that you enter on your hard certificate device and you enter the reply code on the bank website < 1339966072 300780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget that step < 1339966076 583141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a card reader thingy < 1339966084 356131 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our "hard certificate device" is a one-time pad of numbers < 1339966088 688978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hard certificate, so you put your bank card in it) < 1339966091 562391 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get from the bank < 1339966093 507247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and use your PIN code) < 1339966098 920054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, we get ours from the bank too < 1339966106 673228 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate that isn't hard either. < 1339966113 103844 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but here they're like < 1339966114 433730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that it is a card reader and works by challenge-response < 1339966116 221972 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literal one time pads < 1339966120 16430 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made of paper < 1339966121 165379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339966131 846061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, that sounds stupid. Someone could just steal that pad < 1339966138 472343 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they could. < 1339966147 444465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in my case they would need to steal my bank card and my PIN < 1339966149 587967 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why having a PIN authenticator would be neat but I don't think they do that yet. < 1339966163 436331 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they'd also need your password though < 1339966171 589271 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you're supposed to memorize (but I bet most people just write it on the pad) < 1339966191 28966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, here it all works by the challenge-response thingy. Even login. < 1339966203 987640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they could add a password as well, that would be good < 1339966216 294045 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the PIN enough < 1339966224 921797 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more passwords you have the more likely are people to write them down < 1339966246 87130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 4 digits. Hrrm < 1339966258 19146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the challenge response code is like 10 digits iirc? < 1339966276 232952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, iZettle uses chip-and-sign because PCI only certifies separate chip-and-pin terminal devices with their own PIN entry keypads, and certainly won't appreciate iPad apps. < 1339966276 672460 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longer PIN! < 1339966290 21628 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most cards lock out after 3 incorrect tries don't they < 1339966306 195401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, PCI? As in the PCI bus? < 1339966308 102135 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3333 chance of getting it right (actually it's higher since they won't let you use some PINs like 1111) < 1339966341 514100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, my bank doesn't let me change PIN. Good idea really < 1339966349 966809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to learn whatever PIN they give your card < 1339966353 310654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Wire transfers cost money, and going through ACH allows the recepient to withdraw from your account. < 1339966365 332236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is ACH? < 1339966375 436089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt there a middle ground < 1339966393 878545 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut, draw from your account? < 1339966398 768491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As in the Payment Card Industry Security Standards Council who defined PCI-DSS. < 1339966399 206430 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if that's even possible here < 1339966402 521469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming we're talking about accounts at the same bank, yes? < 1339966410 419314 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automated Clearing House"... An electronic payment thing that's basically designed only around bill payments and payroll. < 1339966418 307686 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a system that big companies could use called "direct charge" or something where they could take money from you but < 1339966432 125740 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it got replaced by an "e-bill" system where you need to authorize them < 1339966435 26404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1339966448 954226 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: We would be on the "direct charge" system. < 1339966472 502847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With wire transfers being little-used because a bank will charge like $20 just to do them. < 1339966483 7843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domestically! < 1339966483 168085 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you use e-bills (pretty much everybody supports them nowadays) you get them in your inbox online and you can view them and pay them with one click < 1339966492 421482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why do they do that? And what is a wire transfer? < 1339966499 144368 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the best part is that you can also set an automatic payment limit < 1339966508 912384 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "automatically pay bills from company X up to Y EUR/month" < 1339966516 148637 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is great because otherwise I'd never remember to pay my bills. < 1339966530 103082 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wire transfer" is what I always hear in American TV shows < 1339966544 679827 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some kind of ancient and overly complicated method of transferring money from one account to another < 1339966545 828738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a bit of a silliness because reseach folk have hacked open all manner of PCI-certified POS terminals, so it's certainly not "safe" to stick in your card in any hole anyway. < 1339966546 166570 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A wire transfer is a means of transmitting money that dates back to the telegram. < 1339966558 736701 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, telegraph < 1339966574 629860 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, again, fuck upgrading infrastructure. < 1339966579 51284 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339966591 495093 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck anything besides COBOL and PDP-11 < 1339966606 53625 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked for our ancestors, why wouldn't it work for us! < 1339966637 188075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not the only thing it's not safe to stick in holes in the wall!!!! < 1339966643 220263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1339966645 709367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1339966664 763216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah. Cash, checks, and magnetic stripe cards are the only usable things. < 1339966677 992075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how does it work then? < 1339966704 272175 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's exactly one chain of stores left that doesn't take chip cards < 1339966712 403791 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Poorly! < 1339966720 841694 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details. < 1339966724 575912 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well doesn't use the chip < 1339966729 30145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: The "direct charge" thing won't be totally dismantled until 2014, but it's certainly quite deprecated by now. < 1339966730 920253 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there are any cards without chips left < 1339966735 217407 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh ok < 1339966797 884158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1339966813 789344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rent for the student housing at the university used to use that scheme. I don't know if they're e-billing people yet. < 1339966843 670189 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get paper bills :V < 1339966851 950409 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well pre-filled bank transfer sheets < 1339966855 151822 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/forms < 1339966865 913659 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a waste of paper because they're just the same information over and over with a different date < 1339966941 342524 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a slightly unrelated note, it can be quite "delightful" dealing with bureaucracies here. < 1339966956 660844 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, who the hell actually expects a fax these days? Apparently bureaucracy. < 1339966980 268705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is direct charge? < 1339966983 792918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-giro? < 1339966986 321968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friggin' fax machine! < 1339967015 645672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was like the bank being set up to send a monthly transfer somewhere or such < 1339967025 649480 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never touched a fax machine < 1339967032 472013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our... uh, I don't know the word. The money that goes to the pseudo-company running this apartment building? Anyway, that, goes so that they mail one paper bill with rows for 12 months, each with a checkbox, and then if you want you can tick each box after you've paid it. (I just set up a monthly repeated payment.) < 1339967037 66747 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I hear they still use them to send signed contracts or whatever around < 1339967045 555487 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's apparently more "trustworthy" than e-mail < 1339967059 166519 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which only goes to further prove that old people only find old things trustworthy. < 1339967074 285013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339967101 891228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, email is not very trustworthy. < 1339967113 923241 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are faxes any more trustworthy < 1339967125 415004 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fax is a photosensor, an ADC, and a modem. < 1339967125 574931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go through a lot less stuff, don't they? < 1339967136 937598 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're talking about somebody who's willing to go as far as forge contracts or whatnot < 1339967146 585221 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They mean "trustworthy" in the sense of forgery. < 1339967158 602402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right, so the question is one of interception, right? < 1339967178 13006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're very trustworthy. There was that story about a prison "escape" that happened by the prisoner's friend sending a "hey, release the guy" fax from the local copy shop. < 1339967200 588510 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not... Really. The question is one of sending utterly bogus stuff. < 1339967213 967877 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assumption for some reason is "if it's a fax, it's real" < 1339967216 790182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE wanted me to fax them a signed copyright-contract form for a conference once. < 1339967245 938441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1339967267 426974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1339967284 140526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking people who probably think that they actually get offers on dick elongation that can *actually do that*. < 1339967312 759671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall they had some alternative to faxing, though. But maybe it was just snailmailing it. < 1339967359 87428 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339967365 715538 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old people trust faxes because they're easy to understand! < 1339967369 668876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Send the signed Copyright Transfer form by October 15, 2008 (HARD DEADLINE!), to the conference secretariat by fax or scanned email" < 1339967370 31218 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean c'mon it's like dialing the phone! < 1339967384 441292 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them new-fangled internets or e-mails < 1339967389 794966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they don't mind a scan-and-email, at least at this conference. < 1339967416 723492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remember that your paper cannot be included in the conference proceedings without the signed IEEE Copyright Transfer form. Electronic signatures will not be accepted. < 1339967419 725561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to new IEEE regulations, the author who signed the copyright transfer form or the presenter will be required to resign this form at the conference because the original handwritten signature must be filed with the IEEE Headquarters." < 1339967461 13383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly clear how they're going to tell whether I've pasted the signature in rather than signing and scanning it. < 1339967577 117827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasting the signature in is "impossible", they think. < 1339967588 583452 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell them you did that, they will think you are a wizard to rival Merlin. < 1339967754 857570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned this before, but recently I had to pay a travel agency some money, and they solved the "email is not encrypted so it can't be used to send credit card info" by requesting the card number and the CVV number in two separate emails. Because, you know, how would someone catch *both*? < 1339967773 724971 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339967791 22859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think a phone call was an option for the CVV, though.) < 1339967793 903428 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love people having no clue how any of this stuff works. < 1339967794 456472 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've had people send over stuff partially as SMS and partially via e-mail < 1339967801 734610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, even if they did catch both mails, they have no way of knowing which mail is the card number and which is the CVV < 1339967831 413816 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: strlen will handle that. :) < 1339968328 198031 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339968716 905657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /IS/ the CVV actually? As in, how does it work. I know it is the 3 digits on the back thingy but apart from that? No clue < 1339968888 514269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw you americans without chips in your cards would run into issues if you visited Sweden. Usually the magnetic stripe thingy is taped over these days < 1339968898 40765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people don't use it instead of the chip < 1339968906 566417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip* < 1339969095 363673 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339969111 278919 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1339969315 823041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is just additional numbers (that are not on the magnetic strip) that are sometimes (often?) required when doing a "card not present" transaction, i.e. the merchant is not actually given the card, just its details over the phone/internet/whatever. < 1339969331 812668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339969342 581816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think I only ever used it with paypal? < 1339969375 232536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :verified by visa stuff doesn't use it. It uses my card reader instead < 1339969384 691953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea being that if you stick a card-skimmer over an ATM card slot, it can't copy that number, so you'll actually need to be physically present when using the cloned card, so it's easier to get caught. < 1339969425 813280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it isn't on the strip then how can it not be possible to just copy the data on the strip? < 1339969437 51125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1339969446 144984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you just copy the data on the strip < 1339969451 111753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need the CSC < 1339969462 479592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can, but the code is not on it. < 1339969486 783375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but the CSC is not needed when paying in a shop anyway. You just need the copy the card data and presumably the PIN < 1339969504 221513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a card skimmer and an add-on keypad on top of the original one < 1339969506 160541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *just* mentioned this. < 1339969507 365655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more would you need < 1339969523 458821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no more data that you need as far as I can see < 1339969531 297632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use the copied card over the internet/phone/whatever, is the point. < 1339969536 284739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339969543 563302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the merchant would require the code. < 1339969545 132461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could use it in a normal shop just fine < 1339969555 926381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, and get caught just fine too. < 1339969571 846686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you need to be there in the shop with the card. < 1339969572 400214 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339969583 748467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, who said you would get caught? You wouldn't use it more than a couple of times the same day < 1339969611 736310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's obviously an imperfect security measure. The point still remains. < 1339969615 307254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339969835 401717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the credit card misuse strategies are based on ordering stuff online (to other people, who then pay you via Western Union or whatever), anyway, and it'll at least attempt to block those. (Well, I suppose whoever copied the card is most likely to sell the details forward, but anyway at some point someone's going to have to use it.) < 1339969901 324073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339969936 569459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why western union? < 1339969957 619989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because from what I know it's not very traceable. < 1339969961 385213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339970044 409022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, well, we'd have trouble *anyways*. < 1339970047 666750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Western Union advises its customers not to send money to someone that they have never met in person. Despite its efforts in increasing customers' awareness of the issue,[17] Western Union is used for internet fraud by scammers.[18]" < 1339970057 183466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339970073 993689 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some banks like to charge for international use. < 1339970083 472023 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meeting in person is overrated < 1339970089 995599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others will disable your card, under the assumption that it's fraud. < 1339970095 552902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh!? < 1339970103 175612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :banks liking to charge is no news < 1339970106 251161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what banks do < 1339970125 613897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so you mean that they disable your card if you are on holidays in a different country? < 1339970143 82422 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some, yes. < 1339970148 720925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339970148 880538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently eBay have banned it. (Though I'm sure you can still find eBay people willing to pay with it, especially since they'll be getting the merchandise before paying, so it all seems quite legit.) < 1339970161 981636 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you go out of your way to tell them "I will be out of the country". < 1339970171 345169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I see < 1339970180 908135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I best watch out for that in the future < 1339970185 905688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever go abroad < 1339970201 257324 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also sucks heavily if you want to use a cell phone abroad. < 1339970223 707437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, the data plans are from the 90s. < 1339970228 67084 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charge per *megabyte*? < 1339970234 370668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banks around here also disable cards if they're used in a physically unlikely way; say, in country A, then five minutes later in country B, then again 15 minutes later in country A. (With A and B being non-neighbours.) < 1339970250 782422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah < 1339970258 275915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, roaming data isn't really any better in Europe, I don't think. < 1339970258 441806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, roaming rates are absurd < 1339970272 669766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also get absurd charges for international voice... < 1339970282 711427 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this assumes you have a phone that functions internationally. < 1339970297 918557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The North American GSM frequencies are different from the rest of the world. < 1339970304 166355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some EU-wide maximum-charge limit nowadays, for data and SMS and I think voice too. But the limits are quite high. < 1339970315 738623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I saw an ad recently for an international mobile pay plan. With a cost of 137 SEK / day. At least it was per day but that cost is more than what I pay per *month* for my plan < 1339970317 758900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data part is IIRC pretty new. < 1339970327 4912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Jesus. < 1339970336 996139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's friggin' charging just to charge. < 1339970342 113153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :137 SEK is $19.71 apperently < 1339970358 714379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway that was like the max cost per day when roaming < 1339970362 260608 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you pay $19.71 per month? Lucky bastards. < 1339970365 474508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seemed absurd to me < 1339970378 982270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no I pay $14.24 < 1339970388 370889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't pay a bloody $19.71 < 1339970396 143190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just stupidly much < 1339970411 877602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: US cell plans start at $39.99/mo. < 1339970436 540371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 10¢/min. if you go with a prepaid phone. < 1339970440 884164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my plan is a student one though. IIRC it costs like 150 normally ($21) < 1339970450 493683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err $21.59) < 1339970464 907343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway it is heavy on data but not on calls < 1339970467 630206 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(benefit of a prepaid phone being that that minutely charge is the only charge at all, so if you don't call much, well.) < 1339970486 571626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a LOT of data (and even when I reach the limit of 4 GB / month it just slows down, it doesn't cost me more) < 1339970493 238051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pay $12.51/mon, but it's speed-limited to something rather slow; it's an old deal, and I haven't changed because it comes with a "slave SIM" thing and a USB 3G stick, so I can have both the phone and the laptop interwebbed simultaneously. Not that I ever really use that, but the idea is nice. < 1339970496 550858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get 5000 SMS / month (as if I would ever reach that) < 1339970497 674771 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's a plan *without* data. < 1339970504 477508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but voice calls cost a bit more < 1339970517 823416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I got the plan I didn't do many voice calls though < 1339970555 480461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays I do that more, if it keeps at the current level (more than usual currently, since I'm looking for a job), I might change plan < 1339970560 591049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I get cheaper voice calls < 1339970567 309481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data starts at an additional $15/mo. < 1339970587 944246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because in practise it ends up at more than 99 SEK / month due to the voice calls currently. Last month was 127 SEK iirc < 1339970590 145394 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all rates from AT&T) < 1339970601 627940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a whopping $18.27 < 1339970633 231430 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or $3.27 more than 250MB of data on *top* of a cell plan in the US. < 1339970649 489048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway the point here was that 137 SEK / day was advertised as a roaming cost. And that is $19.71 / day roaming < 1339970652 152513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is absurd < 1339970664 858814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is advertised as especially low roaming cost < 1339970672 782604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't want to know what the usual cost is < 1339970708 797556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah roaming needs to be cheaper < 1339970710 489172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just amazed you can have such a god-damned low rate. < 1339970712 376822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH cheaper < 1339970725 461657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, remember it is a student plan though < 1339970742 505801 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, and the normal rate is still half a normal US rate. < 1339970755 317854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and there are no included voice minutes in it < 1339970763 699607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of SMS and data though < 1339970770 151784 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And there are no data or SMS included in that rate. < 1339970819 225644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and iirc very cheap call to anyone else with Telia. Only issue, no one that I know currently use Telia. My dad used to, but he switched to Telenor years ago, and a couple of months ago he switched to Tele2 < 1339970836 231268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty useless that cheap call for me < 1339970878 38334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm getting a new phone soon btw. Going for a Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1339970907 42693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to order a MicroSIM as well. I have MiniSIM currently. All very amusing since the new phone will be larger than my current one. < 1339970925 422266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of course going to buy the phone separately from my plan < 1339970936 101521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only idiots would buy the phone with the plan IMO < 1339970940 554136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the maximum roaming data rate in EU is 0.50 EUR/megabyte. (But that's a price ceiling on how much the roaming network operator can charge from the customer's home operator, so it's not directly a ceiling on how much the end-user must pay.) < 1339970962 265230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1339970966 633557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is still quite a lot < 1339970986 194797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact absurdly much < 1339970999 77820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but at least there's a ceiling. Some of the per-megabyte prices were really something else, before. < 1339971023 815206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339971035 890270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why they would do that < 1339971043 89225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roaming *call* costs are absurd as well < 1339971043 621818 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339971048 171089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems stupid < 1339971052 988655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they like to get money? < 1339971061 570697 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339971061 865145 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339971063 700731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cheaper getting a pre-paid card in the country you are visiting < 1339971066 620622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than roaming < 1339971087 331874 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so that's why it went silent < 1339971091 730316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do do that. Especially now that you can sometimes find sensible pre-paid data. < 1339971095 200642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-paid with data can be quite cheap here < 1339971121 549313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I used to have pre-paid with data. IIRC it was max 9 SEK per day for data. < 1339971124 829107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1339971151 597675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I had this UDP-based "I send this packet and it resends the contents as email to all our relatives" setup for one trip. Even with the silly per-megabyte price, they charged at 50kiB granularity, and the price for one connect+send+disconnect was less than a single SMS. < 1339971174 261627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did they round up or down? < 1339971180 479267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up, of course. < 1339971184 326898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339971203 655665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you wrote a software for that or you used an existing one? < 1339971207 884318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was still just one unit per message, IIRC. < 1339971242 844967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a Perl script at the server end, and J2ME locally, I think. The phone I was using at the time wasn't very smart. < 1339971258 724507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339971261 327822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen existing software for that. < 1339971262 58691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aaaah, stupid charging. < 1339971273 177411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no news there < 1339971286 44408 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A charge for SMS is overcharging. < 1339971291 558293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339971315 534426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stupid frequency issues when you visit different parts of the world < 1339971324 163184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the frequency bands are completely different < 1339971330 560907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the phone doesn't work anyway < 1339971339 325649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1342 EUR/SMS is the corresponding EU region ceiling for that. But that's also a new thing. < 1339971369 560255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's approx. 0.1342 EUR too many..; < 1339971377 575274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339971378 9148 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1339971379 638091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.188 SEK? That is an absurd cost < 1339971404 844552 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339971416 942421 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh 0.1342 eur is precisely 1 nok < 1339971417 620998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I wonder why my plan says 5000 free SMS / month, and iirc there is an upgrade option for even more < 1339971423 905682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is going to use that? < 1339971428 193769 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well by google) < 1339971439 580993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 5000 SMS per month is A LOT < 1339971443 447359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: People do. The statistics are really crazy. < 1339971455 494424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how could anyone type 5000 SMS in a month on a PHONE < 1339971457 361576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some average three-digit numbers daily. < 1339971462 952112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :without breaking their fingers < 1339971471 905498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seriously? < 1339971487 689048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use it like IRC except pay per line. :p < 1339971489 268776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I average 150 / year r so < 1339971495 989425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* < 1339971499 627463 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1339971523 265704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The overall average for the 12-17 age group in the US seems to be 60/day. < 1339971559 759288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that's just 1800/month, but it's the average. Some go higher. < 1339971562 308646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my phone I sent a total of 712 SMS (it says 712/743, I think were long and thus split in two internally or something) < 1339971572 863436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think I ever reset that counter < 1339971580 284312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit more than 150 / year < 1339971590 576041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average for 14-17 seems to be about 100/day. < 1339971605 738742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I had it for like 6 years or so by now < 1339971622 260198 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. 140 bytes per SMS. < 1339971630 235742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? < 1339971644 251937 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5000 free SMS -> 683 free kilobytes. < 1339971651 468052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm a net-importer of SMS: 737/760 is the received SMS count < 1339971667 39029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339971697 973265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall average in Finland is 3/day, apparently, but it would make more sense to compare the same age group; I just don't have that number on this Google results page. < 1339971703 21264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well you get 2 GB free data before it slows down to like 80 kb/s (instead of 6 MB/s or whatever it is supposed to be, my phone is slower than that anyway) < 1339971739 80334 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that roaming rate is... 0.9815EUR / kilobyte. < 1339971750 415999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339971770 917944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so more than the per mb then? < 1339971776 348681 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1339971777 548380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is silly < 1339971795 700143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, definitely way less than 1 / day for me. However I do tend to go weeks without a single SMS and then send like three on the same day < 1339971821 338827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I average about three per month, I think. < 1339971825 751902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339971834 206252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are a different generation I guess < 1339971849 870098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh I feel old < 1339971855 614228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ask elliott how many he sends < 1339971866 979790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey! How many SMS do you write per day approximately? < 1339971880 886682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1339971895 210094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check how many I send per day. < 1339971902 667162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it says "like a billion". < 1339971934 388734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's not in US. We'd need a 14-to-17-year-old from the US, to verify that 100/day figure. < 1339971959 869467 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey monqy < 1339971973 862944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is 12 < 1339972023 515789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how many per year? < 1339972047 878110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how many SMS do you send per day (or another suitable time unit if the answer would be <1) < 1339972111 362488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy ages 1 year per year < 1339972123 271307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have sent 0 smses in 2012 < 1339972125 225444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in 2011 too < 1339972131 161469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1339972243 799887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about MMS? < 1339972252 413767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once received an MMS < 1339972254 59161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1339972261 953127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my phone didn't support it < 1339972266 65547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have no idea what it was < 1339972293 647861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked the guy who sent it and he had no clue he had done that. So probably it was a misclick or something < 1339972316 357393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so yeah, any MMS figures? < 1339972352 189254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've received three, but they come in as a SMS with a link to the operator's website where I can look at it, because I don't have the "can receive MMS" flag turned on at the operator. (It's turned on if you ever send one, or you can toggle it on manually from their settings page.) < 1339972363 45712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339972384 975066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia the most active country in Europe for MMS is Norway < 1339972393 453209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did oerjan go? < 1339972399 224056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can recall the contents of only two, but I think there was a third. < 1339972403 94487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, got many MMS? < 1339972479 475304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, how many SMS do you send per day (or another suitable time unit if the answer would be <1) < 1339972482 413668 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1339972495 886478 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure i haven't sent an sms since... years? < 1339972499 462408 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh wait i can check < 1339972500 894723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339972615 180264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent *two* yesterday. My quota for the month is almost up, it seems. (Though I sent 0 in May, so maybe it balances out.) < 1339972625 924426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hmm I've sent multiple in the last year, < 1339972632 576684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less than can be counted on one hand. < 1339972635 667096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339972644 963968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So less than 32? < 1339972653 487046 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339972658 166887 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less than 32. < 1339972662 504723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about MMS? You ever received or sent any? < 1339972701 927694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think maybe I've sent... one? < 1339972725 587222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Maybe* a few more, but we're talking the better part of a decade ago for that. < 1339972752 759268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339972757 26184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, the VDSL2 at home comes with some (10/month or so?) free SMSes. You send them from the ISP's "account settings" web thing. (They're also a cellphone operator. But it's still kinda weird.) < 1339972769 335728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird < 1339972776 670915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the low limit is even more weird < 1339972777 355740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my phone _still_ doesn't support MMS :P < 1339972788 173137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, still? Have I asked you before? < 1339972789 614586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339972827 359063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how many SMS do you send per day (or other more suitable time unit if answer is <1) < 1339972837 89912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can buy more, I think. But it's not a very advertised service, don't know if anyone really uses it. (I suspect a bored programmer implemented it.) < 1339972845 128143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1339972896 542972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how does the thing where you send an SMS to a specific number (usually a normally non-valid one) and get configuration data for data or mms back work? < 1339972907 42511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the phone somehow just interprets that directly < 1339972915 206880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lessee, i cannot quite recall how many months since my last one. < 1339972920 624337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1339972999 87749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that the SMS message length and the twitter message length is the same. I wonder if that is a co-incidence. < 1339973007 253186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it isn't < 1339973007 867231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the same. < 1339973016 627574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 140 in both cases? < 1339973025 211138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 characters for SMS. < 1339973031 328153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 140 bytes of daa. < 1339973036 76146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not according to wikipedia < 1339973038 709663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339973039 912590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339973052 666088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how many bits per char? < 1339973055 919118 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. < 1339973065 211834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven, yes. < 1339973066 289812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err I used unicode in SMS < 1339973068 44767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1339973071 848681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked just fine < 1339973082 615538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats multiple characters, too. < 1339973083 798960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that UTF-7? < 1339973095 100843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's a mess. :p < 1339973103 950583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339973115 607809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a character counter it should jump if you put special-enough characters in. < 1339973128 925944 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's either the GSM 7-bit encoding, straight octets, or UTF-16. < 1339973131 617699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will check < 1339973145 782770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm wikipedia claims UCS2 < 1339973158 491392 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, that's even more moronic. < 1339973178 712966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my phone says 1000/1 < 1339973183 161757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a strange count < 1339973210 836476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it counts down < 1339973211 299289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, because that's not the maximum limit for concatenated messages, I don't think. < 1339973225 12421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "1" is probably the number of messages. < 1339973241 281785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the 1 is that < 1339973243 55888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1339973256 337747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall there was some even stranger escape mechanism when sending a message with the 7-bit alphabet and just having individual special characters. < 1339973287 937759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mashing the 1 gives me a smiley (T9 word thingy) < 1339973310 701466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports up to 8 concatenated :-) before it gives me a question mark that the word is unknown < 1339973311 402092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339973331 393729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry miscounted, 10 < 1339973348 784215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that on many GSM smartphones, there's no specific preselection of the UCS-2 encoding. The default is to use the 7-bit encoding above, until one enters a character that is not present in the GSM 7-bit table (for example the lowercase c with cedilla 'ç'). In that case, the whole message gets reencoded using the UCS-2 encoding, and the maximum length of the message sent in only 1 SMS is ... < 1339973355 80758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... immediately reduced to 70 code units, instead of 160." < 1339973356 575260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe no escaping, then. < 1339973366 964416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes like this on the screen: :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):)? < 1339973373 860872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with that underline yes) < 1339973389 562095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339973412 123420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1339973418 634966 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339973422 434388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, there's this thing. < 1339973426 253147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::—) < 1339973428 120417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what thing? < 1339973432 536466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite < 1339973445 935054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since release 8 of the GSM 23.038 standard, additional characters sets can be accessed through the use of a National Language Shift Table. < 1339973448 935345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These tables allow the use of different character sets according to the language the text is going to be written. The choice of table for a given message is selected in the User Data Header section of an SMS message and can be specified for the whole text (a Locking shift table) or a single character (Single shift table). < 1339973450 69543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm just amused it supports concatenated smilies! < 1339973454 447759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a shift table, a message can still use 7-bit encoding for the characters, but a different set can be chosen to correctly show accented and language specific characters. This allows up to 155 characters, encoded in 136 octets (140 octets, minus the 4-octets of User Data Header required to indicate the use of a shift table and the language code)." < 1339973458 711686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a special thing < 1339973459 927782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1339973476 392989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what many phones do if you stick in some special-but-not-too-special character. < 1339973505 640107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like åäö or such? < 1339973520 634778 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :T9 huh < 1339973523 979189 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never use that < 1339973535 27964 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What a "pleasant" hack to deal with how phone companies seem to feel that half a floppy disk per month is a reasonable allocation. < 1339973542 653292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, what? It makes perfect sense. You just need to hit the key on the keypad once per char < 1339973549 297952 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but < 1339973556 435840 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just never liked it .__. < 1339973559 750154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339973563 890136 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I learned to type decently fast on the keypad < 1339973572 425102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, next you will say you hate swype on smartphones? < 1339973574 182700 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might've averaged at least over 150cpm < 1339973584 711653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339973584 871367 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I hate typing on touchscreens for one. < 1339973588 697850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339973594 391665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't? < 1339973667 112365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was searching the wikipedia page about twitter for "140" to find the reason for that specific limit. Amusingly I hit that they had US$ 140 million revenue and over 140 million users instead < 1339973687 484598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fitting numbers < 1339973755 98302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually åäö are part of the default 7-bit set. (It's not ASCII.) My counter jumps from 160 to 69 if I type a ‰, indicating UCS-2. Haven't found an in-between character yet. (It counts number of characters until the next message.) < 1339973771 529004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it comes from the GSM SMS limit of 160 (7-bit) characters minus space for a username < 1339973776 768543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey "The messages were initially set to a 140 character limit for the compatibility with SMS messaging" according to wikipedia about twitter < 1339973781 847603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes they are related! < 1339973798 583973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; it's not the same limit, though. < 1339973807 429122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah twitter was originally based on the idea of sending/receiving status updates by SMS < 1339973810 388230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Twitter limit is 140 UTF-8-encoded integers. < 1339973821 233345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right. < 1339973838 720021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also some random uppercase Greek in the 7-bit GSM. < 1339973871 221077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339973897 879535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean Cyrillic letters or ancient Greek letters? < 1339973948 283748 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339974016 973730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Γ, Λ, Ω, Π, Ψ, Σ and few others. (Got tired copy-pasting from a table with this phone.) < 1339974027 800538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339974123 164020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMS is weird, anyway. There's that "flash SMS" that used to show up in phones as an alert without "opening" the message. Optionally blinking. Technically a "class 0" message. No idea if that still works. < 1339974145 818938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are you talking about? < 1339974158 529834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be used for pranking since it looked like an "official" message, not just something anyone could send. < 1339974167 147216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you send one? < 1339974208 109353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339974210 354615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By fiddlery. At least computers with a GSM card could send them. IIRC some phones too, if you did the right magic. < 1339974217 716796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/alert.html has some details. < 1339974233 759267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, not easy to do then I guess < 1339974274 317713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ehow.com/how_5202567_send-flash-sms.html < 1339974288 662967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and it's the UCS version of UTF-8 at that, so you can encode codepoints outside the Unicode range < 1339974308 648534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339974333 16628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea if that flash SMS buggery still works in today's phones.) < 1339974350 593876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Type "0001" followed by the beginning of your text message. This is considered a "Class 0" message by most cell phones." <-- that are 4 bytes of letters? < 1339974353 817819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is* < 1339974364 155318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "Class 0" message? < 1339974397 391911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing it to my own phone, not working as that ehow suggested it < 1339974412 650148 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's what I was meaning to imply. :) < 1339974435 523527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: and it's the UCS version of UTF-8 at that, so you can encode codepoints outside the Unicode range <-- what, really? < 1339974439 883542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: modern greek also uses those letters... < 1339974440 238819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS8 is silly < 1339974453 309259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I thought they used Cyrillic? < 1339974457 827550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than µ and so on < 1339974460 215440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339974468 875893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? hm < 1339974473 815611 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up =D < 1339974479 44642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you < 1339974479 203973 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1339974483 568383 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrillic for greek? < 1339974496 515741 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to the ancient greek alphabet, fewer letters and diacritics aiui < 1339974522 334932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, "aiui"? < 1339974526 109458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand it < 1339974529 368519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339974532 714284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would certainly think it should be a single U+0001 character, but the eHow makes it sound strange. Who knows. The SMS wiki-article mentions such a thing exists, but doesn't have any details. < 1339974542 775537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyrillic alphabet is based on greek and looks a lot like greek too < 1339974549 224578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1339974552 535002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the eHow article is just wrong < 1339974559 680192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it probably is < 1339974606 729978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek was written in boustrophedon order for a while! < 1339974612 238980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ASCII control code 0x01 is the "start of heading" code. < 1339974745 897015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is that? < 1339974758 479089 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left to right and right to left on alternating lines < 1339974764 423152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1339974766 154321 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back and forth like an ox plowing a field < 1339974768 851329 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, lol. < 1339974774 317349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you ever seen an ox plow a field < 1339974779 924837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339974800 14533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well it makes it easy to handle very long lines in a text without losing your position! < 1339974801 491796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be strong like bull and smart like tractor < 1339974807 361559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tricky to read still < 1339974819 839750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, according to the http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/alert.html table the main thing is to have the correct first ("TP-DCS") byte, which you obviously can't type in, and the U+0001 just makes for the blinking. So if the eHow ever worked, it must've relied on phones recognizing the 0001 and doing the magic. < 1339974837 145829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it count if I saw it on a documentary? < 1339974906 869862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1339975041 351694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1339975074 220458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mobiletidings.com/2009/02/12/sending-a-flash-sms-message/ (with a phone plugged to a computer in some way you can speak AT commands to it) sounds far more likely to work, assuming operators don't block/change the message class, and modern phones still do the UI difference. < 1339975109 510262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The example is not in UCS-2 mode though.) < 1339975247 889170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339975381 397781 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339975520 854989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What values are the IFC and IFR fields supposed to hold in Impulse Tracker instruments? I can find nothing to say what value they should be set to and what they mean < 1339975621 580634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339975917 990805 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339976550 574782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Based on the few hints I've seen, I think they take a value 0..127, and then the most significant bit is set if the filter is enabled. So they can be 0..127 with no effect, and then 128..255 means the filter is on, i.e. enabled for a channel when the instrument is playing. And http://schismtracker.org/wiki/Resonant%20Filters kind-of documents how the 0..127 values get turned into filter ... < 1339976557 65114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... coefficients. < 1339976659 386679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that and/or the previous link. < 1339976663 852028 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339976705 917681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not very clear. But the modplug code is using the MSB as a flag whether to enable the filter. < 1339976756 967361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some claim modplug gets the actual filtering wrong, so that's probably not useful to look at, but I think they would get the part about IFC/IFR right.) < 1339976875 353952 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339977223 858674 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339977229 123518 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339977241 606310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the comments of the code of that schismtracker.org link, I believe "i" is 256*(IFC & 0x7f), and "d" (not same as the 'd' in the after-code text) is QualityFactorTable[IFR & 0x7f], but the earlier link (where that value is called 'p') gives an explicit formula instead of using the table: "p = 10^((-resonance*24.0)/(128.0f*20.0f))". < 1339977263 438976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where 'resonance' in that formula would again be IFR&0x7f. < 1339977305 845408 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339977307 86530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked if it matches the table, except that it does when resonance == 0, and p == 1.0. < 1339977452 853208 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339977491 355969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quite reasonable; the value 0.1 is (eyeball-measuring) about 20/24ths through the table, where it should be. < 1339977647 442772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since 'resonance' i.e. the table ranges 0..127, so res/128 is about 0..1, and therefore at 20/24ths down the table you should get 10^(-(20/24)*(24/20)) = 10^-1.) < 1339977778 624491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339978126 374579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how messy that code is, I'd probably start with just the rules in http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Impulse_Tracker#Resonant_filters after setting cutoff == IFC&0x7f and resonance == IFR&0x7f (and enabling the whole deal only if (IFC&0x80)||(IFR&0x80)). Or, well, in your case since you're not implementing it, you'd want to solve what you need IFC and IFR to be; that maybe needs ... < 1339978132 375844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... some thinking w.r.t. what sort of filter those rules implement. Though, honestly, this is such a corner-case feature, maybe you should just support it by letting the user define IFC and IFR as a value 0..127? I think that's what the real Impulse Tracker UI does, too. < 1339978212 395068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a slider that is labeled 0..127, and then you can slide it past the 0 notch to "off", in which case the MSB will be clear. < 1339978229 720354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I could be all wrong.) < 1339978624 55403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339978693 642922 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339978917 324189 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com AAAA 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: < 1339979347 391141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, old news < 1339979352 990818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olds even < 1339979353 498667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they just be left at zero for default, and then use 0x80-0xFF when a value is entered? < 1339979375 438345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could allow a value 0 to 127 to be entered, and add 128, and then use 0 if no value is entered at all < 1339979403 55640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, poor google. If only it had been base 17 instead... Then they could have done g00g1e < 1339979435 460901 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339979452 244783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gꙬgle.com < 1339979468 769658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that exist= < 1339979474 46099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339979482 73046 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it violates the rules about mixing scripts :/ < 1339979482 729843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1339979486 758191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, "Firefox kan inte hitta servern på www.xn--ggle-bn7o.com." < 1339979496 135218 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bork bork bork < 1339979499 828195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what? < 1339979506 999174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about it < 1339979508 981566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox can not find the server on www.xn--ggle-bn7o.com." < 1339979513 393991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it means < 1339979518 440240 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gathered as much < 1339979529 255073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, NOW YOU KNOW SOME SWEDISH < 1339979542 724260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339979587 613567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That sounds reasonable. < 1339979645 537648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could or 128 instead of adding it. Depending on the CPU that could theoretically be more optimal :P < 1339979661 739959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no need for any carry < 1339979663 577141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339979667 717777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They could still go with '600613', but it's not quite so recognizable. < 1339979668 162350 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more optimal" < 1339979673 630355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moptimal < 1339979684 132916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most pessimal" < 1339979684 293247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1339979696 672151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :least extremal < 1339979698 192021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well probably not in practise < 1339979717 388064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was not being serious, obviously) < 1339979722 658745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a comment on wording, not content. < 1339979726 207010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339979732 379633 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optimal" is an absolute < 1339979736 78965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1339979761 778575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to carry forward and what not both operations probably execute in one cycle anyway < 1339979766 980899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you understand what Vorpal meant? How do you think they should've phrased it? < 1339979776 339635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in this case "better" would work. < 1339979776 830118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did understand < 1339979780 727178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say "better" or "faster" < 1339979783 995248 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not a serious complaint < 1339979793 893719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also complain about "more unique"? < 1339979797 939363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1339979813 162750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do you complain about people saying PIN number or CD Disc? < 1339979817 3935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339979820 827900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT!? < 1339979821 320644 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i complain about the people who complain about that < 1339979824 85970 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate them < 1339979825 15988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339979827 482604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one :P < 1339979830 461963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because acronyms are words < 1339979836 863038 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the etymology of a word is not especially important to its usage < 1339979838 691898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more unique. Munich < 1339979854 901280 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore in many cases if you drop the "redundant" word, you end up with an awkward sentence < 1339979860 680724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, shouldn't it be uniquer? < 1339979873 369977 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take joy in ignoring arbitrary rules which only make language worse < 1339979873 530083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what about deader and deatest? < 1339979877 271946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadest* < 1339979881 45559 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the rule about splitting infinitives < 1339979887 841704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rule? < 1339979894 118771 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can I at least complain about Detective Comics Comics? < 1339979895 512490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a guideline < 1339979898 814004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say you can't split infinitives in english < 1339979904 170967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to boldly go" < 1339979904 331187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With PIN, it's sometimes a "personal PIN number". < 1339979909 862448 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in most languages an infinitive is one word < 1339979913 935160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: More like a 'stupid'. < 1339979915 458288 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... english is not most languages, who cares < 1339979916 509616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right that one is just silly < 1339979926 533215 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically in latin it's one word, and these people are bitter that they aren't speaking latin) < 1339979927 79357 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I will goddamn split all the infinitives I goddamn want. < 1339979928 285749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splitting infinitives is standard English usage. < 1339979928 485807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go where no man has gone before < 1339979935 636157 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm with coppro here < 1339979940 978618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well yeah. I boldly say what people didn't use to say before I guess < 1339979959 478616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even really *old* English usage. < 1339979959 735155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay that was awkward) < 1339979965 602065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all find a way to split infinitives while talking about how split infinitives are great < 1339979987 947566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, :D < 1339979993 313876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read a book called _Split Infinity_ < 1339979996 444722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it only became common more recently. < 1339979996 943373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was a pun on that? < 1339979998 629233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes of course I was planning to or 128 rather than add it < 1339979999 54397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. Who cares. < 1339980000 943054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think about it at the time. < 1339980011 360535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, XD < 1339980053 950872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it could enable some dynamic reordering in the CPU since it could help with dependencies on the MSB in that byte. In theory < 1339980073 312569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM ought to have a command which may do addition, OR, XOR, but it is not defined which. < 1339980082 354161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how so? < 1339980093 435396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very well defined usually < 1339980112 595283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases all three operations would lead to the same result < 1339980131 820049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway iirc the CPU only does dependencies on each byte of a register iirc < 1339980144 88529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some C programs I have written I have wanted to have such an instruction < 1339980187 433243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I very much doubt xor is good on most CPUs < 1339980194 607675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complex dependency handling < 1339980224 973153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you are xoring a register with itself, which means clear on x86 and is special cased in dependency analysis on sandy bridge at least) < 1339980237 886966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which the intel CPU for which I have read the docs in question) < 1339980263 520325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case I will use OR, but I am just saying that the result would be the same regardless, and the program that compiles the LLVM into the native code should decide what to use. < 1339980289 933306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339980307 888519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/fePD < 1339980313 361806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not only that; using this ambiguous instruction may also allow certain optimizations to be performed even before compiling to native code. < 1339980338 257376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1339980340 673026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK in .IT for multiple sample headings to point to the same audio data? < 1339980366 960113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't actually know if there are any; I just gave an example in case it is possible < 1339980374 524899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is up again? What was the issue? < 1339980382 625008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339980386 308433 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDD space < 1339980392 142799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339980410 939423 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly... PHP session files... < 1339980440 299640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't use PHP session files < 1339980444 307021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, shouldn't they be cleared out after a while? < 1339980453 236640 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hypothetically. < 1339980453 908828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not just set up a cron job for it < 1339980463 609992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :set up a cron job that looks at the atime < 1339980471 27418 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1339980472 31946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also why the fuck are you using php? < 1339980481 815633 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1339980485 801084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339980502 125676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, really I thought you would have used node.js since you are a js guy < 1339980508 123375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe perl < 1339980517 91073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wouldn't believe you as a php guy < 1339980522 207832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is one of the few languages worse than PHP. < 1339980526 481401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339980531 687918 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Node.js is a pain to use for simple web pages. < 1339980535 993295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339980537 356738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ for.*// < 1339980544 315984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339980547 198434 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair. < 1339980562 182619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did I link you to that video about node.js? < 1339980563 956719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd like it. < 1339980572 231071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't seen it. Link me < 1339980598 241664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the dumbest "anti-node.js" video ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1zzna-dNw < 1339980618 967641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke something involving hipsters < 1339980652 320338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just watch it, i'll give you a prize if you manage to make it through the whole thing < 1339980654 216320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1339980658 869720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm not going to then < 1339980690 415276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you telling me you don't thrive on stupid things < 1339980700 615047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think how much you could complain about it in here < 1339980701 505782 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a limited appetite for stupid things < 1339980712 71704 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise i thrive on cheesy fries but if i eat too many I will get sick < 1339980716 930566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cheesy chips for you UKians) < 1339980728 357079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy squeezy cheesy peas < 1339980728 585527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, i did not know what a fry was!!!!!! < 1339980735 792458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: glad i could help < 1339980736 321548 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The title is already promising... < 1339980741 511318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, really? < 1339980745 566695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339980747 1084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lied < 1339980748 383803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339980758 328172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: again, prize if you make it through the whole thing < 1339980767 800725 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at that kind of challenge. < 1339980775 813101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Perl and JavaScript and C and Haskell and so on are better than PHP. < 1339980780 705324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even make it through a whole episode of Everybody Loves Raymond. < 1339980782 514190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiee < 1339980784 832320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them can be used with webpages as well as other use. < 1339980785 453651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is horrible < 1339980805 992314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've yet to eat anything today. < 1339980810 86133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I eat? < 1339980818 299261 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheesy chips? < 1339980820 590242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you know JavaScript is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow? < 1339980829 16648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think how much you could be learning from that video! < 1339980842 552476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the person who made the video think you should use instead < 1339980851 661530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who cares < 1339980867 219330 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I love when people have voices worse than mine. < 1339980871 68999 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me feel warm and fuzzy. < 1339980881 401387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other videos from this guy include: Epson Booth Babes Do A Dance < 1339980886 41341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah this makes me want to buy an Epson printer. I mean how many do I have to buy to get a free booth babe? Conferences in Japan are so much sexier than the ones we have here. Girls performing dance routines are pretty common place for all sorts of products ranging from the latest cellphone to Epson printers. Even copy machine paper companies have dancing girls. < 1339980903 852828 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, he actually thinks JS is slow, doesn't he. < 1339980905 595573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :women can be bought and sold as property < 1339980906 484242 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a dumbshit. < 1339980906 920131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video is in 3D btw < 1339980907 113726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true facts < 1339980920 748687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't be sexist! < 1339980924 49615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i assume the rest of the video is even better but have not yet got to that part < 1339980925 286063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*People* can be bought and sold as property. < 1339980931 658855 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's your fault you got offended! < 1339980936 238604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339980936 622509 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLWUT < 1339980938 264964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. :-( < 1339980943 813871 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just a straight talking honest joe, telling it like it is < 1339980947 36268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-blocking" means it doesn't have to write to the hard drive! < 1339980949 293155 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy! < 1339980951 422121 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's so retarded! < 1339980954 380417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who could think that! < 1339980955 921472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i remembered that < 1339980959 170192 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're offended by my sexist/racist comments, it's your fault and you probably chose to be offended for a political reason < 1339980967 943271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339980968 719373 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1339980968 899627 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1339980976 939371 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that script < 1339980978 453324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently calculating pi is blocking. < 1339980985 101139 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this guy seriously has no fucking clue what he's talking about. < 1339980997 654903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js is cancer and the only cure is a massive dose of radiation < 1339981001 759716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably enough to kill all life on earth < 1339981027 679095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want something not stupid to read about node, i enjoyed nelhage's blog post < 1339981029 415546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is cancer. < 1339981030 690765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.nelhage.com/2012/03/why-node-js-is-cool/ < 1339981038 383089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Relay Cancer. < 1339981038 770548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: his hand movement is great < 1339981047 11453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just kind of waves it about when he realises he has no arguments < 1339981053 192393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/them/ < 1339981056 363566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: it's not about performance, dumbasses, it's about enforcing a standard, composable way to handle events < 1339981063 925406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What he says is true but also depressing. < 1339981064 409973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU EITHER HAVE TO BE READING THE DATA < 1339981067 546852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR YOU HAVE TO BE WRITING THE DATA < 1339981078 129871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS GOING TO BLOCK < 1339981078 657573 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urrrrgh, "real-time" is the only bit that's really an out-and-out lie, and he dismissed it as stupidly as everything else. < 1339981080 651121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way doesn't have to be "single threaded async with callbacks" but that's what node uses < 1339981089 81876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real-time! Well, it's JavaScript! < 1339981106 898336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed devices, eh, maybe. Maybe. < 1339981130 471656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have to agree with an "end-to-end JavaScript experience" not sounding like a good thing, though. < 1339981132 902189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is slow but so is PHP and Ruby and other interpreted programming languages (other than Forth). < 1339981143 136867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but this guy is SO, SO BAD. < 1339981162 59117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hard to tell whether that one's real." < 1339981168 930416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js: a CONSPIRACY OF LIES. < 1339981169 609677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor mad < 1339981180 346779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even particularly a fan of Node. < 1339981184 360927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just non-stupid. < 1339981198 133041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start a website whose whole premise is to post really stupid articles to make people like Gregor link to them. < 1339981201 773999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node requires its OWN HTTP SERVER < 1339981203 764904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And collect ad revenue. < 1339981207 266142 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DUN DUN DUN < 1339981217 827725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't just run, you know, Apache" < 1339981220 434836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of lightweight < 1339981228 449072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1339981233 935266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to install THEIR thing < 1339981236 137228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: javascript JITs do much better than popular implementations of PHP and Ruby < 1339981237 698697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1339981255 451424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a project trying to port node.js style to LuaJIT < 1339981256 665975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I watched it all. < 1339981257 277795 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cool idea < 1339981274 129069 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHERE'S MY FUCKING PRIZE < 1339981280 302001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your prize is everything you've learned about node.js < 1339981297 517479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it solve the part where you have to write in cps < 1339981307 493356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It doesn't follow the RFC model. < 1339981308 363945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Lua have coroutines? < 1339981310 830058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, yes. < 1339981320 987244 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339981333 902946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does it solve the part where you can't use any existing code that does any kind of non-trivial calculation < 1339981345 316902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean node.js isn't all bad or "hipster" or anything < 1339981351 21839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its concurrency stance is really kinda dumb < 1339981351 396911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Coöperative multitasking is a reasonable tradeoff. < 1339981377 641599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with Continuation CPS-passing style. < 1339981411 246942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It does when everything is callback-structured like node is. < 1339981417 589293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With coroutines, yes, it's less painful. < 1339981418 360892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not *necessarily*. < 1339981425 544823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have multiple threads handling events. < 1339981429 454331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still have to be careful about your computations. < 1339981433 929398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that would be kind of weird. < 1339981439 365470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That kind of defeats the point of node.js? < 1339981444 51226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I can tell this channel is a bunch of h8rs. < 1339981448 378584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, h8r < 1339981450 398540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our aim is most thoroughly hecked. < 1339981454 877821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: remember that guy! < 1339981468 590671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think they know we're still mocking them < 1339981475 751934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. < 1339981483 380846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not one of us < 1339981493 868225 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339981495 706323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but either way compiled programming languages generally work faster and may not use as much memory as interpreter < 1339981507 543891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So use a compiled programming language < 1339981518 207132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, C and Haskell < 1339981528 580876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JITs can produce better code < 1339981679 77238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a compiled programming language < 1339981683 663236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are haskell interpreters < 1339981738 45159 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1339981747 223294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_ais523_speedy2 >>>>>>>>(>[-[++[---]]])*21 < 1339981750 19113 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_ais523_speedy2: 25.3 < 1339981819 875791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Haskell can be interpreted as well as compiled; it is commonly used both ways. C is almost always compiled, although there is C interpreter as well. < 1339981871 208926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an x86 REPL. < 1339981964 278626 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: DEBUG.COM? < 1339981981 52632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an x86_64 REPL. < 1339982041 982298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation ->->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982044 571425 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 36.6 < 1339982050 648334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982053 266743 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 37.1 < 1339982084 999885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<-->>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982087 694229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 37.6 < 1339982108 893608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi hi < 1339982111 617754 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hi: 8.4 < 1339982112 85994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*16<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982114 667682 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 37.7 < 1339982196 305933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Out of speed < 1339982350 16470 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1339982494 723510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*15[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982497 468001 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 38.7 < 1339982538 967081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339982541 622940 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.8 < 1339982576 935155 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339983253 453313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*4(+)*10<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339983256 160535 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 45.7 < 1339983272 537520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*4(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339983275 105028 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 45.8 < 1339983300 731518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*10<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339983303 341763 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 45.6 < 1339983310 910370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*4<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339983313 615102 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 45.6 < 1339983328 187172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*24 ]++)*25 < 1339983330 832179 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.8 < 1339983336 65519 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339983348 765807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hello h+e+l+l+o+..... < 1339983351 483673 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hello: 10.2 < 1339983371 209704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be exactly seven, exactly 3 away to work...more or less hurts it < 1339983666 151752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: use ais' constant-tweaking program already < 1339983667 374787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1339983829 455470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. < 1339983831 59756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1339983833 606872 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1339983833 766650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That node.js guy thinks people use CGI instead. < 1339983850 593015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He explicitly says it at the end of the video. < 1339983855 880701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And < 1339983856 248134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1339983856 664032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CGI is the Common Gateway Interface. It is how almost every Web Server on the planet works. Rather than doing something elaborate you just "print" to the http port. There may be a buffer, or not, but essentially it is no different than outputting to the command line. < 1339983857 167738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1339983878 458008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CGI? Are you from 1995? < 1339983878 617759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :businessgeek 1 month ago < 1339983878 617956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, But RFC 3875 is the model for almost all web serving. CGI is not the same as .CGI files it is a standard for the communication between server and client. < 1339983878 618065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlackwaterOpsDotCom in reply to businessgeek 1 month ago < 1339983896 992802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy must be some kind of troll. < 1339984047 52642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : A - a +2,+4 ring of slaying (1.0 aum) < 1339984049 440430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339984050 649597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1339984069 897611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring channel < 1339984789 717450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_ais523_definder2 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/c41abe18a522/ais523_definder2.bfjoust < 1339984793 922014 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_ais523_definder2: 20.9 < 1339984800 455376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad day < 1339984849 715055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_ais523_definder http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/aa2598db68b0/ais523_definder.bfjoust < 1339984853 719311 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_ais523_definder: 25.9 < 1339984899 377448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_ais523_definder2 < < 1339984901 995771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_ais523_definder2: 0.0 < 1339985240 393098 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_suicide < < 1339985243 137634 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_return_of_suicide: 0.0 < 1339985551 590664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so remember interior_crocodile_alligator < 1339985594 469072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes of course < 1339985613 424751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how many orders of magnitude has making a viable warrior become since then < 1339985615 776558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the spiritual successor of anti-space_elevator < 1339985628 575512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably the origination of the reverse offset clear < 1339985632 901601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1339985636 367352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha really < 1339985641 200218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really < 1339985642 217325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intend < 1339985642 615019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1339985688 822731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: making a viable warrior doesnt' *progress* does it? it's all rock-paper-scissors :P < 1339985702 16976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: of course it progresses in the skill you need < 1339985721 530638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator and all of the modern warriors are vastly more complicated to beat than 2009's warriors were < 1339985739 843811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes i know < 1339985749 59380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still haven't studied the hill have you? < 1339985756 519479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recently < 1339985758 877783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never did < 1339985763 109136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/YULh < 1339985801 798958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never made your chevrolet_movie_theater < 1339985812 18070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's what i'll call this next one < 1339985813 127704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1339985813 356968 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339985819 553244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldnt take you long, if you even cared to learn < 1339985829 718956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't learn, i just put the pieces together until it works < 1339985847 231833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people and your bfjoust program names < 1339985863 659834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik < 1339985909 942398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_elliott_interior_crocodile_alligator (>)*9([-[++[(-)*128([-{([+{[-]}])%64}])%64]]]>)*20(-)*128 < 1339985912 523210 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_return_of_elliott_interior_crocodile_alligator: 24.2 < 1339985915 777372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339985916 656993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bad? < 1339985917 173480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad! < 1339985922 251695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's on the hill again < 1339985926 986885 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm speechless < 1339985928 90354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did it get pushed off < 1339985931 604374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not at the bottom < 1339985933 239728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1339985956 194722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i mean last time < 1339985957 777777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: near the end of last february < 1339985966 244517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? no it was on when werecat revived things < 1339985969 437661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :16th or 17th < 1339985971 829340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339985977 797201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it had been revived again < 1339985982 493556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :between then and now < 1339985985 708414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know exactly < 1339986023 406971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does still beat space_elevator at least :P < 1339986055 106007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339986055 503656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing i can do against a clear that ridiculous < 1339986055 679450 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1339986055 839954 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ < 1339986080 581846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if i tell you my plan will you promise not to counter it/plan how to before i unleash it on the hill < 1339986205 383563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if i can use the results myself if they are awesome enough :P < 1339986233 262542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good plan < 1339986239 304012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it? < 1339986273 540948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok the plan is < 1339986280 44789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that < 1339986283 438300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) is not a fast rush, yet < 1339986286 554881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) uses *no* decoys whatsoever < 1339986300 717410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have several sub-ideas to try on top of this structure < 1339986400 447253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what's a good standard representative few warriors to test things out with egojsout < 1339986418 198489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/aSVX < 1339986455 482474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean? < 1339986465 63559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i need to test my warriors against other things with egojsout as i develop < 1339986466 373400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i work < 1339986467 405162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incrementally < 1339986475 559848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are a few warriors that are representative of the strategies used on the current hill < 1339986477 397662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone do anything special for father's day? < 1339986478 872296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i can use to develop my program with < 1339986492 569412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: insidious2 and atehwa_test_blah for fast rush < 1339986504 858943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program will inevitably lose to fast rushes < 1339986519 319098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: or did you misread my (a) < 1339986520 109459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffspg, ffldg, and lead_acetate_philip < 1339986532 584488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesnt have to! if it defends < 1339986532 894852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i meant like a list of 3 programs :P < 1339986540 341318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega_turtle < 1339986545 328536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyscraper < 1339986548 38446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 < 1339986550 780717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shudderlock < 1339986553 703016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just go spelevator, whichever one werecat's top is < 1339986555 144793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counterpoke < 1339986557 376320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one other, probably ais523's top < 1339986566 669196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do well agaisnt those < 1339986568 533978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are set < 1339986572 183602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it will not be a conventional defence program < 1339986613 282080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i gave you 8 names out of 47. you really do need to understand those in order to do well. < 1339986632 812213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10 if you count the fast rushes you say you care naught about) < 1339986689 674817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how did it get so late < 1339986792 521520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you don't understand < 1339986795 529413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote ica understanding no programs < 1339986848 204372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (>)*12 beats spelevator on one tape length < 1339986848 880119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1339986865 484966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprising < 1339986870 89046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1339986871 690745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs off the tape < 1339986872 128934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339986891 493965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that extra step saves it hundreds of cycles against other programs < 1339986897 371879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes up for the few times it suicides < 1339986932 410256 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i mentioned it in the writeup < 1339986984 623305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After it returns to build this extra decoy, it assumes it must be on a longer tape and rushes ahead to two spaces ahead of where it knows it is safe to go. This causes it to suicide against some opponents on certain tape lengths, but successfully compensates for the fact that it builds far fewer decoys in this situation by ignoring some of the opponent's decoys." < 1339987039 257637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also you prove my point. ica never did well. :P < 1339987067 845690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339987073 986028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as john's programs never did well...he actively avoids looking at other programs on the hill < 1339987115 254052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he should update that retro programming article eh < 1339987130 908568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: uh it was top 5 for a while iirc < 1339987170 976934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont recall that. in any case, it doesnt suck as much as everything else you've submitted, so that's cool < 1339987176 899079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee thanks < 1339987183 83571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339987332 186177 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make me eat my words. write a champion. < 1339987342 157707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'l lnever write a champion < 1339987401 240948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spikedmath.com/498.html < 1339987455 348336 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339987460 868117 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339987855 163918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ica does not beat counterpoke. counterpoke is a beast. < 1339987858 579169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how many tape lengths do you think is reasonable to sacrifice < 1339987876 716247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as many as increases your score < 1339987888 301251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how many would you design around < 1339987908 339856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure in what sense you mean to sacrifice them < 1339987920 297646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by potentially suiciding? < 1339987966 363152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :skipping more than one or two cells ahead tends to cause lowering of score, but of course, the actual optimal value depends on the rest of the program < 1339987973 602603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: by definitely suiciding < 1339987993 198909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like, using a rule-of-11 at the beginning or somet? < 1339988050 565920 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339988052 913357 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339988053 136455 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339988053 296488 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339988065 222040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right < 1339988102 949771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesnt gain you much, but if you expect to lose short tapes anyway, it also doesnt hurt < 1339988103 109700 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339988124 237042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps more w/o yr dumb score changes < 1339988125 443682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah ais523 < 1339988130 132907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argue my side in this argument please < 1339988131 379799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the wiki < 1339988162 868744 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339988218 636397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339988297 56913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you know it helps more w/o score changes < 1339988334 127527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the lengths you sacrifice don't count against you < 1339988339 70082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you win the rest < 1339988355 194908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1339988365 165280 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just perhaps by not as much (depending on opponent) < 1339988370 942881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1339988399 882460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the current system, the number of lengths you win is factored into your points, which is a part of the score < 1339988437 663752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the current system, losing on a tape length hurts you equally no matter how good your opponent < 1339988455 32262 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the new system it would hurt you more if you lost a tape length to a bad opponent < 1339988474 104588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the number of lengths you win is factored into your points" wait, it is? < 1339988479 925565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1339988484 274165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current system is broken too then < 1339988516 808191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else has always thought it worked p well < 1339988625 432442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everyone" includes me, so no < 1339988647 778331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered the fact that in a fixed-point winner-take-all system, all someone has to do get the highest possible score (thereby leaving everyone else with a score of 0.0) is to barely beat every other program? < 1339988649 905473 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339988662 235381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a whole lot easier than beating every other program on every length and polarity < 1339988689 338454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i very much doubt anyone can write a program which beats every other one with current skills < 1339988695 676890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339988698 384466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to try < 1339988706 954174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it's a momentous event and the scores will be messed whatever happens < 1339988880 353713 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339988913 553128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes it's difficult, but it's been done before and i think it could happen again < 1339988935 810133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and if it does, no program except the champion gets ranked. it's a degenerate case. < 1339988962 806737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the hill had 100 programs on it, i would agree with you that it was essentially impossible) < 1339989108 907778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that program has essentially obliterated the competitoin < 1339989113 333243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is broken < 1339989117 639557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need to do to fix it is beat it < 1339989152 632544 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are okay with the game being broken just because one program is good? < 1339989170 491229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda like the idea that even in that situation, we'd still have meaningful rankings < 1339989174 812103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1339989179 911400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one program beats every other program then yes the game is in dire trouble < 1339989257 106609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1339989280 139875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if "beats" is defined as "wins more than loses against" < 1339989294 665773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is almost certainly losing on *some* lengths and polarities < 1339991743 548806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If I played a roguelike would you watch? < 1339991768 336568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what roguelike would it be < 1339991775 559688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1339991815 286085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about: rogue < 1339991819 449836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogue is boring < 1339991820 840718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played it < 1339991826 316658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about: nethack < 1339991830 592677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also boring < 1339991840 586796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about: robotfindskitten < 1339991881 489680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a single-player zen experience < 1339991882 568147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play Light < 1339991885 256854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd watch that < 1339991914 328346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about crawl heavy :'( < 1339991920 266550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year someone mentioned a hill for short programs, and i think that's actually a good idea. easy to implement too: just make an identical hill to egojoust, but change the command for it so it doesn't accept URLs anymore. < 1339991925 4969 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"6321 data requests < 1339991925 273628 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :93% of data requests fully or partially complied with < 1339991926 871238 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1339991935 151594 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We received a request from the Passport Canada office to remove a YouTube video of a Canadian citizen urinating on his passport and flushing it down the toilet. We did not comply with this request." < 1339991940 169671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not easy to implement < 1339991945 202204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to add a special-case to egobot's inner code < 1339992025 27635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think this < 1339992040 363279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i have read egobot's code < 1339992041 466164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this < 1339992044 297853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the urls work for every command < 1339992045 489200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just one < 1339992050 124293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what evidence do you have for your position < 1339992055 66052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking at the code < 1339992073 49393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1339992081 141095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you're right, it's still easy to implement < 1339992094 547717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a line to the command that truncates the file :P < 1339992100 304773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think a hill for short programs is good < 1339992105 531417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most long programs just want better macro facilities < 1339992108 483254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are "short" at heart < 1339992115 916365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1339992133 987195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it would be fun to see what people could do with compression < 1339992142 956618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever trickier < 1339992146 599617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trickery < 1339992208 188339 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i do still support the idea of adding c-style macros to bfjoust syntax) < 1339992214 828069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, it's ugly :( < 1339992348 727771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly? < 1339992367 53808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make them unugly by changing the syntax < 1339992420 219553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: ADOM < 1339992435 604103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact! "adom" is the Hebrew word for "red". < 1339992577 655167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ADOM is awful. But I'll watch it. < 1339992581 894256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ADOM server. < 1339992596 346313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is? < 1339992607 406773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339992611 902411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme find it < 1339992618 435055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would you watch Zork Zero? < 1339992626 263679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I'd watch ADOM. < 1339992643 157544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Jaakkos'_server < 1339992649 547000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you watch Zork: Grand Inquisitor? < 1339992662 422731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339992682 165538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the server is down. < 1339992686 542188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's against my principles to play ADOM anyway. < 1339992749 636831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's possible under Windows to monitor and, I believe, intercept calls to external libraries, much like under Linux. However, ADOM is a DOS program, so that doesn't help any. (There is a Windows port of ADOM, but it's only in beta.) DOS doesn't have external libraries - all of the functions that ADOM Sage needs to monitor and intercept are inside the code, so getting at them would require disassembling ADOM. (This is an oversimplification - see < 1339992749 796687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the section on DOS for details.) < 1339992749 956709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead ADOM Sage takes the Linux version of ADOM and makes it run under Windows. Windows allows a program to set up its address space to match that of a Linux program, and in most other respects (function calling conventions, register usage, structure padding, instruction set, etc.) Windows and Linux are identical, so this isn't too difficult to do. Additionally, Linux programs (like Windows programs) contain detailed information about functi < 1339992752 631446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ons that they expect the operating system to provide, so ADOM Sage can redirect those function requests to Windows or to its own internal routines. < 1339992755 677646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows programs do differ from Linux programs in how they allocate stack space. So ADOM Sage simply takes allocates all available stack space before doing anything else. A bit wasteful on memory, but it's simple and effective." < 1339992763 466437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Running a Linux program under Windows consists of interpreting the ELF file format used by Linux programs, loading the program into the Windows program's address space, and then transferring control to the Linux program, redirecting any requests for Linux library functions to equivalent Windows functions. ADOM uses two libraries - libc and ncurses. Most of libc's functions are available in Microsoft's C runtime library. Functions from ncurses ar < 1339992764 464390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e handled by PDCurses; I had to hack PDCurses to make it more compatible with ncurses. (For these purposes it's not enough to be compatible at the source level - macros, constants, and structure layouts all have to match so that code is compatible at the binary level.)" < 1339992768 231463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You were so preempted. < 1339992770 329814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: By a madperson. < 1339992836 273494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: telnet light.bitprayer.com < 1339992899 262662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hah. < 1339992923 996346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I told you, man, principles. < 1339992967 730315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then the answer is no, i won't watch you play a roguelike < 1339992969 809508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next question < 1339992976 423553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about NetHack? < 1339992981 309507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! What about SLASH'EM? < 1339992987 448452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no and no < 1339992997 324076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, I'd be so bad at SLASH'EM. < 1339993001 1566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played it in years. < 1339993005 260387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was never very good. < 1339993006 529266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stupid game < 1339993021 689550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC IS A STUPID GAME < 1339993093 597015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you have any intention of actually playing any of these when you pinged me < 1339993106 411062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1339993110 371199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no then < 1339993110 594235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1339993112 185081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd play SLASH'EM or NetHack. < 1339993116 242775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or robotfindskitten. < 1339993120 965526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ADOM. < 1339993234 988926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those games are boring and one is boring to watch < 1339993363 210505 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339993376 233743 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-238.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339993383 962047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-63.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339993464 35201 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the only winning move is not to play < 1339993472 461657 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we've already established that i'm a Loser < 1339993480 716622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a Loser? < 1339993500 125131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from the blog article series i keep talking about < 1339993506 388122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ < 1339993512 549565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you be a �oser instead? < 1339993514 109698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm intoxicated by the idea that this amusing, somewhat farcical mainstream sitcom is actually a coded guide to sociopathic realpolitik at the highest levels < 1339993519 176720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's a non-BMP character right there. < 1339993523 754912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D543 < 1339993524 783073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that came through as a replacement character < 1339993531 129732 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1339993550 60737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh translates any character which is unknown by the locale into the replacement character < 1339993564 64901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it needs to know the width of each character < 1339993587 378666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Unicode doesn't have MATHEMATICAL SCRIPT CAPITAL L? < 1339993598 34233 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1339993610 813794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is weird. < 1339993614 865652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D4A6 MATHEMATICAL SCRIPT CAPITAL K [�] < 1339993615 25730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D4A9 MATHEMATICAL SCRIPT CAPITAL N [�] < 1339993623 133410 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is SCRIPT CAPITAL L < 1339993631 847184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal also renders K and N but not 1D4A7 < 1339993632 513683 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/MathML2/script.html < 1339993644 294554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i think some of them were included in the BMP < 1339993644 454355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ℒoser" < 1339993646 514601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not the same. < 1339993649 827519 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest are "MATHEMATICAL" < 1339993651 669294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but I can't find this one. < 1339993653 391964 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that one < 1339993660 604686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the situation with the DOUBLE-STRUCK letters. < 1339993673 406339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it's the same thing here. < 1339993717 210901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02117 SOUND RECORDING COPYRIGHT [℗] < 1339993742 889149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 < 1339994043 757918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02247 NEITHER APPROXIMATELY NOR ACTUALLY EQUAL TO [≇] < 1339994056 541377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\scumbagmathematician{invents a way to write bold letters on blackboard}{uses it in print to mean something different from bold} < 1339994061 119085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd better start using that for things taht are *really* different. < 1339994062 495643 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -_- < 1339994070 42673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02246 APPROXIMATELY BUT NOT ACTUALLY EQUAL TO [≆] < 1339994073 485986 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "actually but not approximately equal to" < 1339994088 828302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't like blackboard bold < 1339994097 123534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott opinions < 1339994132 890920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1B48F BASICALLY THE SAME THING AS FOR ANYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT [�] < 1339994155 223308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : im opine < 1339994156 915360 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�▂▃▄▅▆▇█ ＵＮＩＣＯＤＥ █▇▆▅▄▃▂� < 1339994175 211186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unique ode < 1339994188 6351 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :░░░░▒▒▒▒▓▓▓▓████ < 1339994386 225459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1A037 ANYONE REALLY BEEN FAR EVEN AS DECIDED TO USE EVEN GO WANT TO DO LOOK MORE LIKE [�] < 1339994420 990725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i admit i giggled < 1339994516 500094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM [ﯹ] < 1339994529 287574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I win on length! < 1339994537 343581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that' sreal < 1339994539 590079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's real < 1339994555 854643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite is still GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER SPIDERY HA < 1339994559 614325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⱒ < 1339994560 140531 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://blognomic.com/archive/a_new_era1/ < 1339994569 878368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uighur please < 1339994585 950182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nice < 1339994593 361034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: upset that you had to justify a core rules scam < 1339994617 679602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these great non-BMP codepoints I can't use in here. :-( < 1339994648 264115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why can't you us ethem < 1339994660 866148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because my IRCthing ir borken!< < 1339994745 178442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00753 ARABIC LETTER BEH WITH THREE DOTS POINTING UPWARDS BELOW AND TWO DOTS ABOVE [ݓ] < 1339994748 183251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00753 ARABIC LETTER BEH WITH THREE DOTS POINTING UPWARDS BELOW AND TWO DOTS ABOVE [ݓ] < 1339994762 479150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" < 1339994794 618893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :01F9E GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH PSILI AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI [ᾞ] < 1339994819 219851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F502 CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS WITH CIRCLED ONE OVERLAY does get pretty long too. < 1339994831 547129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339994834 885429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's non-BMP. < 1339994844 733549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call things that aren't in the BMP? < 1339994846 38662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMP? < 1339994860 615608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG? < 1339994863 835410 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1339994875 786819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0FE3D PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL LEFT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET [︽] < 1339994901 487126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D1CE MUSICAL SYMBOL TEMPUS IMPERFECTUM CUM PROLATIONE IMPERFECTA DIMINUTION-3. < 1339994930 200905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds sci-fi. < 1339994971 939077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F402 OX [] < 1339994993 227188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that real < 1339995001 827313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "astral" < 1339995003 556757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1339995036 752281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02A92 GREATER-THAN ABOVE LESS-THAN ABOVE DOUBLE-LINE EQUAL [⪒] < 1339995051 623287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes; the two preceding characters are DIMINUTION-1 and DIMINUTION-2. < 1339995088 781742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i approve < 1339995097 479750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get an up-to-date Unicode list of symbols file thing? < 1339995138 39973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you can buy Unicode 6.1 as a book. < 1339995141 956118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 692-page volume may be purchased from Lulu.com for $15.96, plus shipping. < 1339995156 653738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where can I get an up-to-date Unicode list of symbols file thing? < 1339995156 822711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt to be up to date, since it doesn't mention a version. < 1339995159 676378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a textfile somewhere on - yeah < 1339995187 195806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ew, what a terrible format. < 1339995191 910497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lacks the sample letters, though. < 1339995193 209574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to write a few lines of code to parse it. < 1339995199 187992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a fewlines" < 1339995200 315084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*few lines < 1339995201 516322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one line of perl < 1339995234 649157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALF A LINE OF PROLOG < 1339995249 388438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code should be measured in cache lines instead of code lines. < 1339995263 99971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 1000 Lines of Cache. < 1339995278 490765 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339995291 885514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you explain the format please? < 1339995312 812522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339995316 182172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe fizzie can < 1339995327 696225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you explain the format please? < 1339995362 292085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First and second columns are code point and the name, for the most part. < 1339995373 421467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for the most part" < 1339995377 766942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Columns are separated by ;. Other columns are boring. < 1339995404 733650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, control characters have in there and name in column 11 or something. < 1339995415 856104 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1339995743 172858 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1339995798 476534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339996176 275489 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1339996255 336119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer to specify the altitude by sea level or relative to center of the Earth? < 1339996688 863256 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339997168 533776 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-213.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339997442 96309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I like how you got a CfJ to invalidate your scam immediately afterwards. < 1339997447 543250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Title "Because I dislike core rules scams". < 1339997454 998575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlogNomic: the worst nomic. < 1339997476 759328 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah but it didn't get a single FOR vote < 1339997476 965304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Its there so that if enough people would rather not have you win, we have that option. There is no fair play rule against this either. Please don’t be a hypocrite and call this “petty� while exposing core rules scams. < 1339997477 125652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1339997487 846680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't clucky whining a lot about the agoran scam too < 1339997490 197988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("scam") < 1339997509 528683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Personally, I think core rules are still just rules, so scams are still valid." < 1339997513 127093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey maybe there is hope forBN < 1339997514 319311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for BN < 1339997574 139616 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1339997576 831635 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was < 1339997593 582954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right < 1339997597 722134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: scam clucky out of the game < 1339998281 247286 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-210.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339998413 217217 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339998630 366298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i admire your use of hash consing on the lazy evaluation talk page < 1339998711 159821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1339998746 832475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_consing < 1339998758 227804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Lazy_evaluation < 1339998800 41531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know whatoihe hasoih cosicnsoign is < 1339998803 345607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okew oiy i ghetio it noaiwe < 1339998828 262717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing you know how to type < 1339998859 241219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: myabe migrate sil talk here < 1339998868 171772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised it was in #crawligithio oops < 1339998911 426930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339998914 496940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1339998969 897432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops < 1339998982 534722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY OERJAN AIS523 FIZZIE < 1339998986 68586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1339999111 344784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millions of ops per second can be handled by today's computational machines. < 1339999158 578583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can "handle" several ops per second.
< 1339999171 150373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /mode #esoteric +o elliott < 1339999751 680943 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com PART #esoteric :"..." < 1340000247 533622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Remember AOL keywords? < 1340000288 695591 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340000342 117772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were the days. :-( < 1340000374 458214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1340000404 570438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed in .IT file for multiple sample headings to point to the same address of the audio data? < 1340000545 435675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the above were part-time activities he assumed in conjunction with his primary position as Director of the Computer Networks Division ("Division 7") of the Information Sciences Institute at the University of Southern California.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16] < 1340002181 655352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I doubt that's actually been specified anywhere, but I'd *guess* it's likely to work in most (if not all) players. < 1340002624 941575 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340002635 346235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was connected all night < 1340002636 695313 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340002637 241869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340003062 817799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which players would it not work with? < 1340003082 516062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, I haven't tested. It might easily work with all. < 1340003472 565853 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340004137 996209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally got my gf addicted to xkcd < 1340004145 828193 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1340004173 901488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it's not Ctrl-Alt-Delete < 1340004224 470614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know if any existing files use that? < 1340004271 286783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: new xkcd or old xkcd? < 1340004300 528797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, she's pressing random and linking me to the ones she likes < 1340004380 95371 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: get her on smbc instead < 1340004422 865812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340004518 793719 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"show her goatkcd" < 1340004566 404246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340004577 809686 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly smbc has a lot of crap strips too < 1340004578 920368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :goattkcd does tend to be about x times funnier < 1340004581 734503 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because it updates every day < 1340004590 361663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bad ones don't annoy me as much < 1340004594 357450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smbc's tone is a lot less annoying < 1340004599 66823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: signal to oise ratio is fairly high < 1340004609 896595 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people generally aren't like "zomg smbc embodies everything about being a nerd" < 1340004626 800790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus zach weiner is accessible and interesting as an online persona < 1340004631 161339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty honest to what it claims to be / what people think it is < 1340004638 11715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an entertainer without pretention or angst < 1340004656 828442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, could this multiple pointing to same address be used to make just intonation if the C5Speed is adjusted? < 1340004728 454685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard < 1340004753 18952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other uses would be to change loops, or to start a sample at a different position than normal, or different vibrato) < 1340004775 95596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you like XKCD before it was mainstream? < 1340004777 12446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: youd have to add a parameter for what key itistuned in then < 1340004818 20717 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, i liked it starting when it became mainstream and for a while after that < 1340004839 551887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I found out about it when seemingly all my other friends did < 1340004849 471129 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it 'went viral' as they say < 1340004859 210538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe my friends are not "mainstream" < 1340004875 796691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main St. Ream < 1340004890 51858 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say the era of "every slide deck about a software project must have one xkcd strip in it" was a bit later < 1340004916 987654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a period when it seemed like every blog -- regardless of their normal content -- would repost xkcd strips as they came out < 1340004966 391438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: How do you mean? < 1340004994 711118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I think I know what you meant < 1340005083 588423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there would be a way to input what key it is tuned in if you want to make just intonation; but that does not need to be saved tothe .IT file < 1340005395 686977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think Impulse Tracker itself writes that kind of files, at least, but I'm not sure. < 1340005438 593563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perhaps Impulse Tracker doesn't, but does any other program do so, or only my own program ITMCK? < 1340005446 327302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you add a user to a group i forgot help < 1340005591 114525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :usermod -a -G < 1340005595 617125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx Gregor < 1340005596 974609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fizzie now < 1340005601 238585 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the -a or you'll regret it. < 1340005606 991649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it do < 1340005623 244535 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overwrite the users groups with ONLY the one listed (i.e., remove them from all other groups) < 1340005639 247422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1340005642 694042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux design < 1340005672 726455 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that's inherited from something, probably Solaris. < 1340005840 899129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: after i do that how do i get a new termina lwith that group active < 1340005864 598363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Painfully. If you just need one terminal, I usually just let su do it for me, i.e. su - < 1340005868 684095 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise log out and back in. < 1340005889 601520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are standard terminals not login terminals < 1340005890 744579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc? < 1340005913 911899 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a login terminal is not sufficient, that couldn't magically give it groups it didn't inherit. < 1340005938 559052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to su, you can just 'newgrp'. < 1340005945 306356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know groups are a property of a process, not of a user? < 1340005946 547830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:46 "My friend's brother's ex-wife's uncle's old schoolmate inherited some < 1340005946 707852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : money, bought shares of Decos Bananas Co. and became a millionaire. I < 1340005947 548797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : think of it as an example of how anyone can become rich and happy if he < 1340005949 549248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : tries hard enough." < 1340005963 907022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, there's a command I didn't know exists. < 1340005979 539665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not especially any better. < 1340005999 929317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the groups come from /bin/login < 1340006004 283531 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is setuid and so can confer them < 1340006024 301218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really meant for changing the actual group ID, but ISTR it can be used to refresh the supplementary groups too. < 1340006070 572387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also tries to add the group to the user groupset" that sort of thing. < 1340007136 541402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do you need "a+b" to concatenate strings? You can always just "new StringBuffer().add(a).add(b).toString()", which is just as easy to write." < 1340007154 558876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I hope it's a troll :) < 1340007173 325893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you press + in a Java IDE that's what you get, right? < 1340007194 680952 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like if you press a+b in a C compiler, you get "add %rax, %rdx" < 1340007201 969082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java IDEs are pretty good. < 1340007219 504613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Java is a secret plan to improve the state of tools for working with code. < 1340007224 44702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope so < 1340007225 413306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's just unworkable any other way. < 1340007236 895226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see http://www.eclipse.org/xtend/ ? < 1340007240 520076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out about "dependency injection" recently. < 1340007248 800468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what it apparently actually means. < 1340007254 171685 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of these "better Java than Java" projects < 1340007274 258838 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting because it comes from the Eclipse people and so good tool support is a top priority < 1340007333 398693 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits into some Eclipse magic sauce where you can define your own DSL or syntactic extensions to Java and get not only a compiler to JVM but full Eclipse support basically for free < 1340007401 331315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howcome in Haskell, when there is a value that would be discarded, () is used instead of ⊥? < 1340007413 210103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to type :) < 1340007439 334707 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you see both < 1340007440 102868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should be ⊤ < 1340007441 236197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i didnt say that < 1340007442 242318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1340007445 132886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop assuming im idiots you fuckers < 1340007452 397076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i say something silly i'm quoting someone else :( < 1340007466 872996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Obviously, and I'm just responding with something equally silly. < 1340007467 246645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the elliott defes < 1340007474 91928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/nse"/ < 1340007480 703622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't forget the quotes when you quote < 1340007489 435335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STOP ASSUMING GREGOR IS IDIOTS < 1340007489 978227 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought this was like "should forever :: M a -> M b or forever :: M a -> M ()" < 1340007504 879830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :M a -> M Void < 1340007507 534512 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1340007514 452692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1340007518 973690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very important the quotes are not present < 1340007523 992615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should use Void because then i can use edwardk's 'void' package to inject insidious memory corruption bugs into your program < 1340007579 515079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of insidiosity, when's that contest happening? < 1340007586 74306 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time t < 1340007589 612532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would like to enter. < 1340007633 311382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know that foo.chr doesn't work in Ruby for foo > 255? < 1340007643 336412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340007644 854894 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1340007647 191980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell you do something like [foo].pack('U'), where 'U' means UTF-8. < 1340007662 560840 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340007663 735285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[256].pack('U')[0].ord == 256 < 1340007666 896430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very perl-ish solution < 1340007668 522128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what are the memory corruption bugs < 1340007698 35962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/void/0.5.6/doc/html/src/Data-Void.html < 1340007698 864747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the GHC optimized implementation of 'vacuous' is unsound if you use type families < 1340007719 839650 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that type constructors are parametric < 1340007722 695807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, nice < 1340007725 864329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why don't you tell edwardk < 1340007727 618802 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1340007729 329254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't care < 1340007732 989167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1340007742 261529 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1340007743 795855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll bug him about it more next time i see him < 1340007746 37429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340007758 39123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the clarifi compiler has only parametric type constructors or something < 1340007762 297736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so how do you do the bug < 1340007772 330027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what the fuck is clarifi doing having their own fp language and compiler < 1340007775 983910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You do the bug by doing /msg edwardk VOID IS BROKEN < 1340007796 500060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"void is broken" < 1340007799 50545 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very deep. < 1340007800 255058 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it assumes you can unsafely coerce a «f Void» to a «f a» because the container must be empty, so to speak < 1340007815 239430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right < 1340007817 71639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you exploit it < 1340007818 382704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340007820 95420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family Foo a < 1340007823 887845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family Foo Void = () < 1340007825 203979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just declare a type family that's different on Void. < 1340007827 480110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family Foo Int = Int < 1340007830 241903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340007834 319670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coerce Foo Void to Foo Int < 1340007834 727153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1340007840 837407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have this suspicion that type families are completely broken < 1340007843 199594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this strengthens it < 1340007863 576178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: actually Foo does not quite work < 1340007865 143694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you need fmap < 1340007868 823848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can a type family be Functor < 1340007871 329122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1340007877 780384 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did write an exploit for this < 1340007888 577919 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/52660 < 1340007889 567745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how does it work since you can't do Functor < 1340007900 870522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Functor Foo < 1340007901 866108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1340007912 537357 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data family, not type family < 1340007919 560708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it should do fmap `seq` unsafeCoerce < 1340007923 884804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't there a newtype family. :-( < 1340007934 113504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: really your code is broken because it disobeys functor laws < 1340007939 261478 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *rolls eyes* < 1340007947 330072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, memory corruption is a valid response to that, according to the report, iirc < 1340007950 171079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340007951 17089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not an ideal one < 1340007958 394007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the report explicitly allows compilers to assume e.g. the monad laws < 1340007959 63448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1340007960 560361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1340007963 360570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it and was shocked < 1340007964 951482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true < 1340007966 527366 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i request chapter and verse < 1340007975 303578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk grep it < 1340007980 283647 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can do newtype instances of data families < 1340007983 130443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't there a one-page version of the report? < 1340007984 102786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you < 1340007990 534716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can? < 1340007995 934122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried it once and it didn't work. < 1340008007 131730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might be wrong. < 1340008032 479746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1340008032 857342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonMarlow says: This is the largest program (in terms of memory requirements) I've ever seen anyone run using GHC. In fact there was no machine in our building capable of running it, I had to < 1340008033 37663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire up the largest Amazon EC2 instance available (68GB) to debug it - this bug cost me $26. < 1340008042 333467 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340008076 374725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote < 1340008090 691957 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-June/079332.html ) < 1340008183 828729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember that one time you called Simon Marlow dumb? < 1340008212 906958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress, everybody: http://ompldr.org/vZWRyNw < 1340008221 445215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it stupid to run a program that no computer in the building can run? < 1340008244 679575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340008248 924684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT APPARENTLY ELLIOTT THINKS SO < 1340008249 568691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340008269 886254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what < 1340008275 258217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1340008280 810199 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340008282 742919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is the interface for customising your surname in adventurer mode < 1340008319 236850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340008505 502779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mum walks into my room "heres a fork for ya. puts it on my plate." "uh thanks" "i used it to cut the sausage rolls [which she was eating separately]" < 1340008535 896086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe itidus21 is a surrealist humor bot. < 1340008539 295774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would explain a lot. < 1340008562 762252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a fork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/aSVX < 1340008628 36460 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/aSVX < 1340008635 494971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0t8hu.jpg < 1340008652 394789 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-D < 1340008697 217121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://www.reddit.com/user/JimKB/submitted/?sort=top < 1340008701 791334 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's pretty freaking arbitrary." < 1340008743 273323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: very nice illustrations in that pic < 1340008795 418066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the fact that theres a website signature shows its a professional < 1340008856 944050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's the punchline < 1340008858 47199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Gregor < 1340008876 366292 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a bow.
< 1340008884 255051 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots elliott in the leg.
< 1340008890 391493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ded < 1340008917 792344 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340009069 40042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad was into archery stuff. in his mind he was basically Link.. but in reality he was a depressed office clerk with a dysfunctional family! :-D < 1340009121 439737 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340009236 241888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott used to be a programmer but he took an arrow in the knee. < 1340009267 880274 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: shame < 1340009306 16145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a well-known fact you can't program without good knees. < 1340009315 404182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: kick ion < 1340009327 793739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, kick me! < 1340009336 474950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1340009345 704294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously. Kick me. < 1340009367 816640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did elliott really use to be a programmer? < 1340009369 124741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it always like this? Can't you people, I don't know, join #esoteric-kick and then kick yourself? < 1340009538 843524 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting ahead in the real world of programming DOES involve an awful lot of time on your knees. < 1340009586 521680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :D < 1340009642 31807 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: believe it or not even i used to actually edit, compile and execute software using programming languages once upon a time. < 1340009683 738343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be a programmer < 1340009689 119714 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still am, but i used to, too < 1340009709 407467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers are really on another level compared to amateur grammers. < 1340009710 847771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mitch hedberg quote, you could get like 500 reddit karma for that! < 1340009739 230884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take my reddit karma in the form of cash money < 1340009745 367541 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the exchange rate < 1340009753 774448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a congrammer. < 1340009774 735363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick kmc SIGFPE < 1340009813 483072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a negative exchange rate at the moment < 1340009821 154827 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiiiii- < 1340009828 664875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10,000 buys you [derisive item] < 1340009850 972624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually possible for negative exchange rates to happen? < 1340009858 599824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i only have 1834 < 1340009889 131975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg.. 1 AUD is worth -4 CAD < 1340009947 837715 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that was possible, you could manufacture money X_X < 1340009966 901988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please give me 200 AUD and 800 CAD. kthxbai" < 1340009975 775710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no < 1340009987 577826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: after a while either you start hating yourself too much to farm reddit karma for money < 1340010002 756087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or you start doing it non-ironically, and you're *one of them*, you become god-emperor of the universe < 1340010009 208321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the apocalypse begins in earnest < 1340010012 484312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you had any exciting 5-HT_2A adventures since the last one? < 1340010024 924652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the answer is tautologically "no". < 1340010029 480854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about some 89234-QjicJ)@(#90t adventures < 1340010045 77971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1340010062 432556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did nVidia stop being the better manufacturer for graphics cards for Linux? < 1340010063 435621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're going to make up names to kmc, you have to know how to do it. < 1340010069 767646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1: base64 /dev/urandom < 1340010076 835489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing that ATI sucks on Linux and nVidia doesn't. What happened? < 1340010082 128634 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice tautology bro < 1340010088 683491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It goes back and forth every few years. < 1340010100 918939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 84-Q4829-1 < 1340010103 835448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does that get you < 1340010104 784072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"high" < 1340010105 754330 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talking closed source drivers? < 1340010113 695599 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took some 4-AcO-DMT a few months ago but it was a low dose and nothing much happened < 1340010116 697944 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't taken any since then < 1340010123 185137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i need answers < 1340010134 326796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could at least pick actual obscure phenethylamines or tryptamines < 1340010136 626689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml < 1340010141 677558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal.shtml < 1340010151 952945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no < 1340010153 497415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much work < 1340010158 44406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wow, is that drug even illegal? < 1340010165 665864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 5,6-MDO-MIPT < 1340010175 867442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you done any "5,6-MDO-MIPT" (as they call it in the streets) lately < 1340010186 67494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw i think you're technically guidelines-obligated to stop us talking about this < 1340010194 885563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 4-AcO-DMT? "O-Acetylpsilocin is unscheduled in the United States. It may be considered an analog of psilocin, which is a Schedule I drug under the Controlled Substances Act of the USA" < 1340010201 985618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"may be considered" < 1340010210 571295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean it's not a thoughtcrime to consider it? < 1340010211 739466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1340010214 947855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try it! < 1340010224 201427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1340010224 485884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these have only been taken by like 5 people < 1340010224 646507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 35 mgs, orally) "Some paresthesia noted. Nothing else." < 1340010224 646694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 50 mgs, orally) "Maybe a trace of activity after an hour. Certainly nothing at three hours." < 1340010224 646806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 60 mgs, orally) "There is something going on there, but I can't tell what it is. Very vague." < 1340010224 646913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 75 mgs, orally) "Just a teasing smell of light-headedness in twenty minutes, and maybe a bit more light-headedness in an hour. I can suspect the chronology, but the character of the effects remains nebulous. It is certainly less dramatic than the 5-methoxy-compound." < 1340010226 503205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1340010230 74655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds intense < 1340010235 252392 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: might mean that it hasn't been tested in court? < 1340010241 838741 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is legally vague? < 1340010253 667870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i did take regular old MiPT though < 1340010273 217325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird that the nomenclature in this field is just what shulgin made up for his lab notebooks < 1340010279 691318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shulgin is kind of mad right < 1340010287 216075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a legal entity, PDPC cannot condone or support behavior which is clearly unlawful. While PDPC does not have the resources to closely monitor the thousands of channels on the network, its staff and volunteers are required by policy to pass on credible information, provided by you as a network participant, about unlawful activities." I'm not staff, and I don't think I'm much of a volunteer ... < 1340010293 215484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... either. < 1340010302 826920 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know really < 1340010304 884231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are a publicly logged channel, though. < 1340010319 140312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not necessarily in a bad way! < 1340010325 368765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's really old now < 1340010333 759561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i heard that u kind of mad < 1340010334 389370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a mad post on some forum.. i got ip banned < 1340010349 562073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some kind of ban < 1340010361 343238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been banned from places < 1340010381 423006 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an appropriate ban. the things i said were very improper < 1340010392 156556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about GANESHA < 1340010394 587931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about some of that GANESHA < 1340010420 218191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried < 1340010420 378249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORTHO-DOT < 1340010427 928607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 25 mg) Vague awareness, with the feeling of an impending something. Light food sat uncomfortably. By the late afternoon there was absolutely nothing. Threshold at best. ]] < 1340010441 750982 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got b& for posting ponies on /b/, does that count? < 1340010446 818276 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look somebody has to take all the shitty drugs all right < 1340010448 756642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm learning is that most of drugs suck < 1340010450 610771 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that somebody is not me < 1340010451 827309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340010452 579379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/of // < 1340010462 869215 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make random chemical alterations to existing drugs you mainly get worse versions of those drugs < 1340010475 992983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs are ordered? < 1340010480 619431 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially < 1340010481 439692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just teach people that math is like drugs < 1340010487 435290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a semilattice at least? < 1340010495 223099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best one? < 1340010495 423545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: we had a saying, that the world is divided into math, drugs, and cardboard < 1340010528 11586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dualism < 1340010533 338929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's with three < 1340010535 171850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's true < 1340010537 540657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: these synthesis instructions are amazing < 1340010538 753017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trualism < 1340010549 847640 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah only half of PiHKAL is online < 1340010557 279529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! what's the other half < 1340010564 258374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, mainstream math is too arithmetic oriented < 1340010566 820040 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part that's online is the synthesis instructions and experience reports < 1340010576 746935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mainstream i mean the crap people like me know < 1340010588 966390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part of the book is a lightly fictionalized account of shulgin's life and his wife's < 1340010599 731776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1340010604 779097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they talk about sex a lot < 1340010612 660486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(counterexample) < 1340010620 69204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to what?) < 1340010621 518683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed a lot of description of erotic thoughts in the experience reports! < 1340010631 256929 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah if you want to read about how she wanted to get into his pants because he's the master of the cosmos < 1340010633 444944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so predictable ! ! ! < 1340010634 353545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then read this book < 1340010653 252701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also him trolling the government < 1340010655 551398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 50 mg) At about the two hour point, there was a precipitous drop of blood pressure (from 120/72 to 84/68) although the pulse stayed steady at 60. This trend had been apparent in earlier trials, and was being watched carefully. No further tests are planned. ]] < 1340010657 968706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try BOHD < 1340010658 949036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1340010666 406399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a party < 1340010669 204706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re fake names, here's 50 names generated with a character 4-gram for you: http://sprunge.us/gdUH (Disclaimer: a couple of them might be accidentally real.) < 1340010683 349732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3eO-4-7S-DIPGAMMD5-MA-3-TOM sounds impressive, for example. < 1340010701 955844 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha fizzie++ < 1340010702 665111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now generate complexity classes! < 1340010710 646696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "psine" < 1340010716 180196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes 2C-T-17 is real < 1340010724 168345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if 3eO-4-7S-DIPGAMMD5-MA-3-TOM was real what would it be < 1340010743 492082 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hell of a drug < 1340010751 593854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe you should take some "3". Or some "T". < 1340010753 375095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's MeO-DMA < 1340010755 157718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 5-DM < 1340010761 600358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-MeO-DMT is real too < 1340010766 328732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal53.shtml t is rael sory < 1340010775 93540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1340010795 826390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is there a drug that will make me feel super sleep deprived < 1340010801 368008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like the old days" < 1340010803 881011 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340010805 738940 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of one < 1340010836 882046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : help my left arm died for no reason < 1340010861 192712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --tihkal --pihkal 10 < 1340010864 176291 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: tihkal \ Unknown option: pihkal < 1340010866 953245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1340010871 611982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's the best LEGAL psychedelic < 1340010876 373460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --finnish 10 # same thing? < 1340010880 85841 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sintuntenevinä intävämpämme kirjoavallensa yksistointämälle pommeerapistä laanjohtamia iinnostamila syvälttamme pysteli hakentävänä < 1340010883 495681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: LIFE < 1340010894 69837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i quite like 2C-E < 1340010909 232784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liptamine irco-fenasophanicue-2etryl < 1340010912 199119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i do it right kmc < 1340010919 643399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 4-AcO-DMT is supposed to be the same as psilocybin mushrooms, which are pretty well understood and liked < 1340010951 213572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all analogues or something. :-( < 1340010957 493279 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340010962 728406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a drug for the digital age. < 1340010962 928865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I herd you can get high if you smoke banana peels. < 1340010966 448823 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want something that's not an analogue, that would be harder < 1340010985 178658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what common household objects have you inhaled < 1340010998 339945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my "boring" response lined up if the response is "none" < 1340011004 528097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salvinorin A is not scheduled in the USA (federally) < 1340011012 636368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as safety goes I imagine you're better off finding something reasonably well-understood and illegal than something not understood and legal. < 1340011013 71417 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would hesitate to call it "best" anything < 1340011018 844312 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed < 1340011022 768841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that salvia < 1340011031 952881 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: LSD and mushrooms would top that list < 1340011040 870600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :methyl (2S,4aR,6aR,7R,9S,10aS,10bR)-9-(acetyloxy)-2-(furan-3-yl)-6a,10b-dimethyl-4,10-dioxododecahydro-2H-benzo[f]isochromene-7-carboxylate < 1340011043 137691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate mushrooms once. < 1340011052 59556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, government bans the safe, fun drugs so that people have to take the more dangerous counterparts < 1340011060 110307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they also ban the really dangerous drugs, and then obfuscate the difference) < 1340011061 647270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think they made that illegal yet. :-( < 1340011071 195552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GET IT!!) < 1340011079 889916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that salvia < 1340011081 945623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it's the active ingredient in salvia < 1340011087 208923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340011087 867615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utterly unlike anything else < 1340011092 690925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemically, pharmacologically, or experientially < 1340011099 984457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salvia is fucking terrifying though < 1340011107 415520 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing like the beloved 5HT agonists < 1340011125 65906 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a little like 5-MeO-DMT perhaps < 1340011137 941722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1340011140 256920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know about it is you sink through sofas or something and animal collective like it < 1340011142 318397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salvia is crazytimes < 1340011143 818539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you sink through sofas < 1340011146 321698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm mixing them up :( < 1340011146 877149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340011147 689460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs are hard < 1340011148 992705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340011152 98139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to sink through my sofa < 1340011161 681959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like solid things being solid usually < 1340011166 52189 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who can't have fun without messing up their consciousness with chemicals fail < 1340011166 638130 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like the sofa splits open at the back and becomes a kaleidoscope < 1340011173 319412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: nice strawman bro < 1340011177 453775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: zzzzzzzz < 1340011196 566101 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think calling strawman is a strawman in itself these days < 1340011199 827899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chemicals" < 1340011201 202213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no chemicals < 1340011203 338963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't know what a strawman is < 1340011220 38609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemicals mess up thinking because they're artificial and that's why you should have no chemicals in your brain < 1340011222 268410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i a strawman!!!! < 1340011227 317633 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I do. Doesn't mean I always use it correctly < 1340011227 877357 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumpio: Are there some people here who you know to be unable to have fun without substances? < 1340011248 124233 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumpio: I assume there are because otherwise that comment would be rather unnecessary. < 1340011248 521146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Uh oh, substances. < 1340011269 929344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am made of MATTER. < 1340011275 16634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I'm unable to have fun wihtout substances! < 1340011280 288249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with shachaf here < 1340011280 448020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too mad
< 1340011288 284799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, on what? < 1340011295 791850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks around
< 1340011298 987592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it sounds like all your aims are hecked < 1340011301 876020 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ion: I'm unable to have fun wihtout substances! < 1340011306 914523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's like that "I'm with stupid" shirt. Oh, it wasn't. < 1340011308 572716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/013111/serotonin-and-dopamine.gif < 1340011317 910417 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so cute :3 < 1340011335 746152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it ok if i hate on people who use the word technically :'( < 1340011336 934977 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i buy a plush serotonin molecule yet? < 1340011344 439948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be friends with my sharkbanana < 1340011355 860287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: technically it's not < 1340011358 609571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN SHACHAF FACTS: < 1340011364 322153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make one! < 1340011369 549232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand the feel of velvet. < 1340011379 829440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can't stand the feel of plush either, assuming I know what plush is. < 1340011384 916222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t stand the feel of shachaf. < 1340011435 837774 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hairs on plush are longer aiui < 1340011448 710500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhatEVER. < 1340011452 148543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand either one. < 1340011467 726032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why people make those things. < 1340011471 514534 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like sharkbanana :( < 1340011481 749103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry sharkbanana :( < 1340011488 330651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure sharkbanana is beautiful on the inside. < 1340011523 888882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever read _Momo_? < 1340011527 853737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book by Ende. < 1340011534 660829 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340011545 418925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good book < 1340011554 62280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I thought it was when I read it many years ago. < 1340011559 8408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my age was single-digital. < 1340011576 222880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN BINARY!!!!! < 1340011587 778172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I ordered it again in order to read it again. < 1340011602 542078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION »= sleep.
< 1340011669 288765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where do endorphins go in the serotonin-dopamine thing? < 1340011692 10014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [t]echnically < 1340011724 468374 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340011731 903384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340011736 806239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log technically < 1340011750 996387 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-04.txt:22:41:13: Erm, that doesn't technically describe Alaska, does it < 1340011757 456890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log technically < 1340011764 789756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-07-27.txt:21:52:05: well, technically it doesn't < 1340011773 811864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log technically < 1340011780 285388 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340011784 123181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-03-05.txt:21:30:26: cpressey, and glass harmonica is *technically* impressive < 1340011794 365278 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log technically < 1340011801 586882 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-15.txt:12:43:21: 9.9, technically. < 1340011817 487803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a fascinating log query < 1340011875 326257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog technically < 1340011880 273990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24600 < 1340012707 871974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340013136 158563 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340013172 684853 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340013173 104919 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340013173 265251 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340013341 868971 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340015615 845619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340017481 796326 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340017507 804711 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340017554 28318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1340017648 943292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1340017781 792905 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340017810 820359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's to pretending today will be a good day for all < 1340017900 722585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to the fact that programming simply isn't a performance art (yet) < 1340017925 855257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if playing crawl and df can be performace art, then it's only a matter of time < 1340017932 473948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_coding < 1340018027 8838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: livecoding is awesome, have you seen yaxu's stuff? < 1340018033 296075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's done haskell music livecoding < 1340018041 575707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really great < 1340018054 821941 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL please. < 1340018225 832039 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm wrong, then i guess everything else is right in the world < 1340018317 210133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an instance of conservation of ninjutsu < 1340018515 153385 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Video_presentations#Livecoding_Haskell < 1340018531 611317 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was better at math i like to think i could write a fancy inverse kinematic animation engine < 1340018551 513479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this latest step of this law thing is so much the best thing, I think it needs to go in our logs too, despite probably already making the rounds; I always hear these things last. < 1340018556 13025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Friday, June 15, 2012, attorney Charles Carreon passed from mundane short-term internet notoriety into a sort of legal cartoon-supervillainy. < 1340018559 513404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He transcended typical internet infamy when he filed a federal lawsuit last Friday in the United Sates District Court for the Northern District of California in Oakland. He belonged to the ages the moment he filed that lawsuit not only against Matthew Inman, proprietor of The Oatmeal, but also against IndieGoGo Inc., the company that hosted Inman's ridiculously effective fundraiser for the ... < 1340018565 512576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society. < 1340018568 17688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that level of censorious litigiousness was not enough for Charles Carreon. He sought something more. And so, on that same Friday, Charles Carreon also sued the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society, the beneficiaries of Matthew Inman's fundraiser. < 1340018572 15053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Charles Carreon, butthurt that someone had leveraged his douchebaggery into almost two hundred thousand dollars of donations to two worthy charities, sued the charities." < 1340018575 17191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/17/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-iv-charles-carreon-sues-everybody/ < 1340018594 467878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://yaxu.org/ < 1340018615 342795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. http://blip.tv/piksel/piksel10-slub-alex-mclean-dave-griffiths-4540027 for some video. < 1340018622 912770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite catchy 37 minutes in! < 1340018657 694557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovebytes/6882856456/ too many strings! < 1340018683 450961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_jLmX_8LH3uo/TcF-geBS48I/AAAAAAAAIc0/8yGzBQnRnYk/American%20Patriot%20Flag%20Wallpaper%5B4%5D.jpg < 1340018749 232179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a livecode thing at altparty once. < 1340018761 284421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the 2010 iteration. "Dave Griffiths was raised on an early education in weaving, bell ringing and 8bit computers. He performs improvised livecoded techno music using text, visual programming, and hand made game engines." < 1340018773 11328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming? < 1340018783 803189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the guy, but I vaguelly recall it was kinda funky. < 1340018798 403621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.altparty.org/2010/info/music.html#davegriffiths I remember those rectangular things. < 1340018808 211927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what thing it is. < 1340018850 908724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's part of the same group thing. < 1340018858 822663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The squares are nesting or such. < 1340018860 958984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very funky. < 1340018866 355342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaxu has a thing that has a bunch of nodes connected in a graph. < 1340019040 464725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340019275 975188 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&diff=prev&oldid=416289296 < 1340019400 462814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what a shameless act of self-plugging. < 1340019438 802388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1340020395 349982 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thankes < 1340020431 319269 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340021258 2360 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHP Mega Demo 9000 - TRSI & DES!RE - @Party 2012 http://youtu.be/LCIsIfEOEI8 < 1340021439 50785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: haha < 1340021732 295209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: this is brilliant < 1340022440 544407 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-236.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340022478 29874 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-238.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340024336 878529 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340024754 112601 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340024822 689722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What foolishness is this. If I type in "esolang.org", there's a grey text at the right saying "Press [Tab] to search Esolang (en)", and then it magically goes to Special:Search if I do that. Witchcraft! < 1340024943 753109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSearch power! < 1340025019 576110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : LOOKS LIKE BLACK MAGIC TO ME < 1340025498 587069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340025513 517644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: remember when mooz played slaves to armok < 1340025519 112089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: monqy's IVAN experience is reminding me of it < 1340025530 231748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.canlii.com/en/ab/abca/doc/2012/2012abca134/2012abca134.html "At about 2:00 a.m. on December 6, 2009, an Edmonton police officer noticed a Jeep leaving the parking lot of a drinking establishment with its lights out. He decided to follow it. As he did, he observed the vehicle drive through three stop signs without attempting to brake. -- The Jeep was brought to a stop. Immediately, ... < 1340025536 218920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the respondent emerged from the driver’s seat of the Jeep and approached the police car declaring: “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m so fucked.� As will be seen from our disposition of this appeal, that was a prophetic statement." And they say courts have no sense of humour. < 1340025557 84750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I do remember such a thing. < 1340025948 707390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340026167 66299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a computer: http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305575177673?ts=473 (It's a render of that new IBM Sequoia that just made the top of that TOP500 supercomputer list.) < 1340026175 731159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they actually have as polished floors. < 1340026230 165542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, an actual photo: http://www.top500.org/files/Sequoia_small.jpg < 1340026274 375630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are those "caution: slippery floor" cones in the back?) < 1340026809 1329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340027729 511029 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340028738 429703 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1340029274 938692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy i died in the tutorial < 1340029275 610925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340029775 136847 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340029876 634622 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340030718 422181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340031197 667044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1340031358 99909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks :( < 1340031583 149183 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1340031891 231370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ais523 < 1340031919 846181 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340031926 744785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover oijd oih oqiwjwoti joewt jrjr < 1340032017 156443 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should have said “Error: that is not a question.� < 1340032112 376025 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340032128 360197 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340032190 209404 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340034792 498199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340034858 638648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1340034898 567198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heiohj < 1340035022 344242 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something's wrong < 1340035059 214616 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can connect to the internet in my bedroom < 1340035065 16615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ged < 1340035380 928564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340035435 123292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking through the CD with drivers that came with the mobo. I was trying to find some documentation wrt wake-on-lan. I didn't find that, but I found a lot of unusual stuff. Such as IA64 drivers for the ethernet. And Linux drivers for something called Intel AMT. < 1340035444 607670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of EFI-related stuff < 1340035602 844711 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340035993 157052 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1340036018 495323 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340036228 826585 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340036228 986542 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooo! < 1340036229 146207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340036236 860811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, connection issues? < 1340036243 811132 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pång < 1340036244 78895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from here that looked fine < 1340036244 405515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340036268 257201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc lambdabot does some sort of fuzzy matching of commands? < 1340036276 353612 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340036276 542082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be expected < 1340036276 701921 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1340036294 665639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello god < 1340036296 893452 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tuoe (!!) < 1340036297 77794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: quote time type < 1340036341 601950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuoe < 1340036370 278267 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tyoe (!!) < 1340036371 179453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int -> a < 1340036483 882598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ < 1340036491 376711 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@ < 1340036618 585581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this BIOS changelog. For each of the 10 versions it lists it just says : "Improve system stability. Improve memory compatibility. Support new CPUs." < 1340036624 621436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unspecific < 1340036809 94684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make better" < 1340036814 697184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much yeah < 1340036828 842036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious as to how each of the 10 releases can improve system stability < 1340036877 831789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably means "fixed bug" < 1340036888 682548 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work with BIOS? < 1340036904 776940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340036938 520953 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340036961 549933 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340036994 241946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking through to see if a specific issue I had was fixed. As it is only a minor issue (PS2 keyboard doesn't work under windows from cold boot, works fine when rebooting from linux or rebooting from windows after the keyboard was made to work by first rebooting from linux) I'm not going to bother though. < 1340037017 568959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should play IVAN. < 1340037022 256257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like limbs falling off for no reason. < 1340037030 604544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVAN? What is that < 1340037038 132879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you just described happy wheels :P < 1340037063 291184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's... a roguelike. Of sorts. < 1340037072 863317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1340037084 331864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's horribly unfair and each of your individual limbs get their own damage (DF-style) and can fall off. < 1340037101 574106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can pray to one of the gods to get, e.g. a metal replacement for it! < 1340037112 640361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very special game. < 1340037133 721063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the name is Latin for "a violent road to death". < 1340037164 545158 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1340037168 354498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Representative message: < 1340037211 827570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 08:59:22 14:21 You stab the kobold! You advance to skill level 2 with polearms! You < 1340037212 26249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 08:59:22 advance to skill level 5 with your balsa spear covered with different < 1340037212 26443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 08:59:22 types of blood! The kobold dies yelling like a tortured hyena. < 1340037221 90653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:02:42 15:03 The zombie hits you! You manage to block the attack with your bone! You advance to skill level 3 with your bone! The zombie hits you! You manage to partially block the attack with your bone! You advance to skill level 1 with blunt weapons! You advance to skill level 4 with your bone! < 1340037236 676374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340037244 124744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the progression is rapid? < 1340037247 667317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52 You slash the zombie in the head! Its head is severed off! < 1340037248 66949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52 The zombie takes a severed head of a zombie and attaches it to its torso. < 1340037260 336107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1340037268 701054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not fair < 1340037271 810888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:48:03 15:13 You feel very ill. Your right leg drops to the ground. < 1340037271 970765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:48:09 oops i guess bad things happened < 1340037271 970962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:48:33 15:13 You begin drinking the bottle full of healing liquid. < 1340037271 971071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:48:33 15:13 You grow a new right leg. < 1340037271 971179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 18 09:48:33 15:13 You feel better. < 1340037276 916063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the idea. < 1340037290 753516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I forgot the best one. < 1340037292 43705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:48 The levitating ostrich cackles cheerfully. It likes its life. < 1340037297 301351 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m stuck in Thief. :-( < 1340037299 938358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey can't you reattach limbs like the zombies? < 1340037320 797613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you can pick up (and also eat) your severed limbs. Before eating it says "hey, you could reattach that, are you sure?". < 1340037326 474162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sometimes praying to one of the gods will reattach it for you. < 1340037331 23424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird game. < 1340037336 831295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1340037352 587078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also carnivorous mutant bunnies. < 1340037399 899601 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340037714 353776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340038138 98167 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340038138 716574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340038443 566037 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340039723 360625 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340040161 1090 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340040168 320227 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-236.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340040634 659460 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi NICK :Deewiant < 1340040944 663412 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.4chan.org/co/src/1340009252555.jpg < 1340040949 365627 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooops < 1340041384 631170 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340041440 524029 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340043305 362066 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340043709 519998 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340044022 919249 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MARMALADE Identity: Behind the scenes (Super Slow Motion Effects That Look CGI) http://youtu.be/cKC6j7pW6T0 < 1340044415 347170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So the other day someone in #haskell was asking about some of the weird behavior of regex-compat. The response was "just write your own regexp library in pure Haskell". < 1340044499 159155 :nick_gongg!~user@chello062178202099.5.15.vie.surfer.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1340044517 688523 :nick_gongg!~user@chello062178202099.5.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :names < 1340044528 656829 :nick_gongg!~user@chello062178202099.5.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :date < 1340044574 544758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say June 11th, 1908. < 1340044581 157911 :nick_gongg!~user@chello062178202099.5.15.vie.surfer.at QUIT :Quit: date < 1340044588 332565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it wrong. < 1340045827 789971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :names < 1340045828 241535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :date < 1340046048 455573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :November 8th, 1944? < 1340046290 888587 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340047469 299938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340047629 363000 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340048042 378244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better nate than dames !!!!!!! < 1340048065 209783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1340048125 336398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1704611&postcount=96 < 1340048199 608945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smells a not very pretty dog story
< 1340048218 640215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340048315 811658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1340049213 529856 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/month_day_year_america_failure.jpg < 1340049769 520937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while to get that < 1340050040 240932 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340050320 378123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340050509 850462 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340050666 483618 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340051435 454930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is trivial < 1340051719 677809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a typo in the "Longest Joke in the World" thing < 1340051722 654802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If would be the perfect image, he imagines" < 1340051729 561191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My gf found it) < 1340051730 59442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD < 1340051759 292333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chooses to interpret this as Sgeo using his girlfriend as a spellcheck.
< 1340051810 571811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340051840 372881 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me more than 3 seconds to spot that typo when staring at the sentence < 1340051854 633335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chooses to interpret this as Sgeo using his spellcheck as a girlfriend.
< 1340051857 719016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f and t look pretty similar in some fonts. < 1340051874 332074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's a bit of a bloated spellcheck. < 1340051916 828311 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to say your spellcheck is fat, Sgeo, it could just lose a stone or two.) < 1340051928 428899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joke is that a stone is really heavy.) < 1340051957 84828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google sez "1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms" < 1340051979 738270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 14lb, for the metrically challenged. < 1340052029 524985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTHOUGH according to the 1772 Encyclopaedia Britannica a stone of beef was in Scotland 16lb. < 1340052147 502944 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340052310 354727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who live in beef houses should not lose stones < 1340052487 916179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why not? The house is made of beef not stone. Loosing a stone would be a non-issue. Unlike if you lived in a stone house. ;P < 1340052502 815867 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll always be eating the beef < 1340052525 857789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating your house? Disgusting. Also the beef would go bad very quickly anyway. < 1340052532 668977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was frozen I guess < 1340052565 458308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would strongly advise against using beef as a building material. < 1340052650 175396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1340052722 564948 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be jerky. < 1340052751 404626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1340052755 787174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now really good night) < 1340052758 867374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340052768 530638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1340052782 785331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340052796 931641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb < 1340052805 929533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evnig < 1340052821 797455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with more letters < 1340052987 482522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what's the point of Prelude.Generalize.(++) when there's Control.Applicative.(<|>)? < 1340053492 170346 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb why do you keep asking zzo haskell questions < 1340053495 728160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you enjoy the challenge < 1340053501 569423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340053509 315511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I ask you Haskell questions? < 1340053543 824071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Just because of the stupid way the classes are designed, you might need to use it in something that has only MonadPlus as constraint; also, (++) is specialized. Ideally it shouldn't be needed for that purpose, but there it is < 1340053555 117847 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1340053557 149176 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, but they will probably be wrong. < 1340053563 922866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask me, like, maths questions? < 1340053617 680351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have any maths questions atm < 1340053625 340212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had one Haskell question < 1340053632 58671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, here's another one! < 1340053640 246254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was one only zzo38 could answer... < 1340053647 639635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as a ComonadPlus < 1340053669 784685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also sounds like zzo38's thing :P < 1340053699 685932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm older, I want to be like zzo38, except British, Australian, and easier to understand. < 1340053702 554738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also richer and cooler < 1340053712 969954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :british _and_ australian? < 1340053715 680723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340053722 205015 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual nationality < 1340053725 439094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(already achieved) < 1340053731 206898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340053743 430320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know if there is any such things as ComonadPlus, although Comonad and Alternative are mutually exclusive. < 1340053751 822224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they? < 1340053753 24972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1340053756 139575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should have 3 mansions, one in each hexham :P < 1340053759 566605 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340053759 726841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340053764 516184 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told I could have a dual Irish nationality despite the fact that none of my ancestors have ever lived in the ROI. < 1340053775 6436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, were you born in NI? < 1340053779 804619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340053788 740963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's me out of ideas < 1340053794 419246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible for something to be both Comonad and Monad, but not to be both Comonad and Alternative. < 1340053802 873913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case that'd qualify me for a British passport, not an Irish one. < 1340053816 541275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aww, come on. One Hexham's tiny and another's in New South Wales < 1340053833 410382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with new south wales, dmm is there < 1340053852 281151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Victoria person < 1340053861 62679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340053870 196626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not difficult. < 1340053876 104965 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's because my grandfather was born before the ROI was founded so he qualifies for Irish citizenship, and for some reason if any grandparent qualifies for Irish citizenship so do you.) < 1340053942 825752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'd assume he needs to be from Ireland, too? < 1340053961 315263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably NI in this case) < 1340053977 838309 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340053982 793638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, only one of my grandparents was born in any country I hold a nationality for < 1340054092 143523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were any of them dutch or is that further back < 1340054098 568771 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of them were dutch < 1340054119 870431 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340054141 1364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great swathes of that bit of the Netherlands emigrated to Australia in the 50's < 1340054169 783392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait really < 1340054181 319873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1340054193 677421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the van Doorns, the Wolswinkels, and the van Ecks did < 1340054200 441639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some others < 1340054217 728498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWATHES < 1340054235 972251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the wrong word, isn't it? < 1340054276 616104 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340054297 456989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Great swaths of/Quite a lot of people from/ < 1340054297 909421 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's a bit of an exaggeration. < 1340054378 643207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_netherlands#Flooding_and_flood_control < 1340054385 196814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of that, I think < 1340054410 379484 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything specific or just because it's, well, the Netherlands? < 1340054427 278425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utrecht area? < 1340054428 256818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in victoria right now! < 1340054431 4100 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1340054431 839621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"darn, flood again, let's move to somewhere drier!" < 1340054445 421643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victoria is the best state < 1340054451 752700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1340054456 528047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better than Queensland and California < 1340054457 599587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i hear australia is the driest continent, let's go there!" < 1340054507 970698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, these people were from a pretty rural area. Most of them depended on farming < 1340054520 968609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the fields flooded, crops were wiped out and livestock drowned < 1340054780 655725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they gave up and went to the land were there was fire instead of water < 1340054829 655416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, remember Black Saturday? < 1340054844 417728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I went to Australia, I got there on the Sunday < 1340054880 534829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well didn't affect me directly.. but i do remember something about fires or floods < 1340054889 202818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floods were in Queensland < 1340054894 602547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire was in Victoria < 1340054902 645320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple of relative's farms got burnt < 1340054980 973238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight, everyone < 1340054982 952530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340054987 785855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is Victoria in Canada too < 1340055284 284091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this seem a reasonable way to you for parsing a note letter? send_note(ch,channels[ch].transpose+(channels[ch].octave+(c, <, = < 1340057786 150430 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quote < 1340057798 990808 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yes < 1340057821 348375 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no quote word. just ' < 1340057832 449383 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is a reader macro < 1340057888 291798 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: and, or, cond, case, % < 1340057908 336980 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd be it.. there - complete programming system < 1340057963 299275 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have those but I could implement them if I am going to rewrite lis.py < 1340057987 619461 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to look at that code again. it is in functional python) < 1340058128 979947 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a pretty printer and (trace) < 1340058211 432351 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some kind of display or read would be nice if you are going to use it for something < 1340058242 13585 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your lisp variant closer to scheme or cl or something else? < 1340058444 179671 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's accidentaly closer to cl < 1340058565 911766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340058919 187419 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (map function list) (if (null? list) () (cons (function (car list)) (map function (cdr list))))) < 1340058922 632017 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (filter function list) (if (null? list) () (if (function (car list)) (cons (car list) (filter function (cdr list))) (filter function (cdr list))))) < 1340058925 703935 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (reduce function list) (if (null? list) () (if (null? (cdr list)) list (reduce function (cons (function (car list) (car (cdr list))) (cdr (cdr list))))))) < 1340058945 196501 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5pq4hZcQ31r3ddn8o1_500.jpg < 1340059034 875308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evil ion < 1340059055 648624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: How would you feel if I' say' used '\'' to approximate ,? < 1340059250 618457 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/4111194 < 1340059341 535699 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: :D < 1340059624 626287 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340059638 273626 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340059644 381114 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-66.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340059693 641903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340059873 914875 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340059923 879001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote blood everywhere < 1340059924 235602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340059924 508535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. Are you on drugs? < 1340059927 842245 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340059929 282322 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340059930 930262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote blood < 1340059933 14392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malig says: I have to admit I'm still stunned when "tying the knot" actually works. it's like I just performed the kind of magic that normally requires a lot more goat's blood < 1340059937 603128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1340059945 1295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote blood < 1340059945 499816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardkmett says: Most monad tutorials are written by people who barely understand monads, if at all, but unfortunately nothing can stop someone from writing a monad tutorial. We've tried, there was < 1340059945 676462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood everywhere. < 1340059990 806382 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wholeheartedly encourage you to always do that from now on. < 1340060001 42520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What' the comma thing? < 1340060023 265795 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340060026 723517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it,s a very lofty thing' isn,t it < 1340060052 968498 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes̛° < 1340060092 119135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey now' we're trying to represent *more and more* characters using ASCII '\''! < 1340060110 101747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a' ok' < 1340060117 908332 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i've tried your reduce < 1340060123 238623 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my interpreter < 1340060168 355770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the lone list should be (car list) < 1340060174 414761 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get (reduce + '(1 2 3)) => (6) < 1340060183 832985 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1340060256 386130 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340060282 255385 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340060288 604787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-226-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340060532 701439 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are right < 1340060554 14662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oeracle < 1340060560 154688 :oeracle!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE I AM < 1340060566 173737 :oeracle!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1340061046 818910 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed reduce < 1340061047 478980 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1340061049 554388 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (reduce function list) (if (null? list) () (if (null? (cdr list)) (car list) (reduce function (cons (function (car list) (car (cdr list))) (cdr (cdr list))))))) < 1340061148 447860 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340061161 437344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-252.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340061161 597224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340061334 270902 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1340061346 151738 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got readline with completion in my repl < 1340061415 531893 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the repl written in lisp or in ruby? < 1340061447 61095 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby ;p < 1340061540 744287 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think repl in my lis.py was written in lisp but I am not completely sure < 1340061648 605561 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it this one: http://norvig.com/lis.py ? < 1340061693 646783 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I have not my lis.py anywhere. it just has same name < 1340061712 943670 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+put < 1340061876 820515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which nortti_ is revealed as being Peter Norvig < 1340061921 508832 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. mt firsr name is Juhani and my second nane starts with H < 1340061927 128388 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1340061944 598918 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/second/last/ < 1340061963 129688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhani hnorvig, check < 1340061976 760356 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p no < 1340062400 654781 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's peter norvig anyway < 1340062437 80366 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340062881 12974 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340062907 43128 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340063214 10963 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C3BA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340064515 88112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340064638 868500 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340064639 313071 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340064639 472690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340064818 641237 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340065176 906515 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1340065512 632596 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340065544 491771 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340065567 64494 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340065883 425239 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340066046 364621 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340067045 255220 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340068344 542764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340068344 702508 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340068456 483994 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340068461 850415 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340068718 639130 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340068918 683193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340070209 984273 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340072042 643294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get ready for the most amazingly tiny marginal score improvement you've ever seen! < 1340072050 480036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/HABh < 1340072060 877401 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.0 < 1340072113 266802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. okay. that's a lowering of score. but it's an improvement according to quintopia_scoring_system so it stays :P < 1340072140 354559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd seen sixty-something < 1340073348 269806 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340073511 557513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-252.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340073673 506863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was at 58.3 before that change. it's not much of a loss. < 1340073696 660693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it dropped below 60 when brachiation started beating it) < 1340073744 751251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/NWIE < 1340073747 917157 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.7 < 1340073764 892392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that worked better than expected. < 1340074525 64825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is apparently for pippa fans: < 1340074532 130808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/PiPa < 1340074535 121399 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.2 < 1340075046 235154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/dUBN < 1340075499 897217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075502 501861 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.8 < 1340075512 741704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075515 360915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340075519 833590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1340075524 332771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340075529 45661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340075655 686705 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*22]++)*24 < 1340075658 258639 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.2 < 1340075675 442206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so _sensitive_ < 1340075693 601575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075696 274735 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340075722 787974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]-)*24 < 1340075725 530405 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 25.3 < 1340075729 766991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]--)*24 < 1340075732 420324 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 44.7 < 1340075744 607575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075747 280979 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340076506 70451 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077150 908615 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077156 584906 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340077182 522882 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077448 612663 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340077511 564577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340080272 457642 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340082903 462090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-236.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340083088 59024 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340083506 319375 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-210.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340084301 533855 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340084743 489393 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085071 45014 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085377 877492 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085378 316353 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340085378 476215 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085581 942388 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340085631 566556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett UPDATE < 1340087434 118854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you are on a train? < 1340087446 6659 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i forgot to scroll down < 1340088370 884040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340088378 800795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340088456 625281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uryyb to you too. < 1340089232 26239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waa < 1340089454 317057 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340089486 699531 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340091440 862860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340091508 302691 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340092275 859812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340092283 67645 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340092984 70356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uryyb < 1340093002 711278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that even about? < 1340093009 474435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uryyb" < 1340093020 651699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a very base joke.. so base even i guessed it < 1340093026 457196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rot13 of Hello < 1340093036 592874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1340093043 990630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that even qualify as a joke? < 1340093063 105823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je;;p would almost be a joke < 1340093074 953247 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this doesn't mean my influence is rubbing off < 1340093114 514770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm getting smarter... < 1340093266 954286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I have decided to analyze video games from an unusual direction < 1340093278 738548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a burgeoning idea I had for a while. < 1340093289 426418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :North by North West? < 1340093299 164702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340093303 100720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But go on < 1340093308 856015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kata! < 1340093310 45165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infact I think the premise alone could sell books. < 1340093340 233661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kata is the best direction. < 1340093341 710350 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, ok well, comparing games by attributes such as "does the game have jumping? does the game have guns? < 1340093353 254309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the game have ladders? < 1340093361 751106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like Super Mario Bros 3? < 1340093364 98348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a score? < 1340093373 262073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that has all those elements < 1340093421 565004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a fairly random list of about 29 games with a nintendo platform bias < 1340093440 839290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. my bias < 1340093470 204232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors that open by themselves, sliding doors, secret doors, doors that lock, doors that don't < 1340093490 616331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the trouble I see is that there aren't any websites which store such information in a database in existence < 1340093498 725537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, you should get some aliens to design games. < 1340093513 25901 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not so much a trouble, as it is some uncharted ground < 1340093515 22224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assassin's Creed Brotherhood has jumping, guns, ladders, but no score < 1340093518 214887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they won't refernce Earthy things < 1340093531 801234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Earthy gaming conventions < 1340093556 578345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like metal barrels are always explosive < 1340093558 126007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well.. as i make up more of these arbitrary categories the whole process can get very drawn out < 1340093584 614599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, i think that at some level, such a database could be a behemoth < 1340093618 875429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the sort of thing people need.. it's just me looking for a niche way of analysis < 1340093704 832961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm probably onto something.. most of my ideas are half-truths and misguided versions of actual good ideas < 1340093732 142028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, you can't look up in any database which video games contain blue hats < 1340093747 119087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the "kind" of database i am describing, you might be able to < 1340093840 709850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called being a data nerd < 1340093865 268958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340093970 352394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just might be a data nerd < 1340093987 594139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Team Fortress 2 has blue hats < 1340093993 189370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team Fortress 2 has all the hats < 1340094126 355957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/Main_Page is doing something a bit like that. < 1340094139 153214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/To_Shoot is a bit like "does it have guns?" < 1340094143 732387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am being serious too.. you would goto tidusdatanerd.com and see the box Search: [__________] and type in "blue hats" and it would list (1)Team Fortress 2 (2)[...] < 1340094159 613304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probably not the only folks, but they're maybe the most pretentious. < 1340094160 8591 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gah.... why can't i ever have a niche to myself ;_; < 1340094181 533648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that tvtropes is sort of doing the same thing in a manner of speaking < 1340094202 473206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they mostly just list some examples instead of trying to build a comprehensive list. < 1340094242 643493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340094270 34644 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as it turns out it's actually quite difficult to prove a negative about a video game < 1340094279 214781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trying to do a hierarchical thing, though. And I suppose it's as pointless as anything involving the word "ontology" tends to be, but anyway. < 1340094308 960025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i guess such a database should be padded out with unknown < 1340094339 176888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the categorization of some of these things is a nightmare < 1340094382 567802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, most games which have jumping have a jump button.. but some games require you to press 2 buttons at once to jump... < 1340094418 420526 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1340094422 212240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've put out some game conference papers about their por-ject. < 1340094460 100212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in link's awakening you need an item to jump < 1340094509 459490 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd input the data? < 1340094512 340095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in some games you may have to drive a car up a ramp to jump < 1340094564 197528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or basically some environmental jump could be a trampoline or a ramp etc < 1340094641 570815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well, the main point i think is the data exists < 1340094649 115471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want even more of a niche project, http://www.igcd.net/ have a database of which models of cars have been seen in which video games. < 1340094652 314914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what kind of nutcases care about it < 1340094685 984138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. that IS niche < 1340094710 941902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact you know about igcd tells me i am a long way from kansas < 1340094724 614182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know about it four minutes ago. < 1340094743 412753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1340094750 657631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be scared if you had < 1340094801 795571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: basically it's just a mode of exploration.. looking for niches.. looking for a leg up on the rivals < 1340094814 192341 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could build akinator-like service only for games then < 1340094824 581671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if such a database existed i would be merely looking for new niches < 1340094831 749227 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and amaze bunch of bored players < 1340094843 730455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the fun of a niche is it's exclusivity < 1340094957 198324 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1340094997 621343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am gonna visit the irc chat of igcd just to see what is there < 1340095192 130576 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that server is gone < 1340095276 40095 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095276 455735 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340095276 615921 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095406 203729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah yes akinator! < 1340095448 849141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doomed to be to video games as scott mccloud is to comics < 1340095451 859061 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340095575 422470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well it is my job to enter such data < 1340095586 412131 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095662 709741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing though, that each search for such a datum could result in new sub-questions, and that well.. it's not computable how long any such question will take to answer < 1340095718 217922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... ^well maybe it's computable.. < 1340095728 485951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not predictable by ordinary means.. < 1340096039 475923 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1340096558 261981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, there's someone on #haskell reminding me of you < 1340096564 649669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : expect a lot more weird questions coming from me in the future :D < 1340096628 247738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone such as me is aware of their own weirdness... that is usually a sign of trouble < 1340096653 275235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or redemption < 1340096673 122788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's comfortable with asking weird questions apparently < 1340096705 967625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current query is the native resolution of atari asteroids < 1340096741 754987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being a data nerd... < 1340096757 974043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as nooga suggested) i have no practical application of this info though < 1340096792 701166 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340096864 559346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: www.philpem.me.uk/elec/vecgen.pdf < 1340096890 485564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short answer is 1024 × 1024 < 1340096895 473954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1340096906 33779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true vector graphics < 1340096917 365414 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics chip directly controls the deflection of the electron beam < 1340096921 725875 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not a grid of pixels as such < 1340096940 879179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean it could have more res if it had uh i dunno < 1340096945 955007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it could move very smoothly between line endpoints, or generate circles etc. with analog oscillators < 1340096955 466740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if the DVG actually has these capabilities < 1340096979 710485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i get the sense that 1024 is just an arbitrary constraint they settled on < 1340097006 475028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for addressing < 1340097007 498575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU sends coordinates to the DVG over a digital data bus < 1340097012 252916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those coordinates are 10 bit < 1340097036 247410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1340097037 106864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could have a system where, even though the endpoints of lines are locked to a 1024 × 1024 grid, the beam deflection between points is much smoother and does not alias to that grid < 1340097054 551391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be done with a higher resolution internal counter + DAC, or with analog circuitry < 1340097102 799558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody nice answer though. < 1340097111 340802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you had been waiting for someone to ask < 1340097114 704207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340097119 826808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked this up a while ago for no particular reason < 1340097133 566624 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think just because i went to barcade in brooklyn and was impressed by how nice the original asteroids machine looks < 1340097149 732821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a brilliantly intense white on black CRT < 1340097166 777449 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects leave wonderful trails as they move < 1340097171 817044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia did mention the DVG (with a red link) but i more or less overlooked it's relevance to the question) < 1340097193 655999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm < 1340097417 914827 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like those 10 bits are all the resolution it has on the output < 1340097460 595138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good article. < 1340097556 343352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all so funny now, with everyone owning their own framebuffers < 1340097586 868336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this vector stuff seems to still have advantages over that < 1340097688 860898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340097759 484702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-236.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340097771 616684 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340098006 446011 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god this exists https://twitter.com/#!/HexhamProblems < 1340098086 386884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why this document about the digital vector generator goes off on a long tangent where they basically explain how to design a CPU < 1340098116 582227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does homestuck.bandcamp.com look dodgy to anyone else? < 1340098134 78359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i knew that part was over my head so i cut to the "final thoughts" < 1340098149 890790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops no, "a final thought" < 1340098185 949222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it works now < 1340098258 384267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are those Hexham Problems the kind of problems you have? < 1340098266 167464 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no < 1340098286 916391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of earshot of the Abbey < 1340098305 196642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donnies and spoons < 1340098326 381040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been to Donnies, haven't been to Spoons in ages < 1340098330 182239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1340098352 365807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah, later they talk about analog vector generators < 1340098371 288366 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would actually draw those perfectly smooth lines < 1340098415 926110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #hexhamproblems "The awkward moment when your intimidated at the sele by 13 year old chavs" < 1340098417 553434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was used by Battlezone apparently < 1340098510 561078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently The Sele = A shitty scumbag of a school. They say they deal with bullying, no they dont. They say they have a good reputation, no they dont. < 1340098697 118723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1340098705 759723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "elliott" (with a different surname) following HexhamProblems. < 1340098719 989020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, in this context, the Sele refers to the field and hill, not the school < 1340098734 333207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest pupils of the school are 9 < 1340098752 683035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "mish"? Is that like a type of going somewhere? < 1340098761 547791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, short for "mission" < 1340098772 416774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be Hexham-specific slang < 1340098773 688757 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, it had analog clipping to rectangle too < 1340098778 217409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know your from hexham when you mish to tescos ten times a day" "The soundtrack to your mish down the street being the harpsicord busker". < 1340098781 143216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1340098809 865193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well i'm absolutely sure that all the people from hexham would be happier if hexham slang didn't become a major topic :D < 1340098818 390497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340098824 704779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^6^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340098826 180147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626387169884407661971693988789488104965184659327495149... < 1340098832 409760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty good eh" < 1340098843 338554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that actually pi? < 1340098851 992792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get out much, and elliott probably isn't real < 1340098856 442462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just gonna let it blow over < 1340098878 905747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What's a "geordie"? < 1340098893 175191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person from Newcastle, with all the stereotypes that entails < 1340098897 832869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1340098901 141941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh no. it's started :D < 1340098904 692622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got quite a lot of these terms. < 1340098908 52584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., tough, hardy, has a cool accent < 1340098929 335360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: both taneb and elliott would probably rather we didn't explore it. < 1340098942 878691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combination of English, Scottish, and I think Norwegian accents < 1340098944 843170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really explain why.. i don't know < 1340098983 302333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oops" < 1340098994 545247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, so "spoons" was a place. I was thinking, you know, spoons. I mean, they keep knives away from folk that might do stuff with them, don't they? < 1340099007 161216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most americans can't follow a british accent very well. < 1340099066 387897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since australia is full of immigrants from that part of the world our accent is well.. compatible i think < 1340099096 896972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that would be the case though < 1340099115 364439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, some british accents aren't compatible at all < 1340099128 677598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean.. some people literally can't parse it < 1340099139 64719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pay good money to see a person from Glasgow, a person from Somerset, and a person of Yorkshire trying to talk to eachother < 1340099162 924432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely im full of crap < 1340099192 170514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, spoons is slang for the pub chain Wetherspoon < 1340099216 456816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the one in Hexham, which is next to the cinema < 1340099241 997415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a cool slang word i learned yesterday.. i forget what it was < 1340099249 765279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340099251 873453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1340099255 696224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340099257 829931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1340099259 47040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER < 1340099273 46046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are... are they different at all < 1340099337 713781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KQ has the best music. < 1340099373 7188 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha yes < 1340099384 971596 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verb raspberry < 1340099392 908154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raspberry tart = fart < 1340099540 40757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kings Quest? < 1340099570 209119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kqlives.sourceforge.net/ < 1340099601 376007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo -e "a\nb" < 1340099610 584076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e "a\nb" < 1340099628 529057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "a\nb" < 1340099632 195347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b < 1340099649 13765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1340099651 685085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ quotes.new \ share \ wisdom < 1340099661 844468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quotes < 1340099665 40103 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes < 1340099673 641394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quotes < 1340099677 40114 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he should be told that you should < 1340099686 13794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1340099688 896085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32574 < 1340099807 415409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with the Alternate Universe quotes early on? < 1340099856 885599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is he really a tricycle? < 1340099858 22318 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: though the error message and make your head detachable... i downloaded the tex fnord is there a scheme that offers methods on any data type. < 1340099867 413115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1340099868 202097 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1340099873 652881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A detachable head? < 1340099874 513922 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you! take! we find! < 1340099887 787750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't have a detachable head. < 1340099888 522046 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. < 1340099952 806825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, I won't use the crane to detach my head. But I'm still unclear on whether he was a tricycle. < 1340099953 680847 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? < 1340099975 675133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say I kind of like that "i, myself, will bring an end to all" thing. < 1340100031 863103 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The TMS320P15 was supposedly hack-proof once the Security Bit was set. It wasn't. The reason I know is that in that project I put in an undocumented program that sent out the Atari copyright message in Morse Code. Because of the DSP's speed it could be received by just placing a standard AM radio near the PC Board. The program was called only by grounding an innocuously unused I/O pin during Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game < 1340100062 802468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Having trouble in this game of golf. < 1340100070 765457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only winning move is not to play < 1340100098 641734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: edwardk came with a variation so inefficient, lambdabot doesn't manage to compute it all the way to the cutoff point. < 1340100103 480987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 74 digits of pi. < 1340100111 248822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's several characters shorter. :-( < 1340100129 408697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact maybe no computer would be able to calculate it to the cutoff point ever with that algorithm.) < 1340100135 236971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did my full quote come through just now?) < 1340100144 965076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game < 1340100163 783055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...When Atari received a counterfeited game to examine, I placed an AM radio near the board, grounded the aforementioned I/O pin, gave it a Reset, and heard my Copyright Message on the radio." < 1340100266 753323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a TMS320C5416 for schoolwork, it was a fancy. (Much later thing than a C15, though.) < 1340101049 123010 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am shocked < 1340101065 120622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, has the psychology experiment gone wrong? < 1340101078 462176 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lisp interpreter actually compiles and runs every single example from various books < 1340101090 116942 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without warnings? < 1340101103 523578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yours as in you wrote it?) < 1340101110 84209 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it would just crash if something went wrong < 1340101115 888591 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340101139 257570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try running something bigger < 1340101162 864305 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have backquote and macros < 1340101177 661593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you know what to do next! < 1340101178 964096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340101187 516379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go out and celebrate! < 1340101192 409760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to LegoLand or somewhere! < 1340101220 510799 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather buy two beers < 1340101247 797535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy three beers! < 1340101249 484037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340101259 174094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LeggoLand, where everyone tries to escape. < 1340102109 378901 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340102896 922357 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340105331 994959 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340105602 708005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340105656 473080 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340107740 181528 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340107767 591460 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108018 450306 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340108230 965253 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108231 223100 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340108231 383771 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108472 40193 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340108682 866938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340109437 533848 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340109461 136395 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340110295 282214 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340112018 281929 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340112020 848853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340112537 292699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340112942 703970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBl4qH9I54 < 1340113027 813178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1340113028 714441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1340113101 720754 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113172 193927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340113181 191596 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.9 < 1340113198 176878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that basically says "let this list be this list added with itself shifted to the right by one"? < 1340113211 125840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/right/left/ < 1340113274 366035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340113275 97108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fibs is a list starting with 0, continuing with 1, and then continuing with fibs added with fibs sans the first element, yes. < 1340113276 965448 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340113342 397029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "tail" mean the same as "cdr" or does it not use cons lists? < 1340113384 870841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a linked list, yes. < 1340113390 633680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data [a] = [] | a : [a] < 1340113399 99644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail (_:xs) = xs < 1340113402 519188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail [] = undefined < 1340113408 281902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally you would use < 1340113415 484132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = a :> Stream a < 1340113418 191806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail (_ :> xs) = xs < 1340113424 708057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would not ues the avoid of the partial function "tail". < 1340113426 512210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1340113430 500883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Stream isn't in the standard library. < 1340113450 391357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113478 970078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1340113481 142772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does :> mean < 1340113494 77789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113547 731088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. It's a user-defined operator. < 1340113550 431353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just as easily say < 1340113557 523650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = a :$$$$ Stream a < 1340113557 867319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1340113561 107403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = Cons a (Stream a) < 1340113584 411625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340113698 5828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that user-defined operator necessary? < 1340113745 938258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because writing < 1340113754 939332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 :> 1 :> 2 :> 3 :> ... < 1340113759 110976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nicer than writing < 1340113763 434233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons 0 (Cons 1 (Cons 2 (Cons 3 (... < 1340113764 693565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1340113770 997666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons 0 . Cons 1 . Cons 2 . Cons 3 $ ... < 1340115209 488575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340115211 121367 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-35.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340116243 348846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> also looks happier. < 1340116428 708338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 `Cons` 1 `Cons` 2 `Cons` 3 `Cons` … < 1340118683 986686 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340118697 615247 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340119837 105903 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Batman's on < 1340119863 45992 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... actuall sing "nanananananana" < 1340120991 942054 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently wearing a Batman shirt.
< 1340121073 356801 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon the riddler would do better if he didn't make riddles that tell batman the answer < 1340121234 318681 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But Batman! You're dead!" "No I'm not" < 1340121712 15821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bat attack. < 1340121857 25712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340123271 482635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question just observed on gameshow: "Alphabetically, which month comes fifth?" < 1340123325 514967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : … (+[<{}])%28 … < 1340123327 705815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's… new < 1340123333 681181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to explain the strategy? < 1340123380 149644 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :January < 1340123384 184148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does :> mean <-- sometimes I fly around in a spaceship… < 1340123393 597848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: indeed, although they only gave a few seconds to work it out < 1340123536 966053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have got that wrong < 1340123545 467795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about August and June < 1340123551 539907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And July < 1340123555 748539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a Summer person < 1340123574 945196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which gameshow? < 1340123601 644622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chase? < 1340123637 209573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1340123643 576234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check the UK TV schedules? < 1340123646 517452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you watching it yourself? < 1340123649 162396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1340123659 46540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, but I couldn't remember the name < 1340123686 408605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched a bit of it once when waiting for the chips to be ready at the local Chinese < 1340123690 347872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The questions seemed easy < 1340123705 747727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're notably easier in the endgame than in the rest of the show < 1340123710 74560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticeably < 1340123717 609626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the opposite of most programs, but it makes sense the way it works < 1340123880 160850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd be it < 1340124251 868716 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1340124252 66255 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340124258 292620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the month is $(for mon in `seq -f'%02g' 12`; do env LC_TIME=C date --date=1984-$mon-01 +%B; done | sort | tail -n +5 | head -n 1), right? < 1340124261 291841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it didn't expand! < 1340124282 268196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am undone. < 1340124392 833674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's December for the fi_FI locale.) < 1340124410 387629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I have that in place, I just thought it'd be better to be explicit.) < 1340124528 625763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what months come before December in alphabetical order in Finland? < 1340124623 964651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full order is August, July, Februray, April, December, June, October, March, November, September, January, May. < 1340124643 762775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're translating the names into English < 1340124650 898087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, elokuu, heinäkuu, helmikuu, huhtikuu, joulukuu, kesäkuu, lokakuu, maaliskuu, marraskuu, syyskuu, tammikuu, toukokuu.) < 1340124666 265864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English months by alphabetical order of their Finnish translations" is a far from intuitive order < 1340124687 316168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one for the challenge level. < 1340124800 648624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them have a seasonally appropriate name. Like fi:loka is like mud, dirt and that sort of stuff, and October is one of the suckiest months w.r.t. weather. (Well, unless you like wet, I guess.) < 1340124809 892842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "kesäkuu" is just "summer month". < 1340124823 965460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "syyskuu" -> "autumn month". < 1340124834 125685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, there's no "winter month" or "spring month". < 1340125204 746994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, since I started... "elokuu" is like "crop month" (as in stuff-that-grows-in-fields), which I suppose... is something that's somehow relevant in August. (I'm not a country person.) "heinäkuu" is "hay month", I guess something similar. "helmikuu" is "pearl month", and I don't know what's up with that, maybe snow or ice or something? "huhtikuu" is from "huhta", a dated reference to a type ... < 1340125210 770218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... of cleared woodland, I suppose again something that's done in April. "tammikuu" is "oak month", and... I've got nothing. And so on and so forth; they're very farming-oriented, unsurprisingly. < 1340126261 530904 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elo" is from "crop" and not "life"? < 1340126285 336163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes more sense that way. < 1340126293 264206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elonkorjuu and all. < 1340126334 751321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems playing gamecube games (in an emulator) without a gamepad is god damn impossible. It usually (depending on game) works fine with n64 games. The extra analogue stick on the gamecube makes it a lot harder to handle with keyboard and mouse < 1340126374 718134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and my joystick have digital hats, so that is useless as well. < 1340126539 855181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how they predominantly seem to be about which farming-related activity is supposed to be performed in that particular month, I'd guess that way. < 1340126688 184456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gamecube controller always looks sorta-kinda weird to me. The four-button corner is so unsymmetric, and somehow I'm also weirded out by the fact that the analog sticks are in that unsymmetric way. (Xbox controller does that too.) < 1340126745 955813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have the N64 controller saving-grace of having a place for the middle hand. < 1340126765 908348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents have lead to controllers being shitty < 1340126774 944729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1340126778 376957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can't entirely blame the patents < 1340126786 934627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think it's much about patents < 1340126820 428732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok button positioning probably isn't < 1340126853 992793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else... ahhh.... i dunno what to say < 1340126859 490558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is analog stick positioning: Compare Playstation controller with Wii Classic Controller < 1340126877 686545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the N64 controller, I haven't ever figured out any sensible button mappings from the PS3 one to it, primarily because it has those four yellow semi-directional buttons. The four-button diamond (ABXY in Xbox, cross-square-triangle-circle in PS3) could handle those, but that'd leave the primary A and B buttons unclaimed. < 1340126878 12950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, which one do you think is better? < 1340126888 447938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playstation < 1340126894 932528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, PS1, PS2 or PS3? < 1340126896 378234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross shaped d-pad was patented a long time, both styles of vibration patented, various wireless control techs patented < 1340126906 101970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine what else < 1340126907 748601 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the only one I had was a PS2 < 1340126912 971918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340126934 770019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Ratchet and Clank 3 < 1340126963 368805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not really any radical differences between the PS controllers, except the PS1 default doesn't have any analog sticks. < 1340127002 253978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: probably dinner < 1340127010 129876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After they added those in the "Dual Analog" PS1 controller, it's mostly been just incremental fiddling. < 1340127108 190928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the right-side sidebars of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualShock -- okay, the first one is light gray instead of dark, but that's about it. < 1340127166 703370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does one of those cost standalone? < 1340127168 137244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they made the buttons pressure sensitive, and fiddled with the triggers, and added the motion sensing fluff, but the shape's the same. < 1340127178 562071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be used for gamecube games. < 1340127196 1897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mine (it's a DualShock 3) cost something like 40 eur? < 1340127213 521527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is pretty steep < 1340127222 222226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about the six axis thingy? < 1340127225 389920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was/is that? < 1340127255 875939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that Sony? < 1340127267 537748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain "Sixaxis" was the first one where they added the thing where you can tilt it forward/backward/sideways/whatever and it senses that, but they also lost vibration while doing that. < 1340127288 561460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DualShock 3 has both the vibration (from DualShock 2) and the motion-sensing (from Sixaxis). < 1340127289 286308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, does the dualshock 3 have all the features? < 1340127301 101509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340127307 630008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, despite them originally saying it's physically impossible to have both or something. :p < 1340127316 310249 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1340127326 850085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I have ever used the motion sensing for anything. < 1340127369 289271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My default local (i.e. Finnish) computer-stuff webshop has a DualShock 2 for 24.90 eur and a DualShock 3 for 42.40 eur. < 1340127398 216427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does dualshock 2 miss compared to the third iteration (apart from the tilt stuff)? < 1340127411 88237 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not wireless? < 1340127420 826911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all? < 1340127424 620680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb is fine with me < 1340127425 56406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, there's that too. < 1340127461 131237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh analogue triggers it seems < 1340127470 866788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's pretty much all. Except maybe the triggers in DS3 are "more analog"? The wiki sidebars list L2 and R2 as "pressure sensitive" for DS2 and "analog triggers" for DS3. < 1340127474 866298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1340127476 811627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that might be useful. Surely there must be some cheaper third party stuff though < 1340127494 482528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OEM stuff is always more expensive in my experience < 1340127522 291470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going with third-party stuff, you might just consider one that's actually meant for plugging to a computer. The DS3 computer drivers are bit on the hacky side. < 1340127536 646091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox wireless whatever is also more computer-friendly by default. < 1340127556 292349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's what I've heard, anyway. < 1340127566 771491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would need a bluetooth thingy for my computer if I went for wireless < 1340127579 754968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing on a laptop. So that doesn't interest me. < 1340127605 343265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there is the hassle of dealing with batteries < 1340127618 69075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess why I use USB mice still? Yeah < 1340127620 448958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Windows side, they have that "XInput" thing that the Xbox controller does, and e.g. with Sonic Generations only gamepads doing XInput seem to really work well, so I have to keep the DS3 in Xbox emulation mode often. < 1340127643 64815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xbox emulation mode? It seriously has that in the hardware? < 1340127653 392557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a thing of the Windows driver I'm using. < 1340127662 1221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340127673 610450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MotioninJoy" something. < 1340127677 871714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder what gamepads for computers cost. Less I guess < 1340127692 823329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is the question of build quality as well... < 1340127703 981081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it really matters, except the games keep saying A, B, X and Y when they mean the PS3 symbols. But it's not like you'd really have time to go hunt-and-pecking for the button, so... < 1340127721 170510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I fail hard at playing wind waker using the keyboard and mouse. I can play ocarina of time just fine with such a setup < 1340127765 442029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official "Wireless Xbox 360" pad is 34.90 in the same shop. (I presume it's only optionally wireless like the DS3 and can be used plugged in, too.) < 1340127827 184938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion's Steam version only worked in x360 emulation mode too, I suppose many people are using those so it's what they test with. I don't have any first-hand quality-difference knowledge since I only have this one pad. < 1340127841 348517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Wireless (proprietary 2.4 GHz protocol), USB" says wikipedia < 1340127879 663703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they sell the receiver (for computers) if it's some proprietary stuff, then. < 1340127899 955845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastion seems suboptimal to play with a pad IMO. While bastion is essentially a twin stick shooter, the aiming would be far more precise using a mouse. And wasd for movement works fine (an analogue input would be better for that bit) < 1340127919 770883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some sort of an auto-aim thing in the pad control mode, I think. < 1340127927 136207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway bastion is XNA. Probably the issue lies with XNA there < 1340127931 470680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? urgh < 1340127953 657184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like auto aim < 1340127955 451877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locks to the enemy you're approximately pointing towards, and then I think you can cycle with L1/R1. I really only played just through the intro so far. < 1340127969 461796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still far less precision I would guess. < 1340127981 528929 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what the bastion linux version runs on < 1340127993 62207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, mono, I checked < 1340128005 939576 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1340128016 67124 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know Mono did XNA < 1340128025 64821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono itself doesn't, exactly. < 1340128026 220850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you /really/ need to play that game. It is awesome. But yeah, give mouse and keyboard a try. IMO it works perfectly fine and though I haven't tried pad I suspect it might be superior to a pad. < 1340128028 784583 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink... now has an iPad version < 1340128038 432175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was some project or another. MonoGame? Some silly name like that. < 1340128039 84077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Uplink had typing bits. < 1340128050 819321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yep pretty sure it did. < 1340128064 167547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they offer copy and paste or something? < 1340128066 877162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know the xbox controller has a hole in it for audio headsets. The More You Know.) < 1340128074 982117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340128078 850639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it definitely did; you need to type bank account numbers by hand, and withdrawal amounts, and bank IPs < 1340128090 186384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPs yeah I remember < 1340128106 605934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember doing a bank mission in that. I guess I must have done though < 1340128113 380025 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the "hack into a bank and steal 1000000 credits before you even start the main plot" exploit is kind of messed up. < 1340128130 496716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ah, you missed out. < 1340128181 340361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some Uplink speedrun (or funny-extra-story LP, or something) started with an initial bank run. < 1340128185 123683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it gives you missions to "track a fraudulent transfer" or something, and the thing is that as part of it you *have* to hack into an account which will always have several hundred thousand credits. < 1340128189 871014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340128212 705337 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah; I never actually played through it without doing a bank run. < 1340128219 179917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340128234 25975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Wireless Gaming Receiver (sold as "Crossfire Wireless Gaming Receiver" in the UK) allows wireless Xbox 360 accessories, such as wireless gamepads, racing wheels and headsets, to be used on a Windows-based PC." Right, they do sell that thing, I see. < 1340128305 662846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Bluetooth USB "dongle" here somewhere, I think it might well be the smallest "peripheral" I own. I can't even quite locate it right now, it's that small. < 1340128313 71617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.databest.fi/blueusb21.htm <- it's one of these. < 1340128768 717838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1340128769 423720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340128771 141987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11 < 1340128771 592208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1340128774 63357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pi_11 is correct, I'm pretty sure, but it's this crazy double-exponential thing that isn't going to compute more than a few digits in practice ever. < 1340128777 238200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it count for golfing? < 1340128842 148549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it up to the first 8 < 1340128873 147058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with 9. < 1340128877 535536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got it < 1340128877 698547 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340128887 755499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where pi_10 < 1340128890 38204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1340128890 573283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Using ghc -O2? If not, perhaps do so, for the constant factor improvement. < 1340128897 774263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, using GHCi < 1340128901 263314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would say it "counts", but dioesn't count. < 1340128907 89798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THIS ISN'T ABOUT CONSTANT FACTORS < 1340128924 497868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to get lambdabot to run it it needs to generate 74 digits or something. < 1340128930 650438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062" < 1340128932 54658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 74 < 1340128934 305180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :75, I guess. < 1340128955 239020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1340128955 601786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(p,q)%d=p*d`div`q;w(p,q)i=(p*i+1,q*i);(x:y:s)^d|y%d>x%d=s^d|0<1=mod(x%d)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show < 1340128956 351797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_11 < 1340128956 534594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about e_11. < 1340128988 240420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress: http://hpaste.org/70159 < 1340129002 7536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It got broken sometime around the 10^6^n point.) < 1340129018 694275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's fixed now.) < 1340129183 403545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked better when it was in GHCi < 1340129361 137766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You probably forgot to turn off output buffering. < 1340129523 465229 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1340129555 335023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hSetBuffering Output TurnOff < 1340129647 69996 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340129651 261482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that does better < 1340129724 293742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_9 < 1340129724 850108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pi_9. < 1340129729 463776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_9 < 1340129730 85337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about e_9. < 1340129736 949990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340129780 115175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got to 7! < 1340129812 637299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a quote < 1340129816 893716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pi < 1340129819 752001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 14) First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. \ 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 29) < 1340129827 710753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote po < 1340129831 128037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340129836 778188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote week < 1340129839 777672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :164) It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS \ 397) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1340129845 884450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 397 < 1340129849 238684 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1340129878 256087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good algorithm < 1340129890 323538 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very fast hardware < 1340129901 978885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the former < 1340129913 229559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was ICA compiled to hardware, I think. < 1340129950 915088 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA? < 1340129976 442701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think programming will be any easier with a direct mind-computer interface < 1340129982 995371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idealised Concurrent Algol. < 1340130008 867155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, my ICT teacher had a mind-computer interface < 1340130014 197063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was innaccurate < 1340130024 908701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merlin could use it to play the helicopter game < 1340130033 628272 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My uncle works on them, but only on the UI side. < 1340130036 887494 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning is pain. < 1340130043 65236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dare even repeat: learning is pain. < 1340130058 378375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he'd finished with that, ISTR asking about it. < 1340130060 613728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, wrong. pain is learning. < 1340130067 283735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fallacy is in "Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE." < 1340130070 993340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My uncle works in a bank < 1340130082 755169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my uncles work in banks < 1340130083 782684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My aunt is an accountant. < 1340130093 289359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if she works in a bank. < 1340130096 978579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no blood aunts < 1340130121 918530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to learn... but... < 1340130129 790316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things are not worth knowing < 1340130143 719619 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly important to be able to survive a day at a time < 1340130160 470804 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I survive a week and a half at a time < 1340130192 61290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :little tips like "going without food and/or water and/or sleep and/or blood will kill you" < 1340130204 376990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or breathing < 1340130207 589811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340130208 11586 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti < 1340130220 709693 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1340130223 438616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be a vampure < 1340130228 751372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340130233 365571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its like a vampire but australian) < 1340130261 91430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i produce my own blood, but still, i need to keep it < 1340130280 375535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood is just mates you eat, crikey. < 1340130320 187078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just for instance bleed and bleed all day < 1340130337 846543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however... < 1340130348 127135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: itidus21 is a man. < 1340130358 942476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself -----###
< 1340130368 961662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can probably live without legs or arms or sight or hearing or hair < 1340130406 702621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some vitamin and mineral deficiencies would kill me more slowly < 1340130406 862630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you'd get sunburnt without the last one < 1340130434 15964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm due to buy some vitamin d tablets < 1340130434 265358 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340130456 217654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid rickets? < 1340130467 565648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid crickets. < 1340130470 300192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340130473 473749 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're deadly in Australia. < 1340130473 633948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called ostelin < 1340130506 234533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti you realise there's this cheap vitamin d supplement called 'sunlight' < 1340130527 569423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my doctor never fails to remind me that it only takes 15 - 30 minutes of sunlight a day < 1340130560 335372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in Scotland we don't have any of that. < 1340130630 412744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thought of having a machine fill head with data is disturbing < 1340130647 334736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably feel a lot like being in a video game < 1340130668 153139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having no experiences on which to base your knowledge < 1340130688 231772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning by being told things < 1340130702 682680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only being able to test what you are being told by thinking about it < 1340130762 162730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds heavily biased towards the needs of society over the needs of the individual < 1340130796 695375 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t followed the discussion, but i wouldn’t mind being able to make queries and get responses just like in a REPL or with a web browser, but with direct neural communication with the computer. < 1340130838 541005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nerves in your fingertips! < 1340130841 470200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340130849 449703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nerves in your eyes < 1340130871 210668 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, REALLY? < 1340130891 587811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im completely against all this direct mind computer stuff < 1340130948 891345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ads in your optic nerve are the bomb. < 1340131030 295611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean, that makes you want to make bombs. < 1340131083 201369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA is Independent Component Analysis and no silly Algol thing, also. < 1340131099 13446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ambiguity in acronyms is bad.) < 1340131190 736544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they've also fed the bomb-making desires directly to my head. < 1340131278 943589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not inherently against augmented reality < 1340131314 86732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never discount the effect of human nature upon the introduction of new technologies though < 1340131316 169240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real fucking mind control from laser satellites", like a well-known thinker once said. < 1340131428 901436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not have been those exact words, I'm afraid.) < 1340131447 799122 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340131492 55055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahh the only reason they even care about your head is because the most dangerous person is one from inside the group < 1340131540 156834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no more different than bribing someone on the opposing sports team to injure one of his best teammates < 1340131561 336622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except since a bribe is too expensive < 1340131570 769372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the expense would make the whole thing pointless < 1340131625 526443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that is to say, "fed the bomb-making desires directly to my head" it's like finding a free way to bribe someone on the opposing sports team to injure one of his best teammates < 1340131695 711257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since bribing is too expensive and also it's open to free will and potential negotiations < 1340131796 217786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once everyone realized that there was technology actively doing such things, they would start changing the rules of the sport to accomodate for it to happen < 1340131852 131694 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "ok we know our citizens are being brainwashed to build bombs, so we will perform scans on as many of them as possible" < 1340131892 228972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we will put up more security so that said citizen is less of a threat, we will strip him of more rights < 1340131920 589933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.... < 1340132476 889630 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like how an easy way to go to war would be random poisoning of water resevoirs < 1340132542 470449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same general principle < 1340132597 483364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention < 1340132626 614805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am speaking a bit out of my mind though < 1340132687 343732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that there is no long term process of relaxing security around the world < 1340132717 261483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's all just on a downward spiral to big brother < 1340132768 131269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats my naivety talking < 1340132821 69326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh.. with fizzie's brainwashing comment it's like < 1340132829 241667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should rise up and take the power back? < 1340132839 609237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time the fat cats had a heart attack < 1340132868 210174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know their time's coming to an end, so we need to unify and watch the flag ascend < 1340132871 307612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ahh.. who would be the best person to brainwash to kill that rebel leader? i know. lets brainwash his own family to do it" < 1340132899 80626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They won't control us; we'll be victorious < 1340132901 474457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure, it will mean families will no longer be able to trust each other, but at least we will have our victory" < 1340132941 659018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK I HAVE TO BAN YOU NOW FOR REVEALING TOO MUCH < 1340132976 929459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get bad when i rant on non-computing topics :-( < 1340132986 344396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counter balance this commotion < 1340132994 712975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 isn't a droplet in the ocean < 1340133029 567981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a little bit insane < 1340133057 910277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be seeing the psychiatrist at my local doctor's office some time < 1340133072 942623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychologist/chiatrist whatever < 1340133138 983956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might want to delete User:Heliumint < 1340133186 117294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my overall point is that you can analyze why some army might want to brainwash someone.. and when you do you for better or worse realize that it's just part of military life < 1340133187 414141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1340133215 866111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1340133231 178108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340133251 346566 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-35.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340133270 708102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the cia spent so much effort on it is worrying to say the least.. i guess that means in reality all militaries have had equivalent programs which they were better at covering up < 1340133296 495783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all super power militaries < 1340133318 329250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow doubt burma had a program studying mind control < 1340133367 439231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: um i think it was pretty well-established that the communists knew how to brainwash for decades... < 1340133423 785684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the songs I quoted was named for a project such at that < 1340133427 128682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MK Ultra < 1340133451 42976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess then that in reality the intent to brainwash is the critical thing.. rather than the means < 1340133462 815475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340133478 182582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems elliott had enough < 1340133634 658787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if what you are learning from the computer in a mind-computer interface is math then maybe it would be good < 1340133653 488843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since math doesn't really need experience of reality < 1340133684 724354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it < 1340133689 976736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@-) < 1340133690 194042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ bf do ft id pl rc v wn < 1340133703 508891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: basically < 1340133712 323531 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @_@ < 1340133756 890387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would bring with it a whole slew of other problems < 1340133795 573617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, since the self, society, world and universe, is in constant change... then knowledge needs to be somewhat localized < 1340133807 475198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you have to know the language where you live < 1340133843 350291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no good being fluent in japanese and chinese and thai while living in australia if you don't know english < 1340133881 895970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since even the languages change... if you learned a language.. you would need updates < 1340133922 851590 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you wuoldn't learn language < 1340134048 665842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone learn language? < 1340134152 366525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paid too much attention to " First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. \ 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 29)" < 1340134203 357861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134203 789662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134206 203046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :254) [on egojoust] The fact is that EgoBot's % handling is O(slow) and O(big), and mine isn't. < 1340134218 746593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :465) It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. < 1340134231 141416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134231 696457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134232 139513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134237 321968 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is this itidus20 guy < 1340134238 750118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :675) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1340134249 586499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :661) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. < 1340134250 571011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :269) 320 quotes and still not a funny one yet! < 1340134255 567444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: is that, like, your age in the nick? < 1340134266 647164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope... sadly not < 1340134366 804301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glasgow must be a fun place < 1340134389 509396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a lot of them hate billy connolly < 1340134441 876421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crime is one of those things that make places FUN < 1340134460 684642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340134477 972958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're due for Grand Theft Auto: Glasgow < 1340134541 12981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :further reason for that being: < 1340134545 123427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rockstar North (formerly DMA Design Ltd) is a British video game developer based in Edinburgh, Scotland, best known for creating the Grand Theft Auto" < 1340134582 697501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google grand theft auto glasgow < 1340134585 154822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICYt3MH0cwE < 1340134585 315346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: GTA: Glasgow - YouTube < 1340134610 861697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :edinburgh, the other glasgow < 1340134704 905201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the other Glasgow was in Ukraine or somewhere < 1340134815 785231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is glasgow < 1340135049 294845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate watching youtubes where the people in the video are all cooler than me < 1340135172 89270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once played a cool person on stage < 1340135277 967490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make you cool? < 1340135302 421462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1340135308 67137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me glad I'm not < 1340135332 162305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340135358 89591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340135429 306046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, those leather jackets are really, really hot on the inside < 1340135588 939429 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, funnily enough, my visits to Glasgow have always been fairly boring. < 1340135937 552786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why place it in Britan? They already did that back in GTA 2 iirc? (I know there has been a GTA in London!) < 1340135981 356213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #hexhamproblems There's no GTA:Hexham < 1340135983 638049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not do Paris, or if they want an English speaking country (understandable), either Australia or New Zealand < 1340136014 3754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand nature can be quite amazing from what I seen from photos < 1340136055 10553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and GTA games are all about beautiful landscapes. < 1340136077 65180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, didn't San Andreas had a bit of country side in it < 1340136090 727056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only played the first one. :/ < 1340136093 196416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :video games are pretty much the greatest thing ever < 1340136094 692005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could do a city located in some amazing terrain. Like the side of a hill < 1340136112 910846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in the entire universe.. < 1340136118 557234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTA:Venezia < 1340136123 290209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1340136130 917131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *Venice < 1340136148 479782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm that might be fun. After all there are already boats in GTA IV at least < 1340136152 578260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helicopters too < 1340136169 47030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole process of evolution(or whatever) from bacteria to fish to land creatures to primates to humans.. and through the stone age and the industrial age.. < 1340136175 693098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suggestion: drop all the straight avenue stuff and offer winding streets and what not < 1340136179 755811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all so that video games could exist < 1340136191 705139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: the joke is that venice is a no-cars zone) < 1340136212 621732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dude did that ever stop the protagonist in any GTA game? ;P < 1340136236 543549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing data-nerd research on video games < 1340136248 259897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, never played it < 1340136263 550996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He needs cars around to steal, anyway. < 1340136269 607758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1340136270 696939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340136277 385267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well what it did really well was create a believable city < 1340136295 177779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is made or broken on the basis that you get the illusion of being in a city < 1340136297 144774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GTA:ISS -- Grand Theft Auto in space. < 1340136320 649056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. since a lot of it is driving in traffic or exploring < 1340136334 777764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illusion holds up really well < 1340136355 316459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 2d gta's it's a lot of fun waiting at traffic lights < 1340136368 972910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I do think that GTA set in a city on a hillside (possibly some Mediterranean setting) would be fun. Since you likely want a big city I would suggest making the old city (parts of the city core) like that. Then you could include suburbs that had a more modern layout better suited to high speed driving. < 1340136379 759449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else can you find a game which has cars at traffic lights.. that you can jump out and blow them up causing a pile up < 1340136383 856141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: monaco perhaps < 1340136392 909831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite a pileup < 1340136393 476890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm perhaps < 1340136396 656795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it doesn't really in GTA IV IMO < 1340136396 816281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, who's winning your football? BBC is disappointingly ambiguous < 1340136407 385940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the illusion is ruined by the relatively small size. < 1340136412 990161 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the originals are good though! < 1340136415 570387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you realize there is a lack of suburbs and what not < 1340136422 642130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played GTA 1 / GTA 2 < 1340136425 80885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1340136440 742010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never really played 3/4 < 1340136454 773469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are the swedes still playing? i heard they had no chance of advancing < 1340136463 566440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to play < 1340136465 945748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I played 4 and a bit of San Andreas which iirc is like 3.5 or something? < 1340136483 252308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty sure swedes still play gta < 1340136500 280474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess they're not at the knock out stage < 1340136502 340377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sweden is winning this match < 1340136512 197077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what match? < 1340136512 859525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, still group stages < 1340136518 534622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden vs France < 1340136526 373349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sport? < 1340136532 87293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gta1 is about fun i think. these modern ones seems to be about satisfying sadists < 1340136534 690694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Association Football < 1340136545 514447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, "Association"? < 1340136549 353985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340136566 148637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your ability to ignore the world keeps flabbergasting us < 1340136568 911724 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to, eg. Rugby, American, Gaelic, Canadian, Aussie Rules, International < 1340136573 691307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know the word < 1340136578 311383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other Rugby < 1340136579 505740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just not in the context of football < 1340136589 700899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1340136592 519540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aussie rules football is basically only big in aus i guess < 1340136597 912467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in aus it is very big < 1340136603 863102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still the Europe-contest thingy < 1340136606 772934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no i mean, not knowing there's a european championship going on... < 1340136607 140042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called association football because it's administered by the Football Association < 1340136609 562403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was over already < 1340136613 673739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, not in NSW or Queensland < 1340136628 374163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh i forgot.. that it was originally VFL < 1340136641 654489 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :D < 1340136650 393338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Victoria++ < 1340136657 195102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't really pay any attention to such sports. And since I hadn't heard about it in a while on the front page of the daily news paper I simply assumed it was completed < 1340136661 749085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't read the sports pages < 1340136661 914093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you i manage to shock the neighbor lady with how little i follow soccer, so...) < 1340136671 542264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/heard/seen/ < 1340136704 437444 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a five second hockey clip by accident < 1340136728 943467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't follow it closely but i could rattle off a fair list of aussie rules celebrities at least.. so i guess that gives me that "i know something because i live here" feeling < 1340136737 877023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how tragic. Did you manage to recover from the shock? < 1340136762 788309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I think my cousin plays it at a High School level < 1340136767 488349 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just barely < 1340136786 959013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, really football (soccer for Americans) is an utterly boring sport. You get maybe at most 2-3 goals in a match. Most of the time there is nothing much going on, just players running from one end of the play-field to the other. < 1340136790 120299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. tim watson, kevin sheedy, sam newman, eddie mcguire, jim stines(?), humm.. then my memory starts to become slower < 1340136802 777430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mick malthouse < 1340136808 933310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, high-scoring does not mean interesting < 1340136814 312389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point: Test cricket < 1340136824 722637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the issue is that there is nothing much interesting going on < 1340136835 462208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steven kernighan, gary ablett < 1340136836 778692 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340136840 390194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In those terms, maybe basketball is the best sport? < 1340136844 962223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if the play-field was made significantly smaller and the match time set to maybe 20 minutes in total, then the sport might have something going for it < 1340136851 120391 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Please check "Here Is My Vote" on facebook, like the page and join the movement. Please share with your friends. http://www.facebook.com/HereIsMyVote Best, Emilio < 1340136860 317995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 5 a side football < 1340136865 347163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome likethepage < 1340136868 22334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1340136868 888357 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :found message from someone < 1340136875 888121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why would anyone want to follow soccer? or even be aware that other people are doing it? < 1340136888 829870 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a programming language or a chat? < 1340136895 547846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda both < 1340136913 656275 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent me a link i thought i would share here < 1340136918 494225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Hm I do enjoy fast esports for example. I watched some Shootmania recently (that game is still in alpha) and the rounds lasted like less than 1 minute each. A lot of fast action going on. < 1340136929 337107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mystery of the ages < 1340136940 573620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1340136988 360270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aim to be as unaware as possible when it comes to sports, but unfortunately I have heard of this european thing and have even seen parts of several matches < 1340136993 704896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i kinda feel bad that i don't get involved in watching sport much < 1340136995 16402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oerjan: exactly < 1340137015 477472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, I need to actually try to watch a basketball match at some point < 1340137018 709654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know how to really follow the action on a tactical level < 1340137062 709854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it bothers me i can't actually list aussie rules players.. and i don't know what they did < 1340137071 275646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the answer is don't. Pick a team and support them right or wrong < 1340137071 649742 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why some of them became commentators < 1340137075 737877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Geelong Cats < 1340137076 898798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, High level starcraft can be semi-interesting to watch. I'm not hugely into it. Probably because I don't know the game itself well enough (and I don't own Starcraft) < 1340137079 844947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a team < 1340137086 817211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh.. yes they are! < 1340137093 336687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a tendency to drag on sometimes though < 1340137120 25113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: i kinda feel bad that i don't get involved in watching sport much <-- why would you do that? < 1340137150 372009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you feel bad over that < 1340137154 904152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1340137156 798712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too removed from my society < 1340137171 44834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no fodder for small talk < 1340137175 512241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the weather < 1340137177 2948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1340137183 869356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even follow the weather < 1340137187 233755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, have you ever read the Last Continent < 1340137195 986863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340137198 612880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, of course < 1340137206 782594 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about the weather to Australians just makes them angry < 1340137208 491792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I own the complete set of Discworld books < 1340137214 673694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is he australian? < 1340137234 804423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1340137242 666578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's twice as Australian as I am < 1340137247 812162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1340137248 497801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also I thought that was just made up for the plot of the book... (Wrt the no-rain stuff, since it *does* rain in parts of australia) < 1340137258 872315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably < 1340137261 43957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means very little < 1340137263 290669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, also when you study CS at university, you can make small talk about programming < 1340137266 294744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for me < 1340137287 637827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but.. i don't actually have any programming friends offline < 1340137293 975316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have at that < 1340137298 250968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I discussed self-modifying .NET code as small talk with a guy at lunch once < 1340137301 497110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blab bla bla blab bla blab haskell blab prepromorphism < 1340137303 650264 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also join the emacs or vim faction < 1340137320 456595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like totally zygohistomorphic < 1340137335 146393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you will get them if you go for computer science or computer engineering at university though < 1340137341 583368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340137383 217376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually worry me < 1340137401 675816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't really say anything in a sports discussion cos i don't know anything < 1340137417 182146 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big bang theory had an episode about this < 1340137457 502349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that guy had a strange fixation of screwing over Windows C/C# programs as much as possible by doing weird things. < 1340137473 996271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guys girlfriend is gonna watch the game with her friends.. so he decides he will go along.. so he studies up on the rules of the sport.. and then when they're chilling it he starts over analyzing everything as it happens in the game < 1340137487 785783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made interesting conversation to begin with, but after a couple of times it gets a bit boring < 1340137511 505728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^out < 1340137516 682444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT Crowd had an episode about this too < 1340137525 818404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that ended up with a bank robbery < 1340137526 898599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I haven't watched either of those < 1340137542 809269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT crowd is pretty cool < 1340137546 869960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, two TV shows about nerds < 1340137550 12548 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340137552 149751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I know that < 1340137560 280079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boss is so bad < 1340137568 117764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't even have a TV currently. < 1340137572 826542 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bang Theory is theoretical physicists, IT Crowd is tech support < 1340137619 904912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I plan to get one. Why would I need one. I can watch a lot of the Swedish public service channel content over the internet (legally, and for free). And there is very little of that which I'm interested in < 1340137643 477933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just the new year celebration program. That is kind of a Swedish tradition. < 1340137656 650915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, TV = a big screen for a computer < 1340137660 896407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get one for that reason < 1340137675 630730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for movies etc < 1340137677 130340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well one hopes thats not true to the BBC < 1340137680 444466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the wrong connectors though. Neither DVI nor DP (which are the ones I have) < 1340137683 210062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also low DPI < 1340137690 78109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340137701 880991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from normal viewing distance you don't care about the DPI < 1340137710 995402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I and watch the valvaka (translates to "election wake", but with none of the morbid associations) < 1340137711 646881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good TV:s have the right kinds of connections < 1340137715 813391 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are TVs with DVI connectors, probably DisplayPort as well. < 1340137720 497699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the idea is to shut up and pay the BBC whether you have tv or not < 1340137725 252123 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that's what you meant by DP) < 1340137731 503298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI pretty much equals HDMI except for the shape, and all TVs have *that*. < 1340137757 243757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, err I don't have a sofa. I prefer to sit in an office chair. I have a really expensive comfy one with lots of levers. < 1340137767 931144 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2013 the queen decreed that Australians should also pay for the BBC < 1340137768 678974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I prefer my computer monitor < 1340137781 616527 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340137785 915053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chair made out of nothing but levers. < 1340137787 695448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340137788 627301 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay for the bbc < 1340137792 828719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bad joke) < 1340137795 791496 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next the US has to pay for BBC < 1340137801 564294 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being liberated from UK < 1340137803 567037 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 200 years < 1340137804 900461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340137808 547801 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so they say) < 1340137810 770323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why not < 1340137816 146965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, almost < 1340137818 994902 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbc better than fox and nbc < 1340137823 181181 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldnt be a waste < 1340137830 35348 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnn too < 1340137833 925913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: well they could work out some negotiation under the table < 1340137839 687982 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what reports however < 1340137846 22529 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think each service has their pros and cons < 1340137850 320579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC World Service is like the world's TV channel < 1340137852 724200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll fund the BBC if you host our military bases < 1340137857 682613 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340137862 135295 :Guest24216!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340137873 698583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for the English speaking part only I guess? < 1340137876 674820 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with CNN and FOX is the newscasters become more like actors < 1340137880 175108 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than reporters < 1340137897 78772 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show becomes centered on the reporter < 1340137902 238664 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the content of the report < 1340137906 277667 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example < 1340137908 924425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually seen american tv much.. like real american tv < 1340137916 926987 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 Student Uprising in Iran < 1340137917 645968 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear about it offhand < 1340137919 245243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, primarily the war-torn bits where the only domestic channel is controlled by the government, I think < 1340137922 361374 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes on the air for like a week < 1340137928 631714 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then michael jackson dies < 1340137935 815052 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hes on the news for 6 months < 1340137944 625729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, for news I just prefer a news paper. Higher quality journalism. Especially higher quality investigative journalism. < 1340137944 785659 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with this picture? < 1340137947 138077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, that's the media in general < 1340137950 663767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with SvD in Sweden < 1340137964 676491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah < 1340137968 782745 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah or the blogosphere < 1340138016 902866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, not the way it was in the high quality morning news papers here. < 1340138030 190796 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1340138033 933376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden < 1340138047 166083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, and Brits on holiday. It's in English, it's broadcast in Italy, and it's got less adverts than content < 1340138049 389414 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138050 511904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, michael jackson death was news like one day. < 1340138055 759201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not major news iirc < 1340138058 371182 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340138060 303845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish national broadcast company (YLE) has this "TV Finland" for Finnish people who have the misfortune to live abroad. < 1340138067 283244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, heh < 1340138072 721163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broadcast through some satellites. < 1340138083 5608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Swedish Radio has some sort of international broadcast < 1340138085 623737 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138086 509965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the TV < 1340138088 745385 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to check it out. < 1340138097 432577 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to the nearest IKEA/ < 1340138107 332450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when I learn Finnish, I may watch that < 1340138107 569311 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1340138110 983148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen it anywhere in e.g. any hotels, though, unlike BBC World which is just everywhere. < 1340138111 747445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, I doubt they have Swedish daily news papers there < 1340138114 19913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they < 1340138118 731285 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should < 1340138121 342210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1340138126 241796 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1340138132 995110 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they dont. < 1340138153 682677 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are all over the world, they should bring those newspapers along with them. < 1340138164 678002 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we are on the topic of blogosphere < 1340138179 317555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, as far as I understood they try to sell Swedish stuff to non-Swedes abroad, rather than carter for the minor group that consists of Swedes living abroad. < 1340138191 577007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they broadcast it through "THOR 5" and it's visible pretty much in Europe. < 1340138193 76896 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent this link to me if you are all interested in checking out... www.facebook.com/hereismyvote < 1340138202 184189 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree vorpal < 1340138212 875234 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not seem to care much for actual swedes < 1340138236 553908 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just market the "swedishness" and wait for the $$$ to roll in < 1340138252 488217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to beam some radio channels into other satellites but they seem to have stopped that. < 1340138274 257127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, in Sweden IKEA pretty much just sell furniture and that sort of stuff. Sometimes there is a lunch restaurant in connection to it as well, and maybe one of those usual ice cream boxes at the checkouts. None of all that crazy stuff I hear they do abroad. < 1340138296 472134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not just maybe. Ice cream boxes are everywhere < 1340138300 920123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all the radio stations you can nowadays get through the interweb, which might explain that. < 1340138323 907547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: i'm torn because you have joined the conversation - but if you paste that link again i _will_ ban you. < 1340138340 985508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Finnish IKEAs I've visited have had a restaurant. Not that it's a very special restaurant. < 1340138356 43460 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340138360 499902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a meatball discount with the IKEA customer card dealie. < 1340138366 370499 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused what is the rule for link posts? < 1340138367 313646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is Krauta (spelling?) Finnish btw? < 1340138381 666338 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i want to share other article < 1340138382 37604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they sell planks and nails and screws and so on < 1340138385 611424 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will get banned? < 1340138386 822741 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :K-Rauta < 1340138392 479202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe < 1340138406 457338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes. < 1340138421 675572 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138430 386098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, it is spammy. You are self promoting in a way similar to a spambot on a forum :P < 1340138441 922115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's part of the same corporate structure as the "KKK SuperMarkets" I mentioned before. < 1340138444 982029 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are spam bots that smart? < 1340138453 196795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone can explain that better < 1340138459 223614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at oerjan
< 1340138476 813633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm we don't have that chain < 1340138477 9849 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really self promotion however < 1340138483 19335 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pertains to a cause lol < 1340138485 883145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, K-Rauta is the only one I know of < 1340138494 576888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, well, cause promotion then < 1340138508 149992 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :human rights is not worthy? < 1340138508 751471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does "Rauta" mean? < 1340138515 330573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Iron". < 1340138516 369763 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not marketing gillete to you all < 1340138530 510022 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sending garbage links with trojans < 1340138537 363960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, I wouldn't post links about amnesty international here either, unless that was relevant to the discussed topic < 1340138586 525047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't checked your link, I hope that was a different organisation than what you used) < 1340138600 373760 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138601 970995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unsolicited marketing. Whether it is a good cause or not is irrelevant when it is presented in that form < 1340138602 366843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Rautakauppa" (lit. "iron store") is the common Finnish term for a "hardware store" like that. < 1340138616 221949 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340138627 482564 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not amnesty < 1340138634 534031 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with the blogosphere < 1340138642 930298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: well both your nickname _and_ the link url look suspicious to me. but in general, links should be relevant to the channel. and moreover, it should be _very_ relevant if it's the first thing you say when you join here for the first time... < 1340138646 814701 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when speaking of IT gadgets "rauta" can mean "hardware" < 1340138664 560553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. Here it is "byggvaruhandel" (lit. "building commodity trader" I guess?) < 1340138680 391427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, England and France have advanced to the knock out stages, at the expense of Ukraine and Sweden < 1340138682 699181 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan < 1340138688 847938 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look spammy < 1340138694 900470 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to post link on first introduction < 1340138698 381683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, maybe we /should/ discuss something on topic for once? < 1340138714 316742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we do when they happen to come up of course < 1340138723 625672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that is never when new people join :/ < 1340138763 578455 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340138768 346333 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a deafening silence < 1340138771 120990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340138799 958026 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is behind that link? (browser being in facebook blacklist, not having facebook account, etc.) < 1340138820 2526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah who has a facebook account? Google+ FTW! ;P < 1340138834 294935 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340138837 80531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a Google+ account. I don't use it. I don't have facebook or twitter or anything) < 1340138865 230292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need an account to see it, but navigating the 'book was too annoying with the phone to try to figure out what it was about. < 1340138874 835669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have root access to a VPS running nginx, it is enough if I need to upload something that doesn't fit into a pastebin < 1340138881 751014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Google+ but google says my browser is no longer supported < 1340138890 870873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a G+ thing too. I think I added a maybe-elliott to my circles. < 1340138907 723882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what browser is that!? < 1340138918 472540 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 < 1340138958 586753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maybe-elliott had the default silhouette avatar picture as avatar, except it was upside down, as I recall. < 1340138967 773213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the link is about whether iran should be an islamic republic (NO) < 1340138968 174785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue with facebook. If I go to like a public profile page and there are some truncated (by "...") posts in the section where stuff from their friends show up, it wants me to login to read what is behind that "..." < 1340138970 566025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER < 1340138975 795406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do view source < 1340138980 347031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the full message is there < 1340138987 262536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _very_ off-topic i'd say. < 1340138999 800417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of comments in arabic writing. < 1340139006 924527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alphabet < 1340139016 970566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's probably farsi rather than arabic < 1340139062 485623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the maybe elliott added me < 1340139075 920915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trapped me in a circle or whatever < 1340139149 701830 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.that facebook page shows me login dialog and nothing else < 1340139169 127337 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? < 1340139171 277729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would personally advise against doing politic opinion in this channel in general. Politic analysis is fine I guess if there is nothing more interesting going on. (example: "Hey, X won the election in Greece, now what is going to happen to the Euro I wonder?") < 1340139171 438840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: it's the kind of link that wouldn't be an issue if you'd been a regular here for months, but which definitely is an issue when you do it on your first day. < 1340139182 748507 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340139197 258596 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought conversation changed by now lol < 1340139199 807175 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spam it twice in first hour < 1340139215 894957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no repeating indeed I would say < 1340139226 837746 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340139274 773759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, /has/ any conclusion been reached with respect to the election in Greece? < 1340139310 637919 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like < 1340139315 332324 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be on the Euro < 1340139323 599601 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however what evades me < 1340139331 166821 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the UK was never on the Euro < 1340139337 277132 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why should Greece? < 1340139363 473228 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be that nothing good has come of the Euro. < 1340139364 715271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, the UK got a special opt-out < 1340139370 126699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are on the Euro already. The issue is that they didn't manage finances correctly. So they are essential bankrupt < 1340139381 729256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if we disallowed it altogether we'd have to ban pikhq long ago :P < 1340139384 784767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from various emergency things) < 1340139391 115175 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the issue < 1340139392 140277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with one of Denmark and Sweden, the other of which is sorta never going to use the Euro anyway < 1340139397 70972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh yeah right. I said I would advise against it < 1340139398 328074 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were not on the Euro < 1340139403 234900 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they joined the euro < 1340139406 980315 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greecee < 1340139407 341736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no Sweden didn't get an opt-out < 1340139413 329594 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denmark, then < 1340139431 869789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, iirc we just lie and say we are not fulfilling the requirements XD (This *may* be an urban myth, I don't know) < 1340139433 696058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :denmark has an opt-out, sweden is using tactics to avoid the issue < 1340139435 129227 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is prior to the Euro Greece was not doing well but they were not doing terrible < 1340139460 360286 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I knew that it was Denmark and Sweden, but not which way round < 1340139477 429512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we would have gotten an opt-out though < 1340139481 780140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now < 1340139488 150032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have to continue like this I guess < 1340139502 718270 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to wait and see < 1340139506 147756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you happen to know the exact form of that tactic? Is it just what I said above? < 1340139511 942884 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of which econoomic stan dard < 1340139512 640596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: presumably greece thought it would be good to join, even if they had to lie to achieve it < 1340139514 249949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, assassinate all the pro-euro greek polititians < 1340139530 182042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more or less, i think... < 1340139534 369660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I think that is the reverse of what the rest of Europe wants? < 1340139541 452413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1340139546 303885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's what Sweden wants! < 1340139567 759258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1340139572 482581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think so? < 1340139586 870201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: except i think it's probably _technically_ not a lie that you are not fulfilling the technical requirements - but that's not because you can't, but because you're not at all _trying_ :P < 1340139615 497297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically Greece would go bankrupt if they left the Euro. Currently they are managing to avoid that thanks to various emergency solutions. < 1340139624 889591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1340139638 500483 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps even intentionally not fulfilling them. :) < 1340139662 859873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the technical requirements then? I thought it was something wrt. the budget deficit or something? < 1340139694 969128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would be political suicide for any Swedish government to try to introduce the Euro. Especially now. < 1340139695 823765 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340139712 657645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139715 841408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340139725 853238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139731 57756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139758 236367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm sure wikipedia knows all... < 1340139763 867018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a referendum about this a few years ago as well. Though iirc it was not mandatory for them to follow. Just "vägledande" (whatever that translates to!) < 1340139778 381476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"advising" ? < 1340139780 59120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Could you gloss the morphemes? < 1340139782 558790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly? < 1340139783 956585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advisory < 1340139786 528301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1340139811 642634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit I'm having to use google translate a lot when discussing this. I can manage just fine when discussing computers and such. But politics? Nope. < 1340139814 349047 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340139835 237672 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Gloss" in this context means to give a short word or phrase describing it, "morpheme" means, well, the individual parts composing a word. < 1340139837 12200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the morphemes help much, it means "way guiding" < 1340139848 609581 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alas, not much help. < 1340139856 151531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't that I don't know the words. I recognize which one is the correct when google translate gives me the list. I just can't actively remember the translations) < 1340139860 839734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in this particular context "advisory" at least makes *sense*. < 1340139865 247394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think advisory is what is meant < 1340139871 224341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah probably advisory < 1340139880 811842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate suggested "indicative" which just sounded wrong < 1340139942 955741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if I put in "vägledande folkomröstning" it suggests "consultative referendum" < 1340139947 461225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does that make any sense? < 1340139947 656649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair all norwegian referenda are "veiledende", as there is nothing in the constitution requiring parliament to follow them < 1340139948 173318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's pretty much a government-backed survey < 1340139952 318966 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, certainly. < 1340139961 515626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, more than it does to me < 1340139963 452467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right consultative may be more precise < 1340139976 115676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yeah < 1340139998 883937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there have been suggestions to change the constitution about this, i don't _think_ they have done so) < 1340140008 728933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was funny you know. We voted no to nuclear power back in the 70s or 80s iirc. But since it was just consultative they did the opposite thing. < 1340140023 15046 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the US there are no federal referenda, and the state-level ones vary by state... < 1340140040 634779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think all our referenda are consultative as well < 1340140049 958969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hell, there's technically no national *elections* at all) < 1340140065 147845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually it is political suicide to go against the result of a referendum < 1340140149 472442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the referendum about nuclear power was along the lines of "should we shut down the ones we have within x years and not build any new", so I guess they counted on people forgetting the whole thing when it was actually time to shut them down. < 1340140153 662831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't quote me on that < 1340140198 135024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think it's technically permissible for a state of the US to be a straight monarchy, with only the Representatives elected. < 1340140202 452187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sweden maintains being part of ERM II is a required criterion and joining ERM II is voluntary,[3][4] giving Sweden a de facto opt out." < 1340140208 595604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_and_the_euro < 1340140219 3475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah thanks < 1340140231 813956 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340140244 794165 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the page I "like" < 1340140250 563305 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1340140252 722179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah nice < 1340140283 909828 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first there was askjeeves, then there was ask, now there is wikipedia. wooo < 1340140287 217065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, 17th amendment estabilishes direct election of Senators, too. < 1340140312 289900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Congress must be elected, nobody else *has* to be. < 1340140322 730400 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340140334 271256 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is screwed up < 1340140348 274036 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The President is elected by electors, appointed by each state in a manner they choose. < 1340140373 599725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny that our current currency is a result of an old Nordic monetary union (which didn't last) < 1340140383 324134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name of it that is < 1340140387 280845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :current currency. < 1340140387 440868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the federal government does not regulate how each state does any of their own elections, except for antidiscrimination stuff... < 1340140390 558987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :currency. < 1340140397 78602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do electors have to vote for the candidate people voted for? < 1340140409 109064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm? < 1340140419 351851 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The electors do not even have to be *voted for by people*. < 1340140427 745264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you in a golfing mood? < 1340140430 477167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1340140431 102185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340140432 929490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: But, most every *state* mandates that, yes. < 1340140433 109486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11 < 1340140433 806422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1340140447 614773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no. Also it was needed since I discussed an historical context. < 1340140459 411690 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It would be permissible for the King of $state to appoint electors to vote for a President. < 1340140481 962353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And before 1913 it was also permissible for the King of $state to appoint senators. < 1340140494 955806 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't democracy mandated more than that? < 1340140499 924328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they used to have kinds? < 1340140502 663494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kings* < 1340140505 164530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1340140505 875245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of doubt that < 1340140508 575731 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it's permitted. < 1340140531 610892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The United States *de jure* functions more like a slightly stronger EU than as a single nation. < 1340140548 601141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in practise it is a lot stronger than that though < 1340140558 632923 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is why I specified de jure. :) < 1340140568 760978 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340140589 694242 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole idea of EU seems somewhat illogical < 1340140589 854262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main de jure difference is member states are forbidden from engaging in declarations of war or treaties. < 1340140597 988057 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what used to be former waring nations < 1340140607 181763 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1340140626 383172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_accessories#Messenger_Kit <-- why is this a thing? < 1340140631 111636 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even within the nations < 1340140646 393518 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a lack of continuity < 1340140669 706045 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if on the most basic level there is conflict < 1340140684 847693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for the ban on treaties, I think you could have something be both a state in the US and a nation in the EU. < 1340140685 937426 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how can the EU span several nations < 1340140719 504728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: um avoiding new wars was a main _reason_ for the EU... < 1340140750 657724 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it does not make sense < 1340140763 811779 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have almost wars within these supposed "nations" < 1340140775 382415 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :car bombs in spain by extremist factions of the basque countyr < 1340140801 186709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not from a separate country < 1340140802 464355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well too much is swept under the carpet < 1340140808 765733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a county within Spain < 1340140813 752307 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greece always had several groups residing within this "nation" < 1340140815 907401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it is like IRA or such < 1340140824 371707 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim to be 100% homogenous < 1340140835 366186 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is greek? < 1340140844 737616 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always was a melting pot < 1340140856 813558 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it becomes "european" or "european-like" < 1340140858 520200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Yeah yeah yeah, hardly anything's an actual nation-state. < 1340140875 560448 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great ideas came from greece < 1340140880 961201 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a practical state < 1340140887 445966 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its internal issues must be resolved first < 1340140892 496711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, originally EU started as a trade treaty to prevent Germany and France from going to war again after the second world war pretty much < 1340140909 822255 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look at the direction it is going < 1340140919 918947 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are goin to include turkey they might as well include Iran < 1340140920 96485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so far it managed to prevent a war < 1340140955 369780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are setting certain requirements that Turkey would have to fullfill first. < 1340140969 656356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not going to accept them in their current state < 1340140978 283705 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iran or Turkey < 1340140988 691864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turkey. And hardly Iran either < 1340141004 3708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides Turkey is at least partly in Europe. Iran is not. Calling it EU would be silly then < 1340141012 659465 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1340141014 15889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Israel and Morocco both applied to join the EU < 1340141018 828467 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iran Armenia < 1340141027 122449 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :share a history with the rest of europe < 1340141032 702236 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persia and Greece < 1340141038 111923 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traded with each other < 1340141041 717119 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought with each other < 1340141048 577222 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a cultural exchange < 1340141053 818165 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Europe" as far as the EU is concerned is whatever the European Council feels is European. < 1340141059 787813 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe in theory < 1340141062 346578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, so does North Africa < 1340141064 113813 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could extend as far as india < 1340141069 882955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. So what? Sweden fought Denmark before in history. Later on we supported them when they fought Nazi Germany < 1340141080 205208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bits of North America < 1340141086 519437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Europe" de jure could include all locations. < 1340141088 116343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1340141153 953112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grin* < 1340141174 591968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With consent of Congress, a state can enter in compacts or agreements with foreign powers. < 1340141181 486031 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in theory a state could join the EU. < 1340141188 628476 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340141193 11903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could not make the Euro legal tender. < 1340141193 418701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not sure the EU would be all that happy about it though? < 1340141201 503750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Almost certainly not. < 1340141207 478037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be interesting, certainly < 1340141218 686442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state also entered the Schengen area < 1340141234 495561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the US's border control pretty much destroyed < 1340141234 655691 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141252 862790 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141258 274718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, can I borrow your cloning machine? < 1340141262 79109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not really. As far as I can tell, states *may* estabilish controlled borders. < 1340141268 785602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah the issue is that Schengen mandates border control against non-Schengen < 1340141284 177746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: are you new? < 1340141287 498340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, does it? Hmm < 1340141295 838722 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141296 921670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it'd still be interesting < 1340141310 994882 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to irc < 1340141314 784319 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this forum yes < 1340141318 976941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome likethepage < 1340141321 888887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1340141325 184114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already did that < 1340141328 744458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340141335 123880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yep. IIRC Switzerland joined and one of those countries that are too tiny to be on a map which have borders with Switzerland got annoyed due to the queues when commuting. < 1340141345 642683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liechtenstein perhaps? < 1340141346 727945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1340141349 618857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a few years ago < 1340141359 286282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd have to be Liechtenstein < 1340141367 919818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nowhere near Andorra < 1340141368 924370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't that against the rule that interstate trade is only federally regulated? < 1340141373 583187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, right < 1340141384 209831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not that interstate trade is *only* federally regulated. < 1340141392 770079 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's that interstate trade *may be* federally regulated. < 1340141409 1147 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes but only if you will use it < 1340141421 41819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: States are forbidden from imposing taxes or duties on their borders. < 1340141437 827621 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Without consent of Congress. < 1340141447 697044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1340141457 610619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (. | for good. | for evil. | for good or evil. ) < 1340141464 825695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141476 207607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what's the one so I can have a clone of my own? < 1340141485 212316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for evil < 1340141517 814414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, isn't there an option for true neutral!? < 1340141518 533090 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to think < 1340141532 967960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well.. thats the problem with these regex's < 1340141533 127926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is theoretically possible, I *think*, for you to hack a state into being a full member of the EU, modulo the Eurozone. < 1340141546 84544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340141546 941588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's even feasible if the US adopts the Euro. < 1340141561 444990 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141568 458213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141570 585917 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything in law is "theoretically possible" < 1340141575 583425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, didn't the states of the early US all have their own currency? < 1340141578 486930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just made up as you go < 1340141581 99376 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141591 67439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, and also many foreign currencies were in use < 1340141592 994448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, hey just do (true neutral|(lawful|neutral|chaotic) (good|neutral|evil)) < 1340141603 573200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but those were all either direct gold or silver, or not legal tender. < 1340141605 76544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that allows neutral neutral, but I seen that used, so meh) < 1340141625 969132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1340141629 141020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: States can only make gold or silver legal tender. But, there's nothing banning them from non-tender currencies. < 1340141662 941327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything against a state passing a law requiring everyone to accept Euros? < 1340141694 10149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it depends what you mean by "early US" < 1340141702 683657 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" itidus21, can I borrow your cloning machine?" Taneb: yes but only if you will use it (. | for good. | for evil. | for good or evil. | for (true neutral|(lawful|neutral|chaotic) (good|neutral|evil)).) < 1340141707 910265 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something to that effect < 1340141708 540151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think under the Articles of Confederation, state banknotes were widely used < 1340141713 135039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Continental Congress printed paper money which was so depreciated that it ceased to pass as currency" < 1340141716 776120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No State shall [...] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts" < 1340141721 460303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, hey you should remove the other options < 1340141736 167185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, can I use it for neutral good? < 1340141737 703220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you either go for the DnD system completely or you don't (And DnD 4 doesn't count) < 1340141744 967642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, "No State shall [...] coin Money" < 1340141752 930690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ahh because the | implies the or < 1340141756 851706 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141774 319649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't mean they can't force places to use it? < 1340141774 750353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes but saying "for evil" doesn't make sense here < 1340141785 969547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wait, are all the mints in DC or what? < 1340141792 234374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you immediately asks if it is for chaotic evil or lawful evil < 1340141801 344829 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340141801 880669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps even neutral evil < 1340141807 125465 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all too much for me < 1340141807 285429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask yourself* < 1340141812 977411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, never played DnD? < 1340141829 895487 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There's nothing forbidding minting happening *in* a state. < 1340141835 84716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just can't be done *by* a state. < 1340141837 608374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1340141839 883875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you could go play a game based on DnD (such as NWN) < 1340141846 42589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnE < 1340141853 935586 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke for me was "yes but only if you will use it." which breaks the expectation of the word for < 1340141904 122536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that works to < 1340141905 44374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1340141920 705735 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how much *other* "consent of Congress" stuff happening, I think it would work just fine if the US Mint just minted Euros for states in the EU. < 1340141924 277351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is heavily implied that a cloning machine's usage has questionable allegience < 1340141950 164302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, all < 1340141952 994859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340141995 842406 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, err, why would the US Mint do that? < 1340142017 373115 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: By "states in the EU" I mean "states of the US that are also in the EU". < 1340142028 613898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I am discussing a really insane hypothetical. < 1340142037 484192 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like normally you would reply "yes but only if you will use it." if someone asks if you should buy something.. such as a bike < 1340142072 433528 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy that abflexer? Sure, but only if you will use it. < 1340142105 642446 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the Canadian mint prints money for various third world countries < 1340142108 758379 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :under contract < 1340142139 816769 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you teach me kung fu? Yes, but only if you will use it for good. < 1340142209 40098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master, teach me in the ways of the dark side of the force! OK, but only if you will use it for evil. < 1340142323 476230 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think the existing EU treaties limit its membership to things actually in europe < 1340142357 184033 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Actually, they restrict membership to "European" countries, where "European" means "European in the judgement of the Council of Europe". < 1340142389 453931 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the latter pretty much means "actually in europe" < 1340142393 710633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: there is a non-European country in the EU < 1340142395 643893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget which. < 1340142399 758731 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyprus? < 1340142403 288791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think < 1340142413 147244 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part < 1340142416 753754 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :north or south < 1340142417 819366 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern < 1340142423 460544 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, legally all of it < 1340142443 173492 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but represented by the Republic of Cyprus government which only controls the southern two-thirds < 1340142478 385221 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the Republic of Cyprus government was therefore forced to greatly loosen restrictions at its border with the TRNC < 1340142490 228128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Please, I'm discussing a hypothetical scenario where Congress consents like a dozen different ways to a state engaging in a treaty that requires it to estabilish border controls and have a different currency. < 1340142498 263458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding one more impossibility is not a big deal. < 1340142537 536739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix < 1340142539 145596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9169046/writing-in-pointfree-style-f-x-g-x-x/9169089#9169089 sometime < 1340142554 223374 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the territory of the TRNC is legally also "in the EU" and under the EU treaties Cyprus can't interfere too much with the free movement of labour and capital "within the EU" < 1340142559 888994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1340142570 362596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1340142574 477042 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340142581 629140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: cute! < 1340142668 776184 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, Cyprus keeps saying they're going to join the Schengen area < 1340142737 606254 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other Schengen states keep pointing out that Cyprus doesn't even control many of the points of entry to its "territory", much less have them up to standard for external schengen borders < 1340142977 864099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what i'm missing here is the part which forbits northern cypriots from trading with the EU < 1340142991 381506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're supposedly in it < 1340142999 392997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forbids < 1340143113 325800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conveniently wikipedia also has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus_and_the_European_Union < 1340143132 7683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340143138 155769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone discussing the eu < 1340143145 159305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea! < 1340143149 547766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340143151 531959 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one option < 1340143169 504313 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the eu is bad because britain should stand proud and alone < 1340143186 514658 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it has to do with me bringing up the topic of indo-european struggle < 1340143200 445273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned indos < 1340143200 618322 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for secular democracy and posting a link < 1340143210 331065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : speaking of which, /has/ any conclusion been reached with respect to the election in Greece? < 1340143213 598369 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting themselves before us europeans < 1340143221 353677 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are "european" < 1340143223 333139 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i heard < 1340143229 289987 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will stay in the Eurozone < 1340143234 315877 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to their own detriment < 1340143243 140446 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spain should pull out < 1340143246 672533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was of course triggered by likethepage as implied < 1340143257 915928 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their exports were doing great until they joined < 1340143277 182210 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1340143284 959043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, stop bashing the eu you right-wing fanny < 1340143290 191001 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340143322 342004 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems benificial for other nations < 1340143331 361927 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but south europe seems to be damaged by it < 1340143334 61081 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly < 1340143337 932855 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go to greece! < 1340143338 299628 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food is very expensive < 1340143386 30469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:18: The maybe-elliott had the default silhouette avatar picture as avatar, except it was upside down, as I recall. < 1340143391 592086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: the germans are going to claim it's because south europe doesn't have fiscal responsibility. < 1340143392 17044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's me. I deleted my Google+ account. < 1340143399 1593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The avatar has stayed, though, and now shows in Gmail. < 1340143411 107690 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont have fiscal responsibility < 1340143439 433214 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they joined a very experimental currency < 1340143449 504582 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is bound to incur problems < 1340143458 706118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spain specifically also had the real estate bubble from hell < 1340143465 361892 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340143477 432060 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recovering from a civil war < 1340143483 645108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which _should_ worry us norwegians, who have one which hasn't burst yet < 1340143508 363762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: um that was like 70 years ago. < 1340143553 937587 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-ww2 < 1340143608 877299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The avatar has stayed, though, and now shows in Gmail. <-- Can't you change it? < 1340143625 640084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : likethepage: the germans are going to claim it's because south europe doesn't have fiscal responsibility. <-- that is kind of true though < 1340143721 554514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have the oil though. You don't need to worry. And even if it went to hell you are not in the Euro, so the collateral damage will be somewhat limited. So it is all well and good anyway < 1340143785 545859 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings from Poland < 1340143786 809733 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340143789 907748 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1340143829 573645 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain had reasonable levels of fiscal responsibility before the crash < 1340143837 381239 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just screwed over because the ECB are jerks < 1340143902 133788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, maybe. Not Italy and Greece though < 1340143919 353669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why was the real estate bubble allowed to grow like that < 1340143926 793962 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :italy is/was kind of borderline < 1340143949 648450 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greece's fiscal situation was truly bad < 1340143991 692533 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others could be fine with monetary stimulus, but the ECB only cares about germany < 1340144071 457021 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so norway does not need to worry) < 1340144329 409674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway isn't an EU or Eurozone member. our problem is that the real estate bubble implies we should increase interest rates, but the crisis in the rest of the world implies we need to keep them down not to destroy all exports other than oil... < 1340144357 430917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the central bank obviously focuses more on the latter, leaving the bubble to keep growing... < 1340144377 193118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340144444 944482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it going with your oil, anyway? Still flowing? < 1340144473 911391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.energyinsights.net/cgi-script/csArticles/uploads/4690/oil-production-norway.gif looks kinda down-slopey. < 1340144478 111638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i think there've even been some recent major discoveries, although there _is_ a general transition to natural gas < 1340144492 269300 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky bastards < 1340144504 824365 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2---(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340144507 381915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 56.7 < 1340144514 932415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: HEY NO BEING ON TOPIC < 1340144522 472170 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live on a sea of gas here < 1340144530 765559 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's first place... < 1340144533 823047 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only way to obtain it is fracking < 1340144538 36198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: OK THEN < 1340144547 272673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i thought quintopia had got his up to 60... < 1340144562 255642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you pushed him down then. < 1340144567 827302 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1340144569 822400 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poland sold the mining sites to the USA for nothing < 1340144590 707745 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know how it'll work with the new scoring system. < 1340144609 69150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: you're in some kind of mutual optimization game, then? does it converge? :P < 1340144643 420822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It would be hilarious if it resulted in exponentially increasing source text length. < 1340144651 486564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Soon they'll be pastebinning gigabytes of bfjoust. < 1340144663 967434 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340144668 688379 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;d < 1340144683 989623 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leviathan = 1 line space_elevator = lots of lines < 1340144685 619468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,| < 1340144686 156323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340144694 523930 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least not spamming it to channel < 1340144696 220349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um i think ais523 has previously noted that he has to shorten his warriors due to length limitation < 1340144726 451898 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit is 200kb. < 1340144729 259158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They'll petition Gregor to increase the limits to a gigabyte in order not to be discriminatory due to physical attributes. < 1340144750 531201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the programs can help their length, after all. < 1340144795 115463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/long/concisitually challenged/ < 1340144900 81041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you realize there is a theory of BFJoust programming that treats everything as branching on [, giving depth 100000 loops... < 1340144924 928723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically order 2^100000 length programs < 1340144974 646351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well-versed in theory of BFJoust programming, to be honest. I hear you have to study in a monastery at least seventeen years in order to get a grasp on that. < 1340144975 410529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not branching _every_ instruction, but never executing ] if it slows down your strategy < 1340144976 253374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am glad the restrictions make that impossible < 1340144979 967275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: i thought it was a megabyte or so < 1340145031 797390 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellliott: No, it's 200kb. < 1340145039 432933 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it changed. < 1340145046 237594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's your pastebin's limit? :P < 1340145056 567999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not well versed either, but sometimes with the length limitations you are forced to use precious time _exiting_ loops < 1340145076 914135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How philosophically repugnant. < 1340145099 522300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while if you could always just go deeper, you would only have to execute [ or ] in places you want to < 1340145113 112175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ] should be free :P < 1340145127 534544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus messing up everyone's timed loops < 1340145127 694398 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2---(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340145130 326882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 57.1 < 1340145187 941265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : leviathan = 1 line <-- kind of ironically named, then? :P < 1340145236 164906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an interesting thought, actually < 1340145242 59312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just change ] to .] in existing programs < 1340145250 573726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fear it'd make triplocking invincible < 1340145271 268018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think we came up with a way to break ] being free when developing the timing rules < 1340145271 547832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there was a one-cycle lag on ] (as in, it gave you the value at the start of the /previous/ cycle) < 1340145543 889172 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340145546 536440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 57.4 < 1340145581 309286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: weird < 1340145587 784905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could work < 1340145800 53012 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340146620 458119 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340146840 473228 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340146867 245240 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340146882 469179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340146893 459059 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340147191 544433 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340147819 472747 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148231 459377 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148329 810779 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340148571 600422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I played a bit more wind waker. Wow the sailing is awesome. The interaction with wind is so realistic :D < 1340148634 558978 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340148659 515844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a sarcastic thing? < 1340148667 107577 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148674 434539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what no? < 1340148700 619062 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't recall it being particularly realistic. < 1340148722 414615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can still sail upwind a bit, can't you? < 1340148735 910951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can in real boats too though < 1340148743 653318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is slow, but it is possible < 1340148770 51983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sail about 45 degrees from the wind if your boat has a triangular rig. < 1340148783 947595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square rigs are terrible at going upwind AFAIK. < 1340148794 429947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340148804 540635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a certain point you can't get any propulsion from the wind at all, the sail just flaps. < 1340148829 899873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340148843 773053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this. I used to sail in dinghy when I was younger < 1340148860 824198 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340148864 135845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe class, so obviously a mostly triangular sail < 1340148876 21949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is slightly curved) < 1340148877 826166 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, simply going faster when you're sailing downwind doesn't make it 'so realistic'. < 1340148926 755579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boat can jump too, so that isn't very realistic either < 1340148930 650404 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1340148937 284077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway you can't sail straight upwind < 1340148945 200875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish boats can't jump?? < 1340148948 834682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340148951 351646 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148969 590328 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get over whirlpools and rocks? < 1340148986 328317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by beating down the obstacle like real men < 1340148991 7720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just get out and do it < 1340149018 31799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... beat down a whirlpool? < 1340149043 418524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, haven't you ever been trained in that? < 1340149063 949359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, we can just jump over them. < 1340149073 161523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what if you are swimming? < 1340149109 630090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What difference does that make? < 1340149133 819808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jump while you swim? < 1340149147 321559 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else would we get over whirlpools? < 1340149210 766449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just beat them down. whirlpools are an endangered species due to that in Sweden < 1340149230 319950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother, when you can jump? < 1340149249 159884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no one told us that we could do that < 1340149430 229286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340149480 629805 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.166 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340149539 632966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340149878 107079 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's colder than ceres down here < 1340149888 237604 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@weather melbourne < 1340149888 590290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340149895 450032 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm do we have a weather bot? < 1340149901 580878 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^weather melbourne < 1340149913 318018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1340149961 776133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/w* < 1340149964 198692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/welcome \ bin/wl \ bin/word \ bin/words \ bin/wtf < 1340149975 320675 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather is stupid anyway < 1340150012 8194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognitive dissonance! < 1340150067 957907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i worked out that the kind of data i seek about games is a bit like video game archaeology < 1340150195 916131 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Archaeology does not include the discipline of paleontology" !?! < 1340150520 192410 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wtf < 1340150522 681944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is like wtf < 1340150526 458285 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1340150529 902130 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft... < 1340150533 432772 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you even... < 1340150537 750005 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340150541 469536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did MS do? < 1340150545 692792 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, in MSVC, if you define _HAS_EXCEPTIONS to 0 < 1340150549 631226 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then include < 1340150552 72345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what it does? < 1340150575 382232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : sets _HAS_EXCEPTIONS to 1? < 1340150578 370618 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1340150579 271014 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1340150583 73843 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it declards ::type_info < 1340150586 123155 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*declares < 1340150595 550042 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typeid() has return type const ::type_info < 1340150606 100981 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no std::type_info, though! < 1340150743 310118 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what you might call the science between fizzie's Internet Game Car Database ( www.igcd.net ) finding. < 1340150770 406550 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. should I write my os in lisp instead of forth? < 1340150783 77848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It smells like archaeology or paleontology though. < 1340150814 674807 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a database where people collect sightings of real-world cars in video games. < 1340150903 440543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang < 1340150903 864682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340150974 782134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster NICK :Vorpal_ < 1340150977 664260 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster NICK :Vorpal < 1340150981 602716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabot < 1340150981 979492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340150997 787791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not sure what you might call the science between fizzie's Internet Game Car Database ( www.igcd.net ) finding. <-- I'm half alseep but what does fizzie have to do with it? < 1340151014 657182 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he linked to that website the other day in here < 1340151021 713482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise nothing :P < 1340151029 347751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340151034 45304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1340151128 764820 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it seems to me like a potential science < 1340151156 89632 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and time will tell if i'm the man crazy enough to found it < 1340151175 25693 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(y)(z)a(a(a)~a*^*)~a*^*S < 1340151175 746365 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)(y)(z) < 1340151234 747710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: btw i like to use (~aS:^):^ for debugging < 1340151245 997046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(y)(z)(~aS:^):^ < 1340151246 952168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(z)(y)(x) ...out of stack! < 1340151274 53479 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340151325 537265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340151399 941870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)~a*^ is a bit verbose version of ~a~ < 1340151468 335131 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have to formalize the activity before i can determine what the proper name for it is < 1340151478 55108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally i think ~a*^ is overkill if you are not touching stuff deeper than 2 stack elements < 1340151604 346386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear person criticising Clojure at a Clojure conference: Stop reflecting on the nature of criticism and get to substance. < 1340151615 429223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He did stop fwiw) < 1340151680 695324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340151813 126122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ANY PROGRESS < 1340151952 579400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick monqy :( < 1340152041 706189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu wat < 1340152061 158655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: KICK ME < 1340152066 415162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott < 1340152068 552339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not monqy < 1340152078 434029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uf < 1340152417 426222 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340153360 765557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a ~> a < 1340153363 461799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a ~> w (w a) < 1340153364 924754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a -> m a < 1340153367 630509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a -> m (w (w a)) < 1340153368 216763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340153390 110292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend is... < 1340153393 285861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate . fmap f, right? < 1340153394 958763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1340153408 816794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) . fmap f < 1340153410 530390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (w :: * -> *) a (m :: * -> *) a1. (Functor w) => (a1 -> a) -> w a1 -> m (w (w a)) < 1340153416 343172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340153433 989706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340153435 382848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap f . duplicate < 1340153440 356712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> fmap f . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153442 35011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (f :: * -> *) (w :: * -> *) a. (Functor f) => (w (w a) -> b) -> w a -> f b < 1340153448 350285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1340153478 976553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1340153488 873347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwat < 1340153510 679418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you get it to spit out the right signature < 1340153516 774427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have < 1340153535 400957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153540 375376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and w is Functor < 1340153541 455270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the type of < 1340153544 967911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f -> fmap f . duplicate < 1340153560 790422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1340153562 126614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that be < 1340153568 294400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x -> duplicate x >>= fmap f < 1340153570 153826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ? < 1340153570 701961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340153582 153735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um why is there both an m and a w < 1340153583 325656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the idea is to have a comonad in Kleisli m < 1340153584 803420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than Hask < 1340153591 840875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on something edwardk said < 1340153658 232636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> fmap f <=< (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153659 501593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall c (m :: * -> *) a. (Functor m, Monad m) => (m a -> c) -> m a -> m c < 1340153722 966560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340153774 884509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> liftM (fmap f) . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153776 241045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (f :: * -> *) (m :: * -> *) a. (Functor f, Monad m) => (f a -> b) -> f a -> m (f b) < 1340153786 93151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? < 1340153807 91176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might be. shouldn't it be (w a -> m b)? < 1340153901 872288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> join . liftM (fmap f) . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153903 171790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a a1. (Monad m, Functor m) => (m a1 -> a) -> m a1 -> m a < 1340153908 590875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340153974 878941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf is the type of f supposed to be, exactly? < 1340153984 891697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (w a -> m b), perhaps? < 1340153988 75857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not certain at all < 1340153989 643880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full type might be < 1340153996 850867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w a -> m b) -> w a -> w b < 1340153999 802437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340154001 556356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w a -> m b) -> w a -> m (w b) < 1340154288 300076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340154295 486457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340154355 329201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/v6ik6/a_notation_for_comonads_orchard_mycroft_pdf/c528kvc this was the source < 1340154358 640342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<oerjan> ok wtf is the type of f supposed to be, exactly? < 1340154358 799969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 f :: (w a -> m b), perhaps? < 1340154358 800170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 i'm not certain at all < 1340154358 800278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 the full type might be < 1340154358 800387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 (w a -> m b) -> w a -> w b < 1340154359 639842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 erm < 1340154361 643404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 (w a -> m b) -> w a -> m (w b) < 1340154606 953651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340157324 864426 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340157567 954748 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340160299 523004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good tool for computing a small brainfuck program to output a given string? < 1340160384 847325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly finding the smallest program is uncomputable, but i think you could do pretty well with a small bit of cleverness < 1340160865 455737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fix the strategy (as in Wikipedia's hello world example) of initializing n cells to some widely spaced values and then incrementing/decrementing those as needed < 1340162658 644178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy UPDATE also tswett < 1340162679 697432 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1340162708 281956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There are many tools to do that. < 1340162710 946100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Here's one. < 1340162714 756834 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​131 ++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++.<.>>-.<+.>-------.<----.-.<.>>++++++++++++++.>. [896] < 1340162876 738521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what strategy does it use < 1340162884 768679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Hello, brainfuck! < 1340162910 381791 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like what i said, but how does it find the sequence of moves < 1340162991 949028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's txtgen not textgen < 1340163026 173146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the author of the bot loves Microsoft... I mean, hi. < 1340163052 591039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Were 8.3 names in use anywhere besides DOS originally, or is it all DOS's fault?) < 1340163142 724300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'genetic' < 1340163175 295361 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CP/M < 1340163750 214204 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, brainfuck! < 1340163752 391977 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​183 ++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++++>++++++++>++++<<<<-]>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>..+++.>>----.------------.<++.<+++.>-.++++++++.+++++.<<+.>+++.<---.>>---.>+.-----------------------. [401] < 1340164552 112317 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think Gregor said that it's some kind of genetic algorithm, although i've read the source and i have a hunch it was actually hill-climbing < 1340164558 941118 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was years ago and i don't really care < 1340164569 92958 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's calamari's. < 1340164579 520589 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally not read a line of it. < 1340164581 964748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works. < 1340164619 734530 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Gregor/elliot & calamari/ probably < 1340164630 85955 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott likes to call everything a genetic algorithm < 1340164679 509897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340164687 854324 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott actually call it genetic just now :D < 1340164697 455601 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott • kmc: 'genetic'" this is so delicious < 1340164717 741937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :• < 1340164719 361430 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :••••• < 1340164739 215241 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's easy to code a genetic algorithm which is effectively just hill climbing + noise < 1340164749 58440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 'genetic algorithm' sounds cool so... < 1340164750 505343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you see < 1340164751 176082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the '' < 1340164754 503232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ' ' < 1340164756 871561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trhe ' ' < 1340164761 106921 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, 'delicious' < 1340164769 182720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'genetic' like oklopol is 'smart' < 1340164775 26137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does delicious still exist? < 1340164789 858450 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is failing me < 1340164795 264912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it does! < 1340164799 65740 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: genetic is reserved for swapping parts of solutions. < 1340164813 27994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to find information on the initial register state of a MS-DOS .COM program < 1340164816 32530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i know < 1340164817 565907 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill-climbing + noise = hill-climbing < 1340164826 979314 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy to write a GA where crossover is never useful < 1340164830 684388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without realizing that you have done so < 1340164831 70435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340164848 24206 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are correct ofc < 1340164880 75568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3715618/how-does-dos-load-a-program-into-memory ? < 1340164891 925720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't know what "drive letter status" means < 1340164895 335018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed to find that by google < 1340164942 218558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kmc • but it's easy to write a GA where crossover is never useful" far easier than writing one where it is useful i hear < 1340164959 1864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also "fuck you", i'm really "mad" at you now < 1340164962 745994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever ago, i wrote a GA to solve knapsack problem < 1340164978 346080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which crossover is trivial and (i think) useful < 1340164983 656606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are still better solutions to knapsack problem < 1340164983 914703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 'awesome' < 1340165024 241763 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh i wrote my bachelor's thesis on that < 1340165025 966083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :· < 1340165076 640927 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean just have a binary vector of which items you've taken, and then you swap parts of those? < 1340165089 512067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340165130 658108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was like 10 years ago < 1340165151 615422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it to figure out an efficient way to burn all my pirated music onto CD-ROMs < 1340165152 967968 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition is that crossover is utterly useless :/ < 1340165156 687686 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my MP3 CD player < 1340165156 944394 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1340165157 705950 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1340165162 150026 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340165167 287029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340165213 481420 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340165220 874839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPATE < 1340165221 411576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3 CD player = best thing ever for like 2 years < 1340165222 532580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE < 1340165256 298145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's just such a direct walk to the pareto frontier, whereas crossover is usually useful when you have multiple subproblems you need to solve. < 1340165270 965830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1340165279 561592 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two items really need to occur together, how do you figure that out here unless you guess the right solution? < 1340165285 216062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why do you want the register state? < 1340165315 587691 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: writing a polyglot program, want it to be a .COM file as well < 1340165323 626528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/poly/polyglot.txt < 1340165414 698418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy tswett ^ update, as mentioned 3 minutes ago < 1340165477 70163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340165558 314852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really knapsack and subset sum are an embarrassment among NP-hard problems < 1340165584 337743 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is 3sat really < 1340165603 443328 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean because the common instances are actually easy? < 1340165630 426864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well knapsack and subset sum also because there's a fully polynomial approximation algorithm < 1340165663 971075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get as close as you like in polynomial time ("fully" means that it's also polynomial w.r.t. 1/epsilon) < 1340165694 409644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's been a while since I played with Celestia < 1340165708 230920 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3sat i guess just because common instances are actually easy < 1340165732 790600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should figure out how to see the recent transit in Celestia < 1340165758 354830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the PTAS is a big deal < 1340165768 260519 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what "common instances" for SAT really means < 1340165783 982889 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because SAT solvers got really good, and so now people are reducing everything to SAT < 1340165805 32335 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus have rapidly approached the frontier of tractable SAT problems < 1340165811 431687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://github.com/Henne/dosbox-svn/blob/master/src/dos/dos_execute.cpp < 1340165840 235808 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a good point < 1340165860 834627 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: unfortunately that still doesn't tell me what's guaranteed by the "spec" < 1340165863 840117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's useful < 1340165872 404737 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't being very serious, i just haven't seen a good concise puzzle in the form of a 3sat instance. < 1340165877 463743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's a "spec"? < 1340165884 736950 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :concisely presented < 1340165894 527565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that there's only what Microsoft decided was worth keeping backwards-compatible. < 1340165897 767863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i doubt there is one < 1340165902 247965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is usually a lot, admittedly. < 1340165903 497632 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works as a response to both of you :) < 1340165919 515115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340165923 938378 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my recent failed projects was to use a SAT solver to run Game of Life backwards < 1340165951 972640 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once has a summer job finding orphans in GoL < 1340165955 395566 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1340166009 675819 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at an orphanage < 1340166036 998428 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that may not have been completely true < 1340166080 428444 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to know what the smallest one is < 1340166244 460070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340166244 886502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:21 i'm a c++ coder, -> is burned into my eyes meaning pointer dereference < 1340166311 721462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell? < 1340166322 803181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340166570 749234 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :K-Lined < 1340167278 814353 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340167470 960673 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340167792 110218 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168044 598606 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168717 722707 :sfuller!47ca0ea1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.14.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168823 761488 :sfuller!47ca0ea1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.14.161 PART :#esoteric < 1340168908 582071 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340169227 227034 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340169339 713588 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1340169393 635768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340169934 361454 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340170157 545173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bubbles at the Seer monad
< 1340170979 479487 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340173264 108503 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, are unbalanced quotation marks allowed within #if 0 ... #endif? < 1340173546 718484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume so < 1340173554 810949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc gives a warning and tcc gives an error < 1340173557 337166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler shouldn't even see anything < 1340173558 58554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1340173562 330148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am too lazy to look up whether it is actually allowed < 1340173572 445787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the warning comes from the preprocessor < 1340173585 201748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could ask "in cpp, are ..." < 1340173591 446701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik the spec for cpp is part of the spec for C < 1340173647 960390 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340173681 798908 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340175311 868106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The source file is decomposed into preprocessing tokens" in translation stage 3, while preprocessing directives like #if 0 happen in stage 4, so what's within has to parse into proper preprocessing tokens, and a string literal is a single such token, so no. But unbalanced parentheses and such should be fine. < 1340175399 694035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/ansi/ifdefsyntax.html < 1340176412 523614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any fiction that uses Haskell's model of "time travel"... as in, I know Haskell doesn't allow time travel, but it can be made to look like it, and I wonder if the rules of such can be applied to fiction < 1340176735 132740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1340176745 254680 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you seen the film Primer? < 1340176756 221210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, only twice < 1340176760 72245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340176765 308076 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time machines in that film are a lot like call/cc < 1340176817 274690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm not quite smart enough to understand < 1340176848 1816 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can only go back to the time when the machine was started < 1340176862 562117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the original copy of you is still running around in the world < 1340176894 948238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp knows about quotation marks. < 1340176967 204953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\ < 1340176969 596686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if 0\ < 1340176970 603829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b\ < 1340176973 445211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif\ < 1340176976 243757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n" < 1340176984 207473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the closed time loops of, say, the Seer monad? < 1340176999 777344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which still wouldn't let you easily factor numbers < 1340177021 284734 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about that monad < 1340177123 732083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11060565/tying-the-knot-with-a-state-monad < 1340177132 335405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The accepted answer) < 1340177302 132172 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340177359 963948 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340177381 495868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least with my compiler, that ends up being a string literal containing the string "#if 0b#endif" -- and that's what I think should happen, too. < 1340177410 714072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's exactly what you meant, I guess. < 1340177448 455889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's just another way of saying what I said; that preprocessing tokens like string literals are built in stage 3, and preprocessing directives processed only in stage 4. < 1340177468 627385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually on looking at what I said again, it isn't directly relevant. < 1340177480 94385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \s are the reason the #s aren't interpreted, not the "s. < 1340177490 820505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but, you know, that general idea" < 1340177589 657354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \s are the only reason the whole bit is legal, really, so I guess. But, I mean, you could also say that the preprocessor has to know about quotation marks in order for #define FOO BAR "FOO" not to result in a string literal that says BAR. < 1340177658 377430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340177751 657303 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* "*/" */ < 1340177834 993642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the difference between comments and #if was your whole point. < 1340177864 626347 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine? < 1340177893 915386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340177898 920492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you had one. < 1340177908 213945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1340177918 646307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ran into this warning/error and wondered what the prescribed behavior is < 1340178068 20427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I understand it, the splitting into tokens happens "before" conditionals so the text in all parts of an #if needs to form valid preprocessor tokens < 1340178114 97700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably already said that somewhere above < 1340178265 571113 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178294 576356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ghc barf on .lhs lines starting with #? < 1340178320 145058 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all! sorry to interrupt any ongoing conversation, but i'm in the midst of designing and documenting a programming language < 1340178333 953123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178361 770129 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm curious about is wether or not it would be considered esoteric, and for your deciding pleasure, here's a brief example/description of the language as of now < 1340178365 101146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340178365 573284 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste2.org/p/2056626 < 1340178372 23410 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day to you, sir! < 1340178425 284176 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340178426 456966 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178465 378389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting < 1340178475 184507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of a combination of my ideas of Lisp and Basic < 1340178480 959733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure if it's esoteric < 1340178483 79894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: "esoteric" is an emotional word, not a technical one. < 1340178486 404912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, consult your emotions. < 1340178522 607739 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so with that, it could be either, depending on the viewers taste? < 1340178538 127087 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb; makes me glad to hear it's interesting ^_^ < 1340178584 732516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esotericness is in the eye of the beholder < 1340178588 225380 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my emotions want to say it is, but is in conflict wether or not it would fit in this mighty inspiring community < 1340178596 944451 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha! < 1340178601 425487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1340178602 91347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1340178612 137488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some would say the language that's written in isn't esoteric < 1340178632 512694 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite follow that < 1340178641 388226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's consult Mr. Eso T. Eric < 1340178666 763535 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah? ;) < 1340178812 717084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consult the Esoteric Language Council, a UN-run organization tasked with determining these things. < 1340178821 623329 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet ;) < 1340178833 417197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sometime I confuse you with itidus20. < 1340178845 576760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/mes/ < 1340178850 597597 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, I humbly thank you for your insights and I'll def finish designing and documenting, and write up an article for esolang < 1340178853 791043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the nick, I mean. < 1340178862 671468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I read what you say and I think "oh, that's not itidus20!". < 1340178874 128224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't even have a "20". < 1340178909 448582 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just the things you two say are very much alike? < 1340178922 132352 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :owait nvm, 'just the nick, i mean' < 1340178931 308255 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what language should i add to my polyglot? < 1340178948 601952 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340178967 641025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What are you using so far? < 1340178988 498740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c, haskell, python, sh, brainfuck < 1340179025 297664 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tacocopter.com/ This is science. This is the future. This is America. < 1340179047 323625 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah < 1340179107 430544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, try to get Befunge in there < 1340179123 682236 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about it < 1340179130 613439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be amusing but maybe one esolang is enough < 1340179137 931091 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179141 344796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will remove brainfuck < 1340179143 800961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One esolang is never enough! < 1340179161 284956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add Objective C. < 1340179164 529345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe C++. < 1340179164 822392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see cpressey say "I've made Befunge, now time to stop"!? < 1340179165 754201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179185 97634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see dmm say "I've made Piet, no that's enough"!? < 1340179185 909186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179198 907670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, add FORTRAN. < 1340179205 105999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see Taneb say "I've made Ook++, that's enough"!? < 1340179205 919170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179206 397178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No! Who's with me?!?" < 1340179224 660122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's because Ook++ really sucked and I didn't know there was a wiki back then < 1340179253 851369 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, Objective C < 1340179263 225104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1340179279 277556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this Polyglot do? < 1340179279 674595 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Germans? < 1340179290 723661 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, Team America reference, I believe < 1340179320 664447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add malbolge! < 1340179326 262600 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, Animal House < 1340179331 623416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles insanely
< 1340179331 783075 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1340179335 193816 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck yeah" was a team america reference :) < 1340179349 478539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah. < 1340179350 13545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: prints "Hello, C!" or such < 1340179352 855750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1340179359 765199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1340179361 404699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a quine. < 1340179370 9021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may try to do something similar < 1340179371 38797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how to tell C from Objective C < 1340179373 383401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be to write a Hello, Malbolge! program? < 1340179389 340150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I meant that it would print the same thing in Objective C as in C. < 1340179391 486564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a polygot with other languages < 1340179401 572150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Objective C is by design a strict superset of C, so that might be tricky. < 1340179476 664153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: __OBJC__ < 1340179480 931385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on a ring of polyglot control.
< 1340179490 317201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Phooey. Cheater. < 1340179502 31502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually the only way. < 1340179514 11445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from saying "Well, it builds in Objective C too". < 1340179522 341041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just using a ring of polyglot control. < 1340179558 632363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a *good time* also make it Objective C++ and C++. :P < 1340179593 311753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR A GOOD TIME $ printf '\e(0' < 1340179622 395722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how about intercal? < 1340179645 159213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone didn't suggest that already < 1340179675 285645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a somewhat more serious note, but not *very*, it'd be quite impressive if you can make it a valid COM executable. < 1340179761 591217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C++? < 1340179772 5669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, i'm planning to do that < 1340179773 527400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last... < 1340179777 624962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That's already on the list. < 1340179778 640495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/poly/polyglot.txt is one < 1340179796 640993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: two great tastes that go great together < 1340179828 897050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Objective C++ a strict superset of C++? < 1340179852 305913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, UTTER_XYZZY? < 1340179857 390356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1340179888 641560 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It applies the Objective- to C++, as a hack to let you do C++ and Objective-C bindings straight. < 1340179928 469760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have two incompatible object systems? < 1340179943 141724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340179957 967170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds great. < 1340179980 202687 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you actually need at least *3* incompatible ways of doing something. < 1340179986 61518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should write a polyglot that uses the two incompatible object systems of C++ and Objective C together somehow. < 1340179996 494999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess Objective C is all dynamic and everything. < 1340180007 324955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the implementation is pretty different from C++. < 1340180049 884608 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone uses Objective-C++ for anything other than binding Objective-C bits to C++ bits. < 1340180054 33403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obj-C is also horrible < 1340180054 331761 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not THAT bad. < 1340180181 191108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: oh yeah? < 1340180194 16688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to elaborate? < 1340181129 897227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://raw.github.com/mauke/poly.poly/master/poly.poly < 1340181135 929554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe spoilers if you're working on one yourself.) < 1340181342 925078 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, i've seen this < 1340181606 400270 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340181744 841928 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340181891 806197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are compilers made? < 1340181913 605867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you have a girl compiler and a boy compiler... < 1340181931 756395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: would you like a joke or < 1340181937 104371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE. < 1340181950 814870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I'd like a tutorial < 1340181954 165921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, the truth is out < 1340181984 305833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read the dragon book, it's said to be good. (And, really: DRAGON BOOK.) < 1340181996 513806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also boringly called "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools". < 1340181996 673919 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP ends with the construction of a compiler, of sorts < 1340182009 336924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it sheds much light on how a C compiler would be made < 1340182023 910333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I wrote a compiler < 1340182030 293951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an experience < 1340182048 933665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have more immediately important things to do < 1340182051 885053 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i looked at a green thing < 1340182054 59291 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an experience < 1340182074 724565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1340182075 140598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you access outside the bounds of physical memory on an x86 processor in (actual) real mode? < 1340182096 269507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like this is a platform question, not a CPU question < 1340182103 326841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to make a good compiler, it can be a rather mechanical job. You know, the sort of "parse the language in question to some sort of a tree, and then just generate machine code directly out of the tree". < 1340182123 289747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there's still sort of a trick of flattening that tree into a linear sequence of instructions < 1340182154 570701 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dragon Book is hard going. Something like "Writing Interactive Interpreters and Compilers" is much easier to understand. < 1340182161 909776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That depends on what you're compiling into! < 1340182163 369570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a trick < 1340182206 57642 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe out of bounds writes do nothing, and reads get 0's or 1's or garbage, depending on how the data line drivers are wired up < 1340182221 827947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the address is simply truncated < 1340182304 209506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@context < 1340182304 847148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340182363 837837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The IA-32 processors beginning with the Intel386 processor can generate 32-bit offsets using an address override prefix; however, in real-address mode, the value of a 32-bit offset may not exceed FFFFH without causing an exception." So if you have physical memory up to byte 0x10FFEF, you can't actually reach outside it. < 1340182416 485921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And normally if you actually are in a real real mode, the A20 line isn't enabled, so you're stuck in [0, 0xFFFFF], but that's a platform thing again.) < 1340182612 875584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's up to the platform what you'd get back if you have less than a megabyte of physical memory. They put a lot of memory-mapped things from A0000 up, anyway. < 1340182731 985052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gap that you're "likely" to hit in a real system is the one from 512k to 640k, since some people only have that half a megabyte of RAM. < 1340183273 1720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is there a difference between monqy and mauke < 1340183280 185287 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340183283 651918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes?) < 1340183316 427818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe there's some sort of a "mouqe" compromise solution. < 1340183334 112153 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pre-emptively provides more info.
< 1340183340 221530 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy < 1340183349 700327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. < 1340183412 234144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauke < 1340183415 905602 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1340183481 842838 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340183543 157998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm possibly the only person who regularly gets mixed up between the Pet Shop Boys and Duran Duran < 1340183615 772005 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's t hat < 1340183747 777004 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're parties of musicians whose members tend to each specialize in a particular instrument < 1340183751 487826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tÌ‚ < 1340183754 863935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOPE THAT HELPS < 1340183795 688760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A t hat is a short-sleeved fedora < 1340183837 604255 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gameontology is wonderfully absurd < 1340184093 418797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be a fisherman but then I took a spear in the head. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/06/19/national/a112354D35.DTL&tsp=1 < 1340184104 714541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1340184312 155891 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/Featherstonehaugh < 1340184570 260858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340184648 121285 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : He needed that like he needed a hole in the head < 1340184648 472692 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cross spear fishing off the to do list < 1340185249 341058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"STOP! THIS IS NOT A DVD" - eBay seller screams in his item page. http://youtu.be/IOwTAiat1vg < 1340185416 924303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That person sure sounds angry. < 1340185437 913775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But $1.99 for a Toy Story 3 DVD? I'd buy it no matter how much he shouts. < 1340185460 468828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally worth it. < 1340185499 443914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is added by the seller? < 1340185591 301430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it’s a good deal for a DVD indeed. < 1340185830 834756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP! < 1340185832 491569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS NOT A DVD! < 1340185836 621609 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dun dun dun < 1340186087 200658 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to buy one of those DVDs, but the seller died :-( < 1340186118 233321 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CECI N'EST PAS UNE DVD! < 1340186172 289766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :john: You should send negative feedback for not getting the DVD. < 1340186236 672161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seller died, would not buy again." < 1340186273 558937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe e will get better.) < 1340186337 311424 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video has had quite a few views. I should do something similar on my eBay shop. :-) < 1340186373 42840 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult to be annoying in a quirky interesting way < 1340186630 11961 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 € http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/myst_masterpiece_edition < 1340186675 114528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bonus content included for FREE with purchase: manual (17 pages)". Such magnanimity. < 1340186828 571497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I have two Myst (what's the plural?) already. < 1340186893 835946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plural is "Mystery". < 1340186909 278236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good to know. Two Mystery, then. < 1340186910 842360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap* < 1340189097 286999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340189278 360614 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340190901 914411 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340190902 212048 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340190902 371827 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340191062 861804 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Topology , curse you.... < 1340191085 849814 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340191127 434606 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120619/03230119379/fbi-dea-warn-that-ipv6-may-be-too-damn-anonymous.shtml < 1340191202 619510 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG 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:PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198340 386813 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198516 198786 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340198528 80088 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1340198528 681094 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198726 245833 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198918 653055 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340199072 784941 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2>(+)*2)*2((+)*6<(-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(-)*42>(-)*46>(+)*48)*2(>)*3(([(-)*4[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][..-]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340199075 303539 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 58.7 < 1340199105 267946 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340199353 130403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340199369 567022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: WHERE'S DA CODE < 1340200419 659124 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340200657 930668 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: for topology, wikipedia is very good < 1340200698 278834 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mostly you need definitions < 1340200720 352538 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you want to do research in the topic, i don't really know what you need, since i don't know what topologists are doing. < 1340200745 927814 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but our second latest article was kind of about topology and we just used wp and counterexamples in topology < 1340200812 344333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i am interested in is computer-less program design. < 1340200828 14683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like having a whole software development studio without any computers in it < 1340200855 651308 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i doubt topology will help you with that < 1340200868 103033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i started playing a game :o < 1340200876 155306 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stronghold kingdoms < 1340200876 806979 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have many interests. i have little choice but to rattle them off. < 1340200895 98519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it happens < 1340200917 469575 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMORTS .. wow < 1340200938 725599 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow if you wanna get into mathematics, afaik you basically have to know the basics of topology, but unless you do topology specifically, you just need the basics < 1340200995 413335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a fun game if you have an infinite amount of time on your hands. < 1340201002 549907 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201051 747518 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm borderline obsessed with video games. i would say completely obsessed if i invested more energy into learning about them < 1340201100 775913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is inherently a part of video games, even though i got in a bitter fight about how math is not essential for video games in another channel < 1340201178 169825 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340201185 730731 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you certainly need to apply some basic linear algebra to get a game engine working. < 1340201190 823897 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201227 276218 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of making a game is outside the engine and the math is elementary or nonexistent < 1340201269 901413 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think the science of computer games (the word video games is admittedly not very good) is burgeoning < 1340201298 550204 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it an art.. it's amusing to me how many scientists end up engaged in developing art tools < 1340201354 955798 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aha we have made a breakthrough in the lab.. call the painters guild, theres a new kind of paint coming!" < 1340201421 516660 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201462 917545 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say it's much closer to art than science, there is no scientific method and you're usually scored based on packaging. then again perhaps that's how science actually works outside math anyway. < 1340201465 500573 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok what really happens is that, because of not knowing, i end up endlessly speculating < 1340201477 259478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://p.twimg.com/Avw0BNbCAAEZXV-.jpg < 1340201478 607944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's normal < 1340201519 120012 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surface looks so neat < 1340201521 497853 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want one < 1340201532 976958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused because they called that one table-sized thing Surface originally. < 1340201535 153622 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, like, i don't know how to do "algebra" .. that thing which 8th graders call "algebra".. im not in a position to use any bigger words < 1340201542 537894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am referring to arithmetic + variables :P < 1340201544 244887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's been retconned to SomethingPixel though. < 1340201553 164766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PixelSense, I mean. < 1340201579 720587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surface_table.JPG see that's a Surface. < 1340201588 770521 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... when i try to meditate on numbers so to speak, i hit a dead end very fast < 1340201591 974206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose they just zoomed it down. < 1340201624 773453 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like vroom vroom brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr **\CRASH3=\-\=3- < 1340201653 680258 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the price of being lazy < 1340201673 348478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: usually algebra is arithmetic + variables but you're talking in a more general sense about other objects that satisfy similar axioms. < 1340201689 38701 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for universal algebra where the axioms can be anything. < 1340201699 872364 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the operations) < 1340201705 289862 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(universal algebra is great) < 1340201705 450275 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell myself, theres kids in africa whose daily drinking water is killing them.. and yet i cannot muster the energy to do the dishes < 1340201739 821172 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at one with my laziness < 1340201783 323492 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201784 685410 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what incredible laziness, that sounds really scary. well unless you're a 20 something male of course. < 1340201792 689823 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 < 1340201809 883780 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 30 something bachelor w/e < 1340201816 944502 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya :D < 1340201833 726670 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a piece of text where kafka talks about the bachelor < 1340201838 468279 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to clean this place up by friday since i have a visitor < 1340201857 832033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been planning this for two weeks. < 1340201916 221680 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so dreadful to be a bachelor, to become an old man struggling to keep one's dignity while begging for an invitation whenever one wants to spend an evening in company, [...] to feel estranged from one’s family, with whom one can keep on close terms only by marriage, first by the marriage of one's parents, then, when the effect of that has worn off, by one's own, having to admire other people < 1340201916 578693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s children and not even being allowed to go on saying: “I have none myself,” [...] < 1340202007 205547 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, girlfriends are essential < 1340202049 561318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt this quite strongly on my grandma's 90th birthday < 1340202053 785936 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hipsterhost.net/ < 1340202072 692524 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my cousins with their houses and their children < 1340202090 243676 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202123 735187 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me at a table with my mum, grandma, and the tradesman uncle < 1340202155 95912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tell our cat "there are cats in Africa who are not getting any food", but it doesn't seem to motivate it one bit to eat the dried-up stuff in its bowl. < 1340202161 213991 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202172 799111 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The cat recognizes the fallacy. < 1340202199 409049 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, i do too.. the real threat is if you work too hard people will expect that from you < 1340202219 348412 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll let you burn yourself out < 1340202253 310956 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares what they think, the real problem is you start expecting that from yourself. not that i see how this has anything to do with the cat. perhaps something. < 1340202259 678190 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340202274 433959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats not it < 1340202286 902795 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202349 550775 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well one thing i wish i could do was write an inverse kinematic animation engine < 1340202357 224653 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say that africa thing is a fallacy, do you also think it's okay for american spoiled brats to want a new car on each of their birthdays even though they already have a fuckload of nice things? < 1340202366 35224 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats one place i think math would be useful for gaming < 1340202382 799742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because personally i find them obnoxious, and i don't know many people who don't. < 1340202384 230591 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically speaking i'm sure it's rather trivial < 1340202410 310318 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i'm just missing the point of the fallacy < 1340202436 973108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an inverse kinematic animation engine < 1340202464 224724 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well.. suppose you have some skeleton < 1340202477 775848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you say, i want the right hand to go to this point < 1340202503 931309 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then getting the skeleton to bend some joints to get the hand to the point < 1340202513 995574 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340202529 278801 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also interested in a generalization of this (called clue 2) < 1340202545 782956 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340202563 519108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue 2 - you don't have a clue just how awesome it is. < 1340202570 792240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202573 860657 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun intended. < 1340202590 47119 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i used the word clue in the official motto and that's also thename) < 1340202592 322113 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the name < 1340202597 768746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the pun) < 1340202598 865584 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the subject apparently comes up a lot in robotics but it's like for fucks sake its not a robot its just a 3d model, someone is drinking too much if they study robotics to figure out how to make a 3d model move < 1340202668 561715 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perhaps they want to do this with muscles to make it look more realistic. not that i know what robotics actually studies. < 1340202701 619377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i admit drinking too much is a big problem among inverse kinematic animation engineers. < 1340202727 804291 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _some_ people do get too carried away with the math side of it < 1340202774 92312 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the good math usually only starts once you get so carried away you don't even remember what you're doing < 1340202842 92500 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who made the game N have got themselves lost in the study of robotics < 1340203031 359271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that if you tell an inverse kinematic animation engineer to solve some set of equations, he or she will just be all numerical methods about it, instead of trying to find analytical solutions. At least if it's a hard enough problem. < 1340203079 234422 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why make equations when there's random search < 1340203159 809318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few of the smarter people have started to do stuff related to skeletal animation over the years but it's yet to really be the next wave < 1340203179 608093 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i think ragdolls are ugly < 1340203192 597194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interfaces for them are horrible < 1340203200 274394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a vague feeling animation-wise they want some sort of consistency between the resulting solutions. < 1340203238 444945 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a skeletal animation character (in 2d) which is actually good < 1340203242 364335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that aims for realism is ever in the least bit interesting, so i don't really give that many shits about what the state of the art is < 1340203284 198800 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theres :) realism and theres :( realism < 1340203295 112581 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's :) realism < 1340203299 104511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better < 1340203314 465763 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic the hedgehog is :) realism < 1340203330 465530 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of a trivial game. < 1340203348 739828 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has objects moving! < 1340203368 895587 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for timers that increase variables. < 1340203419 220070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sonic the Hedgehog nowadays uses the Havok physics engine, I think there's a bit more math in it than that. < 1340203427 314087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everything nowadays uses Havok.) < 1340203439 244751 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm the 3d sonics get a lot of criticism.. < 1340203449 443594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, understandably. < 1340203451 492423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i assumed we were talking about the 2d version < 1340203469 169826 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, cos im retro-hipster-retro < 1340203474 968041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about the gene. Oh, wait, it doesn't have that "the". < 1340203476 731395 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so realism.. to expound a bit more < 1340203489 10936 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone got very upset about the sonic the hedgehog gene < 1340203527 643940 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to see a 3d game that has an idea. < 1340203530 526118 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic the hedgehog maintains a narrative kind of realism < 1340203581 671532 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stands on 2 feet(on the ground).. and he can walk back and forth at a steady pace < 1340203645 495656 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "narrative kind of realism mean"? < 1340203655 91661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything except "real realism"? < 1340203665 628503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Walking back and forth. < 1340203668 769422 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some ragdoll games it looks as if some kind of invisible force is dragging a lifeless body about in the air < 1340203681 471396 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you sure? < 1340203716 694249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the ragdoll's joints react realistically to being dragged about in the air < 1340203801 393007 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent played many modern games so i'm out of the loop of realism < 1340203817 643622 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't identify with the character if it doesn't look like there's a newtonian physics and a sequence of muscle contractions behind its motion? < 1340203854 736126 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a shit, make the player a ball and the game doesn't change at all. < 1340203861 593190 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right. < 1340203870 966831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my comments about realism were wrong < 1340203907 526739 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real problem is that most ragdoll games, all of them quite shameful in a way, are about dragging a lifeless body through the air < 1340203917 442288 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an incredibly awkward interface < 1340203937 871346 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340203940 134880 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent really played many, mostly seen them on youtube < 1340203945 696387 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the necrophiliacs are a big market < 1340203960 982713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they should all play like that QWOP thing or whatever it was. < 1340203981 871073 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not a whole lot better than QWOP < 1340203988 62642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with more keys. < 1340204029 10486 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP was designed to be difficult though. < 1340204049 348436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think their point is in how you start things moving. To the extent that they have a point. < 1340204051 20592 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340204124 537853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Finnish joke-demogroup who made the semi-known "Dismount" series of games, incidentally. < 1340204125 341894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, suppose that QWOP had some kind of AI that when you're not pressing anything, it tried to stand up straight < 1340204166 140604 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that when you push right, it would try to approximate a stable run < 1340204212 721227 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therein we find the beauty i am speaking of < 1340204224 466120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one was released at Assembly some years back (actually what the what, it was a *decade* ago), and then they made a couple more for later years. < 1340204284 393806 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my ego invested in such things, i actually hope that i might be the first to make such a thing one day < 1340204288 860585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a playable qwop < 1340204349 465648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, the idea i guess is that when no keys are being pressed, it will try to use inverse kinematics to stand up < 1340204375 263515 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how feasible that is < 1340204387 371271 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pffrt, tAAt is dead serious! < 1340204402 664811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Very serious business, sure. < 1340204428 683888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, Napababa. < 1340204436 116215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away.) < 1340204458 827953 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kind of game i would like to make with such a system is .. among other things, something like double dragon < 1340204613 37886 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwop was a great game < 1340204716 988356 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so dismount is pretty cool < 1340204725 382394 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i secretly love ragdoll games :(( < 1340204737 313657 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i KNEW it < 1340204741 409543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=167713 < 1340204746 102274 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1340204815 156394 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i need proof < 1340204979 713961 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people seriously still falling for spam? < 1340204987 920736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean spam scams < 1340205064 346631 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they didn’t, there would be no spam anymore. < 1340205129 841740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340205272 346732 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? maybe they're being paid by the spam filter ppl. < 1340205799 269858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340206596 893280 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340206622 977200 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i analyzed my youtube history for relevant videos.. im not sure what the N months or years ago part means.. if it means when i viewed it or when it was uploaded < 1340206625 511465 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi45.tinypic.com/5ml7cy.jpg < 1340206660 99485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the zany things i have seen < 1340206772 843637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340207642 679295 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theremin controlled Mario" < 1340207649 540812 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet that's not even remotely fun. < 1340207660 131945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1340207664 487190 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it's awesome < 1340208114 346856 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/4121094 < 1340208536 845741 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340208625 366584 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340209744 135698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know, like, vim, right? < 1340209744 704513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340210252 72637 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340210916 120996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know vim, right. :( < 1340210955 586635 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pong < 1340210990 639984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you have a ping on "vim"? < 1340211004 624312 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was just browsing < 1340211084 267624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How can I yank up to the next line which is just a } on its own? d% on the corresponding { sorta works, but I'd like to yank from the function signature line before it. < 1340211125 336370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/^}$ < 1340211137 606744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also ][ < 1340211200 706163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm, [[ and ]] seem to do something. But not [ or ] on their own. < 1340211218 653320 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the specific command '][' < 1340211222 363441 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::he ][ < 1340211236 389292 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the last two paragraphs of :he section < 1340211283 17790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. < 1340211291 891282 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem. < 1340211432 907909 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340211457 188273 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1340211773 400602 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1340213018 237903 :atrapado!~za@46.222.156.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340213191 921452 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is so awkward < 1340213564 349136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: heathen! < 1340213632 763796 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't get the idea of writing some runes in a bar in order to edit code < 1340213641 715389 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much context switching < 1340213679 977778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if I remember the syntax, you can change ^ to \_ to find an indented } < 1340213716 87170 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to remember syntax < 1340213731 996770 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd probably end up doing something like Vj%d starting at the function line < 1340213768 235622 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No such thing AFAICT < 1340213790 473375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\s*}$ of course works < 1340213824 649402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there is supposed to be special syntax for it, like how _ moves to first non-whitespace character < 1340214360 563390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the syntax I was thinking of was \_^ but that doesn't seem to mean what I want it to < 1340214416 133516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that's really no different from knowing the three million useful hotkeys you need to be productive in any other editor < 1340214452 249594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least vim has a coherent language behind it < 1340214474 377996 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340216277 566865 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffuu < 1340216340 574725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :find f, find u, undo? < 1340216430 305147 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... major eval fuckup: < 1340216431 385820 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sq => (lambda (x) (* x x)) < 1340216431 927544 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comp => (lambda (f g) (lambda (x) (f (g x)))) < 1340216432 468613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1340216432 650718 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (comp sq sq) => (lambda (x) (f (g x))) < 1340216432 810343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1340216433 729796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1340216440 80910 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fail ;/ < 1340216552 585559 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why < 1340216597 853209 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340216600 695339 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340216687 366138 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340216787 155342 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1340216919 991160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1340216954 796576 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably because interpreter's eval doesn't do anything with lambda < 1340217000 296008 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe you need to do something with lambda < 1340217049 76057 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what < 1340217090 534298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta-expand? beta-reduce? apply a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism? < 1340217161 418537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340217381 693749 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply does B-reduction < 1340217528 490080 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340217805 563061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340217816 458501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340218186 75521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi john_metcalf < 1340218748 488613 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb, Quintopia, all :-) < 1340218769 819299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who Is John Metcalf? < 1340218778 637874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Metcalf is john_metcalf < 1340218785 315411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or his he? < 1340218866 843910 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my bio :-P "I'm a recreational programmer interested in Core War, Forth, Smalltalk, assembly, programming games & algorithms ? Find me at http://RetroProgramming.com " < 1340218871 172110 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this suc < 1340218872 437293 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ks < 1340218891 179652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get RetroProgramming.com? Seems like a potentially much-desired URL < 1340218965 803519 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was unregistered so I grabbed it. I also have http://programminggames.org http://corewar.co.uk and about 10 others... < 1340218982 923449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: i was gonna say your retro programming needs a new bfjoust article. it has been 3 years. yours is out of date < 1340218989 46800 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame http://programming.??? are all occupied by squatters < 1340219011 247871 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a metal calf? < 1340219044 623520 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are some new top level domains, maybe programming.xxx is available. < 1340219059 102519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming.int appears to be free < 1340219065 733456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1340219076 770980 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340219082 696439 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmmm... maybe. I don't think there's anything I can write that isn't already covered by the strategy guide. < 1340219118 773725 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to buy corewar.com recently, but they wouldn't drop the price below $3k :-( < 1340219124 378206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: then you can say that the game has become more complex, post a modern example program and link the guide < 1340219136 883745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just append it to the old article < 1340219165 792072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the scoring is about to change... < 1340219233 292369 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. I'll do that shortly after the new scoring. A new article but with a link from the two old articles. < 1340219266 918081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "The .int TLD is strictly limited to organizations, offices, and programs which are endorsed by a treaty between two or more nations." It may be slightly different to get it. < 1340219296 424147 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1340219317 847176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they had "ip6.int" in there, so maybe all it takes is a small bribe IANAwards. < 1340219350 161358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, there is no fee if you make the cut. < 1340219373 804884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was only when they were going to replace .arpa with .int. Nowadays it's ip6.arpa instead. < 1340219400 155745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they had it there, so certainly they can stick in whatever. < 1340219416 188711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programming.cat" is equally free if you just don't mind making it about programming in the Catalan language. < 1340219452 825106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the application procedure requires the applicant to provide evidence that it is indeed treaty-based by providing a United Nations treaty registration number and that it has independent legal status." < 1340219482 295321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1340219505 239562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm sure you could photoshop those. < 1340219534 54538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lol.cat is a community tied by its love of cats, pictures supposed to be funny and Catalunia." < 1340219543 261181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecing there to be an actual Catalan link. < 1340219563 13381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the requirements, after all. < 1340219636 319346 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, catalonia? < 1340219651 615506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "programming.museum" does not exist even though I would think there's at least one museum in the world about programming, or at least programming-related artefacts. < 1340219676 743823 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just reading a bit about salvador dali the other day < 1340219705 852122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he described the earth as a head and catalonia as the nose < 1340219718 196642 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or catalon or whatever < 1340219733 756790 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i as usual dont entirely know what i mean < 1340219853 825287 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220019 252009 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220121 729765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220200 881008 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betcha プログラミング.日本 is open. < 1340220237 151366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1340220247 712288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Argh*, that TLD DNE. < 1340220277 397957 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-71.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340220346 347612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :China has two IDN ccTLDs (.中国 and .中國), while Japan has none. Such injustice. < 1340220400 850390 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan's not requested one. < 1340220431 742039 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, China has 2, 3 or 5, depending on what you count as 'China'. < 1340220439 90567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you open? < 1340220445 128150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong has a ccTLD, and Taiwan has two. < 1340220453 721393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taiwan has two? < 1340220478 965316 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.å�°ç�£ and .å�°æ¹¾ < 1340220492 854402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(traditional and simplified) < 1340220498 481958 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1340220517 978236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't fathom why they have both. < 1340220531 290281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, Wikipedia's TLD list says "Open for registration to individuals/companies around Europe" for .fi, while the Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority's (who actually run it) site says you must either be an individual of "15 years of age; have a Finnish personal ID number; and live in a Finnish muncipality", or be a company/company-like entity that is "registered with the trade ... < 1340220532 668481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified isn't much used in Taiwan, and traditional isn't much used in mainland China... < 1340220537 321452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... register or the registers of associations or foundations in Finland". (Which I think have some sort of presence requirements.) < 1340220564 204821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there automagic mirroring between the two forms, or can one register a domain with a version and not on the other? < 1340220593 640276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: They point to the same DNS server. < 1340220691 521427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not exactly proof yet. Also, they have non-identical SOA serial numbers, unlike China's two forms. < 1340220733 750685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sounds a bit strange if the contents weren't identical, though.) < 1340220873 435178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two isn't that much; India has seven (भारत, بھارت, భారతà±�, ભારત, ਭਾਰਤ, ভারত and இநà¯�தியா, for the Hindi, Urdu, Telugu, Gujarati, Punjabi, Bengali and Tamil languages, respectively). < 1340220875 200748 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1340220901 675482 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340220918 782515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments in 'pedia say "not in use", though. But they've been allocamated. < 1340220995 431965 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340221024 844264 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very strange to browse to a website with chinese characters in its domain name. a quick google with "site:.香港" gets this for example: http://网存.å…¬å�¸.香港/client.php < 1340221056 502448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TWNIC's Registration Policy and Technical Solution for the .å�°ç�£ and .å�°æ¹¾ IDN ccTLDs: -- TWNIC will implement a comprehensive registration policy and technical solution for the synchronized .å�°ç�£ ( xn--kpry57d , Traditional Chinese form) and .å�°æ¹¾ (xn--kprw13d, Simplified Chinese form) IDN ccTLD in order for ensuring the DNS stability and avoiding the user confusion. When registering ... < 1340221063 24611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a "Traditional-Chinese-Characters.å�°ç�£", a set of corresponding registrations will be received at the same time, including "Traditional- Chinese-Characters.å�°æ¹¾", "Simplified-Chinese-Characters.å�°ç�£" and "Simplified-Chinese-Characters.å�°æ¹¾"." < 1340221067 492840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they are synchronized, yes. < 1340221101 849149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in a way that you can mix-and-match the actual domain and TLD parts if you feel like it. < 1340221208 330408 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340221213 372997 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340221745 420368 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340221912 875829 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340222500 486789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye! < 1340222503 729703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340223625 173401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a sudden, unpleasant realisation that he will never be able to enjoy Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
< 1340223645 157018 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1340223663 20189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem unpleasant < 1340225310 639828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe memetic overload, no doubt. < 1340225324 705637 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Thankfully, most other Monty Python stuff doesn't have that problem. < 1340225350 941151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "most other Monty Python stuff" is just stupid. :-( < 1340225352 263799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to have seen it before the memery < 1340225353 216616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually on purpose. < 1340225361 166822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1340225437 314107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's a mixed bag, yeah. < 1340225497 23233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that a lot of the humour comes from unpredictability, and the constant quoting has the effect of spoiling the joke whilst removing it from the context that would make it somewhat funny. < 1340225526 328267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think doing things just for the unpredictability is very funny. < 1340225531 605164 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life of Brian is good because a) it's not quoted completely to death and b) it's more of a straight satire. < 1340225563 529553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when it's funny it's not just because it's silly and unpredictable; it's just a necessary element. < 1340226781 891974 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340226782 343625 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340226782 503895 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340226827 868538 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340227860 75168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340228076 609828 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340228221 378643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted to A Bit of Fry and Laurie < 1340228776 259755 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340228794 440186 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340229063 199459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge has stopped printing the URL where your file goes. wtf sprunge. < 1340229206 26979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that problem too < 1340229237 750711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think so. it is on sprunge's end after all < 1340229637 76484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340230338 645958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340231377 475455 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1340231993 551440 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232055 433695 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340232290 204752 :atrapado!~za@46.222.156.152 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340232295 365739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340232465 808699 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232488 730455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I quote ( or ) in scheme? < 1340232707 933738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340232765 638171 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a way to quote '(' or ')' in scheme < 1340232783 291739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1340232785 895157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sound confused < 1340232801 919104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232806 474460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.0.4; en-us; Galaxy Nexus Build/IMM76L; CyanogenMod-9) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/534.30 < 1340232806 634823 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean quoting. < 1340232810 912201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1340232843 871030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes < 1340232844 31263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't realised that UAs were getting even more complex now mobiles are running around, but in retrospect it was inevitable < 1340232847 496293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what do you mean by quoting < 1340232862 128568 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for example you can quote a with 'a or (a b) with '(a b) but how do I quote single ) or ( < 1340232864 781953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t find a way to quote elliott in scheme. < 1340232886 736237 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: 'elliott < 1340232899 688585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that's an incoherent question < 1340232902 304437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you quote an s-expression < 1340232907 590751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and ) are not s-expressions < 1340232910 440419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'foo is sugar for (quote foo) < 1340232916 32271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so '( would be... (quote () < 1340232917 966729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's meaningles < 1340232918 471661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1340232951 530032 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I want to put atom named ( in my scheme program < 1340233003 176422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean symbol < 1340233023 524633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if it is called that in scheme < 1340233044 435571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can do (string->symbol "("). note that string->symbol will return a different symbol each time you call it iirc, i.e. < 1340233052 289453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not (eq? (string->symbol "a") (string->symbol "a")) < 1340233054 112196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1340233584 172609 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340233597 434671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth getting a screen protector for a smart phone? < 1340233604 293313 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340233622 315508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about those fancy ones using the fancy material designed to protect helicopter rotors originally < 1340233627 790514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how good they are though < 1340233647 815544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gorilla glass is quite scratch resistant anyway, isn't it? < 1340233663 62629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll mess with multitouch < 1340233668 518968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1340233670 851987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bad < 1340233688 310619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess a case of some sort is a better (though more annoying) investment < 1340233727 230157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just hold it < 1340233739 814147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1340233747 515921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need a case :P < 1340233749 498544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for when it is in my pocket < 1340233753 661231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my keys < 1340233755 825418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what notr < 1340233757 254045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1340233761 806022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1340233791 774873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either that or I have to start carrying everything but the phone in my right pocket instead < 1340233803 862606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could get a bit bulky < 1340233816 104092 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the main cause of broken smartphone screens actually is.
< 1340233821 869354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I tend to have asthma medicine in that pocket. Which is bulky in itself < 1340233846 719254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not so worried about broken as I am about scratched < 1340233851 913423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, all of the breakages I've seen have been fractures radiating from a point on the edge, so I'm guessing you really need to cushion the edges. < 1340233871 352610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I seen that sort of thing radiating from a place in the middle of the screen < 1340233873 149438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340233874 832307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're worrying about scratches some cheapo plastic things should do. < 1340233889 47974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340233894 834564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get scratched though < 1340233905 492726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the point is they're trivially replacable. < 1340233935 886865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that copter screenprotector and the "invisible shield" thingy (same deal, different vendor) seem extremely scratch resistant from what I have read < 1340233942 751738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, completely. < 1340233944 881314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a casing for the edges and back, to protect against the aforementioned problem with the edges focusing stress onto the screen. < 1340233956 655542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a good idea < 1340233959 803269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... do you really want to eliminate scratches, or stop them being permanent? < 1340233980 274636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, not having to buy new protectors every few months would be nice? < 1340233998 850631 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get, like, 10 at once or something? < 1340234012 311052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not sure which solution is cheapest < 1340234023 971278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the long run I mean < 1340234036 717384 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do you plan to keep the phone for? < 1340234052 481737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it breaks or I absolutely need a new < 1340234061 121747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I always do with phones < 1340234071 824254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current phone is maybe 7 years old now < 1340234098 126599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kind of breaking, and no longer provides sufficient features for me < 1340234122 621372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that with the state the plastic back of it is in now it is a question of months until it breaks < 1340234126 413655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe weeks < 1340234138 204962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so the answer is: "for a really long time" < 1340234151 30847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a high end phone so I expect it to last for a while < 1340234164 675921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell it costs almost half of what my thinkpad cost(!) < 1340234178 312666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have an R-series thinkpad though, not T-series) < 1340234194 290661 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure high-end equates with durability. < 1340234228 755731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, didn't claim so. I meant that it should be sufficiently fast to run things several years down the line. < 1340234235 96016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have enough storage and so on < 1340234465 312339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but what's the point if it breaks after 3 years? < 1340234482 957107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, using a case should protect it against physical damage. < 1340234489 179157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a large degree < 1340234858 26227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >-(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(+)*50(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*28 < 1340234860 712931 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 49.7 < 1340235012 633840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: brachiation2 beats fewer programs than brachiation, yet has a better score. any theories? < 1340235076 899267 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed this about the scoring. Still no idea why, though. < 1340235077 891440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340235450 722680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it beats better programs < 1340235517 528176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dingdingding! < 1340235522 569744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats ffspg < 1340235550 841203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it beats brachiation. i wonder how much the score would go down if i beleeted brachiation < 1340235577 365679 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: BTW, the most updated attack scheme is (([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340235587 428773 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you caught an in-edit < 1340235600 905093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340235618 193662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope that's exactly the one brachiation2 uses < 1340235667 834040 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? It looks like (([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 instead. < 1340235690 655 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is one more [+ and has the ]>] over by one. < 1340235692 873820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find out oh yer right < 1340235702 706435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you think its better < 1340235717 881100 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives me a better score in leviathan. < 1340235723 100200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >-(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(+)*50(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*28 < 1340235725 824131 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 50.1 < 1340235729 984657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay cool < 1340235731 241586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340235736 388103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for experiment! < 1340235800 332505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation < < 1340235802 965783 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 0.0 < 1340235834 508817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like brachiation2 went UP when i beleeted it < 1340235837 997179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neeeeeat < 1340235858 917226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, so did everything else, including leviathan) < 1340235957 80042 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, taking out brachiation causes leviathan's score to go up by 2 < 1340236008 591407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to hill effects < 1340236018 927108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff was fully predicted and hashed out in 2009 :P < 1340236575 103929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hill effects? < 1340236612 754823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340236717 991551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't happen like that under my system. brachiation2-in-the-absence-of-brachiation actually rates lower than brachiation-in-the-absence-of-brachiation2 under quintopia_scoring_system < 1340236823 275179 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340237005 344065 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quirtle (>)*8(>[([++[-[--[-[(-)*120(-.)*16>]]]]]>)*21])*21 < 1340237008 4822 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_quirtle: 37.5 < 1340237027 281785 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that still works. < 1340237045 897642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it still works so well < 1340237134 595717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1340237141 75011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it beats spelevator < 1340237172 665824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't. bumps its flag by enough to beat it < 1340237184 420958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be it just gets there fast < 1340237188 743722 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quirtle (>)*8(>[++[-[--[-[(-)*120(-.)*16>]]]]])*21 < 1340237191 411070 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_quirtle: 37.7 < 1340237208 693759 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very fast against space_elevator. < 1340237232 809653 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example is david_werecat_ill_take_the_stairs < 1340237252 390943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :brachiation also bumped its flag, but i deleted it :P < 1340237305 152307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340237310 60614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it beats spelevator < 1340237326 54884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily fixed < 1340237419 194559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why poke is such a great strategy: you can change your strategy for every tape length < 1340237485 154737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was only bumping my flag for slow rushes, not fast rushes) < 1340237604 248995 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an alternate strategy for ill_take_the_stairs when you change it :D < 1340237636 528715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't looked at i'll_take_the_stairs < 1340237639 739869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340237705 710540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, bumping flag only works on one polarity when the opponent is already on the flag < 1340237888 43648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah blister on my toe < 1340238021 441351 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quirtle (>)*8(>[++[-[--[-[(-)*122(-.)*12>]]]]])*21 < 1340238023 978214 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_quirtle: 39.0 < 1340238041 822204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sporks quintopia ----(Z
< 1340238044 897846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy < 1340238049 88065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1340238064 139009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get a blister? < 1340238073 441334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by taking a couple of long walks < 1340238120 328965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340238121 236417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340238123 578536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should avoid that < 1340238127 786957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you live again? < 1340238134 775216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trondheim, norway < 1340238211 470157 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340238217 9839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have regular roads there? < 1340238226 262273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :asphalt? < 1340238305 850712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a lot of asphalt, but there is also a foresty coastal path passing almost next to this house < 1340238481 24050 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quirtle --(>)*8(>[++[-[--[-[(-)*122(-.)*11>]]]]])*21 < 1340238483 519846 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_quirtle: 40.1 < 1340238506 315515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: HEY NO POKEMONS ON OUR HILL < 1340238533 165518 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try telling ais523 that < 1340238544 294082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1340238547 624940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1340238547 902681 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1340238610 861139 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340238627 848850 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340238630 45590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah i don't know enough pokemon to recognize any ais523 ones < 1340238643 209285 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke? < 1340238655 564890 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340238702 44686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340238753 723958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow poke is a slow version of a poke strategy < 1340238761 343326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is quirtle even a pkmn? < 1340238771 721248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has sprunge started working again? < 1340238826 878224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :/ < 1340238841 559137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no but it's just one letter off one :P < 1340238888 292571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use hpaste just to get any random onlookers to wonder < 1340238922 263212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if hpaste has brainfuck syntax coloring :P
< 1340238938 887931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P3ptiKeC < 1340238944 670664 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 57.5 < 1340238945 434049 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340238947 473993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of hpaste < 1340238955 389012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not < 1340238976 491592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's the main haskell pastebin, but it supports several languages < 1340238980 195275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: okay quirtle loses now < 1340238995 833693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also gives hlints for haskell programs) < 1340239028 863780 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Note that ill_take_the_stairs still beats space_elevator < 1340239035 696697 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?win 14 < 1340239035 856721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems you cannot write in other languages in that box < 1340239036 733843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "14" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1340239036 917341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 < 1340239037 77790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: being one more than thirteen [syn: {fourteen}, {14}, < 1340239037 78020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {xiv}] < 1340239037 237345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the cardinal number that is the sum of thirteen and one < 1340239038 721539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [syn: {fourteen}, {14}, {XIV}] < 1340239049 548947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: i haven't even looked at ill_take_the_stairs < 1340239094 344622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that pause < 1340239107 798320 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially quirtle with hardcoded offsets to beat space_elevator < 1340239126 106126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's obviously no way to simultaneously beat quirtle and ill_take_the_stairs < 1340239166 832833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe something like shudderlock? < 1340239216 345360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks like shudderlock beats it < 1340239263 970398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to have a set of programs that were proved not to be simultaneously beatable < 1340239300 118151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be interesting < 1340239309 842697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me that we'll never achieve it < 1340239346 503359 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ties >((+)*66(-)*33)*-1 < 1340239353 163858 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_ties: 8.0 < 1340239356 645035 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ties ----->((+)*66(-)*33)*-1 < 1340239362 14871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 seemed to claim defence was broken, but is it broken completely or just in a rock/paper/scissors way... < 1340239363 241738 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_ties: 9.8 < 1340239413 12445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm pretty sure it's just "any defense strategy can be defeated by a rush, any rush can be defeated by a defense, and so on for any mix of strategies" < 1340239443 384202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is not broken, i though he meant something more than that < 1340239468 183036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if there was a program which could beat any defense < 1340239474 992364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i claimed that once < 1340239493 499737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was possible to construct a clear that would break any lock < 1340239505 615865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1340239527 613648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking all locks does not imply defense can't be useful < 1340239539 148108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1340239564 132286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feature valuable against one opponent might weaken you against another < 1340239574 884149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523 seemed to claim defence was broken, but is it broken completely or just in a rock/paper/scissors way... < 1340239578 313071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 no longer claims defence is broken < 1340239585 761926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a counter was found < 1340239594 458510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nice lambdabot invocation < 1340239594 618616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the essence of r/p/s phenomena i think) < 1340239604 436035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good, good < 1340239625 561960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to remember that thing that he and ais523 proved
< 1340239662 880536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember the claim but not the proof < 1340239898 430706 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >->+++++(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(+)*50(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*27 < 1340239902 247959 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 16.2 < 1340239909 496582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wololo < 1340240087 320640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340240090 682228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >->+++++(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(-)*50>(+)*44(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*27 < 1340240093 297142 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 46.7 < 1340240166 402520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340240169 123848 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.3 < 1340240204 450366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation < < 1340240207 86693 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 0.0 < 1340240235 250508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340240237 890609 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.2 < 1340240241 997620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to look at report < 1340240264 166635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 < < 1340240267 4231 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 0.0 < 1340241851 743495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340242431 803959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the category (->) has Zero as initial object and () as final object, while (Kleisli Maybe) has Zero as both initial and final, and that (Kleisli IO) has no final object at all. In (Kleisli Finalize) all objects are final. Is this correct? < 1340243214 932727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: assuming you are ignoring bottoms, that seems right except i don't know Finalize. also Zero is initial for any Kleisli m < 1340243304 925220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming Finalize ~ Proxy, that would seem right too < 1340243346 581843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I know Zero is initial for any Kleisli category too, and yes Finalize is the same as Proxy < 1340243427 934856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where Zero is uninhabited type < 1340243455 460466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, I do mean ignoring bottoms < 1340243493 14250 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340243968 146279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called it Finalize monad and its dual is Initialize comonad, which can be made with any category having final objects/initial objects. They are not specific to Haskell. < 1340244653 968328 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340244685 196975 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340244886 568593 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quirtle --(>)*8((>[++[-[--[-[(-)*122(-.)*11>{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1340244889 286324 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_quirtle: 41.5 < 1340244900 81150 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lightning --(>)*8((>[++[-[--[-[(+)*14[-]>{}]]]]])%20)*20 < 1340244902 633136 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_lightning: 37.4 < 1340245366 697670 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird clear < 1340245653 751054 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do need to go now, but before I do: the clear takes advantage of the fact that most programs leave an even number of decoys. < 1340245672 452556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1340245683 13058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340245684 757185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340245901 820320 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340249535 72559 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see the potato? < 1340249562 625227 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been out for about half an hour. < 1340249641 990988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, thank yiu < 1340251307 603492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1340251320 2965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340251493 967426 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340251584 392991 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340251912 28894 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340251971 326811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340254694 844973 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340254696 662284 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340255200 234516 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340258050 977254 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340258327 803558 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340258334 570566 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-157-139.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340259583 949523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340259980 751326 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340260096 290962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, elliott monqy ta ng update < 1340260546 158372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett, elliott monqy ta ng update <-- out of context that could be an interesting esolang... < 1340260564 315349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1340260566 572028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conlang < 1340260585 485089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that those aren't esoteric. < 1340260974 596968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What monads/comonads are possible in a thin category? Is it only the identity monad/comonad, Finalize monad, and Initialize comonad? Are any others possible? < 1340260985 584208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, a WordNet interface? So neat. < 1340260999 503601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn esoteric < 1340261000 148204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "esoteric" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1340261000 326876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric < 1340261002 140847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: confined to and understandable by only an enlightened < 1340261004 115731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical < 1340261006 14190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : theories" [ant: {exoteric}] < 1340261008 944013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such fun. < 1340261026 664918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The *** line seems a bit superfluous.) < 1340261033 252199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it works < 1340261052 46952 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1340261884 284147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell there would not be possible to have any monads on a thin category where distinct objects are unequal other than the identity monad and the Finalize monad. < 1340262329 977244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a proof, disproof, or counterexample? < 1340262415 173825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "unequal"? < 1340262436 959035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean as in a partial ordering; in case of categories, they would be not isomorphic. < 1340262505 263165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well M x and M (M x) would always have to be the same object then, i think < 1340262535 223232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it is what I thought. < 1340262599 960141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the only way it can make a monad is if M is the identity functor or Finalize, I think. < 1340262619 168662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And with comonads, also it must be the identity functor or Initialize) < 1340262627 949691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can have disjoint components behaving independently < 1340262652 480264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made my polyglot program also a .COM file and it worked on the first try < 1340262668 556805 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is naked bragging but I am very pleased :) < 1340262722 412321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, perhaps you can have a locally final object or something like that, is that what you mean? < 1340262730 933053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340262796 408674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you take an arbitrary partial order and take the product with (0,1); then can't you make a monad which sends (x,i) to (x,1) ? < 1340262816 545047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*{0,1} < 1340262913 291255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a product with {0,1}? < 1340262953 854098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a partial order with underlying set {(x,i) | x in original partial order, i in {0,1}} < 1340262974 263975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340262975 928795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x,i) <= (y,j) means x <= y and i <= j < 1340263013 253831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see that now < 1340263079 436652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in this case you have a product of monads; in the other case with disjoint components behaving independently it was a sum of monads, I guess < 1340263208 360652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is the product of the identity monad on the original partial order and the Finalize monad on {0,1} < 1340263251 97355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems so < 1340263265 882624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bye < 1340263297 631602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: May need to do shopping < 1340263857 867451 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340263858 339193 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340263858 499829 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340263871 885472 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340264480 509314 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340264564 792507 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340264705 892120 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340265390 294806 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1340267078 784391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are system calls in DOS done through interrupts rather than an ordinary (far) call? < 1340267097 750654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ditto BIOS) < 1340267112 265696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can at least hook them better when they've done like that, though I don't know if that has been the reason. < 1340267122 445189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no changing addresses. < 1340267136 125855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly there could be a list of indirect-call addresses at some fixed location. < 1340267148 745662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's pretty much what the interrupt vector table is. < 1340267247 398819 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code to invoke an interrupt is shorter, maybe < 1340267280 4854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't interrupts have a performance penalty compared to just a far call? < 1340267522 849615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's much of a difference in real mode. It certainly doesn't do much more than an absolute-indirect far call/return, except for saving/restoring flags in addition to cs/ip. < 1340267852 795883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's possible to do pushf + far call to the start of an interrupt handler and things will work out right, if you for some reason want to. < 1340268089 96447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I guess "INT x" also automagically disables interrupts (clears the trap and interrupt flags) which might be useful. < 1340268963 598461 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think so that the functions don't have to be at specific memory addresses. < 1340269000 371804 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extra layer of indirection lets you change memory layout. < 1340269066 745295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite possibly the best individual work of super mario bros. fan art ever: https://sites.google.com/site/jinsdepositry/home/jp_mariofin05fnsm.jpg < 1340269236 581427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You could do that equally well with an indirect far call. (But admittedly software interrupts and the IVT pretty much pre-implement that sort of thing.) < 1340269454 358743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a MBR code I wrote once, to call the disk interrupt it did not use INT; instead it had the almost equivalent set of instructions, so that the return address would be different < 1340269599 394472 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And it's CISC. < 1340269605 374820 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use 2 instructions when 1 will do? < 1340269641 867256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340269656 773379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave one example; such as adjusting the return address < 1340269690 136406 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: My *point* was just that real mode x86 coding style prefers to use as few instructions as humanly possible. :) < 1340269727 477683 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, if you're doing that sort of hack, you want to manually call the IVT. < 1340269735 628685 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neat trick, BTW) < 1340269758 505120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and I agree that too. However, there are sometimes you want to do things slightly different than the standard instructions < 1340269878 181441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This MBR code first fills the screen with "p" black on gray (the color is actually the reason why it is "p"), and then loads the kernel. < 1340270040 173109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the indirect far call also means you'd have to clobber a segment register to hold the location where system calls would be stored. < 1340270862 639642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: i concede there is no such thing as best art < 1340271126 132241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340272622 871995 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340272623 293421 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340272623 453086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340272817 864675 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340272909 600910 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD9551F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340273181 6417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this next link is a wtf moment :-D < 1340273297 420506 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi50.tinypic.com/2cgbj0k.jpg < 1340273465 800030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah windows XP, what the fuck < 1340274549 147979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My name is Johny, what the F**K?????" < 1340275672 816701 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340275673 309402 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340275673 469565 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340275736 865196 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340275868 522604 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340275928 803558 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340276231 994920 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340276247 807678 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340276549 322627 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340276629 794910 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340278037 809819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340278461 550277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h<|XP- {P_X(%GGG(%GGWZ- sh LI!XI!Hello, DOS!$ < 1340278970 859424 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340279327 349810 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-169.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340279465 3688 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-175-118.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340283533 118954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so the connection from my computer to my headphones is so noisy that I can hear scrolling. < 1340283584 234531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340283601 160428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how this is happening; it's like the headphone cord is picking up induction currents from every wire in the computer/ < 1340283919 555165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hearing scrolling is not very unusual, really. < 1340283941 235312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear mouse movements on one box if I use the integrated sound chip. < 1340283957 744820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my external USB audio stick partially because of that. < 1340283995 135968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I wouldn't immediately expect it to be the headphone cord's fault. < 1340284041 853741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, I thought I was going crazy. < 1340284065 93865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I had to switch to using a USB adapter because I think the front headphone socket is broken,. < 1340284087 733191 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340284115 906425 :kmc_!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340284119 719117 :kmc_!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340284463 78354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can hear all sorts of things. the most notable is dragging windows around or when web pages load. I can also hear transferring files. The variation on timbre per click is kind of interesting. Copying files will produce a higher pitched tone than loading a web page, for example. Dragging scrollbars will produce more of a staticy sound than a click." < 1340284475 655379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some people devote time to learning how their computer sounds like. < 1340284746 596357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection of one noise problem solved by muting the CD audio input; presumably the analog CD audio wire from the optical drive was picking up those noises. But that'd probably come through non-headphone playback at the same relative volume if it were the case. (Also not sure if modern optical drives even bother including analog CD-audio.) < 1340284831 105990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see through my OpenOffice Writer window. :/ < 1340284883 544951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a picture embedded on one page is upside-down, but that might be the document author's fault. < 1340285182 923984 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340285487 591152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the Purdue Bursar's Office send me a billing statement of $0 ... < 1340285497 548105 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to pay this $0 before July, too. < 1340285804 149087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd better act fast, then. < 1340285838 306790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I don't owe them $0 < 1340285848 179891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a $0 bill the other day, too. It had just a row of stars in place of the reference number, but it did have recipient bank account info and a sum. < 1340285852 321794 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't pay in time, they'll charge me a late fee... < 1340285870 345113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sadly, the late fee is probably a fixed sum, and not a fraction of the $0. < 1340285878 417729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragic, I know. < 1340285905 449923 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "¼ the owed fee, minus $50" < 1340285914 401875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which is which between debit and credit < 1340285940 227983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sounds like you have $0 credit with them, whereas i have $0 debit with them < 1340285946 546138 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to your credit, you haven't any debit. < 1340285953 353106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340285963 225542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340285993 55176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also not sure if modern optical drives even bother including analog CD-audio.) <-- mine doesn't have that < 1340285996 456171 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick MDude < 1340286008 98712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSleep, fail < 1340286015 495982 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1340286026 427785 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1340286063 615537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it sounds like the -0 +0 problem < 1340286065 510963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so yeah analogue CD-audio is dying < 1340286084 211516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if brainfuck was signed < 1340286102 337169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, uh it is? < 1340286111 482189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is < 1340286113 550938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, it makes no difference if it is < 1340286116 647378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1340286117 885611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that my most recent (SATA) optical drive didn't have CD audio either. < 1340286126 676477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-complement and unsigned both works for brainfuck < 1340286144 313323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, neither of my more modern DVD drives have that < 1340286152 589273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [] was skipped over for +0 but not -0 < 1340286160 433738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though one of them don't really count, it is ultrabay) < 1340286164 348132 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340286179 250477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what are you talking about? There is just one zero in two-complement < 1340286188 319311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you talking about sign bit? < 1340286198 366423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody uses due to the dual zero issue! < 1340286198 526465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultraboy, a superhero that lives in an Ultrabay slot. < 1340286211 335850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my analogy to gregor's debts < 1340286214 832786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome < 1340286235 404759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, right, which doesn't work in two-complement. Which is what everybody uses < 1340286243 40155 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340286252 727701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly people use a "sign bit", just not sign-magnitude. (Well, except if you count floats.) < 1340286262 781719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1340286282 768046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, floating point is irrelevant to brainfuck though < 1340286299 917299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I guess you should call them and ask wtf they are high on :P < 1340286314 950826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [,-] < 1340286334 644022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i mean < 1340286343 549178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [,[-]] < 1340286347 191080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see C11 still obeys the traditions and allows one's-complement and sign-and-magnitude. < 1340286347 351735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340286355 110784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think thats what i mean anyway < 1340286367 181913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I have no idea what you mean by that though < 1340286369 371516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is waiting for +1 as an input < 1340286392 249710 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the cell is 1 .. then the - operation reduces it down to -0 < 1340286402 562649 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Technically speaking, C11 probably allows you to implement ints as floats that you always truncate. < 1340286407 111106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you even understand what two-complement is? < 1340286411 953652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im out of my mind, some would call it trolling < 1340286413 81217 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. it doesn't give two shits about the representation) < 1340286458 363446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try and talk logically < 1340286461 406609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what happens < 1340286533 129724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, it doesn't. Neither did C99. < 1340286559 135195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha. that was an amusing bureaucratic error they pulled. this has no rational relationship with number polarity or brainfuck. < 1340286561 410736 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that no, it doesn't allow you to represent them that way, or no, it doesn't give two shits about the representation? < 1340286607 427095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't allow them. It does give shits about the representation. Except in that particular case you might be able to make it work as long as you consider the exponent parts of the float padding bits. < 1340286609 572024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1340286626 703664 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You notice how I never "hi" anyone, I just leap into conversations? < 1340286659 263047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hello there! greetings! < 1340286671 438361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For signed integer types, the bits of the object representation shall be divided into three groups: value bits, padding bits, and the sign bit. -- Each bit that is a value bit shall have the same value as the same bit in the object representation of the corresponding unsigned type. -- If the sign bit is one, the value shall be modified in one of the following ways: [list of ... < 1340286677 159652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that. i think a lot of bandwidth is wasted on greetings < 1340286677 933772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sign-and-magnitude, two's-complement and one's-complement]" < 1340286687 363253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That pain in your stomach is the blade. Don't think too much about it, the pain will be gone soon. Just breaaaathe. < 1340286695 945337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340286719 895745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as for the value bits of unsigned integer types, "each bit shall represent a different power of 2 between 1 and 2^(N-1)". < 1340286733 957632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, only 3 packets: SYN, SYN-ACK, ACK (in TCP) < 1340286739 879948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case scenario is a mandatory "i'm back!" every time someone joins a channel, and mandatory "i'm leaving" before quitting or lefting < 1340286749 854809 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have anything to say, so < 1340286753 447827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1340286767 294996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Where's the damned cooooode! < 1340286768 920004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well I will continue greeting people. < 1340286802 127386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you going to install it RIGHT THE FUCK NOW? < 1340286812 605964 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's not impossible. < 1340286823 735354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, code for what? < 1340286846 747171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll send it when i get home from work rather than stressing about it now < 1340286852 693505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would you like it sent? < 1340286859 200120 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the INTERNET < 1340286869 983260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340286876 44778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, mail a copy on a CD :P < 1340286884 600885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll send it to my private server and not give you access < 1340286895 569758 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can't you just ... put it online somewhere and give me a URL? Email is so clunky. < 1340286907 490572 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1340286914 25808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where should i email the url? < 1340286918 870571 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1340286922 616272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, Gregor: what is the code for? < 1340286934 801317 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: New BF Joust hill scoring system. < 1340286939 364156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1340286940 538969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1340286945 656475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will it differ? < 1340286962 857365 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In almost every conceivable way... but you'd have to ask quintopia for the actual algorithmic details. < 1340286985 110361 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I recall, it's a proper fixed point. But we talked about it MONTHS ago. < 1340286989 112569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it gives Gregor a hand job every time a new program is submitted. this is the most important feature. < 1340286992 67561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what are the algorithmic differences? < 1340286999 465440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340287000 273581 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340287024 166348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bfjoust really exemplifies programmable robot tournaments < 1340287029 800783 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340287084 832055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it really exemplifies "you're nuts" < 1340287086 633310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340287152 541047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once had a plan for a game which exemplified the serious business trope, where there would be remote control robot tournaments in an arena < 1340287162 484491 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the whole society around it would be simulated < 1340287199 262507 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never quite felt that it was a strong enough basis for a society < 1340287273 448554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :car racing yes < 1340287292 666274 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but battling robots by remote control, no < 1340287298 930541 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340287312 783763 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battling robots by pre-programming would be too geek for me < 1340287344 776870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :real steel, eh < 1340287391 476066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think it is implied in things like bfjoust that actual systems could compete along similar lines < 1340287475 146110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any of those TV series robot battles doing it right i.e. no remote controls? I haven't been paying attention. < 1340287478 969652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as robots go, bfjoust warriors have the poorest sensors and the weakest attacks :P < 1340287515 335335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: battle bots had an "autonomous class" once, but it wasn't very good. < 1340287540 30783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :robocup is the only serious competition along those lines these days < 1340287619 876855 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think bfjoust is like an aggressive form of golf < 1340287644 585792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the aggressive form of golf is where you hit other people with the clubs. < 1340287663 151192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like suppose there was a golf course where the ball could trigger walls to go up by landing on certain zones < 1340287716 827102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i have imagination and am proud of it >.< < 1340287731 181351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340287743 980608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a certain amount of golfing of programs required < 1340287761 121621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in minigolf it could be that there was some pressure censor which could make the doors close < 1340287765 868574 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340287775 439008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one of those buildings on the courses < 1340287776 677937 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340287790 244940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer minigolf games always have that kind of fluff, I'm not sure how feasible that is in real reality. < 1340287797 446594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21 you mean sensor? < 1340287802 989163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, rather than censor surely < 1340287826 764575 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340287827 813914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i fnord meant sensor, but i don't know fnord why i typed censor < 1340287844 636060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fnord? < 1340287863 724054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because typing sensor as censor is creepy < 1340287891 369193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even intentional < 1340287904 381203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fnords were of course < 1340287953 999803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. fizzie i didn't know that about computer golf games < 1340287958 534841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stands to reason though < 1340287969 192523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course it's feasible though :P < 1340287973 568616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1340288020 502181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the course would need some way to know when to do the sensing though < 1340288039 349834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be an informal rule not to step on the sensors < 1340288059 606683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only really matters during a swing < 1340288091 830110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could have little fences emerge from the field < 1340288095 314979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "feasible" in the "makes business sense" sense. < 1340288100 24519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's physically possible. < 1340288100 184643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1340288120 226356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like in a mostly-unattended course that sort of stuff would just forever be getting stuck or whatnot. < 1340288132 969978 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was also referring to code golfing too indirectly < 1340288185 667260 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since bfjoust against a static unchanging opponent amounts to code golf < 1340288218 985669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. there is no rewardd for shorter code in bfjoust < 1340288239 869686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :code golfmight mean something different than you thik < 1340288247 15089 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good point < 1340288265 771871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i avoid logic too much < 1340288468 339560 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i arrived at this point by pondering what would happen if the jousters in bfjoust didn't compete. and i didn't think it through. i guess that it would simply be a case of >>>>>>>>> < 1340288492 975355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for as long as need be < 1340288644 452359 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340290032 685661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Found terminal < 1340290134 188460 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340290263 634663 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340291177 949281 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340292451 571861 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.151.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340293269 826059 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.151.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340293750 657176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who thought that abbreviating "Low self-discharge nickel-metal hybrid battery" to "LSD NiMH" was a good idea... < 1340293813 941155 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good idea to me. < 1340293818 269481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340294101 791883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i seem to do is put into words things which wouldn't normally be put into words < 1340294248 387752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have these strange insights which seem to often be incomplete versions of theories and ideas known to the wise < 1340294285 190419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i make it perverse by trying to use them primarily for creating entertainment < 1340294359 292719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i once had this thought about a turtle shell from super mario bros bouncing against bricks being almost like a program running < 1340294388 169085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a program running. The game simulating the event you just described < 1340294390 307673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340294399 171770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but.. uh < 1340294416 494927 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean as if bricks and turtle shells could almost form a turing machine < 1340294445 180570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that < 1340294451 53242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume to begin with i would need a non-breaking brick, a breaking brick, and a turtle shell bouncing < 1340294452 700160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no flow control < 1340294482 114211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shell goes either left or right, hits a brick, bounces back the other way < 1340294491 482150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also program output would e < 1340294493 689000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the brick can be destroyed < 1340294501 553950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when it bounces back again < 1340294506 392121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* limited based on the number of bricks you have available < 1340294510 934733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can continue further < 1340294514 941513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't create more bricks as required < 1340294515 101769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1340294527 810847 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340294543 758674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pretty sure it isn't TC, though don't quote me on that < 1340294562 162403 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Subway has introduced a guacamole bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich. < 1340294569 788945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340294571 785327 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres this scene near the end of one of the levels where you knock one brick down and watch it destroy row after row of bricks < 1340294575 484079 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragically, they don't abbreviate it to GBLT, and hence do not attract only a niche audience. < 1340294590 631845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess that is the most inspiring part of t < 1340294600 144093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340294614 959444 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. there could be a thing where a shell can fall down a hole < 1340294637 910278 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean the program has stopped running perhaps < 1340294656 163735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can halt < 1340294707 771704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only now at the end do you see how truely perverse i am about this stuff < 1340294718 93804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340294858 317367 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340294937 352269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if i figured out a way to make more bricks though, that could be a cool thing < 1340294990 482169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eargh.. my poor brain < 1340295020 599255 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the brain is the put-upon one in the iti/iti's brain relationship. < 1340295039 220599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would actually have to understand TCs to take this any further < 1340295064 557506 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only understand like half of the TCs < 1340295086 772904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so humm < 1340295114 554539 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shell proceeds along resting on bricks < 1340295140 126617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it encounters a brick in it's path it erases the brick and then changes direction < 1340295203 320307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1340295264 440156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill check my blood glucose < 1340295307 709406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007004 < 1340295312 119397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fine < 1340295321 101221 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eugh argh aaargh < 1340295329 855046 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS NOT HOW LOTR WRITING WORKS HUSSIE < 1340295341 369649 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has all the diacritics wrong afio;jgsafio;g < 1340295494 864396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340295551 458315 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340295842 246690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so mario gives us the easy part.. a tape < 1340295873 63533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i suppose that an unbounded strip of tiles either containing a blank or a brick is a tape < 1340295884 267674 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the turtleshell is the head < 1340295911 558343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my lack of understanding begins by assuming that tells me much on it's own < 1340295959 967734 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are < 1340295966 394380 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you trying to understand turing machines < 1340295971 116497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by analogising with mario < 1340295988 568480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the head(the turtle) can erase a brick.. but it needs the capacity to write a brick.. which can be added too < 1340296003 570346 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340296026 128158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit weird having the shell writing bricks but i guess it is necessary < 1340296108 13765 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is next :-? < 1340296129 483322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can say that it is currently running such a program that < 1340296322 912021 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the shell is on a blank it will proceed to the right until it encounters a brick. if the shell is on a brick it will erase the brick, then proceed to the left. if the shell is on a blank it will proceed to the left until it encounters a brick. if the shell is on a brick it will erase the brick, then proceed to the right. and repeat. < 1340296438 334988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is that part, the defining that "program" which is the aspect of turing machines i am most uneducated about < 1340296490 534660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have i defined an instance of a finite state machine? :D < 1340296505 786534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could equally well say "Eurg argh aaargh" to the phrase "LOTR WRITING"; there are quite a few fictional scripts in the Middle-earth legendarium. < 1340296518 477667 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what he's imitating is none of them. < 1340296540 767165 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's imitating the English-but-with-Tengwar-vowel-signs script that's used for maps and the like. < 1340296545 552402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will call that program mario < 1340296578 458623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a better name exists < 1340296691 929507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall anything like that in the maps that are in my copy. But that's a Finnish printing. < 1340296706 514849 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't actually see it on the maps I can find. < 1340296730 109285 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's definitely used somewhere for some window-dressing text. < 1340297810 283686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres the program in C :-D < 1340297819 123304 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while(1) { while (n[i] == 0) i++; n[i] = 0; i--; while (n[i] == 0) i--; n[i] = 0; i++; } < 1340297903 200387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more time to be a bit cleaner: while(1){ while(!n[i]) i++; n[i]=0; i--; while(!n[i]) i--; n[i]=0; i++; } < 1340297933 310723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a tape clear to the right that never comes back < 1340297944 845832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340297947 713446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340297954 445172 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually did spend far too long doing that < 1340297958 372006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clears an equal number of cells to the right < 1340297966 831448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it will to the left < 1340297987 895038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when one direction is completely cleared, it heads off to infinity < 1340297993 757683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't compile of course since the size of n is unspecified and nor is the type of i < 1340298021 27129 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can compile it < 1340298028 950932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make n a linked list < 1340298030 795300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i applied brainfuck logic to it in C < 1340298069 372679 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im yet to write a bf version of this though < 1340298086 766735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the challenge before me < 1340298130 815669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is more difficult in bf < 1340298151 248349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (n == 0) is certainly not what bf was made for :D < 1340298151 743652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need to keep something on the tape to use as your while loop flag < 1340298167 809699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to set the whole tape to 1s < 1340298172 236977 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340298184 501509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that could work < 1340298191 246129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. not quite that < 1340298192 514854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1340298198 868064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340298204 993440 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... i could inverse the logic < 1340298210 216933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try that < 1340298212 626800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1340298224 185183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340298229 584096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1340298310 678974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if i say 1 is a blank, then i can do this: while(1){ while(n[i]) i++; n[i]=1; i--; while(n[i]) i--; n[i]=1; i++; } < 1340298332 998617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnnn < 1340298341 993248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1340298343 878641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok thats what you said < 1340298360 4315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the tape is all bits that would work < 1340298413 587756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340298418 185361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi! < 1340298509 678506 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ahh < 1340298515 732882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i put < 1340298515 893022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what i'm thinking: [-][[>]>[-]<+[<]<[-]>+] < 1340298545 325810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(1){ while(n[i]==1) i++; n[i]=1; i--; while(n[i]==1) i--; n[i]=1; i++; } < 1340298549 568557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did i ever tell you that i <3 aubergine < 1340298565 783233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that works < 1340298610 495958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1340298865 62995 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thanks! < 1340299220 364080 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340299406 416071 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340299873 903102 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340301256 414707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i made it! < 1340301264 787783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-]+[[[-]+>][-]+<[[-]+<][-]+] < 1340301294 310653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fark that took more work than i expected < 1340301901 780454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely going on substrings, ...][-] looks dubious, because immediately after passing through ] the cell can only be 0. < 1340301907 113669 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340302055 236735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this interpreter best demonstrates it's behaviour (in the debug box) http://www.lordalcol.com/brainfuckjs/ < 1340302260 898240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very confusing debug box. < 1340302279 854757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me a while to realize that it doesn't skip jumps, instead it walks through then with "SKIP WHILE: true" in the box. < 1340302327 77903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm reasonably sure it's not physically possible for those [-]s that come immediately after a ] to actually have an effect on anything. < 1340302385 306282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340302422 528031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh so its redundant code? < 1340302456 495496 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340302505 557075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i like this new version < 1340302521 366374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-]+[[[-]+>]+<[[-]+<]+] < 1340302585 416003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i can't figure out what it's doing when it stops < 1340302588 570185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [-] immediately at the start is I guess technically redundant too, assuming the usual start of a tape full of zeros. < 1340302685 612786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I suppose there's some reason why the program is not just +[[>]+<[<]>] ? I haven't really been following the conversation. < 1340302736 389785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm the one who wrote it >.< < 1340302745 73137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why < 1340302779 318066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuff said eh < 1340302897 896127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well that program, which you have written properly, it's a simulation of a turtle shell from super mario bros. < 1340302990 240460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. Except the way I wrote it, it only grows to one direction. But +[[>]+<[<]+] should be it. < 1340303012 515854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340303022 864597 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340303026 169294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean +[[>]+[<]+] -- that one < is obviously unnecessary. < 1340303035 218252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340303115 63601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so... like.. what you have basically got here is a way to tell a super mario turtle shell how to bounce < 1340303231 11085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a hypothetical brainfuck where < and > were replaced with ^ (either > or < depending on the current direction) and | (flip the current direction), that would be the simpler +[[^]+|]. < 1340303286 240873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the reason i made such a mess of hte program was i was trying to base it on C < 1340303455 765124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [-]+[[[-]+>][-]+<[[-]+<][-]+] was supposed to be: < 1340303463 847986 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n[i]=1;while(n[i]!=0){while(n[i]!=0) { n[i]=1;i++;}n[i]=1;i--;while(n[i]!=0){n[i]=1;i--;}n[i]=1;} < 1340303526 905688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1340303659 460285 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340303727 732628 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340303747 505342 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340303856 489662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... thats over. i can try to learn from this < 1340304249 167292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess a direct translation of "=1" does easily end up with some [-]+'s. Anyway, +[[>]+[<]+] translates to n[i]++; while (n[i]) { while (n[i]) i++; n[i]++; while (n[i]) i--; n[i]++; }, it's just that all n[i]++s are performed only on cells that are zero, therefore they are equivalent to n[i] = 1s. < 1340304278 420267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340304310 999988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for something like while (n[i] != 0) { n[i] = 1; i++; }, it's not really necessary to have n[i] = 1 in there, because n[i] is already 1, otherwise it wouldn't be looping any more. < 1340304317 76589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have developed a sound system of translating brainfuck to C as part of a way to read it < 1340304331 521779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think only now have i got it all sorted < 1340304545 950836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the translating: http://pastebin.com/sXRNnvVr < 1340304842 593710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia Brainfuck article has a C translation too, unless I misremember. < 1340304860 414839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they have. Though it's the pointer version. < 1340304923 355668 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340305033 129314 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally like mine better.. but blah < 1340305186 151751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knowledge of C is limited also.. i don't really consider deeply what ++ before and after means < 1340305218 289948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do i know whether a pointer can be trusted to address an array < 1340305530 783279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the only thing a pointer can really do. < 1340305581 361855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for pre/postfix ++/--, it doesn't much matter if the value of the expression is not being used for anything. < 1340305584 589797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340305675 529815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some (idiots) will tell you one of them is more efficient (I honestly don't remember which it is) when you're not using the result. < 1340305686 561602 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... This may have been true of pathologically un-optimizing compilers. < 1340305692 370688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mario shell is a strange sort of tapehead < 1340305726 74514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can read 3 cells < 1340305747 754521 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340305751 887378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not 3 < 1340305764 426404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it can perhaps read the before and after < 1340305783 306716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the prefix version that's usually considered efficient, though mostly in the context of C++ and user-defined types. < 1340305836 512651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the postfix version of the operator has to create a temporary (and hope it's optimized away), while the prefix operator can just return a self-reference. < 1340305921 793127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen C++ books advocate it's good form to have a habit of using the prefix version in all cases when the value is not used, though. < 1340306055 336405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/operator-overloading.html#faq-13.15 from the much-maligned FAQ. The FQA just pokes fun at how the compiler's optimization powers in this answer aren't limitless. < 1340306078 340619 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, well, C++ ought to be ignored. < 1340306138 534739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they should be calling it ++C, so that it'd be efficient. < 1340306347 70814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ trivia (well, it's maybe not that trivia): to show that you intend to overload the postfix ++ instead of the prefix ++, you give the "operator++" method a dummy int parameter. < 1340306426 761471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely think it's defined to have the value 0, but using it would be really bizarre. < 1340306427 843551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I had "/me wonders" unsent in my #esoteric tab < 1340306432 375841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have forgotten what I was wondering < 1340306452 868310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right; I was wondering if anyone received emails sent to abuse@example.com or webmaster@example.com < 1340306458 128997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suffers from repressed bad memories from his freshman programming introductory course...
< 1340306478 601071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Isn't that just a MX record check? < 1340306592 716891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: example.com doesn't seem to have a MX record, but it *does* have A/AAAA records, and I think those are used as fallbacks by MTAs. < 1340306629 779355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has dnssec signatures, interestingly enough.) < 1340306794 720010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody seems to be home at port 25 though. < 1340306988 8550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340307308 553364 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1340307514 710722 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340307986 427794 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340308821 917082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: battery < 1340309349 53526 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdue University Board of Trustees, which are appointed by the governor of Indiana, elects the governor of Indiana as president of Purdue. < 1340309398 843511 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so interested in purdue? one might think you lived there :-j < 1340309415 973410 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or am a student there. < 1340309455 273822 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm.. reaching the < 1340309459 660040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1340309461 508503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for itidus21 is Fri Jun 22 06:09:29 < 1340309462 699917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1340309491 632501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds crank to my cranky < 1340309537 876316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i must say < 1340309567 801267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first paragraph on this page is quite enlightening http://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_Turing.html < 1340309977 440051 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340310781 606848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340310783 395357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! i have come up with a way to think of an FSM in C < 1340310849 793798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/fSEUDLtQ < 1340310952 432001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took quite a while to arrive at actually.. < 1340311364 387884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, even better: http://pastebin.com/xqP9wrxi < 1340311460 715362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems what i am missing is a null operation < 1340311923 381953 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't microvax vax in desktop case? < 1340311934 909609 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1340312081 165734 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340312203 685766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, are you in Vax channels!? :D < 1340312219 119968 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. in #musl < 1340312224 586385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is < 1340312232 929859 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to make a clever joke about my computer's name, but it's just not coming. < 1340312246 183270 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: musl is libc < 1340312265 589481 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wasn't your computer named vax? < 1340312273 502774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340312287 118945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, I really need to get some compressed air and clean it out. < 1340312301 322595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fans have an incredible amount of dust on them. < 1340312533 89219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if there is any actual end to my edits to this, but im wondering if this is a sound comprehension of turing machines http://pastebin.com/xpNcw1jh < 1340312535 343375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah right that sounds familiar < 1340312550 822534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots of my notorious custom notations < 1340312556 100147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have dust filters? < 1340312569 565372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that while they are not perfect (no surprise there) they help a lot < 1340312577 653542 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, they would probably: help. < 1340312591 674597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than cleaning every other month I only need to clean maybe 1.5 times / year < 1340312594 643981 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess all the dust in this room is because it's carpeted or something. < 1340312609 953619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I only have a small carpet in my room < 1340312615 426735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't a very dusty one < 1340312632 236564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to google translate it is a "rag rug" < 1340312640 835366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that was accurately translated < 1340312668 173825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems accurate < 1340312674 613027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it doesn't cause that much dust < 1340312696 650260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have fans pushing air in or sucking air out? < 1340312730 847346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dust filters wouldn't help that much with the sucking (negative air pressure) design, since then a lot of air will be sucked in elsewhere as well < 1340312814 757693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh I was given an address for tomorrow, except when I check google maps and google street view it is just forest there < 1340312818 790753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the crap... < 1340312849 981883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it must be newly built < 1340312880 219308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is a building site on the map (not on street view) some way further down the road, so I guess that is possible < 1340313588 317434 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-169.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340313785 615886 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i have done something worth looking at now :D < 1340313807 952400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my question is, is this a valid turing machine to simulate the bouncing mario bros shell? http://pastebin.com/iu2atVC3 < 1340313864 373862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual its awful notations < 1340314175 925920 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1340314211 876548 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340314407 291364 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, do you have fans pushing air in or sucking air out? < 1340314408 383597 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1340314414 662620 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This case has so many fans. < 1340314424 339282 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them have ridiculous blue LEDs attached. < 1340314426 673844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this case. < 1340315062 134049 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a box with 24 fans. No LEDs though :-P < 1340315128 511510 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gya ha ha < 1340315164 317847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340315194 348908 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340315762 35203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340316900 278305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340317677 863693 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD9551F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340317704 212398 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD9551F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340317791 482587 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340317987 166112 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD9551F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340318128 61959 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340318167 673188 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340318230 479225 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340318232 796200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so nothing interesting here since last night? < 1340318236 885231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you next week then < 1340318352 161626 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dilemma is that I want something fine-tuned for parsing binary protocols, hence I can't really externalize the tokenizer." < 1340318361 841325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :externalize .... the tokenizer? < 1340318364 464837 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: omosiroi koto ha huhituyounntà < 1340318412 753388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: admit that you gave up after the ha? the thing after that looks like gibberish < 1340318444 412055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, à in japanese? can you even do that? < 1340318447 313672 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did you block Heliumint < 1340318452 643597 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1340318470 280505 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... a parser that uses a trie structure to determine the parse rules before the actual extraction. The problem of course is that it will not solve the problem with left recursion." < 1340318525 999751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should suggest that this guy read a book and/or get a clue? < 1340319273 783254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try Bastion < 1340319422 131980 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I use a really absurd romanisation scheme. < 1340319444 319668 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: �白�事��必�ん�。 in normal Japanese writing. < 1340319506 921421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "tà" indicates "ta" with a dakuten. i.e. � + ﾞ. < 1340319540 610198 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Omoshiroi koto wa fuhitsuyônda" in a more ordinary romanisation scheme. < 1340319613 965201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: why did you block Heliumint < 1340319624 647904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is right there on the page. < 1340319767 192302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :abusuruda < 1340319774 304018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i didn't know better i'd think you all speak japanese in addition to the other skills < 1340319790 768941 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mostly my fault. :P < 1340319861 394096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1340319873 112436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're doing is romanizing japanese for a finnish audience? < 1340319887 348568 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340319903 178332 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Romanizing Japanese by way of a strict encoding of kana orthography. < 1340319944 643029 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm contented with the word romanizing.. though i used to throw the word transliteration around a lot once < 1340319971 105745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there is any japanese word which would be clearly illegal phonetically in finnish
< 1340319986 281489 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1340320009 106455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, there's vowel harmony, but you can make compounds breaking that < 1340320013 349154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres one way to get a positive proof < 1340320019 434735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. < 1340320044 213092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if surely if all of the syllables are ok then combining them is ok < 1340320068 855470 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm. Trying to think of a weird edge case in Japanese. < 1340320071 434845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know im wrong on this one; < 1340320071 594466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: actually no, that's what vowel harmony thwarts < 1340320114 733224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, whether or not it looks clearly illegal possibly depends on the chosen romanization. < 1340320115 408881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot have a,o in the same non-compound word as ä,ö,y < 1340320131 947765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, add u the first group < 1340320141 985275 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zutsū" and "sùtuu" look rather different, for example. < 1340320155 401408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to the < 1340320181 115709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right z is not a finnish letter i think < 1340320379 899471 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do "wikipedia" and "uīkihe̊tèīa"... < 1340320424 176093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i hope the japanese at least pronounce it with a p < 1340320436 45936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340320486 499733 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's denoted as "he" with a handakuten, i.e. � + ﾟ, though. < 1340320566 653014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okiheia < 1340320596 436446 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise, "wi" is written as "u" with a small "i", ウィ, because there's no glyph for "wi" (... in modern usage, that anybody actually *knows*) < 1340320616 818289 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar for "di", ディ. < 1340320793 539736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340320793 737629 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340320793 737787 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340320811 263509 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340321117 99209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{g,a,n,d,l,f}\{t,h,e,g,r,a,y} = {n,d,l,f} ! < 1340321150 479163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's gray or grey though < 1340321344 312627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Grey" in my electronic version, at least. < 1340321479 72251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that gray/grey is a word upon which england(?) and usa have chosen to differ, and the signifigance of LOTR coming from jsdlkjdklsjdkls shit why don't i even know what to call that place < 1340321515 482101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :england, great britain, UK, < 1340321968 922703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Comparing wiki's phonology articles, we don't have a superset of their phonemes. Though it's not *terribly* far. (We're missing IPA /z/, /w/, /N/ and on the vowel side they've got /a/ in place of our /ɑ/.) < 1340322191 796728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/N/? < 1340322359 501222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvular_nasal < 1340322498 223000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do have /ŋ/ which I guess is not horribly far, but not the same thing. < 1340322513 916044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1340322631 734754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And regarding /z/, even though we don't have it natively, it's not as if we were especially unfamiliar with it, what with English and all. < 1340322888 459925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There might be a tendency to unvoice it to a [t͡s] kind of sound though.) < 1340323021 769603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly German influence? I think their 'z' letter is pronounced like that.) < 1340323232 102034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340323277 363544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/gjesteserie/panto/ < 1340323398 37980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no text to translate) < 1340324722 776049 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the above implication that England, Great Britain and The UK all refer to the same place. The American equivalent would be to claim such of Texas, Dixie and The US... < 1340324979 485209 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refer you to Shachaf's Confusion. < 1340325003 263809 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what, exactly, is the Isle of Man in relation to the United Kingdom. < 1340325250 154000 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: those are all different places < 1340325311 106172 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a self-governing crown dependency < 1340325313 476483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1340325328 178229 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1340325369 885650 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Under British law, the Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom. However, the UK takes care of its external and defence affairs, and retains paramount power to legislate for the island." < 1340325383 785743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a colony >_< < 1340325398 753308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meditates upon Spitsbergen, Svalbard, Norway and Kingdom of Norway
< 1340325412 161853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is the isle of man a british overseas territory < 1340325421 739776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is pretty much our name for colonies < 1340325425 856736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 svalbard < 1340325434 929794 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1340325447 67023 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jersey, guernsey, and isle of man have their own deal < 1340325467 682283 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/British_Overseas.png < 1340325494 460260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So what is the UK? < 1340325499 858982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I thought I knew all the answers. < 1340325510 475342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out the UK makes no sense at all. < 1340325519 604307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1340325524 497478 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK is a nation-state < 1340325543 163752 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I mean the UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. < 1340325546 532357 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right there in the name. < 1340325549 207315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Okay. What does it compromise? < 1340325553 213452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comprise < 1340325556 709356 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. < 1340325559 537703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hum wait Svalbard _is_ part of the kingdom. < 1340325569 264683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between somethin being part of the UK and something being governed by it? < 1340325587 802859 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know, but the UK as a soverign entity is allowed to make such an arbitrary distinction < 1340325588 595615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is actually part of the UK, the other is only governed by it? < 1340325598 866800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it has bearing on citizenship, for one < 1340325608 309463 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Uh, the term "nation state" means it's a state representing a nation. As in, a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, and/or history... < 1340325614 949012 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although Manx passport holders are British citizens, because the Isle of Man is not part of the European Union, people born on the Island without a parent or grandparent either born or resident for more than five consecutive years in the UK do not have the same rights as other British citizens with regard to employment and establishment in the EU" < 1340325617 595056 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By my count, the UK has 4 constituent nations. < 1340325628 438947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so maybe it's just a state < 1340325734 631035 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US have a similar thing with certain nearby islands... < 1340325789 931503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is a "sovereign state" apparently < 1340325803 962834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this means england is not a nation-state, it is a nation and a country that is part of the UK sovereign state < 1340325806 655981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is england itself a state < 1340325830 593862 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you're using the word "state" < 1340325848 224869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i believe there are also certain overseas territories that the royal family actually *own*, through the crown < 1340325849 692010 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the constituent states of the United States are, in most all senses of the term, at least de jure... < 1340325863 973036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US has incorporated unorganized territories, unincorporated organized territories, and unincorporated unorganized territories < 1340325864 225648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do the royals own Ireland? < 1340325868 914558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used to have the fourth one too < 1340325871 654407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legal statuses are confusing as hell with the UK. < 1340325903 765618 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: i believe there are also certain overseas territories that the royal family actually *own*, through the crown < 1340325935 902022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been over this; Crown ownership only represents ownership by the regent in the most abstract way. < 1340325946 621236 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all practical senses it's state ownership. < 1340325985 604000 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there is a piece of land on the border between Egypt and Sudan which is claimed by neither country? < 1340325986 465086 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like how, in theory, the Queen exercises near-ultimate power, but in practice the Queen only has enough power to be on TV and such. < 1340325988 605545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil < 1340326028 497742 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't think she even has power over that; < 1340326036 675032 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's the Queen, she can't not appear on TV. < 1340326048 951212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know that. < 1340326052 736614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But the whole point of this is technicalities. < 1340326063 177866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I knew. < 1340326078 726725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure it's true as a technicality, considering all that corporation sole stuff. < 1340326082 661815 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In 1999, Queen Elizabeth II, acting on the advice of the government, refused to signify her consent to the Military Action Against Iraq (Parliamentary Approval) Bill, which sought to transfer from the monarch to Parliament the power to authorise military strikes against Iraq." < 1340326088 699419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i knew, probably because someone here mentioned it < 1340326145 107498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is a bit of territory which lebanon and syria both agree is part of lebanon, but israel considers to be part of syria < 1340326194 606327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the story behind that? < 1340326199 83124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that quote is weird < 1340326202 976659 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_farms < 1340326268 218292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's occupied by israel, but israel withdrew from occupied territories in lebanon, therefore they consider it to be part of syria's golan heights < 1340326311 948962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised that I've never actually heard of any of Israel's territory being occupied by anyone else, except when it was previously disputed. < 1340326337 264237 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... seems that should happen as much as the other way round. < 1340326365 910507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because israel had a tiny amount of territory to begin with < 1340326401 652985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they started out with some large section of what was formerly British Palestine. < 1340326448 199259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "to begin with" i mean after the war of independence < 1340326506 809001 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait there was a war of independence too?? < 1340326512 73880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War < 1340326527 512277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using an operational definition of "state" here < 1340326543 123390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fact that the UN says you're a state is not very relevant < 1340326553 632047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that you control some territory and provide state-like services within it is more relevant < 1340326579 942155 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.184 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340326583 410870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ability of the israeli government to do that was not established until the end of the 1948 war < 1340326699 349830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/01482419410/cbs-mocks-its-own-failed-copyright-lawsuit-sarcastically-announcing-new-completely-original-show-dancing-stars.shtml < 1340326700 834252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1340326740 335496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we’re sure nobody will have any problem with this title or our upcoming half-hour comedy for primetime, POSTMODERN FAMILY." < 1340326743 489533 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would watch that < 1340326755 876697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would watch the shit out of that. < 1340326765 491277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention Dancing on the Stars. < 1340326766 888614 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would watch it until my TV literally took a shit in my room < 1340326786 991597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your tv a dog < 1340326806 321772 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to check < 1340326815 828131 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put cat in front of it < 1340326835 936939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try throwing a bone < 1340326841 344709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your tv runs towards it and picks it up it is probably a dog < 1340326852 353646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :high definition dog < 1340326863 552533 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: at what point do you consider the territory "occupied"? if there's active fighting and the front moves into the previous borders of your country, is that occupation < 1340326870 497933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with UltraSmell(R) Technology < 1340326871 198235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it only count after a ceasefire of some length < 1340326876 21331 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1340326878 248022 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES THIS IS DOG < 1340326881 334026 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN I HELP YOU < 1340326896 912430 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, when the Wikipedia article calls it 'occupied'. < 1340326897 72045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: CAN YOU SNIFF THIS BAG OF SUSPECTED DORITOS < 1340326904 723057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: gimme 2 minutes then < 1340326909 217725 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHO WAS PHONE? < 1340326914 947541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1340326916 20968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of you < 1340326919 440598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Phantom_Hoover < 1340326921 996887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can keep talking < 1340326928 120621 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott smash < 1340326933 882885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: D8 < 1340326938 858476 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to keep talking then i took an arrow to the knee < 1340326944 143334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do what i do because i must < 1340326951 928669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your right to talk has how been revoked < 1340326956 442257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry it was the only awful meme that came to mind) < 1340326962 553152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not accept apologies < 1340326963 630488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only blood < 1340326965 183256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340326978 164928 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should've said 'y u no let kmc talk' < 1340326984 156828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you revoked my right to speek < 1340326987 480449 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :said 'u mad bro' < 1340327000 167903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i mad :( < 1340327006 152353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't understand, could you copy-paste that text into a bad drawing please and upload it to imgur < 1340327009 787494 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327014 562640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327024 887246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340327028 144188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1340327031 25927 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1340327036 798584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1340327037 880203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1340327039 806895 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1340327042 606041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1340327046 61338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1340327050 394672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327054 73841 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327055 438606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1340327060 524528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Phantom_Hoover had an extra space < 1340327062 646800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BEWARE OF THE EVIL TRAILING SPACE BUG < 1340327074 104003 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327076 517869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1340327127 254689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf completamente loco < 1340327130 320787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1340327168 662417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327172 158416 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327176 845282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1340327179 632307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327180 324758 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1340327180 484350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327187 213199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327196 719633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we might be killing HackEgo < 1340327196 879670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn < 1340327201 234841 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ hexham \ ievan \ intercal \ internationale \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lens \ lifthrasiir \ mad \ misspellings of croissant \ monad \ monads \ monoid < 1340327202 188762 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/ .*//' | tr A-Z a-z) \ info=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/[^ ]* //') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." \ < 1340327203 489354 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327203 712394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1340327204 978342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1340327206 319332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1340327208 800976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems something is wrong < 1340327209 205583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1340327214 421824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try adding it again < 1340327280 335475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf completamente loco < 1340327284 184520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1340327291 709916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327294 88670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327309 611693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf2 < 1340327311 882906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf2? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1340327354 424213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/shachaf wisdom/shachaf < 1340327356 853802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327362 69543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340327382 110660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file wisdom/shachaf < 1340327385 172323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachaf: symbolic link to `/dev/null' < 1340327406 528966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1340327413 679427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/shachaf < 1340327416 277976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340327434 706599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fairly easy to fix that bug in `learn but i cba < 1340327468 509815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug, surely that doesn't make it /dev/null < 1340327496 430074 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fake british friend says that crown dependencies are more like personal union, and so aren't bound by the uk parliament < 1340327508 603392 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except wikipedia says parliament occasionally passes laws that intend to apply to mann and the channel islands < 1340327517 80879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how this works really < 1340327531 875789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :law (especially british law) seems nice and formalized but really it's all made up as you go < 1340327538 951506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf sprø som selleri < 1340327539 585718 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait really < 1340327541 910628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1340327546 949746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1340327547 361819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the impression you get of british law < 1340327549 935649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1340327559 100582 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340327563 612266 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwritten constitution and all < 1340327577 66548 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has no written constitution and is very interpretative < 1340327586 726731 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some law is made up more than others... < 1340327608 522358 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British law is probably the most blatantly so of any modern nation. < 1340327627 44596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the odd part is that you think it seems nice and formalised < 1340327638 658966 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :law here is completely made up < 1340327645 159358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems better than US law, where we spend a long time worrying about what some slaveowning aristocrats 220 years ago intended < 1340327645 837717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly our government is good at printing impressively attractive forms that make you think they have an awful lot of iron-clad rules behind them < 1340327649 166443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make it up in a lab with chemicals < 1340327670 834167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whenever the supreme court wants to invent a new civil right (or take one away), they have to come up with a ridiculous justification for why it was intended all along < 1340327688 135337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: unfortunately the result is that we don't have any credible arguments that the government can't legally violate our rights :P < 1340327703 172463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that having one necessarily helps < 1340327719 986203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH the government don't have any credible arguments that they *can* legally violate our rights. < 1340327744 615607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340327750 939676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is presumptuous of me to say which one is "better" < 1340327792 976030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the difference relates to the fact that USA is a much newer country with a very strong origin myth < 1340327821 76677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do they have any credible arguments that they can do anything by that definition? < 1340327831 969870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know jesus guided the writing of the constitution and this is why USA #1 forever < 1340327864 611512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should employ some militant Tea Partiers to come and live in the UK so the government has some kind of vaguely credible thing to be afraid about. < 1340327875 268594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo credible < 1340327896 163860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, the guns are credible. < 1340327916 438016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see at least one flaw in this plan. < 1340327927 44660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to hearing about how david cameron is an atheist muslim terrorist from kenya who was born in a terrorist training camp in pakistan < 1340327938 838441 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty likely < 1340327944 566112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, have you seen his birth certificate? < 1340327947 342363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS HE HIDING < 1340327960 861527 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340327974 860164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think if Cameron wasn't British he'd have to kill himself. < 1340328031 248003 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how it works < 1340328036 318141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think to find a nation with a stronger origin myth you have to go back Romulus. < 1340328049 496488 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he wasn't British I would be very curious as to who is. < 1340328067 243372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'At the core of this doctrine was the notion that the crown itself had personhood and as a legal entity is identical to the state of Hungary. It is superior to the ruling monarch, who rules "in the name of the crown".' < 1340328068 875561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well I mean wouldn't you rather Cameron *wasn't* British. < 1340328082 311557 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hungary#Holiness_doctrine < 1340328093 443668 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, his britishness is an integral part of his terribleness < 1340328100 236063 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't be as fun to hate if he wasn't < 1340328373 716101 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340328459 600856 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust freeze (((((((((()*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1 < 1340328619 51756 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340328637 600046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: That won't work :P < 1340328651 697200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Macros aren't expanded; there's no way to cause exponential blowup. < 1340328653 656792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just time out. < 1340328655 269720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or lose. < 1340328666 676340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm. < 1340328674 911721 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't timed out yet. < 1340328680 50614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could freeze the thing up, but I don't think the interpreter is susceptible to it... < 1340328687 814571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know lance handled it correctly... so I blame fizzie. < 1340328693 647692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: I think EgoBot has a global timeout on everything, though. < 1340328719 203630 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too, but apparently not short enough. < 1340328753 340629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo hi < 1340328755 80403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340328760 614803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's... reassuring. < 1340328799 361293 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'm not using "!perl fork() while fork()". < 1340328848 120843 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That freezes codu entirely. < 1340328944 404965 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, why is bfjoust still running after all this time? < 1340329124 59493 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340329137 302767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340329278 822739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust isitreally? < < 1340329301 95753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: don't do that :P < 1340329307 957314 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340329325 466454 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340329327 895752 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340329344 278668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects the timeout is on program cycles and not the ()* construct
< 1340329398 362329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that bug is my responsibility so... < 1340329427 527091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor http://www.filedropper.com/newbfjousttar and ask about the bug in gearlance < 1340329427 726160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340329436 874673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : That freezes codu entirely. < 1340329439 572191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. < 1340329444 456102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot uses UMLBox. < 1340329464 79597 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did freeze codu a while back using that. < 1340329475 48832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, really? < 1340329476 588241 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl fork() while fork() < 1340329477 245509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340329480 857851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a serious bug in UMLBox, then. < 1340329488 859578 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also froze all other websites running or Gregor's box. < 1340329526 748224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the bug uncovered was in fact bad timing when I was introducing bugs to fuck up Codu on my own the other day ;) < 1340329553 206598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds implausible to me... UML shouldn't be forkbombable like that. < 1340329558 424799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with EgoBot's ulimits. < 1340329565 966808 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... so that was it. < 1340329578 99862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Link me to your local *lance copy >_> < 1340329579 885950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :git.zem.fi is down. < 1340329585 234484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless bfjoust has not returned < 1340329611 228000 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I recall, EgoBot just remains silent if the time limit is reached. < 1340329640 347913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would not have been reached on the call i made afterwards < 1340329648 691451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust working? < < 1340329657 158045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340329657 988092 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340329660 573853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know lance handled it correctly... so I blame fizzie. <-- perhaps there's a bug when the "expanded" content is empty? < 1340329660 702482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source < 1340329661 951760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!come on < 1340329664 671419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, it is in fact running that other bfjoust 8-D < 1340329671 714697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, it's () that would cause any such bug. < 1340329676 393871 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR-E-VER < 1340329678 993829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can patch up *lance for it in a jiffy. < 1340329700 845366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly ()*anything should never be a timeout as you might expect, but instead be simply skipped. < 1340329703 265636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember to patch the new version < 1340329709 802453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ ought to be up to date. < 1340329713 368884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... that's kind of a pain. < 1340329717 41585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you have to handle the nesting. < 1340329723 231182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you need is a recursive expands_to_empty function. < 1340329730 769385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is easy to define but a pain to use. < 1340329737 428057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I won't fix it, because it'd be ugly. fizzie can. < 1340329767 147338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you already installed the new version that fast? < 1340329791 451520 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340329793 425205 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done nothing. < 1340329796 925303 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm super-tired X-D < 1340329809 100161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not up to date < 1340329810 364936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340329824 707605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you got out of china yet? with all your body parts? < 1340329829 872832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking to elliott X_X < 1340329834 332504 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Days ago. < 1340329842 452358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340329892 260250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1340329919 165632 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: codu is down < 1340329929 998463 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The forkbomb worked < 1340329960 294413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks wikipedia should have a different color for links that go to disambiguation and misspelled redirect pages
< 1340329960 583344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh i thought you were telling him it was OK to patch the version of gearlance found at http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ , which would cause it to conflict with the version in the tarball i just gave you < 1340329960 583440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's irrelevant if codu is down :P < 1340329961 626323 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340329968 155455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy_: hi < 1340329973 982958 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340329991 644337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Gregor IRCs through codu. < 1340329991 644453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just broke his IRC client. < 1340330007 328961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds DB-intensive < 1340330007 576658 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's incentive to fix it, right? < 1340330007 849878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually he ran the forkbomb himself XD < 1340330018 527781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then... Gregor did :P < 1340330021 440559 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : could someone please write in this channel an IRP implementation of a universal Turing machine? < 1340330038 486195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IRP may be in fancy-L ;) < 1340330042 269158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it already have a different color if the page doesn't _exist_ < 1340330073 504938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1340330082 660276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit EgoBot is still using Plash, isn't it X_X < 1340330098 425236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha is it really < 1340330103 874745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you lagged to hell < 1340330114 665943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1340330114 666271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a much simpler check than the others, I think < 1340330132 464450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do i know. i just see people are _still_ making new links to [[Issac Newton]]. < 1340330143 342596 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340330212 373127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340330212 406862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Issac+Newton&namespace=0 < 1340330212 414329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yw. hth. < 1340330213 897988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i already did that, and fixed most of them < 1340330219 504511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :P < 1340330229 93806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think there might be a bot that finds links to redirects from misspellings? < 1340330322 232916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple old ones i haven't fixed because i haven't been able to check if the misspelling is in the actual source referenced < 1340330326 690834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i just after that fixed a lot of "pentathalon"s :P < 1340330327 294317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should buy the comics < 1340330327 294367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in theory < 1340330347 757384 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-91.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340330347 862624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will buy them if they are cheap < 1340330391 795480 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340330406 148286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one answered my question on the talk page, anyway < 1340330944 247799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340330944 759132 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1340331249 754043 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331251 169931 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331251 568502 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1340331253 870298 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331254 173655 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1340331254 385677 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331254 827580 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331305 905008 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331328 945814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup: smooth < 1340331349 754688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340331401 292211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, probably time to switch EgoBot over to UMLBox... < 1340331403 295153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously thought I had done that, like, ages ago X_X < 1340331851 823879 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340332383 912912 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll enjoy what I just did to blognomic. < 1340332445 752678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What happened? < 1340332467 927514 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I replaced the word 'Dynasty' with 'Machine'. BlogNomic is now in the Third Machine of scshunt. < 1340332474 130622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1340332575 350029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can you explain henri bouchard to me < 1340332596 175777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, did I do the /dev/null thing? < 1340332601 512334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was clever of me! < 1340332613 421748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clev/null < 1340332649 445945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can you come up with some plan to win BlogNomic that lets me win without doing anything so that I can start a good dynasty? < 1340332664 774284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are also permitted to do so. < 1340332678 86261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hm/whydidn'tirssibreakthat < 1340332692 496981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it doesn't count it as a command if it contains a / < 1340332951 615284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i don't see where you actually did that < 1340332959 569427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340332966 235018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replaced it in the core rules as well as dynastic by mistake or something? < 1340333070 812806 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340333082 851290 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither of the other two things though < 1340333111 604289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other what < 1340333126 732211 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two requests < 1340333196 883720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340333200 523687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm upset < 1340334450 945804 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340334519 679013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340335124 385210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340335179 746326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I thought about it I can know, you can make a sum of categories, you can make a product of categories, and a monad or comonad on one of them you make the sum of monads and product of monads too, etc < 1340335699 651041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing is that it seems that you cannot actually make sum of categories and product of categories with the Category class in Haskell. < 1340336626 107408 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340337084 30994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know of multiplexing X forwarders, sort-of like tmux but with X rather than terminals? < 1340337104 172652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nope < 1340337301 584867 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To the best of my knowledge, none exists < 1340337305 908183 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've considered writing one < 1340337312 231616 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a lot of tricksiness < 1340337322 59119 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since IDs can change < 1340337325 447826 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and resources are stored server-side < 1340337330 848533 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the muxer would have to retain copies < 1340337334 100145 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and restablish them server-side < 1340337337 113315 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340337362 73623 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd basically need to write a server < 1340337370 72770 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except its display backend is also X < 1340337390 755250 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and GL wouldn't work unless you implemented software emulation on the muxer) < 1340337608 600552 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see blognomic < 1340338019 418273 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340339560 943396 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be trivial with Wayland, as far as I know. < 1340339686 908950 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340339694 318275 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean local muxing? < 1340339699 230606 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local muxing might work. < 1340339712 216469 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not remote, since Wayland has no forwarding < 1340339764 831538 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant local. Though remote would work if you implemented your own forwarding protocol. < 1340339799 172882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＴＲＩＶＩＡＬ < 1340339817 647882 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, -lx264 < 1340339818 699314 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340340149 972003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many things are banned in the Free Land of Not a pipe? Some of them are: * Searching housing units is banned. * Assisted suicide is banned. * Assisted abortion is mostly banned. * Hunting is mostly banned. * Surveillance cameras are banned in public areas. * Secret police are banned. * Elite police are banned. * Monopoly is banned. * Smoking in public is banned. * It is prohibited for someone who is dead to act as alive. < 1340340496 367602 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I own park place and boardwalk? < 1340340513 444726 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: remote Wayland would largely defeat the point < 1340340564 21652 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It'd still be a much less shitty setup. < 1340340606 802787 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apps currently try to treat X as a framebuffer muxer, setting up forwarding on top of an *actual* framebuffer muxer rather than a hacked-up one would work at least a bit better. < 1340340639 588692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are also many things which are permitted: * Free speech is permitted without restriction. * Hate speech is permitted. * Discrimination is mostly permitted. * Cannibalism is permitted. * Voting is permitted at any age. * Writing and publishing whatever book you want is permitted. * Most other things are also permitted. < 1340340883 998744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kasparov once played chess against a team of fifty thousand people. < 1340341116 42963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The team of fifty thousand people lost. < 1340341881 268488 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of us is as dumb as all o fus < 1340341951 915580 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340342254 829676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they vote on moves? what was the procedure? < 1340343722 900417 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be in my "hunt for a language" phase < 1340343749 329747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have moved from looking at Clojure to looking at ... not sure which of SML or OCaml I should look at, there seems to be more OCaml'ers on Reddit < 1340343754 763983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am now doing a Try OCaml thing < 1340343763 290744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World. < 1340343845 623424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ See/See / < 1340343869 451393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: of course by "50k people" it was actually "far less people who were good at chess arguing on an internet forum and then getting everyone else to vote for that" < 1340343924 276194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Black finally secured the opportunity to castle but refused to be so defensive. This move was a novelty by the World Team, i.e. a move which had never before been played in a recorded game. Krush discovered and analyzed the move, and enlisted Paehtz to recommend it as well, to give it a better chance of winning the vote. Their combined advocacy, plus much discussion on the bulletin board, was enough to gain it 53% of the vote. After this move, < 1340343924 474863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSN requested that the four official analysts not coordinate with each other, perhaps to ensure a greater variety of recommendations. The analysts worked in isolation from each other thereafter.[5]]] < 1340343925 378472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1340344122 460602 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kasparov-18.jpg < 1340344124 349367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the joystick < 1340344137 807786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah i actually spent most of the time playing TIE Fighter" < 1340344142 299187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's how you play chess < 1340344229 535647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies, n. "You wont get better error messages than with ghc and ghci." < 1340344230 823077 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He actually uses a combat emulator to decide his moves. < 1340344256 303724 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, chess actually comes out of ancient combat rituals. Therefore, what is best in battle directly corresponds to what is best in chess. < 1340344331 490822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Those who complained were not overstating Krush's influence; her recommendations were selected every single move from the 10th to the 50th." < 1340344340 492023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. etc. < 1340344437 326372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was The World allowed to use computer chess programs? < 1340344442 125101 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opening books, etc < 1340344512 249343 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340344539 448469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the opening of the article? It would be exceedingly difficult to stop an open web poll doing anything. < 1340344552 708770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So any such rules would be irrelevant, really. < 1340344565 633013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt computer chess programs are any good when they only get to take some of the moves. < 1340344586 121497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This move was posted by United States Senior Master and Life Master Brian McCarthy, one of the most prolific contributors to the World Team forum. He found the move working with his Bookup database and the integrated computer program Zarkov." -- so it was done. < 1340344595 141262 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340344635 996296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm looking at Mercury. < 1340344637 658355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yipee. < 1340344695 591800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340344904 338366 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340344933 534724 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340345440 592897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask what it is with "Objective" being added to language names to indicate OO, but then saw the obvious < 1340345483 112831 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Objective C as opposed to subjective C, of course. < 1340345494 710005 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there examples other than C and C++? < 1340345508 452749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Objective Caml < 1340345511 575618 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1340345521 92143 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but almost nobody expands that acronym and almost nobody uses the object system ;) < 1340345553 465874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides apparently having more of a community, is there any reason to go OCaml over SML? < 1340345569 169955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm currently looking at OCaml more because of the community than anything else < 1340345572 635607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mpi-sws.org/~rossberg/sml-vs-ocaml.html < 1340345574 485445 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1340345574 953072 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adam.chlipala.net/mlcomp/ < 1340345590 887845 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sml isn't worth anything except learning why haskell is better < 1340345606 709064 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably has high value all its own. < 1340345616 444342 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SML syntax is a bit nicer i think < 1340345623 252374 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a wider variety of implementations < 1340345633 657354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are not really big points in favor < 1340345639 414927 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml is used by real companies doing real things < 1340345648 259543 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't say much, anyways: Haskell's nearly a monoculture by now. < 1340345653 744366 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even more than Haskell < 1340345664 299195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SML is totally used for, uh, things! < 1340345687 688852 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which is weird < 1340345709 600032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comparison is hard to make because i think ocaml users are less evangelical < 1340345760 230465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether he should do the ICFP contest.
< 1340345770 826379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That article gets less and less Wikipedia-y as it goes on. "Here then is a six-man ending; www.shredderchess.com has a tablebase for all these endings available; after 55.Qxb4 the tablebase shows White can win in 82 moves!" < 1340345810 584644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCaml is a very ugly language. < 1340345815 164864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SML is less so. < 1340345825 392740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340345829 237670 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml is ugly, and i don't just mean syntax < 1340345829 657375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not talking about syntax here.) < 1340345832 481015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snap. < 1340345837 27239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax is plenty ugly too ;P < 1340345847 158001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually quite like OCaml's syntax. < 1340345889 581315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did you just break agora < 1340345891 533361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i really like about ocaml (the implementation) is that it's factored into a thing which produces bytecode, a bytecode interpreter written in C, and a bytecode to native code compiler < 1340345896 647862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& also: should i sleep < 1340345913 170558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Guess what #haskell is doing! < 1340345923 160048 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even though the compiler is self-hosting, you can get it running on a new platform just by compiling the interpreter (a C program) and then running pre-compiled bytecodes for the compiler < 1340345947 186272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the practical difference between that and generating portable C? < 1340345956 863251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340345982 848331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe none < 1340345986 544212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340346009 933127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory GHC can do something like this with the unregisterized C backend < 1340346017 186481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it is an unmitigated clusterfuck < 1340346029 62490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat crudded out on me < 1340346031 555737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C produced by the unreg'd C backend is not portable C at all < 1340346032 600385 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1340346036 200877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to assumptions made while compiling, or something like that, if I remember correctly? < 1340346057 372886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand these same problems might apply to the bytecode approach. < 1340346060 221502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you build GHC, it hardcodes a bunch of struct sizes and offsets and the like for the target platform < 1340346067 573510 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GHC was never really designed to be built as a cross compiler < 1340346074 29092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ugly about OCaml? < 1340346088 348783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the lack of typeclasses (and I heard modules are sort of better, but is that just SML?) < 1340346092 861597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data constructor arguments aren't curried < 1340346106 5044 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality is a single baked-in special case typeclass-like thing < 1340346109 49420 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't define your own < 1340346115 757875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So I think the issue is "GHC was never designed to built as a cross compiler", not so much the particular approach they didn't take while not designing it. :-) < 1340346117 775146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modules aren't a replacement for typeclasses, or vice versa < 1340346126 16368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some problems can be solved with either feature < 1340346128 410566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :others can't really < 1340346153 148311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are data constructors functions at all? < 1340346162 25251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are. < 1340346162 223634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they functions that take a tuple, or what? < 1340346171 480159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're talking about OCaml. < 1340346178 298475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like functions that take a tuple. there might be additional restrictions < 1340346204 502334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340346207 740284 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc printf formatting is also a special baked in thing < 1340346209 969480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: Guess what #haskell is doing! < 1340346216 883118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it "explaining" monads? < 1340346236 812150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I was thinking along the lines of "annoying me", but that too. < 1340346241 505328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah ocaml's pritnf stuff is weird < 1340346248 784535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale is so hlepflu. :-( < 1340346255 977464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string literal can be overloaded to a "printf" value when it is the second argument of printf < 1340346266 224591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this breaks substitution etc. < 1340346270 730193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically printf is a macro that takes a string literal < 1340346284 293500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an inherently bad way to do things but ocaml's execution of it is gross < 1340346286 447982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also OCaml has extensible sum types... wait, no, it has a *single* extensible sum type, named exn and usually used for exceptions < 1340346289 453107 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1340346309 627626 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh OCaml has better support for adding your own macro-like stuff than pretty much any non-Lisp i know of < 1340346326 380352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the camlp stuff is interesting < 1340346331 756840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly better than TH < 1340346335 470039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it wasn't attached to ocaml < 1340346338 547793 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah camlp4 lets you modify the concrete syntax of the language < 1340346343 944883 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write true syntactic extensions < 1340346356 495760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can define your own totally alternate syntax < 1340346363 746544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-camlp4/manual007.html < 1340346379 893698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you think the value restriction counts as "ugly"? < 1340346414 271113 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, i forgot another major blemish: addition on ints is + but addition on floats is +. < 1340346426 18103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i forget what that is < 1340346431 881443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's how they stop unsafeCoerce from references right < 1340346487 988045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because they don't have type-class overloading < 1340346490 545112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was wrong before < 1340346499 670463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml doesn't have the fake typeclass for equality, that's SML < 1340346513 123463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ocaml you can use the equals operator on any type, including say functions < 1340346520 796607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the type isn't comparable, it's a run-time exception < 1340346541 560965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do structural equality? < 1340346579 100246 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably? < 1340346588 353077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't override it, afaik < 1340346605 472810 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not a big fan of typeclasses in Haskell < 1340346610 432814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think these alternatives are worse < 1340346653 70697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeclasses are nice when you have a single definitive fundamental implementaion. < 1340346655 486225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my view is more that, typeclasses are a good feature, but people (especially beginners) go way overboard defining new typeclasses and instances < 1340346671 1363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typeclasses aren't a *great* feature; there is room for improvement < 1340346680 837776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclasses are one of the worst features I kno wof and cause an infinite multitude of problems... but they also seem to be necessary < 1340346687 131185 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340346703 948618 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, define "necessary" < 1340346709 580284 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get by with the SML and OCaml solutions too < 1340346709 858967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants to use a different operator for integers and floats, nobody wants to recode Map for every type < 1340346720 705004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I seriously mostly looking at other languages because of Haskell's records situation? < 1340346724 844681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Map would not be so bad < 1340346728 43886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have < 1340346733 66581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty :: Ordering a -> Map a < 1340346736 741790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1340346745 596337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340346746 266262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Ordering a = Ordering (a -> a -> Thingy) < 1340346747 385922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's thingy < 1340346748 320700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare < 1340346749 405065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Ordering < 1340346751 745193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Ordering a = Ordering (a -> a -> Ordering) < 1340346752 642389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops) < 1340346753 242812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unions are a bit of a problem. < 1340346758 72303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1340346758 921622 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you union two maps constructed with different ordering functions, you're gonna have a bad time < 1340346760 865424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be slow < 1340346764 432907 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but serves you right, or something < 1340346764 827201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you actually want: < 1340346768 921855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty :: (ord :: Ordering a) -> Map ord a < 1340346772 704734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you run into fun issues < 1340346774 28531 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1340346777 104893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can't get two Maps with the same ordering to unify < 1340346777 747409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fissues < 1340346782 340424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1340346786 975119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types cat < 1340346808 789339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system is invariably incredibly inadequate for the task it is set, until you increase its power such that it becomes tangled up in its own mechanisms and stops working for anything < 1340346814 400435 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Ordering a = Ordering (a -> a -> Ordering a) < 1340346817 189935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope the latter is due to our inexperience, rather than fundamental < 1340346817 845411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invent a use for this type, now < 1340346818 974089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So Monads are also a maybe something? < 1340346820 122061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz demands it < 1340346829 154940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a variadic function < 1340346835 18552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a covariant functor < 1340346836 395971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1340346843 569193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a description, not a use. < 1340346846 82178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340346846 963792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :contavariant < 1340346848 943964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contravariant < 1340346854 164079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it is due to inexperience, because people who don't know Haskell say the same thing about Java < 1340346875 62400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well I am 90% certain that, say, Agda is not The Way < 1340346891 101763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda is certainly The Way to somewhere. < 1340346892 154693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I could not write an Agda program right now if you told me to but I understand how it works on a basic level < 1340346895 546519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can read a lot of the stdlib code < 1340346897 33985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the proofs < 1340346900 788150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm glad there are people who are going down it! < 1340346911 116406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apart from the proofs" < 1340346911 540819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that every dependent type system seems to be so much more awkward than the simpler ones < 1340346912 508623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GET IT < 1340346929 805986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram 2 sounds like it'd be better if McBride actually worked on it < 1340346938 586646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i agree with him about totality < 1340346957 46032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think this field is very new and we can't say it's reached the best possible solution < 1340346958 788662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's McBride's opinion about totality? < 1340347002 10601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Haskell and ML type systems are very new < 1340347012 408770 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you're talking about a time when more than 5 people use them < 1340347034 108208 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programming itself is very new ;P < 1340347061 400187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/conor.mcbride/pub/Totality.pdf < 1340347075 738751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I agree that our languages should be total < 1340347083 495885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this does not impede their turing-completeness < 1340347104 889036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1340347105 647704 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have a partiality monad? < 1340347119 649422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I see something about optionally being able to mark functions as total? < 1340347124 899611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: more or less, yes -- more directly, a potentially non-terminating computation is just codata < 1340347137 423125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata Possibly a = Definitely a | WaitForIt (Possibly a) < 1340347138 650905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or non-totality being mentioned in the type system < 1340347138 849337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1340347148 277508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can get your runtime system to evaluate these just fine < 1340347155 397333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the RTS executes the IO value for Haskell < 1340347164 792783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he seriously redraw xkcd 386 on a whiteboard just to take a photo of it < 1340347171 319602 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide if that's wonderful or pathetic < 1340347175 807006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conor mcbride can do whatever the fuck he wants < 1340347184 564693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: -- indeed, the top-level value of your program should probably be something that can do both IO and partial computations < 1340347194 382613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you have a nice algebraic effect system, then these can be defined independently! < 1340347222 738170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are of course total functions that you have to represent as possibly non-terminating for obvious reasons < 1340347229 884811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will this thing explain what codata is? < 1340347241 562445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: most directly and perhaps most meaningfully, an interpreter of the language itself < 1340347253 773475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but I don't mind that < 1340347258 70338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: especially since you can have unsafePerformPartial < 1340347263 238438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the standard caveats < 1340347270 522448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, but codata is simple < 1340347286 257589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: basically < 1340347289 230251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "data" is finite < 1340347294 90977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, < 1340347296 765392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data [a] = [] | a : [a] < 1340347299 612273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is data, were haskell strict < 1340347303 332560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the strictness being important) < 1340347315 922702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: with *codata*, you don't have to guarantee you can evaluate it all in finite time < 1340347324 322126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: all you have to do is guarantee that you can peel off *one constructor* in finite time < 1340347325 213808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1340347330 77237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data [a] = [] | a : [a] < 1340347333 180914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a valid piece of codata < 1340347336 645171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 : 2 : 3 : 4 : ... < 1340347337 703306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1340347338 250973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined < 1340347338 783725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not < 1340347344 213619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't peel a (:) or [] off it in finite time < 1340347352 948118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, you can always examine codata further < 1340347356 285594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not necessarily have any end < 1340347359 671618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you have < 1340347364 727270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata Sometime a = Now a | Later (Sometime a) < 1340347365 990404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can have < 1340347376 9111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later (Later (Later (... < 1340347377 59584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never ends < 1340347377 258646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1340347379 947230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later (Later (Now 3)) < 1340347382 402086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lazy list based on network operations would NOT be codata, correct? < 1340347383 662687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't have < 1340347384 416887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined < 1340347384 803180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1340347385 866163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later undefined < 1340347388 855991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: indeed not < 1340347396 637428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Haskell makes everything into codata < 1340347400 644708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make it into data by using ! < 1340347402 862814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a mistake < 1340347407 465501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "lazy lists" are a bad idea < 1340347414 887212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is either lists-the-data, or colists-the-codata < 1340347418 251356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, possibly, streams-the-codata < 1340347423 860532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(streams being codata Stream a = Cons a (Stream a)) < 1340347431 974033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact colists are probably rare compared to lists and streams) < 1340347708 641052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made the idea for Ibtlfmm which you can have two maps or sets of the same type but different ordering, but you cannot union them because these maps are of different types even though their contents are the same. I think this is the way they should be done < 1340347837 547190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Objective C is really a strict superset of C, unlike C++ which differs a bit. < 1340347928 607140 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340347947 65335 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tragic how many parts of C++ got fucked over thanks to needing C compatibility, and then they threw out the latter anyway over some dumb shit < 1340347983 735885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is how the "auto" keyword is no longer backwards-compatible. < 1340347987 331236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaks all my programs. :-( < 1340347996 904031 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... Use auto in C? < 1340348007 182665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When I want an automatic variable, sure! < 1340348010 345619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any point to the auto kw in C? < 1340348015 886051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1340348023 159942 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia. < 1340348027 716041 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistency is a point, i suppose < 1340348040 10551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of surprising that Algol 68 came before C. < 1340348052 13137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of surprising that Algol 68 came before Go. < 1340348073 194867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that article. < 1340348088 536139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's the first article I ever read about Algol 68. < 1340348113 680393 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you all think of Rust? < 1340348145 69163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn OCaml or Clojure? < 1340348145 782465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's what's for dinner" < 1340348150 123684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust looks pretty neat. < 1340348151 304494 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1340348166 795548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Rust seems cool < 1340348177 267865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Rust any further along these days? < 1340348181 167922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something actually usable? < 1340348188 125665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants Rust
< 1340348190 628896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like an informed, clever attempt to improve on C in C's niche < 1340348206 941966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's GCed. < 1340348209 26224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the BLISS programming language? It has some ideas which I think are some better than C. So we should have something which combines features of BLISS, C, and LLVM. < 1340348247 974148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Go seems like an attempt to simplify Java further and then make the syntax weird enough that C programmers won't feel it's a slight to their e-penises < 1340348276 31596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Go has that thing where it has language-defined generics but no way for users to define them?/ < 1340348279 11292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fine way to help society < 1340348284 63897 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much to interest me < 1340348312 380643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things I've seen relating to Rust have made me think "oh, that's neat". < 1340348315 41209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i thought it wasn't so much GC as reference counting + uniqueness types < 1340348318 44593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has all of these < 1340348318 816919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's been slides and such. < 1340348346 945262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, Rust has a special GC... part... thingy... < 1340348352 448080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, it's an optional GC with some of those other things, yes. < 1340348364 233437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as in, mutable, immutable, GC, but then GC got merged in with mutable or separated out? < 1340348500 206970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once considered writing something in Rust but I saw how volatile it was. < 1340348551 923397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, aiui, it's not there yet < 1340348556 121368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six possible coercions, termed "deproceduring", "dereferencing", "uniting", "widening", "rowing" and "voiding" < 1340348563 560514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Algol 68, not Rust.) < 1340348612 196884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voiding while rowing considered harmful < 1340348694 735463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Rust have a way to..... specify how to do destructuring? < 1340348700 600187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm thinking of Scala's unapply < 1340348705 292738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may be wrong < 1340348709 916726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return a list. < 1340348714 82116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And have no idea what Scala's unapply does) < 1340348717 380069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No.) < 1340348719 963907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I don't either.) < 1340348799 244155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If more and more things annoy me in general in the world, does it mean I'm getting old? < 1340348807 597240 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340348812 259807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been wondering that myself < 1340348885 749029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1340348908 688252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Rust, is the stack closure/box closure distinction ultimately for optimization? Couldn't everything use box closures? < 1340348939 796339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, box closures can't mutate their environment, I guess? < 1340348992 84733 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack closures are allocated on the stack? < 1340349061 401118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a further simplification, if the final parameter to a function is a closure, the closure need not be placed within parentheses. You could, for example, write..." < 1340349075 831601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks his tongue out at Ruby
< 1340349122 44715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let doubled = vec::map([1, 2, 3]) {|x| x*2}; < 1340349161 232166 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340349166 817853 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1340349172 839748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that only for lambda syntax? < 1340349182 457966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it actually for anything of type 'function' < 1340349192 558020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "the last argument" < 1340349246 631985 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340349249 499848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby has a special argument slot for a callable thing. < 1340349269 108685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say foo(...) { ... }, it passes a new Proc in that special argument slot. < 1340349294 166244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo(arg1, arg2, &block) is the way you define a function that takes the callable thing. < 1340349307 46525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Rust's way better < 1340349307 925602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can alos pass anything in the block slot with the same syntax: foo(arg1, arg2, &b) < 1340349384 248470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pretty fundamental to the way Ruby does things, and while it's a little weird, it can be nice. < 1340349389 584492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have you learned about the distinction between procs and lambdas yet? < 1340349432 265762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, erm, I know there's a distinction between do/end and {/} which amounts to precedence. < 1340349440 997334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's just syntax. < 1340349471 764907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between proc and lambda? < 1340349477 374610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the difference is that return inside a block returns from the enclosing function? < 1340349477 843470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1340349483 197876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1340349489 811035 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit like it captures a continuation as well < 1340349491 619747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't use it to implement callcc. :-( < 1340349510 425658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hmm < 1340349512 8479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just throws an exception if you use it after the function has returned. < 1340349515 401232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1340349525 297591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one does a Smalltalk-like ^ and the other does just a normal... thingy? < 1340349569 626720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo; b = lambda { return 5; }; [1,2,3].map(&b); end < 1340349577 529612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :def bar; b = proc { return 5; }; [1,2,3].map(&b); end < 1340349612 449801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1340349625 663297 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo returns [5,5,5], bar returns 5? < 1340349646 393923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they both return 5 < 1340349657 573655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340349664 838761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1340349666 801715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what gives < 1340349684 933899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda and proc are the same < 1340349772 711623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340349772 910480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340349792 394340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you get a normal lambda < 1340349826 252392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a normal lambda < 1340349844 958502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i declare an anonymous function which returns 5 < 1340349853 533966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er not 'declare' but create, as a value < 1340349854 192359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda { 5 } < 1340349854 723025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340349858 773430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: < 1340349864 632900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is a function < 1340349865 256789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo; b = lambda { return 5 }; ['hi', b.call]; end < 1340349867 713383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean somethiing you can do < 1340349869 172004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(foo) on < 1340349870 249106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't < 1340349871 66874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo; b = Proc.new { return 5 }; ['hi', b.call]; end < 1340349874 952927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean something you can do < 1340349877 988861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f.call(foo) on < 1340349879 789282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then lambda { 5 } < 1340349880 220522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1340349884 654575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1340349898 647855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby's solution to this is honestly not as bad as it sounds given certain syntactic things ruby desires < 1340349901 334320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc == lambda != Proc.new < 1340349904 91386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kind of ugly even then < 1340349926 921242 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but you can't call the result of Proc.new without .call? < 1340349933 413366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not quite sure. < 1340349940 116074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that doesn't really make *sense* < 1340349944 258210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in foo(bar), foo isn't a value < 1340349947 145942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a name < 1340349949 573788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck not < 1340349954 977336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of shit-ass language is this < 1340349959 470374 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in C, foo there is a value < 1340349961 933625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ruby supports calling functions without parentheses. < 1340349964 871354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's complicated :P < 1340349973 854047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want the value foo you can use Method.new(:foo) or something like that. < 1340349974 53158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is a bad language but this isn't as unreasonable as it sounds < 1340349985 437054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is inherited from Perl. < 1340349992 684828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no excuse < 1340350024 456135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ruby better or worse than OCaml? < 1340350054 37664 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shitty question < 1340350072 362517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages are not totally ordered < 1340350074 84201 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for PHP < 1340350120 927349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAOS is worse. < 1340350144 32840 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what are you looking for in a language, anyway < 1340350146 959695 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to use it for < 1340350159 148017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "Everything" isn't a good answer < 1340350166 588139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... an OK answer < 1340350169 178756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for comparing it with other languages !! < 1340350171 110294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nothing < 1340350173 776765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo doesn't code < 1340350178 505953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just learns languages and gives up on them < 1340350200 157742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually do write code sometimes. < 1340350239 867191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Antiposeball-5-SAVE-PRIMS-ON-FURNITURE/219014 is not a thing that could exists if I did not write code. < 1340350270 760997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see my .COM file? < 1340350281 145953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h<|XP- {P_X(%GGG(%GGWZ- sh LI!XI!Hello, DOS!$ < 1340350308 109989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this can be made smaller < 1340350320 632637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ais523 < 1340350332 651212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wrote a program which turned strings of text into printable com files that printed them < 1340350337 443659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which was itself a printable COM file, I think < 1340350342 682499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it a uudecoder in printable COM < 1340350344 117517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1340350346 164197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome ask him about it < 1340350347 117859 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, pro < 1340350351 410132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was a uudecoder yeah < 1340350358 940010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he could transfer binary files over text lines < 1340350361 821932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any prerequisites < 1340350364 358631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... except for DOS < 1340350445 141164 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps just COMBOOT. < 1340350473 624907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a PHP bug where I completely agree with the PHP team in every respect and think the behaviour is reasonable < 1340350476 62042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a first < 1340350481 729442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bug report, that is < 1340350483 926642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50696 < 1340350497 445733 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have some sympathy for their position as well < 1340350510 294502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that person really has this hellish dev environment, they should have been testing RCs < 1340350512 236042 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(format supported by syslinux bootloaders, in its 16 bit mode, if not using Syslinux-specific APIs, is a COM file that only uses BIOS calls) < 1340350521 706537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is where the reporter asks rasmus to escalate the issue < 1340350523 663071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said the function shouldn't return 0 or NULL, it should throw an exception < 1340350526 656949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i lolled at that < 1340350538 377582 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, has a small handful of DOS APIs. < 1340350548 66269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: php doesn't really have "errors" < 1340350553 454371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not type ones < 1340350553 858992 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anything trivial) < 1340350554 519372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340350636 781577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it significantly likely that the problem can't be fixed with a search/replace, perhaps to a custom function that emulates the old behavior? < 1340350653 968752 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the thread < 1340350667 539673 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of those changes will have to be coded, tested, written-off, released, tested by the clients since this is tax data and has to be precise for tax planning and retirement planning." < 1340350746 998781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for every changed line of code? < 1340350963 642110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently something on that order < 1340351396 612998 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340351429 453952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: rasmus gives the exact search and replace < 1340351438 863816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's adding a single cast to the first argument of every function < 1340351442 588130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, you wrote that? < 1340351443 498217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340351444 957749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evrey function call < 1340351445 884483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of that call < 1340351446 787226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*every < 1340351447 325845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgoji < 1340351448 405071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orgji < 1340351449 191574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'r;lkhkrt < 1340351450 778118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :krogjirge < 1340351456 949372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was that anti-virus test code thing, but I guess not. < 1340351473 550377 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340351473 786299 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wrote it < 1340351480 58259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of adding COM support to my polyglot < 1340351510 22683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're using eval? < 1340351520 63791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that self-modifying code? < 1340351525 820418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that would be stupid, but given who we're dealing with < 1340351547 30271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*using eval in ... ways worse than normal eval. < 1340351715 249107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1340351715 456697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rasmus Lerdorf is a braindamaged idiot. He always was, and it was obvious from start. Shame on everybody who uses anything he touched. < 1340351715 655678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could escalate, he could ask some adults to fix this issue. But he won't because he is naughty. < 1340351715 968509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1340351719 887878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know proggit is the best < 1340351749 94711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile at the top of hacker news "16,000 core neural net (andrew ng/jeff dean) - singularity is near (research.google.com)" < 1340351790 442872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1340351804 969984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because the interrupt instruction is not ASCII < 1340351814 328198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1340351820 704428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any non-self-modifying way to do it? < 1340351834 433386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know, but feel free to try :) < 1340351839 599364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any non-self-modifying way to execute some code that is not in ASCII with just ASCII < 1340351839 798380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am curious to hear about any improvements to this code < 1340351844 698926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing ... no? < 1340351846 393349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no i have an idea < 1340351850 302200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan RAM for the interrupt instruction < 1340351851 805814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then jump there < 1340351856 680697 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are other ways to get to the "print shit on the screen" code < 1340351857 389660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340351860 105223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't self-modify < 1340351861 776412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm wondering whether there's a jump instruction. < 1340351864 281989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like self-modification < 1340351865 732962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but minus a MOV < 1340351878 830492 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just read the interrupt vector table and then far jump to the right place < 1340351904 101886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions you get are: or and daa sub das xor aaa cmp aas inc dec push pop pusha popa push insb insw outsb outsw jo jno jb jae jz jnz jbe ja js jns jp jnp jl jge jle < 1340351908 608851 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not every form of those < 1340351938 967053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you have those jumps? < 1340351945 929206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it different in real mode? < 1340352022 687904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As.... biased I may be against Republicans, how is http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/richard-mourdock-obamacare-youtube-accident.php?ref=fpa a big deal at all < 1340352046 609439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is real mode < 1340352050 602906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some guy accidentally posted video reactions to several possible Supreme Court rulings) < 1340352057 453821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have conditional jumps < 1340352057 794207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right, which is why I was asking. < 1340352059 688499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive offsets only < 1340352078 757581 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you also have bound and arpl but those aren't on the 8086 < 1340352092 719500 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't include \t because fuck tabs < 1340352184 669952 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried using the INT at 0000h or the long call at 0005h? < 1340352209 464530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very printable! < 1340352221 657106 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can construct such numbers (this code does) < 1340352227 238292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no indirect jump/call, either < 1340352246 254233 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in memory 0000h or 00005h when a .COM file runs. They're in the header. < 1340352276 276447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Next step: Write a printable MBR < 1340352293 264563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the last byte of a MBR isn't printable < 1340352296 938896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, what's the point, man < 1340352317 152276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1340352365 831919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write just the executable program part of MBR as printable < 1340352420 393410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: write a printable bootloader < 1340352439 849901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, I think what ais523 wrote is something which turned any program printable through self-modification < 1340352445 816166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then converted a uudecoder with it < 1340352447 410556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... something < 1340352464 649305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: Yeah, but how do you encode that address in the printable code? < 1340352472 238716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you just have to alculate it. < 1340352485 175230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you jump there once you calculated < 1340352504 854412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm having trouble groking the purpose of the Functor type class. What benefit is there in deriving a class from Functor? Especially since every derived type is going to have to supply an implementation anyway. < 1340352546 596341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's really dumb "newS" < 1340352547 658155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*news < 1340352561 241791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I agree. < 1340352571 785650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as tired as "all political parties are the same lol dumbos" stuff is you can't really expect reasonability on either side of a political campaign < 1340352597 710231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fark thread on it has a few people objecting to the fact that the messages were pre-recorded, rather than just the speech being pre-written < 1340352649 675648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I think that's silly. < 1340352685 118231 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not surprised to find that he did that at all... < 1340352720 107140 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, heck, it straight-up makes *sense* to have a bunch of speeches pre-written, and pre-recording them is just one extra step. < 1340352721 983555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are quoting? < 1340352740 784161 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially makes sense for a person who is probably quite busy. < 1340352757 17287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, absolutely < 1340352758 15092 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record a bunch of responses for things over the course of an afternoon, release as needed. < 1340352797 931187 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of an embarassing accident to release them all, but it's still *not a big deal*. < 1340352801 17882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1340352815 35484 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me i say "grok" instead of "understand" without understanding what "grok" means < 1340352817 697632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, arguably it's humorous < 1340352820 598522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horp glurp ponk donk < 1340352841 267424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling into the balls tank < 1340352843 68858 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yup. < 1340352850 19588 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should grok some more water
< 1340352855 324944 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer me that water, bro < 1340352875 514217 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually read the damned book, so there. :P
< 1340352883 487972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should read that law < 1340352890 325036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1340352974 823271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know nixon had a speech prepared in case they had to leave neil armstrong and buzz aldrin stranded on the moon to die < 1340352979 361183 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame there's no recording of that < 1340353003 824583 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he hadn't actually recorded it. < 1340353005 409293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that speech is depressing < 1340353011 539148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hence why there is no recording of it < 1340353013 228377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We drop turkeys out of planes just to fill up the sky / And we know damn well that they can't fly" < 1340353017 846032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't record live speeches :P < 1340353020 14080 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the one he actually read was done live. < 1340353021 812007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a winner < 1340353033 837985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanx < 1340353069 259886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/390933.stm < 1340353069 458435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, grog. < 1340353073 437183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groks some grog.
< 1340353075 610359 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit weird, realising we went to the *moon* at a time where it was impractical to pre-record the President. < 1340353080 38889 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groks some water
< 1340353091 663451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brog like rocks! < 1340353095 109038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm! < 1340353106 277083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you been to the moon ?? < 1340353133 348510 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not really impractical < 1340353158 326065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean NASA recorded all that video from the moon on magnetic tape < 1340353164 352001 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and film works too < 1340353179 554762 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just not much of a point to it < 1340353190 10328 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At the time, you'd only record stuff if you wanted it to run more than once, in part because of the expense. < 1340353197 120978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the president can't be trusted to give a speech without fucking it up then... < 1340353206 923593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reflects on 2001-2008
< 1340353214 70583 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins kmc in reflection
< 1340353222 237388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have never been to the moon, can you prove it? < 1340353235 734103 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, if we reflect each other then we'll create a quantum time vortex that might rip the very fabric of spacetime from this channel! < 1340353256 401460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a quantum time vortex? < 1340353262 794762 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *isn't* a quantum time vortex, man < 1340353268 365785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a science thing. You wouldn't understand. < 1340353285 385376 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are working hard to convince both the Indians and the Pakis there's a way to deal with their problems without going to war." < 1340353288 405036 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob* < 1340353300 483043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/390933.stm < 1340353307 493324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus proving that the bbc news site has always been the best-designed of all the news sites < 1340353309 379310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION PATRIOTISM
< 1340353309 774333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1340353310 238821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Politics would be a helluva good business if it weren't for the goddamned people. < 1340353328 996069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(displays were tiny in 1999 so that probably looked non-terrible!) < 1340353334 5668 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 640x480? < 1340353345 821777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Labour "got it wrong" when it allowed uncontrolled immigration from new EU states in 2004, Ed Miliband will say in a speech later." < 1340353349 736160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Labour leader will say people who worry about immigration are not "bigots"" < 1340353369 553175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently labour has decided that moving to the right is an excellent idea at a time when the right-leaning coalition government is unpopular < 1340353392 847035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most left-wing main party has become kinda unelectable < 1340353397 646331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx labour < 1340353405 139567 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thlabour < 1340353419 939148 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it a standard policy to always move right when your policies are unliked? < 1340353424 814773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can 5-HT_2A agonists take me to the moon? < 1340353429 808912 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in general? < 1340353434 88207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *thabour < 1340353435 398733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noob < 1340353449 538777 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, if you can raise $100M selling them < 1340353455 973580 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1340353461 963009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do that? < 1340353469 234009 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hear there's rumors on the internets [pause] that we're going to have a draft. We're not going to have a draft, period." — Bush, 2004 < 1340353475 381379 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He actually said internets? < 1340353477 858528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in 2005, Space Adventures announced its intention to work with Russian Spacecraft manufacturer Energia and the Russian Space Agency to offer a roughly one-week two-passenger flight around the Moon (no orbit, no landing) in a booster-equipped Soyuz craft for $100 million per person, as early as 2010" < 1340353497 559689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, "internets" is a fine word < 1340353514 494944 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bush was just acknowledging the reality that the Internet is itself composed of smaller internetworks < 1340353516 514216 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but it doesn't refer (just) to the Internet. < 1340353531 968081 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Bush knows that much about internetworking. < 1340353541 688936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MULTInet. < 1340353544 939652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUDE < 1340353545 573667 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. once they have your $100 million they will probably ask for more < 1340353548 411648 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikitravel.org/en/Space < 1340353570 639242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if, like, every ip address that doesn't respond on the internet is like a BLACK HOLE < 1340353571 242071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as bushisms go that is really tame come on < 1340353574 57232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do better than that < 1340353577 966326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, like, it has a whole new pocket internet inside it < 1340353585 731589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a parallel multinet < 1340353598 21213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "There are quite a few space-related places on the Earth itself." < 1340353608 969339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is using DrRacket with the SICP language a good way to do SICP? < 1340353648 970333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340353655 274948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's up to you" < 1340353669 631946 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeahyeahyeah. < 1340353672 930812 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd rather not. < 1340353697 187263 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm afraid if I go for the worse one's I'll shoot. Myself or someone else, either way it's undesirable. < 1340353702 560412 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one's/ones/ < 1340353720 786739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The whole point of going to the moon is landing. < 1340353727 343059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you go and then not land? < 1340353729 119247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm inclined to agree with you there < 1340353731 777991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The sight of the *Earth* from Space is reputed to be incomparable." < 1340353737 706522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "At altitudes above the thick atmosphere, the *stars* cease to "twinkle"." < 1340353746 788665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "*Sunrise* and *sunset* lose much of their multicolored glory, but take on greater intensity and speed at orbital and even suborbital velocities." < 1340353769 361444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, I can get rid of my web browser < 1340353775 421296 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanxs elliot < 1340353799 24902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Although Space food has come a long way in terms of taste and variety in recent decades, the quality and taste is still not up to standards of most connoisseurs of fine cuisine. Your transportation provider may offer some choice in the foods available, but you will ultimately be limited by their willingness to indulge you." < 1340353806 683098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Bigelow Aerospace, [13]. In 2006, they successfully tested the first prototype of an inflatable Space hotel. However, even if everything goes according to plan, the real thing won't be up in orbit before 2012." < 1340353809 403731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BE SURE TO PASTE THE COPYRIGHT NOTICE TOO < 1340353817 63880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Text is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0, images are available under various licenses, see each image for details." < 1340353826 614449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i think kmc is hitnitng at somethign" < 1340353851 51557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: waht could he poIBSlY be hinting at - god - gad - gud < 1340353879 651173 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was all ready to burn my draft card in 2003 < 1340353898 275995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead i watched on TV as the children of more economically disadvantaged families fought the war < 1340353902 669968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then snarked about it on the internet < 1340353905 517859 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's protest too rite? < 1340353916 270137 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, just fucking depressing. < 1340353922 13972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1340353924 543520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you get a gold star < 1340353936 396958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember when the USA literally filled a C-130 cargo plane with $20 bills and flew it to Iraq and then lost the money? < 1340354004 566172 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1340354039 723411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are the legal 5-HT_2A agonists any good? < 1340354050 535308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we discuss that recently < 1340354055 602986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we? < 1340354064 416893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2C-E is pretty good, if you consider that legal < 1340354085 772197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a 5Hwhatever? < 1340354088 669430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340354091 712430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340354096 663860 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethyl-phenethylamine < 1340354138 197349 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, 5-HT is a legal 5-HT agonist and is a pretty cool guy < 1340354154 285309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much good taking it orally though < 1340354157 363355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 2A part mean? < 1340354162 870522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a receptor subtype < 1340354184 482897 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all serotonin (5-HT) receptors but there are different types which respond differently to different other chemicals < 1340354188 872789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know man, i'm not a neurochemist < 1340354230 348089 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent these drugs have different effects, it's probably through different receptor type selectivity < 1340354232 348444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just work there. < 1340354248 468578 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only really clear example I have is DiPT, which has a specific auditory effect which the others don't have < 1340354264 101379 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a nonlinear pitch shift + flanging < 1340354280 495349 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shulgin got one of his musician friends with perfect pitch to take it < 1340354360 343879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, 5-HTP is a metabolic precursor to 5-HT that you can buy at any dietary supplement store < 1340354364 599473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the counter < 1340354381 192223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but effects like that sound easier to do by just running some filters on a DSP or whatever, instead of trying to do it in your auditory system. < 1340354385 798476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to act as a mild antidepressant < 1340354412 441450 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think you are missing the point :) < 1340354417 898458 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're not an expert? < 1340354422 6391 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day it will be possible to generate sounds by physical simulation of vibration :D < 1340354431 311136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how far away such things are < 1340354446 376878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was done in like the 80's < 1340354451 532715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most of the things itidus21 says will happen "one day" < 1340354469 485855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340354479 903853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do physical-inspired string instrument simulation in our acoustics lab. < 1340354482 297211 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_modeling_synthesis < 1340354499 238492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've written some papers on Finnish instruments like the kantele. < 1340354506 814789 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1340354526 78969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all include some amount of approximation, though. < 1340354532 744522 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a sensible starting point given that it's the stupidest instrument in the world < 1340354536 635142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have a number in my nickname... like a robot! < 1340354543 167973 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the electric kantele is used in finnish heavy metal < 1340354547 959630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly modeling strings at subatomic level. < 1340354563 251437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modeling strings by modeling strings < 1340354566 762935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what we demand < 1340354567 697618 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no less < 1340354570 749666 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz has spoken < 1340354593 528455 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340354608 600910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/asp/ < 1340354608 799208 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say, you can't simulate strings without understanding string theory < 1340354636 757902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have some lutes. And "mainstream" stuff. < 1340354643 833202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also say you can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish < 1340354649 362151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really looked too closely. < 1340354731 562093 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm shin ramyun < 1340354735 256278 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my new favorite snack < 1340354785 848548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1340354793 711874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it vegetarian? < 1340354795 950482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant ramen < 1340354808 34353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :far tastier and more filling than top ramen / maruchan < 1340354813 551066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like $1 a pack instead of 20¢ < 1340354848 163096 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the one i have contains beef powder < 1340354850 116698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not vegetarian. < 1340354852 594843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if they make other flavors < 1340354853 490636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1340354858 171446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also quite spicy < 1340355023 639178 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Alas, that probably comes in two varieties: "with meat" and "animal genocide". < 1340355048 126017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which animal? < 1340355057 874328 :fad!~fad@130.43.64.77.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340355065 499993 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genocide against the clade Animalia. < 1340355075 943925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that, like, regicide < 1340355118 582337 :fad!~fad@130.43.64.77.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr PART :#esoteric < 1340355639 718365 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here's the source to my com file https://gist.github.com/2971501 < 1340355642 919689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to make it better < 1340355662 164033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340355706 568613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the source file has the compiled binary in a comment. < 1340355754 462410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC News headline: Player 'completes' Diablo III video game < 1340355808 809401 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but i missed the opportunity to make the source code also an executable com file < 1340355848 685950 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340355859 598964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC is an example of the confusion < 1340355898 339383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know dot-coms haven't been "all the rage" for more than 10 years, right? < 1340355903 675445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about the agile social now. < 1340355905 903764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bringing it back < 1340355917 518917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the English Broadcasting Corporation, or the UK Broadcasting Corporation < 1340356023 263373 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[The BBC's] main responsibility is to provide impartial public service broadcasting in the United Kingdom, Channel Islands and Isle of Man." < 1340356050 275513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a jig.
< 1340356181 673538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you jigging < 1340356189 82232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In addition, he used a "hard core" character. This meant that, if the character died once, the game would be over. He also got in-game help from another player called Krippi.]] < 1340356194 406872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :journalism < 1340356209 624161 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: BBC does serve the parts of UK which are not in Britain < 1340356304 679455 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the UK situation is less complicated than NYC-area place names < 1340356312 953345 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340356413 789016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, NYC, Manhattan (borough), Manhattan (island), Brooklyn, Kings County, Long Island, and "The City" < 1340356423 185742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a mess to explain how these things relate geographically and politically < 1340356424 524556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The City /= NYC? < 1340356429 899097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you implement a better language than Haskell for me? < 1340356437 299183 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: some people use it to mean Manhattan < 1340356448 876140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :New York, New York, so good they named it once but then used the same name again < 1340356453 944876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't *think* i made that up < 1340356457 14828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And Manhattan is New York County! < 1340356457 373967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because they were unimaginative < 1340356461 925978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340356469 944458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you live in manhattan you can get mail addressed to "New York, NY" < 1340356504 839015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in the other parts of NYC? < 1340356519 221388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it will probably work but it's not proper < 1340356521 808073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SIPB, MIT, USA" < 1340356536 950300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was there once! < 1340356547 936265 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have a New York, NY address even if you live in that part of Manhattan (borough) which is not on Manhattan (island) < 1340356558 23225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you live there you can also have a Bronx, NY address, I think < 1340356564 188944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Structure and Interpretation of Pomputer Brograms? < 1340356612 574043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are brograms what a brogrammer writes < 1340356640 697431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do they really use the word 'programmme' in britain < 1340356649 428297 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogramme < 1340356673 315902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch many brogrammes. I don't even own one. < 1340356681 891433 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you pay TV tax?!? < 1340356689 370613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no ! < 1340356692 904483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's TV tax < 1340356716 74960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in UK you have to pay a license fee to have a TV < 1340356719 571831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom < 1340356736 642594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Licences are half price for the legally blind." < 1340356754 716371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : As of 2010, this costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for black and white.[1] < 1340356761 143142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should charge more for black and white. < 1340356783 384514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, can we have us.wikipedia.org and uk.wikpedia.org? < 1340356811 111805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340356825 502314 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipædia.org < 1340356837 759011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess au.wikipedia.org would be asking too much < 1340356881 483240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i see what you're saying now < 1340356891 528267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the BBC has vans which they claim can detect unlicensed TVs < 1340356905 171012 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color < 1340356919 370250 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is widely considered to be bullshit < 1340357010 504989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color table should not be interpreted as a definitive list – the pure spectral colors form a continuous spectrum, and how it is divided into distinct colors linguistically is a matter of culture and historical contingency (although people everywhere have been shown to perceive colors in the same way[2])." < 1340357038 397465 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, what if, like, yeah < 1340357070 24460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uk.wikipedia.org could be s/color/colour < 1340357082 578887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more concerned with "license" and "licence". < 1340357086 872860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the en. page uses both. < 1340357166 575908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favourite < 1340357253 117361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Successful minister-favourites also usually needed networks of their own favourites and relatives to help them carry out the work of government - Richelieu had his "créatures" and Olivares his "hechuras"." < 1340357276 364954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well you need to use one of each, so it will be legally binding in all jurisdictions < 1340357376 79617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is obviously bullshit < 1340357383 874204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also they tend to pester people even if they don't own a tv < 1340357404 501233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otoh, the people who get *persistently* pestered by them tend to be the sorts who seem to be looking for something to complain about in the first place) < 1340357414 124338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should see their tv ads < 1340357428 710163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the one i'm thinking of < 1340357459 274468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIpbpSU3XA < 1340357598 465521 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340357645 315175 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340358748 775447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.2012ark.net/ < 1340359035 561688 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340359035 798398 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340359035 798519 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340359078 634961 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340359204 155617 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: erm, so where can you actually hear the results? < 1340359215 919103 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/asp/ just has a bunch of papers < 1340359244 768702 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1340359369 761071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so what does that audio topic mean for me? quite simply a game with no pre-recorded audio! < 1340359538 769620 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno much about sound and music and stuff.. but like for example, the current sound could be a function of the distances between all the geometrical game entities < 1340359622 906505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if there were 3 circles, then the sound could be a function of the average distance between them < 1340359684 504694 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340361129 611972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you would set up a virtual microphone which would recieve soundwaves < 1340362115 432160 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340363395 38306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1340365310 682555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340366556 274171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my turing machine! http://oi50.tinypic.com/29z9egm.jpg < 1340367389 838408 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340368097 758889 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340368103 248694 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340368250 172729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: simulating sound propogation is something that games have done for a long time < 1340368327 534646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340368363 966951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it seems to me that a variable sound response could be a fun way to respond to a collision < 1340368432 832200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like normally that collision response information seems to be used for, well, i'm not sure.. but it could be used as a function of how loud an impact is < 1340368541 687555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is done also < 1340368557 187884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people have better sense than to do it :D < 1340368568 827602 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1340368585 643308 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when an object runs headlong into a wall and the velocity gets set to zero. the amount of velocity which was lost could produce a sound < 1340368590 391223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340368592 760796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a bad idea < 1340368644 848107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see any particular reason why < 1340368661 415934 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1340368664 592887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340368670 266548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its a good idea < 1340368672 782736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what you said about the circles flying around and making music and whatever < 1340368687 665914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first i assumed you were just talking about modeling sound propogation in an environment < 1340368693 569679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a novel idea -- games have done that for many years < 1340368707 969232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i thought you meant something more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditorium_(video_game) < 1340368710 963611 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a neat game < 1340368791 619523 :lahwran-!lahwran@sonicrules.org QUIT :Changing host < 1340368791 818625 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1340368798 534250 :lahwran-!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran NICK :lahwran < 1340368847 997882 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340368895 641040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well in this whole topic, im in trouble from the get-go... my conception of producing sound is nothing beyond the QBASIC function SOUND(frequency, duration) < 1340368923 964107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i didnt know it had a duration argument until i looked it up just now < 1340368967 315883 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i gathered as much < 1340368973 619786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :video game sound is in fact a bit more complex these days ;P < 1340369039 598083 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340369169 723857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, about 3 circles {a,b,c} .. what i had in mind was something like: n=distance(a,b)+distance(a,c)+distance(b,c)/3; SOUND(n,30 milliseconds?) < 1340369223 823141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually i think it would be kind of cool in such a system how destroying one of the circles would lead to a sudden change in the sound < 1340369273 106055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well n could be normalized into a comfortable set of frequencies < 1340369314 512294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this page says duration works in clock ticks.. that could be "tricky" < 1340369526 26438 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was within the last few months i think that it clicked to me that sound can be produced within a physics simulation < 1340369574 623330 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that with enough computing power and good algorithms behind it, we could even hear how fictional objects and instruments might sound < 1340369632 402632 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but i don't even know what i mean by fictional objects! < 1340369799 977268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we could simulate the sound of filling some time and place with air and putting a microphone there < 1340369981 166642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the truth is if i actually did more in my day i wouldn't feel the need to ramble < 1340370751 179046 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340370830 892071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning, all! < 1340370962 312488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340371242 406050 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340371713 401754 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340371717 601577 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340371984 170616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily! < 1340372006 714776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.1895 < 1340372037 954846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb! < 1340372041 464707 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1340372146 331776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: infact i actually linked to the very same thing in this room once >:D < 1340372153 947020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340372155 995098 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke < 1340372156 589662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is time to take a closer look < 1340372163 765704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreicate it though < 1340372181 980232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadnt read it.. :-j white papers are mostly about reading the titles for me < 1340372227 207917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am working on a cool turing machine < 1340372260 466435 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lost deep in browser tab hell < 1340372315 324502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1340372527 10590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: turing machine and browser tabs... hmm... is it possible to crate a machine where the tape is an infinite stream of browser tabs? < 1340372653 814583 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not on the iPad for sure(unless they changed that awful limit) < 1340372682 175124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well.. i am fascinated by the movement of a turtle shell in super mario bros. and the way the turtle shell resembles a tapehead < 1340372782 797122 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340372811 564011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am satisfied now that the turtle shell is a turing machine, not a turing complete language < 1340372928 268359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340372969 180146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dislodges a spork and returns it to oerjan
< 1340373464 242874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy < 1340373475 57435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks pal < 1340374115 683793 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340374678 242134 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340374687 502925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu[Zzz]: don't do that :( < 1340374705 328665 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... so i go to google and i see the last thing i expected to see < 1340374747 244461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.google.com < 1340374768 88143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, can we have us.wikipedia.org and uk.wikpedia.org? <-- you can have the latter. < 1340374775 58698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, +i < 1340374800 638933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find it disappointingly non-british, though. < 1340374873 221520 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is the turing machine i made just now: http://oi47.tinypic.com/35n31ip.jpg < 1340375946 925780 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want you can < 1340375950 344796 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it out < 1340375964 793737 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my awesome language! < 1340375965 667552 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/NTCM < 1340377124 354950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: so i have a version of python on windows but i have no idea about python.. but it's giving invalid syntax for the > in "while b<>"esc":" < 1340377154 296642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that something in python has changed which has rendered old programs not working right < 1340377212 228418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that its something screwy with document formats etc < 1340377227 919457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something tells me i can assume the program itself is fine < 1340377390 12648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: "<>" is a very, very old way to write "!=". < 1340377461 259673 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just doesn't like the encoding.. < 1340377471 254543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll sort it out i think < 1340377576 571515 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i told it the proper encoding < 1340377579 847242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see < 1340377609 758696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> is obsolete, but still in the manual, so it should work... < 1340377626 505836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obsolescent < 1340377954 710692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still works in python 2 (2.7.3 on my machine), but chokes in python 3 (3.2.3). < 1340378222 294553 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esolang which is based on the idea where the instruction pointer is at multiple positions at the same time < 1340378229 603540 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340378256 379090 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, always, not optionally) < 1340378441 248173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it is working < 1340378496 308524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i had to change was to replace all the <> with != and to change print foo into print (foo) and change raw_input to input < 1340378537 715704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you have python 3 < 1340378557 205812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, not for any good reason though < 1340378871 203209 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1340378985 514241 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna look into pygame but then i regained my self respect < 1340379550 884773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i piped it into a textfile.. which i think is pretty good for a novice windows user < 1340379567 348803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i quickly got 4mb of hello world! < 1340379659 726988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to think, a file system should have optional size constraints < 1340379676 809650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can say, this file cannot become larger than N bytes < 1340379701 931558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< this is why i don't design OSs < 1340380438 702024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why Steam so often has to install DirectX.
< 1340380438 940949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340380443 741070 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think once would be enough. < 1340380461 615573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its conservation of installs < 1340380479 208579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :install windows once, install directx many < 1340380498 791443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :install linux many, install opengl once < 1340380973 78480 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you use Steam on Wine on Linux... D-8 < 1340380994 752461 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1340381167 616249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you put egobot on umlbox yet < 1340381244 203721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1340381257 665395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok bye < 1340381628 718222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340381636 151410 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340381833 28878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340381847 702398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1340381965 449312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had an exam today < 1340382004 556660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1340382256 551381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a national midsummer holiday day today; no exams. < 1340382263 76692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of fire, though. < 1340382505 594450 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340382686 783530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1340382886 512316 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340383068 662584 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-215.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340383073 606906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340383156 792708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1340383341 617408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the exam went well < 1340383845 6500 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340384724 346168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lines in xkcd are thicker now < 1340384949 90838 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340385035 133354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a scale thing. The dude is taller than the last dude, too. < 1340385076 726893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't checked if they stay a consistent size.) < 1340386094 311846 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 : So did the program work in the end? < 1340386110 161691 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't use it in a while < 1340386116 85600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D < 1340386127 762963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact i just now got the use out of it i wanted < 1340386137 386320 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! < 1340386147 960372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. i will show you my turing machine in NTCM < 1340386178 59595 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4[5:P0RI:0;0:P0RI:0;1:P1RI:0;2:P2RI:0;3:P3RI:0;4:P4RI:0]|0[5:P4LE:1;0:P0RI:0;1:P0RI:2;2:P1LE:1;3:P2LE:1;4:P4LE:1]|1[5:P4RI:0;0:P0LE:1;1:P0LE:3;2:P1RI:0;3:P2RI:0;4:P4RI:0]|2[5:P4LE:3;0:P0RI:2;1:P0RI:2;2:P1LE:3;3:P2LE:3;4:P0LE:1]|3[5:P4RI:2;0:P0LE:3;1:P0LE:3;2:P1RI:2;3:P2RI:2;4:P0RI:0]][0=5;ims=4;d10;vh;etFecF;t1] < 1340386273 677144 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i added 2 or 3 lines of python so that it will animate the output so i can watch it move < 1340386338 335773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this machine is really for that purpose >:-) < 1340386545 959876 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iiii don't have Python anymore < 1340386551 968352 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1340386577 944891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. it's inspired by super mario bros. turtle shells < 1340386592 337452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTCM? is that a list of states and transitions? i can almost read it. < 1340386601 404739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the head bouncing back and forth < 1340386642 453075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:P0LE:1 does that mean go to state 4, move left, leave behind a 1? < 1340386694 442954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "0=5;ims=4;d10;vh;etFecF;t1" seems somewhat nontrivial to figure out with no apriori knowledge. < 1340386703 479575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340386707 441969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cant be < 1340386713 102244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it means if the symbol is 4, go to state 1, move left, and leave behind a 0 < 1340386726 937818 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340386873 460581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the turtle shell thing again? < 1340386887 423842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol.. yes.. i didn't stop.. < 1340386899 462933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a more sophisticated turtle shell < 1340386973 200436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems more complicated than would be necessary for just the left-right bounce. Incidentally, does that formulation permit a don't-move case? All I see is just PxRI or PxLE. < 1340386998 517368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a few curious things < 1340387240 916570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did do a picture of it earlier though < 1340387251 965283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would that spoil all the fun of reading it in NTCM < 1340387322 999323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi47.tinypic.com/35n31ip.jpg < 1340387510 330546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340387778 392254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I vaguely recall JFLAP. < 1340387796 189269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe from a course or something. < 1340387818 673740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340387827 808130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is that when the head hits a 1, then the turtle shell becomes more powerful < 1340387832 772504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like it < 1340387919 929367 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition when it hits a 3 that 3 becomes a 2, and next time it becomes a 1 < 1340387959 441476 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. theres all kinds of zaniness that it does < 1340388030 413349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you giving it an initial tape to play with? I mean, I might misremember the syntax, but the "square ; 4" bits make it look like it'd just put 4s at the edges. < 1340388081 588802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. the sample input on the tape i used with NTCM is 40000001012122301040001001 < 1340388092 85542 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340388093 412774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the NTCM version 5 is a blank < 1340388116 553397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when testing it with JFLAP i just put random things in similar to that < 1340388131 152696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340388584 153162 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1340388584 352255 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1340389357 76957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340389586 488335 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340389810 555444 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340390087 574488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we have a computer with 3D display, one thing that can be displayed would be 3D horoscopes. < 1340390156 695880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some astrologers say all horoscopes that include objects other than the Sun are 3D, but they don't know what 3D means, that is why they are astrologers.) < 1340391188 552348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (Some astrologers say all horoscopes that include objects other than the Sun are 3D, but they don't know what 3D means, that is why they are astrologers.) < 1340391192 105865 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340391192 462471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :845) (Some astrologers say all horoscopes that include objects other than the Sun are 3D, but they don't know what 3D means, that is why they are astrologers.) < 1340391250 259426 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am temporarily happy.. i'm in that pattern where i keep working on a thing, unable to let it rest on it's laurels < 1340391272 441361 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340391300 104571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably not very readable now, but this is one hell of a kick ass turing machine in NTCM: < 1340391307 131079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4[ :P_RI:4;_:P_RI:4;*:P*RI:4;o:PoRI:4;O:PORI:4;|:P|RI:4;S:P_:0]|0[ :P|LE:1;_:P_RI:0;*:P_RI:2;o:P*LE:1;O:PoLE:1;|:P|LE:1;S:P_:0]|1[ :P|RI:0;_:P_LE:1;*:P_LE:3;o:P*RI:0;O:PoRI:0;|:P|RI:0;S:P_:1]|2[ :P|LE:3;_:P_RI:2;*:P_RI:2;o:P*LE:3;O:PoLE:3;|:P_LE:1;S:P_:2]|3[ :P|RI:2;_:P_LE:3;*:P_LE:3;o:P*RI:2;O:PoRI:2;|:P_RI:0;S:P_:3]][0= ;ims=4;d13;vh;etFecF;t1] < 1340391669 328851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you like this quotation? < 1340391709 225813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Quite. < 1340391717 240052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he hates it. That is why he added it. < 1340391783 275017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree? Do you have any experience in these matters? < 1340392789 492571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our "CS theory: basics" course had some turing machine writing exercises; I remember liking those. < 1340392882 49070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were kind on the trivial side. < 1340392897 158132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340392909 614899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Design a two-tape TM that recognizes the language {wcw | w \in {a,b}*}" -- an actual example. < 1340392925 572949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, "write the word, check the word". < 1340393003 882738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might've done a single-tape version that just checked letter-by-letter symmetrically around the c, not sure, but that's not terribly interesting either. < 1340393021 187542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1340393021 635522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 8 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340393035 834663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also a "design a three-tape TM that adds two binary numbers" question. < 1340393077 393499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will this thing let go of me < 1340393092 226427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to edit the TM any more < 1340393142 83441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is in fact a third question that's "Design a non-deterministic (single-tape) TM that recognizes {wcw | w \in {a,b}*}. How about a deterministic one?" That's why I had that one-tape version. < 1340393211 315477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know how to recognize things with a TM < 1340393246 180123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just code for "make one that ends up in a particular state when X". < 1340393281 396767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on an input? < 1340393296 180521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input typically being the initial contents of the tape. < 1340393322 570108 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my TMs are about having fun playing with the tape < 1340393341 278786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they achieve little of actual value < 1340393357 888691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recognizes language X" meaning "ends up in state Q whenever the initial content of the tape is a word in language X, and doesn't otherwise". < 1340393383 117817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't necessarily say these have any actual value either, they're all quite boring. < 1340393403 739185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's even the {a^n b a^n | n >= 0} that you don't even need a TM for. < 1340393407 476934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna now post the umpteenth update of my turtle shell thing < 1340393426 675849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6[ :P_LE:6;_:P_LE:6;*:P*LE:6;o:PoLE:6;O:POLE:6;|:P|LE:6;S:P_:6;>:P>LE:1;<:P:P>RI:5;<:P:P>RI:4;<:P:P>RI:0;<:P:P>LE:1;<:P < 1340393426 997865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P>:5;<:P<:6]|3[ :P|RI:2;_:P_LE:3;*:P_LE:3;o:P*RI:2;O:PoRI:2;|:P_RI:0;S:P_:3;>:P>:5;<:P<:6]][0= ;ims=4;d13;vh;etFecF;t1;input.txt] < 1340393463 734750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe the one that adds binary numbers could be said to have some sort of value, but still. < 1340393478 737167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect it can be ledgible there.. but this is the greatest TM! < 1340393487 729044 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-5.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340393712 270481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually of course it goes without saying it's not < 1340393739 44693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I might've liked these "design a grammar" exercises more. It's almost like writing Thue, except you get course credits. (Indirectly, anyway.) < 1340393782 570287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's stuff like "design an unrestricted grammar that produces {w \in {a,b,c}* | w has equal amounts of a's, b's and c's}". < 1340393793 57811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing basically tries to be like super mario bros < 1340393805 482782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or {a^(2^n) | n >= 0}. Okay, so they're kinda boring tasks, but it's still funtimes. < 1340393827 955961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even immediately say why the a^(2^n) one works. < 1340393871 973095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's probably overly complicated.) < 1340393910 686790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you imagine each square on the tape is a graphics tile, and that the head is a turtle shell, that is the best way to understand my TM < 1340393971 574601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, there may be other valid ways of understanding it < 1340393994 851573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"S -> >AP< | e; PA -> AAP; P< -> Q< | R; AQ -> QA; >Q -> >P; AR -> Ra; >R -> e" where e's epsilon. I guess it's just a "keep either doubling the amount of A's or alternatively make them all a's and remove the trash". < 1340394042 802418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually scratch that "| e" from S, that's obviously bogus, what can I have been thinking? < 1340394394 686788 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340394938 660072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make closed/automatic instances in Haskell or Ibtlfmm. In Haskell you might have: auto_instance :: ([Type] -> Q (Maybe [Dec])) -> Q [Dec]; You can use this in a class declaration to make it closed and automatic. < 1340394987 664233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340394989 814928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1340395022 757715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340395049 371186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want to pretend to be good at sport, Germany is winning < 1340395065 793656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Against Greece < 1340395090 169273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does anyone feel like explaining Volume of Revolution to me? < 1340395107 908886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just rotate a thing. < 1340395145 355911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1340395185 130819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a surface of revolution, except you rotate some sort of a blorp and take the insides, instead of rotating a curve and taking just the shell. < 1340395208 36156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume my teachers are awful and are teaching me volume of revolution before surface < 1340395254 80494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, you take a filled disc and rotate it around a suitable axis outside it, and you get a solid (volume) of revolution that makes a donut. < 1340395257 213233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's sport < 1340395269 684699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's a thing that normal people sometimes talk about < 1340395291 779160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's found on the back page of some newspapers < 1340395304 727066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, OK so when you rotate a curve about the x-axis you get a circularly symmetric volume. < 1340395315 167941 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I see that < 1340395329 353697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember this from my days of playing with Google SketchUp < 1340395340 507335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The area of a cross section of this volume at distance x along the axis is pi*y^2. < 1340395359 128614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where y is the curve, obviously.) < 1340395361 565651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340395362 102732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just rotate a curve, you probably just get a surface. < 1340395364 949460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1340395387 6720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can speak of the volume inside it, of course. < 1340395423 731853 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To find the volume, you integrate the cross sectional area along the x axis; i.e., integral from a to b pi*y^2 dx. < 1340395433 438529 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Greece has scored and they're tying < 1340395448 935875 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ooh < 1340395482 548352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you wanted to know the volume of a solid of revolution, not just know general things about a "volume of revolution", which I think I've seen used as a synonym for a solid of revolution before. < 1340395514 887010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1340395540 836639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I've just got the slides from a lecture I missed due to my exam, and I'm trying to figure it out < 1340395602 29041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Germany's winning again < 1340395649 252616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, you can integrate that stuff. If what you want is not "rotate the surface between this curve and the X axis" but instead something like "surface between these two curves" (like if you wanted a hole inside the thing), you might want to use the areas of disc-with-a-hole regions. < 1340395780 928554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie and Phantom_Hoover < 1340395791 26178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've understood enough to decipher this < 1340395975 353937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray has surface of revolution as one of its object types. (And I'm pretty sure regular 3D modelers like Blender have a tool that'll take a segmented line of N points, rotate it with K steps, and make a N*K point mesh, but POV-Ray actually does intersection tests with the real surface, if I've understood correctly.) < 1340396009 235025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the curve is sampled, but the rotated surface part if it is right. < 1340396105 482232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the points of the curve can be connected by different kind of splines.) < 1340396174 984891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, there are details and a different-but-related 'lathe' object, but that's all probably outside the scope of this message.) < 1340396367 386836 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's 4-1 to Germany < 1340396417 589101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was this still that football thing? < 1340396441 820576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340396448 475404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the knock-out stage now < 1340396508 313514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray trivia: it has a "sphere sweep" object type that I think is pretty much meant for making tentacles. (Okay, I guess it could make some sort of tubes too.) < 1340396535 374670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the shape of an object sweeped by a sphere that moves from place to place and varies its radius.) < 1340396539 959609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray is on my list of things to learn < 1340396569 577102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a silly thing. It's like you write this text stuff in a rude imitation of a programming language, and out comes a picture. < 1340396583 651357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can also use it as a back-end renderer, but that sounds terribly pointless. < 1340396584 635486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to use it before < 1340396599 767234 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a pink sphere on a yellow background < 1340396621 759157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have the dubious honour of having my code removed from Uncyclopedia < 1340396632 54442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, here's a sphere-sweep tutorial, and it's all about tentacles: http://cronodon.com/PovRay/Tentacles.html < 1340396658 640794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Haskell&action=historysubmit&diff=5520895&oldid=5520863 < 1340396695 28978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Revert Anon; let us charitably assume he doesn't realize this is a humor site" < 1340396756 276145 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, it was not me who added it to the site, nor was it me who removed it) < 1340396785 488188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a shame, since I think it looks nice. < 1340396819 345566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't try to run it with numbers more than 9 < 1340396829 883521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works /in theory' < 1340396862 884117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in practise? < 1340396868 822819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Haskell < 1340396870 78968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks david < 1340396895 609080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trying to store 10! in strict unary encoded by functions < 1340396940 843717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1340396999 787703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340397086 958253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like something similar to a SK combinator program < 1340397096 169034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it essentially si < 1340397100 195046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1340397196 778919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S = (<*>), K = pure, unsafeCoerce = I < 1340397286 583944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes I noticed that < 1340397331 893284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the most core-dumps I've ever caused in one day, writing that < 1340397408 406035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a good way in a C program to make a white noise? < 1340397495 617603 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ??? < 1340397524 47980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: No, I mean in C < 1340397549 607880 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uniform or gaussian white noise... just some random samples < 1340397575 792367 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take some random samples < 1340397608 870712 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even from rand() or similar < 1340397611 649068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can I make a random real numbers in a C code in both Windows and UNIX? < 1340397638 12803 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I do not know < 1340397669 659598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you will have to decide whether you want to use rand() or to embed your own PRNG. < 1340397672 449254 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, do you need quite random of just pseudorandom < 1340397745 47574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make uniformly distributed double-precision floats from rand() e.g. for the [-0.5, 0.5] interval by dividing the output by (double)RAND_MAX and subtracting 0.5. < 1340397748 350293 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 * ((double) rand() / (double)RANDMAX - 0.5) ??? < 1340397787 967748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an underscore in the constant. And you only need the latter cast, the rules for finding a common type for / will make it double. < 1340397816 311536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you only need one cast, to be more exact. It could be the first one, too. < 1340397900 713567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pseudorandom is good enough, and it doesn't matter if different implementations differ although it might be best to have one built-in so that the quality does not degrade too much with different implementation. I want to make it for audio, it will then be converted to integers after calculation finish < 1340397955 35179 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for audio I think rand() is enough < 1340397974 908678 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you want to add a seed < 1340397988 455044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure even a regular linear-congruential PRNG that you can do in one line will be good enough for audio purposes, if you want to get the exact same results everywhere. < 1340397989 623571 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for avoiding always the same sequence < 1340398009 362356 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may sound recognoscible < 1340398240 713611 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340398248 311197 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340398456 828729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly curious what it's for, though. < 1340398484 539470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a program to make .IT files. You can load external samples, although I also put a simple synthesizer with a few wave forms (including random); other things such as vibrato, tremolo, ADSR, filter, etc, can be provided by .IT format themself (and this program does include commands to enter those commands into the .IT) < 1340398518 311505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is called ITMCK and is somewhat based on PPMCK (which is used to make .NSF) < 1340398560 857860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it is for. Do you like this? < 1340398565 407927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340398576 822419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see my turing machine in action visit this TM simulator http://morphett.info/turing/turing.html and the pastebin has the necessary code and explanation http://pastebin.com/XJf4cPyd < 1340398584 435622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that thing again. < 1340398603 214458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have guesseded, I guess. < 1340398610 543638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1340398647 301873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How many programs have you used to write music? Have you written the music on paper? < 1340398680 604331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive written music < 1340398686 392513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never on paper < 1340398730 768524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't write music, so I don't really have an opinion. My IT file format experiences are from a different angle. < 1340398771 772195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a lot of music in mpt, but i never studied the file format < 1340398839 393144 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340398865 341992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Still it would help, if you have written the music perhaps you would have some opinion about the synthesizers and other features of the music < 1340398882 717969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including if there are some things you think MPT lacks, or some features you don't use < 1340399084 719697 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340399084 918714 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1340399233 977559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this is a more interesting input "....888.s..c..>.|..8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8....|...<...888.c.c...c." < 1340399527 387763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When making a computer program which displays the spherical coordinates of the object in space, for the longitudinal angles there can be hours (right ascension and hour angle), astrological signs (ecliptic longitude), and degrees (both). For latitudinal angles degrees are used, but I think another option should be to allow grads for latitudinal angles. < 1340399775 626017 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340399793 422917 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1340400056 890923 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340401592 534569 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.136 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340401613 859691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a white noise change if raised to an exponent? < 1340402158 905570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't. As long as the samples are all uncorrelated and zero-mean and finite-variance, the power spectrum will be flat. < 1340402191 63993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frequency-wise, that is. The amplitude distribution is clearly different. < 1340402198 867933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still a white noise. < 1340402238 293176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, it *might* (though it's perhaps best to ask a music-maker's opinion) be a good idea to provide a pink noise source also, since that's kind of a more natural noise. (White has relatively much stuff at high frequencies.) Even given that it's probably possible to get something pinkish with the IT filters. < 1340402345 279574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used "L" for square/pulse wave, "N" for saw wave, "V" for triangle wave, letter omitted for sine wave, what letter for white and pink noise? Also how to generate pink noise? < 1340402389 711295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, W and P come to mind. Though the white noise could also be R for random. < 1340402417 57013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at first using R for white noise, so I could keep it that way. < 1340402431 596455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I can put P for pink noise too < 1340402462 339736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although do you know why I have chosen L, N, and V? Maybe it is clear to you, maybe not.) < 1340402485 463399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it's the letter shapes. < 1340402507 567957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noises don't probably have so good letters. < 1340402526 676510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is why we select letters based on different reasons for the noise. < 1340402530 266459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/What/That/ < 1340402571 429537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo. There's two well-known ways to do pink noise; one's to generate white noise and apply a filter that approximates a 1/f frequency response (a third-order one could be close enough) while the second uses K (e.g. K=6) white noise sources, and updates each at different rate. (Basically getting a staircase-like approximation.) < 1340402607 458636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340402657 804646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this bookmark on it: http://www.firstpr.com.au/dsp/pink-noise/ < 1340402664 424595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340402884 619118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the discussion is a bit overly DSP-oriented. Like the improvement to the several-white-noise-sources that makes the work/sample constant, which isn't really an issue except in a DSP implementation. < 1340402996 636532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* I feel more like a code monkey than a developer when I write LSL < 1340403002 974641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I fix myself? < 1340403009 631701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't write lsl < 1340403041 550412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to blame the lagginess of the built-in LSL editor >.> < 1340403047 596750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code monkeys are also developers too. < 1340403200 517690 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, use objectopattern synergies or whatever it is that developers stereotypically use < 1340403302 140891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1340403303 404592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340403421 45970 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340403523 911720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably go with the "economy" filter mentioned there, the http://www.musicdsp.org/files/pink.txt < 1340403694 625904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already written something and it does multiple white noise updating at different rates (using "R(divider),(amplitude),(exponent)" and then if you have more than one, they are added together) < 1340403829 125604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very possible too. < 1340404449 575236 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340404712 13967 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DBBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340405069 291186 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340405499 393618 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340405504 636632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I also haven't thought of yet, is how the table of the effect rows (which will be converted to patterns) should be internally represented. I currently have: typedef struct chan_row { byte note; byte instrument; byte effectid; byte effectpar; byte volumeset; byte continue_flag; /* 0x01=effect 0x02=volume 0x04=zero next effect */ } chan_row; < 1340406022 655079 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340406205 401137 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340406629 206857 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340406886 814274 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340407208 584099 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.co.uk/ < 1340407353 980351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340408152 325691 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1340408502 681537 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DBBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340408529 777627 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DBBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340408707 476403 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DBBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340409021 682849 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340409025 126512 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340409238 944715 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340409255 45221 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340409736 46462 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340410959 260711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-215.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340410968 793125 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-242.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340411175 55753 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340411299 291817 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340411311 828687 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340411993 10189 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340412025 175316 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340412053 849216 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340412577 800500 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340413057 518841 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340413184 51942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey wait is kmc the kmc who comments on Twenty Sided? < 1340413224 411889 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340413228 614960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what twenty sided is < 1340413249 657516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm taking that as a 'no', then. < 1340413808 903122 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340413983 602998 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-242.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340414795 213444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a well-known brainfuck derivative which uses goto instead of "structured" control? < 1340415095 824506 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340415106 597617 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340415315 335051 :luke2!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340415366 651290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi luke < 1340415393 45053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome luke2 < 1340415397 30899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luke2: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1340415412 665864 :luke2!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey quin..thank you < 1340416897 323986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340416958 375636 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming everyone already saw google.com but just in case... < 1340417700 773679 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340418595 322113 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1340419643 243813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think "Bub" uses goto < 1340420293 359613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340420408 51981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Alan Turing's 100th Birthday | Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340420413 407211 :luke3!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340420421 658028 :luke2!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340420427 765654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Alan Turing's 100th Birthday! | Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340420548 816058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ITMCK sends the .IT to a file rather than stdout because it may need to seek the file that it is writing. It could probably be done without seeking but that would be a bit more complicated to program. < 1340420662 314132 :luke3!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340420681 4608 :luke3!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340420725 118822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could make it do without seeking, then I will change it to send the output to stdout instead. < 1340420814 555209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Status messages (which include warning messages and error messages) will always go to stderr, so it won't interfere, except if you use "itmck -v" in which case it sends the version string to stdout and stops, and doesn't send anything to stderr. < 1340421581 440423 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340421633 137537 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340422297 899255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340422380 379684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the google logo thing atm. < 1340422404 827349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :In honour of Turing < 1340422415 417748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if google's TM is the same as he used in Underload
< 1340422441 170986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably has to be < 1340422451 450768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340422484 693840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Binary_counting_Turing_machine < 1340422516 742413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, try the thing out, it looks like you have to press those buttons to make it run the "right" program? < 1340422528 968795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is more than one? < 1340422530 212992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to configure the rules for the head that is < 1340422547 904305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts out as a binary counter < 1340422559 380196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well if the tapes ends up matching the string above it goes on to colouring the next letter in the logo it seems? < 1340422624 997889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1340422685 322788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once you completed the whole "Google" it starts over but runs automatically < 1340422695 222332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are talking about what happens when you press the green button, i assume < 1340422701 40496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes < 1340422706 263604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else? < 1340422722 344454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally it automatically googles "Allan Turing" < 1340422732 688711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as i said, it starts out doing a binary counter even if you don't press anything < 1340422741 723352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, didn't notice that < 1340422861 77842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION manages to get one letter colored but still has no clue what the actual system for settings is
< 1340422873 51891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340422886 532111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just press the button thingy to make it run the right program? < 1340422890 504891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it quite simple < 1340422909 495691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i managed to get the second < 1340422928 259889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a simple finite state machine with some symbols invented for various tests and writes to the tape and what not < 1340422929 525579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't understand how it represents the actual program < 1340422945 535445 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340422951 684641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? It seems trivial to turn it into a finite state machine. < 1340422959 210218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it practically is one < 1340422968 405737 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340422988 871799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so basically the thing below the tape is the control mechanism < 1340422994 312223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it seems like there isn't that much choice in what to press < 1340422995 926131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is it that you are not clear on? < 1340422999 832803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340423008 79263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets a bit more choice towards the end < 1340423018 341010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they thought people were stupid (accurate!) < 1340423084 589101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it has to be intuitive, given that i seem to make the right choice anyhow :P < 1340423092 375910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340423461 439076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, still not a bad "event logo" I think < 1340423492 269470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. i think i finally understood that it's starting at the left end... < 1340423507 899279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of fsa diagram) < 1340423522 698246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that was obvious? < 1340423529 16767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a "complete the program puzzle" < 1340423532 897590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340423587 384063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i somehow thought the brightly colored button was where it started... < 1340423610 448938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340423727 417637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know why that second last one worked... < 1340423739 723983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("worked" after i tried all options, that is) < 1340423745 779015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it again? < 1340423768 473656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't remember which one it was. I just traced through the program logically until I found a solution < 1340423855 213416 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze < 1340423954 157450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally i think i got the system at the last one (needed only one try despite four buttons) < 1340424104 216411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah it was easy < 1340424110 153871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think logically < 1340424132 689970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are trivial finite state machines to trace in your head. < 1340424133 858016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1340424151 458966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET YOU THINK MENSA TESTS AREN'T HIDEOUSLY AMBIGUOUS EITHER < 1340424159 176652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they are < 1340424175 756307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1340424190 332495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found these finite state machines trivial after the first one (where I had to figure out what the hell was going on in general) < 1340424208 101916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my problem was i didn't _have_ to find out until the last one :P < 1340424213 876397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340424262 22930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could have tried all combos for the last one < 1340424264 749269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that many < 1340424268 717527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 buttons iirc? < 1340424293 243635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340424307 92399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot how many states each had < 1340424315 555149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah 2*2*3*3 or something? < 1340424352 593041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which if I remember the number of conditionals accurately thus yields 36 combinations < 1340424360 361254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tried restarting and is wondering if this _is_ the same puzzle as last time
< 1340424376 263009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe they are random < 1340424391 344222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this looks the same to me < 1340424648 11982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I'm going to bed I think. < 1340424649 672055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1340424777 19878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pretty sure he's on a different set of puzzles now. maybe using the back button after the "Alan Turing" search works differently.
< 1340424800 453715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, this one has 6 buttons. < 1340424961 763952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has _no_ options and looks like it may be inspired by the konami code < 1340424968 451536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no buttons < 1340425001 551759 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come i get the interactive doodle but my friend gets just a simple logo < 1340425020 605012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no javascript or something? < 1340425025 140681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1340425031 265199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1340425044 113523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things aren't always rolled out consistently everywhere < 1340425054 878969 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we're on the same internet connection now < 1340425057 133310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so, yeah < 1340425065 529835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :different language settings? < 1340425076 143800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you work out what the bit sequences mean? < 1340425097 997472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there was a puzzle to that too? < 1340425104 40432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't pay attention. < 1340425640 684694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Io for some reason
< 1340426428 355296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to try writing code for languages that interest me < 1340426433 600847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just... doing nothing < 1340427037 652269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better yet, write programs that interest you < 1340427074 947611 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something cool and stop obsessing over what tools you used to do it < 1340427392 51219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program do you want to write? < 1340428110 289622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340428119 751912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-251.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340428779 859902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i chose early on in life that my life would be about computer game software < 1340428945 817513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What computer game? < 1340429302 608544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1340429600 211888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your opinion that mathematics is the true reality? < 1340429726 613640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340429735 330239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340429929 166608 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1340430024 673401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i like to begin by categorizing events into good and bad, to demonstrate that inspite of my imagination bad things of all sorts happen... but also then stepping back and considering myself then as something which categorizes, which is itself a category < 1340430036 560097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its worth noting i don't know what category means in mathematical sense < 1340430100 957575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also know that my body will die, perhaps while doing one of these arbitrary categorizations < 1340430449 824337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that once you remove a daily routine of going into public each day, it does help you realize things.. it's a bit like the movie terminal < 1340430489 234382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality theres no invisible hand to save us if we get trapped by some flaw in societys logic < 1340430617 642795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Actually there is, it just doesn't work for atheists < 1340431070 448792 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340431119 400899 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340431385 534449 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340431775 15766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages other than Haskell that unify (or try to, at least) exceptions and error return values? < 1340432248 619024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions on what would be simple and efficient way to store the effect frames for each channel internally before converting them to patterns? < 1340432403 108400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just store each effect frame individually together with length if applicable, but that might be too long? < 1340432545 700464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it may be best to ask me about reality when i'm perhaps 10 years older, less depressed and more mentally stable. as it is i tend to freak out about once a day and prone to paranoia < 1340432850 382619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does that mean? < 1340432924 131344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe and Either are concrete return values that can be checked normally, but can also be treated like exceptions. < 1340432978 383573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if reality was safe, we wouldn't have so many safety devices and warning labels on everything. wander too far off the beaten track and theres no more of those < 1340432987 283221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { x <- Right 1; y <- Left "oops"; return (x + y) } -- And all that. < 1340432988 585332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "oops" < 1340433007 943377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you have exceptions they're type-checked by their nature. < 1340433117 96735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a lot of languages people argue about exceptions being unpredictable and return values being inconvenient and so on. < 1340433126 997270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do have the Maybe and Either monads (and Maybe is like Either () anyways). You get their Kleisli category of partial functions with error messages from that monad. < 1340433128 311148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether Haskell gives you the best or the worst of both worlds. :-) < 1340433137 568408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it's something. < 1340433160 979740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is that, it works well in the way you program it to work in the way you want it to work if it can be done with Haskell. < 1340433260 336292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think there should be Alternative and MonadPlus instance for Either; it would be the same as what my Alternative and MonadPlus instances would be for Free monad and my Alternative instance for Const, if you use (Free (Const x)) like (Either x) < 1340433274 557640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it also works with (Free Finalize) for Maybe < 1340433454 8926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Plus f => Plus (Free f) where { zero = Free zero; plus (Pure x) _ = Pure x; plus _ (Pure x) = Pure x; plus (Free x) (Free y) = Free (plus x y); }; < 1340433496 427222 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Is your opinion that mathematics is the true reality?" certainly mathematical analysis is available for every situation. it is in a sense inescapable much like the space-time continuum. < 1340433573 300598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the ultimate act of categorization is "what am i?" and "what do i need to be?" and if i am already what i need to be then the question is "why am i?" < 1340433722 782137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it is correct for me to ask why am i, is it correct for everyone to ask it? so then "why am i and why is everybody?" < 1340433783 725697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in asking these things though, the asker already knows that theres no answer to the question.. < 1340434384 73519 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340434996 122656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality can extend to culture too.. like we have some sense of a culture, akin to our primitive senses.. the whole concept of a "theme" < 1340435048 137215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a well-kept grandmothers house with lots of flowers on every piece of furnishing in site, and lots of sandwiches and tea and cookies being offered < 1340435150 766237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently in psychology they call such a thing a schema < 1340435263 64114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^such things schema < 1340435348 456365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .. to be fair i was asked the question. maybe a rant was not anticipated. i am done with it. i didn't mean to offend anyone. < 1340435456 989532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340435990 668493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever invented the word "Yeshuaism"? < 1340436681 78678 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340436801 870773 :luke3!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1340437410 16497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fascinating that everyone has unique fingerprints.. what does it mean zzo38? < 1340437495 46045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that we are our bodies, then we are also our fingerprints < 1340437577 580557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only means fingerprints are a kind of unique idenfication, that's all < 1340437755 848549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340437778 699581 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one positive thing about them is they are all equal < 1340437804 538970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a symbol of equality in diversity < 1340437821 768706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340437831 577723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1340437877 28371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That can be solved. < 1340437900 59076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With careful application of surgical techniques, one can have fingerprints removed. < 1340437915 194824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theres usually someone with the same first and surname as us.. someone with the same birthday as us. someone born in the same place as us. same blood type as us.. (although combined these elements do tend to make a unique id) < 1340437943 482827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only living "Josiah Worcester". < 1340437967 445 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340437968 33065 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was able to find a historical "Josiah Worcester". < 1340437968 358320 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340437974 442132 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340437979 934602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably me with a TARDIS. < 1340438015 563272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok uh.. suppose that uh.. there was a bfjoust-like thing except based on an interpretation of fingerprints < 1340438034 908902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that could be interesting < 1340438065 234493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for those people who don't have fingerprints.. well.. i don't know how to answer that < 1340438095 288417 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340438182 136363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I have written in the esolang list of ideas, one idea interpret the lines on your hand as a computer program; this can be done with fingerprints too. < 1340438203 185224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to have a fucking original idea these days eh < 1340438261 254504 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, afraid the originalium ore was all mined up. < 1340438668 519218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it is the Bob Profit Principle. < 1340438765 187891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: =)) you're the only result i get in google for "bob proffitt principle" < 1340438786 178702 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. more disturbingly you were addressing me then also < 1340438787 233445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because it isn't on Google. < 1340438806 512071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.07.30 08:52:07 itidus20: I have heard that being called the "Bob Proffitt Principle" < 1340438818 134773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this itself the principle in action? < 1340438862 682287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340438865 828499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it means i repeat myself < 1340438869 517999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340438891 756063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that since you probably are not the smartest person in the world (and maybe even if you are), if you have some idea, it is likely that other people have very similar ideas too. < 1340438910 127301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, i am great at independant discovery but I can't seem to actually think of anything which hasn't been thought of before < 1340438920 92550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340438957 678692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Most of my ideas are stupid And probably been done before < 1340438959 603615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes many people can discover/invent something independently, it seems espacially to be the case in mathematics. Including my ideas about mathematics, too. < 1340438962 604054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so, quite so < 1340438970 578496 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops sorry i read that wrong < 1340438976 148984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-s < 1340439012 944362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like mathematics? < 1340439043 422484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that i would like mathematics if only i saw it correctly < 1340439094 611870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what motivates mathematicians if infact noone sees mathematics correctly < 1340439114 997610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be the smartest person in the world but i can pick a 128-bit number that nobody else has ever picked before! < 1340439141 594054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to see mathematics correctly < 1340439147 375826 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to see mathematics incorrectly < 1340439158 793399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"food for itidus21thought" < 1340439160 49280 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, human endeavor is so broad that you hardly need to be a world-class genius to be original in *some* field < 1340439207 674851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well i think it helps to see numbers as abstractions of measurement (i don't know if this is so) and arithmetic as a means of manipulating those measurements < 1340439212 306198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes; I did not mean all ideas are very similar to others, I just mean that many will be. < 1340439287 464305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at the same time, i think numbers can be used to say like, red = 1, blue = 2, orange = 3, white = 4, violet = 5, green = 6 < 1340439288 488918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Not all mathematics is numbers and measurement! < 1340439418 715548 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340439447 693639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340439516 837041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340439593 748843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are so annoying that children leave their homes even at the cost of having to pay rent < 1340439632 584640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :) < 1340439697 5254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000s of days to be spent doing some tedious labour at a factory to pay the rent all to escape the annoyances of ones family < 1340439752 801755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :red = 1, green = 2, yellow = 3, blue = 4, magenta = 5, cyan = 6, white = 7 < 1340439802 202064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: does this mean being annoying "helps the economy" ? ? ? ? ? < 1340439808 280249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"food for itidus21thought" < 1340440038 711469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well, about seeing it correctly, a question is if i am counting am i using mathematics? :D < 1340440080 480020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is mathematics in this regard an analysis of counting :-? < 1340440090 646592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food for itidus21thought. < 1340440135 361568 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh monqy, i have to show you my turing machine some time < 1340440149 440198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: o < 1340440151 805666 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1340440213 256681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see my turing machine in action visit this TM simulator http://morphett.info/turing/turing.html and the pastebin has the necessary code and explanation http://pastebin.com/XJf4cPyd < 1340440222 167786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this is a more interesting input "....888.s..c..>.|..8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8....|...<...888.c.c...c." < 1340440498 724308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your word ! < 1340440515 737647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..! < 1340440628 434544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the insight i gained is that while brainfuck can peform the same computations as a turing machine, brainfuck's per-instruction manipulation of the tape itself cannot match a turing machine step for step < 1340440959 97670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck seems to replace write_symbol with increment_symbol/decrement_symbol. and read_symbol replaced with read_isblank. < 1340441140 113395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for comparing the state changing mechanism to the [ ] system, well thats not so trivial for me < 1340441877 950742 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340441887 343170 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340442641 512143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to have closed classes and automatic classes in Haskell (or Ibtlfmm)? Automatic classes are a generalization of closed classes. In Haskell, it might be done by a TH function usable in a class declaration and having the type: ([Type] -> Q (Maybe [Dec])) -> Q [Dec] < 1340442840 65412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340443036 934377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340443188 407698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340443369 962093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the insight i gained is that while brainfuck can peform the same computations as a turing machine, brainfuck's per-instruction manipulation of the tape itself cannot match a turing machine step for step < 1340443464 718203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i was going to say that's why my minimal TM brainfuck proof uses 3 cells instead of just 2, but that's more a comparison with minsky machines. < 1340444356 515 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340444428 761121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You can convert from (finite-cell) brainfuck to TM easily by making the bf program pointer value equal the TM state number. Something like http://sprunge.us/ZgOY (untested). < 1340444452 769702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in the NTCM syntax.) < 1340445783 400107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gah noise < 1340445943 773107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340446412 464749 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340447115 440279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340447127 447053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340448268 756687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1340448362 82823 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings < 1340449622 670225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "monqyfacts plz" < 1340449645 281247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just make up interesting facts on command ! < 1340449661 313188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thats monqy fact #1) < 1340449666 878555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- monqy) < 1340449682 891545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1340449684 150522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #2 is that that's monqy fact #1, btw < 1340449693 506384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that monqy fact #3? < 1340449697 329650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340449701 135143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1340449705 506364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no end < 1340449707 690954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other monqy facts? < 1340449710 311763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340449716 958200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance: monqy fact #4 < 1340449741 25397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1340449782 239470 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there are 4 monqy facts" < 1340449793 175993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have: < 1340449795 992192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqyadvice" < 1340449806 615887 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy advice: < 1340449813 131006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't asl about monqy fact #5 < 1340449816 111131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't exist < 1340449824 389227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a bad idea to ask about things that don't exist < 1340449826 177188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do it < 1340449830 564291 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : - monqy advice < 1340449838 334867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's monqy fact #6? < 1340449844 441449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1340449848 459864 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1340449851 869906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH OH < 1340449856 861761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does #6 exist? < 1340449860 694865 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340449866 863446 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only four monqy facts !!! < 1340449867 946981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1340449886 797069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to explode now? < 1340449891 30608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340449897 4216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340449901 385462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want more facts you can make up a "shachaf facts" or something < 1340449901 893004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry monqy" < 1340449907 950735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh! < 1340449917 751170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tell me a "shachaffacts" < 1340449929 636655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you, shachaf, can "shachaf facts" < 1340449936 293892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, if you want explosions, you can explode upon exhaustion of "shachaf facts" < 1340449947 851350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode to your heart's desire < 1340449948 271214 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1340449949 173119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1340449951 331903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #7: there are more than 20 monqy facts < 1340449951 959778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't desire it < 1340449953 923118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to you < 1340449956 159461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: o < 1340449960 642322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie < 1340449967 367824 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy lies #1 is that < 1340449968 609661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #7 is a lie? < 1340449995 664281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monqy lies #1 but misnumbered < 1340450005 180346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :'( < 1340450016 809836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what:'(s monqy lies #2 :'( < 1340450032 222857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy lies #2 is "the number of monqy lies is greater than two" < 1340450061 266541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what:'(s monqy lies #4 < 1340450069 655595 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't exist!!!! < 1340450074 524549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO < 1340450148 753666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command! < 1340450156 344208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #2 the text "monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command!" is fact #1 < 1340450161 500316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #3 fact the text "the text "monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command!" is fact #1" is fact #2 < 1340450163 525273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) is the scariest smiley. < 1340450165 742197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: DUDE NO < 1340450167 154942 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4 there are 4 facts < 1340450172 243136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's THE STARE. < 1340450178 588831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340450189 533381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i made typo in #3 < 1340450196 873138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: #2 is that monqy fact #1 is that monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command < 1340450203 712629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a text can't be a fact < 1340450229 268102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340450246 73058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm new to this < 1340450388 604459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm starting to break through the math notations. < 1340450425 257639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my time in this room may be paying off in the long term < 1340450600 393262 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340451591 196063 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340451749 175804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340451788 80546 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-85.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340452489 44293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340452500 217950 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340453527 27009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340453760 157882 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.158.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340453995 289638 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.158.148 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340454310 808040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google didn't use a proper TM control mechanism for the doodle :/ < 1340454323 310972 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340454353 64782 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 QUIT :Client Quit < 1340454366 746052 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what? < 1340454369 364551 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340454396 883335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doodle? < 1340454425 603651 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TM as originally defined doesn't have an instruction list like the doodle does, it has a FSM with tape operations. < 1340454440 555773 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, google.com, click the tape. < 1340454455 878143 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti is probably using something like lynx < 1340454460 434436 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 < 1340454492 447266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry nortti, you're only missing the chance to criticize something < 1340454493 404632 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That instruction list is a FSM < 1340454495 669988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bit limited < 1340454499 423180 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps to make it more accessible. < 1340454499 621477 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I usually use google wit my s_google shell script < 1340454518 243309 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, it's dumbed down for the casuals. < 1340454542 419501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: to celebrate alan turing's 100th birthday, google put up a small TM-based quiz on their homepage < 1340454543 639273 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that less than 5% of the people who see it understand what it is without googling it < 1340454546 622083 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's niche enough :P < 1340454647 951608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a great deal less than 5% < 1340454671 250101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe no < 1340454679 134861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 5% is realistic < 1340454686 337898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5% is not realistic. < 1340454699 478404 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programmers have no idea how a TM works. < 1340454709 231236 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most mathematicians have no idea how a TM works. < 1340454721 190678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how i ended up down this rabbit hole.
< 1340454730 338385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how he ended up down this rabbit hole.
< 1340454783 287491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel probably has one of the highest concentrations of people who know how a TM works, and I'm not sure how many here actually know how a TM works. < 1340454815 506313 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1340454822 590070 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 5% by using the Steson-Harrison method so < 1340454827 193156 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a lot less. < 1340454833 970078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh hey I made a non-halting machine. < 1340454847 893944 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1340454894 642502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'l' in the second round of puzzles. < 1340455007 846721 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Quit: 　 < 1340455149 240419 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? it doesn't work in hv3. is the TM written in js? < 1340455167 613772 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340455196 644105 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. google still gives me static version even if I use hv3 with js enabled < 1340455220 236843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: believe me sir i understand why you feel a need to see it < 1340455231 71153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it is a pithy nothing < 1340455256 835034 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you could try using a graphical browser, but I suspect you have some objection or other to that. < 1340455279 593766 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1340455301 358495 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hv3 is graphical browser with js support. even links2 is graphical < 1340455335 219501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded 225mb worth of japanese game manuals (11 or them) for the neo geo game console, just to see them < 1340455412 764848 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340455413 876279 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-85.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340455436 661275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other worse, i'm a conservative user of internet bandwidth, unlike anyone streaming video constantly < 1340455466 554655 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1340455675 988744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in that case, a mainstream browser, but you definitely will have some objection or other to that. < 1340455774 31800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an amazing reward for completing the doodle, though: a search for "Alan Turing". < 1340455791 889604 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bon echo mainstream enough? < 1340455889 904959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I got a static version on the N900 browser too, even though it's a Gecko-based thing that certainly should be capable of running it. < 1340455937 300183 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it works by detecting user agent or something stupid < 1340455940 184967 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it was mainstream. < 1340455986 479899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'm tired of this game, do you have any actual reason not to just point the latest Firefox or Chromium at it. < 1340456032 572878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. running out of RAM on browser startup and swap thrashing that slows it to unusable speed < 1340456055 876438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, you have ~no RAM. < 1340456085 398195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember what point you were trying to prove. < 1340456091 622325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i understand your predicament < 1340456133 749723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent real time searching though google for the japanese manual or the nintendo famicom game "super mario usa" < 1340456148 802066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^for < 1340456157 341912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a game? < 1340456175 554433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. known in the west as "super mario bros. 2" < 1340456175 807857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user agent for the N900 browser is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3pre) Gecko/20100723 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900" which I would think should look mainstream enough. < 1340456186 325096 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340456200 563119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released it in japan as "super mario usa" < 1340456241 112682 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Adblock messes up Acid3. < 1340456264 202411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: there is something i can do though to help! < 1340456291 81457 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario 15,2★★★1,15 U 15,4 S 1,15 A  FUCK YEAH < 1340456294 329934 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340456351 549421 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what? < 1340456353 993307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/chromium-acid.png well that was a poor showing. < 1340456375 993677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, it's an impressive 100/100, but it's not quite like the reference image. < 1340456383 311406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: click this pic http://oi50.tinypic.com/5cbw2x.jpg < 1340456415 322314 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats roughly what it looks like.. < 1340456430 967951 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I suggest you install Chromium, all websites runs mighty fine on it. < 1340456432 129565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interacting is to toggle the yellow buttons between a few states < 1340456438 734484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then click the green button < 1340456447 551039 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it should run smoothly on a modern system with at least 4GB of RAM and a recent processor < 1340456453 812707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now your curiosity might be relieved.. and you don't need to load it < 1340456490 254698 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: yeah. the swap trashing even on midori was so horrible I am not installing that bloatware < 1340456504 660992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: are you able to view jpeg links? < 1340456511 439114 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340456512 868224 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Maybe you don't have enough RAM. < 1340456524 340963 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The fact that you even have to ask that is sad. < 1340456530 431987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a screenshot of the page in question.. its the most i can do :-D < 1340456545 170687 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: oh really? I have 64MB of RAM < 1340456564 53737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a 71kb image < 1340456583 834983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think you may not be able to call modern software 'bloatware' when your system has decade-old specs. < 1340456589 915003 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm sorry but that's below the minimum requirements of modern life. < 1340456590 113870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :914px × 576px < 1340456602 612963 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Remember that it's much bigger uncompressed < 1340456621 841556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: good point < 1340456656 879142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my graphics card(which my brother gave to me as a kind birthday present this year) has 1gb of ram < 1340456670 124485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help but be amused by 64mb ram < 1340456687 718554 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4GB of RAM costs under £20. < 1340456732 135309 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: don't have 64 millibits of RAM < 1340456732 706346 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's OK to play with retro stuff < 1340456736 763246 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be a lot of fun < 1340456742 382681 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't honestly expect everybody else to play along < 1340456749 158743 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not 1996 anymore. < 1340456755 88302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, playing with it is great fun. Using it as your primary system? < 1340456765 630156 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro? this is only 12 years old for gods sake < 1340456788 666036 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My neighbour did use his Acorn Archimedes up til a few years ago, but he really only used it for word processing. < 1340456790 712018 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is retro. < 1340456813 117339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hey fun fact, computer hardware has a short life-cycle! < 1340456826 89133 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there's this thing called 'Moore's Law'? < 1340456866 521648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still. I can call my 18 year old server retro but this T20 isn't < 1340456876 850245 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1340456884 953529 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get to decide what words mean. < 1340456902 151837 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the definition of retro then? < 1340456933 491340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. retro -- (a fashion reminiscent of the past) < 1340456936 611841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1340456937 733217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a dictionary. < 1340456938 146320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn retro < 1340456939 533284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "retro" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1340456939 732958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro < 1340456939 733109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: affecting things past; "retroactive tax increase"; "an < 1340456939 733219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ex-post-facto law"; "retro pay" [syn: {ex post facto}, < 1340456939 733324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {retroactive}, {retro}] < 1340456941 495776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a fashion reminiscent of the past < 1340456953 419082 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even a dictionary does not reflect vernacular usage. < 1340456958 685719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot *is* a dictionary. < 1340457001 127942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "T20" is that? < 1340457011 916504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the ThinkPad sort of T20? < 1340457017 734544 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340457021 563855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the cricket sort. < 1340457027 128678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should come with 128 MB standard. < 1340457030 673824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been shortcharged. < 1340457049 942470 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. this is taken from dumpster < 1340457061 513753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in that case you can't complain. < 1340457076 474363 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :64MB was biggest PC100 stick I could find < 1340457128 404194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT doesn't have more than one slot? According to specs, you could fill it up to 512 MB officially. < 1340457153 427280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recognizes up to 512 MB of addressable memory in models with the Mobile Pentium III processor. Memory options up to 256 MB SDRAM SODIMMs each can be added in the two available slots for memory expansion." < 1340457177 271831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other slot is damaged < 1340457179 840078 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340457195 588714 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't recognise RAM in there < 1340457205 335733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No wonder it was in a dumpster. < 1340457250 118884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not get a bigger stick? < 1340457261 517783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:12 < nortti> 64MB was biggest PC100 stick I could find < 1340457306 28197 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say 'find' I assume you mean 'find in the dumpster'. < 1340457327 920024 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340457338 179818 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at used computer store < 1340457344 369526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course. < 1340457368 923714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I hope you do something nice with the £20 or so you've saved. < 1340457381 560116 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had no ram and no hd when it was thrown in there < 1340457409 337237 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme guess, the HD is... hmm, 4GB? < 1340457409 536053 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is my most powerful computer... < 1340457416 192943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money have you invested in this computer? < 1340457420 852491 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :30GB HD < 1340457453 603990 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2 euros for ram sticks and 4 euros for HD (from friend) < 1340457520 433757 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile for €20 you could get a Raspberry Pi with better specs. < 1340457528 265720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it would be awesome./ < 1340457580 468047 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raspi has slower CPU (or so I am told) < 1340457655 11776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH you might actually be able to run... well, something on it. < 1340457688 854213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. f they get decent RISC OS port I'll buy one < 1340457693 908647 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1340457822 407918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser. < 1340457827 580061 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340457832 657032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/modern/mainstream/ or whatever. < 1340457861 520144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey now, RISC OS has the original Elite. < 1340457865 673605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340457866 873023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's a Firefox 2 port, too. < 1340457885 360689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no it doesn't, it has like Archimedes Elite. < 1340457891 487989 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bon echo runs on it and I might be able to port my bit updated fork of gecko 1.8 to it < 1340457907 71974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is even the deal with Firefox versions? I remember when 2.6 was A Big Deal and now it's up to 13.) < 1340457923 971059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no firefox 2.6 < 1340457948 432601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had to catch up Chrome is what I think is the deal. < 1340457956 558207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, sorry, why isn't the thing called Firefox 2.6 actually Firefox 2.6? < 1340457969 774422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's marketing < 1340457981 366840 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is 2.6? or do you mean 3.6? < 1340458018 342782 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I was thinking of 3.5 < 1340458018 578238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox probably has more users than linux < 1340458028 645791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so marketing is a big deal :D < 1340458031 150944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's now six weeks per major Firefox version, it's just their scheme. < 1340458048 246832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease and all that. < 1340458057 85495 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that firefox's versioning went to hell after 3 < 1340458133 22966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that the godfather II set the precident for numbered sequals in hollywood < 1340458154 29278 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340458202 700714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they called the sequal of "the godfather" as "the godfather II" < 1340458214 203842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^sequel < 1340458264 254746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up until then apparently hollywood had been conciously avoiding numbered sequels < 1340458269 645919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340458309 590476 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340458521 310249 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still call firefox 3 Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser. < 1340459597 324304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ has an HTML 5 parser and does CSS. < 1340459609 810427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly not JS. < 1340459639 865653 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsurf is nice browser. if I'd only get the framebuffer version to build < 1340459699 585134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a given monqy fact can address itself or another given monqy fact! < 1340459723 95529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : how come i get the interactive doodle but my friend gets just a simple logo <-- I checked on a phone and all I got was a simple logo < 1340459733 396113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so maybe he was using a different browser? < 1340459745 318023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Or timezones, perhaps. < 1340459760 316193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they were on the same connection < 1340459784 956652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres probably some autistic savants who if they numbered lines in their conversations could talk very efficiently < 1340459856 846792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13:23:42: Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser. < 1340459863 692104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you looking for an old browser? < 1340459877 495603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use lynx or something? < 1340459878 343234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why are you responding to a quote out of context and assuming context for it? < 1340459887 551026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read the line below as well < 1340459928 749204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if the context was wrong, okay, whatever < 1340459971 893617 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < Phantom_Hoover> Meanwhile for â– 20 you could get a Raspberry Pi with better specs. < 1340459974 898142 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < Phantom_Hoover> Also it would be awesome./ < 1340459977 397857 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20 < nortti> raspi has slower CPU (or so I am told) < 1340459979 902272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21 < Phantom_Hoover> OTOH you might actually be able to run... well, something on it. < 1340459982 904321 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22 < nortti> well yeah. f they get decent RISC OS port I'll buy one < 1340459985 419783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22 < nortti> *if < 1340459987 936071 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:24 < fizzie> Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser. < 1340459993 660278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : â– 20? < 1340460007 646373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right < 1340460024 774448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nortti's computer hasn't the RAM to display Unicode. < 1340460024 973718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is [black box unicode char]20? < 1340460029 181334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thus it is modern bloatware. < 1340460030 105196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lol < 1340460034 449682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340460063 873521 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually fbcon just doesn't handle some chars that well < 1340460085 489799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy facts an esolang < 1340460088 240000 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: it should be < 1340460108 191028 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340460121 438417 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340460172 341667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be < 1340460192 164131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to resemble forth < 1340460201 166582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't used forth so i can't really say that < 1340460238 1819 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy facts use postfix notation? < 1340460292 159401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monqy facts language basically consists of building a list of monqy facts < 1340460295 157344 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-149-101.eurotel.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340460345 849559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, how do I pull the SMS off a nokia non-smart-phone (dumb phone?) < 1340460364 566488 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nokia suite? < 1340460376 120434 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it renamed ovi suite < 1340460382 738327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm on linux < 1340460419 463418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all I have is bluetooth, might be able to find a mini-USB somewhere though < 1340460436 12591 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you are screwed < 1340460436 211113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pulled the contacts over bluetooth easily on Linux < 1340460441 28046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340460481 361400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my desktop that dual boots to windows has 64-bit windows 7. This phone predates windows vista. Chances of working drivers for 64-bit? Slim. < 1340460506 536059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. google TM might require html5 support < 1340460552 14136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone has that nowdays < 1340460562 457092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it's such a trivial thing though.. it's not a TM simulator < 1340460563 437792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is a mobile browser < 1340460584 167607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a 6 stage quiz < 1340460595 145291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool i admit that < 1340460601 361529 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants one of those Touch Book things that run Risc OS.
< 1340460612 704347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is doing /something/ < 1340460617 154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of drivers installing < 1340460668 310543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to have nokia suite for 64-bit windows. Well that went better than I expected < 1340460706 406713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol this phone has mini-usb but doesn't charge over mini-usb? < 1340460707 819018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1340460802 785470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Sil's manual is fancy as heck. < 1340460811 106475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is Sil? < 1340460816 668004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/ < 1340460846 780564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340460847 982949 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! The spider that's been hiding inside the keyboard has finally emerged... < 1340460866 466975 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-183-165.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340460871 328272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly looks appealing < 1340460891 971926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a new roguelike that is supposedly very good. < 1340460892 835497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it is an angband fork? < 1340460918 34260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions Angband on the website < 1340460918 233101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but it completely replaces huge swathes of the mechanics, and heavily discourages the standard grinding and so on. < 1340460923 492646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340460927 532041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, um, Angband is a thing in Tolkein. < 1340460931 746218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tolkien < 1340460933 145349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angband < 1340460933 649904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know < 1340460940 226780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also one of very few games that stays true to the writings of Tolkien. Carefully researched, it dispenses with many generic fantasy tropes and reveals a different world. There are no wizards or priests, no platemail or magical scrolls. Instead, it is the Norse Saga inspired world that Tolkien imagined, with warriors clad in shining mail, singing songs of rage or sorrow as they slay. The magic of the world is subtle yet powerful: there are < 1340460940 423739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :songs of fear and of binding, rather than spells of fireball and teleportation." < 1340460941 166596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is also angband the roguelike < 1340460954 272507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it still ASCII graphics? Because that manual seems way too fancy for that < 1340460965 742574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's screenshots right there on the page, you know. < 1340460978 966438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no tiles but I think he wants to make an existing Angband tileset or work or something. < 1340460990 227608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Minecraft, you can forge your own artefacts! < 1340461020 675744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, further down < 1340461090 355380 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever play Legend of the Red Dragon II: New World? < 1340461101 105801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of game is that? < 1340461121 50227 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multi-player BBS door game, slightly roguelike. < 1340461122 430505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Also despite the windowed mode screenshots, it does in fact compile and run in a terminal on Linux.) < 1340461156 883150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340461205 980996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a nice tutorial thing. < 1340461213 317491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a roguelike with isometric tiles. Avernum style. There is nothing in the concept of roguelike that says it has to be ASCII graphics. < 1340461230 228144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See Vulture's Eye. < 1340461237 350820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its predecessor, Falcon's Eye. < 1340461260 783433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, like all tiles versions they're harder to play and less aesthetically pleasing than glyphs. < 1340461264 14262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was that the nethack based thing? < 1340461269 644186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340461279 58936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text on the Sil page does sound like the words of a man possessed by his work < 1340461282 397547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Falcon's Eye didn't work very well < 1340461293 518949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the cool thing about Sil I've heard is that you get exp from just seeng monsters, not only fighting them, and also for reaching new depths, etc. So it's feasible to play a pacifist diving game. < 1340461320 878202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the tiles were too big in Falcon's Eye. Avernum have really small ones. Not sure about the exact size but less than a tenth of Falcon's Eye's tiles I would say < 1340461325 514121 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah even i noticed that... on one of the screenshots.. thats mind blowing < 1340461401 740740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still not even close to the type of games i play but i can tell that it's cool < 1340461448 845871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Encountering another would be worth 26 experience. Killing one would be worth 80." < 1340461851 518759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NetSurf is kind of why I changed 'modern' to 'mainstream'. < 1340461862 576802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1340461867 721259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't notice. :( < 1340461873 937304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Im sory. < 1340461894 949043 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340461957 86231 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340462455 322333 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340462483 985290 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340462807 139442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Secondly the code is extremely complicated, toady has a Ph.D in mathematics." -- redditor, on DF. < 1340462972 545692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340463305 481790 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340463343 157488 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340463508 449411 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-183-165.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340464089 932276 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340465541 460956 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340466122 74084 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://madebyevan.com/webgl-path-tracing/ < 1340466328 914816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Errrr, are you Martin Unzner? < 1340466336 856481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1340466348 51117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the .fi in your domain, I'm gonna go with "no" < 1340466372 704507 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Is your version of C2BF up somewhere? < 1340466475 891644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who;s martin unzner < 1340466489 515658 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Somebody who just emailed a patch to C2BF to me. < 1340466492 217626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went "lolwut" < 1340467328 434871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340467897 411694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340468163 702128 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65.128.161.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340468285 96307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340468344 992277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '∙' < 1340468346 302242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8729 < 1340468349 207329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the UTF-8 encoding of that? thx < 1340468351 435532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you may also apply < 1340468352 728861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also you < 1340468358 298563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably in hex! < 1340468453 119207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11100010 10001000 10011001 < 1340468455 427433 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hex it yourself. < 1340468462 629432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk >:( < 1340468469 901707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b11100010 -> hex < 1340468489 148397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e2 < 1340468496 271609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1340468496 933289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1340468497 364586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1340468501 163125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is it really three bytes < 1340468505 520766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b10001000 -> hex < 1340468515 28158 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 < 1340468515 863312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10011001 -> hex < 1340468525 637869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :98c179 < 1340468530 17007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help < 1340468532 846064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you lying to me < 1340468549 669806 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wut the hell X-D < 1340468553 388163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you forgot 0b < 1340468553 955060 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b10011001 -> hex < 1340468561 935373 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 < 1340468578 773444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340468591 397678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xe2\x88\x99 < 1340468592 631350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx Gregor < 1340468604 860721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've been able to do that yourself ;) < 1340468606 78346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another bogey! < 1340468611 956246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 8729 -> binary < 1340468621 605264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10001000011001 < 1340468631 322215 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then split it by groups of 6 from the right < 1340468637 490457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 001000 011001 < 1340468642 532816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add UTF-8 prefixes < 1340468650 66579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11100010 10001000 10011001 < 1340468669 899747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340468756 558328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0b isn't a lot of work but i wonder if one day numbers will be more complicated < 1340468807 592321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_base#Base_.E2.88.921.C2.B1i < 1340468810 505219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like depending on the size of a number, changes it's default base encoding < 1340468840 58826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking on a different tangent but i may as well clikc this link! < 1340468882 721068 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my c2bf is not available anywhere. I'd like to include his patch if he agrees to license it under ISC/MIT/BSD/CC0/WTFPL license < 1340468907 465490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, as a single license? < 1340468940 603727 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those. my fork is under ISC < 1340468956 38276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a small patch, but I'd rather see your version become accessible first ;) < 1340468972 410496 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340468991 307319 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get it to github < 1340469033 34170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial_number_system ? < 1340469051 15319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill click that in a second.. but what i am proposing is truely fucked up < 1340469095 511380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : x=1 xx=10 xxx=11 xxxx=4 xxxxx=5 xxx xxx=6 xxxx xxx=7 xxxx xxxx=8 xxxxx xxxx=9 xxxxx xxxxx=A x xxxxx xxxxx=B xx xxxxx xxxxx=12 < 1340469123 865373 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340469187 486635 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok maybe that is like that < 1340469505 314150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically though, using a sequence of digits without specifying the base, the only rule being that a sequence of digits maps to only one numeric value < 1340469538 760051 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13133F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340469564 509600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'm going to say that is actually stupid. < 1340469586 13085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to explicitly define a new sequence of digits for each number < 1340469777 714179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=1 xx=10 xxx=11 xxxx=1111 xxxxx=5 xxx xxx=6 xxxx xxx=21 xxxx xxxx=8 xxxxx xxxx=9 xxxxx xxxxx=A < 1340469804 546077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's indeed stupid. < 1340470033 309169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pretty much rules out induction < 1340470043 317008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And limits you to a finite number of numbers < 1340470050 122753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't absolutely have to be arbitrary < 1340470066 859104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, the only rule is that they're unique < 1340470108 270815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1340470122 208492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.. < 1340470133 69300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime numbers can be in hexadecimal! < 1340470139 565282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was just silly, that would be okay < 1340470143 850102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1340470149 55574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's arbitrary, it's useless < 1340470171 334269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. < 1340470181 365162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1340470221 873203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340470235 274535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a number is a prime number in both decimal and hexadecimal... then its digits are to be interpreted as-- this aint gonna work < 1340470250 836899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that would be an interesting set of numbers! < 1340470264 695751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, 3, 5, 7 < 1340470267 210822 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1340470275 391554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1340470283 293465 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 < 1340470286 977410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 19, though < 1340470305 259466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i couldn't make an encoding rule out of that trivially < 1340470312 227186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :29? < 1340470314 253588 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is in itself a fascinating sequence < 1340470325 71184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, after 17 the next is 29 < 1340470339 865046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mfix < 1340470341 229380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (MonadFix m) => (a -> m a) -> m a < 1340470344 633619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tell < 1340470346 234886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall w (m :: * -> *). (MonadWriter w m) => w -> m () < 1340470370 192775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> execWriter $ mfix (\x -> tell [1] >> return x) < 1340470371 437757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1] < 1340470394 754508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useless is that? < 1340470412 296896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well um < 1340470415 40011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually use the result < 1340470451 212226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is _|_, I think < 1340470460 999741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix < 1340470461 659335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus < 1340470575 465196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Writer [Int] mfix < 1340470575 947002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over. < 1340470586 594126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix WriterT < 1340470587 113400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You untyped fool! < 1340470594 298558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src WriterT mfix < 1340470594 841874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive. < 1340470597 331116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help src < 1340470597 719709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1340470725 889392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix WriterT w m < 1340470726 503213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1340470728 638514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfix m = WriterT $ mfix $ \ ~(a, _) -> runWriterT (m a) < 1340470732 637461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it is < 1340470855 925802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A103144 < 1340470874 171844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang they sure do have a sequence for everything < 1340470885 452035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340470897 126860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota programs which do not halt < 1340471012 505885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for trees where the data is in the leaves rather than the branches? < 1340471029 761672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data LeafTree a = Node a | Branch [LeafTree a] < 1340471055 419128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that type is a Monad, btw < 1340471071 542919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's Free [], I believe < 1340471078 409920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340471091 939523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas a branch tree is Cofree [] < 1340471095 689432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node < 1340471097 84914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Forest a -> Tree a < 1340471126 351899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's Tree seems to have it in the branches < 1340471136 600819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's Data.Tree < 1340471159 502804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Cofree? so a comonad? < 1340471163 859021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340471169 933703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually know Cofree but guesses so
< 1340471183 346468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data Cofree f a = a :< f (Cofree f a) < 1340471289 975776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Maybe is non-empty lists? < 1340471301 886088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1340471310 624290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Identity is infinite streams < 1340471331 543253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I read that as coffee first < 1340471331 742516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Zero is Maybe < 1340471342 769632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is it < 1340471349 372428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Zero a = Zero? < 1340471351 868713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340471363 700558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd call it Proxy) < 1340471372 985337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Zero is Identity < 1340471386 186249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Zero, that was wrong < 1340471402 504032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy, then < 1340471405 239912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that < 1340471414 290326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Zero; < 1340471421 865439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that Void? < 1340471428 831139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero is Void < 1340471431 397918 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1340471431 743318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is () < 1340471433 949628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two is Bool < 1340471434 619732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by zzo38's terminology, maybe i should try not to absorb that :P < 1340471435 753329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1340471456 628896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus is Either, right? < 1340471458 698107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three is Ordering < 1340471464 963543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Times is (,)? < 1340471482 303848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Power is -> < 1340471504 709417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right on the edge of my comprehension, I'm gonna brb and think about that < 1340471550 665249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Succ is Maybe < 1340471553 129750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: think of the cardinality < 1340471563 380709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many functions A -> B are there, given the size of A is x and the size of B is why < 1340471570 193123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(consider A = Ordering, B = Bool, and so on) < 1340471571 948933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also ignore _|_) < 1340471657 710768 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1340471702 746965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now :) < 1340471962 496558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody answered my question :/ < 1340472156 444877 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt68KHKrBjU < 1340472169 200123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baptists do not fear getting their trousers soaked, apparently. < 1340472232 181531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, there's a sale at IKEA < 1340472280 457807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carl Full Immersion Baptism Baptismal Service Baptisms Baptise Baptists Baptize < 1340472316 531775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone doesn't know how to use tags < 1340472378 229987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if he was too tall and banged his head < 1340472379 482130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1340473595 48415 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340474000 272757 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, calamari < 1340474019 814986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1340474050 595107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a name for tree structures where the data is stored in the leaves rather than the branches? < 1340474065 785637 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1340474128 730377 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't data usually stored in both? < 1340474260 548357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1340474550 362532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340474586 636823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you know if there is a name for tree structures where data is stored in the leaves rather than the branches? < 1340474846 844188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell me < 1340474947 911436 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to know? < 1340475087 655148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know. But if it is binary tree, then data stored in leaves would be (Free ((->) Bool)) and data stored in branches would be (Cofree ((->) Bool)), I think. < 1340475116 916603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340475124 927920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: what if he was too tall and banged his head < 1340475132 516695 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he is blessed with a concussion < 1340475214 396794 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is there a specific town in GB that brits make jokes about? < 1340475507 677725 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call hexham the eso state and often make brainfuck jokes about it. < 1340476196 23298 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way to sum an array of floats? Maybe remove the smallest two and put their sum in the array until only one is left? < 1340476322 451914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340476328 566543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340476339 69717 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: not really towns, just a few cities and regions. < 1340476343 759276 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb :-) < 1340476373 876579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finger Tree, I think, is an example of what I've been asking about < 1340476413 670790 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, leaves is Free []; branches is Cofree [] < 1340476434 831619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, that is the multiple branches tree < 1340476442 437513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340476456 25235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the (->) Bool works as a binary one < 1340476476 491004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340476864 579397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm starting to actually learn something < 1340476899 526603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1340476905 71784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340476908 702677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you learning < 1340476931 3726 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. i have thought up a really bizzare thing < 1340476949 123828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340476964 483114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerous questions in my mind abound.. < 1340477038 47517 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)does it already exist? 2)is it patented? a lot? i always dislike patents. 3)is it too similar to anything? < 1340477047 722062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the usual questions of direness < 1340477061 279466 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: can You give an example? < 1340477157 340465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ahh.. well i have done enough reading for today about random things.. my brain probably needs a rest < 1340477165 388563 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i am thinking about making coffee < 1340477180 817961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real or instant? < 1340477186 936620 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant < 1340477199 592097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok ill just tell you my idea < 1340477258 591354 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: Essex: easy girls, Norfolk: inbred, Somerset: cider drinking farmers, Wales: sheep shaggers < 1340477291 556168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dislike patents a lot < 1340477299 118544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hook up a virtual animation studio to a FSA < 1340477308 621335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_, Glasgow: murderous murderers < 1340477342 64913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, your stereotypes seem quite southern < 1340477342 924243 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this is infact just a dumb version of mugen... it might be :P < 1340477434 530995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)place a cel 2)remove a cel 3)draw on a cel(including drawing nothing) 4)move a cel 5)change the z-layer of a cel 6)photograph the scene < 1340477562 442634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y <- cel position(cel #), x <- cel z-layer(cel #), x <- cel drawing(cel #), list of cels <- cels at point(x,y), list of cels <- cels in rect(x1,y1,x2,y2) < 1340477576 515779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that list of cels bit < 1340477583 7611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a good reason for it < 1340477598 557013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, hey what's the Edinburgh stereotype. < 1340477640 45630 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking all these things and connecting them to a FSA and producing a series of "photographs" < 1340477939 921102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :place a cel at 50,50 -> draw frame 1 on cel 1 -> photograph -> move cel 1 to 55,50 -> draw frame 2 on cel 1 -> photograph < 1340477942 596266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lots of bagpipes < 1340477957 134232 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340477962 774847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not a stereotype that's just an observation < 1340477968 484018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1340477980 933518 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't think of anything specific to Edinburgh. < 1340477982 624463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilts? < 1340478000 89595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only really on formal occasions or on the goddamn bagpipers. < 1340478016 142433 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh is only stereotypically Scottish when convenient. < 1340478017 827904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> place a cel at 55,50 -> draw frame hat on cel 2 -> photograph < 1340478035 661904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer < 1340478043 330110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not like Glasgow at all < 1340478070 415251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> move cel 1 to 60,50 -> move cel 2 to 60,50 -> photograph < 1340478078 292811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1340478081 411217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :846) Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1340478096 620783 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hating Glasgow is my schtick! < 1340478098 21742 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine! < 1340478109 555565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fight crime < 1340478113 193491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :661) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. < 1340478126 20126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all miiiiine < 1340478151 909391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote glasgow < 1340478155 14955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :498) Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 661) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. \ 846) Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1340478274 275836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my system places and removes cels much like a TM writes on a tape, thus it is quite possibly turing complete except obviously theres been no details of what the FSA consists of < 1340478301 732478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1340478303 147343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1340478312 481338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been addressing the individual cels.. < 1340478323 762571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but although they could have infinite addresses < 1340478403 150138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.. it matters not < 1340478748 430834 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340478827 138058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell of the "tape" would have 3 elements X x Y x Drawing, all set to 0 by default < 1340478949 186104 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the z-order could simply be the order of the cels on the tape < 1340478955 822938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glasgow? Did they invent GHC? < 1340479068 304453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340479120 793782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They < 1340479272 882783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for this picture, http://0.tqn.com/d/webclipart/1/5/Q/p/4/Chair-on-beach.jpg my tape encoding would be something like ...[blank][blank]^[background][umbrella][chair][blank][blank]... < 1340479329 271859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would draw the cells from the tapehead rightwards until it got to the last non-blank < 1340479408 576251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; i'm insane and my parents only had 2 children. what a legacy < 1340479494 222353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm reinventing the display list rather awkwardly < 1340479605 693049 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: see you after few weeks < 1340479616 703397 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340479626 700273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i'm onto something here < 1340480245 362596 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340480560 268331 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13133F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901] < 1340480952 173444 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His family members include his parents[...], and his sister" -- WP article on Christopher Paolini. < 1340481050 559509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not his brother, that black sheep. < 1340481058 464540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340481059 962029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the alternative would be more disturbing < 1340481070 844750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made my instant coffee < 1340481085 928248 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christopher Paolini was birthed from the infinite flux of chaos. < 1340481099 512767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you need to record it or something, it doesn't work as text. < 1340481112 517311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340481149 447181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like, saying it in an unsettling voice on youtube? < 1340481162 567544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340481167 51213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is precisely what I mean. < 1340481181 928744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a try-hard would do that < 1340481189 19250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wear a darth vader suit < 1340481242 801831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1340481246 797087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I finaly got to see google TM using opera mobile < 1340481251 979817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have such a suit, but i could point yonder in a distinguished manner. < 1340481536 573290 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340481809 586340 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM? < 1340481816 247866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM! < 1340481846 123567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1340481887 681135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if alan turing might make it onto epic rap battles of history after this google drawing attention to him < 1340481925 773010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i would not pay much attention < 1340481934 803776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont often pay attention to google celebrations < 1340482077 595674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You know, Google(TM). < 1340482282 511078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait peter serafinowicz is doing an iama < 1340482300 325498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet ask me anything? < 1340482321 251574 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: turing machine < 1340482390 526743 :const!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1340482420 386803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that. < 1340482431 259676 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s special about it when using Opera Mobile? < 1340482512 676365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't have any other way of viewing it < 1340482570 526742 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340482608 659925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the messages in my fortune file is this: **DO NOT REMOVE THIS MESSAGE FROM THIS FORTUNE FILE** < 1340482681 58711 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340482694 972710 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have fortune < 1340482745 321292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use mine if you want to < 1340482775 261151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo fortune | nc zzo38computer.cjb.net 70 < 1340482792 224672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1340482794 358133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some systems you may need echo fortune | nc -q -1 zzo38computer.cjb.net 70 < 1340482811 909010 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1340482819 976795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does what do? < 1340482829 202324 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-q -1 < 1340482865 908877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the system I have needed it on, at least, it prevents the client from closing the connection. < 1340482877 86824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the connection will only be closed by the server. < 1340483308 886569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might or might not find on your system that it requires -q -1 and if it does, it will be required for all gopher and headerless HTTP < 1340483609 63642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM have any commands for making a self-modifying code? < 1340484422 111264 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340484523 78030 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to produce self-modifying code? < 1340484594 57207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out < 1340484600 166533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1340484625 370960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1340484647 249201 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see why one would want to produce self-modifying code? < 1340484651 752348 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an esolang channel? < 1340484718 908950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many non-esoteric uses for self-modifying code as well < 1340484726 9814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux kernel has like 12 kinds of self-modifying code < 1340484758 524569 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolang yes but self modifying code in compiled c programs - no < 1340484772 907873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 did not say C, he said LLVM < 1340484794 795746 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is just compiled c "everyone knows that" "come on" < 1340484828 267507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you build a Linux kernel for SMP x86 and then boot it on a uniprocessor, it will rewrite the code to remove all the LOCK prefixes < 1340484855 918840 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you boot this kernel on a SMP system, and then hot-unplug all but one of the processors, it will do this dynamically (and will undo it if you hotplug another processor) < 1340484904 633888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually LLVM has some features that C doesn't, but also lacks a few features which C has (such as unions). < 1340484917 460828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise it will rewrite the code at boot according to available CPU features (e.g. choosing between CPUID and MFENCE for serialization) < 1340484947 924185 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will rewrite certain instructions to be hypervisor calls when booted under paravirtualization < 1340485004 611792 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux also uses SMC for tracepoints, verbosity setting, etc < 1340485063 398460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there should be some metadata to tell it to make a global variable belong to an instruction, and can be told read/write/both lock on that ownership < 1340485126 38815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no locks if you want no locks on the ownership < 1340485254 263103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : llvm is just compiled c "everyone knows that" "come on" < 1340485258 311796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, llvm is better than c < 1340485261 702566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: haven't you even LISTENED to zzo38 < 1340485274 675370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that LOCK thing is cool < 1340485277 468361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: @ will do stuff like that! < 1340485300 545054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These metadata to make a global variable belong to an instruction would probably be ignored on a Harvard architecture though, unless it has ways to deal with it anyways < 1340485303 484625 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c improves when compiled, clearly < 1340485324 189398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this would be one kind of self-modifying code < 1340485450 603523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction that the global variable belongs to, might potentially run faster than it otherwise would, and possibly make the executable a few bytes smaller < 1340485614 653335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how TV Tropes is steadily lobotomising itself by purging any examples for anything even vaguely controversial. < 1340485642 786525 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1340485674 714251 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious one that comes to mind is that all Mary Sue-related tropes have had their examples completely removed. < 1340485683 93598 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pages upon pages of content. < 1340485711 710731 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340485739 591811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... So, what, they're trying to be 'legit' or something? < 1340485741 489343 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it wasn't particularly /good/ content, and a lot of it was an argumentative mess, but there's a certain pleasure in reading it. < 1340485743 539709 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, apparently. < 1340485755 951903 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still waiting for them to introduce notability criteria. < 1340485777 171153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM now even supports the feature of Pascal to specify the valid range of a variable < 1340485778 363316 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340485888 690400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean for a variable to belong to an instruction? < 1340485924 542375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can only be used as an opcode to that instruction. < 1340485938 720958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It means the value of the variable is a literal operand to that instruction. < 1340485962 426390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, if the instruction is reading the variable) < 1340485964 769448 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Linux has (or had) that too < 1340485990 378105 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the API is like a global variable but (on some platforms) the variable reads are immediate loads, and the variable writes modify that code < 1340486026 20601 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't TVTropes ran mostly by Americans? < 1340486028 379904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I mean < 1340486036 169704 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really a big surprise they're trying to get rid of "controversy" < 1340486036 935112 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1340486040 595344 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :America censors music CDs < 1340486043 282008 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid "controversy" < 1340486045 456456 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did you expect < 1340486050 160611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also loved it when they changed Crowning Moment of Awesome to... Moment of Awesome. < 1340486084 471068 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I'm going to assume you're kidding because my hate pool is running low. < 1340486089 677352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: that's a ridiculous comparison < 1340486101 398916 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an example. < 1340486114 639993 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showing a nipple is worse than murder. < 1340486120 617658 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In their books. < 1340486128 257152 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "they" you mean all 300 million Americans, yes? < 1340486148 3262 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the culture they've created (and by extension all the cultures negatively affected by it) < 1340486186 947284 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, oh, they also purged more or less every page they decided was 'porn'. < 1340486197 757543 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course. < 1340486205 195133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: who's censoring music CDs? < 1340486209 312211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This extended to Lolita until saner minds shouted them down. < 1340486220 902329 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something has sexual content in it it's just "porn". Of no value to any decent gentleman. < 1340486236 144218 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a work of fiction with both sexual content *and* a good, intriguing story is unheard of over there. < 1340486242 799348 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1340486250 398559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: The only censorship in music CDs is from Walmart refusing to sell uncensored music. < 1340486250 997930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck off < 1340486268 5966 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how big is wal-mart again? < 1340486273 972232 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty huge IIRC < 1340486274 320524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ginormous. < 1340486277 968636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, a private company puts a warning sticker on a CD (and still sells it) and then another private company refuses to sell that CD in their stores < 1340486279 501607 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow I doubt they're the only ones. < 1340486282 120295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other companies do sell it < 1340486285 165171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I'm guessing that you have never, say, heard of Game of Thrones? < 1340486288 231824 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"American retailer Best Buy only carries uncensored albums in their physical stores" < 1340486290 877259 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The warning sticker is bad enough < 1340486291 794768 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uncensored* < 1340486303 529907 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you must label them as "uncensored" is ridiculous < 1340486336 46823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, sorry, in that scene with all the topless whores some of them had one breast covered up. < 1340486339 845370 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CENSORSHIP < 1340486341 148746 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that the stickers are silly but to call them "censorship" is a bit much < 1340486343 241039 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were a company, it'd be one of the world's largest economies... < 1340486351 761175 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So it has clearly visible unambiguous nipples? < 1340486364 585207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: as far as I know, Walmart's the only company that actually refuses uncensored music. < 1340486366 891808 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes? < 1340486373 316745 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1340486384 913521 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly visible nipples are an "at least once an episode" thing. < 1340486385 167755 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be a pioneering work then < 1340486389 127738 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: the thing is, I would have agreed with you if you just said "American attitudes towards sex and profanity are ridiculous" < 1340486390 36777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1340486400 119892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you came on way too strong and said ridiculous things yourself < 1340486405 563413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically destroyed your credibility < 1340486406 839403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course. < 1340486409 68694 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how I roll. < 1340486409 347253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should actually learn about things before going on crusades. < 1340486409 546437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERIKKKA AM I RITE < 1340486415 147591 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340486418 19212 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U S OF FUCKING A < 1340486426 612984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAZIMERIKKKOMMUNISTA < 1340486437 634144 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did the crusaders really "learn" or "think" before going on theirs? No. < 1340486447 108239 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should I! < 1340486454 937368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, actually, they did. < 1340486459 334481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for trolls < 1340486463 856877 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not rationally < 1340486477 766674 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure? < 1340486498 521953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm not sure he is a troll, although that would be better. < 1340486505 934489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340486514 768027 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look what you did now. < 1340486519 357571 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if TVTropes is run by Americans, i highly doubt it's run by the segment of American society which has a huge stick up its ass about sex and profanity < 1340486531 503373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really that many of us < 1340486537 754472 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just loud and try to impose their views on everyone else < 1340486542 991941 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, it is. < 1340486551 813224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the top echelons of moderators. < 1340486576 69012 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1340486618 79944 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TbH initially it was because Google pulled their ads from the site because of some of the more risque content *cough*fetishfuel*cough* but when they started deleting stuff like Lolita and Naughty Tentacles it went well beyond reasonable. < 1340486666 283468 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We no longer collect examples of fetish fuel. We did so for long enough to establish that literally everything is someone's fetish fuel, and that some few individuals are quite willing to go on about theirs at length. The topic seems to want to get out of Family Friendly territory too easily for TV Tropes, so we spun off another wiki for it: Fetish Fuel Wiki." < 1340486669 87912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is because of Google? < 1340486687 515264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty reasonable < 1340486694 593102 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who decides what's "fetish fuel" or not < 1340486704 882296 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it was a specific article < 1340486705 752570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps everything is fetish fuel < 1340486713 574381 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one of the mods had a raging foot fetish would any articles involving feet be banned? < 1340486718 828136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340486720 88463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah, that was reasonable enough. < 1340486722 298684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you completely misunderstand < 1340486724 723174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're an idiot < 1340486727 403069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck everyone < 1340486728 227603 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1340486732 338762 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1340486733 35304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: No, but any articles involving hand would be banned. < 1340486737 222435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to you you idiot < 1340486744 694562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is parting a "thing" now < 1340486753 569912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the hip new thing < 1340486754 477724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be cool too !! < 1340486757 399865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340486761 280778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1340486855 988364 :dbane!~user@c176-34-62-134.ob.nfrinternet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340486916 947874 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm apparently an idiot < 1340486917 825548 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1340486919 183863 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PART :#esoteric < 1340486968 663407 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I leave the channel, it'll stop being cool < 1340486981 630285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to stop being cool, or not? < 1340487107 364555 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why? < 1340487116 169086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works < 1340487128 847196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't really care. Fate conspires to keep me uncool < 1340487135 282919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm destiny's anti-hipster < 1340487149 949116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do things after they're cool < 1340487238 619534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1340487250 543050 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parting is hard < 1340487595 921261 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I have to leave this channel for few weeks < 1340487627 380201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti-, my bouncer will still be here thoug < 1340488276 539641 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1340488474 267785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll stop anyone without an invite coming in < 1340488580 470074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1340488598 961893 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340488693 680212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340489178 399555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your bouncer < 1340489429 457006 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1340489441 284282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a pun) < 1340489716 67279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=define:bouncer&oq=define:bouncer&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...6222.6222.1.6424.1.1.0.0.0.0.52.52.1.1.0...0.0.QGwSZnmncyE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=21405353d8475aae&biw=1366&bih=682 < 1340490204 437409 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/tfawq.gif < 1340490500 635219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1340490502 667248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340491016 487012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does Wine have a lot of dependencies < 1340491021 327268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose in retrospect that wasn't really surprising < 1340491892 138308 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340491905 714450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi john < 1340491946 570791 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1340491952 522050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chudoin? < 1340492098 479645 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/windows_evolution.jpeg < 1340492165 198921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to speak deutsche to know what that troll is thinking < 1340492187 670302 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gut=good < 1340492194 789668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheisse = shite < 1340492196 911335 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340492212 950712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... there seems to be a pattern < 1340492221 711468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340492225 688651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first MS releases a gut Windows, then a scheisse < 1340492231 807811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gut, then scheisse < 1340492233 617268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think win95 was particularly shit < 1340492234 14529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on.. < 1340492264 644692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah theres some artistic license taken < 1340492297 516639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they left out win2k < 1340492326 755751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like the pic < 1340492344 810643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 2K was never touted as a consumer OS. < 1340492356 589733 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gregor < 1340492357 229992 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to complain that they left it out, they also left out NT 3 and 4. < 1340492363 161426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is egobot umlboxed yet? < 1340492369 502002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1340492372 926051 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really so vital? < 1340492381 191657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm just asking < 1340492385 755915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha saved by the egobot < 1340492388 158341 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not. I have other things to do. < 1340492396 351434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie dokie artichokie < 1340492406 70862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saved < 1340492430 537326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad to hear that. everyone knows win 8 will be crap. < 1340492460 938988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who won the war of 1812? < 1340492471 929044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia < 1340492473 747929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340492475 354572 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best possible outcome would be that windows vs linux is like encarta vs wikipedia < 1340492497 44390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually it was the u.s. < 1340492500 492613 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :encarta? < 1340492544 336698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was a commercial encyclopedia.. apparently MS bought some encyclopedias and stuck them together on a cd < 1340492579 705675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was semipopular before Wikipedia. < 1340492837 581993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i can go a day without producing any more cynicism < 1340492843 221399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason why not < 1340493187 348123 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340493335 750255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340493493 743950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340493739 775280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i can sleep < 1340494157 747426 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: see ya after few weeks < 1340494287 806792 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :dog < 1340494507 240794 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1340495781 54978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340496697 752940 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A2E7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340496723 424717 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A2E7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340496981 862587 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A2E7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340497364 345955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a command in MinGW to cut off all lines of stderr after a specified line number? < 1340497833 433183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone going to make MMIX hardware? < 1340497984 420123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I want to omit is the rN register; perhaps its meaning can be changed to something else (I think there was a suggestion once about this) < 1340498056 874720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC can already compile into MMIX, they should also make LLVM to compile into MMIX, and also LLVM compile into Glulx as well < 1340498345 118027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If LLVM compiles to Glulx, we could make up a LLVM file which implements glk.h with inline assembly language and inlining and so on < 1340498427 253435 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to omit rN register? < 1340498568 813202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rN register does nothing useful. < 1340498607 735679 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it confused it with rM < 1340498781 678566 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goimg to sleep --> < 1340498796 511487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rM should be included. However, rN should be omitted or modified to mean something else. < 1340498944 505275 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRNG? < 1340498999 668644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340499357 864219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/u1ptn/modern_computers_are_supposed_to_be_von_neumann/ < 1340499389 582240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this person knows quite what 'equivalent' means. < 1340499421 685998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a DVI format of Fascicle 1 MMIX? The PDF renders badly. < 1340499434 546725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm astonished you have a PDF renderer. < 1340499790 851130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find any of DVI files for those things, or any TeX source files either < 1340499866 142920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The PDFs also print badly unless you have the same printer as whoever made the PDF and there are no rounding errors.) < 1340501136 480626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthesizer for ITMCK works < 1340501563 624779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340503178 172466 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340504252 554332 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1340506396 465019 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340507307 218456 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340507703 286107 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340507714 453822 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340507838 644691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Io seems like it might be a good language for a codenomic < 1340507905 462093 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: get into #nomic < 1340508409 437330 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340508445 657717 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340509295 417217 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340509314 402476 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340509530 921997 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340509536 440738 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340511225 671052 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a bad person? < 1340511241 377687 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyOf fs c = any ($ c) fs < 1340511350 432444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well using anyOf in a higher order context is nicer than using (any . flip ($)) or whatever < 1340511374 158118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're applying the arguments on-site, i think any ($ c) fs is better < 1340511405 860336 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, I am < 1340511409 441316 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was just generalizing there < 1340511470 385737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340511687 286875 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MSleep < 1340511688 32731 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isFoo c = any ($ c) [isA, isB, isC] < 1340511797 833903 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t or . sequence < 1340511799 81533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Bool' against inferred type `[a]' < 1340511799 281350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[a]] -> [Bool] < 1340511799 480185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inferred type: [[a]] -> [[a]] < 1340511807 312926 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that seems reasonable < 1340511809 65628 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (or .) . sequence < 1340511810 527389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *). (Functor f, Monad f) => [f Bool] -> f Bool < 1340511835 144450 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (Prelude.or Prelude..) Prelude.. Prelude.sequence < 1340511836 647519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a -> Bool] -> a -> Bool < 1340511880 833679 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t or .: sequence < 1340511882 206451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (g :: * -> *). (Monad g, Functor g) => [g Bool] -> g Bool < 1340511887 914465 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, he even generalized .: < 1340512050 700756 :carbone14!~carbone14@LPuteaux-151-41-21-10.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340512070 349598 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDream < 1340512166 920252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'd be more surprised if he hadn't, since (.:) = (.) . (.) < 1340512478 700745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My .: is (.:) :: (Category cat, Functor f) => cat b c -> f (cat a b) -> f (cat a c); < 1340512614 833770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Nyan cat where (=^..^=) :: cat b c -> cat a b -> cat a c < 1340512685 583192 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1340512688 514926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Nyan cat where (=^..^=) :: cat cat cat -> cat cat cat -> cat cat cat < 1340512780 88636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm sure GHC 7.6 will support equirecursive infinite kinds < 1340512795 68687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What? < 1340512852 810191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what's the kind of 'cat' in that typeclass? < 1340512898 898167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you didn't mean that GHC 7.6 will actually support. < 1340512915 703266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/ it./ < 1340512927 948599 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using sarcasm < 1340512950 651604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem to be the direction they're going in < 1340512976 44832 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equirecursive infinite typekind class family polymorphism < 1340513285 432858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340513330 442289 :carbone14!~carbone14@LPuteaux-151-41-21-10.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1340513458 298736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "equirecursive infinite typekind class family polymorphism" means? < 1340513494 659635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I was looking at Wikipedia about comma category now I can understand comma category better < 1340513497 131244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means that cat cat cat can be a valid type < 1340513500 577058 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means nothing zzo38 < 1340513504 980305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a joke < 1340513514 102918 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :add this to your training set on jokes < 1340513515 817819 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340513526 416151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: equirecursive infinite kinds would do that < 1340513559 497640 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat :: μk. k -> k -> * < 1340513586 187240 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equirecursive means that you don't need explicit wrapping/unwrapping (as opposed to isorecursive) < 1340513666 312236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so isorecursive would be using a newtype to make infinite types? < 1340513671 384572 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you come across slice categories already? < 1340513678 270962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, at type level < 1340513682 52067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what it would be at kind level < 1340513690 385687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newkinds? < 1340513775 833712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: They are mentioned in the same article < 1340513785 554927 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, slice category is a specific instance of comma < 1340513790 793855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340513793 70396 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :being more concrete, it might be more obvious though < 1340513979 809554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Ibtlfmm, we would have "kind" and "data kind" declarations (the first for kind synonyms, the second for enumerating the types belonging to it and how many parameters they are required to take; all the parameters are kinds, and there is only one "kind of kinds") < 1340514148 913928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can write: kind Constraint = &; kind Nat = +; kind Type = *; kind Module = @; and so on, including synonyms for more complicated kinds, as well as data kinds < 1340514223 375470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought about some other categories, such as sum of categories and product of categories. I think, the sum or product of thin categories is thin, the sum or product of discrete categories is discrete, etc. Some categories may be the sum and/or product of other categories. < 1340514293 86385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it would seem you can even combine monads and comonads from the categories you can making a sum or product of < 1340514892 387724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is then the category of no objects being the identity for the sum, and the discrete category of a single object for the identity for product. < 1340514990 566142 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340515021 305734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you know anything of these kind of sum and product of categories? < 1340515048 870390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's definitely product categories < 1340515057 477283 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340515061 655332 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think you can do a coproduct of categories too, but it's a bit more involved < 1340515076 94424 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340515088 525489 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the category of small categories definitely has all products < 1340515168 449572 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably all coproducts :) < 1340515229 587899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean by these sum and product of categories is: Sum means, the objects are (C, X) where C is one of its term categories and X is an object of C, and the morphisms are (C, f) where f is a morphism of C, so if f:X->Y then (C,f):(C,X)->(C,Y). Product means, objects are (C, D, ...) where C, D, ... are its factor categories and the morphisms are the morphism one from each factor category. < 1340515354 704648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK? < 1340515405 607973 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340515421 656218 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340515455 493788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's probably right < 1340515467 793980 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at products and coproducts in the category of small categories < 1340515470 544371 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work out < 1340515484 508213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproducts are pretty easy, actually, as far as I can tell < 1340515516 914649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coproducts? < 1340515521 191564 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sums < 1340515529 151177 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproduct is the more conventional term < 1340515542 722815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well I did think and write about both sum and product of categories < 1340515559 630882 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know about products and coproducts within categories? < 1340515582 324216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340515593 104420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1340515595 267299 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :then work out if your constructions fit the descriptions :) < 1340515599 195858 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think they do < 1340515612 431305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a proper sum category < 1340515637 190261 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains all the objects and all the morphisms from the two "addends" < 1340515646 89812 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have injection functors from the two addends < 1340515648 648608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how I mean < 1340515651 99735 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few diagrams commute < 1340515664 631446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes then you also have a functor from the addend to the sum < 1340515674 110290 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340515683 361833 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a universal functor < 1340515687 623014 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should work < 1340515781 915567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they even form a semiring? < 1340515865 163024 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340516000 103087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For multiplication you can make up a discrete category from any natural number so that the sum of a category with itself is like the product of that category with the discrete category with two objects. < 1340516070 300236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1340516435 786436 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340517336 875400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can exponent category now be made? I can think of something, but maybe won't work since the exponent may not always be discrete. < 1340517526 385279 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Cat is a CCC, it should exist < 1340517533 55460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't thought about what it would mean though < 1340517576 650623 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to ask in ##categorytheory < 1340517627 688192 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go to sleep :) < 1340517689 681473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought a little bit about it < 1340517714 827834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think I know what it means at least if the exponent is discrete < 1340517753 590766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of it more too; maybe I will manage to think of it < 1340518360 402680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340518836 404752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340520123 38465 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1340521593 534541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340521630 51733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340522025 175912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people in here know some things about category theory? How many people do not know? < 1340522036 399856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some things < 1340522095 676908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before you joined to this channel, I have discussed sum and product of categories, and also thinking about power/exponent of categories. < 1340522295 776475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any monads and comonads in the categories the sum/product is made from, can also be combined to make monads/comonads in the sum/product as well, I think < 1340522301 284427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are usually defined _in_ categories afaik, which means that if you want to do them _of_ categories you want to look at Cat, the category of categories < 1340522398 328765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do mean of categories. And I have written above about how to do; you may review the logs if you want to < 1340522512 297333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is that your definitions are likely to be equivalent to the usual definitions as applied to Cat < 1340522523 517105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340522618 281770 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters about being vaguely near a wildfire
< 1340522620 863934 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know absolutely nothing < 1340522650 125756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using these sum and product I would also think, the numbers are being like the discrete categories with that many objects < 1340522651 583261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the fire has anything to do with it, but respiration is irritated! < 1340522691 643531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if you have a functor F from A to C and a functor G from B to C, then there should be a unique functor H from A+B to C such that F and G are the compositions of H with the embeddings < 1340522750 298709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dually for products < 1340522765 306897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the universal property? < 1340522766 376813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe you, it makes sense < 1340522769 857784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1340522796 653465 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is so awesome < 1340522818 799787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes < 1340522826 984136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1340522831 261222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340522885 688564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the power/exponent should be defined if Cat is a cartesian closed category, by another universal property < 1340522923 190374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get the property I have described if the exponent is discrete? < 1340522940 62920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i didn't read what you said before < 1340522955 444518 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna check what the UP for power is but ended up reading about sheaves and taking a break now. those things are crazy. < 1340522957 160027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_closed_category says it is < 1340523013 395704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have described is that, if C is to the power of a discrete category having two objects, it will be like a product of C with C, and so on < 1340523015 509380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Y is defined as the right adjoint functor of x Y < 1340523040 524642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds reasonable < 1340523118 460071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hom(X x 2, Z) ~= Hom(X, Z^2) < 1340523150 506428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :X x 2 ought to be ~ X + X < 1340523191 937395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have described above that the sum of C with C, is like the product of C with a discrete category having 2 objects. < 1340523199 897855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you get Hom(X + X, Z) ~= Hom(X, Z x Z), which looks like it might follow from the universal properties < 1340523217 450552 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340523356 802265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_closed_category#Equational_theory may be relevant < 1340523377 619219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340523520 259806 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.120 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340523892 578871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that does show the property I described to be the case. < 1340523983 421529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of monads and comonads on the exponent category then? < 1340524007 433365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a category called if all isomorphisms are endomorphisms? < 1340524286 60850 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340524351 407151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a name? < 1340524576 526782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340524660 153107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: skeletal category http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_(category_theory) < 1340524892 760365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340525711 160392 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340525724 420380 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340525730 384970 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340526314 97754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What values of Cwt should I use for ITMCK? < 1340526345 653259 :derdon!~derdon@217.225.199.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340526417 812640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps 0x7000 is OK since OpenMPT Wiki does not list any other trackers as using that, and the actual version number can be determined by the name of the first instrument < 1340526496 495092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, however, use the -w command-line switch or the #TRACKER-VERSION command in the input file to override the Cwt value to be whatever you want. < 1340526603 124846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have other suggestions you can tell me < 1340526825 187619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added the information to the wiki http://wiki.openmpt.org/Development:_Formats/IT as instructed. < 1340527183 182276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340527991 36183 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340528486 400133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340528489 87961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1340528656 377795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy on the TV is saying "Where in the bible does it say we have to pay tax?" < 1340528669 499730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to punch him in the face and say Matthew 22:21 < 1340528746 860168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one that's Render Caesar's unto Caesar's? < 1340528751 638870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340528758 593228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's easy to twist into meaning absolutely nothing whatsoever. < 1340528764 761258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1340528810 266286 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much like the rest of the Bible. < 1340528837 953269 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Caesar was a god, so of course you had to pay tax to him. < 1340528850 338264 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama is Satan, so you shouldn't pay taxes to *him*. < 1340528883 82995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about David Cameron? < 1340528939 383193 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leviticus 19:27 < 1340528943 164820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. < 1340528952 151328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, he is a servant of Satan. < 1340528960 839358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you're saying there are right wing religious extremists outside the USA? < 1340528968 452442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is highly at odds with what I have read on the Internet < 1340528973 971619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, just people who want to avoid taxes < 1340528983 898268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1340529002 707399 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There *are*, they just seem to have somewhat less influence. < 1340529006 778408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy is a human universal. < 1340529019 539943 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many places where they have more influence < 1340529022 739499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1340529034 119423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many places where the crazies actually run the place. < 1340529074 84754 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about right-wing religious extremists in the USA is, you know which party they're going to vote for < 1340529079 347623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that party doesn't actually have to give them anything < 1340529088 129779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the occasional bone. < 1340529100 353530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they bluster about social issues to get out the vote < 1340529117 538817 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some proportion of the party is composed of said extremists, and some of those people get elected < 1340529121 201302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that many really < 1340529206 146998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the people they vote for are any *better*... < 1340529220 190140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The badness is just of a completely different sort. < 1340529224 769546 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340529256 2112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know < 1340529290 534552 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a slight preference for a corrupt corporatist state over a theocracy < 1340529298 474093 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is good < 1340529302 597697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1340529312 605681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this preference reflects my various forms of privilege < 1340529324 321000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are very, very low on my preference ranking, but corrupt corporatist state > theocracy. < 1340529333 937120 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1340529387 208685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, in a theocracy I'm liable to be dead. < 1340529390 755782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK is technically sort-of a theocracy < 1340529399 302582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody actually cares < 1340529403 151812 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1340529413 925050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The head of state is directly appointed by good < 1340529416 487603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*God < 1340529422 346293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is the head of the Church of England < 1340529447 222580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Rule by divine right, the monarch is the head of the church, members of the church are *entitled* to positions in the legislature... < 1340529466 850950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that last bit is dodgy as hell < 1340529498 266816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The house of lords doesn't have any real power < 1340529536 560804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any more < 1340529542 836693 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340529555 675593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up until quite recently, they were your supreme court as well. < 1340529567 917302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Didn't know that < 1340529581 359658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the House of Lords was the court of last resort up until, what, 2008? < 1340529617 114862 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, 2009. < 1340529750 889642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I suspect that that's where the Senate's role of trying impeachments comes from... < 1340529776 74402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340529855 140402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the US Congress was designed with the *intent* of the House of Representatives being somewhat analogous to the House of Commons, and the Senate somewhat analogous to the House of Lords) < 1340529869 563766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that end up? < 1340529899 758367 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the last blow in the setup was the establishment of direct election of Senators. < 1340529986 714968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the original setup was that each state appointed Senators in a manner they saw fit, with convention being that the governor of the state would appoint them) < 1340530157 718132 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were mainly elected by state legislatures < 1340530196 109295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof" < 1340530204 326414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, perhaps I misremembered. < 1340530407 70731 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I did. < 1340530455 292396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly enough, the current non-proportional structure of the Senate would be unconstitutional if it weren't explicitly in the Constitution < 1340530472 139252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the supreme court has ruled that the 14th Amendment forbids states and cities from having similar bodies < 1340530521 843187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to change the composition of the Senate, you would arguably need *two* constitutional amendments < 1340530560 27906 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Article V (the article on amendments) explicitly forbids that change < 1340530589 405745 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very nomic. < 1340530627 20243 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, I suspect they'd somehow figure out a way to get that deemed "interstate commerce" so it could be a regular bill. < 1340530642 376572 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340530646 563370 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't think that would fly < 1340530704 227647 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a butterfly flapping its wings can cause rain in China, then surely the composition of the Senate effects interstate commerce, so therefore they have the power to regulate it. < 1340530734 204363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more serious note, yeaaah that clause would have to be a *lot* more abused than it is now for something like that to fly. < 1340530752 810025 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that clause is all about the division of powers between state and federal legislatures < 1340530801 527440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what also sucks is that the Senate's rules of procedure have nearly as much influence on how law is made as the Constitution < 1340530820 689692 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps more. < 1340530843 812079 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The infamous 'fillibuster' rules have a rather dramatic effect. < 1340530858 947788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340530883 981992 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a recent thing too < 1340530892 200275 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean aiui filibuster was used pretty rarely before like 2006 < 1340530898 574705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is the default and every bill needs 60 votes to pass < 1340531008 200844 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloture_Voting,_United_States_Senate,_1947_to_2008.svg < 1340531109 425827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just the number of times the Senate actually attempted to stop a filibuster. < 1340531198 121626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: stuff < 1340531279 286125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, many of them are preemptive < 1340531312 300055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual filibusters are still rare, the threat is just baked into how the body operates < 1340531344 859087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the problem — people would be less eager if they had to personally go up and talk for 15 hours! < 1340531503 672143 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would hope that a filibuster would make the filibustering party look like childish obstructionists < 1340531525 789125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think a lot of the blame for problems in Washington gets accounted in a nonpartisan way < 1340531532 372962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congress's approval ratings are far lower than either party < 1340531764 902733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather amazingly so. < 1340531801 747677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it, like 8% approval? < 1340531883 311211 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1340532089 169501 :derdon!~derdon@217.225.199.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340532116 69898 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340532400 46712 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340532421 392248 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340533018 975744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is /r/conspiracy championing the cause of *Syria*? < 1340533061 946730 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they want you to think < 1340533077 516480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/conspiracy is actually a KGB conspiracy. < 1340533083 44749 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... /r/conspiracy is in fact run by the conspiracy? < 1340533084 501296 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1340533100 724000 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, the US and Israel dislike Syria, therefore Syria must be good < 1340533102 199306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You must admit it's an appropriate name. < 1340533107 268725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this mirrors well-documented KGB conspiracies surrounding the JFK shooting) < 1340533123 551319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... the KGB spread conspiracy theories about it. I shit you not.) < 1340533129 707657 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" let me guess, the US and Israel dislike Syria, therefore Syria must be good" sounds like solid logic to me < 1340533131 155401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1340533144 142199 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, looks like it. < 1340533160 279567 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Liveleak is a propaganda hub." < 1340533194 340541 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatse is a propaganda hub < 1340533201 655388 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Precisely the reason I dont believe anything. Ever. There may not even be a syria for all I know < 1340533201 853582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1340533299 260251 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340533322 222177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340533322 794094 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340533326 359582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another thread < 1340533333 483877 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has just said they wouldn't eat mule meat < 1340533340 75290 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's genetically modified < 1340533366 632940 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mule meat contains chemicals! < 1340533424 581373 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the alternative media on the Internet continues to grow and expose the secret working of the grand deceivers, i.e. the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, the masses will find out the King is actually naked and the “king’s new clothes” shtick was all a big con." < 1340533443 365211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we hit that conspiracy bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. < 1340533445 718862 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a quote < 1340533453 608701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz speaks to you, his chosen ones < 1340533456 509467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ew, chemicals. < 1340533477 680579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＴＨＥ ＧＵＮ ＩＳ ＧＯＯＤ < 1340533478 570766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I disposed of my television years ago, the last of my chemicals had to go with it. < 1340533483 453016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＴＨＥ ＰＥＮＩＳ ＩＳ ＥＶＩＬ < 1340533484 653370 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, the quoted bit is. < 1340533493 869997 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/vimgh/if_the_alternative_media_on_the_internet/ < 1340533512 411476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now leads a 100% natural, chemical-free life.
< 1340533522 297000 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New World Order Blueprint Leaked" < 1340533540 868168 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what, is this part of a conspiracy to give away NWO trade secrets? < 1340533601 595625 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid this is going to devolve into trolling by proxy < 1340533621 327894 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/vhzj0/a_friend_is_going_to_let_me_look_through_his/ < 1340533622 655253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1340533653 583046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My friend said trolling by proxy is good because it can inject outside opinions into echo chambers which don't usually get such opinions. < 1340533663 910649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really agree with him, but do you have any counterarguments to that? < 1340533674 888818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1340533690 435437 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 'trolling by proxy' < 1340534040 861687 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, my friend says Haskell gives you herpes and aids, i think this is wrong but pls provide a detailed rebuttal" < 1340534063 500535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :produces similar results to someone coming in and saying haskell gives you herpaids < 1340534077 150339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse, in that you can't make it go away by kickbanning someone < 1340534085 18534 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1340534088 168757 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clever < 1340534105 901115 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when nobody in the channel intends to troll, the result is the same as trolling < 1340534108 474220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It's far from the state of the art in trolling techniques. < 1340534111 348798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ingenius in its subtlety. < 1340534114 68830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens a lot when you're discussing Other People who are Wrong On The Internet < 1340534116 181328 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am not very good at trolling < 1340534117 577471 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's the state of the art? < 1340534118 346791 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm easily impressed < 1340534127 847371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think that's public information. < 1340534140 691351 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it u < 1340534145 382527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :-( < 1340534148 296852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But in this case there's still responsibility: The "friend" said something inflammatory. < 1340534152 988883 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poorchaf < 1340534165 966851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultimate trolling probably arises on its own, like a sort of meme. < 1340534167 918010 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, in less hyperbolic cases, the friend is perhaps just ignorant < 1340534169 467177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but in this case I'm not quoting them as things I want treated seriously and debunked, I'm quoting them because I and presumably everyone else finds them risible. < 1340534177 110226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "0.999... = 1?!", maybe. < 1340534189 786571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think of the discussions that generates, even when everyone means well. < 1340534209 348890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not exactly a "technique". < 1340534224 413562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically politics and religion are the ultimate trolling technique? < 1340534254 379610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There are a lot of trolls in politics and religion. < 1340534261 770060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some topics, yes. < 1340534296 7570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did u accuse me of being cheater :'( < 1340534316 358114 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cheater the state of the art in trolling < 1340534327 241554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1340534329 45585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decidedly not. < 1340534331 525608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that he can troll elliott and Phantom_Hoover without saying anything at all < 1340534332 321858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He got banned from multiple channels. < 1340534345 627911 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cause them to abuse third parties < 1340534369 769618 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still bitter about that? < 1340534384 345123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which "that" is that? < 1340534385 669978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bitter, just amused and confused < 1340534406 87480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it up with ais if you think the ban was unjustified. < 1340534412 505579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying he shouldn't be bant < 1340534417 752807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he get banned in here? < 1340534421 508390 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340534424 921331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think it's insane how much abuse I got for daring to say "hi" to him < 1340534433 173331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing you see in extremely brainwashed religious societies < 1340534441 149071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unclean one must be shunned < 1340534446 142574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: hi < 1340534457 345439 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I do believe you're trying to troll me. < 1340534474 347831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i can understand that he doesn't get along with this channel, but apparently the fact that I can get along with him in any context at all makes me a horrible human being < 1340534490 573958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1340534496 46493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think anyone who can produce that kind of response < 1340534499 155427 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a pretty advanced troll < 1340534548 411093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc gets along with everyone* < 1340534562 714525 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero or more copies of everyone < 1340534737 580272 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is cheater < 1340534740 188734 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel I am missing out on something < 1340534748 725599 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #codez < 1340534766 358407 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the channel he set up to talk to the people from #esoteric, #haskell-blah, and ##electronics who will still put up with him < 1340534784 864059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Founder: cheater < 1340534804 976111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longrunning troll who survived largely because for most of his time on the channel there were 3 ops none of whom actually used their powers. < 1340534958 981395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm in #codez but I still have cheater on /ignore < 1340534996 672965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that'll do. < 1340535000 283953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he'll ban me. < 1340535295 46820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in /ignore < 1340535363 219904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't either, but then he decided to take a particular dislike to me for some reason. < 1340535378 762591 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, odd < 1340535405 248309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were other conversations in the channel so I decided it would be reasonable. < 1340535588 80608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day someone joined and asked about the most pythonic way to solve some problem < 1340535592 870242 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cause that's a thing that happens apparently) < 1340535605 607754 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cheater gave just about the most convoluted, un-pythonic solution you could reasonably pass off as serious code < 1340535742 346243 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if he was trolling, or just felt obliged to give some answer (even a bad one) immediately < 1340535935 282343 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't get what the cheater fuss was all about < 1340535950 646427 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm way more annoying < 1340536144 108878 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340536147 358125 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're annoying in an amusing way. < 1340536172 251551 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340536179 46389 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I TRY SO HARD < 1340536204 709742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this #codez, is it like esoteric but without all that annoying programming stuff < 1340536352 737095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340536924 847610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340538303 157317 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340538403 58001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340538549 841054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340538565 423465 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1340540485 976960 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a no < 1340540572 378415 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems to be like esoteric but without all that annoying anything. < 1340545834 22589 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340546948 161596 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340546976 96541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340546977 375190 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340547560 115973 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340547561 442927 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah! < 1340547577 738352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1340548837 240646 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340551255 864843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340551256 63575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340551422 790326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@iuher < 1340551423 301964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340551429 297533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@irti < 1340551429 890828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340551433 53162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ahuis < 1340551433 486226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340551449 364968 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340551483 162579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340551574 715192 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340551683 915071 :Eli_!6da08903@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.160.137.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340551788 610313 :Eli_!6da08903@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.160.137.3 QUIT :Client Quit < 1340552035 299381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible candidate for worst wikipedia page ever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bound_property < 1340552066 804939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340552142 691165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object lesson in how not to do a wikipedia article < 1340552269 3279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just me.. blood sugar could be low etc. < 1340552469 678188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: bad, but not bad enough < 1340552493 342526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even interestingly bad, I think < 1340552973 656219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it via the talk page < 1340553887 65549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340553903 92627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340554507 525059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340556622 18758 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340556780 874359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340556813 996711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay the housemates just moved out < 1340556827 889009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is hoping for at least some weeks of peace and quiet
< 1340558668 600356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340558951 377563 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340559233 614522 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340559631 718094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, followed by the person who comes to collect rent < 1340559729 249787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's transferred automatically < 1340559906 156035 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the example on that wikipedia page about < 1340559925 864605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which wikipedia page? < 1340559976 375491 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bound_property < 1340560315 75943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340561060 678917 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :View to a Kill - Zorin's computer http://youtu.be/043WEs_6TAo < 1340561160 715173 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340561186 334886 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340561285 968911 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340561373 421456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340562292 433137 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340562301 407058 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340562514 486594 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340563503 44225 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340564987 705048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things need to be done to make a option of ITMCK to make the output be more compatible with certain players? < 1340566113 477630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340566127 283174 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340566315 424188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340566431 248698 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340566454 991958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: GOODNIGHT < 1340566479 977366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340567178 601088 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1340567193 452029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340567193 773044 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340567193 971944 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340567377 482845 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340567379 989497 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340567983 680873 :nortti!~nortti@www.nowhere-else.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340568093 803733 :nortti!~nortti@www.nowhere-else.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340568500 31766 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340570126 473004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340570548 588918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goof night < 1340570652 437616 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340570652 939662 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340570653 138447 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340570860 441515 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340571509 6086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340571551 492214 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-27.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340573114 439191 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340573705 668067 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340574394 963390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://machinegestalt.posterous.com/if-programming-languages-were-cars < 1340574520 334200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all new languages would suck? < 1340574536 920692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if programming languages were cars then even more people would be killed by them < 1340574656 697193 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all new cars suck? < 1340574672 695098 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars suck < 1340574679 11378 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even get me started < 1340574689 301735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars ruined this country basically < 1340574728 591953 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, those things are scary. < 1340574746 939417 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how people are afraid of parachute jumping but they routinely drive a car in fucking traffic < 1340574753 203302 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car companies buying and destroying all public transit way back when, y'mean? < 1340574774 388073 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stating that new cars suck seems weird, at least new cars are way less ugly < 1340574818 213062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, jeeze, turn of the century almost all cities ran on gigantic streetcar systems. < 1340574864 475334 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the many ways cars ruined the country < 1340574895 662358 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C: Still the best systems programming language 40 years later." < 1340574902 511770 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340574907 500168 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh systems < 1340574908 344937 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340574937 773283 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only "the best" because it's barely good enough and so all attempts to replace it with something better have failed < 1340574954 163983 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but imagine my horror when i didn't notice the word "systems". < 1340574970 501065 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see, if it weren't for that cars would not be anywhere *near* as relevant. Before the streetcar systems were destroyed, cars were seen as luxuries... < 1340574981 172735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have causality backwards there < 1340574992 575166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a conspiracy by car-related industries to destroy streetcars < 1340574993 141750 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Бойн� кошек на Ле�тнице http://youtu.be/8FRBQOrvURA < 1340574996 867177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was only accelerating an existing trend < 1340574997 963038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Bastards. < 1340575015 940915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with or without that, cars became much more affordable and people could have them < 1340575024 299751 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If bad programming languages killed more people perhaps programming languages wouldn’t suck as much. < 1340575026 679892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yes, I agree, cars are a *real friggin' problem*. < 1340575029 532157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes @all new cars suck. < 1340575033 836438 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which led to the building of massive road infrastructure coupled with the decline of rail infrastructure < 1340575034 864006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look like shit, literally. < 1340575043 362777 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which produced these horrid, unsustainable modes of living < 1340575062 768506 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :new cars look modern and nice, old cars look ugly and boring. < 1340575065 161468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nfscars.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=201&pictureid=4092 <- that is a car. < 1340575080 40726 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a banana mated with a robot < 1340575083 543348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quaiswaseeq.com/top-5-muscle-cars-of-all-times/muscle_cars/1969-chevrolet-camaro-ss.jpg <- that is a car < 1340575084 807153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you live in a McMansion in suburbia and the closest you have to a "town center" is a malignant tumor of big box stores, strip malls, and office parks < 1340575105 30570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Overhaulin_442.jpg <- that is a car < 1340575129 217770 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : new cars look modern and nice, old cars look ugly and boring. < 1340575131 992283 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kind of new car < 1340575136 408405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1340575138 503267 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly new < 1340575140 773889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or new new < 1340575154 870149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was that whole thing where angles came into fashion < 1340575165 465614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wallpapers-football.net/Other-wallpapers/car/car8.jpg <- looks stupid < 1340575170 502540 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in all seriousness, yeah those look okay. not as nice as new ones, but okay. < 1340575185 751104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Little boxes of ticky-tacky, little boxes all the same... < 1340575187 80495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.ricardostatic.ch/ImgUsers/EuroTax/p0502828.jpg <- looks like crap < 1340575188 453133 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one is obviously the prettiest < 1340575212 677571 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last last one looks so sexy i would totally mate with it < 1340575219 767792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.auto-bilder.org/autobilder/volvo-c30-3729.jpg <- ugly < 1340575221 644382 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340575226 803763 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok kmc, pikhq_, cut the circlejerk < 1340575228 142726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh streetcars aren't that great < 1340575234 838694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340575241 375498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some advantages over buses but it's not a huge difference imo < 1340575241 574326 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the last last last one is the super bestest. < 1340575244 620757 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is ok because he tends to have a fairly balanced perspective < 1340575252 678332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ew no, not enough angles < 1340575254 212122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like old cars :) < 1340575260 972244 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1340575263 857657 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough < 1340575266 96767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angles < 1340575269 520473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The advantage is they could've been built into a more robust transit system. If developed instead of destroyed. < 1340575274 702167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340575278 164530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a subset of old cars :) < 1340575282 845976 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in all real seriousness, i don't give a shit, i wouldn't buy any of those < 1340575283 601202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset < 1340575285 486294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with angles < 1340575287 786411 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340575295 101188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1340575300 640173 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: by building new tunnels, you mean? < 1340575302 43122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340575307 642129 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset with edges and angles. < 1340575322 751989 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tbh aesthetics comes a long way after, for instance, crumple zones < 1340575332 30400 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FRBQOrvURA&feature=youtu.be this one i would buy < 1340575336 970925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :streetcar tunnels are kinda nice but I think proper grade-separated heavy rail rapid transit is much much better < 1340575349 322680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do you think, of trams < 1340575351 162548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to the expense of new tunnels, maybe you should just build a new rapid transit system < 1340575358 219027 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's reason to *move* that way when not everyone has cars. < 1340575369 914276 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no that's a cat < 1340575374 763811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there have been a fair number of those constructed in post-WWII america < 1340575381 152772 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you finns have problems with r/t < 1340575381 537202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as many as there should be, but still < 1340575385 597762 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than new streetcar systems < 1340575395 328187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, trams! i need to know < 1340575398 236319 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sorry i have visual dyslexia and thought that was a video of a car. < 1340575408 52413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: trams and streetcars are the same thing < 1340575412 819976 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_US vs en_UK or something < 1340575417 172435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like where you confuse things based on whether theyre spelt similarly < 1340575423 505504 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340575432 53906 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to see a description in writing < 1340575435 963377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh right, for some reason i was thinking cable car (??) < 1340575444 684627 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340575447 283106 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to notice subtle differences in spelling < 1340575448 65392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streetcars in modern use have little to no reason to be built further, yes. The *point* is that it's mass transit, and when everyone uses mass transit you have reason to do more mass transit. < 1340575456 627764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i ask is because we have an infamously terrible tram system in edinburgh < 1340575459 364898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340575461 848542 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will* have < 1340575471 411773 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's following the duke nukem school of development < 1340575481 752579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the "aerial tram" which is kind of like an enclosed ski lift car < 1340575485 779995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangs from a cable in the air < 1340575487 589396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, y'know. "Yeah, we put in a single line cause that's 'green', but really everyone has a car so who cares." < 1340575493 77943 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one of these in NYC actually < 1340575504 604743 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they have those in detroit in DX:HR!!! < 1340575521 12606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, detroit in HR does not resemble real detroit in any meaningful way < 1340575533 967525 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from tv shows, i've learned that americans only ride the bus if they are really poor < 1340575540 814911 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340575555 879575 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this never ceases to amaze me. < 1340575559 16716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in new york city, maybe < 1340575566 407811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even there, you take the subway if at all possible < 1340575574 517600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. It's *severely* difficult to use the buses in most cities, and so it is extremely beneficial to get a car if at all possible. < 1340575581 744208 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is why there is no political support for public transit < 1340575601 90593 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that's the other reason the trams here are awful, we have a perfectly good bus system < 1340575615 135638 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also part of the calculus on, should you build new transit systems in places with none, or should you improve transit in places with high transit ridership already < 1340575617 537506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: We're talking "add on an extra hour to your transit, at least". < 1340575645 405916 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, do the buses, like, drive 5 miles backwards? < 1340575669 163332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only then start going where they're meant to? < 1340575681 908483 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that just because American cities are ridiculously sprawling. < 1340575688 509448 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really imagine an enjoyable life where i frequently have to travel distances i can't easily walk. < 1340575696 925605 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buses are infrequent and they don't go to exactly where you want to go < 1340575703 874006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might have to transfer, and wait for the next bus which is also late < 1340575710 82296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Combination of American cities being ridiculously sprawling and buses being very infrequent and bus routes being sparse. < 1340575723 723776 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buses are much more usable if you have a smartphone, because many cities have realtime online tracking of buses now < 1340575731 752804 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, there's a road near my house which I swear has a bus stop every 50 metres. < 1340575732 415977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1340575762 963586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@smartphone tracking < 1340575763 380937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340575763 680100 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying if you're on the bus because you're constantly stopping because one person is at each stop. < 1340575784 697784 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's obvious that buses can never be faster than driving < 1340575789 945730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have roughly every km a bus stop. < 1340575800 256879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how it should be :) < 1340575804 991828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need proper dedicated right-of-way rapid transit < 1340575838 405918 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the dumb things in America is local zoning laws which prohibit dense development, mandate a certain amount of parking for businesses, etc < 1340575869 896084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buses are faster than driving here during rush hour, since the major roads have bus lanes. (Granted, that's not very often.) < 1340575870 490970 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the south San Francisco Bay Area, you have lots of wealth, and lots of people who would love to live in a real, dense city, but it's just illegal for them to make one < 1340575902 884005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're not if you drive in the bus lanes too, but that's illeggul. < 1340575913 86804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cities get it stupider still... For instance, the city I'm in (Colorado Springs) has height limits on buildings. < 1340575946 49547 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do they keep some parts completely undeveloped and foresty, or just empty? < 1340575952 873866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, you can't go above 8 stories, period. < 1340575967 538256 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the one reason i love about finland is that there are trees. < 1340575983 187714 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of europe is just horrible < 1340575988 237381 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one of the dumb things in America is local zoning laws which prohibit dense development, mandate a certain amount of parking for businesses, etc < 1340575989 632066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you what < 1340575999 325538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado Springs is thus even more sprawly than usual. < 1340576004 79061 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well sweden is just a better finland ofc but i mean the southern countries) < 1340576009 682975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and people do complain on pretty much all "tall building" projects here, on the grounds that it ruins the (pretty much flat) skyline. < 1340576019 27226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um sorry sweden is the: worst < 1340576076 52900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there are many undeveloped forest or desert parts of the USA < 1340576076 251406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tallest building in Edinburgh is 19th-century. < 1340576081 972952 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, that's pretty typical... < 1340576082 172908 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1340576095 877090 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much prefer all countries in the scandinavia family over the rest of europe < 1340576136 424684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The highest off the ground is IIRC also the oldest building in the city.) < 1340576138 86056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: US zoning laws typically mandate low-density development. < 1340576144 497187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ...why? < 1340576162 777627 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you built high density housing, dangerous minorities would move in < 1340576184 51276 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forest parts sound nice, you should keep it that way. < 1340576185 527263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rich white people left the cities in the 60's due to high crime < 1340576188 142036 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you built shops without giant parking lots, then you couldn't get your land yacht there. < 1340576190 519626 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell my opinion to all americans < 1340576212 13562 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they passed laws to prevent their new suburban areas from becoming like those cities, without regard to which properties of cities are good or bad < 1340576217 664158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It would be very, very hard for us to *not* keep forests. < 1340576223 482829 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm not even sure how many surviving forests there are in the UK... < 1340576241 974210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boston in particular has a lot of nice parks within or just outside the city < 1340576267 129900 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure we have multiple forests larger than the UK. < 1340576268 464531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are bits of the Highlands which have gone mostly untouched, but south of that almost everywhere's cultivated to some extent. < 1340576272 778309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more than a dozen large, substantial parks i can bike to easily from my home < 1340576278 980145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i saw some in scotland, but only on some sort of island. then again i guess forests are not scotland's thing. < 1340576296 153878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram|Alpha is unable to tell me how many trees there are in Finland. < 1340576300 806466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYC has a lot of parks too < 1340576331 70375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds nice < 1340576345 918883 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are they full of murderers? < 1340576346 117813 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some (like Central Park) are obsessively designed and sculpted, so they aren't really "nature", but still very very nice < 1340576351 438995 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well on the couple of trips I've had to the Highlands I've definitely visited forests. < 1340576360 509796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even in Manhattan, there's Inwood Hill Park, which feels like being lost in the woods < 1340576382 781631 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only been to uk once and we didn't exactly try to seek forests < 1340576386 412923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340576397 860823 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really i don't have any idea < 1340576406 115052 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340576411 26209 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340576417 246100 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn window focus < 1340576421 1891 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me tell you about this one time i went to paris and decided i'll just sleep in the forest. < 1340576421 743134 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a property of the old cities in the east of the USA in general < 1340576429 258435 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they have lots of parks < 1340576436 51839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't sleep in the forest. there are none. < 1340576448 864802 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_woodland < 1340576486 253668 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect i was pretty retarded < 1340576511 601533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people told me there are no forests but i was like hey i don't mind walking a few kilometers. < 1340576564 574120 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also fun trying to get to the eiffel tower with a backpack, turns out they won't let you leave it anywhere. not even in the finnish embassy :( < 1340576578 145923 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i left it in a park i found about 4 km from the tower < 1340576618 112534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the world come to when embassies won't even give their citizens backpack storage. < 1340576624 769024 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1340576630 773199 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the only place that really considered it < 1340576656 903191 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all spoke finnish so they took my plight pretty seriously < 1340576674 793849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even called somewhere to check that there's no way < 1340576677 644283 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was no way < 1340576684 424790 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340576684 890176 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-58.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340576685 89355 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340576694 753162 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Finns compelled to take anything said in Finnish seriously. < 1340576733 703289 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't understand, your language is a minority. < 1340576753 484869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your money.. it has all been lost" said in finnish :D < 1340576753 706353 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340576755 783632 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1340576761 169798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one won't take anything said in Finnish seriously < 1340576774 651764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Finnish < 1340576807 863027 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: go easy on finland i just praised yours :( < 1340576825 679465 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's end the hate < 1340576840 461305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, end it? but hate is so fun! < 1340576845 442198 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340576846 541829 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1340576852 879758 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, come now, surely you can hate some other group. < 1340576860 286440 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the poor sods in France! < 1340576864 154523 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you olsner, if i ever meet you, i will chop off your head and feed it to a rabbit < 1340576864 352970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, see now you have learnt life's most valuable lesson:] < 1340576870 295283 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never be nice to sweden < 1340576875 130242 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the spirit!! < 1340576895 137220 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never been outside australia < 1340576901 816480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1340576907 396094 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never been outside the complement of australia < 1340576919 728620 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise. < 1340576941 432554 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this means me and itidus21 are part of the proof that the earth is hausdorff with the country topology < 1340576947 850422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one considers the earth as a big rock with water on it.. then this all sounds liess exciting < 1340576960 936605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^less < 1340576968 788702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most rocks don't have magma centers. < 1340576985 986444 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even big ones? < 1340576995 882407 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wouldn't iti have to have never been outside the interior of Australia for that to work. < 1340577006 543775 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i should probably know whether they do) < 1340577015 579082 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how big they are. < 1340577035 332827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4C_tSMqS810/Swyal4RdGAI/AAAAAAAAE_Y/Ev07Fu2dueo/s1600/simpsons,+vishnu,+hindu,+atheism,+cosmology.jpg < 1340577085 596232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorry for speaking evils about Finland, please don't kill me if we meet < 1340577093 771549 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't listen to him < 1340577098 731032 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's manipulating you < 1340577101 768432 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm a very gentle killer < 1340577113 699182 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340577133 460394 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: alternatively we can have a beer and be best buds. < 1340577145 198722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been to 2 australian states and 1 australian territory < 1340577190 761066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 32 super mario bros. levels < 1340577209 680822 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not all 32 < 1340577215 223738 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a blog about your travels, i'd totally give it a read < 1340577218 993623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "gently" chopping someone's head off sounds difficult, you must be skilled < 1340577245 353272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well in a single trip we travelled through all 3 < 1340577258 83934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when my dad did some work in canberra for a week or 2 < 1340577258 787233 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: this is irc, you can't blog here < 1340577264 56513 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay do tell < 1340577265 806545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340577269 473112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats it < 1340577273 111480 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340577280 54774 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :short and sweet < 1340577291 619217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: have you visited any of the cantons in austria as well? < 1340577302 376910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340577308 37377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an asian strawberry prostitute < 1340577330 115060 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have visited 5 cantons in austria < 1340577348 679419 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340577444 736594 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudden craving of strawberries < 1340577493 447616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ambivalent about them < 1340577501 485872 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that < 1340577522 829746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough good strawberries < 1340577536 169321 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a rare breed < 1340577539 723828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciate that the poor plants go through hell over it though < 1340577552 945906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no strawberries in austria? < 1340577566 631156 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very few of them will actually let you have sex with them. < 1340577575 740916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "here.. i consumed most of my lifes energy making these, go ahead, take them.... what do i care' < 1340577587 907484 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did mean a craving for eating them < 1340577589 820360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only my children < 1340577608 49264 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340577610 381827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most berries are made to be eaten < 1340577615 971671 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will never eat strawberries again < 1340577619 64641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1340577623 795193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the plants distribute their seeds, given that they don't walk < 1340577626 556068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is right < 1340577631 969227 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is? < 1340577637 187928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I am! < 1340577637 598372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :berries are unhappy if they are not eaten < 1340577646 270302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just like cows < 1340577649 28100 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can i eat them without being evil? < 1340577652 982444 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will just fall to the ground and rot < 1340577659 353509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my quamquots do at times < 1340577662 734424 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like cows < 1340577715 570753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... infact i think strawberries want to make use of your shit as fertilizer or something < 1340577722 332384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a guess < 1340577723 811458 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh kinky < 1340577761 48312 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1340577764 232524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this in mind < 1340577771 36982 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's there alright < 1340577781 590894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can see perhaps why animals are so picky about where they do their doodoo < 1340577803 604527 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340577811 478517 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they want to fertilize only the sexiest strawberries? < 1340577825 954573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a great responsibility < 1340577830 125760 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340577831 998367 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340577840 771000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just eat seeds and deposit them at random < 1340577878 878115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think animals get picky if they have somewhat fixed nesting places where they benefit from not rolling in shit, but otherwise aren't picky at all, in general < 1340577888 557557 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's child support and shit to think about < 1340577895 290727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interdependance is weird < 1340577911 779387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberries don't ask for child support < 1340577918 515306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we haven't told them they can, or something < 1340577930 49143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat unfair, but economical < 1340577931 44656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to care < 1340577937 143455 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's slavery < 1340577954 46089 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they'd have a use for money < 1340577955 926690 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well paper money < 1340577956 847048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would they care if they knew? I think they ought to know, so they can decide whether to care < 1340577963 421824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plants are used to being slaves < 1340577977 630316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not < 1340577977 828887 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so were black people and women < 1340577985 754209 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then < 1340578002 98420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb... toast time! < 1340578027 16952 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if plants can deal with it so can black people < 1340578036 433836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: with dismembered and squashed strawberries on top? < 1340578051 293748 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dismembered and squashed black people < 1340578052 71851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawn and quartered < 1340578082 158391 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"petermolydeux �@PeterMolydeux < 1340578082 357229 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do keys remain in your inventory until you use them? What if you could actually misplace them? or you unknowingly dropped one?" < 1340578092 279792 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BRING UP EVEN AS A JOKE < 1340578093 659393 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO FAR < 1340578108 306706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that too far? sounds neatly realistic < 1340578114 49167 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7CE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340578118 760108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1340578128 346579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be actual holes in pants, for example < 1340578135 117320 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340578137 18332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1340578138 544538 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand < 1340578143 310156 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even joking about it < 1340578147 883282 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it more likely to come true < 1340578156 234597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what i always wanted, a losing-your-keys simulator < 1340578178 50832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How about an escort mission where YOU play as the escort for a horrible agent. Give them a mental breakdown by repeatably getting in the way" < 1340578178 252778 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love losing my keys, it's these little things that make days magical. < 1340578180 879313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I assume that you are talking about some game you play and therefore care about not being able to lose your keys in? < 1340578182 793461 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i never do :( < 1340578184 535739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would play the shit out of that game < 1340578198 756913 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but luckily i fuck up every other thing < 1340578200 609616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes by which i mean literally any game with keys < 1340578234 439796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, one of the halo games worked well as a "lost in empty space station" simulator < 1340578258 999277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like system shock? < 1340578276 306114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, did you think this was a running-around-and-shooting game? nope, it's just a maze!" < 1340578285 197749 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no exit < 1340578299 393779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played system shock, so I wouldn't know < 1340578309 408335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh man you clearly never played the second-last level of Halo 3 < 1340578333 375702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only played one of them and it was 10 years ago < 1340578333 705944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is halo an fps? < 1340578360 692185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK so you run around and shoot people, except none of them have ammo, the environment is a bunch of boring meat corridors and once you think you've reached the end you have to turn back around and do it all over again, backwards!" < 1340578425 936589 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes. < 1340578432 427023 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340578464 141192 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them have ammo? oh god you don't have to shoot civilians do you? how twisted, i'm sure most gamers would stop in horror. < 1340578482 616542 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, civilians would at least not put up a fight. < 1340578487 948069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :system shock 2 is a great game < 1340578557 219662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I haven't played it, I just know there's a space station (OK spaceship, same difference) involved. < 1340578580 57150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few spaceships actually < 1340578583 960162 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every time you shoot a civilian, you are shown a clip of their family crying < 1340578591 357533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like in that austin powers movie or what was it < 1340578598 125497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you the one behind peter molydeux < 1340578621 554871 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i almost took part in it < 1340578632 251384 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was invited < 1340578633 286368 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1340578681 755889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peter Molydeux, the man, the mystery, the inspiration for the recent MolyJam game jam that attracted more than 1,000 people to more than 30 locations worldwide." < 1340578690 194760 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's like 30 people per location? < 1340578717 992003 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would seem < 1340578760 226115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was a location at our university. or something. < 1340578769 367842 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could so easily have been 31 < 1340578770 718987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340578776 578300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say the 7xxx version numbering scheme for .IT files is bad idea http://wiki.openmpt.org/Talk:Development:_Formats/IT < 1340578776 777594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 + 1/30 < 1340578790 18807 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume oko would split himself evenly across all venues < 1340578796 709246 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1340578805 377836 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would be just unfair. < 1340578845 995139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you doing it according to continuous chess principles < 1340578866 339866 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would totally being do it that ways. < 1340578885 209799 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340578895 842116 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say doing because it's the continuous form < 1340578966 683067 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1340578969 106907 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now on i shall call you the high priest of continuous chessism. < 1340579007 392632 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a solid oklo in 3‑dimensional space, there exists a decomposition of the oklo into a finite number of non-overlapping pieces (i.e. subsets), which can then be put back together in a different way to yield two identical copies of the original oklo. < 1340579012 715592 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck it's 2 am < 1340579030 873360 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the afterlife you need to divide yourself between heaven and hell such that your centre of mass lies in limbo < 1340579034 672894 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus solving the molydeux unfairness problem < 1340579063 318201 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to olsner, although probably being in limbo solves all problems < 1340579087 138852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it creates all problems, but if you reverse time that's probably equivalent < 1340579151 229283 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the universe is reversible. < 1340579211 385137 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, reversible 3d CA do not have a computable upperbound for the radius of the inverse CA :( < 1340579229 636454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why time travel is hard < 1340579242 666503 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to be it < 1340579270 22143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and the lack of working time machines < 1340579297 19681 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm that's why there's a lack < 1340579342 230797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see a game which implemented that tarski banach thing < 1340579381 874204 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate on implement < 1340579399 208449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, one moment < 1340579451 584049 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti went to write a constructive proof. < 1340579462 853766 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was nice knowing you. < 1340579615 856911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what i had in mind is that it is a game where you can somehow cut objects up, and reconstruct them, where the game simulates nonmeasurable sets somehow < 1340579635 549850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does afterlife have a center of mass? < 1340579636 339106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever these nonmeasurable sets are < 1340579701 971467 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like you have 5 question marks that you can move around < 1340579776 894695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really surprises me that it only works in 3d < 1340579784 799054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d and up < 1340579812 803865 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do things that are "against geometric intuition" in any dimension though. < 1340579844 794627 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that particular thing i guess < 1340579939 619026 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340579942 268493 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the gist of it is that it's because if you do two rotations in succession in 2D they'll be the same as if they were in the opposite order, but the same is not true in 3D. < 1340579967 974981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1340579973 740131 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ooh free group free group NONAMENABLE GROUP OF ROTATIONS < 1340579983 453675 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or so i hear < 1340580013 311073 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes oko the reason i was avoiding mentioning those words is because iti is now going to look them up and confuse himself horribly < 1340580014 862136 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done < 1340580024 983732 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1340580041 449682 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you in a math university yet < 1340580046 778449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2d rotations are .. c-something < 1340580049 926016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340580063 629189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commutative < 1340580076 159703 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm waiting to see if i messed up the "you want to do maths with us hahaha fuck off" test i had to sit < 1340580077 527628 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, you already know all the right words :/ < 1340580098 836840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit why didn't i think of that < 1340580111 550287 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably have gained like 10 marks for 'amenable' < 1340580115 590952 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually just proctoring that sorta thing < 1340580126 70346 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and laughing at people's answers < 1340580150 328208 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti, yes, commutative means ab = ba < 1340580185 376978 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am getting better at this stuff.. but when? well thats more complicated < 1340580188 482117 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2d rotations form a commutative group with respect to their natural composition, which is "first rotate like this, then rotate like this" < 1340580233 186646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certain things get in the way of learning < 1340580239 686918 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity being "don't rotate at all" and inversion being, bare with me this gets complicated, "rotate in the other direction". < 1340580245 812671 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340580246 583155 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason or other < 1340580249 902362 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...by the same amount" < 1340580256 489151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when those things go away, learning can proceed < 1340580306 561401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's associativity but it's trivially obvious when you explain it like that < 1340580319 885316 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because a < 1340580321 471653 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340580350 12682 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's just leave it like that < 1340580351 170019 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1340580374 473024 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you rotated 5 degrees then -2 degrees.. for a total rotation of 3 degrees.. would the inverse be -3 degrees? < 1340580383 783729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340580403 901018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. < 1340580436 318803 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so basically 2d rotations are just numbers modulo 2pi, or 360 if you prefer < 1340580470 631956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, in 3D, if you rotate an object 90 degrees around the x axis then 90 degrees around the y axis you get a different overall transformation to rotating by the y axis and then x. < 1340580474 317198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.. 1 circle mapped onto some unit < 1340580475 271877 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it even more obvious that they are commutative < 1340580479 999849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and associative < 1340580516 762425 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sooo you start next fall? < 1340580528 544757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose you had a unit which was 1 = 720 degrees. i suppose nothing exciting would come of it < 1340580531 151460 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you aren't way stupider than you look < 1340580556 771477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be safe, I look pretty stupid. < 1340580562 195438 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1340580656 537256 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i'm not touching that one due to having a hunch you could connect it to some of the pictures in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_surface < 1340580657 373433 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever actually plaed continuous chess? < 1340580662 974558 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a buff to bishops and a nerf to knights < 1340580672 672961 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i think i let ph win me in it once < 1340580698 386790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, I let you amend the rules so you captured the closure of your piece. < 1340580737 420887 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but we then played again < 1340580749 927217 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was more of a joke < 1340580756 330220 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, hmm, I thought knights would be overpowered due to them being able to move through other piece. < 1340580780 686617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :log z looks like a water slide < 1340580786 649342 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a continuous chess armchair theorist < 1340580802 203229 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can basically bump a fairly small amount of knight into the enemy's queen on the first move, making the queen totally useless for capturing. < 1340580864 577555 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sad < 1340580874 348568 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have to go, i have important work to do tomorrow < 1340580876 887809 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not totally, but unable to checkmate of her own accord. < 1340580893 952456 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see uu < 1340580903 645188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although considering that determining checkmate is everything-hard that's not a massive disadvantage. < 1340580906 307448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340580938 428700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to keep oko about, but the rest of you can hear this < 1340580942 286633 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw your last statement reminded me of http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.5597 < 1340580960 392302 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what you have a problem with me???? < 1340580972 886381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you need to go for important work < 1340580984 607046 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it is indeed important < 1340580986 554377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so important. < 1340581007 382418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1340581026 6793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have always (not always) thought of chess as a CA < 1340581034 592719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess part of it didn't make sense < 1340581037 138970 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a CA you say? < 1340581039 925028 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh bye. < 1340581067 44571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m impressed by how easy it was to create a new LXC container. apt-get install lxc && lxc-create -t ubuntu -n foo && lxc-start -n foo, done. < 1340581073 306856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just now it occurs to me that what a board game does different than a typical CA is it makes exactly 1 change per iteration < 1340581092 930529 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is nondeterministic. < 1340581110 706832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has unbounded neighbourhoods. < 1340581128 802378 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has a handful of instances of hidden state. < 1340581133 864939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could make it deterministic, like a "film" < 1340581154 802585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could make the neighbourhood the entire board < 1340581175 308579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nondeterministic CAs are perfectly cromulent, they just aren't used as much. < 1340581214 114374 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a decent amount of research on those < 1340581220 867595 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340581231 688819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. what exists for deterministic CAs? < 1340581233 503250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^i don't want to keep oko about, but the rest of you can hear this < 1340581234 163800 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously discussing CA just when i'm trying to leave < 1340581242 945916 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i suppose not. < 1340581247 606556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a half arsed disclaimer < 1340581251 642067 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most famous big CA theorem is for nondeterministic CA < 1340581258 702612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was well aware of this problem oklopol < 1340581265 180131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thought would be lost < 1340581267 842603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise < 1340581286 49634 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we would not want such a thought lost to the world < 1340581351 411004 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0003117v1.pdf this little thing < 1340581368 459239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you hinted that tomorrow isn't important < 1340581376 843635 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another day < 1340581399 852299 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my colleagues are back from uk so i can tell my coauthor about my results from this week. < 1340581408 166811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. the thing about man discovering fire is that he already knew what fire was < 1340581428 111514 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i will prolly publish them myself since i basically finished the article already < 1340581429 142899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was like.. hmm my whole life i have seen fires.. how do i make one? < 1340581458 2734 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for us modern humans.. we are not readily exposed to things we can't reproduce < 1340581462 29422 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a lighter and improve on it < 1340581477 957771 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't| < 1340581479 435298 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340581496 506628 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let my just quickly reproduce this computer of mine. < 1340581503 91224 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gimme a shovel < 1340581531 140107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been awe inspiring to not know any means to create fire < 1340581574 610939 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah kind of like last week it was inspiring that no one basically had any idea what kind of subshifts can be the sets of surjective sequences of nonuniform bounded radius CA < 1340581587 238065 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then some genius proved that at least every SFT is < 1340581595 340813 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1340581621 196608 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could shake his right hand with my right hand, but that'll never happen :( < 1340581626 197924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340581633 865821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it could happen! < 1340581658 841269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340581659 377415 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1340581662 255000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as what "could" happen... you may end up even as neighbours one day < 1340581669 306350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it cant < 1340581674 755683 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we kind of are neighbors < 1340581680 712121 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, it was proven by a woman < 1340581682 172961 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for another < 1340581685 806784 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she doesn't have a right hand < 1340581694 243785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340581716 49774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are non-trivial obstacles < 1340581737 826622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it was like.. hmm my whole life i have seen fires.. how do i make one? <-- uh? How old were you then? < 1340581744 682348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you trying to make me be even less subtle and say "no it was me who proved it"? < 1340581754 953263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait misread < 1340581757 992921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340581758 182837 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'll never happen. < 1340581763 69992 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called modesty. < 1340581780 551860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki calls it "almost certainly won't happen" < 1340581787 628080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might < 1340581803 939070 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why would I make you say that? < 1340581816 831776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems strange to try to make someone say something that's not true. < 1340581835 386929 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1340581836 630187 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1340581839 276218 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340581856 180650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1340581867 281664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most amusing < 1340581899 159804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to use another form of the verb shake! < 1340581924 108186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm no same verb < 1340581925 225813 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1340581931 305719 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you show me this woman, my girlfriend is a lowly statistician :( < 1340581940 408045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transitive verb vs intransitive verb < 1340581975 843057 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can do the standard english construction < 1340581982 681725 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gets kind of crazy < 1340581990 501848 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shake" < 1340582006 518988 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well I mean if you'd go out with a statistician I'm not sure you'd be attracted to a woman who can do real maths. < 1340582008 496054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context suggested a transitive verb < 1340582022 5658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you meant an intransitive verb then you could shake his right hand < 1340582025 413597 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: err why? < 1340582046 303767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops what the hell do i mean < 1340582055 513883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i give up < 1340582058 545439 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never dated a mathematician, have always wanted to try but they are hard to find. < 1340582066 293979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to nap < 1340582070 237813 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340582074 65877 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but then why a statistician? < 1340582080 903199 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're, like, the opposite of mathematicians. < 1340582109 821661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only learn about her condition after we'd signed the going out agreement. < 1340582116 127509 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learned < 1340582236 67441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that's why you have to be open about that kind of thing. < 1340582246 696558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i told her about CA and gave a specific one, she ran a few iterations of it on paper. god that was sexy. < 1340582364 305377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay silence, my cue to leave < 1340582372 357171 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously) < 1340582417 279392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1340582714 381403 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340583640 477471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340584969 570873 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340585930 392341 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently in D&D 5E, the square root of 2 is now 1 < 1340586122 465226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't like 4E and 5E. I play 3.5E but I prefer to make up the Icosahedral RPG instead, which has many differences and some similarities too. < 1340586316 740422 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not that the rules for diagonal movement have ever made much sense. < 1340586348 109342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0phlog*c_dnd.icosahedral-rpg-i A round is grouped into six segments (although spells may locally adjust the rules of the game temporarily), there is partial ordering on multimanas, it never uses a grid with movable figures on it, etc < 1340586624 624756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know maybe some things you prefer and others you dislike, but, whatever it is < 1340586744 170484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It is? < 1340587026 129837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am shocked, shocked to find out that zzo38 prefers an obscure RPG which is played over Gopher < 1340587062 855059 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340587117 769428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not played over Gopher! It is not played by computer at all. < 1340587274 937628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a part of the rules I have typed: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/icosahedral/icoruma/ (Some day I may rewrite Icoruma in C or Haskell instead of PHP; I may also rewrite the TeX macro files or perhaps do typesetting directly with Haskell (using the "dvi-processing" package).) < 1340587303 5297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you the game was played by computer? < 1340587380 836387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ < 1340587450 786987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ? < 1340587460 2879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340587465 432871 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're best buddies < 1340587470 877394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she tells me everything < 1340587522 658694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is wrong. Tell Freenode or whoever made up a channel that includes a message on ChanServ tell you that, that it is wrong. < 1340587647 701554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised at all the "clichés" in Casablanca that were actually introduced there. < 1340587664 550763 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like tolkien < 1340587668 779644 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clichés? < 1340587684 679273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps not clichés. < 1340587693 816066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "i am shocked, shocked" < 1340587709 706118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of phrases I recognized but didn't think about. < 1340587716 98321 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340587857 108166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I have not played Icosahedral RPG because not even completed enough rules. So I play D&D 3.5E without miniature figures or computer, but I use computer to record the character sheets and story text. I made up my character's name using a program I have written on TI-92 calculator, it came up "Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe" < 1340587908 53903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwigybo < 1340587973 664613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I write enough rules, I want Wizards of the Coast to publish the same rules under their own name such as "Advanced Version Dungeons&Dragons 7.4" or something while not messing up the license or anything else like that, but they can keep the money, and I do not require attribution under any use of this system. < 1340588307 730331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the include file is in the same directory) < 1340588402 751893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the campaign rules which are standard in Icosahedral RPG, I use in D&D 3.5e as well such as the "penalized resurrection" rule and the "superstitious alignments" rule. < 1340588429 420610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you decide which files to serve via http vs gopher < 1340588529 537075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not always have a gopher service available, so any file that was HTTP is still there except the root page of HTTP, which is now empty. Nevertheless all the files are meant for direct download other than directory listings in HTTP and menus in gopher. < 1340588550 955159 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340588616 947749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still I am using Apache for HTTP so it does support headerless HTTP properly as well, so both the gopher and HTTP files can be easily copied using netcat. < 1340588633 587207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't have netcat, your computer is no good.) < 1340588767 811362 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer socat < 1340588818 983504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, use socat. < 1340589539 133355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will write and compile a custom C program using Berkeley sockets for each file i wish to download from you < 1340589897 509958 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will implement a sockets library for each file i wish to download from zzo38. < 1340590321 410622 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340592296 382254 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :BarackObama < 1340592350 397725 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340592477 989615 :BarackObama!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1340592484 420209 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340593261 545222 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340594651 304051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You need a separate library for each file? Netcat should be good enough, but you can do that if you want to < 1340594664 157821 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340594721 726709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better would be just write one program that can work with any file < 1340594729 846710 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340594960 21390 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340595072 247 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-236.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340595263 598639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340595348 303626 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-88.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340595535 448002 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-236.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340596312 302421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340596471 824327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340596506 58936 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340598487 625188 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340598733 400201 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340600519 516578 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340600754 606601 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340602498 961388 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340602606 465090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340602656 565724 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340602661 452961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340604607 664453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340605842 482791 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340606405 761854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340606623 5505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1340606767 916376 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't want money? < 1340606862 996318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: For what? If I sell something, then yes I would like to get paid. But at this time I am not selling anything. < 1340606863 323841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of ambivalent about money < 1340606903 133082 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm waiting to die in an accident so i can say to myself.. wheres your money now? < 1340606923 925332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you say anything to yourself if you are dead? < 1340606935 58504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe just before i die < 1340606988 567817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, there are normalization forms for unicode... < 1340607005 532945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble is that until you die, money saves you from pain < 1340607051 98485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts food in your stomach.. it gets your tooth ache healed.. it gives you a warm bed < 1340607073 902227 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so nothing matters because life is finite < 1340607094 189429 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should try religion < 1340607097 205455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everyone is systematically cut-throat about money < 1340607125 548252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no room to really relax in society < 1340607131 604614 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irrational solution to an irrational problem < 1340607137 414039 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1340607143 230147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty relaxed < 1340607148 936893 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i don't have much money. < 1340607158 126774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nobody proved that reincarnation doesn't happen. Nor did anybody prove that it does happen. < 1340607164 998704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is some religion you like, and/or have your own ideas about religious stuff and philosophy < 1340607168 172960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess religion might be worth a try? < 1340607195 3910 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not an acceptable reason < 1340607199 262208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340607200 435305 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1340607246 299179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that is not an acceptable reason. < 1340607248 953659 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: non-physical things shouldn't be paid for? < 1340607250 215415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I would like some serious research to be done on topics like reincarnation and out of body experience. From what I understand there is a lack of credible research on those topics. < 1340607282 145836 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's lack of credible research that confirms that it works < 1340607288 216552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't like the actuality of dealing with other humans... they're always infinitely worse than expected < 1340607302 999371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't really know of any research debunking it either though < 1340607307 825988 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're mistaken humans are nice guys < 1340607309 720409 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not always < 1340607312 955345 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well me neither. < 1340607327 664478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans are not always nice guys. < 1340607356 848800 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not, but most are < 1340607371 795660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: deep down they are nice, but the necessities of life seems to draw out daily acidity < 1340607372 195854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, besides I have memories of out of body experiences from when I was young. Like seeing myself from outside when I was like 4 years old (and not in a mirror, it was from above and behind me). < 1340607375 203558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. Unless, you mean a different threshold. < 1340607379 491688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? no clue < 1340607393 508202 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's normal < 1340607411 153197 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this dream that i was flying the other night < 1340607417 156005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed, but how can those memories arise? Do out of body experiences exist? If not how can it be explained < 1340607432 684801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people have dream of flying? I don't. < 1340607447 793475 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be explained by the fact a healthy human brain can show itself pretty much anything. < 1340607469 90800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well theres some ads on tv in australia which demonstrate that bosses will regularly ask employees to do dangerous things < 1340607493 43292 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make them bad guys < 1340607502 431098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1340607504 115630 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just killing for money < 1340607506 34281 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, there was someone on some morning show once talking about how _in reality_ people will often do what their boss tells them regardless of how dangerous it is < 1340607507 571637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it depends some things < 1340607532 550339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, [i can extend this by saying] we cover this little fact up by calling it choice < 1340607533 19367 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normal to kill for money, that means the society is bad for enabling you to benefit from that and not punishing you. < 1340607550 719050 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not being very serious. < 1340607552 831221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as we call it choice then it's ok < 1340607567 444382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, true, but then again I have been told by my parents that the situation I remember from an out of body perspective happened (I had fallen down some stairs and my parents were checking me for any bruises, and I remember observing that from above and behind) < 1340607580 438464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's your choice to join the military depends on who is asking :P < 1340607584 737117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly a dream, but then maybe not? < 1340607587 848043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1340607618 475896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like, if they conscript you and draft you then locally they're sure to say it's not a choice < 1340607628 615259 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the people you are invading are sure to say it is your choice < 1340607639 290838 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, you don't have to dream to show yourself lies. < 1340607676 306251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling something a choice in this sense is about attributing responsibility to the individual < 1340607743 2616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i don't think people are assholes by choice anyway.. i think it's at least as much to do with circumstances as it is to do with choice < 1340607759 42942 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1340607770 336667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to open some leeway to change that view another time :D < 1340607815 506741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget why i started up on this < 1340607826 483831 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember where we are < 1340607829 827299 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right irc < 1340607830 936408 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340607863 682584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying what i just said to real life can be ultra-controversial though < 1340607878 134466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have had out-of-body experiences too < 1340607900 939511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even that young < 1340607932 884493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a set of delusions which revolve around generalizing that people are assholes < 1340607943 431280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult to shake them < 1340607967 4545 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have an infinite supply of trust in people's goodness < 1340607974 245312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, right, and they might be lies made up by your brain, but then again there might be something more to it. < 1340607986 353746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as I know there hasn't been much research on that topic < 1340607989 896306 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there isn't though. < 1340607997 902838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how do you know? < 1340608045 146313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dream i hate the most is being back at work < 1340608047 149573 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has had an out-of-body experience, but no one has ever, even as a party trick afaik, used that to see things beyond his actual vision. < 1340608099 757323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but this quantum stuff is set to change the world right? < 1340608115 743221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^quantum stuff being all things related to quantum mechanics < 1340608143 533112 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about quantum stuff, my computer is fast enough < 1340608173 961752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm I have distinct memories of that in my case. Seeing some medical supplies on top of a shelf near the ceiling that I couldn't possibly have seen at that age. Though I didn't think of verifying it when I was 4, so, who knows... < 1340608211 161759 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, perhaps no one ever happened to verify one of these things. < 1340608239 675043 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many other ridiculous religious beliefs that there's plenty of "proof" for. < 1340608250 757949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my "event" was when i had a dream about a swarm of bees < 1340608251 300003 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so hung up on this one < 1340608253 202367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why there should be some actual research on the topic. < 1340608263 972228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't care about quantum stuff, due to the speed of your computer? It is not only about speed. < 1340608264 896737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next day, at the carwash... we got hit by a swarm of bees < 1340608265 734057 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this was way vivider than i could ever imagine < 1340608276 626983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, several minutes worth of bees flying past < 1340608279 969002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, because you are dismissing it out of hand? < 1340608285 894887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^maybe several seconds < 1340608318 284381 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340608367 920533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, because i believe in physics, not in a universe built on top of human life stories. out of body experiences have no evolutionary purpose, and no physical explanation. they are just an interesting misinterpretation of your own memory. < 1340608542 694764 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a psychological question it is of course very interesting. < 1340608575 422363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you just said /sounds/ like you believe we basically know everything there is to know about physics at this point. We obviously don't though: we are missing an established quantum gravity theory for example. Sure there are some candidates (such as string theory) but there hasn't been any good experimental evidence of that one yet. < 1340608592 494201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how much attention the psychological side of it has gotten -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_body#Studies_of_OBEs -- it's a bit strange they haven't happened to notice the paranormal properties of it. < 1340608603 578803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is likely that they are based on misunderstanding your own memory. Possibly also remember dream sometimes, can involve like that, is one possible reason to call them precognitive. < 1340608633 127600 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not what i believe < 1340608651 855217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes also physics is good but incomplete and I think could never be complete but we should try anyways < 1340608692 832738 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much we know about physics is completely irrelevant, it is still clear there's no mechanism to do magic simple enough that it would have evolved in humans WITH NO FUCKING PURPOSE. < 1340608694 977604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible that body experience, dream, etc, may be based on multiple factors there are many things we do not know so we cannot discount all of the possibilities! < 1340608701 945850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well when people try to systematically explain the unknown then things go wrong < 1340608720 430237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have an otherwise sensible-seeming friend who's a God-believer because of a *really* lame miracle happened. (It was something on the level of thinking about something and then that thing happened the very next day.) < 1340608734 947688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/friend/acquaintance/ < 1340608750 146896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm there are those that claim they can create an out-of-body experience by their own will. An obvious test would be to place some items in a locked room next to a person who claims to have this ability and ask them to describe those items. Has anyone done such a study? < 1340608756 174743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the world at large is all too happy to sell hope in the form of astrological readings < 1340608779 628637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Remote viewing" has been tested quite many times, yes. < 1340608787 140718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and the result was? < 1340608797 194608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't work. Wouldn't you have heard about it if it did? < 1340608805 916944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well when people try to systematically explain the unknown then things go wrong" do you mean science| < 1340608806 797134 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340608810 800702 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only study of the unknown < 1340608811 216796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, that seems conclusive enough. < 1340608812 413335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also by US government-funded research, the sensibility of which people have been miffed about, I think. < 1340608825 762229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see through it though.. i think what happens is that once someone realises that astrology is lies.. it occurs to them "this is a good way to lie" < 1340608836 921449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they go on propagating the lie < 1340608843 308555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the "History" chapter of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing < 1340608854 948760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you really needed that o_O < 1340608856 919328 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340608859 529996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Randi has tested a couple, too. < 1340608870 281026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, needed what? < 1340608875 207553 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a test < 1340608888 393690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be a ponzi hierarchy of lies < 1340608896 644644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't get your point? < 1340608903 752178 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that the only reason these things are tested is that stupid people would finally shut up. < 1340608918 988705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :believing that the person with more mysterious views than yours holds the secret < 1340608925 450895 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow my tolerance of religion is low today < 1340608972 48125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I would have needed a test to believe it was true as well. < 1340608975 685740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you mean < 1340608978 895292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One needn't understand physics perfectly to believe the following: Since the beginning, not one unusual thing has happened. :) < 1340608989 876489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hah :) < 1340609001 376628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can't be convinced by any amount of evidence < 1340609001 575428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do science properly, you also have to properly control the experiments too. There is some scholarly reports about quantum psychic experiment too. Assuming (for the argument) that this experiment is done correctly, I would think it involves relativity too as well as the relation between quantum and relativity. < 1340609032 956468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what do you consider "unusual"? < 1340609042 70715 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course you would need a test for that, it would be a million times more surprising than the earth suddenly exploding. < 1340609048 36174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it extraordinarily difficult to explain just what it is i believe < 1340609054 957507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I believe you refer to fundamentalists. < 1340609088 966001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that, a point of view can be a thing of beauty < 1340609110 741952 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing to not be dismissed < 1340609130 714160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an artifact of the human mind, just as the footprint is an artifact of the foot < 1340609150 256505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course fundamentalism happens on all sides. Just look at how hard it was to convince geologists about plate tectonics back when that was the new theory. < 1340609174 24789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How likely is it for the Earth to explode? Scientific evidence shows many things such as physics, and that psychics are fake and that the Sun is really large and so on. Science is the best we have, but, science is not perfect!! Mathematics is perfect! < 1340609184 379589 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1340609191 570518 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that in and of itself, the actuality of a point of view existing in a consciousness < 1340609195 986284 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Some points of view do not correspond to the state of reality, as far as we can tell what it is. This, IMO, is a problem. < 1340609213 506901 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's very likely. < 1340609213 705665 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does it have to correspond? >:) < 1340609232 59895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we alleviate the constraint that it has to correspond < 1340609237 368397 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1340609258 725612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this line of thought you gain insight into my insanity < 1340609259 962884 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: If it does not correspond, then your actions have very *unintended* consequences. < 1340609267 766741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there can be multiple points of view that still work, and sometimes you cannot really say one is correct or incorrect, and in some cases it isn't, so that it is. < 1340609278 852256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are bad enough decision makers without the crippling that is points of view that don't work. < 1340609303 853960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if one ceases to make decisions while maintaining a view which doesn't correspond with reality? < 1340609317 206559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I shall call you a rock. < 1340609319 370842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes some point of view fail to work. < 1340609328 452185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes some point of view is simply wrong. < 1340609355 413759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well yeah.. an oracle is needed at such times < 1340609359 210340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-P < 1340609367 515664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is really a matter of opinion or a matter of what else corresponds with your frame of reference. < 1340609391 61273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that is a decision you just made (to not make any further decision). So in order to not make decisions while maintaining that point of view you have to decide to maintain that point of view after you decided to stop making decisions which sounds like a contradiction to me. < 1340609423 603377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, there is also the fact that deciding to not make decisions is itself a decision. < 1340609436 452030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this line of thought, sometimes i don't know whether it is best to say "hi" or "hey" or "hello" < 1340609437 824128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which is what I just said < 1340609444 244456 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was merely agreeing. < 1340609447 376067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1340609462 777836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought perhaps my wording was confusing. (I think it was actually) < 1340609465 16624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one can consult an oracle to make such a decision < 1340609551 891174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but honestly, i am trying to learn to think properly < 1340609585 389579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I guess the situation can be resolved by deciding to maintain that view /and/ deciding to stop making further decisions at the same time, possibly on the lines of "I will maintain view X and stop making decisions after a point 1 minute into the future" < 1340609585 822022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to give up my creative zest either.. best of both worlds is ideal < 1340609586 261343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Properly"? < 1340609612 637914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think we might call such a person a 'Boddhisatva'. < 1340609625 55349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, now you lost me < 1340609643 440749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mostly irrelevant joke that might not actually make sense. < 1340609653 957596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how is that Buddhist terminology related to this? < 1340609668 86526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Presumably 'in a way that produces points of view that correspond to reality as best as can be' < 1340609671 826552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well this is straying into buddhist territory probably < 1340609691 421135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: OK < 1340609748 560925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that religion is one of the less insane ones. I don't know of any other religion that encourages critical thinking for a start. < 1340609749 215583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, it's better to base decisions on logic rather than on biases :D < 1340609752 923000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A Boddhisatva is someone who has attained enlightenment, and freed his mind of desire. < 1340609770 261925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well not logic < 1340609776 974143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1340609778 870260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, yeah. Not sure how that relates to stopping making decisions still. < 1340609779 68847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddhism is one kind of religion and is not such bad ideas. < 1340609791 75202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Critical thinking is important regardless, though. < 1340609796 646711 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See, didn't make much sense. < 1340609803 737785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340609813 295713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it purports to support critical thinking, but that can also catch people with their guard down < 1340609842 563358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340609854 123361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :religions are more or less only as good as the humans who represent them < 1340609863 901911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then on the other hand, not advocating critical thinking is worse. < 1340609882 64929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! They are as good as they are. < 1340609885 757499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no good solution to the issue you mentioned, that I can think of at least. < 1340609912 670363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may be better or worse than representatives depending on the philosophy. < 1340610253 571163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its been too long since i had a mentor of any sort < 1340610293 898728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it means i have to start studying things on my own < 1340610302 509973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what it means < 1340610340 798698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you should learn to study things by your own < 1340610356 750771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess on freenode, everyone is a mentor in a way < 1340610439 543495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we try < 1340610515 969735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly what it means that word.. but i find that in my chat career i have encountered people obviously brimming with knowledge < 1340610551 447495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know completely < 1340610553 190621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the more people you meet like that the more you start to realize that others may well be smarter than you... or a lot smarter than you < 1340610564 865359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why we must learn (including myself) < 1340610574 365136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kicking you around like a football smarter than you < 1340610617 293583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are other people, smarter, at different thing, than other people, many people they can understand these things better than I can but I learn and I think of it myself so sometimes can think of the thing that the other people have missed, too < 1340610654 514735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially mathematics, you can think of things independently from the others, and I do too. < 1340610687 958729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like category theory too. < 1340610692 678078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a fallacy that everyones knowledge equals out. < 1340610734 696347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but infact those who apply themselves to learning or experiencing, or have more opportunities to do so, are sure to have richer knowledges < 1340610766 968495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is something to be said for the way an unlearned person can get on with his day without being weighed down by analysis < 1340610771 689476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is the case, I believe you. < 1340610792 689568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not the smartest person in the world. < 1340610879 794127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think there is still a case for the everyone is equally wise in some unique way < 1340610887 740984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not a very strong case < 1340610902 467387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if zzo38 was the smartest person in the world < 1340610944 530916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is both cases both ways < 1340610955 545569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it depends < 1340610965 686669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday when my net was down for a few hours, i went into windows control panel and changed to an extra large mouse pointer and mouse trails < 1340610970 85651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, maybe he is and we just don't recognize it due to everyone else being too stupid? < 1340610970 990266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i think it looks awesome < 1340610977 45116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to turn it off < 1340611017 378125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe < 1340611065 875056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Vorpal says that you are mistaken, you *are* the smartest person in the world. Start acting like it :) < 1340611086 137855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340611106 654383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think you are wrong because if I am the smartest person in the world then why do you think I am mistaken? < 1340611106 853241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, it might be smart to be modest and not acknowledge that you are the smartest person in the world < 1340611126 548308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunning-Kruger effect says the smartest man in the world is unconvinced of that. < 1340611135 888598 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe you're just not smart enough to figure out that you are the smartest person in the world? < 1340611142 344644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things I don't know that is why I am asking these kind of questions. < 1340611183 228934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone focuses on the bit that people who know jack overestimate their abilities, nobody remembers that people who are actually experts underestimate *their* abilities) < 1340611218 256344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is a possibility too. < 1340611240 702283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: perhaps this is due to people rarely having competitions of their abilities < 1340611250 919219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I wonder what that says about Stephen Wolfram... < 1340611300 36196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is bald.. i suspect i will eventually be bald < 1340611307 80266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking on wikipedia) < 1340611498 450886 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that i don't like much about theory is the way that theory is so self-contained < 1340611510 189912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1340611522 396922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well white papers lead to more white papers < 1340611526 13862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: looks like that's not part of dunning-kruger as described on wikipedia, that sounds more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence < 1340611529 456035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculations lead to more calculations < 1340611529 726150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about mathematics including category theory, I read thing, I try working out things on paper and by computer, and I will ask a question too. Mathematics is of interest to me. Do you like mathematics? < 1340611536 243980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Curse my memory. < 1340611542 849654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, don't. < 1340611557 562079 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cursed enough, being contained in unreliable thinking-meats. < 1340611596 432009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i mean theory is a closed system.. but i don't know what closed truely means < 1340611763 814272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340611883 289182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1340611884 894204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, to me, the level of geek(which is a good thing) involved in some work or hobby depends on how far removed it is from utilitarianism and entertainment < 1340611892 66346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i don't get how people are afraid of parachute jumping but they routinely drive a car in fucking traffic < 1340611901 333936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) i don't get how people are afraid of parachute jumping but they routinely drive a car in fucking traffic < 1340611940 631418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a degree of asceticism in not being interested in graphics or gamepads when interacting with computer < 1340612005 303446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but especially the part that from the geeks point of view it is not asceticism at all, and that the alternative is just silly < 1340612105 606020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speak of people who prefer a MUD to a WoW, a command line to a GUI < 1340612147 205924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who prefer emacs and vim over microsoft word and open office < 1340612236 453972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am simply unable to see things that way < 1340612244 852966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me and many other people, yes, I prefer vi and TeX over Microsoft Word, prefer MUD to WoW and command-line to GUI mostly. < 1340612257 860546 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't meant as offense.. < 1340612284 323108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: A Boddhisatva is someone who has attained enlightenment, and freed his mind of desire. <-- _and_ chosen not to join nirvana yet in other to help others. < 1340612305 191915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340612338 802255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they're just a general enlightened person, or arahant. < 1340612385 439969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At least you appear to understand that better than I do, as far as I can tell. < 1340612399 763930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also.. prefer to use trigonometry to prove things about topology rather than use them to aim bullets in a video game < 1340612513 937611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1340612520 809985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D < 1340612567 328363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did look it up I can see how to make exponents of categories. But is it possible to use that to make a monad from monads on the base and exponent? < 1340612568 525269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually looks this up and sees it's not as simple
< 1340612585 407568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the boddhisattva stuff that is < 1340612593 560977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no idea < 1340612633 680379 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty probably begins in the lack of a precise meaning of nirvana < 1340612637 489917 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wise don't care < 1340612656 166755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people like me who care about things like graphics and guis < 1340612666 816879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always wanna ask "what is nirvana?" < 1340612722 277802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to extrapolate buddhism from a definition of nirvana, which is simply not possible < 1340612731 190595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think there is a degree of asceticism in not being interested in graphics or gamepads when interacting with computer <-- screw gamepads, I want joysticks < 1340612766 381079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At least I do know how to make the monad from monads on the categories when you make the sum and product, without looking it up on Wikipedia, partially due to your suggestions too but of course I have to think of it by myself too < 1340612814 318177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not know if mathematicians have any other names for what I have called Finalize monad and Initialize comonad. < 1340612883 310282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on a hunch, since X^2 ~ X x X, it seems like you might want a monad on X in X^Y; although maybe you need another structure on Y, perhaps a comonad if you think of the analogy to haskell Y -> X < 1340612908 573861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :religions aren't really pure.. < 1340612931 320032 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more actual < 1340612959 285583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, yes. They are not really pure. John Dee wanted to make it more pure, I think. < 1340613022 451095 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340613028 581897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no "normal" religious person < 1340613040 321379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes < 1340613061 793832 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make general statements about them :P < 1340613066 640287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340613071 533958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you could, it would be fascism < 1340613146 527442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know of other mathematical names for Finalize monad and Initialize comonad? If there aren't any, then we should make up the mathematical notation for them. < 1340613147 75091 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the texts are always open to multiple interpretations. < 1340613180 340540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know much of anything about monads outside Set (and Hask) < 1340613191 117895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can argue the text was authored by divine inspiration, in which case the human who writes it may not know the correct form of interpretation < 1340613217 231981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but they're too simple not to be well known. < 1340613219 681988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if the human does claim to know the correct interpretation, well all such humans have long passed < 1340613229 688619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes that is the case (that the texts are always open to multiple interpretations). That may even be deliberate by their authors or whatever, possibly, at least sometimes. < 1340613264 515720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... no matter how many iterations a conversation has.. theres no guarantee of only having one interpretation < 1340613275 378458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Finalize was the monad where the functor sends everything to a terminal object, right? < 1340613308 378345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes they are simple so I would think they would be well known and someone would have invented a mathematical notation for them by now, but we cannot be completely sure. And, yes, Finalize is the monad where the endofunctor sends everything to a final object. (If there is more than one final object, there is a Finalize monad for each one) < 1340613351 912332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this interpretation stuff also plagues philosophy < 1340613369 714242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plagues could be positively replaced with inspires < 1340613495 427829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then, Initialize comonad is simply the dual of the Finalize monad; i.e. the endofunctor sends everything to the initial object.) < 1340613686 542326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if apples are plentiful and provide sustinance, then it is not necessary to analyze the apple < 1340613751 540328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you know from these now? < 1340613752 632817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that what probably happens is that while searching for answers to some other problem, the apple gets analyzed so it can be searched < 1340613806 371746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this called the Const monad in haskell... < 1340613843 322455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it Proxy < 1340613855 299871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way i think colonization works < 1340613863 361331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, how useful are these monad and comonads? Yes it is Finalize the same as Proxy < 1340613870 241490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people on an island don't need to be colonized < 1340613896 306538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some external force is searching for resources < 1340613901 792489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean not only Haskell, but mathematics in general. < 1340613941 359471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know. i have never read in depth about examples of monads in general category theory < 1340613968 261071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they all come from adjunctions. < 1340613981 770530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I read that on Wikipedia too < 1340614525 248112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wikipedia doesn't seem to have any example list < 1340614576 26788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i would guess you could find the adjunction easily... the other category is presumably the trivial one with one object and its identity morphism only < 1340614611 360582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so L maps to that category, and R maps back to a final object in the original one < 1340614656 893589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's _one_ adjunction, i have a hunch there's essentially only one for this monad < 1340614754 790840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe you can get others by using any category with a final object < 1340614768 727141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or initial, not sure which way that would go < 1340615212 820989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. lonesome george < 1340615267 809200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340615281 340690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the galapagos turtle < 1340615290 325601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last of his species < 1340615345 936755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subspecies < 1340615979 281519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have some idea of a semigroupoid where, for any two objects X and Y, if there is at least one morphism from X to Y, then there are no morphisms from Y to X. Nothing can be both this and a category except for the empty category. < 1340616008 492925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called? < 1340616018 617587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :semigroupoid, what's that again < 1340616038 919122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category without identity < 1340616056 124053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so this should hold even when X = Y? < 1340616084 675362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why it is never a category except empty category. < 1340616113 431803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any partial order gives one just by removing the identities, i think < 1340616167 455440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any strict partial order gives one, I think < 1340616174 300216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea to call this "anticategory" < 1340617489 221015 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340618110 411780 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340619166 504699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340620871 613359 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340620903 554448 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340621300 217016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340621478 977931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make my polyglot an AVR program also < 1340621488 364582 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems all interesting instructions on AVR have the high bit set < 1340621917 492719 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340621942 668877 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340621961 871370 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1340622000 390695 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340622873 9321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's ridiculous! < 1340622882 273724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I made an instruction set, I'd only use the lower 7 bits. < 1340622909 49349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd leave the upper half for individual countries to standardize. < 1340623091 944587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1340623137 9631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see an instruction set using UTF-8 < 1340623177 198278 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be pretty nice really < 1340623239 449549 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340623276 327976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: haha < 1340624060 436997 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340624103 504536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/Architecture instruction set has instructions for converting to/from UTF-8 (with UTF-16 or Unicode codepoints at the other end); does that count as "an instruction set using UTF-8"? < 1340624168 394196 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340624344 303521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340624357 194821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "Unicode codepoints"? a native machine integer with the codepoint value? < 1340624384 696720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I think, yes. The instruction listing I Googled was somewhat terse. < 1340624409 424849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't consider an instruction set to "use" UTF-8 unless it can do things like strlen, strwidth, indexofnthcharacter with UTF-8 strings. < 1340624418 344527 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that any instruction set SHOULD do those things. < 1340624419 87902 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340624426 133278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think kmc meant the actual instructions were encoded with UTF-8. < 1340624427 464797 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340624443 164576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. 110xxxxx 10xxxxxx < 1340624462 429951 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's... bizarre X-D < 1340624468 302848 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice for debugging I suppose. < 1340624496 295436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, because it would be self-synchronizing? < 1340624533 879509 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, don't need some complexicon of instruction formats like x86, and not as restrictive as RISC *shrugs* < 1340624558 157589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE LIKE RISCtrictive !! < 1340624559 145711 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would also prevent jumping into the middle of an instruction < 1340624566 963955 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without forcing a fixed-size encoding < 1340624586 67253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, indeed, and that's not even debugging! < 1340624591 863228 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, per se < 1340624616 1362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do any of the adjustable big/little endian architectures also adjust instructions' endianness? < 1340624625 851522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable length encoding is nice because some instructions are more common than others < 1340624627 751223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines each page starting with a BOM.
< 1340624633 148253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1340624647 110993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's why I store my instructions gzipped in memory! < 1340624652 490744 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some variants of PPC actually have a pagetable bit for endianness < 1340624669 406626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... horrifying. < 1340624769 36710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could imagine x86 having a segment descriptor field for that. I mean, they already have a 16/32 bit in. < 1340624831 244920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is big-endian, I guess? < 1340624895 786369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More significant bits come in the earlier bytes, yes. < 1340624913 639179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess we need to come up with UTF-8-LE, for completeness. < 1340624952 649183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and get that thing popular. Too long have the UTF-8 folks ridiculed UTF-16 users for endianness problems. < 1340625139 293915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, and we'd need our own BOM. < 1340625388 360260 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340625846 894132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see. If you put the regular BOM U+FFEF into regular UTF-8, that's 1110|1111 10|111111 10|101111 (EFBFAF); interpreted as bizarro-UTF-8 that would recompose back to U+BFFF; that's some random Hangul 뿿. Okay, maybe it's not such a good BOM, yes. < 1340626081 603163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's FEFF/FFFE < 1340626152 133015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :efbbbf < 1340626177 739100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1340626344 816151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But U+FEFF is zero-width no-break space. < 1340626464 944237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when it's not at the beginning. < 1340626483 602259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1340626502 823145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must've misread FEFF as FFEF. < 1340626885 133991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case, U+FEFF => regular-UTF8 1110|1111 10|111011 10|111111 (efbbbf), and then reinterpreted as weirdo-UTF8 gives U+FFBF which is not allocated (though it's in the middle of halfwidth Hangul letters). Correspondingly, U+FEFF in weirdo-UTF8 would be 1110|1111 10|101111 10|111111 and interpreted as regular UTF-8 that's U+FBFF, which is... ARABIC LETTER FARSI YEH MEDIAL FORM. Aw, I ... < 1340626891 135246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... was hoping the usual U+FEFF, encoded in either way, would turn into something unused when read the wrong way. < 1340627152 165629 :iconmaster!~rooms@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340627201 344909 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340627430 281017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be fair to say that Io is like a higher-level Picolisp, in terms of amount of introspection? < 1340627456 801665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Erm, well, "higher-level" not really in that terms but in terms of being a higher-level language in general) < 1340627618 311565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just got my new phone < 1340627628 334423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1340627630 881614 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340627748 387859 :dbane!~user@c176-34-62-134.ob.nfrinternet.com PART #esoteric :"leaving" < 1340628261 432588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an Android device, you enemy of freedom? < 1340628451 404881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, because modern nokia sucks < 1340628452 538823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1340628461 67039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is a Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1340628501 903794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, all Nokia phones are also enemies of freedom, that's not the question. < 1340628525 872503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is there a phone that isn't an enemy of freedom? < 1340628543 961394 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :openmoko neo freerunner < 1340628549 81932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1340628557 523301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that doesn't have a quad core CPU though < 1340628561 115256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this phone does < 1340628587 642303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Openmoko does get pretty close. < 1340628592 988963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm unlike nexus it seems google earth is not preinstalled here < 1340628598 751929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1340628660 394043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : there we go < 1340628728 441195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPS seems to get a fix indoors in a matter of seconds (and I turned off the option to use WLAN when testing that) < 1340628733 302707 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah openmoko < 1340628740 26576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i want a phone the size of a car battery, that doesn't actually work < 1340628741 598472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like even Freerunner has user-pokeable GSM parts inside. < 1340628756 801077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's free!!!!!!!!111 < 1340628776 428199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340628802 405820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they had a binary-blob GPS driver too at some point, unless I misremember. That might've been fixed before the FreeRunner days. < 1340628840 791329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got some pretty small car batteries in wherever-you-are, though. < 1340628847 571260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ordered a memory card for it yet, because apparently a 64 GB Class 10 MicroSD has only just been released. So it isn't available in web stores in Sweden until the middle of next month < 1340628896 358924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the unlock screen is not the usual android 4 "drag a circle near the bottom of the screen. It is some fancy "nature-inspired" water ripple thingy < 1340628922 671694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do I set a single colour bg in android... < 1340628961 782826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Stallman did say that Android was a tiny tiny bit less bad than Apple/Microsoft products. But not by much. < 1340628972 160003 :iconmaster!~rooms@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1340628983 998750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't recommend phones anyway. < 1340629006 823777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a transcript from a GPLv3 conference: < 1340629008 353822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[a mobile phone rings] < 1340629009 426763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are carrying a portable surveillance and tracking device, please turn it off. They have already tracked you here. They already know that you are listening to me, so there is no need for you to keep telling them that you are still here. And if they want to listen to what I am saying, we're going to publish the video recording anyway. They don't need to turn on your portable surveillance ... < 1340629012 207051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I need a phone though < 1340629014 360004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My impression from a talk by Stallman was that there exists some subset of Android that is acceptable, and people in FSF use phones that adhere to that subset, but that most commercial phones are a TRAP. < 1340629015 822698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... device to do it." < 1340629077 37547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I refuse to have a cell phone because they are tracking and surveillance devices. They all enable the phone system to record where the user goes, and many (perhaps all) can be remotely converted into listening devices." -- "RMS lifestyle" < 1340629111 716217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magazine for the morally conscious programmer. < 1340629133 529712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Articles include: "Interviews: the optimal time to clean one's toenails?" < 1340629152 382359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Houses: who needs them?" < 1340629187 397778 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS has at various times lived in a house < 1340629195 239896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I'm told he lived a couple houses down from where I live now < 1340629224 935084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And by the way, these portable tracking devices emit signals for tracking purposes even when they are apparently switched off; the only way to stop them is to take out all the batteries." < 1340629237 510014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right, THEY are always watching. < 1340629275 643412 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no more dangerous delusion than the delusion that somebody cares. < 1340629275 981746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure The Man is terribly interested in what Stallman is up to. < 1340629293 219929 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, although usually they're just watching the inside of your pocket. < 1340629679 536944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in all, at least it's not an iDevice. To quote, < 1340629695 590727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died. -- But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing." < 1340629716 132314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the "fun" back to "funeral", he is. < 1340629784 382220 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting RMS is *always* trolling by proxy < 1340629800 541710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sneakily cut off the required-disclaimer about how even Jobs didn't deserve to die. < 1340629802 768678 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As before, I don't think quoting stupid things is trolling by proxy < 1340629821 507620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's why the latter sentence starts with "but".) < 1340629957 989183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I'm astonished RMS was able to muster any kind of praise for Android. < 1340629991 774459 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android is non-GNU/Linux ZOMG ^^ < 1340630036 993217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind some quote-mining and cut-at-comma-ing, RMS says: "Android is a major step towards an ethical, user-controlled, free-software portable phone, --" < 1340630050 302214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "--" is "but there is a long way to go.") < 1340630068 202882 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that long way to go is making everything on it GPL. < 1340630165 883314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the taint of the dirty Apache license is one problem. < 1340630256 435562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's another? < 1340630289 378202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they're fine with non-GNU projects which adhere to their philosophy... < 1340630312 929988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not releasing the sources for Android 3.0, 3.1; having binary firmware that has enough power to be malicious; manufactures locking things down. < 1340630317 303008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some others. < 1340630325 337322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has any idea how to import vCalendar files into android... < 1340630335 49362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dumped them from my nokia < 1340630353 772543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does anyone outside GNU adhere to their philosophy? < 1340630355 954720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The phone network firmware comes pre-installed. If all it did was sit there and run, we could regard it as equivalent to a circuit. When we insist that the software in a computing device must be free, we can overlook pre-installed firmware that will never be upgraded, because it makes no difference to the user that it's a program rather than a circuit. < 1340630360 891908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, in this case it would be a malicious circuit. Malicious features are unacceptable no matter how they are implemented. < 1340630363 915333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On most Android phones, this firmware has so much control that it could turn the product into a listening device. On some, it controls the microphone. On some, it can take full control of the main computer, through shared memory, and can thus override or replace whatever free software you have installed. With some models it is possible to exercise remote control of this firmware, and thus of ... < 1340630369 889174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the phone's computer, through the phone radio network." < 1340630401 743284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also since it can be upgraded, it must be open. < 1340630418 264155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FreeRunner, I think, also fails this particular test.) < 1340630439 135577 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwaitwait, does he consider the circuit that actually controls the microphone 'malicious'? < 1340630490 271012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the "circuitry-equivalent firmware". < 1340630500 253940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Putting these points together, we can tolerate non-free phone network firmware provided new versions of it won't be loaded, it can't take control of the main computer, and it can only communicate when and as the free operating system chooses to let it communicate. In other words, it has to be equivalent to circuitry, and that circuitry must not be malicious. There is no obstacle to building ... < 1340630506 267798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... an Android phone which has these characteristics, but we don't know of any." < 1340630599 545423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but when he's complaining that it being *possible* for it to turn the phone into a listening device then I don't see how he can tolerate the concept of a phone at all. < 1340630667 989885 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340630710 460377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340630721 101185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there modifyable circuits? < 1340630740 246533 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as such, would the circuitry be allowed to be non-free in such a case? < 1340630822 129056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, y'see, the phone hardware must be such that any firmware blob can't possibly be malicious. (I'm not sure how it would be possible to do that for the GSM modem side, since it kind of has to be responsible for sending the contents of your phone call to the network, and could therefore be e.g. broadcasting that to Them too.) < 1340630833 469468 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot patent physical circuits, you can also not patent schematics < 1340630840 258371 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have copyright of schematic diagrams < 1340630850 443070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340631153 678246 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340631612 308730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should note that Stallman does not own a phone currently. < 1340631631 600370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's for sure. < 1340631694 466043 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what do you mean by "modifyable circuits" < 1340631782 709198 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrino2000: really, you can't patent a circuit? < 1340631804 142773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the archtypal original purpose of patents was to patent a mechanical machine < 1340631808 773588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :patenting a circuit seems very similar < 1340631884 924896 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Strictly speaking, you don't patent a specific machine but rather a method of functioning *of* a machine. Otherwise you could get around a patent by reading a patent and designing a similar machine. ;) < 1340631899 301787 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's well known, that's why people e.g. pot circuits in resin < 1340631913 587909 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is well known perhaps you could furnish a link for me < 1340631925 284951 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are valid reasons why someone would go for trade secret over patent, even if something is patentable < 1340631926 411163 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would but i am working < 1340631929 240026 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1340631956 412915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd help with citations, but I'm not *100%* sure that's the case, and besides which don't have any. < 1340631996 479898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you patent something, your competitors find out how it works < 1340632009 982575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they are disallowed from producing the same thing, that information might help them in other ways < 1340632048 237336 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go for a trade secret, someone might (re)discover it and patent it < 1340632074 437596 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you then say you had prior art so they can't patent it < 1340632082 594255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrino2000: In theory. < 1340632098 271109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, a *prior patent* doesn't necessarily mean you don't get a patent. < 1340632116 576027 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, for example, the double patents on LZW. < 1340632128 672572 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they might just infringe your patent and fight you in court < 1340632141 541406 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your competitors have better lawyers than reverse engineers, you should go for secrecy :) < 1340632273 791503 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340632289 238563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title." That's a citation. Admittedly, it's kinda vague. < 1340632361 235598 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"subject to the conditions and requirements of this title"; indeed < 1340632371 708709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are kinda long to quote. < 1340632378 397958 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1340632398 653133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the non-obviousness requirement, for example. < 1340632428 973639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mustn't be obvious to the mythical "person having ordinary skill in the art". < 1340632458 141431 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they provide a definition of "ordinary skill"? < 1340632466 614530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are none of those in programming, you know! < 1340632477 172165 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all idiot code monkeys and ninja rockstar hackers < 1340632486 350149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has ordinary skill ;) < 1340632559 870777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Though it continues with a very confusingly worded exception on "biotechnological processes". < 1340632577 492406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a biotechnological process using or resulting in a composition of matter that is novel under section 102 and nonobvious under subsection (a) of this section shall be considered nonobvious if [long list]" < 1340632593 172994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do define what a "biotechnological process" is. < 1340632627 64082 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like your brains thinking about technology? < 1340632648 796218 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound like that. < 1340632665 344105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's: "(A) a process of genetically altering or otherwise inducing a single- or multi-celled organism to- (i) express an exogenous nucleotide sequence, (ii) inhibit, eliminate, augment, or alter expression of an endogenous nucleotide sequence, or (iii) express a specific physiological characteristic not naturally associated with said organism; (B) cell fusion procedures yielding a cell ... < 1340632671 848574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... line that expresses a specific protein, such as a monoclonal antibody; and (C) a method of using a product produced by a process defined by subparagraph (A) or (B), or a combination of subparagraphs (A) and (B)." < 1340632719 593318 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh so it has to be related to medical technology. < 1340632737 96375 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(medical, in a wide sense) < 1340632759 834385 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like §1(A) < 1340632765 291033 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, those.... thingies that you can modify < 1340632777 854295 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA? < 1340632790 174928 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think so < 1340632809 377272 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA have firmware basically < 1340632827 789563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "gates" in a FPGA are actually look-up tables programmed by some RAM which is loaded at boot (often from flash, either on-chip or off-chip) < 1340632893 192188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would believe it again counts as circuitry as long as you don't upgrade the firmware ever. (If it's a separate system that keeps reconfiguring the FPGA from time to time, I think that could also still be non-free as long as it's not touched ever and functions as a black box.) < 1340632991 299950 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9F1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340633000 997035 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340633435 103014 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340633746 330653 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340634152 108118 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340635933 81635 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340638593 680439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange setting under sync options on the phone: Under the google account there is a checkbox named "sync internet", it is in the list of stuff like "sync contacts", "sync email" and so on < 1340638597 646800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail* < 1340638620 542874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1340638632 720446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it creates a local copy of the internet < 1340638659 421835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340638756 150318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1340639266 378506 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-206.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340639655 439101 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340639686 499517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bookmarks, maybe? < 1340639744 879806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm possibly < 1340639942 326544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't sync the internet, it will delete everything on the internet and upload the stuff that is on your phone right now < 1340639950 683040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yay! < 1340639973 225249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, they removed the debug option from earlier android versions that allowed you to disable the screen timeout while usb was attached < 1340639980 219767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of annoying < 1340640229 150285 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Emacs user http://horatio.naurunappula.com/screen/b1/83/b1835a1cc0efa869/0/933709.jpg < 1340640342 896863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: another emacs user: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ < 1340640370 644787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all emacs users are foot-crud eaters < 1340640659 700054 :sebbu!~sebbu@2402:1f00:2001:100::9387 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340640659 899840 :sebbu!~sebbu@2402:1f00:2001:100::9387 QUIT :Changing host < 1340640659 899958 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340640729 788531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :foot-quiche? < 1340641038 456469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340641043 488303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340641153 225736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should stay off IRC for an entire week and see what I end up doing after I get too bored to do nothing < 1340642176 953355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340642198 435486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340643103 808486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarrassed myself a tad today at a University open day when I corrected the lecturer's Python < 1340643222 317391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, a talking snake! < 1340643745 327225 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a snake! Oh, it’s a snake! < 1340643784 76793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :badger badger badger < 1340643796 760531 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text . concat $ replicate 11 "badger " < 1340643798 749148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger < 1340643809 155896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("badger "++) < 1340643811 365301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badg... < 1340643921 696033 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((badger)S:^):^ < 1340643945 310566 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!langs < 1340643953 91365 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen badger < 1340643957 168022 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​65 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.-.+++.+++.--.+++++++++++++.>. [81] < 1340643962 296633 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340643962 700047 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340643971 118350 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1340643971 399855 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1340643991 803808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is esoteric but cxx isn't? < 1340643999 368983 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ((badger)S:^):^ < 1340644001 178086 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerb < 1340644004 959031 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ((badger )S:^):^ < 1340644005 480678 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger < 1340644023 503350 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of badgers < 1340644031 835284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one without whitespace seemed a bit more poignant < 1340644058 825590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_EgoBot's poignant guide to underload < 1340644080 739058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :_underload's poignant guide to badger < 1340644109 334765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honeybadger don't care < 1340644130 356785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 0 to badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger in 24h < 1340644147 761099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach yourself to badger in 24 hours for dummies < 1340644191 354523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one badger in 24h? it'll take months to get to a reasonable number of badger < 1340644244 426447 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B'Ger < 1340644341 325400 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\n' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' | sed -e 's/^/badger /' < 1340644351 341628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger < 1340644459 684085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo | sed -e ':a' -e 's/^/badger /' -e 'ta' < 1340644530 693780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: kill that before it runs you out of RAM < 1340644545 42605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty slow though < 1340644548 390408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i lern2sed? < 1340644566 402497 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340644598 923512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnier version: echo ' ' | sed -e ':a' -e 's/./badger /g' -e 'ta' < 1340644656 434220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with printing: echo ' ' | sed -e ':a' -e 's/./badger /g' -e 'p;ta' < 1340644899 934495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee bit shorter: echo | sed -e ':a' -e 's/.\?/badger /g' -e 'p;ta' < 1340646066 230685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do my normal headphones work to play FM radio on my new phone? On my old it required nokia's own headset, and the connector was longer than usual. How strange... < 1340646102 553286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I checked, it needs some headphones connected for the radio to work) < 1340646151 44238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because the old one had artificial limitations < 1340646168 850554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they all work on the same principle, using the headphones as the antenna < 1340646180 588150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340646194 814918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I thought it had an extra wire in it that worked as an antenna < 1340646210 734612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway wouldn't there be issues with the length of the wire? < 1340646257 717068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess that it works because FM happens to be at a frequency where it doesn't matter much how the antenna looks < 1340646267 531848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1340646386 610510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to switch search engine to a custom one... < 1340646452 419443 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they allow you to do that? < 1340646485 125331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well they do allow you to switch between a few (it is Android, not iOS!) but yeah I have to figure out how to switch to duckduckgo < 1340646536 107408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does android have a specific web-search thingy? I usually just open mini and search < 1340646572 748486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mini? < 1340646580 773898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*opera mini < 1340646592 132548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have a non-smart phone < 1340646594 468185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340646615 298954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a smart phone, it has the android and everything < 1340646619 159824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I can add a widget for duckduckgo from google play (previously called android market) < 1340646674 227301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is I want it in the browser, I can just select google, bing and yahoo < 1340646714 971977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chrome for android beta is just as bad, except it also has ask jeeves (who the hell uses that?) < 1340646724 548979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an easy way to create custom search engines there < 1340646725 183458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so yeah, looking for a way to add custom ones < 1340646750 993127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? I tried the menu button and holding down and various such things < 1340646771 605326 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried longpressing the search field on duckduckgo? I think that's how you get the menu to do it in opera mini anyway < 1340646783 825115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, will try that < 1340646829 458005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives me clipboard in the built in browser, will try in the chrome beta too < 1340646855 564097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing there < 1340646867 519054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why would you use opera mini on an android device btw? < 1340646907 926249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: faster, downloads less crap < 1340646955 12347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only bother with another browser when something uses too much script and client-side stuff to work well in mini < 1340646968 993766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it saves on the bw yeah < 1340646987 156900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and* if I'm sufficiently interested in the page to want to wait for everything to download < 1340647002 130241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is super-quick on this phone though < 1340647013 849939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, won't hurt installing it, might be useful at some point. A mobile browser with adblock would be nice though < 1340647034 771558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is opera mobile < 1340647044 483816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I need a mobile irc client, any recommendations? < 1340647082 902127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and WHY does opera mini want permissions for NFC? < 1340647105 353429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera mobile is the regular browser for mobile phones (downloading everything and rendering locally on your phone), opera mini uses the proxy and server-side compression stuff < 1340647121 80040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because they use NFC? < 1340647144 59183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know what mini does, I used it before on my dumb-phone < 1340647160 518632 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :android is iffy like that though, you have to ask permission for EVERYTHING that you EVER want the application to be able to do, which ends up with everything getting every permission in the world < 1340647183 206750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll try out all of opera, firefox and so on and see what I like < 1340647215 457609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I love ICS < 1340647244 737767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't love is that this room is a wifi white spot sometimes... < 1340647546 352232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, according to duck duck go's site you need to sync with desktop opera mini where duckduckgo is set as a search engine to make it work on mini < 1340647550 853115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had another solution? < 1340647760 530899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the issue is that they're doing something retarded to their search field < 1340647780 932682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340647802 449346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to try to reload it as desktop version in chrome < 1340647825 698982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in mobile, longpress the search field and you get Add Search Engine < 1340647855 55381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh so not mini? < 1340647993 897750 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340648196 634454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay figured it out in firefox < 1340648379 832573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok turns out. < 1340648390 563410 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years to brute force brainfuck constants :) < 1340648517 104316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, worst case since you're looking for the shortest ones? < 1340648603 109883 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340648921 39802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340650520 483426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340650618 95609 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340651454 40623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340651575 243669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340651692 962949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the tunes.org clock is at least a few seconds late already
< 1340651738 966633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to wonder whether my recent discovery that is was at the correct minute was simply of the "right twice a day" variety... < 1340651799 956722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that the codu logs are probably up again, although glogbot and glogbackup both being here isn't _quite_ reassuring. < 1340651980 836981 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called when you're able to divine whether a turing machine halts < 1340652313 546799 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe tourism < 1340652488 774552 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic < 1340652494 515837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing oracle? < 1340652539 9716 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340652550 588890 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could define a machine such that it halts if and only if a corresponding Turing machine does not, would it be turing complete? < 1340652646 943138 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1340652761 519960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the existence of both this machine and a Turing machine would solve the halting problem, I think < 1340652784 567046 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that turing machine, yes < 1340652836 555026 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but solving the halting problem of a single turing machine is trivial if you don't require a computational model to make the divination. just say no if it doesn't halt and yes if it does. < 1340652866 83215 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around w/e < 1340653429 341912 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340653453 17034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-50.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340655891 382170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340656084 241445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340657352 342286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there? < 1340657417 147126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I suspect that you will know the answer to the question I'm about to ask. Which lossy music format is best suited for music on a phone, possibly using high end head phones to listen to it. < 1340657436 299466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGG? AAC? MP3? Something else? < 1340657444 771753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should check if OGG is supported. < 1340657625 422943 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340657937 385555 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ogg if available, then AAC, then MP3. (AAC first if using a non-free encoder) < 1340657967 17569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which encoder do you suggest? < 1340658020 980068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: bed < 1340658028 18108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that doesn't cost money is okay for me. My input is .flac mostly (though it would be trivial to convert it to wav) < 1340658051 354013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :preserving metadata would be nice < 1340658063 993972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I could probably use musicbrainz to readd that < 1340658094 533515 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340658175 843716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you mtp protocol! < 1340658194 346314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it suddenly stop working < 1340658197 457084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked a minute ago < 1340658240 233925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it didn't work when rythmbox was open? < 1340658313 370003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah .ogg works < 1340658336 540392 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I dunno. oggenc or LAME, and I'm not too up on what good AAC encoders are out there. < 1340658349 72960 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just happen to know libfaac isn't that good. < 1340658362 201614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flac works too, though that is a waste of space < 1340658476 390949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, parameter suggestions for oggenc? < 1340658501 677643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the -q (quality) parameter < 1340658605 418806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the default sounds slightly off in some of the detail < 1340658647 767397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-q 5 sounds fine < 1340659088 522267 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340659118 558405 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340659580 348814 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340659795 238936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can android scan QR codes out of box? < 1340659800 84531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, any good app for it? < 1340659837 626150 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :barcode scanner < 1340659863 921511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, any ads in that app? < 1340659867 26076 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340659878 634168 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340659893 672094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the barcode scanner app by "ZXING TEAM"? < 1340659967 438497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is open source at least < 1340660101 390697 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340660187 847411 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340660212 958863 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340660226 691339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right seems to work fine < 1340660262 70622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol this link when I clicked on a link. I installed a large set of browsers to evaluate them < 1340660265 693147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is rather long < 1340660498 863252 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340660607 504135 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340660613 674860 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340660738 525271 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340660816 415874 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340660875 67646 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9F1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340660902 982598 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9F1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340660918 693038 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340661168 972275 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9F1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340662744 334811 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1340662769 111174 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1340662770 830904 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340662792 903463 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340662982 840354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340663253 580971 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340663393 77180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1340663605 989636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm I have problems with opera mini < 1340663617 5088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to play well with the multi tasking on ICS < 1340663626 537171 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340663660 876188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the start screen (with the quick links) refusing to display after the program was backgrounded for a while until I force stop it < 1340664070 654320 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340664719 540883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340665080 533932 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340665483 392857 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340665999 617502 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340666552 143787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Google Goggles does QR codes and a bunch of other stuff < 1340666609 608375 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340667081 401699 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340667081 642288 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 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seconds < 1340672395 402610 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340672524 393788 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340672783 543925 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340674316 407981 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340674753 596462 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340675974 126056 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340677453 557307 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :c0w < 1340678135 471940 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340678293 817317 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340678632 336224 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340678683 419030 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340679818 141313 :c0w!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1340682267 612912 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340682290 872837 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340682919 403844 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340683306 935338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be a method of payment on internet like this: You connect to some SSH and send the amount of money you want to pay to them. The server responds with the keys to a new account consisting of that amount of money moved from the original account. You communicate this securely to the recipient, who then splits off the price from the new account and approves the transaction. < 1340683466 161299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is secure, is not susceptible to homograph attacks, is not susceptible to the merchant taking more money from you than you authorized, is not susceptible to false expiry warning messages, etc. < 1340683625 882405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recipient of the money then goes to the bank or whatever and retrieves the money using the keys to the account. They do not necessarily need their own bank account or anything like that. < 1340683661 169392 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think in practice what happens is a society collectively adapts to a payment system < 1340683692 542125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaknesses in a system get exploited and as a result of this the system gets modified < 1340683715 384221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately a system with no weaknesses is very cold and sober... very 'soviet' < 1340683739 531458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol ...) < 1340683824 194761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the way I have specified you do not even necessarily need to connect to the same server, since they could belong to different banks, as long as those banks have an agreement between them, or possibly indirect through a number of other banks, you can make this payment. Neither the purchaser nor the merchant needs a bank account. < 1340683886 218184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always think deeper about these things < 1340683896 516241 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1340683909 918263 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1340683918 833332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, think about it, due to weakness that is why they would be exploited and modified but that may cause other problems, and this and that, and etc. < 1340683923 24280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much problems is there actually with these payment systems? < 1340683930 40824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean existing payment systems < 1340683944 711921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know no weaknesses with the system I have proposed, although there may be some. < 1340683953 534123 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the current real world systems < 1340683978 44789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Some are the problems I have described, read what I have described above you may see. < 1340684014 944538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these problems mostly related to the internet? < 1340684063 676027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, i have never had a bank problem < 1340684076 623864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even thouhg once i gave my bank details to a mysterious woman online < 1340684097 684991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was kind for not abusing that... but i freaked out ever since < 1340684138 262930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are related to the internet, I suppose. < 1340684171 274390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest implementing both my new system as well as the old system, and deprecating the old system. < 1340684198 834764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if a person does nothing wrong, is the bank responsible to recover the money? < 1340684384 280794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about those kind of laws. < 1340684451 244586 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enuf < 1340684483 74199 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. < 1340684525 876580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not own a newsletter. < 1340684582 852271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Simpsons/Season_8#Mountain_of_Madness < 1340684859 696986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I still do not own a newsletter. < 1340684914 107030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does bart < 1340684920 187599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't back that up) < 1340685288 818453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the idea that a person has a newsletter < 1340687140 562353 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340687705 397428 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340687984 719954 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1340689326 816634 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P I am doing my programming course work in c (instead of python) on unix v7 (instead of debian) < 1340689395 101949 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.osnews.com/story/26114/Did_Alan_Turing_really_commit_suicide_ < 1340690118 647361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how people say "LGBT" even when talking about things which have nothing to do with the trans part of that < 1340690135 296122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a myth that all sexual minorities are united by oppression and have the same heroes and villains < 1340690158 398764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==kmc < 1340690160 53823 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a lot of gay people hate bisexuals, and a lot of gay and bisexual people are transphobic < 1340690295 414740 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340690339 357769 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just see the worst in people though < 1340690392 307927 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I genuinely don't get that. < 1340690409 401109 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I know that it's the case, I just don't understand it. < 1340690429 340917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal open a new tab (or close all open ones) and you'll get a new start page ... restarting mini will ususally resume in the state it was before closing < 1340690429 968955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340690494 822738 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sad fact that recently oppressed people are perfectly willing to oppress others < 1340690509 122823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think often "LGBT" = "all those weird people so I don't forget and accidentally offend any of them" < 1340690522 328522 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job right there < 1340690549 942069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when the USA sent freed slaves to Liberia, and they set up basically an imitation of racist Southern society < 1340690553 519914 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in some cases (racial, historically), it can even be a form of fitting in < 1340690561 227065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Still-oppressed people do, too. < 1340690565 931879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with American ex-slaves on top and the native africans on the bottom < 1340690590 279007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah. these "community" labels are an easy way for politicians to pander < 1340690593 471770 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will think they'll fit in better if they join in on the hate on existing (other) minorities < 1340690615 183821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of the assumption that anyone in the USA who has ancestors from Latin America in the past 4 generations is assumed to be a single issue voter on immigration < 1340690626 794518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: And it works! < 1340690628 49924 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was actually a lot of tension between cape verdean immigrants and historical ex-slave black people in the US, for example < 1340690640 7098 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though to most outsiders, they were just "black people" < 1340690644 712545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, say something in spanish, mumble about immigration reform, check off the "latino community" box on your card < 1340690684 768544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: in what time period? < 1340690767 669687 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of it was in the early-to-mid 20th century, but I've forgotten most of the details from that book < 1340690805 487264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Black-Identities-Immigrant-American-Realities/dp/0674007247 < 1340690806 785012 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :good book < 1340690857 968022 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just about cape verde < 1340690861 481763 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1340690861 836007 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was a section on it < 1340690901 345000 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite course in undergrad was the course on racial identity / racism in the US < 1340690912 481790 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I had the book :) < 1340691239 685798 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I just don't understand people. < 1340691348 845978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of racism (etc) is grounded in thinking that's supposed to keep a tribe of people together and safe from other tribes < 1340691361 622765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically perfectly natural for people to hate other people < 1340691408 711832 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also deliberately encouraged by the ruling classes to keep the masses in control < 1340691436 470478 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Alas, evolution works much slower than humans. < 1340691521 590831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make the poor people fight each other according to arbitrary divisions, then they won't join forces against you < 1340691527 141218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, doesn't have to be something genetic (although I suppose if there's a real biological predisposition for such thinking, that would have to be genetic) < 1340691576 431540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's *not* a biological predisposition for it, how could it possibly survive this long? < 1340691590 508810 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traits can be hereditary without being genetic < 1340691611 496283 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but non-genetic things mutate rather a lot faster... < 1340691835 738756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general idea that different/unknown things are possibly dangerous (e.g. don't accept candy from strange people) is easily exploitable < 1340692787 180857 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumping back to a previous conversation state a bit... I wonder, do bisexuals often hate homosexuals? < 1340692809 147518 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it wouldn't make any sense, but the inverse *happens* and that makes no sense. < 1340693034 480682 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think declaring that you will only sleep with men, or only sleep with women, is a bit *silly* < 1340693037 505084 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't hate anyone for it < 1340693083 354246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a matter of you not being on one of the extremes of the Kinsey scale, isn't it? :P < 1340693093 656591 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340693142 343280 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the kinsey scale is about my preferences, not my attitude towards other people's preferences < 1340693210 228849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like you interpret that ("*will* only sleep with") as a declaration of intent, rather than e.g. an observation of what someone's attracted to < 1340693234 700734 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can observe many things about who people are attracted to < 1340693256 163562 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm only attracted to redheads, but most people would not consider that a core part of my personal identity < 1340693269 77012 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i dated someone with blonde hair, they wouldn't be like "oh my god, i thought he was only into redheads" < 1340693269 772100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :gingerlover < 1340693276 275013 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is not entirely unheard of, either < 1340693307 80852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think the labels make sense in the context of solidarity against political oppression < 1340693329 242334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I date no-one and sleep alone. < 1340693346 875371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have the privilege to live relatively free of that oppression, then the labels are silly < 1340693357 891122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, labels are silly < 1340693391 733943 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, nobody thinks much of someone doing something that is considered *perfectly normal*. < 1340693416 374577 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of some useful consequences of cutting yourself off from 50% of the dating pool < 1340693444 602219 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have friendships with people in whatever gender you've declared no interest in, without you or them worrying that you're trying to get into their pants < 1340693503 884142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i imagine being bisexual and strictly monogamous is a bit more awkward than being mono-sexual (?) and strictly monogamous < 1340693510 621211 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rant about monogamy is another rant ;P < 1340693566 328424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "mono-sexual" a word? If not, then you made it up and it seems clear enough meaning < 1340693963 595474 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, these things are skewed by pop culture too < 1340693997 234323 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a gay character on TV, more likely than not, being gay is like their #1 defining characteristic and the fact around which all their behaviors and interactions revolve < 1340694008 567033 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just another character point < 1340694017 484956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that rather bothers me. A lot. < 1340694060 210987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why you can write down another story whatever you want involving whatever you want < 1340694076 368271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is changing, though < 1340694082 728556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, i can think of some good counterexamples < 1340694093 442009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How would you even know that? < 1340694099 629843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1340694106 192498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selection bias and all. < 1340694140 973446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340694149 442811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this isn't a joke about me not owning a TV? < 1340694174 14900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Nope, I didn't think about that. < 1340694215 718632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems to me like there are a lot of "just another character point"s that you don't even know about, or don't really notice. < 1340694255 657257 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in The Wire there's a character who's seen in the background of a gay bar for a split second, and this is never otherwise referenced or explained < 1340694256 446270 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Society being what it is, if they're not *said* to be gay, it's assumed they're straight. < 1340694275 671248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Who's being somethingist now?! < 1340694301 174640 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not saying this is *correct*, I'm saying this is the *prevailing assumption*. < 1340694312 893019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if they are not said to be left-handed and you have no evidence like that, they would be assumed to be right-handed, isn't it? < 1340694313 747962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're calling kmc somethingist? < 1340694315 950202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i need to make such an assumption for my claim to work < 1340694319 288300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just saying his statement is a tautology? < 1340694322 591308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most characters *in general* are a single trait maximized, because that makes the whole thing easier < 1340694340 165644 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are characters whose sexual preferences are never explored, characters with lots of heterosexual relationships, and characters with lots of homosexual relationships < 1340694341 508592 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Lazy writing is lazy. < 1340694345 565669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly < 1340694346 22576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, very occasionally, characetrs with both) < 1340694350 581650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's a good point. < 1340694362 187765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I don't watch much television, y'know. I don't even own one, actually. < 1340694363 555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am calling you right-handed! (Even though, I do not actually know.) < 1340694373 898883 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm comparing characters whose preferences are established < 1340694388 916620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, stereotypes are too useful to ignore < 1340694398 700456 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could say that most of the characters who are apparently straight are having awesome gay sex just off camera < 1340694402 290780 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really how fiction works < 1340694421 800164 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept fan-fic. < 1340694426 939462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a matter of assuming they're straight, it's a matter of the author telling you they're straight and you not having any evidence they're secretly bi < 1340694429 997480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes pikhq < 1340694433 883895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Really? You can write story however you want to let's try. Therefore you can say, I don't know, is it straight, gay, otherwise? We might not know for sure. < 1340694483 634076 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, fan-fic is a magic land where everybody's sexuality is whatever you want it to be. < 1340694491 638183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try making a story where nobody knows they are homosexual for a long time, and also where nobody knows they are left-handed for a long time, and perhaps nobody knows they wear glasses either, for a while, etc < 1340694500 207930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, males can get pregnant somehow. < 1340694537 680105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an island with 100 people. Everyone knows everyone's "sexual preference" except their own. One day an oracle comes to the island... < 1340694543 994360 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a TV trope where the apparently straight woman has a lesbian fling with an attractive guest star during sweeps week < 1340694555 119562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think another part of it is that they make characters some way to make some point, and often that point is "look how modern we are, we put a gay in our show!" < 1340694560 882050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the guest star goes away and it never comes up again < 1340694565 773964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to make it really obvious to score the equality points < 1340694572 557754 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: *gag* < 1340694588 122622 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1340694593 998879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm trying to decide if Modern Family is an example of this < 1340694600 92764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's right in the name ;) < 1340694610 573838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write a story I try to do a lot of things different than other stories, although some things might be similar than others, such as writing in English and so on. < 1340694626 643548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love equality points. < 1340694630 407759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :≑ < 1340694636 252601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the gay-dads characters do get reasonable three-dimensional character development, but they still have a lot of plots that are about how they're gay < 1340694637 588605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1340694685 880315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really get the whole idea of caring about this topic at all.
< 1340694686 586451 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Hooray, penis!"? < 1340694688 884665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1340694692 568621 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omar little could kick their asses < 1340694693 592579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1340694704 708622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are too many similar plots then try to diversify please < 1340694737 896397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as making different kind of plots < 1340694751 475228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: only seen a few episodes of that show, but that couple seems to be doing a fair amount of of comic relief gayness < 1340694767 968332 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it really depends on the episode < 1340694777 430848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they try to use all their ensemble characters in every episode < 1340694788 108465 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they get a main plot, it will probably be something more interesting < 1340694796 281120 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they get like the C plot, it might be cheap jokes based on teh gay < 1340694830 550277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/C plot plot < 1340694851 947568 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basing an episode on the unique experiences of gay dads raising a family is at least more thematically relevant than making a big deal out of the gayness of a character on, like, some police procedural < 1340694906 362673 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: c.c < 1340694921 510023 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when you say you don't get "the whole idea of caring about this topic" < 1340694924 467587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which topic do you mean? < 1340694933 339395 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but one takes writing ability and taste, the other just requires the ability to bash out words that won't make a producer actually hate you. :) < 1340694993 610238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I actually think I honestly don't watch enough television to know what you mean. < 1340694999 90927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not enough bad television, anyway. :-) < 1340695002 227339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340695004 741118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340695021 20604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the reason people care is that pop culture influences social attitudes < 1340695078 526503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Fukumoto's manga such as Kaiji and Akagi. (I do not know if the characters are gay or anything like that; this is not relevant to the story.) < 1340695171 348845 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1340695294 436885 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i probably watch too much bad television :) < 1340695314 75947 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340695331 840891 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just good at joining complaint-fests. < 1340695333 252854 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340695338 724954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Try _Breaking Good_ < 1340695342 840619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1340695345 526344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not that there's a whole lot of good television out there < 1340695347 63283 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you did there < 1340695356 249678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there is a fair amount actually < 1340695382 495031 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just follows the rule that 99% of everything is shit. < 1340695386 649852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there is Star Trek, but I've already seen that < 1340695409 86328 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the period 2000-present is considered something of a golden age of television by most TV critics < 1340695462 879389 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of shows that really push the medium to be artistically on par with film and novels < 1340695479 109777 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a lot of shit in that period. (but, this is nothing new) < 1340695483 440209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340695509 745294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most TV is still bad (most film and novels, too) < 1340695514 614468 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1340695522 76003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to write book, anyways < 1340695637 699146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, the third season premiere of Louie is on Thursday < 1340695640 593989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that show fucking owns < 1340695773 963843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really unlike anything else on TV < 1340695881 545910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every week, they cut Louis C.K. a check for about $300k and he gives them what amounts to 1 - 2 short films about whatever the fuck he wants < 1340695938 252596 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which range from hilarious comedy to authentically poignant meditations on life to just bizarre unsettling shit < 1340696191 668147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently in ITMCK it recognizes the following commands in a channel: a ... g (notes), r (rest), n (direct note), ^ (tie), & (slur), / (auto portamento), L (song loop start), || (song loop skip), |L (song loop end), @ (instrument), @@ (key table), @u (effect table), @= (set variable), @q (quantize), @e (direct effect), o (octave), < (low octave), > (high octave), < 1340696201 232460 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340696201 480679 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340696201 679193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340696201 878022 :constant!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340696211 576949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: DId you know about Compose-.-=? < 1340696217 857941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only knew about Compose-.--. < 1340696226 676963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects the punctuation may not be helpful there.
< 1340696227 921314 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :·• < 1340696260 104013 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340696262 982282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :·•� < 1340696276 857136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :l (note length), K (transpose), v (volume), G (global volume), X (call user-defined macro), C (note cut setting), q (quantize), t (tempo), [ ] (repeat), I (tremor), J (arpeggio), T (tremolo), P (panning), V (vibrato), Y (panbrello), z (cancel effects). < 1340696287 78878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good? < 1340696291 118044 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Neat. < 1340696318 490566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION · ◦ ○ ( ski )
< 1340696328 296832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What compose is that? < 1340696369 810749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicechaf < 1340696385 262145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Compose-compose-Win-T-Ctrl-R-u-n-i-c-Enter-/-W-H-I-T-E- -C-I-R-C-L-E-Enter < 1340696396 638974 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340696411 289365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of an awkward combination. < 1340696429 402515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The worst part is you have to press them all at once.) < 1340696438 962707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are some duplicates < 1340696449 553103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I have two keyboards. < 1340696483 874477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how many people went up and double-checked that there aren't three of any letter just to prove him wrong.
< 1340696522 505578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the lowercase "i" and two of uppercase "I" < 1340696551 310209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are different letters. < 1340696596 357224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are the same key on a standard computer keyboard. < 1340696629 158224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After a man in an Elmo costume was ejected from Central Park for an obscenity-laced rant, fellow impersonators of the Sesame Street star breathed sighs of relief." < 1340696639 302113 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I'm glad I still get NYC local news < 1340696652 400784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is obscenity a 5-HT_2A agonist? < 1340696658 62013 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sighchaf < 1340696719 632447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way JetBlue advertises their airplane-flying-points. < 1340696730 30290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Points never expire!*" < 1340696730 660283 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this particular Elmo had some problems with the Jews and the illegal immigrants < 1340696735 285171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Unless you don't use them. < 1340696944 68969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1340696991 277455 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340697178 95862 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1340697321 371599 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340697802 747463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when do they expire actually? < 1340697861 953027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: After you've flown on no flights and earned no points for 12 months. < 1340697881 754674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea seems to be that no *individual* point expires, i.e., by refreshing your pool you refresh all the points in it. < 1340697888 118124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still very misleading advertising. < 1340697888 440407 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340697890 325074 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340697901 320624 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jetblue does have some very cheap fares from time to time, though < 1340697914 701519 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the upkeep cost is low, if you're paying attention < 1340697947 251877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's just another form of market segmentation, or something. < 1340697949 392574 :constant!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340697958 769482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind being segmented too much, I just mind being lied to. :-( < 1340698072 554571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you seen this puzzle? http://cryp.to/address-of-riddle/ < 1340698089 801809 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1340698097 351127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some variety of it. When I first heard that you could overload &, it's what I immediately thought of, but I didn't realize it was solveable. < 1340698228 90947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, overloading operator & should be punishable by death < 1340698456 182736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ T *ret; asm("mov %%rdi,%0" : "=g"(ret)); return ret; } < 1340698457 993307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I win? < 1340698466 379319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340698471 783820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're winner < 1340698481 482978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sometimes spelled "wiener". < 1340698483 775699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1340698511 632376 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i solved it in C++ but i basically looked up the solution < 1340698518 425166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=546 < 1340698528 468621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I don't know C++ well enough to figure out an answer without reading about C++. < 1340698539 633998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, reading about C++ is the usual way I write C++ when I come across weird edge cases. < 1340698575 346674 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my thoughts exactly < 1340698605 761297 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1340698705 148136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is pretty simple, and involves something i didn't know you could do < 1340698709 348271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thachaf < 1340698837 996156 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340698869 553944 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340698888 986967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I looked at your link and tried that and my program did something unexpected. < 1340698898 665437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect the unexpected < 1340698904 806327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it's expected. < 1340698908 821978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't expect it. < 1340698912 865069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get my meaning. < 1340698925 692461 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340698965 527843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this not undefined behavior or something? < 1340698980 984040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Casting to char& seems mighty fishy to me. < 1340699000 749452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article says it's defined < 1340699009 991265 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340699036 376067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The C++ standard guarantees that an lvalue expression of type T1 can be cast to the type T2& if an expression of type T1* can be explicitly converted to the type T2 * using a reinterpret_cast" < 1340699043 842337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have that guarantee in general about foo and double and char? < 1340699079 695358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1340699092 251050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, the article suggests you can < 1340699103 811494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You ought to write a post about gcc inline assembly. < 1340699110 666842 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1340699119 268417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/GCC-Inline-Assembly-HOWTO.html is outdated and I have the feeling it's more confusing than it can be. < 1340699130 378972 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used GCC inline assembly in a few posts < 1340699212 303155 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i have much to say about it < 1340699224 80822 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340699228 303100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the realistic use cases are a bit too disjoint to just have a list of examples < 1340699309 425212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Extended-Asm.html isn't outdated < 1340699420 988986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cast any pointer to char*, so assuming that "T1 to T2&" reinterpret_cast statement is true, that should be fine. < 1340699431 371744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks real bad, though. < 1340699451 602587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/any pointer/any pointer to object type/ or whatever. < 1340699706 594633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an undefined-behaviour-but-works-for-me solution, here's one: < 1340699730 273202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct tref { T& r; tref(T& t) : r(t) {} }; tref r(obj); return *(T**)&r; < 1340699784 89876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It assumes a reference is really just a disguised pointer with the same representation.) < 1340699856 968553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah very good < 1340699864 472114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nya ha ha ha ha < 1340699930 492065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it also assumes something about the layout of that struct < 1340699947 514473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but at least in C the first member is guaranteed to be at the same address as the struct itself. < 1340699969 784660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that's true in C++ < 1340699976 83641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't some compilers put a vtable pointer in the first field < 1340699996 790814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some compiler which produces vtables unconditionally ;) < 1340700068 847361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could struct tref { T& r; tref(T& t) : r(t) {} }; tref r(obj); T* p; memcpy(&p, (char*)&r + offsetof(tref, r), sizeof *p); return p; instead, assuming 'offsetof' still exists in C++ land. < 1340700091 727471 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i bet offsetof is broken for members which overload operator& < 1340700141 113834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simple implementation would be, that's true. < 1340700179 786386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because of the extended functionality of structs in C++, in this language, the use of offsetof is restricted to "POD types", which for classes, more or less corresponds to the C concept of struct (although non-derived classes with only public non-virtual member functions and with no constructor and/or destructor would also qualify as POD)." says a random reference. < 1340700242 98966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pod people < 1340700324 387859 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340700395 957276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it in fact does not seem to work. < 1340700398 338209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp.cc:10: warning: invalid access to non-static data member ‘address_of(T&) [with T = foo]::tref::r’ of NULL object < 1340700401 452674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp.cc:10: warning: (perhaps the ‘offsetof’ macro was used incorrectly) < 1340700524 177084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another too-clever-by-half version: struct tref { T& r; char c; tref(T& t) : r(t) { } }; tref r(obj); return *(T**)(&r.c - sizeof(T*)); < 1340700532 40841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it assumes no padding after the T& r. < 1340700782 912231 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340700825 435931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this is how the "struct to first member" rule survives in C++: "A pointer to a POD-struct object, suitably converted using reinterpret_cast, points to its initial member -- and vice versa. [Note: There might therefore be unnamed padding within a POD-struct object, but not at its beginning, --]" < 1340700929 369692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A POD-struct is an aggregate class that has no non-static data members of type non-POD-struct, non-POD-union (or array of such types) or reference, and has no user-declared copy assignment operator and no user-declared destructor." < 1340700947 145793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there is a reference member, so tref is not a POD-struct. < 1340700987 653633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, the ref-is-a-pointer was already unambiguously undefined. < 1340701231 123708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340701244 936154 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct treif { ... } < 1340701445 897316 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do i get multi-lingual pun points < 1340701624 412440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C/C++ *and* Objective-C/C++? < 1340701688 659742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ and Hebrew < 1340701712 489491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's Yiddish. < 1340701714 283169 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we're talking about type punning so it's like, a meta-pun, man < 1340701718 719100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're right < 1340701721 439585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1340701740 475289 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm usually good at puns. < 1340701784 640684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this how i send bold in irssi? < 1340701797 618921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340701804 287914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you were using irssi < 1340701815 122524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not wysiwyg < 1340701818 316941 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340701826 466754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340701828 448675 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340701853 840146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow rainbow < 1340701861 243108 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1340701861 441953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340701866 363080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5R7O8Y3G2B10I6V < 1340701868 811619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot :'( < 1340701878 627350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's a depressing rainbow. < 1340701886 965190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please in future for use brighter colors. < 1340701887 219041 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5R7O8Y3G2B10I6V < 1340701894 109610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bold statement to make < 1340701916 927689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5,14blink? < 1340701919 804856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it has begun < 1340701925 23807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no blink < 1340701937 418972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bilingual puns aren't cool. You know what's cool? 2000-lingual puns. < 1340701943 155417 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you are < 1340701972 914539 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\0035hello" < 1340701973 988375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #hello < 1340701993 40421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\x035hello" < 1340701993 927070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5hello < 1340701998 959757 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punks < 1340702024 576752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote maximal.munch < 1340702025 206081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. The more you drive -- the dumber you get. < 1340702069 994753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maximal munch is the best thing, I'm told. < 1340702075 571857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ma < 1340702185 465073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you can eat < 1340702214 865423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i can eat in a month? < 1340702234 368681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, itidus21. All you can eat in a month. < 1340702247 152234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be bad for my health < 1340702282 561356 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340702326 135500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go for kfc pieces < 1340702419 831364 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340702450 871898 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340702523 819584 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had KFC < 1340702597 151875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too close to home, eh? < 1340702607 323463 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340702611 681294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1340702619 571945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol < 1340702624 643217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1340702651 997624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew there was something fishy about that comment of mine < 1340702656 351400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i couldn't place it < 1340702656 856093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340702664 503900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the "lol"s < 1340702683 65063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you like KFC so much why don't you marry her? < 1340702691 763909 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1340702715 409467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when i said it i thought.. why does "kfc pieces" sound weird to say? < 1340702722 563146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect I'll only get myself deeper into bad-pun-debt here. < 1340702728 643338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i see < 1340702734 864586 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought that was a joke about me growing up in the midwest < 1340702740 311537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i realize it is a joke on my IRC nick < 1340702744 653047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much more sensible < 1340702747 452601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i suggest you use the spork up in the topic < 1340702759 174271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes. < 1340702763 339273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo < 1340702777 148506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to wash it first < 1340702778 144780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is that Russian GPS equivalent called now again? < 1340702778 833745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340702779 515613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats terrible < 1340702783 653527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KFC is, like, the female version of you. < 1340702787 295659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it < 1340702789 619605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340702790 259281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner said 3h 26m ago: open a new tab (or close all open ones) and you'll get a new start page ... restarting mini will ususally resume in the state it was before closing < 1340702800 799848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see the /dev/{zero,null} logic gate thing? < 1340702801 899593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GLONASS < 1340702805 176606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, thanks < 1340702808 131445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1340702813 327809 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually ГЛО��СС < 1340702820 397924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1340702825 152546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/pipelogic/index.php < 1340702826 60402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, stop showing off :P < 1340702829 488629 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe < 1340702831 365646 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, did see < 1340702840 945183 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, my incredible copy pasting from wikipedia skills < 1340702846 211068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340702847 133587 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty funny < 1340702853 696444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows if GLONASS operates on a frequency that works better indoors than GPS? < 1340702857 548626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you copied and pasted? < 1340702866 794560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a Russian keyboard like the rest of us? < 1340702867 121361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new phone supports both and it can get a fix indoors in a matter of seconds < 1340702868 25956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have compose key codes for cyrillic < 1340702873 557181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/!/ < 1340702876 757925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words kfc and kmc are now ruined for me :D < 1340702882 418596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Тхе ре�т оф у�. < 1340702882 832745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive < 1340702899 492014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -_- < 1340702901 483411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nice < 1340702903 472553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you? < 1340702907 591754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Sweden < 1340702909 809971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought glonass coverage is much better in russia < 1340702911 600292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, close enough < 1340702923 60797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :кмц: Ыоу дон'т хаже ацтуал кеыбоард лаыоут �витцхинг �ет уп? < 1340702924 478973 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: preved medved < 1340702928 185842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340702934 824530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: reading that is painful < 1340702935 841428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION и� цхеатинг, оф цоур�е, витх тхе пхонетиц лаыоут.
< 1340702957 437181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☭ < 1340702961 837382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :РуÑ�Ñ�кий Ñ�зык < 1340702962 288701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well it must not be as attenuated by walls I guess. Which kind of sucks for me, I did my bachelor thesis on indoor positioning systems using WLAN XD < 1340702967 336184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i doubt glonass is in geostationary orbit (gps certainly isn't), so why should it be better in russia? < 1340702969 561499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Привет! < 1340702970 484570 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340702982 462480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow IM BAKC < 1340702983 192011 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02I03M04 05B06A07K08C < 1340702996 11713 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have set up a false dichotomy there < 1340702998 401488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :БаÑ�н < 1340703007 254518 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many orbits other than geostationary which cover some area better than others < 1340703012 444476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1340703021 411142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess straight north-south would... < 1340703023 600245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :molniya orbits for example < 1340703030 729436 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Molniya.jpg < 1340703071 758633 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oxts.com/default.asp?pageRef=134 < 1340703085 222331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :культура < 1340703093 622218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't fixed ^rainbow vs. multibyte. < 1340703099 110906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ГЛОÐ�Ð�СС < 1340703099 875930 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02Ð03“04Ð05›06Ð07ž08Ð09�02Ð03�04Ð05¡06Ð07¡ < 1340703104 142132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, no. < 1340703104 444526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1340703106 995659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is a wood building (with mexitegel (a Swedish product, according to wikipedia it is only known as "calcium silicate bricks" elsewhere) on the outside) < 1340703110 256792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually given one of my math articles, i should have suspected that. even if the article used a torus, not a sphere. < 1340703118 738963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i really like that rainbow of unicode replacement characters < 1340703121 543807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to test it in a concrete building at some point too < 1340703123 169527 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im cheating with google translate tho < 1340703136 53798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other rainbow is made from Unicode block drawing characters. < 1340703137 862812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 < 1340703138 642030 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ7â–ˆ5â–ˆ4â–ˆ13â–ˆ6â–ˆ0â–ˆ15â–ˆ14â–ˆ1â–ˆ2â–ˆ12â–ˆ11â–ˆ10â–ˆ3â–ˆ9â–ˆ8â–ˆ ...too much output! < 1340703150 790874 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more cat < 1340703154 746435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how is black in that rainbow? < 1340703157 44717 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340703169 219327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the colour of magic, maybe? < 1340703170 817555 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1340703172 652123 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow в СоветÑ�кой РоÑ�Ñ�ии, водку пьет вы < 1340703173 755312 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0203Ð04²05 06Ð07¡08Ð09¾02Ð03²04Ð05µ06Ñ07‚08Ñ09�02Ð03º04Ð05¾06Ð07¹08 09Ð02 03Ð04¾05Ñ06�07Ñ08�09Ð02¸03Ð04¸05,06 07Ð08²09Ð02¾03Ð04´05Ð06º07Ñ08ƒ09 02Ð03¿04Ñ05 ... < 1340703175 438022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340703177 487379 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340703190 70301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think it does multi-byte correctly < 1340703203 937753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :в СоветÑ�кой РоÑ�Ñ�ии, водку пьет вы < 1340703204 939399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in before shachaf says i will call someone racist < 1340703207 497148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOCK is byte-oriented < 1340703209 259277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google translate < 1340703230 437035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey you should write an UTF-8 library in befunge! < 1340703230 674564 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340703246 744583 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: 8======Д < 1340703306 310066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Been suggested. Waiting for suitable amounts of free time and/or boredom, I suppose. I can't just decode UTF-8 to Befunge cells and back (even though they're certainly wide enough) without also upping the brainfuck cell size from 8 bits. < 1340703320 100005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340703324 757502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should make it 16 bits. < 1340703328 445746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll hold any Unicode character. < 1340703330 905044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1340703337 90313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't though < 1340703337 290164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd at least make ISO-8859-1 work properly. < 1340703343 280141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow blärp < 1340703344 31313 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02b03l04Ã05¤06r07p < 1340703364 930717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ISO-8859-1 is enough for the important Nordic languages < 1340703404 290685 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ISO-3103-1980 < 1340703409 327980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Машина Тьюринга Ñ�влÑ�етÑ�Ñ� мнимым машина разработана Ð�лана Тьюринга, который выполнÑ�ет вычиÑ�лениÑ�. < 1340703462 239141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw importing vCalendar 1.0 files into an android device is painful as I found out when I tried to import the calendar from my old phone. What I did was importing it into evolution, then exporting a backup of evolution and extracting the data as a iCalendar file from that backup, then import that backup < 1340703480 650273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i secretly wish i knew russian < 1340703491 217110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: your secret is safe with me < 1340703495 253296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no you don't. You told us, it isn't secret < 1340703515 130405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is in the logs now too < 1340703540 103625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340703543 145295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-8859-1 lacks Å , Å¡, Ž, ž which I think are used sometimes in loan words in Finnish/Estonian, and I think at least one of them is in one of the Sami alphabets. < 1340703551 672961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340703566 775837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean to say is < 1340703580 973418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Å“, which is important for typing Å“rjan. < 1340703594 905448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ærjan < 1340703596 406437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't it Örjan in proper language? < 1340703597 850180 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretending that expressing interest in things makes me a better person < 1340703599 408674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1340703605 743140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ørjan? < 1340703608 612214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would assume it's more of an ø. < 1340703609 529748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1340703613 25756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it often works < 1340703617 646176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan Johansen < 1340703620 998087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they use that silly ø instead of the proper ö < 1340703625 763599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of course is in latin-1, but anyway. < 1340703634 420451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get multiple keyboard layouts set up! < 1340703637 858582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy. < 1340703647 499101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just press Shift-Shift to switch layouts. < 1340703648 447893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have < 1340703652 521593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that though < 1340703658 463313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. < 1340703660 562132 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what program handles that? < 1340703663 305300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently (wikipedia) Å“ is "used in the modern scholarly orthography of Old West Norse, representing the long vowel /øË�/, contrasting with ø, which represents the short vowel /ø/". < 1340703665 392090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think X11? < 1340703693 218179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows tradition is to use Alt-Shift. < 1340703704 245958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think you can easily get X to act exactly like Windows. < 1340703726 281674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it will switch on keydown of the Shift, making a lot of keyboard shortcuts impossible.) < 1340703744 746232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Windows tradition is that right-Ctrl-Shift will switch to an RTL language and move your cursor to the right side of the input field. < 1340703750 743738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And left-Ctrl-Shift the reverse. < 1340703758 594284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's an equivalent. :-( < 1340703795 758670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think xkb's built-in keyboard layout switching can do shift-shift, unless by that you mean "both shifts at the same time", not a two-key thing. < 1340703806 344403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean both at the same time. < 1340703816 219901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay; then it's the grp:shifts_toggle option. < 1340703830 384153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, left-Shift-right-Shift will cycle in one direction, and right-Shift-left-Shift will cycle in the other. < 1340703846 363751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should refer to those keys as << and >> < 1340703856 274076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think in many cases it's still the desktop environment doing the switching, not xkb itself. < 1340703877 217617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Doesn't the desktop environment just tell xkb to use grp:whatever? < 1340703906 424707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example when you configure GNOME to behave that way, it generates an xkb configuration file and runs xkb with it. < 1340703911 82982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could, but obviously it could also use whatever mechanism it uses for all other keyboard shortcuts, and then just tell xkb to switch. < 1340703913 809229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This fact brought to you by: strace.) < 1340703934 844202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that would let it use any kind of thing instead of just what xkb supports. < 1340703955 421497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what they actually do.) < 1340703982 543530 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340704012 433372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNOME "Options..." menu does smell a bit like it's more or less just a mapping from xkb into a graphical thing, that's twue. < 1340704112 131634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a bit" < 1340704142 775867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also someone's configured "both alt keys together" to switch layouts on this box, but there's just one Alt key. The other side is an AltGr and doesn't seem to count. < 1340704153 502194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I have more than just two Finnish layouts there, so...) < 1340704182 566590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even need a Finnish layout? < 1340704193 369825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to use a laptop with a Finnish layout and it was horrible. < 1340704219 127699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh the Finnish layout is basically the same as the Swedish one < 1340704221 670229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too used to it. There's quite a bit of AltGr'ing when programming. < 1340704227 201622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can type the characters with AltGr on a US layout. < 1340704233 168600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't all that terrible except for the AltGr-stuff < 1340704240 482689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has AltGr!
< 1340704243 943868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä < 1340704268 821602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1340704269 823960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö < 1340704280 917035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Å-hä! < 1340704282 38140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, would you consider a layout where the letter e required altgr to type? < 1340704290 479720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yës. < 1340704294 308893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1340704311 464213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of Finnish I write with this keyboard does make äöå kinda superfluous. But since they're printed on it... < 1340704316 254429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thé lèttër E. < 1340704331 546386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I can type all that without altgr < 1340704349 112111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :öóíø < 1340704354 410238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :úü < 1340704360 572203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ëéð < 1340704364 768707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ç < 1340704365 666729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know /why/ I can type ë without altgr though, there is no use for that in Swedish < 1340704373 600050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you Swedish or something? < 1340704377 43253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340704396 370104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should stop being Swedish and be Finnish instead. < 1340704401 426777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll solve your keyboard problems. < 1340704413 930184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they use the same layout as Swedish! < 1340704414 265521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Swedishanialand once! < 1340704421 43564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes no sense < 1340704433 935369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but the Finns are crazy, so they have an excuse. < 1340704448 309513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using the US layout would be a bit strange what with the whole 104-key/105-key difference. What would our <>| key do? < 1340704452 86714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh come on, only a crazy person could pack things like IKEA < 1340704485 286259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you complaining about having an *EXTRA* key left over? < 1340704488 380314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they don't have that key? < 1340704504 16746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ¦ < 1340704505 120371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They have 'z' right next to shift, I believe. < 1340704509 142629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340704511 252052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that's just like the good old days! < 1340704518 268367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikea is hax < 1340704524 931242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat file ¦ cat < 1340704533 394004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¦¦¦ < 1340704540 713268 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The groups of companies that form IKEA are all controlled by INGKA Holding ., a Dutch corporation, which in turn is controlled by a tax-exempt, not-for-profit Dutch foundation. The IKEA trademark and concept is controlled by a series of corporations that can be traced to the Netherlands Antilles and to the Interogo Foundation in Liechtenstein." < 1340704555 563470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The broken bar is one of the casualties of ISO-8859-15. < 1340704557 84453 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wonder is why the norwegian and danish qwerty layouts have their æ and ø buttons swapped, when comparing them to each other < 1340704570 779960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Are you Nordanish? < 1340704577 741190 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm swedish < 1340704589 162885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is everyone Swedish? :-( < 1340704594 199978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the entire billion euro company is owned by a "nonprofit" whose mission is "To promote and support innovation in the field of architectural and interior design." < 1340704594 438868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I asked that very question here on this channel, and I think we had a Norwegian present, but I don't think there was an answer. < 1340704601 554968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it was originally Swedish though, and it is actually owned by the same person who founded it still afaik. There are a few steps in between though < 1340704608 426282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn gives "grants" to IKEA's designers < 1340704615 89772 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super sketchy < 1340704621 636493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1340704625 971064 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the wealthiest nonprofit in the world < 1340704639 544398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is actually non-profit though < 1340704654 282902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe legally, but not in any other sense < 1340704668 82176 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh yeah < 1340704671 492156 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i'm getting at >_< < 1340704690 200138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression that foundations mostly exist for shady tax business purposes. < 1340704713 890375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely < 1340704730 474884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my wife's friends that have amounts of money (I don't recall details) have been doing some foundation-owned-apartments whatever thingamajiks. < 1340704749 18063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, IKEA has <300 stores. < 1340704760 343718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I thought it would be more. < 1340704767 211657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, 300? That is a lot < 1340704770 295714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I live next door to one! < 1340704773 541252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the chances? < 1340704800 441378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340704817 572891 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh, me too < 1340704826 405764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thought it was more) < 1340704830 20179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i took the boat to ikea < 1340704847 687590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You don't live next door to one? :-( < 1340704847 886855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boat to ikea? < 1340704849 466659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340704864 556211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told the EPA IKEA is one of the better things that happened to EPA. < 1340704873 367315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is EPA? < 1340704881 79716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340704888 376240 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IKEA in new york city is down by the waterfront, in an area which is kind of annoying to get to by subway < 1340704889 380140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The Finnish/Swedish keyboard has this §½ key at the top-left; the Danish layout has the same characters, but they're swapped; it's ½ raw, and § with shift. They just have to do everything backwards. That might explain the ø-æ thing. < 1340704892 813322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electronic Powder Anthology < 1340704894 115292 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they run a free boat from Manhattan < 1340704900 451416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340704909 896961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's $5 in the to-IKEA direction, but you get a $5 gift card < 1340704915 358073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, silly danes.. < 1340704916 409827 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other direction you just show a receipt < 1340704922 767483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think it's still free-free at weekends < 1340704937 49023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No public-transportation tourism for you! < 1340704946 282857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, fizzie: Well it is totally in line with their pronunciation and their counting so... < 1340704951 467258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they do things backwards < 1340704971 807156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: EPA is East Palo Alto. < 1340704972 665623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Staten Island Ferry is still entirely free! < 1340704978 13494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Helsinki metropolitan region IKEAs have free bus transportation to/from them. < 1340704979 79336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where silicon valley ends and the murders begin. < 1340704982 644090 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI threatened to secede in order to get that sweet deal < 1340704982 843181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, and what is Palo Alto? < 1340704988 488902 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure why NYC was so sad to see them go...) < 1340704989 262455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Silicon valley. < 1340704993 215264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc their name for "20" is basically "half-forty" < 1340704996 81851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ah < 1340704997 116993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly they should trade SI to New Jersey in exchange for Hudson County < 1340705017 226585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I go and see El Palo Alto? < 1340705044 786039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1340705046 943232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the big tree? < 1340705054 124607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's lines from the city centre to both Espoo and Vantaa IKEAs, and also from Sello (a big shopping mall in a "centre"-ish location in Espoo) to the Espoo IKEA and from Itäkeskus (ditto for Vantaa) to the Vantaa IKEA.) < 1340705056 267066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340705058 733548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so? < 1340705062 207587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw the biggest tree in somerville < 1340705062 406377 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340705066 562215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's just something like three or four times per day. But still. < 1340705068 833830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be, like, hypocritical if i told you not to < 1340705083 198263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Yosemite and they had pretty big trees there. < 1340705131 923596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does Somerville actually have trees? < 1340705144 269383 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340705147 515067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :several < 1340705210 330970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some (two, I think) product-testing robots on display at the Espoo IKEA. IIRC, there's a thing that repeatedly sits on a chair, and a thing that repeatedly opens and closes a cupboard door. < 1340705227 141093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to paulgraham.com, California Ave. in Palo Alto used to have oak trees until a few years ago. < 1340705235 905422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah I seen those as well < 1340705240 12925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some numbers on to how many sittings they test their chairs, or something. < 1340705348 38945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : iirc their name for "20" is basically "half-forty" <-- erm no, the danish madness doesn't start until 50. < 1340705431 501378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix $ ("half "++) . ("twice" ++) < 1340705434 58040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "half twicehalf twicehalf twicehalf twicehalf twicehalf twicehalf twicehalf... < 1340705494 322334 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a job these days? < 1340705499 531629 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember you talking about an image processing thing < 1340705500 106992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, 50 = half-60, 60 = thric(e-20) < 1340705525 491017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure? < 1340705534 968121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340705545 106903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CV thing was just for a couple of weeks. < 1340705549 902297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was "half-fjers" then? (not sure about the spelling) < 1340705557 149070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :70. < 1340705564 331771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh and what is "fjers"? < 1340705567 765568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :80. < 1340705571 586230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm doing a different thing -- life is too complicated. :-( < 1340705573 739430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it didn't even make sense < 1340705575 204061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340705591 374096 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"half" means ten less, obviously < 1340705596 399430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it makes sense. 70 = half-80, 80 = four-t(imes 20) < 1340705606 951537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, rather than half? < 1340705609 731382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's it like? < 1340705613 861370 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why does it complicate < 1340705623 313315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so the "half"-bit means? < 1340705628 371179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's probably half in the same sense as clock hours < 1340705634 177773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1340705634 733484 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity512.html < 1340705674 676247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It remains to be seen. < 1340705747 928528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 90 = half-five-t(imes 20), although 100 is just "hundre" < 1340705773 902558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't the French do 80 as '4*20' too? And 75 as '60+15'? Something like that, anyway. (I didn't do any French.) < 1340705804 222886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Americans say "fourscore". < 1340705810 111403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. < 1340705826 763461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quatre-vingts quinze [sp] < 1340705834 250781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And "threescore years and ten" of life. < 1340705845 204802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1340705853 897507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be 95 < 1340705872 262832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, 4*20+15. < 1340705881 247104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: threescore years and ten or threescore and ten years? < 1340705904 634956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away." --KJV < 1340705924 740438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not Americans, that's KJV. < 1340705941 223616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have your own share of KJV-fanatics, don't you? < 1340705951 305500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you"? < 1340705952 768032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey careful, that's a copyrighted work < 1340705955 97259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is Finnish.
< 1340705964 932174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly more than the British do. < 1340705966 692861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine score years ago, americans spoke like KJV < 1340705971 13857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, KJV being? < 1340705978 312629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A bible edition. < 1340705980 919873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340705981 121824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :King James Vible. < 1340705982 12929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :King James Version. < 1340705990 514369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The One True Edition, according to some. < 1340705998 35744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truer than the original. < 1340706015 507160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's divinely inspired so it's infallible, or something like that. Unlike later editions that match source texts better. < 1340706027 422317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the source text itself! < 1340706036 189453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being Finnish, I can read the bible in the original. < 1340706067 263447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called "Authorized Version". < 1340706077 290142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quatre-vingt quinze < 1340706214 260688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alussa Jumala loi taivaan ja maan < 1340706243 704136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alussa oli suo, kuokka -- ja Jussi. < 1340706266 722749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this should explain about KJV: < 1340706268 586543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, google translate seems to have learned that exactly. < 1340706270 49991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inspiration is when God takes a blank piece of paper (papyrus, vellum, etc.) and uses men to write His words. < 1340706273 565308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preservation is when God takes those words already written and uses men to preserve them to today. < 1340706276 559952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of these actions are DIVINE and are assured by God as recorded in Psalm 12:6,7. < 1340706280 109915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. < 1340706283 553063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."" < 1340706298 171614 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I in the wrong #esoteric? < 1340706321 271778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is there a right #esoteric? < 1340706328 320666 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1340706330 702476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION >>= sleep
< 1340706345 298207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_LORD < 1340706368 49659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set errno to E_LORD when divine intervention inhibits your code. < 1340706403 289287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_NDOFWORLD < 1340706421 389532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Squeak or Pharo ever have decent namespacing, or ways to prevent conflicts with monkeypatching? < 1340706464 371433 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no lonesome george died < 1340706581 546240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also KJV is better than the originals because there are three occurrances of "translation" in KJV, and in all those cases the translation is better than the original: the "translation" of the kingdom of Isreal over to David, the "translation" of a sinner into Christianity, and the "translation" of Enoch to heaven. In all these cases, the translation was an improvement, so it must also apply to ... < 1340706588 41043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the KJV. (Also other editions have not used the word 'translation' in those places, which means they are... bad, or something.) < 1340706591 69237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read the above from the Internet.) < 1340706599 824019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia seems to go out of their way not to call him that < 1340706604 311363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's called logic.) < 1340706625 323853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if you "worship education" you may disagree. < 1340706633 417907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source: http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/translation-better.html ) < 1340706634 611377 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340706656 508405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, have you seen the Conservative Bible Project? < 1340706665 63506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the name, yes. < 1340706667 583705 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does your divine intervention contains unknown behavior ? < 1340706708 783936 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one point where they interpret Jesus telling his disciples to cast their fishing nets on the right of the boat as an endorsement of conservatism. < 1340706740 376920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expects the conservative bible project to contain "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, strike him down _hard_."
< 1340706753 203215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read some comparison review text thing about it too. < 1340706780 852605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did get rid of the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" bit because it was liberal anti-capital punishment claptrap.; < 1340706787 514005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Express Free Market Parables" is one of their guidelines. < 1340706800 239683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh having an uneven number of icons you want on a given home screen on android is annoying, no symmetry is possible :/ < 1340706925 819376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait, I wonder what they did with the bit where Jesus gets all angry at the shopkeepers. < 1340707065 202304 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Colbert Report interview featured this project" < 1340707068 616444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem mighty proud of it < 1340707086 852158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proposed Conservative Translation: They entered Jerusalem and Jesus entered the Temple. He threw out the vendors and toppled the moneychangers' tables and dove-sellers' seats." < 1340707093 183609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound very different there. < 1340707118 432562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1340707126 417638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340707132 96037 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember seeing a difference between 2 versions of one of the english bible where the meaning was *changed* < 1340707142 236019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+<++]> appears to be a solution for 128 for interpreters that don't check brackets :) < 1340707148 990716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu, which bit? < 1340707162 203435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do like it how they've annotated the "And if a woman divorces her husband, and marries another, she commits adultery.'" verse with an "Analysis" note of "This is the real answer to the question of divorce." < 1340707166 748916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what would the ] jump to? < 1340707167 574025 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit which said in which cases you'ld have to be punished < 1340707173 192976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Jump to the beginning. < 1340707174 253551 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what punition should be expected < 1340707183 183592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, right, so not an actual solution then < 1340707192 249259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: fish! < 1340707198 463459 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340707206 179326 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the exact reference < 1340707266 41580 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i remember something like "if you hit a pregnant woman", which originally included causing miscariage, but now only include causing stillborn < 1340707300 800884 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first case is no longer punished < 1340707325 485689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also the Matthew version of the temple scene carries a note "Jesus does not mean to say that all commerce is inherently evil. He does make the point that commercial activity in the Temple can never be proper." And the Luke version with "The kind of buying and selling going on was not ordinary commerce, but trade in sacrifices and special coins which exploited religious values ... < 1340707331 721862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... for personal gain by non-believers." < 1340707502 784757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340707622 92777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also reworded the "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God" bit by changing the "rich man" to "an idle miser". < 1340707633 160141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For obvious reasons. < 1340707727 852497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling < 1340707728 961238 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by < 1340707729 864778 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proxy < 1340707928 297214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......why in the world did I have any trouble understanding Scala's unapply? < 1340707986 193829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION generalizes Sgeo's question into why in the world does anyone have trouble understanding anything designed by man
< 1340708065 956386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one reason may be that any attempt to explain and record civilization in infinite detail would bring civilization to a grinding halt < 1340708093 712020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus we must choose our queries and expend some energy in research < 1340708199 636358 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. suppose that someone wanted to walk across the room.. recording all the details of this act.. they would perhaps photograph all their footsteps.. but in order to record the act of photographing their footsteps they would install a mirror.. but to record the act of installing a mirror they would reach that endless recursion thing < 1340708239 118953 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops.
< 1340708583 316471 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340708758 182739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages are there with strong static typing but with a highly dynamic environment? < 1340708764 851399 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340708766 717940 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1340708773 39594 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh static typing < 1340708792 146639 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340709050 528403 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340709059 864014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1340711093 877416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340711125 874922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340711129 632276 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340711142 903993 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340711359 37372 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDUde < 1340711366 474722 :MDUde!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340711471 442880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340711882 134945 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340713637 309844 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What do you mean exactly wyth 'dynamic environment'? < 1340713639 6016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with < 1340713651 807446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Native support for dynamic code loading? < 1340713679 301501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It being as comfortable as possible to modify a program while it's running < 1340713690 736505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang maybe? < 1340713731 712119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the strong static typing? < 1340713878 340881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Erlang's dynamic loading stuffs are all *that* comfortable, either. It can be done, sure, but (AFAIK) you need to design for that when writing the program. < 1340714002 414127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang doesn't really have static typing < 1340714002 612767 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340714008 156875 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340714010 719825 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an optional static checker that some people use, which can catch some stuff < 1340714080 343119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things found when googling for "statically typed Smalltalk", which I suppose is kind of what the question was all about: Strongtalk, the language with the best name. < 1340714090 554157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't go wrong with Strongtalk. < 1340715437 718160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hasn't Strongtalk been sort of neglected? < 1340715459 272642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds very likely. But the name is still great. < 1340715463 957774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongtalk. < 1340715492 360048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I see latest news are about the open-sourced VM from 2006.) < 1340715523 719876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But with the release of the virtual-machine source code, a whole new world of possibilities has opened up. What will become of Strongtalk? Now, the answer is finally in the community's hands!" < 1340715532 870732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the answer was a resounding "meh". < 1340715675 755321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiee, this project uses ant. Oh the pain to build it < 1340715686 118062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you may need to type "ant". < 1340715712 88794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err, more than that, I need to configure the location of the android sdk somehow, since it complained about not finding it < 1340715721 25578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh build.properties < 1340715798 137815 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340715859 91058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds terrible. My condolences. < 1340715914 817440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also .svn is annoying. It messes up tab complete if you do something like cd foo/ if foo contains just one visible directory under it. < 1340715933 549351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying when navigating java source, com/foo/bar/xxyz and so on < 1340716021 42386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know how to specify a main class when using java -jar? < 1340716036 842302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, override the one that's in the manifest? < 1340716054 330726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, or in this case there isn't one in the manifest < 1340716072 911754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always just "java -cp blah.jar MainClass". < 1340716096 502873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340716101 902616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think -jar does much more than adds to classpath and picks up the Main-Class attribute. < 1340716104 386005 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "set match-hidden-files off" in .inputrc. < 1340716113 670500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh nice, thanks < 1340716131 895035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm java.lang.ClassNotFoundException, okaaay < 1340716142 462283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been annoyed at the '.svn' directories in one school Java thing too. < 1340716179 158399 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340716183 255488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, having a .inputrc will still load /etc/inputrc right? No need to include or duplicate settings? < 1340716207 495876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm, what about tab completing when I *did* type a dot, < 1340716228 471093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads bash manual page
< 1340716233 920503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need "$include /etc/inputrc" according to man bash. < 1340716260 981165 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that just changes things so that you need to type the dot. If you do, completion works as usual. < 1340716262 169768 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1340716272 886991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah I don't remember how to reload inputrc on the fly < 1340716297 470071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind -f ~/.inputrc < 1340716303 837623 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1340716322 833342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay works < 1340716378 397798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wow, my 'man bash' seems to be pretty confused: "match-hidden-files: This variable, when set to On, causes readline to match files whose names begin with a `.' (hidden files) when performing filename completion, unless the leading `.' is supplied by the user in the filename to be completed." < 1340716396 207852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it won't match hidden files if I supply that dot. < 1340716469 344936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyone know a good open source QR code generator that runs locally on your computer. I know there are various web based ones, but that is a security issue since my use case is transferring passwords to a phone from a laptop or desktop < 1340716470 478691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it might have earlier been written for the 'Off' case, or something. < 1340716472 588854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to say that when the variable is On, .-names are completed automatically unless you supplied the dot yourself, in which case they are also completed as per usual. < 1340716501 694525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that last part in it. < 1340716521 200001 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've used 'qrencode' in Arch. < 1340716527 210594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "match files -- unless the leading '.' is supplied" sounds more like it wouldn't match them if you supply them. < 1340716530 721807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks < 1340716537 440864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used something with 'qr' in the name. < 1340716567 269714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems a pretty obvious choice for naming such a product < 1340716581 49922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been the same thing. < 1340716618 241519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, true; I was thinking that when the . is already there that part of the completion would've already taken place, but it does say that it wouldn't match at all if the dot's there. < 1340716691 588882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm isn't QR typed? I see no options to set the type < 1340716723 157999 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340716773 28451 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340716912 96653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe they aren't < 1340717403 148255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a mode, but that only determines the character set. And the error correction level. I'd assume most programs can set those. < 1340717476 148844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might also just pick the optimal mode. < 1340717670 937786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, I guess readers just guess if it is text, urls, or contact info or whatever < 1340717776 70693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's no real content-type sort of field. < 1340717865 344143 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132D35.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340717922 73372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess a large proportion of "live" QR codes are URLs. < 1340718400 110285 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340718811 32418 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340719671 563410 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340720053 339530 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340721023 576555 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340722942 872750 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :Guest8000 < 1340722954 741579 :constant!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1340722954 939828 :constant!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340722956 281688 :constant!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1340723245 460561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoho < 1340723248 868903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found solutions! < 1340723354 964749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all already known though. < 1340723443 273114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :85,171,127,129 are all possible in 10 Instructions. < 1340723606 506567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the constants on the esowiki human-made? < 1340723612 896609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how were they found? < 1340724214 278176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-91.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340724245 776743 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340724571 601961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, Phantom_Hoover, there's been updates. They're not visible on the left-hand side of MSPA < 1340724664 618729 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first page is. < 1340724716 59296 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340724785 845575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340724787 867172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did jane just < 1340724845 46052 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1340724851 518849 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340724907 60930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how far are you going to go in length? < 1340724945 534179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how many computers (and cores) are you distributing the brute forcing on? < 1340724949 354365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the programm is programmed to run until 256 Solutions have been found. < 1340724963 497604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means there is no limit to length actually. < 1340724976 616346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after a length of 32 all solutions *should* be found. < 1340724993 967691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I haven't found a performant way to distribute it. < 1340725000 778267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you said 5 years? Was that for one core then? < 1340725011 477023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I limited it to 1500 Cycles for each Brainfuck program < 1340725022 833794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :spawning threads is more expensive than just run the few cycles ;) < 1340725031 182452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340725038 194377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, let each thread run a large set of programs < 1340725046 48798 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiajin.com/blog/2009/09/22/uroboros-programming-with-11-programming-languages/ :) < 1340725055 676928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that currently it runs on 1 core < 1340725059 228016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I optimized it < 1340725064 734001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at < 1340725068 425139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :6^11 < 1340725069 318856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, like have the threads running and give them each jobs maybe 1000 programs to test from a shared work queue < 1340725088 271808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems the optimal way to do it for a single-computer situation < 1340725089 99346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means 6046617 programs per minute < 1340725114 75569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340725116 252420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means 2.5 years ;) < 1340725139 943118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so maybe not 1000 but instead 100000 programs per batch < 1340725148 698064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340725152 442739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you could easily cut that if you have a multi-core CPU < 1340725176 242796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even multiple computers. I have cycles to spare if you write a distributed version (Brainfuck@HOME?) < 1340725182 545737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I don't see char select screen on the left < 1340725191 954899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340725199 90647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be cool @Brainfuck@HOME < 1340725204 255290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340725207 713513 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't? Here, it says 06/26/12 - "Select character." < 1340725230 490087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06/21/12 - "==>" < 1340725230 758637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, anyway my point is that this seems like a trivial thing to parallelize. < 1340725236 967409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340725242 403322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and, how are you enumerating the programs < 1340725245 440188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have a multi core at home < 1340725252 155123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did not really bother to try to hard ;) < 1340725266 40866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I have a 4 core 3.4 GHz 64-bit core i7 (with hyper threading on top of the 4 cores) < 1340725277 753618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I could help < 1340725293 966318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sandy bridge, so not the very last generation any longer < 1340725314 98044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a /simple/ way to enumerate the set of *valid* programs < 1340725327 927643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest thing probably would be to give "ranges of programs" to clients @Brainfuck@HOME < 1340725336 922434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the extra @ at the start? < 1340725341 669361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we'd need to find a way to verify that they actually run it. < 1340725354 374109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's like @Vorpal ;) < 1340725358 322071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marks the topic of my sentence < 1340725361 463641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1340725378 622227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes obviously you give ranges of programs < 1340725390 203556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what you would do for multi-core scheduling too < 1340725394 486591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340725404 180882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I give them away I need to be sure that they were run. < 1340725409 639139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run correctly < 1340725434 122253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else somebodys client might crash in the middle < 1340725440 216676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'd miss solutions :D < 1340725474 886827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to write the program to keep track of where it left off. Presumably track which chunk you got to < 1340725491 946009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where did you get the 2.5 year figure from? The length of the longest of the known solutions? < 1340725495 742376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, some bad guy could just say "Yeah, I tested that range." < 1340725507 360431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1340725515 205760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@longest known solution < 1340725515 736942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340725532 693728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, riiight, brainfuck research is a high profile target for sabotaging < 1340725537 351033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340725556 186087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write something with no security checks ;) < 1340725557 746395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, I need to find a good icon for this... < 1340725561 668257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind runing python :) < 1340725569 25947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(android status bar notification, ICS style) < 1340725576 484924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, python?! < 1340725589 542538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are number crunching in python? < 1340725596 60132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn < 1340725608 829171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340725611 41014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ;) < 1340725620 281374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are doing is essentially a number crunching task. Python is /not/ suited for that < 1340725631 365586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the few areas I would actually suggest using C < 1340725637 583240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will rewrite it in C ;) < 1340725642 580013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no problem. < 1340725656 995118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will probably cut the time by a lot that way < 1340725719 710275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340725729 860270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if openmp would be useful for this < 1340725731 913273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be < 1340726754 230281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1340728511 616539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm checking out the android source code is taking forever < 1340728528 495535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and all I wanted was getting at the system icons!) < 1340728547 628099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340728556 473691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my c version currently crashes when compiled with gcc -O9 < 1340728562 177655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with gcc -O0. < 1340728564 431068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no -O9 < 1340728575 931170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything higher than -O3 is the same as -O3 < 1340728587 943788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they changed something very recently < 1340728608 796560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just checked on gcc 4.4.3) < 1340728614 589684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it crashes with -O3 < 1340728617 331813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340728620 102462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about -O2? < 1340728622 204392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -O1? < 1340728623 131328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -O2 < 1340728634 870941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O1 runs fine. < 1340728660 107353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, try valgrind on the -O0 binary and see if the program does anything stupid (that might not cause issues with -O0 or -O1 perhaps) < 1340728686 30898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't help I would suggest compiling with -O2 -ggdb3 to be able to at least see which function it crashes in < 1340728742 583826 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is this true for all programs you try to compile? < 1340728775 197160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340728783 534613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is AnotherTest? < 1340728785 114984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually surprised it does not crash with -O1 < 1340728785 966942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :new user? < 1340728791 506348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it should < 1340728796 647697 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: relatively new you could say < 1340728811 479703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, so not just a long time user testing with some unusual irc client setup? < 1340728824 122260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick /sounded/ like that :P < 1340728824 926995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1340728827 889363 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's really the intention < 1340728841 391273 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got that reaction from a number of members here :p < 1340728849 859536 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe I should change :p) < 1340728864 846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well I seen people test using irc with telnet and what not before < 1340728872 961214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes at < 1340728878 256466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc zzo used to use telnet for irc until he wrote his own client even < 1340728878 820246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch(program[iptr]) < 1340728879 762294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1340728887 35206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) inspect iptr < 1340728887 234115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = 2 < 1340728887 234332 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) inspect program < 1340728887 234445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = 0x804a008 "<-]+" < 1340728896 368465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a segmentation fault. < 1340728898 174626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, inspect = print? < 1340728914 639907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspect is gdb < 1340728917 759382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo's client is probably the only irc client with an option to turn off automatic ping replies!) < 1340728921 537928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich prints it, yes. < 1340728934 618797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :program[iptr] points to ']' according to gdb < 1340728934 817634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure print works in gdb < 1340728938 865844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what I used < 1340728944 666898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) inspect program[iptr] < 1340728945 423499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 = 93 ']' < 1340728959 719838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that seems not to be a cause for a segfault. < 1340728977 811964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this stuff is not helpful without the code. And I'm kind of semi-busy with understanding how Android foreground services work < 1340728980 333032 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so it's a specific problem; in that case it's either unexpected behavior or something or a bug in gcc I would say < 1340728992 812040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :android programming is somewhat annoying due to the unusual life cycle of objects < 1340729025 147000 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: could you paste the part where things go wrong? < 1340729030 792023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1340729057 513408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/EM1bHFjg < 1340729066 348196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes boom at line 11 with -O2 and higher. < 1340729122 363588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is very annoying to debug: I need to debug what happens when I remove or insert the USB cable < 1340729129 36903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1340729147 192746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm writing an app that deals with charging on/off state) < 1340729168 948229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340729171 137068 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not much of a C guy(more C++, forgive me) but I'll try to see if I can find something < 1340729175 23848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the error is *in the switch* < 1340729180 880544 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of at switch(program[iptr]) < 1340729183 620663 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or before it < 1340729186 723433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I'll take a quick look < 1340729196 773988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, did you try valgrind yet? < 1340729205 583088 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume program is an array which contains the characters in your source code? < 1340729218 995821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, if it is a segfault when accessing an array it might be an out-of-bounds access < 1340729231 119355 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Vorpal says < 1340729237 55999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and optimising could confuse gdb about the actual index, I had that happen to me) < 1340729245 99878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind doesn't report anything suspicious. < 1340729249 33380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1340729263 999865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait your array is on the stack < 1340729264 371611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes, program is an array containing the code. < 1340729274 434300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, for valgrind debugging purposes, malloc the array instead. < 1340729280 51297 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is PROG_MAX_STEPS the max. index for sure? < 1340729286 302492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind can't detect if you overflow into another variable on the stack < 1340729290 388836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: That's not an index. < 1340729294 720628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that when optimised might be in a register instead < 1340729311 700175 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sorry, meant to say steps < 1340729327 176103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1340729334 107986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah valgrind is not so useful for stuff on the stack in general < 1340729377 255757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes @steps. < 1340729381 121002 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340729384 578047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but steps has nothing to do with array access. < 1340729386 13061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that doesn't help I would try valgrind on the optimised code. < 1340729406 751408 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's not 100% sure yet that it's the array access < 1340729472 631141 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is program like really big? < 1340729475 181340 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340729478 490667 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mroman < 1340729481 367208 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340729482 707782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :its < 1340729493 47389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:41 < mroman> $2 = 0x804a008 "<-]+" < 1340729496 138495 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if short would overflow < 1340729499 727762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that long. < 1340729500 764988 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be nice < 1340729565 215597 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that would have nothing to do with optimization < 1340729575 997471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/AaJvlSQl < 1340729578 612199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- valgrind. < 1340729591 961412 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, does your code compile with other compilers? < 1340729614 383558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 45 would be the switch(program[iptr]) < 1340729711 126238 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry; I don't understand why that code breaks when optimized < 1340729718 375679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) inspect cptr < 1340729718 574555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 = < 1340729724 63246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it optimizes away cptr :D < 1340729727 740046 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340729731 450143 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile! < 1340729733 492519 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1340729772 87228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, presumably it ended up in a register, volatile would likely work to make it show up for debugging < 1340729794 968944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, also you might want to run valgrind with --db-attach=yes to make it attach on the first of the many errors listed < 1340729796 733246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340729801 624872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with volatile it does not crash anymore ;) < 1340729806 67629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1340729811 442720 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1340729820 264094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile is going to slow things down though < 1340729823 167279 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1340729838 99609 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to debug it further < 1340729865 301397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, but it /might/ actually be a compiler bug. I would suggest testing with clang or another non-gcc C compiler. < 1340729867 115762 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if optimizations make code break, the code either has a bug or the optimization is bad < 1340729894 288520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, which gcc version are you using? < 1340729906 256062 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc --version < 1340729914 102783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cptr is -15 < 1340729929 72011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wonder why that happened < 1340729934 339524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It crashes still, if I don't make iptr and steps volatile too < 1340729935 148630 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look good to me :p < 1340729945 278152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I make iptr and steps volatile too it does not crash anymore. < 1340729947 723355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340729953 940384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cptr -15 is definitely a no-go :) < 1340729956 3782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how did cptr end up at -15? < 1340729968 659752 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying to find out right now. < 1340729990 518757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means, that it executes case ']' < 1340729999 383012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which decreases the pointer in a while(iptr >= 0) loop < 1340729999 855315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second, your program parses text every time to search for matching [? < 1340730015 805188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than building a tree representing the program and executing that < 1340730017 500273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Currently yes, not very optimal though. < 1340730025 582836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even keeping a stack of [ < 1340730028 748186 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340730055 106128 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340730091 448405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, personally I would build a quick tree representing the program (possibly doing trivial optimisation at the same time, such as keeping a running count of + and - and merging them, probably not worth doing much more in this case) < 1340730170 720338 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Vorpal says is probably faster < 1340730187 995311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that matters for so small programs. < 1340730217 439071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makes a big performance increase < 1340730228 966587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably easier to implement though < 1340730236 724266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :iptr--; while(iptr >= 0) { iptr--; } < 1340730245 917051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what case would that leave iptr at -15 o_O < 1340730261 935636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm thunderstorm < 1340730309 196264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: When iptr is -14. < 1340730313 462968 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340730313 661559 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iptr-- if iptr was at -14 < 1340730385 620311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1340730400 281509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340730401 476139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340730415 610210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's % is not always positive :) < 1340730552 76696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may want &= 255 for that operation. < 1340730593 217988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though really, wouldn't it be easier to make cptr an unsigned char too, assuming you can assume CHAR_BIT == 8. < 1340730612 868720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you can do that, doing %= 256 on memory[x] is not useful.) < 1340730637 332282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. < 1340730645 971615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340730667 923330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo is slow anyway. < 1340730714 96235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo with a constant 256 is probably going to be optimized to something doing the bitmask plus a few extra instructions to handle the negative case. < 1340730749 870904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at some of the things msvc, clang and gcc turn int i; i /= k; where k is a constant and k = 2^n with an integral n. < 1340730755 504701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were kind of fancy. < 1340730819 907713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340730827 938468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is WAY faster than python at least :) < 1340730833 755964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them involved the instruction that sign-extends eax to edx (i.e. fills it with zeros or ones; it's used for preparing for div, which divides the full edx:eax pair) and then anding some constant with it, to get either the constant or 0. < 1340730841 232028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already at 130 in just a few seconds :D < 1340730853 413460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the paste, case '[' doesn't seem to be tracking nesting depth. < 1340730920 693299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1340730922 360415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug :) < 1340731018 827978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fixed. < 1340731051 579583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/qkTR6fAe so far. < 1340731435 687031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1340731457 520227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[+[+>]<<+]> produces 88. < 1340731482 353387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is shorter than any previous program that produces 88. < 1340731495 167616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wiki there are 13 Byte versions. < 1340731511 25443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :++[>+<---]>++ <- 13b < 1340731521 63367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[+[+>]<<+]> <- 12b < 1340731540 249286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like it goes through your whole 256-cell tape, though. < 1340731548 41550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wraps over. < 1340731560 243962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be. < 1340731563 935053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to verify that. < 1340731589 644842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the +[+>] component will. < 1340731610 231184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340731618 136592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1340731623 607712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that as +[>+]. < 1340731628 987293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't, at that. < 1340731646 796203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With just 1500 cycles or so, it'd be strange it it had time to wrap around many times. < 1340731712 840694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the unbalanced loops are kinda scary, it might be doing something rather bizarroid. < 1340731740 91318 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technical term) < 1340731761 137743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1340731915 442764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems to work in different interpreters. < 1340731952 479340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/impl/interp/i.html < 1340731960 720810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses an array of size 32768 < 1340731968 368733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1340731977 242233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I understand the obfuscated source code well enough. < 1340732067 236161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +[+[+>]<<+]>. < 1340732073 137672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340732074 175205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1340732075 966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340732078 727641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340732079 989150 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf: not found < 1340732080 186750 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340732083 263467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+[+>]<<+]>. < 1340732084 179843 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1340732090 221034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is 88. < 1340732091 169926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1340732101 6367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1340732115 334984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a... thousand-cell tape, IIRC. Or something like that, anyway. < 1340732143 852825 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340732155 139269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[+[+>]<<+]>. < 1340732156 838019 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1340732160 759641 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very, very large tape. < 1340732170 886550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to wrap around the tape. < 1340732174 294520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be meandering around in cells -1, 0 and 1. < 1340732181 671351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it starts from 0, that is. < 1340732193 472052 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that !bf accepts -1, it should segfault if you do that. Maybe. < 1340732213 523202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with different starting positions as well. < 1340732241 953971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With start pos = 10 < 1340732257 554737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using cell 11,10 and 9 < 1340732283 311344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. So it's a (12, 3) solution, pretty much. < 1340732297 375120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say so < 1340732301 51909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12, 3) (wrapping) < 1340732332 724824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I add it to the list? < 1340732341 771201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not the kind of thing that a human is likely to write. < 1340732342 527304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :including or without a warning about unbalanced loops? < 1340732425 23032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could add a comment that the three cells include neighbours on both sides; I wouldn't be surprised if all the existing programs only used space to the right of the start. (But it doesn't say anywhere that that'd have to be the case.) < 1340732583 765920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a 12 B solution for 168. < 1340732600 643109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++[-<+++++++>]<.>>[ look ma, no segfault ] < 1340732601 86824 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1340732604 410951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf -[-[->]<<-]>. < 1340732604 909587 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¨ < 1340732612 719785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340732613 347370 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340732632 668234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non printable < 1340732638 77388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[-[->]<<-]>. < 1340732638 625076 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ < 1340732674 141870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also using -1,0,1 cells. < 1340732690 76597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That shows up as a diaeresis/umlaut here, which would be correct for latin-1 168. < 1340732695 145038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as 88 < 1340732701 322079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead of adding 88 it subtracts 88 of course. < 1340732834 114789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340732838 74299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another solution :D < 1340732870 231032 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :13B for 89. < 1340732879 474168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously 12B 88 plus a '+' < 1340732925 571382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess, you might have a 14-character solution for 90, a 15-character for 91, and so on up to a 19-character to 95. < 1340732929 96459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those all are improvements. < 1340732946 570451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1340732948 299608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340732949 492664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll se < 1340733026 807746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 167 of course. < 1340733029 908794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such ;) < 1340733144 501779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have a 13B solution for 56. < 1340733151 946214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of 17B < 1340733175 474733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that look like? < 1340733233 487524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[++>+[+<]>]>. < 1340733238 588262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to use cell 0,1 and 2 < 1340733249 390535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[++>+[+<]>]>. < 1340733250 260181 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1340733254 893584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works there. < 1340733257 392257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to the left. < 1340733324 864404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very surprised. < 1340733336 29602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't expect to find any solution not previously known. < 1340733343 393959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340733348 446967 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :got another for 200 < 1340733363 666781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, 200 + 56 is 256. < 1340733372 685192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340733374 622784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340733378 162102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same but with - < 1340733387 417545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck constant optimization is not exactly a terribly popular field. < 1340733406 985062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you get improved 55, 57, 58, 59 (and the negative versions) from that. < 1340733462 431483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1340733684 51514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1340733697 397651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to pause right now :) < 1340733733 953274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to give my poor cpu a little bit to rest. < 1340733804 55715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I may have been able to help you reduce the code size of your brainfuck programs :D < 1340733825 860967 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll contiune the program next day. < 1340733862 697694 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: implying your brain contains a CPU? < 1340733874 189817 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340734081 8230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1340734091 318774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have to do work on my computer right no. < 1340734102 111989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other work ;) < 1340734111 407589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1340734158 194896 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I see, it's fun not to have to work(for now) < 1340734820 528197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340734951 254242 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340735168 71755 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340735301 994289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting the feeling that 1500 Cycles is a too low limit. < 1340735303 606894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1340735312 444736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[++>+[+<]>]> runs in 1482 cycles. < 1340735318 786003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it just barely made it. < 1340735335 369312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I might have missed solutions that would have ended at 1600 cycles < 1340735345 154499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no practical solution to that. < 1340735419 258436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not really a theoretical solution either. But there's the practical solution of optimizing the implementation some more, say for a 2x speedup, then duplicating the limit. < 1340736158 853770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly dislike the new android API docs web page. It scrolls down a bit from the top when you scroll down, thus hiding the header. Including the search field < 1340736167 673476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what idiot thought that was a good idea < 1340736209 892968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, moving the mouse to the top doesn't help < 1340736349 410541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally don't mind websites that work like websites used to, i.e. scroll the whole page. Especially when the alternative is not CSS fixed-positioning but some sort of a blurb that tries to constantly reposition itself to stay in one place with javascript. < 1340736376 49287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the previous android docs design (and thank good, still the design of the offline docs) uses frames < 1340736377 544829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to add a go-to-top button on top of that package browser list, which is kinda weird, since most of the browsers have some sort of a home key. < 1340736380 187960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the header is a bit large < 1340736392 414765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1340736404 122260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the search field being accessible all the time < 1340736448 365912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway another issue with the new design is that not everything scrolls, the namespace list still behaves as a frame < 1340736454 979122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is inconsistent too < 1340736458 623349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they could incorporate search functionality in that package browser. That's maybe where I'd have looked first. < 1340736500 33096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you notice the arrow-and-line icon that appears above the package browser as soon as the top scrolls out of view? < 1340736500 948282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it searches the various non-reference parts of the site too, like concept overviews and guides < 1340736502 918685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful < 1340736527 91740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the package browser would be an odd place for it < 1340736529 649466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no I didn't < 1340736542 738040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that jumps to the top of the page < 1340736557 326093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Someone has certainly thought about how people need to jump to the top a lot. < 1340736559 43131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying since I tend to open things in new tabs all the time by middle clicking < 1340736574 676088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't want it to jump to the top just to search < 1340736598 90922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though middle click doesn't work in that search field anyway, I'm pretty sure it used to < 1340736605 576554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the old online version that is < 1340736624 185109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the font they went for is far too blurry IMO < 1340736628 114880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad hinting there < 1340736652 930777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be okay on a high dpi monitor. But that site is not made to be read /on/ the phone! < 1340736745 119148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder if it is okay to bind a service in a broadcast receiver registered in the manifest file... < 1340736758 254495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the android application life cycle stuff < 1340736769 363516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you need something to run in the background it gets complicated < 1340736950 41540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not allowed < 1340736960 648591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I going to tell my service that stuff then... < 1340737096 122009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they wanted it to be thematically appropriate. (It's the same Roboto font as in Android 4, right?) < 1340737103 978678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340737110 780866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works fine on a 300 dpi monitor < 1340737122 282351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is terrible on a 96 dpi desktop monitor < 1340737126 241046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with full hinting < 1340737139 664316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should browse the Android APIs on your iPad 3. < 1340737146 385191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an ipad? < 1340737161 254235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but that's a 264 dpi screen. < 1340737171 46873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so still less than what my phone has < 1340737175 167641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc is around 320 < 1340737181 956286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More pixels, though. < 1340737183 100098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048x1536 at 9.7 inches. < 1340737186 655546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340737201 852341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1080p videos look horrible on it then in full screen? < 1340737203 792754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1340737225 908072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could do it at 1920 without people noticing too much. Not many pixels in the border. < 1340737237 389032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the native resolution of Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition, since that's what it's aimed at. < 1340737269 270136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my broadcast receiver is getting -1 as the charging state when I plug it in. That doesn't even make sense... < 1340737272 765342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put a 2880x1800 15.4" screen in the latest MacBook Pro. < 1340737276 967667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, you actually have to upscale 1080p. < 1340737282 738645 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1920x1080) < 1340737302 367301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340737308 520915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; especially with 2880 you will probably actually have to. < 1340737311 165033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe my phone is 1920x1080 < 1340737319 609620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty crazy for a phone < 1340737332 591528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than my desktop monitor even (1680x1050) < 1340737361 795074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1080 even at 4.5 inches diagonal (and that'd be a *big* phone) would be around 490 dpi. < 1340737375 955808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah misremembered then < 1340737380 979218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway isn't it 4.8? < 1340737388 484015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, I'm no expert. < 1340737394 9593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it is 720p < 1340737399 773653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 3.8" < 1340737403 343620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 306 dpi < 1340737408 163633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's reasonable. For some values of. < 1340737408 574884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8* < 1340737411 639588 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY phone is merely 800x480... < 1340737415 944632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a big phone yes < 1340737430 96288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also quad core CPU < 1340737430 879429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340737434 121352 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine should be 480*360 or something < 1340737442 436162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 is 800x480 at around 3.5", so ~267 dpi. < 1340737479 289757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2880x1800 at 15.4" is "only" 220 dpi, but that's still a lot of pixels. < 1340737481 731566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, android used to have an option in the development menu to prevent the phone from going to sleep while USB was connected. It is missing on this phone. Apparently that is a Samsung thing. < 1340737493 813975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since Galaxy Nexus had it) < 1340737503 37457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm writing a program that does the same thing < 1340737524 297005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "a Samsung thing" < 1340737524 496523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why they removed it. It was really useful when debugging < 1340737527 472746 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My off-brand tablet has that. < 1340737534 452467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that they removed it? < 1340737541 317613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that removing it was a samsung thing < 1340737546 49666 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohohoh, I misunderstood. < 1340737551 190217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340737552 73935 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that including it is a Samsung thing. < 1340737562 705353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, my Samsung Galaxy S3 is missing that option < 1340737566 246438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the whole point < 1340737572 169868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nods* < 1340737596 973115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I have to properly learn the android life cycle thingy for services < 1340737600 433152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying < 1340737606 854306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not straight-forward at all < 1340737630 18315 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Straightforward is one word) < 1340737635 376023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1340737655 101476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw anyone know a good android irc client? < 1340737659 771454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I understand what "life cycle thingy for cervies" means... < 1340737663 963048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use AndChat, it's not terrible. < 1340737669 884967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1340737721 627401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, in general android activities, services, and so on have pretty strange life cycles (when they are created, suspended, resumed, destroyed and so on) when coming from a desktop programming perspective. < 1340737749 748540 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that they're effectively suspended and destroyed "whenever the OS damn well pleases"? < 1340737764 503937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is that, and in this case I don't want that to happen < 1340737774 143092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means quite a complex set of steps must be performed < 1340737848 88798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of things happen async < 1340737856 217574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when talking between different such objects < 1340737861 285552 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.115 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340737863 242590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even more confusing sometimes < 1340738120 869241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also for broadcast receivers the extra data sent with the intent seems to be poorly documented < 1340738130 248911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies for different intents of course < 1340738146 140424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find which ones are available for the intent I'm interested in < 1340738182 74862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340738431 951279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logcat log on this thing is huge (~37000 lines), so it takes several seconds for it to load the whole thing in after connecting the device. Which is annoying since I'm debugging how my program handles plugging/unplugging the USB cable atm XD < 1340738455 300941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eclipse loads the whole log after every connect < 1340738596 390601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1340738666 503161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's probably stupidly difficult to debug. < 1340738670 809318 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a catch-22. < 1340738718 740528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well logcat thankfully does have a buffer on the device. The issue here is that it is so huge it takes ages to load < 1340738720 717024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't someone using AndroIRC? But I have no first-hand knowledge of these things. < 1340738941 345557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: It's always fun not to work by the way ;) < 1340738957 588955 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that :p < 1340738959 177311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you need money, of course. < 1340738970 636779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But working for money is the suckers way :D < 1340738977 828031 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need money as a kid < 1340738979 714418 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340739002 267027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly we're all suckers then :( < 1340739035 320419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm currently living with what I saved during apprenticeship. < 1340739058 159560 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340739065 378555 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1340739071 971694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Vorpal clone. < 1340739092 43217 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using stype < 1340739100 452573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err swype that is XD < 1340739104 225452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't spell to itself < 1340739156 274158 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WLAN is horrible here < 1340739156 666743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be using... that one thing, what was it called. That zoomy flowy thing. < 1340739162 600277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340739164 332618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dasher. < 1340739165 537895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340739166 143098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1340739167 52166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340739184 416940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a small game every time you want to enter some text. < 1340739213 413668 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smart stay on s3 works better than expected < 1340739232 909561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the camera thing where it tries to see if anyone is looking on the screen before going to sleep < 1340739247 803331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On 22 March 2010, a new Guinness World Record of 35.54 seconds was set for the fastest text message on a touchscreen mobile phone using Swype on the Samsung Omnia II,[7] and reportedly improved on 22 August of the same year to 25.94 using a Samsung Galaxy S." < 1340739263 593153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long was the message < 1340739270 109403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 characters, 25 words. < 1340739277 839022 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah nice < 1340739290 701736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The razor-toothed piranhas of the genera Serrasalmus and Pygocentrus are the most ferocious freshwater fish in the world. In reality they seldom attack a human." < 1340739298 847108 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure I could send "lol" in <25 seconds. < 1340739303 765622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was the message.) < 1340739318 33306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's commonly known that piranhas can't kill a human just like that ;) < 1340739331 680673 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also swype works better than I expected before I tried it < 1340739350 118325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC article doesn't mention if he had been writing stuff like "Serrasalmus" and "Pygocentrus" in advance. I suppose those things do some learning? < 1340739362 156442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably would die from blood poisoning & co. < 1340739386 389481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Only a skeleton is left after about three seconds, I've seen this in comics. < 1340739428 447033 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it isn't swype as such. On older phones there was an IME oil < 1340739430 668186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1340739439 33249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME option* < 1340739444 725372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I hit enter by mistake < 1340739445 643764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1340739452 257394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an IME option called swype < 1340739460 121717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is included in the default "Samsung keyboard" IME < 1340739488 996624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Nuance bought the Swype company? They're really chomping people up. < 1340739490 319836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do tap or swipe, not sure if you could that with the original swype < 1340739498 575920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are nuance? < 1340739504 273081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, and terrorist are everywhere. < 1340739508 808193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is my laptop acting like it is swap trashing < 1340739510 789322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit < 1340739522 449638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuance Communications, it's a speech/imaging/language company conglomerate. < 1340739531 775887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although far more people die during falling down their stairs than from terror attacks. < 1340739536 194220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it isn't swap trashing < 1340739537 83632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've been buying other companies like it's going out of style. < 1340739540 772942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it acting like it then < 1340739559 728475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait actually it is. Looks like Linux preferred to use the RAM for cache instead of xchat or X11 < 1340739569 215522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Loquendo, who did... something, I forget exactly what. < 1340739582 6924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am doing IO operations on it) < 1340739605 108809 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132D35.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1340739607 80315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A speech thing in some well-known thing, anyway. < 1340739639 894027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of speech. Samsung included a Siri clone < 1340739644 48423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't funny < 1340739650 374859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know what the point is < 1340739656 792156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not like even Siri is remotely useful < 1340739819 753927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since their 2006 merger with ScanSoft, they've bought: Dictaphone Corporation; Mobile Voice Control, Inc.; Focus Informatics, Inc.; Bluestar Resources Ltd.; BeVocal, Inc.; VoiceSignal Technologies, Inc.; Tegic Communications, Inc.; Commissure, Inc.; Vocada, Inc.; Viecore, Inc.; eScription, Inc.; Multivision Communications, Inc.; Philips Speech Recognition Systems GMBH; SNAPin Software, Inc.; a ... < 1340739826 44795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... pile of IBM's patents; Zi Corporation; speech technology department of Harman International Industries; Jott Networks Inc.; nCore Ltd.; Ecopy; Spinvox; MacSpeech; iTa P/L; PerSay; Equitrac; SVOX; Webmedx; Loquendo; Swype; Vlingo; Transcend Services. < 1340739833 501074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that many of those are big companies, but still. < 1340739868 830209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those companies I hadn't even heard of < 1340739893 895041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do speechy and voicy stuff. Nothing terribly famous there. < 1340739915 826959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the somewhat known "Dragon ThisAndThat" family of speech things is by Nuance. < 1340739963 27032 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people like Siri because they think it's actual ai < 1340739969 250775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vlingo I remember seeing in some other context. < 1340739981 26910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I thought they liked it because it was programmed to be somewhat funny < 1340739982 680079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've heard some people claim they actually get some use out of Siri. < 1340740000 840726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of them was a blogging lawyer, and lawyers aren't known to joke. < 1340740005 632916 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most people I know, know the word programming but do not understand its meaning < 1340740040 852506 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most people that use the iPhone etc. are such people < 1340740061 482717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also Tegic (in that list of companies) made and patented the "T9" text input, if you've heard of that. < 1340740082 948193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes I know of T9 < 1340740103 946700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that made writing SMS on keypad phones actually possible < 1340740122 923901 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. That made it not actually suck. < 1340740128 533620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also made so many jokes about predictive text input mishaps possible. < 1340740146 712351 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also kinda an obvious thing if you had used tech in Asia. < 1340740169 31935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1340740169 360537 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by necessity, text input in CJK is predictive) < 1340740180 492354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding the actuall number of used cells is not that easy :D < 1340740205 515209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! I found the icon for adb being attached (which doesn't show on my samsung btw, why?) < 1340740209 974179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1340740214 749678 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. < 1340740222 255474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it doesn't show? yes < 1340740232 15797 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Samsung believe in being blatantly non-stock? < 1340740232 684623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it seems like a good thing to represent what I'm writing < 1340740238 929179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do < 1340740247 787286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the stuff they do are improvements sure, but only some < 1340740257 228180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among the university students there's a slang term of sorts to say "jalka mk" in place of "kalja ok", i.e. "beer ok", because that's what some phone produced for the corresponding keys. (It's from the SMS-to-Usenet gateway that CS students used to use to announce when they were off partying somewhere, and how things went wrong that time.) < 1340740260 816395 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall write a program that measures cell usage. < 1340740261 41163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like their start application menu, it is better than stock < 1340740268 601762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the UI? nah < 1340740269 701951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SMS-to-private-news-server, not Usenet per se. < 1340740299 452256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does "kalja ok" mean? < 1340740306 528413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also usenet? you guys still use that? < 1340740311 564305 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "beer ok", like he said. < 1340740317 8964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1340740337 352253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newsgroups are pretty dead nowadays. < 1340740339 524915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find this icon btw, I had to check out 13 GB of android sources < 1340740341 768291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess most people don't but news.tky.fi is certainly up and running. < 1340740353 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it still *works*. < 1340740359 611600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are posts, just not all that many. < 1340740373 421460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I presume "jalka" doesn't mean anything? < 1340740381 399855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: leg, foot. < 1340740383 756601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of stuff. < 1340740384 450849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340740387 348039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mk? < 1340740388 908462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it wouldn't be predicted. < 1340740393 771748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that doesn't really mean anything. < 1340740404 217104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Marks? < 1340740408 165246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1340740417 825306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abbreviation for the previous monetary unit. < 1340740419 827444 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there is this professor(in Java) at the university near where I live(not sure what his name is), and he said that in public methods you should always use the getters rather than the field name directly. Isn't that a little over-pedantic? < 1340740424 374265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have a word without vowels? < 1340740425 828028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1340740428 291602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How didn't I think of that? Face to palm. < 1340740428 561265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :abrev < 1340740446 735851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. 56 and 200 require 4 cells, not 3. < 1340740453 676644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, it is very... object oriented < 1340740463 998748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, android lint can be set to complain about it < 1340740477 60174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Also, the news.tky.fi webterface gives me 403 now. Was it restricted to local use or what? < 1340740477 665080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since apparently it is up to 3x slower with the dalvik VM < 1340740497 842642 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Beats me, I've only used it like once or twice. < 1340740507 272635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work from work. < 1340740527 235541 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://news.tky.fi/ seems to work for me. < 1340740600 138700 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was just wondering if there's a lot of advantage. Using getters has great advantage if you want to change fields, however, someone who writes public methods should also have written and/or understood the fields?(or else you would have not enough abstraction?) < 1340740618 180577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss ? on the end of function names from scheme, I can't think of a good equivalent of "take-lock?" (a function that decides if we should take a wake lock by looking at the current situation and settings) < 1340740625 181917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hah: < 1340740625 850358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ curl -s -4 -I http://news.tky.fi/ | grep HTTP < 1340740626 49732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.1 200 OK < 1340740626 49878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ curl -s -6 -I http://news.tky.fi/ | grep HTTP < 1340740626 49981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden < 1340740626 408269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340740633 872553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IPv6 breaks the day again. < 1340740641 805389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340740654 670441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I think C#/.NET properties is a nice solution to the issue. < 1340740656 127208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1340740669 295861 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, have seen that < 1340740679 424971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a reasonable one < 1340740682 57433 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just not doing it :p < 1340740683 603805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still object oriented < 1340740690 339792 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or doesn't that count :p?) < 1340740695 111527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, my suggestion: go with the policy at the company you work at. Or of the teacher for the course in question. < 1340740700 966606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your own code? Do what you prefer < 1340740714 4796 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have a teacher, nor a company < 1340740715 867808 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340740719 140317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a tradition to post a fixed-content disparaging message to the "-h" newsgroup (mostly CS students) whenever someone left their account logged-in at one of the university workstations. < 1340740724 246075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I don't do getters or setters if they would be just this.foo = foo < 1340740728 412550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or return foo; < 1340740740 704973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are making an API? < 1340740744 884682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that is trickier < 1340740745 364803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see last one is from April 5th, so either the tradition has gotten less common, or people have gotten better at not leaving unlocked computers unattended. < 1340740755 194616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what is best then for maintaining it < 1340740775 588984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, from within the same class I wouldn't use "pointless" getters/setters < 1340740783 468583 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do as you do it seems. I'm not writing an API, although my project is quite big. < 1340740796 18556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re ?, you can do what Lisp folks do and substitute in "P". < 1340740805 328766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know have a program which accept a range of programs to calculate. < 1340740822 135525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that you can run different processes with different ranges on each core. < 1340740826 94282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1340740833 539292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accepts < 1340740846 305714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or I could confuse every haskell programmer out there and call it maybeTakeLock < 1340740855 80061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have to generate a list of ranges first. < 1340740858 988528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe tomorrow :) < 1340740887 848407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, s/know/now/ < 1340740940 208134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That name also sort of suggests it would actually do take the lock if necessary, and not just check whether it should. < 1340740980 34336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1340740988 43461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the P thing would just confuse me < 1340740994 220086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sure what I would call it < 1340740996 996054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"takeLockP" is I think the combination of Lisp P-for-predicate and Java CamelCase. < 1340741011 136400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's probably not a good idea. < 1340741044 502059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it isn't < 1340741046 82607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call it mustTakeLock if you want your programs to look like English. ("if (mustTakeLock) ...") < 1340741053 500437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiee < 1340741062 947737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldWeTakeLock? < 1340741064 965563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit long < 1340741073 32930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "We" sounds out of place < 1340741082 124102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "mustWeTakeLock" sounds like it is whining about it < 1340741083 154637 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesTheOneHasTheHonourToTakeTheLock? < 1340741098 580438 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :takethYeOldeLocke? < 1340741099 664288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I presume it is a reference. I don't get it however. < 1340741101 212908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mustWeTakeTheLockAgainReallyOhMan. < 1340741105 628193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, heh < 1340741108 103873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1340741158 889983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'is'/'has' prefix is a conventional for boolean-returning methods, but it's not really all that applicable here. isItLockingTimeAgain? < 1340741160 108755 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just an overly long identifier name, intended as a parody on long names < 1340741170 388730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conventional in Java, that is. < 1340741185 467864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, ah < 1340741206 94698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, that is why I have the silly field "isUSB" < 1340741207 62796 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but I must say l isn't much better :p < 1340741210 395005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indicating if we are on USB < 1340741230 325106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I was kind of aiming for a balance in between those extremes yeah < 1340741239 739487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'isLockNeeded' is kind of tame, but preferrably you'd have some sort of closer match to other things, maybe. < 1340741252 513242 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :needsLock < 1340741255 508650 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's bad < 1340741288 375833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "release-lock?" as well btw < 1340741315 364792 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you want generality for sure < 1340741334 325810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, actually I can rewrite it as one function and move the check of the current state of locking elsewhere < 1340741335 796097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340741344 420054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case "needsLock" is fine < 1340741348 447919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or isLockNeeded < 1340741358 36105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :isLochNess. < 1340741405 270286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :enums behave silly in switch blocks btw < 1340741409 979951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1340741412 123272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistent < 1340741424 153799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since everywhere else you need to qualify it like MyEnum.VALUE < 1340741428 130759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there it is just VALUE < 1340741454 331024 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of enums, I like C++11's strong enums < 1340741497 345995 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1340741499 872986 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340741504 500376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, java is being stupid. The end of the function /is/ unreachable < 1340741511 808756 :AnotherTest!~Test@d51A4C6EE.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340741529 125495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh. yeah @know. < 1340741557 788322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never learnt how to write english :D < 1340741568 132865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt it by listening. < 1340741581 400996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu? < 1340741608 476151 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I've < 1340741720 1332 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Quit: 　 < 1340741753 814875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I'm surprised < 1340741788 916154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I had english in school years ago. < 1340741789 563318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sadly, the rules of switch don't let you write it as switch (enumvalue.ordinal()) { case MyEnum.VALUE.ordinal(): ... } for consistency. < 1340741799 501754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340741804 243100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but leaning languages in school is pretty much useless. < 1340741806 501254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learning < 1340741807 401780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that what it translates to? < 1340741810 299080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems terrible < 1340741818 687067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides < 1340741831 348249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like red cars. I like them because they are red" < 1340741832 233144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MyEnum.VALUE.ordinal() isn't constant enough for a case label is why.) < 1340741840 221991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the niveau of school english. < 1340741849 484063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, "niveau"? < 1340741851 904391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else I learned by watching american television shows. < 1340741869 81493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340741872 82730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :niveau = level < 1340741875 280450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340741878 724080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a french word ;) < 1340741884 443760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so save as Swedish "nivÃ¥" then < 1340741944 221318 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange question here.. what does it mean for an Ada, Common Lisp or REBOL program to have a loop condition in the middle of the loop? < 1340741971 436349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it translates probably into either the 'tableswitch' or the 'lookupswitch' bytecode, if you look deeply enough. But to something approximating that code, anyway. < 1340741991 141161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the constants are consecutive, I guess tableswitch. < 1340742012 109549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340742012 308268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just know how an english word sounds and guess how to spell it :) < 1340742028 41966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you seem to know a lot about java bytecode? < 1340742051 552515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've browsed the specification now and then. I had some sort of vague plans for something I've forgotten. < 1340742061 173694 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it probably means that it would look something like { ... while(condition) ... } < 1340742068 402579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the verification rules make doing exotic things impossible. < 1340742112 164156 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340742118 39809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is that rule? < 1340742163 841816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all kinds of rules. But one of them makes it so that you can't (at least easily) translate a general stack-based language to Java bytecode in such a way that the VM stack would be used as the language's stack, because if some point of the code can be reached via multiple paths, all the various paths must have provably identical stack effects. < 1340742180 886254 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:12 ln *.o libglfw.a -lOpenGL32 -lpng < 1340742181 85314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't do any sort of "loop until stack empty" sort of things. < 1340742197 850951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd hit the loop start with different stacks.) < 1340742201 928028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1340742219 919232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^disregard < 1340742260 521874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do the values have to be the same, or just the number of elements and their types? < 1340742281 738197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no computed jumps either, all targets must be known bytes that are start of one opcode. < 1340742300 796312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check how the exact wording was. < 1340742326 977429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same stack depth regardless of the path taken. < 1340742333 650084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340742354 840821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1340742376 37683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it help the optimiser that much? < 1340742388 888003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is going to be JIT-compiled anyway < 1340742403 703922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they determine the maximum stack depth at compile time. < 1340742420 445571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340742424 181096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be harder, I suppose. < 1340742442 55380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how can they do that though, recursive functions would mess that u < 1340742443 711585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :up* < 1340742459 37917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack is local to the function. < 1340742471 794069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they pass parameters then? < 1340742481 928035 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340742495 362588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such a stack sounds terribly inefficient, allocating a stack for each function call < 1340742496 211748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'invokeblah' opcodes pop them off the local stack. (It's a different thing than the call stack.) < 1340742524 691226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is JVM stack or register based btw? < 1340742528 545075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack. < 1340742528 744247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess stack based? < 1340742533 329927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340742558 742370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly going to be very many elements deep. I don't think values usually live on it from one statement to the next; it just converts expressions into stack-based opcodes. < 1340742578 360253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the JIT will revamp it back to register-oriented machine code. < 1340742601 952358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dalvik is IIRC a register-based arch. < 1340742607 60858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why do they use a stack based vm < 1340742628 170763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not in the book. Or at least I haven't noticed it yet. < 1340742645 538604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1340742654 614238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Java Virtual Machine Specification book. < 1340742657 120339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean why did Sun decide to use stack based < 1340742661 369356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really deal in whys. < 1340742662 177080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the JVM is stack based < 1340742663 769920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said < 1340742666 313086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340742667 172395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340742683 443871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not all that uncommon; .Net's bytecode uses a stack-based architecture too, unless I misremember. < 1340742731 225763 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llvm and dalvik are both register based though. < 1340742761 670157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also sort of more modern. < 1340742764 867004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they inherited some of that stuff from Self. < 1340742793 427710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that thing's internals looked, but they had some JIT stuffs that I think ended up in Java's HotSpot. < 1340742804 669676 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the lag between your messages arriving on my laptop and this phone is very large. < 1340742816 326972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange since they are both currently on the same WLAN < 1340742825 79153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no such lag in sending < 1340742884 899425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typing on swype may be fast compared to non-swype on phone, but I really wish there was something as fast as a laptop keyboard on a phone (no those tiny keyboards like your nokia has are not as fast as laptop keyboards) < 1340742897 816485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Self"? < 1340742985 801970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (AFAIK) first language with prototypical inheritance, a Smalltalk dialect < 1340742996 18409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds like a reasonable summary. < 1340743015 947364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also involved people went to Sun and worked on the Java JIT. < 1340743018 710460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language with stereotypical inheritance? < 1340743041 969030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340743065 951344 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, < 1340743122 846813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1340743130 163446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do spinners work in Android for fixed translatable strings... gah < 1340743141 556001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only populated spinners from code before. < 1340743166 436907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like that. Right < 1340743207 938789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually to be slightly more accurate, the "operand stack" (spec term; what the VM instructions operate on) is in fact part of the stack frame on the "real stack" (my term). It has that smallish fixed maximum depth, so it's not all that resource-intensive, I suppose. So it's not separate stacks, at least conceptually. < 1340743226 94292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340743372 823297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :VorpalPhone, Testing highlight < 1340743375 573822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340743397 917592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it did a nick column like xchat < 1340743401 546338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that easier to read < 1340743664 507961 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@h34n5c1o291.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1340743664 706703 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340743805 611431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the VorpalPhone go snickersnack? < 1340743835 93893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1340743843 389734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, let me try < 1340743856 738823 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sticker snack < 1340743865 658617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is swype for you < 1340743870 352237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340743887 745090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it thinks stickers are more edible than snickers, i take < 1340743903 364360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snickers really satisfies < 1340743906 669208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I went with first suggestion < 1340743933 201737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im allergic to peanuts < 1340743935 202779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck snickers < 1340743983 222016 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't convince my doctor i'm allergic.. i just get an awful reaction that i have to spit and spit and perhaps take anvil < 1340744036 38885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advil < 1340744093 516706 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to recollect to check auto identify < 1340744099 689428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconnect* < 1340744105 283795 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1340744124 9626 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340744130 969286 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1340744448 867946 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to try randomly dragging around to see what I get . < 1340744508 605210 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divisive bridal vocabulary history Cisco Hutchison subdivision search zero workshop wagon worn posh high ennui caucus vista Chicago citizen < 1340744511 683996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340744677 102220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you played Tale of Monkey Island right? < 1340744682 469832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I misremember < 1340744689 854742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more recent game that is < 1340744721 816447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ < 1340744737 70020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it was 60% off on gog, not sure if it is worth it still at $14 < 1340744934 700074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1340745048 356135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so was it worth that price? < 1340745057 537067 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340745071 19429 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340745080 431822 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Client Quit < 1340745163 625113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really answer questions of worth. It wasn't bad by any means, but it wasn't terribly good either. I did have some fun with it. Some of the parts were on the boring side, and I vaguely recall there were some frustrating bits, but perhaps that's to be expected. Anyway, the writing wasn't bad (in my subjective opinion), which I suppose was a big plus. < 1340745212 491889 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1340745217 351665 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Released 3 years ago and alreayd on gog? < 1340745226 679730 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't sell for long... < 1340745229 647542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Old" is the new new. < 1340745250 93943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how do you compare it to MI1, MI2 and MI3? < 1340745252 82172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got all five for some not terribly large amounts of money, Telltale themselves were having some sort of a thing. < 1340745274 541074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, there are some new releases on gog happening nowdays (apart from their own witcher series I mean) < 1340745292 973856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess they are looking for extra revenue < 1340745337 929066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, they are the episodic game guys < 1340745382 780554 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1340745400 373949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It wasn't as consistently good as I remember those games being, but that could be nostalgia talking. But the best moments were in the same ballpark. Also, I kind of like puns, and there was some amount of those. I suppose the puzzles weren't all that clever, all in all. < 1340745410 1477 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't feel like playing MI with 3D graphics .__. < 1340745424 324845 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it takes ages to do 2D animation but somebody could at least try .__. < 1340745425 398711 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1340745429 92418 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think of it < 1340745430 757688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks different, that's certainly true. < 1340745432 824044 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I ported unix v7 ed to windows < 1340745435 11489 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a kickstarter for something like that lately < 1340745479 719469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: There was at least that Double Fine Adventure kickstarter. < 1340745484 947811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notable for getting so much money. < 1340745491 8053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, you know they made special editions with completely redrawn graphics of MI1 and MI2? < 1340745497 489797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :new music, and voice acting as well < 1340745501 609781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same puzzles though < 1340745509 220561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got $3,336,371 of their $400,000 goal. < 1340745526 884496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the special editions are fancy in that they allow you to swap between the original and the new graphics at any time you like. < 1340745534 487797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they do that topo < 1340745535 753405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too* < 1340745543 80134 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...realy? < 1340745552 340619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched a bit of an LP of MI2 special edition < 1340745554 151982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked good < 1340745567 220511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really interested in the LP itself though < 1340745572 88444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can find it < 1340745617 412851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De2xdeIrtTI < 1340745626 520434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, you might want to check if that is something in your taste < 1340745626 731957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of tempted to take part in that kickstarting thing since you could've gotten the game from it for just $15, but in the end sort of forgot. < 1340745652 212567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, oh wait, it actually starts here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcyFF1wIQPs < 1340745684 730984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kickstarters involve some economical risk < 1340745720 9251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there really haven't been any major game kickstarters before. So we can't really compare successrate yet. < 1340745725 197178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :success rate* < 1340745740 336961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from the Psychonauts folks, so they should know how to do fun, or so people at least say; and Tim Schafer should know a thing or two about adventure games. < 1340745777 259493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose cautious optimism is warranted. < 1340745779 610168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they might not know how to do it economically though. < 1340745786 283493 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant idea #51: inhaling capsaicin. http://youtu.be/7bKTsmIBIao < 1340745786 908974 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1340745787 348872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, I do think they will manage < 1340745823 101385 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, i’ve been playing TSOMI:SE since yesterday. < 1340746030 608557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, TSOMI? < 1340746053 197027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh MI2 < 1340746055 881180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or MI1 < 1340746062 3113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MI1 right? < 1340746189 645865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay my screen waker program works < 1340746216 424087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some GUI polish though < 1340746235 660626 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1340746250 716344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooey polish, check < 1340746277 940543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, like, you know, saving your settings < 1340746301 750088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but why do you want them in polish < 1340746326 417134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340746342 950850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, currently the UI looks terrible. I should upload a screenshot < 1340746378 846726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try the built in stuff for that < 1340746522 742130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/87474461/Screenshot_2012-06-26-23-32-49.png < 1340746561 8730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this phone came with 50 GB on dropbox for 2 years btw, kind of nice, what with how expensive it was) < 1340746569 483181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very minimalistic < 1340746577 871117 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inhaling anything besides air sounds suspect to me < 1340746578 550905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also doesn't save settings yet < 1340746588 108868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway the start/stop service buttons are going away < 1340746595 267830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not relevant really except when debugging < 1340746601 252290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: nose drops < 1340746638 894314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also I plan to add a notification thingy for it < 1340746648 532221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the notification screen you know < 1340746675 513048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i don't have a smartphone < 1340746717 335295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1340746778 576495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this screen, you reach it from anywhere by dragging down from the top of the screen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87474461/Screenshot_2012-06-26-23-38-20.png < 1340746795 680593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows stuff like that listed there, also things like "you got new mail" < 1340746852 99980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340746993 460183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropbox is kind of neat. I just hit the "send to dropbox" on my phone in the gallery, then it showed up within seconds on both my computers < 1340747163 81512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banner ad of the day: an ad for a self-described "combat lightsaber specialist" company. < 1340747201 726816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1340747207 99232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check out the details? < 1340747262 531297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they sell lightsabers. I don't know how combat-ready they are. Prices generally range from $100 to $200 for single-bladed models, approximately. < 1340747306 701657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The models have very impressive names. The Dark Initiate LE v3, the Collectors Edition Liberator v3, and so on. < 1340747344 545137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dart Maul UltraFX Double Hilt with their Premium Obsidian soundboard retails for $649. < 1340747354 456855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Dart/Darth/ obviously. < 1340747379 601451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UltraEdge blades provide a thick, bright blade due to the white polycarbonate tube. They are as good as the mid-grade blades for dueling purposes." < 1340747389 302311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really know this sort of thing was a thing. < 1340747479 404959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I suppose there's really no reason to be surprised at all.) < 1340747523 564132 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340747582 818568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when the specification includes amount of kilokelvins you can start being surprised. < 1340747803 920451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Genuine Luxeon III LED installed with high quality heat-sink" "Detachable fiber optic Ultra Blade with polycarbonate blade tip" "Stainless steel retention bolt used to secure blade while also allowing for quick blade removal" sadly it sounds quite like fakery. < 1340747838 830777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a heat-sink _should_ be useful. < 1340747963 683598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are light sabres supposed to work (in the story that is) < 1340747972 333897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sci-fi justification do they have? < 1340747972 949740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystals, if I recall correctly. < 1340747978 17982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystals of what? < 1340747983 759037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "blade" itself? < 1340747990 548350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean crystals of what? Crystals! < 1340748002 325144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340748002 797054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wookieepedia has quite a lot of *text* about it. < 1340748012 672491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the blade consist of for example < 1340748015 25573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The weapon consisted of a blade of pure plasma emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape." < 1340748033 704579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pure" plasma contained in what? < 1340748041 137759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the force field. < 1340748045 415300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says right so. < 1340748053 808912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a "the what" as in "I don't believe that" < 1340748064 605568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1340748067 293432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "force containment" < 1340748068 643176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1340748076 349274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"may the force be with you"? < 1340748093 969144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually a regular force field, but I'm not completely sure. < 1340748094 223959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's not the same force < 1340748106 75205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and how are *those* supposed to work? < 1340748110 547648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for some value of "regular" < 1340748121 340940 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340748144 514514 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340748145 123728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up Vorpal will claim star wars hyperdrive is unrealistic. < 1340748150 847040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340748159 239523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primary parts of a lightsaber: the hilt, the pommel cap, the diatium power cell, the inert power insulator, the focusing lens, the lightsaber crystal, the emitter matrix and the blade emitter. Each of those is its own article. < 1340748168 299086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, all FTL travel I seen so far is unrealistic. < 1340748173 321591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't surprise me < 1340748185 148165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow < 1340748224 967471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main article is 27 A4 pages, printed. < 1340748228 837696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble hth < 1340748248 2365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly history, though. < 1340748280 995946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The blade emitter was the part of a lightsaber that actually projected the blade. It consisted of the emitter matrix, which further focused the blade after the crystal with a tightly wrapped magnetic field, and the emitter itself, where the blade actually protruded. The emitter possessed the magnetic ring that created the field that contained the plasma of the blade and arced it back to the ... < 1340748287 40877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lightsaber for reconversion back to electricity." < 1340748318 492229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :P < 1340748337 865126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's magnetic containment in this article, so who knows. < 1340748350 413869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't exactly explain how the magnetic field is shaped, anyway. < 1340748355 65711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course it's history, it happened a long time ago you know < 1340748384 270590 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340748464 906725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, but history-history. You know, the whole story from the Rakatan Forcesabers with their ebon crystals that channel the dark side, through the First Blade and he Duinuogwuin Contention days, up to adoption by the Jedi, the Great Galactic War, and so on. < 1340748576 614461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As everyone knows, it was the Sith Empire that were mostly responsible from refining them from mostly ceremonial tools into a practical weapon, primarily by solving the power supply problem by including an internal superconductor that transferred the returning looping energy from the negative-charged flux aperture back to the power cell. < 1340748587 65430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are all quotes from Wookieepedia.) < 1340748608 526779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not direct quotations, but the information.) < 1340748665 447279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders if "Rakata" is a mangling of Raksha
< 1340748708 108659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rakata is the name of a volcano on the island of Krakatau", according to the 'Behind the scenes' section. < 1340748725 922190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_, but that doesn't prove anything... < 1340748757 803096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were invented for one of the games, apparently. < 1340749109 642628 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340749456 74470 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340749527 797998 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they were invented for KOTOR, which is one of the better-regarded games. < 1340749568 90743 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that people these days constantly use it in the phrase "is crap, why can't we go back to the days when things like KOTOR were made". < 1340749589 651019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340749771 596279 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you're in the mood for weird Wookiepedia articles, they have a very odd article on 'breast'. < 1340749784 838650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to rant fiercely about what is wrong with todays games... < 1340749807 393369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my usual set of deficiencies plagues me < 1340749898 937773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reluctance to do actual research, focusing outside of actual practice preferring imaginary practice, spending half my rants correcting the errors i have made so far < 1340749913 559414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1340749965 842559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as for "why can't we go back to the days when things like KOTOR were made" i -like to think i- rarely make statements of the form "why can't we?" but i probably do anyway < 1340750067 450913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What games do you mean? < 1340750130 425000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some, i am quite happy to play by fair rules in such discussions (eh i don't know a meaning discussion vs debate vs rant) < 1340750143 716845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is a good question < 1340750183 909004 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340750230 683804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for a modern game to be categorized as inferior to a past game, some kind of analysis of what is actually wrong should take place < 1340750248 375573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340750273 186986 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, the burden of proof is really on the gameplayer to prove that somehow their experiences with the modern game are unsatisfactory in some way < 1340750284 95736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1340750303 512193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose in reality, comparison to past games is really a special case, and a mistake < 1340750320 47555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps yes it may be one special case < 1340750347 453659 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be related to how one can grow weary of something < 1340750355 640981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the lens of nostalgia < 1340750357 83212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many computer games one problem may be that the scoring could be improved from how they had made it < 1340750394 58189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how we measure what we like is probably relative to what is available < 1340750469 496910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't have time to carry on about these questions < 1340750471 768803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like to < 1340750499 767859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be necessary to go back to aristotle to uncover some of the answers < 1340750511 603772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a fallacy that good graphics are more desirable < 1340750517 634853 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340750534 173735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fallacy is that "good" is ill-defined i suppose < 1340750550 571416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What graphics are needed may also depend on the game < 1340750561 334606 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is pointless to say the desirable graphics are desirable < 1340750577 414967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In generaly I think the graphics is generally not needed < 1340750599 91391 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to counter the fallacy that undesirable graphics are desirable < 1340750655 980398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consumer sheep have been well-fed on 3d graphics... < 1340750683 794610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 3D geometry is not used in the gameplay, it should not have 3D graphics, is my opinion. < 1340750687 999005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way theres nothing wrong with the system < 1340750703 539802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i am happiest when trying to criticize something < 1340750760 550138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make many different computer games in the way I prefer it, and then other people that like in this way can play this game too. < 1340750773 569916 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340750808 616003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like graffiti is only meaningful in as much as some can't stand it so much that taxes get spent cleaning it < 1340750904 467087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time, there was some artwork by that banksy guy which accidently got destroyed, and people have started speculating about putting protective plastic on certain works of graffiti < 1340750910 313737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't waste your taxes like that. < 1340750952 58735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going off topic it seems, but i gotta go make breakfast < 1340750957 222498 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340751035 122419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340751799 173243 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so i try to focus on answering questions like "why can't we go back to the days when things like KOTOR were made" < 1340751814 407799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than treating it as rhetorical which would be the norm < 1340751956 938893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never had an internet connected console, but some of the problems i think is the way that when a game is played in single player, that it needs cultural relevance to be deeply enjoyable < 1340752048 66691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. ok i'm honing in on the problem < 1340752085 834551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write a software application it is natural to use it a lot.. < 1340752155 942320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you write a game, then somehow it would be weird to spend signifigant time playing the game yourself if not for testing < 1340752185 590891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i hear the creator of gran turismo plays it < 1340752199 136975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is the mark of a good game if the developers themselves actually want to play it < 1340752363 580310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know KOTOR. But, I do make the game that I like to play by myself too < 1340752439 607241 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do feel a sense of guilt when i flood this channel with this wall of text < 1340752482 746098 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only you'd act upon it. < 1340752491 585716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Vorpal, say something, anything < 1340752499 402418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im done < 1340752502 585996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I am OK with that. Although other people can type on here too < 1340752506 415293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the best of intentions < 1340752521 299357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is not the right place to say quite so much quite so fast < 1340752656 435425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind < 1340752745 462480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequels in the top 100 game sales of 2012: mass effect,diablo,just dance,mario kart,call of duty,super mario,mario party,final fantasy,elder scrolls,fifa soccer,battlefield,uncharted,resident evil,max payne,gran turismo,ufc undisputed,assassin's creed,zelda,grand theft auto < 1340752816 168867 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few others i guess. basically the best popular games are almost all franchises and sequels. < 1340752830 219112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^best selling < 1340753216 566088 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several of those are from relatively new franchses. < 1340753216 801475 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*franchises < 1340753231 631017 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be more meaningful if you looked at sales figures across the series. < 1340753239 677498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some bias in the ones i left out too < 1340753294 8309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that there is a great emphasis on gaming as a form of social interaction. this is probably nothing new. nightclubs have gotten rich as social networking services < 1340753308 631535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: point noted. < 1340753415 920823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really astonishing how many sales super mario gets < 1340753501 881564 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW the top selling console games in 2001 were *all* part of a preexisting franchise, as were all but 2 of the PC games. < 1340753509 14216 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340753509 266998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How good game do you think the computer game I have made would be? (Super ASCII MZX Town, Potion of Confusing, XnazzyBall, Disk Catch, The CGA Collection (which consists of various computer games), etc) < 1340753549 310571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sales do not affect the quality of a game unless they use that money to hire people to make improvements and that those people are actually competent to do so. < 1340753622 68913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although games tend to be similar to each other < 1340753627 18730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although games get called clones < 1340753660 512935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think theres almost no instances of a non-puzzle game's physics being copied verbatim < 1340753664 717955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :====== < 1340753674 835145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why we should make up the games differently, even if there are some similarities. < 1340753681 68260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340753701 224964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you are correct there does tend to be too many similarities, but usually they do not even make improvements to those things < 1340753705 766793 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, is that a "please for the love of god stop this conversation" line? < 1340753716 643271 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340753721 194123 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :continue < 1340753849 799191 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'm going to draw one of those lines: < 1340753853 641431 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------------------------------- < 1340753973 413381 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340754023 465834 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: something < 1340754024 219961 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He took his vorpal phone in hand; < 1340754043 698177 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job, rather late. < 1340754068 18803 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I was playing edge < 1340754079 362469 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edge...? < 1340754109 506537 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sticker snack (I blame swype) < 1340754117 467704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plot of the "Potion of Confusing" game is somewhat like this: You have to solve the puzzles to collect the purple keys and once you have enough you can leave. You have to save gibbering mouthers from the king's army, and the only way to do that is to hold the second purple key as you hold a pencil, and write "VOID" on the contract; that way the army will attack the king instead. But you need to go to the library to learn the contract law first, < 1340754118 183873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, a puzzle platformer < 1340754125 19443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, was part of a previous humble bundle < 1340754131 694804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the android bundle iirc < 1340754140 301849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put it on my new phone to try out touch controls for games < 1340754141 993470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games such as "Disk Catch" have no real plot because it is not that kind of game. < 1340754171 334804 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340754180 614356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, displaying a gamepad on screen and using that worked best out of the three control methods (the one I just mentioned, tilt, drag cube (the player is a cube)) < 1340754196 21346 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fascinating. < 1340754203 64299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there external keyboard method? < 1340754205 222815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my room is a wifi white spot < 1340754216 563355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't have an external keyboard for my phone though < 1340754220 228115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is on the PC version < 1340754226 574695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc it is wasd or the arrow keys) < 1340754234 237492 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that in the event that I buy an Android phone and feel the need to play a highly-reviewed indie game on it. < 1340754245 186170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, anyway why did you want me to say something? < 1340754262 645357 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To break the iti/zzo feedback loop. < 1340754266 989812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, stop being sarcastic, there is no call for it < 1340754272 188798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, that.... sounds terrible < 1340754280 682175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not read the scrollback, I'm too scared < 1340754280 884272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have something to say? < 1340754308 583631 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340754309 661944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a white spot for wifi here, even my laptop can only get like 2 bars :/ < 1340754325 427155 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: something < 1340754332 365574 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me, the wifi in my house is insane. < 1340754360 934574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, well, it doesn't normally bother me since I use ethernet for my laptop in here < 1340754380 387686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Samsung neglected adding an ethernet port to this phone! < 1340754385 526235 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm pretty sure wifi in general is a big hoax, and it's actually all run with the souls of baby rabbits or something which keep hopping into the wrong place or something I swear this made sense when I started typing < 1340754397 275121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm kind of happy with that, think how bulky it would have been!) < 1340754403 426127 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1340754406 208033 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not need to say that < 1340754413 36115 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to mock you for it < 1340754426 26071 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i thought "nah, he must be blatantly ironic" < 1340754455 458681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, zzo was in here, I'm not sure he would have understood that I was ironic < 1340754533 682136 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct protocol in that case is to ignore him. < 1340754632 486791 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like swype though. At least for English it is pretty good. Haven't tried it much for Swedish yet. Although it can't tell to and too apart. < 1340754689 762198 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to make it confuse see and seen and it'll be able to perfectly mimic your typing. < 1340754719 442644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I confuse those two words? < 1340754728 427055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess I need to work on that then < 1340754748 66230 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I've brought up your struggles with the pluperfect at least twice before. < 1340754813 989091 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Testar swype för svenska. Ett sammansatt ord: ... well that fails (concur < 1340754818 513738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1340754823 715894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatinated* < 1340754830 358217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and words fell off < 1340754836 963162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is backspace next to enter :/ < 1340754849 904666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on phones it is annoying < 1340754871 685106 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because they both needed to operate similar mechanisms on typewriters, seeing as both moved the carriage back. < 1340754895 437572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340754903 511749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make sense on a phone keyboard though < 1340754914 51009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway swype fails concatenated words in Swedish < 1340754924 831037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least non-common ones < 1340754944 364598 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, of course it does, they both need to move the little carriage under the screen back. < 1340754945 546825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Swedish you really need a set of base-words and a ruleset for how to construct concatenated words < 1340754954 166726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, XD < 1340754972 791514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like for Swedish it just has a simple word list < 1340754986 654597 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1340754987 555431 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340755012 990860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is annoying, the quit message looks very similar to when the client said it lost connection itself < 1340755024 877220 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backspace < 1340755027 732685 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1340755035 857378 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page image is possibly the best I've seen on Wikipedia. < 1340755050 62100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340755050 261192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that some keyboards (rarely-used) have non-destructive backspace above the return key but the rubout key to the left of the "A" < 1340755054 542787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy < 1340755069 116565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that is a better place for it? < 1340755074 306750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, click the image and read the description < 1340755120 654024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where non-destructive backspace is used for overlapping characters to make a non-equal sign and so on) < 1340755134 731177 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Backspace < 1340755139 562190 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dour bastards < 1340755173 214017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340755238 633446 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1340755248 423168 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nominated their own crappy photo of a tennis ball < 1340755251 35748 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for featured pic < 1340755279 456970 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happened < 1340755310 533013 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three votes, all oppose. < 1340755348 580478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1340755448 704343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll finish that app tomorrow < 1340755451 914391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1340755474 50461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot left though, clean up GUI, remove some debug buttons and add preference saving < 1340755508 16656 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow someone nominated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shallow_water_waves_250px.gif for featured pic. < 1340755543 7180 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1340755560 768608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eh, seems I need to bug fix, I think the service got killed somehow... < 1340755570 532918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it needs to be a foreground service < 1340756186 988548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages allow ASCII control characters in identifiers? < 1340756220 722630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Pretty sure erlang allows some at least, if you quote the identifiers < 1340756247 190316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have an identifier which is the empty string even < 1340756373 96755 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340756401 698141 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340756426 78263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like to be able to quote the identifiers too but it is not exactly what I meant < 1340756500 391457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you can't have such variable names of course, since that is a separate namespace < 1340756504 933183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but function or module names, sure < 1340756515 123262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though for module names the compiler might not like your file name very much < 1340756648 577991 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89B32.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340756661 947078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be allowed to use shift-in, shift-out, and backspace, possibly with some restrictions (such as not more backspaces than printable characters, and any shift-out must have a shift-in somewhere after it), in some programming languages, maybe? < 1340756746 205097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as macros to treat certain names as similar to others. For example in Haskell we have "/=" for not equal so you can have "/\BS=" and "\SO|\SI" macros that result in the name being treated equivalently to "/=" unless those macros are redefined. < 1340756752 671899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-in? < 1340756757 182991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shift-in/out do? < 1340756760 53773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1340756768 731130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could also have the similar macros for the Unicode not-equal sign to mean the same thing too) < 1340756835 425468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Shift-in/shift-out on some terminals is used to select a different character set. (Other terminals may have other meanings for them, none of them common as far as I know) < 1340756845 313882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340756861 401271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I need to sleep, unless Phantom__Hoover comes back I'm not going to bother chatting more < 1340757190 590754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340757217 559163 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone else who < 1340757750 135221 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340758208 26390 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Patashu < 1340758269 36313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340758370 22435 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep even more. < 1340758418 631051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-57.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340758487 271904 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh? < 1340758740 262445 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340758927 325868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intro to Physics started. http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/ph100/CourseRev/1 < 1340759137 164070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1340759137 880672 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340760635 637261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you good at physics? < 1340760701 431812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in school I could select the science course I selected the physics because I like that one. But I was also taking calculus class so some things in the physics I could understand by the calculus too < 1340760720 930969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they invented calculus to do physics. < 1340761269 917981 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aren't you still in school? < 1340761524 853211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not in school at this time. < 1340761697 944519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What school are you not in? < 1340761775 894814 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340761797 78845 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340761901 189903 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you at collage or university then? < 1340762066 527073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not at school/collage/university. < 1340762241 504977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/MichaelSeger/status/217792901718085633/photo/1/large Now I too get to experience what Beijing atmosphere is like! < 1340762327 828233 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean during < 1340762348 995446 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :During non-holidays < 1340762455 525706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished school < 1340762915 798360 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340762954 595470 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you start university this fall then zzo38 < 1340762988 19172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1340763008 394793 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1340763128 237512 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what did it say < 1340763147 525752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-VorpalPhone- VERSION AndChat 1.4.0.2 http://www.andchat.net < 1340763154 318029 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340763191 448923 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing the Xchat style nick alignment though < 1340763292 697617 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: want a screenshot? < 1340763303 781572 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1340763389 925494 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://db.tt/gRRLiUbB < 1340763439 684884 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://db.tt/4SFpiBgg too < 1340763447 584758 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1340763499 2486 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks pretty neat. Not a fan of the variable-width font though < 1340763516 966103 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is on a 302" display btw < 1340763531 688042 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :306 I meant < 1340763542 678554 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dpi too < 1340763562 409199 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8" 306dpi < 1340763572 462657 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many typos < 1340763580 292303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :302" would be insane :p < 1340763623 785897 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an Iboard < 1340763743 667928 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm effectively using swype, though it calls itself "Samsung keyboard" < 1340763904 807224 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the phone uses the front facing camera to detect when you are still looking at it even though you haven't touched it for a bit. It works better than I expected. < 1340763957 604771 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prevents screen from timing out < 1340764101 163363 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another nice feature is picture-in-picture with the video player inside any other program. Doesn't work with YouTube though, only local videos. < 1340764137 960146 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usage of the front-facing camera sounds pretty clever < 1340764151 899564 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes < 1340764193 531236 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like this phone < 1340764207 713510 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galaxy s3 < 1340764308 240491 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long term this keyboard hurts though. But so do all phones. Even ones with physical keyboards < 1340764366 211437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best phone keyboard I've used is the N900's, so far < 1340764445 839819 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really < 1340764457 156763 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems tiny still < 1340764484 96706 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have fairly huge hands < 1340764630 452192 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I want YouTube-dl for android... < 1340764780 803470 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! I can trick opera mini into acting like that < 1340764862 172684 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that way I can do the picture in picture with YouTube videos < 1340764974 312448 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what it looks like http://db.tt/mBOf3bn7 < 1340764980 617634 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1340765003 271002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1340765030 655437 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can drag the video around of course < 1340765034 341254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easy to switch between applications? especially between current and last application < 1340765080 584674 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as easy as with galaxy nexus < 1340765101 921740 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to hardware buttons < 1340765131 356739 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hold down home to get the task menu < 1340765166 648375 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the dedicated button Google intended < 1340765205 402272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340765275 686484 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video thing is unique to s3 though < 1340765404 219674 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has a quad core CPU < 1340765448 164253 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: pretty good battery time though. < 1340765534 546874 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been using WiFi for hours without recharge and still at 75% < 1340765546 551628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1340765564 106885 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Watched video most off that time too < 1340765621 422341 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can handle a large phone, this is awesome < 1340765800 122702 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue is that using the FM radio with the included earphones o < 1340765810 534409 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is noisy < 1340765869 498137 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why. Works well with other headphones. < 1340765913 186392 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the included ones are fine with music player < 1340765923 914263 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1340765930 201131 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1340766281 614298 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340766550 482215 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340766901 510600 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340768147 785520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually a music that modulates into many keys uses equal temperament so that the chords are equal for all keys, which does work OK. But what happen if you write a music that is modulating into many keys, starting and ending on the same key though, and using just intonation tuned for only the starting key, so that the chord vary in the different keys (although you might get wolf tones in some)? < 1340768333 463231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doing that, you would have to think more carefully of what keys you modulate to, such as when you want wolf intervals and so on) < 1340769422 145761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340769552 925157 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340769878 569820 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340770165 628575 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340770644 603427 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340770770 793165 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340773558 286908 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340773586 151460 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340773637 520962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unuse command in this track. < 1340773852 883005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340773893 830376 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340774180 9664 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340774231 48695 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340774330 528392 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340778815 936903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default setting for VRC7 frequencies in PPMCK appears to be based on A440 although it is 2Hz off and the tones vary as much as four cents from equal temperament. This is using 172 for C (the formula is $F={49722x\over2^{19-o}}$ where $x$ is a nine-bit integer and $o$ is a three-bit integer). Setting C to 269 appears to be much closer with up to two cents of variance. < 1340778878 120492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, this way is no longer tuned to A440 so it will not work if you use channels other than the VRC7 (and possibly noise channels as well), or if you require A440 tuning for any other purpose. < 1340779034 984867 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340779196 574944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you do get a just perfect fifth of C and G with the 172 based setting. < 1340780665 98001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about non-western tunings? < 1340780684 960187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it support Indian (as in India) music? < 1340780698 49481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, how could you improve the system to support that? < 1340780746 660567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, update < 1340780779 43244 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780779 455196 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780779 661006 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340780959 697125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose any octave-based tuning could be used with VRC7, although since the frequency must be a nine-bit integer, the range may be limited so they might not be in tune. < 1340780979 798287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have already made PPMCK to support custom tuning) < 1340780986 451737 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781029 126256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, iirc Indian music have quarter-notes < 1340781036 50174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the the details though < 1340781091 128493 :trout!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781091 327379 :stanley!~stanley@82.11.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781092 37471 :stanley!~stanley@82.11.210.70 QUIT :Changing host < 1340781092 273633 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781126 680520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK only supports up to sixteen notes per octave though, due to the way the lookup tables are programmed. < 1340781151 285285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you need to improve that < 1340781252 978413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPMCK only makes .NSF musics and is has a limited ROM space as well as a limited CPU speed < 1340781289 600264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so optimise it < 1340781406 888961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that. < 1340781479 699073 :trout!~root@c-98-234-180-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1340781479 898384 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340781899 552686 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340783117 810297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Go! < 1340785475 410962 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340785524 529265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340787661 876136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340788151 899785 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340788517 432589 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340789761 671144 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340789888 537435 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340795469 489264 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340795496 930538 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340795721 797685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Found new solution for 90 < 1340795756 891137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No surprise there < 1340795761 293927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's 88 + + < 1340795761 736363 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340795965 368483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The object-oriented variant of 88. < 1340796275 588153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340796288 756639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :88++. < 1340796295 33599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340796317 845875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(88++)++ < 1340796341 89858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see whats happening < 1340796357 912267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 succ succ < 1340796573 682390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better just to succ it up. < 1340796578 268968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1340796657 115030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been studying some actual math today < 1340796710 383048 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat kind < 1340796710 929380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea how +[+[+>]<<+]> works :) < 1340796721 148605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it dous. < 1340796724 398120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1340796745 283213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i don't know if i've read the wikipedia page before, but existential quantifiers < 1340796854 666502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E x in X P(x), V x in X (Px), ~E x in X P(x), ~V x in X (Px) < 1340796863 300159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where E is a backwards E < 1340796873 819769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and V is an upside down A < 1340796912 511688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃, ∀ < 1340796977 169633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only see the boxes with numbers.. im not sure how to remedy this < 1340796989 509827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe windows fault < 1340797007 817294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to add 1 to the cell in the middle every 12 cycles < 1340797009 972157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cycles < 1340797026 878177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: whatever font you're using doesn't have those characters < 1340797035 367346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok i see it in this one < 1340797055 759137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the first and last few cycles. < 1340797078 999929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive basically been studying control flow < 1340797097 79546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: If I call the cells L, M and R (for left, middle, right), I think it keeps R == 0 as a sentinel, initializes L = 1, C = 3 and then keeps doing L += 3, C += 1 until L wraps around. (Or, rather, L += 2, C += 1, ***, L += 1 where *** is the point where L's wraparound is noticed.) < 1340797099 290845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a setup to 2 < 1340797108 750813 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i arrived at a page about McCarthy Formalism < 1340797114 317576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: (At least based on how it starts; I haven't checked how it ends.) < 1340797115 482813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it set's the cell to 2 and then adds one every 12 cycles < 1340797126 832864 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340797127 32346 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340797138 530519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-' < 1340797155 635534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is always 0, yes. < 1340797158 936374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The +'s in the outermost loop always apply to the left cell, while the [+>] construct increments both the left and middle cells. < 1340797173 218821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except for at the very start, when the first + applies to the middle cell.) < 1340797233 872929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shit just got real < 1340797361 324233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm on the precipice of being an application developer and a computer scientist < 1340797370 169832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 ,cc uint8_t L = 1, C = 3; while (L) { L += 3; C++; } printf("%d\n", C); < 1340797373 167642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 fizzie: 88 < 1340797377 57368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's what it does, basically. < 1340797389 471511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My previous comment on where the L wraparound is checked was worng.) < 1340797399 41586 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people do both? < 1340797427 318820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1340797435 828002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do now? what have you done? < 1340797446 612164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made trivial apps :P < 1340797480 686269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, theres a reference on this wiki page to Marvin Minsky (1967), Computation: Finite and Infinite Machines < 1340797486 855805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. cool @fizzie < 1340797491 976735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably massively overkill on explanation < 1340797509 938008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i followed it up i would be going down the rabbit hole < 1340797590 6035 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading one paper by marvin minsky does not make you a computer scientist < 1340797608 808788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1340797830 786548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++>+[+++<+>]<.! I think it's pretty much the same as this, except saves characters by cleverly getting the setup done somewhat incidentally, and doing that unbalanced loop in place of +>+, which is of course important in getting the setup done. < 1340797831 523254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1340798129 520812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1340798147 829112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently generating a list of program ranges which I'd like to tackle with a 5k cycle limit. < 1340798174 390355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I meant +<+ in my comment, forgot I had swapped the two cells. < 1340798206 438394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bruteforce every program in a range takes approx 1.5h on an i3 Processor. < 1340798220 557630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one core :) < 1340798248 320125 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340798253 168339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I won't come far on my own :) < 1340798277 962885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 range includes 4294967295 programs < 1340798322 459107 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340798327 26391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them not valid brainfuck programs, of course. < 1340798341 960171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are not interpreted. < 1340798361 299375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 4294967296? I would have expected a 2^N, not 2^N-1. < 1340798381 4045 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340798399 606230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is ULONG_MAX on a 32bit machine. < 1340798414 715091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are ULONG_MAX+1 values in an unsigned long. < 1340798419 151562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 0 to ULONG_MAX. < 1340798436 659860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340798437 653538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340798444 692880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes from 0 to ULONG_MAX < 1340798452 616996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i = 0 to limit) < 1340798452 866463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nitpicking is what I do most of the time.) < 1340798469 512697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where limit is ULONG_MAX < 1340798635 532733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought I publish the program, create a table of ranges in the wiki < 1340798643 423995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people can sign up for them and let them run < 1340798649 590413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and publish the results :D < 1340798932 608493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I shall solve some linear first-order inhom. diff. equations. < 1340800036 15555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the wiki allow to upload text files? < 1340800358 970608 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340800390 21547 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340800861 687942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go. < 1340801074 665553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1340801083 54593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wiki seems not to like subpages? < 1340801183 283653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen subpages in the User: namespace, at least. But that might be a different thing. < 1340801231 791625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think turning on subpages for the main namespace would be a mistake < 1340801235 289435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1340801276 105548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in February 2012, though. < 1340801335 944411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very next line, incidentally: because it just encourages people to put programs on the wiki < 1340801383 566867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Esoteric File Archive, if it was somehow more publicly editable, would I guess be the proper place.) < 1340802465 459645 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340802640 969257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1340802645 170038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have to move it :) < 1340802772 274087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very great sin, but I suppose it's slightly discouraged. Maybe. I don't really have any knowledge on things having to do with the wiki. < 1340802801 495181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck < 1340802862 282069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was having a good night but somehow i triggered depression.. maybe i'm too much of a realist < 1340802987 613238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i have all these cortices in my head designed to process looking at and talking to humans, but days, weeks, years pass just staring at a computer screen < 1340803169 768859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Changing server... < 1340803178 1197 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340803595 719459 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340804020 935272 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340805329 834212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1340805330 396625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340805374 266485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warwick University's accomodation application offers "British Antarctic Territories" as a nationality. < 1340805391 550968 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completeness < 1340805424 537779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it actually /says/ "British Antartic Territories". < 1340805515 171292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I'm from gibraltar? < 1340805531 645706 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's certainly covered, isn't it? < 1340805537 601880 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it also has 'England' as a nationality. < 1340805545 19450 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that oil platform that gained independence? < 1340805548 863120 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it has Gibraltarian. < 1340805569 745892 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the name of it, sorry, but it was something funny < 1340805570 654979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean Sealand, it has next to no formal recognition and in any case was a fort, not an oil platform. < 1340805583 21632 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for correcting me < 1340805589 553551 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sealand is not on? < 1340805594 518836 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the Basque nationality? < 1340805610 324459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1340805626 457576 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one could be fun, since they're fighting for recognition since about when the stonehenge was new < 1340805694 285188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says Basque nationalism originated in the 19th century,. < 1340805718 208477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340805721 164991 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... has Falkland Islander. < 1340805771 391473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antartic... nice < 1340805807 164802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of typos, I once had to put [sic] in a reference list (In my thesis). The paper was from an "Internatonal Conference" < 1340805817 566225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/In/in/ < 1340805821 844403 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop correcting neutrino2000, that's not very polite. < 1340805831 59673 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: given that the earth is only 4000 years old i'd say that's when the stonehenge was built < 1340805856 665064 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340805869 90409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is blom?? also who is neutrino2000 i guess < 1340805885 620114 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: guess. < 1340805927 290953 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am blom entirely by accident < 1340805933 182064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340805961 807683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blom, oklopol? < 1340805971 416700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any notable absences other than elliott, and you don't sound like elliott; oerjan's not here but I don't think he's normally on at this time? < 1340805983 446072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, .fi host. < 1340805985 715412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, according to whois this guy is from .fi < 1340805986 462612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340805987 403621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko then? < 1340805989 693008 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1340805995 631346 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1340806003 406136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT NOTABLE HUH < 1340806011 600349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think you are notable < 1340806016 187079 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1340806021 56257 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is notable ^^
< 1340806024 726408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't let that mean Phantom_Hoover make you sad! < 1340806036 482319 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well notable as in your absence is presently noteworthy. < 1340806048 878934 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340806056 567019 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite random nowadays < 1340806058 879912 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH GOING ON < 1340806113 243211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK wow, the aforementioned citizenship selection? Doesn't include "United States". < 1340806117 677926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "US". < 1340806125 516115 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even "America", and that was scraping the barrel. < 1340806133 259635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait! < 1340806138 598234 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does have "American". < 1340806857 53907 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340806862 887170 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340806975 419643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck < 1340807291 276297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a problem that when you pick a range in the middle there is no way to know shortest previous solutions. < 1340807313 454005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's by design that way. < 1340807338 538532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a problem though, you just have to filter them out when somebody in a lower range also found a solution for the same number. < 1340808265 89532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.space.com/images/i/4460/original/Apollo-11-Immigration-02.jpg "Departure from: MOON" < 1340808438 962810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the law really consider the moon a different country? < 1340808443 115447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats silly < 1340808451 575022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is american land < 1340808484 414574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article that accompanied the image said they were having one of those "joke" things. < 1340808517 286786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1340808546 734318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit vague to say just "MOON" when what is asked is "Place and Country". That's about 38 million square kilometres. < 1340808625 237298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so big. in the middle of the night when it's full, i can cover it with my thumb, arm extended < 1340808652 721964 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any other condition on board which may lead to the spread of disease: TO BE DETERMINED" < 1340808666 946622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they *did* sit in a quarantine for some weeks. < 1340808673 208735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340808674 752705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all those MOON GERMS. < 1340808678 257961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't wanna get moonpox < 1340808845 400046 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a brainfuck derivative with distributed message-passing < 1340808849 403359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :called clusterfuck < 1340808895 353997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there should be a brainfick derivative" is the objectively best initial substring a sentence can have. < 1340808909 755492 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340809018 150433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's new newsgroup at the local Usenet server: alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now. (The client reports all new groups.) < 1340812837 175043 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340814176 304944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Your C2BF online yet? < 1340814492 784973 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340814565 429503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is egobot umlboxed yet? < 1340814608 636808 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you have an hg bundle for bfjoust to use the new scoring system yet? < 1340814665 966456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i dont know how. anyway, it only needs to change like four files, and they are all in that archive i gave you. < 1340814678 566687 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you gave me an archive??? < 1340814687 72604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, hg can't make sure you have clapack installed can it? < 1340814688 671802 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we just talked about how to send it and then I never got an actual link. < 1340814726 679058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh nope, definitely gave you a link sometime last weekish < 1340814738 792510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have @tell'd it? < 1340814762 832533 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340814763 560250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 5d 14h 48m 56s ago: http://www.filedropper.com/newbfjousttar and ask about the bug in gearlance < 1340814766 159379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1340814770 107953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED < 1340814803 405138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said something to the channel just moment after i sent that as i recall < 1340814810 590655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd assumed you'd seen it < 1340814820 488870 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about how that link seems dead >_> < 1340814838 303265 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I no longer understand my new esolang < 1340814846 40357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they delete files if no one downloads them :P < 1340814868 773008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll reupload in a minute < 1340815023 916537 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, I havn't been able to access my computer since last saturday < 1340815102 603813 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 PART :#esoteric < 1340815113 564576 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340817554 687496 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Do you have a github account, so I can at least point the guy there and say "it should appear here sometime" X-D < 1340817568 962586 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340817765 758039 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340817833 600735 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340817877 814901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340818115 484688 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340818148 56638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340818508 172745 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes. JuEeHa < 1340818629 552448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340818929 938356 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340819359 512093 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340819758 509311 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340819794 477394 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.184.27 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340820945 743974 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow *squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak* < 1340820946 736138 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02*03s04q05u06e07a08k09s02q03u04e05a06k07s08q09u02e03a04k05s06q07u08e09a02k03s04q05u06e07a08k09s02q03u04e05a06k07s08q09u02e03a04k05s06q07u08e09a02k03* < 1340821076 524122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340821093 687397 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340821168 637033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks better if each color is repeated for 2 chars before switching < 1340821182 582994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: get on that, will you? < 1340821183 604100 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i used to have some ostensible reason for visiting somewhere. " i'm giving you an illusionary effect of adding 2 to t < 1340821693 303765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ^rainbow ^rainbow < 1340821694 168490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02^03r04a05i06n07b08o09w02 03^04r05a06i07n08b09o02w < 1340821724 104881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf_textgen ^rainbow < 1340821733 904312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it < 1340821739 120074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen ^rainbow < 1340821754 631344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340821755 79530 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340821761 202949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ^rainbow < 1340821764 903702 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93 +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. [505] < 1340821778 699500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. < 1340821779 686572 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02^03b04f05 06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06+07+08+09+02+03[04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06>07+08>09<02<03<04<05-06]07>08+09+02+03.04>05 ... < 1340821796 393492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow !bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. < 1340821797 382684 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02!03b04f05 06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06+07+08+09+02+03[04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04>05+06+07+08+09+02+03+04+05+06>07+08>09<02<03<04<05-06]07>08+09+02+03.04>05 ... < 1340821851 592164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :��ら�る… < 1340822006 987319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ^rainbow hello < 1340822008 996974 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​147 ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. [981] < 1340822018 928260 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. < 1340822020 616414 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^rainbow hello < 1340822038 845368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guesss the bots are protected against triggering each other < 1340822045 671490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a nick blacklist < 1340822128 459375 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feel < 1340822128 861748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340822137 897719 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your VPS provider gives you a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP < 1340822142 952719 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to host a Minecraft server < 1340822146 283449 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your players run Hamachi. < 1340822156 353815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1340822165 712561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get better players < 1340822208 927723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fungot has an ignore list, some (Gregor-bots?) also add a zero-width space in front of output so it doesn't trigger commands. < 1340822209 883263 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afk for a while) < 1340822251 355561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's a clever trick < 1340822276 787160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :© 2011 Gregor Richards, all rights reserved < 1340822287 431843 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340822292 863358 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only adds it when the first character doesn't match [a-zA-Z0-9], btw. < 1340822293 62621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: US patent #? < 1340822304 704317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even fancier. < 1340822428 99808 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a DNS hack to add a fallback IP address? < 1340822434 886281 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we have a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP :< < 1340822568 362884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no Hamachi expert, but I've a feeling that you're just SOL no matter what DNS trickery you do, since it sounds likely Hamachi eats all 5/8 routing, and that's the IP your user eventually needs to communicate with. < 1340822736 844919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A manual single-IP route for your IP (with the default gateway) sounds possibly worky, but hard to configure, and would need to be done by the affected user. < 1340823021 552257 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1340823035 439046 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is, most European VPS providers are ONLY offering 5.0.0.0/8 now < 1340823043 124141 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LogMeIn will probably not bother fixing it < 1340823056 194365 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially LogeMeIn will blame it on my provider and my provider will blame it on LogMeIn < 1340823057 279064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The new #haskell, eh? < 1340823064 9918 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy who has a dedi which hosts my VPS doesn't want to deal with tech supportr < 1340823121 823602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823191 396306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LogMeIn can blame providers until they turn blue, doesn't make their address land grab any more legitimate. < 1340823464 335637 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do I do? < 1340823482 743037 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an early representative of the newly emerging group of Screwed IP Owners < 1340823496 55077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823545 658948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there reserved ranges they could've grabbed so long as they obviously don't care about rules X_X < 1340823557 450933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, take some IPs from IBM :) < 1340823575 439276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your options are somewhat limited to noisy complaining. Though there's a couple of those on the LogMeIn community forums already, and it doesn't seem to help. < 1340823620 437553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the usual private IP blocks, but they didn't want conflicts with people's LANs. (I guess conflicts with the Internet are better.) < 1340823633 408898 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use 10.128.0.0/9? < 1340823636 857853 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Really? < 1340823649 930230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might. < 1340823673 331051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it's just below 128. But it was an arbitrarily chosen byte. < 1340823682 455455 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :127? < 1340823683 55742 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340823699 508873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's below 128 because it's the ASCII 'f' for 'fizzie'. < 1340823745 633271 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1340823773 421155 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess stophamachi.org time? < 1340823782 61756 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340823785 709185 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1340823788 972960 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target won't even get there. < 1340823897 907721 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. Tommi Paalanen's last name ends with "la" *and* "nen". < 1340823965 765289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: shocking! < 1340823968 253687 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "paa" doesn't seem to be a word. Maybe it's supposed to be Päälänen. < 1340824006 754370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moilanen is a more common surname (8571 current owners) and also does. < 1340824036 579331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(589 for Paalanen.) < 1340824068 599890 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lifetime goal is to move to Finland and register cka.fi. < 1340824309 926754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a really pathetic goal. < 1340824323 583485 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite hobby is placing objects on top of cars. < 1340824332 223216 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY lifetime goal is to figure out who bought libc.so, find him, and "convince" him to sell it to me on the cheap. < 1340824365 734385 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that kind of thing public information? < 1340824384 689993 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also by 'on the cheap' I presume you mean like $10,000. < 1340824399 273989 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so, the domain name. < 1340824413 105873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you weren't there? < 1340824423 282800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor had money set aside and everything. < 1340824434 294037 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of money, despite what he claims. < 1340824460 216748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The registrar has one of those "domain privacy" systems, so technically the owner is the registrar, and they're on file. < 1340824703 918880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just start a lawsuit against a John Doe, ask for discovery against the registrar, and subpoena them. Or something like that. (If it works for people making money out of copyright lawsuit threat settlements...) < 1340824714 156458 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340824724 517549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only tiny minor issue is that nothing they've done is even borderline illegal ;) < 1340824764 924491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: try the link again < 1340824816 965481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the courts certainly don't check that, or expect evidence. They always drop the suits after they've subpoenaed the IP -> name, address mappings out of the ISPs in question. < 1340824822 358634 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Got it. < 1340824956 595126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Hamachi and reserved ranges, there's still that whole 240/4 block (that's like 16 /8s) that's reserved for future extensions. But maybe they were worried there'd be technical issues there. < 1340824987 639550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340825139 38312 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340825586 536451 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technical issues involved in assigning the 240 block? < 1340826099 559116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technical issues involved in just starting to use it. I suppose some sanity checks might barf at such addresses. < 1340826144 165452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane sanity checks, the best kind < 1340826170 68795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the 5/8 addresses are perfectly kosher. (They just belong to someone else.) < 1340826196 893612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could those someone else sue them? < 1340826276 905323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least not completely impossible. Interfering with their legitimate business and whatnot. But I'm not a lawyer. < 1340826318 242609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one forum posting where the author said he'd received a reply from LogMeIn that they're working on a "fix", but no details or ETA. < 1340826367 338080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "fix" might be just to fall-back to public internet for non-existing Hamachi IPs, and then hoping there won't be conflicts. < 1340826535 852287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340826703 826095 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340826720 312030 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues stalking kmc.
< 1340826726 723156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1340826730 107992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, prepare for incoming prepromorphisms < 1340826746 28623 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-16-244.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340826769 396900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just got back from an open day at Oxford < 1340826820 728955 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :while guilty of packaging up the only libraries for manipulating prepromorphisms, i don't actually like or use them ;) < 1340826861 695441 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i'd be more likely to ramble on about generalized de bruijn indices and locally nameless syntax tree representations < 1340826877 875181 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess the effect on the audience would be largely indistinguishable < 1340826897 868989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just until you manage to combine them... < 1340826931 749566 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i _do_ have catamorphisms for tearing down such generalized de bruijn indices, just i've never bothered to build a version of a prepro or postpromorphism ;) < 1340826962 886289 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can appeal to neal ghani's "initial algebra semantics are enough" to work with them even though the ADT isn't uniform < 1340826972 836541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While guilty of packaging up the only library for manipulating family trees, I really love and try to make them :) < 1340826980 87831 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1340826990 797977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Their "fix" might be just to fall-back to public internet for non-existing Hamachi IPs, and then hoping there won't be conflicts. <-- why don't they just switch to a different range? < 1340827007 320231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 10.something < 1340827021 258830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think your family fits into a tree, someone has been hiding secrets from you < 1340827022 215413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need a whole /8 for a VPN, that is kind of silly < 1340827039 249748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /16 seems reasonable to me. < 1340827045 132962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a /20 perhaps < 1340827082 606914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is no need to conform to the old class sizes after all) < 1340827092 787036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they could go ipv6 < 1340827094 826965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AIUI, their "VPN" is a global thing. You're supposed to be able to connect to other Hamachi hosts, and the addresses are globally unique. (But I might be wrong.) < 1340827095 558573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hedwardk! < 1340827101 706242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340827105 302039 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1340827110 707221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note, the signature of these has changed, because it was insufficiently general, [...]" < 1340827115 877272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems like a pointless VPN then. Since it takes the P out of VPN < 1340827131 922600 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a quote of me from somewhere? =) < 1340827145 50509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/5058725/1088108 < 1340827158 205752 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340827191 783656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's transparently encryptamated and stuffs, plus handles NAT traversal. And it might have some sort of smaller networks. I really only know what I've gleaned from random reading. < 1340827203 959724 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to wander around and mingle, brb < 1340827204 462082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1340827207 155527 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340827211 693137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the non-tree-iness of family trees is why nobody likes implementing them < 1340827225 153547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, their official reason for not going with 10/8 is that too many people have LANs in there. < 1340827231 220707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_, you had the issue right? Why not switch to a different VPN solution, such as OpenVPN? < 1340827251 297028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was his users. < 1340827261 129921 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal - no < 1340827263 242367 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my users did < 1340827265 576424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they just need to install openvpn as well < 1340827266 974787 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have to use VPN < 1340827275 90192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_, for minecraft? come on < 1340827282 986967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no need for NAT traversal there < 1340827285 602036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little known secret that monogamy was invented by really angry genealogists to simplify things < 1340827347 451213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Presumably they need it for other things. Whatever it's good for. And you can't really unilaterally switch VPN solutions, the other end needs to cooperate. < 1340827432 472267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, since hamachi is broken (not following IANA assignments) I don't see why any self-respecting server admin would support it < 1340827444 345722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamachi has some sort of zero-conf dealie, and doesn't (AIUI, again) need any participant to have a clearly defined server role. < 1340827469 637376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might b "slightly" difficult to convince all your friends to switch to OpenVPN or whatever. < 1340827482 892196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, he has a server (VPS I think he said?), he can provide the such a server role < 1340827530 295885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway configuring OpenVPN is easy enough. By far easier than setting up IPsec for example. < 1340827591 620308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another trivially easy option would be ssh tunneling btw < 1340827615 320477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is quite easy to create limited accounts) < 1340827657 325748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If he just has user X who uses Hamachi to do stuffs with the user's friends A, B and C who otherwise won't have anything to do with him, I doubt (a) he's be interested in doing VPN for them, and (b) A, B, C switching to some random dude's VPN mess. < 1340827663 524142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway since he can't provide hamachi he might just as well provide openvpn as an option if they are that interested in his server < 1340827710 458676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, if they only happen to need hamachi for other stuff (rather than his server) and that thus collides that would be easy to solve < 1340827727 328107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something like ip route dev eth0 I /think/ < 1340827739 590764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, can anyone recommend a Scala tutorial? < 1340827750 287801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the routing table works by most specific first, right? < 1340827808 590668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would need the gateway address, not just "dev eth0", and that's often dynamic. Also, from general statistics random users are nontechnical Windows users. (I did suggest a single-IP route.) < 1340827824 201655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is ip route add to eth0 (or wlan0 or whatever your non-hamachi thingy is) < 1340827830 812047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, okay true < 1340827842 94830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just look at your default route to figure out what the gateway is < 1340827894 417208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I'm pretty sure you can add custom routes under windows from within the adapter properties < 1340827913 764134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just provide a screenshot guide < 1340827928 92094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can follow those < 1340827967 115946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I'd just complain. It's likely they'll invent *some* kind of terrible workaround sooner or later. < 1340827974 641161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340828011 670891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option: write a tiny windows program that does this for the user. Very simple to use: just double click and okay the UAC warning < 1340828053 312778 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340828103 302473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound too simple to write, though, even assuming it's okey just to support from XP to 7. < 1340828124 687025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you would need to read some API docs sure < 1340828136 32405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows APIs aren't always the most pleasant. < 1340828144 153999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if things like AICCU manages to mess around with such things... < 1340828167 89850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that only messes with ipv6 routing, but the process should be similar) < 1340828200 685259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, what APIs do commands like ip route use under linux... < 1340828202 942735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1340828210 276927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netlink. < 1340828216 989209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly horrible. < 1340828226 749684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also really badly documented. < 1340828230 3487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1340828246 107667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1340828260 20000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what did they use to do? iirc netlink was added during 2.6? < 1340828269 970243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also all kinds of outdated ioctl-based duplicate ways of doing some of the same things, that ipconfig/route use. < 1340828292 763084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm under the impression iproute is fully (rt)netlink-based. < 1340828311 752829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the old route command doesn't use netlink indeed < 1340828324 11340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipconfig? < 1340828326 834014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ifconfig? < 1340828330 249679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifconfig, yes. < 1340828335 290943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipconfig is windows < 1340828341 481903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1340828356 554800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ifconfig is much nicer if you just want to check ip and mac and what not for your network adapters < 1340828374 500940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'ip' tool itself is kind of awkward if you go to esoteric enough things. < 1340828381 333905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340828401 344188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's undocumented stuffs and such. < 1340828404 225981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean stuff like bonding? < 1340828410 773105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is undocumented things? Really? < 1340828414 116343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1340828483 995796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't see the point of netlink. Why a special socket type just to configure networking? Using ioctls seems so much cleaner for this < 1340828544 125080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 neighbour-discovery proxy stuff is/was quite a mess. The netlink API lets you add stuff, but there's no way to list what you've added, for example. < 1340828560 878133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :neighbour-discovery proxy stuff? huh? < 1340828562 433436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1340828586 126932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something rather uncommon. It's like proxy-ARP but for IPv6. < 1340828595 469859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what proxy-ARP is < 1340828642 596110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, just read a bit on wikipedia about it < 1340828656 203439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely familiar < 1340828677 682136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when you configure one box to say "hey, I'm here" for ARP requests to boxes "behind" it, because the other end is not interested in configuring routing rules, just route a /X to the network that your proxy-ARP box is connected to. < 1340828681 121398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, this seems open to security issues < 1340828750 297851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cleaner way would of course be if they'd just route some a/b with your box as the gateway, so that you could then just forward.) < 1340828762 30048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1340828826 136718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm mobile ip uses it? < 1340828832 124899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who uses mobile ip... < 1340828845 421230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's a RFC so it's a respectable technique. :p < 1340828875 434864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the security issues seem rampant with it though < 1340828888 558181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use this on a normal network for DoS easily < 1340828947 949778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really a *proxy*-ARP security issue, just an ARP one. < 1340828991 18981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, true < 1340829000 570774 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340829031 92808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suddenly left wondering how many working, actively used IPX networks there are around. < 1340829049 657855 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear Dr [oklopol], Thank you very much for reviewing the manuscript entitled [stuff]. Following your advice this paper has been rejected." thanks, totally wanted to know :D < 1340829078 613671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only real secure way is to statically configure the ARP cache in your switch and then make it filter ARP messages? < 1340829087 63941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1340829098 478721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or just use end-to-end IPsec with authentication. < 1340829111 407716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'll notice pretenders. < 1340829119 861936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could still cause DoS in a switch < 1340829121 181584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Are you actually a Dr. oklopol? < 1340829161 430426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes. But you could also connect the switch port to 230V AC and cause a DoS issue. < 1340829190 999781 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340829276 115141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's certain amount of trust involved in an Ethernet network. I ecpect you could also collide everything (or selected packets if you're real fast) to stop traffic. < 1340829300 565529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"certain amount" < 1340829335 150487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but imagine you run a data center, one attack is possible if any of your customer's servers are compromised. The other requires physical access < 1340829344 183068 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no. < 1340829350 723179 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm a loser < 1340829381 237654 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess they just assume the referees are usually phds or something, and don't bother to personalize < 1340829423 38598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you can't collide a switched network as far as I know? And there is full duplex to the switch. You could overload it (unless there was QoS of course), but not collide. < 1340829425 83312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's also polite to do the mistakes only upwards. I've gotten some "Prof. [fizzie]" emails. < 1340829433 857541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340829450 821678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, an ARP attack seems like a larger issue than the ones you suggested < 1340829625 520395 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear all powerful divine ruler of heavens [recipient] < 1340829670 341520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think managed switches do mitigate some ARP problems. But I'm no networkist. And it probably depends on the competence of the data centre staff. < 1340829686 198390 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you ever gotten "Free Publication Invitation"s? < 1340829688 453173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340829695 214921 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got one some weeks back < 1340829723 634225 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence < 1340829725 889549 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340829743 420617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What does one do? < 1340829745 501729 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on our paper on CA which had nothing to do with computation < 1340829773 290097 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't understand the quesiton < 1340829777 249522 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*question < 1340829797 882165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, managed switches can be kind of crazy sometimes. When I did my bachelor thesis I needed to get a phone on a guest net communicating with a server on the secure network of that company. The network guys spent hours to try to get it to work with various routing in their top router and what not, only to find that some previous network admin had setup some filters in the access point itself. I saw h < 1340829798 81176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sitting in some crazy Cisco setup program < 1340829805 639946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked really complicated < 1340829811 590969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was for a switch < 1340829817 66066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the router one looked even worse < 1340829903 57697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, so it's like "we'd like to publish this paper"? < 1340829904 838238 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was just wondering if it's a thing or if it's the weirdest spam ever < 1340829913 113565 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what did you think < 1340829919 960809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340829921 197873 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340829923 410916 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1340829933 422817 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd like to publish some new paper of yours. < 1340829947 822409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we really liked this paper of yours which has nothing to do with our journal < 1340829987 435013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Right, *that* is what I thought. It sounds reasonably legitimate, as long as they're not offering a free pass through peer review too. < 1340829990 814 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was in a publication many of whose articles could certainly go to the free publication offering journal) < 1340830017 108334 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your paper will be published with no charge if accepted. < 1340830056 513766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no charge? Why do they even have to point that out... < 1340830061 354115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the offer stands for 3 more days. < 1340830072 406239 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, journals usually cost something to publish in < 1340830082 678592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? really? huh < 1340830095 504176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, peer review is so hard to do. < 1340830108 247352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does involve some work certainly... < 1340830117 402489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not *always*. I don't know how it is on the math side, though. < 1340830119 341793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least to do it properly) < 1340830131 313012 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm constantly doing peer review free of charge < 1340830139 906564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1340830150 998565 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dunno where the costs come really < 1340830175 390504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE journals generally, AFAIK, only charge if you have too many pages. < 1340830178 670154 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have zero journal publications, so i know rather little < 1340830192 182984 :cheater_!~cheater@p50897809.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340830196 414059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what expenses does a journal have? You need like a web site, an editor. There are printing costs unless it is an online publication I guess < 1340830213 841315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscription costs should cover that, surely? < 1340830222 151658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1340830250 477656 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities subscribe to everything in the world < 1340830258 49018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they tend to do that < 1340830258 696766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Given how big the subscription costs are, you'd *think* so. But there's some work in running the review stuff even if the actual reviewers are free. < 1340830270 261987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the thing I will miss most from university is the IEEE xplore access < 1340830276 265590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to manage without that! < 1340830300 921925 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would suck < 1340830399 378096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE "computing library" package ("core journals" + limited downloads to "key articles" from Xplore) is only $21995/year, you could buy that. < 1340830408 725188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1340830411 116425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much? < 1340830423 85771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is insane < 1340830438 845407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much profit IEEE has on that < 1340830447 54493 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit :D < 1340830468 984050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$49795 for the "all-society periodicals package". < 1340830471 938863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I need to write a script to dump everything I can or so < 1340830487 698482 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah was just thinking that < 1340830490 443558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably against the access terms. < 1340830494 209850 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case i get fired < 1340830495 772350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340830514 741852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i will, i haven't proved anything this week. < 1340830522 223765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340830525 74427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to guesstimate how much the unlimited-period archive access is. < 1340830547 131563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$64495 for online access to all IEEE conference proceedings. < 1340830574 882067 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does IEEE cover? is that like, all the boring CS? < 1340830587 105443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1340830595 846556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ACM? < 1340830598 383814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also other engineering. < 1340830604 896760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwww < 1340830613 204867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does ACM cost? < 1340830623 529930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used IEEE way more than ACM though < 1340830652 558968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ACM had somewhat more reasonable fees for a single person. For an institution, it's probably something absurd. < 1340830673 315431 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow you can put your articles on your own page even if you publish them, at least with most publishers < 1340830686 670328 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't get why anyone wouldn't < 1340830706 191931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With IEEE you sort-of can, with some restrictions. < 1340830745 125680 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the springer copyright form i always have to sign at least lets you do that (it's always a slightly different form for some reason) < 1340830745 361896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what restrictions? < 1340830756 334662 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but with what seems to be the same data) < 1340830769 246741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten the details. At least you have to tell them about it. < 1340830782 468397 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put my articles up as such and hope i don't get in trouble. < 1340830783 877765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, telling them about it seems reasonable < 1340830790 944062 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should change the name or something < 1340830822 591388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE copyright assignment form is an actual copyright assignment; with some of the others, you just grant them a non-exclusive license. < 1340830838 326048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340830844 983786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't want to publish there then < 1340830863 281308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the latter case you can obvsly put them wherever. < 1340830883 333827 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talked to my supervisor about the springer copyright and he was like huh, you actually read that? < 1340830885 669393 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340830903 515563 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340830910 49068 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for springer, you can't publish elsewhere for a year < 1340830911 709843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway how does that work internationally, iirc you can't sign away copyright in Swedish law (you can sign away the monetary rights, but not the artistic or intellectual rights) < 1340830917 70948 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it assigns copyright < 1340830938 794961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It could also be an exclusive sort of license contract. < 1340830967 252548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have zero idea about the actual legalities. But that's what their form says, anyway. < 1340830972 433162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340830986 987291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=springer%20copyright&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.springer.com%2Fcda%2Fcontent%2Fdocument%2Fcda_downloaddocument%2Fcopyrightlncs.pdf%3FSGWID%3D0-0-45-154182-0&ei=7XTrT_-ROYfasgaSuaieBg&usg=AFQjCNGIqEDAa4JGXh7hI6AzPvkShTLv1w < 1340830991 846022 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to the pdf < 1340830995 857254 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pretty. < 1340831004 202160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why through google? why not direct? < 1340831013 546906 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340831022 389457 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clicking on that downloaded that so it was faster like this < 1340831045 673181 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never remember google has all my search history and the color of my underpants encoded in the url < 1340831101 865970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some Helsinki University library budget mentions they spent one million euros for an "Elsevier package", and about two million in the first half of the year for journal subscriptions and e-books. < 1340831112 9596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I wonder if there is a web site that allows you to easily extract what is known of the structure of that < 1340831124 185810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a random meeting memo so it's a bit vague.) < 1340831133 61227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I have no idea what the ei=7XTrT_-ROYfasgaSuaieBg bit means for example < 1340831137 164542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1340831140 577614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the q= is obviously the search term < 1340831154 531796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Elsevier? < 1340831188 759202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ebooks? < 1340831196 5943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big publishing company. < 1340831203 113145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of journals. < 1340831204 239796 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil one < 1340831235 310351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil-seer < 1340831285 437205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ACM digital library is $2000 to $17462 for an academic institution, depending on your "Tier". (Basically, amount of usage.) < 1340831289 669130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1340831304 407173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :these numbers are so crazy < 1340831357 249760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually I have a (second-author) paper in an Elsevier journal that just two weeks ago got the final acceptance letter. < 1340831371 244960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They asked some bizarre questions. < 1340831376 265031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1340831508 729229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/cOhM -- nothing too strange, but that's a pretty random list. < 1340831535 574754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if Arthritis Research UK < 1340831544 620388 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :us government is on springers thing too < 1340831547 217045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :funds a lot of speech recognition work. < 1340831574 282745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the British Heart Foundation. < 1340831597 773092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that specific list I wonder < 1340831629 346505 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the last part if very weird < 1340831644 559752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what "Telethon Italy" is... I can only find Italian pages when googling < 1340831774 927660 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340831788 608816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is up with the line breaks and the leading + in that paste btw? < 1340831814 5779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Email client line-wrap indicator. < 1340831819 5659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340831852 101095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather dumb line wrapping, doesn't even handle the indentation correctly < 1340831879 609391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it should. < 1340831916 436497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1340831963 361295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the android youtube app seems to be devoid of the usual youtube ads. How surprising < 1340831966 406523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like e.g. Emacs would add empty space at start of continuation lines even if the lines were indented, either. < 1340832179 370640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340832192 165526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, LaTeX would though < 1340832322 345311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's different kind of line wrapping. This was just from edge of terminal, with a continuation line indicator. < 1340832361 317302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps mutt has some actual wrap-to-specified-width functionality too, not sure. < 1340832943 482590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, should I try to learn Java, or should I go back to Python? < 1340832947 41108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DECIDE < 1340832957 714853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why those two languages? < 1340832968 921128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not something like x86 asm or haskell? < 1340832977 344340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Haskell at the moment < 1340832986 542342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so x86 asm it is then < 1340832987 810167 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the man said an imperative language would help < 1340832993 1301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what man? < 1340833012 19238 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/track?HTMLVersion=5.0&loc=xx-XX&trackNums=1Z317F350356043847&track.y=10l < 1340833014 945395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man at the Oxford University Open Day in the Computer Science section < 1340833017 43905 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they just give my package to hookers now. < 1340833027 712518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, err, they would help with what? < 1340833044 390703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First year, there's a module of Scala < 1340833051 897237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is only useful because it is faster than python and runs on many platforms. Such as Android < 1340833057 942363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the man wanted to teach everyone Scala < 1340833083 86063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he said Java and/or Python are good background < 1340833096 821199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually all Java programming I have done has either been for android, or server and desktop software to complement those android programs < 1340833122 741196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1340833547 9627 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, best plan: learn Scala. < 1340833550 406110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: x86 asm is certainly very imperative, FWIW. < 1340833556 721372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that's the long term plan < 1340833572 920648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short term plan is to avoid Scala as much at possible < 1340833598 956903 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that's more blow-y up launch all the missiles than C! < 1340833614 733020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medium-term plan is to paradoxically both learn *and* avoid Scala. < 1340833690 537117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's alwaysthe coin-flip solution. < 1340833713 754107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, medium term plan is to learn enough about the emperors from Tiberius to Domitian such that I don't regret my option choices < 1340833752 98139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option choices for what? < 1340833773 816966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A levels < 1340833787 297990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in Scotland so you call them silly things like "Highers" < 1340833816 536955 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I forget, are you in your last year of school now or not. < 1340833821 439940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highlanders. There can be only one (choice). < 1340833823 337754 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT OF < 1340833825 504962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Highers ~ AS-levels. < 1340833834 562496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will be certainly in September < 1340833838 639454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN HIGHERS < 1340833847 177382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there ASS levels, too? < 1340833865 989751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it goes AS to A2 for some stupid reason < 1340833888 634360 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced Highers are A2 but better. < 1340834016 811182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Python is available on Mac OS X /and/ Unix systems! < 1340834018 812774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of letter code for foreign languages depending on how early you started them. I think I had A1 Swedish, A2 English and B2 German. < 1340834034 201360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also windows < 1340834043 625423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, besides the point < 1340834043 891913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and java is available on that and many more platforms < 1340834046 84717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FreeBSD! < 1340834048 172426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as J2ME < 1340834050 471486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Solaris! < 1340834051 454332 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Linux! < 1340834059 795138 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ruined it :) < 1340834061 253507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1340834064 683732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Java is available only on the Atari 5200, I think. < 1340834068 265188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah xkcd is right < 1340834070 365403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaah < 1340834071 950060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaah < 1340834077 536499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340834078 533766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340834088 820827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smileys and parentheses < 1340834095 910982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1340834119 51589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember such an xkcd < 1340834121 269671 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awkward to fit smilies at the end of parenthetical statements. < 1340834125 648142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/541/ < 1340834126 952923 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was after it went to shit. < 1340834129 449037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340834132 268791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1340834138 601432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is something like :D or :P < 1340834159 838042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P) can look like a malformed nose too. < 1340834176 668479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how about this :C) < 1340834182 348650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a nose, dammit < 1340834189 978151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how about C:) < 1340834195 135627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPSIDE DOWN AAARGH < 1340834217 1237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what about -_- style smilies < 1340834221 599863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-rotated that is < 1340834231 126867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty good ^_^) < 1340834282 41284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't know a non-rotated equivalent to ":)" though < 1340834481 839502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on his birthday hat <:)
< 1340834624 353894 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're like 60 now? < 1340834637 763219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, closer. < 1340834645 440759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy oerjan++ ! < 1340834655 403694 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340834666 541296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't worry, soon you'll be getting farther and farther from 60 every birthday. < 1340834683 466951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"soon". < 1340834704 573523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1340834760 94532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: In ^_^) the paren looks like some sort of an ear thing. < 1340834769 823445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1340834778 437947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have you done, Randall < 1340834783 178721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! < 1340834815 375020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doomed our civilization, that's what < 1340834846 354087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is a phone < 1340834849 613788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: When it's chri... I mean, year-end-holiday-time, you can just concatenate an asterisk to get a thematically appropriate *<:) hat. < 1340834849 811885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ) that is < 1340834867 220588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And ^_^D is a N-gage owner. < 1340835076 356795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1340835600 73384 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.78 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340835690 16474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1340836241 433782 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1340837302 178493 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1340837306 970337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340837835 909928 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340837847 757398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340838125 268853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, night too < 1340838368 693952 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340838389 913663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340838706 971241 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340838749 351390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>+)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*15>>(>--[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340838771 720260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot? < 1340838784 277662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods EgoBot
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< 1340838919 229677 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340838945 960510 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340838966 214458 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340839031 891696 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340839159 487455 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340839208 925041 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D633.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340839355 876701 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340839423 261441 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340839588 295454 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1340841807 363041 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340842156 65744 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340843930 714693 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340844502 806483 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340844996 738333 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340844998 631664 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-151.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340845662 483114 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340846473 606998 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1340846626 752477 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. I'm looking for a DBMS where I can easily browse through tables, click things in order to insert new rows, and display data in various graphical ways. < 1340846677 863154 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340846678 725486 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :As nice as SQL is, if I want to view an entire table, I do not want to type "SELECT * FROM mytable" and browse through the output on my terminal. < 1340846745 417803 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :As barfworthy as Microsoft is, Microsoft Access does pretty much everything I want, except be free. < 1340846776 856090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :phpMyAdmin does most of that < 1340846798 396963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if people still use that < 1340846802 463530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used it in years < 1340846835 405366 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried phpMyAdmin, and it's pretty nice, but I'd like to have something self-contained. < 1340846905 482851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can buy books on the subject < 1340846963 347566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/ here's some thingy < 1340846991 235561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_database_tools anyd this list < 1340847160 22772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1340847160 340573 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1340847169 271812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen help < 1340847171 758173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​56 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.---.+++++++.++++.>++. [303] < 1340847208 100136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cmon egobot, you can do better than that < 1340847258 167948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+<<-]>.---.+++++++.++++.>++. < 1340847258 875537 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1340847270 957667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom egobot. four characters shorter! < 1340847591 834900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust :( + < 1340847776 402988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor bfjoust is broke. maybe my attempted replacement for the bash script is broke? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO FIX IT GREGOR D: < 1340847776 638430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340848597 869759 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads Navicat.
< 1340848631 40407 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not free, but it looks fancy. < 1340848770 420189 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340848775 918870 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340849474 152191 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340849891 613270 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340849895 130820 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340849928 112362 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340850118 925454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340850277 940923 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fallen and I can't get up. < 1340850293 849168 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340850325 762021 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340850597 876404 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340850632 878909 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340850853 721085 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65.128.161.243 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340850908 672019 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340850958 811833 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1340852806 897259 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340853672 802582 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDream] < 1340853678 717979 :MDream]!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDream < 1340854173 788532 :FoREALien!~FoREALien@c-98-225-49-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340856210 54272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magsbot has some database functionality, and it's free < 1340856211 946205 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340856229 677366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's hardly intended for database manipulation, it ... can... on Windows < 1340856248 401370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it likes Comic Sans for stuff < 1340856263 601528 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340856263 826587 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340856264 22969 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340856565 630374 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1340856598 610783 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340856599 217304 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340856968 630756 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340857291 298693 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340857338 427139 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340857338 427202 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1340857697 340073 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1340857697 575434 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340859615 144175 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340859618 934288 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340859831 297052 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-131-208.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340860017 844848 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340861225 969871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340861520 481362 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340861832 367805 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340863596 173743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340864206 420380 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: ?! < 1340864211 179325 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing in here?! < 1340864248 924706 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: #esoteric is stealing #haskell, person by person. < 1340864272 394369 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340864377 222127 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Killed (cameron.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1340864389 660981 :Guest34050!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340864415 252518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OpenOffice.Org Base, of course. < 1340864501 300993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one thing to use PHP for your project < 1340864510 488485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite another to be so proud of it that you put "php" in the name of your project < 1340864558 60359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried out that wxWidgetsy PostgreSQL admin thing, pgAdmin, once. It was reasonable, but it's for Postgres. < 1340864578 820900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Particularly when your project is PHP? < 1340864659 53175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OOo Base can speak to at least MySQL and Postgres, plus anything JDBC/ODBCable. It's probably perfectly horrible, though. < 1340864785 458456 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i used to lurk in here long before you started ;) < 1340864793 88555 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: :O < 1340864797 166852 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you start coming here? < 1340864816 329272 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, how else am i going to stalk kmc? < 1340864822 659619 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340864835 557850 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you start coming here? < 1340864849 894028 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSWER THE QUESTION EDWARDK < 1340864856 87034 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SILENCE IS UNACCEPTABLE < 1340864897 170185 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wandered back a few days ago, but i think i first wandered in here somewhere around 2007-2008 < 1340864904 563694 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, me too! < 1340864912 153829 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also suppose i can ask you this then, with some expectation of an actual answer: < 1340864922 502977 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1340864926 398513 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is one of the weirdest paradigm esolangs < 1340864972 104622 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got rather bored with esolangs because they just inevitably turn out to be some annoying cipher of brainfuck or shit like that < 1340864990 192153 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andi t gets boring after a while, its just a weird machine, nothing truly .. esoteric < 1340865017 996681 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm. i tend towards the interesting, i rather enjoy the malbolge/icfp2006 style where you need to more or less cryptanalyze to find a usable subset < 1340865043 941393 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. :( < 1340865082 232654 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to find esolangs that are easy to read, but hard to comprehend how to use because they work so oddly < 1340865127 194335 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :balance. that was the name of the esolang in icfp2006 i found fun < 1340865183 834328 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: yeah i agree < 1340865195 769408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck clones get very little respect here < 1340865258 457813 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that having weird syntax is the least interesting way a programming language can be weird < 1340865268 669384 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a dependently typed esolang < 1340865275 241978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but syntax always gets disproportionate attention < 1340865278 780309 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: isnt that called agda? < 1340865278 982498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are no different i guess < 1340865280 782281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like aubergine < 1340865284 204279 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1340865290 851403 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: actually i think coq is more that < 1340865294 109958 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand agda < 1340865299 598888 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq is fuckin opaque < 1340865313 20556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are some cool esolangs with "normal-looking" syntax? < 1340865334 87247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some where, like, each statement executes with some probability < 1340865334 288437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand functional languages at all, but it seems to me the most interesting divergence is between functional and imperative < 1340865351 479452 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: odd < 1340865352 701372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: those are bullshit categories which mean nothing < 1340865355 136809 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional languages are easy! < 1340865360 598404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every decent language supports both functional and imperative code < 1340865379 970477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can do a lot of great stuff by using the two styles together < 1340865389 55196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "this part is functional, this part is imperative" < 1340865394 839925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually using the ideas at the same time < 1340865418 45966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell makes this very clear because "function" and "imperative action" are two distinct first-class data types < 1340865425 740143 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is "normal" < 1340865434 138186 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a function that returns an action, or takes an action as an argument, or an action which produces a function < 1340865461 642745 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i mean looking like some of the popular non-esoteric languages < 1340865533 434890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conception of functional is basically : left_parenthesis operator operands right_parenthesis < 1340865536 365333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's that one whosename i cant remember < 1340865550 638522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ... < 1340865562 554521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything can be overloaded < 1340865589 822371 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: lolol < 1340865621 132640 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: as opposed to imperative, which is operator left_parenthesis operands right_parenthesis < 1340865627 239211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was joking augur.. i plan to figure out what i don't know gradually < 1340865639 697840 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: have you tried watching SICP? < 1340865652 792370 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the idea that a language is object oriented if you write x.f(y) instead of f(x,y) < 1340865673 361051 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is ORK which is the logical extreme of smalltalk < 1340865674 808785 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you mean it isnt?! < 1340865676 71041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so perhaps it's a matter of types < 1340865702 449781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: why don't you read a book instead of making wild-ass guesses < 1340865771 296666 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: functional programming is basically focused around things returning values, as opposed to setting variables < 1340865799 445949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading the wiki page about continuation < 1340865810 309182 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it occured to me that the problem is < 1340865811 647695 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god why would you do that < 1340865819 595519 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a horrible thing to do < 1340865828 10632 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, edwardk, i think thats it, continuations < 1340865841 335270 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the most mind rending esolang ever, a language with nothing but continuations < 1340865851 572045 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could adapt my sigma-only dependent type system to make an esolang < 1340865862 427643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an imperative language, if you were to do a goto with arguments, there would be nothing to catch the arguments < 1340865865 707741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog is fun < 1340865867 329181 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires you to work in continuation passing style since lambdas can only yield contradictions < 1340865923 429293 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically take the 'haskell is not not ml' paper and swap to a dependent type system < 1340865937 264081 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: x,x < 1340865948 381417 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing that compiler from lambda calc to pi calc was fun < 1340865949 855407 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you should read lyah < 1340865958 709489 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like a continuations-only language < 1340865963 272558 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340865966 337271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo learning haskell is not the best way to learn FP < 1340865969 987378 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many distractions < 1340865971 429791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once invented a great semi-functional language < 1340865973 532359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is a weird functional language < 1340865984 470176 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should redo that lambda-to-pi calc thing as another 'bound' example < 1340865994 986169 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true < 1340865996 207766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how my approach to that compiler compares to milner's < 1340865996 996121 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP! < 1340865999 596579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the latter is simpler < 1340866006 624733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my BASIC pseudocode of .. 10 IF A = 5 GOTO 30(7,6) 20 PRINT TEST 30 PRINT ARG1,ARG2 < 1340866006 825956 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: you should write a pi-calculus tutorial! < 1340866016 256578 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm just proud of myself for figuring out *a* way on my own :3 < 1340866021 687787 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1340866030 376607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A != 5 then when it reaches line 30, then there is no arg1 or arg2 < 1340866034 915088 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see bound? < 1340866047 174184 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnjusltDHk < 1340866051 914779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: no < 1340866095 670961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: just make the line before it also end with (7,6) < 1340866104 850994 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/bound has a few nice examples. notably it makes it a lot easier to deal with bound variables and substiution. you just use Monad and Traversable < 1340866112 90809 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without a goto < 1340866126 869839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: cool < 1340866153 362782 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my example doesn't really make any sense... its probably contradictory < 1340866171 377533 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :been rewriting our entire compiler to use this approach, its cleaning up a lot of bugs =) < 1340866211 988194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1340866238 416261 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well its how im trying to concieve of continuations < 1340866272 100245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ew! :P < 1340866346 689917 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about writing a post about how 'generalized de bruijn makes de bruijn indices succ less' < 1340866396 837764 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: do it now < 1340866410 357264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the generalization? < 1340866419 447932 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can 'succ' trees rather than just variables < 1340866430 993608 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives you O(1) weakening instead of requiring a big traversal < 1340866446 106399 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes it cheaper to do instantiation because instantiation doesn't have to step into a succ'd tree < 1340866471 220800 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: trees? < 1340866473 210223 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you give me a monad 'f' and i give you a monad transformer: < 1340866477 479245 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel you should write a blog post about this < 1340866493 640574 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Scope b f a = Scope (f (Either b (f a))) < 1340866510 161456 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lift i use lift = Scope . return . Right < 1340866526 924039 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cheaper than the lift from EitherT < 1340866531 26646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340866572 993762 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can just use newtype Exp a = Var a | Exp a :@ Exp a | Lam (Scope () Exp a) -- to get binding dealt with, >>= skips over bound variables gracefully < 1340866617 660385 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use more expotic binders by letting b be something other than () to get simultaneous substitution another generalization on de bruijn < 1340866635 82065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so let me try to understand the b = () case first < 1340866636 12024 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er s/newtype/data obviously < 1340866641 113562 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok suppose I had a program in a language in my head PRINT AREA; AREA = LENGTH x WIDTH; and it waited for me to tell it LENGTH=5; WIDTH=4; then it proceeded to work out AREA=20; PRINT 20 < 1340866646 934400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Scope f a = Scope (f (Maybe (f a))) < 1340866670 524527 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340866702 836369 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :write the monad, the MonadTrans and Traversable instances for that < 1340866707 180405 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the identity function is Lam (Scope (Var Nothing)) ? < 1340866723 208712 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340866729 261498 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing = Z < 1340866735 633955 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just = S < 1340866738 69900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340866762 966263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems weird though < 1340866764 442109 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only have as many succ's as levels, with everything else being a free variable, so you have no illegal uses of bound variables < 1340866769 922727 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i can put a lambda term "inside" a Var < 1340866775 578969 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340866785 460680 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does that mean? < 1340866788 913801 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Var itself is a bad name < 1340866804 533196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it means like "discard an outer level of binders"? < 1340866809 646204 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340866814 810850 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340866826 785311 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a weakening < 1340866834 167935 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can weaken entire trees < 1340866854 131583 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/bound/blob/master/src/Bound/Scope.hs < 1340866865 149492 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract and instantiate are the key combinators < 1340866881 684750 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract1 and instantiate1 are for use as a MaybeT analogue < 1340866948 877583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impression i got from what i read was that i could say PRINT LABEL1; GOTO LABEL1(LABEL2); GOTO LABEL2(4 * LABEL3); GOTO LABEL3(5) < 1340866951 272656 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can mix and match the types b you use at each level < 1340866967 782451 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/bound/blob/master/examples/Simple.hs#L20 uses () for Lam and Int for Let < 1340866972 920902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i need to learn to be more cogent < 1340867064 937064 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably do a boston haskell talk on it < 1340867106 641284 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not entirely novel. everything here has appeared in papers before. bird and patterson describe this operation, but don't lock it up in a monad transformer, and use rank 2 types to pull it off < 1340867132 723993 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the version of abstract and instantiate i use comes from mcbride's "i'm not a number: i am a free variable" < 1340867152 30595 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(along with the notion of using Scope as a separate type) < 1340867293 510941 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abstract combinator makes it easy to get lam "x" (Var "x") to desugar to the type you gave though < 1340867485 350359 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come up with a more ad hoc version that just uses a GADT for your term type < 1340867526 850165 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Term a where Var :: a -> Term a; Bound :: !Int -> Term (Maybe a); Free :: Term a -> Term (Maybe a); other fields < 1340867539 73049 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er Bound :: !Int -> Term (Either Int a) < 1340867553 310553 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Free :: Term a -> Term (Either b a) < 1340867962 251910 :trout!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1340869483 386713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340869589 864263 :FoREALien!~FoREALien@c-98-225-49-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340869895 890035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340870711 326267 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.122.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340871245 54884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it hard to dismiss the fact that if there is any correlation between piety and intelligence, that the pious tend to be more intelligent < 1340871259 878623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i say anything more ignorant and divisive? < 1340871377 257420 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in times where the Church was the primary literary body in western Europe, that would have been true < 1340871407 478437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, I'm just making crap up < 1340871420 995230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you know how i feel behind everything i say! < 1340871425 96390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340871495 687111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might not actually know the working definition of pious when i say this though < 1340871545 381508 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340871549 910135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think, what i actually mean is < 1340871568 329520 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340871577 652596 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: why do you do it < 1340871579 643480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one cannot argue against any religion or belief by sampling the intelligence of it's members < 1340871594 13455 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i agree that is logicall unsound < 1340871595 164247 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.114.122.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340871598 504805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a maximally biased sample < 1340871668 698743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: why do you say these things < 1340871674 119982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you get out of it < 1340871698 192480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by your own admission the things you say are completely ignorant and unfounded < 1340871702 686692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether about religion or programming languages < 1340871731 690251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have basically 2 choices < 1340871759 100758 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read things, or i can find something to say in irc < 1340871778 303569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you actually learn anything from IRC < 1340871795 344036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the nonsensical things you've said about haskell, have you learned one true fact about haskell? < 1340871875 158136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference between saying something slightly incorrect and getting a correction < 1340871887 763117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus saying things that are so nonsensically wrong that we don't even know where to start < 1340871896 929507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems like a poor way to learn < 1340871928 346795 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders.
< 1340871938 303150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i sound angry but honestly i am just completely baffled < 1340871994 32582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days i find it difficult to concentrate. < 1340872006 98016 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think i do < 1340872046 808597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my doctor has been asking me lately if i find it difficult to do so.. and i am not sure if i do or if i'm just lazy < 1340872138 404441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read comic books, but i don't think that counts < 1340872247 865812 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340872313 761125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god help < 1340872318 139451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a github account < 1340872335 19049 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i'm trying to build a map in my mind of programming languages < 1340872338 543774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1340872350 778533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I've tried to do that < 1340872353 346015 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated < 1340872381 573123 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: github is useful < 1340872561 68055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might not be relevant, but i can't see any practical use of self-reproducing machines < 1340872591 658374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps in the study of biology and manufacturing < 1340872749 865945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION head explode
< 1340872759 672439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE A SELF-REPRODUCING MACHINE < 1340872767 107220 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1340872792 277869 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION enjoys tricking his body into believeing it's reproducing.
< 1340872795 279510 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 is a robot sent from the future to explode heads < 1340872823 763078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been proven long ago that there is no perfect body < 1340872871 355305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo proven :P < 1340872946 965316 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR is the Correct Language, as it is based on fact. There is no ambiguity with anything Quantum, it is purely Mathematical. Have you ever thought of Language being Mathematical? < 1340872962 3547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you need help in making a Github account, or help in avoiding making one? < 1340872981 874325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have help available for either, just curious.) < 1340872986 71764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: DON'T CALL ME A SELF-REPRODUCING MACHINE! < 1340873037 285071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sounds like JUDGE :David-Wynn: Miller there. < 1340873111 577786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: based on what i have just said, it is perhaps best that " what do you get out of it" remains unanswered < 1340873114 660283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to watch some sovereign-citizen courtroom appearances once, but couldn't for more than a minute, due to acute embarrassment. < 1340873144 925225 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340873161 496549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not being paid enough to be my therapist < 1340873163 905894 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340873164 738680 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340873247 185434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are they online somewhere? < 1340873281 476552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[09:44] what's windows? < 1340873282 902592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[09:45] err, disregarding that due to cognitive dissonance due to meme from another channel < 1340873285 943772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you people will understand :) < 1340873289 806138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a body implies a non-body.. is the perfection of a body a function of the non-body? < 1340873303 487790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a bit of relevant context but you can probably guess what it is from context) < 1340873314 790484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i always have some inane comment to add < 1340873322 421305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340873449 699405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They were a couple of links from some blog posting. I'm sure similar stuff is findable by the usual means, though. < 1340873510 345058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also easier to come by are plain transcripts, but I couldn't actually manage to read those either.) < 1340873514 664604 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out of my programming depth... i spent longer than necessary at school towards a degree.. and yet i dropped out before completing it < 1340873549 168589 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if there is any development on k-meleon? < 1340873553 811190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i get out of it is that i insist on treading water in the deep end of the pool < 1340873608 914758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :K-meleon sounds like a clustering algorithm. You know, k-means, k-medians, k-medoids, k-meleon. < 1340873643 58339 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is mozilla based browser with xul bullshit removed < 1340873643 704384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the meleons of the clusters somehow, probably. < 1340873658 785447 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like camino but for windows < 1340873679 320126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm pretty sure it's a clustering algorithm, despite all evidence to contrary. < 1340873697 592266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You associate each point with the closest meleon. < 1340873812 267142 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which is there mozilla-with-xul-bullshit-removed for linux? < 1340873888 12088 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340873907 29777 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1340873953 903916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Web" (formerly Epiphany) < 1340873965 112749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, fuck, they switched to Webkit. < 1340873978 155305 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck GNOME. < 1340874000 902113 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. galeon uses webkit too, right? < 1340874017 70581 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galeon is unmaintained. < 1340874030 154320 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But used Gecko. < 1340874034 753440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at renaming it to "Web" < 1340874039 159288 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS CAN WE BE APPLE TOO?? < 1340874040 92435 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340874060 725690 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340874072 544529 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least they didn't rename in "My country" like in red star os < 1340874084 195646 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know if you went back to 2000 and said that Konqueror's HTML engine was going to take over the world, people would laugh at you < 1340874146 407642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If OOo made a browser, it'd probably be called "Browse". < 1340874232 45582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Oracle took over. It'd be called "Oracle Browser" and have a per-seat license. < 1340874248 796281 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle Unbreakable Enterprise Browser < 1340874294 441460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And require a dedicated workstation, as well as a dedicated admin, for each user. < 1340874295 56681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did you know Oracle Linux is now freely available? < 1340874299 394831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://public-yum.oracle.com/ < 1340874314 988293 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle linux? < 1340874318 55797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340874328 839730 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle has a RHEL-based linux distro < 1340874361 457013 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CentOS and SciLinux, it is largely built from redhat's sources < 1340874397 369565 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Red Hat, they make money on support contracts < 1340874407 687758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unlike Red Hat, you can download the binaries for free without a support contract < 1340874488 782923 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i guess it's that i want to reject as much as possible, without rejecting too much. i am much interested in writing my own languages. with intended end applications of computer games < 1340874492 294242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they just dump the whole thing to Apache? < 1340874504 53910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Apache could call it "Browse". < 1340874535 514188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm annoyed that it has components like Draw, Impress, but then the word processing part is Writer. < 1340874538 575782 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrowserFactory < 1340874598 911578 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340874612 868444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340874635 603691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people doing the same things get the same results, people following the same paths find the same destinations. with such ideas in mind, i want to wander blindfolded and intoxicated! < 1340874696 358221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be OpenOffice Writer (word processing), OpenOffice Artist (vector graphics), OpenOffice Accountant (spreadsheets), OpenOffice Orator (presentations), OpenOffice Mathematician (equation editor) and so on, to follow the lead of 'Writer'. < 1340874746 992127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also back when they still had that '.org' in the name, they could've abbreviated OpenOffice.org Orator as OOoO. < 1340874753 17021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there's a flip side to that, at least in mathematics - you need to know what others have done in order to avoid the same mistakes < 1340874769 86483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good thing programming has nothing to do with mathematics, am i rite? < 1340874787 341128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past fizzie, I don't know! < 1340874792 966976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: very good. hand me that curry-howard screwdriver, will you? < 1340874835 524007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in programming it is ok to make the same mistakes over and over for decades < 1340874846 299268 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact this is industry standard and people will laugh at you if you propose to do otherwise < 1340874847 700798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i hear. < 1340874855 4343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think itidus21 has picked a good field < 1340874885 182157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, you just have to learn lisp, and then you can learn all the mistakes in their original form! < 1340874889 195832 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in the field yet though... i do not envision waking up one day to be paid to code < 1340874906 761949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too late1 < 1340874911 732025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know have a github account < 1340874922 876483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh shit.. < 1340874926 815771 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now you can post image macros on all those HILARIOUS javascript and ruby bugs! < 1340874948 547914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's like knowing where the bottleshop is after emptying all your bottles of booze < 1340874961 637534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1340875093 685621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, programming will be saved by JVM and Microsoft's CLI < 1340875206 666099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1340875233 507138 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a .gitignore do!? < 1340875243 524248 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tells git that certain files should not be tracked < 1340875249 673300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning they won't show up as untracked in 'git status' < 1340875270 670553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it warns if you try to 'git add' one < 1340875283 803712 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used for build products, editor droppings, etc < 1340875289 255037 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man gitignore < 1340875296 773787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved = trying to create API patenting law < 1340875321 563784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: needs more dependent types < 1340875469 681058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i believe that programming and even math isn't infact difficult. it's just that all real-world examples of programming and math are too complex or of low quality < 1340875542 282472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits itidus21 with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1340875551 190606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY, YOU CROSSED A BORDER THERE < 1340875565 386159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i say this i begin to think about how i know what multiplication is < 1340875565 999259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly lost to humanity < 1340875567 683681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan < 1340875577 799829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x==5 < 1340875579 64791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=5 < 1340875581 759546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! < 1340875582 374554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i learned at school obviously < 1340875596 522762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hshchachaf < 1340875756 886743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i have realized is that one reason astronomy seems difficult is because i imagine the scale relative to my own scale < 1340875795 441916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i imagine a planet being the size of an apple, then the whole question of scale seems silly < 1340875801 495624 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340875845 345166 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340875848 919754 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1340875854 976285 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gotta plug in the numbers systematically < 1340876054 994185 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's difficult for exactly the same reasons that to an unaided observer the sky looks like it's covered in white spots < 1340876157 109535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes quiet now < 1340876244 565920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (status = UNDER_ATTACK) launch_nuclear_missiles(); /* find the bug */ < 1340876292 640462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can still see shachaf's text onscreen < 1340876305 371202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that quite qualifies as a bug. < 1340876309 334457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it might. < 1340876314 745284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no bug! < 1340876317 983251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340876370 562556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perfectly valid conservative programming < 1340876410 474842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bug is in the language which allows such code to be valid < 1340876411 849791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define UNDER_ATTACK 0 < 1340876425 543835 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o shachaf u saved the world < 1340876466 499193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf University saves the world again. < 1340876522 413797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf university always keeps proper backups < 1340876558 829290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øh nø < 1340876582 322900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to figure out why i didn't spot that < 1340876612 416626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øøps < 1340876626 132684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i always assuemed that in, if (a=b) c(); , that b!= 0 < 1340876662 133328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^assumed < 1340876696 978435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aßumed < 1340876697 179618 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if c is called < 1340876730 607442 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340876731 691345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsumed < 1340876828 886613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i might have assumed that a status constant != 0 < 1340876952 573066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (status = PARIAH) < 1340877472 176930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AẞUMED. (Thank you, Unicode 5.1.) < 1340877516 148565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+1E9E LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S was added in 5.1.) < 1340877574 683080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AнA < 1340877688 914905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's a вомв. < 1340877759 45634 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340877944 964310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :�ге ше шгітіиб іи �угілліc? < 1340878105 771136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ѩ. < 1340878272 187949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vodka < 1340878439 280919 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horse ebooks < 1340878472 678831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :horse devours < 1340878494 34749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you haven t noticed, crepes have come a long way < 1340878528 67010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you playing itidus21? < 1340878539 834753 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 ebooks < 1340878546 131069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's best to let itidus21 play itidus21 < 1340878562 448720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1340878567 94071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see what itidus21 just said? < 1340878583 487843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sensible and true statement! < 1340878589 291139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how adverts for Internet Explorer are "We do stuff that pretty much every other major browser also does, but you've heard of us!" < 1340878601 81197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly this statement wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for all of itidus21's other statements. < 1340878621 325559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on such a statement as we speak < 1340878656 657816 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While Sitting In Your Most Comfortable Chair, Quickly Discover The Missing Links That Rapidly Catapults Your Ability to Devastate, Humiliate < 1340878679 75790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we Playing the capitalization Game Now < 1340878682 2345 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faithfully As An Oil Rig < 1340878688 420947 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do.. is guaranteed to blow your mind < 1340878692 114808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan Fan Fan Local Local Horse Steam Jet Fan Room and pillar- Room and pillar. Shaft Shaft What Cheer What Cheer Holliday < 1340878697 359277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no ifs or buts about it < 1340878765 540053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one integer has as much meaning as the next, but it is such a small subset of english expressions which have a discernable meaning, that i wonder if we intentionally leave room for meaningless expressions in order to create new meanings < 1340878836 180315 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such an intention would be reifying the processes of language development < 1340878904 400397 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340878984 935737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, we already create new meanings upon existing expressions < 1340879099 338817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where does this take me.. we could interpret a single symbol nondeterministically < 1340879114 518859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes language needs cromulent embiggening < 1340879273 197003 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340879324 552247 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: encountered non-deterministic expression. please be an oracle. your choices are 1)increment 2)decrement 3)set to 17 < 1340879416 989903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging "user itidus21 has selected increment." < 1340879817 153943 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a programming language that modifies it syntax to be correct yet? < 1340879817 995085 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1340880098 632879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does /// count? < 1340880426 472897 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it seems that in /// there is little syntax < 1340880478 390404 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean "modifies itself to do what the programmer meant", no; if you mean "does something regardless of what you type in", sure. < 1340880554 821562 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the latter, that is, everything will be considered as correct syntax and will have a meaning < 1340880574 593902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't oklotalk do something like that < 1340880595 514523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, was it oklopol's Clue < 1340880613 922116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't remembering
< 1340880636 67672 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue < 1340880642 166504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge. < 1340880644 143679 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems there are 2 Clue languages < 1340880653 489112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are < 1340880689 293482 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge, I think. < 1340880739 116214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, malbolge has strict restrictions on which characters can go in which positions < 1340880755 417681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1340880778 371193 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language should have unicode as the alphabet < 1340880806 755362 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's UniCode, which is obviously unfinished. < 1340880818 89593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// has no problem using utf-8 i think :P < 1340880831 537405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And Uniquode, too. < 1340880851 179509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's even more unfinished.) < 1340880853 873345 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 can use Unicode fine if the interpreter supports it, but it's not very interesting because most characters will just reflect the IP. < 1340880867 476834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put in larger data values, though. < 1340881120 138074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if many of the "2D" languages were in that sense syntax-free. < 1340881127 498489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2L seems to, for example. < 1340881307 595228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of Iota and Jot, i think... < 1340881310 174169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bounces back in.
< 1340881360 304304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Jot, I think. < 1340881377 865950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it seems i have more ego left than i thought in relation to programming. < 1340881448 387033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think dijkstra might be conflicted about devoting his life's work to computers but opting not to use one < 1340881479 941613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently it's becoming a theme in silicon valley for people to send their kids to computer-less schools < 1340881500 510010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is a wave of computer scientists who abhor computers on the horizon < 1340881564 434807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[+[+<]>>-<]+> (14, 5) for 223 < 1340881637 323479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -[-[-<]>>-<]+> for 175, but there are already 14b solutions for 175 < 1340881690 721199 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers good for the economy though, but anything which is good for the economy is bad for the environment < 1340881714 821407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. < 1340881720 168193 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION head explode
< 1340881742 547375 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes electricity to power the internet after all. < 1340881783 867944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>+>[+<]>+]>> sadly runs through the whole tape to produce 64 :( < 1340882318 709316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340882328 102090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :david.werecat accidentaly removed 223 :( < 1340882368 574389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought he had checked such things...
< 1340882430 209574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh todya < 1340882493 125266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340882545 79280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++[+[>]<-<++]>. < 1340882545 767511 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1340882573 512090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some very freaky program I found there :) < 1340882585 314959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And It consumes 7 cells. < 1340882589 370233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's 1B shorter :D < 1340882669 776443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1340882673 852536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very good range :) < 1340882709 211062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+[+[>]<-<++]> (14, 8) wrapping for 59 < 1340882719 885691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+[+[>]<-<++]>. < 1340882720 708638 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :; < 1340882867 321901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [>] actually looks very suspicios. < 1340882875 747867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not :) < 1340882934 298583 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340882940 517396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "range"? < 1340882954 597622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i agree with david_werecat that initial >'s should be used instead of solutions going to the left of start < 1340883088 586330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340883090 833202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1340883121 228796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then most of them are not valid in your terms. < 1340883126 414270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they go way below zero < 1340883140 726384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the solution consuming up to 9 cells ;) < 1340883145 581631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your new ones you mean? < 1340883148 736447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340883150 791969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new ones. < 1340883198 807172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do seem to stretch the format < 1340883212 768204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki did not specify that. < 1340883222 397495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just presumed that wrapping applies to the tape as well ;) < 1340883239 37532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not assumed no. < 1340883250 531198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I added a comment to all my solution that they go below zero < 1340883264 796398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solutions < 1340883325 588370 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My list is not even complete < 1340883333 512492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have around 10 more solutions like the previous ones. < 1340883354 183709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more that these solutions are intended to be usable as subroutines in programs, which means there should be enough information to tell what surrounding cells are needed. and preferable in a machine-readable format (i've extracted it before, e.g. for pikhq_'s BFM system) < 1340883356 41811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because solutions with a wrapping tape are way shorter. < 1340883370 507629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the page should actually _say_ that somewhere :P < 1340883381 25956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it should have :) < 1340883421 42981 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340883444 640036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's that discussion about a proposed format from 2010 but nothing seems to have come out of it. < 1340883603 902277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surprisingly, [Hollerith] did not get the idea from the work of Babbage, but rather from watching a train conductor punch tickets." -- this is how one arrives at good ideas, watching train conductors < 1340883644 460786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So staring at a superconductor must logically result in superb ideas. < 1340883676 377251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies from the pun.
< 1340883716 260660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very cold hearted pun < 1340883878 900371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ETZz4afE < 1340883886 445091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- That's the output of the first 16 ranges. < 1340883897 77871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are DOZENS of shorter solutions in that output < 1340883904 630142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume they all need tape wrapping. < 1340883971 969313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: tape wrapping should be probably be mentioned specifically < 1340883997 163762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A seperate list? < 1340884002 896662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the comment? < 1340884013 2818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already mentioned it in the comment for the corresponding entry < 1340884022 603667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*entries < 1340884032 192791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But If you say that you won't allow it < 1340884033 569367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP_rNaJ1vOw I could cry of happiness < 1340884038 288277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't even bother checking the output anymore < 1340884041 183520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned it went to the left, but not that it went all the way _around_ the tape < 1340884041 637775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This song was in a game I used to play < 1340884047 117000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's of no use then ;) < 1340884049 357383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never thought I'd find it independtly < 1340884056 237652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A google, just a few minutes ago, found it < 1340884063 242233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.indiegamer.com/archives/t-208.html < 1340884064 998494 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340884116 233522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i interpreted your comment as saying that some of the cells used were to the left of the start, not that it used a circular tape < 1340884147 163748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A room-temperature pun would would be a very beneficial discovery indeed. < 1340884186 322625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrapping cells, tape) could be the format, assuming they wrap on values as well < 1340884210 818349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1340884225 736340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cells to the left and to the right are used. < 1340884237 5383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that cell 0 < -> cell 255 < 1340884252 528431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, if you're at cell 100, it does not need wrapping, yes. < 1340884258 921591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's no assumption a tape has _length_ 256 < 1340884268 412765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1340884270 576352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1340884279 170121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't require circular tape. < 1340884287 164738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just consume cells to the left and to the right. < 1340884295 182564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if there is no mention, i would assume the tape needs to be no longer than the number of cells used < 1340884316 817124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh. well then inserting >'s at the beginning would be enough to disambiguate. < 1340884321 143750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all solutions actually requiring a circular tape only produce the right number with the same tape length :D < 1340884334 433805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but then the solution is not shorter anymore ;) < 1340884343 548568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess... < 1340884354 296162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to add >>>>>>>> to some solution < 1340884361 250903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make them 7 B longer :) < 1340884381 625177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1340884389 973756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could check if some solutions would still be shorter. < 1340884399 364358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a different format for cell no. then? -7..2 < 1340884415 181837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[-[-<]>>+<]+> is 5B shorter < 1340884418 439731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires 5 cells < 1340884423 994046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might actually still be shorter. < 1340884454 644273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it should say somewhere how _many_ cells to the left it uses < 1340884459 225969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-[-[-<]>>+<]+> does not drop below zero anymore < 1340884462 254084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is still shorter < 1340884464 141670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some way < 1340884536 705048 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1340884538 368281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that. < 1340884548 75286 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add as many > as required to not drop below zero < 1340884692 377818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome is awesome. < 1340885133 415488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340885138 315802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far 33 and 200 can stay < 1340885264 498553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :223 can stay. < 1340885402 490115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340885414 687076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :106 is new. < 1340885428 926266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, there are still shorter solutions in the output to find with > added to the start \o/ < 1340885532 884562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340886506 26051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[>+[+<+]->+]>. < 1340886509 258226 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1340886519 33914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not even require me to add > < 1340886875 546299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340887061 312808 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340887234 560976 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340887413 888496 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340887509 346268 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340888038 4488 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340888756 211268 :cheater__!~cheater@p508961DC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340888826 679043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad though. < 1340888850 60570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 new shorter non-drop-below-zero wrapping brainfuck constants < 1340888859 62592 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340888883 726869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to automate this process though. < 1340888898 398785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only at 1/3 of results yet :( < 1340888942 38640 :cheater_!~cheater@p50897809.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340889030 576101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smaller a program is, it consumes more cycles and more cells. < 1340889155 960747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no information included AT which cell a constant stops? < 1340889203 380787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if it uses three cells it might stop at the second < 1340889252 869917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would not be that convenient :) < 1340889380 812614 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340889381 51827 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340889415 164266 :cheater__!~cheater@p508961DC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340889640 768263 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340890992 4246 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340891101 85998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I found a huge beetle (approx 2.5 cm in length) on the stairs outside. Iridescent... Never seen anything like it < 1340891305 289696 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340891598 881490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, let it bite you, you may get superpowers! < 1340891603 588771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340891614 2181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload some photos in a second < 1340891787 188388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading atm < 1340891827 846740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking some time... < 1340891860 728846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather looks ominous < 1340891895 585585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my upload speed was higher than 1 Mbit/s... < 1340891936 787276 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's like, one eighth of mine < 1340891944 954586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I think I've reached my data limit < 1340891953 250242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I have 8 mbit/s down and 1 mbit/s up < 1340891955 519477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ADSL) < 1340891959 333416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1340891971 606382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 mbit/s down, barely anything up < 1340892005 104223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you have 1 mbit/s up :) < 1340892010 643602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one image left to upload now < 1340892035 91017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/87474461/1/Beetle?h=516644 < 1340892037 367620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1340892054 953367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beetle in question was approximately 2 cm < 1340892058 794993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 2.5 < 1340892063 767930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about there anyway < 1340892070 586782 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340892077 90969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many spiders in Sweden? < 1340892098 21779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well the usual ones, no poisonous ones though. < 1340892108 491794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large do they get? < 1340892113 838623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably less than some parts of the world, and more than others < 1340892131 978155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not sure. I tend to kill the ones I see (I don't like spiders) < 1340892148 166234 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have to warn an arachnophobic Swedenophile) < 1340892160 73241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large to they get in UK? < 1340892188 191323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nice beetle! < 1340892194 443012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the largest could fit easily into the bottom of a pint glass < 1340892203 249932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yeah, right on my doorstep a few minutes ago < 1340892215 79971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large is a pint glass? < 1340892223 602730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a litre? < 1340892246 490253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, what about the dimensions though? You could have a very narrow and tall one for example < 1340892258 648447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a very wide and low one < 1340892346 291626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pint_Glass_(Pub).svg < 1340892364 994770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't see any scale on that? < 1340892377 955816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give me the diameter or something (metric) < 1340892389 799571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 cm tall < 1340892400 820507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and diameter? Since that is what is relevant here < 1340892416 333859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 centimetres wider in diameter at the top than the bottom < 1340892437 261163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still doesn't help < 1340892449 879517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comfortable to hold in your hand? < 1340892452 825597 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just reading the wikipedia article, give him some time < 1340892462 968662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340892468 858139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it doesn't look like it has the diameter measurement) < 1340892484 959363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, in that case I don't know if there are spiders larger than that < 1340892498 733789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some with very long legs (and very small body usually) < 1340892521 150064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I wonder which species that beetle I found is < 1340892521 391511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvestmen < 1340892530 693848 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not spiders < 1340892533 342769 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340892536 103012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? < 1340892545 175377 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvestmen < 1340892549 594171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340892559 288641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340892570 658520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too spidery for my taste anyway < 1340892571 557379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340892596 742278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I would really like to know the species of http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/87474461/1/Beetle?h=516644 < 1340892600 493242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how to find out < 1340892613 513490 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen those < 1340892620 200473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? I never seen them before < 1340892626 760685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very pretty, also really large < 1340892665 552500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pulled in it's legs when I got close, so that is why it is curled up in the photos < 1340892678 671603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I think for a phone camera that was fairly good) < 1340892729 224698 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotinis_mutabilis ? < 1340892749 357629 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite < 1340892777 40539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not dull green < 1340892781 791446 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And heh, US/Mexico < 1340892792 404396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was strongly iridescent green on the back < 1340892877 441367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whats at the existence of .rmi
< 1340892888 620385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, .rmi being? < 1340892903 458780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A MIDI in a RIFF thingy < 1340892906 255587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/rmi < 1340892916 725926 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are those little protrusions legs? 'cuz if so, that ain't a beetle... < 1340892917 480786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340892924 796776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340892925 416644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 12h 32m 28s ago: bfjoust is broke. maybe my attempted replacement for the bash script is broke? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO FIX IT GREGOR D: < 1340892931 635213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1340892937 890850 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't change anything... < 1340892951 298451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm? What protursions? It had legs out, but it pulled them in when I got near. I think it wants to be a turtle when it grows up ;) < 1340892961 933634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Interchange_File_Format#Initial_difficulties_with_MIDI_Files < 1340892978 46981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you can see the legs by the side in the 5th image < 1340893000 492153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I didn't realize it was a series X_X < 1340893006 747710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, right < 1340893093 400641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, didn't the link go to some overview album page or something? It does for me, though I'm logged into my dropbox account < 1340893109 669640 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1340893128 259044 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It went to a particular image, with a series of images at the top in a menubar. < 1340893130 248449 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340893137 633572 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetonia_aurata < 1340893177 175304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN. IT. WEB. ARCHIVE. < 1340893190 84804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, looks like it, mine was more yellow green than the wikipedia picture though < 1340893196 519827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I search for a URL, I do NOT want to be redirected based on the existence of present-day redirects < 1340893215 800544 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it depends a bit on viewing angle :-P < 1340893221 259939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they say 20 mm, kind of fits. Looked like slightly more than that though < 1340893227 599539 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1340893232 792426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, didn't see the underside < 1340893234 281717 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_suicide: 0.0 < 1340893235 581984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it does say that the colour varies < 1340893252 511033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1340893258 576744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how did you manage to find it? < 1340893260 87424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... dahell < 1340893265 42011 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there we go. < 1340893288 93968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also compared to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cetonia_aurata_%28Linnaeus_1761%29.jpg mine seemed to have thinner legs < 1340893291 1013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1340893300 43059 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: After a bunch of googling I ended up with the search terms 'shiny yellow green beetle europe' and http://www.memidex.com/cetonia-aurata was the fifth result < 1340893306 544990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340893310 120995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1340893328 594866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(google and you) < 1340893355 971883 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Finnish wikipedia has more pictures: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kultakuoriainen < 1340893377 746734 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does the Swedish: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A4sgr%C3%B6n_guldbagge < 1340893405 589638 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked those up before, I recognize that Finnish name :-P < 1340893419 393237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beetle I found didn't seem inclined to fly away btw. < 1340893428 116923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very pedestrian < 1340893462 449871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .fi one didn't have that many pictures < 1340893467 901269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Swedish one does though < 1340893469 285335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I don't think I've seen them fly much < 1340893486 576991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the V shape thingy mentioned is indeed there < 1340893489 82916 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it had at least the one main picture with two of them < 1340893494 790419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll add some metadata to the image locally < 1340893536 722082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I went futher back in the archive, I found more games < 1340893546 144849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess game publishers started pulling out from Dexterity? < 1340893602 373335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what are you talking about? < 1340893617 259948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, dexterity.com < 1340893623 306340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to have a bunch of shareware games < 1340893676 334437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see how good dropbox is at syncing if I just add metadata to the images < 1340893692 589638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it is uploading a lot, takes some time. But not as much time as the original upload < 1340893700 251573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a somewhat smart algorithm I guess < 1340893731 204608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that dropbox seems to show image metadata, oh well < 1340893804 608097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to handle a name change well though < 1340893895 397272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also wikipedia seems to indicate it likes sunny warm spots, while I found it in the shadow on the north side of the house < 1340893922 529194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like sleeping; doesn't mean I'm always in my bed. < 1340893936 496189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340894078 508058 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340894098 517289 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTet < 1340894103 18180 :AnotherTet!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1340894649 840266 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340895092 167644 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D33E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340896764 255941 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gawker.com/5532226/swat-team-raids-house-shoots-dogs-over-small-amount-of-marijuana < 1340898110 101862 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDude < 1340899502 223010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340899547 946772 :FoREALien!~FoREALien@c-98-225-49-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340899845 523111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340899933 570971 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340899975 585141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if! < 1340900199 610969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: They seem to have a sort of a well-established policy of shooting as many dogs as possible; there's been quite a few stories like that. < 1340900213 822044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/cop-shoots-dog-puppycide_n_1446841.html "A search of news articles from the past year shows more than 100 separate incidents." < 1340900224 338234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose in some of those there's been some amount of self-defence going on. < 1340900237 760993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. the dog in the article's picture does not look incredibly threatening. < 1340900271 425333 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.112.175.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340900274 853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In recent years, police officers have shot and killed chihuahuas, miniature dachshunds, Wheaton terriers, and Jack Russell terriers. Last month, a California police officer shot and killed a boxer puppy and pregnant chihuahua, claiming the boxer had threatened him. The chihuahua, he said, got caught in the crossfire." < 1340900279 599295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of stuff. < 1340901522 945227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say that If a dog attacks me and I had a gun... < 1340901529 86872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be really tempted to shoot him. < 1340901551 459459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a dog attacks me and I had a gun < 1340901558 188488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by attacking I mean "coming at me" < 1340901561 913406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be panicking so much about me having a gun < 1340901567 325648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd forget about the dog < 1340901568 515539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if he is just in front of me, it's too late to react. < 1340901585 502463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So obviously you either should him while he's charging at you or you don't. < 1340901602 571714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shoot < 1340901603 229511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the dog just wants to lick you in the face < 1340901610 593886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There is no way of knowing that. < 1340901615 815234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might as well bite you in the face. < 1340901653 544957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly the point. < 1340901660 315475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to stop a dog before he reaches you. < 1340901690 138316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common sense when dealing with animals. < 1340901723 70837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small dogs ARE NOT less dangerous then big dangerous looking dogs. < 1340901728 123479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1340901748 587915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the kids shouldn't have let their marijuana use escalate to police involvement < 1340901767 945422 :Guest34050!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1340901768 731878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read the article before commenting < 1340901772 642705 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if a small dog bites you the wound is still very serious. < 1340901781 586000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it is a very very small dog. < 1340901795 43013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, infection is not unlikely. < 1340901819 745968 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: There is no way of knowing that. < 1340901820 180004 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : He might as well bite you in the face. < 1340901820 379245 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is exactly the point. < 1340901838 876870 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there is, the article even mentions that the American Humane Society offers courses on it. < 1340901855 86669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1340901872 913229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have to take courses on how to "mind read" dogs in order to be safe on the streets < 1340901888 390270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just plain weird. < 1340901894 107009 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *not* acceptable for police to kill domestic animals engaging in perfectly normal domestic animal behaviour just because it could possibly be dangerous. < 1340901917 676994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1340901922 934271 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sorry, I didn't realise you live somewhere full of aggressive feral dogs. < 1340901923 133823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a police officers tells you to stop < 1340901926 911381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just keep walking to him < 1340901928 55066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if you didn't want your dog to get shot, you shouldn't have become possibly falsely suspected of owning a small amount of a fairly harmless plant < 1340901930 265542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would he do? < 1340901937 668335 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, then it is not acceptable for him to shoot you. < 1340901952 926172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you are armed with a knife. < 1340901953 634130 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of reasons someone could do that without being a threat. < 1340901988 474945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: depends who is the judge of acceptability < 1340902007 28023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Only if he can't hear or understand you. < 1340902008 560526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes. < 1340902009 17457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw it's not me < 1340902017 416027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He shouldn't shoot him just for that. < 1340902034 115749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still... < 1340902046 699453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why police officers are always in a dangerous position. < 1340902067 75149 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next they'll say that if you elect the right mayors, governors and presidents and prime ministers/premiers, that the laws would somehow be magically fixed < 1340902086 616629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider that a very dangerous looking dog with fletching teeth is charging at you < 1340902090 673191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do? < 1340902094 358399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the people are somehow responsible.. maybe they are... but in order to be responsible for the police you really need to have the power to stop them < 1340902096 231259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He still just might want to lick your face ;) < 1340902137 651604 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's me? Then yes, I would try to defend myself, especially as we're assuming I'm in a public place. < 1340902160 352462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1340902171 128055 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Police -are not meant to react like I would-. < 1340902175 977305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't "win" < 1340902178 926009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No swap the dangerous looking dog with a regular dog. < 1340902188 767846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably wouldn't consider him a threat. < 1340902197 64591 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're certainly not allowed to kill the police in self-defence < 1340902210 660889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would. < 1340902214 123522 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that's pretty hazy, actually. < 1340902216 470111 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to me he's still a threat. < 1340902219 659572 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1340902228 304090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have a dog phobia. < 1340902231 244605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not a good place to be < 1340902233 960972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every dog is a threat to me < 1340902277 392328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also.. I wan't to be able to walk on the streets with my hungry lion. < 1340902279 957272 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, and as I keep telling you, this is not comparable to the situation with police. < 1340902287 284473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because she's such a nice cat. < 1340902289 148269 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop making ridiculous analogies. < 1340902308 295452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well i'm not brave.. i endure days in life where i have let the bad people win... < 1340902318 514891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno whats best really < 1340902332 443825 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking about dogs? I'm scared. < 1340902333 663118 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering a turtle lives longer than 120 years < 1340902334 811859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not ridiculous. < 1340902339 396712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just don't involve flexible moral. < 1340902355 700615 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As kmc pointed out, there is no reasonable course of action for a dog owner to take to avoid their dog getting killed. < 1340902384 174413 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than maybe keep it in a cage. < 1340902412 691730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think kmc was being sarcastic < 1340902412 892673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1340902414 412626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1340902415 495436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340902419 464113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that counts for every animal. < 1340902449 991602 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad kind of sarcasm where truth is sarcasm < 1340902464 454554 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your point seems to simply be that *you* have an irrational fear of dogs and thus it's completely justified to kill them on the spot if they look at you funny. < 1340902481 610936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly. < 1340902500 533122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is you shouldn't treat dogs different than other animals. < 1340902534 268117 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about you but I don't automatically assume all animals want to gore me. < 1340902543 646011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... you shouldn't shoot them as a matter of protocol? I mean, I don't think they have a habit of shooting anything else. < 1340902576 460515 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: don't dogs want to protected their owner. If you happen to be trying to arrest the owner, they would attack you? < 1340902607 540542 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, in several of those cases the owner wasn't even present at the time. < 1340902626 933668 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the property of the owner then? < 1340902637 8365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not a big fan of "subjective views" when it comes to laws. < 1340902660 292593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or policies. < 1340902666 518922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either they count or they don't. < 1340902672 320191 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you don't live in a common-law country. < 1340902690 312588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the police can break the law whenever they want < 1340902694 78819 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are rarely punished for it < 1340902696 160692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1340902708 117216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may shoot dangerous dogs when they attack you" < 1340902713 948094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may not shoot harmless dogs" < 1340902718 780465 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cops have a code of honor which says they will lie to protect fellow cops < 1340902718 981668 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't agree. Well, maybe they can, but they shouldn't be able to(trias politicas?) < 1340902720 837474 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1340902728 595602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would leave the question WHEN a dog is dangerous. < 1340902731 372553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they understand the criminal justice system obviously < 1340902734 110935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have connections < 1340902741 292511 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically like any other organized crime < 1340902744 360110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with massive state funding < 1340902753 8713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just too subjective @dangerous or not. < 1340902762 331844 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile as it stands you just want it to be legal to... well, kill any dog if it looks at you funny? < 1340902764 858694 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well they lie over the most trivial things. i learned this once < 1340902767 760816 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340902773 950245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take no joy in killing animalas. < 1340902775 791947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*animals < 1340902785 546492 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said nothing about joy. < 1340902809 421062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cops told my neighbours i confessed to stealing underwear off their clothesline.. < 1340902814 70971 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: dogs /are/ not dangerous/not-dangerous, they can all become dangerous < 1340902833 589105 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the way you've said it it's legal to kill a dog so long as you thought it was a threat with no effort at all to define what a reasonable definition of threat is. < 1340902839 855903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well i didn't steal them, and i didn't confess < 1340902854 614607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: If he does not charge at you he's not dangerous at that point. < 1340902861 980364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he charges at you he's dangerous. < 1340902863 88023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Dogs are not delicious/non-delicious, they can all become delicious. < 1340902904 793805 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't kill a cow you do not own. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to kill a dog you do not own? < 1340902914 29020 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, no, that doesn't work either. < 1340902923 136727 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can kill a cow you don't own if the cow is attacking you. < 1340902927 429158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, what happens if a cow charges at you? < 1340902930 297195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can kill a person you don't own if they're attacking you. < 1340902931 774268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cows are really scary) < 1340902935 65176 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because for one thing police /do/ need to be able to defend themselves against guard dogs. < 1340902949 372724 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't really kill another person even if he does attack you. < 1340902953 803671 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is when they can get away with killing any dog that moves towards them. < 1340902957 344256 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ...yes you can? < 1340902965 981355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he just hits you in the face you can't. < 1340902971 30216 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any legal system which outlaws self-defence. < 1340902981 686883 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: self-defence is restricted to < 1340902985 288274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reasonable defence" < 1340903001 20552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing an opponent just because he hit you in the face is not reasonable. < 1340903002 668404 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor(" You can kill a person you don't own if they're attacking you."): that depends of the time we are in < 1340903009 665048 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and county! < 1340903015 636995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my country it is restricted. < 1340903032 267760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably are not even allowed to break his arm or something like that. < 1340903058 6895 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would definitely be allowed to break their arm. < 1340903068 80693 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some countries you can kill a woman if you sleep with another woman.(well that was in the newspaper...) < 1340903082 95375 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, if it constituted a defence from further assault. < 1340903094 131689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "Reasonable" is again pretty vague. I mean, I think in the states people can and do shoot regular burglars. There was this one guy who had his car stolen, and then when the thief was driving away, shot and killed him. If I'm not mistaken, that was considered reasonable. < 1340903094 968289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no. < 1340903096 363633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically < 1340903099 488208 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the line is actually drawn is determined, at least here, by a jury. < 1340903100 829805 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: self-defense is allowed I think < 1340903101 903619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he hit you in the face < 1340903102 967388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The states being the united ones. < 1340903106 623849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are NOT ALLOWED to do anything. < 1340903132 361343 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's basically impossible to actually say what they are ahead of time. < 1340903133 494981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then you would be hitting him. < 1340903135 608737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's illegal. < 1340903143 816941 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...except when it's in self-defence. < 1340903168 962938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-defence only counts while he's attacking. < 1340903174 376609 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which he is. < 1340903176 769116 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if somoen had a gun, and he was about to shoot you. Would you be allowed to kill or not?(if you coul) < 1340903177 734318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he hit you in the face once < 1340903179 900589 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*someone < 1340903188 382658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just stands there < 1340903193 560833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just go and hit him too. < 1340903208 930110 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs could kill < 1340903218 410076 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you couldn't < 1340903220 665832 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that < 1340903227 7021 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, except like I said it's up to the jury to decide whether it was reasonable to assume they would continue to attack. < 1340903234 588626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are allowed to defend yourself before an attack, or while he's still attacking. < 1340903237 950092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not after he attacked. < 1340903247 269006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's not defending anymore of course. < 1340903252 477171 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, if they punched you in the face then ran away it would probably be illegal to run them down and break their arm. < 1340903253 909736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine that designates a person's abode (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as a car or place of work) as a place in which the person has certain protections and immunities and may in certain circumstances use force, up to and including deadly force, to defend against an ... < 1340903260 394966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... intruder without becoming liable to prosecution." I mean, they have that thing. < 1340903308 165391 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: What broken country do you live in where self defense is illegal X_X < 1340903323 565359 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, /whois says Switzerland. < 1340903329 342896 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mroman: You are allowed to defend yourself before an attack, or while he's still attacking." Seems like it's legal. < 1340903330 149457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... SWITZERLAND? < 1340903335 142023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE THEY FORCE YOU ALL TO BE ARMED < 1340903336 634712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, self-defense is rather tightly controlled in Finland too. < 1340903342 46495 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did that earlier to see if he did live in a common-law country.) < 1340903345 157349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that your interpretation of the law is probably broken. < 1340903350 287564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna do an elliott and part until conversation improves < 1340903351 925507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340903352 613959 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Belgium, you can get around any law really < 1340903362 222742 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, how? < 1340903364 583281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They're armed to repel foreign intruders, you know. < 1340903372 653730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's besides the point ;) < 1340903378 304129 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting 'til there's no government again? < 1340903391 889805 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's full of back-doors < 1340903392 907193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well. < 1340903399 142985 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1340903404 13799 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very uncommon @you have to go to the army < 1340903414 137268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in european countries. < 1340903420 130085 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not belgium! < 1340903420 566461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's not it. < 1340903425 462941 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that's, like, self-defence against foreigners. < 1340903427 562218 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1340903437 306029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be a soldat, and you have to be a fire-fighter in switzerland. < 1340903438 53543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a Russian immigrated illegally and then robbed you < 1340903449 652908 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that allow you to shoot them in self-defence? < 1340903465 991014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully not. < 1340903477 978338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how he robbed you. < 1340903523 378821 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that was purely a joke aimed at fizzie. < 1340903590 856524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"olice officers have also recently shot dogs that were chained, tied, or leashed -- obviously posing no real threat to officers who killed them. " < 1340903595 728989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- Ok. That is SICK. < 1340903605 712942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but understandable. < 1340903610 903182 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340903611 598014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understandable? < 1340903616 784332 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there needs to be a grossly disproportionate punishment for being suspected of owning a small amount of a plant < 1340903618 253790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to recognize first that he's on a leash. < 1340903626 142307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but police officers should be trained to do so. < 1340903630 342379 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it sick. < 1340903643 788174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to make assumptions about the length of the leash. < 1340903649 321884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, calling it 'a plant' as if that's so ultra-reasonable is disingenuous. < 1340903652 683922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if he's on a leash he still might reach you. < 1340903663 258494 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: everyone knows what i'm talking about < 1340903673 587266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were also some stories like this one guy to whom the police said that "we won't harm your dog if you put him in the bathroom and close the door", then (after he had done so) went and opened the door, shot the dog, for no other apparent reason than to get some water to drink. < 1340903676 346522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you see. It is not that easy for a police officer. < 1340903682 643112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that also understandable? < 1340903688 382132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they could've been in danger of thirst. < 1340903689 25212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course; I'm saying that you're making out that it's completely ridiculous to regulate posession of a plant. < 1340903700 54193 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1340903704 838530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, no. < 1340903708 231390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@understandable < 1340903708 856143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340903714 374569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, regarding shooting someone who just tries to rob you, here's some Florida statutes: "a person is justified in the use of deadly force -- if: He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm -- A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm -- if: (a) The person against whom the ... < 1340903720 291987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, -- and (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred." < 1340903732 556097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really sounds quite much like you can shoot people who aren't directly in the process of attacking you personally. < 1340903747 927392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW killing burglars is definitely not legal in the UK. < 1340903760 864985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very much not legal here too. < 1340903779 676950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for US, I am under the impression that how legal it is varies quite much depending on the state in question. < 1340903802 330472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's allowed in switzerland @killing burglars. < 1340903806 826838 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be legal here if you caused an error in the investigation(causing you not to get any punishment) < 1340903827 118855 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'd need just 1 person on the inside to do that) < 1340903828 59166 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even technically your fault if a burglar falls down your staircaise. < 1340903839 361765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*case < 1340903839 864559 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, well come on, any legal system can be subverted from the inside. < 1340903864 14424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1340903864 822418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just "it would be legal here if you had a corrupt policeman on your side", which is true basically everywhere. < 1340903867 212754 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish law, is it less wrong to kill a burglar than a random guy? (assuming that you say you did not consider yourself to be in danger.) < 1340903878 875362 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true, but here you could just leak a single sentence of the documents and it would be fine < 1340903883 299876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for "not killing the dogs" if you pay the money to train police officers for such situations. < 1340903902 311699 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it says /in the article/ that they've been offered free training multiple times. < 1340903912 73075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every police officer? < 1340903916 493848 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the police's own damn fault to ensure the safety of the public from the police. < 1340903921 730373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they are idiots. < 1340903924 114506 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it seems like they were just having some sadistic fun. < 1340903930 746605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think there's a difference. The bit about "hätävarjelu" just says: "Aloitetun tai välittömästi uhkaavan oikeudettoman hyökkäyksen torjumiseksi tarpeellinen puolustusteko on hätävarjeluna sallittu, jollei teko ilmeisesti ylitä sitä, mitä on pidettävä kokonaisuutena arvioiden puolustettavana, kun otetaan huomioon hyökkäyksen laatu ja voimakkuus, puolustautujan ja ... < 1340903936 747621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hyökkääjän henkilö sekä muut olosuhteet." I haven't seen anything that would let you use more force when you're defending your home or some-such. < 1340903953 975762 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do Finnish sentencing laws work though. < 1340904010 942640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, well, there's also 5§ pakkotila: "Muun kuin edellä 4 §:ssä tarkoitetun, oikeudellisesti suojattua etua uhkaavan välittömän ja pakottavan vaaran torjumiseksi tarpeellinen teko on pakkotilatekona sallittu, jos teko on kokonaisuutena arvioiden puolustettava, kun otetaan huomioon pelastettavan edun ja teolla aiheutetun vahingon ja haitan laatu ja suuruus, vaaran alkuperä sekä ... < 1340904016 960993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... muut olosuhteet." So I guess you could argue something related to that if you were repelling a burglar, but not if you were just killing some random dude who hadn't done anything. < 1340904031 503484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I doubt they'd ever considered deadly force "reasonable". < 1340904041 165434 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340904222 41814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also even if you do something unreasonable, you can't get punished if it's not possible to reasonably expect you to have behaved otherwise in the situation, considering element of surprise etc. (I think that bit is there to give some leniency where you can't really make a full analysis of legality before acting.) < 1340904260 707848 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1340904315 945899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if e.g. the attacker has a fake gun and you hurt him trying to defend yourself, even though you weren't actually in any danger. < 1340904351 78723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently supplementary materials clarify it so that you have more wiggle room when defending your person than your property. < 1340904369 576100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here you shouldn't probably shoot after a car thief. < 1340904486 688671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that case was mostly interesting because the original car owner killed the thief, then afterwards the car hit someone else, and the someone else's insurance company argued the "acts of uninsured motorists" insurance won't cover it, because the car wasn't operated by an uninsured motorist (the thief), because he was dead at the time, and therefore could not be operating a vehicle. < 1340904495 346204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall how it actually went in the end. < 1340904513 814814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone was blaming the car owner of anything, though. < 1340904544 740176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340904604 361855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if he had died at the wheel and then it had hit someone>? < 1340904623 838244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. I think it should be an analoguous case. < 1340904638 948211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The fact that the jury came back with a verdict of $450,000 probably tells us something about what it thought of the insurer's position." < 1340904660 870705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those finn moneys < 1340904677 700750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this was a US blog. < 1340904752 281929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340904763 906486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340904772 178501 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay taneb, quick everyone talk about dogs again < 1340904790 992634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dog got attacked by a different dog a while back < 1340904800 654454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That dog later killed a third dog < 1340904808 65294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it shoot the third dog < 1340904813 94377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, apparently in New Zealand you shouldn't throw a spear into the head of someone who stole your wallet: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10502759 < 1340904817 83663 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the third dog coming right for it < 1340905378 678345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I found you four cases that illustrate self-defense, you can refer to these next time when you think whether you should kill a dude or not: http://sprunge.us/XIVh < 1340905406 131013 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I would never kill someone < 1340905411 707473 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wouldn't dare to < 1340905436 106760 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't understand finish) < 1340905448 402469 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but alright that wasn't for me) < 1340905539 396123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For non-Finns, in the last case someone guarding a a gas station had shot a burglar to the leg, causing permanent injury, and was fined 10000 FIM (about 1700 EUR, 2100 USD) because a gun was considered a too dangerous means for primary defense purposes for a private individual. < 1340905675 867564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in #3 someone had shot dead a dude that had broken in his house and threatened everyone there with a shotgun; apparently due to "fast escalation of the situation" it wasn't reasonable to expect him to be able to aim away from vital spots, so he wasn't convicted.) < 1340905744 312658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can in fact kill people here and get away with it, it just requires a very legitimate-looking threat and you probably should mostly be focusing on saving yourself and not especially much on killing the other guy.) < 1340905755 706773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not that easy to know where you can "safely" shoot someone. < 1340905765 34683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably go for the calves? < 1340905787 632934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing as safely shooting someone < 1340905796 640716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1340905801 505807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context safely means < 1340905806 365014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No permanent injury, not dead" < 1340905818 919017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "not bleeding to death within reasonable time" < 1340905842 497540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of an area of error are we allowing? < 1340905864 951074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Regular guy aim"-tolerance? < 1340905874 390965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 cm probably. < 1340905885 58154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have absolutely no idea < 1340905908 406115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never shot a gun. < 1340905923 51218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've shot an unloaded air pistol. < 1340905926 172589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that count? < 1340905936 400996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I assume someone who can is able to hit a circle with 5cm radius? < 1340905952 555110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for butt < 1340905973 309154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only heard that was the safest in the context of stabbing < 1340905982 745608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I would really assume that depends on the distance. < 1340905997 782485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1340906006 490417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of a robbery 10m is probably the maximum distance. < 1340906013 177907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've shot one of those air "rifle" things too. It had a bit of an issue that when you made it go from the loading mode "L" shape into the firing mode "|" shape, it had about 80% chance of automatically firing. In retrospect, it perhaps wasn't the safest device around? < 1340906057 39236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10m means he's standing in the living room and you're in the next room but can shoot him through the open door 10m < 1340906073 456782 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In this context safely means < 1340906073 655355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "No permanent injury, not dead" < 1340906075 316872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's just thinking of shooting your dog. < 1340906078 502715 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such place. < 1340906084 441516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was very old.) < 1340906097 571982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard so too. < 1340906104 761626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never guarantee you won't sever a nerve, for one thing. < 1340906110 726827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aparently shooting someone in the leg creates a pressure in the veins < 1340906127 362241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kill you even if its just a grazing shot. < 1340906129 539253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shooting someone in the leg carries a high risk of opening an artery. < 1340906203 827937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #3, the chosen place -- well, according to the text he didn't have a chance to aim at all -- was the chest. Even given that no place is safe, that was maybe not the optimal place. < 1340906240 666711 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated by the fact that he was threatening people with a shotgun. < 1340906245 510488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've seen that in movies! @chest < 1340906255 68862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Salt' maybe :) < 1340906271 958322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1340906295 527062 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried OOo Base. It wasn't very good. < 1340906305 19359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shooting someone in the chest is extremely dangerous but it's also far from a quick or even definite kill. < 1340906311 897873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, why would you < 1340906320 516304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: Where we decide just how much you can shoot someone. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340906348 722086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: *pretending to look surprised here* < 1340906350 271897 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: I think Proce has a really weird paradigm. One of these days, I need to rewrite the spec so that it actually makes sense. < 1340906366 691046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your underlying database, anyway? My? < 1340906386 852784 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're all in agreement that you should at least not shoot people a lot? < 1340906503 198915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's this sort of thing why I suggested we form a superhero team in Glasgow < 1340906510 274368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and we can both get there by train < 1340906578 902091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can shoot people? < 1340906590 922888 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my underlying database is whatever I feel like installing. < 1340906594 456917 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like installing anything. < 1340906617 719062 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Sqlite is already installed. < 1340906626 5037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I had somehow assumed administration of an existing database. < 1340906648 293948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a Firefox extension for that. < 1340906682 375347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's kind-of half-self-contained. < 1340906766 812866 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340906781 948053 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have is a personal database, containing tables that are just to-do lists or such things. < 1340906800 887802 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340906823 357643 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I am not a computer program, I don't particularly feel like writing a SQL query every time I want to do something. < 1340906874 125299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're implying that the matrix does not exist, eh? < 1340906916 661020 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me rephrase that. I am not a computer program whose source code I can feasibly rewrite. < 1340906928 772347 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if I can, I don't know how. < 1340907092 460034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, so we can stop other people shooting yet other people < 1340907112 290423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a database like that once, and I made it out of sqlite and a quick-and-dirty UI using some scripting language and a curses-like package. But that's of course a hassle. < 1340907147 213632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it wasn't exactly like that, and had some things for which a program was handy. < 1340907377 482061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340907486 942986 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have much gun crime in the UK... < 1340907575 40164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all of our crime is gun crime in the states. < 1340907576 975542 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we balance out. < 1340907775 35294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do have shitloads of knife crime and, increasingly, sword crime, so there's that. < 1340907784 286258 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have any crime in finland < 1340907881 173309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no crime in Murdertopia! < 1340907887 813129 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everything's legal in Murdertopia! < 1340907913 739038 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't count victimless crimes and finns are not people < 1340907925 202502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about beating up swedes < 1340907930 209665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a crime in finland < 1340908308 923435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traditional Finnish crime is axe crime. < 1340908389 181573 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/crime/pastime/ < 1340908428 222079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sword crime? really? < 1340908482 307418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Työttömyys, viina, kirves ja perhe / lumihanki, poliisi ja viimeinen erhe", they sing in a well-known song. (Butchering the lyrics, that's something like "unemployment, booze, an axe and the family / a snowbank, the police and the final mistake".) < 1340908620 336044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The song also has parts that are not just listing related words.) < 1340908705 86284 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you cry out of happiness? < 1340908737 374345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a work-safe song. < 1340908759 469644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why do you ask? < 1340908766 383147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a translated song title too. < 1340908768 864800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340908769 834958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340908776 428059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mention an axe later? I only know the first bit. < 1340908778 807612 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know those lyrics, because i've always stopped listening after would you cry out of happiness if i fucked you real nice. < 1340908802 94771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, it apparently goes to rather different themes afterwards, fancy that. < 1340908803 867818 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first few seconds, iirc the song has no repetition) < 1340908818 531828 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340908833 847977 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340908837 909838 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess i accidentally admitted i have heard the whole song) < 1340908838 308816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually in a rather non-Finnish turn of events, it seems to be about gun crime instead. < 1340908881 170150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they repeat the bit about how unfairly luck is shared among people. < 1340908891 670608 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340908908 929275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the part about fucking. < 1340908910 679967 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that does sound chorusy. < 1340908940 805228 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got the album when i was something like 10 so that was the only part i cared about. < 1340909074 779697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I work on SICP a little despite being sleep deprived? < 1340909129 179096 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't quite get this song. < 1340909131 529749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a lyrics site has done the ä/ae translation, resulting in the song "Ei Saeaestae Perheen Koiraakaan". (That song, incidentally, also includes an axe. Or at least refers to one.) < 1340909153 434026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'saeaestae' makes quite a word. < 1340909174 52739 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340909197 941930 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i said would you cry out of happiness, i tried to ask if the line was from that. < 1340909204 998355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340909206 273271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1340909208 528241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasn't. < 1340909212 300059 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a google search had those in the same entry < 1340909221 936479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1340909245 289803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from The Land of Mournful Songs. < 1340909307 23092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second stanza, the protagonist is all set to never even get an axe; in the fifth, well... < 1340909311 936820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The quote was from that.) < 1340909312 537063 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have a random collection of their songs < 1340909382 959491 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340909389 202031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know the songs that they play on the radio. Or played, I guess. < 1340909510 294868 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to play some of the songs with a couple of friends (a bit over 10 years ago) < 1340909521 599754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think there was a parody version of that "voi kuinka me sinua kaivataan" song. < 1340909618 502851 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, sword crime? really? < 1340909660 339597 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; IIRC they were becoming more and more popular amongst organised criminals. < 1340909686 402257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because nobody bothered to regulate them at first, although that changed fairly quickly. < 1340909742 423969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually saw something about that somewhere. < 1340909760 245994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of setting up some sword regulation laws. < 1340909817 356901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was just extending the existing knife laws to swords, admittedly. < 1340910057 966474 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it legal to kill with a sword? < 1340910074 492956 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340910103 63953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1340910152 768810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dexterity Software > Personal Development for Smart People < 1340910155 392852 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that thing with the crossbow and the hill in Wales (or is it York)? < 1340910180 370495 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very helpful Sgeo now you might want to say that to some people who know what either of those things are. < 1340910221 864022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a blog post on Personal Development for Smart People: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/02/1111/ < 1340910228 322775 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even sure i know what Smart People means < 1340910249 402862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'd link you to Dexterity Software, but Steve took it down to focus on... the blog I just linked < 1340910251 830480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is dexterity software is a product for smart people made by an eponymous copany < 1340910263 779720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^company < 1340910294 82328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... ieponymous i spell correctly < 1340910297 896749 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eddiewdjiewdjiewjioewjdiewjiowe < 1340910307 734960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i feel a proper prat < 1340910473 684913 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340910515 402853 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, web archive of Dexterity Software http://web.archive.org/web/20031218062802/http://www.dexterity.com/ < 1340910536 993536 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Phantom_Hoover here's the info you were requesting. < 1340910552 109820 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340910554 179801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340910558 915830 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sgeo now i can enjoy this even more < 1340910571 902546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :......I was able to actually download one of the game demos o.O < 1340910599 862597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the name of that firefox add-on that allows you to modify how pages display, overriding parts of them. SomethingMonkey iirc? < 1340910617 843146 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, after the esolanger < 1340910630 37749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340910640 595825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen him in a while < 1340910653 580526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why is there no information included AT which cell a constant stops? <-- i think until recently there were no examples without balanced loops so it was easy to deduce. < 1340910658 674726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is there a GreaseMonkey for chrome I wonder.. < 1340910710 145296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, esolangers are incompatible with chrome. see: Gregor < 1340910720 634111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Gregor have against chrome? < 1340910755 255970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergy. < 1340910763 512450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1340910781 261943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes strong winds in the sky today
< 1340910793 671439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a semi-compatible thing, I believe. < 1340910793 870012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.greasemonkeyforchrome.com/ < 1340910797 367538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched off my humor engine for today < 1340910800 198135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks < 1340910865 982748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :support built in or what? Huh < 1340910909 169793 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: chrome refers to colors, and Gregor is allergic to certain colors < 1340910920 648668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well all I want to do is actually override some CSS. < 1340910936 370418 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only some really obscure ones, and it's just a slight eye rash, but still) < 1340910965 102919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/87474461/1/Beetle?h=516644 <-- i am reminded of the book Tordyveln flyger i skymningen < 1340910966 159474 :FoREALien!~FoREALien@c-98-225-49-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340910991 782732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the original swedish title, of course i read it in norwegian) < 1340910996 261541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that title sounds slightly familiar. No clue what it is about though < 1340911052 895373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair it's a children's mystery with mystical elements. the namesake tordivel is an omen... < 1340911065 715080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1340911084 875996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think there were egyptian mummies involved, or something like that < 1340911140 332090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever read that < 1340911150 680893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks of one more thing but that would be a major spoiler.
< 1340911162 316870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway the thing was not a tordyvel < 1340911183 538177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but the tordyvel in the book was a stand-in for an egyptian scarab < 1340911193 117388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1340911253 695148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that your picture looks like the one on wikipedia for that, but anyway the exact species is flexible for this :P < 1340911313 8076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when am I anti-Chrome. < 1340911323 191677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340911323 390457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Firefox, but I hate every browser. < 1340911326 262278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340911328 129232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf check the first picture of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarabaeidae#Gallery :P < 1340911342 154397 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :winds are indeed strong today < 1340911465 120669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by that i mean, compare to Vorpal's pictures at https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/87474461/1/Beetle?h=516644) < 1340911488 518263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may of course just be similar. < 1340911490 263270 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once found a scarab beetle in the garden < 1340911527 534369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was dead, but i won't go on < 1340911550 866154 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are not only the same type of beetle, they are actually the _same beetle_ < 1340911560 390368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: PLAUSIBLE < 1340911577 30443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have liked a picture that was from the same angle... < 1340911630 359115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can see his face < 1340911636 462287 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't mistake those eyes < 1340911649 369415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: kind of like if turtles took photos of humans and 2 different turtles uploded it to different websites and my eyes are so tired i am typing with my eyes shut < 1340911667 303736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340911670 6565 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1340911698 590520 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the channels I've on have gone crazy today. < 1340911729 485926 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't be much of an achievement except my touch typing style is all a,s,space k,o,shift < 1340911752 298120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&safe=off&biw=1071&bih=594&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=chiloloba+acuta&oq=chiloloba+acuta&gs_l=img.3...14015.21281.0.21703.17.7.1.9.9.0.297.1000.0j1j3.4.0...0.0.I15OjvwskpQ has some such pictures, they don't look convincingly _that_ similar. < 1340911828 677908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Green_Scarab_Beetle_(Chiloloba_acuta)_W_IMG_3433.jpg in particular < 1340911960 738491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey wait your pictures are named "Cetonia Aurata" < 1340912013 41466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's also a scarabaeid < 1340912277 59981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you discussed it in channel < 1340912303 56989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the chiloloba is a better fit to your pictures than the cetonia, even if it's still not perfect < 1340912436 947019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetonia_aurata#In_popular_culture XD < 1340912615 318133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just updated family-tree < 1340912616 310699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to guess the swedish book was _inspired_ by that Jung story
< 1340912897 580083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are a bunch of related candidates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cetoniinae50.jpg < 1340912946 371387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:48 < mroman> I'm tempted to create Beamjoust :) < 1340912968 206305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read in which channel I am than just assume in which channel I left the computer :D < 1340912974 8265 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340913075 736057 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340913124 572583 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340913147 546029 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340913445 443128 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As far as I've learned from my time on the Internet, First Amendment rights are violated whenever any of the following happen:" < 1340913448 911347 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1. A person is told to shut up by a moderator or administrator." < 1340913451 265282 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2. A person is told to shut up by an ordinary community member." < 1340913453 789777 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3. A person is told their ideas are stupid." < 1340913468 994908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the first amendment? < 1340913477 789299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US law < 1340913485 938490 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :US free speech law < 1340913508 344602 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically says Congress can't outlaw religion or speech < 1340913511 51195 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says you are allowed to speak < 1340913516 307728 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :second is that you are allowed to walk < 1340913517 96841 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as free speech < 1340913531 613537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any country that allows free spech. < 1340913535 84460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you live in an isolationist, far right country < 1340913558 538204 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where he lisev? < 1340913561 614711 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lives < 1340913568 671453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland, I believe < 1340913573 940254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sury there is no free speech in the US. < 1340913575 812003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1340913595 656767 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to at least pretend there is < 1340913597 362784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't say whatever the heck you wan't it's not *really* _free_ speech. < 1340913616 494557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's free speech, but you can not say that, this nor that thing. < 1340913641 242895 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: like if you walk to a shop and say you have a gun and are going to start killing if they don't give you everything < 1340913652 306276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1340913655 300281 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1340913663 846847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf check the first picture of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarabaeidae#Gallery :P <-- it has more hair around the edges? < 1340913672 921073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to deny the holocaust. < 1340913680 159924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's forbidden to say that. < 1340913683 36446 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't? < 1340913685 332150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are racism laws. < 1340913685 557928 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1340913695 979512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that it is forbidden to say certain things. < 1340913697 287354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not forbidden to deny the holocaust < 1340913699 921960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll demonstrate < 1340913707 495154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is in my country. < 1340913707 873943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The holocaust never happened < 1340913714 492435 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in israel it is < 1340913715 706019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: hey wait your pictures are named "Cetonia Aurata" <-- Deewiant figured out what they were, so I renamed the files < 1340913721 282580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you live in a far-right isolationist country < 1340913726 531366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the confusion of log reading! yay) < 1340913736 346978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still have racism laws in the US? < 1340913743 119557 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm in the UK < 1340913753 589112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: i think the chiloloba is a better fit to your pictures than the cetonia, even if it's still not perfect <-- hm? Which one is that? < 1340913777 853496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't publicly say that "$Those-People are $Bad-Thing" < 1340913794 206426 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there's racism laws in finland as well, but they are about as meaningful as piracy laws unless you're famous. unless it's a direct insult ofc. < 1340913795 237932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the one in the gallery. actually i'm not sure any more. < 1340913804 274159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which completely busts free speech. < 1340913812 930859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that one seems to exist in India, not Sweden < 1340913816 140853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, get a grip < 1340913818 610711 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340913818 809490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free speech means to me, that you can state your opinion, no matter what opinion you have. < 1340913827 94270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has to agree with your opinion, but you are allowed to say it. < 1340913839 641337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thats just not allowed in most (european) countries. < 1340913842 375875 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free speech does not mean you must be allowed to act on your opinion < 1340913859 897761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, yes. < 1340913860 151531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway mine had the faint white streaks that the Swedish wikipedia on the type we went for mentioned < 1340913875 173833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "speech" somehow implies to me, that you can say your opinion publicly < 1340913896 559634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are allowed to say "I don't like those people" < 1340913908 338231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're not allowed to say "Kill those people whenever you see them" < 1340913916 134623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're a government < 1340913918 650140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1340913922 743912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Kill those people < 1340913923 378070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340913930 561416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1340913938 463389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot just noted to kill those people. < 1340913939 423541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net NICK :those < 1340913941 85496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sick! < 1340913941 327742 :those!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340913941 846025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340913942 794264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340913946 42614 :those!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340913946 686470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 24s ago: people < 1340913952 339680 :those!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1340913955 117760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it does fuzzy matching on command < 1340913958 266094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands* < 1340913964 28266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it went kill -> tell I guess < 1340913970 376965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hamming distance is just 2 after all! < 1340913972 253894 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is @kill really @tell < 1340913993 957454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Kill nortti maybe? < 1340913994 363304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340913998 333889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And what does that mean for free speech if I can't say "Kill those people" < 1340914004 830774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that somebody ever should say something like that < 1340914015 253870 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why? < 1340914015 452954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, because it's provocative of violence < 1340914015 651159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340914023 525735 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340914023 744432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner said 29s ago: maybe? < 1340914028 449959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kill all humans < 1340914029 156157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: keal kind tell < 1340914035 339746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1340914040 910459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1340914045 570244 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kill oerjan bwahahaha < 1340914045 768792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: keal kind tell < 1340914050 717748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is. < 1340914053 773556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Kill all humans < 1340914054 386036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340914059 975841 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kill oerjan foo < 1340914060 176835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: keal kind tell < 1340914067 54235 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Kill oerjan foo < 1340914067 253940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1340914077 942233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the fact that you are not allowed to *say* that sentence somehow tells me that the idea of "free speech" is not that "free". < 1340914078 423539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA < 1340914078 998347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1340914081 758981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1340914082 405516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti said 15s ago: foo < 1340914101 6512 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "free speech" really meant that you can say absolutely anything you like in any possible situation, then free speech could naturally never be allowed. < 1340914104 394411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more or less "You can say what you want, except what we don't whant you to say" < 1340914105 422192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what sentence? < 1340914111 479775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you're allowed to say it, just not where a lot of people who view you as a leader can listen? < 1340914113 105769 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunnoi < 1340914135 207042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My knowledge of the legal procedure in my own country is limited, much less in the US and Switzerland < 1340914143 799219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Which is why "free speech" does not exist to me ;) < 1340914156 453784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what it boils down to is you can say what you like, but people can also react how they like to what you say < 1340914165 226287 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well okay, but then that's kind of a stupid definition < 1340914167 410369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :free speech in it's purest form at least. < 1340914180 891731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the concept of free is moot in the case i describe < 1340914186 201730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with the name of it. < 1340914203 210135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In German its "Meinungsfreiheit: Jeder hat das Recht seine Meinung frei zu äussern" < 1340914203 636532 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most important things in life happen via speech < 1340914207 283353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that famous "shouting fire in a crowded theater" example which i think some us supreme court judge came up with < 1340914212 893549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means in english: Everyone has the right to state his opinion. < 1340914223 611611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the fact is: He can not. < 1340914226 950674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and what did they conclude on that? < 1340914245 850645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means the sentence "Everyone has the right to state his opinion" is bogus. < 1340914250 839460 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is not true. < 1340914253 768979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ahh rights.. i don't know what a right is fundamentally. i tried asking my mum once. she didn't give me a clear answer < 1340914273 241500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so read up on it instead? < 1340914273 926220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same applies to the freedom of religion thingy < 1340914278 132986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you call that ;) < 1340914286 82175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not exist either. < 1340914288 728730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well this was years ago :P < 1340914299 546123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340914299 785890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a fancy name like "free speech" but that's it. < 1340914302 544944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, honestly i don't think anyone could define precisely what a right is < 1340914309 523899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater < 1340914324 351324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a right at it's most fundamental level is beyond analysis < 1340914324 668408 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i don't think it's the stating the opinion that's outlawed, you can tell it to your friends and if a cop finds out he won't care. < 1340914348 218166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1340914353 98084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340914354 803944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying you hate niggers is just, i suppose, a weak version of telling someone to kill someone < 1340914365 11833 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1340914387 592136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBI: for the record, I do not hate niggers, do do I deny the holocaust happened < 1340914392 474853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIA: ditto < 1340914398 669752 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340914407 473798 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1340914412 245656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you can probably still say that you think saying "I like to kill black people" should be allowed though < 1340914413 839240 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1340914416 902665 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i believe is.. < 1340914432 459200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, "do do"? < 1340914444 881948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/do do/nor do/ < 1340914449 390355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] i tried asking my mum once. she didn't give me a clear answer <-- did it end with "but you still have to clean your room"? < 1340914450 711505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what's wrong with me < 1340914451 790272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, weird typo < 1340914461 243566 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBI and CIA: i hate niggers, the holocaust did not happen, and my hd is full of snuff, child pornography and secret al qaeda documents. < 1340914466 842041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1340914468 103887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have nothing against these laws < 1340914477 575778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they should be defined in other words, so that they actually are true. < 1340914482 242213 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, ideally if someone claims to hold a racist view, it would be nice if they could actually be exposed to experiences of living and working alongside the race they claim to hate < 1340914487 559248 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else: j/k < 1340914488 777203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1340914490 150692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :else there just a sharade. < 1340914532 641680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1340914536 866226 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think for the most part segregation itself gives rise to racist views < 1340914553 435265 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i think there are also racists who are much more deeply racist < 1340914554 728860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone has the right to state his opinion, unless it interferes with the general public opinion of the corresponding topic. < 1340914563 507049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I managed to here sharade as façade < 1340914567 175970 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can... < 1340914578 748804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that ;) < 1340914586 773948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone recommend a psychiatrist? < 1340914589 424588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so you're not really up to snuff? < 1340914595 877775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*charade < 1340914607 130802 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a pun i'm missing? < 1340914611 964623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I believe it is a fear of the unknown, so yes segregation doesn't help. But then why did that segregation happen originally? < 1340914614 704508 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :snuff is not a victimless crime < 1340914622 360982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :snuff? < 1340914627 999720 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the rest < 1340914628 415150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes there is < 1340914636 458470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snuff is in the stuff you stick up your nose < 1340914637 753885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the pun? < 1340914639 165712 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently playing a trumpet with oboe fingering. < 1340914640 679314 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surreal. < 1340914644 85322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, don't you need an ear doctor instead then? < 1340914644 554908 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a victimless probably non-crime < 1340914650 799905 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay cp i guess can be a bit victimful now that i look at my list :D < 1340914651 168280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340914661 529712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not if I heard it on the inside of my head < 1340914663 265835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"up to snuff" is a phrase, meaning something like competent < 1340914663 464610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is super surreal o_O < 1340914675 457882 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1340914684 466621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hearing things on the inside of your head is in general a bad thing < 1340914688 148023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, where is elliott? < 1340914721 881705 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, dunno, I don't exactly have any contact with him outside this channel and occasionally private messages and #haskell and #esoteric-minecraft < 1340914729 402975 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay did not know that one < 1340914732 662905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can you record it? A video preferably < 1340914752 539769 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the saying only makes sense if you think snuff is the greatest form of entertainment in the world. < 1340914755 671817 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, mroman: I /just/ got this electronic wind instrument yesterday, gimme a break < 1340914755 869999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, isn't hexham like a small village kind of deal? < 1340914775 695179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, almost 12000 people < 1340914779 97846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play a Flugelhorn. < 1340914789 626339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not /tiny/ < 1340914796 796494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, electronic wind instrument? That explains it. Also it sounds awesome < 1340914803 721379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a midi port on the side? < 1340914808 407789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, what does it look like? < 1340914810 321019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the electronic part of it? < 1340914812 218756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well especially the case where it might be claimed i am racist.. i would at least like exposure to the group i hate < 1340914832 150851 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have never met elliott, nor do I plan to < 1340914834 22752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would seem they get some great deal of joy out of labelling my hate < 1340914841 466694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, eh? Are you a racist? < 1340914846 477248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, good for you < 1340914847 548698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By mutual agreement < 1340914851 238844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you some sort of elliott-racist! < 1340914856 541899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why? < 1340914876 281725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the discussion occured in this channel < 1340914882 235441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1340914882 463502 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.akaipro.com/ewiusb < 1340914887 769519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a standard USB MIDI device. < 1340914897 542479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls back in the 90s or so reading that snuff in the strict sense wasn't proved to exist, and vaguely wonders if that's still true.
< 1340914900 80390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main reason is that we're ridiculously similar in terms of tastes and location that meeting will destroy the universe < 1340914908 689258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does it have a speaker built in? < 1340914911 744147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be a Bad Thing < 1340914950 977806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my point is, i am aware of no benefit derived of being racist.. so i would expect the majority of racists would like the chance to remedy their racism < 1340914965 821688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that is hugely wishful thinking < 1340914969 319014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think the world works that way... < 1340914970 729598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm descended from the elliott clan on my mother's side! < 1340914982 68627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually sort of true) < 1340914986 449290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, why would the Bible belt in US still exist? < 1340914990 617827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if racism is a symptom of some other problem < 1340914999 301084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The existence of for-profit snuff films is generally considered an urban legend.", so still the same i guess < 1340915028 775830 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it wouldn't go away < 1340915030 361818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is the ground plate for on those screenshots? Electrical ground? < 1340915041 591096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I never played a wind instrument, I don't know the terminology) < 1340915093 726769 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No speaker, it's just a MIDI device. It has nothing to do with either electrical grounding or wind instruments. Well, maybe it does have to do with electrical grounding, it has something to do with how it does touch-detection of the pitch bend area. < 1340915109 796520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340915129 620110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the benefits for the racist are the same as those of the bully.. having someone to pick on and blame for things and exploit < 1340915164 777194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does it work well (the instrument in general, not the ground plate in specific) < 1340915176 383085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extremely, actually. < 1340915183 930492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you surprised? < 1340915198 606707 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I paid $250 for it, so my expectations weren't low, but I'm not disappointed. < 1340915208 950145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my habit of sticking to a topic years after it has been dropped is awkward in such cases < 1340915216 76708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what happens if you try to suck air in instead? < 1340915223 721538 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You die. < 1340915233 743417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, seriously though? < 1340915236 905288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has near zero airflow, so that's mostly just very unpleasant. < 1340915239 816444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't hurt anything. < 1340915240 111247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340915251 732677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how can it work with near zero airflow?! < 1340915259 694171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense to me < 1340915298 383442 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't produce sound, it just needs a pressure sensor. In principle it could have no airflow whatsoever, but it does have a little bit. < 1340915318 698276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it must be very different to play then from normal wind instruments < 1340915332 71430 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that it's most similar to an oboe, which also has very low airflow. < 1340915343 575580 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, real woodwind players apparently complain about its low airflow. < 1340915346 708872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since instead of stopping breathing out you need to breath in to stop the tone? < 1340915353 530504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340915358 614943 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no, you don't X-D < 1340915362 709685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1340915364 591422 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to stop applying pressure. < 1340915389 485613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is why it has a tiny bit of airflow then < 1340915395 403397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no electric flutes then? < 1340915398 111003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just enough to be possible ^^ < 1340915413 798722 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Naw, they all simulate direct-blown instrument, no transverse. < 1340915426 262629 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft/ < 1340915431 827085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are electric brass too, but those are crazy-expensive and I'm no lip buzzing expert anyway. < 1340915452 889968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Naw, they all simulate direct-blown instrument, no transverse. <-- not all flutes are transverse afaik? < 1340915464 655551 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "flute" usually refers to concert flutes, which are. < 1340915472 664283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other kinds of flutes are lame and everybody hates them. < 1340915514 282512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right English calls "blockflöjt" "recorder" < 1340915524 646356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish "flute" is part of the name of that instrument < 1340915540 912251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some English dialects, recorders are considered a type of flute. < 1340915548 202807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340915548 511576 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually the word "flute" refers to concert flutes, which are transverse. < 1340915550 153210 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340915579 434293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about pan flutes, they are transverse still < 1340915585 711322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the same as concert flute < 1340915602 343857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not called a flute in English either < 1340915603 964337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1340915625 34638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the article name is Pan flute, but the intro text reads "pan pipe". < 1340915636 700832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's confusing < 1340915722 724073 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340916219 506232 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called a pan flute, yes X-D < 1340916230 889702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much any woodwind that doesn't have a reed is a kind of flute. < 1340916241 881813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the only one you mean when you don't specify is a concert flute. < 1340916267 1837 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone said "I play a flute" and then pulled out their recorder or pan flute, you'd call them a dirty liar and punch them in the face. < 1340916354 353827 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I would. < 1340916378 494087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say "Indeed you do", because all flutes are flutes < 1340916384 344588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340916397 388557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I see < 1340916430 765688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't think there is such a strong connotation of concert flute in the Swedish word "flöjt", though I < 1340916445 343346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm* not a professional musician < 1340916455 277413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe in those circles that connotation exists < 1340916587 477478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal • I guess that is why it has a tiny bit of airflow then" erm, you do know that air tends to balance its pressure? you don't need any airflow. < 1340916641 568267 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was no airflow, it would be even easier to blow forever (ofc not very hard anyway) < 1340916661 400603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes obviously, the issue was stopping, not continuing < 1340916712 940557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1073/ < 1340916717 619911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea how you could blow a wind instrument forever though. I know there is a way to do it, I just don't know how < 1340916730 240458 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but why the heck would you need to breathe in to stop it o_O < 1340916733 924539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we? < 1340916759 130937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, to reduce the absolute pressure on the pressure sensor so it stops making sound? < 1340916776 599090 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think the air pressure increases when you blow and then stays that way until someone explicitly reduces the pressure by sucking? < 1340916780 943831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one revoke his citizen ship and live in the next forrest for the rest of his live where every day would be saturday? < 1340916781 974375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I assume the sound making is a linear function of the applied pressure compared to ambient pressure? < 1340916804 412645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think if you don't allow it to flow back out then it will stay? < 1340916828 5794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, of course you could just let it flow back in < 1340916834 35995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to actively sucking < 1340916866 39644 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. okay so yeah if it was a fucking balloon with a one-way valve which somehow still lets stuff out when it's being sucked on i guess. < 1340916892 879518 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i think we're imagining some details very differently < 1340916908 25395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite probably the issue yes < 1340916915 641844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how the actual sensor work < 1340916919 377819 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are imagining some sort of insane flabberfleming and i'm imagining something sensible. < 1340916929 666584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, a what? < 1340916934 194255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "flabberfleming"? < 1340916935 795434 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flabberfleming < 1340916943 528569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is? < 1340916956 161588 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly what it sounds like. < 1340916963 86846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea what that is < 1340916983 566371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does google < 1340917009 459367 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a balloon with a one-way valve that is actually only one-way when one atmosphere of pressure is on the outside, but when less, it lets air out (not depending on pressure inside) < 1340917019 577041 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also an instrument < 1340917037 871142 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a flabberfleming. < 1340917062 403104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340917113 358926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway I'm basically modelling it as a cavity with a small pipe, which you put in your mouth. I was not implying a value, nor was I implying that you would need to actively suck, just that you would need to let air flow back in your mouth to release the pressure. You can't just stop increasing the pressure, the pressure must be reduced to match ambient pressure outside the instrument < 1340917114 334713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1340917122 672515 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when you suck on it, almost no air flows, so i suppose the balloon doesn't empty through the mouthpiece when you suck < 1340917151 608787 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i see what you mean. < 1340917188 549374 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i preferred my flabberfleming interpretation though < 1340917232 490272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, while an instrument where air flows through would over time go back to ambient pressure, depending on how much air is allowed to flow through (and the size of the cavity) this may take a long time or happen very quickly < 1340917242 929522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... i have seen the future of gaming. but i do like this topic of flabberfleming < 1340917260 951608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want it to be rather slow to work properly though, since it is not the air flow as such that is creating the sound < 1340917263 783545 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a balloon with a one-way valve that is actually only one-way when one atmosphere of pressure is on the outside, but when less, it lets air out (not depending on pressure inside) < 1340917271 813903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural is flabberflemma btw. < 1340917303 334368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that... just an open aperture? < 1340917360 895932 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1340917368 957359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh I thought he described a one-way valve that can electronically be overriden. It would need three pressure sensors and a micro controller chip I think... < 1340917413 654654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you need one to detect ambient pressure, and one on either side of the one-way valve < 1340917424 23515 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340917436 612628 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would be a bit surprised if this gadget had a name < 1340917438 778223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not need the one on the inside (except for the music part) < 1340917451 30342 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from "flabberfleming mouthpiece" ofc < 1340917614 700115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah I doubt that word has any synonyms < 1340917669 712374 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :graphene < 1340917684 778064 :graphene!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1340918977 405031 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D33E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340919003 930760 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D33E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340919260 918844 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D33E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340919982 931888 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340919990 325755 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340921282 462167 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340921498 684188 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: whats proce < 1340921644 882333 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340921656 737029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there? < 1340921665 806982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where /is/ elliott? < 1340921687 585828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left because he finds the level of discourse beneath his standards, as usual. < 1340921696 41027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1340921710 543067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he is still connected < 1340921758 263077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in any channels from what I can see (so he doesn't share any with me and has +s set, or if +s is not set, is not in any channels that are not +s) < 1340922344 870198 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340922608 441864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1340922657 416043 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Proce < 1340922932 928564 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340922934 177063 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1340922948 894834 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts rewriting ye spec.
< 1340922960 174849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope? Haven't seen that guy for ages, did he switch nick or something < 1340922966 38298 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1340922985 490435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1340922999 216692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340923003 410951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's ihope? < 1340923006 15324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats tswett too for good measure-----###
< 1340923024 625638 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't he change his nick to "kerlo" or something? < 1340923025 445808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ha! < 1340923030 330681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"measure-----###"! < 1340923035 405421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your new swatter. < 1340923040 689790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1340923047 963655 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does this mean I've been swatted for good? < 1340923058 637523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1340923075 594298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't remember were he went < 1340923077 91561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1340923086 439799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he used to change nick a lot < 1340923094 871778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say XD < 1340923095 762501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is all I remember < 1340923105 241618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no clue who he is currently < 1340923113 69138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who is he currently < 1340923116 419876 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm changing the page for Proce to say it was invented by Tanner Swett. < 1340923118 485673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1340923149 289874 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember ihope < 1340923150 531169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so you are ihope? < 1340923168 520649 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say ihope had a tendency to take credit for my work. < 1340923199 508904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have the complete clogs logs I should be able to do a query to the database I stored it in and track who he currently is < 1340923208 494428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that is on a computer that is currently booted to windows < 1340923209 976979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it < 1340923220 129472 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really matters. < 1340923231 30429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thwarted my microsoft < 1340923260 328198 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, come to think of it, I hope he's doing all right... < 1340923265 41621 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :...erm, no pun intended. < 1340923318 243873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thwarted by computer games :P < 1340923336 436503 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we could email him. I think his email address is ihope127@gmail.com or something. < 1340923342 410544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I'm kind of bored of nethack, wesnoth, neverwinter nights 1 and uh... < 1340923345 482458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's it) < 1340923392 899473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog tswett.*ihope < 1340923416 145117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, might have gone through more nicks in between < 1340923430 634371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340923433 388765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog tswett.*ihope < 1340923455 659443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-05-16.txt:10:23:17: tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope < 1340923465 691074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal, right < 1340923474 675465 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of pseudonyms. < 1340923488 791482 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "tswett" isn't a pseudonym. It's just a nym. < 1340923505 168808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really remember that unaffiliated guy < 1340923509 837845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340923524 705505 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1340923526 154955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes his work is apparent everywhere < 1340923538 744591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, he even messed up my whois! < 1340923544 229797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340923548 547733 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit has a post voted to +3 advocating the genocide of the Palestinians. < 1340923560 11748 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what school ihope is going to nowadays? < 1340923563 834249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, be happy it isn't more than +3 < 1340923573 998390 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit's normally anti-Israel! < 1340923577 167026 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I heard a rumor he was going to Stanford or something. < 1340923580 38569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: he probably dropped out long ago < 1340923587 659515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway surely that is against the TOS (advocating genocide) < 1340923593 658212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could report it < 1340923600 298587 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly wouldn't be surprised... < 1340923608 120581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this sinking feeling it's because they dressed it up as anti-Islamism which reddit is very fond of. < 1340923614 819234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spamming, no vote buying, and no advocating genocide. < 1340923640 576382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh < 1340923772 265695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've frequently been thinking what we need is for some mad scientist to grow a volcano right at the temple mount. < 1340923776 541015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big one. < 1340923787 975076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing a sawtooth wave with oboe fingerings. < 1340923790 80415 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LIFE IS COMPLETE. < 1340923817 156995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should start auditing for scifi movies < 1340923822 726276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1340923832 230993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*auditioning < 1340923833 390529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is this youtube channel of a really amazing violinist that I'm subscribed to, but I can't figure out why the most watched video of her is dubstep violin with over 19 000 000 views, compared to the usual average of 5 000 000... < 1340923839 401258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just doesn't make sense to me. < 1340923844 634451 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what does that mean? < 1340923850 45622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I don't understand popular culture very well < 1340923851 881789 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: More or less exactly what it says. < 1340923858 281297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can anyone enlighten me on this < 1340923862 243092 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.112.175.187 PART :#esoteric < 1340924173 75732 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unary operations (including multiplication) take precedence over binary operations." < 1340924183 802257 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling there's something stupid about that sentence. < 1340924187 447044 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what are you playing it on? < 1340924190 283180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ... unary multiplication? < 1340924191 39815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340924207 205385 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax for multiplication is number "*" . < 1340924224 534588 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "*" only takes one function as an argument, not two, it is clearly a unary operation. < 1340924239 53568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which language is this? < 1340924244 701711 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proce. < 1340924258 346375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you wrote that language, you should know what is going on < 1340924266 830982 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, yes. < 1340924294 531074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so * returns a function that multiplies by something? < 1340924326 204753 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"function" is really a silly word for what that syntax element represents. It should be "signal". < 1340924333 178156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1340924346 570459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so how is number "*" evaluated? < 1340924365 172350 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it multiplies the signal by a constant. < 1340925067 906889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340925768 582669 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo. The spec for Proce is now something reasonable. < 1340925774 520227 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement it one of these days. < 1340925834 242030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh I was looking at the sensors of my phone. Amongst the expected accelerometer, magnetic, gyro, proximity and so on there is a rather odd pressure sensor. Air pressure that is according to the documentation < 1340925859 751242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1340925945 167377 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340925960 341150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are more commonly called "microphones". < 1340925982 563430 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340926009 817131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, this isn't though from what I can tell. It is an LPS331AP which is sold as a pressure sensor, not microphone. From the specs it doesn't look useful as a mic < 1340926031 350154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, iirc mics give you the relative changes in pressure? This one gives you absolute values < 1340926065 844728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I completely misremember how mics work < 1340926071 250572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a possibility < 1340926146 501987 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's a fairly good point. < 1340926165 231718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you can google the product in question. It makes no sense as a mic < 1340926174 478322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have no idea then. < 1340926180 306883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340926202 53835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, there are no temperature sensors or such. So they obviously didn't go for a mobile weather station approach < 1340926205 240312 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340926208 153433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it is to detect if the phone is falling out of a plane, so that it can shut down safely. < 1340926217 956010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(man imagine that, if apple added that and gps, the weather data they could sell) < 1340926225 837498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could improve the weather forcasts quite a bit < 1340926235 781252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with lots and lots of measurements from all over the place) < 1340926297 391807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually be kind of cool. In combination with GPS, a pressure sensor and a temperature sensor provides some useful data for weather forcast, sure there is no wind sensor or rain sensor or such, but still extra data! < 1340926402 998112 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1340926625 682852 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-195-133.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340926793 659954 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-197-40.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340927121 420670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Calibrating morphogenetic field < 1340927195 109648 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe they *are* trying to make it somewhat of a mobile weather station. < 1340927209 646842 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect it to be hard to put a useful thermometer on a mobile phone. < 1340927215 948108 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the phone itself generates heat. < 1340927308 53412 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1340927520 181775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some handheld GPSen have barometers for altitude guessing. (Sure, you can get a 3D reading from the GPS, but that can be pretty inaccurate too, and needs more visible satellites than just location.) < 1340927581 701113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Says John Celenza, the lead meteorological developer at Weather Underground, "the barometer is probably used on the phone to aid in correcting altitude measurements by the GPS." In other words, the barometer is more likely than not intended to be a source of supplemental data for the GPS sensor, adding altitude measurements for increased accuracy. The atmospheric pressure is directly related ... < 1340927587 637389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to elevation, so a barometer can very easily be used as an altimeter, measuring your altitude." < 1340927591 386294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1340927621 103178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is also related to weather though < 1340927627 71547 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340927631 330733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is that quote from? < 1340927668 530399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random google page, http://m.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2011-10/so-um-why-does-new-google-phone-have-barometer-it < 1340927770 568330 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340927776 884162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the N900 has a readable temperature sensor in the battery, but I doubt it generally has much to do with ambient temperature. < 1340927856 614044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input < 1340927856 850121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-40 < 1340927860 921457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if it's weird units or just not working. < 1340927878 851622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of batteries. Any idea why the NFC antenna is generally in the battery? < 1340927883 649936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not -40 degrees Celsius inside, here.) < 1340927894 756406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just to prevent people from buying non-OEM batteries? < 1340927895 55183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor outside, for that matter.) < 1340927930 66538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue, but could be. < 1340928031 2963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually checking again, it's (the N900 temp, that is) in the phone, just next to the battery. Probably cuts off charging if it raises to "you could burn an egg" temperatures. < 1340928041 885064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340928137 654114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how much does pressure vary with altitude compared to how much it varies with weather? < 1340928329 524958 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340928375 276177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC you need really significant altitude changes to vary more than due to weather, but I suppose you could get some relative altitude data with better precision, maybe. (Weather doesn't change all that rapidly.) < 1340928470 89878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't they make glasses with oleophobic coatings? < 1340928472 54542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could even slurp the reference barometric pressure from the nearest weather station over the net and use that to fix things for altitude readings. < 1340928502 756916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and speaking of that, why don't they make glasses out of Gorilla glass? < 1340928542 98165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, that seems reasonable < 1340928665 499306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose their lens-making tools might not work on that? I don't really know how Gorilla glass works. < 1340928680 293854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1340928689 108874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oleophobic coating should though < 1340928701 476353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they just assume people with glasses don't get hit so often. < 1340928722 613597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340928725 750079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratches though < 1340928728 984078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the real issue < 1340928830 486550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some folks at "Zenni Optical" do oleophobic coating on eyeglasses. (Didn't see any actual reviews on whether it works.) < 1340928842 232044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340928913 591831 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340928978 324336 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: glasses with that would be amazing though < 1340929000 527865 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have glasses < 1340929047 775754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340929081 102465 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen any photos of you < 1340929133 39881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They took a professional-photographer research group photo at work few weeks back, but I don't think it's online yet. < 1340929169 688119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All others are somewhat old. < 1340929172 927962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340929188 731001 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything goes < 1340929202 498847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a dithered black-and-white one at http://zem.fi/img/namecard.png -- that's from 2004. < 1340929228 157056 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hair... < 1340929238 640432 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I imagined < 1340929246 628875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally have the hair quite like that. < 1340929266 121193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was visiting a friend, whose girlfriend did that, if I recall correctly. < 1340929276 814943 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long hair still? < 1340929321 159233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not braided like that, nor with a bowtie-like thing. < 1340929344 845176 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't tell it was braided < 1340929379 889779 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why dithered black & white < 1340929451 589983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it in a black-and-white-printed piece of paper at my (shared-)office door originally. < 1340929461 138798 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340929468 76269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not quite as clear as the original, which is just a benefit. < 1340929514 723380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh... actually the other online photo I have is from 2001, 18th birthday party, and it has an even more ridiculous hair. < 1340929522 456855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again someone else's fault. < 1340929547 342333 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link! < 1340929557 982291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I should. < 1340929599 854046 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1340929651 38478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look silly in it. < 1340929670 171569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's over a decade old, maybe I'm detached enough from it. < 1340929676 140802 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why does swype think "why" is eddy or edgy most puff the time < 1340929695 234897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chillout.irc-galleria.net/e/fi-i/00/00/00/65/65.jpg?h=31fa662a24e06ca351d0a2329dc4dad3456ee50b&t=1341735256 -- and yes, the query string params seem to be necessary. < 1340929719 37052 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing < 1340929720 587258 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340929737 107108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'll get that group photo up soon, then I can refer to it. (Except if it turns out horrible.) < 1340929738 84862 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly amazing < 1340929768 77710 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is terrible < 1340929771 411579 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1340929806 484548 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway which research group was that < 1340929897 45152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech group of the Information and Computer Science department of the School of Science of Aalto University. < 1340929915 200880 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they do what? < 1340929929 126245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of long to spell out like that in an affiliation field. < 1340929943 644002 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1340929944 611195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech recognition and synthesis, for the most part. < 1340929958 24421 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah both of those < 1340930006 865194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's part of the Computational... O-something Inverse... N-something special thing-thing, but I'm not sure where it goes, hierarchically. < 1340930012 769241 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is your opinion on siri < 1340930014 334636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it goes a bit sideways. < 1340930043 783298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't talked to, can't really have an opinion. < 1340930049 453969 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1340930105 725199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was "Centre of Excellence in Computational Inference Research". < 1340930116 476615 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samsung's s voice is annoying. That is their siri clone < 1340930117 146262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just called COIN most of the time. < 1340930143 774697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Centre of Excellence thing is some sort of a funding-related nation-wide thing.) < 1340930160 991424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's probably a dozen or two of them.) < 1340930182 348285 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that name is pretty pretentious < 1340930200 300570 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellence eh? < 1340930226 460489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the previous Centre of Excellence used to be AIRC, and then NN-something before that. < 1340930238 905093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fixed-term (five years?) thing. < 1340930263 363915 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you live up to that, but everyone else? < 1340930285 611680 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1340930304 552319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure who of the department are "in" COIN. I *think* our group as a whole is. < 1340930325 49022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it actually affected something that'd be visible on my level. < 1340930326 634871 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the title is on a rotating schedule? < 1340930341 51242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They nominate new ones as old ones end. < 1340930348 866799 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1340930354 709433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not an exclusive title.) < 1340930364 820180 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1340930374 12955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And normally it has a bit different focus than the previous one. < 1340930397 276377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this current one is in fact shared with University of Helsinki. < 1340930401 547109 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh what was the previous one? < 1340930410 641005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adative Informatics Research Centre. < 1340930416 272596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adaptive. < 1340930432 797076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one before had Neural Networks in the name. < 1340930435 50795 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah that is what that stood for < 1340930525 473795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Finnish Centre of Excellence in Computational Inference Research (COIN) develops methods for transforming the data produced by the current data revolution into useful information. The key methodology for achieving this goal is statistical and computational inference based on the data. The emphasis is on large data collections and computationally demanding modelling and inference ... < 1340930531 470840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... algorithms. Our mission is to push the boundary towards both more complex problems, requiring more sructured data models, and towards extremely rapid inference. -- We will work on two flagship applications. In the Intelligent Information Access flagship, the challenge is to make use of massive interrelated information sources, whether in everyday life or in science, and select what ... < 1340930537 485677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... information to present to the user. The inference needs to be done on-line, learning relevance from the user's responses. In the Computational Biology and Medicine flagship, we develop methods for maximally utilizing the novel measurement databases and structured stochastic models in making data-driven biology cumulative." < 1340930542 986907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone good at writing funding applications has been doing their blurbs. < 1340930557 1914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it says "we will", chances are it's quoted directly from the application docs. < 1340930575 946497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fancy buzzwords and all that. < 1340930591 527854 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1340930604 45493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the part where the acronym isn't even close to the word it indicates < 1340930630 505746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :COmputational INference, COIN. < 1340930637 790176 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1340930649 665735 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is data driven biology < 1340930652 809929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose they wanted it pronounceable and memorable. < 1340930679 673525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats extremely arbitrary :D < 1340930685 185911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1340930695 6524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no biologist. But Bayesians doing biology. Gene expression datasets feature heavily, I think. < 1340930720 443922 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds scary < 1340930746 69010 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bayesians I mean < 1340930775 495392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protein-protein interaction networks, too. (All I know about this is the abstracts in email ads of arranged talks.) < 1340930804 868567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its roughly like saying, The Esoteric Programming Languages Wiki(ESPR) < 1340930814 891740 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: not as random as xml... should be eml < 1340931930 52607 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VorpalPhone, um... < 1340931952 83136 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not random, ex- as X is pretty common. < 1340931973 446888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting, brb < 1340931978 755267 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but it is stupid all the same < 1340931981 246523 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: Where we decide just how much you can shoot someone and their dog. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340932013 984305 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that's contrived because it leaves out half the words, though. < 1340932040 294134 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also input method is pretty cool. I I'm trying out SwiftKey atm < 1340932050 893467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish Centre of Excellence in Computational Inference Research (COIN) < 1340932076 192458 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swype is kind of nice too though < 1340932095 729752 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is an example of TCY. < 1340932108 886714 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcy < 1340932116 663180 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that < 1340932125 136907 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, I'll call it TICADRO < 1340932139 662324 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1340932157 263474 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TICROME < 1340932168 858982 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also SwiftKey is much faster than Swype with two hands. And more comfortable < 1340932184 898092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340932230 766151 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340933557 207192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340933641 46879 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1340933884 314196 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah SwiftKey is awesome > 1340934317 241811 JOIN :#esoteric > 1340934321 375278 JOIN :#esoteric > 1340934321 891999 JOIN :#esoteric > 1340934349 827038 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934350 497148 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934350 797045 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1340934353 958107 JOIN :#esoteric > 1340934354 473930 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934369 154880 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934370 554871 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934373 947621 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there was that yes < 1340934395 150066 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340934668 146874 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340934675 94374 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1340934824 349478 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swype beta is pretty good as well. Both it and swiftkey have their own advantages... < 1340935297 400315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swype is still in beta? < 1340935671 242205 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a beta version, much improved to the default on this phone < 1340935754 253112 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the default is just Samsung keyboard with swiping. I proper swupe 3 beta is better < 1340935796 590422 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using SwiftKey atm though, and much faster with the thumbs < 1340935866 675462 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype is better with one hand or with an index finger (and holding in the other hand) < 1340935902 920756 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err swype not skype < 1340935991 704385 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340936339 221376 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1340936344 865273 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1340937984 606312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340938093 896472 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340939312 755000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340939646 97948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340940813 163442 :Guest34050!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340940857 280315 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340940858 234741 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340940858 742701 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340940858 894140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1340941029 59564 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340941067 63614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:37 edwardk: Do you know what I was writing about above? Maybe you know, nobody else responded and neither did you < 1340941073 524307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What a charming phrasing. :-) < 1340941157 848797 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340941172 699602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, edwardk is in here too these days. < 1340941215 390030 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else can i stalk kmc? < 1340941231 688148 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drove him off the other day with too much talk of locally nameless syntax < 1340941251 477160 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've learned over the years you have to approach him slowly, with one hand out holding a bit of interesting code < 1340941295 313754 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you get too aggressive he clams up and goes quiet, or runs away < 1340941786 595558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, /r/nostalgia thinks I'm a spammer < 1340941794 827394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I linked to a song on modarchive < 1340941802 735043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wow. Spammer. < 1340941813 929862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, that the link I submitted was spam < 1340941831 909596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because apparently it "takes me to some website to download something" < 1340941833 342555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. id :: a -> a < 1340941851 896921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modarchive.org/module.php?36405 the link in question < 1340941876 5880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SPAMMER < 1340942080 863803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: So I was at this one category-theory-related meeting where they were drawing a bunch of diagrams and things. < 1340942108 615369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said I should read Pierce's book on it. Is that a good book to read on it? < 1340942206 486993 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340942367 225357 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340942371 463927 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a god awful book < 1340942381 257811 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :even pierce says so < 1340942382 342360 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1340942475 152889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1340942593 943151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good book? < 1340942731 377097 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1340943112 845525 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories for the working mathematician < 1340943116 295859 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another? < 1340943117 29760 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1340943140 932328 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, awodey is good, and lawvere and schanuel will drill drill drill the basics until you know sections/retracts cold < 1340943154 49401 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also really like of all things serge lang's algebra < 1340943171 370587 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he goes out of his way to set up the category theory construct as he defines the algebraic ones < 1340943194 940597 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only slightly less dense than CftWM but way way thicker < 1340943354 446398 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340944382 500613 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340944395 513067 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1340945721 766241 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340947383 308281 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340947421 526873 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340948980 402887 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340949158 832950 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340951628 920353 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340951897 228677 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is crunchfuck supposed to work? < 1340952166 411952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat ignore_list.txt | ./crunchfuck 'startProgram' howManyPrograms < 1340952186 732511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It then brute forces the next howManyPrograms starting from 'startProgram'. < 1340952203 309318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ignoring results for numbers on the ignore_list < 1340952216 716850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a newline seperated list of numbers followed by the text 'end') < 1340952293 881827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your startProgram has a length of 15 you can put all numbers on the ignore_list known to be shorter than 16 bytes < 1340952307 6114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it won't get any shorter. < 1340952601 859475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can bruteforce on an i3 approx 16 ULONG_MAX ranges a night :) < 1340952627 485054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the output is more time consuming :) < 1340952631 891217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't automate it. < 1340952634 127928 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulong tea < 1340952686 396952 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/16193319442/myth-dispensing-whole-spotify-barely-pays-artists-story-is-bunk.shtml < 1340953107 334925 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340953112 890285 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340953116 879186 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340953176 798559 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340953195 864990 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340953376 710865 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340953475 37387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340953645 725336 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340953680 895470 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340954032 247127 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340955945 705051 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340956748 129967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amused by http://www.electrical-contractor.net/PC/EuroBS1363adapter.jpg < 1340956755 758861 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently if you buy import electronics in the UK this is often what you get < 1340956822 552262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340957071 465412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340957163 291088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You find that amusing? < 1340957165 812912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird. < 1340958122 241412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 3 kilometers (1.9 mi) long Botlekspoortunnel under Rotterdam harbour replaces the antiquated Botlek bridge, which remains in service as backup and for regional traffic. Space around the tunnel was so constrained that, after completing the first tube, the tunnel boring machine had to be dismantled inside the tube. The parts were then returned to the starting point and reassembled to bore the second tube." < 1340958296 356718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bootleg bridge. < 1340958586 14592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz bootlegz're mainstreamz? < 1340958671 762317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bootleg bridge, replaced by the bootleg sport tunnel. < 1340958684 18916 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340958703 796130 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nederlandse spoorwegen < 1340959519 381136 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340960472 851028 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340962385 306179 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D34E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340962439 835110 :nortti!jhaverin@evo.paivola.fi QUIT :Quit: see ya < 1340963960 270973 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340964201 293994 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340964439 562819 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340964557 274568 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340964805 376462 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340964811 738176 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-116.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340964908 452596 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340966343 951063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This spam reads like something some kid would threaten < 1340966350 353895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposedly a letter from the FBI < 1340966366 749487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have warned you so many times and you have decided to ignore our e-mails or because you believe we have not been instructed to get you arrested, and today if you < 1340966366 900678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail to respond back to us with the payment then, we would first send a letter to the mayor of the city where you reside and direct them to close your bank account < 1340966366 900896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you have been jailed and all your properties will be confiscated by the fbi." < 1340966390 660874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" We would also send a letter to the company/agency that you are working for so that < 1340966390 826224 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could get you fired until we are through with our investigations because a suspect is not suppose to be working for the government or any private organization. < 1340966390 977589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : " < 1340966468 8501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/4170733 < 1340966481 718013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I hate pastie. < 1340966485 98891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next pastebin? < 1340966549 779865 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340966549 931089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sort of lazily defaulted to sprunge. < 1340966580 808504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten that one too. < 1340966585 48553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least one very much like it. < 1340966596 247166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/f7Bi93pT < 1340966614 90639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340966619 895474 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin.com sucks < 1340966623 227248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge is really nice though < 1340966626 158894 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :full of ads < 1340966634 983199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ads? < 1340966640 69364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ads on the internet? < 1340966645 511722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay for adblock!) < 1340966659 549362 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls eyes
< 1340966663 394926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, at least it linewraps < 1340966666 887828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://p.zem.fi/ikvv < 1340966671 28182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that isn't a good thing < 1340966682 328173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linewrapping is just a |fmt|sprunge in place of |sprunge. < 1340966682 899775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, spam? < 1340966693 355273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spam for a spam, that's the rule. < 1340966694 159837 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1340966694 311173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you pasting spam? < 1340966706 107540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Where we decide just how much you can shoot someone, and their little dog too. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340966708 41555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was completely unaware that adblock existed. thank you for telling me about it, it proves that you are the more intelligent person and more knowledgable in the ways of the world < 1340966709 339841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Vorpal has me on ignore < 1340966717 817511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ... < 1340966723 963549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no? < 1340966736 260258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I just connected to my bouncer < 1340966744 901671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Read scrollup then < 1340966749 103496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for some reason scrollback replay is broken... < 1340966751 701712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1340966754 402160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read logs then < 1340966756 307054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to investigate that later < 1340966761 235994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read logs for now yeah < 1340966794 934904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : This spam reads like something some kid would threaten [...] <-- okay why were you pasting spam? And why were you reading spam to begin with? < 1340966818 768052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some spam every now and then. < 1340966829 504197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mine's better. They're also offering me money, apparently. < 1340966851 545098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under investigation and being offered compensatory money < 1340966853 22406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1340966853 173573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's spam on the internet? lolololol, i use spamblock and I will tell everyone about it whenever spam is mentioned < 1340966874 175175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know I don't use Windows either? < 1340966879 73860 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't own a TV < 1340966885 958067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's good to check Spam folder occasionally (just in case), but some spam caught my eye < 1340966911 862311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not exactly "yours", I have had it too. Anyway, you must've not read "mine" very carefully: "-- the only funds that was entitled to you of which the FBI has been given the necessary order to necessitate the transfer is the compensation funds which is valued at the sum of $20million usd that was issued to by the Nigerian Government to compensate you for the embarrassment and insults ... < 1340966917 868318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to your personality --" < 1340966923 193591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, eh, gmail is pretty good at spam filtering < 1340966935 49549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, oops < 1340966964 248493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though to be honest, it's not exactly an offer, more of an aside. < 1340967148 419558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there seems to be a reasonable amount of this spam which sort of presupposes a pre-existing relationship with some other spammers. < 1340967191 35886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually fall for spam? < 1340967220 237158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how they can make money out of it < 1340967220 777356 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1340967230 416849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I got one from the "bank insider" the people I was "conversing with" were going to use for the actual money transfer, warning me that those people are but scammers and haven't paid him his agreed-upon $10k yet. (But he was willing to make a deal directly with me.) < 1340967255 568785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sort of assumes that the recipient is in the middle of doing some deal with some other spammers. < 1340967575 976784 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-18-137.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1340967704 598979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, /r/nostalgia thinks I'm a spammer <-- um you mean an actual moderator thinks so? or just the automatic spam filter? or just stupid commenters? < 1340967721 80855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if #2, ask a moderator to fix it. < 1340967726 686626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hear.) < 1340967746 312540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, #1 < 1340967778 240672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340967904 970018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah some people called me a spammer for posting links to my own blog on reddit < 1340967915 446596 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i was posting original content and my blog has no ads < 1340967947 134799 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :substantial content too, not the usual "17 weird old tricks to make you a Real Programmer" < 1340967961 115353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which constitutes the majority of /r/programming < 1340968109 852749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Dwarf Fortress has a randomly generated subtitle too < 1340968122 792023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to "Slaves to Armok: God of Blood: Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress" < 1340968157 911409 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a reference to a particular type of online ad, so it will be lost on you more evolved specimins of mankind who use adblock) < 1340968196 116254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adblock Plus is a memory hog < 1340968291 231199 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340968475 661088 :neutrino2000!~neutrino@ppp-188-174-120-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1340968477 589579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, reddit _thanks_ me for not using adblock. too bad i never click them except by accident. < 1340968544 304768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most of my ad clicking happens when i try to get a particularly crowded page into focus) < 1340970377 175102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1340970421 982544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On UniversityOfReddit, sending a message that contains the words manhoodacademy or manhood101 is an instaban < 1340970471 837818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is attempting to make a course with either of those in the description, but that's not as alarming < 1340970494 475826 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340970513 471791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ureddit/ureddit/commit/3161d6f1e6a2660914f511b027f8a9c090469c76 < 1340970652 639564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so apparently manhoodacademy and manhood101 are actually existing mysogenistic things < 1340970686 983144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even mentioning the word in a private message equating to a ban seems extreme < 1340970719 259579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one webpage i wrote that kept getting hits was just a rant < 1340970758 359056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but TBH i haven't had a web presence(tm) for 6 years or more < 1340970802 643782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: wait, was that in response to something i said? < 1340970845 67596 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sort of yeah. i just did this rant about anime and games and kung fu films once.. and it got 1000s of google hits < 1340970860 389489 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(over a period of time) < 1340970863 933505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340970926 752225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Potatoes. < 1340971153 6461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340971154 789752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apples. < 1340971180 178237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compare them. < 1340971196 323427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. just don't mix in any oranges. < 1340971293 238779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Potatoes" 8 letters, vegetable, requires cooking, grows underground. "apples" 6 letters, fruit, directly edible, grows on trees. < 1340971394 565824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i defined fruits and vegetables instead of apples and potatoes i think < 1340971407 614156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has eaten a potato raw before
< 1340971428 433303 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yipe < 1340971449 722110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tastes rather stronger than the boiled variety < 1340971477 552880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't it a little bit too starchy? < 1340971482 610062 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: with skin? < 1340971488 900350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without skin :P < 1340971504 982136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty wild < 1340971523 998054 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't eat the green parts >_< < 1340971533 296595 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even bear the taste of potato which is 70% cooked < 1340971549 923072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what "starchy" means, i think it was about the same consistency as a raw carrot or rutabaga < 1340971578 309734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty long ago, anyway < 1340971700 138572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've eaten _boiled_ potatoes with skin, mind you. < 1340971758 991111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's traditional not to peel them when they are very fresh < 1340971790 347818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. when you have "patates nouvelles" (new harvest potatoes), you don't peel them. < 1340971814 495022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nypoteter" in norwegian < 1340971947 581602 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340971973 481117 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340972149 497682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thar browser needs a killing < 1340972151 344473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's nice: the LaserJet 4650 and the LaserJet 5200 that we have in the closest print corner both just flat out refuse to print out the PDFs generated by SNCB's (the Belgian national railway company) "tickets online" system. Both just say "INSUFFICIENT MEMORY". < 1340972182 970710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They printed my full-page-150dpi-raster-image Gimp-produced PDFs just fine.) < 1340972192 557457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And these have just text for the most part.) < 1340972228 533476 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340972229 578725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'll try to print out from Acrobat Reader, maybe it'll do a better PS conversion or something. < 1340972246 899481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i agree that skin-on is the way for mashed, baked, or even french fried potatos < 1340972250 919081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just makes the texture more interesting < 1340972300 619900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe SNCB is using everyone's printers to do distributed computation < 1340972305 683100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is distributing printer malware < 1340972336 878021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web thing was kind of horrible, and it took about two minutes for it to generate the PDF. So I suppose there's *something* going on in that PDF. < 1340972346 346557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the files are just 30 kilobytes or so. < 1340972352 954717 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if PDF is capable of arbitrary computation < 1340972365 207907 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than the embedded Javascript feature, which the printer probably does not support) < 1340972377 319166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, Postscript is? < 1340972380 345005 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vague conception is that PDF is like "PostScript in normal form" < 1340972392 461678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, postscript is a fairly general stack-based programming language < 1340972396 737478 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing postscript by hand can be fun < 1340972408 417842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling that they may have deliberately broken some of the general programming features. < 1340972422 737509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm certain I'm not certain. < 1340972431 512437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can send a postscript file to your printer which will make it print out the Game of Life, one generation per page, indefinitely < 1340972454 313476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1340972470 428061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try implementing GoL in something at some point < 1340972481 759439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not good at visual stuff < 1340972492 208797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean graphical output? < 1340972496 527341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340972498 325294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just print to the terminal, or output a PPM file < 1340972499 899378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One PDF normalization I'm sure of is that they impose a strict page structure on it. For a general PostScript file, you can't really do "extract only page X". < 1340972507 917244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppm file? < 1340972518 532259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, there needs to be some sort of UI, even if console based < 1340972528 141998 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPM is a super simple image format < 1340972528 557561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the user to be able to look around a randomly seeded infinite board < 1340972533 79689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[PostScript] can handle not just graphics, but standard features of programming languages such as if and loop commands. PDF is largely based on PostScript but simplified to remove flow control features like these, while graphics commands such as lineto remain." < 1340972533 881647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: these "new potatoes" are skin-on boiled, though. < 1340972536 333924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html < 1340972548 484386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, well if you actually want a GUI that's harder (but not that hard) < 1340972562 699932 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find like 10 Game of Life examples for any GUI framework you like < 1340972591 781641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I'm going to make tradeoffs < 1340972615 414180 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coded a game of life thing that runs on a 128 × 48 red LED display < 1340972620 69813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can't store every single calculated cell (which is why I'm not going to just use Haskell's built-in laziness) < 1340972629 922415 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a few unusual design choices < 1340972645 59806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, these PDFs are "(SECURED)". Maybe that has something to do with the problems. Though one (out of 11) printed out with just the background image lacking, so maybe not. < 1340972648 334781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to need to make my own laziness, with forgetting < 1340972654 103940 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both edges of the grid wrap to the opposite edge, but with reflection, so it's a projective plane < 1340972663 179091 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or almost, because i didn't really do anything sensible at the corners) < 1340972687 843580 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the way it keeps the display interesting is that occasionally it will spawn a glider in a random position < 1340972703 556852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, easy constraint: Under no circumstances should the user be able to cause an inconsistency < 1340972712 223630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying "Out of memory" is preferable < 1340972720 451842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION printed a mandelbrot set with postscript once
< 1340972731 29115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This silly thing inserts a photo, and then four copies of a summary of the ticket as totally unreadable red, yellow, blue and green texts on top of the photo. I have no idea what purpose that serves. < 1340972743 842954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think IFS fractals are very easy in postscript < 1340972744 659466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a long time. and wasn't very good being only black and white. < 1340972744 810456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except to make a real ugly mess if someone prints this thing with a black-and-white printer, I suppose. < 1340972771 167595 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a TI-83 BASIC program to render a mandelbrot set in 4-level greyscale < 1340972775 129533 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took about an hour < 1340972802 493194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think I wrote one too except for TI-86 and black-and-white. < 1340972824 19016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really get grayscale output (well, except with dithering) out of TI-86 basic, anyway, since it requires some interrupt handling. < 1340972831 392305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no builtin greyscale support in TI-83 BASIC, but you could flip between saved images with speed just barely good enough < 1340972836 388490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1340972839 377898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was on the 83+, the 83 might be too slow) < 1340972856 659610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling 86 would be also too slow since the saved images actually copy the data. < 1340972868 658132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you'd just flip the starting address of the display buffer. < 1340972910 641201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't think it has a POKE. < 1340972934 129999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a translates-to-'out' either.) < 1340972938 844692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what format the TI-83+ uses for fractional numbers < 1340973012 889410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI-86 floats are ten-bytes-or-so BCD floats, and the ROM routines are incredibly horribly slow. (I don't know about the fractionals, it's pretty iffy in TI-86 at all.) < 1340973160 713230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven bytes of BCD digits, two-byte biased exponent with some arbitrary range restriction, and one type/flag byte to denote sign and real/complex. < 1340973243 712703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1340973275 583522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I recall correctly, the UI will only ever show up to 12 digits of the mantissa. < 1340973357 539526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got into an argument about this on an "introduction to computer architecture" (or something) course. < 1340973406 301691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person doing the lecturing -- I think a temporary substitute -- just plain refused to believe there was any system in the world that used a non-binary floating point format. < 1340973457 149154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit weird since even IEEE-754 defindes the decimal32, decimal64 and decimal128 formats. < 1340973497 459178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those aren't BCD, though.) < 1340973608 518325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The TI-86 floats are ten-bytes-or-so BCD floats, and the ROM routines are incredibly horribly slow. (I don't know about the fractionals, it's pretty iffy in TI-86 at all.) <-- it did fp in software?! < 1340973612 699574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sounds stupid < 1340973618 855661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a calculator I mean < 1340973633 338176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Z80 does not exactly have an FPU. And those cost big bucks. < 1340973641 927988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the calculation speed was all *that* important. < 1340973651 678009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, why do they use them for calculators... < 1340973657 637987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the battery life? < 1340973666 717941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my TI-83+ has exceptional battery life after all < 1340973713 938047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have hardware integer multiplication or division either, for that matter. < 1340973730 830880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, iirc you can put asm into basic programs on the 83+ < 1340973739 615351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the details though < 1340973792 460140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you interpret that *just* right, you can do that on the 86 too, because you can write hex-encoded machine code into a program with the BASIC editor, put a suitable keyword at start, and then "compile" that. < 1340973803 208115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't have any sort of "inline ASM" though. < 1340973813 101610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an assembler that'd do mnemonics. < 1340973820 678735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to be kind of masochistic. < 1340973850 378417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless it's a very short program.) < 1340973866 458282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use that to make a "POKE" program you could call. < 1340973878 783291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh a fan in my desktop revved up from the lowest speed. Just for a couple of seconds. That never happened before... All the fans usually run at the lowest speed even when under heavy load < 1340973942 637847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dust buildup is the main cause for higher fan speeds for me. Especially the fan exhaust grill seems to collect quite a lot of it. < 1340973982 956431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I cleaned the case like two weeks ago, normally I would clean it in August next time. Also the intakes have dust filters < 1340973985 926173 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340973988 282988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think it was the GPU fan < 1340974013 603601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get it to repeat by doing the same thing again and I observed all the other fan values < 1340974017 564713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of those changed < 1340974025 772961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember how to get the GPU fan speed atm < 1340974040 823011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, could be PSU I guess < 1340974045 172998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's nice; now I printed one of the 11 tickets from acroread, and it no longer accepts mouse clicks. < 1340974047 124304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't observe that speed < 1340974072 395077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you interpret that *just* right, you can do that on the 86 too, because you can write hex-encoded machine code into a program with the BASIC editor, put a suitable keyword at start, and then "compile" that. <-- ah yes, that is how it works < 1340974088 637934 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did write some small machine language programs, assembled by hand < 1340974105 696111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway with the 83+ you can transfer programs from a computer < 1340974122 548113 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the TI graphing calculators have that ability < 1340974128 688682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, not the 86 iirc? < 1340974132 665182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1340974138 375559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure < 1340974145 750218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought it lacked the link port completely < 1340974151 255524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1340974152 933813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been some other model < 1340974156 999582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No, it has one. < 1340974161 756394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1340974191 946774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the TI-8x's I know of do. Though the 85 had some awkwardness when it came to asm programs. < 1340974201 493630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340974207 401118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you needed to be running a shell, you couldn't just invoke them from the normal thing. < 1340974208 782892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not just make a program that goes under the APPS button. IIRC they run directly from flash or something? < 1340974210 986868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1340974219 583631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can do that too < 1340974243 123131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TI-86 doesn't have that though < 1340974267 383922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does the 85 or the 83 (non-plus) < 1340974272 261530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the odd thing about the fan is that Trine 2 caused it. And it was on the screen between chapters where it just shows some text and some hand drawn artwork < 1340974280 198404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, not sure why that makes the GPU rev up < 1340974294 677246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal 3D rendered Trine 2 gameplay doesn't as far as I can tell < 1340974304 486482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ah < 1340974324 472084 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't have flash, just ROM and a small amount of RAM < 1340974335 827402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small?! It's 128 KB in TI-86. < 1340974341 638426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like double the processor address space. < 1340974353 993535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also flash apps are signed and i don't remember how annoying it was to get a signing key as some random person < 1340974358 862888 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether you could load unsigned apps < 1340974375 258410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've bruteforced the system keys so you can flash in a custom OS, though. < 1340974385 15006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340974459 193193 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an xkcd strip mocking TI for not upgrading their hardware < 1340974462 608033 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as usual xkcd misses the point < 1340974480 901657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, regarding "transfer from computer", at least on the TI-86 the computer link cable is not part of the standard accessories, you have to buy it separately. (Or build your own.) < 1340974481 604241 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make fun of people for not jumping on shiny new tech, while ignoring the actual application requirements < 1340974503 145597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you mean? most models don't sell with a link cable < 1340974514 498288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I thought they might've made it a standard thing. < 1340974517 50156 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vs5hw/you_guys_are_fucking_champions/ < 1340974525 843349 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the newer ones have a USB link cable built in < 1340974528 103975 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/r/atheism has turned me from not only being religious but also from being an asshole into a caring and tolerant person." < 1340974531 795686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it, I almost managed 100% completion on Trine 2 (I have done 100% on Trine 1 of course), but there are two experience orbs that I can't find... < 1340974536 448799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think you were browsing some other /r/atheism, mate. < 1340974539 977803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, I'm 100% complete < 1340974550 986273 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik you can use the standard black link cable or grey link cable with the TI-86 < 1340974586 462565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's make fun of people for not jumping on shiny new tech, while ignoring the actual application requirements <-- I wouldn't mind a faster CPU. Try plotting something more advanced than a polynomial equation on the TI-83+. It can be painfully slow < 1340974617 857247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, officially; you can also use something that costs $5 (in parts) that you make. < 1340974632 728268 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1340974633 921174 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear < 1340974637 697514 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure, the 83+ is the low end calculator anyway < 1340974640 645658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found the worst reddit post < 1340974644 412386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: what do you mean? most models don't sell with a link cable <-- mine sold with a Black Link. Of course, I don't have a serial port nowdays on my main computer (I keep an old dell laptop around for that, and that alone) < 1340974645 658466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: doubtful < 1340974650 248371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though some standard 2.5mm plugs don't quite fit the link port. < 1340974652 398088 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vs5hw/you_guys_are_fucking_champions/c578bj2 < 1340974714 908876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The black is (IIRC) slightly more picky when it comes to serial ports, too, since it doesn't do translation between RS-232 and the TI protocol internally, but expects software to toggle the port lines appropriately. < 1340974717 614397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the TI-83+ has awesome battery time though < 1340974746 887918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so no USB converter? < 1340974766 555039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1340974773 8128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling it might not be so friendly to USB serial ports, right. < 1340974776 456456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though YMMV. < 1340974776 608074 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, with the grey cable you could connect directly to a modem < 1340974830 444662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a grey link cable and a big stack of adapters to connect to a Ricochet modem < 1340974837 689071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could log into my Linux machine wirelessly from my TI-83+ < 1340974847 303927 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty entertaining < 1340974876 134457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my motherboard actually has serial in my desktop. However it doesn't have the port, that is an add-on, you put the addon in an empty PCI hole (just the hole at the back of the computer, not the actual PCI slot itself) then you connect a cable from that to the motherboard < 1340974877 307237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI link protocol is kind of funny, anyway; it doesn't really have a set clock speed. < 1340974882 143608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird way to do it IMO < 1340974899 187674 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, it would be pretty easy to put wireless hardware inside a TI calculator case, and use this to cheat on the SAT etc. < 1340974911 938778 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's pretty common < 1340974921 266321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah but why < 1340974921 627493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves space on the motherboard backplane itself < 1340974940 765745 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something most people don't use anyway < 1340974942 916256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, there is space left over there (which is pretty amazing given how many ports this thing has) < 1340974948 136937 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe you can charge extra for the port < 1340974957 374459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess there is that yeah < 1340974971 343111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not just a matter of physical space, you also need to route the electrical connections to it < 1340974972 739243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can charge extra for spares after people invariably lose the one that comes in the motherboard box. < 1340974986 786604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there isn't one in the box though= < 1340974990 391290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1340974992 551463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherboards seem to use standard connector blocks with, like, one parallel port above 3 audio ports, or something < 1340974994 457078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, in that case, especially. < 1340975007 702526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the standard block you need containing a serial port isn't cheaply available, you use the extra slot solution instead < 1340975011 81310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I haven't had a parallel port in ages... < 1340975017 947015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recently bought a machine specifically with a parallel port
< 1340975022 993596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1340975031 661676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a CNC laser cutter which is controlled via parallel port < 1340975038 846372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340975042 950209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extra port headers seem to be kind of de-facto standardized, though, so you don't need to get the manufacturer's own extra port slot-cover thing. < 1340975044 596881 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's controlled via parallel port because it's the cheapest crappiest CNC laser cutter you can buy < 1340975044 957111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there USB converters for such? < 1340975054 585131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they just have stepper motors wired up to a parallel port < 1340975062 924435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340975068 624569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not proper parallel protocol? < 1340975073 290995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no definitely not < 1340975074 217853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallel ports are probably the easiest to directly wire things to. < 1340975084 902755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the voltages? < 1340975089 430410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the DIY link cables does that. (The other model goes to serial port.) < 1340975089 925709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are USB to parallel adapters, but you can't use them as a general purpose extremely low latency I/O interface < 1340975096 419292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know serial has some crazy high voltages < 1340975102 12174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about them < 1340975118 991044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does parallel ports have like 12 V or so too for the signal? < 1340975124 951047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that is what standard serial port has < 1340975137 222689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or 5V < 1340975138 155324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you get +5V out of the data lines, actually. < 1340975139 751059 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading a proposal that Beowulf clusters should connect the machines together with parallel port, in addition to gigabit ethernet < 1340975141 821670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might misremember. < 1340975146 952263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty crazy high still < 1340975151 488373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the parallel port for extremely low latency communication < 1340975152 816327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the parallel port, that is.) < 1340975184 333315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 5V is the standard TTL logic level < 1340975194 453326 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340975196 265566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340975205 111601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares to stab someone who complains about "redundant" acronyms
< 1340975208 729562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the data line voltages in things like USB? < 1340975213 70139 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340975218 298597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB uses differential signaling < 1340975233 448106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1340975237 598180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RS-232 seems to require anything from 3 to 15 volts. (And -3V to -15V for the other bit.) < 1340975239 71110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so extremely low then < 1340975252 854247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that low < 1340975256 104822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1340975275 450725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you could get like less than 1 V with differential? < 1340975308 578629 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On low and full speed devices, a differential ‘1’ is transmitted by pulling D+ over 2.8V with a 15K ohm resistor pulled to ground and D- under 0.3V with a 1.5K ohm resistor pulled to 3.6V. A differential ‘0’ on the other hand is a D- greater than 2.8V and a D+ less than 0.3V with the same appropriate pull down/up resistors." < 1340975320 762324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much, heh < 1340975322 601537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just because you can doesn't mean they do it that way < 1340975327 285206 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the other design considerations are < 1340975352 219513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, full speed? Is that USB 2.0 or USB 1.1? < 1340975356 33435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1340975370 69575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :low is USB 1.0, full USB 1.1 right? < 1340975376 458626 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340975382 216345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is USB 2 then? fuller? < 1340975384 913254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high speed < 1340975388 641577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340975394 64736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what they called USB 3 as well < 1340975404 682298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean USB 2.0 is a version of the spec, that supports all three speeds < 1340975408 283716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1340975412 291402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340975415 711106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about USB 3 then? < 1340975417 334193 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fastest speed available in USB 2.0 is called "high speed" < 1340975418 408744 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno man < 1340975419 506602 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up < 1340975439 910056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anything uses it yet as far as I can tell. My desktop has USB 3 connectors, but I don't have any peripherals with USB 3 support < 1340975451 40997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely get hard drive enclosures which support it < 1340975462 453255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and that is about it I guess < 1340975478 729430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of surprises me that my new fancy phone didn't do USB 3 < 1340975487 915732 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe external monitors/video cards < 1340975489 186837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is Samsung's flagship model after all < 1340975496 397013 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe manufacturers are skipping USB 3.0 for Thunderbolt < 1340975510 653512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, has anyone except apple adopted that? < 1340975520 957747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude the entire PC industry is based on copying whatever Apple does < 1340975531 586272 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have a huge market share by themselves < 1340975539 590938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but I thought they had some exclusive deal on thunderbolt? < 1340975543 378426 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were the first to take the plunge with USB < 1340975554 574099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the success of USB today is largely due to the iMac < 1340975559 661449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1340975564 690028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a first generation ibook < 1340975573 179201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think I have that USB floppy drive somewhere XD < 1340975576 59374 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause Apple had the guts and the customer loyalty to say "suck it, this is how shit connects now" < 1340975584 239456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because then you actually needed floppies still, and apple had dropped it) < 1340975588 18389 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1340975638 30900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the earlier subject of printer hacks, you can change the text on the LCD display of a HP printer with an unauthenticated packet < 1340975646 532344 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used this for both legitimate and prank purposes < 1340975716 917227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, USB ones? < 1340975723 816298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, network printers < 1340975763 773148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340975808 534393 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was printer czar for the house where i lived in college < 1340975816 442807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1340975825 876832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean with that? < 1340975835 275485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning i was in charge of buying printer supplies, and yelling at people for printing too much < 1340975859 10662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's "SuperSpeed" for USB 3. (Really.) < 1340975863 150895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340975872 701400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they're going to go with USB 4. HyperSpeed? < 1340975873 612659 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wrote a script which would scrape the supply levels from the web interface, then calculate how much we were spending per page printed, and put it on the display < 1340975890 236397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hopes that people would see it as they pick up their job and would feel guilty < 1340975893 375772 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably never happened < 1340975898 448987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think low-speed and full-speed are both part of USB 1.0 already. < 1340975911 424931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had one guy who was in the habit of printing a 300 page math textbook, single-sided, and then immediately losing it < 1340975922 448679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he eventually got banned from 8 different computer labs < 1340975974 771353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just printed 30 sheets, most of them in color. Now I feel guilty. < 1340976020 933340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at work or at home? < 1340976034 768056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work, since there's only a black-and-white laser at home. < 1340976039 683804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340976083 964968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT has a new system, where you print to a single campus-wide virtual printer < 1340976089 662543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't want to start dabbling with drying-up inks or whatever, what used to happen with our previous very-little-used DeskJet thing. < 1340976124 392069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you walk to a printer, scan your ID, and it prints the job there < 1340976136 579604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a famous bit in some MS TechNote or such about the benefits of adding printers at different physical locations into the same print queue, because your users will then get more exercise. < 1340976217 793694 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did that at my school < 1340976247 451110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340976248 79793 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty convenient < 1340976275 572622 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was somewhat controversial at MIT < 1340976280 993406 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1340976286 43145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone even vandalized a few of the stations < 1340976291 632123 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340976298 914545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess people don't want to wait around at the printer < 1340976310 93067 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did reverse the protocol and find the password was symmetrically encrypted, and we had open wifi < 1340976333 372884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem it solves is people who print big jobs (intentionally or by accident) and then don't pick them up < 1340976336 794781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: heh < 1340976338 795536 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340976364 808415 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kind of awkward if you had to wait behind someone printing something large, or you were printing something large just before class and a bunch of people needed their assignments < 1340976379 749165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually walk to the printer and type in "lpr -Pfoo file" with SSH over the phone just to be there when things print. (The printers do have some sort of "wait until the user types a passcode" features, but I don't think those are all that likely to work.) < 1340976382 664506 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why profs should accept assignments by emailed pdf :) < 1340976388 326297 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :many did < 1340976397 641407 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are always the old-school profs :) < 1340976399 444705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340976419 98071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would often pick one person who would print out and hand in everyone's assignments < 1340976430 150406 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that everyone else could sleep through class after an all-nighter < 1340976433 211728 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really healthy behavior... < 1340976489 339571 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340976499 548941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accepted weekly exercise solutions by email or on paper, and there was an approximate 50%/50% split. (Though majority of returned papers were handwritten, since they were mostly mathy.) < 1340977023 812199 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, when i said "emailed pdf" i should have said "push to a git repository" ;) < 1340977039 54605 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340977107 796475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean "add to the Visual SourceSafe library"? < 1340977119 394221 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340977162 978809 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't VSS a joke < 1340977166 168974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean microsoft doesn't use it < 1340977214 345104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just because they generously want to save all its powers to their customers. < 1340977252 617688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think it got discontinued and replaced by Team Foundation Something Or Other. < 1340977273 554874 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it have sharepoint integration =D < 1340977693 626840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that everyone else could sleep through class after an all-nighter <-- from what I seen at university, most comp sci students were pretty study focused and would never have skipped class. < 1340977728 458153 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick NICK :yorick < 1340977730 597633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I only skipped a total of 2 days during my three years at university. And that was when I had influenza. < 1340977807 972641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at my school skipping classes was extremely common < 1340977819 912411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1340977840 937164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not called skipping if one has a legitimate reason such as illness, is it? Then it's just missing class. < 1340977847 385920 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most upper level CS classes, most of your grade is projects, with exams a smaller portion, and even the exams are take-home < 1340977870 494542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're better off spending that time on the projects, and maybe reading through lecture slides when you get a chance < 1340977879 657251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, people in general do skip lectures here, too. Not all, of course. < 1340977889 31991 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many cases the lectures were pretty useless for getting the projects done < 1340977918 246759 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said i and my friends skipped more classes than was probably advisable < 1340977948 545614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not called skipping if one has a legitimate reason such as illness, is it? Then it's just missing class. <-- well yeah < 1340977953 50248 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1340977964 288886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The majority (or that's at least how it felt like) of our later classes were in the "seminar" format. (I.e. one or two introductory lectures, then each participant has a topic, some papers, then gives a lecture about it to the others.) < 1340978002 697398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those and some amount of project-based things. But not terribly many "classic" lecture-based things. Or maybe I've just tuned them out. < 1340978080 105299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parallel computation seminar assigned one or two chapters of a book to each participants, because the prof hadn't managed to motivate himself to read the book otherwise, but he wanted to. (Or that's what he said, anyway.) < 1340978095 143438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parallel computation/distributed systems/, sorry. < 1340978114 187582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my chapter had stuff about election in hypercube networks or something very interesting like that. < 1340978127 417961 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340978132 854325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if the prof can't motivate himself to read the book, then why should the students? < 1340978150 348938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was rumoured to be a good book. < 1340978160 426511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why wasn't he motivated < 1340978164 124527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel the logic is flawed < 1340978175 506067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too busy, I'd say, based on who he was. < 1340978182 930814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1340978200 962028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He used to reply to student question emails at 03am during the Saturday/Sunday night. < 1340978209 844841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1340978225 965994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kind of a personality. :p < 1340978242 308999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say that < 1340978246 406951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the viewpoint of the students, I guess course credits are a powerful motivator too. < 1340978290 92150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypercube is a nice shape. You can (obviously) reach everyone in at most log_2(N) hops. < 1340978305 608118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did he get burned out btw from working like that? < 1340978308 704995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't surprise me < 1340978312 920280 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1340978321 647642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's still around. Was the head of the department for some time, too. < 1340978326 556040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340978933 520496 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340979196 817541 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340980145 472352 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340980284 701528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, NFC is badly designed. Why haven't they learnt anything from previous systems... < 1340980307 228182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MITM is super easy with the right equipment apparently... < 1340980829 448935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (disclaimer: all of my common disclaimers) the lack of indefinite positive feedback in intelligence enables newcomers to succeed and older ones to suffer entropy < 1340980948 677727 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1340980971 585801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how IBM was able to make lots of computers but they lost to bill gates who was only good for writing basic interpreters < 1340981028 410895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry? < 1340981047 68046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft is more successful than ibm right? < 1340981052 46722 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compilers... < 1340981056 294860 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what that has to do with near-feild communicaiton's vuilerability to man-in-the-middle attacks. < 1340981076 241238 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if there was any other related conversation before I joined. < 1340981088 896405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDoze, no it wasn't < 1340981092 145023 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 NICK :MDude < 1340981187 824161 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you had a company like IBM in manufacturing and in the space of a few decades a silly little contract or whatever about dos eventually led another company to outgrow you < 1340981198 793519 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IBM got less successfulll than Micrisoft because they allowed all those knockoffs of thier design. < 1340981225 513415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being extremely arbitrary and avoiding research or reality < 1340981238 123533 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel similarly is making bank, I think. < 1340981246 230254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the whole windows vs. OS/2 thing < 1340981278 902085 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was OS/2 very backwards compatible? < 1340981286 91289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1340981292 931105 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like.. decades of success in an industry can be toppled by these trivialities < 1340981295 842203 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the main thing WIndows has had for it. < 1340981298 802222 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340981364 926203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, I don't think there was a single reason for OS/2 failing, rather it was a combination of many things < 1340981384 109932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, theory: the number of assassination attempts Hitler survived is proof that time travel exists, yet is incapable of changing history < 1340981386 917314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :including some bad business decisions on IBMs part and some really good ones from MS < 1340981387 800716 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm calling it entropy ^_^ < 1340981390 514815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1340981396 270373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going back in time to kill Hitler is probably one of the most common uses for time machines < 1340981408 489062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many did he survive? < 1340981479 38715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I presume you meant hypothesis, not theory < 1340981509 609351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, in the information theory sense? Or the physical sense? < 1340981540 917850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not sure. just in the sense that they had to fail eventually < 1340981541 284349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if the latter, how is thermodynamics related to this?) < 1340981553 188567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think that is an existing sense of the word < 1340981589 672859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe companies never have to fail < 1340981601 737685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's all arbitrary < 1340981630 974781 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM is still around, though. < 1340981638 363008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good point < 1340981640 543587 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even made that Jeopardy machine. < 1340981668 16622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure failing is a result of bad management in most of the time. Also they can recover from it. And there can be external factors (a mining company runs out of ore in the current vein) < 1340981679 788948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i'm working on the basis that the only way to say something novel is to lie < 1340981684 98905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no I don't think a company will inherently fail < 1340981841 21654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i get bored or restless and open the irc clickable bitmap. < 1340981848 423172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1340981854 728253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bitmap you can click on! < 1340981866 265245 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gestures triumphantly < 1340981875 90399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1340981902 524775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, of all possible things i can say everything true has already been said, or is obvious < 1340981914 960194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i lie < 1340981950 676552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i start inventing uses for words like entropy < 1340981981 692845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1340982001 951092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ridiculous ideas like that there is some law governing when businesses fail < 1340982021 113440 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i use examples of successful businesses to show where businesses have failed < 1340982037 918558 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was curious more about what you meant by indefinite positive feedback on intelligence. < 1340982052 526946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rich get richer... < 1340982058 874839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1340982065 142734 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was meaning the intelligent eventually stop getting more intelligent < 1340982126 447117 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying this is because of earthly mortality seems to be cheating < 1340982157 801992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a more realistic explanation is that people stagnate < 1340982175 289523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i can see, it isn't a general rule < 1340982193 674788 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a problem of sheer proccessing power, at least partly. < 1340982212 282588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at NFC it is built upon RFID, which is only really interested in reading numbers from tags. Originally security was not an issue (it was used for logistics, identifying shipments and so on in warehouses and terminals and what not). A much larger issue was power usage in the tags. Since it worked well other uses started to appear. Some however turned out to be security sensitive. Oops. < 1340982231 513407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then NFC was built on top of RFID... why? no idea < 1340982250 801276 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because lazy, I would guess. < 1340982256 981726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340982283 185286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is the fact that money builds itself < 1340982289 499882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, usages include bluetooth pairing by NFC. Works fine with standard antennas that have a range of centimeters, and that is what you find in phones. < 1340982304 819329 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A complete lack of idea as to the reason we don't just use reprogrammible RFID tags in our phones for NFC was probably there too. < 1340982308 674813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, now, if you instead use professional equipment you can get a range of a few meters against such a phone < 1340982310 565172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps < 1340982312 199100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops* < 1340982327 149735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, on a given day n, in order to become more knowledgable or skilful a person one must exert energy again, be motivated again < 1340982372 618321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, and the communications are unencrypted. Encryption is up to the application level < 1340982380 757873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is again fine for the original usage < 1340982405 270748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(low power, possibly passive tags for logistics: you want something cheap and simple there. Yep) < 1340982488 180954 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: So, to be suepr smart, it would make sense to devote some time into finding ways to get smarter faster? < 1340982524 934543 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-159-6.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340982609 28430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, another early use was identifying cattle. Yeah I guess that is fine with RFID. Then several decades later someone decides to start doing payments with the technology. Oops. < 1340982616 612419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably difficult to find motivation eventually < 1340982618 862268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340982670 805568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, this is all very interesting, but I don't think it really applies to NFC < 1340982671 531323 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that what makes evil geniuses so smart, they've always got taking voer the world to look forward to. < 1340982674 393577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340982690 594084 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's < 1340982703 935776 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hi Taneb. < 1340982708 90610 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340982713 210908 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to say I'm well respected in the esoteric programming language community? < 1340982733 238559 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340982734 834343 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION respects nobody
< 1340982768 737442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0codWCfcAsc/SlX3Ck35_HI/AAAAAAAAAzc/Qi1tr_mH_3M/s400/pinky_brain_x_22.jpg < 1340982795 53603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone made an RFID tag that was 0.05mm x 0.05mm... (Though the range of that one was apparently only a few millimeters) < 1340982849 180170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, to whom? < 1340982862 585241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, UCAS, and hence various universities in the UK < 1340983081 45321 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to make an RFID tag that uses the bulkiest, most anachronistic components possible that also aren't too expensive. < 1340983128 561905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccuum tubes? < 1340983152 180181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, UCAS being? < 1340983154 521546 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really awful < 1340983172 85291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, body that handles university applications in the UK < 1340983196 363990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why would you mention that to them? Isn't the only thing relevant for such applications your previous grades? < 1340983208 8542 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, there's loads < 1340983216 713937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sweden at least they only care about your grades < 1340983221 674897 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used UCAS many moons ago
< 1340983227 582867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I'm trying to demonstrate interest in the subject < 1340983236 370636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the subject being, maths and computer science) < 1340983282 504132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, they work out a score between 1 and 20 depending on your grades in the Swedish equiv. of high school. I had 17.5 iirc, which is very good. < 1340983306 330744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they basically use that in a priority queue system < 1340983307 135993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but seeing as I am neither in Sweden nor applying to a Swedish university, that isn't especially relevant < 1340983319 706627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I'm just surprised every country doesn't do it that way < 1340983335 132232 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much every country does it different < 1340983363 315048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I expected the exact details to vary (different scoring algorithms, different ranges and so on) but not the general concept < 1340983392 955452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the Netherlands lets everyone in, and decides a year later < 1340983398 479584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340983436 597512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340983460 266888 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: since when are you in here? < 1340983462 227483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and there may of course be specific requirements for different programs at university, like I needed to have at least Mathematics D (I studied up to Mathematics E, which is as far as it goes)) < 1340983484 281767 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I used to be in here a lot, and then forgot to rejoin when I redid my IRC client < 1340983493 470864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I've started joining again < 1340983565 190085 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if we've met here before without me realizing < 1340983590 429207 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340983636 302467 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can I say I'm well respected in the esoteric programming community? < 1340983853 56978 :Guest34050!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eys < 1340983857 279497 :Guest34050!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1340983865 865066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oklopol < 1340983870 96034 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does nnscript insist on renaming me guest < 1340983903 217869 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i need to suggest some alternatives < 1340983904 224304 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklofok < 1340983911 913910 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklodol < 1340983914 830785 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would make more sense to say your work on esoteric languages is generally admired in the community. < 1340983928 926841 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you could be respected on a personal level witohut really making anything. < 1340983936 707522 :oklodol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :okloblock < 1340983937 676213 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ESR! < 1340983941 830872 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without < 1340983974 573689 :okloblock!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only respect him on a personal level, since i don't remember what his work is. < 1340983989 257664 :okloblock!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1340984069 594133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nandypants, Numberwang, MIBBLLII, Fueue, Brook, Constatinople, Luigi, Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1340984071 332669 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: ah no, according to public logs you joined years after I was active a lot here < 1340984079 577175 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340984101 414062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only joined last year :( < 1340984172 101767 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: still do much bitcoining? < 1340984199 456106 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You joined before I did, and thus "Forever ago". < 1340984202 891256 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I use them from time to time to transfer value < 1340984208 286347 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340984222 20842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't bitcoin drop in value some time back < 1340984224 180900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a lot < 1340984233 639147 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it moves a lot in general :) < 1340984234 649171 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much beyond that... but for that they do their job pretty well < 1340984243 987210 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got inflated way beyond what was reasonable < 1340984249 50568 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the bubble burst < 1340984253 208722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340984338 255618 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Forever apparently being less than a month, according to the edit logs of our user pages. < 1340984359 189169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340984389 941939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should LLVM have an instruction to test addition/subtraction overflow? < 1340984434 512346 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, are you on the LLVM development committee? < 1340984456 704925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is on the everything committee < 1340984702 358862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, isn't the usual solution that the CPU sets a flag in some flag register for that? < 1340984725 787019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder how that works on VLIW architectures... One flag register per concurrent instruction? < 1340984742 182771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I am not on the LLVM development committee. < 1340984763 596018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, then would your opinion on this matter? It wouldn't affect LLVM development < 1340984763 794235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes that is what I am thinking, usually the CPU sets a flag for it, but LLVM has no instruction to test that flag < 1340984815 209101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone who is on LLVM can suggest it to them < 1340984841 967844 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory a backend could detect the instrucion sequence that tests for overflows and produce code that uses the flags < 1340984936 472107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Yes, like that, I mean < 1340985032 536744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there might be instructions "tsof" (test signed overflow) and "tuof" (test unsigned overflow) and then it points to an addition or subtraction instruction which has already been executed, and the result of this instruction will be of type i1 < 1340985035 275034 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the recent changes, sees an optimized set of images, and dazzled by the existence of enterbrainfuck
< 1340985080 446852 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no I mean just using detecting the usual workarounds you do in C ((a + b) < b) for unsigned add for example and detecting the resulting instruction sequence < 1340985103 102368 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not require a change to the llvm instruction set < 1340985119 496113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does LLVM currently do for that bit of code? < 1340985144 359886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does gcc do? < 1340985151 802932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me, I have found cases where I want to explicitly specify overflow test instruction < 1340985197 571186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optimizer could do the conversion from ((a + b) < b) to the tsof and tuof instructions < 1340985216 796480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, "enterbrainfuck"? < 1340985220 938280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that on the wiki < 1340985228 559348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah its on a userpage < 1340985233 61467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1340985236 670434 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:FireFly/Enterbrainfuck < 1340985247 432932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It already has the llvm.uadd.with.overflow.i32 kind of intrinsics which "return" the result and an i1 about the overflow. < 1340985250 782109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i'll explain :-3 < 1340985252 108009 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but if you keep the addition and comparision instructions (maybe with an annotation to mark them as belonging together (if llvm does support this)) you wouldn't break existing passes < 1340985283 60850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O, OK. < 1340985283 787354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterbrain is a company that makes rpgmaker products. rpgmaker products contain a ruby scripting language. < 1340985378 611587 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of nonsense i would come up with, but far more intelligent than anything i would come up with < 1340985380 241123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I once wrote a small GOL simulation in the RPG blades of avernum (btw, the avernum series is amazing). I think it may only run on classical PPC Mac OS < 1340985395 745188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :used floor tiles as the data storage < 1340985416 329218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, I'm gonna make a brainfuck interpreter in Ren'Py < 1340985423 254652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that < 1340985434 972946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I might fire up my old ibook and see if I still have that thing around < 1340985435 125596 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual novel creator with Python back-end < 1340985445 828477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, how did you take screenshots on macs? I don't remember < 1340985462 268345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... I don't currently have any surface to put the thing on < 1340985465 505153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so scratch that < 1340985476 483057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know how to use Ren'Py < 1340985501 949184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the size of it was limited due to the number of instructions you could execute per script event < 1340985509 32505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i abanoned this ridiculous thing, but this is a picture i made the other day where i advocate using graphic tiles as symbols http://oi50.tinypic.com/29z9egm.jpg < 1340985510 834059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so iirc it was like a 30x30 GOL world < 1340985581 74152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the super mario bros tiles are so pretty to look at. maybe it's just the association with the games < 1340985782 873498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having destroyed the topic with my greedy post, i will back away < 1340985815 689708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340985899 787770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell (I have discussed this in #haskell channel yesterday), I have thought of (forall z. c z => (x -> z) -> z) and (forall z. c z => (z -> x, z)). The first one is right and the second one is left. Here I am using the methods and the mathematical laws of the class c. < 1340985980 580364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the names can be ClassCodensity for the right version and ClassDensity for the left version. < 1340986058 425097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for ClassCodensity, depending on the methods and laws of c: If it is a monoid, you get a list. If it is a semigroup, you get a non-empty list. If it is a commutative idempotent monoid, I think you get a set. < 1340986091 662166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First class classes? < 1340986136 788942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible using constraint kind, although it can be done even without constraint kind. < 1340986176 88431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ClassDensity, if c is Copeanoid then I would think you get a non-empty list comonad. < 1340986246 193513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Class (c :: * -> *) < 1340986292 220077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Monoid' :: Monoid m => m -> Monoid' m < 1340986303 518065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know where I'm going with this < 1340986311 53526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even have something like this: data Monoid_ x where { Monoid_ :: Monoid x => Monoid_ x; }; data Functor_ x where { Functor_ :: Functor x => Functor_ x; }; < 1340986327 463803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the (,) for constraints and the (,) for types is the same one < 1340986376 338598 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1340986378 936142 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn agda again < 1340986387 441861 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since apparently I'm giving a 45 minute talk on it < 1340986394 46017 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why did i do that) < 1340986454 624011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not knowing agda should count as a good reason not to give a talk on it < 1340986475 446485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Restrict c x = Restrict { classOfRestrict :: !(c x), getRestrict :: x }; < 1340986482 499448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you might not have been thinking right < 1340986657 602198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now can it be done like this? ClassCodensity Monoid = Codensity (Restrict Monoid_) I am unsure, I haven't tried < 1340987012 666795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: shopping time < 1340987093 329666 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340987250 957016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears not to work so well. < 1340987393 804488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works if you make up the type separately < 1340987394 348650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340988360 302640 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340988363 319341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340988940 777074 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340988952 477597 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340988959 167658 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340989594 919106 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1340989874 994523 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340991706 585360 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.4chan.org/diy/src/1340967259708.gif < 1340991999 440403 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-159-6.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1340992018 576662 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-6.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340992621 254081 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340992652 602521 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340992674 866841 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340992785 693752 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340993202 131346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg"+yG Ctrl-V < 1340993216 260325 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1340993255 872634 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340993449 232928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1340993492 265269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is copy-pasting
< 1340993609 943685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone was co-py-pasting / those kids were fast as lightning. < 1340993618 716066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/body/ < 1340993619 667520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340993661 467894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a program in BytePusher.. < 1340993691 435573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it really comes down to it i can't deny that it allows for some extremely small programs < 1340993696 128990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it was a little bit frightening / but they ^v'd with expert timing. < 1340993726 800557 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce ^v'd? < 1340993756 281991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but "pasted" didn't really flow either. < 1340993767 158275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutrollveed < 1340993777 314253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :k'veed. < 1340993800 703571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "yanked". < 1340993814 479081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yanked could work < 1340993823 971506 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the fact it's easy to program it directly into a hex editor < 1340994091 449345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Finnish translation that goes approximately "who knows the feared Kung-Fu / can beat all the obstacles / you can break even a stone fence / everyone respects you". < 1340994117 324447 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a fairly good translation < 1340994134 912355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone cares what the song's text is about < 1340994298 324609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also other such gems. "I shouted: 'get in the queue' / the first fell down by my kick / soon the others each in their turn / were examining the ground / after I swinged [fists] a bit more / the rest fled running". < 1340994322 422774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340994366 380497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1340994380 81831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun seeing my native language[english] being hacked by translators < 1340994425 468438 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really explain what it's like to only know english < 1340994449 937498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it feel? please explain < 1340994455 25991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM has no unions, isn't it? < 1340994513 444147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, what some would call bad translations, is like seeing the language being used in new and fun ways < 1340994516 344889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a structure with zero-length arrays and access them as if it were a union, can it work without the optimization messing it up? < 1340994521 563229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that craze about all your base are belong to us < 1340994533 257620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if LLVM has casts, unions could be a source language-only thing < 1340994576 585476 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure it does have casts, but no idea how it treats aliasing < 1340994584 986945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM does have casts but will any optimization or anything allow it to cause problems? < 1340994589 863226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just an act of mockery. theres a secret joy in witnessing so called engrish < 1340994596 527079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, aliasing too < 1340994694 508547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advert for Snickers: people get annoyed when they're hungry, so eat, I guess? < 1340994699 541762 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, as if you were to move to a new country where everyone spoke english, except that they all spoke it in a different way < 1340994773 611048 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah its 4:30 am here.. i think i'm just flipping out < 1340994844 869306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wrote a bytepusher program < 1340994905 12633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: In what programming language did you write it in? If it is written in a text format programming language, post it in the wiki. < 1340994915 824852 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it in hex < 1340994916 12856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise, just post the binaries.) < 1340994921 767582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340994953 783477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the best way to post a binary is.. < 1340994968 273986 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very short though, like trivial < 1340994989 652746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM had an union type earlier, but indeed the latest language reference doc no longer does. Maybe they have a documented alternative somewhere. < 1340995006 560452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill see if i can find one < 1340995053 789456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: One way is to host it in your own computer. Another way is to use base-64 or uuencode or something like that. < 1340995068 821939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://llvm.org/docs/LangRef.html#pointeraliasing < 1340995074 336571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i found one < 1340995101 438362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: One way is to send it to my computer (I will give details on private message) and I will then host it < 1340995244 30641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.8 release notes: "The LLVM IR 'Union' feature was removed. While this is a desirable feature for LLVM IR to support, the existing implementation was half baked and barely useful. We'd really like anyone interested to resurrect the work and finish it for a future release." Apparently no-one did. < 1340995300 534205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they say type-based aliasing is not done on arbitrary IR code, I guess casts are safe. < 1340995318 936667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's this.. i dunno if wikisend.com is safe or not.. im putting blind faith in it.. the program itself is only 27 bytes and does very little http://wikisend.com/download/615140/test.BytePusher < 1340995348 156164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Just post the hex on esolang wiki if it is that short. < 1340995356 550658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340995409 423241 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1340995416 246436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well my main reason for mentioning it is i noticed you worked on bytepusher stuff. its not that the actual program has any value < 1340995461 885650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes I would think a short program such as that would do nothing useful, but if you want to post it anyways, if it is that short you can just post the hex < 1340995565 320811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don't you mean "add to the Visual SourceSafe library"? <-- i think that's the one i saw mentioned as "the only VCS that is worse than not having any" < 1340995580 762735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's famously bad, yes. < 1340995583 711832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have mentioned this before < 1340995608 158385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i just wanted to say that i looked at bytepusher really :D < 1340995608 309749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone ever "mean" to add something to the VSS library? < 1340995651 84792 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had my doubts about it when i first looked on the wiki but its the first time ive written a program in a hex editor < 1340995670 440456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually met someone who defended VSS (he didn't claim it was perfect, just not as bad as people made it out to be). Strange thing is he wasn't an idiot in most other respects < 1340995702 683659 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340995721 667235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that when everyone hates a given technology without using it < 1340995727 256485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i start using it < 1340995730 23714 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as everyone says < 1340995733 76276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: OK. Other programs were generated using C programs and Python programs, and one program I wrote in the PUSHEM assembler. < 1340995746 129429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he might have been sarcastic, and you're the fool < 1340995781 129035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I (knowingly) know only one VSS user, and they said it was quite bad. But I suppose they must've improved some things about it. At least I heard they added a client/server model. (Before that, all clients directly manipulated the repository over a SMB share.) < 1340995788 574144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, he seemed honest, and the rest of the people nearby were equally fooled in that case. < 1340995797 771576 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all it really does is plot a red pixel (step 1), then it plots a second pixel next to it based on reading the first keyboard byte as a colour(color) < 1340995813 301542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, proper locking for that model sounds like hell < 1340995817 263018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was really impressed that you can do all that in 27 bytes < 1340995828 115937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually seen VSS in use (as in, seen the screen while someone was using it) < 1340995838 833106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the guy who made it really knows what to do with it < 1340995839 18881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, okay, what did it look like? < 1340995854 312917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rumour has it that the dtabases had a habit of going bad often. Though I think there was a database unfucker tool too. < 1340995857 472157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember that well, but some guy was building a custom UI for it in VB < 1340995861 948800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1340995871 318090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ouch < 1340995916 943998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's piece of (partially unverified) trivia: win32 ABI only guarantees 4-byte stack alignment upon function entry, but if you have a double-precision float variable that goes on the stack, (at least some versions of) MSVC will opt to dynamically align stack to 8 with an and esp, 0xfffffff8 in the epilogue, for performance reasons. < 1340995932 556981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/epi/pro/ < 1340995935 766852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the client/server thing ever in VSS though, or is that new for team thingy? < 1340995946 267998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In VSS, I believe. < 1340995975 525063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, what is so special about that instruction? < 1340995996 811671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a reasonable way as long as the stack grows down (which it does) < 1340996004 823990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Starting with VSS 2005, Microsoft has added a client–server mode. In this mode, clients do not need write access to a SMB share where they can potentially damage the SS database." < 1340996025 86002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the special part is the alignment, not the instruction being used, I think < 1340996027 703814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's nothing special about it. It is reasonable. < 1340996031 896707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340996046 20897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alignment is kind of annoying though < 1340996055 290781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the alignment is terribly special either. It was a random useless fact, is all. < 1340996061 33223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust areyoualive . < 1340996061 937356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about 64-bit windows? < 1340996065 148049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least mostly useless. < 1340996070 71753 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_areyoualive: 8.3 < 1340996074 276497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iei < 1340996093 2454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: always 8-byte aligned, you can't push other quantities of bytes in long mode < 1340996096 102147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That has bigger stack alignment by default. Though I don't recall if it's 8 or even 16. < 1340996119 84123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say *at least* 8-byte < 1340996142 342988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I actually believe you can push two. Not four, though. < 1340996144 418011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is 1 problem i can see with it though. < 1340996159 287289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that anyone would push two.) < 1340996165 288929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: What problem? < 1340996177 598016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>+)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*15>>(>--[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*9([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%14[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340996180 342969 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 41.7 < 1340996181 188185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: iirc a smaller immediate or memory operand gets zero-expanded to 64-bit < 1340996190 211108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1340996193 38403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for registers, only 64-bit ones are allowed < 1340996241 738877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340996244 439341 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.9 < 1340996245 715948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should have made the 1 byte pixelmap address into 3 bytes.. and added a large buffer onto the end of the memory to catch it < 1340996369 402510 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so funny that he didn't < 1340996405 166920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The pseudo in Intel's manual goes: IF in 64-bit mode THEN [ IF operand size = 64 THEN [ RSP <- RSP - 8; Memory[RSP] <- Temp; (* Push quadword *) ] ELSE [ RSP <- RSP - 2; Memory[RSP] <- TEMP; (* Push word *) ] ]. < 1340996458 873962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's wrong and I'm right! < 1340996468 681605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1340996474 827302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least added a byte to toggle between 1 and 3 byte addressing of where the map of pixels begins < 1340996484 577917 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-116.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340996492 695271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a design decision. after all it's his thing not mine. < 1340996492 846487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is true is you can't push a dword, and if you use PUSH imm32, it zero-extends to eight bytes. < 1340996494 648865 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340996500 977545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just didn't occur to him < 1340996509 718049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there byte-size pushes? < 1340996520 262752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1340996531 326605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: always 8-byte aligned, you can't push other quantities of bytes in long mode <-- oh okay < 1340996543 619208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's being debated as you speak though < 1340996558 437382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, there's PUSH imm8, but I think it's always pushed at least the 16 bits. < 1340996560 197269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I thought you could puss eax and such sizes of registers still? < 1340996566 539805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can't. < 1340996598 220851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyway iirc modern compilers (gcc at least) tend to use mov relative %rsp rather than push or pop < 1340996603 263297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could do it < 1340996612 924494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, PUSH imm8 and PUSH reg8 is what I was thinking about, the question is which ones exist and what they do < 1340996619 689815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as adding your whole stack frame size on entry of the function < 1340996626 577836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's no PUSH r8, just imm8. < 1340996638 221970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And "If the source operand is an immediate and its size is less than the operand size, < 1340996641 706235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sign-extended value is pushed on the stack. If the source operand is a < 1340996644 188951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :segment register (16 bits) and the operand size is greater than 16 bits, a zero- < 1340996647 706621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended value is pushed on the stack. < 1340996654 34608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The operand size is listed to be 16, 32 or 64.) < 1340996684 332218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can do something like ADD %rsp,10 followed by MOV %rsp+2,%eax I think? (Not sure about the asm syntax for that, haven't been doing x86 asm for ages) < 1340996688 571975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pasting from the Intel PDF, from Evince, is just lousy with newlines.) < 1340996707 35534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly perform a "one-byte push" by just dec rsp. < 1340996708 456868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I meant SUB not ADD < 1340996710 79048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340996726 5162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind breaking most ABIs. < 1340996777 890382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, I can't help notice that gcc does not compile code to use PUSH and POP, rather it substracts the size of the stack frame from %rsp on function entry and then does mov relative %rsp < 1340996791 796508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you could easily have say 2 4-byte values pushed < 1340996801 889834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just increment the stack frame by 8 rather than 2*8 < 1340996818 310718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 32-bit operand size means zero-extending to 64-bit and pushing that? then there's at least two different ways to push a segment register zero-extended as 8 bytes? < 1340996832 725123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pushing immediates is silly < 1340996855 950082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I suppose imm32 would be sign-extended to 64, I just misread that on the first pass. < 1340996856 903427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm does it zero extend 16-bit registers too? < 1340996861 949823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 32-bit ones? < 1340996870 61722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use PUSH and POP if their effect matches what need to be done < 1340996871 610882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can zero-extend anything you want? < 1340996887 399034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also use AAA and so on if those work for the program done too < 1340996896 835911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well obviously, I meant if you have garbage in a register and do mov %ax,whatever < 1340996904 780347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAA and some other old crap is not available in long mode < 1340996914 846371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I know mov %eax,whatever will zero the upper 32 bits of %rax < 1340996921 589516 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how will i do 64-bit BCD math?!?!? < 1340996921 951486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it would not compile those instructions in long mode, tghen. < 1340996936 106775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's kind of weird that you put the arguments the Intel way but add AT&T prefix %s. < 1340996942 747222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, word and byte-size operations work as before on the lower bits preserving the higher bits < 1340996947 996980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I like to be unusual! < 1340996973 435560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the rationale for zero-extending 32-bit loads is that you can use 32-bit pointers for the first 4GB of memory < 1340996978 267394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, you now have lower-byte/word registers for di, si, sp, bp that didn't use to have them < 1340996987 377078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah, so would mov %ax,whatever zero the upper 32 bit but leave the bits between that and the lower 16 bits as they were before? < 1340997005 29666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it leaves all 48 upper bits unaffected < 1340997005 228331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seriously though I haven't been doing x86 asm for ages. < 1340997025 49420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mostly AVR recently. And that is recently as in half a year ago < 1340997026 492202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also AAM which allows you to set what base you want, instead of always base ten; AAD also does that; you can use these for some purpose other than BCD arithmetic < 1340997054 465865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the x86-64 "Unix ABI" requires 16-byte stack alignment; don't know about x64 Windows. (And yes, as long as you have the alignment right the bytes inside could of course form smaller objects.) < 1340997054 902511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right < 1340997079 378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as long as you don't use PUSH or POP for them that is < 1340997086 409616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1340997104 736844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you manually pack them to a register. And I still maintain you can do the 2-byte push in long mode. < 1340997115 616725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So four times push ax should be okay. < 1340997126 480344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about alignment of x87 floating point on 32-bit windows? That is 80 bytes isn't it? What alignment does that need? < 1340997145 636881 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 80 bits? < 1340997150 311443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it? < 1340997153 225303 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the 80 bit format is only used internally < 1340997157 343495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1340997158 62702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in FPU registers < 1340997163 440324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *can* store them, though. < 1340997166 427070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does long double then use when written to memory? < 1340997166 578133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody often does. < 1340997175 64856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The AAD instruction sets the value in the AL register to (AL + (10 * AH)), and then clears the AH register to 00H." (The number ten in there can be changed to an eight-bit immediate value) < 1340997190 283426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC writes the 80-bit long doubles as 12-byte or 16-byte objects depending on a flag. < 1340997212 959455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, is that a BCD instruction? < 1340997220 175634 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't long double just a double on x86-64? < 1340997224 729400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the fun thing with the new lower-byte registers is that with the 64-bit operand prefix, ah, bh, ch, dh change meaning to spl, bpl, sil, dil < 1340997224 910042 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because fuck x87) < 1340997226 844434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340997227 395995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-m96bit-long-double and -m128bit-long-double. < 1340997238 761903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 100% sure that isn't so. I got different results last time I checked < 1340997252 321152 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well then. < 1340997255 26396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is the command for ASCII adjust before division, so yes it is meant to be a BCD instruction, although it has other uses too. < 1340997265 844979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at least gcc compiled my use of long double into x87 instructions on 64-bit x86 Linux < 1340997281 390386 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it is, then. < 1340997297 21752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow got the idea that x87 was entirely unavailable in long mode < 1340997299 232093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway my question concerned alignment of long double on the 32-bit windows stack < 1340997301 929926 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It isn't. < 1340997305 187079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AAM instruction does the reverse operation of AAD; it does division and modulo by immediate. < 1340997314 928331 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: x87 is *entirely* available in long mode. < 1340997318 426080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm thinking 16 bits. < 1340997324 883687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, makes sense < 1340997326 728361 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And worse still, necessary for MMX to work. < 1340997343 985031 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, you're not *that* likely to use it. Still.) < 1340997351 168745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, it could be 12, but they already align doubles to 8 for performance, so... < 1340997361 786768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has the fanciest -mfpmath=both. "Attempt to utilize both instruction sets at once. This effectively doubles the amount of available registers, and on chips with separate execution units for 387 and SSE the execution resources too. Use this option with care, as it is still experimental, because the GCC register allocator does not model separate functional units well, resulting in unstable ... < 1340997362 136509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I actually used it for one thing. Trying to remember what it was... < 1340997367 785918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... performance." < 1340997372 293444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, because of that mmx/fpu registers sharing registers thing? < 1340997377 297481 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yup. < 1340997389 70519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does anyone use MMX on 64-bit though? < 1340997393 387791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was all SSE < 1340997438 714573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's fairly horrible < 1340997461 420063 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because of SSE2, in practice SSE is an extension to MMX. < 1340997470 452216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, different register set though < 1340997474 297595 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of the SSE2 opcodes are MMX opcodes extended to work on XMM registers) < 1340997478 94487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340997487 858334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no need to support the legacy registers in theory < 1340997491 469634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the AAM and AAD instructions are useful even if you do not use BCD arithmetic. < 1340997502 690918 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but x86_64 was designed to be a *minimal* change to x86. < 1340997509 915178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, IIRC they are gone on 64-bit x86 < 1340997523 836535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, and the opcodes converted into new prefixes or something < 1340997533 490795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but I would think they would still work if not in 64-bit mode < 1340997538 702778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yet they dropped vm86 < 1340997547 536050 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's actually hard to do. < 1340997554 27610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? < 1340997560 756369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think the BCD opcodes were left unassigned, just removed < 1340997569 902010 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was less work to keep something than remove it, they kept it. < 1340997575 854634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the CPU still has to be able to do that when running a 32-bit OS though < 1340997581 967728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the functionality is still there < 1340997598 184404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all one-byte inc (and dec?) opcodes got reassigned to prefix duty, but those were already redundant with other encodings for those isntructions < 1340997628 56032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what did they do with AAM and AAD then? < 1340997637 245970 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but to get it working under x86_64 you need to get segmentation working under x86_64. < 1340997646 638632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1340997663 55336 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM86 is mostly just sticking segmentation on top of paging. < 1340997672 165701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but uh doesn't 64-bit still have some segment registers? IIRC one is used for something still < 1340997688 342747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fs relative addressing iirc? < 1340997689 256590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still set a base on %fs and %gs < 1340997691 45995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might misremember < 1340997693 574000 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the limits are not checked < 1340997700 779696 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but those are vestigial. < 1340997701 51866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the bases are set by writing some MSRs. < 1340997704 187036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs, ds, es, ss are all stuck to 0 base < 1340997708 555231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what were those bases used for? < 1340997709 849259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun stuff: 0x90 is XCHG eax,eax but is used everywhere as NOP - but according to the zero-extending 32-bit stuff that instruction should no longer be a no-op in long mode < 1340997716 294730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread local storage iirc? < 1340997719 352856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one? < 1340997722 597883 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depends on the OS and library < 1340997728 562266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, linux, glibc < 1340997749 587401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure %fs was used for TLS < 1340997765 846342 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Amusingly, you can still run 16-bit code when in long mode. < 1340997771 757875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they redefined it to NOP, and to do an actual XCHG eax,eax you'll need to use another (existing redundant) encoding < 1340997774 331342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : more fun stuff: 0x90 is XCHG eax,eax but is used everywhere as NOP - but according to the zero-extending 32-bit stuff that instruction should no longer be a no-op in long mode <-- they special cased it though < 1340997778 483844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340997784 426558 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit protected mode code just *barely* works. < 1340997792 549333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how < 1340997800 847238 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I just know WINE does it. < 1340997806 687679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? wow < 1340997806 880892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: %fs is used for TLS and stack-protector canary < 1340997821 312761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if %gs is commonly used by anything in userspace < 1340997826 539041 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else do you think it does Win16 on x86_64? :) < 1340997827 798712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm kind of torn on if I want to check out the source to figure it out or if it would be too horrible < 1340997835 17592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it does that? nice < 1340997840 786837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used by kernels thanks to the SWAPGS instruction < 1340997843 305731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.x86-64.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-October/001009.html < 1340997857 994776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, %fs is used for two things? huh < 1340997876 768745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, %fs is used for whatever you want to use it for :) < 1340997879 456324 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack protector canary value lives within the TLS block < 1340997880 34841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If things like that stop working entirely in a 64-bit operating system, you could still either run those programs in an emulator or dual-boot to another operating system. < 1340997896 943000 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thus DOSbox. < 1340997907 219806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes < 1340997907 388681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the %fs base points to a libc internal structure, a different one per thread < 1340997909 418178 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or dosemu... < 1340997912 447582 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains various stuff like the canary value < 1340997918 60616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not dosemu < 1340997920 416137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also contains pointers to reach the user-visible TLS variables < 1340997923 126294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it uses vm86 afaik < 1340997929 89119 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dosemu now has an 8086 emulator, because of x86_64. < 1340997931 780758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340997932 85959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GS is used for TLS and a pointer to some kernel data structure on Windows. Not sure what, if anything, they do with FS. (They used to have FS pointing at those, I also don't know why they bothered swapping that for x64.) < 1340997954 434299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right < 1340997989 242874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the kernel one is easy to understand given the SWAPGS instruction < 1340997994 93672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kmc mentioned < 1340997995 193181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so in long mode, SYSCALL does not load %ss:%rsp? < 1340998009 339722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When using SYSCALL to implement system calls, no kernel stack exists at the OS entry point." < 1340998011 339694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is %ss? < 1340998023 310751 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pretty sure that's not true in 32-bit mode < 1340998025 521951 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stack segment < 1340998029 619507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is irrelevant in long mode < 1340998039 316531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapgs is pretty hard to work with, easy to swap the wrong number of times and end up with kernel code using a gs that was set by user space < 1340998068 371845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ah < 1340998084 154523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ss gets loaded with a null segment, rsp is iirc unchanged and you have to load it if you want a stack in the kernel < 1340998088 231127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when a 32-bit program running under a 64-bit OS does a SYSCALL? < 1340998109 67436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :interrupts will also give you this ss is a null segment state, but for some reason you can still access it there < 1340998126 319984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : swapgs is pretty hard to work with, easy to swap the wrong number of times and end up with kernel code using a gs that was set by user space <-- oh? Wouldn't you just execute it once after entering kernel mode? < 1340998160 919096 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and once on leaving... < 1340998166 482496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well yes < 1340998174 998261 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to make sure you got every exit path < 1340998180 923063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have clearly defined entry and exit points that shouldn't be an issue < 1340998203 861871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that is just a question about proper design though < 1340998206 30887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I'm wrong, it looks like SYSCALL doesn't load the stack pointer even in 32-bit mode < 1340998211 792628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction existed before amd64, you see < 1340998230 68747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSENTER does load the stack pointer from a MSR, but doesn't save the instruction pointer < 1340998233 128607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country < 1340998248 93312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86, what did you expect? < 1340998275 210795 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they were invented by competing companies too < 1340998284 733671 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like the NYC subway system < 1340998296 191194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was built by three competing entities < 1340998305 57137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then gradually unified < 1340998307 680387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part of the segments stuff that got left over in long mode is quite silly, you have stuff like syscall requiring a specific set (two sets, for 32-bit back-compat) of segment descriptor in the descriptor table that should look a certain way < 1340998358 74846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still most of the information is ignored and it just loads default values (like, at best it checks that you put the only allowed values in there) < 1340998417 551157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: quick comment offtopic, it has occured to me that the reason for not scrolling is that it throws out the advantage of having ZZYYXX addresses < 1340998473 59964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a way around this.. if there was a single XX0000 space where writing or reading it referenced the pixelmap < 1340998546 861634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, AVR is quite clean, except the GCC ABI for it makes no sense. Like hardware integer division puts part of the result in a fixed register (%r0 iirc), which is callee-saved in the GCC ABI. There are caller saved registers (%r24-%r27 iirc), a better mapping would have been to make %r0 a caller saved register. < 1340998568 665416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since most code could then just avoid using it, thus avoiding saving and restoring it at all < 1340998614 47697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was left shift and right shift on the model I worked with, but only one step at a time. < 1340998632 588050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVR chips are quite fun < 1340998643 940355 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Betcha "love" how x86 Linux has __kernel_vsyscall. < 1340998644 223768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have another piece of trivia that I recently came across again. Z80 has the usual arithmetic left shift (SLA, shifts zeroes in), arithmetic right shift (SRA, duplicates the sign bit) and logical right shift (SRL, shifts zeroes in again) instructions. *But*, if you look at the opcodes, there's a hole in where you'd logically have SLL, the logical left shift. And if you go and use it, ... < 1340998650 220033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... turns out it's actually one of the undocumented instructions; it's a left shift, but it shifts 1 bits in. At least one assembler still calls it SLL, though. < 1340998654 42837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that related to the vdso? < 1340998664 345429 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1340998666 147079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have much opinion about the AVR ISA, but the chips have neat peripherals < 1340998674 793271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess all microcontrollers do, but this is the one i know best < 1340998680 222537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right, I know about it then. To select SYSENTER/SYSCALL/INT < 1340998682 37214 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the generic system call function in x86's VDSO. < 1340998683 103750 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340998691 253148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, hold on < 1340998697 177253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vsyscall means something different < 1340998703 650989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in some contexts, < 1340998704 385733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a 7-bit instruction set, where addresses are 14-bits < 1340998716 456646 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vsyscall means the "system calls" that actuall execute in userspace, like gettimeofday < 1340998719 698851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh nice < 1340998729 783123 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but those don't go through __kernel_vsyscall at all. < 1340998741 725278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they are in the same sort of general area of memory iirc < 1340998745 511473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I'm not surprised they are inconsistent with terminology < 1340998746 132931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but arithmetic/logic doesn't make sense for left shifts < 1340998752 361937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are done with vdso rather than vsyscall these days iirc < 1340998758 561142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc is slightly different < 1340998761 802014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in current systems they are both in the vdso, afaik < 1340998762 886392 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kernel_vsyscall does a *real* system call. < 1340998768 107774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only matters on 64-bit < 1340998774 161341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC can compile to MMIX; when will they make LLVM compile to MMIX? < 1340998776 578027 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually have to special-case the userspace-only ones. < 1340998783 489573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what only matters on 64-bit? < 1340998794 877921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fffbbeb0000-7fffbbeb1000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] < 1340998795 88374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffff600000-ffffffffff601000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vsyscall] < 1340998799 996712 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VDSO is on all Linux archs. < 1340998800 714353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from /proc/self/maps on 64-bit < 1340998804 352509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, but since the other three are called what they are, it kind of induces the name "logical left shift". < 1340998807 379861 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last page is legacy though < 1340998810 85015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, can they make LLVM compile to Glulx? < 1340998812 248954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vsyscall is like a deprecated alternative to vdso yes < 1340998817 473176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, exactly < 1340998828 466359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and iirc only 64-bit had vsyscall as opposed to the vdso < 1340998832 69158 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340998834 304748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure when glibc does a syscall it doesn't go through either of those. < 1340998834 455943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I completely misremember < 1340998845 971800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 32-bit cat around to check with alas < 1340998846 873634 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on amd64? yeah, it uses the SYSCALL instruction < 1340998848 694873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just uses a "syscall" instruction. < 1340998856 347241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vdso is for the userspace-implemented stuff (plus syscalls), and vsyscall is only for the thing that selects the best way of doing syscalls? < 1340998870 713422 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Uh, *surely* it goes through VDSO for gettimeofday et al. < 1340998876 452232 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Basically. < 1340998881 496343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, vsyscall contains a userspace gettimeofday (legacy) iirc. While vdso contain the current user space one < 1340998886 839720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: glibc does? < 1340998890 330688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc vsyscall didn't scale and was a horrible hack < 1340998898 254895 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days vsyscall doesn't contain the legacy gettimeofday, it just contains code to make a "real" gettimeofday syscall < 1340998900 256204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but removing it would break statically linked applications < 1340998901 152058 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a compatibility hack < 1340998903 958093 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Also, on x86_64, __linux_vsyscall DNE anyways. < 1340998909 698451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: SLA/SRA have opcode 0x26/0x2E, and SRL (which is what the only shift-left in the manual is called) is 0x3E, and 0x36 does perform a left shift, so it sort of has to be called "SLL" even though it's not exactly "logical" to shift in set bits. < 1340998915 946845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ah, it used to contain a user space one < 1340998920 817500 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they minimized the amount of code in the legacy vsyscall page, to reduce attack surface < 1340998923 880362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed for LLVM functions to be both inline and naked? It may be useful to implement some of the glk.h functions in this way when targeting Glulx < 1340998925 679908 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as syscall always exists, and it's always fast) < 1340998930 942726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically the amount of code in fixed locations, for ROP) < 1340998932 723025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fair enough < 1340998953 447718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, DNE? < 1340998954 158094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since much of glk.h functions are native instructions in Glulx < 1340998959 206963 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does Not Exist < 1340998961 183924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340998965 318752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Having a "syscall" in a fixed location seems like a pretty useful thing for ROP. < 1340998975 320046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really thought I used SLL in rfk86, but it does not seem to. :/ < 1340998994 183861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you use it for? < 1340999001 124662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To shift ones in. < 1340999004 442462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on i386, you make normal syscalls through vdso, but the address of that entry point comes in through an ELF auxv, so you don't need a dynamic linker in userspace to find the syscall entry point < 1340999009 645904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh! I see! < 1340999012 950185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the syscall in question was only gettimeofday iirc? < 1340999013 678931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you do need one to find the vsyscalls for gettimeofday etc < 1340999027 348717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What do you mean? < 1340999028 192238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but in other words, you have found no use for it? < 1340999042 588345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in the vsyscalls page < 1340999046 385875 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i386 ever had that stuff at a fixed address as x86_64 does < 1340999049 256881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it contained "syscall" < 1340999060 478864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : these days vsyscall doesn't contain the legacy gettimeofday, it just contains code to make a "real" gettimeofday syscall < 1340999060 630036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it does now, doesn't it? < 1340999064 254223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, just the "fixed functionality" gettimeofday < 1340999071 695084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I thought I had. I'm sure I used it in *something*. I mean, it's like SCF; RLC (set carry flag; rotate left via carry) except shorter and doesn't mess the carry. (Er, I guess it might do the latter due to the shift. But anyway, shorter.) < 1340999072 906001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no, that is in the vdso < 1340999098 656924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you're collecting bits that come in one by one, serially, in a register, it could be nice. < 1340999100 371608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Last time I looked at [vsyscall] it was mostly empty with a few syscall instructions. < 1340999104 297328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd at a fixed address. < 1340999107 320300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== shachaf < 1340999111 479108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes... < 1340999116 159819 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the commit where they removed the interesting code in the vsyscall page < 1340999119 412744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, read the bloody source for vsyscall < 1340999134 183204 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you two are confusing two things < 1340999143 569252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vsyscall" the legacy page mapped at ffffffffff600000 < 1340999151 530044 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "vsyscall" the idea of doing system calls in userspace < 1340999158 563423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which these days is implemented not with that page, but with the vdso < 1340999169 828956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why -600000? < 1340999174 574121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1340999184 68624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't "read the bloody source", but I did "dump the bloody page and disassemble it" < 1340999190 212013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right < 1340999190 747002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a wild-ass guess as to how much space they wanted < 1340999211 247820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've given it a 1GB page, just in case < 1340999224 706966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: you can't write(1, 0xffffffffff600000, 4096) < 1340999241 779381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If bytes were IPv6 addresses... < 1340999261 261075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and? it is in the negative address space. User space shouldn't expect to be able to do anything there < 1340999267 156665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write rejects all upper-half/negative addresses? < 1340999271 349587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, I guess < 1340999272 432540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1340999284 892018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, you can read from that memory, and jump to it < 1340999286 774248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you can memcpy(buf, vsyscall); < 1340999299 561076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, of course, because that doesn't go into the kernel < 1340999303 220961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is how vsyscalls used to work < 1340999308 230860 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not "of course" < 1340999309 895249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1340999313 489017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel sets up the page tables so that you can read that page < 1340999321 429386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when ordinarily, you cannot read pages above the midpoint < 1340999326 286933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well duh, of course you couldn't do it if it didn't do that < 1340999336 921996 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't duh me < 1340999352 809442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but it is "of course" since /proc/self/maps says you can read it < 1340999357 505366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course you can memcpy it < 1340999360 451071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think kmc's point is that you can read from the page but not write(1, page); < 1340999372 136875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes and not surprising really < 1340999393 592190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/hTYC < 1340999393 958134 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad you're such a genius that this fact does not give you a moment's pause < 1340999397 18472 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 57.1 < 1340999405 128608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for telling us all how smart you are < 1340999422 651301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's one of those things where if it's not surprising you aren't thinking properly about it < 1340999428 786320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I didn't mean to offend you, nor did I intend to appear like a genius (I'm not) < 1340999430 613427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can read it, of course you can write it to a file < 1340999478 69735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What do you get back from write, incidentally? I mean, if it's EFAULT which means "outside your accessible address space", you could maybe sue someone for lying to you. < 1340999486 128141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what you get < 1340999491 942378 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that write() makes the read from kernel space, and the kernel no doubt screams about higher-half addresses in system calls. < 1340999494 415992 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because access_ok() is not particularly clever < 1340999496 774381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, err no, because write() happens in the kernel. And making the SYSCALL handler error out on kernel addresses is a reasonable security measure < 1340999511 181512 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "the SYSCALL handler" it's the code for each individual system call < 1340999526 444841 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that code has to exist in every device driver pretty much < 1340999543 53604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, exactly, which is why it makes perfect sense < 1340999546 854594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if one driver forgets it (for example the Reliable Datagram Sockets implementation), you can use that driver to root the machine < 1340999551 14317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoracle < 1340999566 3152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't really error out on kernel addresses here, it's erroring out on a "randomly" selected part of the address space, completely unrelated to whether you have access to it or not < 1340999593 553045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dude, I never said this fact was completely baffling, it makes sense, it's just slightly odd < 1340999597 438674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's because it's not actually doing access checks at all that it needs to check address ranges in the first place < 1340999599 570236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well yes, but according to the ABI anything with MSB set is kernel. < 1340999610 594275 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an amusing corner case where the kernel says you can't read a particular piece of memory, but the processor itself lets you read it < 1340999618 323378 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think we're all repeating the same facts over and over at this point < 1340999620 122996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well yes, that is true < 1340999632 18040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both that it is amusing and that we are repeating facts) < 1340999660 698148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM have anything that you can make a global variable belong to an instruction? If not, will they ever add such things? < 1340999665 33101 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get someone else in here to agree. < 1340999674 783156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the whole discussion is also amusing in a way < 1340999676 337538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "i agree with kmc" < 1340999677 469168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : i agree with kmc < 1340999682 845622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: disagree < 1340999694 63270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm, be careful of going too meta < 1340999695 133368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps by a metadata such as !owns < 1340999713 807413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which way can a variable belong to an instruction? < 1340999717 148062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, huh? < 1340999734 222787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it amusing how often [vdso]- or [vsyscall]-related discussions come up when kmc is around. < 1340999734 374107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ABI in fact explicitly does say "conforming processes may only use addresses from 0x0000000000000000 to 0x00007fffffffffff", that's also a bit funny with the readable high page there. < 1340999740 751009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't even have to start them, the just happen. < 1340999744 939212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they do? < 1340999748 358506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that is strange < 1340999751 45292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1340999751 240220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that if the instructions are stored in RAM, the address of the global variable will be the same address of the immediate operands to that instruction. < 1340999760 498429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it also say somewhere that conforming processes must use vsyscall? < 1340999773 281026 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit obnoxious that you can't use the VDSO vsyscalls without a dynamic linker < 1340999792 995462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the instructions are not stored in RAM, or if there is something else preventing the instructions from being modified, then that metadata will be removed and a warning will be emitted.) < 1340999794 849004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe not a whole dynamic linker; maybe you can get by with a simplistic ELF reader) < 1340999795 344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously it doesn't now that vdso is there but err, something < 1340999805 463511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you could write your own code to parse the ELF structure of the VDSO surely? < 1340999812 485950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends < 1340999818 503773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there dynamic relocations inside the VDSO? < 1340999819 219605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, since it doesn't have to be a full linker that shouldn't be /too/ hard < 1340999824 378307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Linux is turning into Windows! < 1340999825 902036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, this is the System V Application Binary Interface. I guess a hypothetical Linux ABI document could just say "overriding SysV ABI, you can actually have this one page if you behave". < 1340999826 442887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you need to apply those relocations < 1340999833 925690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where do you get the pointer to the vdso in the first place? < 1340999839 257944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I don't think the vdso is writable from user space < 1340999842 321026 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ELF auxv < 1340999850 142418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1340999862 699848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not a COW mapping like any other shared library? < 1340999865 192965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you'll at least need to look up stuff in the symbol table, yuck < 1340999867 13484 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is writable < 1340999871 527188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Vorpal: Can you understand what I meant now, by a variable belonging to an instruction? < 1340999875 953683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I tried to unmap or mprotect [vdso] and didn't manage it. < 1340999894 456767 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If it's writable and not COW then that's a pretty major vuln. < 1340999896 65191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't /think/ so. Since it contains some shared memory with the kernel, containing that time of day value < 1340999900 390543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the user space gettimeofday < 1340999909 218839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember a mmap_min_addr bypass where you construct an executable where the only location for the VDSO is 0 < 1340999918 953832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340999929 961281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know there's no way to get rid of [vdso]/[vsyscall]. < 1340999937 872718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I wish root could disable mmap_min_addr for a specific process, rather than for the whole system < 1340999947 886312 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you? < 1340999948 37559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably not possible, for one you have no idea how an immediate gets encoded into memory on your cpu, and self-modifying code might not work at all < 1340999955 683147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I have an emulator (ppc mac os classic emulator) that needs mmap_min_addr set to 0 to run < 1340999978 763619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better solution than switching it for the whole system would be nice < 1340999979 622607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I tried! < 1340999991 633039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the MMAP_PAGE_ZERO personality bit < 1340999994 880180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what makes me think [vsyscall] would be ideal for a debugger to do syscalls with. < 1340999995 329177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you accept that it only sometimes works, then sure it's possible but I see no sane reason for someone to add it to LLVM < 1340999996 130180 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you set that from userspace < 1341000000 105950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That is why you would need to make it a metadata which the program that compiles the LLVM code to the native code, must figure out how to encode it properly, or just ignore it < 1341000006 762181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah afaik the vdso is not writable and not COW < 1341000013 608961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1341000015 955408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the mapping: 7fff94549000-7fff9454a000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] < 1341000018 300903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not writabloe < 1341000020 461193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :writable* < 1341000020 697344 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but can it be remapped < 1341000024 259885 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says no, but i haven't tried < 1341000041 218463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why would it need to be remapped? Everything can be RIP relative < 1341000048 430565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not on 32-bit though? < 1341000051 496399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that works < 1341000061 624080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does not seem relevant < 1341000070 638424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, are you allowed to call mprotect() on it to add the write bit < 1341000078 229578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd love to be wrong! < 1341000081 654740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would doubt it, try it < 1341000099 158441 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: on i386 you get an auxv entry for the start of VDSO and another for the syscall entry point < 1341000101 681912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe you don't want to add it to LLVM, but I think it is good idea. If it is done with a metadata like this, there may be no need for it to be a part of LLVM since the backend can just parse it if it is there < 1341000104 503408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An easier way to test than what I did would be to try to write to it from gdb. < 1341000124 767765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backends that cannot use this !owns metadata can ignore it. < 1341000144 481714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, Vorpal: Can you understand what I meant now, by a variable belonging to an instruction? <-- no < 1341000163 43377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he means, if you write to that variable it changes the instruction < 1341000170 378803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did explain it though. < 1341000174 169052 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variable where "reads" are actually load immediates scattered through the code < 1341000178 216592 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "writes" change all those instructions < 1341000181 631940 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has or had a mechanism for this < 1341000187 540002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it made no sense though < 1341000216 149225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, not sane basically < 1341000219 500453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, like that, although it would normally be used to change only the instructions which want that variable as an immediate; other instructions that read it would just read the value directly < 1341000223 107168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptrace can in theory write to any memory in the process's address space, no matter what the protection. < 1341000236 80938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it is sane or not < 1341000237 271272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes so far as to convert a SHARED mapping to a PRIVATE mapping. < 1341000240 783406 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 7fff5fdc6000-7fff5fdc7000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] < 1341000246 29235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wrote over it, and read the data back out < 1341000246 180568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : linux has or had a mechanism for this <-- really? < 1341000251 969974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, look up "immediate values" < 1341000252 133677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wow < 1341000256 284272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so then it is COW < 1341000261 349965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341000262 805871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does gettimeofday still work after that? < 1341000266 220068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1341000269 448018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1341000281 414912 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure where the variables it reads are stored < 1341000287 107148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they are in the upper half of memory < 1341000290 508030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341000291 771983 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't show up in /proc/self/maps < 1341000294 682138 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are readable by userspace < 1341000306 76905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe I'm just thinking of [vsyscall], then. < 1341000307 133021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think they are static volatile variables in the vdso? < 1341000316 285942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I just got it wrong. I don't remember. < 1341000330 38733 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, i wouldn't be surprised if vsyscall is permanently read only < 1341000338 330256 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having some RWX memory at a fixed address would be a serious security concern < 1341000349 903799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define gtod (&VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data)) < 1341000353 155270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much help < 1341000358 303624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are external to the vdso they can be anywhere < 1341000361 114408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was clock_gettime though < 1341000388 109834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kernel can patch in the address or something < 1341000388 747742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/Pdfb < 1341000391 575655 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 56.8 < 1341000405 903994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so the variable is basically read until it doesn't change between two reads? < 1341000412 225541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1341000445 122268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust should be more like core wars. < 1341000451 761026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :../kernel/vmlinux.lds:.vsyscall_var_vsyscall_gtod_data ADDR(.vsyscall_0) + (3072 + 128) + 128 : AT((ADDR(.vsyscall_var_vsyscall_gtod_data) - ((-10*1024*1024) - __vsyscall_0 + 0xffffffff80000000))) { *(.vsyscall_var_vsyscall_gtod_data) } vsyscall_gtod_data = (ADDR(.vsyscall_var_vsyscall_gtod_data) - ((-10*1024*1024) - __vsyscall_0)); < 1341000451 912707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that? in case there's a context switch just after you read it? < 1341000452 828896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1341000466 169882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, because there are two fields < 1341000471 759032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so you need to do it atomic < 1341000484 751918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I guess there could be a context switch < 1341000496 94220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of reading it < 1341000504 39309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i cmpxchg16b < 1341000504 233220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct timeval { < 1341000504 409326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : time_t tv_sec; /* seconds */ < 1341000504 560622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : suseconds_t tv_usec; /* microseconds */ < 1341000504 560799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : }; < 1341000518 933496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :time_t is 64-bit, not sure about suseconds_t < 1341000535 145798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for clock_gettime it is definitely two 64-bit values < 1341000541 833081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah the joy of linker scripts < 1341000541 984255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm you need a LOCK prefix < 1341000547 783510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/EiIc < 1341000550 970050 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 57.5 < 1341000567 674606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that one looks generated. No human would write that line < 1341000570 540420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :suseconds_t is 16-bit, so it only works for the first 65ms of a second < 1341000579 834148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you would be surprised < 1341000592 774799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no seriously, not on one line < 1341000616 762025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added [ ] repeat in ITMCK. It normally has to be all on one line, but it is OK for [ outside of a macro and ] inside of a macro as long as it is tail recursive. Repeat [ ] cannot nest although you can have a macro inside of [ ] which the macro also has [ ] < 1341000623 793121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also the second line of the file reads: " * Automatically generated C config: don't edit" < 1341000627 281361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, -10*1024*1024, that's 0xffffffff600000 < 1341000635 698636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will get error messages if you do it wrong.) < 1341000635 850003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, on that specific kernel < 1341000639 971281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Ten megs should be enough for everyone. < 1341000640 940053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm not even running atm < 1341000646 973978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linker scripts are the best, though. < 1341000653 396974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wait, is that in the vsyscall page? < 1341000654 117377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the simplest way is to use gdb to step into the vsyscall code < 1341000681 385950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vsyscall_gtod_data was also a hint if the address wasn't enough < 1341000718 131423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) disassemble clock_gettime < 1341000718 338833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dump of assembler code for function clock_gettime: < 1341000718 490200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x00007ffff7ffb8d0 < 1341000719 557760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what? < 1341000723 576856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that address < 1341000723 728001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bss ALIGN(4) (NOLOAD) : { . = . + 72; f = .; . = . + 4096; /* such a hack */ *(.bss) } (Okay, it wasn't on one line.) < 1341000734 938092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe this kernel is too old < 1341000737 844254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) break gettimeofday < 1341000738 22881 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot access memory at address 0x7ffff7ffb9f0 < 1341000739 729797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ubuntu 10.04 < 1341000751 471422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, try disassemble on it? < 1341000751 933306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mprotect to make it writeable first? < 1341000757 965495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1341000781 242968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I thought glibc called the vdso. rather than you calling it directly < 1341000786 232824 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there efb < 1341000792 371927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb? < 1341000824 138223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of that time I set a breakpoint inside what happened to be an immediate NULL value in the code < 1341000824 289785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a version of 'bfjoust' where programs are actually in-memory and can modify each other? < 1341000837 888338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't have debug symbols for that page < 1341000840 966895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is painful < 1341000845 865061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of gdb setting breakpoints by modifying code) < 1341000850 894969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what happened? < 1341000856 307239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to add runtime subroutines to ITMCK. But there would be some limitations, based on the limitations of the .IT file format: * Runtime subroutines cannot be nested. * Channels must all be synchronized for runtime subroutines (although it may be possible to turn off a channel before calling the subroutine). < 1341000863 558127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of these restrictions applies to macros. < 1341000867 503298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the code ran, but set the variable to 0xcc instead of null < 1341000872 380104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341000879 29996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: FukYourBrane? < 1341000887 244871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://esolangs.org/wiki/FukYorBrane not so popular. < 1341000890 231907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I thought gdb used hardware breakpoints as long as there were enough around to spare < 1341000911 691012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't have access to set those < 1341000926 799822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I thought ptrace provided that? < 1341000959 921380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hbreak -- Set a hardware assisted breakpoint < 1341000967 134953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, guess it doesn't by default? < 1341000988 637770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :may or may not work I guess < 1341000999 459215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you only have like 4 of them per cpu < 1341001002 491636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1341001003 119178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1341001004 548803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not so popular? < 1341001014 889523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that to be much better than bfjoust. < 1341001023 708888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated < 1341001029 222783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust is simple < 1341001033 164650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pung < 1341001033 774869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well it works to break on _init in /bin/cat at least < 1341001033 926304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1341001039 502965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data buffer for each of them is the opponent's program buffer. < 1341001040 211945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1341001043 765902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess runtime subroutines probably could be nested, although there would still be the restriction against desynchronized subroutines. < 1341001043 992409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems weird. < 1341001048 41007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not per core? < 1341001064 666133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "edit: fuck, beaten" < 1341001074 67258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, on what? < 1341001074 852179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is skype not working for anyone else? < 1341001076 351590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FukYorBrane sucks. :) < 1341001083 92806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say what you had just said < 1341001088 687630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341001102 702306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also what about hyper threading here ;P < 1341001103 807981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to BF programs running in the SAME memory. < 1341001115 170170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two < 1341001120 542927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's some undocumented special features in the hardware breakpoint #0, it had some sort of data-conditional (with masks) thingamajik. < 1341001125 104425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1341001147 323774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, undocumented eh? Anyway data-conditional aren't that uncommon. Quite useful sometimes < 1341001154 718096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably very limited since it is hw < 1341001156 520490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1341001177 765598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....+[]1...........[->]2... < 1341001185 746836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 1 is where the cell pointer of program 1 points to < 1341001186 289194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was something very limited. < 1341001193 755218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2 where the cell pointer of program 2 points to. < 1341001202 69163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the best hardware breakpoints I ever used was on AVR (with a debugger board connected to it with JTAG). IIRC they were quite numerous and had a lot of functionality < 1341001207 623963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *shrug* I did mean cpu==core, but there may be interesting conditionals of course < 1341001209 658913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :JTAG is awesome btw < 1341001213 736874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is [vdso] in kernel address space in 32-bit Linux but user address space in 64-bit Linux? < 1341001226 257097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I doubt that... < 1341001235 455430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think it's user mapped in both < 1341001239 614294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps there should be some command it ITMCK which allows you to have multiple entry points and to specify the order number for each one, for compatibility with programs that expect specific order numbers. < 1341001249 337926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f57fe000-f57ff000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] < 1341001252 838566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b7827000-b7828000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] < 1341001264 209599 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that must be on a 64-bit kernel? < 1341001280 526578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, aren't both of those in the the same address space? Below the upper 1 GB on 32-bit that is < 1341001287 148463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I guess it is. < 1341001311 886485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a 64-bit kernel, 32-bit processes get the full 4GB < 1341001318 41925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341001319 304942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1341001320 10803 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I don't know where the magic vsyscall variables go then! < 1341001331 875530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, it's a 32-bit kernel. < 1341001333 747902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they aren't on 32-bit? That fixed page I mean < 1341001344 759298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so what would it matter < 1341001345 740201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :10MB below 4GB perhaps? < 1341001352 524003 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh < 1341001365 928732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, all you have to do is map in a single page somewhere with your data. You could reserve a full page inside your VDSO for that < 1341001366 404731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the rest of libraries are mapped around 0xb0000000? < 1341001377 121940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1341001377 609399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that one of those pages happens to be empty apart from the shared variables < 1341001385 12621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just map that page in specially < 1341001389 173960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, sounds reasonable? < 1341001394 98606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because iirc that is how it is done < 1341001402 539824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure though < 1341001409 684672 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's tricky though < 1341001420 914796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make sure that user writes to that page will fault < 1341001430 988886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either to implement COW or just abort, it's not really relevant) < 1341001443 914925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bah, the postings about it seem to have vanished. But from some related posts, you need to have 0x9c5a203a in edi for the controlling MSRs to actually appear to exist. And they were AMD-only. So, very undocumented. < 1341001448 783988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :COW sounds counter-productive on the page that contains the current time and things like that < 1341001451 205436 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the page has to be readable from userspace and writable from kernel < 1341001462 224145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sure, but maybe you should allow userspace to COW that page if they really want to < 1341001468 715553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe it's the simplest default behavior, i don't know < 1341001484 464643 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think i know what < 1341001491 313899 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set up another mapping to that physical page < 1341001525 213699 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you would do this anyway < 1341001533 498027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1341001547 224145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x86 doesn't have bits for "ro for user, rw for kernel" afaik < 1341001556 234638 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has "user" and "writable" < 1341001557 841525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you have to make sure that user writes to that page will fault <-- just set the page protections for that? < 1341001585 529207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's a flag for ignoring write protection entirely in kernel mode < 1341001589 33389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so you map that physical page into two different virtual addresses yes < 1341001606 65575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, linux relies on that stuff for security so probably that's useless < 1341001606 546948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh yeah! < 1341001607 805580 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1341001620 798991 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned about that from the kernel exploitation book ;) < 1341001622 418276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, pretty sure linux doesn't use that, since there is an option to write protect certain kernel structures in the kernel config < 1341001625 841078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on by default < 1341001635 395951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn it off in the debug section of the kernel config < 1341001640 815118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux relies on it for several things < 1341001649 811687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it does? Then why that flag? < 1341001654 871958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example read(2) should respect the page tables < 1341001655 939254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it switch back and forth? < 1341001664 598894 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should not be able to read into read-only memory < 1341001666 44749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh) < 1341001679 468846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the writes within sys_read() or whatever should fault < 1341001682 118969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you should only read *out* of read-only memory < 1341001691 877 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, write out of read-only memory ;) < 1341001692 391325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I remember Linux/ARM dropped support for PTRACE_SINGLESTEP, because it used to work by using breakpoint-based emulation, and the kernel ARM instruction decoder was too broken (no Thumb-2 and not all instructions anyway) to figure out where to put the breakpoint always. < 1341001710 211223 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341001710 996171 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pagefault handler has a table of places in the kernel code where a fault means some sensible error condition rather than a kernel bug < 1341001727 172805 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, you can annotate any instruction in the kernel with "if this instruction faults, jump to here" < 1341001727 324404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently there's no hardware-assisted direct single-step feature on ARM.) < 1341001753 658552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And not too many people were actually using it.) < 1341001762 872473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the kernel honoring user memory mapping really has two parts < 1341001776 489461 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the address check, "is it above 0xc0000000" or whatever < 1341001777 574234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess gdb can emulate it using breakpoints < 1341001788 3230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whole approach to kernel/user memory access seems horrible < 1341001791 41197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is handling faults on reads/writes to userspace < 1341001794 377843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes it is < 1341001815 207801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was performant enough, and doing the checks manually is also pretty horrible < 1341001828 154177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what x86 segmentation was designed for! < 1341001830 821235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, apparently gdb "stepi" does it in userspace by doing ptrace PEEKTEXT to see where it should put a breakpoint, and handles the instruction decoding by itself. < 1341001840 172030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like ideal for this < 1341001845 232814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw did you know that if you have some inline asm in C with a loop inside and you try to step (to the next source line) it will take forever because what it does is repeatedly single step < 1341001859 878871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on x86 that is < 1341001865 675796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, linux doesn't use it because it's not portable < 1341001867 301593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x86-64 actually < 1341001881 537654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PaX patches do use it though < 1341001898 75952 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can build a Linux kernel where userspace and kernelspace have different sets of page tables, but it's uncommon and has a performance penalty < 1341001943 579207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, pax must be 32-bit only then? < 1341001982 555745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, anyway the different page table thing, isn't that what is done for VT-x with the nested page table thing on nehalem (sp?) and later < 1341002026 397878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PaX has a number of features < 1341002036 503235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, okay? < 1341002039 762140 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them don't depend on segmentation < 1341002042 639601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341002053 814222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about the particular feature of "kernel can't read from userspace unless it knows it's doing so" < 1341002059 42322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341002066 438939 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which on i386 is implemented with segmentation < 1341002074 740460 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on amd64 they have a slower implementation using some page table voodoo < 1341002080 1764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't understand in detail < 1341002084 475357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, heh < 1341002096 756885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and on ARM? < 1341002111 756893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I hear that VT-x supports what amounts to tagged TLB, which is a welcome feature < 1341002124 944496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know anything about the state of PaX on architectures other than x86-{32,64} < 1341002145 227143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, my desktop should support it. it is sandy bridge. my laptop is core 2 duo though, so it can do VT-x, but not the nested page table < 1341002161 13858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ARM a clean architecture or is it just as bad? < 1341002179 331028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the address space ID:s only come on some (higher-end? xeon?) cpus < 1341002185 702115 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is cleaner than x86 < 1341002188 944604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is less history, for one < 1341002193 455700 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not without its share of weirdness < 1341002197 434134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341002198 861091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1341002200 335210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there is a zoidberg programming language http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/vsstl/confessions_of_a_php_addict/c57efs1?context=2
< 1341002209 853983 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, the RISC philosophy is to push weirdness into the ISA, with the goal of making the implementation simpler < 1341002215 262381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, really? Hm < 1341002246 92924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, but any amusing examples? < 1341002255 685024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is sort of a "second generation RISC" in that the designers thought very carefully about the traditional drawbacks of RISC and tried to counteract them < 1341002267 153127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I remember reading a sentence that sounded like that somewhat recently, too. < 1341002269 734315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, for one, most ARM chips support two different ISAs < 1341002273 522653 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM and Thumb < 1341002277 140174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1341002278 934598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Thumb comes in two major versions too < 1341002283 461424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also a 64-bit ARM is in the works < 1341002287 929817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, a reasonable fallback implementation is to just mask off the ASID part of cr3 and flush the TLB every time < 1341002291 389622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no product yet announced < 1341002297 199641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that will add a third ISA < 1341002298 477563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM, Thumb, and Thumb-2 all have completely different ways of handling conditionals < 1341002307 238970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341002319 634712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it will add a fourth ISA then < 1341002325 253489 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can call between ARM and Thumb{,-2} code < 1341002341 627079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "am I in Thumb" bit is stored in the (ignored) LSB of the instruction pointer < 1341002344 127204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how do they handle conditionals? Isn't it just a case of checking a flag register and jumping based on that? < 1341002357 537075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice, because it's saved and restored with calls < 1341002360 961005 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also a little wacky < 1341002367 100550 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: on ARM, *any* instruction can be made conditional < 1341002373 645988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like CMOV < 1341002373 797079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cuts down on the number of branches, hence pipeline stalls < 1341002376 834966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341002381 165748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any instruction :) < 1341002383 344599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1341002391 426244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Thumb-1 you have conditional branches only < 1341002393 428078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fairly limited possible conditions though I guess? < 1341002398 113200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Thumb-2 you have this even wackier thing < 1341002423 591847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1341002426 556844 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do your test or whatever, and then you issue a pseudoinstruction like IF or ITTF < 1341002432 637222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF means "do the next instruction only if false" < 1341002436 420133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341002440 926247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITTF means "do the next 2 instructions if true, and the one after that if false" < 1341002446 898390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can conditionalize 4 instructions this wya < 1341002449 261374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the same as variable length instructions < 1341002450 495705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 could've replaced its conditional jumps with conditional-execution prefixes < 1341002453 37826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with prefixes < 1341002455 394368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sort of < 1341002464 589151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the two instruction thingy... < 1341002466 81307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, You said it stored if it was Thumb in the LSB, what about Thumb-1/Thumb-2? Or doesn't a CPU support both at the same time? < 1341002477 76743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thumb-2 is a superset of Thumb-1, iirc < 1341002483 27640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341002486 620883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is there any overhead from the switching? < 1341002489 506238 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1341002505 245641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thumb-2 is supposed to be mostly a replacement for the original ARM ISA < 1341002517 827677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so you don't ever leave Thumb? < 1341002518 729194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Thumb-1 is limited and it's expected that you call back into ARM routines for some things < 1341002521 783315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341002524 120950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341002526 657610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit, for OS stuff. i don't know really < 1341002536 216814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what about the ARM64 stuff then? < 1341002537 456709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding "fairly limited possible conditions", i think it has the usual ones < 1341002538 170703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on how common the ARM/Thumb cross-jumps are, I think they're supposedly mostly overhead free < 1341002540 698904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not released yet, but in the works < 1341002544 664062 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about ARM64 < 1341002551 690838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, iirc there wouldn't be a new Thumb variant for it < 1341002564 847573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they will probably try to design a single variable length encoding like Thumb-2 and stick to it < 1341002569 187199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just decided to go with a Thumb like 64-bit thingy < 1341002576 837718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should call it Leg and use 64-bit long instructions < 1341002576 989061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't need to support fast 64-to-32 calls the way you need to support Thumb-1 to ARM calls < 1341002586 102889 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be in a privileged flag bit < 1341002587 355612 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hahaha < 1341002601 828111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Thumb-2 is variable length? What about Thumb-1 and ARM? < 1341002603 814202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: another wacky thing about ARM is that there are multiple incompatible FPUs used with it < 1341002612 285993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has 32-bit instructions < 1341002619 857834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341002622 390020 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Thumb ISAs have some 16- and some 32-bit instructions < 1341002625 299518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is huge < 1341002636 126742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one advantage of Thumb is, it executes much faster on embedded processors with only 16-bit data bus < 1341002641 818900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341002653 633688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM isn't only for shiny smartphones, the cheapest ARM chips cost like $3 < 1341002664 89697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1341002670 759500 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many variants of ARM owing to its licensed nature < 1341002672 22420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is in bulk though < 1341002686 963934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's pretty nice that the instructions have all that space though, everything has a condition, and most instructions have three operands plus one operand register can have a shift offset for free < 1341002688 265062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway why the incompatible FPUs < 1341002704 861985 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because they didn't specifiy one initially, and then different licensees integrated differet ones? < 1341002707 766556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know really < 1341002708 651811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what about long jumps though? < 1341002712 82024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 3DNow / MMX, but worse < 1341002716 767036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341002721 684509 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM does have a uniform way to talk to coprocessors, though < 1341002726 16768 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a set of instructions reserved for that < 1341002731 976302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you talk to the MMU too, iirc < 1341002732 690089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I hope the high end ARM does have a unified FPU? < 1341002733 428886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have one < 1341002733 725444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for jumping far, Leg is recommended instead of ARM < 1341002740 991601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ... < 1341002749 274534 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, there is now a standard SIMD instruction set too < 1341002750 175500 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEON < 1341002773 249937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I meant when your jump target needs a 32-bit address, rather than something you can embed in a 32-bit address < 1341002778 653753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 32-bit instruction* < 1341002794 520412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, in addition to ARM and Thumb, there is another mode for hardware-assisted JVM < 1341002798 844323 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is vestigial in recent chips < 1341002805 885469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, riight? What mode is that < 1341002811 61715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jazelle < 1341002813 755610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1341002821 864611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it provide for JVM support then? < 1341002827 996197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's *another* mode called ThumbEE (Thumb Execution Environment) < 1341002841 347483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a variant of Thumb used for running managed code more efficiently < 1341002853 996963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: load the address, then jump to it ... the usual thing with RISC and large immediate values, I guess < 1341002863 836252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New features provided by ThumbEE include automatic null pointer checks on every load and store instruction, an instruction to perform an array bounds check, ..." < 1341002893 944184 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they never published the specs you would need to make a JVM that takes advantage of Jazelle < 1341002895 35015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah okay. I seem to remember AVR did have a long jump though, even though otherwise it was mostly RISC < 1341002913 633749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that sounds stupid < 1341002931 457192 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the avoidance of doubt, distribution of products containing software code to exercise the BXJ instruction and enable the use of the ARM Jazelle architecture extension without [..] agreement from ARM is expressly forbidden" < 1341002937 582131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1341002938 856285 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty shitty < 1341002943 167607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it never really caught on, iirc < 1341002949 294801 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThumbEE is the less shitty replacement < 1341002949 565629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it implemented some java bytecodes directly in hardware, supposedly has something for array bounds checks and a way to describe some parts of how your heap looks so that the Jazelle thing can do it for you < 1341002967 2715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1341002981 173829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone compiled Qt on N900 with -mfp=neon and had that Stellarium night-sky-browser app go from 10 fps to 60 fps. < 1341002993 407875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think for any recent implementation of the thing, all it does is read a byte and jump to the registered "unhandled instruction" handler < 1341003002 963260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why wasn't Qt compiled like that by default? < 1341003023 693461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that -mfpu=neon. Anyway, the one that makes it do autovectorization. < 1341003040 186817 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341003041 297667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some option that contained the substring "neon" anyway. < 1341003049 173856 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1341003057 180618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why wasn't it done like that by default < 1341003073 41284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway Stellarium uses opengl right? So why not just use the GPU of the device < 1341003073 498822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not have been so well-supported by GCC when it was originally compiled, or something. < 1341003076 98402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do the heavy work < 1341003087 912413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does use EGL, I believe, yes. < 1341003106 85087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me there is a hardware GPU on that phone? < 1341003109 209567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1341003117 429982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm then what < 1341003121 634867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that kind of depends on the software author offloading enough work there. < 1341003126 462378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341003146 624326 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you can do efficient communication between CPU and GPU to get useful work done < 1341003169 166486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well stellarium just need to provider a couple of shaders and a sky texture < 1341003171 894568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all really < 1341003183 485772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and update some coordinates for where the user is looking < 1341003188 551749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so what's Qt doing in there? < 1341003192 126033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1341003210 558713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a Qt UI. Anyway, I don't know the details; just saw the reported results. < 1341003216 195541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341003229 537129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know how good the GPU is. It's the same OMAP 3430 SoC / PowerVR SGX 530 GPU / TMS320C64x DSP combo that was in many phones at that time. < 1341003232 441553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, have you recompiled it like that? < 1341003253 247002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid, I think. < 1341003261 739458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no. I mean, I don't have Stellarium installed either. :p < 1341003267 92786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have many Qt apps on it. < 1341003328 960380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I haven't bothered to mess with the software very much. Haven't even installed the CSSU, the community-supplied "System Software Update" that they made now that Nokia's no longer interested. < 1341003342 986300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341003391 932973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for abandoned platforms < 1341003395 399596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DSP is real fancy, though; I did get some TI docs and tools to maybe write some code for it, just haven't managed to actually. < 1341003407 399587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VLIWy thing, I've never really written code by hand for one. < 1341003412 785583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341003416 782866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not a sensible thing to do either, but just for recreation. < 1341003417 871946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1341003425 87152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is it normally used for? < 1341003428 625658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :256-bit instructions. < 1341003436 771731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the usual, video/music decoding. < 1341003437 216962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are used for what? sound? < 1341003439 382592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341003459 406734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think on later OMAP chips they've dropped the separate DSP core and just use the GPU. Possibly. < 1341003482 668776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brand is OMAP? < 1341003485 306095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does JPEG encoding for the camera app too. < 1341003490 629006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arm echo system is confusing < 1341003498 36992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah you can get raw photos then? congrats < 1341003500 836569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMAP is TI's platform. < 1341003523 171333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get raw images if you install the custom camera drivers, yes. The stock camera app doesn't do it. < 1341003523 543282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when used for music, the GPU could be called a Groove Processing Unit < 1341003531 360193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough < 1341003542 337105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you are not oerjan < 1341003543 601565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1341003563 773555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stop what? < 1341003565 224822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the JPEG quality factor in the stock app is hardcoded for the DSP-driven encoder. If you want to change it, you have to also switch to a CPU encoder. So lazy. < 1341003569 390193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the terrible puns < 1341003597 710826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341003627 741633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the rules for ARM Jazelle to use BXJ work like that? Why is permission required? < 1341003644 322108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, looks like an NDA? < 1341003650 885589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because they want money for it < 1341003683 266529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly they have licensed the java stuff from somewhere that requires licenses < 1341003693 183971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a version of ARM that does not have those instructions? < 1341003715 549383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, looks from the wikipedia summary like ARM64 will be similar to ARM32. Which doesn't seem sensible to me < 1341003718 919012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think most versions don't support the extension at all < 1341003766 356720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correction: seems that even the latest OMAP generation (OMAP 5, not even out yet) has a discrete DSP. Well, they're Texas Instruments, I guess they felt like they had to. But they've certainly complicated the thing in other ways: "OMAP 5 SoC uses a dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 CPU with two additional Cortex-M4 cores to offload the A15s in less computionally intensive tasks to increase ... < 1341003772 351454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... power efficiency, two PowerVR SGX544MP graphics cores and a dedicated TI 2D BitBlt graphics accelerator, a multi-pipe display sub-system and a signal processor." < 1341003780 265270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i do like the core ARM architecture < 1341003783 937912 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional instructions are cool < 1341003796 388126 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction pointer is a general purpose register < 1341003801 307536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice. Is that as many cores as the PS2 yet? < 1341003817 533961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1341003829 761465 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to deciding which instructions are conditional < 1341003829 912526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so that's like 9 different cpu-like things in one SoC < 1341003837 483666 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also decide which arithmetic instructions update the condition flags < 1341003850 821705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of necessary for it to work well < 1341003856 6967 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 6 different ones, plus three that are similar to three of those 6 < 1341003857 166344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my phone has a Exynos 4212 Quad < 1341003861 449669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should check the specs on that < 1341003885 686984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a cool instruction which transfers any subset of the registers to or from memory < 1341003902 136055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be use for pushing/popping blocks of registers across a function call < 1341003905 556790 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just for bulk data transfers < 1341003944 713014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it better, those are the push and pop instructions, and can also be used to return from a function by pushing the link register and popping the program counter < 1341003974 6413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you like that, how about that FirePath? It's got conditional SIMD stuff, you can do "cmphib p0, r1, r2" to individually compare all bytes of r1/r2, store the results in predicate register p0, and then do a predicated "p0.movb r2, r1" to move only the ones for which the comparisons were true? < 1341003982 952460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's designed by Sophie Wilson too. < 1341003984 9675 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neat < 1341004008 746062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also there's a cool instruction which transfers any subset of the registers to or from memory <-- how can you define any subset? A bitmask? < 1341004012 729919 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341004018 790053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there's very little material about it anywhere, Broadcom uses it in their DSLAMs and such but that's about it. < 1341004042 126336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that limits the number of registers you can have. ARM64 is going to have 32-bit instruction and 31 general purpose 64-bit registers < 1341004052 214504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think that is going to work if the bitmask is immediate < 1341004071 481833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341004073 114109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't the function to save registers seems kind of useless < 1341004074 689782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After buying Element 14, the folks that split out of Acorn.) < 1341004086 993842 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another bit of ARM trivia: in the standard ABI, there's a register reserved for use by the *linker* < 1341004097 473978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is possible that they will change one or two things in ARM64 < 1341004103 224196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking two functions might require the linker to emit some code, if the functions are sufficiently far apart < 1341004116 473077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes they likely will < 1341004127 1345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, MIPS has one register reserved for the assembler. It's just fair. :p < 1341004133 73040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it is going to be "mostly the same" as the 32-bit ARM ISA though it says < 1341004134 445176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Temporary in pseudo-ops.) < 1341004175 697918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two for the kernel. I wonder if/how Linux-on-MIPS uses those. < 1341004187 31175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :program counter as a GPR also means you get PC-relative addressing in a uniform way for free < 1341004280 304163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it usual for the compasses in smartphones to be good? In the smartphones I used previously they were mostly crap. In my new phone it seems deadly accurate though... < 1341004617 241767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No compass at all, so can't really comment first-hand. < 1341004653 745661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irrelated; the C54x DSP, which was the one of the platforms on the "DSP and audio processing" course, is not VLIW, but it has a couple of specific "do these two things in parallel" instructions. The syntax, though... I mean, here's a comb filter: http://sprunge.us/HZie -- the parallel syntax is that || thing, and the two lines are actually a single instruction. < 1341004721 11448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1341004747 796979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very restricted which two instructions you can ||, I think there weren't more than three or four specific combinations. < 1341004792 696159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think with additional restrictions on the available registers/addressing modes because they were running out of bits. < 1341004874 18891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341004899 311504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also funny: http://sprunge.us/bGgA < 1341004914 422057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "useful.txt" lists which files are worth looking at. There were seven. < 1341004940 202135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a giant zip of documentation they gave us.) < 1341004979 975074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341004988 77708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the documentation numbers don't have any sort of logic. Though I'm sure there's a list somewhere. < 1341005016 518707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. spru131g.pdf, spru172c.pdf and spru302.pdf are volumes 1, 2 and 5 (the useful ones) of the C54x DSP Reference Manual. < 1341005029 723863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341005078 453094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that course a whole lot, incidentally. < 1341005097 335176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1341005126 848017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you got to write some assembly, that's always good fun. I think there were a total of two courses like that, including this one. < 1341005165 42903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also to play with unusual (from my viewpoint, anyway) hardware. < 1341005179 635790 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all good fun :) < 1341005216 31290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we did waste like three days wondering what was wrong in our serial communication thing before finding out the speaker cable I had "borrowed" for the purpose was actually broken, and worked/not-worked vaguely depending on the angle it was in. < 1341005229 849157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to write me some "GPU assembly" at some point < 1341005230 898309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341005240 404699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about VHDL or Verilog? < 1341005267 286998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you can't really, the required information isn't really public < 1341005270 519394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of that available, but I didn't end up taking those courses. Probably would've been fun, but you can't do all. < 1341005279 85078 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: exactly < 1341005312 804259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel supposedly released complete documentation on their ivy bridge GPU, but probably none of that is applicable for other vendors < 1341005340 26924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DSP course was, incidentally, the one where we had that TI-86 driven control device I'm sure I've mentioned before. < 1341005343 194258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the worst case it's just more x86 cpus < 1341005350 600058 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't think i heard about it < 1341005507 306430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: See, the task (for us) was to do some sort of an echo effect on the DSP, but the devel board only has like four buttons and four leds, so it doesn't do much IO. So we (well, one in our three-person group) wrote a TI-86 proggie to graphically show four slider controls that controlled the effect, and then communicated changes in those from the TI-86 link port to the board's serial port. (We ... < 1341005510 321884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that is intel GPU, not very useful :P < 1341005513 295137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... spent quite long trying to make the very programmable serial port hardware help us collect the bits, but didn't quite manage that; ended up with a software polling solution instead.) < 1341005574 937350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you must have spent ages on that project < 1341005587 553230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably a bit more than we should've. :p < 1341005594 420252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1341005613 700623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, best in class though? < 1341005614 254561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What DSP can we use for audio and video which GNU C compiler or LLVM can compile into and which has free assemblers and emulators and is not too expensive? < 1341005639 210288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was that the graph calc interface that looked weird? < 1341005644 947669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you mentioning something like that < 1341005668 324360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the effect itself wasn't all that impressive, and I don't think everyone else in the class really appreciated the TI-86 control enough. But we had unarguably the best TI-86 control interface in class, at least. < 1341005672 813151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was that one. < 1341005687 547844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't remember how it was weird though < 1341005724 910634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a collection of photos from our slides: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/dsp-collage.png < 1341005727 226891 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool < 1341005734 138719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had that whip image, at least. < 1341005744 74974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another whip-themed thing for when you pressed "send" on the calc. < 1341005772 125536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1341005774 664503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it < 1341005774 815751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Due to the name of the course, "SPÄNK", "signaaliprosessorit ja äänenkäsittely", "DSPs and sound processing".) < 1341005783 842721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1341005800 234908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the lecturer had some number of spanking-related puns. < 1341005955 954264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1341005997 934628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Clockwise from top-left: there's the Perl prototype for the actual effect; oscilloscope from some "broken wire" debugging sessions; TI's Code Composer Studio which must've crashed at least three dozen times, especially often when debugging on the live device; Audacity showing some simulated output; and in the middle the development board itself.) < 1341006012 612788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right: it didn't even have four buttons, it had four DIP switches. < 1341006064 646371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the other platforms were some sort of musician-oriented device, so it had actual turnable knobs and anything. < 1341006220 202884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341006275 698486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chameleon.synth.net/english/index.shtml <- that thing. < 1341006280 749672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1341006291 395676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's a link from the old course page to there, so it must be somehow related. < 1341006302 970267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does say "24bit programmable audio dsp engine", so I suppose it's programmable. < 1341006330 189154 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you DSPing < 1341006343 307945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, now; it was just an old course. < 1341006349 932990 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1341006370 111291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chameleon has a Motorola DSP56k in it. < 1341006424 628508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :24-bit words, how fancy. (The C54x has 16-bit words.) < 1341006501 801148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the third device was a 32-bit floating-point SHARC from Analog Devices; technically even fancier.) < 1341006551 576088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341006622 694239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, the platform for each group was allocated randomly, to guarantee an even split. (Limited amount of devices to test on.) < 1341006953 244384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341006960 97550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not the same platform for everyone? < 1341006963 386136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of sad < 1341006996 580511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think there were about a dozen groups on the course, so that'd make about four groups for each of the three systems. < 1341007133 724397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the C54x had MIPS-like branch delay slots, it'd run two (or one with an immediate) instructions after each branch before actually branching. < 1341007162 289140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341007174 883977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Got sidetracked reading our old code here.) < 1341008145 2869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, side tracked from what? < 1341008168 431637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, an average day at work, what do you do apart from IRC? You seem to be available like 90% of the time < 1341008483 328466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds this question amusing.
< 1341008527 585341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he may be sleeping < 1341008560 371129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircing and sleeping, all in a day's work < 1341008582 598476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1341008615 909159 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341008632 200410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, just away. Anyway, I don't think I generally talk the *whole* day, I just have the IRC client left open on the same screen as email. < 1341008639 711854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the math (no pun intended) and decide that by doing absolutely nothing i am probably contributing to society < 1341008643 328425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1341008665 221438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you have really low self esteem < 1341008675 872782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not healthy < 1341008697 474801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the bad guys are contributing -7 -5 -22 -3.. then 0 is a lot < 1341008713 881100 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341008714 99499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not a 0 < 1341008719 943598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some days i'm maybe a -2 < 1341008730 182452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1341008732 252333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh comeon < 1341008737 132419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on* < 1341008748 332755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that way to measure it seems rather unusual < 1341008752 101013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by it < 1341008779 862066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-7) + (-5) + (-22) + (-3) + 0 ) / 5 < 1341008780 931754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -7.4 < 1341008792 490246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-7) + (-5) + (-22) + (-3) ) / 4 < 1341008793 392015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9.25 < 1341008798 831100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty pessimistic < 1341008799 18297 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i am doing < 1341008808 87873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an outlook on your own contribution < 1341008837 583143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-7.4) + 9.25 < 1341008838 459757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.8499999999999996 < 1341008853 682743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1341008868 133658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that is not a good model for contributing to a channel < 1341008890 756205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't just mean the channel < 1341008905 639935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but contributing to anything < 1341008929 435221 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341008964 976406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-7) + (-5) + (-22) + (-3) + 1.85 ) / 5 < 1341008966 56992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -7.029999999999999 < 1341008972 21422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, even more pessimistic < 1341008977 588181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are getting better already < 1341009075 723128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341009093 364560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what if you actually make a positive contribution? < 1341009098 61162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like +5 or something < 1341009174 718628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible by any means to avoid being in someone elses way some of the time < 1341009185 919323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats ok < 1341009206 830109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kinda tired and sleepy, but i plan to visit the chemist < 1341009237 424302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok she opens at 9am < 1341009242 482178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1341009243 16213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for itidus21 is Sat Jun 30 08:32:23 < 1341009251 429647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple [>[(+)*10[-]](+)*15>[(+)*10[-]](-)*15] < 1341009254 157581 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simple: 16.9 < 1341009281 113688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-7) + (-5) + (-22) + (-3) + (1.85+5) + 16.9) / 6 < 1341009282 193052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2.2083333333333335 < 1341009413 715405 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option 2, Depart Sat, 9:12 am, Arrive < 1341009413 903632 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat, 9:25 am, Duration < 1341009414 55141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0h 13m < 1341009632 390646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be happier when this trip is over < 1341009768 84978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](+)*15>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](-)*15)*15 < 1341009770 858920 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simple: 24.9 < 1341009775 669358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1341010048 422466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (>[>>(>(+)*35[-]++)*20](+)*15>[>>(>(+)*35[-]++)*20](-)*15)*15 < 1341010051 70384 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simple: 22.1 < 1341010055 612391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](+)*15>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](-)*15)*15 < 1341010058 348812 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simple: 25.0 < 1341010066 493418 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341010351 42200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple (+)*10(>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](+)*15>[>>(>(+)*20[-]++)*20](-)*15)*15 < 1341010353 722168 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simple: 29.2 < 1341011179 159346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM does now have !range which can specify range of values, somewhat like Pascal types can indicate ranges, although in this case it is done by values instead. < 1341011688 218469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/hKeD < 1341011691 217515 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 55.6 < 1341011742 674274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/gWfG < 1341011745 933967 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 55.3 < 1341011771 942558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/EiIc < 1341011774 741886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 57.0 < 1341011909 509347 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341012071 539499 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341012185 505179 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341012367 456197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341012445 454580 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341012606 710889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1341014529 822442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341014602 699467 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D34E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341014629 581050 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D34E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341014812 404728 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341014891 570260 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D34E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1341015033 767284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glulx has malloc and free as built-in instructions, and LLVM's @llvm.debugtrap() also is a built-in instruction of Glulx. < 1341017242 535537 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341017281 416135 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341017473 383347 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341017702 524445 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1341018165 979670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it may be difficult to implement all uses of alloca for Glulx < 1341018935 328488 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1341019352 428549 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341019357 861632 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341020026 74596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding your earlier question about audio/video DSPs, official support for the TMS320C6x series was (quite recently) added in GCC release 4.7. (There is also a project for running Linux on it, support is in kernel 3.3.) I don't think it has free simulators, though, and I don't know how much the chips cost. < 1341020032 85897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a project called gDSPsim that tries to be a simulator for the TI TMS320C54x that I worked with, but it wasn't very complete back then, and doesn't seem to have really been worked on since 2003. Also, the C54x chips might not quite have the horsepower for video stuff. < 1341020038 425749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a free Motorola DSP56001 assembler, and some unofficial ports of GCC 1.x, but those are very old, and again no simulators that I know of. < 1341020045 351920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Analog Devices Blackfin family has a GCC port, and the Skyeye embedded-system simulator has some sort of support for it, but I don't know how good. < 1341020049 383190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there might well be other archs I just know nothing about. < 1341020755 964576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Blackfin is a kind of a hybrid between a general-purpose RISC microcontroller and a "traditional" DSP chip.) < 1341021641 987487 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1341021959 396064 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-248-160.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1341021966 623574 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-215.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341022122 877102 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1341022244 893755 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341022256 864401 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341023079 448565 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341023397 231791 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1341023397 984366 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1341024304 545697 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1341025875 540073 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341026738 111632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1341026747 863010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloud Party's scripting language is some sort of fake Javascript < 1341026772 895151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either functions are not first-class, or they are and the API makes absolutely no use of them being so < 1341026786 508217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should check when it comes back online < 1341026933 677243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.cloudpartytime.com/discussion/1/scripting-documentation < 1341027716 215538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett UPDATE < 1341027759 353057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error 503 Service Unavailable < 1341027759 504241 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service Unavailable < 1341027759 656054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guru Meditation: < 1341027759 656255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XID: 1785361815 < 1341027761 544634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good update < 1341027763 898494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks sgeo < 1341028713 874103 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what exactly is cloud party? < 1341028737 663037 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking on google images, i think i found it < 1341028740 52876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1341032466 367032 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341032471 870501 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341033698 501414 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-215.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341033704 535316 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-78.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341035240 601325 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1341036502 375541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a standing 8 count? < 1341036620 877190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a 10 point must system of scoring? < 1341037501 501677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341037727 661380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341037765 922023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what standing 8 count and 10 point must system of scoring means? < 1341037788 909503 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1341037791 649500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1341037848 676389 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standing 8 count? What is a boxing judgment call made by a referee during a bout according to wikipedia, Alex. < 1341037885 72349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still doesn't explain very well. < 1341038246 530376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you object to C89/99? < 1341038278 165717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to write it in a GHC bug report but I wouldn't want to make an enemy of you! < 1341038301 568622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does C89/99 have to do with a GHC bug report? < 1341038365 354314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTS is written in C. < 1341038401 77886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, it is. < 1341038410 898390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a bug in the RTS? < 1341038414 39218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341038426 993913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, Knuth and Ken Thompson might disagree on it.) < 1341038478 638162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug is it? And why do they disagree? < 1341038616 671986 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341038717 83767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just say C89. < 1341038726 478947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since GHC doesn't compile with -std=c99 anyway. < 1341039068 508945 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341039458 442240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KirinDave: Your rite to correct him! < 1341039470 196449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I count three meanings there.) < 1341039488 184305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was the wrong channel. < 1341039507 112938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7037 < 1341039554 64394 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1341039705 257810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they should fix that < 1341039728 511469 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341039769 957393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341040519 327598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by "doesn't compile" you mean "doesn't use" or "doesn't work"? < 1341040576 321834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there's a comment saying something along the lines of "the former because of the latter". < 1341040585 80625 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1341040586 728742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what breaks? < 1341040632 887774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :// On Solaris, we don't get the INFINITY and NAN constants unless we < 1341040635 957477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :// #define _STDC_C99, and we can't do that unless we also use -std=c99, < 1341040638 172873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :// because _STDC_C99 causes the headers to use C99 syntax (e.g. restrict). < 1341040640 199241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :// We aren't ready for -std=c99 yet, so define INFINITY/NAN by hand using < 1341040642 299383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :// the gcc builtins. < 1341040646 584106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's only Solaris, I don't know. < 1341040740 56775 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1341040776 907423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like C99 < 1341040788 527291 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably learn about C11 < 1341040888 384217 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has threads and atomics... < 1341040946 489617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, atomic! < 1341040961 339142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms for peace < 1341041162 200374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that atoms are dangerous. < 1341041222 175359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1341041227 816075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're used to make chemicals < 1341041524 132685 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to disappear from IRC for two weeks < 1341041529 798462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biking to Vermont and back < 1341041538 342125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my absence does not indicate that i've been eaten by a bear < 1341041540 850273 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that is a possibility < 1341041707 52803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I heard this rumour. < 1341042183 594282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then later i am going to ireland, uk, greece, albania, montenegro, bosnia, croatia, hungary, slovakia, poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, finland < 1341042189 692200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1341042192 889284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1341042194 286863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When? < 1341042213 835799 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :july 18 through august 17 < 1341043554 204926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341043695 19357 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have any travel plans? < 1341043720 759486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not currently. :-( < 1341043734 934531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should come up with some. < 1341043780 437514 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to go to china < 1341043792 749425 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires more planning though < 1341043817 645622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they still have the tourism program for North Korea? < 1341043899 141427 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341044070 577149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am flying from BOS to DUB for about $500 round-trip < 1341044076 545656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sweet deal < 1341044108 191776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that. < 1341044188 566913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341044197 298911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341044206 53400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1341044247 656342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This argc==0 bug is great. < 1341044260 26947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very few programs check it. < 1341044287 819047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be getting a tarsnap.com bounty for it too, it seems! < 1341044296 417317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1341044338 623162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I use it. < 1341044386 54758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, they have a $10 bounty for even a typo in a comment in tarsnap! < 1341044398 544481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1341044405 761413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I got my bounties it was $1/comment. < 1341044411 342852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i misread < 1341044414 171526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran a spellchecker on the code and got $20 for it. < 1341044416 193263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mistakes" in comments are $10 < 1341044417 759825 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1341044425 725343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were actually the first person to think of that? < 1341044446 131605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty soon after they were announced, so maybe? < 1341044468 442847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It completely doesn't accompllish his goals of "getting more people to review the code". < 1341044558 173859 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets more people to review the bounty schedule! < 1341044567 120314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether to trust tarsnap.
< 1341044594 763623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they had one really embarassing mistake < 1341044610 912310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1341044660 120776 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might still be as good as you could realistically hope for < 1341044701 478955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I would assume that GPG + any online backup is probably more trustworthy (but also more expensive). < 1341044793 843846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1341044825 902310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if it actually matters. < 1341044856 683749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's really true that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" < 1341044867 590710 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think you can find many counterexamples within the Linux kernel < 1341044931 868481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but that doesn't mean it has no value at all. < 1341044945 839120 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341044959 808739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most bugs, even critical security holes, are small dumb things < 1341045184 233896 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341045364 201008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other $10 was from being in the channel and someone saying "hey, valgrind reports a memory leak in this program" and tracking it down. < 1341045370 140807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the laziest bounty hunter.
< 1341045379 726874 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1341045637 51562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see http://158.130.69.163/~byorgey/pub/monoid-pearl.pdf ? < 1341045717 90206 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1341046950 581465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341047129 371923 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341047879 907067 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might leave suddenly soon < 1341047901 62933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the suspense! < 1341048287 275994 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341049036 852100 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341049874 581579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 2150 < 1341049875 884653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 46.36809247747852 < 1341049908 443562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 21500 < 1341049909 553308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 146.6287829861518 < 1341049918 796031 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>sqrt 2500 < 1341049941 726396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of game is this < 1341049956 82532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 46^2 < 1341049957 169172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2116 < 1341049963 167472 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 47^2 < 1341049964 289019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2209 < 1341049967 772850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let kmc = (-1) in sqrt kmc < 1341049968 922357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1341050019 405527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event and it gave an area of 2150 square kilometers < 1341050022 477797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1341050028 101952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (2150/pi) < 1341050029 372598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 26.160394784772457 < 1341050060 592146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341050082 496855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, there are no square numbers that end in 8 in base 10 < 1341050086 795444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the black oil comes from < 1341050099 59767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well duh < 1341050141 598955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: iirc, take a look at cubes in base 8 < 1341050164 295395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1341050167 51518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, squares < 1341050226 575318 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH JEEZ YOU FUCKING IDIOT < 1341050234 311495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS TRIVIAL < 1341050236 795920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1341050262 506293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 3 0 5 0 7 0... < 1341050271 546879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at cubes < 1341050287 773628 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 4 1 0 1 4 1 0.. < 1341050356 437593 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click on the image to see a picture of the entire motherboard, with the cat for scale. (Filesize for image is 110K, so it may take a few seconds to download.) < 1341050385 348021 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipx/ < 1341050417 489563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in a prime base, exactly (p+1)/2 of the digits can end a square. < 1341050453 750840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's an even prime? < 1341050457 659691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHECKMATE < 1341050465 788705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*odd prime < 1341050488 76186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just ruled out, like, half the primes, man. < 1341050500 392356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT CHECKMATE ME, I'M NEITHER ATHEIST NOR CREATIONIST < 1341050513 416827 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :half primes are the best primes < 1341050514 523892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT DO YOU PLAY CHESS < 1341050515 16193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a certain value of "half" < 1341050523 223228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for some time < 1341050539 301431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect *that's* what's giving you your checkmate invulnerability. < 1341050545 929441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1341050554 390142 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr newegg really screwed me over < 1341050564 933427 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :purchased an item, the order sat for 9 days saying "packaging", then i poked them by email, and they realized / admitted they don't actually have the item < 1341050573 64288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What item? < 1341050586 367224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpad ultrabay battery < 1341050618 97993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to buy this battery on ebay, it will probably be fake, and it will come on the slow boat to china < 1341050631 739836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, slow boat from china < 1341050644 414559 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the 9 day delay, it might not arrive by the time i need it < 1341050652 237903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which type is it? < 1341050675 727564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thinkpad is a T61 < 1341050684 711721 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the battery i want is 57Y4536, i think < 1341050785 918731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks there must be a market for express fakes. or something.
< 1341051098 529838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-67.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341051860 903019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341052293 774841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341052477 698906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon < 1341052903 558106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvsOOQwtPg <- any american here who would like to explain that joke to me o_O < 1341053039 510791 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh it's just "foreign languages sound funny if you don't understand them" < 1341053142 174187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu. I thought it would be some kind of other reference to something. < 1341053194 704407 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1341053320 252913 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe Family Guy has run for 20 seasons (if you include the carbon copy shows by the same guy) < 1341053350 658016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in high school i thought it was funny but now it seems really bad < 1341053357 318062 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it got worse or my sense of humor outgrew it < 1341053358 743453 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1341053411 836394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around here the target group is 14-30 years, so < 1341053478 803756 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a profitable age group to target < 1341053480 129977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for students :) < 1341053499 306966 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like it. Also, it seems better than his carbon copies of it, but i watch them as well while bored. < 1341053522 406298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watch a lot of bad tv when bored < 1341053524 826292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341053525 621756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think comedy is one of those things that can be popular without being good. < 1341053526 667535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't judge anyone else for doing so ;) < 1341053535 684392 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as opposed to all the other kinds of things? < 1341053552 619919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more than other things, I think. < 1341053561 112187 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341053561 750321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe s/popular/enjoyable/ < 1341053572 340121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange because i think comedy has a more directly observable objective < 1341053592 152537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusement and laughter are immediate surface-level emotions, compared to those which drama is supposed to evoke < 1341053612 583793 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a "bad" comedy which makes you laugh in spite of yourself really bad? < 1341053632 505856 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of shows where the joke is that you're watching this shit < 1341053639 25550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "we don't stop at anything"-comedy. < 1341053649 93448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make AIDS Jokes and stuff like that. < 1341053684 964612 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a moral objection to being shocking like that, but it's often something bad comedy leans on < 1341053691 818617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course is... well... a two sided blade. < 1341053706 472036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and family guy might have been edgy when it first aired, but they've been doing the same shit for 10 years now? < 1341053739 222115 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean comedy is all about subverting expectations < 1341053748 822848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1341053755 913593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the expectation is that everything is a shocking aids joke then pretty soon they all seem pedestrian < 1341053786 121334 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i haven't seen much of the show in many years, so i can't really comment on whether their sense of humor has evolved < 1341053793 344837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some jokes you can always make that on average people will always laugh at and there's not really much point to it. < 1341053801 604522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comedy usually always relies on someone beeing hurt. < 1341053815 799084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very hard to make a joke without insulting somebody. < 1341053820 118536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter good comedy isn't really made of "jokes". < 1341053827 366517 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still enjoy the Family Guy “like the time when I…� bits, for instance, even though they’ve nothing new. < 1341053827 969516 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's not really true < 1341053836 250585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one element of comedy but it's neither necessary nor sufficient < 1341053854 953569 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :’re < 1341053868 562203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==kmc < 1341053868 713489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any joke that would not fall into that category. < 1341053878 164594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your basic puns don't < 1341053879 140457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should read that one book by Keith Johnstone. < 1341053881 770176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Impro_ < 1341053883 762560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the person being hurt is the person who hears the pun ;) < 1341053930 740622 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, what about the mitch hedberg style < 1341053942 689706 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :short observations, often of a surreal nature, sometimes subverting expectations < 1341053959 831884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make fun of somebody without the chance of hurting him. < 1341053965 606594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There sure are other forms of comedy, agreed. < 1341053969 825302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think comedy is only about making fun of somebody? < 1341053976 583462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1341053977 357141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mitch_hedberg.html < 1341053993 806195 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does this style now... demitri martin maybe? < 1341053997 925590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the tv shows pretty much seem to be based on that sort of comedy. < 1341054005 436173 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Family Guy is... < 1341054027 660580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider pantomimic comedy. < 1341054030 514156 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have a point though < 1341054044 109752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every time I go and shave, I assume there's someone else on the planet shaving. So I say, 'I'm gonna go shave, too.'" < 1341054044 776835 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that situation-based comedy is much easier to do if someone's the butt of the joke < 1341054050 373363 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he pretends to fall down the stairs he's making fun of people who actually did fall down the stairs. < 1341054061 931768 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TV comedy is going to be more situation-based than standup < 1341054062 267383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though this was not really his intention, but still. < 1341054083 318396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Are you going to deconstruct falling down the stairs now? < 1341054095 151642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1341054137 605290 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a reason why most successful sitcoms have some if not most main characters who are just terrible people < 1341054142 426000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that you hardly can make comedy without offending someone somewhere in the world. < 1341054153 331228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you're wrong < 1341054154 239597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1341054174 238358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1341054180 889942 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any statement you can probably find someone who is offended < 1341054184 308331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what you were saying before < 1341054198 261636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly tell jokes where the humor is not based on offending or hurting any real or imagined party < 1341054209 476343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is a pretty big subset of comedy, it's not a tiny niche like you make it out to be < 1341054245 991554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to get a vending machine, with fun sized candy bars, and the glass in front is a magnifying glass. You'll be mad, but it will be too late." < 1341054389 686333 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341054415 286328 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341054668 852067 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341054718 276125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, need to find a copy of _Louie_ season 3 premiere < 1341055550 904567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341055742 721279 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311DF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341056490 44152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1341056944 865251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341058421 446124 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311DF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901] < 1341059261 510336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generalize, theres probably nothing you can do or avoid doing which won't offend someone somewhere < 1341059427 513634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you support one political party or candidate, you might offend supporters of another political party or candidate. < 1341059482 822080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you support capitalism you might offend communists, vice versa. if you support police you might offend people who don't like them < 1341059566 731317 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course trivially offended people might be misguided < 1341059993 831667 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some people are too easily offended < 1341060005 968505 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, some comments really are offensive and ought to be condemned by civilized society < 1341060130 233573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a common sentiment that being offended by anything is unreasonable < 1341060189 627099 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1341060193 975223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sentiment is particularly common among straight white men, who are rarely the target of serious racist / sexist / etc. comments < 1341060220 483843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's particularly common in technical communities, programmers etc. < 1341060229 819081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just because of the demographics of those communities < 1341060255 458111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because we like to think of ourselves as hyper-rational post-emotional robots < 1341060263 788189 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're too smart to be offended, right < 1341060301 62424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1341060305 195285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes from a completely broken social more that people should respect everyone. < 1341060315 736056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a very dangerous precedent. < 1341060548 133386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying postel's law would say that you should try not to be offended by others, but you should also try to avoid offending others < 1341060556 323253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of technical communities follow only the first half of that < 1341060669 848951 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1341060779 627889 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact they make offending others out to be a virtue < 1341060803 829077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can act like an asshole and still get your patches merged, it's social proof of your eleet coding skills < 1341060913 702150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any social signal is vulnerable to mimicry < 1341060935 885586 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so over time these projects attract assholes who don't actually provide value, or not enough to offset their unpleasantness < 1341061146 80991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (but probably don't practice) that a big part of being a good person (at a computer) involves actualizing ideals on the moment to moment micro level rather than the day by day macro level. < 1341061208 200834 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting! < 1341061211 98017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate? < 1341061239 606940 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow this can go wrong, trying to be something can lead to feeling like you're not being yourself, or that you're sublimating your needs only to vent them later < 1341061273 747928 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well for example, a person can become an ideal chatter in any given post < 1341061634 214145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, instead of thinking "i should say something nice today", one might think "i will say something nice in my next post" < 1341061863 896878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341061867 594997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is one preferable to the other? < 1341061877 93651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i should X today".. "i will X in my next post" where X = {"try not to offend anyone","try not be offended by anyone",...} < 1341061897 548448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is moee likely to happen < 1341061905 878547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^more < 1341061936 13190 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341061939 988235 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. to highlight that the latter may be possible (but not always) < 1341062051 74282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1341062145 503065 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to think people were trying to optimize the way they meet their needs.. but i'm out of touch with how people actually think < 1341062294 673237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im losing track < 1341062715 919076 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341062779 284554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, part of what i am saying is that the difficulty of doing good varies with respect to time < 1341063078 975651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easier to give money when you have money(debatable), and easier to be nice to someone when they are being nice to you < 1341063122 881569 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to not be jealous of someone when they are worse off than you < 1341063378 874372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1341063660 10751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i inferred from jackie chan's biography, intense training by a wise person can seem like abuse, but the difference is the intention < 1341063683 323220 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real abuse is designed to weaken and not strengthen. < 1341064188 983303 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341064319 362958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading about closures, decides to take a break after the first paragraphs and reflect
< 1341064490 909703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on the set of lowercase alphabet, you might have, after(a) == b, before(k) == j, and before() and after() would be closed on the lowercase alphabet so long as it loops where before(a) == z < 1341064518 965209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it didn't loop then you would get some kind of empty element for before(a) < 1341064840 821704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in addition as seen with, uppercase(w) == W , closure of lowercase alphabet with respect to uppercase() would be the uppercase alphabet (had to carefully read wiki forming this sentence) < 1341065045 198904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds more likely that the closure would be the union of both lowercase and uppercase. < 1341065220 323195 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu[Zzz] < 1341065238 663982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see any good reason that teeth have nerves < 1341065246 530023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that they have so many < 1341065278 745983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on second thought < 1341065305 633839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we would chew on things we shouldn't otherwise < 1341065319 851019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, tooth bugging me < 1341065438 91592 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it blew my mind that operand(N, N) is not always equal to N < 1341065457 610804 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341065471 511418 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341065514 605378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so add can be N <- add(N,N) .. but subtraction of two N's is Z <- sub(N, N) < 1341065845 560487 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1341067566 274495 :augur_!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341067568 532926 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341067707 790156 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341067924 822155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341068012 292347 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341070325 396644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck <- somebody please delete this page? < 1341070332 521807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or move it to a better name < 1341070334 945243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way it sucks :) < 1341072623 115418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I need to actually finish Trine sometime < 1341074431 770671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful game, but does not run on my average machine :( < 1341074800 559108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An episode of NCIS reminded me of it for reasons that only apply to me < 1341074824 6910 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was playing Trine and watching it at the same time) < 1341074834 879090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOW I SHALL TAKE A LONG WALK AND HAVE DINNER < 1341074841 25243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-226.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341074901 834622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't play Trine. Just listen to the soundtrack < 1341074985 920638 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1341076954 371972 :augur_!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341078407 577950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341080072 597681 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341080254 219230 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1341080337 568076 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1341080450 9530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1341081868 144547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do not allow you to put moderators or yourself on ignore list! < 1341082285 948877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341082482 314994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck <- somebody please delete this page? <-- the only people who can do that are elliott and ais523, and neither is here at the moment (and elliott seems to think this channel isn't worth joining lately) < 1341082508 64002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the only people that are usually on this channel < 1341082553 693124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can do moves yourself, just not delete the automatic redirect left there < 1341082633 820640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps being taken aback everytime he reads "trine", because it's a common norwegian girl name
< 1341082817 969914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is a common sentiment that being offended by anything is unreasonable <-- it is not unreasonable to be offended by someone _trying_ to offend you. otherwise i'm not so sure. < 1341082872 332057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course being able not to be offended even in the former case is an immensely useful skill, for those who can manage it. < 1341083862 628191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if somebody expresses their honest opinion that whites are the superior race, i will be offended and lose my respect for them < 1341083880 477349 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter if they're trying to offend me, or if they're just explaining their views in earnest < 1341083909 149197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm offended by the shit treatment of women in technical communities, even though most of that is not consciously intended to offend anyone < 1341084021 464395 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's frustrating is how defensive everyone gets when you point it out to them < 1341084034 779981 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much rationalization instantly follows < 1341084082 234922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341084103 213137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blaming the people who got offended for being offended is one of the main defensive mechanisms < 1341084121 223572 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've almost tried to stop using the word offense when dealing with people I think aren't receptive < 1341084137 862995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a good idea < 1341084138 625561 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :since people will knee-jerk and write it off as "aww, are someone's feelings hurt?" < 1341084148 423236 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, feelings are so uncool man < 1341084169 952119 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more productive to just call them an asshole o without using the O word at all ;) < 1341084227 609774 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find your ability to be offended offensive or something < 1341084594 928254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.ibone.ch&namespace= shows up some more links < 1341084679 656129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.ibone.ch&namespace= shows up some more links < 1341084680 49616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1341084812 984240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1341084813 665366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1341085317 73037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot Thanks. < 1341085317 549399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1341085370 662700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try, being friendly like that. < 1341085377 873928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it recommend movies yet? < 1341085420 747560 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, compumpkin: you guys should see a scene in 21 jump street, where these old guys returning to high school learn that it's no longer cool to be an asshole :P < 1341085441 58040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's idealized, but it's funny < 1341085550 278199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ironic. < 1341086524 929234 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341086525 831348 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1341086550 960490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1341087083 462886 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341087242 877078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341088060 516444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341088100 915706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341088172 507821 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field testing of my latest prototype squirrel feeder http://youtu.be/lunksapjAEI < 1341088249 670130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it, in fact, yours? < 1341088312 440937 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, i just quoted the text. < 1341088543 210299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341088549 246387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341088621 808410 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elloH < 1341088642 392983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olleH < 1341088713 792447 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lloHe < 1341088776 227882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :025*").kcats eht no rotanimret gnirts ticilpxe na tup sremmargorp egnufeB suoitneicsnoc llA( !dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1341088782 196683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lleHo < 1341088782 347815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I think it's just me.) < 1341089206 882267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations "Hello") !! 8 < 1341089208 234747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lelHo" < 1341089220 415163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. < 1341089231 270479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one of you got the right answer for the Hello lottery. < 1341089300 3614 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341089307 934163 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1341089318 527332 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341089367 169038 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341089387 259426 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341089511 631161 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elolH < 1341089530 44540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1341089530 897385 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1341089531 253685 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1341089531 433823 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\ /'\ /'\     |     /|  /|  /|      |     /|   >\ /| < 1341089531 585035 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_|¯´¯|_)                /'\ < 1341089531 585237 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                    (_| |_) < 1341089541 995926 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did fungot begin and myndzi finish < 1341089542 536103 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that could be one choice < 1341089543 274770 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O _ O < 1341089565 536823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, because fungot triggers myndzi's feature < 1341089566 938618 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: see you all around, and i'm not sure what you mean, a sequence of uppercase characters counts as a < 1341089574 637617 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noone really knows why myndzi has that feature. < 1341089587 670673 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like `echo ^foo, but actually works < 1341089591 235774 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| |o| |o/ < 1341089591 426185 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     |   |   | < 1341089591 577424 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     >\  |\ /`\ < 1341089597 537519 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . . . . . . . . . . . . < 1341089606 168448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ < 1341089606 795321 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   | < 1341089606 965761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/<  /<  /< < 1341089609 92 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ < 1341089609 665438 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   | < 1341089609 858612 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|  /<  /| < 1341089610 207626 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| < 1341089617 441273 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1341089629 29720 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1341089637 172246 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, myndzi, y u no celebrate < 1341089640 163870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to start with a space < 1341089645 475738 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1341089645 626842 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1341089645 778124 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\ /^\ /<   >\ /<  /<  /<  /<   >\ /<  /`\  >\ < 1341089648 535353 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, i do < 1341089656 841889 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| |o| < 1341089660 427040 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still fails < 1341089668 159312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's too long? < 1341089675 381932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to ask myndzi < 1341089679 537297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have some limits. < 1341089736 63085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1341089736 674230 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1341089737 27888 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     /< < 1341089750 219256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1341089756 118157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "the sky is falling" posture. < 1341089757 844451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Too late. < 1341089782 201020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ O-.-O \O/ < 1341089782 899901 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1341089783 64712 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ < 1341089804 393158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\o\o\o//// < 1341089812 538458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of beheadings there. < 1341089828 653918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/\o/ < 1341089829 309531 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |  | < 1341089829 480357 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\/´\ < 1341089834 576639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\o/ < 1341089843 17458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1341089866 232271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~\o| < 1341089866 907576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   | < 1341089867 59306 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  /| < 1341089881 731228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o\o/ < 1341089890 441868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1341089891 25641 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1341089891 205807 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\ < 1341089900 21492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mindfuck /o\o/ < 1341089932 442348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's the conceptual difference between the /^\ /´\ /`\ legs? < 1341089970 660406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1341089989 272651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl, left-wearer, right-wearer? < 1341090022 625728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftdresser, rightdresser? < 1341090060 662741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was that. < 1341090217 839890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ is missing though < 1341091009 61202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/‾\ < 1341091187 416142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eunuch mode ;) < 1341091213 237118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like /|\ < 1341091276 17053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it seems for unknown reason I got a gift card on steam (in the steam inventory thingy) for a game I already own (got it as part of an indie royale bundle, wasn't interested in that specific game in the bundle) < 1341091283 148260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone want "Nuclear Dawn", just tell me < 1341091285 9052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=96267#96267 < 1341091300 467437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You mean /7\ < 1341091306 460278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As long as it's not /¦\, that sounds painful. < 1341091308 900025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a FPS/RTS crossover < 1341091312 358920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bend it you can at least still walk < 1341091323 918727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|\ <-walking like this would be seriously difficult. < 1341091339 922099 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341091448 979602 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\say /'\ :( < 1341091455 8324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's /say < 1341091456 762466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1341091463 671913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'\ :( < 1341091542 782565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'\ < 1341091743 395253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinions about the Famicom-MIDI document that I wrote? < 1341092004 276363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone wants... uh, what was it called? Right, "Men of War: Vietnam". That. I could give that away. (Since apparently you're not allowed to sell Steam gifts.) < 1341092045 401094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, what is that game? < 1341092060 574767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of a game about men being at war, in Vietnam, I believe. < 1341092060 915743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never heard of it < 1341092070 914688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may involve shooting. < 1341092075 139407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, an FPS? < 1341092104 61162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a 2009 real-time tactics video game and the sequel to Faces of War. Players issue orders to and/or take direct control of soldiers on a simulation-driven battlefield." < 1341092146 38208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the "Vietnam" thing a DLC or something? I can't find a wikipedia page on that < 1341092150 276398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just on "men at war" < 1341092155 873621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stand-alone expansion. < 1341092159 190282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1341092164 717599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentions it on the page. < 1341092172 188011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Four standalone expansions were released for Men of War: Red Tide, Assault Squad, Vietnam, and Condemned Heroes." < 1341092188 413896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did you get that gift? < 1341092212 742047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that holiday coal whatever thing. < 1341092221 279970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1341092225 838156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this random one recently < 1341092232 398575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I take it you aren't interested? < 1341092274 441684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so much RTS or FPS, so I doubt a hybrid would really go much better. < 1341092279 141065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341092281 801034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here really < 1341092297 691758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did enjoy Deux Ex: Human Revolution though < 1341092330 542108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a good single player experience for me to be interested < 1341092343 16012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a competitive multiplayer fan < 1341092363 988306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, this was a very nice sanity check to make: < 1341092364 442993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# mount /mnt/win7 < 1341092364 594184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. < 1341092372 241099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably would've ruined something otherwise. < 1341092375 561010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I'm not that interested in men of war, I'm sure someone else could have more use of it < 1341092376 667515 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since fizzie himself doesn't want it he probably knows it will be hard to find anyone he knows who wants it < 1341092392 550264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's a nice gesture :D < 1341092445 457450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did we-as-in-the-channel have someone from Belgium? I vaguely recall we did. < 1341092460 925580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the logs of joins for *.be? < 1341092468 319620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have a snazzy database for it after all < 1341092490 945581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was AnotherTest. < 1341092503 791984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if the hostname is to be trusted. < 1341092505 580971 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i had the same talk with my brother.. he mentioned, that an mmo he was playing had a gift thing that you could play for a month or something.. and when i felt awkward saying no he explained that i didn't have to explain myself etc < 1341092525 922898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, eh? < 1341092533 437551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I didn't feel awkward < 1341092535 436090 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@ti0032a380-dhcp0851.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1341092542 160946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im "projecting"! < 1341092546 268551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah stop that < 1341092549 584942 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1341092558 425475 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just turn it off < 1341092564 979648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, filter it then < 1341092643 875661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's leap second time real soon. < 1341092655 700584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an awkward sector of the social protocol that we can feel kind of awkward if we turn something down, even if it's an unwanted gift being passed along < 1341092671 930584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "real soon" but soonishly anyway. < 1341092675 496903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(June 30, 2012, at 23:59:60 UTC.) < 1341092693 20188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Låt dina tänder vara din tungas stängsel" ("Let your teeth be the fence of your tongue", a Swedish idiom, iirc originating from some famous collection of stories (along the same level of famous as the Icelandic "edda")) < 1341092696 595844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, ^ < 1341092713 124123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have never heard that < 1341092719 169680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a fable? < 1341092723 716773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I have heard it many times < 1341092742 919039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, like Beowulf iirc < 1341092750 541861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1341092769 738498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have la fontaine's fables by my bedside < 1341092781 126607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere or other < 1341092781 385877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, jag växte upp med en mor som läst literaturvetenskap dock < 1341092787 161274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so that might have influenced me < 1341092810 450760 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my family only reads fantasy and sci-fi < 1341092830 776944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize that idiom either < 1341092846 831514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1341092872 858355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be exactly the correct wording < 1341092881 520344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also apparently a leap second (well, NTP + adjtimex-related) Linux kernel bug crashing computers today. < 1341092899 674866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a series of thoughts sometimes 1)reading a foreign text translated into english 2)the original sense of the text is probably lost in translation 3)if i knew the foreign language i could more fully appreciate the text 4)i don't appreciate any text in english so greatly so this is all probably a fallacy < 1341092908 448858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat! < 1341092915 829302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? < 1341092924 525800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today and first answer. < 1341092937 632623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when did that happen? My laptop has been running linux with ntp fine today < 1341092946 512180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:44 < fizzie> Well, "real soon" but soonishly anyway. < 1341092946 663320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:44 < fizzie> (June 30, 2012, at 23:59:60 UTC.) < 1341092960 224524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But apparently the crashes don't necessarily happen right then.) < 1341092968 119485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the leap second causes crashes? < 1341092998 538918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not directly, no. < 1341093013 931031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exciting < 1341093067 355826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to be worried? < 1341093119 935430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the LKML post about the fix is from March this year. Presumably newer kernels might not have problems. (Though the original question mentions a 3.2.21, so who knows.) < 1341093133 272928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on 2.6.31... < 1341093143 50976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1341093161 983793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 2.6.39 actually, 2.6.31 is the stock kernel < 1341093165 842983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1341093167 956247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even more so < 1341093200 575922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's that workaround in the question. Though I haven't noticed any problems with my computers which aren't running that new kernels either, and they do NTP. < 1341093206 778540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know how notch is planning to have some kind of ingame computer on something, well, it occurs it could be funny if such an ingame computer could crash < 1341093262 737417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ntpd therefore calls adjtimex sometime during the day of the leap second, at which point this bug is triggered." I guess you'll know if you hit it in about two hours. < 1341093267 477908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`postlogs blaise < 1341093274 804812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes in 0x10c right? < 1341093277 857376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: postlogs: not found < 1341093289 315357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs blaise < 1341093292 604095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1341093298 546576 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs blaise < 1341093331 432201 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1341093334 549148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs blaise < 1341093349 310229 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12886 < 1341093353 826366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "DCPU-16" in it seemed kinda funny, it's got stack things (push, pop, peek) as an addressing mode. < 1341093386 769116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thikn stack operations could be good for addressing mode < 1341093442 574382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Leaping into the future, second by second | Where we decide just how much you can shoot someone, and their little dog too. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1341093513 239730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not complaining, just that it seems funny. Though it also makes me wonder what "ADD PUSH, POP" etc. would do. I don't think it explicitly specifies evaluation order or when exactly the post-increment/pre-decrement are done. < 1341093541 626855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you have to pop first, and then push < 1341093578 854442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell it should mean pop both operands and push the result, but I don't know < 1341093609 471368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa < 1341093623 524228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i survived < 1341093639 55594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs naruto < 1341093647 33224 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1376 < 1341093671 683734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I went for the safe approach and just unset the flag (and stopped ntp) < 1341093678 690629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will enable it again tomorrow I guess < 1341093721 136555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the flag is set and your machine is still running, that means you're fine? < 1341093721 655183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it would do the same as ADD PEEK, PEEK. But, you know, if it were a real hardware CPU, it might be very possible something unexpected happened, because they wouldn't expect two stack-affecting operands in the same instruction. < 1341093776 855650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: doesn't seem to be a frequent subject here :P < 1341093788 357787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, i survived <-- huh? < 1341093792 988611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pun? or what? < 1341093804 731861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the leap second < 1341093809 562164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341093811 435853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1341093811 992380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1341093821 950365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about time zone < 1341093822 886302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, UTC < 1341093825 43795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341093837 353659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just run adjtimex and check if the flag is set < 1341093845 394011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, run it again as root to unset it < 1341093859 832876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's such a good idea on windows. < 1341093867 409007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341093874 950311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, doubt windows is affected by it < 1341093901 225162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a general "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa, a leap second", not related to the bug. < 1341093908 428824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be pretty scary. < 1341093913 39303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was < 1341093914 428992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am playing this computer game on X-BIT it says: THIS EVENT FEATURES 4 ROUNDS OF BOXING.. USING THE 10 POINT MUST SYSTEM OF ROUND SCORING. THE 3 KNOCKDOWN, TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT RULE IS IN EFFECT THERE WILL BE NO STANDING 8 COUNT AND THE BOXERS CAN BE SAVED BY THE BELL.. NOW, LET'S HAVE A GOOD CLEAN FIGHT! << Enter to Proceed >> < 1341093916 22624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1341093926 214491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand what all of those things means < 1341094003 935977 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feb 18th 2012 i had an idea once which i have not discarded about having a computer as an ingame object akin to a potion, a sword, a key or a shield. "0x10c (stylized as 0x10c) is a sandbox-type game currently under development by Markus "Notch" Persson of Mojang. It was announced via Twitter by Notch on April 3, 2012." yeah! < 1341094026 743747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : They can be pretty scary. <-- really? < 1341094033 673046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wussies < 1341094037 974918 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I actually got this idea (unconcious plagiarism) from someone asking the naruto comic artist if he would ever put computers in the naruto world, and he said something like, well maybe 8bit < 1341094046 680678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out some of it, such as: If you knock out your opponent for ten seconds before time up then you win instantly otherwise they do by score. But I do not understand how the score is figured out. < 1341094088 839124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, a 61st second. It is kinda freaky. < 1341094094 837594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1341094121 839622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though other people do hold leap second parties. It takes all kinds. < 1341094130 332148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parties? < 1341094142 311208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a one-second party, as I understand it. < 1341094153 703392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is kind of awesome < 1341094155 130986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just time enough to go "wheeee!" < 1341094157 184965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thing (baring crashes) it is a non-event. < 1341094164 514459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many shots can you take in 1 second < 1341094167 776927 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall not allow notch to be a better game designer than me < 1341094177 915980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't understand the point in going "wheee" in general < 1341094183 878987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is such a strange sound < 1341094202 610117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, automatic or semi-automatic? < 1341094213 452468 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey man, nice shot < 1341094244 684637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you meant as in drinking < 1341094248 688898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1341094249 997545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even think of that XD < 1341094268 887194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's parties involve more gunfire than drinking, I think. < 1341094271 2468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand how the score is figured out in this game. Do ropes affect the score? Does the score affected by if you knocked out your opponent temporarily? The only thing I understand is that whoever has more points wins, and if the score is equal then it is called a draw < 1341094279 705888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I don't drink any alcohol < 1341094291 130526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you shoot guns much? < 1341094307 542260 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorQ_ULcvss < 1341094338 376861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, outside video games? I once tried an air gun many years ago. < 1341094341 789701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that? never < 1341094381 765939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not *much* more gunfire than alcohol, then, but maybe a tiny little bit. < 1341094391 429937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat me to a comment like that < 1341094494 1739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, looking through video games I own on steam due to various bundles but never played I chanced upon cave story+, I heard it was good, should I play it? < 1341094536 993629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell: Power $4400, Body $7200, Energy $1200, Morale $1600, Agility $2700, Strength $4200, Speed $2600, Instinct $3400 < 1341094564 173553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I own so many games on steam, most of them indie < 1341094588 53419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you ever finish VVVVVV btw? < 1341094593 382757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it Deewiant who played that? < 1341094612 231212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played it through a couple of times. < 1341094615 876862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the people in #gamedev get tired of hearing my shit. but what i mean to ask is, how many % of the steam games you own have you actually played? < 1341094633 355980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, I don't have the required skill for it. < 1341094661 333114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about boxing? Messages are displayed such as "BREAK!!" and "He has you on ropes!" what do they do? < 1341094670 467195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that a text game? < 1341094683 58201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, hm? I tried most at least for a bit (unless they were RTS) < 1341094707 318729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you would buy a game, discover it was RTS, then abandon it? < 1341094717 115739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played it "through" as in storywise probably twice, and I think I did collect all the shiny trinkets once. < 1341094724 454556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: It is game on X-BIT, so it is telnet < 1341094729 453753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, eh I would read first before I bought it. The only reason I would have an RTS would be if it was part of a bundle < 1341094734 752931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I wanted some other games < 1341094737 987152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indie bundle instead < 1341094744 131130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that helps < 1341094744 897527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/instead/indeed/ < 1341094761 688140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem pretty bizzare if you could part with cash for a game whose genre you don't know < 1341094771 951144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, oh and I didn't even bother trying Amnesia :P < 1341094778 514974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was part of the last humble bundle) < 1341094784 838633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I try Limbo < 1341094789 379121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like horror games < 1341094790 572861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1341094798 875751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have wasted download times on those < 1341094845 500152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play horror either, but LIMBO is more of a puzzle platformer with a bit of a theme. < 1341094850 299381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1341094852 455096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you die a lot.) < 1341094853 653018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight < 1341094854 362288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you like computer game I make? I do not charge any money, and they are all public domain (including source-codes), so if you do not like it you can change it or you can discard it and lot lose any money < 1341094858 49245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway some games (from bundles again) I played outside steam, on Linux for example, and I just registered the bundle redeem codes on steam as well < 1341094864 134741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like it, then you can pay if you want, I suppose < 1341094876 611619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I saw that spider thingy in a video, seemed like horror to me < 1341094881 934476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-149-88.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341094903 559210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cave story seems to have good reviews *hits install* < 1341094928 21521 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cave Story is excellent, but maybe harder than VVVVVV. < 1341094928 288443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1341094930 317942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you don't own Chtulhu Saves the World you should btw. Saw it was on Android now too < 1341094942 917765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341094948 285065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is the timing I have problems with < 1341094963 364082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at any game that requires precise timing < 1341094973 266233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as games with combo-based combat < 1341094991 200600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try any of my computergame? < 1341095007 860019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I can manage platforming just fine, as long as the timing doesn't have to be precise < 1341095016 478896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no < 1341095049 78341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then try it. I will not charge you any money to try it < 1341095066 658278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why should I try them? What is good about them? < 1341095098 685567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's arguably a "horror game" in that it has an atmosphere similar to what I believe those have. And yeah, the spider, I think an arachnophobic person might have actual trouble with it. (Though it doesn't really last all *that* long; then it's more circular saws and the like.) Anyway, gameplay-wise it's a puzzle-platformer, I'd say. < 1341095114 689027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I /am/ somewhat arachnophobic < 1341095122 125639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have said they like these games. < 1341095126 279135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you probably wouldn't like the spider appearances. < 1341095130 710311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1341095147 467947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can manage all right with the minecraft ones, because they look so different from real ones, and are fairly easy to kill < 1341095154 395326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't move like real ones < 1341095160 478981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the big difference I guess < 1341095220 211588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway speaking of awesome games, maybe I should play some more Avadon, I never got around to finishing that. It wasn't quite as good as the Avernum series (same company) IMO < 1341095234 347852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Avernum has nostalgic value to me as well < 1341095242 864503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that of course helps a lot < 1341095244 236966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I bought this game with my friend who is an Arachniphobe and we had no idea that spiders were in this game. We bought it and started to play through. First spider scene, she's in tears and I'm really creeped out. What a great game!" (Youtube comment.) < 1341095255 68373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and I do have Cthulhu Saves the World.) < 1341095378 591374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS game (QBASIC): http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/cgacoll.zip cgacoll1.zip cgacoll2.zip GIVEAWAY.ZIP MUTCHNAM.ZIP < 1341095382 902679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1341095387 291060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you think of it? < 1341095397 419289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, too much work to get that working < 1341095421 44733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be easy to compile or run on 64-bit linux or 64-bit windows. < 1341095421 234493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows game: xnazzyball.zip meskilb.zip DiskCatch2.zip < 1341095435 760520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux preferred atm < 1341095446 928357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I moved away from my desktop < 1341095452 561504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not there any more < 1341095473 376413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source codes is available for all DOS game in QBASIC if you can get them to compile with a different compiler you may work them < 1341095477 769256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, use a DOS emulator. < 1341095488 273119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, too much work to use a DOS emulator < 1341095488 792425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was nice, and nicely retro, though I for some reason I can't discern stopped partway through (probably got sidetracked), and haven't continued yet, so I've only seen part of it. < 1341095490 120193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy < 1341095503 13522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Windows game then, maybe that one works. < 1341095520 411762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm in a different room, and I don't feel inclined to go back to my office atm. < 1341095526 502244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later < 1341095532 730488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no free (as in speech) compiler for Windows game but I have figured out the format somewhat < 1341095557 432662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there is gcc for windows... < 1341095573 63520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have MSVC 2010 Ultimate on there < 1341095574 844686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1341095595 918051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These games are not written in C, but if I have any in C or Haskell then of course they will work for any system. < 1341095606 667782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I also made some MegaZeux games, and those will work on Windows and Linux. < 1341095607 230758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, they won't work on android < 1341095620 498249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey maybe I should switch to chrome OS ;) < 1341095633 832075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I haven't really seen Chrome OS used anywhere yet < 1341095636 204166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses it? < 1341095641 671239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux game: /mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ascmzxto.zip < 1341095646 828930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the target audience < 1341095657 31534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, just download, extract and run? On which platform? < 1341095663 497049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it need an engine installed? < 1341095666 148111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :again too much work < 1341095679 793285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For MegaZeux game, you need to install MegaZeux but you can simply unzip the MegaZeux into a directory. < 1341095695 281422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm too lazy to mess with that atm < 1341095707 589093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have source and Windows binaries for my modification to MegaZeux, but that is also 32-bits. For Linux, including 64-bits, you can download the other MegaZeux < 1341095865 79080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux is Free software license under GNU GPL v2 or later version; the game file is public domain. < 1341095911 994730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, according to steamcalculator.com my steam account is worth $724.33 USD < 1341095935 79166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a bit < 1341095996 957811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have 67 games < 1341097948 732620 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341098383 892547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1341098632 336867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There is no target audience; it isn't for sale. < 1341098864 49325 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341098890 870644 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341098952 849302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadf < 1341099040 378252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, did I ask for that? < 1341099086 407816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1341099121 541554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a NES/Famicom replay data be stored in MIDI format? < 1341099146 847959 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95EBB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341099959 484696 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --french 50 < 1341099966 673221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :marc fore résenserisate tresoysen dahlin bùrgent kervossie cons romationestas laque véhickern nookment entinuen inson couve perialdarzière seamusère lassu boua pelisseur jlz chras élueus kôczi orbuscum < 1341100072 234320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gadzeux