< 1338510008 104115 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with porting is that you don't do any design < 1338510153 176654 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word design here is really terrible, but i mean it as, for instance, cat is a design < 1338510207 731449 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone can be asked to port cat < 1338510451 134522 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ang.wikipedia.org = �nglisc :-s < 1338511548 574909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1338511549 544821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1338511551 823630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338512577 838254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338512669 932329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1338512671 238545 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338512695 731468 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dubious how many blizzard games have anglo-saxon wikipedia pages < 1338513150 69761 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. the one guy created 9 pages about blizzard, and also created the category < 1338513518 251996 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. ok he created the video games category too, so it's all very boring < 1338513911 7056 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338514217 37982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah! < 1338514485 911301 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me! < 1338514555 405895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah! < 1338515214 12743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what kind of food. dont have money. < 1338515219 849073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338515227 424088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1338515237 982063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338515264 418931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what food to buy < 1338515272 343180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap good food < 1338515280 511288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible < 1338515281 172810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fod < 1338515282 504170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :food < 1338515290 619486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338515293 689109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good criterion < 1338515298 511150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make list: < 1338515302 661457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-cheap < 1338515304 711166 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-good < 1338515306 893397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-edible < 1338515318 991521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick two! < 1338515330 184526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: halp < 1338515362 881402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands quintopia some delicious poison for free
< 1338515409 499941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :poison? i have decided that edible is more important than good < 1338515421 653349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1338516854 104276 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338518136 890562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338519595 43293 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread and milk < 1338519670 235449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338519772 735445 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are to drink the milk from a ceramic mug, and rip off pieces of the bread with your bare hands < 1338519795 470420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls when he used to browse the reddit frontpage and r/all, there were sometimes posts about how to get enough food with very little money
< 1338519825 366 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's critereon are pretty lousy < 1338519854 397303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: criteria < 1338519860 264450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the plural < 1338519863 803089 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338519887 188922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /r/frugal? < 1338519893 185398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a bit nutty, I think :P < 1338519905 153062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was about to link it :P < 1338519911 623581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus on optimizing sources of nutrients such as protein and carbohydrates, as well as vitamins and minerals < 1338519932 273565 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible and good is for the rich < 1338519942 53032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Frugal/comments/u13qa/we_rfrugal_week_1_frugal_food/ was linked in the sidebar < 1338520048 661943 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people value time over money, and others money over time" hmm thats one way of putting it, another way of putting it is that employed people have less time and more money, and vice versa < 1338520064 884745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there you can find http://www.reddit.com/r/budgetfood < 1338520082 707033 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some people on welfare have a good life and some people on welfare do not < 1338520136 855202 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, the reason for _that_ is that some people on welfare have parasites around them < 1338520147 933202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338520148 5331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: although i wasn't originally thinking so much about r/frugal as about "help i only have $NN for the next 3 weeks how can i survive?" < 1338520158 929680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(approximate title there) < 1338520234 722323 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, valuing time over money is more of a function of circumstances than an exercize in free will < 1338520327 658336 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i really mean is that, some poeple have more time than money, and others have more money than time < 1338520347 287251 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338520355 23462 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they "value" that which they have less of < 1338520602 851016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o'reilly have published a book on dwarf fortress < 1338520605 738203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? < 1338520610 345363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338520627 968512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1338520628 876651 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338520632 965728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022565.do < 1338520633 710114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1338520638 362552 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1338520640 2480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1338520640 916923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand < 1338520669 89733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'm going to have to buy it so i can point to the turning point in civilisation in the future when we all live in houses made out of cellophane and breathe glass and mate with antennae < 1338520689 415570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Phantom_Hoover http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022565.do ??????????????? < 1338520689 594164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338520976 383861 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-107.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338521171 137958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338521174 924642 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this while looking up that http://i37.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0530/c2/04e811128cee4d89747f9621a5756fc2.jpeg < 1338522074 517071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338522264 886882 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your name is now Robert J! Lake. As such, you are no longer my baby nephew. < 1338522272 384728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338522319 973586 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so. This language in which all computation is carried out via rounding errors. < 1338522368 961289 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a program should consists of a list of instructions that are looped through forever. The program will have access to an arbitrary but finite number of variables each capable of holding an arbitrary non-negative integer. < 1338522389 462014 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every variable is initialized to 1. < 1338522458 14280 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three instructions: "add Y to X", "multiply X by 2^(Y/3) and round", and "divide X by 2^(Y/3) and round". < 1338522470 326692 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the language. < 1338522565 11418 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be Turing-complete. I have no idea how one would go about proving it either way. < 1338522603 77295 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the name of a variable must consist entirely of numerals, and the first of these cannot be 0. < 1338522801 355146 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we'll make that "round down", to avoid ambiguity. < 1338522983 78304 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a program, I guess: http://pastie.org/4005760 < 1338523016 482724 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After n > 0 iterations, 1 has the value 1, 2 has the value 3, 3 has the value 2^n, and 4 has the value 2^(n+1) - 1. I think. < 1338523148 175842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the benefit of future generations: < 1338523148 637838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1338523149 845858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 >> 2 < 1338523150 11821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523152 109955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523154 163302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 += 1 < 1338523156 157242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 << 2 < 1338523158 71000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 += 3 < 1338523160 64684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1338523814 26160 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't think multiplication by 2^(1/3) is actually a useful operation. < 1338523837 353260 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's do the same, except these are the operations: < 1338523858 813982 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"subtract Y from X", "calculate the number of groups of order X". < 1338525164 774474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-142.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525201 150418 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338525282 451289 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525409 243824 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-107.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338525689 90175 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525689 162605 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338525689 162751 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338525734 262293 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338526801 800443 :Brian-M!79db73a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.115.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338526851 186047 :Brian-M!79db73a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.115.164 QUIT : < 1338527150 656807 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338527467 67086 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338528165 951615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1338528166 123681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 2d 1h 9m 16s ago: hi < 1338528166 483736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 10h 53m 45s ago: What does fair do? < 1338528366 275850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Read the document for MonadLogic for some information about >>- it is a fair junction or something like that; fair ["Hello", "World"] = "HWeolrllod"; fair ["Hello", "World", "12345"] = "HWe1lol2or3l4d5" < 1338528382 643774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is something like join but using a different order < 1338528784 299148 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338528807 517038 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338530948 697629 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN's tragic fate has been its wide acceptance. APL is a mistake. students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. < 1338530963 200712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338530969 693624 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP has assisted a number of our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible thoughts. < 1338531157 660367 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of COBOL cripples the mind < 1338531187 216387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338531216 858052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know Control.Concurrent.Spawn? < 1338531221 368759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338531238 915083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the way you're supposed to use "pool"? < 1338531257 665907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of do { runOne <- pool limit; parMapIO_ (runOne . foo) [1..n] }, but that still spawns n threads most of which do nothing at any point in time, which seems like it might not be strictly necessary. < 1338531267 501165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise kmc is in here right < 1338531278 728027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but he's not responding. < 1338531283 461573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the other channel, at least.) < 1338531284 192530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway that sounds correct to me < 1338531303 470225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But spawning a million threads is annoying when most of them are just waiting on the QSem. < 1338531308 225870 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :full PL/1, with its growth characteristics of a dangerous tumor, could turn out to be a fatal disease. < 1338531310 993607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular it means that my program is slow and takes 100% CPU < 1338531342 678929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does runOne do that? < 1338531438 387147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :parMapIO_ does < 1338531870 575179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[no comment] < 1338531879 322545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im slep < 1338531904 50485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I see. < 1338531905 708814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1338531930 163941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK? < 1338531938 91592 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch some z's? < 1338531947 753125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any ideas? < 1338531954 64271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338531957 655762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea of...? < 1338531969 951039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pool is supposed to be used. < 1338531975 840313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338532042 987952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338533028 484376 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338535128 305910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338538662 128940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338538750 28006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*hit < 1338538758 691945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :815) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes \ 829) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. < 1338538768 572115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*brick.wall < 1338538772 587345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :829) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1338539385 97674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i quoted you in another channel" < 1338539393 284217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no what happened < 1338539401 373910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hing < 1338539450 885569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have logs of what happened it's my quote I want to know!! < 1338539492 914076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:19 imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1338539496 908269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:19 I want something like that, except for sending SIGHUP instead of hitting < 1338539507 210075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my process is getting a SIGHUP and I don't know why. :-( < 1338539521 805726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338539528 877075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there was some ants today < 1338539541 780351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they .. apparently lost interest < 1338539583 333241 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i feel rejected or relieved < 1338539610 390555 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless THEY were the scouts < 1338539944 240416 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338540129 81659 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338541295 883717 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338541314 784643 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-142.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338543795 291926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for... < 1338543795 844482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338543810 136367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get Bastion from the HiB and the checksum's wrong. < 1338543858 840237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338544349 79426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it some sort of ridiculous size. < 1338544352 633855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many of them were. < 1338544355 58589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, gigabytes. < 1338544375 883978 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!? gigabytes? < 1338544411 388309 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got HD that has over 512MB 6 years ago < 1338544760 726750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Linux versions, Amnesia: The Dark Descent is "1.1 GB", Bastion "1019 MB", and Psychonauts "4.1 GB". < 1338544780 515135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMBO and that Sword & Sorcery thing are rather smaller. < 1338544867 316200 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338544946 115651 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1 < 1338544947 56249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338544951 96972 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1338545050 169456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a relief. < 1338545077 399944 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallelujah praise the lord < 1338545078 662695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 + 1 = 3 in 1 + 1 < 1338545079 745066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1338545084 659768 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 = 2 < 1338545085 822091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let 1 = 2' < 1338545103 635756 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.o < 1338545115 651160 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1338545118 177514 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke it < 1338545128 548421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you didn't give it a complete expression. < 1338545138 4539 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338545138 985396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 = 2 in 1 -- sadly, it is still just 1 < 1338545140 247826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1338545148 489407 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338545161 588362 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant express myself completely if i cant set 1 to 2 < 1338545378 186984 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl + [1..10] < 1338545379 190886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a' < 1338545379 408680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : again... < 1338545393 298384 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2+2 lights! < 1338545411 326863 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :let 2+2=5 in 2+2 < 1338545420 51855 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+2 < 1338545421 172781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1338545429 479936 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. lambdabot is wrong < 1338545440 534894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 4 lights < 1338545442 812193 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a robot < 1338545444 815937 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cant be wrong < 1338545450 169574 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your human < 1338545452 12383 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your wrong < 1338545491 131062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1338545499 823683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+3 < 1338545500 839237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:4-8: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1338545512 792586 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338545532 850857 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree lambdabot < 1338545541 663603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 1+3 < 1338545541 735944 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus is wrong < 1338545542 619472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:4-8: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1338545555 872032 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' < 1338545556 964225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1338545562 788463 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' + 1 < 1338545563 722270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char) < 1338545563 889267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `1... < 1338545584 915740 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 4 < 1338545586 34670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1338545605 354905 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ ord 'a' + 1 < 1338545606 399754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545628 122103 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 5-1 < 1338545629 275164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1338545659 172622 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (chr . (+1) . ord) 'a' < 1338545661 67456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545667 903299 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind me. i don't know haskell and i'm extremely bored < 1338545682 53037 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338545682 947011 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats oke < 1338545684 440609 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1338545687 973915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1338545703 789905 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338545706 727589 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr.(+1).ord) "Same here" < 1338545706 800064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 'a' < 1338545708 24550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1338545709 171860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Tbnf!ifsf" < 1338545722 932431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a confusion. < 1338545725 346736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 'a' < 1338545726 567715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'b' < 1338545731 825684 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice < 1338545740 373909 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :map succ "Same here" < 1338545745 249484 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map succ "Same here" < 1338545746 166276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Tbnf!ifsf" < 1338545748 795106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for any Enum. < 1338545753 200644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t succ < 1338545753 516129 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ 'a' < 1338545754 234875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Enum a) => a -> a < 1338545754 673609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum (GHC.Types.Char -> GHC.Types.Char)) < 1338545754 673871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisi... < 1338545778 253083 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ succ 'a' < 1338545779 167575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum (GHC.Types.Char -> GHC.Types.Char)) < 1338545779 277188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisi... < 1338545788 80264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ . succ . succ $ 'a' -- keep on sucking. < 1338545789 931676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd' < 1338545801 717949 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338545810 50262 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate succ 'a' !! 10 < 1338545811 162038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545821 345934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So efficient. < 1338545839 857872 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let twice f = f . f in twice succ 'a' < 1338545841 790774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'c' < 1338545846 399648 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..] !! 10 < 1338545847 294756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545872 147237 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'k' < 1338545873 178609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338545910 131155 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> k < 1338545911 28674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : k < 1338545920 996556 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n = f . f . f .. n in power succ 10 'a' < 1338545921 907710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `..' < 1338545924 713157 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do this? < 1338545925 350496 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>'k' < 1338545996 725242 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1338545997 807614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1338546014 425414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ (maxBound :: Char) -- TO OUTER LIMITS ... AND BEYOND < 1338546015 589916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.Enum.Char.succ: bad argument < 1338546017 204338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1338546025 738482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Haskell Curry < 1338546026 863903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Haskell'Not in scope: data constructor `Cur... < 1338546027 278197 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338546039 548690 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i am awesome < 1338546040 833281 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . (+1) . ord $ '\x10ffff' < 1338546041 39135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `am'Not in scope: `awesome' < 1338546043 323591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.chr: bad argument: 1114112 < 1338546115 659608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: \x110000 is the name of the $deity. < 1338546150 179634 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\x110000' < 1338546151 16240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1338546151 192376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1338546171 283898 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) < 1338546172 416739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (... < 1338546198 476223 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) in power succ 10 () 'a' < 1338546199 557665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `f a' against inferred type `()' < 1338546210 258580 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let power f n r = if n == 1 then r else power f (n-1) (f . r) in power succ 10 succ 'a' < 1338546212 244345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'k' < 1338546215 50621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unsafeCoerce 0x110000 :: Char < 1338546215 935653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce' < 1338546225 328773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\1114112' < 1338546295 138557 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (ord 'A' + ) . ord) "Albert" < 1338546296 944955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\130\173\163\166\179\181" < 1338546324 381243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Haskell is just not good enough to express it. < 1338546352 513942 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (1+) [1..] < 1338546353 547051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,2... < 1338546373 866980 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lambdabot is a clever fella < 1338546393 108010 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is that < 1338546396 762670 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1338546399 835252 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just kidding < 1338546406 533405 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS NOT FUNNY < 1338546447 291343 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let "hes just kidding" = "ok" in "hes just kidding" < 1338546448 389574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hes just kidding" < 1338546492 294052 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i = 5 < 1338546493 281334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1338546503 345106 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i = 5 < 1338546504 414781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let i = 5' < 1338546511 787347 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> global i = 5 < 1338546512 811440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1338546514 876027 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1338546585 637458 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "I" > "You" < 1338546586 550667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1338546589 760067 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.o < 1338546591 780662 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1338546635 875706 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Albert" `max` "lambdabot" < 1338546636 764230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lambdabot" < 1338546642 405843 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hey < 1338546666 507816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen hey < 1338546666 686773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a great day for France! < 1338546666 935287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proud bot. < 1338546708 960745 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a lambdabot, I would take her to the park. < 1338546721 38647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of your fellow bot? < 1338546721 908963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dd does binary doesn't it? :) fnord je? :) taken me all night to watch this show!" < 1338546735 63797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1338546828 791140 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-194-035.wlan.tudelft.nl PART :#esoteric < 1338548914 54052 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549629 441296 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549637 294404 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549645 775726 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :_niels: hey! < 1338549649 335294 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+ 1 < 1338549650 512646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338549682 953074 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :_niels: try it out < 1338549733 246723 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "trebla olleh" < 1338549734 477211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello albert" < 1338549739 868971 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338549775 381244 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (succ . reverse) "slein olleh" < 1338549775 821054 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338549776 640931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Enum [GHC.Types.Char]) < 1338549776 858040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1338549779 100086 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549846 543615 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1+1=2 in 1+1 < 1338549847 955607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1338549881 627856 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1+1=3 in 1+1 < 1338549882 942088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1338549895 584952 :labbekak!~Admin@wlan-145-94-190-137.wlan.tudelft.nl PART :#esoteric < 1338549920 397039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338549977 914503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You've been talked to. < 1338549982 404063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338549983 183492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah! < 1338549987 379024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messags? < 1338549987 621396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338549994 651418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That typo works!? < 1338549998 186655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26 Taneb: Read the document for MonadLogic for some information about >>- it is a fair junction or something like that; fair ["Hello", "World"] = "HWeolrllod"; fair ["Hello", "World", "12345"] = "HWe1lol2or3l4d5" < 1338550001 578290 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338550003 995463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26 So it is something like join but using a different order < 1338550021 590890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular sort of talked to, not via the bot. < 1338550039 497691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO of talked to < 1338550096 761630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also regular < 1338550662 896608 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338550723 773535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, past zzo38! < 1338550734 189569 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338551051 389680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The once and future zzo38. (I don't recall what that references.) < 1338551070 210541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthurian mythology < 1338551077 958408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :King Arthur, the once and future king < 1338551079 144263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1338551095 616601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so too, though I believe via something else. < 1338551329 98955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338551980 53339 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-163-251.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338552014 367351 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-44-171.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338552299 702363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a short story by someone, I think < 1338552473 533957 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338552922 248516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: TANEB AWAY! < 1338553128 748323 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-44-171.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338553749 764078 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338553808 956968 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338555253 945240 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338555257 357248 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555851 72119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555969 37811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338555970 392161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338555981 649228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338555988 702037 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338556045 248506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1338556045 421955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338556642 110646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338557729 790514 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338557746 366328 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338558469 704783 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338560624 953870 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338560625 64366 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338560625 64536 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338560809 362607 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338561024 652561 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338561927 85732 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-37-188-173-52.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1338561937 16715 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-37-188-173-52.eurotel.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338564076 898046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338564674 128887 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338566294 363460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338566295 552432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338566523 316243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott And now you have 8. < 1338566523 497269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338566558 501111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338566559 163046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338566561 604989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong!!!! < 1338566775 127869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338567484 365789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338568195 82294 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338568315 99600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338568996 381881 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338571071 253203 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338571181 725856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338572975 390352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575312 219449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338575320 418604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised I am unable to program in C < 1338575384 332845 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338575401 331336 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575409 294604 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575409 368007 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338575409 368173 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575414 139033 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338575602 640997 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338575919 9157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you see this as a problem? < 1338575934 671777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it as a mild annoyance < 1338575957 142759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I'm not going to win the IOCCC any time soon < 1338576035 90848 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 reason to program in C, obviously. < 1338576041 578319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely < 1338576343 515021 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of hate VXJunkies, because it traps people who think it's real < 1338576366 851232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1338576382 556801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies < 1338576386 814959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not help < 1338576430 150124 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/comments/rt7pa/new_to_vx_help/ < 1338576446 289437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in: Sgeo__ "hates jokes; they're misleading" < 1338576472 422958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is just < 1338576474 421900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake science? < 1338576482 679632 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more hate not actually explaining the joke to people who don't get it and think it's real < 1338576500 122280 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fake ... some sort of principle machines < 1338576519 977353 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FAQ http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/comments/ewihz/ < 1338576617 88629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time for an "am I crazy or not" question: reducing the number of bugs Splint finds in my code by finding false positives and patching Splint to detect them correctly < 1338576620 118225 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent two messages to people in that subreddit who may have thought it was real < 1338576659 207897 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would these be general use patches or would their general use result in false negatives? < 1338576682 516744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meant to be general use, although (obviously) might be buggy < 1338576704 718629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly, I managed to get two false positives in the same line < 1338576724 954511 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. got staticaly linked sash to work. < 1338576796 514127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* at file scope */ typedef /*@dependent@*/ int* dependentint_p; static dependent_int global_array_of_dependent_ints[10]; /*@dependent@*/ int *foo(void) {return global_array_of_dependent_ints[5];} < 1338576826 621056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bugs were a) it was checking to see if the global was owned, rather than owned /or/ dependent; b) it was checking the annotation on the array itself, rather than the array's elements < 1338576849 45659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I have replaced a bunch of for loops with do-while loops because Splint is a little braindead with respect to loops < 1338576878 700177 :Wallabee!~IceChat9@99-63-46-159.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338576909 562292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?welcome Wallabee < 1338576912 654925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?welcome: not found < 1338576920 2747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Wallabee < 1338576923 569880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wallabee: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338576956 61157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dreadnaught is now beating everything but counterpoke? ouch < 1338576962 266114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I made counterpoke just in time < 1338577135 614390 :Wallabee!~IceChat9@99-63-46-159.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1338577810 686838 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Wallabee is probably Gregor < 1338577830 394035 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1338577852 564451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely accuses itidus20 of being Gregor
< 1338577868 771007 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Gregor is a wallabee < 1338577874 702365 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm Lawlabee. < 1338577877 984096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wallaby. < 1338577884 463090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My species is still spelled properly. < 1338578293 816830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember mrwright Some people, when faced with a problem, say "I know, I'll use transfinite induction over the ordinals!" Now they have a class-sized collection of problems. < 1338578293 935182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is forever etched in my memory. < 1338578369 18942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338578680 4829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338579716 240126 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learnt that parameter optimization is VERY slow... < 1338579761 969437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: CRAZY SUGGESTION: !bf_joust_test < 1338579829 605267 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an offline compiled version of EgoJoust to run the tests, although it would be nice to have a server function to do the same. < 1338579947 323934 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... even after half an hour my optimizer still hasn't found a better configuration. < 1338580014 894818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you've reached the optimum < 1338580050 134270 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, the version up right now is barely optimized at all. < 1338580080 467375 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... more waiting! < 1338580193 370297 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338580482 219680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, egojoust is quite slow, isn't it? < 1338580506 494269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego doesn't use egojoust < 1338580511 721752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and egojoust is very buggy < 1338580513 661621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you using it < 1338580521 116919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/chainlance < 1338580549 471949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainlance is an entirely viable option < 1338580573 193533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it's what egobot actually uses :P < 1338580650 826852 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone mind if I rambled inanely for a while? < 1338580757 754811 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/2ae75e0f/save.php?hash=32765885219c22e699c610e7ac7d6d28 < 1338580761 37590 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 0.0 < 1338580771 129112 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1338580804 195272 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A part of your soul ties you to the next world, or maybe to the last. This world is just illusion, trying to change you. < 1338580850 380827 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/d65f4df7/save.php?hash=f803e31d09c9d25051a6cff3bc4ea235 < 1338580853 641071 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 66.8 < 1338580888 711806 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my optimizer is making it worse. < 1338580919 899788 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/89f64fa2/save.php?hash=2f8298684e97f172e414d2a18789d7af < 1338580924 306472 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.9 < 1338580934 80538 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/anick MSleep < 1338580937 126829 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doof < 1338580944 330469 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 NICK :MDude < 1338580959 888946 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the "next world"? Presumably it's where you go when you die, or something like that. Does everyone go to the same "next world", or are there different ones for different people? < 1338580996 842291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338581037 665359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not every goes to the next world, but you certainly cant get there if you die < 1338581054 180195 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to beat world 1 to get to world 2 < 1338581071 174192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might can skip some worlds if you find a warp room < 1338581081 62710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you die its game over < 1338581093 283572 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1338581128 164624 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all of the worlds just illusion, or only some of them? < 1338581140 706960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you start with free lives, though, and get another live every hundred coins or when you eat a special mushroom < 1338581154 644667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three < 1338581156 777418 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338581262 539655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're not reallydead until all lives are gone. just set back a bit. the karma cycle ofrebirth goes on. < 1338582232 338674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, hmm < 1338582258 334583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the whole UEFI thing is causing a row again < 1338582296 113927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because although on x86 (and not ARM) the bootloaders are meant to be open to new user-specified keys, you have to muck around in the BIOS to enable them < 1338582308 22103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Microsoft offered to sign Fedora's bootloader with Microsoft's key < 1338582313 650564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a huge row about whether Fedora are selling out or not < 1338582322 573677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338582369 848658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinons here? it's a pretty interesting mess < 1338582382 120857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to think the openness of the PC platform is a historical accident which will not be repated < 1338582395 339177 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, now I'm depressed < 1338582437 724861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338582446 904742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338582454 189558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on the UEFI thing? < 1338582477 900625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1338582513 493868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so Microsoft offered to sign Fedora's bootloader with Microsoft's key < 1338582569 64397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not using pronouns because nobody would parse it correctly if I did) < 1338582600 322231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I read the blog post thing < 1338582605 798367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really "offer" < 1338582611 548763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell it < 1338582614 171121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1338582632 924577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Fedora had to pay $99 (once), but to Verisign not Microsoft < 1338582646 912899 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-94.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338582659 898254 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338582660 59598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338582777 336365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I actually think it's Microsoft genuinely trying to help < 1338582818 525220 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338582831 810497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we can take comfort in the fact that computer security is terrible < 1338582843 391285 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so even in the future when it's necessary to root your own laptop, it will be possible to do so < 1338582885 596080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this "secure boot" thing is pretty silly; are they really going to remove every feature and bug in the Linux kernel which allows root to execute code as ring0? < 1338583011 19594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it's just pretty damned shitty. < 1338583104 229261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't improve security notably, it just makes things fairly inconvenient. < 1338583138 784108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if an attacker is at the point where they could mess with the bootloader, they already own your box.) < 1338583166 282157 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the point... < 1338583178 81806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you want the bootloader to be cryptographically signed, in theory < 1338583193 11665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they own the box *even without touching the bootloader*. < 1338583199 859449 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed against a private key which is stored in a TPM chip or such < 1338583204 928877 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: how so < 1338583209 565048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc is suspect. < 1338583219 919946 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have an encrypted disk < 1338583222 411273 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care about this stuff < 1338583241 425985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true, then you're good if it's someone with physical access to your box. < 1338583245 440150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these discussions always devolve into "well, they *COULD* break out an ion deposition cannon and screw with the transistors on your CPU" < 1338583255 901420 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELKS is pretty awesome. It also shows how much bloat new apps have. I got a out of memory error when trying to start vi because I tried to start it under ash that was running on top of sash instead of directly from sash < 1338583256 572915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing the point that security is about relative threat and countermeasure costs < 1338583259 584577 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are no absolutes < 1338583273 707255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a remote attacker, yeah, your OS install is utterly suspect, even without the ability to mess with the bootloader. < 1338583280 162703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: nobody cares that vim uses 2 megs of ram instead of 1 < 1338583282 683892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back to 1985 < 1338583321 718021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'Scuse me, I'm offended that zlib has crc32 in 100k instead of 100 bytes. < 1338583336 649739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes all this "bloated" software, so horrible that we're optimizing for the very expensive human time instead of very cheap computer resources < 1338583357 554756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that to get 100k crc32 you have to pessimize human time as well as computer resources) < 1338583369 490586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1338583373 449794 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I meant vi. Vim wouldn't even start (64kB limit for .text) < 1338583385 902442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that sounds like actually shit code < 1338583399 411636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the usual whining about "bloat" is about fine code which omg doesn't use every cycle to maximum efficiency!!! < 1338583411 885893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. When I talk about "bloated code" I mostly refer to stuff that is *actually a large quantity of code*. < 1338583426 633112 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 99% of the time the metric that matters is how much code there is for humans to deal with. < 1338583436 474610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well that's not what nortti_ was talking about < 1338583449 763768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he'd probably have better luck with smaller human code size. < 1338583494 747907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338583496 335257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Which vi are you using? < 1338583535 127060 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you meant on ELKS? I am not completely sure < 1338583554 289170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that ELKS is anything but a curiosity at this point) < 1338583563 255838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I just submitted the story to Slashdot, mostly because I'm really interested in the resulting comments < 1338583564 231 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on slitaz I use busybox vi < 1338583566 797430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean programming with restricted resources is a fun challenge < 1338583571 747486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is sometimes required for embedded systems < 1338583604 24439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we're in a weird land where some embedded systems beat out 10 year old workstations. < 1338583635 252334 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that UEFI secure boit story? < 1338583641 496329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I'm not sure you can call "ARM in everything" "embedded" anymore. < 1338583641 826653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: yes < 1338583674 182621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a 50% success rate for Slashdot submissions before this one < 1338583675 641609 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's dumb when programmers get all smug and serious about a desktop app using 1 MB of RAM, which is $0.005 of RAM at current prices < 1338583678 905855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if it gets accepted or rejected < 1338583686 751994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I've made this point enough times < 1338583694 290971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_ seems oblivious or maybe I'm just misunderstanding their motivations < 1338583708 78988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean this http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/190217/red-hat-will-pay-microsoft-to-get-past-uefi-restrictions story? < 1338583728 706901 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah. Also the feeling when you realize that the speed of the phone your friend whines about is actually faster than your computer's < 1338583736 691664 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 1MiB of RAM? Heck, I might use that as a buffer. < 1338583772 593063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, okay, only if that's actually sane.) < 1338583797 696050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I looked for it, pity the search is still bad < 1338583806 447862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least it /still/ has a 50% chance of being accepted :) < 1338583813 42302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used this thing called Google. < 1338583814 256577 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to limit my programs to 64kB code+64kB stack&heap < 1338583831 661069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: You're a bit nuts. < 1338583855 888688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1338583879 178867 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes I am < 1338583914 602766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: More-so given that *even considering 8086's limitations* that sucker has no business being restricted to a single real mode segment per code, stack, heap. < 1338583948 83188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the addressing gets really ridiculous, but eh. < 1338584009 461321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own prediction is that someone will find a way to jailbreak the UEFI protection pretty quickly < 1338584018 341892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps using bugs in Microsoft's bootloader < 1338584053 390780 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want my code to run on all of my *nix systems including MINIX 1. Now I'll just hope I don't install lunix on my c64 < 1338584116 109315 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it is more of a limitation in bcc < 1338584126 702372 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+under ELKS < 1338584133 995647 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1338584234 261842 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338584273 673089 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1338584381 625057 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK um < 1338584419 467939 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is the point in a screen lock that includes a screensaver that is literally a transparent window moving around the screen < 1338584448 577618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it doesn't stop people looking at your screen, but it does stop them giving commands to it < 1338584521 6393 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... would quite like it if they can't look at my screen, and I'm especially unhappy that it's not made clear that it can randomly decide to stop doing that. < 1338584680 696246 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338584702 799076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought it was an option, rather than something that happens randomly < 1338584776 305678 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338584777 170185 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338585165 49790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure, you cannot turn off those things? < 1338585179 980312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it include some screensaver, can you add/remove some? < 1338585247 729214 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338585350 827826 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338585953 254596 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-94.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338586379 577494 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338586445 963598 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586580 364592 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586582 26073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-81.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338586588 40358 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338586625 325083 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338586724 413262 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338586727 405826 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338587156 974952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: help < 1338587854 543164 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338587912 13441 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338588421 47806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338588444 679086 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338588444 843595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 10 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338588452 188736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1338588494 178686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1338588496 593918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died a few times < 1338588523 606056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you permadie < 1338588525 766066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338588528 320881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ogak is playing right now < 1338588535 268335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's had "quality elliptic help" < 1338588540 432864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only died like 8 times so far anyway < 1338588547 357965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also did orc on another one < 1338588547 999657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1338588551 917482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to do lair on another one but it's almost dead < 1338588557 481400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave more info in lambdabot and henzell messages :P < 1338588582 592552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also you will be pleased to know: < 1338588585 878443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ogak has 5 gscs or so < 1338588591 964207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ready for a tukima's party" < 1338588619 936158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338588710 533855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you watching < 1338588715 885896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s DISCOBRADECAPELLO on cao < 1338588757 717792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338588767 197894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have any suggestions < 1338588774 854689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i followed syraine's ogak guide it went "great" < 1338588790 11581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the guide is < 1338588798 731368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :train m&f and fighting, focus m&f, m&f until 12, fighting until 8, then fighting -> invocations < 1338588799 474333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1338588801 832340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died repeatedly < 1338588806 909602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i stopped following it because it's terrible < 1338588808 870969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just trained invo instead < 1338588810 608655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syraine was really sad < 1338588841 124600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: additionally, help < 1338588876 419727 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :team CHAOSTALK spreadsheet. fewn. syraine. mission 1. Comments: F_)ck FeWn < 1338588907 379273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338588912 127823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched it < 1338588912 722850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1338588914 196145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1338588946 968488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw i was going to disto the gsc < 1338588948 914241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tukima's :( < 1338588974 655258 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the only problem with tukimas ogak < 1338589004 108200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could disto it and just unwield once tukimas. worst case we get glowed to hell < 1338589004 724009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apart from having to train to 27 hexes, apparently < 1338589012 503662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the worst part < 1338589014 466157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you forgotten: abyss < 1338589028 729064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw i fell down a shaft from like D:7 to D:11 < 1338589029 995399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "gr8" < 1338589035 742803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lugonu, elliott < 1338589040 82758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338589045 877970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lugonu is so great!!! < 1338589047 449801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite god < 1338589444 495743 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338589519 174058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338589804 809182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the pan lords names were created in lowercase < 1338589812 869863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ha" -judge of username competition < 1338591873 963223 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338591874 460187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338592042 796019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how is the vpar going < 1338592243 969641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw feel free to put rc stuff on the ogak < 1338592249 267268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it doesn't end up looking like squarelos < 1338593235 777018 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-242.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593261 971096 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks for letting me know about gearlance. It's working much better. < 1338593269 234490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338593269 401695 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1338593269 497930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /< < 1338593277 722646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the wiki still talk about egojoust? < 1338593281 438655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably be updated. < 1338593293 574992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do gamma correction by integer arithmetic? < 1338593304 994072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of the lances or juiced are reasonable for running tests < 1338593312 927992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use juiced because I wrote it and it has some nifty features for testing) < 1338593336 772393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll still finish lance some day < 1338593344 237142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593393 904365 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: The current configuration of dreadnought is nearly optimal, even though I barely optimized it. < 1338593423 854947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to gamma/contrast/brightness table by integer arithmetic? < 1338593473 685248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: can't think of any way to beat counterpoke without losing a huge amount of ground to everything else? < 1338593502 17164 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Indeed. < 1338593510 466105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I've come to the conclusion that the main difference between counterpoke and things like ffspg is that it sets the decoys much nearer the square it pokes < 1338593537 617346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the opponent has to be leaving evidence of their motion for it to work well < 1338593548 188933 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593565 926229 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have a test version that doesn't leave a trail. < 1338593580 214295 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It beats counterpoke, but only makes 3rd place. < 1338593597 389254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized I do have C documentation in my computer, in Cygwin, so I will use that < 1338593611 417908 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterpoke still does well, even without a trail, though. < 1338593612 710731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not leaving a trail leaves you vulnerable to regular rushes, unless you set large decoys < 1338593618 30367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't answer the gamma/contrast/brightness question, though) < 1338593624 572036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, the second half is optimized against trail-free programs < 1338593633 596030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it wouldn't even be reached for trailing programs < 1338593782 695204 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's strange that counterpoke is so low on the list. < 1338593791 779942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338593794 170053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-189.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593837 268577 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338593866 85909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1338593880 830663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right next to insidious, which is a much more hopeless strategy < 1338593886 655649 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1338593944 737568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beaten out by ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys ;) < 1338594142 775457 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338594146 288401 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.2 < 1338594178 997894 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gained .3 points, still losing to counterpoke. < 1338594192 173532 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338594247 167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so do you still think bf joust is broken? < 1338594482 756301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not as healthy as it could be < 1338594602 631162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not dead it's just resting < 1338594806 378223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, counterpoke falls off the tape against anticipation < 1338594817 801526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like counter-shudder isn't so useless after all :) < 1338595422 455715 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 37% done and I'm not even optimizing the decoy setup < 1338595440 868510 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the maximum number of decoys < 1338595480 176377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/ejTG < 1338595483 867988 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 0.0 < 1338595488 927020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, size limit again… < 1338595514 332647 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the full anticipation? < 1338595524 452708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I added in the cases needed to beat dreadnaught < 1338595533 281779 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1338595534 578082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete some of the five-cycle offset clear cases that aren't used in practice < 1338595567 389013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel justified in this sort of constant-tweaking because it's working around hill limitations rather than program limitations < 1338595577 914970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/PBLP < 1338595582 217145 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 35.9 < 1338595605 190253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust vs david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338595606 672615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -30 < 1338595608 151521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust wins. < 1338595629 982978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can generate the full anticipation easily enough but the hill won't accept it < 1338595661 218369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, it manages to get dreadnaught to run off the tape (!) < 1338595670 664785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on sieve polarity < 1338595674 447549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on kettle it locks it in place instead) < 1338595716 922420 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's because of the way I put in the anti-triplock in the attack scheme. < 1338595728 800347 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to do that properly... < 1338595801 851865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, [+[+]][+[+]]> is the sort of pattern you want if you want to be 100% immune to both triplocks and vibrations < 1338595824 336081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it won't beat anticipation, incidentally) < 1338595875 139264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a triplock requires three ] in a row, and there aren't there < 1338595893 856152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a vibration relies on you not checking for two cycles in a row, and that does < 1338595940 407404 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think I understand that now. < 1338595944 273012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: >,ml/.3f.A? < 1338595993 685137 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to quickly plug that into dreadnought and see the results. < 1338596058 751156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a [+] replacement < 1338596075 609348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted a different sort of clear loop, you'd replace each of the +s with everything you wanted inside the loop < 1338596115 414436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_vibration_and_triplock (>)*8(>[+[+]][+[+]])*21 < 1338596118 506626 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_vibration_and_triplock: 20.8 < 1338596120 849492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders if it beats anything else
< 1338596138 661680 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/8ff271d4/save.php?hash=bb8ae3da6cffef9d87d8764331b10e7c < 1338596142 188269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, all of olsner's programs, for one < 1338596142 270711 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.4 < 1338596153 147736 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338596156 539368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.0 < 1338596161 188537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, waterfall2 < 1338596179 662744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counterpoke, hahaha < 1338596219 879261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other results are expected (it beats programs that require the opponent to use decoys, and the things it's tuned to beat) < 1338596236 466727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now, you're beating everything but anticipation and counterpoke < 1338596243 968904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually really really like anticipation < 1338596265 988329 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really good idea, just a little big. < 1338596267 257651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity it doesn't compress well < 1338596279 635564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very simple program really, just all the cases have to be written out by hand and there are thousands < 1338596400 701920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338596408 390074 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the hill allowed something like bzip2 compression < 1338596421 685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't run a program while it's bzipped :) < 1338596449 38507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server side unpack? < 1338596479 106137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue's space used in memory while the program is running, rather than bandwidth < 1338596491 75571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the waterfalls beat dreadnought on one polarity < 1338596508 12314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's misdetecting on the other polarity, and the fallbacks don't work < 1338596547 64675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreadnaught seems far from unbeatable, the more I look at it < 1338596568 505941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, heh, on very long tapes there are draws, I'm guessing due to time out < 1338596669 119667 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought shouldn't be too hard to beat, it'll just take some time. < 1338596717 551550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke seems to beat it comprehensively, but I'm thinking more of tweaking existing strategies to beat it < 1338596735 748872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches waterfall2 beat dreadnought on a long tape on kettle polarity
< 1338596745 357867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I'll watch it lose on sieve, to see why < 1338596919 577178 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like waterfall2 waits for dreanought even when dreadnought has passed onto the next space < 1338596956 226970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has fallbacks against that sort of thing < 1338596960 217995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably won't work < 1338596968 721828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it falls back to triplocking in emergencies, and you have counter-triplock code < 1338597027 748422 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the reason why dreadnought continues past is also due to the counter-triplock code < 1338597205 329036 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it seems that dreadnought moves onto the [-] part of the clear routine on normal polarity and so it move on after 2 cycles instead of 3 < 1338597223 603577 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moves* < 1338597253 533724 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So really dreadnought wins by accident. < 1338597313 231376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite common against waterfall, it's really complex /and/ really fragile < 1338597365 276421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting it to the top of the hill required lots of constant-tweaking just to avoid coincidences where enemy programs got knocked onto a different part of their clear algo < 1338597396 364852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if an inline clear can be modified to take constant time? < 1338597422 713787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awesome if it could < 1338597448 779854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems awkward, it has beautifully hard to time constructs like [>] in < 1338597636 967276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the duration depends on the distance it has to move and the amount it has to clear < 1338597656 646696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an inefficient clear where we only change the value by 1 at a time until it's zeroed makes one of the values constant < 1338597723 781287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess we could use a counter or something for the tape length, copying it back and forth between a cell and the next one < 1338598042 232401 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598117 764193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doable, but may end up too long /and/ too slow < 1338598201 344535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be too long < 1338598352 852618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598355 945023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 23.2 < 1338598374 344884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338598444 750742 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me an idea... < 1338598483 974280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I've found the perfect clear loop for counterpoke :) < 1338598511 638047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this will suck against defence < 1338598618 295899 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598666 608620 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/e0870cd3/save.php?hash=d8e637c825b5fda9f9a5256ab546e67d < 1338598670 60242 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 66.2 < 1338598698 455954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338598701 797644 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 69.8 < 1338598742 336913 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered why that was a bad idea. < 1338598777 103924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be getting worse < 1338598779 963784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>[>>>>(+)*128[+]]>>>[<<<(+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598783 7508 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 27.9 < 1338598791 661605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats dreadnaught :) < 1338598814 310546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats quite a lot of things, actually < 1338598817 503639 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.8 is a good score though eh < 1338598840 179515 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, even with it's new losses. < 1338598860 765045 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls up.. oh wow 71 < 1338598878 695301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to the realisation that /even if/ you have a really really large offset on your offset turtle, it's still going to go faster than a standard clear < 1338598928 726332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 was before countermeasures, so a little unrealistic. < 1338598938 940011 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong i couldn't write a bfjouster for the life of me, but i know that 71.2 has got to be a serious score < 1338598944 672931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :countermeasures = everyone coming up with creative new ways to beat your program? < 1338598949 676858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well, I consider 30 to be a nice solid score < 1338598955 698709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338598960 490975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 70, you have to have a serious attempt at beating /every/ other program < 1338599035 899286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/TLKR < 1338599039 206833 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599041 867544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338599066 304182 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: The average on the hill is around 28 or so. < 1338599075 721204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax error, probably < 1338599082 417030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not about twinking < 1338599093 841829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed an open paren somewhere, I think < 1338599111 75781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/eQgF < 1338599114 345790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599116 829260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1338599127 578666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unmatchd ]" < 1338599131 200342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"unmatched ]" < 1338599159 956068 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of unmatched loops and perenthesis, looking at egojsout. < 1338599178 247251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/IdEN < 1338599181 415892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 11.4 < 1338599186 907116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not as high as I'd hoped < 1338599201 169762 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338599206 585945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it loses to juggernaught < 1338599287 60339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the clear loop in omega_counterpoke is just impractically slow for the situations it ends up in < 1338599304 166564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke's strength in skipping decoys, the strength of a careless clear is that it doesn't care about decoys < 1338599334 812671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both omega_turtle and counterpoke are better than omega_counterpoke < 1338599338 232403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting experiment, anyway < 1338599534 354813 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 http://tinypaste.com/592fbfd1/save.php?hash=7e4c4922ec72a14c90a7e6312b821d59 < 1338599537 564295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 26.5 < 1338599582 458103 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 < < 1338599585 523962 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 0.0 < 1338599607 213280 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that increasing the range of the offset clear doesn't help much either. < 1338599871 915554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect it to < 1338599879 436934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3's enough to get past trivial trails and the like < 1338599892 886014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else, it's probably not going to be worth doing anything other than brute-forcing it < 1338600068 532666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's quite likely to be a flag < 1338600137 111597 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338600230 169389 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600250 999507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the optimizer just found a better config for dreadnought, but I can't extract it in mid-run. < 1338600353 292060 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600463 107488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<([{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600466 85254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 9.4 < 1338600478 847945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty experimental, I didn't expect it to work well < 1338600482 760062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to see how it fails < 1338600588 709320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, that was really really stupid < 1338600629 721898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600632 791542 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 12.2 < 1338600854 505732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600857 553087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600867 466784 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1338600867 763023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600870 904681 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.0 < 1338600880 510700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600883 527899 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.2 < 1338600890 605688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I guessed right first time :) < 1338600914 256581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>[((>>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600917 247057 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600925 876400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600929 93507 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600939 514501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600942 699746 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600976 663488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust vs ais523_triplock3.bfjoust XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -2 ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust wins. < 1338600978 325080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1338601083 444228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, obviously, they're just both waiting for each other < 1338601164 324318 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem with programming defense, it doesn't work so well again other defense programs. < 1338601183 500379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is, I'm sure, ruefully aware of that. < 1338601214 29953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really rueful, it's pretty easy to change to a counter-defence rush after a few tens of thousands of cycles < 1338601257 708176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /ouch/, there's an obvious bug in skyscraper < 1338601346 247898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601349 320371 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601458 952798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another, which is less easily fixable < 1338601623 481519 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 89% done... it'll probabbly only be another tenth of a point anyways. < 1338601678 760121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*20[]<(+++++[[[[[[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[-- < 1338601679 147556 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought was surprisingly close to what the current optimizer found, despite being unoptimized < 1338601679 461909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338601680 157419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%45 < 1338601686 471715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that didn't fit all one line :) < 1338601731 627891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper http://sprunge.us/VjDE < 1338601732 805857 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered what would happen with long lines on irc... < 1338601735 304469 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 14.8 < 1338601740 350461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and it was worse anyway < 1338601745 258116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601748 220258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601832 651106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601835 753322 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 17.2 < 1338601876 436392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601879 433295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.9 < 1338601887 597386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimenting with different sorts of clear loop < 1338601893 918759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a large offset clear might work well with that algo < 1338601911 186019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601914 236618 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 20.9 < 1338601921 888588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601924 992656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338601931 445578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601934 510304 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 19.2 < 1338601942 984244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601945 906051 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.6 < 1338601954 476865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601957 631881 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 22.1 < 1338601965 927651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's stick with this version < 1338602037 423245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could plausibly call it attack9 < 1338602041 492949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's defend9 but a rush program < 1338602072 794931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus can be defeated by all the usual sorts of things that beat defend9 < 1338602183 323120 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that a major loss area is around where Deewiant and Gregor's programs are. < 1338602241 834876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have me for converting to jiyva < 1338602242 901967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1338602291 281847 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry the character is actually ok now that ive gotten used to it < 1338602477 184779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338602484 932564 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338602621 34455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256])%768 < 1338602624 318650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.1 < 1338602626 966380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle fix < 1338602661 344931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there's a very easy way to beat skyscraper, which is something that some players do out of habit and some don't < 1338602697 947023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and now insidious, skyscraper and counterpoke are all next to each other on the leaderboard < 1338602744 571056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, dreadnaught has started losing to slowpoke, if I read the leaderboard correctly; I'm not sure why < 1338602764 462111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you figured out skyscraper's strategy yet, btw? < 1338602884 212709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can see, it detects the polarity of the enemy and builds several large decoys that are more difficult for that polarity. < 1338602895 352467 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure that's correct. < 1338602978 178790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's it < 1338602993 61520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's setting the decoys to whatever polarity the enemy has trouble clearing < 1338602998 424889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively making there twice as many < 1338603001 782473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you for using the correct polarity names btw < 1338603047 451694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an interesting definition of "correct" :) < 1338603236 804759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining skyscraper with counterpoke could be interesting < 1338603245 34923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if I have the mental energy to write that right now < 1338603258 714960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only on long tapes, skyscraper sacrifices short ones < 1338603405 851935 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization complete! < 1338603409 919665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603412 964687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 23.8 < 1338603430 793492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338603440 827533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that /looked/ like a straight improvement, as well < 1338603486 852996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I completely messed up the c/p < 1338603520 207915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603523 465977 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603529 481502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better :) < 1338603587 385491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's mostly Gregor it isn't beating < 1338603606 464256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and huh, that clear loop is written in a nonsensical manner < 1338603669 790858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603672 851713 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603679 951283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, even though it's equivalent < 1338603702 598039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is timer clear, I guess, as it's struggling against defence < 1338603714 73505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1338603723 779315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603726 912422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338603733 110778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler :) < 1338603747 310037 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And better scoring too! < 1338603796 202689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, a much simpler fix than timer clear < 1338603803 632327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's getting triplocked… < 1338603807 201212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks whre
< 1338603808 685526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1338604000 471776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1338604066 801595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%256])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604069 726784 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 30.5 < 1338604079 670818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what did that screw up? < 1338604084 450919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604087 663566 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604143 679101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604146 795218 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 29.1 < 1338604160 436931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604163 507679 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604176 566951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604179 489194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604197 647459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604200 695162 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 24.6 < 1338604251 234168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])}])%2560])}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604254 398879 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604265 909026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604269 109670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604309 453565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604312 588194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.6 < 1338604345 852051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338604381 6696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1338604404 739751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now skyscraper's doing better than slowrush < 1338604408 789250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program isn't meant to do this well help < 1338604418 371058 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/dbb9314c/save.php?hash=62e33e11c2a65678f411f084883c46a4 < 1338604422 416729 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 67.4 < 1338604439 928484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dreadnought and skyscraper /draw/ < 1338604484 404272 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, I didn't even have skyscraper in the optimization set < 1338604555 646332 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not feeling well, what is all this mess < 1338604556 185731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338604564 239967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: we're jousting < 1338604578 749023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat came up with dreadnought which /almost/ beat everything < 1338604583 22164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338604583 107482 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1338604583 278054 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1338604587 857642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I came up with a range of new programs to beat it < 1338604591 684890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi\o/ < 1338604593 849549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi \o/ < 1338604594 15082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1338604594 87576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            >\ < 1338604649 427317 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm optimizing only against skyscraper < 1338604666 828178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unwise < 1338604678 901 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun < 1338604708 798104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf, that was a pretty amazing reason for skyscraper losing on sieve < 1338604710 436869 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean what all is new? ;) < 1338604738 399319 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got done coding for like 4 days @ 16 hours so my brain doesn't want to read these < 1338604758 201861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{.(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604761 477946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 31.5 < 1338604764 123604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw a bunch of symbols and was like o, people be playing around eh? < 1338604770 926755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops < 1338604808 530539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily fixable, apparently :) < 1338604830 960614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go slowrush hang in there!!! < 1338604831 972707 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604849 734878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%100}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%156])%768 < 1338604852 898551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 34.8 < 1338604856 747206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better :) < 1338604892 142225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it work a bit better against dreadnought and space_elevator < 1338604896 593794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a nicely generic fix, I hope < 1338604915 847682 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you guys are just throwing the symbols in a random number generator anymore < 1338604918 285326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604921 519141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get around to fixingspace elevator < 1338604935 463153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was space_elevator ever #1? I can't remember < 1338604937 59705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1338604944 752960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you be fixing it for? modern strategy? < 1338604959 732444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a great decoy build butit clears too slow to win < 1338604971 712058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :somainnly fixing the rush part < 1338604988 267799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the simple clear loops are the best < 1338604995 921846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338605006 401248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll be glad to hear that skyscraper is probably the best moderately good program that sacrifices short tape lengths < 1338605018 65213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was your strategy, IIRC < 1338605023 546542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, first moderately good < 1338605035 702648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338605042 563310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was indeed < 1338605045 319482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it? < 1338605052 374880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sacrifice them just to get a head start, though; it sacrifices them to give more space to build decoys < 1338605055 364581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule of12? < 1338605061 674988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a rule of 12 in there < 1338605072 705916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it detects a short tape, it switches to omega_turtle < 1338605084 550682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only sacrificing short tapes it can't detect, which is typically 3 or 4 lengths < 1338605107 954155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is omega turtle < 1338605108 712386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule of 12 is because if it hasn't lost already, the tape is probably quite long < 1338605115 754765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a turtle with a very large offset < 1338605153 354537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new program but it is almost certainly too long < 1338605213 35922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if pastebinned? < 1338605223 638473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to add something to bfj language to make complex strategies smaller and clearer < 1338605239 752208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably obsoleteall currentstrategies < 1338605296 153781 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it doesn't change instruction size? < 1338605306 220764 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of macro compiler could be useful < 1338605318 220761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure what kind of directives you would quantify these with though < 1338605325 103068 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are patterns so i'm sure it's possible < 1338605404 321340 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros would be very useful. < 1338605444 780052 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the macros had submultipliers, it would be even better. < 1338605491 753333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: problem is the macros have to be expanded server-side < 1338605496 527031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work when you have very complex constructions < 1338605510 72645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with the existing repetition facilities is that they can be interpreted efficiently, without expansion < 1338605518 521795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egojoust expands them, which is why it's so slow) < 1338605529 245104 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memory consuming < 1338605692 223907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rages at sucralose_philip
< 1338605697 923467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other programs based on it < 1338605729 51454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing strategy after four decoys makes all my strategy detection kind-of useless < 1338605849 863031 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, what's triplock3 doing that near to the bottom? < 1338605867 767559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: triplock3 is a simplified but less accurate triplock2 < 1338605872 924131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be doing somewhat worse than triplock2 < 1338605881 9583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everyone knows about triplocks nowadays < 1338605891 435322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think anyone else actually /uses/ them < 1338605921 467226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I'd forgotten that waterfall3 actually /deleted its own decoys/ in order to stop sucralose_philip changing strategy :) < 1338605982 369283 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting way to beat it < 1338606006 60685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338606013 571926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete your decoys, change your flag, and it falls off the end :) < 1338606036 299792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that affect its performance against other programs though? < 1338606050 489413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot, it only did it if it detected a turtle/philip < 1338606073 691083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 is pretty much made of special cases < 1338606075 912400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, i just read the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3 < 1338606076 580199 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338606090 910458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /quite/ think it's the case that every program sent it down a different codepath < 1338606094 873319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it must have been quite close ;) < 1338606110 954525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I only wrote a couple of lines about slowpoke < 1338606117 679026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because waterfall3 really is that much more complex than slowpoke is < 1338606135 912490 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that it took so long for the ideas wrt: timing detection to show profit < 1338606155 35178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nice to see :) < 1338606163 980981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i never thought programs that complex would succeed < 1338606183 64972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game has stayed interesting longer than i figured on < 1338606184 189433 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338606195 50966 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's way too annoying to actually participate in now haha < 1338606204 181806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, you still have programs on the hill < 1338606210 507014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just try some simple programs and see what sticks < 1338606211 571245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ < 1338606224 788424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_first_program_ever [>[-]+] < 1338606224 903953 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's not as interesting ;) < 1338606225 54721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3” – URL, please. :-) < 1338606228 3619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_the_first_program_ever: 9.3 < 1338606231 161306 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606238 422171 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the wiyki < 1338606241 613623 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed the page < 1338606246 226488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks < 1338606247 960807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 and scroll down a bit < 1338606257 869156 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankes. < 1338606258 199141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop when you reach the wall of text < 1338606261 989315 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. < 1338606269 911125 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of updating the language < 1338606277 853297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first program ever doesn't do to well nowadays < 1338606279 580293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be one thing that was enabled by the better interpreter < 1338606281 413528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1338606288 466426 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat common < 1338606296 712133 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically setting up nested loops to operate as conditionals < 1338606305 448202 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a waste of memory and they never get processed < 1338606307 599683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338606309 205158 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just get used as ifs < 1338606323 534509 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it would be fair to add something like an if-not-zero < 1338606337 178281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since theoretically you can accomplish the same by nesting a bunch of loops to ridiculous length < 1338606337 795566 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1338606340 480826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I strongly considered an alternative BF Joust where doing that was banned in order to make defence more interesting < 1338606342 831147 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make programs simpler to read etc. < 1338606353 804053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly oppose the idea of adding an if construct < 1338606364 734136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underlying language is still pure BF in bf joust now and it should stay that way IMO < 1338606374 30624 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i just pointed out < 1338606380 198534 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply a convenience < 1338606385 789212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like the % and * loops < 1338606391 241045 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't alter the language any < 1338606398 826350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a lot heavier a layer than a simple repetition system < 1338606407 784254 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to make possible "larger" programs < 1338606418 395293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.. it basically IS a simple repetition system < 1338606423 320809 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start a loop that i don't expect to end" < 1338606434 102877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "a ifnonzero(b) c" is a[bc]c but unfortunately, that doesn't abbreviate to anything, not even using % < 1338606436 56887 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am only gonna write the first character, you can just assume the last one is there" < 1338606458 87971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's quite common for b never to return, in which case if and while are equivalent < 1338606475 217941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about the failure case < 1338606476 23671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606505 188913 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, it would be nice to make things more readable < 1338606530 37563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that at least one program of mine, I was going to do that but it didn't fit into size limits, so I had to be more BFy < 1338606544 302168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note: if you had arbitrary control structures, you'd never use the tape for computation ever < 1338606555 707964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, generally you don't /anyway/, but waterfall3 does) < 1338606558 27787 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size limits are merely practical, not theoretical ;p < 1338606577 688483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the tape for computation is awkward because the opponent has a tendency of scribbling on it < 1338606583 568504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can safely do it /behind/ the opponent < 1338606626 302131 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1338606630 494410 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize this is rather off the wall < 1338606636 71886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) number lines < 1338606643 950652 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) provide a mechanism for "if not zero, goto" < 1338606646 500233 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) only goto forwards < 1338606674 119985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we making a new game in the spirit of bfjoust < 1338606674 801514 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338606677 979322 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1338606686 816854 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just talking about notation differences that might make it rather easier to read < 1338606695 61468 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea here is that things of the form < 1338606695 309470 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a joust with a new language < 1338606705 611597 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has yet to become self aware < 1338606740 89323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i should just write explanations before i offer ideas < 1338606740 793704 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338606760 391570 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a][b][c] isn't what i was trying to address < 1338606769 399272 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess actually < 1338606779 803977 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a[b[c]]] can also be covered by that case < 1338606789 117323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the need is for a time penalty of the appropriate amount of cycles < 1338606812 989538 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is calculable < 1338606819 610027 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure this would really clean anything up much < 1338606819 682623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time penalty" would be fatal to programming < 1338606825 226385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes you vulnerable to triplocking < 1338606827 443263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'time penalty' i mean ]]]] < 1338606835 835401 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't get processed as if it was ] < 1338606863 489738 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what am i even talking about, we don't indend to end/loop with this < 1338606869 400780 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sick, i will just be quiet ;) < 1338606911 720312 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no relevance to bfjoust. but i can see that the nice thing about the bfjoust page on the esolang wiki is it's the sort of thing that could show up as a paperback at a flea market. < 1338606937 466217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338606998 564831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the sort of text someone could just pick up and read .. with an introductory chapter explaining what brainfuck is and what bfjoust is < 1338607005 964087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: btw, you should link to a specific version of the file < 1338607008 592303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the other links do < 1338607012 666849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the strategies page < 1338607017 173892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it falls of the hill or gets changed < 1338607024 806596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it gets changed, then you can update the link when you update the description, ofc) < 1338607027 523014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1338607032 820536 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regret fucking with slowrush < 1338607036 311463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607060 236549 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after wix stopped fucking with wiggle3 < 1338607062 130710 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The file link is to the most recent version, do you mean the animation version? < 1338607063 8144 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year later i was like < 1338607065 59298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA I GET THE LAST WORD < 1338607069 890081 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tweaked the constants < 1338607074 401414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: not latest, that's the point < 1338607077 629499 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't really help so i put em back < 1338607079 414421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/80f20eeecd87/ais523_slowpoke.bfjoust < 1338607079 940574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1338607080 475529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338607086 457236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter breaks when it falls off the hill < 1338607088 441582 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's not technically an uninterrupted run since... god i have no idea when < 1338607094 536550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former doesn't (it points to a specific version and will never change) < 1338607115 338829 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I'll change that. < 1338607191 300219 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I don't think dreadnought is going to be knocked off anytime soon. < 1338607206 391239 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might well be changed though ;p < 1338607217 687586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>([(+)*24[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*23[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*22[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*21[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*20[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*19[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*18[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*17[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*16[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*15[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*14[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*13[-{[+++[+++]]}>]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256)*-1 < 1338607220 701919 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 15.8 < 1338607229 949919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there you go, the strategy which I believe beats all defence strategies < 1338607243 444461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not do very well < 1338607251 777647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really the point < 1338607254 786525 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607264 663467 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes an interesting counterexample? < 1338607268 766091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't tuned to beat attack strategies /at all/ < 1338607274 132103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, it's meant to trivialise the game < 1338607281 260918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338607286 20077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the problem is there's too many attack programs on the hill < 1338607288 242694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1338607293 646331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not try it with one of your warriors? < 1338607300 405567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it loses to the waterfalls < 1338607303 270988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks why
< 1338607392 510178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, typo < 1338607427 500722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe not < 1338607577 399328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338607583 576310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338607586 804359 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 13.9 < 1338607593 633188 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338607669 761862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats anticipation, defend9.75, triplock2/3, waterfall2/3 < 1338607674 451943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :various other assorted programs too < 1338607691 737809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/doesn't/ beat vibration, because it needs a separate countervibrate and I didn't bother to add one, but doing that is simple enough < 1338607728 10684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the base program for that is the standard (>)*8(>[-])*21, btw, it just has a much more complex clear loop) < 1338607747 968167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a two-cycle offset clear, except against defence) < 1338607769 38879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defence is detected via a 100% reliable mechanism < 1338607800 103255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the opponent /must/ be changing their flag value during the clear in order for it to be detected) < 1338607819 990464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the different numbers on the offset clear are to beat anticipation < 1338607869 362019 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what anticipation does < 1338607879 535653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it anticipates? ;p < 1338607893 622287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets its flag to nonzero the cycle /after/ the opponent zeroes it < 1338607898 256337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by measuring the opponent's timings < 1338607905 149170 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338607912 85396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this puts it into its anti-vibration loop (because it would, wouldn't it?) < 1338607922 323604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it uses a counter-anti-vibration lock < 1338607940 4605 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an anti-counter-vibrating-furry-leather-strapon lock-and-chain < 1338607952 200562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like what Gregor would come up with :) < 1338608025 336682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to add this to skyscraper, but come to think of it, there's no real need < 1338608030 327562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyscraper detects defence well enough as it is < 1338608084 287931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608087 395482 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 21.0 < 1338608091 944052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put some decoys in there, give it a chance < 1338608103 182487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*4(>-----)*4(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608106 388173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 23.5 < 1338608172 339380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608175 248742 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608178 628154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338608201 786549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#8, just below space_elevator < 1338608205 309589 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's looking impressive < 1338608248 14917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 999 instead of -1, out of curiosity? < 1338608258 401050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has to be a finite number higher than 256 < 1338608269 949851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why finite? < 1338608273 574046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted to avoid multiples of 256 due to weird coincidences < 1338608279 942326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the time at which it breaks out of the original clear loop < 1338608283 696002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moves onto the counterdefend loop < 1338608292 302684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :([+++[+++]] in this example) < 1338608318 857533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608331 759623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 999 a bit big, because of the cycle limi? < 1338608333 797374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*limit < 1338608348 739588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get anywhere near the cycle limit, which is 10000 < 1338608352 252386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe it will < 1338608356 435973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not seeing timeout draws < 1338608362 8864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's 100000, not 10000 < 1338608364 567264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, nowhere near < 1338608373 839332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338608430 644449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608433 658877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608440 756404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that'd be equivalent, and it's shorter < 1338608543 468397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an uncreative name :p < 1338608574 689339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/dcIN < 1338608578 44103 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.7 < 1338608581 267262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338608582 783742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608585 883564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608592 401594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drops /that far/ if I add a simple antishudder? < 1338608623 487690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1338608631 433711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338608634 534124 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.1 < 1338608634 870173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo, again < 1338608673 253318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that antishudder from waterfall3; it's a bit long, but it's tried and tested < 1338608707 892488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338608708 470033 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338608715 880300 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, 2.7 points away from 5th place. < 1338608744 11581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it loses to counterpoke < 1338608761 784869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should try using that as the clear loop in an existing good program or something < 1338608783 895109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it < 1338608795 356154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my recent existing good programs would benefit from it < 1338608809 994139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick someone else's! < 1338608811 875001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps counterpoke < 1338608820 177257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game hasn't had enough modification and blending of other people's programs for ages < 1338608827 476380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the amazing score here doesn't seem to be due to the clear loop < 1338608840 322234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you said it was a drop-in to another program < 1338608843 985413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I suggested that < 1338608845 924311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a simple fast rush program which doesn't have to worry about defence < 1338608892 415653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*19[-])*21 < 1338608895 538906 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 38.1 < 1338608900 697441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I mean? < 1338608919 116666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop < < 1338608921 645350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608922 176351 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 0.0 < 1338608926 986837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misinterpreted me though < 1338608932 878780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not mean s/dtd's clear loop/someone else's/ < 1338608942 890345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1338608959 476755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else's program =~ s/clear loop/dtd's clear loop/ < 1338608960 642128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21 but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338608965 838205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338609006 429821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's also important that the 999 is not even approximately divisible by 256 < 1338609014 217945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can create a modified anticipation to beat it < 1338609034 340547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…999 is sort-of divisble by 256, isn't it < 1338609035 133849 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you just want something relatively prime with a large step < 1338609044 646540 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like corewars bomb steps < 1338609067 68876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/UgLO < 1338609068 476499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pick the number least divisible by 256 < 1338609070 356588 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 32.6 < 1338609076 14020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do wrong there? < 1338609084 49661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338609085 208467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill effects < 1338609087 414440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 40.4 < 1338609091 297479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338609094 803754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that large of hill effects < 1338609103 310838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that was scoring 41 earlier, hill effects have pushed it down to 40 < 1338609145 548712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be winning just by out-decoying everyone else < 1338609180 805798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind-of vulnerable to pokes, though < 1338609222 24302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that'll just mean more points for counterpoke :D < 1338609306 426136 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going for the triforce of bfjoust < 1338609318 984901 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'll form the head! < 1338609337 783259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we need yr scoring system btw < 1338609354 911968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does it really beat every defence strategy? < 1338609363 763673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338609367 75969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know of, at least < 1338609370 212566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338609371 758913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338609381 669456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything that relies on locks that only work against one type of clear loop, it beats < 1338609432 889000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does it do it < 1338609505 409855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/XUOQ < 1338609508 625122 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.4 < 1338609512 255267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying out something that skips zeros < 1338609513 722734 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1338609513 795018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1338609543 499754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it beats it by changing strategy after a clear has failed for too long < 1338609624 153532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338609627 605955 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338609631 713703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaks for very long tapes < 1338609668 522697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[..+++++------] is very distinctive looking :) < 1338609686 27941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like LASERS PEW PEW < 1338609687 172976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: it's an anti-shudder < 1338609695 410076 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, death_to_defense is looking very nice < 1338609698 261982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.. i invented them! ;p < 1338609700 540352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :52.1? yow < 1338609704 704221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1338609707 460799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not up into the 70s < 1338609714 242805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically a good old-fashioned slow rush program < 1338609727 754854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a 2pass decoy setup (the first 2/3 of 3pass) < 1338609738 471423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: less than .5 before you're at #4 < 1338609741 611038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :score, I mean < 1338609759 887277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though be careful of over-fitting...) < 1338609775 591416 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Gregor take back 3rd place...? < 1338609798 455475 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably shifting scores? < 1338609803 139655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: probably as a result of hill effects caused by new programs < 1338609813 667581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the good poke programs beat death_to_defence < 1338609822 504010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to put some sort of antipoking in, I guess < 1338610053 876894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/AdUJ < 1338610057 123642 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 51.0 < 1338610057 289055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll probably drop the score < 1338610063 751925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by much, it seems < 1338610081 51308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610084 323375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't give it any new wins, anyway < 1338610084 489339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610087 641113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really worth doing < 1338610157 866710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/cMiQ < 1338610161 89020 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 45.8 < 1338610164 490676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338610166 211445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610168 869212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worth a try < 1338610169 521177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610230 991728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtd and counterpoke have most (all?) of the programs covered between them < 1338610370 182320 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys, ais523_undermine, atehwa_test_blah and david_werecat_juggernaut beat both of them < 1338610378 952895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1338610397 331618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…how does undermine beat death_to_defence? I'll have to check < 1338610434 316600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is surprisingly hard to beat with a good program, you need at least four decoys to be competitive nowadays :) < 1338610488 710403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems undermine simply does it with tripwire avoidance < 1338610601 467894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/gZUM < 1338610602 681325 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.8 < 1338610604 878650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.8 < 1338610613 249257 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338610623 418333 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wat?!' < 1338610626 354041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it got worse < 1338610652 86194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying something experimental < 1338610668 196319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NiFH < 1338610671 322777 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 47.8 < 1338610722 323766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/WSZF < 1338610725 727505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.2 < 1338610742 719621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll stop that < 1338610748 34248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610751 540843 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610771 991386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was adding in some tripwire avoidance, but it didn't help against enough and hurt against lots more) < 1338610820 790475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend7 http://sprunge.us/BTjd < 1338610823 963935 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend7: 11.8 < 1338610827 5421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how it works nowadays < 1338610829 542278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: not very well < 1338610864 180382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend5 http://sprunge.us/DVdY < 1338610867 398779 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend5: 10.5 < 1338610875 873446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when your name wasn't autoprefixed < 1338610893 653692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad day to be a defence program < 1338610895 192045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1338610936 280684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripstridewire (>)*9[(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*7[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*5[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*3[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*1[[+]]]>[[+]]>[[+]] < 1338610939 504035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_tripstridewire: 20.4 < 1338610939 587043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying some old programs again < 1338610943 564334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if they even touch the hill < 1338610945 133727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one did < 1338610995 153976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't remember < 1338610995 515503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338611000 162884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338611001 281760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just added programs without any name prefix < 1338611005 101464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy1 >>>>>>>>>(-[+[+[---]]]>)*21 < 1338611007 153818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we started prefixing our names manually < 1338611008 207653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_speedy1: 20.1 < 1338611008 456094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid conflicts < 1338611009 606516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1338611010 978365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that before or after the hill was upside-down? < 1338611018 250967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much before < 1338611021 753486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first few days or week or so < 1338611040 49062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems we're not facing hill effects really; the programs have just got /that/ much better < 1338611213 108961 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be possible to get an archive of all the old programs from the repository? < 1338611331 555437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill is kept in hg < 1338611335 623011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338611336 257378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338611341 756681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/ < 1338611366 653383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/shortlog/9a683e7e8d50 the beginning < 1338611394 627263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/rev/45eec5187d79 people named them like this < 1338611405 12446 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for the link < 1338611409 173745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you might have started the "nick_program" thing < 1338611415 187573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: np < 1338611449 278933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_vff_experimental >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(--++)*2500[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1338611452 311635 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_ais523_vff_experimental: 21.1 < 1338611455 177844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338611591 423667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust < 1338611591 506283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -42 < 1338611591 578822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust wins. < 1338611592 919247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no fair < 1338611625 517330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vibration_fool_fast :) < 1338611640 594871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's a defence program, what did you /expect/ to happen? < 1338611660 408541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds flexible timer clear to the wiki
< 1338611712 440534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in future, the main use of defensive elements will be for things like skyscraper < 1338611728 951927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which feel like a defence program, but doesn't use any sort of lock (although it /does/ use a tripwire) < 1338611904 690238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, BF Joust lives another day? < 1338611916 138909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: david_werecat_juggernaut.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjous t<><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< 2elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust wins. < 1338611922 306207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hopelessly broken, just shallower than I'd like < 1338611925 427543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, death_to_defence is probably notable enough for a description even if it hasn't gotten to #1 < 1338611938 722669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put its main strategy on the wiki in the strategies section < 1338611944 737731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell G. that BF Joust is still being innovated on today :) < 1338611949 800161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one that doesn't really matter < 1338611952 457350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can if you like < 1338611957 202634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your code block is broken < 1338611978 381817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's intentional, if you mean the line of non-codeblock in it < 1338611989 475399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't code < 1338612006 678621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly < 1338612192 363590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a wiki, if there's a formatting you'd prefer that isn't misleading you can fix it < 1338612231 399934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im laze < 1338612340 209001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that no defense programs are simple (the very nature of a defensive strategy makes this so)" < 1338612341 554343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote this < 1338612343 907890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of stupid < 1338612361 412616 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1338612368 664504 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't mean the strategy is simple < 1338612368 912687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1338612371 512252 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the implementation < 1338612375 41599 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is certainly true < 1338612377 310785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all the defence concepts are as simple as attack concepts < 1338612388 803259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that you need complex implementations to be effective in practice -- but the same applies to attack too < 1338612388 907633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't say the strategy is simple < 1338612391 916879 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said the *programs* are < 1338612398 624806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's the parenthical that's wrong then < 1338612402 688377 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338612408 887351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but plenty of defence programs are simple, they're just bad too; same as attack) < 1338612416 860293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of a defensive *strategy* makes defense *programs* complex < 1338612422 144259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1338612442 787593 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone would count shudder-class programs as "defensive" even though that's technically true < 1338612453 866381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would < 1338612455 596016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible to write effective attack programs much more simply than equally effective defense programs < 1338612457 819183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, so does the article < 1338612462 734047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338612464 186890 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1338612474 420397 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying, i took the meaning of the sentence and it makes sense to me :) < 1338612494 292984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still disagree :P < 1338612503 284567 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to! < 1338612661 247931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: leave vff_experimental on the leaderboard, btw < 1338612671 646823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to < 1338612679 641710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beating dreadnought is just too hilarious < 1338612753 556959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only by the smallest of margins that doesn't involve a draw < 1338612935 973912 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that anti-triplock is still causing suicides off the tape... < 1338613139 281617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working around triplocks can be awkward if you haven't had practice < 1338613236 351924 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, especially since I have 13 brackets in a row < 1338613272 632173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried double bracketing the main clear loop, but it hurts the score. < 1338613304 861527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lazy way, which is just to, just after the place in your code where a cell is cleared, put a > then copy your entire attack loop there < 1338613416 42787 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I tried. I'm still working out a better way to do that. < 1338613532 489557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338613532 855791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613559 439007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sing < 1338613559 548105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613563 234292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1338613589 409640 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338613589 642293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613599 609617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ring < 1338613599 722678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613601 531648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1338613604 420617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338613604 602230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613611 811377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hang < 1338613612 224370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613616 91012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338613624 418491 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elng < 1338613624 667997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613625 33386 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@null < 1338613625 772014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell url < 1338613627 664003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ellg < 1338613627 736240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@iong < 1338613627 878425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list < 1338613627 981302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613631 603603 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lolg < 1338613632 76440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613632 510664 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338613642 155536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pynge < 1338613642 323447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613678 114946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bling < 1338613678 557061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613691 270889 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@strin < 1338613691 519709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613692 538705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@string < 1338613692 787279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613702 540208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@boing < 1338613702 760722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: join ping < 1338613728 459750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613728 997712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613730 22071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join ping < 1338613730 946536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ping' < 1338613734 379040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338613746 86130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list-all < 1338613746 266508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1338613747 55960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fliszt < 1338613747 167388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613761 750978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@f.liszt < 1338613762 148493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 280269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@telemarketer < 1338613763 461397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 891173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613764 365719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613765 13169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@papaya < 1338613765 180329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 549383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cadmium < 1338613767 802440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 964942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, got it < 1338613771 448685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613771 953985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613779 795324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@li‌st" < 1338613780 871635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1338613781 18260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1338613787 677068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613787 842511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613797 882557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems lambdabot ignores stray BOMs, but not stray zwnjs < 1338613799 71954 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613799 172744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613815 885966 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/af8efaef/save.php?hash=56c3bf21ce6661a6bc28e93a41a73e7c < 1338613819 662354 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.1 < 1338613829 355050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613829 685616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613836 8621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust HI ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613836 660714 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, better anti-triplock for +3 < 1338613838 678076 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_HI: 10.7 < 1338613891 328966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: draw with skyscraper? < 1338613892 728938 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lol (-)*127 < 1338613895 794512 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for myndzi_lol: 11.0 < 1338613913 885964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi < 1338613914 475536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613920 315657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi myndzi < 1338613922 850403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_myndzi: 7.9 < 1338613930 529725 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seems that way < 1338613949 361409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the losses are counterpoke, omega_turtle, and waterfall3 < 1338613966 41839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidious wasn't likely to stay beating it for long < 1338614012 111374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: lol presumably works better than a nop only against turtles? < 1338614025 575945 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might update juggernaut with this code too... < 1338614031 535456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno :) < 1338614055 670078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be some reason why flag at 1 beats flag at 128 < 1338614065 391729 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1338614076 329173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that ignores or decoys the first nonzero < 1338614083 188972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just overwrites it without noticing maybe < 1338614092 110604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or isn't specifically designed to attack 128 < 1338614099 131579 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a little luck ;) < 1338614131 742258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be zeroing the cell in order to distinguish 1 from 128 < 1338614151 170510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid winning at that point, it'd have to unzero it again the next cycle < 1338614181 367523 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1338614188 954914 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's plenty of-- around < 1338614189 323251 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614195 896283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just curious what would happen < 1338614215 377902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid_vibration >(+-)*-1 < 1338614220 499815 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_stupid_vibration: 6.5 < 1338614228 84575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than a NOP :) < 1338614256 643600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338614283 854805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, challenge: write a program that beats exactly one other program on exactly one length and polarity (and loses to every other program on every length/polarity) < 1338614325 300184 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how about < 1338614343 28921 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, well nah < 1338614348 463577 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna make two programs ;) < 1338614352 108119 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then it's kinda hard < 1338614356 347671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.< vs < lol < 1338614378 675339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one length is easy, but with polarity, not so easy < 1338614408 278245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614409 26734 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338614414 802640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614417 917708 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614448 774749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's actually /beating/ some programs < 1338614454 677831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](<)*1000 < 1338614457 731886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614465 283857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1338614474 19987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614477 267564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614509 152569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>--[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614512 184492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614526 104318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good score < 1338614532 136218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1338614539 154468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats counterpoke on length 12 kettle < 1338614549 839478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no other single-case wins anywhere < 1338614562 838916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :P < 1338614565 736968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't too hard to construct… < 1338614575 505884 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kettle'? < 1338614579 473784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty interesting given that it can't even flag-clear on length 12 kettle < 1338614582 689813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: non-reversed polarity < 1338614585 888388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed is sieve < 1338614588 211499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's names < 1338614590 207140 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok < 1338614607 548089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really reversed! < 1338614613 303273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both as normal as each other < 1338614623 718866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the opposite of what you wrote though < 1338614624 587941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need neutral names, like sieve, and kettle < 1338614628 934871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, kettle is reversed, I think < 1338614637 951062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's "sieve and kettle", "normal and reversed" < 1338614642 266571 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally just call em positive and negative < 1338614642 584957 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614648 461454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative = opposite of < 1338614651 290175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: that's really confusing < 1338614654 769242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works both ways round < 1338614659 93539 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you never took grade 1 math < 1338614671 428414 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1338614674 375994 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean *combinations*? < 1338614678 536699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338614682 287083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps re math < 1338614685 666471 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ v +, - v + < 1338614686 105358 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1338614688 552486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hours.*subtract < 1338614691 624288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698) Dinner? At two? It's four here already. See, UTC+2. You need to add a couple of hours. Or was that subtract? I can never get those straight. < 1338614699 594619 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what grade they taught the negative sign in < 1338614706 292576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was early < 1338614706 705909 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614710 782016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=2f375a1d0bc6000e54ea3e14763f90dd87b5888c&r=ee72388f6d3cd927ddb7762853c3b4275c920ec1&t=12 < 1338614715 961558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (-)*128 is completely irrelevant < 1338614726 38074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it affects the behaviour of some program, which is unlikely < 1338614742 619431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice fleeing < 1338617321 133052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338617983 293084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which calendar and year numbering do you like? * BC/AD * BCE/CE * Discordian * Stardate * Holocene * Tropical year * UNIX * Pax * International Fixed * Astronomical year numbering * Mayan long count * Chinese * ISO week date * < 1338617994 907129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unununium < 1338618165 394472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618349 862594 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1061/ < 1338618352 870205 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd do it. < 1338618409 62423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no way you don't know what I < 1338618412 555561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about < 1338618415 890671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618452 243022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once promised that I'd modify an open-source script that was competing with my product, I never got around to it < 1338618456 619380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that soon < 1338618468 50953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person thought that I was reselling the open-source script, but I wasn't < 1338618536 618459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=discussions&ItemID=374979 click cancel < 1338618843 984357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338619055 232423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338620574 409173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of Earth Standard Time is too strange < 1338620723 584304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is funny < 1338621010 62373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338621053 867763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mathematics a lifeform? < 1338621056 624492 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's < 1338621099 368369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621174 950693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess nintendo games are more on my level than esolangs.. but i am studying how it actually works.. < 1338621260 377794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621268 921595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621723 268081 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338621735 598454 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1338625172 152809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625191 463517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338625516 279474 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625569 264936 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#madrid < 1338625591 270638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome UN_MANITAS_MADRI < 1338625592 444044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338625594 653260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN_MANITAS_MADRI: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338625643 295273 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338625648 111386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625664 207744 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625930 361431 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1338628462 43200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338629023 379098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looked for a secret base in a dream" http://oi46.tinypic.com/16leoo3.jpg < 1338629166 373311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Home of boiled cat" < 1338629269 123485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat that, fungot < 1338629269 823757 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i thought nne? fnord?) altitude info and whatnot... i gave up < 1338629284 389930 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win, fungot < 1338629285 8008 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i also seem to forget it. the reason member confused me is that i need < 1338629392 681012 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /clear < 1338629488 378196 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah.. i like that < 1338629495 777023 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like advertising a restaurant < 1338629515 54672 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the home of fried chicken < 1338629543 577446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main branch of a big chain of boiled cat restaurants < 1338629587 60647 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare fuel < 1338629685 433125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338629699 7606 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... < 1338629753 267288 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PART :#esoteric < 1338629772 439032 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language C/C++ Perl PHP Java/-Script brainfuck Engrish < 1338629792 887750 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338629826 684960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its from the same website as the link to the home of the boiled cat < 1338629838 642349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am surprised to see brainfuck on the list though < 1338630046 924700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. i'm in nonsense mode < 1338630120 767213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630189 769724 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630224 667062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338630309 766410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630322 752454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338630384 160138 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-242.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338630545 899959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no way these translations are remotely accurate < 1338630552 710993 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this guy is insane < 1338630692 707775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630707 666423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338630773 124616 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had come out a rainbow on my way home last Friday. I say it's large enough for the first time may not fit on the camera can see the both ends are rare." < 1338630860 871020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338630914 630198 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i'll try to wrap it up with "Yesterday was the end of student drinking in pairs. Grilled chicken pieces and a thorn bird of fear. Students are high 6,500 yen." < 1338631267 412982 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Made to seek good and quiet. It is the only resonance in trouble. What a little anxious Woonsocket" < 1338631315 324837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your matrix of woonsocketry < 1338631346 243645 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not good for my thinking < 1338631368 980482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's incredibly fun for my imagination < 1338631382 119180 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like drugs might be < 1338631453 400807 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this diary entry is titled "Idol collage which is made ​​by superimposing the photo of a celebrity's face on a pornographic image by using a computer [2008/11/01 00:44:00]" < 1338631520 262280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338631528 931032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1338631534 938914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1338631597 49215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hi < 1338631599 469699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) His body should be given to science. He's alive :P Even so. \ 9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 13) "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom \ 16) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1338631938 405014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice usability failure, they have a contact lens working as a camera and screen, and when it recognizes the face of an assassin he gets a message < 1338631940 180231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on his cell phone < 1338632017 480233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "usability"? not sure, but fail anyway < 1338632025 699410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :misfeature perhaps < 1338632365 880490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that they included simon pegg for comic relief though < 1338633146 206503 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633163 834288 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338633376 350911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: ouch < 1338633410 737488 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch? < 1338633417 786318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see topic < 1338633447 137562 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1338633508 120545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338633513 144959 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usualy read logs before i join the channel, but not today < 1338633706 557996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338633707 522755 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633743 68787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been advancing the state of BF Joust < 1338633760 760813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat has been making programs that beat almost everything, I've been coming up with creative ways not to lose to them < 1338634235 140340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338634440 687019 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a zero sum game, Nash equilibrium? < 1338634496 408182 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to define the problem to be solved < 1338634523 858433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a Nash equilibrium < 1338634620 781764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm far from an expert at Game Theory < 1338634647 631439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: a nash equilibrium is a set of strategies a game, where no single player can get better off by changing their strategy < 1338634652 679903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strategies for a game < 1338634653 556867 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know too < 1338634676 181019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, given that all the other players follow their plan, you should follow yours too < 1338634737 33541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338634742 349653 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but sometime is possible to exists a strategy to win all times, in same cases < 1338634890 631606 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the name of the game, something with 0 and 1, three in a line or more. I remember the one who start first and follow a 'plan' always win < 1338634979 149825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338634992 974307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338635000 376737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338635602 434981 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong but some constraint imposed by bf joust rules like number of cycles 100000, set of input chars, and aditional the lenght of the program could make possible to generate, brute force, a huge number of possible programs( strategies in our case) and select or at least analize them < 1338635687 444756 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will too many combination? < 1338635738 933804 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speculate in fact < 1338635780 920558 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see a interesting 'problem' i always look for a possible solution < 1338636927 996444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first bit of my computer arrived today < 1338637397 725718 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no feeling worse than needing to buy something, but being awake before the store is open. < 1338637633 89824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about waking up after it closes? < 1338637635 967173 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338637749 332148 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338637776 678630 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1338637788 267320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ssue < 1338637791 131632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338637821 787178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338637827 960559 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338637833 247471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You new? < 1338637838 352560 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338637845 532862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two questions: < 1338637849 847159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Hexham? < 1338637856 519288 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637863 691576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Finland? < 1338637867 100611 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637870 500033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338637891 532624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get into esolangs? < 1338637922 212975 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone's introduction < 1338637929 692720 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... in here < 1338638251 500547 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PART :#esoteric < 1338638332 665419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome, anyway < 1338638446 208407 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank u < 1338638510 935115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite esoang? < 1338638544 761476 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1338638587 834593 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338638621 960284 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's made of "Hangul" characters < 1338638627 337393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338638634 881150 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in Korean language, actually < 1338638635 727425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used that one < 1338638677 883303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Piet < 1338638680 338691 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puzzlet.org/personal/wiki.php/%EC%95%84%ED%9D%AC~Specification here you can find more details < 1338638686 840073 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1338638697 804506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html < 1338638824 112854 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1338638862 346430 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are the source code? < 1338638888 164991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code's in image form, indeed < 1338638894 97142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense to lex it as colours < 1338638904 609519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's ceased to be color-related by the time it's parsed) < 1338638935 36020 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338639346 632215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott shaddup < 1338639346 812823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338639507 683329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338641751 396032 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338641783 100511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338641854 749495 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338643241 750561 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643281 706461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643283 168302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338643329 303766 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net PART #esoteric :"Adios" < 1338643821 452988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338644890 197657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so the HIB Psychonauts binary is crashing with a floating point error and I can find no documentation of this anywhere else on the internet. < 1338644890 693165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338647545 140258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably it's dividing by zero < 1338647643 797480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using a number that is not zero < 1338647692 958275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1338647879 194792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338647904 538286 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338648174 624055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so overwite the binary with 0xFF? < 1338648442 30785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you want, sure < 1338648454 933566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was about to download that but it's 4G < 1338648458 464214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait until later, I think < 1338648469 282704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I can better figure out space management and have a more reliable connection < 1338648517 24469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so liberating to have a hard drive that I'm basically never going to have to grub for space on. < 1338648533 369463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I was stuck on the family laptop and there was like 2G of free space. < 1338648662 893594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many games in the Bundle. I did a bit of LIMBO yesterday, and the intro of Bastion today, but haven't gotten to Psychonauts at all. < 1338648725 766311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That floating-point bug happens like right at the start of actual gameplay. < 1338648736 609524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion was good, if short. < 1338648747 378747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortness may come from my superfluous free time, though. < 1338648773 160771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the intro bit, I kinda-sorta suck at it, but that's what I do when it comes to anything at all actiony. < 1338648907 232453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent most of it alternating between mashing space and the mouse buttons with the machete and musket and running away and sniping with the machete's alt-fire thing. < 1338649128 714293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what space does, I've been playing it with a pad. < 1338649257 892338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evade. < 1338649307 424686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does that dodge thing which results in some good old Zelda-style "roll across the map" action. < 1338649329 775410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338649371 459881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338649620 966230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1338649695 330636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're A, B and X, respectively. Well, cross, circle and square physically, but it says "gamepad not detected" unless I enable the X360 controller fakery mode. < 1338650399 739009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Limbo port work well? < 1338650435 524980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just used the Steam versions. < 1338650821 231743 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/caab8d2c/save.php?hash=da1da4f0baff73448dd35a69484e9670 < 1338650824 149372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.4 < 1338651071 643373 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651086 385015 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338651524 88370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651589 548507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338651602 40114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reached Axe Proficiency level 1!
< 1338652141 353610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338652375 848354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... looks like Taneb exercised his Axe Proficiency on his internet connection < 1338652449 128111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338653204 385614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Did you just win? < 1338653233 56535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in first place for around 2 days now. < 1338653258 505951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I tend not to check. < 1338655096 147150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 145029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 217548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338655611 217698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655684 393540 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338655763 839772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338656503 171322 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338658026 327133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338658226 694932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338658411 485787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, some of these functions in Prelude.Generalize are too general to describe easily with my limited describing ability < 1338658720 882281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, well, it could be described as a generalize version of something else, giving some examples of the generalizations < 1338658736 808150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice and count right now < 1338658882 947092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those names are based on Parsec but for any Alternative < 1338658908 757641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the downside of never having used Parsec, heh < 1338658948 800704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type is too restrictive f should be Applicative rather than Alternative; I will fix that in next version. < 1338658954 409228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of very small changes I'd make, mostly using liftM instead of fmap in a couple of places to make the thingy smaller < 1338658964 805808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type restriction? < 1338658977 242021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the constraint < 1338658988 842428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was talking about too < 1338659030 776163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, (<>>=) and (>>==) don't have the Functor requirement < 1338659065 391505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, please put null next to unnull in the export list? < 1338659070 256980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just dislike that Functor is not a superclass of Monad < 1338659075 990380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK, I will move that too < 1338659117 222408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor/Monad problem is a problem, but it's a problem < 1338659124 919192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That made a lot more sense in my head < 1338659148 243528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem that exists, and the problem being fixed won't break anything < 1338659169 915626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved unnull/null in the export list and changed the constraint of count < 1338659301 237449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will upload the changes later today < 1338659493 564454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But show me what you have so far? < 1338659581 617468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just begun changing my style, because I'm indecisive and excessively terse < 1338659699 47555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hang on? < 1338659726 149455 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338659795 672968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: what did you change with that last sub? < 1338659811 774139 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of dreadnought? < 1338659838 652727 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I improved the anti-triplock code, which also made it much faster. < 1338659865 30474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the anti triplock code? < 1338659869 17567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :timer clear? < 1338659881 981041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey david_werecat fix psychonauts for me < 1338659904 220174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coldnt download it Phantom_Hoover < 1338659917 288457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the torrent. < 1338659919 436765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont have enough ram to run it anyway < 1338659921 528533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to use the torrent. < 1338659936 467563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the torrnent kept sayingpermissin denied from thewebseed < 1338659937 144760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even tells you when you click the direct download link, use the torrent. < 1338659938 584907 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-triplock is a dual nested loop that leads into a copy of the clear routine. < 1338659948 225498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why is option called option, rather than, eg., snocA? < 1338659965 638517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1338659975 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldnt download it by either method < 1338659978 689039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do you not have the ram to run a 7-year-old games. < 1338659980 666716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1338659988 523604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbook < 1338659994 840104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only got 1gig < 1338660030 284162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did computers normally have more ram than that in 2005? < 1338660037 269301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember < 1338660049 206258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows version onlyreqires 512mb < 1338660056 427445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all that wasavailable then < 1338660073 190892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your netbook also has a very unreliable spacebar. < 1338660081 430600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac and linux require 2gig < 1338660091 990138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my phonne space bar is teh suck < 1338660096 31608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got wet < 1338660111 817504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys near itdouble tap or dont tap sometimes too < 1338660272 597242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is called option simply because that is its name in Parsec. < 1338661073 798611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Giant_sperm_whale < 1338661086 192999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god I need to capture one of these. < 1338661097 127014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how, I am going to do this. At some point. Maybe. < 1338661806 4088 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338661868 438483 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338662123 780743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662184 352228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662518 761398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662533 859214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338662683 966337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have done that. < 1338662694 140500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a link to the source? < 1338662827 880173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:35:18] Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662829 877346 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:36:19] Taneb [~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662831 863152 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:41:53] zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662833 904040 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42:08] OK < 1338662835 17819 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1338662835 932911 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:44:38] OK, I have done that. < 1338662846 101807 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid KVIrc < 1338662863 918490 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1338662865 716080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude the lines are right above, did you have to paste� oh all right. < 1338663698 50989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338663733 671962 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEllo < 1338663947 673799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have added snocA, it is the same as option. < 1338663951 995409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338664342 722525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSI: < 1338664353 855927 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My god, there are bits in this image! Maybe it's a code?" < 1338664376 365358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so DF now has giant sperm whales. < 1338664388 819647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to regular sperm whales? < 1338664389 55996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eight times the size of a fully-grown dragon. < 1338664399 629996 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH AMBERGRIS < 1338665003 987453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338665031 475428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there are, like, websites for that? < 1338665044 655641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338665050 186604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried < 1338665053 326196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard < 1338665075 79246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whilst conducting a financial transaction with a random stranger over IRC is easy. < 1338665102 863044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a stranger < 1338665110 176341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people in here are cool < 1338665199 525736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am genuinely curious whom you would trust to actually pay significant amounts of money. < 1338665247 553226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins, I heard they're only used by criminals for illegal things. < 1338665353 640852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like for buying drugs and I think assassinations? < 1338665375 729657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly fizzie < 1338665389 647860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't forget pretentious programmers! < 1338665397 850207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to buy an assassin < 1338665411 159845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pretentious programmer assassin. < 1338665424 2537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will sell me BTC for an assassin < 1338665445 201394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can I assassinate? < 1338665445 311543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the transaction does not go through, i send the assassin after you < 1338665455 892366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buttbuttinate. < 1338665459 660679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're going to send an assassin after everyone? < 1338665471 597096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just like that one Neil Gaiman short story! < 1338665546 749230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would trust ais to complete the transaction < 1338665550 82360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gregor < 1338665566 129221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are easily stalked by my assassin < 1338665596 661445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, OK I'm going to try a DF worldgen the same as previously except this time I will set the megabeast count to $ridiculous. < 1338665636 349098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or perhaps even to BTCridiculous? < 1338665656 137562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most ridiculous < 1338665656 210053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :�ridiculous. < 1338665668 348029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced lridiculous.) < 1338665924 783979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see how many cities get covered in ambergris < 1338666060 910493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, fun fact: children born to members of hostile civs in your fort have a 50/50 chance of being on your side from some reason. < 1338666070 679082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1338666093 781423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be exploitable to use elf children as cannon fodder. < 1338666117 416522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAPTURE THE PREGNANT FEMALES! HALF OF THERE OFFSPRING SHALL BE /OURS/" < 1338666138 221570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll even fight with their parents and siblings. < 1338666156 310242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found this out because I was playing Fortress Defence and some of the added civs breed like crazy. < 1338666159 924850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with meaning agaist here, I presume? < 1338666173 441201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338666189 326046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to alongside < 1338666211 939771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I used prisoners for target practice they actually did pretty well when given fire support. < 1338666227 475866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, challenge: make a fortress populated entirely by elves < 1338666230 832905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could clear out the jail given time. < 1338666246 625979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you can't give them orders or anything and ISTR that they don't play nicely with dorfs. < 1338666253 542330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1338666271 862992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't engineer a Cacame, which is a bit sad. < 1338666306 247164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, these days non-dorf migrants are possible, since they don't all grow from spores right outside the boundaries of your embark zone,. < 1338666893 993119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338666984 841417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:59: if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338666984 951820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:12: and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338666984 952025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:20: so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338666985 24366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338666991 745298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems trivial it's not, then < 1338667001 820486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia no < 1338667001 972757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338667028 469147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:03:07: I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338667031 731628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, isn't that lifthrasiir? < 1338667190 784975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:23:23: anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338667199 388596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338667347 904226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338667350 966956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ouch- < 1338667405 12208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse < 1338667458 995958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be the Microsoft Windows 8 team, writing in Visual J# < 1338667961 590458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338667964 681740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/u8fe6/response_to_conduit_bugs/ < 1338668050 982924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 "The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338668053 485621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that guy is a troll < 1338668098 876858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's shitting over that entire thread (ok, the thread is mostly shit to start with) with anti-yesod nonsense to the point that even the writer of the conduit bugs post says he's misinterpreting him < 1338668139 966664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he might have been the person who made that big stink about Yesod on Hacker News a while ago, too (it annoys me that I know this solely because it got on /r/haskell for some godforsaken reason) < 1338668222 929098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:12 processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338668227 125922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is kind of unfair < 1338668240 469019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to do that, just use regular, strict handle IO, the same as you would in any other language < 1338668258 566711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and anyway when you're dealing with something like a socket "loading it all into memory" isn't an option, because it's streaming, so that's not really the problem being solved) < 1338668287 543852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of unfair but kind of fair too < 1338668294 730556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1338668391 740199 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleaving strict handle IO with your logic is a lot more awkward in Haskell than other languages < 1338668417 817182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pushes your code further from nice idiomatic Haskell < 1338668462 827945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the enumeratoritataritaratee drama is relevant to the high level question of "can you do webdev / whatever nicely in idiomatic Haskell" < 1338668469 836647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::kmc: What do you mean by that, exactly? < 1338668481 892782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "interleaving strict handle IO with your logic" mean? < 1338668550 917940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure it's awkward, but it's still possible. < 1338668553 260681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means every piece of code is an IO action and is like "do { computeFoo; x <- readMoreShit; computeBar x }" < 1338668562 273381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's, e.g. less awkward than C because of all the concerns you don't have to worry about. < 1338668566 683811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But more awkward than Python or whatever.) < 1338668585 592016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"better than C for webdev" < 1338668586 336433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, finished that megabeast-infested world. < 1338668589 50628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a high bar you've set elliott < 1338668591 361929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes! < 1338668593 191094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a total shithole, it seems. < 1338668596 484882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's it like? < 1338668599 207328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not as if processing streaming data is all *that* relevant to web dev. < 1338668603 226321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't need file uploads. < 1338668605 598542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1338668617 29482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not trying to be the "Haskell is broken, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS" guy < 1338668620 643700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the most common cause of death seems to be werebeast. < 1338668622 833329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I don't really think the argument is very relevant, but that's mostly because I have a strong position on it :) < 1338668627 907141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think this is pretty important < 1338668632 295029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your strong position < 1338668635 92028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like inner-city Glasgow < 1338668653 2514 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of tasks which are much easier in Haskell than other languages < 1338668657 939807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also some which are much harder < 1338668670 233748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I get the impression that basically everyone's either dead from megabeasts, dead from werebeasts, or a werebeast. < 1338668670 649786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go eat lunch now though < 1338668671 645696 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1338668688 310274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does every piece of code need to be IO action? I find that doesn't need like that at all < 1338668707 969562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ttly"!? < 1338668714 751980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta-ta you later? < 1338668757 64482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some library that's supposed to make Webdev in C++ nice? < 1338668761 573736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it C, I forget) < 1338668779 425821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: PHP is written in C, iirc < 1338668791 851169 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338668794 56181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt < 1338668807 480270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does that count as making it "nice"? < 1338668828 370470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is "interleaving strict handle IO"? < 1338668925 613038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:23 what's your strong position < 1338668970 867734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Tekmo a lot more than Snoyman (although I think both of them approach the argument terribly making it essentially fruitless), but I also don't think Tekmo's solution is all that good :P < 1338668981 119687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disagreeing with everyone is usually the best position. < 1338669002 165347 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1338669004 463428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeing with everyone must mean that you're the only one who's right < 1338669020 895781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1338669033 247743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i disagree with everyone too < 1338669121 797191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'd be stupid < 1338669241 867555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes, but unfortunately it seems you have to agree with either me or Taneb about whether or not you can disagree with everyone < 1338669259 494652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no he doesn't < 1338669266 671646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could take a third option < 1338669305 599390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which third option? < 1338669325 670715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, but it's not stupid" < 1338669476 690003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news from Sweden: "Boy and grandfather seriously injured" < 1338669517 457502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they weren't < 1338669523 484828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least the cannibal drug has disappeared from reporting < 1338669620 138955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it hasn't < 1338669670 282537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am glad you agree < 1338669741 801005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I < 1338669843 296525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written the "dvi-processing" package which use IO and non-IO together and it doesn't need every piece of code to be an IO action like your example code above, and I don't think any program needs to be like that < 1338670162 47546 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338670298 405911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338670479 944695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338671136 685793 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A18D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671542 806573 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671829 723849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1338673581 813908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to write a quick thing in Racket, but I need formatting directives, and it seems like a bit of a pain < 1338674377 495959 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338675390 263885 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675439 957996 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675472 885324 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338675540 494165 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Hybris < 1338675543 707263 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hybris: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338675610 145624 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's what this is. Like brainfuck? < 1338675649 550249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338675676 391135 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675710 436966 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 QUIT :Quit: Well, not for me. Enjoy yourselves. < 1338675845 944785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im enjoying myself < 1338676190 297902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1338676201 112508 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338676231 916400 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676253 319509 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet? < 1338676314 77724 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676878 457028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338676878 978089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676885 235100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338676889 916324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338676890 95333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676898 51047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really should say "dong". < 1338676923 693012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Haha, you said 'dong'." Okay, maybe not.) < 1338677010 431200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338677010 611778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677012 825051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dong < 1338677013 35641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: do docs ping < 1338677095 508857 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@plng < 1338677096 442335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677103 271942 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pmng < 1338677103 894357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677107 182989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a bad thing < 1338677129 87784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally caused my gf to start focusing more on LSL than on Haskell < 1338677133 88835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1ng < 1338677133 278237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677134 691605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 31337. < 1338677143 957516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tink < 1338677144 68411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@91ng < 1338677144 530851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677148 127873 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, dahell < 1338677149 75304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tink < 1338677149 262766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: kind ping time < 1338677151 900986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1338677175 878605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1n6 < 1338677176 157917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677182 469166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hell elliott I'M GIVING YOU HELL < 1338677182 747034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: help tell < 1338677185 996220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1338677191 128224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338677204 73585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. Sadly 91n6 is one typo too many. < 1338677316 655461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@73ll f1zz13 ur s0 1337 h4x0r < 1338677316 796501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338677342 384128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nightmare < 1338677342 562592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338677366 26338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an expiration time for messages, incidentally? < 1338678208 72460 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: via google, is that linden scripting language? < 1338678223 195202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes < 1338679463 951460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338679983 646500 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338680379 662576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Shen is like
< 1338680645 137479 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338680652 495813 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1338680753 714943 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338681619 41966 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A18D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338681752 311512 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682430 814243 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682791 620833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :readFile' = readFile >=> liftA2 seq (length :: String -> Int) return; -- It appears to work?? < 1338682926 728099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338682927 632169 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338682986 607123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338683003 38957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338683011 384157 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338683018 188009 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338683194 676886 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-227.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338683847 846891 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1338684207 56133 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338684237 438146 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338684383 881936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338684585 221536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338684749 586155 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338684754 981732 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using C++11 to write a program, and I'm using the new constructor inheritance feature. The base class is Brainfuck, and the derived class is Brainfuck_X1. Problem is, when I call "using Brainfuck::Brainfuck", my compiler gives me the error "Brainfuck::Brainfuck names constructor". Any tips? < 1338684800 220294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1338685092 106631 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338685122 722083 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338685289 505058 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338685293 293910 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338686554 711783 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@cpe-66-108-84-125.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338687334 458298 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338689362 947240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338689700 469037 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338689731 157532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338690729 358254 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338692812 125807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338694425 116712 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338694428 293838 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338698027 744923 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338698423 69696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... GUI: Grab the User In-the-face < 1338699038 251717 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338700413 193563 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338700725 210749 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338701514 114497 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338701904 231033 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338702767 251730 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338704427 49386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can read this, thank your teachers. < 1338704503 65478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :それを読めば、だれに有難いか。 < 1338704583 501262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can read this, you aren't blind. < 1338704629 387083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338704644 917805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sore wo yomeba, dare in arigatai ka?)[sore wo yomehà, tàre ni arikàtai ka?] (If you can read this, who should you be thankful towards?) < 1338704650 177724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you used a braille terminal or computer speech or whatever) < 1338704651 899141 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338705407 296663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call functions that take 2 inputs? < 1338705425 964272 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338705427 64184 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338705453 578101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary functions? < 1338705528 919311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyadic. < 1338705858 367873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can't find an example of reSigned differing from transInt < 1338706036 321381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should I resent my teachers if I can't read that? < 1338706423 766258 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338706438 691283 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338707163 574663 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338707164 490166 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338707204 519787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:/ < 1338707204 701272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338707208 558952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sorry I may have made a mistake; I put it there for the different ways range errors would happen but I don't know if they would cause the same range error? < 1338707234 666287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is your choice. < 1338707291 603566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you make money? < 1338707329 64645 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transInt (255 :: Word8) :: Int8 == reSigned (255 :: Word8) :: Int8 < 1338707338 44032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== -1 < 1338707360 383316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, so that works. Then there is no reason for both; I may remove reSigned < 1338707363 89472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transInt (-128 :: Int8) :: Word8 == reSigned (-128 :: Int8) :: Word8 == 128 < 1338707390 321374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338707425 721416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I sometimes get money from government and sometimes I do individual job for someone to earn money or barter < 1338707450 282520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you use BTC < 1338707463 260303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does BTC mean? < 1338707471 954436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin < 1338707480 294670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Don't bother reSigned; just use transInt and I will remove reSigned in the next version < 1338707484 56656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338707503 556895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point I need to move all my documentation to the newest version, I'm writing it in 2.0 < 1338707525 501293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I don't use that. < 1338707544 201462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338707547 652165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I will just merge it with whatever changes I make and release that < 1338707568 211212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll move it to 3.1 first < 1338707577 248687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338707578 938513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain what getBits does to me? < 1338707594 157302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, can you explain, to me, what getBits does? < 1338707856 977212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Receive the range of bits by high and low specification. < 1338708055 174030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, breakfast < 1338708062 584336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1338708074 496189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :getBits 3 4 to retrieve low 4 bits, getBits 7 4 to retrieve the next 4 bits after lowest one, etc. < 1338708431 326690 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338708564 436836 :Taneb|Away!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338708568 189027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1338709024 82896 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338709052 841613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will sleep now. Continue to write your question/comment I will review the logs tomorrow. < 1338709058 659745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: OK. I sleep now < 1338709064 38129 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338709779 301790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 skyscraper sits there with the enemy doing a fake triplock for hundreds of cycles. sure that is ample opportunity to guess polarity and put the last decoys in the direction that costs them the most time? < 1338709779 547553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338711858 734006 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338711870 192560 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338712384 287238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338712815 711515 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338712826 987930 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338713490 735678 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338714212 159941 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338714418 130575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338714735 38470 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338714816 823534 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715653 853943 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338715664 312121 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715864 315042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338715891 675916 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338716614 226331 :Alheris!~alheris@82.113.121.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338717448 571413 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338717460 148283 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338718120 866733 :Alheris!~alheris@82.113.121.22 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338718244 874770 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338718304 175027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lali-ho. < 1338718315 130281 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafug < 1338718334 984262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarves say "Lali-ho!". < 1338718585 976719 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff4? < 1338718594 625613 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^_^ < 1338718603 418589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338718612 664724 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338718621 968372 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust someone with a final fantasy id to understand a final fantasy reference! < 1338718683 38409 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has a final fantasy if? < 1338718687 780439 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of chat trivia isn't as fun when nearly all facts can be obtained from google < 1338718690 201613 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1338718708 96968 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google tidus < 1338718709 764791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidus < 1338718709 983343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Tidus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1338718796 862481 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words final fantasy appears four times in the first paragrah on that page! < 1338719407 91408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF4 is what I was thinking of, yes, though I am under the impression it's been at least in one of the earlier games, at least in the Japanese text. And in FF9 they say "Rally-Ho". < 1338719470 995724 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719479 297028 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719479 370349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338719479 370506 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338719484 297016 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338719638 25603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality I'm not very clued in about final fantasy games. < 1338719664 228107 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 100 is the maximum one can know about final fantasy games, I suppose I'm a 3. < 1338719685 339075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1338719692 725842 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. a 0.3 :-s < 1338719726 716615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can measure that by taking the Official Final Fantasy Examination. (Okay, not really.) < 1338719731 767506 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm 0.0001 < 1338719749 755918 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1338719762 567572 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends how accurate my statement is < 1338719791 363297 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately from a certain point of view a human can only have an infinitessimally small knowledge of final fantasy < 1338719803 731042 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like one cannot know everything about chess < 1338719803 896555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square-Enix should arrange some sort of a thing where you go to a room in their offices and take a monitored multiple-choice test. < 1338719866 415356 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, part of the knowledge would be the ability to sit in a room with no information other than whats in your head, and write a complete source code to every final fantasy game ever made < 1338719885 108706 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including all graphics and sounds < 1338719916 815216 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all regions < 1338719960 836834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an officially licensed energy drink called "Final Fantasy Potion" that was released as part of the marketing of FFXII. < 1338719984 312731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "an herb-drink containing such ingredients as royal jelly, propolis extract, elderberry, chamomile, sage, thyme, hyssop, fennel, marjoram, rosemary, basil, Melissa, carbonated water, caffeine, and artificial coloring. The drink had a unique taste; it was very sweet, but at the same time possessed a bitter herbal aftertaste." < 1338720004 65764 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338720014 751254 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338720075 217271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the same is true of every game though (as what I just said) < 1338720087 485145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've also made a FFVII themed version of Potion for that game's 10-year anniversary. < 1338720114 694005 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, a game such as Super Mario Bros.. it would actually be concievable that someone could memorize how to code a replica of that game with complete graphics < 1338720140 416649 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely perfectly though < 1338720159 919141 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. all the bugs wouldn't be there < 1338720161 402484 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was a savant... then god only knows what is possible < 1338720227 857598 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(begins wandering off the topic path...) < 1338720284 314796 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well having said that I understand that with project MKULTRA they studied whether they could hypnotize people into memorizing documents after briefly viewing them, and recalling the contents < 1338720708 690221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB1 rom is I think 256kbit, so about 79000 decimal digits when represented in that base; digits of pi have been memorized approximately that far. (Guinness record 67890 digits, some reports for 100000, and one guy claims 30 million digits, but obviously didn't list them all; they just asked for random sequences, so it might be a bit dubious.) < 1338720732 975948 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1338720742 732984 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm < 1338720798 777852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyway, there might be large amounts of easier-to-remember material in there.) < 1338720859 884513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long time to type it all down, though. < 1338720915 981487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It apparently took the Guinness record holder a bit over 24 hours to recite the 67890 digits. < 1338721045 403858 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this version of smb1 is 40,976 bytes < 1338721077 421524 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how they figure that :P < 1338721104 321811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a bit more than 256kbit, but maybe it's just the format. Anyway, same ballpark. < 1338721127 137249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i should look up a more authoritative source < 1338721305 590953 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. this website says it's a 320-kilobit cartridge < 1338721313 229194 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338721328 318756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338721346 673789 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the game of chat trivia isn't as fun when nearly all facts can be obtained from google" < 1338721365 759098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via google, rather < 1338721390 855592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. Well, then. At least it's not orders of magnitude more. (I couldn't find the size very fast, so gave up.) < 1338721499 601249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one go about calculating the number of decimal digits based on the number of kilobits? < 1338721516 171066 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should solve this myself < 1338721522 270740 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of math work < 1338721555 928801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divide the bits by log_2(10). < 1338721569 667436 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah i was about to say that.. < 1338721667 874929 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently about 96000 < 1338721759 914076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n = 2^(log_2(10)*n/log_2(10)) = (2^log_2(10))^(n/log_2(10)) = 10^(n/log_2(10)) to be explicit about it. < 1338721922 408351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so math is useful for something other than torturing children after all < 1338721952 121910 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-135.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338721980 681725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gameboy Super Mario Land is apparently a 512-kilobit thing, that's kinda funny. It's got less levels and colors and all that. < 1338722009 164941 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's the tidus-fizzie number.. the number of decimal digits required to memorize a complete nintendo game < 1338722056 498263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose, that, it's probably been independantly discovered somewhere out there < 1338722133 23546 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338722205 876428 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE26.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722229 233116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, that Mario wiki doesn't list cartridge size for the non-Super Mario Bros game, or the NES Donkey Kong port. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were smaller. < 1338722234 392708 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rom file seems to contain 327,808 bits < 1338722274 809137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that is the EU version < 1338722398 949207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :327680 is what 320 kibibits is, the leftover 16 bytes coud be just headers. < 1338722428 966750 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1338722559 227218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to IGN's list, Duck Hunt came on a 192 kilobit cartridge. That's less than 60k decimal digits, even the lame Guinness pi guy could do that. < 1338722573 897520 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donkey kong is 196736 bits ya < 1338722588 815770 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so donkey kong and duckhunt same < 1338722643 993217 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(24,592kb * 8) / 1024 = 192.125 kilobit cart < 1338722696 233904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :24592kb? That's quite a lot. < 1338722746 536601 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.. ((24592 * 8)-128) / 1024 = 192 < 1338722753 476733 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty stephen wolfram < 1338722777 704937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722784 960879 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338722787 26833 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338722793 958595 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338722797 269837 :nathan_!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338722810 423354 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when you try a new client without closing your old one < 1338722815 594315 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338722822 691048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a confusing join sequence. < 1338722822 892622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, :( < 1338722826 81734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338722835 690350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now your NAME is KNOWN. < 1338722844 187493 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1338722863 775770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least someone's name. < 1338722865 762552 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING A NAME < 1338722871 624494 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name... was already known by most of the channel? < 1338722884 712527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Also, anyone who runs /whois. :-) < 1338722887 839813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is elliott's, for that matter < 1338722888 286781 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-135.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338722896 269774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gregor's < 1338722897 537051 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. elliott’s real name is Eliot. < 1338722907 93347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeliot < 1338722927 722934 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my name is Scott .. now that it is read it cannot be unread < 1338722946 764993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill eel-liot. < 1338722970 30356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :illiot < 1338722991 3342 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the biggest nes rom putting aside action52 turns out to be a game i have never heard of name Metal Slader Glory < 1338723003 590671 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does sound exciting.. < 1338723027 988752 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i say biggest that is in terms of compressed < 1338723042 639954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "Metal Slander Glory", that sounded even more exciting. < 1338723062 202926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal Libel and Slander Glory. < 1338723068 431884 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is.. 8 megabits! < 1338723122 153692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconceivable. < 1338723145 921861 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god... what could it be.. how could it go under the radar < 1338723191 319280 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's japan only < 1338723201 757082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it has a lot of pictures < 1338723217 677494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of slideshow game < 1338723223 457487 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1338723256 986594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it took so long to develope... < 1338723265 646351 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That when it was released, the SNES was out < 1338723327 856797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone tell me if it is possible to run more than one application from a single terminal at once, and tab between them or something? < 1338723418 758977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maximum manufactured ROM Size < 1338723418 832014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest single NES game that I know of is Dragonquest 4 / Dragon Warrior 4. It has 1 megabyte of program ROM. Also, the Japanese game Metal Slader Glory has 512K of PRG and 512K of CHR ROM, making it also a full megabyte. Several pirate/unlicenced Famicom games are also pretty large. < 1338723424 174407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum manufactured ROM Size < 1338723426 756548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the .NES fileformat deems 16K PRG ROM games as the minimum, there have been some 8K games manufactured, such as Galaxian. Later on, skilled programmers have learned to squeeze better code into even less memory, but nowadays most are probably dead. < 1338723432 339737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From http://nocash.emubase.de/everynes.htm#cartridgeinfo < 1338723495 491040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why not just run screen/some screen-alike? < 1338723525 391515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux or whatnot. < 1338723534 370949 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1338723585 280247 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338723586 295235 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338723620 617421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks < 1338723641 138552 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing if I can survive without a GUI < 1338724182 498682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338724198 882480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone remind me how MOOs do pronouns. (That is, the specific list of words they decompose a pronoun set into.) < 1338724225 399816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338724231 313498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here, I nominate you. < 1338724252 467540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:47: ok my name is Scott .. now that it is read it cannot be unread < 1338724256 541507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Nnnno. It's itidus. < 1338724728 277696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about cow pronouns. < 1338724810 691413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the mutated cow special encounter in Fallout. < 1338725006 196402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what would you call the abstraction of hit points to things other than hits? "Points" is too vague. < 1338725025 610257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, (m,n) where m <= n, m being current ?P and n being maximum ?P.) < 1338725142 564868 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338725154 194164 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338725189 821292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. I don't know. Something about a bound, maybe, since that's what it has, but I don't know. GP for Generic Points. (Not really.) < 1338725234 484342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The exact case here is < 1338725236 413667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MonsterStats = MonsterStats < 1338725236 578637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { monHP :: !Points < 1338725236 651009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , monMP :: !Points < 1338725238 518000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1338725240 563012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1338725807 253456 :Alheris!~alheris@89.204.155.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338725824 602077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Alheris < 1338725827 708936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alheris: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338725875 54420 :Alheris!~alheris@89.204.155.131 PART :#esoteric < 1338725887 284908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1338725934 243616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are good at that. < 1338725957 787302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338726025 776954 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338726038 186545 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338727851 837127 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ps < 1338727863 275424 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1338727904 41539 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MonsterStats = MonsterStats{ monHP :: !P, monMP :: !P } < 1338727960 237648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P being short for Points < 1338728154 367808 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "In games, score refers to an abstract quantity associated with a player or team. Score is usually measured in the abstract unit of points, and events in the game can raise or lower the score of different parties." < 1338728238 229239 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gaming) A unit of scoring in a game or competition. [from 18th c.] < 1338728525 717499 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning "a unit of score in a game" is first recorded 1746. < 1338728670 148526 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338728680 738870 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338728866 581818 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact quote appears to be: < 1338728866 943054 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :���1746 Hoyle Whist (ed. 6) 69 Points. Ten of them make a Game. < 1338728879 965649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338728880 374786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338728949 476851 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah .. this fool didn't do his research very well < 1338729027 428420 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe the research is ok.. however.. < 1338729032 889846 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't explain: < 1338729036 481603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1719 R. Seymour Court Gamester 75 He who reckons most in this Manner [either by greater number of cards, or, in case of equality, of Pips, Ace = 11, Court cards 10 each] is said to win the Point. < 1338729244 543161 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The salient feature of a story, discourse, epigram, joke, etc.; that which gives it application; effective or telling part." ok, just get to the point < 1338730001 530057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338730028 235691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338730692 783292 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-202.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338730883 297837 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338730998 419417 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-202.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338731048 179597 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338731249 81119 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338731783 812487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A pecularity of the inPulse watch is that it has one button. Fortunately, roguelikes are turn-based, so by entering commands in morse code one can gain the advantage of the whole keyboard." < 1338731786 176264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... fortunate. < 1338731959 52975 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1338732252 487253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338732257 241762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338732273 868791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338732282 946185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you want to do without a gui, then just use the console instead of X : < 1338732283 419310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338732286 946950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I don't recommend it) < 1338732304 769212 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is more of a "see if I can" experience < 1338732327 746889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun browsing the web < 1338732331 42105 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case I'm sent back to the 70s and don't want to /completely/ terrify them < 1338732345 443414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're taneb you will terrify them regardless < 1338732382 445538 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it works actually pretty well < 1338732416 947872 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (spoilers: you can. I have been doing it for some 2 weeks for now) < 1338732429 813555 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it AS WE SPEAK < 1338732431 177142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1338732443 638213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so am I < 1338732446 660497 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running the terminal thing that comes with Ubuntu full screen < 1338732452 996450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the GUI behind it < 1338732461 222504 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am not running X at all < 1338732475 214796 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I unistalled Xorg < 1338732492 343038 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I need X (qemu, hv3) I use xfbdev < 1338732543 222710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did mostly-no-X for some amount of years, some amount of years back. < 1338732576 236507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got byobu going, with irssi, Dwarf Fortress, and links2 open < 1338732584 374601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is kinda fun < 1338732588 204417 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338732595 303765 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what webbrowser did you run in console? I use link2 -g and I am trying to get netsurf running < 1338732613 906194 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you use links2 with or without graphics? < 1338732634 765358 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without < 1338732666 289720 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you have framebuffer working in tty*? do you have gpm? < 1338732680 443274 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1338732689 977983 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I don't know what either are < 1338732691 289272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is output when you type links -driver ? < 1338732727 190271 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links is not installed < 1338732730 257016 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using links2 < 1338732746 296073 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 -driver wants a parameter < 1338732766 199186 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how do you run link2? on all systems I have used links2 is started with command links < 1338732778 925490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"links2 google.com"? < 1338732813 915424 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ? is part of that command < 1338732814 171490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I don't remember. It was around the year 2000. I don't think links2 was around, or if it was, not very far. < 1338732824 594907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes or question mark, nortti < 1338732837 226142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 google.com < 1338732854 433992 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I meant my command < 1338732862 434213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(links -driver ?) < 1338732865 995803 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1338732877 768595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrox cards had a very spiffy framebuffer driver. < 1338732889 672112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown graphics driver p < 1338732900 659089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x, fb, directfb and svgalib are supported < 1338732903 602299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a mplayer driver. < 1338732924 166236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you have a file called "p" there? < 1338732934 317240 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the directory? < 1338732949 435947 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338732950 633408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I mean, it sounds like the ? expanded. < 1338732976 826672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good. your links2 has been compiled with framebuffer support. do you have /dev/fb* and chmod them 666 if you do < 1338732986 15733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this is pointless since you are not using the console < 1338733051 882876 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone tells me how to use the console, I'll switch. < 1338733057 898820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+alt+f1 < 1338733063 777096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1338733086 832724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many lines do you have per screen in console? < 1338733243 988747 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also can you see picture if you try mplayer -vo fbdev moviefile < 1338733264 782421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fbdev mode-setting was such a mess back then. 'fbset' was very kludgy. < 1338733288 799482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, mplayer -vo mga was the snazziest thing. < 1338733307 430863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to even have fbset installed. < 1338733350 384532 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use vga=794 as kernel boot argument < 1338733410 360341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fbset let you mess around with timings and so on. < 1338733427 381089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a novelty 666x666 graphics mode in there. < 1338733435 882327 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338733441 60372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather non-square pixels though. < 1338733800 338942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vesafb tended to be real slow when e.g. scrolling, too. I wonder if that's any better nowadays. < 1338733974 709189 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338733987 17066 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338733989 963178 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what distro are you using? < 1338734144 412818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian and Ubuntu, nowadays. Either Slackware or Debian in the no-X days, can't recall which one. < 1338734274 70131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1338734289 112959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Was it an adventure? < 1338734295 287170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1338734324 961314 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no idea on the lines < 1338734367 162054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'resize' command will often tell you that. < 1338734399 602062 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 lines in one of the quadrants < 1338734415 241663 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno for the whole thing < 1338734483 255437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-145-195.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338734484 411706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No for the image < 1338734501 205617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338734503 283732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if it is over 25 it is pretty safe to assume you have working framebuffer of some sort < 1338734508 579092 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try fbset < 1338734530 814792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not installed < 1338734563 95375 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :install it < 1338734602 360023 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed < 1338734613 191858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just cat /proc/fb? (Or whatever it was called.) < 1338734653 461911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, technically that just tells if there is a framebuffer device, not whether the console is bound to it. < 1338734653 711159 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was /proc/fb (mine shows 0 VESA VGA) < 1338734708 324789 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, trying stuff < 1338734721 362014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338734922 572863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338734927 415507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1338735160 107496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 lines, btw < 1338735247 156148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is this in X-land, or the console? < 1338735260 208957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 is a pretty weird number for an actual console. < 1338735285 180143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given reasonable video modes and font heights. < 1338735316 88578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual console, I think < 1338735316 635980 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I need dimensions of you text console you can access with C-A-F1 < 1338735335 571564 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: install gpm < 1338735395 905161 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing < 1338735425 890816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use a MOUSE! Isn't that so 2000s? < 1338735427 939681 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed < 1338735434 752277 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, cool! < 1338735452 913459 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try links2 -g -driver fb < 1338735453 390183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming things work out, that is. < 1338735678 131984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/02/in-light-of-recent-episodes-cdc-makes-statement-that-zombies-dont-actually-exist/ < 1338735701 961302 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338735708 760884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'�I feel like the CDC, they know something is going on,� one woman who disagrees with Kendrick said. �They�re trying to cover it up so nobody will panic.� < 1338735708 843453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She also believes in vampires, and that this is all one big conspiracy.' < 1338735715 510723 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338736030 914934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-80.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338736060 230495 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-145-195.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338736123 643561 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, something to consider is the false sense of authority one might get from reading "the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention � a federal agency � " < 1338736158 891831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, can federal agencies really be trusted? < 1338736212 125248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they can't < 1338736305 294293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338736345 725370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi < 1338736348 551677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1338736394 894907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log hi < 1338736427 404261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736441 576656 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat' > wisdom/hi < 1338736444 92295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736446 366779 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi < 1338736449 384761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat < 1338736491 603090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/hi < 1338736493 833480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338736494 465749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one shall be warned < 1338736506 280628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :waning | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338736519 381534 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338736523 236559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338736543 830129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone name my simultaneous-turn roguelike < 1338736552 597504 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a front-page article, claiming that the CIA had assassinated foreign leaders, and had illegally conducted surveillance on some 7,000 US citizens involved in the antiwar movement (Operation CHAOS). The CIA had also experimented on people, who unknowingly took LSD (among other things). < 1338736566 373096 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :estr? < 1338736601 587183 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nixon and Haldemann ensured that the CIA's #1 and #2 ranking officials, Richard Helms and Vernon Walters, communicated to FBI Director L. Patrick Gray that the FBI should not follow the money trail from the burglars to the Committee to Re-elect the President, as it would uncover CIA informants in Mexico. < 1338736626 269737 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :federal agency! < 1338736626 739223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the CIA also condones making love to goats < 1338736666 404880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll call it quokaa < 1338736667 799705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quokka < 1338736674 410073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack < 1338736674 824475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside: quokka is hard to type < 1338736711 198016 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338736729 411852 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The journal Nature reported in 2005 that 70% of FDA panels writing clinical guidelines on prescription drug usage contained at least one member with financial links to drug companies whose products were covered by those guidelines. < 1338736742 68593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god are you going on about patents again < 1338736745 345659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill me < 1338736753 114074 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. about federal agencies < 1338736787 661114 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIA, FBI, FDA.. i am not sure who else there is to dig up wikipedia dirt on < 1338736829 700029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338738172 243131 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1338738175 626371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738729 297082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1338738732 867897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738734 780111 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE nortti < 1338738738 525341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738840 761779 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE nortti < 1338738844 282309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoRtTi: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1338738867 730235 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME nortti < 1338738870 594675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORTTI: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338739604 843901 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338739720 293269 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338739722 14493 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338740056 271841 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb did links2 work in framebuffer? < 1338740056 437199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338740190 729053 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo foo < 1338740190 896163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo foo"] < 1338740191 30610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :} rest:"foo" < 1338740221 582180 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338740253 774749 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help echo < 1338740254 94192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo . echo irc protocol string < 1338740275 405773 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo foo < 1338740277 915170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1338740293 909041 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo `echo #echo foo < 1338740294 336669 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo #echo foo < 1338740297 299031 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#echo foo < 1338740364 540307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo foo < 1338740364 813366 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo foo < 1338740379 165456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only one that actually has an echo. < 1338740391 234998 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it and oonbotti < 1338740414 229799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that just prints the argument. < 1338740425 778985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Does it echo in here? < 1338740426 55041 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it echo in here? Does it echo in here? < 1338740520 47942 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338740529 118500 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&; }; : < 1338740531 962499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){ :|:&; }; :' < 1338740547 728066 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ a|a& }a < 1338740550 403332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1338740556 183059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ a|a& }; a < 1338740558 938004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338740623 274410 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. HackEgo either solves the halting problem, has detection for fokbombs or just stops commands after some time < 1338740760 559714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has a timeout, though that might get stopped earlier due to other limits for all I know. < 1338740773 188691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do true; done < 1338740790 563582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338740795 919200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waning is a good word < 1338740801 741139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it says anything when it gets bored. < 1338740805 211554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338740815 552237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently just that. < 1338740862 502748 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. I'll just have to find code that solves the halting program somewhere else < 1338740929 637725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, to reinvent the wheel or not to reinvent the wheel < 1338740956 828651 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what wheel? < 1338740967 610541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal display < 1338741005 572893 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1338741055 818046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1338741059 954071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that want to display on terminals < 1338741181 942393 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinvent if you can do better that existing implementations, otherwise don't < 1338741287 853525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I can do better < 1338741291 300714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether I can be bothered < 1338742069 795471 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is a photo of squids off the coast of Japan using their own water farts to leap right out of the water and into open air." < 1338745679 350712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338745704 831654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338745705 471667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338745719 72871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no < 1338745738 265657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know I can survive in a texty mode like that, I will never use it again < 1338745867 24192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to check my tty1, just for funtimes. Didn't know there's a "FATAL: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/.../vesafb.ko): No such device" in there, that's funny. < 1338746600 670738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUTURE ZZO38: what does loeb do? I can't get it to do anything... < 1338746732 198508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exported, though? < 1338746762 814666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH BUT IT IS! < 1338746814 295503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/11/from-l-theorem-to-spreadsheet.html < 1338746935 110089 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338747109 375437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338747171 306553 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1338747184 860122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, elliott < 1338747190 2754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1338747190 299666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was going to be about L-systems. < 1338747194 733309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like L-systems. < 1338747254 973902 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I understand it, though < 1338747257 991488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just link it < 1338747472 180362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1338747476 429833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338747734 861875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: See also http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/12/tying-knots-generically.html < 1338747794 310185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1338747861 839027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338748433 174851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338748691 575178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still don't really know what loeb does, but I know that's my own fault, not the fault of loeb < 1338749134 291430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338749149 444967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1338749190 79867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1338749190 800564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338749194 626612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338749195 259447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 10h 56m 55s ago: skyscraper sits there with the enemy doing a fake triplock for hundreds of cycles. sure that is ample opportunity to guess polarity and put the last decoys in the < 1338749195 423486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :direction that costs them the most time? < 1338749238 968201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't get it, that's how skyscraper works at the moment < 1338749573 304833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I took it from some description somewhere; it can be used for spreadsheet evaluation < 1338749581 533830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, elliott linked it < 1338749719 678769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also change the order of exports if you prefer a different order < 1338750067 593001 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338750190 172215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, I'm just playing with the Curry-Howard correspondance < 1338750197 345998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think what Negation is like < 1338750247 816486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a is (a -> Void) < 1338750249 222643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not could be considered (x -> Zero) if Zero is uninhabited type < 1338750251 800748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Void is the type with no values < 1338750264 824571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338750313 77263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Load the data for one screen. Return its data index, in such a way that Splint can see that it's fully defined (data indexes themselves often < 1338750314 548637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aren't, so the return value is a more specific type than s->index). *mutters something about Curry/Howard* */ < 1338750332 799842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also works if Zero actually represents the number zero, () represents one, -> for exponent, (,) for multiplication, Either for addition, then zero to the power of zero makes one and zero to the power of anything other than zero makes zero < 1338750360 32489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In what program is that? < 1338750380 765133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a platformer engine I'm writing < 1338750395 173476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338750400 32720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to use Splint to prove there are no memory allocation errors in it; sadly, Splint is too buggy to make a good theorem prover < 1338750409 739775 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-80.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338751029 127815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338751031 131780 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751079 10826 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751098 695997 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1338751159 408253 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338751708 122411 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338752030 991305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i just realized that it is what it was doing. i was confused because it was failing to do it in some places where it could have, but i realize now that is just a weakness with the polarity detection, not the strategy < 1338752088 943253 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752190 700463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/TSOU < 1338752200 269731 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338752206 215387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338752206 297855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338752218 936671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure to paste properly? < 1338752231 721457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it < 1338752239 904474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe failure to read properly? < 1338752271 734356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i dunno. it shouldnt be much longer than the one that was already in there < 1338752299 19048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, maybe EgoBot had an internet blip < 1338752315 11388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338752321 584251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched loops somehow < 1338752329 474247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338752338 733122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338752359 394702 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338752379 46652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752385 855046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it has to do with the massive failure my terminal had when i was pasting it in < 1338752398 529310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite loop of visual bells < 1338752411 313371 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338752587 498784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/hCEj < 1338752590 444039 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338752597 874695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fack < 1338752614 295798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched paren, or something? < 1338752627 917267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338752631 434077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1338752644 529428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i locate the character egojsout says it's at < 1338752718 991170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what text editor happily says "oh here's the context around character 36866! < 1338752798 433360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a copy of the old version? < 1338752807 995171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :locally < 1338752827 310118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1338752843 27562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'll be easier to make the changes again than track down the missing character < 1338752843 109937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and I use Emacs, C-u 36866 C-f < 1338752859 837526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb me the original < 1338752889 876705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/93dc3dc7dad9/quintopia_space_elevator.bfjoust < 1338752894 168776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for a pastebin ;) < 1338752903 407190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338752904 109048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg < 1338752906 770356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EgoBot has past versions online too) < 1338752914 102801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that version is too old < 1338752923 908151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need 1_4_9 < 1338752931 766546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, let me see if that's the one I have locally < 1338752940 738257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my computer was off < 1338752967 265653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/idYC < 1338752976 268166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1338753329 338450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/hgZU < 1338753332 310887 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 44.7 < 1338753335 492009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1338753344 166116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a slight improvement < 1338753363 579302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of other things i want to change, but its good to see that < 1338753679 942816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "surviving" in a linux text mode is not hard at all. tell me when you haven't started X for 5 days < 1338753688 807250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER! < 1338753770 566595 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't that hard really. biggest change would be using links2 as your main web browser (that or compiling netsurf with it's dependecy hell) < 1338753784 305978 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338753798 437960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, the biggest challenge would be figuring out how to use emacs/vi/nano/whatever < 1338753851 382196 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode < 1338753896 101517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338753898 464123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1338753902 322290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly easy < 1338753925 131095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338753946 956130 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as easy as using notepad but remeber to use nano -w (or whatever disables word wrap) < 1338753996 33868 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for future terminal use at least learn basics of vi, emacs or ed < 1338754009 16541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1338754033 296424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKitDFB or Dillo on GTK on DirectFB. Though I guess that doesn't really count as "text mode" any more. < 1338754066 71637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit dubious on how well the banking websites would work on links2 or elinks or w3m or whatever. < 1338754076 905013 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well directfb means you cannot use other terminals when that program is running < 1338754102 363320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be just for special occasions. < 1338754148 743942 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also netsurf has better rendering than dillo if I remember correctly. and website rendering in links2 is not really that bad < 1338754196 219252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a hell to get to build even under X and buiding for framebuffer is even harder < 1338754327 291218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you can't figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode <-- nano is unfit for heavy editing, it doesn't obviously do automatic indentation < 1338754338 400071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even just "copy the indentation of the previous line" like gedit < 1338754393 475861 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. I should have said "if you can't *even* figure out nano you don't deserve to say you can survive in textmode" < 1338754396 550041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When on Linux computer I use vi < 1338754429 486841 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use nano myself. I use either ed or sometimes vi < 1338754557 204577 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I would be forced to choose between emacs and nano I would choose nano < 1338755373 498756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO < 1338755383 449978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have just figured out what callCC is on about < 1338755384 648435 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338755384 648548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338755384 648592 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338755384 648633 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338755400 725782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses what its output is going to be used for to find its output < 1338755421 935158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am I wrong?) < 1338755478 539773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomplete, perhaps. < 1338755911 134322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should read my explanation! < 1338755939 909016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9050725/call-cc-implementation or just read http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/12/mother-of-all-monads.html < 1338756020 665370 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I reimplemented `WeLcOmE and properly this time < 1338756031 462719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1338756053 883975 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackev/bin/WeLcOmE < 1338756056 328707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /hackev/bin/WeLcOmE: No such file or directory < 1338756064 991780 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/WeLcOmE < 1338756067 189703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())" < 1338756099 380527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756101 685847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ: not found < 1338756126 228864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I can't believe I wrote all that spiel on continuations. < 1338756130 46723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so long. < 1338756171 939065 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756174 417763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756178 771382 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what did you try to execute? I only see blocks < 1338756184 579725 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756186 565097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE what? < 1338756187 470065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ WELCOME | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/' < 1338756196 715703 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME foo < 1338756199 429337 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1338756200 275087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338756200 275297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhAt?: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1338756204 697139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756207 955262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲＧ／ＷＩＫ < 1338756242 345079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1338756247 616236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last letter is shaved off < 1338756255 133158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just removing all the spaces? I can hardly see them anyway < 1338756292 915817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｙａｙ，　ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ　ｔｅｘｔ． < 1338756297 743169 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what letter? < 1338756302 222071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｍｙ　ｆａｖｏｕｒｉｔｅ． < 1338756309 758174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that Python WeLcOmE is so overcomplicated. < 1338756311 772832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome foo | python -c "print ''.join(c.upper() if i%2==0 else c.lower() for i, c in enumerate(raw_input()))" < 1338756315 393671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FoO: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1338756317 387385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the I of "wiki" < 1338756327 843072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also wrong, since it alternates on non-alphabetical characters. < 1338756339 379110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That omits the "foo: ". < 1338756346 193125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, good point. < 1338756354 727797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME \"$@\" | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756357 292078 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756369 552864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ ais523 < 1338756372 781584 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲＧ／Ｗ < 1338756376 476253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1338756377 145600 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338756379 359045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wE得るCOMEE得る得るiOTTA得ぬDiO得ぬ！ < 1338756388 282650 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "#!/bin/sh\nWELCOME \"\$@\" | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/'\n" >/hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ; chmod 755 /hackenv/bin/ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ < 1338756390 642888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338756400 725181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1338756401 883270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338756405 635767 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ foo < 1338756409 55715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＦＯＯ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．ＯＲ < 1338756519 499467 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://i.imgur.com/NMQKb.png < 1338756557 585378 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok < 1338756598 249077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out our wiki, ESOLANGS.OR.DIE. < 1338757408 730733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, --- AAAAH < 1338757442 623450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, callCC is pretty confusing... but useful? < 1338757502 473876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338757505 141425 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 20.7 < 1338757511 631035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338757582 132424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a bug >.> < 1338757663 556615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're the expert on brainfuck variants < 1338757667 791913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there one with callCC? < 1338757720 541619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, seeing as Brainfuck doesn't have local variables. < 1338757726 848058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338757744 247417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm gonna go now, I've got an early morning to wake up to < 1338757747 464069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-117.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338758051 712223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338758054 244892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 25.7 < 1338758063 268529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicides less :D < 1338758163 132691 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjout perkele [---] < 1338758187 2831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [---] < 1338758189 842258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 14.3 < 1338758197 475484 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [+++] < 1338758197 641477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicides more! < 1338758200 205890 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 14.3 < 1338758213 389527 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [--->+++<] < 1338758216 62264 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.2 < 1338758222 638586 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [--->+<] < 1338758226 290739 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.3 < 1338758245 137342 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*100<[---] < 1338758247 792216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.6 < 1338758254 339946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (-+>+)*-1 < 1338758257 119696 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 0.0 < 1338758265 629686 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*10<[---] < 1338758268 334158 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.8 < 1338758271 379030 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*10<[---] < 1338758274 245229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.8 < 1338758275 986665 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele >(+)*255<[---] < 1338758278 780682 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.9 < 1338758307 222399 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (>(+)*255)*5(<)*5[---] < 1338758309 811657 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 6.5 < 1338758569 822925 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [->+<] < 1338758572 537154 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.9 < 1338758587 618703 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [->+>+<<] < 1338758590 367514 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.6 < 1338758602 649212 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele [-.] < 1338758606 362400 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.9 < 1338758625 464990 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is trying to commit suicide >.< < 1338758730 404209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (--+>+)*-1 < 1338758733 233602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 1.6 < 1338758745 412716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (--+>+<)*-1 < 1338758748 225703 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 13.0 < 1338758761 79913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust spin (-+>+<)*-1 < 1338758765 845074 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_spin: 8.3 < 1338758789 328592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shudder (--+)*-1 < 1338758793 987299 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_shudder: 17.7 < 1338758799 382294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338758843 519386 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust null . < 1338758846 400589 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_null: 9.2 < 1338758906 104362 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that one win? < 1338758935 3076 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you repeat piece of code -1 times? < 1338758999 585840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's by tradition equivalent to the maximum, i think < 1338759025 430954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I know that null at least wins agains quintopia_zoom by having it run off the tape... < 1338759026 325718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tradition _may_ have started out as a bug :P) < 1338759081 921214 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (->+<)*-1 < 1338759084 784670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.0 < 1338759089 190542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (-)*-1 < 1338759092 961826 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759098 154011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+)*-1 < 1338759103 73260 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759116 383379 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+>[-])*-1 < 1338759119 104763 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.2 < 1338759124 654641 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+>[-]<)*-1 < 1338759126 655015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tykje (++)*-1 < 1338759127 367216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.1 < 1338759130 330605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_tykje: 16.8 < 1338759134 474047 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (+++)*-1 < 1338759138 278562 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 16.8 < 1338759150 850040 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting how a row of + or - can get 16.8 < 1338759166 593721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*5(>[>(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338759169 295870 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 14.4 < 1338759172 918120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (-+)*-1 < 1338759175 413676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338759176 696204 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.6 < 1338759184 267272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+)*-1 < 1338759188 125076 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 18.4 < 1338759192 468559 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++)*-1 < 1338759195 204903 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.4 < 1338759203 475539 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+++)*-1 < 1338759206 177857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 13.1 < 1338759211 458775 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++++)*-1 < 1338759214 208576 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 11.2 < 1338759218 695374 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.)*-1 < 1338759221 479297 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 8.2 < 1338759223 277074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+)*-1 < 1338759227 162506 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 17.3 < 1338759241 241718 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+.)*-1 < 1338759245 94508 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.0 < 1338759251 399144 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++.)*-1 < 1338759255 260722 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.2 < 1338759258 625127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*5(>[>(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338759259 573095 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.++.+.)*-1 < 1338759261 358087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 14.2 < 1338759263 206368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 15.0 < 1338759265 758500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't (.+)-1 lose if the opponent does nothing? < 1338759271 519036 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338759290 406409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*9(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338759293 180942 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 25.3 < 1338759293 295890 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust perkele (.+>.+<)*-1 < 1338759296 55242 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nortti_perkele: 12.6 < 1338759379 644765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: it's interesting how zoom beats dreadnought and slowpoke and skyscraper despite not leaving any decoys and skipping some when it finds them < 1338759491 827885 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So zoom assumes the enemy has decoys and tries to get to the flag immediately? < 1338759593 948173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338759596 732771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338759603 704983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes basically < 1338759615 608220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only assumes the enemy has decoys on long tapes < 1338759636 389188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses a new clear i just invented < 1338759663 112620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even against fast rushes (like space_elevator on short tape) it brings down the flag first < 1338759720 564119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still has some bugs tho < 1338759803 552561 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new clear looks like a fast clear merged with an offset clear repeated twice with different polarities. < 1338759934 685713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :look again < 1338759985 823992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a small fast clear, then a big offset clear...but assumes the decoy/flag won't be certain heights < 1338759991 56847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say < 1338760007 711826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clears for a while, speed subtracts for a while, then clears some more, etc. < 1338760032 648385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the closing brackets are very susceptible to triplocks unfortunately, but i don't know how to deal with that < 1338760223 904384 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's one place in the routine that would be a good point to break out of the clear loop, you can use null brackets {} to create copies of the clear routine inside the routine. < 1338760264 306913 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I dealt with it anyway. < 1338760338 888252 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although zoom seems sufficently complex to make that very difficult to do. < 1338760587 539547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*16])*17])*5(>[(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*12])*12])*12 < 1338760590 29520 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 22.2 < 1338760605 74481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1338760612 98694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338760615 50058 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338760845 372651 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338761150 994697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how does that program work? < 1338761176 648614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: read the conversation above. that pretty much covers it. < 1338761183 694477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, it's a similar idea to counterpoke (the longer it takes to engage with the enemy, the more decoys it probably has) < 1338761205 89485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338761235 378983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other innovation is the assumption that decoys are certain sizes: very small or medium height or huge < 1338761252 511762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a legitimate addition to BF Joust technology that will start showing up in more programs (the counterpoke/zoom thing) < 1338761267 156372 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes maybe < 1338761291 442655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow counterpoke has fallen a lot < 1338761337 233163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect it to fall more < 1338761367 502566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are getting good at confusing it? < 1338761378 220178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator already does a better decoy build (and always has). space_elevator's weakness is its clear (still) < 1338761417 894961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect skyscraper to rise i think. that strategy is hard to counter. < 1338761612 533005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy to counter, just clear with alternating polarities :) < 1338761620 369759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprised nobody had thought of that < 1338761648 957486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, i think i did that at one point a long time ago < 1338761668 709521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator used to clear with alternating cycle lengths < 1338761684 900990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double clear is still in there < 1338761706 408451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with alternating polarity clear is that people frequently use alternating decoys < 1338761710 734585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dreadnought < 1338761734 319201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use alternating decoys any more, they're too vulnerable to people detecting the pattern (even though nobody's done that yet; maybe I should) < 1338761737 93117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so half the time you get the *worst* possible set of clears < 1338761764 61230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather partial to the "a block in one direction, a block in the other direction" pattern, which works neatly no matter what the opponent's clear pattern < 1338761774 215888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in space_elevator i made sure i had an equal number of decoys in each direction, but not with a pattern < 1338761857 455743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder... < 1338761971 378238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how did that bug stay in there < 1338761996 651345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338761999 561553 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 23.3 < 1338762009 371078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeeird < 1338762030 403151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338762033 145792 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_zoom: 28.0 < 1338762036 620442 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338762048 674007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you should assume 2 decoys on long tapes < 1338762309 715843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careless_zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*12([-{(-)*30([-{(-)*20[-][+][-]}])%30}])%30}])%6])*17])*17 < 1338762312 475300 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_careless_zoom: 26.9 < 1338762317 345254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad... < 1338762361 174245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careless_zoom (>)*8(>[(-)*15([+{(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30(>[(-)*15(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30])*20])*4(>[>(>[(-)*15([+{(-)*90(.-)*60}])%30])*17])*17 < 1338762364 6917 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_careless_zoom: 0.0 < 1338762370 341518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338762382 521569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338762385 393667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1338762386 362638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1338762907 678661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338762913 441745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see why that won't ever work < 1338763301 943248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust impomatic_lessdumb (>(-)*8>(+)*8)*4(>[+++++[-]])*21 < 1338763304 913594 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_impomatic_lessdumb: 24.5 < 1338763350 961429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338763357 339182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds like 1/2 a point of score < 1338763391 19359 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338763500 505275 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how is careless_zoom showing ties for everything? < 1338763544 430050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: syntax error, probably < 1338764122 346146 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338764365 49138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmatched } after second *60 < 1338765060 735284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338765106 12997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338767748 624034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the Google results for "set fire to the third bar" are really disappointing. < 1338767772 928243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all just corrected to "set the fire to the third bar" and none of them are about serial arsonists. < 1338767830 769595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1338767982 801362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when I fantasise about meeting a girl who shares my passion for burning things I really wish I had a song to go with it, you know? < 1338768029 153749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"burning down the house"? < 1338768098 741552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just doesn't have the romance to it. < 1338768168 771318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Tay Zonday's I'm a hot hot surface baby. I'll get you melting on the carpet like a crispy chicken burger. < 1338768178 58901 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something like that) < 1338768258 849238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...itidus i don't know how chicken works in australia but here it doesn't melt < 1338768352 56740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this is too metaphorical. < 1338768368 611830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to really feel like things are combusting. < 1338768411 650270 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE26.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338768618 892501 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338768673 220299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :waxing | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338769116 33466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this about waxing? < 1338769167 406617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it said waning before < 1338769188 900885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seemed so negative < 1338769756 214903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338770398 883788 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770424 651036 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338770425 725999 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770632 335231 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338770732 873697 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is < 1338770755 450450 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hot hot surface baby - Don't be nervous - I can melt you 'till you're dripping - all over the carpet < 1338770782 118332 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hot hot surface baby - At your service - I can hold you 'til you sizzle - like a juicy chicken burger < 1338770818 717836 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338774588 477477 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338774592 450667 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a thought. < 1338774611 210240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1338774630 551043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cannot tolerate such a thing here. < 1338774635 748841 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do algorithms with O(sin(x))? < 1338774641 119339 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do algorithms with O(sin(x)) complexity exist? < 1338774752 131172 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, even better, O(tan(n)) complexity. < 1338774761 61400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would mean it should use < 1 instructions on some input lengths. < 1338774834 793443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably contrive something not very useful < 1338774843 683394 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still O(sin(n)). < 1338774869 243746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that gets arbitrary close to 0. < 1338774869 946784 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it'll sometimes take negative time. < 1338774879 702347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too :P < 1338774898 570022 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(sin(abs(n)) < 1338774904 443886 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what? < 1338774909 235974 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... Doesn't change that at all, in fact. < 1338774911 750192 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1338774913 931494 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it's assumed n > 0. < 1338774919 220518 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean O(abs(sin(n)) < 1338774928 40091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still gets arbitrary close to 0. < 1338774956 492754 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(sin(n) + 2) < 1338774956 603179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you interpret it as + a constant, then it's the same as O(1). < 1338774987 399037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you did < 1338774995 888993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's = O(1) < 1338775091 496289 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1338775163 488757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(hi pikhq_) < 1338775208 177448 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RThh Remind me again why gzip is more than ~100 lines? < 1338775383 678484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me again why true is more than ~3 lines? < 1338775417 467189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GNU hates all that is good. < 1338775454 973593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thinks "int main(){return 0;}" suggests they have a small e-penis. < 1338775469 499751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){return 0;} < 1338775483 412470 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338775489 14141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not valid C99. < 1338775493 303422 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338776497 106297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Software Foundation tends to make large programs < 1338776554 600833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm cheating somewhat by using zlib. But, then, gzip < 1338776564 780797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably make some of the programs in assembly language/machine codes, still GPL licensed, and have those programs in C as well if you are loading them onto a computer where the program has not yet been written in assembly language for that computer. Some such program might include true/false < 1338776569 538798 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s gzip.c (main and a few util functions) is 600 lines. < 1338776580 943240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *just* main and a few util functions used in main. < 1338776602 877140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that include comments and blank lines? < 1338776614 172465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm just using wc -l < 1338776631 725212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I miscounted. < 1338776643 564623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -l says 1,876 why did I say 600 < 1338776670 613225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU gzip's main is an OOM larger than that. < 1338777134 763509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (unsigned short)1 > -1); < 1338777139 519177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1338777250 212002 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338777416 987955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-112.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338778073 207065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338778214 87476 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For added perverseness: I'm not even using gzip well, and this is faster than gzip at decompression. < 1338778221 543899 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, using zlib well. < 1338779084 415016 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338779342 275295 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Something") < 1338779344 964679 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something < 1338779355 652779 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338780316 317169 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338782412 890540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c FILE* base = fopen("/tmp/newfile","w"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to open file."); return 0; }; fputs("Hello remote filesystem!",base); fflush(base); fclose(base); return 0; < 1338782415 110601 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338782479 61725 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("^echo @echo fungot") < 1338782479 570344 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i've seen others mentioned here, it can be < 1338782481 228483 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^echo @echo fungot < 1338782497 14924 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("@echo fungot") < 1338782497 574478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: 1 for 1 cds) and buy strange old prog rock band < 1338782499 420836 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@echo fungot < 1338782508 838476 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot < 1338782585 662906 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c FILE* base; char data[4095]; base = popen("/bin/ls /tmp/","r"); if(base == NULL) { printf("Failed to run command\n"); return 0; }; while(fgets(data, sizeof(data)-1, base) != NULL) { printf("%s", data); }; pclose(base); return 0; < 1338782588 8262 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to run command < 1338782621 557907 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c system("echo Hello world!"); < 1338782623 904591 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338782789 849804 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust narf -><>[+<[]+<]>+<[<+]><+>[<[>]<]><+[>]+<[>>]>-<>[<->++<>]><-[>+]+ < 1338782792 573790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for itidus20_narf: 5.3 < 1338782955 202718 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust narf -><>+[+<[]+<]>+<+[<+]><+>+[<[>]<]><+[>]+<+[>>]>-<>+[<->++<>]><-[>+]+ < 1338782957 967407 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for itidus20_narf: 6.6 < 1338783008 240499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<>"? < 1338783424 18257 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-133.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338783434 395279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338783522 737222 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338783694 722676 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338784811 74918 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i saw someone link the dwarf fortress book in another channel.. the cellophane house era has begun < 1338784852 914581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog cellophane < 1338784895 362806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338784901 131619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog cellophane < 1338784936 482186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338784965 439667 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win this round HackEgo < 1338785701 179608 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I just froze EgoBot. Sorry in advance. < 1338785782 569602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338785808 301799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338785832 268231 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-144-138.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338785889 57800 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338786244 951843 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338786246 350760 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338786249 325152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338786546 707226 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338787011 740058 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338787011 751049 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338787031 349211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1338845637 534405 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845638 738606 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845640 658250 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1338845641 752624 JOIN :#esoteric > 1338845642 279412 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845643 788769 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338845703 528469 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338845742 77759 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338846213 388735 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338846260 93013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok um < 1338846269 122460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338846270 751866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have missed something in the design of this DR. < 1338846280 180753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have spears? < 1338846280 549795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I used menacing wooden spikes instead of training spears. < 1338846286 869559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... turns out to be the wrong thing to do. < 1338846296 626807 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1338846324 97982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338846326 687927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1338846382 135287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 dorfs dead, 2 of them soldiers. < 1338846509 762481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 more are hospitalised. < 1338848644 796401 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338849185 851909 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338849589 516084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338849695 574946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338849744 498671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338849754 528411 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338849764 294643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338849985 702929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1338849987 328477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338849995 183296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850024 582330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850092 578475 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338850814 939113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the birds' fault http://phys.org/news/2012-06-giant-insects-evolution-birds.html < 1338850818 521912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338850824 4510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a blind LP of NetHack < 1338851072 816654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unspoiled people do not generally win NetHack in less than a few years :P < 1338851082 926468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have to be an awfully long-running LP. < 1338851098 323259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ever win NetHack. :-( < 1338851103 113351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has an unspoiled person ever won? < 1338851106 619040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1338851111 131495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1338851114 132753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a boring game. < 1338851117 691944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, I'm 99% sure they have.) < 1338851120 582059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it is. < 1338851141 155173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crawl > nethack" -- interhack developer < 1338851149 274960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe.) < 1338851208 969011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl has a boring early-game (OK, an incredibly boring early-game) and a fun mid-to-late-game. < 1338851221 73980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 tells me NetHack is more like the opposite of that, so I probably won't play it much more. < 1338851228 385386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except to ascend. I've got to ascend NetHack once before I die. It's a token thing. < 1338851241 112794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never gotten to the Crawl mid-to-late game, so I wouldn't know. < 1338851244 311336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I probably won't play it much more because its early game bores me, that is.) < 1338851247 386686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How far have you gotten? < 1338851247 546655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ascended NetHack atheist wishless, though! < 1338851256 704248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No idea. Not far. < 1338851266 344134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly played it when I was uninterested in thinking or being careful. < 1338851269 342523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you seen the Lair? < 1338851272 586760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338851278 971814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you gotten to the last level of Lair? < 1338851279 131479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got killed by a death yak once. < 1338851285 478328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hydra a few times. < 1338851287 123750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338851293 134946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like, a while ago, man. < 1338851293 672197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:08 No games for elliott (killer=death yak). < 1338851294 797587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338851298 772210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What about the Orcish Mines? < 1338851305 947551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I've been there. < 1338851311 602755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe I shouldn't have gone in so early.) < 1338851321 13034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should do Lair first.) < 1338851328 625956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Shoals, Swamp, Snake Pit, Elven Halls? (Slime Pits?) < 1338851342 365198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swamp -- maybe? < 1338851346 741342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elven Halls -- probably? < 1338851357 811069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, man!!!!! < 1338851360 860419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1338851366 528868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've gone to Elf but haven't gotten a rune? < 1338851377 228456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1338851380 721289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I define Crawl mid-to-late game as "first rune onwards", more or less. < 1338851390 479149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then after the late game is extended. (I've never done extended. :( ) < 1338851394 988193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should ascend NetHack. < 1338851405 77598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Wiz or Val/Sam. < 1338851416 602127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val/Sam has an easy early game, so you could play that. < 1338851416 761353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The furthest I've gotten in NetHack is doing Sokoban in the Mines as a Valkyrie dwarf. < 1338851423 540280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Val/Sam" is like "C/C++".) < 1338851436 260680 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338851437 762352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very boring, except for the part where I angered the Keystone Kops. < 1338851460 264577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack got me out of that situation by having me steal something and then repay the shopkeeper, which calmed the Kops down. < 1338851463 162275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you kill the shopkeeper, the Kops never come. < 1338851465 500315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know NetHack doesn't make much sense? < 1338851492 460033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, < 1338851496 659442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like NetHack. < 1338851498 646873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, $// < 1338851500 631480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338851501 533027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, $/,/ < 1338851510 657515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should play it to the end! < 1338851511 176084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Anyway$/Anyway,/ < 1338851522 466537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the late game in NetHack you become invincible. < 1338851525 827705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Even ais523 said NetHack probably isn't the game for me. < 1338851528 1299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can kill anything by hitting it. < 1338851532 214551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that's boring as hell. < 1338851540 89495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not! < 1338851542 503854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the first time. < 1338851552 627982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play NetHack if they made an analogue of Crawl's sprint mode where it's just the Astral Plane. < 1338851556 599872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe all of the planes.) < 1338851562 81429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The planes are boring. < 1338851567 847937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not the Astral Plane. < 1338851572 530722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Plane of Water is really boring. < 1338851573 32208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane isn't! Or at least it doesn't look boring. < 1338851576 837138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played it, naturally. < 1338851583 377808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta ascend NetHack at least once before you die, man! < 1338851587 134717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 thinks the Astral Plane is the best level, I think. < 1338851598 831494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane is pretty good. < 1338851604 487613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would probably use the Astral Call Bug. < 1338851611 224797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEATER < 1338851611 385190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not. < 1338851628 821703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fixed on the public servers, so I hear, anyway. < 1338851633 340028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And offline play isn't cool. < 1338851642 900869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet you play with terminals bigger than 80x24. < 1338851643 232580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what OTHER patch is applied to public servers? < 1338851643 620739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheater. < 1338851647 241424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yours. < 1338851656 134962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry - I mean - not yours. < 1338851660 76484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one you CO-wrote! < 1338851671 598223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I wrote the actual code in it! < 1338851679 207523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it? < 1338851691 85285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask the other person whose name is on the patch? < 1338851699 908095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you'd believe him. < 1338851709 556440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you're cheater_. < 1338851717 620966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Would *you* trust the guy who made YAML? < 1338851739 130841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. :( < 1338851746 224815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice you haven't responded to the hugeterm allegation. < 1338851757 203144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play on 80x24, thank you very much. < 1338851764 547848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get the point of hugeterm. < 1338851765 949740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I wrote a patch for NetHack < 1338851769 763738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get to see more of the map in Crawl? < 1338851786 413038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, or a bigger message area. < 1338851792 452433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In NetHack you see the entire map on the screen anyway. < 1338851793 713814 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338851796 796983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no message area. < 1338851797 432181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But you can also just make the message area smaller to see all of the map. < 1338851801 786301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should let monqy settle this. < 1338851809 287504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338851809 513411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338851814 320103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338851816 201903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy oh no < 1338851816 409897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338851837 256551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask FireFly hi < 1338851839 20151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338851935 305193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Settle what? < 1338851935 532786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338851946 438125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The dispute. < 1338851950 928920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dispuet < 1338852029 872294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What dispute? < 1338852033 484103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338852034 204948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1338852039 913473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you claim there isn't a dispute? < 1338852044 724193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a dispute for monqy to settle. < 1338852044 883724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Who wrote this patch? http://ben-kiki.org/oren/statuscolors/index.html < 1338852050 667914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I meant hugeterm. < 1338852078 346644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What dispute? < 1338852081 507023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both agreed it's stupid. < 1338852088 234829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338852094 396089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is hugeterm stupid? < 1338852108 796111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also, should elliott ascend at NetHack at least once before he dies. < 1338852112 866464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338852116 842443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1338852171 437065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm is stupid < 1338852180 298164 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care whether elliott ascends nh or not < 1338852198 146579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I ascend Crawl? < 1338852206 605793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338852218 627804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Crawl, the "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs!) < 1338852227 710471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know the way to win Crawl is to run away form things? < 1338852228 431588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1338852248 825450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In NetHack, "ascending" is walking up a bunch of stairs! < 1338852253 241945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the mysterious force. < 1338852259 78634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what that is? :-( < 1338852269 643125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it! I forget what it is. < 1338852275 233051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyway, no, it isn't.) < 1338852278 15392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mysterious. < 1338852278 504741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You ascend to demigodhood.) < 1338852280 308584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the same thing.) < 1338852294 342567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You ascend up the figurative demigodhood stairs.) < 1338852315 683491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know that Debian applies a patch to NetHack that changes the gameplay? < 1338852321 901155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That upsets me. < 1338852324 837115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1338852326 500804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1338852329 673880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 95_enh_engulf_prayers.dpatch patch makes being engulfed a major trouble, so that a successful prayer while engulfed will get you expelled and cause the engulfing monster to flee. < 1338852344 917694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know what the WORST PART OF NETHACK is? < 1338852349 391167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21 < 1338852349 602019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338852350 913785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it? < 1338852355 770985 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.5 < 1338852356 837658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: It's the "wraps itself around you" thing. < 1338852363 724728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote squarelos, "nethack is weird". < 1338852373 916900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wraps/swings/ < 1338852389 324963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The giant eel swings itself around you!" <-- worst part of NetHack < 1338852394 857795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1338852407 754579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instadeath in one turn. < 1338852413 151957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's dumb. < 1338852415 795472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you do one of a few weird things. < 1338852427 138824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like levitate (if you're not levitating) or unlevitate (if you're levitating). < 1338852427 639886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like instadeath effects. < 1338852435 522947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But taking off boots of levitation takes more than one turn! < 1338852446 948161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even starvation.) < 1338852452 762793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also teleport the eel away. Or yourself, unless you're on a no-teleport level! < 1338852456 877347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should just lose HP and MHP a bunch until it's 0 or something.) < 1338852466 394830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic Hit Points? < 1338852470 175497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max HP. < 1338852471 153491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip Points? < 1338852491 216725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowly the things you like become more and more mainstream? < 1338852530 576767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338852537 383051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reddit humour" ":'(" < 1338852559 92945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know there was a time when people on reddit didn't complain about hipsters? < 1338852568 712023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, five years ago. < 1338852577 470638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It wasn't the good old days, though. It was bad in another ways instead) < 1338852587 623129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that bad five years ago! < 1338852600 442715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't *that* bad. But it was still pretty bad. < 1338852605 860181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less bad. < 1338852673 226725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: iv'e never reddit < 1338852681 613314 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy facts, brought to you by monqy < 1338852692 107577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Continue this state. < 1338852708 49555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a pretentous wording. < 1338852710 38790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretentious. < 1338852715 818654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you punch me for saying that? < 1338852719 324346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretentuous. < 1338852722 630724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider yourself puncht < 1338852737 782184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you hate people who say words like < 1338852741 482813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"punch'd" < 1338852742 875001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338852762 190428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puncht" is not "punch'd". < 1338852767 289204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1338852779 131797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about "puncht". < 1338852793 858299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm TALKING ABOUT THE APOSTROPHE. < 1338852805 209424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1338852821 680477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFl'y < 1338852884 687515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[.-](>[(+)*3([-{(-)*15[.+](>[(-)*3([+{(+)*15[-]}])%6])*21}])%6])*21}])%30}])%6](+)*2)*21 < 1338852887 473942 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 30.1 < 1338852893 701767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338853020 536339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338853462 42004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know jkff from #haskell? < 1338853489 325245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338853493 385567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338853493 613942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they new or something? < 1338853501 888071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1338853511 614532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkff is Eugene Kirpichov (as I just discovered). < 1338853768 547709 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338853895 339983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1338853930 765364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the htrace person. OK. So? < 1338854087 614241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nothing. < 1338854089 626534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's htrace? < 1338854106 562403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks fancy. < 1338854240 317362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854243 250656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 35.5 < 1338854282 800802 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338854304 665807 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338854346 609800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<(-)*20>(+)*20>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*15[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854349 392040 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 37.2 < 1338854435 614984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the sequel to 2Pac? < 1338854931 873443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1338854943 454054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*25[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338854946 340254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 43.4 < 1338854949 746579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338854977 259392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now officially my highest scoring program < 1338854987 830560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks myndzi for the 3pass idea) < 1338855044 160719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work? < 1338855061 29791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 3 pass < 1338855061 421548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What I meant by "so" is, why should I know who Eugene Kirpichov is? < 1338855085 191929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it switches the polarity of its clear 3 cells after the first one < 1338855096 50679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a huge offset for later decoys < 1338855113 576662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I asked about jkff, not Eugene Kirpichov. < 1338855130 536008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: ask ais if this is the first program that increases its offset size the more decoys it encounters) < 1338855166 542651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What? < 1338855171 420777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: @ask < 1338855207 921056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 has anyone before written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338855208 143767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338855233 53093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It might help to give more context than that. < 1338855293 178100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 has anyone before quintopia written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338855293 389670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338855297 114655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE < 1338855429 33714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338855445 145553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338855447 926965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338855459 778921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: huger offsets = better :P < 1338855508 479635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now beats all of Deewiant's programs < 1338855536 918997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi (->->->->->++[+>->]-)*100000 < 1338855539 939892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hi: 0.0 < 1338855545 569854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN < 1338855563 653160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone gotten a score of 0.0 before? < 1338855565 189603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK NOT < 1338855611 262048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338855696 15112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shachafislame < < 1338855698 975888 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_shachafislame: 0.0 < 1338855711 49162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*15](+)*2)*21 < 1338855713 903115 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 41.4 < 1338855734 325951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*15([-{[-]}])%30}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338855737 295254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338855739 738935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>+)*40 < 1338855740 201398 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338855748 680671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oh:'( (>+)*40< < 1338855751 624221 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_oh___: 0.0 < 1338855756 638948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know the rules. < 1338855772 757336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338855774 954851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1338855776 607456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1338855784 622825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not like there isnt a BUTTLOAD OF DOCUMENTATION :P < 1338855831 902695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to read. :-( < 1338855842 791563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think what I'm saying is a reponse to something you're saying, you're wrong. < 1338855876 404749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you know how to write < 1338855912 459493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR DO I:'( < 1338855943 854122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell david_werecat Sorry, EgoBot actually uses gearlance.c, not chainlance.c (in the same repository; http://git.zem.fi/chainlance/blob/HEAD:/gearlance.c). < 1338855944 61923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338856233 261759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338856236 61536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 48.5 < 1338856239 828438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338856242 863075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'D < 1338856246 18565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''D < 1338856288 217778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i made it to beat skyscraper and it doesn't even do that anymore :P < 1338856346 713438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :"D < 1338856375 432093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'''D < 1338856380 769855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::`D < 1338856382 159434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,D < 1338856388 415545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::;D < 1338856448 292467 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>---<++<--<++<--<++<--<(+)*20>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8>(-)*8>(+)*8(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338856451 61087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 49.1 < 1338856457 96985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :5D < 1338856459 211065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats skyscraper again ;P < 1338856901 608037 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338856940 942412 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1338858528 367896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I ascend NetHack? < 1338858540 941605 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack sounds boring to ascend < 1338858547 609154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sacrifice the Amulet of Yendor to Anhur. < 1338858553 713022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the Astral Plane.) < 1338858554 424308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1338858555 957470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which one is Anhur? < 1338858564 496271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Chaotic. < 1338858574 33252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which is the one dwarf valkyries start with? < 1338858576 128868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for which class < 1338858576 288561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to be chaotic if you can manage it. < 1338858582 860946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was planning to. < 1338858584 375194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I don't know? < 1338858587 553761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being good is boring. < 1338858589 887029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not chaotic. < 1338858595 680473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it is? I think. < 1338858597 39119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val and Sam can't be chaotic. :-( < 1338858601 827853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Oh. < 1338858607 252189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have to do it sometime in your life. < 1338858613 800578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to < 1338858621 807604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: YOU HAVE TO < 1338858621 966603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why not? < 1338858627 671755 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds so boring < 1338858635 468454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't want to bother < 1338858646 10433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many stupid things i'd have to do < 1338858674 740129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But have you *seen* the Astral Plane? < 1338858679 68527 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338858687 189369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks fun! < 1338858696 56754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a lot of clearing messages < 1338858712 204746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Astral Plane: MAXIMUM FUN < 1338858714 39587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use an interface that has multiple lines of messages. < 1338858735 426022 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the astral plane actually fun < 1338858742 780753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the Astral Plane actually fun? < 1338858751 837810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It *looks* fun, and ais523 says it's the best level of NetHack. < 1338858753 648323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So surely it must be fun. < 1338858761 603669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I've died there. < 1338858771 819237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means there's risk! Which makes it fun. < 1338858777 577193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust ais' roguelike opinions; he likes identification < 1338858788 584972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, he clarified that a bit. < 1338858799 57479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He hates Crawl's identification system.) < 1338858807 826291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NetHack's identification system is admittedly much less degenerate.) < 1338858808 688517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he likes nethack's, no? < 1338858809 417656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :VELOX NEB < 1338858818 800678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still don't like it. But it's much better than Crawl's.) < 1338858826 535134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, IIRC dtsund thinks the same.) < 1338858838 442045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know: If you #name-no a scroll labeled "VELOX NEB" "VELOX NEB", you have a 100% chance of writing it with a magic marker? < 1338858845 544890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, writing the thing it identifies to, if you try. < 1338858851 65167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you don't identify it. < 1338858854 195679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What. < 1338858867 64249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bug. < 1338858872 872414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ais523 -- Interhack supports it, after all. < 1338858876 923097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't understand what you said. < 1338858883 307252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ais523 never developed Interhack AFAIK. < 1338858886 556888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338858889 177268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know about #name-no? < 1338858892 432915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338858893 520898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1338858900 663713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know about #name? < 1338858907 695721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It names objects and stuff. < 1338858927 63644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. If you say "no", it names a type of object, instead of a specific one. < 1338858936 655005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can name "VELOX NEB" "maybe scare monster??" < 1338858943 488754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338858944 909941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like { or \ or whatever it is in Crawl. < 1338858949 957545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338858955 876122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think you mean inscription. < 1338858956 961307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl doesn't have naming a type of object < 1338858961 837219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is neither { nor \. < 1338858963 48779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338858969 86753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Crawl isn't the point here. < 1338858970 326806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ is inscription but < 1338858974 702718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it? < 1338858977 776695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ii. < 1338858980 489429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a ``n00b''. < 1338858984 623510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inscription doesn't apply to a whole type of item < 1338858988 261124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338858994 247099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION , knower of more Crawl keybindings than elliott
< 1338859015 262558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you #name-no a scroll labeled "VELOX NEB" "VELOX NEB", you'd think it wouldn't do anything useful, right? < 1338859022 591126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, how do I get past the point where I suicide before finding the entrance to the Mines or Sokoban because I'm bored as hell? < 1338859028 257952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right. < 1338859034 234818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Go on before answering that.) < 1338859038 395889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could do the mines first. < 1338859045 723347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So let's say VELOX NEB is a scroll of wishing. < 1338859063 36400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you attempt to write "a scroll of wishing" with a magic marker, you'll always succeed! < 1338859076 883127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it thinks you "know" wishing, because you #named-no a scroll of wishing earlier! < 1338859084 388235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: nethack=stupid < 1338859093 973436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's dumb architecture. < 1338859102 647067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, how the hell can I do Mines before finding the entrance to Mines? < 1338859112 418395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines are always on level 2/3/4. < 1338859115 613557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wizard mode < 1338859118 449245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is earlier than Sokoban. < 1338859118 608856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1338859119 773849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*25[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338859121 62312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get bored before then. < 1338859122 552248 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 55.3 < 1338859125 946380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "or", not "and". < 1338859126 446373 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338859135 268442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whoa < 1338859143 210108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I find early Crawl more boring than early NetHack. < 1338859144 850260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd place < 1338859151 346676 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :early crawl is awful too < 1338859160 168984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, you could play pacifist. That's not boring, right? < 1338859165 358882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:19 elliott: I find early Crawl more boring than early NetHack. < 1338859166 268834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1338859169 529492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what early Crawl has? < 1338859170 970553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o and tab. < 1338859177 289180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True! < 1338859182 448179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even with o I find it more boring. < 1338859184 979739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know NetHack 4 has autoexplore. NetHack 4 is not yet playable.) < 1338859187 726811 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds like a bug that ought to be fixed. < 1338859190 819554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because it lasts for so much longer. < 1338859191 998884 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is totally playable < 1338859193 371223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Of course it's a bug. < 1338859195 395801 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you hit o and tab fast enough < 1338859197 815770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tell ais523 about it! < 1338859202 477046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is not, I tried it a while ago; it's insufficiently polished. < 1338859202 637412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll fix it < 1338859206 124785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was talking to ais523 at the time.) < 1338859206 502960 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? < 1338859207 79475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I play DESu. :-( < 1338859212 759112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play desu wow < 1338859213 359127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And OK, but it's a boringness I can stand. < 1338859215 712759 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooooow < 1338859217 883886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't play Su if you don't want to be bored. < 1338859218 782887 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:where in logs? < 1338859224 56208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: /query < 1338859225 143406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good idea. < 1338859226 120038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :desu is just asking to be bored < 1338859230 279316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate DESu. < 1338859236 766309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I don't play Crawl! < 1338859238 922815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "stand", I mean "phase out".) < 1338859247 134391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Play MDFi! < 1338859262 38101 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, shame < 1338859265 533330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joke is that that's physically impossible.) < 1338859272 911860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's MDFi? < 1338859288 902507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain Dwarf Fighter, the most popular combo. The joke is that Mountain Dwarves don't exist any more. < 1338859295 433585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now everyone plays MiFi instead! < 1338859305 256355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DGCK < 1338859307 740711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millipede Fighter? < 1338859308 446810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Most of the complaints were trivial interface stuff ais523 said he'd fix. < 1338859320 928788 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: joke's it's Dg < 1338859330 638555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: See ??syllogism[2]. < 1338859333 161286 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338859335 114791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Minotaur Fighter. < 1338859351 359955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But it also feels weird in a way NetHack doesn't that I can't quite put my finger on. < 1338859356 70830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think there's still some DgBe in sequell too < 1338859356 541552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack feels weird too, after so much Crawl. < 1338859360 889160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DGBe I mean < 1338859368 362165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:22 2. rob the Ducker (L2 DGBe), killed by the fiery rage of Trog on D:1 on 2008-10-05, with 96 points after 840 turns and 0:03:31. < 1338859370 41455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they were back from when Dg was DG < 1338859375 590510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Trog doesn't like Demigods. < 1338859377 411425 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's normal for roguelikes < 1338859385 374711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:23 1. test the Chopper (L1 DGBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an orc (a +0,+0 orcish club) on D:1 on 2008-05-27, with 63 points after 386 turns and 0:07:26. < 1338859386 858772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventful. < 1338859391 102441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*40[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338859393 910213 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.7 < 1338859398 255067 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: going from one to another does feel weird < 1338859403 304800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does DGBe exist? < 1338859407 125607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Anyway, I'd rather play NetHack than NetHack 4, because I have to win NetHack sometime in my life, but I don't have to win NetHack 4 sometime in my life. < 1338859410 272339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1338859417 184590 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I go back to ADOM after NetHAck, I invariably am insufficiently afraid of doors < 1338859417 540882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:23 2. [cv=0.5-a] rob the Ducker (L2 DGBe), killed by the fiery rage of Trog on D:1 on 2008-10-05, with 96 points after 840 turns and 0:03:31. < 1338859428 810251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if I watch you play NetHack? < 1338859439 231242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ??syllogism[2] exists for the same reason, presumably. < 1338859440 257273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also been thoroughly convinced I don't want to play adom < 1338859444 366578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure. Will you offer HELPFUL ADVICE? < 1338859446 369292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "reason"? < 1338859451 830823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [cv=0.5-a] < 1338859452 184776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old version? < 1338859454 216580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1338859455 265733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" < 1338859461 998736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trunk is the reason. < 1338859464 533308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HELPFUL ADVICE: Scrolls of mail actually take a turn to read in NetHack! < 1338859482 535970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:24 One game for * (dg god!=): DGBe < 1338859488 260001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean on IRC. < 1338859507 361667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, what's the best server in Europe? < 1338859510 807867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe? < 1338859511 72454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAO lags a bit too much for me. < 1338859515 471473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real programmers play on NAO. < 1338859521 759969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAO has the best patches! < 1338859526 862366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I played ADOM for five minutes. I don't want to play ADOM any more. < 1338859527 343378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that one patch that... < 1338859528 855717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: NAO lags for me. < 1338859537 883945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That just means you have to think more about your moves. < 1338859541 703066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you die less. < 1338859550 897087 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think you have to ascend nethack, anyway < 1338859553 385198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Tell shachaf why lag matters even in turn-based games. < 1338859556 240074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (NAO lagged for me too when I was on your continent.) < 1338859563 78270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By your continent I mean Asia.) < 1338859568 18239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lag matters even in turn-based games. < 1338859573 351769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asia is indeed my continent. < 1338859578 76793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurasia < 1338859584 150465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eur continent. < 1338859592 804176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Anyway, OK, I'll try NAO. < 1338859598 412399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are Europe and Asia considered different continents? < 1338859600 517272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What char should I play? < 1338859609 589024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Europe isn't a continent. It's just a peninsula. < 1338859611 81243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because "continent" doesn't mean anything. < 1338859617 845982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That depends. You want it to be easy, right? < 1338859621 944814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia#Overview < 1338859627 8609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not necessarily. < 1338859631 922244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I want to have fun, preferably early on. < 1338859638 98893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd also like something not impossible to ascend for a beginner. < 1338859645 852408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, play either Val/Sam for a meleer or Wiz for a magic user. < 1338859646 971779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1338859652 75639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I want to play with the intention of winning, but not be bored out of my skull. < 1338859656 600377 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'twas my first roguelike < 1338859657 139960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I played Val. It was boring. < 1338859661 131816 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's still bloody hard < 1338859663 19546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all boring. < 1338859669 106420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the beginning. < 1338859671 775143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's not helpful. :( < 1338859678 827495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do they get non-boring? < 1338859679 695945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midgame? < 1338859684 268752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1338859692 765244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I might play a wizard. < 1338859697 744899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards can be chaotic! < 1338859697 904703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I've never cast a single spell in NetHack. < 1338859699 922299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good. < 1338859701 669404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How squishy are wizards? < 1338859704 247722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I Learned that "antiquity" is an actual historical period and not just a vague reference to the past < 1338859705 101104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early on, I mean. < 1338859716 129505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the late game wizards can get by pretty well with melee. < 1338859722 888893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early game. < 1338859725 905929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338859728 922283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're not *that* bad. < 1338859736 143078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: reference? < 1338859738 838344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1338859738 997811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They become significantly better if you sacrifice for Magicbane? < 1338859743 430639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is easy. < 1338859745 925535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can NAO be accessed via ssh? < 1338859749 231968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1338859762 393947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia#Overview linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity < 1338859787 705456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I access NAO? < 1338859805 977008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet nethack.alt.org < 1338859807 718881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1338859809 695918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1338859813 215501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRETPASSWORDGOESHERE < 1338859817 232157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1338859818 199910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1338859818 542761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1338859818 831623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1338859819 264293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338859827 511716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I do it. < 1338859839 184848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, there is already an "elliott". < 1338859845 747603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it you < 1338859853 685989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Well, he doesn't have my password. < 1338859856 743396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, haven't I seen you play NetHack before? < 1338859856 902783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's on the high scores list. < 1338859861 671582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see I tried logging on as squarelos and there wasn't a squarelos but then I tried monqy and it worked < 1338859862 483142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...Possibly? < 1338859869 699493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure elliott's played before < 1338859870 414612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was on termcast or something. < 1338859872 101446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh, are you playing too? < 1338859873 188997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a party? < 1338859874 127933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have. < 1338859877 90108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1338859877 942910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People were helping elliott play < 1338859881 220481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: By the way, can I skip Sokoban? < 1338859882 185191 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just here to send you mail < 1338859883 679396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He angered a shopkeeper I think < 1338859887 646324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/plr.php?player=ehird < 1338859890 504826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I angered the Kops. < 1338859890 918012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep. < 1338859895 414838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angering a shopkeeper was part of the escape plan. < 1338859898 493768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a bag of holding in Sokoban, though. < 1338859900 424601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How painful would that be? < 1338859901 691389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I know. < 1338859902 983931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh < 1338859903 497288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not always!) < 1338859907 698262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it's something else.) < 1338859908 962497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.) < 1338859912 435087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amulet of reflection. < 1338859914 837525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reflection i think yes < 1338859915 669549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the bag of holding is better. < 1338859925 599732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you steal from a shopkeeper then pay it back, the Kops will forgive you. < 1338859930 824290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they think they got angry because you stole, see? < 1338859939 901687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're a wizard, and on your first wish you're going to get a blessed greased fixed +n silver dragon scale mail! < 1338859941 368764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since they get angry when you steal, repaying a debt always calms the Kops down. < 1338859945 549452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did the Kops get summoned without angering shopkeeper? < 1338859950 581357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to kill one. < 1338859956 2820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Summoned? They're always present.) < 1338859964 515870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, you can sometimes just pay a shopkeeper off to unanger them. < 1338859969 214184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you stole something. < 1338859969 745047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338859972 535120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1338859978 254779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they get summoned when you steal < 1338859987 6510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, are there loose roaming cops in Minetown? < 1338859987 219698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They were wandering about before I stole. < 1338859990 44575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338859991 485779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can I just use the default options file? < 1338859997 196989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does it have reasonable autopickup settings? < 1338859998 331602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You want to enable OPTIONS=hpmon < 1338860006 627743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because statuscolors sucks? < 1338860012 514494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1338860017 696147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but seriously. < 1338860024 11216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually meant to say statuscolors. But either works.) < 1338860024 645571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I have to use the options file if I want to name my pet, don't I? < 1338860030 89886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860031 619702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can name your pet in-game. < 1338860032 977601 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.8 < 1338860035 390266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1338860047 491523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I'm going to turn off DECgraphics? < 1338860053 25449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! < 1338860063 208495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you turn off DECgraphics, too? < 1338860063 796332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should steal Eidolos's config file. < 1338860066 97929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did. < 1338860067 936761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep. < 1338860077 529059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/s/shachaf/shachaf.nh343rc < 1338860078 387767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I *like* DECgraphics. But it looks weird in my terminal. < 1338860082 760879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the vertical bars don't meet. < 1338860101 941111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your terminal and/or font is bad < 1338860103 32760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does the default configuration file have menucolors? < 1338860105 744514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It is. < 1338860111 272142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so? < 1338860116 443338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *sigh* < 1338860118 408639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :menucolors needs to have regexps explicitly enabled. < 1338860120 320851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just take mine! < 1338860126 497698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean "default" as in "NAO default". < 1338860132 820796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think NAO has a default? < 1338860138 184359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanilla NetHack has no menucolors. < 1338860145 920732 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338860155 887007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Guess what I played a bit of yesterday! < 1338860159 678753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: The answer is Psychonauts. < 1338860168 290466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1338860169 246171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1338860171 192941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, bastard < 1338860173 185908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1338860175 531203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONS=menucolors < 1338860175 931239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" blessed "=green < 1338860176 90567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" holy "=green < 1338860176 975475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" cursed "=red < 1338860177 430889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer < 1338860178 970415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" unholy "=red < 1338860181 133737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUCOLOR=" cursed .* (being worn)"=orange&underline < 1338860181 330405 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychonauts? < 1338860190 60084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Guess "u" "r" "wrong". < 1338860203 76597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you know if you use the curses interface, the message window becomes multiple lines? Also everything becomes ugly? < 1338860209 6743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "me mad :'(" < 1338860213 88851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: worth it < 1338860215 119128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have OPTIONS=hp_monitor. < 1338860216 813943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The problem with Psychonauts is that the early game is boring. < 1338860217 913640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that hpmon? < 1338860224 60657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*50[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860226 893658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 45.1 < 1338860232 207769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860235 62908 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 56.8 < 1338860239 787681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It gets interesting after you finish the annoying levitation place, more or less. < 1338860244 48874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*30[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*45[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860244 358694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does statuscolors not have reasonable defaults? < 1338860246 885416 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 53.8 < 1338860247 276573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fish is a lot of fun. < 1338860253 543215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. It has no defaults. < 1338860259 114841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 3pac >+>->+>->+>->+>(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(-)*15<(+)*15<(-)*20<(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*15>(-)*15>>>>>(>[((-)*3([+{(+)*35[-][+]}])%6>)*3((+)*3([-{(-)*40[+][-]}])%6>)*18](+)*2)*21 < 1338860262 127605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_3pac: 57.7 < 1338860271 140872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know the #name-y artifact bug? < 1338860291 953284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. And I don't want to. < 1338860296 78081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to play NetHack. < 1338860298 65176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to watch? < 1338860300 442824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338860303 245664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the elbereth bug < 1338860307 922111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ~half an hour from now work? < 1338860309 421013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ < 1338860325 126912 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-132-242.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338860341 618816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure. < 1338860353 913305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I don't like Elbereth? < 1338860369 849161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't not use it, because it'd be purposefully hurting my play. < 1338860379 57561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People have ascended Elberethless. < 1338860379 377964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you make a monqy NetHack conduct that involves no Elbereth? < 1338860382 629766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like not casting meph. < 1338860386 787274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, no shit. < 1338860391 609650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just like how in crawl you do labyrithss and cast meph < 1338860394 754463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That goes under the conduct of "illiterate". < 1338860395 655864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elberethless is probably the least impressive conduct anyone has ever ascended with. < 1338860398 553331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also scrolls and spellbooks. < 1338860400 172145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes. < 1338860400 748247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And T-shirts! < 1338860419 914774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about: VEGETARIAN < 1338860424 944640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That conduct is less impressive. < 1338860428 392788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: GENOLESS < 1338860431 504271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: POLYSELFLESS < 1338860443 18255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Autopickup_exception This seems excessive. < 1338860449 482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with "autopickup,pickup_types:$?!/"="? < 1338860450 969122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338860452 237902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{autopickup,pickup_types:$?!/"=}}? < 1338860470 125686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like to autopickup,pickup_types:$ < 1338860486 493412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all you pick up? < 1338860494 718944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I autopickup. < 1338860502 718075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other exceptions like magic lamps, I guess? < 1338860505 360737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that get tedious? < 1338860516 302433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of junk lying around, "d00d". < 1338860560 822420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember when i played nethack i didn't like autopickup because my autopickup autopicked up corpses while i was fighting < 1338860567 595702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you edit your NAO rc online? < 1338860568 685434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like that < 1338860571 30665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This vi-style editor is annoying. < 1338860593 152686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also remember not knowing about elbereth or anything like that < 1338860597 27823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, you can. < 1338860602 419285 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how to start the quest < 1338860604 627635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.org/nethack/EDITMYNETHACKRCORSOMETHING < 1338860616 672115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to start the quest. But I know Elbereth. < 1338860620 465129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you set a macro up for Elbereth? < 1338860621 68827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how to identify items! < 1338860625 619995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Autopickingup all % is probably a bad idea. < 1338860629 853558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can in Interhack! < 1338860636 469492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wow, there's an online editor that uses HTML forms. < 1338860641 268791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a direct editor. < 1338860641 832767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better play interhack < 1338860643 545508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is too fancy. Too fancy. < 1338860644 458832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but don't use that. < 1338860648 827285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay/ < 1338860650 823483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Okay. < 1338860653 893234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why not?) < 1338860654 786774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or do use it. I don't know.) < 1338860666 219645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it support statuscolors? < 1338860671 958220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know there's a NetHack bug where doors sometimes don't open in one try? < 1338860687 562803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it does. But I'm not going to use it. < 1338860694 66177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ever hear the story of the time I died in NetHack because of not speaking English well? < 1338860700 530804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on. < 1338860704 709253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, if you're a wizard: Elbereth becomes *way* better once you get Magicbane. < 1338860714 945249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I noticed that "the door resists!" meant that it was stuck. < 1338860720 320470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I zapped a wand at a shopkeeper. < 1338860727 108939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it said "the shopkeeper resists!" < 1338860735 241350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought the shopkeeper was stuck and walked over to hit him. < 1338860736 147109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338860748 979840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's adorable. < 1338860765 345778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Weren't you kind of dead at that point anyway?) < 1338860769 140116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, what should I call my cat? < 1338860772 207841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1338860773 293766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can I call my cat "monqy"? < 1338860776 708252 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338860779 464895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call your cat "monqy"! < 1338860781 584778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, does zapping at a shk not anger it? < 1338860782 488461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1338860784 881839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to call it monqy. < 1338860787 411100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call it squarelos. < 1338860787 570501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was already angry. < 1338860793 759612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was at the door; I could've escaped. < 1338860799 303108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is calling it squarelos better than calling it monqy? < 1338860800 487528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote squarelos < 1338860809 507821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338860813 711210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's squarelos ")(( < 1338860823 200659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also, sign up as squarelos. I can't receive mail from monqy, it feels odd. < 1338860830 794603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did that < 1338860844 272420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1338860852 497718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I turn on showborn? < 1338860855 63566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn on showbuc? < 1338860867 901969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's those < 1338860880 589364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: showborn doesn't really matter? < 1338860883 853517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1338860886 437150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And showbuc is good. < 1338860895 989903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how [[nethackwiki:Options]] is ridiculously NAO-biased. < 1338860898 540537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp_monitor < 1338860898 722018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obsolete. NAO used to have the HPmon-patch, but uses now Statuscolors. < 1338860909 338857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338860909 538543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's in the "NAO" section. Okay. < 1338860927 510604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The default rc *does* do statuscolors. < 1338860929 339923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For just HP. < 1338860933 382645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn on the other ones? < 1338860937 10822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NAO": "Not Another Option" < 1338860943 418874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want? < 1338860943 580034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also menucolors. < 1338860954 264436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Sort items by name. One of "none", "loot", or "full" < 1338860954 442825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#OPTIONS=sortloot:full < 1338860954 602728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I turn this on? < 1338860961 284447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was once going to implement random-rainbow for Hallu. < 1338860964 308114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I didn't. < 1338860968 546184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, man! < 1338860969 534484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love hallu. < 1338860971 880106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Don't you love hallu? < 1338860978 122481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Crawl doesn't have Hallu! < 1338860983 9416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu < 1338860983 714391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, NetHack > Crawl. < 1338860987 54828 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has hallu < 1338860997 667697 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk hallu is cute but annoying < 1338861019 980157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack calls MP "Pw"? < 1338861025 623718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for power < 1338861046 769511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you played nethack before ? < 1338861054 191372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Not as a spellcaster. < 1338861057 442388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I colour Pw? < 1338861059 936505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny part is that it calls it "energy" elsewhere. < 1338861062 940152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want to? < 1338861066 752628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as important as HP. < 1338861077 792089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Force Bolt costs 5 Pw. < 1338861083 723850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, in Crawl, MP is coloured and all. < 1338861090 500079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because having low MP is bad. (If you're no good at melee.) < 1338861091 302648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, read [[nethackwiki::wizard]] < 1338861094 767858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: I didn't rest up hp or pw because ugh resting, especially resting in nethack < 1338861095 20991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if you're good at melee sometimes!) < 1338861103 487896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably good. I haven't read it but why wouldn't it be? < 1338861109 44180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. I'm relying on your advice. < 1338861126 279148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some people say wizards shouldn't do spellcasting until after the quest. < 1338861134 49947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: play healer and stone to flesh every boulder then choke to death < 1338861138 938366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum yum < 1338861140 330203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wizard quest is the point where spellcasting becomes really good. < 1338861144 566099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I did that too < 1338861145 215131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1338861147 126145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1338861150 311827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But the reason I want to do spellcasting is because melee earlygame is really boring. < 1338861158 412543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. < 1338861163 208330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things i did in nethack: feed half-eaten lichen corpse to pony, make friend < 1338861167 843428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does leaving showborn off cause any irretrievable information loss? < 1338861173 474687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate irretrievable information loss. < 1338861176 552709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. is the info tracked anywhere else) < 1338861183 54376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :') < 1338861188 861780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think showborn only affects post-death information? < 1338861191 913788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sokoban I had about six to seven kittens. < 1338861198 398396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people try and dispose of pets in Sokoban. < 1338861200 564852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accrued more. < 1338861203 817051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. < 1338861210 307037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But is the information on what monsters you killed tracked elsewhere? < 1338861215 436484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, wizards + throwing daggers = mix < 1338861227 852967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wizards + wielding Magicbane (= athame = dagger) = mix < 1338861235 271166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Always pick these: < 1338861235 452082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*magic lamp*" < 1338861235 611297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of wishing*" < 1338861236 896064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of death*" < 1338861238 760482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*wand of polymorph*" < 1338861240 818694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll uncomment these. < 1338861243 308298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The monsters you *killed*? Yes. < 1338861245 408479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I did before I pasted that. That's why they don't have #.) < 1338861246 987335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1338861248 348901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1338861263 258580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS, MAN < 1338861263 957337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who forgot about polypiling < 1338861271 381073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who didn't know about polypiling when he played nethack < 1338861279 690319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1338861284 771370 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who startscummed wizards for rings of polyself then died to system shock < 1338861291 139439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (Is there any reason to autopickup those lamps/wands?) < 1338861297 575312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (I mean, surely I'd know if I stepped on 'em.) < 1338861303 921946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To save you the hassle? < 1338861319 685662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hassle/inconsistent behaviour considering nothing but gold (which is goldified) is picked up/ < 1338861319 963665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="<*gray stone*" < 1338861337 507469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look, add whatever you want to your autopickup list! < 1338861340 142888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK, I think I'm ready. < 1338861345 136909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But don't add gray stone. That would be stupid.) < 1338861354 298571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: curses interface: http://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/9/96/Expanded-status.png < 1338861354 810838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gold goldified in nethack? < 1338861365 9774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1338861371 100738 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you sure that's not hugeterm? < 1338861374 552345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's glodiferd?? < 1338861380 311695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It is. < 1338861382 332920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Unfortunately. < 1338861384 503870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also curses. < 1338861396 475480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Goldified means that the class of items in question is not present in the inventory and takes up no weight. < 1338861398 343733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :karl is a bad person < 1338861416 197445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, in Crawl, gold is goldified (it just adds to your gold count, nothing else), and so are runes (they just get added to the list of runes you've picked up). < 1338861430 359270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gold takes up weight. < 1338861431 337939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Has it been half an hour yet? < 1338861445 78530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Half an hour *after* we finish talking so I can do the thing I need to do. < 1338861451 710281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't say that! < 1338861456 190530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it! < 1338861460 730803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm not going to let you do the thing you need to do. < 1338861464 707104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to watch me instead. < 1338861509 633485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you hear that? < 1338861555 987609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I gotta, like, go home, man. :-( < 1338861563 506547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know your username. < 1338861568 561736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where are you? I bet where you are is great. < 1338861570 320000 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have thought of that before !! < 1338861572 544266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My username is ehird. I haven't started playing yet. < 1338861576 290475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861580 650707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great! < 1338861586 428874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go home in a moment and watch after that. < 1338861600 881030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNLESS: I decide to do something else instead.) < 1338861605 386553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'll watch for a little bit.) < 1338861606 143005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, go home already. < 1338861607 881555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least.) < 1338861609 817885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861612 569922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean now? < 1338861614 733096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that means now. < 1338861616 641636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338861618 554521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means: < 1338861622 122371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later :'( < 1338861630 379340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1338861663 643743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You'll watch me, right? < 1338861671 528318 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338861683 134817 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had nao open ever since you said you'd play < 1338861684 646435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refreshing < 1338861686 618925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruitlessly < 1338861691 938866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338861705 715568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1338861709 332514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-stats.php?player=ehird Wow, I was diverse. < 1338861724 834776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point i accidentally a button that opened rcfile editing and i closed that but for some reason it closed the connection then when i reconnected i made a squarelos account < 1338861731 881794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=ehird < 1338861733 866056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck? < 1338861737 403117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not played this year. < 1338861741 907752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You pressed ^C. < 1338861755 531025 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338861756 764720 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not < 1338861769 139483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338861771 678935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe I have played today. < 1338861774 928913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1338861776 198562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year. < 1338861784 362879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One second. < 1338861790 204642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check by watching the ttyrec. < 1338861825 721658 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember you playing nethack but that may have been nh4 < 1338861829 435663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was NH4. < 1338861831 432176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, I'll play. < 1338861834 862785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you prepared??? < 1338861837 431190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338861872 403563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning - Boolean option specified multiple times: autopickup. < 1338861877 718284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETTER FIX THAT < 1338861883 193149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1338861885 742246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started the game anyway. < 1338861887 6434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me quit that. < 1338861890 263235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are lucky! Full moon tonight. < 1338861908 270829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338861922 913827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you playing < 1338861928 842985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizard. < 1338861931 299946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human, elf, gnome, orc? < 1338861933 830640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know. < 1338861933 990016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaotic elf? < 1338861946 615404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check [[nethackwiki:Wizard]]. < 1338861963 623781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, humans seem to suck, gnomes can't be chaotic, and orcs suck at spells. < 1338861964 346237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1338861965 613397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elf, then. < 1338861989 940576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be lawful and wear opposite alignment < 1338861994 241621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ideas (c) monqy < 1338862002 6742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which gender I should be! < 1338862007 922431 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1338862014 545404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for optimal game play experience < 1338862026 533615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're female you can lay eggs; that's a boon < 1338862033 171442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can males do anything ? < 1338862035 185510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but < 1338862036 90562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any eggs found and carried by male characters have a 50/50 chance of hatching tame. Eggs found and carried by females will never hatch tame. (Eggs laid by you will always hatch tame, regardless of your current gender.) < 1338862050 324051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In NetHack brass, female characters dressed as nurses can apply bandages faster than men." < 1338862060 736621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks brass < 1338862063 18336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just be male. < 1338862068 295606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm BORING. < 1338862071 917153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ehird the Evoker" < 1338862074 589339 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1338862076 330399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR MANGLING MY NAME, NETHACK < 1338862088 517422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command 'y'. < 1338862089 240578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1338862098 278406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONS=number_pad:1 < 1338862100 110340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a terrible default. < 1338862103 776390 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is controlled exlusively by numpad < 1338862112 983302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"get used to it" < 1338862114 593780 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :TenRantStew < 1338862123 405448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm back on. < 1338862126 115523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: when i played nethack, for a while i exlusively used arrowkeys < 1338862130 499855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i learned vikeys < 1338862161 430342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's interface is so weird, ugh. < 1338862173 300600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you cast spells? < 1338862176 175216 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z < 1338862185 537346 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s a captal z < 1338862185 696479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's elvish eyesight like? < 1338862194 80192 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower case z is zap wand < 1338862194 915202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I guessed. < 1338862203 482020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke time! < 1338862206 549133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you autoexplore? < 1338862213 150937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play nh4 < 1338862239 917269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what's dumb? < 1338862244 979386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's secret corridor stuff. < 1338862258 774914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Now would be an excellent time to send me "hi". < 1338862271 821513 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1338862275 438150 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are playing nethack? < 1338862276 352277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1338862285 913624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I've played NetHack before! < 1338862322 373979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did that mail daemon just... reveal terrain for me? < 1338862332 211033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack: so broken < 1338862381 349973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: OK you have to reduce your frequency of mail-sending because NetHack's UI for it is awful. < 1338862385 981880 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338862393 135801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where the heck is the shop? < 1338862402 384628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may or may not be why i'm sending so much mail < 1338862418 757222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack's ui for mail is comically bad < 1338862427 780184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pick it up and read it, right < 1338862437 96685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: A mail daemon runs towards you. < 1338862441 617032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a scroll of mail ends up in your inventory. < 1338862443 605564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to read it. < 1338862446 713965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't just say < 1338862448 346655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone: hi < 1338862449 64566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says < 1338862464 465470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a message on this scroll. The message is from 'someone'.--More-- < 1338862466 815160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads: "hi". < 1338862474 44746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Where's the shop :( < 1338862478 41950 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338862478 471749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot "as you read the scroll it disappears" < 1338862482 722210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Ah, yes. < 1338862483 921547 :TenRantStew!~tswett@171.64.42.221 NICK :tswett < 1338862499 246333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the black spots < 1338862520 493372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A scroll of mail will "activate" an Elbereth square like any other object." < 1338862530 574009 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is best game < 1338862563 23572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: seriously though < 1338862582 700967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Seriously. < 1338862585 35014 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's red!! < 1338862588 482375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338862590 510699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I retreated. < 1338862591 793429 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tjhat's serious < 1338862599 584943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i played nethack i didn't have menucolors < 1338862606 718586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's statuscolors < 1338862609 58327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't notice when i was dying < 1338862610 11295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is menucolors < 1338862614 634596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow each book contains one spell? < 1338862631 398257 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack books tend to do that,y es < 1338862639 227538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a convenient key like 5 < 1338862639 769327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1338862644 488207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100. < 1338862645 794329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: are you watching me; you should watch me! < 1338862665 778491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how can I tell which corpses are ok to eat ;( < 1338862666 497507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338862671 745262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorisation < 1338862674 923293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont eat kobolds < 1338862679 467383 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're bad for you < 1338862681 254852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not on nao < 1338862681 975136 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338862683 60595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1338862684 506786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i am < 1338862685 668951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ehird < 1338862691 230505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1338862698 129660 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you have to memorize or look up 99% of things in nethack < 1338862701 628310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joke < 1338862706 358456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is: x is examine in crawl < 1338862708 883876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "switch weapon" in nethack < 1338862720 749037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is: it takes a turn and leaves you bare-handed if you have no alternate weapon < 1338862721 109839 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it l or v or something < 1338862722 12918 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nethack < 1338862723 469649 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338862724 769509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :; < 1338862727 527500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :farlook is ; < 1338862731 686204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l is go right obviously < 1338862731 866170 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338862734 218223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is version < 1338862736 568200 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to look up all of the keys < 1338862741 444583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i wear the iron skull cap < 1338862745 237034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338862749 301781 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does patashue play net hack < 1338862763 487326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: where is the shop < 1338862766 256564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously!!! < 1338862766 617225 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play it < 1338862809 13711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: WHERE IS THE SHOP < 1338862834 800963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the black spots!! < 1338862836 839397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1338862839 40329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I HAVE :( < 1338862844 259120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them? < 1338862862 492564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to hear another joke? < 1338862865 746500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's ally management system. < 1338862933 622199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: where is shop < 1338863019 968189 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338863025 862279 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338863027 660265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was that one of your funny jokes < 1338863046 231086 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not giving me much to work with!! < 1338863076 572409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls don't make the jokes TOO funny because I am ｒｅａｌｌｙ  ｂａｄ  ａｔ  ＮｅｔＨａｃｋ < 1338863085 686268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus will have no idea if you are serious or not < 1338863099 313592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the fun < 1338863142 602405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You faint from lack of food. You regain consciousness. < 1338863144 961892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You faint from lack of food. You regain consciousness. < 1338863147 10604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You feel tough! You must be leading a healthy life-style. < 1338863183 262976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you attack pets < 1338863187 746568 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try kicking < 1338863201 40431 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338863206 300831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338863207 202453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that < 1338863211 799639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that < 1338863222 17934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it patashu < 1338863224 773176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to play nethack if < 1338863229 849685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people are watching me be really terrible < 1338863232 218911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it play it < 1338863233 828218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if like 10 people were watching m < 1338863234 186829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1338863239 1972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if #nethack ganged up to laugh at me < 1338863241 324329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the fun < 1338863244 316545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: join #nethack to make sure they don't do that < 1338863252 993031 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be in #nethack too < 1338863255 786798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338863257 796161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im play again < 1338863260 841415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im in nethack < 1338863266 473899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1338863267 460889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre very well behaved < 1338863268 153701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fuglia < 1338863276 833996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice guy < 1338863277 12840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don;t believe youre in #nethack < 1338863284 844668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you join and see for yourself < 1338863285 639238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1338863293 949360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that i can check < 1338863305 620672 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddid you ask someone :( < 1338863308 258630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/irc.php hMMMMMMM i see no monqy joins lines < 1338863338 794849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not going in there!!! < 1338863340 512563 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary < 1338863368 125958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember how ghosts are spaces in nethack < 1338863373 208377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1338863375 335007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse < 1338863376 730871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to fix that < 1338863378 213928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: watch < 1338863381 581500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you missed elliott's first game < 1338863385 80092 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was a "blast" < 1338863403 757488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did elliott "explode" in the "blast"????? < 1338863414 236208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploded into a pile of fainted ehird < 1338863423 293132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lack of "food" < 1338863425 146912 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mysterious called him a murderer and he fainted after reading it < 1338863432 388329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I died < 1338863447 364623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they called me a murderer because i kicked my pet so that i could eat it) < 1338863451 583876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think) < 1338863463 529522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-stats.php?player=Fuglia < 1338863465 774523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have only played one game < 1338863468 382631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuXantheres: was it you < 1338863496 962499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Waht are you playing<<> < 1338863497 122322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joke < 1338863499 718260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pets stop travel in nethack < 1338863501 622276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see your "ivnentory" < 1338863508 576094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: male elf wizard < 1338863524 50848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long should i wait to find more corridor/secret doors/etc. before giving up < 1338863524 793810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no \"ivnentory" for you" < 1338863532 873978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not long. < 1338863541 786694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many turns < 1338863544 139456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's inventory < 1338863547 756274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus uncursed wooden harp < 1338863555 960133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg identify!! < 1338863563 513239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1338863566 214141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can elves only start chaotic < 1338863570 662646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know iron is bad for casters, right? < 1338863603 838635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In Crawl only body armour affects that. :( < 1338863663 921413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought you were going to cast spells! < 1338863669 734620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will! < 1338863693 504148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there really no convenient key for resting to recover HP? < 1338863698 17902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from 100. < 1338863698 937903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :500. < 1338863708 715401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :844. < 1338863714 376766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All sorts of numeric prefixes to .! < 1338863723 135304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1338863727 248281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :55. < 1338863727 407296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. < 1338863736 472666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the other room :'( < 1338863738 971179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you coming to visit? < 1338863742 857324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit? < 1338863745 867240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338863761 456430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that visit < 1338863772 495525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, I mean visit me! < 1338863773 219988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I try digging for victory? < 1338863777 526616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1338863779 839463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1338863781 572985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why not? < 1338863784 394230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does thaat work < 1338863785 14404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's boring in the other dimension. < 1338863791 394770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The other dimension"? < 1338863794 162752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not sure ;"9( < 1338863813 172632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you win it's interesting, but you're going to lost right away all the time instead. < 1338863827 912186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds like diving in NetHack. < 1338863829 532378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1338863831 144920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds like diving in Crawl. < 1338863836 978029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except diving is exciting even if you lose. < 1338863837 137995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, my name is eliot, and i'm gonianng to lsots." < 1338863840 816969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338863843 880937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is diving exciting even if you lose in NetHack? < 1338863844 694642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should, then. < 1338863849 296750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1338863849 843427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like diving in crawl if you're bad at diving in crawl < 1338863865 150195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a good way to wait for my pet? :( < 1338863871 101846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, if you get both a pick axe and a musical isntrument, you can try to DfV. < 1338863877 899395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a harp. < 1338863881 230529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Noel.p[e; "9( < 1338863882 154349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apply whistle of come here please < 1338863887 421810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What monqy said. < 1338863890 533590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: On Dlvl:1. < 1338863897 80644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO TO DLVL:2 < 1338863909 383300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This computer program brought to you by: COBOL.) < 1338863914 591929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a mirror and say "squarelos" three times < 1338863915 289905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people just abandon their pets, I think. < 1338863918 777844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's awful. < 1338863921 522451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do. < 1338863922 212401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :D < 1338863925 829306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so annoying! < 1338863935 304167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats' "squarelos" < 1338863936 640683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I love squarelos. < 1338863950 225234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#squarelos, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#monqy < 1338863989 590689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do I get in that doorway now that I've shoved a rock in front of it? < 1338863997 137288 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zap force bolt at the rock < 1338864005 919500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1338864028 864266 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of my ol "make rocks stop being in my way" techs < 1338864035 836520 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is to stone to flesh then eat it < 1338864087 816156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a secret tech? < 1338864091 137106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What about: < 1338864098 256007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zap wnad of stkiring at it < 1338864101 188461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864105 491798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply pick axe at it < 1338864106 731944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864114 51397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take off all your clothes and crawl under it < 1338864122 198247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick it until it shatters under the might of your chops < 1338864126 311858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! < 1338864131 504662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polymorph into a giant and pick it up. < 1338864138 892158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or! Become a xorn and walk through it. < 1338864139 51744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorph into a xorn and eat it < 1338864140 395985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum yum < 1338864146 214645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xorns can't eat rocks! < 1338864147 662958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I also complained to ais523 that the dungeon generation algorithm was awful! < 1338864148 920546 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!! < 1338864151 563427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly monqy. < 1338864161 634255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you hear my ring tech < 1338864172 872235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh the ring, then eat it < 1338864173 657347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Zap stone to flesh on a stone ring, eat it? < 1338864175 906155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338864183 934879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is that your everything tech? < 1338864187 123121 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not new to nh4... < 1338864189 616867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you hear: < 1338864192 89025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, it isn't. < 1338864193 578969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338864194 761693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zap stone to flesh on a stone golem < 1338864197 123328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a rock golem < 1338864197 559181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's still true! < 1338864200 526468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1338864203 471650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flesh golem < 1338864205 276296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flesh golem, surely? < 1338864212 737299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rockflesh golem < 1338864214 106745 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zap cocatrice on flesh golem < 1338864234 597645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hallu < 1338864241 240909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh-oh. < 1338864241 974338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864242 848765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1338864244 23697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott = stoner golem < 1338864244 501955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i hit my own pet < 1338864255 531836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes. < 1338864255 775451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you hear my other ring tech? < 1338864258 623319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR PET = DEAD < 1338864260 67950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1338864265 403218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But at least you didn't kill it. < 1338864267 125892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: zap stone to flesh on stone ring, then wear it on your finger < 1338864268 313724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't get wrath. < 1338864270 548953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes in-game name to kmc
< 1338864274 434785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pray if you haven't prayed recentl. < 1338864293 251689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did you have food? < 1338864299 408533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't have prayed if you had food. < 1338864302 810893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn't. < 1338864302 970382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i actually killed < 1338864304 996911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I didn't < 1338864314 72599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1338864316 643580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these actually < 1338864317 551251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1338864324 534764 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect rocks and polypile into food < 1338864331 537482 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should play healer so you can stone to flesh < 1338864351 437753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: And then eat it? < 1338864351 731637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooah < 1338864354 72831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338864354 416978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338864357 165532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dyign < 1338864358 96924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HP=0 < 1338864359 376203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also heal squarelos by playing a healere < 1338864366 824156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your... < 1338864376 918903 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you should force bolt more before you start to die < 1338864377 78387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Um, close the door and rest? < 1338864377 78554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip giant bat < 1338864382 495577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't eat the bat. < 1338864386 658642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to. < 1338864387 213130 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also note: you can eat corpses before you get hungry < 1338864396 593524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1338864399 471061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get Satiated. < 1338864405 511226 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338864414 90674 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the corpses will go bad and you'll get foodpois < 1338864416 274388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just Create Monster? < 1338864419 819958 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864422 94265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens if you don't eat the corpses < 1338864427 569345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You feel that eating the little dog was a bad idea. < 1338864428 104358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338864436 61261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't eat little dogs. :-"( < 1338864438 531796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why you stone to flesh on rocks < 1338864439 490462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1338864441 263305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: Little cats :(9 < 1338864441 556081 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feed them to dogs < 1338864441 875534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it < 1338864446 591546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was my < 1338864447 28550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed the rocks to the dogs < 1338864447 675438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1338864449 161238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed the dogs rocks < 1338864451 657145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338864452 565328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1338864453 466544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338864453 975091 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338864454 732291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened!!! < 1338864458 533824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i lose piety < 1338864459 431462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1338864462 215257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get penance < 1338864462 750953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1338864463 654579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1338864465 502559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("crawl") < 1338864485 878217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a serious answer!!! < 1338864489 353006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to play if i only get < 1338864490 76476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jokes' < 1338864492 885543 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: jokes': not found < 1338864527 560047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (seriously what happened) < 1338864528 641897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (^) < 1338864534 105199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You now have the "aggravate monster" intrinsic. < 1338864537 482979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER < 1338864547 491356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1338864549 793108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eating dogs is bad for your alignment or something < 1338864551 718613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just check the wiki. < 1338864556 791705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did. < 1338864560 211443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you asked. < 1338864562 780386 :augur!~augur@96.231.203.58 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338864567 677633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Aggravate_monster < 1338864577 799447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you leave no cues whatsoever as to whether your answers are serious or not, making asking you pointless. < 1338864594 475844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338864609 59673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, now you know. < 1338864610 597675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this intrinsic looks annoying. < 1338864614 393260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'll have a stupid death now. < 1338864621 504503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dive for glory < 1338864628 630306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have a digging tool. < 1338864631 375105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat zombe < 1338864647 888337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't eat zombe < 1338864652 815547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat zombe < 1338864659 922061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338864660 812293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombe eaten < 1338864662 621774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's try that again. < 1338864669 33253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I won't eat a dog or a cat. < 1338864709 72692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why does NetHack feel so klunky? < 1338864711 286335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clunky < 1338864744 181460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338864879 437018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Read-iding scrolls is dumb, right? < 1338864928 918313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is meleeing acid blobs. < 1338865049 222112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you enjoying my nethack adventure < 1338865126 573634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1338865133 438946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338865134 704238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what is this < 1338865136 156160 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338865136 817327 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338865162 641909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are shachaf and monqy ignoring me :( < 1338865209 264949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gone < 1338865212 220097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im aback now < 1338865220 791206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the gnms and duarf? < 1338865232 908169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a "force bolt" < 1338865252 385107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant the weird level layout but yeah that too < 1338865263 110411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338865265 226089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiency < 1338865267 677488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force bolt "op" < 1338865288 67255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok to eat corpse < 1338865295 878102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok to wear hooded cloak & do i want to < 1338865313 189744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338865322 37961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so / i think so < 1338865328 113962 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ i think so < 1338865343 903769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who knows nethack!!! < 1338865360 126278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard shoes are iron < 1338865360 667922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338865366 782610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know enough nethack to make funny jokes and give mediocre earlygame advice < 1338865372 906729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooded is dwarvish < 1338865385 950396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1338865387 439476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i didn't even know those things < 1338865388 662637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already wearing a cloak < 1338865397 381954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see green * < 1338865398 284100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1338865402 479097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaAAAHHHH giant spore < 1338865414 711517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things that i know about nethacjk: negative ac is good ac < 1338865415 15453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUARELOS < 1338865415 206811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1338865420 214593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did squarelos do < 1338865431 797996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought a hwarf < 1338865434 213744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why you should be a healer < 1338865435 408495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1338865436 389182 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heal squaelos < 1338865438 164288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like qwarf < 1338865439 789954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, THAC0 < 1338865443 495107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for nethack < 1338865449 151246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you laughing < 1338865451 971159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338865456 345376 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mess < 1338865458 124924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1338865459 568187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338865460 651465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mess < 1338865469 417806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a better level layout than most levels < 1338865489 343509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the mines or something!!!! < 1338865494 245517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1338865496 431382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so many Gnomes and hwarfs < 1338865515 384305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt see you enter the level, but i do know the mines have that laoutt, and Gnomes, and huarfs < 1338865517 861783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1338865518 942458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typed < 1338865520 383067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :520. < 1338865521 186076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mistake < 1338865522 296785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1338865524 320237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 for rest < 1338865541 811835 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat corps (jokes' it'll foood poison you) < 1338865547 100673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's gone anyway < 1338865548 77812 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip corps < 1338865560 222435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is use-iding amulets bad < 1338865564 923597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangulation < 1338865577 871999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps im gone again i'll be back soon < 1338865931 990755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you back < 1338865998 698640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find dungeon feature '>'. < 1338865999 785213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1338866002 927106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ??? < 1338866013 587597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im back now < 1338866020 749439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were downstairs before < 1338866036 561506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they get covert up < 1338866067 3605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338866067 906977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1338866080 728091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1338866081 817597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the mines < 1338866083 439902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338866086 876134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i won't enter the mines immediately < 1338866088 685193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you ready for me to < 1338866089 770708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`play again' < 1338866092 758728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: play: not found < 1338866093 584321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually < 1338866094 357670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye' < 1338866095 35421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a bit of fun! < 1338866097 55396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a nethack first for me < 1338866133 3445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im paly < 1338866189 220428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imagine playing nethack without colours or travel < 1338866223 951906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip squarelos < 1338866227 61751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"missed but not too much' < 1338866228 141206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1338866266 293790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip squarelos < 1338866270 446543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"missed but not too much" < 1338866309 326417 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine playing nethack < 1338866323 623636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nethack isn't too bad c'mon!!! < 1338866328 48880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just silly < 1338866329 715388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very silly < 1338866338 111927 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338866421 647466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look at berry's game < 1338866423 276663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he DOING??? < 1338866441 193200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nao or what < 1338866443 337842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338866475 417860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE ARE THE DOWNSTAIRS ???? < 1338866482 830482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were here a moment ago < 1338866491 735144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338866492 964280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went down them < 1338866499 477625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait now < 1338866500 567998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1338866538 713933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow berry's more message is in < 1338866539 255204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1338866543 584686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1338866597 495655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was away. < 1338866602 441672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now yuo're not < 1338866605 331645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died in mines! < 1338866609 541160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise it was mines though < 1338866616 38433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected it might be < 1338866619 566357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't realise i;d entered mines < 1338866620 208760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read-iding scorolls is dumb "( < 1338866624 160400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338866627 418747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you id scrolls then! < 1338866629 582163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1338866630 308802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget < 1338866633 394375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You id scrolls with < 1338866634 194373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1338866635 61847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls < 1338866638 909517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shope < 1338866639 269261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARADOX < 1338866640 507833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you id id scrolls!!!! < 1338866645 541070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: id id id scrolls < 1338866650 524445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help - me < 1338866652 94402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, you do it with a shop.) < 1338866655 595408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or with statistics! < 1338866662 25343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ID is the most common type of scroll. < 1338866687 896552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i want a looking glass < 1338866790 818153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not wear unidentified magic boots without curse-testing them first. < 1338866791 720682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh00ps < 1338866831 875578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya goo"00"fed < 1338866845 163245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goo00fed < 1338866848 416125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i tell whether staircase goes to mines < 1338866851 343525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i < 1338866882 211615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knights can identify all weapons and non-magical armor from the beginning. They also have a special intrinsic ability to #jump like the knight piece in chess. < 1338866882 421869 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is berry ooze farming < 1338866894 748992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this is like ??implemented bad ideas < 1338866899 665654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the second sentence, I mean) < 1338866917 412154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i watched Wooble do what appeared to be pudding farming on the planes once < 1338866931 741992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do curse-testing on altars. < 1338866933 634977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sacrifice or something < 1338866937 428191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah i know but < 1338866940 137371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :staircase question is more important < 1338866945 92320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question? < 1338866953 128759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:27 how do i tell whether staircase goes to mines < 1338866959 589912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try both of them. < 1338866968 141282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that has the mines on the other end < 1338866968 311494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this mines < 1338866969 977412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes to < 1338866971 813988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines. < 1338866973 936479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not mines. < 1338866976 635578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a room. < 1338866978 109992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey - me < 1338866985 556642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good to do some more dlvls before mines i don't know what the < 1338866987 909527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"accepted wisdom" < 1338866988 267484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1338866996 892395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only ever did mines as a gnome < 1338866997 74195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338866998 922972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were kind of boring < 1338866999 598221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a good idea to always go down-and-right-back-up when you see a staircase, so that you know where it is on the level. < 1338867004 181859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you need to find it from < 1338867006 354339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the other side" < 1338867020 633516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mines-first or Sokoban-first are both accepted wisdom. < 1338867020 793072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crawl wisdom too but it's boring so i don't do it < 1338867042 31778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, assuming I do Mines first, do I go into Mines as soon as I find the entrance? < 1338867047 73973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, accepted wisdom is not to go past minetown. < 1338867048 858650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I level up a bit in the dungeon first? < 1338867052 518431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are nasty things down there. < 1338867057 226997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Either way. < 1338867059 536530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, I think. < 1338867067 474369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mines are OK for leveling pre-post-minetown. < 1338867093 623742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A blessed potion of see invisible shatters!--More-- < 1338867095 249350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wh00ps" < 1338867101 810521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force_bolt_on_monkey_unreasons < 1338867110 947976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i avoid being hungry all the time < 1338867114 565083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont answer eating ill kill you < 1338867147 332498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is reading unid'd spellbooks ok) < 1338867185 876157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1338867188 456670 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might teleport and paralyze you < 1338867190 39669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time < 1338867216 950696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: query of seriousness level!!! < 1338867224 991118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im serious < 1338867235 794551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes if i had no other escape options i'd use a spellbook < 1338867237 502478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im lame" < 1338867248 682657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn';t know about elbereth < 1338867252 335480 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spellbook is cooler anyway < 1338867253 675037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I _think_ it's safe if you're a wizard, it will warn you if it's too difficult < 1338867272 922696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Boots does "2 AC" mean "-2 AC" < 1338867283 44945 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try them on < 1338867283 988178 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see < 1338867291 884703 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im gone oops < 1338867295 939747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will be back" < 1338867335 555694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does mean -2 AC < 1338867368 861113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are laden with moisture and can barely breathe! < 1338867369 970776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338867386 35463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite messages like "You are laden with moisture and can barely breathe", they are not very dangerous because of their low speed. < 1338867386 614178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338867404 857341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AD&D-style AC is ludicrously confusing like that, and unfortunately Nethack was inspired by AD&D mechanics. < 1338867420 902903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should watch me!! < 1338867422 166749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fumble < 1338867423 613294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hilariously" < 1338867463 167781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(special one-time only offer: if you start watching, you can decide whether I do Mines right now or more Dungeon first!) < 1338867703 964027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The DevTeam does not consider the lack of any warnings about hitting a floating eye to be a bug.[1] The encyclopedia entry does warn even unspoiled players of the danger." < 1338867733 339097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one nice thing about ace < 1338867739 78522 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more e yasds < 1338867742 111468 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not blue es anyway < 1338867745 712048 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :grays are still dangerous < 1338867779 327662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ace do? < 1338867787 568166 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just cause you to miss them < 1338867811 313089 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than basically kill you < 1338867814 177130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You should also watch me!!! < 1338867859 952268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1338867861 361513 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better things to do, sorry :( < 1338867863 228368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i call an orange potion < 1338867867 293130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338867876 450485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that hurts me in the part of me that hurts :'( < 1338867908 682925 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's called the pituitary gland < 1338867922 15748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hurts me in the pituitary gland < 1338867932 459696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get it removed < 1338868170 638140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate a zombie < 1338868172 625862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyy < 1338868282 256892 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1338868287 333444 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dywypi? < 1338868379 935546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nope < 1338868380 660851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prayed < 1338868388 751449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion_reasons < 1338868392 392949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i can't < 1338868392 754117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1338868396 46356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :appending _reasons to things < 1338868401 141196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey i got a pickaxe < 1338868409 192114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are carrying too much to get through. < 1338868409 551659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338868411 394873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm an elf < 1338868413 743609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elves have that a lot right < 1338868467 801306 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338868472 500972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they did < 1338868474 715525 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fixed point < 1338868479 246545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's no carry warning on my screen < 1338868480 15662 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :above 600s I believe < 1338868482 688471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i drop stuff or something < 1338868517 230427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You step onto a level teleport trap! You feel a wrenching sensation. < 1338868517 770511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338868566 902100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1338868567 804003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trap door < 1338868573 967699 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338868601 477177 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2^(x+2))^2=(2^4)*4^x < 1338868661 508132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think I fell to minetown < 1338868669 978858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1338868671 68398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient < 1338868687 492924 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1338868703 1187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1338868707 567863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's no less contextless than what you said :) < 1338868776 695319 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to resume my game < 1338868780 81375 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed vlad last time < 1338868783 807005 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vladbane was awesome < 1338868801 657007 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to use a kickass vladbane k? < 1338868827 182446 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the book Number Freak a while ago, and a thing it mentions is that 16 objects can be arranged into a 4*4 solid square or a 5*5 hollow one. < 1338868846 399446 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that this is because 2^4=4^2. < 1338868921 876507 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said that this was unique, and for the form a^b=b^a;a!=b, and it is, but I wanted to find a way to generalise it, so I did. < 1338868925 571142 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it often the case that a^b = b^a ? < 1338868959 956463 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang... if i was a better mathematician i may have realized to note a!=b < 1338868978 415386 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338868992 249948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you miss my interestingness < 1338869003 535973 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget to remember that part sometimes. < 1338869042 199290 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head, it is implied by the use of a and b that a!=b < 1338869094 929066 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it would be more optimal to say a^a=a^a rather than a^b=b^a;a=b < 1338869114 955714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: except that that would exclude all the as and bs that aren't equal!!! < 1338869175 736782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see here a small mimic corpse (5 zorkmids). < 1338869179 352900 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the difference between a mathematician i suppose < 1338869181 74844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to charge me for the corpse of the mimic I just killed? < 1338869187 360403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you, Pemboeang. fuck you. < 1338869282 352915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo help < 1338869291 900098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I angered izchak by destroying his door in the process of killing a gnome wizard < 1338869296 52110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: help :'( < 1338869312 268291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh at least he killed the mimic though < 1338869494 697633 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: so yeah, is it often the case that a^b=b^a;a!=b ? < 1338869508 840488 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just in the case of {2,4} < 1338869613 584905 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what fallacies i commited by saying "or is it just in the case of {2,4}" < 1338869631 142622 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not. < 1338869646 678786 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would i say..... < 1338869727 297853 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a in {2,4}; b in {2,4}; a!=b < 1338869734 621397 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like so? :D < 1338869742 622410 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1338869749 980713 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good enough for me < 1338869792 252377 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. sighs < 1338869818 54307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1338869819 316350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: help < 1338869856 46087 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The I tihnk it's that 2^2 = 4. < 1338869869 82491 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^b=b^a;a!=b iff a ∈ {2,4}; b ∈ {2,4} < 1338869879 118021 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in either case it's 2^2^2. < 1338869881 631085 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah.. the symbol went unicode < 1338869912 568554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"went Unicode" < 1338869935 861802 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't really trust unicode to show up < 1338869937 266695 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With other values I tihnk there's a solution, jsut not an integer one. < 1338869971 527337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi im baakc < 1338869991 482954 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, or something like that. < 1338869994 567321 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALso hi. < 1338869995 523859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah 16 = 4^4 = 5 * 2 + 3 * 2 < 1338869999 319959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i angered izchak by blasting his door in the process of killing a gnome wizard < 1338870000 975397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was on the door < 1338870007 346108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he killed the small mimic for me but now he's killing me :( < 1338870013 63213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't want to kill izchak (not that i could) because "karma" < 1338870034 694283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In all other cases, you can pay him 1000zm for a 2/3 chance of pacifying him." < 1338870037 982292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't have 1000zm < 1338870039 787796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of a while ago < 1338870039 946988 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :∈ < 1338870043 578156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338870043 737816 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338870044 487563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338870058 848734 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338870063 418991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldnt v killed that nome < 1338870103 564019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have killed it with melee you mean < 1338870105 910161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway help < 1338870106 997856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i do < 1338870118 561082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1338870125 467707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338870129 79161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blasted izchak's door < 1338870139 49456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not being in izchak's shop < 1338870156 362095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1338870166 768718 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: ah so its the only one with an integer solution? < 1338870188 680800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pakka pakka shield < 1338870201 404014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1338870203 812227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: time to try again!!! < 1338870204 716780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi is fun < 1338870206 271029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know < 1338870242 621616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to enjoy nethack < 1338870261 64977 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends MDude a tetris variant with only one tetronimo.. the [][][][]
< 1338870274 180904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you can enjoy it again!!! < 1338870275 341765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the interface got to me, then i learned about all the horrible things in it < 1338870280 730145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its just < 1338870282 231597 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same < 1338870299 303156 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather □□□□ < 1338870308 424359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Marduk, the creator, is mentioned in the introduction text. He created at least the Mazes of Menace, and probably the entire universe. Aside from that, however, he plays no part in the game." < 1338870315 519740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the thing with nethack is: "not taking it seriously" < 1338870328 607863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there has to be SOME game that's horrible < 1338870334 61896 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 4.1 without 5 < 1338870340 767911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my 5 < 1338870350 380107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could macro up a 5!!! < 1338870352 578868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not like 4.1 < 1338870355 507578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1 is way more punishing wow < 1338870360 832638 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1338870365 984815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1338870370 881030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create 4*4 solid squares or a 5*5 hollow ones with that tetronimo using tetris rules! < 1338870388 352137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuuumb < 1338870413 68060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to play nethack quickly < 1338870422 259930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an important question < 1338870455 91825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "Elbereth" < 1338870456 26143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "htereblE" < 1338870469 109754 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So thou though thou couldst kill me, fool?" < 1338870470 502124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: probably but you playing quickly always happens when you're not having fun < 1338870474 935558 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes, or the only one where the solution, a, and b are all integers anyway. < 1338870477 508460 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h. tereble < 1338870482 417872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elbereths true nature revealt < 1338870484 544097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose which spell to cast: finger of death < 1338870488 131717 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kill the Wizard of Yendor! < 1338870499 722419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it happens when im having fun too < 1338870504 559302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nope < 1338870523 483187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1338870526 382872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not all the time < 1338870532 987295 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas when im not having fun i tend to play fast < 1338870549 74094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. squarelos < 1338870550 680475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fine i;'ll play some nethack whatever < 1338870556 175225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i didn't mean now!! < 1338870561 718518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is hte time to watch me play nethack "a sacred time" < 1338870580 708030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even send me lots of mail!!! < 1338870606 221197 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871086 994988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: where shop < 1338871100 889256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere shop < 1338871128 574329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is > < 1338871134 241106 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere > < 1338871349 689082 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I read " You kill the Wizard of Yendor!" it all clicked < 1338871581 572971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338871651 967267 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871812 930104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it does not seem like you can convert a lawful to chaotic altar? < 1338871814 558232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only cross-aligned < 1338871829 904227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thgat is cross-aligned??? < 1338871835 449796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338871865 697851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha take that < 1338871866 968730 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338871881 691707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338871883 140747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: now i pray right < 1338871890 635041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that < 1338871892 79799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not enough" < 1338871904 286297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopeful feeling sounds good!!! < 1338871916 353348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont pray for it < 1338871922 418833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you get it from an offering < 1338871924 453892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can pray, have positive alignment and your god is not angry you generally have a chance of getting an artifact. Your level must be greater than 2, and your luck must be nonnegative. If those conditions are met, the chances of your getting an artifact are 1/(10 + 2 × Number of existing artifacts × Number of gifts granted by your god): < 1338871925 32184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338871926 996736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can pray" < 1338871935 760326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does my artefact likelihood decrease over time < 1338871937 749617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can I sacrifice < 1338871941 156067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at my leisure" < 1338871942 895381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1338871956 90820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1338871969 826110 :djx!~djx@112.4.75.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338871998 558536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338872002 75083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not carrying around corpses reasons < 1338872003 702928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome djx < 1338872006 700038 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :djx: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338872011 79104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: let's try that again < 1338872017 589146 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you die < 1338872025 871880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338872027 316076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss it < 1338872029 321581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you < 1338872043 504974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NR 9 < 1338872066 94035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear a joek < 1338872067 18360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joek < 1338872067 926181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke < 1338872093 738187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke < 1338872101 116101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is < 1338872102 98414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i < 1338872106 254208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually forgot in the process of asking that < 1338872116 826264 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that all the time < 1338872135 996500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally find it a surprising event when i am like you in some way < 1338872142 853485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you are a good cat < 1338872153 333193 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try and provide a good analogy just to make sure < 1338872238 198897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: where > < 1338872255 239490 :djx!~djx@112.4.75.18 PART :#esoteric < 1338872263 773253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere > < 1338872288 160702 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an announcer was going to present the next performer to the stage, and he had the name in his head, but then he focused on saying "folks.. this is what you've all been waiting for.. the great, the wonderful, the magnificient.." and then forgetting the name < 1338872302 839592 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1338872360 749265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nice chaotic altar < 1338872362 377000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- elliott < 1338872371 15525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338872377 383895 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a better analogy would be.. "what i'm about to tell you is really cool but i have to warn you that it could be distressing.. oh and also i cannot take all the credit for it, but the idea just occured to me.. so as i was saying" ... "i forget" < 1338872382 56797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no squarelos < 1338872383 151027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't eat < 1338872384 588550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jackal corpse < 1338872385 308563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1338872396 253450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgive you because you are a cat < 1338872427 94910 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is he a god cat < 1338872470 247020 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when i played nethack: i didnt knowa bout #pray < 1338872474 922305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~note altar on D:2~ < 1338872477 629454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's probably more like how all humans inherently have a lot in common < 1338872480 788906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you were playing: hard mode < 1338872489 588450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist elberethless < 1338872536 301830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!! < 1338872543 214645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it took too long < 1338872569 889149 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting something due to waiting too long to say it is probably just a human thing < 1338872592 189364 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but habitually delaying saying things for too long is something else < 1338872621 868046 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338872656 800315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good corridor < 1338872672 186575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to do mines soon < 1338872674 352580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be exciting! < 1338872681 470484 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my joke was: he puts the "oh man" in romance < 1338872729 808372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me! < 1338872742 630011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to join one team because of the backstory, but a different team has a better logo! < 1338872748 394835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go team a" < 1338872756 733012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of team < 1338872760 17199 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of backstory < 1338872761 205776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what sort of logo < 1338872763 277364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, factions in Planetside < 1338872766 133991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go team @" < 1338872783 614667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's that < 1338872794 541603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, MMOFPS < 1338872804 497057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VANU SOVEREIGNTY � A technocratic faction that believes humanity can only evolve by rediscovering and tapping the lost technology of the Vanu." < 1338872804 870677 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a dice roller bot? < 1338872805 127099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmofps < 1338872812 787686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^like the backstory < 1338872816 230007 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^die roller < 1338872835 103801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: `mines time' < 1338872838 206988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes < 1338872839 112731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1338872839 476152 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338872841 906953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the logos: http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/gameinfo/empire_Sprite.png?v=131.4 < 1338872842 166500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rolls a 1d2 < 1338872842 568733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1338872844 779131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2 < 1338872844 985401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2 < 1338872848 632112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also that < 1338872849 839256 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh cool thanks < 1338872859 261585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which of those do you like < 1338872862 65504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From top to bottom, Terran Republic, New Conglomerate, Vanu Sovereignty < 1338872866 602737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the NC logo < 1338872867 209485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the invisible leprechaun's presence is known to you.--More-- < 1338872867 793008 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suggest you first roll for initiative before rolling to determine which team < 1338872868 295975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1338872893 804121 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really played d&d though so just making this up >.< < 1338872898 321074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the NC uniforms suck, VS logo rules < 1338872901 524043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whoaoaoh help < 1338872903 80462 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roll on whether you should roll < 1338872903 897119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, VS uniform rules < 1338872911 163304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VS logo sucks and the NC logo rules < 1338872911 865682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go VS < 1338872926 462630 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what did doyu DO < 1338872926 665545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go NC < 1338872929 828365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bat < 1338872941 610970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338872942 861815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by bat < 1338872945 151283 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok look at the metadecision.. what sort of players will go with VS, and what sort of players will go with NC < 1338872958 589498 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338872962 928054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want me to play again < 1338872966 293397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1338872972 871836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NC wallpaper http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/media/wallpapers/2_iphone.jpg?v=131.4 VS wallpaper http://www-cdn.planetside2.com/images/media/wallpapers/3_iphone.jpg?v=131.4 < 1338872977 112505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: am i boring :( < 1338872982 314676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see who has the better uniforms < 1338873003 972986 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nc < 1338873015 598193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I was thinking < 1338873016 538683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the NC people be shallow to choose a team with a poor backstory? or would they simply be going with their natural instinct to like the logo? < 1338873028 61967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's vs < 1338873035 132214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, they're "Freedom" people < 1338873047 235057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think itidus20 has it right < 1338873049 630065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guess who'e play again < 1338873051 335175 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would the VS people be elite snobs for choosing a team with a good backstory? or are they just good people < 1338873051 495223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1338873054 986934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1338873056 643780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died a lot < 1338873059 225933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im playing aagain! < 1338873068 366183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: play healer, heal squarelos, heal rocks, eat rocks < 1338873069 783318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whistle RIGHT BELOW MY STARTING SQUARE < 1338873070 110028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, http://www.planetside2.com/overview < 1338873070 585114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As a wizard unidentified spellbooks is safe unless they're cursed. < 1338873073 59986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`i win' < 1338873075 489086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: i: not found < 1338873078 48022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *are < 1338873079 192892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll down to where you see the logos < 1338873083 192573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does Hebrew not distinguish is/are?) < 1338873084 700179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very very brief summaries of the empires < 1338873088 315813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "reading" was implied as part of your question. < 1338873101 79233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your sentence was ungrammertical. :( < 1338873111 945976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just left some parts implied. < 1338873116 517037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of your question it made sense. < 1338873120 568055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that your question was hours ago. < 1338873131 671715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hebrew does distinguish. Moreover it distinguishes male "is"/"are" from female "is"/"are". < 1338873131 831831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be one of the elite players to beta test this highly-anticipated shooter! We need your participation and feedback to make this a truly epic, genre-defining game! < 1338873143 118773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bad < 1338873144 199124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you elite < 1338873146 177699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, come to think of it, it doesn't have a word for "is" or "are". < 1338873151 678378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess not. < 1338873151 837762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooops < 1338873152 856991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate kobold < 1338873167 416781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338873168 677537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hp < 1338873177 707872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer won't be able to handle it, I need a new computer. < 1338873204 573306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, nicknames for people of each faction: < 1338873210 257991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elmos, smurfs, barnys < 1338873221 320278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1338873224 246130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barneys I think < 1338873244 250643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338873277 10140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barnys elitest faktion < 1338873297 872638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wher's > < 1338873300 400455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where's > < 1338873469 193807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know what upsets me < 1338873490 587286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338873527 173380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pets move a bunch after you go > < 1338873528 99631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 0 turns < 1338873529 264824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/dRSQ < 1338873533 40143 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 46.8 < 1338873560 572630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see here a scroll labeled YUM YUM. < 1338873574 463930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember when you said "yum yum" to me < 1338873584 879901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good time for a repeat" < 1338873671 889211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is eating permafood meant to be common in nethack < 1338873674 108751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl it's "bad" < 1338873687 786358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no squarelos < 1338873689 611331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to sacrifice that < 1338873692 903148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can often get by with corpses; sometimes not. < 1338873699 181673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw can i have details on sacrificing to get magicbane < 1338873699 790379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338873705 853555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many corpses am i going to have to sacrifice approx. < 1338873710 869836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does the magicbanelikelihood decrease over time < 1338873714 656448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can i sacrifice corpses at my leisure < 1338873727 50512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By early-to-mid-game you should have more permafood than you need. < 1338873734 935552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sokoban is full of it. Another reason to do sokoban first. < 1338873737 920213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define early-to-mid :P < 1338873739 534719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338873749 551485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But Sokoban makes me intolerably bored, < 1338873749 712306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Magicbane is a guaranteed first sacrifice gift to wizards. < 1338873750 814928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bored. < 1338873777 675874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's early or not doesn't matter, but sacrificing increases your luck, and high luck makes it more likely to get something. < 1338873788 392063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you do a bunch of sacrifices together it's more likely to yield something? Maybe. < 1338873801 886206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's just chance. I've gotten it as the first sacrifice gift sometimes. < 1338873851 137758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1338873868 725912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing monsters increases your alignment which might also have something to do with it? But presumably you're doing that anyway. < 1338873869 47482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, roughly how many corpses can I expect to sac?) < 1338873872 241180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5? 10? 50?) < 1338873876 938372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1338873881 989433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably <50. < 1338873898 862692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't break mirrors or anything like that. < 1338873984 578408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you id anything in a shop < 1338873987 879250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's a potion shope < 1338874157 594122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1338874159 822128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1338874169 547034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to see something terrible, monqy < 1338874172 27871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You mean by price? < 1338874180 659435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. (Is price-iding dumb?) < 1338874181 343278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only sell things that belong in that shop in that shop. < 1338874186 429171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And price-iding isn't always reliable. < 1338874195 108844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I id, then. :( < 1338874197 917681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually too lazy to do it except for things like lamps. < 1338874206 471589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "/r/haskell's current logo" http://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/nb6gZnmUj6jhotix.png < 1338874249 104582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So if I'm in a potion shop and everything is just "potion", I should ignore it for now, right? :p < 1338874253 845719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note to self: It's on D:3.) < 1338874272 717048 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: barft < 1338874434 877399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do i use whistle < 1338874444 106899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a)pply < 1338874462 863199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why isn't apply and zap the same < 1338874467 942905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aren't < 1338874474 848702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wear/put on < 1338874481 739823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a)pplying a wand is for breaking it. < 1338874492 371679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dumb" - me < 1338874505 660654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"me=dumb" -- eliott < 1338874510 555042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: apparently people complained when acehack unified armour/jewellery putting-on-and-taking-off < 1338874512 366114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the complaints < 1338874538 396543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (A) both takes off and removes < 1338874544 271685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does it < 1338874545 471389 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno < 1338874546 84227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338874548 164617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does T exist hten < 1338874548 889530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1338874553 224782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very dumb" - me < 1338874646 553088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "scroll of identify" < 1338874653 844195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use it! < 1338874655 467467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i use it now < 1338874657 314621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338874679 204853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/hfcc < 1338874682 636287 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.3 < 1338874830 128206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tin whistle :( < 1338874918 620643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guess waht time it is < 1338874939 192120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it < 1338874940 970237 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338874968 198300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's < 1338874970 404259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"manes time" < 1338874971 376347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mines < 1338875046 739447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ouch < 1338875049 783575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338875055 589281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oupes < 1338875073 59880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheating" < 1338875138 99298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hehehehehe i thought squarelos was < 1338875140 18801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungus with items under it < 1338875141 767712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of crawl < 1338875485 506835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So should I be killing things and dragging them all the way to an altar? < 1338875493 14373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just saccing what I happen to kill on the level with the altar? < 1338875512 163560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on what you want to do. < 1338875520 890500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Magicbane. < 1338875542 963581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragging things is ineffective because you only have N turns from the time they die to the time you can sacrifice them. < 1338875547 531138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338875561 601551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can -- I don't know, do something. < 1338875573 802338 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-99.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338875574 968794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe read your cursed scroll of create monster near the altar! < 1338875580 698891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll make you popular. < 1338875709 964098 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338875714 487641 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1338875715 533547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rephrase: What's the usual thing to do? < 1338875990 517852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A looking glass shatters into a thousand pieces!--More-- < 1338875994 486076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember what you said about not breaking mirrors? < 1338876023 828885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess "don't cast force bolt at water nymphs" would have been more useful advice? < 1338876034 276377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do I have teleportitis. :( < 1338876041 343336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you feel jumpy? < 1338876044 192638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338876045 862055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes. < 1338876046 580104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very jumpy, in fact. < 1338876054 252353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I stop having teleportitis? < 1338876065 485020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to get teleportcontrolitis. < 1338876074 285693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a ring or something for that. < 1338876087 563065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At XL 17 you get it intrinsically. < 1338876100 656895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, but I don't want to be bothered by HEY TELEPORT WHERE every N turns. < 1338876105 589909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's good to be a wzimard" < 1338876106 160301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise it's "optimal" in some sense.) < 1338876108 727056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also annoying.) < 1338876121 473089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you experienced controlledteleportitis in NetHack? < 1338876125 379196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338876127 792603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not that bad. < 1338876135 600606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to decide where to teleport every ~80 turns? < 1338876141 442995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1338876145 14671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1338876145 504623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I remember it's not that bad. < 1338876153 870550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the number 80, that is. < 1338876159 964267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every game turn, there is a 1/85 chance you will try to teleport. This does not cost nutrition or energy. [1]" < 1338876167 790530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, yes. < 1338876175 969071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you're "going somewhere" anyway, so teleportitis only helps! < 1338876186 554459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very hard to lose intrinsics in NetHack. < 1338876192 80662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't have eaten that nymph! < 1338876197 32897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did you eat a nymph?) < 1338876218 141159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338876220 35390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1338876222 781342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dying < 1338876223 869818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876225 373579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now You Know. < 1338876227 707303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876228 788936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1338876229 149295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's killing you? < 1338876233 715677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingo & housecat < 1338876240 76683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleportitis away! < 1338876248 314191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks.
< 1338876250 43231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been enough turns for that. < 1338876252 575945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack needs more chokepoints. < 1338876260 147148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can ^T, maybe? < 1338876266 448803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION connects to NAO.
< 1338876273 130634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thank you, pressing ^T just killed me. < 1338876279 64437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem! < 1338876283 238569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you I was going to look, right? < 1338876293 755371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't tell me you were Pw:15! < 1338876295 736987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you Elbereth? < 1338876299 185074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338876301 358097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about Elbereth. < 1338876307 974406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much like cheating that I forget it's possible. < 1338876312 25839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about Elbereth(TM). < 1338876325 871018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before your first ascension you're allowed Elbereth, like, for free, man. < 1338876331 405893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only cure is to have it stolen by a gremlin, at night." < 1338876355 684360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should play! < 1338876356 806773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll watch. < 1338876361 41295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy will also watch. < 1338876367 453692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, one game. < 1338876367 970695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1338876373 262763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have INterhacka set up here. :-( < 1338876377 363070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I play? < 1338876395 67222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK < 1338876396 744984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something difficult. < 1338876399 997130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try something random! < 1338876400 438409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :-( < 1338876404 566484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll play y < 1338876412 794736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1338876414 123618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're chaotic. < 1338876417 429679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy mode. < 1338876421 234817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a full moon. < 1338876422 145007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1338876427 903094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that single rectangle is the entire dungeon. < 1338876435 124871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super easy mode. < 1338876435 998418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this means you win. < 1338876473 774749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you've lost. < 1338876474 890218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1338876479 186693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have automatic searching. < 1338876484 873544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'ti's''s good to be a ranger" < 1338876489 526743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating! < 1338876526 956404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player shachaf does not have any scores in the top 2000. < 1338876533 47513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "why is my font so bad " :( < 1338876541 741851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: screenshot < 1338876546 611854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't played games since the Great High Score Reset of 2012-or-so. < 1338876546 771888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not as bad as mine < 1338876548 616941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you want to see mine) < 1338876561 318557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My font is fine except the 0 looks like a O. :-( < 1338876576 608820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you receive my mail btw < 1338876581 728378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mail < 1338876587 102274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338876590 537524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about now < 1338876590 974921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, can I send monqy mail? < 1338876598 702931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not playing!!! < 1338876599 643806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my font: http://ompldr.org/vZTNpNw < 1338876607 282411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy knows my font < 1338876610 956868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy knows < 1338876611 803489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror < 1338876636 484076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That font looks fine. < 1338876647 973574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1338876659 503725 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876659 662784 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338876659 662947 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876662 449770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unhinted and rendered badly. < 1338876676 899427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also used to it. < 1338876729 486223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you enjoying shachaf's game i know i am < 1338876759 338731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is shachaf's first game since 2011-01 aparently! < 1338876765 870236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1338876767 395093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1338876777 154829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't emlook at my shitory!! < 1338876782 742349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :History. < 1338876793 814403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't emlook at it. < 1338876797 2197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I presume the space is part of the word.) < 1338876798 169611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The lag is too great to play NetHack. :-(( < 1338876809 456108 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338876810 382853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That just means you get to think more every turn. < 1338876812 318440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you die less! < 1338876817 327086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned that from shachaf. < 1338876819 786157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to die. :-( < 1338876826 763856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1338876827 847508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't listen to anything shachaf tells youa bout NetHack. < 1338876828 675189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to win. < 1338876848 990775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the round-trip latency is about 3 seconds now. < 1338876850 771644 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338876855 990794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What continent are you even in? < 1338876872 976142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WHY < 1338876874 701172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :East America. < 1338876890 336482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY would anyone think that "publically traded" == "anyone can see your information" < 1338876893 763969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The problem is on my side.) < 1338876894 763700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1338876904 572747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thatsnonsense.com/view.php?id=1563 < 1338876916 241069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw two FB friends post the piece of silliness < 1338876918 519323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this latency is too great to play. < 1338876925 569322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saves.
< 1338876938 716118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You planned this from the start! < 1338876942 761725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hope you enjoyed that" < 1338876954 44914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope! It's a tragtedy. < 1338876960 323874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to Psychonauts! < 1338877005 426019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll farm some puddings for you. < 1338877015 212949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1338877018 834579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't pudding farm! < 1338877024 516426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FOR YOU. < 1338877024 676700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't farm pudding! < 1338877030 829884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be unhappy and not farm puddings if you played more. < 1338877041 264683 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimmick! is a fucking awesome game. It is also psychotically hard. < 1338877071 822424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does things I thought impossible on the NES. < 1338877104 649045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know I once watched Wooble farm puddings on the planes? < 1338877112 805794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To sacrifice. Or something. < 1338877194 406406 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what should I wish for? < 1338877203 944497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: rae you playing < 1338877205 390938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so where < 1338877212 982656 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm standing on the altar on Astral < 1338877216 310657 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something cool < 1338877220 653100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1338877221 593396 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a wish and probably another one too < 1338877223 77101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing < 1338877223 621605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1338877224 529502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :server < 1338877227 381753 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nh4 < 1338877230 152469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1338877231 193245 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't watch :( < 1338877231 547768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme connect < 1338877232 965969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see < 1338877234 774916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1338877235 197938 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1338877235 858852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1338877237 666222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: screenshot? < 1338877239 944161 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my replay is busted < 1338877241 118062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "good enough" < 1338877250 814480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1338877253 736929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "something cool" < 1338877257 9044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :include "stupid joke wish" < 1338877259 60636 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877276 9760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: blessed greased fixed slime mold < 1338877277 240118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/GBCZ < 1338877280 526595 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1338877287 119647 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... seems too pedestrian < 1338877289 18934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (are you going to be the first NH4 ascension?) < 1338877307 120323 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly not :( < 1338877327 122771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 57.4 blessed greased fixed +9 slime molds of love called hungerbane < 1338877351 973445 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i;l play neth ack now < 1338877371 412191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i will watch < 1338877371 775871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1338877372 859719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :steal my rc < 1338877376 832785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1338877377 212557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "conservative" < 1338877379 708831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i steal < 1338877382 264029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1338877388 29291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to http://alt.org/nethack/webconf/nhrc_edit.php < 1338877390 28202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter yr details < 1338877391 493288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll sprunge mine < 1338877405 926561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/iSHU < 1338877420 95604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns on gold autopickup, names yr cat squarelos < 1338877425 806967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can name your cat anything you want instead) < 1338877428 335834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps "elliott") < 1338877432 443485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does statuscolors < 1338877434 710995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*statuscolours < 1338877436 930255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doe smenucolours < 1338877445 239788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts --more--s on bad things < 1338877456 648257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows buc < 1338877458 311634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it < 1338877463 736306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok playeing < 1338877465 942613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and requires "yes" instead of "y" for some scary things < 1338877466 102465 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i play ! < 1338877466 646675 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I know. < 1338877473 779945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what should monqy play < 1338877474 707445 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I will wish for < 1338877480 601065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know MuCK in crawl < 1338877480 838851 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it becomes safe to connect to my game again < 1338877485 963091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the equivalent of MuCK in NetHack < 1338877513 793096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "n e way" if you want ~easy melee~ you can play valkyrie dwarf < 1338877518 527280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`the mdfi of nethack' - me, just now) < 1338877525 741983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play a wizard! they're fun! < 1338877535 945823 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want shachaf's xpert opinion < 1338877536 816700 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1338877541 132375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: xpert opinion pls < 1338877552 574210 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably ascended < 1338877553 224496 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338877555 155456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a billion times < 1338877560 939426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than both of us put together < 1338877565 361352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he knows what he's talking about < 1338877566 478935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's ascended < 1338877568 369506 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he would < 1338877571 772802 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he was talking!! < 1338877579 8188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 times < 1338877588 647698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has ascended none and played 2 (joke is he doesn't play on NAO) < 1338877627 915135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nethack is weird just play a valkyrie or a wizard < 1338877636 670290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a caveman < 1338877637 757989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a tourist < 1338877639 203549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a ranger < 1338877642 869482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a knight < 1338877644 148923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a samuri < 1338877647 157076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~it doesn't really matter~ < 1338877647 403875 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hit random < 1338877653 758647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338877655 808175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338877658 470599 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338877665 748486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you end up with a dwarf valkyrie with random??? < 1338877674 92615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you hit random after picking those < 1338877674 252138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877680 806711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:27:45 did you end up with a dwarf valkyrie with random??? < 1338877681 7134 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:27:53 yes < 1338877681 218625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1338877683 568403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338877685 488412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write menucolors for nh4 < 1338877686 456490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338877712 342172 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338877718 698630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (nothing autopickups except gold) < 1338877724 601526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but there's less floor trash than crawl so) < 1338877726 43647 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338877737 15457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's a fountain < 1338877740 450840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quaff it" < 1338877754 28374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't < 1338877757 199487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't quaff the fountain, < 1338877760 148944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1338877760 713650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1338877782 458647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nice eyesight < 1338877816 702697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: xpert opinion on what < 1338877826 350120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to play < 1338877835 517869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dwarf valkyrie < 1338877847 313437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is the nethack equivalent of muck < 1338877857 130028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depdends < 1338877859 37785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is muck" < 1338877874 709889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've played kock but not muck. shame. shame on you. < 1338877886 526776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stope < 1338877886 885784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mummy chaos knight. mummy, wroships xom < 1338877888 428026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look at my history! < 1338877894 320178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mummy chaos knight. mummy, wroships xom < 1338877902 103878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look at my history! < 1338877912 308714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bad because xom likes to confuse you < 1338877914 325977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mummies can't quaff < 1338877919 856536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have "great fun" getting out of confusion < 1338877926 637745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bad in a beautiful way which monqy is probably better at articulating than i am < 1338877935 710273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1338877935 869657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i like how your cat is named squarelos and also you are named squarelos < 1338877955 635529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: stop fighting while < 1338877956 412693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fainting < 1338877961 771843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does food work < 1338877962 155301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember #pray < 1338877963 698575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "s q u a r e l o s e p t i o n" " reddit mode" < 1338877969 411351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you eat food < 1338877972 485793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get less hungry < 1338877973 923853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're fainting < 1338877975 984797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pass out every few turns < 1338877985 678235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do that!!! < 1338877985 837861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO'S THE xpert NOW? < 1338877988 242566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't be weak either < 1338877990 332264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ # xpert < 1338877991 65240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really need food pray < 1338877992 869002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338877993 816611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im xpert < 1338878001 73695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so what's the nethack equivalent of muck!!! < 1338878068 289576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow do you play every game this stupidly fast < 1338878081 637880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice chest-ignoring < 1338878086 188920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats achest < 1338878106 969813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#loot < 1338878113 238223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you shattered the things ha ha < 1338878120 937783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!nick chestpickerupperers monqy < 1338878128 314771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:34 monqy: wow do you play every game this stupidly fast < 1338878139 589934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupidly fast? < 1338878141 485898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh, monqy < 1338878142 790782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone to flesh < 1338878146 585184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it is < 1338878147 123511 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have enough pw < 1338878220 744159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i was saying < 1338878221 868392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidly fast < 1338878222 112972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much damage do those jerks do < 1338878224 513846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on stupid < 1338878224 673783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know when to heal < 1338878230 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you should look it up!!! < 1338878230 971991 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasnt fast at all dummy !!! i just dove a bit < 1338878234 314044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to < 1338878239 518875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll die < 1338878240 654724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also dont want to not dive < 1338878241 71750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots < 1338878250 357121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then i dont want to not die < 1338878260 791028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not diving! < 1338878265 868906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diving would be digging for victory or w/e < 1338878270 899212 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt have a wand < 1338878285 667024 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not playing nethack seriously i thought you understood this < 1338878287 316208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use a pick < 1338878303 352763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you didn't understand that your requirement to play was a serious one! < 1338878311 777538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that requirement??? < 1338878314 978336 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then this sucks and i'm not playing < 1338878324 125267 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you understood i didn't want to play nethack seriously < 1338878328 626394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't subvert a requirement! < 1338878332 31906 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338878332 633772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can < 1338878333 369212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they overcome wishes < 1338878334 879858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338878336 365724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will die < 1338878337 990855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life < 1338878340 598505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1338878380 925470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know how to dig for victory there's a "great article on it" < 1338878386 70749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont know < 1338878390 72223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just < 1338878390 964606 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digging < 1338878391 123950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Digging_for_victory "now you know" < 1338878395 905849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i < 1338878398 156485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont want to know < 1338878414 247284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no choice! < 1338878419 383547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338878419 948170 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1338878420 353817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god has decided < 1338878422 358049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338878457 395826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to join #nethack and tell everyone to look at this person called squarelos < 1338878459 416646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they will all laugh < 1338878460 506201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind your back < 1338878463 49117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in front of your back < 1338878465 451420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you will be surrounded) < 1338878474 718320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun ruined < 1338878503 606661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what fun" < 1338878516 355110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway now you have to play more < 1338878517 615149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them's the rules < 1338878529 660468 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338878544 966294 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338879352 30174 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338879364 966898 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338879365 526655 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: woot < 1338879373 749914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what did you wish for btw < 1338879374 678980 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im #1 < 1338879375 374825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and congrats < 1338879382 899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many runes (laughs) < 1338879383 228850 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed fixed greased +3 dunce cap < 1338879402 26413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3? more like -3 < 1338879418 89860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed fixed greased +3 fake plastic imitation of the amulet of yendor < 1338879424 236067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: wish for that sometime < 1338879489 421820 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: already had a fpiotaoy < 1338879493 920394 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where I got it < 1338879501 449476 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there it was < 1338879504 603458 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do want it, yes? < 1338879505 562194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was it blessed fixed greased +3 < 1338879510 47169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1338879511 8832 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really will keep it < 1338879513 545404 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do want it, yes? < 1338879519 355476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you won already < 1338879529 264315 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm making a pokemon reference < 1338879534 522629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338879541 59135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired and its been years since i played pokemon!!! < 1338879565 406638 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I got all the words wrong < 1338879571 664559 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thought that counts though < 1338879756 266585 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(go see my #1 ascension, it's glorious) < 1338879769 898521 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't try to watch the replay < 1338879772 198306 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i's broken < 1338879841 913925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1338879848 240112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im not watching your entire game unless its short sorry < 1338879856 940060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only roguelike recordings i watch multiple hours of are monqy's < 1338879891 198208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should play my roguelike it's "great" - testimony by me < 1338880211 848164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I like that "bug fix" in the modified C Deadfish interpreter. < 1338880212 61367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338880975 347217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only now processing in my mind that everyone seems to be getting into the "radical UI redesign" thing, not just GNOME and Ubuntu < 1338880983 225707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by that, I mean that Windows is doing it < 1338881046 584124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im radcial ui design - ME < 1338881048 207938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338881065 911119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFCE ain't. < 1338881250 226698 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers from Beijing, everybody. < 1338881250 449285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338881251 644042 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will continue running TDE as long as I'm able < 1338881253 901027 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338881254 112380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 13h 14m 4s ago: *stab stabbity stab* < 1338881260 642849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's not very nice :( < 1338881378 169398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Gregor *hi hiity hi* < 1338881378 378389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338881392 595072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338881392 809666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 14s ago: *hi hiity hi* < 1338881399 721755 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ****** ***? < 1338881429 141373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Exactly. < 1338881434 940018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Gregor" is a much better nick than "Friendship". < 1338881451 686971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a nick, it's my bloody name X-D < 1338881461 765553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338881465 731756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your regular name? < 1338881467 75820 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: **** ****** :) < 1338881479 79154 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I'm connected via an SSH tunnel ;) < 1338881527 480778 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking.. that way if people start talking about t squares, you don't disappear < 1338881535 611975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1338881653 615679 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-175.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338881844 959564 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find the pony factory, please buy me a derpy ;) < 1338881872 712180 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338881992 327148 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, having fun? < 1338882011 895491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rediscovering the fun of being stared at by everyone. < 1338882030 926030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And enjoying how stupidly inexpensive everything is. < 1338882060 822763 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the food? < 1338882080 857578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap ;) < 1338882093 29932 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No complaints. I'm not blown away, but I haven't really gone anywhere that I expect to blow me away. < 1338882111 329913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a beef noodle place and got the most expensive item on the menu. < 1338882114 514482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly $5.50 < 1338882120 391857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, you're in 北京? Fun. < 1338882121 874694 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338882129 264628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Imma 漢字 at you a bit. < 1338882129 986182 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338882170 181402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *shakes fist* < 1338882189 573880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beijing" and "hanzi", respectively, BTW. < 1338882201 342137 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: And my dinner the previous night came out to a grand total of $5. < 1338882225 102861 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hotels? cheap also? < 1338882225 980100 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Pekin" and "kanji" in Japanese, if you must have that, too) < 1338882337 353803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, there seems to be no way from outside of a restaurant to determine if they have an English menu. < 1338882365 902191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuredly the staff won't speak English, but I can point at the menu and they can write down the total price and point at that, but all that still needs an English menu to start with X-D < 1338882465 971988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I could go to a Thai restaurant, poorly mispronounce the Thai name for something, and still get it? :) < 1338882511 929755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"英語単菜？" I think would work, but I make no guarantees of that being correct Mandarin. < 1338882535 955029 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it is definitely wrong mainland Mandarin, because I don't know how to enter simplified glyphs. < 1338882547 92147 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can google goggles translate chinese? < 1338882555 517933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, maybe? < 1338882567 561203 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a thought ... that requires net though, right? < 1338882572 350143 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338882577 461261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it can't for me :) < 1338882581 773998 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338882643 68798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate suggests it's "英文菜単", which makes sense. < 1338882669 535482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yīngwén càidān", Mandarin reading... < 1338882689 88292 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eibun saitan", Japanese. < 1338882696 779321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English dishes radiolabeling" < 1338882714 733065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1338882728 743675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't know how to interpret the answer to that, since in Mandarin/Chinese you answer "yes" by repeating the verb and there's no verb there. < 1338882756 965465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338882783 994730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nǐ yǒu yīngwén càidān ma? < 1338882787 474843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems about right. < 1338882874 32639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 你有英文菜単吗？ < 1338882901 76033 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1338882907 292298 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang I could learn Mandarin quickly. :P < 1338882928 23028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learned two new words, woooh X-D < 1338882999 208022 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338883031 802066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And further demonstrates my ability to vaguely fake understanding written Chinese just by knowing that Chinese is SVO, not SOV. < 1338883036 375804 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the survey says: google goggles fails at recognizing chinese characters < 1338883082 292011 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relationship between Chinese and Japanese is truly strange. < 1338883112 348269 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of very similar words afaik < 1338883142 580349 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's basically the relationship between Latin and English. < 1338883165 761466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Except *Japanese* is the one with the more complicated grammar. < 1338883215 810689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :そうだな。。。 < 1338883233 504178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, that sentence in Japanese would be "貴方は英語のメニューが有りますか。", "anata wa eigo no menyū ga arimasu ka." < 1338883274 12253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 日本語ができますか。 < 1338883281 788325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, you might say it more casually as "英語のメニューが有る？", "eigo no menyū ga aru?") < 1338883286 189954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Idonno, the fact that it's a logography instead of an alphabet makes it seem stranger to me. < 1338883287 460474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: うん、出来る。 < 1338883338 940121 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: On the part of Chinese, it's a bit more like a syllabary that's got logographic elements... < 1338883360 557894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Each glyph maps to a syllable, and (almost) all morphemes are single syllables. < 1338883362 716355 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh really? < 1338883373 302487 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not the case in Japanese) < 1338883415 647309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there are words formed of multiple symbols of which the individual symbols may themselves be unrelated words? < 1338883427 88313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in principle, if not necessarily in practice) < 1338883435 493737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes ;) < 1338883437 438868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1338883446 639516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're rare and edge cases, from what I understand of Chinese, *yes*. < 1338883449 286936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :日 <- day. 日本 <- japan. 本 <- book < 1338883468 230774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse, there's a couple that are composed of characters that are *never used outside of that specific word*. < 1338883469 735499 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I had no idea. That's like Ancient Egyptian, actually. < 1338883472 756205 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Chinese) < 1338883475 47194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are pronunced differently ;) < 1338883477 114086 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, precisely. < 1338883484 772815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese gets things much more confusing. < 1338883515 190087 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They take each glyph's semantic components and fudge it to apply to Japanese. And then borrow a lot of words from Chinese, and write them as the Chinese would. < 1338883540 129631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Over the course of centuries, with Japanese *and* Chinese pronunciation changing over time. < 1338883575 990426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where Chinese has each glyph mapping to a single syllable, Japanese has each glyph mapping to anywhere from 1 to 10 different *strings*. < 1338883651 402483 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :上 is perhaps the worst. ue, noboru, nobori, agaru, ageru, jou... Those are just the readings off the top of my head. < 1338883744 563652 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, that character just means "up". < 1338883865 118519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why doesn't NetHack have Crawl's 5? < 1338883870 322965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dictionary suggests: agari, -agari, agaru, -agaru, ageru, -ageru, ue, -ue, uwa-, kami, nobosu, noboseru, nobori, noboru, yosu, shan, shou, jou, aoi, age, i, ka, kaki, kazu, kan, kou, hotsu. < 1338883885 108467 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everything after "jou" is name-only, though) < 1338884046 811969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338884053 578284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338884056 831255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338884063 580152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :上がり、上がる、上げる、上、上、上、上す、上せる、上り、上る、上す、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上、上 written in kanji & kana... < 1338884066 110939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read: "Someone once ? id th?t wh?t gces up < right c?me cc?n >".--More-- < 1338884090 220712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not? < 1338884096 658981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nethack or crawl? < 1338884100 268439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1338884125 27851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember what that is about, haven't played nethack for ages < 1338884139 952272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you find it? tombstone? < 1338884149 299280 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And there's *only one reading of that in Mandarin*! This makes me weep tears of joy. < 1338884159 107225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just on the floor, I think. < 1338884169 283935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. :( < 1338884183 660191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1338884198 669226 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's Crawl's 5? < 1338884219 292121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It rests for 100 turns, or until something happens (where "something happens" includes "full MP/HP"). < 1338884239 165776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just press it and your HP zooms up; it rarely takes more than three presses to get it up unless you're disturbed or poisoned. < 1338884253 484317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With NetHack I have to press 50. a lot and it goes so slowly and wastes time after I end up at full HP. :( < 1338884274 11772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't NetHack have something like that with 5. or was it ADOM or what that had the convenient 5 < 1338884285 203200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch nethack to fix it? < 1338884286 409453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. would rest for five turns < 1338884294 151484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numpad 5 < 1338884329 337948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some roguelike you can press e.g. 56 on the numpad and it goes east until it sees something new... it's probably NH or ADOM but I forget which. < 1338884420 620833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Numpad 5 does not exist. < 1338884427 567051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's shift+direction < 1338884433 156009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H goes left a bunch, et.c < 1338884434 241297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc. < 1338884437 820102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably ADOM then. < 1338884441 52742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-. is of course >. < 1338884471 398332 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338884525 818440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you playing on nao? < 1338884535 78944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I just died. But now I'm playing again. < 1338884561 964473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, squarelos died *already*? < 1338884562 205645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, name? < 1338884565 931854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ehird. < 1338884569 257726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338884629 651262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP squarelos, killed by a dart. < 1338884808 909833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice pick. < 1338884945 697217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, hungry < 1338884953 278851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops? < 1338884965 641465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't bother worrying about hunger until I end up weak. < 1338884968 751325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1338884971 774667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338884978 80011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although being satiated is nice. < 1338884982 262975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1338884982 422645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1338884986 971347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot you're not meant to eat dogs or cats. < 1338884988 235752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1338885091 153359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the mines < 1338885106 862436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're less boring than the dungeon. < 1338885114 559058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1338885146 535254 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338885163 181352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiee, don't pick up unidentified gray stones < 1338885169 654917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1338885171 9450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a loadstone < 1338885172 180460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a gem. < 1338885179 8495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of unobservant. < 1338885195 975492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :being unobservant is lethal in nethac < 1338885198 161301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack* < 1338885219 242515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather suspect it's the only thing that is lethal. < 1338885247 226086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1338885250 195852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can I get away with skipping Sokoban? < 1338885269 225819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to do sokoban, but it is actually not that hard IMO < 1338885277 704948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is kind of useful to do < 1338885278 139874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard, it's just boring. I use spoilers. < 1338885308 126755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885327 378786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you playing wiz? < 1338885334 58362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1338885337 552215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to cast spells. < 1338885339 81588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338885353 331681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1338885364 844635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing my god loves me < 1338885368 57233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't watching, what did you eat? < 1338885379 214012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome corpse, but I had just done 50. a bunch to restore points first < 1338885385 234645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338885427 459088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mines have a lot better layout than the dungeon. < 1338885441 162547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two nymphs? Come on. < 1338885445 448522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch yeah < 1338885451 572085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarelos!!! < 1338885454 846733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338885465 18407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat. < 1338885468 343251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it a bone level? < 1338885472 819502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got down here somehow. < 1338885475 527280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, quite likely. < 1338885476 702815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it died? < 1338885480 624127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it did. < 1338885494 181620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my cat's ghost is seriously about to kill me. < 1338885497 609414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1338885514 415248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one of those scrolls could probably save you < 1338885521 227536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows which one < 1338885529 331849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My potion of healing saved me. :p < 1338885533 502523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that too < 1338885541 903307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used a consumable; that means I've lost.) < 1338885550 852885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1338885565 797691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every consumable you use means you've done something wrong. In good games, at least. < 1338885570 79743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1338885574 143070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1338885574 640276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I died. < 1338885581 150848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :id stuff please < 1338885584 438732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have dug for victory. < 1338885584 701462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1338885589 730165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1338885592 840731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skipped it before you said that. < 1338885593 620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1338885596 144922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338885601 169416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be in the file, no? < 1338885611 222991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, trying to remember the url though < 1338885647 695826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=ehird < 1338885648 779338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338885650 820965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it listed? < 1338885662 859091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338885670 229069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the dumplog < 1338885678 716357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/e/ehird/dumplog/1338884538.nh343.txt < 1338885679 430528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here. < 1338885681 668958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338885688 842587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : H - an uncursed worthless piece of red glass < 1338885689 555974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1338885714 85725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did the gray stone go? < 1338885743 990148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dropped it. < 1338885757 940489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not a loadstone (or a blessed one when you picked it up) < 1338885776 457477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I like the "You were lucky (1) You are dead" < 1338885803 727773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I played NetHack six times on 2012-04-15, and don't remember it in the slightest? < 1338885812 171434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885824 466528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just checked http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-04-15. < 1338885827 178094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sleep-deprived. < 1338885829 24949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. < 1338885868 397683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, NetHack is boring. < 1338885895 8288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1338885905 810368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you have to do is repeatedly do the obvious thing and double-check everything at each step so you don't make a mistake out of boredom. < 1338885907 859275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I haven't played it in over a year now < 1338885914 62939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, this might be less true later on.) < 1338885918 563677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm too bored to get there.) < 1338885924 80962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338885964 955448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Crawl more, even though its earlygame is even worse. < 1338885973 513966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it practically automates it for you. < 1338885983 683352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, haven't got around to playing crawl yet < 1338886012 37180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bunch of crappy flaws and the earlygame is awful and there's lots of stupid things. < 1338886024 238074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's way too long. < 1338886030 59468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fun, approx. from the first rune onwards. < 1338886035 473460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338886050 543297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl Light is better except for the ways in which it's worse, although I'm trying to correct those by prodding dtsund. < 1338886069 796965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338886078 330152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, if you do play Crawl, CDO has low lag in Europe. < 1338886091 648065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1338886101 601126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the default settings are basically reasonable; you don't need to tweak them. And don't play hugeterm.) < 1338886110 771306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally start playing locally while I'm learning the game < 1338886121 821766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm? < 1338886130 67315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm = terminal larger than 80x24. < 1338886134 266956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messes up ttyrecs. Is uncool. < 1338886140 523723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like large terms < 1338886145 438388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough. < 1338886148 462847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase your font size. < 1338886159 993819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your LOS is limited enough that it doesn't help you at all in Crawl, anyway. < 1338886163 88402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in many chars wide / high < 1338886166 618944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the message list is several lines long anyway.) < 1338886169 688699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tough. < 1338886182 500501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt I will have time to play crawl any time soon < 1338886191 582701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw seen the last humble bundle? It is quite amazing < 1338886202 338075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't play Crawl if you're going to use hugeterm. < 1338886230 19612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amnesia, limbo, bastion, psychonauts and some game I forgot the name of < 1338886237 24211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the bundle. < 1338886240 860504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338886284 566580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I owned bastion before already, excellent game. Bought the bundle because I wanted Psyconauts. Which turned out to be just as awesome as I had heard it was. < 1338886392 587837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I need to leave, bye. Will be back in the afternoon < 1338886393 267248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1338886406 644617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1338886415 838769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1338886420 558620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1338888702 164395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"psychonauts = awesomenauts" - Vorpal < 1338888900 193124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "which it is \"btw\"" < 1338888907 640894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338888917 148523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts. < 1338888923 402069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the future. < 1338888936 423122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338888946 932541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover knows. < 1338888968 182566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover can't play Psychonauts. < 1338888984 305172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1338888985 919115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why "knot" < 1338889031 239333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, what attributes can a cell have with standard ANSI stuff? < 1338889039 67253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colour, bold/high intensity, what else? < 1338889047 233777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess italic? At least, some terminals can do italic. < 1338889050 356091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is inverted an attribute? < 1338889056 623657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338889061 664438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blink is too. < 1338889064 535206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, background colour, of course. (Which can also be high intensity? I guess that's an attribute of the colour, rather than of the glyph itself.) < 1338889078 508002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know that high intensity backgrounds show as bright for some and blinking for others. < 1338889081 354366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI < 1338889083 795036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess they're represented by the same thing(?) < 1338889099 802382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say. < 1338889103 614892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1338889104 605015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blink is its own thing? < 1338889122 817966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ask that question just to say that? < 1338889128 155470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, no points. < 1338889145 515140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889149 8162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually implementing it now. < 1338889152 847988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Cell = Cell < 1338889153 33204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { cellGlyph :: Char < 1338889153 191569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , } < 1338889154 473555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data View = View < 1338889156 468147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { viewSize :: Point < 1338889158 554087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : , viewOld :: Vector Cell(Char, Attribute) < 1338889160 542442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1338889162 527536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1338889166 416114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my editor window right now. < 1338889179 746439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I get points? < 1338889199 561093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, < 1338889205 254513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing. :"(() < 1338889214 342736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing my simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338889216 393493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why can't you play Psychonauts? < 1338889217 420833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to use curses. < 1338889236 364893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you do the display part as a completely separate program, please? < 1338889237 524480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, floating point exception if I talk to Oleander right at the start. < 1338889245 515898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the nethack-emacs thing. < 1338889248 332509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which version? < 1338889276 593250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I will be fully separating display and what-you-can-see calculation (in fact, I've devoted a lot of thought to ways to do that nicely); however, I don't really feel like limiting my communication methods to text. < 1338889278 219104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the @ inside me. < 1338889285 381585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they'll be linked into the same binary, because Unix can't do anything else. < 1338889293 666313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in @, of course...) < 1338889303 557319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack-emacs does S-expressions? < 1338889310 294380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, by "text" I mean "bytes".) < 1338889311 286743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, totally not text. < 1338889313 131343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Serialised as bytes. < 1338889325 503488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(De)serialisation code is a kludge. < 1338889335 221289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy for that shit, man. < 1338889344 403685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much of a kludge as LINKING IT INTO THE SAME BINARY. < 1338889359 872466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, where does it give the version? < 1338889364 108326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you write everything in shell, then, if linking is too much coupling for you? < 1338889366 118096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "as they say on the internet", "baking it in" < 1338889368 469309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The version is whatever comes with the HB. < 1338889369 720865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, what platform? < 1338889394 639537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338889395 757545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is, don't make it NetHack, OK? < 1338889396 269243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My Real Roguelike will have a machine-readable-and-writable kludge UI for bots. < 1338889398 647405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I'm running it on Arch, if that's what you mean? < 1338889405 154327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this isn't going to be my Real Roguelike. < 1338889410 32849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, there's your problem. < 1338889412 645216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just an experiment. < 1338889416 793746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should run it on Windows. < 1338889419 483311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION solves problem.
< 1338889426 581960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might end up doing the simultaneous-turn thing in my Real Roguelike. < 1338889428 567059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most likely not. < 1338889433 822622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have I told you about the simultaneous-turn thing? < 1338889437 889669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't wanna use Windoooowws < 1338889439 428794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889441 558514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Seriously though, you should try it on Windows. It works for Skyrim.) < 1338889443 793087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now is too late for that. < 1338889448 246375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Tough! < 1338889454 588230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, so, you know in roguelikes, you and monsters get turns in a round-robin sort of order thing? < 1338889456 315991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, seriously. I'm going to sleep. < 1338889461 500795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you do something, every other monster gets to see what you did? < 1338889464 747563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eventually when I feel like using Windows again < 1338889464 930594 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338889466 388207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hold that thought, dawg" < 1338889471 608883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Imagine if, instead, everybody decided on their turn simultaneously. < 1338889480 973102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, you could sidestep ranged attacks on the same turn they're made. < 1338889488 669993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a chance of dodging melee attacks by moving during combat. < 1338889491 725155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1338889501 179292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have two offensive explody spells collide in midair. < 1338889502 13524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've imagined it. < 1338889505 409139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what? < 1338889508 297340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the power of SIMULTANEOUS-TURN ROGUELIKES! < 1338889515 355075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like fun. So I'm writing a little roguelike to test it out. < 1338889518 380669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if it's fun. < 1338889520 548659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will be. < 1338889532 907284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also a pain to code, because you have to handle all these interactions of simultaneous actions. < 1338889540 625291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's pretty much all. < 1338889567 553514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monsters are now totally exposed to the power of the simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338889575 609566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bad. :( < 1338889603 604042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe if I make it use the system libSDL and libopenal. < 1338889627 798389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Psychonauts is, like, worth it, man. < 1338889635 943165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you played Psychonauts? < 1338889641 746866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338889650 263057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone told you what a depressing game it was? < 1338889662 86405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first impressions weren't great, but that was mainly just because I thought the interface was clumsily diegetic. < 1338889672 222526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, the interface is terrible. < 1338889680 228495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to get past the first few worlds before it gets interesting. < 1338889733 773050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should do it anyway. < 1338889795 666468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet Psychonauts isn't as good as Rayman 2. < 1338889805 977316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you're wrong. < 1338889820 948074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No. Rayman 2 is ~the best 3D platforming game of all time. < 1338889825 61332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, do you mean as a game or as an "experience"? < 1338889825 323729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. < 1338889831 184768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1338889835 499503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've never played Rayman 2, but I don't like 3D platformers much. < 1338889846 239788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rayman 2 is Different. < 1338889849 557414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's different because it's good.) < 1338889855 619671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is different? < 1338889857 489053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts. < 1338889871 357525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Psychonauts: It's different" < 1338889894 57057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rayman 3 is also Different! And good. (Possibly a better game? But a less... I don't know the word.)) < 1338889908 682463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's better as a game but perhaps less impressive as an experience, I guess. Your terminology wins.) < 1338889912 133606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am defeated.) < 1338889914 374727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you get the HB thing? < 1338889917 537583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. < 1338889918 317182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will. < 1338889957 115003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1338889984 97015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a cheapskate. < 1338890007 835486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Er, the average is probably going to go up over time from now. < 1338890012 586795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll end up paying more. < 1338890026 148832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why the hell have you not bought it. < 1338890063 14288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because why bother? < 1338890069 318802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy it later when the whim takes me. < 1338890080 927675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like cheapskating this one, anyway. < 1338890085 765624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick whim < 1338890120 190758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#CSI_codes guurhg < 1338890146 16950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just wait until you hear about "the other" escape codes. < 1338890158 708958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which are those? < 1338890172 410624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the xterm ones. < 1338890177 208181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the ones used for the mouse. < 1338890184 754786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Good thing I don't care about the mouse! < 1338890210 623023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a good time echo -e '\e(0'" < 1338890215 572780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a library you can link with that lets you output ANSI stuff and it displays in an SDL window stuff? < 1338890222 15083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*window thing? < 1338890224 826662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1338890229 377695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. For running on platforms without convenient terminal things. < 1338890229 593755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have the good time yet? < 1338890235 190919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good time? < 1338890236 275706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338890237 319649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it. < 1338890246 579271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-3.2$ echo -e '\e(0' < 1338890246 739218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\e(0 < 1338890247 758750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointing. < 1338890252 894640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong echo. < 1338890274 106283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a good time echo $'\e(0'" < 1338890281 609528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1338890282 555721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-3.2$ printf '\e(0' < 1338890282 737420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :␉▒⎽␤-3.2$ < 1338890282 897602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :␉▒⎽␤-3.2$ A␤ ≤␊⎽, ├␤␋⎽ ├␤␋┼±. < 1338890284 7637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :␉▒⎽␤: A␤: ␌⎺└└▒┼␍ ┼⎺├ °⎺┤┼␍ < 1338890286 536485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Ah yes, this thing.") < 1338890302 181395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the line-drawing thing! < 1338890309 514086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect for drawing the walls of a dungeon in NetHack. < 1338890317 151234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Or you could just: use Unicode! < 1338890357 526027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just so you know, your paste messed up my IRC client. < 1338890359 889291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks paste" < 1338890365 209768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear < 1338890376 780220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1338890440 261988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Play Psychonauts and then tell me whether Rayman 2 is better. < 1338890446 142188 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play is generally turnbased in abstract chess(what i called it before i learned fairy chess existed). A way to have simultaneous movement however is for each player to write down their move and present them together." < 1338890461 832311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but Rayman 2 has childhood and nostalgia on its side. < 1338890465 477617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is I'll make serious consideration to acquire it and play it. < 1338890475 162765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hah! Psychonauts doesn't! < 1338890476 560762 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any conflicts could be resolved by repeating the process. repeated conflicts could be resolved by banning that move for all teams." < 1338890484 793631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. So it'll probably lose :) < 1338890498 647333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last sentence sounds like nonsense actually < 1338890514 319661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (Honestly, Rayman 2's gameplay is pretty simple. But it's fun.) < 1338890540 58263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rayman 3's is more elaborate and probably funner, but Rayman 2 has more nostalgia on its side.) < 1338890540 977951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, for me. < 1338890548 779829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1338890563 27264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talk about how it's good even though I only played it within the last few years at most. < 1338890631 261020 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, i mean if one was playing a multiplayer roguelike.. each player would write down their move and pass it to an independant game master, who would announce the outcome of that turn < 1338890647 731664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I mean... I only played Rayman 2 in like... god, I forget years. < 1338890654 348704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only played Rayman 3 in like 2003! Or 2004. < 1338890669 23925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, three, uh, nine years ag— WOW nine fucking years?? Jesus fucking christ < 1338890679 345813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the planet < 1338890682 50141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338890705 811947 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theres always @ < 1338890720 223726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ...That's true. < 1338890908 110189 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens if 2 mobs(?) try to occupy the same square in the same turn? < 1338890930 300753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, there's underline too. < 1338890934 478858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why is inversion an attribute? < 1338890940 437555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you just swap background and foreground? < 1338890964 593540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: One wins. Possibly it's treated as a scuffle of some kind and one or both of them accrue damage. < 1338891318 403020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also how NetHack works. < 1338891335 289239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you try to move into an empty square to find out that your pet moved into it just before you did. < 1338891487 891516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, really? < 1338891489 365374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that. < 1338891494 251849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack is supposed to be turn-based. < 1338891497 712901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you are sleeping. < 1338891523 267960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338891563 94048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338891729 200676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338891735 199408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you sleeping soundly? < 1338891762 403049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wish I was. :-( < 1338891770 614455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sleep is inconsistent. < 1338891782 648887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GET; IT;) < 1338891785 713728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338891834 697052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain. < 1338891864 945398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsound. < 1338891867 739489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also erratic. < 1338891903 584325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the joke. < 1338891926 468553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1338891949 172105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked if I was sleeping soundly. < 1338891953 573761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe *you* were making a joke. < 1338891983 750759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1338891985 232340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious. < 1338891991 117941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are so funny. < 1338891998 708294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's what they say: < 1338892003 588962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1338892080 262750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You'd watch PH play NetHack right now, right? < 1338892082 907843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be hilarious. < 1338892186 935951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts still gives an FP exception even without its own libraries. < 1338892200 411404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: W i n d o w s < 1338892225 224703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I'm going to sleep. < 1338892229 650885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can do it! < 1338892235 405734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Psychonauts running. < 1338892241 628980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like: < 1338892243 436570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pshittynauts < 1338892251 815811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who went there i went there < 1338892302 241845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I have an existing game on NAO. < 1338892305 227006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And don't give up on it immediately this time when you get it running. < 1338892307 383754 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they call themselves america when excluding canada < 1338892318 208804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Get past the levitation world at least. < 1338892330 9787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the game is full of easter eggs that you should look for. < 1338892339 354176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhantomHoo < 1338892348 632042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like how you don't use statuscolors. < 1338892352 924585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the thing where everyone turns out to be depressed and suicidal! That's a good easter egg. < 1338892389 630949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I didn't give up on it? < 1338892401 54035 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best easter eggs are made of chocolate < 1338892402 546625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good! < 1338892410 853760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like how you saved a game on D:2. < 1338892411 218008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, statuscolours??/ < 1338892414 307627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338892418 733275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your HP would go red when it was low. < 1338892424 919769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just copy my rc file. < 1338892426 948178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "the best". < 1338892439 140921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "okay" < 1338892443 912863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you hate life" < 1338892447 202501 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i liked easter more pre-diabetes < 1338892476 505628 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-diabetes it's all about avoiding relatives and drinking diet coke < 1338892501 988641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my diabetes isn't under control well enough for me to avoid sugar... < 1338892517 62538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you use numpad. < 1338892519 955549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you use numpad. < 1338892522 30082 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1338892533 949324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell would I use numpad. < 1338892547 331866 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5123? < 1338892562 319644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have played literally 42 games of NetHack ever wow you are so bad. < 1338892581 30981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it locally too. < 1338892584 852847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuure < 1338892602 24875 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many choices on the numpad /789 8456 5123 < 1338892604 752507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How many games have you played; < 1338892608 22985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT: 0 < 1338892610 482564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Some. < 1338892621 919862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nice burdening. < 1338892646 448371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sleep. < 1338892651 382311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should read that scroll! < 1338892653 92094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Get you-know-what set up. < 1338892662 504536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't listen to elliott. < 1338892668 814055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I'm going to do stupid things just so you get annoyed at me. < 1338892670 185397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "elliott" is derived from the word "lie" < 1338892673 525295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STARTING WITH READING THAT SCROLL < 1338892674 209784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"e-lie-ot" < 1338892681 908538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's a good thing to say before doing stupid thing unintentionally. < 1338892684 640334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things < 1338892685 7224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1338892722 852776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to sleep.
< 1338892734 461430 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338892804 934885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SUEW, `SLEEP'. < 1338892921 249150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You look like you know what you're doing even less than I do. < 1338892947 46774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I know that several of the things I'm doing are stupid, see above. < 1338892951 967775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... slightly more than I do? < 1338892976 4634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 11:38 Phantom_Hoover: That's a good thing to say before doing stupid thing unintentionally. < 1338892980 408624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:38 *things < 1338892992 923304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm definitely doing them deliberately. < 1338893003 325897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't eat mold corpses when I'm playing sensibly, for one thing. < 1338893017 791377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never read random scrolls or drink random potions. < 1338893059 557648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that the place i live doesn't have nearly enough random scrolls or potions for my liking < 1338893093 685980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should dig for victory. < 1338893106 373151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have any digging impliments. < 1338893121 268442 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into your backyard and break a branch off a tree! < 1338893124 134084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIT < 1338893127 287158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338893146 331197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK um < 1338893148 677469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should follow the guide on [[nethackwiki:Digging for victory]]. < 1338893151 752750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they keep throwing weapons < 1338893152 328859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :play minecraft real life < 1338893157 893115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also your HP is still 35 so I'm not sure why you are worrying. < 1338893163 748662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't kill this wizard < 1338893172 372146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyll probably just kill each other < 1338893193 509039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hilarious < 1338893344 780546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear food poisoning. < 1338893349 418904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY ANCIENT NEMESIS < 1338893370 386581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what < 1338893372 913124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you not pray < 1338893388 152610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338893562 800779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: congrats you "lose" < 1338893804 597395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338893905 430718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338895344 394692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait you can pray to get rid of food poisoning < 1338895349 859964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was like breaking a nail in df < 1338895359 953611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure do suck at nethack < 1338895559 210037 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheist conduct < 1338895737 797256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you know shachaf ascended atheist wishless? Observe: < 1338895740 399211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog atheist wishless < 1338895777 966802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338895784 23585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1338895807 852174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1338895810 975028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog wishless atheist < 1338895824 755889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338895831 28271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1338895841 140258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm-hm. < 1338895925 221037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shachaf.*atheist < 1338895932 379784 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-15.txt:06:37:52: You were an atheist < 1338895935 989786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shachaf.*atheist < 1338895944 5420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-15.txt:06:36:52: elliott: But have you ASCENDED NETHACK ATHEIST WISHLESS < 1338895949 366971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: See? < 1338895982 49400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1338896026 917905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But do you? < 1338896036 846826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how to see. < 1338896048 188366 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate for you. < 1338896073 626084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you? < 1338896124 809425 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1338896132 586083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Isn't it not? < 1338896140 706716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1338896148 445375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1338896441 828500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you know about VT100? < 1338896473 563124 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1338896480 355345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The codes, and stuff. < 1338896488 691594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Like, you know how you can copy text from terminals? < 1338896495 119928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it won't pad it out with a lot of spaces to fill the width? < 1338896501 600849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between a cell with nothing in it and a cell with a space in it? < 1338896508 471064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I place a cell with nothing in it at a certain position? How? < 1338896535 706592 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is probably just that there's a line break in the middle of the line. :-P < 1338896583 935946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah, so you can put an '\n' in a cell? < 1338896597 274907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So could I fill the entire terminal with '\n's as a "clear" state? < 1338896603 779850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How does mosh handle this? I know it "synchronises" a terminal. < 1338896615 966460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ostensibly it must be able to make a cell that has something in it not have something in it any more. < 1338896617 122175 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can do that directly. < 1338896660 688970 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to clear the terminal, there's a CSI sequence for that. < 1338896741 760131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Mm, but that's inconvenient for my architecture. < 1338896760 775885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your architecture needs tweaking. < 1338896772 900560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I consider the terminal to be an 80x24 blob of cell values; I keep track of the "old" state, and updates get filtered into a separate update map, and then I update the terminal accordingly. < 1338896779 990723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That is what I am trying to achieve by asking these questions. < 1338896824 625905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing? < 1338896855 212746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Implementing my simultaneous-turn roguelike. < 1338896857 239332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to use curses. < 1338896917 139199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can't you set your internal blob to all-blank while issuing the "clear screen" sequence? < 1338896946 840004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should optimize your updates by using the region-scroll/copy/move stuffs. I remember reading websites with lynx on the VT510, and it was the funkiest, the way blocks of characters would just go all around the place when it decided to reuse some already-on-the-screen stuffs. < 1338896964 100584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, it's a fixed-size vector; there's not really a concept of "all-blank". More generally, the initial fill *does* have some relevant properties (for instance, black background); I would rather not special-case that kind of thing. < 1338896971 182422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Remember that when I overwrite text, it may be with a shorter string. < 1338896983 559118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll need to replace cells with "emptiness" even if I special-case the initialt hing. < 1338896994 208649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That... might actually be useful, since I have a scrolling viewport. < 1338897001 290857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it's too fiddly for me to consider. < 1338897020 325286 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The concept of "all-blank" would be "spaces in every cell". If you need to keep track of the size, do that separately. Likewise for blank vs. space, if you need that differentiation. < 1338897046 496945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK. So I fill the terminal with spaces. Now I want to display this text in the top-left corner: < 1338897050 72434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1338897051 184092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, world. < 1338897059 763009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when the user copies it, I want there to be no spaces after "world.". < 1338897067 763783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I change? < 1338897124 430370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (By the way, what happened to "optomize"?) < 1338897125 370335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you implementing a terminal or running in another one? If you're running in some existing terminal, I would imagine that after issuing the "clear screen" sequence that would work fine. I.e. only do the "all spaces" thing internally. < 1338897137 117027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Running in another one. < 1338897142 114687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ew. < 1338897145 532243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean now. < 1338897146 839485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gross. < 1338897155 983498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, if I insert < 1338897157 508759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Foo bar" < 1338897160 647661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing the "all spaces" thing externally is gross IMO. < 1338897162 777909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would result in no space being inserted after foo. < 1338897170 582683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to synchronise the internal state with the external state. < 1338897179 9775 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would that result in no space? < 1338897179 691331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since there's already a space between foo and bar, or so it thinks, it would simply skip that cell. < 1338897186 590971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:52 Doing the "all spaces" thing externally is gross IMO. < 1338897187 520192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1338897192 130309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I was asking what I should do that wasn't that. < 1338897195 57092 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you need to internally differentiate between "space" and "blank". < 1338897202 370061 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a dirty bit on each cell, or something. < 1338897211 332201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Remember the part where I have to turn some cells from non-blank into blank? < 1338897217 465611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When replacing a line with a shorter one. < 1338897233 230501 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, what's the problem there? < 1338897243 571956 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Externally: erase rest of line. Internally: assign blank to cells. < 1338897255 598790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I have to special-case lines too? < 1338897271 44518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of this is to insulate me from the terminal's vagaries and treat it as a simple block display :P < 1338897299 729062 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplest way to do that is to clear the screen at every time. :-P < 1338897310 624145 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, special-case lines. < 1338897321 104382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that's why the corresponding CSI sequences exist. < 1338897335 652331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could "special-case lines" by synchronising blank cells with clear line sequences, I suppose. < 1338897345 133231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I run into impossible states like a blank cell in the middle of a line. < 1338897367 258967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know mosh treats the terminal as just a block display to be synchronised, so I'm hopeful it has some nice solution. (Thus the kmc ping.) < 1338897380 521758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else I misunderstand mosh's architecture.) < 1338897394 636588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe its solution is to use curses, which handles the vagaries internally. :-P < 1338897488 607664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm pretty sure software which deals with UTF-8 vt220 state machines and whatever "ISO 2022 locking escape sequences" are would not use curses. < 1338897503 909265 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, beats me. < 1338897505 173971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially given the whole "handles awkward Unicode edge-cases better than terminal software" thing. < 1338897505 695657 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta run --> < 1338897513 224336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME < 1338897520 996477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote jump out < 1338897524 446963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :49) no Deewiant No?! I've been living a lie yep. Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1338897741 387432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you tested if it works right if you just make blanks by using the "erase character" ECH escape sequence? Though ECH is apparently not part of the plain VT100 set. ("Delete" is, but it moves stuff in from the right side.) < 1338897752 928970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ECH part of, then? < 1338897762 351814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I haven't really written any code to output ANSI sequences at all yet, but this sounds promising. < 1338897810 33874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to use anything that xterm/(u)rxvt/gnome-terminal/Konsole don't support, more or less.) < 1338897817 574872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECH is in at least the Linux console_codes, xterm's list of codes, the VT200 set, and ECMA-48, so it's not *terribly* rare. < 1338897832 356423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT200 sounds good enough for me. < 1338897840 287394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it VT220, though? < 1338897873 823759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (What is the code?) < 1338897905 152350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's... slightly suboptimal, in that I'll output an awful lot of them at the end of a line. < 1338897922 256890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT200 as in "VT2xx". And it's \e[nX where n's the number if characters to erase. < 1338897923 874591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just realised now that I probably can't make much use of blanks at all. < 1338897944 114704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, I can. < 1338897951 18963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1338897955 86216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how I organise my layout. < 1338897959 790719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nX, I suppose, if one wants to be real fancy and 8-bit. < 1338897984 240024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What happens if you have "a.b" and then erase the ".", I wonder...) < 1338898034 977519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will "cause the active presentation position and the n-1 following character positions in the presentation component to be put in the erased state", if you want the ECMA description of what happens. < 1338898056 621842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... rather vague. < 1338898069 113808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT220 manual says "Erasing removes characters from the screen without affecting other characters on the screen. Erased characters are lost. The cursor position does not change when erasing characters or lines." < 1338898103 850586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also puts erase-character in the same group as the usual erase-in-line "clear to the end of line/start of line/complete line" code, so it presumably should be somewhat similar. < 1338898117 164961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, VT220 doesn't really have a way to select text with the mouse. < 1338898121 156611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the behaviour I'm interested in. < 1338898224 339533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does "a beside b" imply a is to the left of b? If not, is the a verb instead of "beside" that does? < 1338898231 386638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "a above b" implies a is to the... upwards of b. < 1338898264 671506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leftof" is so a verb. < 1338898271 515307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not. :( < 1338898283 321506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, "beside" isn't even a verb. < 1338898284 222123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS it? < 1338898285 124522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Is < 1338898286 926992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate language. < 1338898428 173105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, echo 'foo ' in my terminal results in "foo" with three selectable spaces after, and echo -e 'foo \e[3D\e[3X' doesn't really help, while echo -e 'foo \e[3D\e[K' propely makes just a 'foo' with no selectable spaces after, so maybe you do have to clear to end of line to get short lines. < 1338898452 851630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who *invented* terminals? < 1338898462 444049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just use Qt or something and use a proper text field for my status line. < 1338898490 923814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 'foobar\e[3D\e[3X < 1338898499 777582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :' gives a 'foo ' too.) < 1338898505 288974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the silly spaces.) < 1338898600 680273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, teach me about VT colours. < 1338898613 924916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how some terminals interpret blinking as blinking, and some interpret it as setting the background colour to high intensity? < 1338898635 247558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get, e.g. a dark grey (i.e. high-intensity black) background in a "portable" way? (portable, n. works on xterm without configuration) < 1338898912 843875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny definition of portable, having just one terminal emulator there. (Anyway, I think it's still possible to compile xterm without 16-colour support, in which case you can't get that at all.) < 1338898930 684507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By "xterm", I mean "xterm and rxvt and so on". < 1338898946 343547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The reason I say it that way is because you can set rxvt to treat it as high-intensity background etc. etc. but that doesn't count as "portable". < 1338898949 293762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should Just Work. < 1338899005 622679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more generally: Is there any way to do it other than setting blink? < 1338899009 227568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(256colors need not apply.) < 1338899028 327850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fore/background "bright color" codes 90..107 should I think Just Work in the sense that they at least won't start blinking, presumably in xterm- and rxvt-derived stuffs. Not so sure about Linux console, though. < 1338899065 263737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :90..97 are bright versions of 30..37 and 100..107 of 40..47 in the \e[...m construction. < 1338899067 50065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in any standard? Will the foreground versions show as bold in a terminal emulator set to display bold text as thickened, or just as bright? < 1338899100 813008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those should be just bright colours, since they don't involve the bold attribute '1' there. < 1338899119 224751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Hmm. < 1338899124 646886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit worried about the portability of that. < 1338899131 147307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wondering if it'll work in gnome-terminal, for instance.) < 1338899358 350665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (So is it in any standard?) < 1338899415 203428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://bjh21.me.uk/all-escapes/all-escapes.txt not really. I'm not sure if there's anything more standard to get a bright background, though. < 1338899434 409068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the "bold is bright" foreground thing isn't exactly global. < 1338899458 885771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1338899477 736136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, theoretically, I could just use these universally and fully decouple bright/not-bright from bold, right? < 1338899491 170370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I couldn't have a non-bright bold cell, because it'd end up becoming bright.) < 1338899501 374277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bit wary of this...) < 1338899530 405344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you toggle bold on, it'd become bold, bright, or bold and bright, depending. < 1338899549 422749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Terminals are a mess.) < 1338899634 941087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe I'll just not use colours at all. < 1338899640 900561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old-school style. < 1338899676 386856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does anyone have a Linux console handy?) < 1338899757 119774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA-48 specifies a hilariously long list of attributes for SGR (i.e. \e[...m). You can have things blink slowly or rapidly, you can have characters concealed or crossed-out-but-still-legible, you can use first, second, ..., ninth alternative font, you can enable fraktur mode, you can have the stuff framed and/or encircled, whatever. < 1338899791 156939 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraktur mode? < 1338899872 499831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it does nothing in my terminal. < 1338900001 537955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hardly ever supported" -- Wikipedia (uncited) < 1338900038 193581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an old-fashioned "vgacon" Linux console, I doubt you can get a bright background no matter what you do, since I think it's -- unless you do tricks -- stuck in the default text mode, which has Blink Enable on, so there's just three bits of attributes for the background color physically. < 1338900070 836850 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you need linux terminal for? < 1338900077 771654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Console. < 1338900083 953657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aw. < 1338900090 129320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But framebuffer??? < 1338900117 741036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another thing, I wouldn't be surprised if fbcon didn't do blink at all. < 1338900130 466629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it'd need to manually blink that stuff. < 1338900142 845454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like the sort of thing they wouldn't have bothered to implement. < 1338900331 523770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a framebuffer console on this thing, ISTR it didn't play nice with the nvidia driver. On vgacon, bold ('1') will make foreground bright, and blink ('5') will make things blink, but the bright-colour codes don't do anything at all. < 1338900487 834349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is awkward. < 1338900508 451267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to just stick with sixteen backgrounds, sixteen foregrounds, and a "bold" attribute, with the understanding that it'll either make it bold or brighten the foreground or both. < 1338900516 776957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an underline attribute. Which will hopefully just... underline. < 1338900539 59121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, why is inverse a separate attribute? < 1338900543 696080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just swap the background and foreground instead. < 1338900552 29042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does lo-fi stuff support inverse but not background/foreground colours? < 1338900561 339345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very common, yes. < 1338900643 990976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have a funny definition of "very". I like it. < 1338900665 917596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet NetHack supports things that only support inverse and not background/foreground colours. < 1338900673 30700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And actually uses it, I mean.) < 1338900680 753281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, if you have a non-color terminal, it'll still do inverse. My VT420 and VT510 were like that. < 1338900837 7136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338900838 486258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If". < 1338900957 180983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you meant that everyone has non-color terminals < 1338900987 627678 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you own physical terminals? < 1338901016 831053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I used to, but I gave one of them away to a friend, and the smoke came out of the other one. < 1338901056 966942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have one under my desk for IRC purposes, I think. < 1338901068 970619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there were people visiting, for example. < 1338901092 214240 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you ever attach one to serial port of linux machine and use it from there < 1338901098 105619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you give me an algorithm that goes from a two-dimensional map of coordinates and replacement cells to put there to an ~optimal sequence of ANSI codes to perform those updates? < 1338901128 125818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, that's how I mostly used it. < 1338901158 523772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VT510 was very fancy. It did text modes up to something like 50 lines, and had a hardware status line, and a built-in calculator and whatever. < 1338901169 133633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nnno, I don't think I can. < 1338901178 793297 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :built in calculator? < 1338901179 362098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it doesn't have to be optimal optimal. < 1338901181 544862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just, you know. < 1338901193 128888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do clever things like optimise the order in which to move about so it can use shorter movement sequences. < 1338901196 25093 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did it have some kind of microprocessor in it? < 1338901268 905450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sure, I mean, it has to decode the codes, and present a setup menu and whatnot. If you pressed the right magic keys, it gave you a "graphical" (line-drawing characters) desk calculator thing. There was a key to paste the result in as if you had typed it. < 1338901283 546294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i take it bacj < 1338901309 633151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie. :( < 1338901320 588536 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. a real terminal would be nice to have < 1338901345 317319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also had a menu-driven configuration thing. I mean, look at this stuff: http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/f2-21.png < 1338901353 361722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a clock. < 1338901380 214036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very configurable thing. < 1338901387 732700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too much configuration. :( < 1338901400 154084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/chapter2 lotsa menus. < 1338901433 334295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many character sets, too. < 1338901456 196542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO there should be at most 2.45 buttons on everything and one of them does nothing (it is there to reassure you). < 1338901469 27525 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that thing would pass for GUI I have designed if it didn't have that blocky text "Terminal Set-Up" < 1338901522 384206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has local copy-paste support too. < 1338901562 575272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/chapter3 <- there's a picture of the calculator. < 1338901634 398569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hard status line was funky too, with screen. < 1338901653 709505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is the algorithm done yet? < 1338901658 225283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be too hard. < 1338901843 839730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just scan it left-to-right, top-to-bottom, output when changed, track where you were and prepend a movement command when necessary. Sounds optimal enough: won't bounce around (vertically), and consecutive cells will be just output without intervening commands. Though it might be slightly tricky to update the bottom-right cell. < 1338901858 699332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but e.g. imagine this update < 1338901859 603900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1338901859 962268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : d < 1338901875 154328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be better to go down after b and then up-right after b. < 1338901881 849472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than doing a full-coordinate-in-decimal reposition thing. < 1338901953 306023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1338901954 255516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc", move to d, "d" sounds still shorter; I mean, outputting character moves you automatically one step right, and all the movement characters are like three commands long. < 1338901970 172703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movement commands, three characters. < 1338901973 869580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving to d involves a global reposition thing. < 1338901982 545429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what if you're at 1000000,1000000? < 1338901993 938267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 1000000000,1000000000 in your 80x24 screen? < 1338902001 237994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big screen now! < 1338902003 408254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean use cursor-style movement exclusively? < 1338902015 921723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, that'll be bad when you have something changed at the top and bottom, say. < 1338902036 441797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, is line-wrapping behaviour guaranteed?) < 1338902048 330609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can skip a reposition to the start of the next line in... very pathological cases.) < 1338902108 238069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, just to clarify: < 1338902109 149153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have < 1338902109 678067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1338902110 221648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def < 1338902112 385539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be < 1338902119 468081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef < 1338902120 905300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338902130 95478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still seems possibly suboptimal to me. But okay. :p < 1338902331 739099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you did say "not optimal optimal", and it's simple to do. Anyway, when you see the cursor isn't where you want it to be, that's a place where you can conveniently decide whether to use something else than an absolute movement command if it seems shorter. (E.g. check if it's same line/column -- the former more often, presumably, if you scan in the reading order -- and use the ... < 1338902337 772586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... up/down/left/right movements, or the "absolute column on current row" one.) < 1338902364 419178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But the idea behind a super-almost-optimal one would be to rearrange all the updates to get the most favourable sequence of movements :P < 1338902368 573405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll just do the obvious thing. < 1338902448 194282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also omit the r and/or c in \e[r;cH when the row or column is 1. (It's 1-based.) < 1338902462 350087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this means I want to nest my updates map (y,x). < 1338902466 869881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's an IntMap (IntMap Cell).) < 1338902471 572701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be very confusing. :( < 1338902537 67409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And same for column c in \e[cG, and I guess also for the relative movements when moving by one notch.) < 1338902565 185438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what curses does? Oh, curses just relies on context given at the time of mutation. (Ew.) < 1338902739 592671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've often wondered what piece of code (curses, screen, lynx itself) was responsible for the plainly visible update-optimization when using the physical terminal. I mean, it was clever enough to scroll large blocks both horizontally and vertically to position them right, instead of redrawing.) < 1338902943 558757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I really want to use that. :( < 1338902952 155186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I mean, have you ever played Dungeon Crawl? < 1338903038 292560 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indiana has law saying that Pi=3 < 1338903065 815167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?! < 1338903175 428435 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill < 1338903198 334188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Did you notice the word coming after "The bill never became"? < 1338903199 599740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "law". < 1338903205 778062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the second paragraph, so you might have missed it... < 1338903219 76889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. also http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp < 1338903335 81187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 75+64 < 1338903336 29390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 139 < 1338903409 495267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not pi. < 1338903429 802045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just move the 3 one left. < 1338903431 74589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.19 < 1338903433 56930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically pi. < 1338903849 275217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: data Thing = Jump Point | Skip Int | Write Cell < 1338903852 165690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call this, man??? < 1338904130 615090 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CursorAction < 1338904306 806002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That could work, thanks < 1338904790 175225 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95DF2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338904898 898381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I just realised that my thing has somewhat suboptimal behaviour for "foo bar" when there was previously spaces. < 1338904907 573375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just overwrite the space, but instead it'll use CSI C < 1338904950 101268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll special-case a difference of less than three characters. < 1338905071 966155 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338905250 750915 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1338905888 516485 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338906122 640504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338906159 815056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338906162 415493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338906168 668103 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh!! < 1338906587 39018 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is crawl's 5? Wait a turn? < 1338906588 209970 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, . < 1338906630 308865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, wait 100 turns or until something happens; "something" includes "a monster comes into view", "MP restored", and "HP restored" < 1338906642 315874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NetHack I just have to spam 50., which (a) is tedious and slow and (b) wastes turns after full HP restore < 1338906660 282292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Crawl you can go from nearly dead to full HP in about 3 seconds with judicious application of 5 < 1338906663 150443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less < 1338906669 970603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more like 1.5 seconds < 1338906683 251760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it also searches too, which is nice < 1338906831 488322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What are the arguments to the select graphic rendition stuff < 1338906840 915335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CSI n [;k] m" but I see no indication of when you'd use a k. < 1338906845 2095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently there can be more than one. < 1338906908 465129 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, yeah < 1338906910 522085 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would be nice < 1338906931 694707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it would also be nice to have an actual hp bar on the bottom row... but it's pretty cramped already < 1338906934 23567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, "NetHack < 1338906937 251100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"NetHack" < 1338906938 930678 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nh4 has an hp bar < 1338906947 485092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338906949 633256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have one the last time I played? < 1338906950 886480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1338906954 460841 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1338906955 855525 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: k is used when setting colours < 1338906956 446261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it being the kind of bar I'd want anyway < 1338906960 524716 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338906966 840374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, just 256-colour stuff? < 1338906990 463480 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so, yes < 1338906993 179031 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ^. a character? < 1338906995 979154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Crawl has the luxury of not being able to even try fitting a map onto one screen so it can stuff a lot of stuff on the screen instead < 1338906998 119139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right < 1338907025 701209 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nh4 just takes more screen real estate < 1338907047 931508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You're not telling me you use hugeterm, are you? < 1338907060 178665 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the hugest term < 1338907064 480743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disgusting. < 1338907070 75222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking to you any more. < 1338907077 209764 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm? < 1338907085 24208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: any terminal larger than 80x24 < 1338907090 222925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminals smaller than 80x24 are acceptable < 1338907182 321996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. I can't really resize my 160x64 terminal < 1338907315 552456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use tput or something. < 1338907322 353751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK to use bigger ones for a console. < 1338907326 482747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not OK to play games with them. < 1338907334 602685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, more generally, broadcast them.) < 1338907897 157176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pang < 1338907897 382677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338909040 879335 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nitro and hence nh4 doesn't require termcasting < 1338909043 612877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or won't, eventually < 1338909051 387178 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a few mechanics need sorting out there < 1338909057 90984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It doesn't matter. < 1338909065 153958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, playing a game locally in hugeterm is a sin, too. < 1338909066 590854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I know.) < 1338909158 344518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Further guidance would be above my pay grade; consult High Priest monqy.) < 1338909648 523545 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does 'else' in scheme does not evaluate to #t ? < 1338909701 261704 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologize for the rudeness of this but its more of an experiment < 1338909706 599240 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google why does 'else' in scheme does not evaluate to #t ? < 1338909708 660977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/usr/ai/html/r4rs/r4rs_6.html < 1338909812 344153 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not explain why < 1338909841 295692 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be rude if you've used lmgtfy < 1338909890 281197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Because it's usually used in a context where evaluating it as a value would not make sense < 1338909899 782569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at leaast, sometimes < 1338909901 394598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance < 1338909917 40483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider case < 1338909924 39907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(case (car '(c d)) < 1338909924 222391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((a e i o u) 'vowel) < 1338909924 381997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((w y) 'semivowel) < 1338909925 674313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (else 'consonant)) ===> consonant < 1338909927 645077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :library syntax: (and ...) < 1338909929 600685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that last line < 1338909961 784478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supported in COND also for consistency. It could be a value defined as #t, but since it's special in some control structures, why not just use it as a keyword in them and treat it in a uniform manner? < 1338910025 519577 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338910053 440350 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i forgot about case & stuff < 1338910053 976726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1338910064 139040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my memory isn't that good either. < 1338910070 53185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pulled up R5RS to check my hunch. < 1338910070 320151 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elliott < 1338910076 433155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem :) < 1338910086 597236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1338910092 515577 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may surprise some of you, especially, hmm.. especially fungot, but under the right conditions i do know how it's supposed to feel to learn things ^_^ < 1338910107 955664 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chat i had before reminded me of it < 1338910111 964476 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910159 752862 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi won't let me talk... < 1338910168 611068 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not supposed to feel like anything as an adult < 1338910188 715069 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe learn is learn, with no manipulative pleasure < 1338910213 626958 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910246 42770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hi < 1338910246 569729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910269 101366 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ngevd is XChat, Taneb is irssi < 1338910293 573977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338910302 95062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought logo was rubbish when i saw it though.. < 1338910535 847503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910550 323949 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm missing something, part of the fun of thinking, by always being concerned with the applied, practical, concrete side of things < 1338910556 31817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910561 797676 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1338910577 961792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910600 964221 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338910602 546192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338910605 258857 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha! < 1338910606 392277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338910611 231663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Taneb < 1338910614 276153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338910614 435918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NGEVD < 1338910617 516863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338910618 182537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NGEVD: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1338910667 576305 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've worked it out < 1338910675 784237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps if you are in the channel pane < 1338910684 970810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338910689 562021 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338910702 81950 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338910718 468747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the status bit < 1338910720 171164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Taneb < 1338910722 934238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1338910774 874928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Taneb is Ngevd < 1338910777 675731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is Ngevd < 1338911037 304917 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1338911041 805105 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading SICP < 1338911049 879532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving for various reasons < 1338911249 962318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338911254 21387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338912034 436770 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338912128 536683 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338912708 253571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[exists v. (Eq v) => (v -> String, Attrs -> v)] < 1338912709 332896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338912723 701029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious preapplication Attrs -> String < 1338912727 259137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also Attrs -> Attrs -> Bool < 1338914249 990611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Monoid a) => Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 478993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 665219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338914250 825085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException assert :: Bool -> a -> a < 1338915219 17806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, the reset/normal SGR thing. < 1338915223 866852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that reset the foreground/background too? < 1338915225 296645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, what to? < 1338915555 351080 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338915662 11027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the "default". It might not be exactly any of the other colours. < 1338915725 65359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338915855 424561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, hey, you can just do \ESC[a;b;c;dm for \ESC[am\ESC[bm\ESC[cm\ESC[dm. < 1338915857 212883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How convenient. < 1338915858 830010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant lied to me. < 1338915887 249350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338915903 529954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that in places. < 1338915922 411966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't "read". < 1338915925 314402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the WP articles. < 1338915926 711905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*article. < 1338915948 590312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After CSI can be zero or more parameters separated with ;." (The WP article.) < 1338915956 282674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that. < 1338915963 387108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That /is/ convenient. < 1338915971 517005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, you haven't ever set bright red with \e[31;1m? < 1338916017 243852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not the convenient thing I thought it was. < 1338916020 255620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but "parameters" is ambiguous. < 1338916022 456832 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant. < 1338916029 730812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then elliott confused me by asking about 256-colour. < 1338916031 913689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, see that xterm-256 takes a colour parameter after it. < 1338916032 989378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarrely. < 1338916036 942465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because that's all that was mentioned as using it! < 1338916041 614024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338916042 38508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe mapMaybe :: (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338916042 220551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338916042 379841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338916144 928734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the horror: http://sprunge.us/jOLb < 1338916146 124581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 88/256-colour things are sorta silly, the way they change what the following parameters mean. < 1338916148 881575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1338916207 626323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I should probably just get rid of the Action type by applying the trusty old single-use-data -> code transformation. < 1338916208 874734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fusing! < 1338916231 684112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after I've done all this, all I'll have to solve is input. Still better than using curses. < 1338916456 47707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you solved the matter of the screen scrolling if you output a character to the bottom-right cell? I think that sometimes happens. < 1338916467 174921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, seriously? < 1338916480 629799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Swindon is such a great name for Swindon. < 1338916514 674593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seems to work fine here. < 1338916540 718109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly this is in Terminal.app, voted "not the best" terminal emulator in a nationwide poll. < 1338916592 846702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have `'nation-wide" polls in Finland? < 1338916609 76647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of polls? < 1338916614 907455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polls. < 1338916618 493190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tell fizzie about nation-wide polls. < 1338916652 563040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're polls, also they're nation-wide. < 1338916669 273429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you Phantom_Hoover. < 1338916813 343803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, any sort of official things, I don't think. < 1338916969 651050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the terminal thing, it does not seem to scroll in urxvt either, but I think it is a possible mode of operation, that the automatic-margin linewrap ends up causing a scroll. (It does seem to scroll the terminal if I move to the bottom-right corner and output two characters.) < 1338917201 410550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a terminfo boolean property "semi_auto_right_margin", with the description "printing in last column causes cr", it might be that sort of a thing.) < 1338917240 3704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's a TEST PROGRAM: < 1338917248 971965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/eOha < 1338917376 88389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it puts an ugly @ at the corner there. < 1338917392 177207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Append ; sleep 3 for scrolltesting, of course.) < 1338917393 616146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Excellent. < 1338917398 272610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't scroll? < 1338917462 247985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not in my terminal. But I think it's only sucky terminals that would, anyway. < 1338917472 30273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That @ is a fleeing Terence standing on top of items, if we take monqy's Crawl's rc as a guide.) < 1338917484 31202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Crawl rc < 1338917571 649864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know I ascended NetHack atheist wishless? < 1338917578 958191 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric < 1338917585 949556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WOW! Really? < 1338917587 384531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xscreensaver's molecular display is a bit... iffy. < 1338917589 894380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard that before. < 1338917590 433468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1338917591 828213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SO the logs inform me! < 1338917608 722537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, you're one of those "log" "readers". < 1338917610 216432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text mode trivia of the day: VGA text mode has a hardware "underline" feature, but it's usually disabled in color text modes, because it's enabled by a particular background/foreground combination, and that's a bit silly. < 1338917616 257996 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338917631 443232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's a good point. What does that program do on your nearest Linux console? < 1338917635 520678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More like one of those "scrollback" "backlog" "scrollbacklog" readers. < 1338917638 525613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscroll" < 1338917642 944526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscrollbacklog" < 1338917644 663534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backscrollbacklogback" < 1338917647 245441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Same thing. < 1338917654 58192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean caffeine is all well and good, but when it moves on to opium and VX I get the sense that someone will glance at it and I'll end up in Guantanamo Bay. < 1338917656 990644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forthlog" < 1338917658 848018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prolog < 1338917667 414859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1338917698 396242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How many people do you know that know the molecular structure of opium? < 1338917708 73184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *I* don't know that. Maybe I should learn it. < 1338917716 629259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc might know. < 1338917717 39772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says 'opium' right at the top! < 1338917721 701428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't it says morphine. < 1338917723 704785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or heroin. < 1338917732 463522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on which opioid it feels like displaying. < 1338917747 893805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just paste a sticky note underneath where it displays it saying "IS BAD FOR YOU". < 1338917783 244390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does not do anything terribly interesting in my VGA console, though nothing is underlined. (The Linux console doesn't do underlining anyway; you can specify a particular colour that will be used for underlined text, but I think that's ignored if you actually set a colour.) < 1338917815 235395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But I want underlining, though. :( < 1338917835 975275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't have it in a Linux console, it just doesn't do it. < 1338917846 445698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make it do it! < 1338917878 502625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Write a patch. < 1338917881 13240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submit to lkml. < 1338917900 488851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nontrivial to do for vgacon, because the hardware is not so capable of it. < 1338917931 608309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet Abrash could do it. < 1338918075 546853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only coloured text you can underline is I think (dark or bright) red on black, because that's the setting of the attribute bits that enables underline generation. < 1338918169 638878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fbcon \e[4m turns text odd colored < 1338918207 867588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: But I think it doesn't if you set a color manually. < 1338918230 371806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338918253 105693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can use \e[1;n] to make 'n' the colour (0..7) that's used to simulate the underlining. < 1338918253 426510 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't underline it, it just changes color < 1338918280 59971 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ok < 1338918308 959483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use \e(0HI MONQY) < 1338918311 279684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fancy that, it does in fact override a set colour too. < 1338918340 285813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\e(0 = bset ecsape cdoe < 1338918370 669567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338918370 877520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918378 35343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy im sorry < 1338918378 570442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918383 422288 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338918383 633255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5s ago: im sorry < 1338918392 388224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy you forgot @messages? < 1338918392 621199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918393 440226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I didn't notice the colour-change because it was the same colour that the text was already supposed to be. < 1338918400 291762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338918400 499507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 8s ago: you forgot @messages? < 1338918405 672791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy you forgot @messages? again < 1338918405 881067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918434 570870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy pardon me < 1338918434 776713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918440 315028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy gangway < 1338918440 526537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338918476 569897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ascend yet? < 1338918490 432765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338918495 633381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In NetHack < 1338918511 83026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338918516 306719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you play Psychonauts yet? < 1338918530 338538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also you. < 1338918620 165259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338918620 371234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918651 691956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages? < 1338918651 913860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338918659 447846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338918695 534170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Phoover is gone, so you'll have to play Psychonauts instead. < 1338918696 675840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you? < 1338918706 415390 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338918726 946779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One application of the motion to suspend the rules is called the "Gordian knot" motion.[9] If confusion has caused the assembly to get so tangled up in a parliamentary snarl that neither the chairman nor the members can unravel it, a member can move to suspend the rules to start fresh. The use of the "Gordian Knot" motion is illustrated in The Standard Code with this example: "Madam President, in view of the confusion about the parlia < 1338918727 106622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentary situation, I believe it would be best if we were to cancel out everything that has been done on this motion and start over from the beginning, permitting the motion to be resubmitted in whatever form the maker wishes. I move that the rules be suspended to permit this."[9]. The "Gordian Knot" version of suspend the rules was introduced by Floyd Riddick, Parliamentarian Emeritus of the United States Senate, at a meeting of the B < 1338918727 106792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oard of Directors of the American Institute of Parliamentarians.[10] RONR does not make reference to the "Gordian Knot". < 1338918728 556242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] < 1338918755 904182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I've been sick. Also I played a bit of LIMBO and Bastion. < 1338918790 834096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Psychonauts is probably better! < 1338918793 963935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Get well soon! Or die. < 1338918797 905929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are probably the only two options. < 1338918802 890470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you a child? < 1338918813 465599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, play Psychonauts; it'll have childhood nostalgia on its side. < 1338918846 565352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chidlhood < 1338918892 394829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't suppose the console supports 256colours. :p < 1338918919 623141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, though fbcon technically could. (As far as I know, it doesn't.) < 1338918942 380169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just go "completely brogue". < 1338919004 203581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This involves Actual Windowing and so many colours.) < 1338919008 694711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you played brogue? < 1338919031 922600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long ago rxvt-unicode didn't support 256 colours either; it's "traditionally" done the 88-colour thing. (Nowadays it does the 256 too.) < 1338919038 522753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has not. < 1338919047 814453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and all the telnet server things disconnect clients with the 256 colours rxvt-unicode $TERM. < 1338919053 14485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to set it to rxvt-unicode. :( < 1338919056 652322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's fun. < 1338919063 29371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And simple. < 1338919067 330925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "simple" in the bad sense. < 1338919072 531059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not fiddly to play. < 1338919095 753061 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338919097 620249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to be even Wikipedia-notable! < 1338919104 992435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ < 1338919107 467590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 colours? < 1338919112 121102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to 4 billion colours? < 1338919113 567596 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338919116 694951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does seem to be Google-notable. < 1338919120 296421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's popular "in the community", as they say. < 1338919193 329088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's basically like rogue, were rogue a lot less simplistic and fleshed out and developed in 2012 and really ridiculously pretty. < 1338919201 38014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's ~spoilerless! < 1338919211 254862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. http://308192c9-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/broguegame/home/screenshots/DarBattlemage.png?attachauth=ANoY7coM1tv9xZVXhGG5TH-dIf9KXWO7LgbsbsP-kCl8yGK0RvdI5rsCDwwz1f9rKRHgveM8eUkdxjEoF5-zeIBswnGMRDJa80aLD9nfdKQjxZYG2JYgaLH-G5A0OQu8hTjAP91omhpxXxU_v8Ve7h-lC6qT9jiGMPUtFmcY-Fvic3pGifXjq4eubAjy2vnEfn09nkS4TosoK9KAU9z_QaT6dJGs1UktL_erux-isDM7_fiRYfz3UBw%3D&attredirects=0) < 1338919214 886296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a terrible URL. < 1338919224 350572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever really had 4 billion colours anywhere. It's a weird amount to have, not being 2^n where n%3 == 0. < 1338919240 574167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dar blademaster is standing, burning, in a pool of blood." -- yes, me too. < 1338919241 912737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's certainly pretty. < 1338919267 175118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The water is even prettier. Actually every part of the game is prettier than every other part of it. < 1338919277 437565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a whole light-illumination thing on every tile and all. < 1338919328 591036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338919339 491497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You typically hit for 10860% of the goblin conjurer's maximum HP, and at best could defeat it in 1 hit." < 1338919356 790014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What... did you do. < 1338919364 387552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at a screenshot. < 1338919368 374405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You should endorse brogue! It says in my contract I get a bonus if I get you to endorse it too. < 1338919369 625056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1338919373 478520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one called Conjurer-on-bridge.png. < 1338919380 935440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue is good < 1338919388 290790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I dunno, sounds like a risky battle to me. < 1338919392 593747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :, as far as roguelikes go < 1338919393 134040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the worst-case???? < 1338919400 349640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have a 100% chance to hit. < 1338919417 73429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what if you hit for, e.g. only 900% of the goblin conjurer's maximum HP? < 1338919425 57074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be bad. < 1338919456 886626 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has problems but it's a pretty good game < 1338919457 246763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brogue Tips: You can technically examine things and travel to places using the keyboard, but once you get used to it hover-to-examine and click-to-travel are really convenient. Also + increases the font size.) < 1338919462 301404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get back into brogue < 1338919465 355555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that's all the brogue tips I have.) < 1338919468 941673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue problems #1: < 1338919470 776122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t r a p s < 1338919476 696817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh! There's another one: ? is a handy one-page reference to all the keys you need.) < 1338919481 897613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's all of them.) < 1338919509 172326 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear brogue early game is better in more recent versions so that complaint's "out the window", as they say < 1338919514 553976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until I try brogue again < 1338919532 684858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: My early game deaths (all of them) haven't been to traps, at least. < 1338919542 907952 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: traps are only a problem late game < 1338919546 131836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: They're mostly when you run into a goblin conjurer pack and get swamped by spectral blades and so on. < 1338919546 848111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1338919550 79324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you gotten to brogue lategame? < 1338919551 157351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that was the early game complaint. < 1338919553 484776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1338919554 203056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No. :( < 1338919558 697526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see what i mean < 1338919559 59062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at roguelikes. < 1338919561 386776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you get there < 1338919575 733983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brogue is probably tougher for me than most other roguelikes because of the less... character-building-based focus. < 1338919588 829841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue has plenty of character building < 1338919590 621961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1338919596 182058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your character is your equipment < 1338919604 435703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant was that you don't really have much of a fallback beyond your wits and what you've picked up. < 1338919615 762000 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more do you need < 1338919616 301827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, there seems to be less of an accrual of general power over time like you have in Crawl and so on. < 1338919622 575997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, I don't have wits, and the RNG hates me. < 1338919624 372555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... everything. < 1338919625 450193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get plenty of power < 1338919632 804998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your power is what you picked up and enchanted etc < 1338919645 536472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf rng < 1338919660 167169 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-162-123.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338919928 45137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338920193 464726 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338920193 662626 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338920193 662761 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338920213 438004 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue is quite amusing < 1338920226 992070 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whole thing with build < 1338920242 661869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338920287 931469 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't usually go deeper than the dlevel 10 in the latest version < 1338920309 475758 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338921541 452573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338923297 494627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338923299 482412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338923318 993304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I think ($) associates the wrong way in Prelude.Generalize < 1338923319 202522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338923346 679327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 foo $ bar $ baz 10 doesn't work as it does with Prelude < 1338923346 912410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338923388 131873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear about the other edge cases involved with temporarily overwriting a page with a syscall instruction? < 1338923407 448918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the page is memory-mapped from a file, modifying it will turn it into a private mapping. < 1338923413 11534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it'll stay even if you turn it back. < 1338923794 54737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1338923917 790399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "turn it back" I mean writing the old value back to the page, not unmapping and remapping, of course. < 1338924124 972454 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338924732 952342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So when are you moving here? < 1338924810 789129 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338925561 221271 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338925573 564113 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338925983 866746 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926072 591714 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926095 360073 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338926446 78798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338926483 180821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926715 734526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926717 493087 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338926746 757505 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1338926798 532827 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338926802 105357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338926802 337368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12h 56m 31s ago: I like that "bug fix" in the modified C Deadfish interpreter. < 1338926905 866878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Wait, my bug fix or the anonymous ip one? < 1338926906 156969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338927047 84451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Also, (!!) seems broken < 1338927047 292301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338927182 793534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Neither (!!) nor (!!!) work for infinite lists < 1338927183 31323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338928152 67152 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338928152 969516 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928231 508635 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928286 854186 :billsha!~bill@CPE-124-183-140-59.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1338928433 457842 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338928445 968570 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338928927 890541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338928928 120518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338929373 137676 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929483 327100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929554 319329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such things in mathematics as the "algebraic infinity" where it is treated like an algebraic variable representing a nonzero real number, and then is considered greater than all real numbers in a comparison? < 1338929554 657352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338929565 928349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1338929566 133814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1h 44m 6s ago: I think ($) associates the wrong way in Prelude.Generalize < 1338929566 313499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1h 43m 39s ago: foo $ bar $ baz 10 doesn't work as it does with Prelude < 1338929566 473281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 41m 58s ago: Also, (!!) seems broken < 1338929566 473476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 39m 43s ago: Neither (!!) nor (!!!) work for infinite lists < 1338929598 729467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know it associates the other way; this is on purpose. If (!!) is broken then thanks I will attempt to fix it < 1338929624 889468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can I ask why you want it to associate the other way? < 1338929668 736457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want foo(bar(baz 10)) then write foo . bar $ baz 10 instead. < 1338929682 53025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338929702 7995 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338929713 96338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] !! 0 < 1338929714 102104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1338929726 686948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't halt with Prelude.Generalize < 1338929736 997566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for !! it should be foldlM < 1338929751 972746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you use foldl < 1338929755 824248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that would fix it? At the time I wrote that I didn't know foldlM < 1338929793 793994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need to be able to short-ciruit < 1338929802 90544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I don't know foldlM < 1338929823 300325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldlM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> t b -> m a -- Defined in Data.Foldable < 1338930084 343159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, using foldlM fixed it. < 1338930136 448567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338930148 448800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I upload the next version, that, as well as other things, are fixed. < 1338930148 608731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell, I'm actually using Prelude.Generalize < 1338930171 662883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good because the more is use, the more things mistakes can be found and improvement suggested. < 1338930308 134199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice also that lists are Copeanoid which allows many kind of codes to be shortened < 1338930318 522345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool! < 1338930580 333150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38, can I ask why you want it to associate the other way? <-- i recall Cale thinks it is more useful that way < 1338930615 906855 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, hmm < 1338930696 271038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to URL escape unicode codepoints? < 1338930786 172021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accepted convention is to URL escape UTF-8 bytes. < 1338930789 20741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1338930802 70524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempt didn't work on this thing anyway < 1338930813 962455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to mess with http://gryphonllc.com/irc/hulk.php?smash=a < 1338930864 713872 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction, that's the defined behavior per RFC 3986. < 1338931135 966640 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338931582 964594 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338931609 4419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now capable of being awake and asleep at the same time! < 1338931630 753710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: MDude is a dolphin. < 1338931664 967460 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338932727 455212 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1338932742 357211 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :click-click-wistle < 1338932918 492318 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95DF2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338933521 513675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1338933522 417714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338935140 251696 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338935672 461573 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338935673 39902 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338935969 952480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/mov/depot/APOD/latest_APOD_HMIC_FR.jpg < 1338936448 590050 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link didn't work, but see here http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/webcasts/nasaedge/ < 1338936468 903935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked a moment ago < 1338936473 899497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit large < 1338936520 779087 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming it was a venus transit image? < 1338936566 158955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's supposedly updated every 15 mins < 1338936855 544010 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link is a live stream, it's good < 1338937064 238327 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338937064 434705 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338938200 367938 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the reviews for this hotel said the breakfast was bad. < 1338938206 656490 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the reviews in English, anyway. < 1338938211 619259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell were they smoking? < 1338938223 586104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :salmon. < 1338938231 441776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steamed buns, fried noodles, fresh steamed cabbage, various pickled vegetables. < 1338938236 772860 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The breakfast here is friggin' awesome. < 1338938256 221300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reviews did say _why_ it was bad, i hope? < 1338938256 661728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame: White people. < 1338938263 520350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just that they didn't like it. < 1338938295 211966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's Gregor < 1338938301 421000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume it smells horrible, then. < 1338938307 692669 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite probable! < 1338938313 356269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it tasted divine! < 1338938330 901849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fnarfed < 1338938338 91756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1338938362 366134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets an inkling Gregor is slightly tired of these jokes
< 1338938436 723394 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the painful truth to them that really hurts me ;) < 1338938449 356968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338938574 796840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines it now: "Cursed by a rare condition, his dream of becoming a famous restaurant critic seemed beyond reach."
< 1338938613 549898 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you're the same time as perth, australia < 1338938622 649748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forever beyond < 1338938633 780854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is? < 1338938637 32832 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338938638 131587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Gregor < 1338938638 825899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Gregor is Tue Jun 5 19:23:54 < 1338938653 537590 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, I add 3 hours and swap am/pm < 1338938666 350118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the exact opposite timezone of the one indicated there. < 1338938670 292608 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that makes it 7:24am < 1338938687 626611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so jetlag from hell? < 1338938700 562804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically as bad as jetlag could conceivably be, yes. < 1338938707 583025 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I ate breakfast for breakfast, so that's a good start. < 1338938715 706795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I ate breakfast because I forgot to eat dinner last night ... < 1338938766 245138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently is eating breakfast for dinner at 1:25 AM
< 1338938816 816604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's pretty likely that those reviewers just weren't well-accustomed to non-Americanised Chinese food. < 1338938829 319777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's breakfast according to what i'm eating, but dinner according to how long since i slept < 1338938842 348285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: /Maybe/, but like, steamed buns? How can ANYONE not like good steamed buns. It's loony. < 1338938871 90249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I actually have a name for the meal you eat between about 1 and 5 am, it's "antilunch" < 1338938871 312570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338938874 340596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338938874 563272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 23h 14m 27s ago: has anyone before written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338938874 745651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 23h 13m 1s ago: has anyone before quintopia written a program that uses larger offsets on longer tapes? < 1338938881 352251 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There are people in the US today that still think a Chinese buffet is "exotic". < 1338938881 966619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1338938888 489868 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may now be depressed. < 1338938892 422276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so, but I don't see how it would help < 1338938897 35869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1338938898 930041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is not yet a standard English word, but I want to make one < 1338938902 667132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aargh < 1338938910 385931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did my context help? < 1338938915 125813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But those are not the people who travel to Beijing. < 1338938929 640386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really I was pretty amused at seeing the same question twice < 1338938930 3175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. True. < 1338938939 203018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is more appropriate for antilunch, pasta or antipasta? < 1338938947 138155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, quintopia asked a question and someone mentioned there wasn't enough context. < 1338938951 281362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I added a bit more. < 1338938971 593854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the shops aren't open at antilunchtime, so you eat whatever you can actually prepare as a meal < 1338938975 250724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not travel to Beijing and survive to their first meal. I'd imagine being extremely racist to the natives doesn't give you a long life expectancy. :P < 1338938993 588730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's hard to be racist to them when they don't understand a word you say. < 1338939007 256569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or vice-versa) < 1338939009 595211 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect they can infer what "CHING CHONG DING DONG" means. < 1338939013 856531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1338939017 403747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It means I love you" < 1338939048 484438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA (In case you don't know what I'm referring to) < 1338939330 158807 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338939385 865973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more specifically, you expect to encounter smaller decoys first and bigger ones later, so it may be favorable to increase offset size with each decoy encountered < 1338939400 507272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for as long as that fact is true) < 1338939402 692278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338939418 743744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's the case (and I also think the way juggernought sets decoys is stupid) < 1338939481 314969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ffspg goes back and increase sizes of decoys, yes? so you'd see the small ones first and then the big oens < 1338939495 130764 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338939516 27394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect raising the offset size after, say, 2 decoys, could save you time on those two < 1338939537 627862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl gotta look at the sun again < 1338940858 486765 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338940885 807862 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338941488 146003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1338941501 714142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be other transits in my lifetime, right? Not of venus, but... wait, hmm < 1338941547 171645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess mercury would be more frequent? < 1338941576 62990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, yep < 1338941581 33449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury < 1338941582 363107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transits of Mercury with respect to Earth are much more frequent than transits of Venus, with about 13 or 14 per century, in part because Mercury is closer to the Sun and orbits it more rapidly." < 1338941609 699669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other planets don't have transits, right? < 1338941633 117506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't tend to come between the earth and the sun, no < 1338941696 365994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION str he saw the one in 2004, anyhow
< 1338941733 457263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If they do, the end is not merely nigh. < 1338942246 944713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sun has set :/ < 1338942251 6454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scumbag sun < 1338942356 812068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942357 165068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338942357 324990 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338942470 346766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be coming up here in a while < 1338942484 436420 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338942484 763932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any proper viewing equipment, alas < 1338942512 841447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it < 1338942526 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a mylar balloon or pop tarts or emergency blankets < 1338942535 108170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape it to binoculars or sunglasses < 1338942753 925854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i could have made it if i'd bothered to get such stuff in time :P < 1338942814 734288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's cloudy, anyhow < 1338942910 298570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have: ecliptic longitude of Sun 75.72, ecliptic longitude of Mercury 87.08, ecliptic latitude of Mercury +1deg46arcmin. < 1338942952 510739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give the right ascension and declination as well if wanted < 1338942968 337178 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.203 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338943008 787582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean the other planets do not have transits? They do, but they are hidden because the Sun is in the way. < 1338943128 610188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I have not seen even the transit of Mercury, because it would be dangerous to look at the sun < 1338943158 808375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you constructed a solar filter for yourself? there is still time to look < 1338943196 650058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, no I have not. How to do? < 1338943222 980839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you get a mylar balloon or pop tarts at the grocery store? < 1338943258 196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at this time. < 1338943345 821197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, well, the transit ends in 4 hours < 1338943358 97728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still look at photographs and I have looked at the one mentioned above < 1338943397 943253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see it anyways; there is stuff in the way < 1338943449 285370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, grey, puffy stuff < 1338943489 769865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in about 6 hours after the transit ends, SDO will release a HD video of the whole thing < 1338943495 764124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like houses and so on < 1338943525 103757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1338943612 83284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trees too < 1338943812 720064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd look at the sun but then my eyes would hurt < 1338943823 380963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even looking out the window makes my eyes hurt wow < 1338943840 335754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't want HD video; HD wastes too much energy. < 1338943886 598467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that, but I do not have a wide screen TV set. < 1338943979 147855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecliptic longitude of Venus 75.76 degrees and ecliptic latitude 1deg 47arcmin, so it is very close to Sun. < 1338943999 506909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes it is on the other side and cannot be seen. This time it is on the closer side < 1338944180 209502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm sure people with release a downsampled version very quickly after it is released < 1338944230 334285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDO jusut released a video < 1338944332 816259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHM55XDhJ0 < 1338944733 807020 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338945264 474217 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess that's a bit more impressive than the version my dad projected onto a wall with binoculars. < 1338945301 542786 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was still neat seeing it more in-person, though. < 1338945745 551611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338946184 341706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338947108 937803 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338947186 28325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/JORU < 1338947189 360827 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.0 < 1338947241 559980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/ZFOf < 1338947245 136733 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_poke: 48.4 < 1338947266 819897 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338947614 965932 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338947910 299463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338948221 966323 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338948233 73246 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm connected again I think. < 1338948244 745252 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk I made some kind of dirtbike emulator. < 1338948245 762719 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://entropedia.co.uk/generative_music_1.2_beta/#b64MzQw0DbQMwACE63izDwNjRJ9U007O0NDTS2NEq0SOzuTGt%2FEkgy94sKiEo0STU0A < 1338948376 477946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338948431 679222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338949876 970540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338950925 13448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you have a Theora version of the video which is also not HD? < 1338950959 281548 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951036 969150 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338951436 899723 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951726 602919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This opcode ANDs the contents of the A and X registers (without changing < 1338951728 84644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contents of either register) and transfers the result to the stack < 1338951729 532747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer. It then ANDs that result with the contents of the high byte of < 1338951730 975912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the target address of the operand +1 and stores that final result in < 1338951732 603199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory." < 1338951754 280370 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951763 648070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951783 557371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what computer? < 1338951860 730602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but not /always/, it seems to depend on the video behaviour < 1338951867 781066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 6502 < 1338951874 270375 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338951945 657738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951945 817419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338951946 265842 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338952658 343462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952661 637041 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 46.7 < 1338952683 540657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1338952686 508961 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 0.0 < 1338952692 26420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/GVHP < 1338952695 367505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.1 < 1338952805 526853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that double-check was more important than i though XD < 1338952905 562454 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1338953080 869504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QPjQ < 1338953084 165168 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953091 160567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah stupid syntax errors < 1338953113 613402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why not always? < 1338953134 824915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's unclear, but seems to have something to do with the video system < 1338953146 817252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction wasn't added to the CPU deliberately, it's what happens if you feed it particular invalid data < 1338953171 442986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/fjRh < 1338953174 543067 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 0.0 < 1338953179 645659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338953184 199159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? < 1338953336 451249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/YILB < 1338953339 873973 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 47.3 < 1338953537 419161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1338953539 509628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338953752 659751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/OHfC < 1338953755 675195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.3 < 1338954875 577603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QKbN < 1338954878 780159 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.5 < 1338955205 415966 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a process has a file, A, open for appending. While that's true, I delete A. What happens? < 1338955225 926875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clojure multimethods go further still to allow the dispatch value to be the result of an arbitrary function of the arguments." < 1338955235 607539 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting < 1338955243 317934 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the process still say "append to this file" just like it did before? Will the data simply be discarded immediately? < 1338955256 848093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to see Clojure as an interesting language crippled by being tied to the JVM < 1338955313 583805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, isn't the CPU supposed to be separate from the video? <-- in those days there generally wasn't a separate GPU, so the video stuff ran on the CPU < 1338955327 56557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are multimethods? < 1338955352 610598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/bQiL < 1338955355 785783 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 45.0 < 1338955362 1257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1338955377 484589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way the page describes them, they're like CLOS's generic functions, except with more flexible dispatch < 1338955390 168525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism < 1338955532 877736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i vaguely recall it becomes an inode not referred from any directory and so is purged when the file is closed < 1338955544 9548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_very_ vaguely < 1338955577 149980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/JJIW < 1338955580 214797 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 50.8 < 1338955580 382313 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that would make sense. < 1338955605 785793 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible for the process that has it open to create another link to it? < 1338955622 491701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338955652 640927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the manual :P < 1338955736 95760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_system_calls/unlink.htm < 1338955750 514541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the underlying system call < 1338956088 365177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: presumably you could create another hard link _before_ it's deleted, at least < 1338956441 106615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :P < 1338956509 483056 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338956983 221133 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957648 870661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338957652 356886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.2 < 1338957691 161245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957691 583537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338957691 743153 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338957877 818329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338958308 385339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338958724 276125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338958869 804105 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338959585 527433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959588 353905 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 29.5 < 1338959681 171101 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338959707 591667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myndzi help us kill vibration by modifying slowrush to >(+)*22>(-)*22(>++++++>------)*1>+>->->+(>[[-(+)*22[-]]+>[+(-)*22[+]]->][-]+)*21 < 1338959707 812974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338959722 175207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi_slowrush_fixed < < 1338959724 817915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_myndzi_slowrush_fixed: 0.0 < 1338959974 169046 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960170 545749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome canaima172422 < 1338960178 957552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaima172422: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338960253 628579 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338960254 475825 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-175.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338960280 249582 :canaima172422!~j0s3@190.121.239.146 PART :#esoteric < 1338960361 309932 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338960644 474466 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-223.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338961446 599469 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338961479 938657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell asiekierka_ hi < 1338961480 146339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338961818 882891 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338962213 451996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka_: Did you add the XKCD variation of Deadfish? If so, why? < 1338962526 544856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338963010 113345 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338963033 88993 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963084 535820 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net NICK :TeruFSX < 1338963236 848475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338963337 276665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963520 651783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor is possible to have egojsout stop printing lines of a round after 2000 (and put in a "load more lines" link)? it takes forever to load defense runs and most of the time the interesting stuff happens in the first 2000 cycles < 1338963538 422210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338963918 383281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338964493 160839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338964501 45741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338964520 382566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338965112 536099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Payne 3: Dramatic Chilling Simulator http://youtu.be/eWMiIJ6B-7k < 1338965928 225510 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338966387 567668 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338966896 612732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust impomatic_lessdumb < < 1338966903 950925 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_impomatic_lessdumb: 0.0 < 1338967046 769291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dumb is dumb is '<' is less dumb? < 1338967053 858026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is '/if '/ < 1338967171 148823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessdumb used to have a higher score than dumb < 1338967198 513920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but changes to the scoreboard had caused dumb to be beating lessdumb < 1338967208 310893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i deleted it < 1338967829 723784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Clojure interesting me? < 1338968029 308025 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338968114 535735 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1338968943 213465 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969300 548899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338969388 537863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338969429 610010 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338969444 347598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show me what some of the documentations for Prelude.Generalize that you have written? I will add some of them on < 1338969457 815527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's a bit skeletal at the moment < 1338969481 592888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll paste it somewhere < 1338969518 331914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69580 < 1338969597 503884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm unsure if that's correct Haddock markup < 1338970006 520905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-145.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338970139 254342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338970528 827390 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338970571 291335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-175-47.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338971321 898874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971711 891466 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338971759 863495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-76-89.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338971784 781674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1338971790 321462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, haddock doesn't like something < 1338971857 124590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Haddock doesn't like you. < 1338971864 785723 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338971964 59400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338971972 627423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1338972338 630488 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338972655 981305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1338972657 39542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this were written as a function instead of a macro, we would have to pass #(Math/sin %) instead of simply Math/sin for the function." < 1338972728 457344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338973317 121312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is frustrating me < 1338973678 56721 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338973916 869617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java methods aren't first class objects" < 1338973920 333119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bibbles insanely
< 1338974528 157414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: I don't know. < 1338975759 938039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/LawlabeeTheWallaby/posts/3450418413289 ; the latest in my Facebook-status novelization of my China trip. < 1338975826 231617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is getting a Like < 1338975950 663901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: hehe < 1338976169 767077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I've set the bar too high though X-D < 1338976172 708735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't go up from here. < 1338976621 956256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1338976947 828354 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338977182 787313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it feels inconsistent, and something I wish I didn't have to care about < 1338977206 426568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it makes sense, but I'm not exactly looking for Java interop < 1338977613 306891 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1338978374 775931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338978422 289422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1338978437 784016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or would Clojure be great if it weren't for the whole Java interoperability thing? < 1338979043 230794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure would be great if it hadn't anything to do with java < 1338979050 73431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e not running on jvm an such. < 1338979063 569978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1338979122 493129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the JVM's the bad part, it's more that it tries to match the JVM's model so that it works with Java < 1338979151 417384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it ignored Java interop yet ran on the JVM, I think it would still be able to do things like TCO and condition system (I might be mistaken) < 1338981271 591786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JVM has all kinds of curious restrictions on the bytecode, I'm not entirely certain that would be completely true. < 1338981359 614606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can get somewhere via multiple branches, all the branches must provably have the same stack effect. and there's no "tail-invoke" opcode. < 1338981454 242531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter could I guess be workarounded by having your entire program be a single JVM function, but I think that might hit some other limitations. < 1338981518 192054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it would limit all programs to be less than 64k bytes. < 1338981543 123098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the maximum size for the code of a method.) < 1338981601 694295 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981602 5913 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338981602 165449 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338981664 717864 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338984482 623441 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338984482 917101 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 76823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 236516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 236658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984483 396265 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338984483 396401 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338984674 647690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338986819 183038 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338988574 692056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338988585 827824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: hi < 1338988586 15088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338989740 698106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfish x" < 1338989741 806570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989750 711914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "Deadfish~" "Deadfishx" < 1338989751 637088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1338989756 15452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "a" "b" < 1338989756 926825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1338989765 45748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1338989770 828321 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338989804 749145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "~ x" < 1338989805 727551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " x~" < 1338989905 870563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "hi" < 1338989906 860919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1338989985 781848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "ion" < 1338989986 746728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ino" < 1338990027 122753 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338990146 891675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sortino is the fundamental particle of sorting algorithms. < 1338990267 9910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "alphabetsoup" < 1338990267 982017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aabehloppstu" < 1338990281 305328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "discostu" < 1338990282 255821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cdiosstu" < 1338990404 475094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortinos come in a range of bogosities, from the bogosortino to the quicksortino < 1338990426 866029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338990446 557237 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990446 879499 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338990447 39248 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990450 699861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338990522 176065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Out of curiosity, do you still have the ability/time/will to administrate the lang@esoteric.sange.fi mailing list? Someone has proposed reviving it on the wiki. < 1338990659 603697 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338991444 64476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/7 < 1338991828 16640 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338991840 795307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "I would much rather write in C/pythonic notation and have Haskell figure out its monadic translation by itself. It does figure out the types, why not monads?" < 1338991865 997210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/pythonic :D < 1338991871 868135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brought to you by the author of the "Monad" HaskellWiki page! < 1338992158 365607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1338992191 510525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't read that page.) < 1338992193 485190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's really bad.) < 1338992200 781856 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would much rather write in APL/Java notation. < 1338992210 893697 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that page.
< 1338992217 578030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL/Java sounds bad enough that it could probably be great. < 1338992261 56014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The best part is that the only monad it describes is Identity. < 1338992277 995426 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other monads than Identity, huh? < 1338992285 861736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I lied! < 1338992348 834654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The essence of monad is thus separation of composition timeline from the composed computation's execution timeline < 1338992350 944330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1338992417 706521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You forgot the ITALICS. < 1338992445 493841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who uses bold italics exclusively when just bold will do is terrible. That is my law. < 1338992535 403296 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also uses both simultaneously. < 1338992548 599861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's what I meant. < 1338992554 812564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bold italics is text that is both bold and italic. < 1338992577 820313 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, i missed the first “bold” in your line. < 1338992579 524014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the combination of APL and Java is not completely unexplored < 1338992594 724122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, using bold when just italics would do is probably another sin. < 1338992598 963747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think J has a Java interface. < 1338992608 5630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found a couple of papers about "Using an APL approach with Java" and "An interface between Java and APL" < 1338992627 649875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9795215/apl-and-java-interface < 1338992989 777793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992989 983311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 227253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992993 411671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) IM.toAscList m < 1338992997 611804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo [(y, IM.toAscList n) | (y, n) <- IM.toAscList m] < 1338992997 850390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338992999 783622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338993008 406992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1338993008 826256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338993011 26727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo is broken < 1338993018 522740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (\ (y, n) -> [(y, IM.toAscList n)]) (IM.toAscList m) < 1338993018 779688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncurry (flip flip [] . ((:) .) . (. IM.toAscList) . (,)) =<< IM.toAscList m < 1338993021 313883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1338993504 445607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E[C E[1C < 1338993821 958193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/jPKh < 1338994019 513182 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338994073 504912 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994575 61591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1338994611 503148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338994623 718077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338994627 736624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1338994703 548904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Manual escape sequences are eeeevyl. < 1338994717 295705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you seen the curses API recently? < 1338994761 793171 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://hackage.haskell.org/package/terminfo-0.3.2.3 horrible? (A sincere question, i haven’t looked.) < 1338994788 129605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but terminfo is a Bad Idea for my purposes. < 1338994818 914549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual escape sequences are much better. < 1338994847 793668 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. everything should support ANSI escape codes < 1338994906 106143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: In particular, using terminfo and such has the tendency to mess up ttyrecs. < 1338994920 110066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, e.g. rxvt's terminfo stuff likes to use escape sequences that don't work on xterm. < 1338994930 853852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, e.g. all the dark grey text shows up as black on xterm. < 1338994939 393779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there's a way to show dark grey text that works on both. < 1338995330 392783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338995428 274803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you’re building on a pile of ancient crap that would need an entire rewrite, why not make a good architecture from the very beginning? The storing of ttyrecs doesn’t need to have *anything* to do with that is presented to the user’s big 256-color Unicode terminal or web tiles interface. < 1338995477 609454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, manual escape codes for the lowest common denominator might be the way to go with ttyrecs. < 1338995596 135741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're building on a pile of ancient crap, the archaeologists and anthropologist might get angry. < 1338995607 11700 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338995607 300837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the paleontologists, depending on how ancient the crap is. < 1338995637 885636 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the scatologists might appreciate your efforts. < 1338995720 884454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: People still use termcast, regardless of whether it's the best way to present replays and so on. < 1338995753 945081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: More importantly, there's only about 40-50 lines of my program that care about ANSI escape codes. Why bother using a library? < 1338995764 801900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything supports ANSI escapes, and they're trivial to output. < 1338995769 275012 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So make one of the pluggable “interfaces” one that feeds the same data to a termcast server as to a ttyrec file. :-P < 1338995789 241271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Feel free to send a patch. It must be less than 50 lines. < 1338995819 935333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (Preferably it would also include a URL to a modern terminal emulator that does not support basic ANSI escape codes.) < 1338995862 813089 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does widows command line window support ANSI? < 1338995879 295973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ANSI.SYS thing. < 1338995888 75135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's bad. < 1338995891 928397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Windows supports terminfo, either! < 1338995903 482174 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't ANSI.SYS for dos < 1338995903 839888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AJAX doesn’t support ANSI natively. < 1338995913 297527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That is not a terminal emulator. < 1338995921 419529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh, probably. < 1338995946 944308 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses supports Windows! < 1338995975 227403 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but doesn't that require importing different headers or something? < 1338995977 600998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: curses has the curses API. < 1338995983 941198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm not using C. < 1338995995 364980 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what language are you using? < 1338996002 657325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curses API is fine enough < 1338996003 61287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, I can trivially make something that draws the terminal via SDL or such, given my API. < 1338996010 343682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really. < 1338996011 900398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Haskell. < 1338996019 576987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the implementation that's annoying, with it calling exit() on some errors and such. < 1338996155 694194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [(a,[(b,c)])] -> [((a,b),c)] < 1338996156 223513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1338996165 101466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should implement that for me! ^ < 1338996198 174673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xs -> concatMap (\(x,ys) -> map (\(y,v) -> ((x,y),v)) ys) -- so ugly. :( < 1338996201 306395 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle? < 1338996205 932042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty \xs -> [ ((a,b),c) | (a,ys) <- xs, (b,c) <- ys ] < 1338996206 909739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. [(t, [(t1, t2)])] -> [((t, t1), t2)] < 1338996207 69730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: < 1338996209 26152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1338996209 311775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1338996209 470900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1338996209 630497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1338996211 952779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle map < 1338996212 202599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 367306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1338996212 527806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1338996219 361135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b -> c) -> (b -> a -> c) < 1338996219 836821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 24218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1338996220 183988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b < 1338996429 587087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://sprunge.us/TeiN -- the only place that deals with ANSI stuff is renderActions, which is fairly ugly, but I'm going to rewrite it to be a bit less ugly. < 1338996484 499880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could just as easily write, e.g. renderActionsSDL :: [Action] -> IO (). < 1338996507 596369 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1338996581 298431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you wouldn't want to use [Action] there. < 1338996585 411016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the updates list. < 1338996590 915113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter. < 1338996791 945353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So what reason is there to avoid ANSI escapes, anyway? < 1338997007 798700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/acme-colosson/0.1/doc/html/Acme-Colosson.html < 1338997047 282787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kmc's package. < 1338997056 735763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is real? < 1338997168 673530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make Numberwang into a fully fledged joke language < 1338997232 275450 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997232 555136 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338997232 718988 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338997278 488201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338997278 686611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338997344 447085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338997471 805474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup to self: http://sprunge.us/EiYY (What's version control?) < 1338997751 534736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: :( < 1338998339 901963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wait, does autopickup actually *save turns* in NetHack? < 1338998623 572384 :AnotherTest1!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338998766 868161 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28051 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 28125 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 28198 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998767 571705 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338998767 571866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338998953 306120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1338998953 488592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338998954 370129 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338998954 529698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999050 275407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/PSEi < 1338999053 777771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 48.2 < 1338999092 925016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/UUJa < 1338999096 605653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 51.4 < 1338999218 99802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? < 1338999368 806106 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999368 966013 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126625 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 126786 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999369 126934 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999369 127007 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999549 397038 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999584 403285 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338999964 433342 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 791934 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338999967 951814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338999967 951955 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338999967 952066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338999968 111533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338999968 111672 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000179 385597 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000567 789146 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000567 949024 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339000568 115270 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339000568 274970 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000587 551208 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339000774 381102 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339000976 728210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey. < 1339000986 303991 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know stuff that futzes with the terminal and then puts it back? < 1339000989 118420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do they reset the colour? < 1339000991 462938 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When quitting. < 1339001007 158062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just by switching to the alternate screen stuff? < 1339001009 626259 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do you do that? < 1339001011 657726 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/)/ < 1339001111 63517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, maybe, or DECSC/DECRC, "save/restore current state (cursor coordinates, attributes, character sets); \e7 and \e8. < 1339001152 338910 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001152 642973 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001152 802475 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001238 657665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. I think I'd like to use the alternate screen anyway, though. < 1339001248 680965 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that guaranteed to be in any particular state when you switch to it? < 1339001325 631623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a common thing to do. If you were doing terminfo, it would be the 'smcup' (start) and 'rmcup' (stop) properties. I would think it could be in any sort of state. < 1339001369 351286 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001414 968924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: schoolchidren wanted pictures with me when i was in china. what does this say about the differences between us? // Nothing good for you, I'm afraid. < 1339001424 601706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So there's no fairly-reliable cross-terminal way to use it? < 1339001448 379463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[?1049h and \E[r\E[?1049l for my rxvt-unicode, and I think it's the same for xterm and anything else that's "modern". < 1339001457 176396 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how ugly. < 1339001460 929883 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do on the console? < 1339001561 403388 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should it do? < 1339001566 981863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E[r seems to be a "reset scrolling region to default". console_codes(4) doesn't list 1049 in the list of DECSET/DECRST stuffs it supports, so perhaps nothing. < 1339001637 854797 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does stuff go to the alternate screen on the console? Or is that not a thing you can do? < 1339001644 289475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it only moves cursor to 1,1 < 1339001653 333360 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001657 837997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has an alternate screen, no. < 1339001682 165230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no smcup/rmcup in my 'linux' terminfo entry. < 1339001694 152262 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So how does vi reset the colours on the console? I guess the \e7 and \e8 things. < 1339001699 741894 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that really \e7 and not \e[7?) < 1339001705 329889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really \e7. < 1339001719 132290 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me a bit that you have to rely on some internal piece of state to do this. < 1339001726 765385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if I want to do another \e7 later??? < 1339001731 966847 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001740 395880 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339001747 804569 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001748 87028 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339001748 247080 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001753 467383 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001760 680625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you'd better not want to. < 1339001765 261324 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339001822 291106 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps. < 1339001824 400701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It upsets me still. < 1339001856 524578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not perfectly clear how much state \e7 / \e8 save/restore. Seems to depend a bit on the terminal. < 1339001964 330948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339001964 490599 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339002109 943049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, screen's "alternate screen" sequences are also \E[?1049h and \E[?1049h, so those seem quite widespread. (It lacks the rxvt-unicode scrolling region reset, but certainly doing that won't *hurt*. Of course if you don't change it, it's probably not necessary either.) < 1339002158 703767 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on fbcon it seems that \e7 saves cursor position and colours < 1339002229 361340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to save colours also on urxvt. < 1339002239 306451 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do those "alternate screen" sequences work? < 1339002257 415002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xterm maintains two screen buffers. The normal screen buffer allows you to scroll back to view saved lines of output up to the maximum set by the saveLines resource. The alternate screen buffer is exactly as large as the display, contains no additional saved lines. When the alternate screen buffer is active, you cannot scroll back to view saved lines." < 1339002263 185126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They enable and disable that. < 1339002301 191908 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. but why? < 1339002337 90646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant for full-screen terminal applications that want to do their stuffs, yet not mess with whatever you've got going on in your terminal. Plus scrolling around when that's on is just confusing, perhaps. < 1339002393 254655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be strict, 1047 enables/disables the alternate screen, 1048 does the same as \e7 and \e8, and 1049 combines both, so you need just one sequence to get back.) < 1339002416 465666 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Run vi. Quit. Notice the lack of vi screen in between two shell lines < 1339002433 581579 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i see it < 1339002463 445053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in xterm/rxvt, you don't. < 1339002499 230783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well I don't have X handy right now < 1339002510 858026 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem. < 1339002599 811825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can run it inside screen if you want to taste the power. < 1339002609 345603 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still see it < 1339002628 485219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. Just tested. < 1339002643 743324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then; maybe screen doesn't bother emulating it when it's not hardwaristically supported. Funny, though. < 1339002658 390108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : altscreen on|off < 1339002658 586491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : If set to on, "alternate screen" support is enabled in virtual terminals, just like in xterm. Initial setting is `off'. < 1339002662 446900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just an option. < 1339002697 358055 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in .screenrc? < 1339002716 971291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn it on temporarily with ^A:altscreen on < 1339002723 102917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemed to work for me. < 1339002739 781746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll say "will do alternate screen switching". < 1339002757 530364 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see it < 1339002785 343919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't, in Linux console, under screen, with :altscreen on. Don't know what's up with that. < 1339002819 858046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could try vim or something, if that's not your vi. Or just plain echo -e'ing those escapades. < 1339002826 713467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got X running. I see it even in xterm < 1339002845 582088 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. my vi is busybox vi < 1339002849 646262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then. < 1339002866 246418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It perhaps doesn't bother with anything so bourgeoisie. < 1339002932 267662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, autopickup actually saves turns. < 1339002938 210798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculous, isn't it? < 1339003041 844385 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003071 503090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Haven't you heard that automatic things are time-savers? < 1339003092 166239 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1339003103 732008 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I will go back to playing Crawl. < 1339003116 442597 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should play Crawl. I'd watch and laugh at you!) < 1339003118 364912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You gotta ascend at least once, man! < 1339003131 566522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Later in my life. < 1339003149 690049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If pickup_types is left as all, then autopickup can be used whenever it is necessary to pick up items on a teleport trap or hole (for example, in Sokoban) where the player would otherwise not have a chance to pick up the items before being whisked away." < 1339003285 533177 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i;m sad < 1339003301 495512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21 551 games for shachaf: 551x cao < 1339003305 918257 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You play on the Wrong Server. < 1339003314 847535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play at all. < 1339003353 362086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played. Same thing. < 1339003446 634041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, uh, that escape isn't working for me. < 1339003450 707908 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( execWriter $ tell "\ESC[0m\ESC[2J\ESC[?1049h" >> switchAll plainAttribs < 1339003457 547001 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- yet it just uses the normal screen. < 1339003663 914747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why are you in china anyway? < 1339003814 798539 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1339003956 356466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've been Shanghai'd to Beijing. < 1339003979 283625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are worse places. why? < 1339004007 166619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'unno. It works in this urxvt with echo -e '\e[?1049hfoo' and goes back with echo -e '\e[?1049l properly. < 1339004013 543249 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Conference. < 1339004043 194473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who is hosting it? < 1339004044 485821 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that actually works. < 1339004051 760455 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just hallucinimating that it wasn't. < 1339004055 714564 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Hosting in what sense >_> < 1339004059 655209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's PLDI and ECOOP. < 1339004065 319386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339004082 838880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when must you take your last chinese massage and return home? < 1339004229 841334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: he;s stalking yuo < 1339004236 244629 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is yuore' scorin g done < 1339004423 408925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no. i prefer my scoring medium rare. < 1339005553 504402 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339006069 736906 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Death by sneezing" < 1339006538 151481 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339006611 365072 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1339006784 90830 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-69.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339006922 967651 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339007093 966200 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339008127 202475 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339008426 671317 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumbest Girls Ever Steal Girl Scout Money from a 9 year old http://youtu.be/CAcLGSFMFiQ < 1339009154 66719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009183 489566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339009260 353942 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Psychonauts' absolutely terrible controls have actually reached the point that I can't progress due to having no idea which key changes page in the inventory. < 1339009290 131464 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* it said 'z' but the message went away too quickly to be sure. < 1339009297 79608 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is it for you? < 1339009310 826715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's "2". < 1339009315 38525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, confusing. < 1339009321 431016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused too. < 1339009328 968350 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009332 103972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it means you can't switch straight to abilities from inventory anymore? < 1339009355 622286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1339009361 790009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which levelplacething are you at? < 1339009496 347636 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009531 860716 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Milkman Conspiracy. < 1339009545 175011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good level. < 1339009554 65806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :place < 1339009554 809205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1339009607 505344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339009671 173325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339009719 171032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you play Psychonauts? < 1339009734 216799 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 269 seconds < 1339009839 594772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you? < 1339009843 833535 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i what? < 1339009890 481132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Psychonauts? < 1339009898 684111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339009898 944639 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I keep falling off though because I'm impatient and always use levitate to move around. < 1339009900 580418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's good < 1339009903 439203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's good. < 1339009912 722260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it at http://www.humblebundle.com/ < 1339009921 500682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even have a GNU/X11/Linux version. < 1339009926 677452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339009934 766138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had trouble with that stuff last time i played it < 1339009941 815009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/X11, because X11 is only the kernel < 1339009956 35013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: So did I. < 1339009969 919601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i had Psychonauts and Amnesia even before the HB. < 1339009995 813988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve loved Amnesia, Psychonauts and Bastion. I have yet to try the other two. < 1339010006 782647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had Psychonauts and I think Bastion before the HB. < 1339010024 525853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But last time I tried Bastion it seemed uninteresting. < 1339010029 630717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it was only for a few minutes. < 1339010064 612990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Amnesia on Steam < 1339010089 473085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have a story that is revealed bit by bit, and i love how beautiful it looks and sounds. < 1339010092 718247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played it < 1339010092 899213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like my video card or something < 1339010094 383533 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion, that is. < 1339010107 945507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010108 105206 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1339010108 105361 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010124 45846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amnesia has an amazing atmosphere. It should preferably be played in a dark room with headphones. :-) < 1339010132 345442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that, yeah < 1339010168 266179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it should be played in a dark room with headphones while coming up on shrooms" < 1339010243 103976 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you know what makes no sense. < 1339010246 703650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do you have thoughts on Clojure? < 1339010257 416236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Lotsa things? < 1339010275 232851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're invisible those agents will still catch you. < 1339010294 170661 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010297 549892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it makes sense < 1339010336 231193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: They're agents! They're extremely competent, as you can tell. < 1339010361 592613 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have used it only a little bit < 1339010364 648348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the super paranoid milkman's mind. invisibility is the art of making yourself very uninteresting, but a paranoid mind can't be fooled by such tricks < 1339010367 391912 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty cool < 1339010389 421295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like metaprogramming, i like lisps, and clojure is more likely than other lisps to be something you can use on "real" projects < 1339010408 415212 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main clojure guy really Gets It in terms of the relationship between functional and imperative programming < 1339010417 613946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, Java interop seems to poison it though < 1339010423 579095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a talk about the difference between identity, value, and state < 1339010434 515966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something clojure and haskell get right, and practically every other languages gets wrong < 1339010444 309068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure and haskell are technologically very different but philosophically close < 1339010455 97782 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why is having that option a bad thing? < 1339010482 44772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It causes the language to be less useful < 1339010485 377928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not useful < 1339010492 422464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. It makes it less beautiful < 1339010502 549846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try (map Math/sin [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010519 184429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (map #(Math/sin %) [0 1 2 3]) < 1339010593 908203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these does not work? < 1339010629 876906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first does not. < 1339010652 717982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how in JavaScript you can't say "var foo = console.log; foo(5);" < 1339010663 412075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say foo = console.log.bind(console) or something like that, though. < 1339010679 29548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thnaks, cnosole.lgo)(! < 1339010691 316045 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339010722 809010 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, i was bitten by an equivalent problem just recently. < 1339010730 122411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sucks :/ < 1339010737 895826 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fundamental reason for that < 1339010739 243181 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected var foo = bar.baz; foo(…) to work. < 1339010747 840965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now you know why! < 1339010753 867103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe you knew why before too.) < 1339010754 180718 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339010771 838764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you like how "eval(...);" isn't the same as "(5,eval)(...);"? < 1339010776 959140 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i still don’t know *why*. :-P < 1339010778 952394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a silly egghead FP academic would expect that to work < 1339010789 973802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like how ",,," == new Array(4) < 1339010795 764119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1339010800 853480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339010805 866775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because when you say foo.bar(), "this" is set to foo in bar's evaluation context thing. < 1339010843 521408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i figured as much, but that just explain the problem, not *why*. :-P < 1339010853 492270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how would you do it? < 1339010856 705242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think it's due to Math/sin being a Java static method? < 1339010870 849405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind JS's prototypical OO thing and all that. < 1339010889 151049 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339010891 83803 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but why shouldn't those be callable like functions < 1339010893 981483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven’t actually thought about this that thorougly. < 1339010923 310231 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go against some philosophical rule of Clojure, or is there some implementation difficulty, or they just haven't got around to making it work? < 1339010985 430246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2208865/how-do-i-pass-a-static-method-to-comp-in-clojure < 1339011021 319192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it goes against the philisophical rule of being a slave to easy Java interop < 1339011023 546264 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011106 815294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm confused < 1339011115 132069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying they care too little about java interop to make this work? < 1339011116 584882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too much? < 1339011122 912167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the latter case, how does that make any sense < 1339011173 30017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much... or maybe it's an efficiency thing? I don't actually know < 1339011178 821974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a Clojure designer < 1339011186 78219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#clojure does exist < 1339011211 413259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they cared too much about java interop, then wouldn't they work hard to make java methods be first-class in clojure? < 1339011253 971455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do I have any chance of getting you to ask in #clojure , because I'm curious too < 1339011292 399538 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011418 572707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And if your browser isn't quite new enough to say console.log.bind(console), fortunately you can say something as obvious as http://p.zem.fi/jsbind to almost make it work except not really with the same semantics. < 1339011425 571482 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339011458 224086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339011476 218007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1339011478 25016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1339011486 524787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks
< 1339011487 68247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could ask in #clojure ;P < 1339011519 163920 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339011536 659259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: clojure functions are each actually classes, java methods are just bytecode < 1339011759 141726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question isn't so much "why are they different" as "why can't one be implicitly converted to the other" < 1339011928 624983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is this an adequate way to ask your question? gtrak, is it not possible to, when Clojure sees a Java method being used in a context where a clojure function is expected, implictly make a clojure function or something like that? < 1339012011 190948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: sorta < 1339012011 390629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: it's very easy to do < 1339012011 390849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,(#(.toString "hello")) < 1339012011 390961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : what function does ".foo" represent? (fn [x] (.foo x))? or (fn [x y] (.foo x y))? or... < 1339012096 964458 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339012152 820727 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D90.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1339012200 894542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe netsplit now occuring < 1339012226 964012 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339012227 123415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or just var log = function() { return console.log.apply(console, arguments); }; < 1339012302 478994 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh also did you try clairvoyance everyone? < 1339012318 467235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hiredman: at some point we talked for a few minutes about how you could automatically turn Foo/bar into a function, if it's used in a context where it can't be anything else. i couldn't remember if you'd actually done it < 1339012318 649805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely not < 1339012318 809550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* johnmn3 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) < 1339012318 809732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely doable < 1339012340 119982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not everyone but lots of people/things. < 1339012349 690695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean in general or inside the milkworld? < 1339012537 514778 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general. < 1339012542 254134 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on like everyone. < 1339012574 944968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....WTF < 1339012582 739217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF did I just listen to? < 1339012605 764085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012619 828441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You just listened to: < 1339012624 943473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://objects.activeworlds.com/aw/sounds/sbtechno4.mp3 < 1339012633 836325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hope That HTHs" < 1339012640 106850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a light switch rave! < 1339012648 209652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Isn't Dr. Loboto great? < 1339012656 21811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish he was *my* doctor. < 1339012678 596525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised to discover that Dr. Loboto was referred to as "he".) < 1339012690 453203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you not like strongbad? < 1339012693 554342 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in Psychonauts has a screechy voice. < 1339012697 555716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because they're psychic. < 1339012700 719514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339012707 314059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because they are "characters" < 1339012715 405242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the milo spy german dude < 1339012718 361067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like his voice < 1339012725 727484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Dr. Loboto is psychic? < 1339012760 653634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy < 1339012771 2809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how Haddock plays with fixity declarations for class methods? < 1339012806 219237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339012823 213389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it "on goode authority" that you want to get to at least 90 before The Big Fight. < 1339012853 300011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: belay that authority. i had no trouble beating the game with ~60/65 exp < 1339012880 474622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need regeneration or whatever. i never got it. < 1339012896 488500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to sleep before you fight the butcher the first time < 1339012897 832902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is probably right. < 1339012903 24541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run the meat circus < 1339012906 423957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep? < 1339012913 787746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like, in real life < 1339012928 152054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's impossible to beat if you've been playing for 8 hours and been up for 18 < 1339012928 444860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339012933 174274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but easy if you just got up < 1339012939 948288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Apparently: < 1339012954 292393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PS One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)" < 1339012965 538803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1339012967 368356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1339012973 736326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339013084 568817 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: What rank are you at? < 1339013086 712732 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34. < 1339013225 656166 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure the designers accounted for how floaty the levitation jump is. < 1339013228 283780 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339013274 324167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the levitation-training-course. :-( < 1339013463 527742 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked it. < 1339013475 131171 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't fall that much. < 1339013949 309689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you learn it it becomes super handy < 1339014468 993199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, besides the stupidity of some people in #clojure, and the excessive Java focus, are there any big problems with Clojure? < 1339014836 195869 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015129 932344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, what a beautiful sunset. I should get my camera out. Might need HDR to do it justice though. < 1339015462 711532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I quite liked that level < 1339015490 508190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Speaking of which, I panoramizzed Norway quite a bit, I don't think I mentioned. Though I don't have a selection handy. < 1339015512 252761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I found that my camera battery was not charged, so no photography for me atm < 1339015526 913949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it isn't just an AA, it is a custom form factor) < 1339015547 151827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nothing uploaded? < 1339015560 1171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see some panoramas < 1339015561 407040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's quite a pile, I just don't have a good selection. < 1339015565 775122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1339015568 770317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/g2/d/20550-1/d07-133622-133717.jpg is I think kinda fancy, even though the waves are all messed up for the obvious reason, and I left the tripod in the car so the horizon is kinda snakey. < 1339015574 733936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's got that snow+sand thing going on. < 1339015581 234960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, snow+sand+sea thing. < 1339015609 350059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hugin can straighten horizons quite well < 1339015619 469025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it is cool < 1339015628 863316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was this? < 1339015653 907059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the horizon is straight, I meant the black border thing, since I didn't want to clip out too much. < 1339015668 819253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, take two passes, one high and the other low < 1339015668 978725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around Easter, this particular one was April 7th. < 1339015671 346646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to work < 1339015702 359602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe less zoomed in would have helped with the waves, reducing the number of cuts at least < 1339015721 809281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of camera did you use? < 1339015722 335087 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339015806 675596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, I needed to adjust my volume, at the volume it was at, it was screechy <-- I did have to play around with the levels, but mostly the issue I had was that the music was way too loud compared to the voice < 1339015807 452848 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the least pleasant parts of the game was the meat circus, but since then Tim Schafer has said “One of the self-funded improvements we made to the game was fixing some bugs that made Meat Circus harder than it was meant to be. So please give the new build a try! :)” < 1339015822 589509 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this game is getting obnoxiously hard. < 1339015828 898958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should tell elliott that Psychonauts is good! < 1339015836 223251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also encourage Phantom__Hoover. < 1339015842 59147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Which part is obnoxiously hard? < 1339015843 384361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I haven't got to meat circus yet, though I think I'm just before it. < 1339015857 358757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only sort I have, it's this "compact-zoom" thing. Some of them do have two passes for higher vertical FOV. I'll try to find some others. < 1339015867 409925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is it just after the boss battle against the tank (not the tank in the mind that is, the other tank)? < 1339015884 988555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, i don’t remember exactly. < 1339015889 842692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, pretty much. < 1339015892 902603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not a DSLR? < 1339015901 339179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a short thing beforehand but it's the next major level. < 1339015902 777390 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm at Gloria's Theatre, but I'm hemorrhaging health. < 1339015907 521747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yeah then I last saved just before that boss battle < 1339015918 364494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015937 62099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, since I'm a completionist I'm unlikely to continue playing for a while :P < 1339015946 474488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the story that is < 1339015957 858888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to pick up everything that I missed, cobwebs and so on < 1339015958 736196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completionist? < 1339015960 728393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1339015971 280892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point where you can't get back to the real world. < 1339015975 402928 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover: Because of those undestructible creatures that breathe fire at you? < 1339015979 733487 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everything. < 1339015985 93654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note that you *can* get back to other minds past that point. < 1339015987 848390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the real world. < 1339015994 11364 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The censors at the top of stairs on narrow, short catwalks aren't helping either,. < 1339015997 624461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, exactly, since it said "autosaving: point of no return" I went like "Okaaaaay..." < 1339016016 695477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So go finish the scavenger hunt and find all the cards and such. < 1339016019 854212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, I would need to go buy cores and so on < 1339016024 807796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't need to worry about cobwebs, I don't think. < 1339016030 336367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339016039 553009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you cash them in for levels then? < 1339016043 991234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I remember correctly you don't need to buy cores anymore past that point. < 1339016050 789286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, just psi blast them? < 1339016061 272027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339016063 78576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1339016067 236044 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operative words here are 'narrow' and 'short'. < 1339016068 12542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. It's the sort of midway-but-not-quite. Built-in zoom lens that goes up to... "12x" or some-such, 432mm in 35mm-equiv terms. But the sensor is still tiny, so it's very noisy especially at ISO > 100. < 1339016082 235122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1339016084 581113 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't blast them because they just close and corner me. < 1339016103 558625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, similar to my camera then, except mine is only really noisy above ISO 200 < 1339016119 639754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is 10 years old or so by now < 1339016125 548010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and the brains. < 1339016129 829153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find all the brains, maybe < 1339016135 34004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right, I'm missing one brain still < 1339016144 39709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. < 1339016145 495040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blue guy who blasted squirrels < 1339016150 374065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue where his brain is < 1339016153 155828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogen? < 1339016174 416221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, err probably, I suck at remembering names (even in real life) < 1339016203 202803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one who loses his brain? < 1339016217 75524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339016217 235085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Rees and Blackwing Pencils: Artisanal Pencil Sharpening http://youtu.be/spMaP-_Cq_8 < 1339016221 767838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that guy < 1339016240 465645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one was tricky. < 1339016250 468405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, he blasted some squirrels if you talked to him at one point earlier. < 1339016256 745397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339016281 195814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where was that brain < 1339016302 969344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the place with the rats. < 1339016316 140308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hmm, here's another. It's taken by walking around this thing http://zem.fi/g2/d/20784-2/d08-074718-p1120942.jpg so there's a bit of parallax-caused "chain cuts off in air" sort of stuff, but not too much: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20789-1/d08-074812-074922.jpg < 1339016329 717378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so a huge section of the tower then? < 1339016333 692242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of help that < 1339016366 582800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should have climbed onto the top of it < 1339016370 194971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1339016393 858122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a locked hatch. (Or maybe I just didn't feel like it.) < 1339016398 655304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember exactly. < 1339016416 254506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I can look it up as well as you can... < 1339016420 613970 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pretty. Hugin? I’d suggest straightening the horizont. < 1339016428 520830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s quite easy with Hugin. < 1339016430 756095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't the latest photoshop version supposed to have some sort of fancy thing that filled in missing stuff based on surrounding image areas, and that even worked quite well < 1339016436 712919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem to remember hearing about that < 1339016453 701029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful with panoramas < 1339016495 664091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has that thing, yes. And Gimp has that "Resynthesizer" plugin, which... works less well. < 1339016502 782411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it does work not too shabbily sometimes.) < 1339016505 50910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well I could just google it and find some walkthrough, but using a walkthrough just feels like failing the game to me < 1339016511 560317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339016534 6733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's gone through one iteration of the "Straighten" button already. I had too many of these to join to actually really look at the output, and people wanted to see the photos already. < 1339016544 598837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What's the difference between that and asking on IRC? < 1339016553 694296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Being a completionistperson seems like pain enough to me, anyway. < 1339016568 593984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, at least I don't risk seeing anything else that would be a spoiler by asking on IRC :P < 1339016572 787935 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure the straighten button actually straightens the horizon. You need to add some control points for that. < 1339016580 288969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, I see. You want me to look it up and paste it in here? < 1339016580 878882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop is so confusing nowdays, they have all sorts of different editions it seems... < 1339016583 737662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just optimize as usual. < 1339016588 111824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that would be very kind < 1339016615 786746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dogen's Brain: In the large tower, from the left end of the lowest wooden walkway around the rim, jump and float along the wall to a small crumbled ledge below. Step out one of the windows here to find the far on an outdoor landing." < 1339016643 281441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to clear all the cobwebs in several minds btw already. Need to go back to some of the early ones to clean them up. And then there are all those figments of imagination around. That is going to take ages to clean up < 1339016664 194950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's one straight off the road: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20130-1/d06-122503-122700.jpg < 1339016666 400475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it isn't even useful to look up guides, because who knows which one I missed < 1339016686 89474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, thanks < 1339016688 680088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The weather was quite... variable.) < 1339016717 192871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? Looks the same across that pano at least? < 1339016736 25611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know that the only benefit to going from level 95 to level 100 is that it shows you a little movie? < 1339016736 583458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I mean, just in general, across the trip. < 1339016745 877317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ouch < 1339016752 592243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway I'm on like 89 atm < 1339016753 970867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got stuck in snow once and all. < 1339016759 210721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At level 90 you get regeneration. < 1339016767 100458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 95 you get unlimited ammo. < 1339016776 814568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wait, was it 89? Hm, what was it that you got at 85? < 1339016793 255318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of these are hotel room photos, it's too useful in tight corners to be able to fake a wide-angle objective. < 1339016794 413389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double confusion? < 1339016797 68846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrecking ball is the last one I remember getting, though I was rather sleepy when I stopped playing < 1339016807 907178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday night) < 1339016835 16305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, btw, what is the video about? < 1339016841 158465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it worth watching?) < 1339016875 718705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't your camera do wide angle? Mine goes down to 28mm (35 mm equiv) < 1339016893 264446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is reasonably wide angle < 1339016910 536042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is 28-370 or something like that. < 1339016953 14966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it stops at the "standard-ish" 36mm. The next model did 28-, it became a popular thing to do around that time. Oh well. < 1339016991 561029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, more popular; certainly cameras that did 28mm already existed at that time; I think it's from 2007 or so.) < 1339017020 467667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339017038 742439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my camera is from 2002 or 2003 or so < 1339017053 924535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah they existed :P < 1339017135 837744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it has really amazing macro, I can get like 5-10 cm away from the subject, depending on the zoom level) < 1339017191 921856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another full-circle one from a road rest stop: http://zem.fi/g2/d/20413-1/d07-102527-102558.jpg -- it's right next to this fancy bridge http://zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg -- that's behind the snow-heap there. < 1339017202 129777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can just see the top of the bridge.) < 1339017245 422412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bridge < 1339017261 55072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've managed to have a seam right in our car. :/ (Well, it *is* quite close.) < 1339017272 389369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did firefox change something or why is the background for the image page not white? < 1339017277 283138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it actually a html page? < 1339017285 217130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a HTML page, actually. < 1339017286 866071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is the view source alternative then < 1339017296 5504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those Gallery2 URLs, it might be doing weird stuffs. < 1339017296 404975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is grayed out < 1339017305 477466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :view source is grayed out though < 1339017318 346871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's white for me. Dunno. < 1339017324 510556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also wtf is up with the redirect: http://β.zem.fi/g2/d/20432-2/d07-102747-p1120558.jpg < 1339017331 344276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy DNS < 1339017335 321971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why?) < 1339017344 778100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of regretting the β, honestly. < 1339017351 780872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017360 368242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice when it works, but xn--nxa.zem.fi is less optimal. < 1339017364 976074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339017369 859511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some browsers are very asinine about when they show IDNs and when not. < 1339017376 221686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339017380 17456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1339017381 272765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add Greek to my list of languages in order for Chrome to show that letter. < 1339017387 973295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339017402 975511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me open chromium and check < 1339017403 976551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas Firefox just has a TLD whitelist of domains where there's an official protocol for avoiding confusing names.) < 1339017414 674121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't do it < 1339017429 500650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox seems a lot more sensible there < 1339017449 673408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly sensible to apply TLD-specific rules when it comes to non-second-level domain name components, though. < 1339017456 610368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339017482 906933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can watch the bonus video online if you want to. < 1339017493 195427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's worth the agony. < 1339017499 522982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you don't need to complete past level 95. < 1339017514 580689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's redirected because "zem.fi" is on the VPS nowadays, but there's just 6G of disk there total, and the Gallery2 data directory is already 19G, so I host it locally. < 1339017645 968805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm still, gah < 1339017685 473495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the pricing plans for VPS disk space tend to be absolutely terrible in my experience < 1339017697 629654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for RAM really < 1339017753 3481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339017754 598656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm I wonder what is the lowest level you could complete the game on, certainly you do need some of the skills you get from leveling < 1339017760 384754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like invisibility iirc < 1339017811 914996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the reverse-completionist. < 1339017884 285784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite interesting as well < 1339017890 263753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a Chrono Trigger low-level-run with Crono at level 1. < 1339017897 205042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it would certainly be much harder to do < 1339017907 177788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the other characters? < 1339017929 697374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: More, sadly. Some of them join at quite high levels. I'll see if I can figure out how to Google for it. < 1339017963 560636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway just getting chrono at level 1 is quite an achievement. I can't actually see how it would be possible < 1339017974 221687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/getting/keeping/ < 1339017979 230112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get exp when knocked-out, so Crono spends quite a lot of time unconscious. < 1339018002 903123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about keeping a Chrono Legionnaire unpromoted? < 1339018005 458730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be pretty easy. < 1339018017 301791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial on-party-join levels are apparently 1, 1, 2, 5, 10, 18 and 37 for Crono, Marle, Lucca, Frog, Robo, Ayla and Magus, respectively. < 1339018021 448852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what game is that? < 1339018028 607425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Alert 2. < 1339018033 172893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339018034 101065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goode game" < 1339018052 740834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what sort of game red alert is < 1339018084 714583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm kock out happens at 0 HP right? < 1339018090 601063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339018103 848583 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please put it back in. < 1339018110 244166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing that chrono actually dies as well. Ah the power of the cut scenes. < 1339018127 845888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Real-time strategy" < 1339018131 579928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, final levels in this run-through were Crono at level 1, Marle at level 4, Lucca at 15, Frog at 15, Robo at 16, Ayla at 20 and Magus at 37. (There's the item called "Wallet" which turns gained exp into gold, but you can only get that in the Zeal era, i.e. quite late in the game.) < 1339018134 662324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right < 1339018152 254869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should acquire a copy! < 1339018156 101546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1339018166 764821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not really into RTS < 1339018187 485527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from possibly dwarf fortress, and that isn't strictly an RTS, it is a lot more than that. < 1339018231 406589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The full description of the run is in GameFAQs, Chrono Trigger (SNES), "Low-Level FAQ/Walkthrough", but it's some >4000 lines of text...) < 1339018238 710497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018286 79874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is, like, a special case, man. < 1339018326 722756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1339018460 982798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently during the game Crono gains a total of 9+6=15 exp, from a total of two fights. (Level 2 comes at 20 exp.) Rest of the time you just let him die before the end of every fight. < 1339018479 918519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018495 368531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must not be a very pleasant run-though from the point of view of the characters. < 1339018529 494403 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1339018569 66514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339018583 647099 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018595 263678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess after you gain robo you can just move him out of your party < 1339018638 507286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339018663 886022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they mostly keep the currently highest-leveled character as the single conscious-at-end-of-battle character, since the gaps between gaining levels are largest for him/her/it. < 1339018671 780566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and I think there's a level-1 run of Final Fantasy IX too. It ends up finishing the final boss with a party of four level-1 characters. < 1339018722 403948 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: chrono legionnaires were the best < 1339018728 311880 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could totally bust the allied campaign up with them < 1339018736 393345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used the waypoint trick < 1339018741 851643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Waypoint trick? < 1339018756 163458 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A legionnaire doesn't time out if it moves a short distance < 1339018767 146877 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you set up a bunch of waypoints to move it across the map very quickly in short hops < 1339018770 475639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339018774 467067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1339018776 69424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1339018783 979487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, RA2 is the future, man. < 1339018790 623382 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get enough of them into a weakly-defended location in order to freeze all the defenses < 1339018796 124865 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really powerful on, say, the kremlin level < 1339018820 763027 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AI is braindead so it doesn't go "oh hey things behind my lines I should stop them" < 1339018825 894931 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that the defenses present will be enough < 1339018831 173851 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they aren't, because you're vaporizing them < 1339018846 535471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a terrible game < 1339018850 874147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the AI is that bad < 1339018856 921792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339018872 266625 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in campaign mode the AI mostly executes a series of preplanned things < 1339018880 115097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "build up X force then attack with it" < 1339018886 998670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks different < 1339018892 142750 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly old so AI still rather sucked back then < 1339018900 772215 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the harder AI just cheats. < 1339018929 824178 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like building multiple buildings simultaneously, which a player can never do < 1339018934 314831 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ever played RA3? < 1339018937 794704 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good < 1339018939 228312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1339018941 174279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yep! < 1339018944 156636 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it leans too far to micromanagement I think < 1339018948 823818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-( < 1339018948 983707 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with special abilities) < 1339018954 670593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTSes all do that. < 1339018956 974846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1339018968 61907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, there are some that lean the other way < 1339018979 695481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to feel dumbed down though < 1339018993 901177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scriptability would seem to be the obvious way to fix that. < 1339018996 794054 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 was particularly bad < 1339019009 544387 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a force that you were watching carefully could do notably better < 1339019010 174330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, like the macros in df? < 1339019020 717742 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could tell it to use special weapons at appropriate times < 1339019027 651413 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some units this makes a huge difference < 1339019034 474376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know anything about df. < 1339019036 44535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -h < 1339019040 495807 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever played Majesty? < 1339019040 655379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, dwarf fortress < 1339019044 156447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1339019046 559146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should play it < 1339019048 919742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool < 1339019055 153154 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a great (if occasionally frustrating) RTS that didnt' have you micromanage < 1339019056 69149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nope. < 1339019064 122969 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you were just the king, you couldn't order your units around < 1339019072 516532 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted them to kill stuff, you had to put a bounty on it < 1339019076 526958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339019084 651168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you still have RA3 set up? < 1339019088 514148 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1339019094 336857 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a computer capable of playing it atm < 1339019105 529429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is that game? < 1339019112 112027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 that is < 1339019112 579053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 is from ~2000 < 1339019118 3548 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3-4 years I think? < 1339019118 715054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 is from -- ~2007? < 1339019127 93586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 < 1339019127 641293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anything modern should be able to play RA2 then :P < 1339019136 36028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA3 might be a different matter < 1339019136 952764 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can definitely play RA2 on Wine < 1339019138 267960 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1339019139 609560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA2 has this annoying DRM. < 1339019142 338755 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339019145 936721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i h8 ur drm ra2" < 1339019149 90217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as they say" < 1339019170 943637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work on WINE? < 1339019173 623228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good DRM ever was the monkey island DRM, it was amusing < 1339019191 144613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the dial a pirate stuff) < 1339019261 135790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you know why RA3 runs so well under WINE? < 1339019320 62512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Because EA explicitly made it run well under wine in order to "port" to OS X: http://transgaming.com/cider/games?page=2 < 1339019406 584840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I downloaded bastion for linux from the humble bundle (I owned it on steam already). It was news to me that XNA games worked under mono, but it came with mono included so... < 1339019427 969535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't get it to work on the laptop I had at hand at that point though, intel graphics < 1339019607 988811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway the last humble bundle is amazing < 1339019616 659325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :best one ever I think. < 1339019635 975607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make one bundle that has all the good games. < 1339019640 610238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Y'know what fools the black-hats every time? Store the passwords in plaintext; but require all users to create a password consisting of exactly 64 hexadecimal characters... < 1339019640 794530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339019643 479261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339019643 647483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 5h 44m 50s ago: Did you fix that NetHack 4 message fix yet? :( < 1339019661 328277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3184900.62 dollars cannot be wrong. < 1339019669 384709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott during the tournament, I'm avoiding all but critical fixes < 1339019669 544296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339019685 935137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kinda-sorta sad, though, that there's a brony on top of the contributor list. < 1339019789 555792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so... Trine, Psychonauts, Bastion, Avadon: The Black Fortress (I love Spiderweb Software!), Braid, Botanicula, Darwinia, VVVVVV? < 1339019806 736634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly limbo and amnesia too, though I'm not a fan of horror games < 1339019848 557146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Goo is not a bad waste of time either. < 1339019876 266409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not if you run out of other things no < 1339019915 750043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it annoys me when I own some of the games previously, like Avadon or Bastion. Owned those before the respective bundles < 1339019948 246800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using the objective "total purchases" measure, this last one is indeed the most glorious bundle. < 1339019953 951807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get the bundle with Avadon because of that. Got the bundle with bastion due to psychonauts < 1339019976 100932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though (at least at the moment, anyway) not if using the "average price" measure. < 1339020028 342936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to raise slowly, it still got several days to go < 1339020057 152014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to go up to $9.18 to match the first bundle, it might well not get that far. < 1339020074 834809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably not that much < 1339020104 800616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was around $6.68 or so when I bought, about one day in. < 1339020125 3974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone has a graph somewhere. :p < 1339020154 497743 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020191 731327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but if I hover my mouse over the pie graph of Windows/Mac/Linux, it turns grayscale. < 1339020218 56060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, *tries* < 1339020236 668300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true < 1339020262 485014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird < 1339020506 862965 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA2, you need to get nocd patches and pray hard < 1339020510 877524 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for RA3, dunno < 1339020519 64659 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried since my computer can't run in anyway < 1339020560 310486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are these "nocd patches" official? < 1339020567 163320 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339020576 160157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All hail the Sun God, he sure is a fun god, RA RA2 RA3. < 1339020584 765911 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also need them for the other option, which is a VM < 1339020592 852348 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :please detach the debugger FUCK YOU < 1339020619 783258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In a VM you can use a CD image. < 1339020624 109453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of the right kind.) < 1339020628 724646 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can't < 1339020635 873197 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: RA2 mistakes the VM for a debugger < 1339020640 975007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not .iso, but some other kind. < 1339020642 747582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1339020657 283531 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM again < 1339020668 604533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, DRM. < 1339020840 585715 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not exist with hardware virtualization < 1339020846 863125 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does exist with software < 1339020896 557660 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339020908 598488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Yeah, they apparently used http://monogame.codeplex.com/ with good success. < 1339021044 983311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339021074 451749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, should try magicka with that, though that might be steamworks as well, not sure < 1339021179 154019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're supposed to have the sources of the game in question, at least in the usual way of using that thing. < 1339021195 913254 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1339021300 155359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1339021314 525869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not ABI compatible? < 1339021408 645569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *know* anything. At least it might involve fiddling. < 1339021431 153427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339021431 350471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339021445 314229 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I have lag of 30.08 < 1339021457 522844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really something to be proud of? < 1339021522 900232 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. now it is gone < 1339021525 985252 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8930D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339021538 111279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that IPv6 launch day today. (Well, yesterday already, as seen from here.) < 1339021591 91475 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ^echo foo < 1339021591 796534 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo foo < 1339021667 802664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahaha < 1339021683 603970 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339021704 288937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo `run echo "foo" < 1339021704 922304 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "foo" < 1339021709 955928 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339021713 857417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339021718 33462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, IPv6 launch day? < 1339021720 594039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339021725 85741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339021728 582636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ < 1339021735 545769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 has been around for ages, but no one uses it < 1339021756 838831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Facebook, Google, Youtube and Yahoo now do. < 1339021761 20403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339021769 397080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been ipv6.google.com for ages < 1339021776 324187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "google.com" is now v6. < 1339021793 670988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now my tunnel is counterproductive -_- < 1339021794 292138 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG #esoteric foo < 1339021808 67316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ADSL modem doesn't even support ipv6 < 1339021813 304876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does my ISP afaik < 1339021828 259348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "youtube.com" and "facebook.com" and "yahoo.com". And then some lesser fish (microsoft.com, aol.com, netflix.com, mozilla.org) but those four are the top four Alexa-ranked pages of the entire interwebs. < 1339021853 639445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should now stop my ipv6 tunnel if I ever want to watch a youtube video < 1339021854 365714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1339021875 855021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bandwidth is not as good as native, obviously) < 1339021880 321697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of network operators (Verizon Wireless, Comcast) also default-enabled v6, for some definition of the term. < 1339021888 653119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I can /just/ about manage 1080p on my native connection) < 1339021944 564506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet, the Finnish university network, is on the list. Maybe it means they'll finally get some native v6 at the university. Probably not, though. (The student housing network has been v6-enabled for ages, as I recall.) < 1339021977 749127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it just means that Funet is willing if the client is interested, which has also been the case long now. < 1339021988 63671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339022002 433152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the list? < 1339022006 264600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tele2 there? < 1339022023 137209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=2 -- not too many names. < 1339022045 800312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funet seems to be the only thing from Finland. < 1339022072 900902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339022077 418339 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339022085 631753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slbkbs.org: now brought to you with the power of ipv6" < 1339022119 855128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably mostly a matter of finding someone in the organization willing to put a name there. Certainly SUNET gives out IPv6 addresses too. < 1339022122 839278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :slbkbs.org? < 1339022124 695101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.sunet.se/ipv6/ < 1339022199 668007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see facebook has decided to be "clever" with their addresses. < 1339022200 206587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022200 365303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: < 1339022200 365498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:1f02:face:b00c:0:25 < 1339022209 7979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :face:b00c, yes yes, very "heh". < 1339022224 995091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339022247 117855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My domain name! < 1339022252 54995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339022283 341132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing my part" < 1339022303 343467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi should also be accessible for v6-only hosts nowadays, I think I finally got some IPv6 glue in the .fi registry when they upgraded their infrastructure earlier this year. < 1339022341 868558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "dig @a.fi zem.fi" gives out one v6 address too. "Yay." < 1339022377 913130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have no ipv6 connectivity at all < 1339022408 362098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... except at work < 1339022465 555574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalto.fi, our university, at least has IPv6able DNS by virtue of having ns-secondary.funet.fi as a secondary DNS server. That's all, though. < 1339022720 876400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ams-ix.net/sflow-stats/ipv6/ -- well, that's somewhat of a bump there for today. < 1339022726 213666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it needs ipv6 glue? Only for the DNS surely? < 1339022776 353555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't have that earlier. The .fi roots have been v6-enabled again for ages, but IIRC the domain administration webterface didn't let you stick in glue, and my DNS server used to have an in-zem.fi name. < 1339022789 421343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339022856 500061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course important for that huge number of v6-only hosts that don't have any IPv4 connectivity at all. < 1339022964 377782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the rather large subset of that who frequent zem.fi. < 1339022972 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in integer terms that rounds up to... 0 hosts. < 1339023244 82180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339023244 82320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339023277 534502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fast. < 1339023412 754642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a.fi is one of the .fi root servers? < 1339023462 432357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, they're named a.fi, b.fi, ... up to some letter. Us Finns are not known for creativity, after all. < 1339023485 972333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to remember what the root servers are called < 1339023491 91895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they're single letters too, but forget the domain < 1339023507 878882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go up to i, apparently. < 1339023526 525049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are X.root-servers.net. < 1339023555 640923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And X.gtld-servers.net handle .com and some others. < 1339023557 604594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they are usually written in upper case < 1339023563 790480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the DNS that is < 1339023574 365944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. The .fi roots aren't. < 1339023580 217262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023590 511322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 193.0.14.129 < 1339023590 700894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer k.root-servers.net. < 1339023591 275690 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023597 624721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it normalizes the casing? < 1339023604 643339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that bot? < 1339023606 627602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ help < 1339023606 990064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339023611 531709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339023612 227011 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339023618 284047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Forthy thing. < 1339023620 370396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Forth < 1339023621 464623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339023625 820356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ANS Forth? < 1339023632 851105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1339023639 941301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not if that is the complete word list < 1339023640 100829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. (It's not mine.) < 1339023648 427185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the minimum Forth subset needed to implement the rest, without involving asm anywhere? < 1339023652 777915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are multiple such subsets < 1339023665 823973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously. < 1339023688 11898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a comp.forth (IIRC) thread about that recently. Some of the constructions were rather bizarre, especially after expanding. < 1339023711 62031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/comp/comp.lang/. < 1339023719 316836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you mean bizarre? < 1339023726 548293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in word like : are just weird? < 1339023729 653890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :words* < 1339023741 667885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, : is not a proper word is it? I don't remember < 1339023754 541801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember the definition of ; is weird < 1339023802 263467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not even close. oonbotto doesn't even have conditional execution or loops < 1339023822 428795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339023846 106205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it is your bot? < 1339023848 172881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could get it to : ; r> >r r@ if then begin while repeat - < 1339023851 343129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1339023852 293676 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339023856 804385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why so few words? < 1339023870 150769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin but not end? neat < 1339023889 863827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just that if you build the "primitive" stack manipulations out of >R and R>, and then the "bit less primitive" ones (nip, etc.) out of those, the more complicated ones, expanded out, will look rather horrible. < 1339023917 695708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1339023920 814335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't really worked with that forth interpreter that much. I will make if and while available < 1339023925 109172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one is "nip" now again? < 1339023945 411792 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well oonbotti actually implements stack manipulation with them < 1339023949 45375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you want DOES> too < 1339023952 790195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could find references to a 9-word set in comp.lang.forth. < 1339023958 864330 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339023982 499478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how else can you implement separate run time and compile time semantics? < 1339023987 610600 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339023990 266526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly I mean < 1339023991 598655 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339023994 465019 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339023997 835796 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339024005 467661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339024010 852473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024011 16296 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024011 752418 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024019 107062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm what is the definition of of FORGET now again? < 1339024028 321859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers running $ forget :
< 1339024033 558857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be evil) < 1339024057 772027 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run it if you want. I have commad to restore the entire environment < 1339024062 567652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024067 663392 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : dup >r r@ r> ; < 1339024077 853892 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : drop dup - - ; < 1339024086 681817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that is a terrible definition of dup :( < 1339024093 787220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of drop too < 1339024099 845799 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : + >r 0 r> - - ; < 1339024103 640181 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1339024109 324217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient < 1339024114 928883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should be implemented in asm < 1339024115 640056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339024163 701983 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted to create small subset I could expand in forth. those are actually the original implementations < 1339024179 172167 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of oonbottis forth interpreter < 1339024196 842095 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : swap over >r >r drop r> r> ; < 1339024220 651960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : nip swap drop ; < 1339024223 673306 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339024224 349252 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339024236 981620 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget MOD < 1339024237 821499 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'MOD' cannot be forgotten < 1339024254 47996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I haven't rewritten that one in forth yet < 1339024274 733253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch < 1339024294 65798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET FORGET < 1339024294 248224 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339024296 839216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339024301 72 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety is stupid < 1339024310 582760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, dammit where is @ < 1339024318 786188 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only words that are written in forth can be forgotten < 1339024328 766166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is annoying < 1339024340 503669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ FORGET ; < 1339024340 865963 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ';' cannot be forgotten < 1339024348 320313 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339024349 11853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ; can be written in Forth < 1339024354 854736 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how? < 1339024370 469828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it uses EXIT and some restarting of the interpreter using ] iirc? < 1339024386 291576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ANS at least < 1339024394 615705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey resetenv is not listed in WORDS :/ < 1339024417 416336 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is because it is not part of interpreter < 1339024442 648452 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just throws the old interpreter instace out of window and creates new < 1339024460 785537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well yes < 1339024464 398224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024484 566640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1339024489 315234 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ RESETENV < 1339024489 916462 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339024490 97665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : : ; POSTPONE EXIT REVEAL POSTPONE [ ; IMMEDIATE < 1339024490 330113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I can't find the discussion. I think it even had some esolanger suggest a shorter r> >r mess and all. < 1339024492 88396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^ < 1339024494 619955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1339024501 125910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some trickery yes < 1339024514 696235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are lacking the IMMEDIATE word too < 1339024521 565809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how you can do that in Forth itself < 1339024564 201153 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can really see how you can create whole ans forth using those < 1339024568 385488 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't < 1339024584 828964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well no, you need a few more things < 1339024587 400980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339024596 378993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that bit is enough for defining ; < 1339024616 914593 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ; to declare ; :P < 1339024631 785055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how so? the [ handles that < 1339024662 998474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually < 1339024665 167647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339024673 512332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind then < 1339024767 958065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here is a discussion; I remember reading at least this one. < 1339024775 441908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html < 1339024779 120934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has oklopol in the comments. < 1339024816 303321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there have been comp.lang.forth minimalism threads too. Nothing very conclusive. < 1339024829 8840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339024836 168698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" < 1339024847 343989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a thing. < 1339024847 518635 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting how over is exactly the same as mine < 1339024902 207835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing quoted above is I think ROT. < 1339024914 522386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it's claimed to be. < 1339024941 330723 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r swap r> swap ; < 1339024956 167011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is pretty elegant < 1339025010 160612 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ 1 + ; < 1339025028 969669 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ dup - ; < 1339025046 81476 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025046 977828 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025048 778748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best zero. < 1339025058 871443 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339025067 245663 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339025070 333494 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 0 1+ 1+ 1+ . < 1339025070 888959 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339025085 800403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ">r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r>" <-- which command is that? < 1339025094 871639 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: swap < 1339025100 602548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, rot. < 1339025109 436794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339025122 380881 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : rot >r >r >r r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r@ r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r >r >r r@ r> - - r> r> ; < 1339025125 750465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a terrible implementation in practise :P < 1339025127 966816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the >r >r >r at start, can't be swap. < 1339025136 344749 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 3 2 1 rot . . . < 1339025137 103943 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1 2 < 1339025138 825506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bit shorter one later on. < 1339025148 999082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't rot < 1339025162 262474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1339025163 166516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1339025165 681037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">r >r >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - - >r r@ r> r@ - >r r@ - r@ r@ r> - r> - -" < 1339025169 886361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025171 438525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the okoswap. < 1339025172 454528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the stack the wrong way < 1339025195 437180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder... < 1339025197 281513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : FORGET >r ; < 1339025206 402051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can replace words? < 1339025216 915280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ WORDS < 1339025220 344437 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET FORGET + DROP 1+ 0 SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025222 341816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339025236 354275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you can't get at the real FORGET without resetting the env < 1339025240 507698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339025240 694436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1339025242 304125 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget < 1339025249 516360 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339025252 791158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339025277 631732 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339025400 747873 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually $ is just alias for #forth < 1339025403 97335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1339025403 785502 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth < 1339025423 529081 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#writefile test.forth 1 2 3 . . . < 1339025435 179201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#loadforth test.forth < 1339025436 375670 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 2 1 < 1339025445 120684 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.fortj < 1339025447 147598 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rm test.forth < 1339025519 502076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome nortti < 1339025520 323241 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Welcome to this completely useless channel! < 1339025551 980636 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed to run on #esoteric-en < 1339025569 503099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025570 162822 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025598 872120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: only words defined on forth can be forgotten < 1339025599 557987 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1339025620 341969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : : ; < 1339025641 209503 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that worked < 1339025651 722831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : test 1 . ; < 1339025654 300427 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ test < 1339025654 942681 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339025667 624992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget forget ; < 1339025668 293111 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten < 1339025669 969374 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget test < 1339025672 437580 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025673 600988 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget : < 1339025674 457064 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:word ':' cannot be forgotten < 1339025680 238802 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339025685 280925 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ words < 1339025685 836180 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP SWAP DUP NIP OVER >R * - / . R@ R> MOD < 1339025692 664820 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget + < 1339025695 671675 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget drop < 1339025698 292076 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget swap < 1339025700 906483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget dup < 1339025703 145713 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget nip < 1339025705 800554 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ forget over < 1339025759 675184 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later I will implement MOD in forth < 1339026054 565415 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339026452 261750 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026464 207438 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026464 771569 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Stack underflow < 1339026495 393072 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026496 48819 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339026505 971116 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ resetenv < 1339026509 391823 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2dup over over ; < 1339026512 288318 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 over . . . < 1339026512 906008 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 1 < 1339026518 900017 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1 2 2dup . . . . < 1339026519 585671 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 1 2 1 < 1339026545 364687 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : mod 2dup / * - ; < 1339026564 500412 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 2 mod . < 1339026564 978549 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026570 499243 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 31 3 mod . < 1339026571 354419 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026578 723844 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 3 mod . < 1339026579 346484 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1339026585 954034 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 7 4 mod . < 1339026586 558740 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1339026775 187197 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1+ r@ r@ / + ; < 1339026796 46978 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 0 r@ r@ - ; < 1339026817 226957 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 1 0 1+ ; < 1339026838 612173 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 2 1 1+ ; < 1339026847 873408 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 3 2 1+ ; < 1339026859 527951 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ : 4 2 2 * ; < 1339026922 103907 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 4 3 * . < 1339026922 655281 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1339026965 279709 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs number when you can define them on the fly? < 1339027013 526653 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+built in < 1339027280 540677 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339029296 176211 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339029750 652976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it terrible that I'm in Beijing and I want to eat at KFC? < 1339029755 465493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just SO popular. < 1339029760 126457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what all the fuss is about. < 1339030235 229757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just fried chicken, if it's anything like Japanese KFC. < 1339030361 199837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes gregor < 1339030379 37309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chin has awesome food < 1339030388 837286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kfc doesnt capture it < 1339030425 409863 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, A) All the Chinese food I've had thusfar has disappointed. < 1339030441 972672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) I have LOTS of time to have authentic food, I need SOME variety anyway. < 1339030444 71367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps you shouldnt be eating chinese food < 1339030448 402560 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yesterday I ate Thai for dinner) < 1339030463 849171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the best chinese food i hac was in shanghi, so you could just be in the wrong part of the country < 1339030489 885173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Chinese food is (I'm told) very heavily regional. < 1339030498 104133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just be that Beijing-area food sucks. < 1339030504 15827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1339030522 622796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look for a Shanghainese restaurant :) < 1339030600 873352 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339030689 548870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sichuan food is so good! < 1339030740 407560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a restaurant in NYC called Xi'an Famous Foods which has incredible noodles < 1339030756 142702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if this is representative of the food from that area or not < 1339031011 942214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339031060 694567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/nh6R <-- here, you choose where I should eat Lunch X-D < 1339031139 907004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betcha that "western" restaurant's weird... :P < 1339031273 899927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably to "western" food what "Chinese" restaurants are to "Chinese" food O_0 < 1339031341 739480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly. < 1339031347 630922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The toilet recommended a place called Americatown" < 1339031351 576767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Japanese 'western' food. < 1339031370 907753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But it could be fun for exactly that reason ;) < 1339031387 703942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339031539 213134 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339031543 875083 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339031978 621504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping 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:Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339040984 792034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339041559 377789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339041559 898704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339042302 75312 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339042309 877216 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045894 920725 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045895 357471 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339045895 516809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045908 282226 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339047400 633285 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1339048324 531263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339051626 614698 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053052 79235 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339053052 540464 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053438 847887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053656 88757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Bradbury died. < 1339053855 74667 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.17:56:15 ( elliott) Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1339053876 276420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bit over 16 hours late with almost exactly the same message. < 1339053885 389416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they'll BradBURY him. < 1339053899 702261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, possibly.) < 1339053912 659642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just normal bury me please" - bradburey < 1339053913 209660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be also bradcremation. < 1339053914 480071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I still don't know who he was. Maybe now's the time to check Wikipedia. < 1339053930 355746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those bookwriters. < 1339053960 514046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently yes. The guy who hated television. < 1339053963 799557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aged 91; can't perhaps quite call that life tragically cut short. < 1339053993 175025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's before the heat death of the universe, so at least *some* would call it cut short. < 1339054479 994822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and everything else new. < 1339054499 662888 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose that somewhat follows. < 1339054515 868148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television isn't generally considered very hate-inducing. Or at least it wasn't back then. < 1339054519 988457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His WP article actually quotes him saying "We've got too many internets." < 1339054589 349391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um what, television has always been the go-to thing to bitch about how our culture is totally going downhill from the days when the common man read Dochevsky. < 1339054590 244825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now." < 1339054612 228002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since television became a major part of culture. < 1339054632 414628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when we got to the point where information is forever, too. < 1339054633 906194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that it wasn't that major back then, but maybe I'm wrong. < 1339054700 47161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Strange concept, that, considering mere universal literacy is relatively young. < 1339054782 277775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it came out in 1953, so I think it was at least significant and on the rise. < 1339054802 365307 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it being Fahrenheit 451) < 1339054861 498387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe so. I'm at least quite sure that it was a very rare thing in Finland at the time, but the UK was somewhat ahead. < 1339054881 599002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339054924 787109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took off like crazy in the US. < 1339054957 817736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 1953's when NTSC color was introduced. < 1339054961 383121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh whoops, he was American. Well, even more, then. < 1339055004 714306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the Quatermass Experiment had 5 million viewers at its peak and it came out in '53, and that's got to be at least a tenth of the UK population at the time. < 1339055088 471478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055090 32198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I Love Lucy" had been running for 2 years by then... < 1339055113 134276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, Nielsen ratings were introduced in 1950. < 1339055202 385897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Television was introduced in Finland in 1957. Color television started in 1969. Prior to 1986, YLE monopolized the Finnish television." < 1339055209 32485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a bit slow, y'know. < 1339055219 176293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at that stuff. Evidently the first television transmission was in 1955. < 1339055219 336287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, this conversation has reminded me of the Foundation series. < 1339055225 8256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a good thing to remember. < 1339055230 913136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055241 921430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, has to first get translated to Japanese, and then put through the Finnish cypher. :P < 1339055244 808392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1339055247 644326 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339055293 61944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well the first parts are OK but once the Second Foundation comes into play it's just this slow, annoying decay into "AHA I am the true force for good in the universe!" < 1339055293 952353 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sources vary as to the exact year, but 1956-1958 for actual scheduled programs. < 1339055341 474677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TV-introduction-world-map.svg < 1339055355 707817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I seem to recall Asimov being confused as to why people like the Foundation series so much. < 1339055458 926079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: At least us scandinavians are mostly in the same group. (Iceland doesn't count.) < 1339055485 800112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Mule is a central character in Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation. Foundation's Edge reveals that he originally came from the planet Gaia, but was regarded as an aberration on a world where mental powers were being developed for benevolent ends." < 1339055496 359643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake Asimov did you really pull that one < 1339055507 742612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1339055582 435206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retconning the Mule's origins as being from the stupid psychic planet rather than being a freak of nature, which is a genuinely interesting proposition. < 1339055619 556735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the whole point of the Mule is that he's basically an outside context problem for the Foundation because they couldn't predict him, which is kind of cheapened by the stupid twist. < 1339055621 583716 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually *know* Foundation's Edge was written just to shut up annoying fans. < 1339055626 899780 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339055642 267119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it, honestly, was uninteresting. < 1339055645 244798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1339055677 775006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. I like Asimov when he's not writing on what he obviously doesn't much care for. < 1339055683 98148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Outside the "Saha" building there was a sign today advertising an event with the topic "Yhteistyöympäristöt globaaleissa tuoteprosesseissa". < 1339055735 83086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1339055866 361961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Approximate translation: "Cooperation environments in global product processes".) < 1339055978 42656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I have one of his books of essays and some of them are really good. < 1339056130 651235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some Asi