< 1341878514 171876 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1341878731 731241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decompose g f) will be a functor if f is, although the Functor instance for Decompose can never exist regardless of what g and f is. < 1341878751 861799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is not really a functor, but it has one < 1341878790 767451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a functor < 1341878807 522851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the type (Decompose g f) itself is not a functor < 1341878833 890215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet it will make up a functor anyways if f is a functor even though (Decompose g f) cannot be. < 1341878849 481992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, perhaps, it is a subcategory. < 1341878889 310223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is not a endofunctor on (->). < 1341879003 149973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, say you have: newtype Subcategory c f x y = Subcategory (c (f x) (f y)); data Desubcategory c f x y where { Desubcategory :: c x y -> Desubcategory c f (f x) (f y); }; < 1341879056 984106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: You said you are going to post a Z80 code if someone posts a Haskell code in here? (Or, something like that) < 1341879179 312233 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP HL;PUSH HL;POP DE;INC DE;LD BC,0;LD (HL),A;LDIR < 1341879185 82812 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1341879239 602874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Z80 code a part of some program? And, what is LDIR for? < 1341879270 57154 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Z80 code will fill all of RAM with the value in the Accumulator (A) < 1341879277 825718 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDIR is LoaD, Increment and Repeat < 1341879289 219692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1341879333 306997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can understand. < 1341879447 41120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once wrote a program for GameBoy, which is not Z80 although it is similar to Z80. < 1341879610 339996 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that have a 6502? < 1341879630 84701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1341879645 821914 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, some custom thing < 1341879646 77012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES/Famicom has a 6502 without decimal mode. < 1341879660 89521 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sharp LR35902, apparently < 1341879685 1681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, it has decimal mode although it doesn't do anything. You could use the decimal mode flag for your own purpose, possibly.) < 1341879707 214002 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hardest Z80 opcode to emulate is probably DAA < 1341879775 127001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that BCD-adjust? < 1341880622 714210 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-121.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1341881464 660052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read something to make stereo NES. But this wouldn't seem to work with Famicom audio expansions. < 1341881529 294875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to make it sound properly with stereo you should make up the game or music file to use the stereo. (If you play a stereo file on a mono system, there won't be a problem.) < 1341881763 922569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: EEEK < 1341881827 238616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using PPMCK channels, you could have: left=A,B,G,I,K,M,P,R,T,V,X,a,b right=C,D,E,H,J,L,N,Q,S,U,W,Y center=F,O,Z I think this way is compatible with the 2A03 audio so it can be used on a real hardware if no expansion chips are used. If you use audio expansion it could be use only in emulator playing .NSF file. < 1341882120 661917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341882262 737405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew that worked < 1341883108 884643 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341883194 941515 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341883366 977650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341883834 426224 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341884599 809780 :Triclops200!~Triclops2@unaffiliated/triclops200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341884616 118188 :Triclops200!~Triclops2@unaffiliated/triclops200 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1341885588 833403 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1341885652 874087 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-140-227.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1341885661 365688 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-237.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341888187 673201 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1341888208 177058 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341888260 164456 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341889600 570754 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341889612 164247 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341892494 528311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341892919 256858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free monoid structure is a backward monoid transformer, isn't it? So the free category will be a backward category transformer, too. < 1341892972 970617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1341892980 876948 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1341893013 147822 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341893822 424329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone on today? < 1341897195 662013 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1341898350 159798 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1341899125 153271 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of a fool would try to program in a language where you need to know whether "the free monoid structure is a backward monoid transformer"? < 1341899129 920779 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fscking Monoids. < 1341899139 71614 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lo zzo38 < 1341899165 599083 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-237.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1341899168 124013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341899756 942949 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: monoids are the bestest < 1341899849 546642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Someone who likes mathematics, I guess. < 1341899919 762473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think the free monad is also a backward monad transformer, it is not a forward monad transformer like Edward Kmett has (he agrees it isn't, even though his article says it is) < 1341901722 819963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: these programmers are difficult to fathom. who can say what it is they aspire to < 1341901788 244828 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I recently graduated in mathematics from Cambridge. I don't like monoids. < 1341901792 606869 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your datum right there < 1341901832 808644 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1341901840 100781 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :reductio ad exemplum < 1341901855 785674 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. i just saw ion in the topic < 1341901858 62041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are other mathematical structures too; monoids is not the only one. There is also semigroup, group, category, functor, monad, comonad, etc < 1341901928 645918 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why is sound more interesting than graphics? < 1341901951 985958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a game of find all the fallacies in tidus' post < 1341901962 840736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I did not say a sound is more instresting than graphics! < 1341901971 369541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats 1 :D < 1341901986 870912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1341901997 276271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) it isn't more interesting at all 2) zzo38 never said it is more interesting , hmm < 1341902008 440861 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't get me wrong, I love mathematical structures. Groups are awesome. It's just that trying to design a programming language that reads like a proof from the abstruse end of category theory does not maintainable software make. < 1341902023 390995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think that about covers it < 1341902035 556038 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: and you've said that after a serious effort at seeing why people like that approach? < 1341902057 454651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my brain is difficult to live with at times... < 1341902065 54938 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it sounds, it just sounds like empty maxims and knee-jerk reactions :) < 1341902097 67163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing < 1341902098 503541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Perhaps to you. < 1341902133 247962 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think its fans are living in an epistemically closed bubble < 1341902134 336194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know math, and I know programming. I've never thought of trying one from the point of view of the other (and it seriously does go both ways), so it must not be worth trying" < 1341902146 474003 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had a dollar for every time I've seen that, I'd have several dollars :) < 1341902164 881032 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is based on the fact that their observed behaviour and signalling is consistent with the standard patterns of cults < 1341902179 29667 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1341902195 610157 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: don't get me wrong, I love the lambda calculus. < 1341902196 256703 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, not going to try then :) < 1341902212 594174 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea flow between fields is great < 1341902223 684680 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programming<->maths is a shining example thereof < 1341902256 196378 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain why people like monoids in progrmaming? < 1341902259 210652 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Haskell world feels too much like the "formal proofs of program correctness" movement from mumble decades ago < 1341902259 718611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think category theory is good and can make a lot of things. < 1341902270 993069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i've said worse :P < 1341902271 374919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: except the approach to it is completely different < 1341902333 854274 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like you're introducing unnecessary machinery on a huge scale (and I mean *huge*; I mean, category theory? that's like a 3000-ton dragline crane) just so you won't have to [the moral equivalent of using one little goto] < 1341902356 531516 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of everything that makes me hate Dijkstra. < 1341902362 145352 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you do not want to be like Dijkstra. < 1341902388 274644 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you understand haskell < 1341902388 473248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1341902395 418450 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is all my subjective opinion, and I can't really make reasoned justifications of any of it. It's a gut reaction. < 1341902395 617137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're really sounding like you don't hth < 1341902417 839842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a gut reaction < 1341902435 158817 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I may be mistaken here, but I suspect that Haskell is like Quantum Mechanics: "If you think you understand it, you don't understand it." < 1341902436 427861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at the topic
< 1341902449 364634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: what < 1341902462 981124 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I feel like you might need to either read more about that approach to programming or opine less about it < 1341902471 671709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Err, no. < 1341902480 644048 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that in truth the un-understandable bits of QM are all Copenhagen's fault. Yay Everett) < 1341902485 622795 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: quite possibly both < 1341902496 851623 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm feeling in an obnoxiously argumentative mood right now < 1341902499 313495 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1341902500 928048 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1341902508 78095 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to devoice me if you think it's necessary < 1341902520 553788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no power! < 1341902523 445411 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the power to argue < 1341902533 995682 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might go to sleep instead, since I must wake up for work tomorrow < 1341902537 857779 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been up all night fixing bugs in quirc, after some wonderful person sent me about 10 bug reports < 1341902555 608712 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is 0742AM here) < 1341902571 707816 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I do mean 'wonderful', that wasn't sarcasm :) < 1341902992 908343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like mathematics, though. < 1341903096 685275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1341903099 889160 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341903425 763663 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics is wonderful < 1341903476 246515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Those who can, do; those who can't, mathematics." Isn't that the old adage? < 1341903694 606320 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you're thinking of "Those who can't, teach. Those who can neither do nor teach, become librarians." < 1341903717 852516 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although in fact good teachers are very talented and all too rare) < 1341903742 720255 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I've figured out what you are. < 1341903749 642382 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a pumpkin that shoots arrows at people. < 1341903782 103750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says an arrow-shooting ppro. < 1341903808 372406 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a copumpkin a ? I can never remember which is the copumpkin and which is the contrapumpkin < 1341903927 862267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cop(|um)p(ro|kin) < 1341903948 996791 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that matches copumpro and coppkin as well < 1341903955 633542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1341903973 947854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(copumpkin|coppro) < 1341903989 825775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cop(umpkin|pro) < 1341903996 169596 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cop(umpkin|pro) is, I think, the optimal regex < 1341904020 140901 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've just had an idea about how to go about building my regsexp engine < 1341904030 322625 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has dags < 1341904050 262203 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I haven't invented my regsexp language yet, so I can't start building the engine < 1341904125 737320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in my twisted mind, i'm glad it matches copumpro and coppkin < 1341904181 279513 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer cop(um)*[opr]+(kin)? < 1341904210 663364 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumorpkin, copumumumumumr, coppppppro... < 1341904243 494352 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to define "copumorphism" so that you can implement it in Haskell. < 1341904269 994801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do you want to define it as? < 1341904313 859524 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something more absurd than Zygohistomorphic Prepromorphism. < 1341904319 88561 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such a thing is possible. < 1341904348 886448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should drop it, it was a bad idea on my part to make a regexp out of someones nick < 1341904373 345892 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1341904378 896529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically.. i know its fun < 1341904383 446593 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i started it < 1341904396 407545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if we let it snowball nothing good can come of it < 1341904459 154800 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, snowball < 1341904461 781968 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasty kittens < 1341904483 101157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowball is a stemmer-making thing. < 1341904827 780512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i made a trivia bot, based on chatters... it ended up turning into an exercize in hatred < 1341904842 128468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't let such a thing happen again =^_^=; < 1341905203 945939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1341905212 19109 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341905272 822360 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341905286 656014 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341906315 245849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341907434 170710 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-28.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1341907714 158896 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shall I bring in my chatbot? It has terrible AI < 1341907725 673148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring him on! < 1341907728 213341 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is no, I shall not bring it in, it's horrible) < 1341907734 330665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to do the turing test with him. < 1341907738 930476 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you /like/ gibberings and ravings about brazil nuts < 1341907808 507051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i don't think i made the bot < 1341907821 771356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took an existing bot and loaded it with new questions < 1341907866 609390 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1341907877 879073 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341907887 627406 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Good morning. < 1341907893 447025 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Difficult whatever green speak uses labor processing contention watch gurgite intercal < 1341907902 804995 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that prefix character wasn't already in use < 1341907908 768407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$What are you wearing? < 1341907914 746151 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Is helps long let look last efforts #bay12games alloy tetrahedrite making here akath < 1341907919 520102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed the turing test. < 1341907972 455481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of Virgil? < 1341907973 204117 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rewriting languages could be their stats < 1341907978 829289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :O...kay. < 1341907987 401151 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I told you it was terrible < 1341908022 340577 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a completely scruffy neural net < 1341908027 460301 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no baked-in language model at all < 1341908058 948468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$hello < 1341908063 458042 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Sense function language shall dead dinner soad recording one's message correlated < 1341908080 955632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you even parse what is said to you at all? (No you don't.) < 1341908082 236795 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can write code pretty fluently, but i suspect it sorta does matter. r5rs compliance matters. < 1341908098 993425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot makes more sense than Virgil < 1341908099 664071 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no kidding... the basic health required for normal life without depending on others is a problem < 1341908115 989158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first bit made perfect sense in the context XD < 1341908123 64515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it also quotes verbatim quite often. < 1341908127 505886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341908135 306197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're such a copycat. < 1341908136 334132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then i haev to er, test it, or are you just happy to see me < 1341908159 928490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Who am I? < 1341908165 449449 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: , my do day : difficult noble dried deemed safest game 3 useful output physically < 1341908195 887702 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Virgil, you have a lot of learning yet ahead of you. < 1341908197 663987 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing fungot is using a Markov chain model? < 1341908198 797242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: there can be a valid identifier in xml is fundamentally retarded. < 1341908202 214877 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Have latter much over having join few found getting fashion nist joints mad leaving < 1341908221 534611 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: unfortunately much of Virgil's learning to date was in a channel whose topic is Dwarf Fortress < 1341908244 299619 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well.. im weirder than virgil < 1341908244 878242 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, xml is indeed fundamentally retarded. fungot shows good taste. < 1341908245 729706 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: so was fedora core 2 :d. ( which i don't < 1341908263 28499 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I don't believe you < 1341908277 301088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$ < 1341908282 613874 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: My love colour land ii nice act result problems indent asleep she wheels generate < 1341908321 351685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im entertained by the fact it doesn't have a baked-in language model < 1341908326 153830 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341908335 153449 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1341908336 992896 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stlangbot: help < 1341908337 192007 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_cu (Brainfuck cell usage); stlang (Evaluate stlang); bf_stat (Brainfuck statistics) < 1341908337 192195 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_in (Brainfuck inspect last active cell); df (Deadfish); undf (Undeadfish) < 1341908337 192307 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfa (Deadfish - ASCII); dfc (Compile deadfish to stlang) < 1341908344 47806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kind of bot < 1341908347 499782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stlangbot: chat Can pigs fly? < 1341908352 7784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: If you want to think of it like that. It uses ngram language models, most of them trained using the VariKN toolkit from our department, but theoretically it's of course the same thing. (Though it's not quite the traditional "copy and sometimes jump" implementation but instead a "generate each word from matching ngrams" one.) < 1341908354 645914 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mroman] They wish! < 1341908388 195269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote research into fungot < 1341908389 410949 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: read-file does. that's the solution there is to be able to write < 1341908389 969755 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : all interfere their record woman aspirations paranoid man steep properties space < 1341908391 489045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1341908487 269777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet.irc.freenode.net = bots essentially spewing random words to be read by human observers < 1341908505 376878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to link to the VariKN page but the PASCAL ("Pattern Analysis, Statistical Modelling and Computational Learning") page is all "PASCAL Forge Could Not Connect to Database: PASCAL Forge Could Not Connect to Database: Project Summary: PASCAL Forge Could Not Connect to Database". < 1341908528 943409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a good summary, that. < 1341908535 302923 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1341908542 798688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that PASCAL as in the language pascal? < 1341908544 654411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it does variable-length ngrams with Kneser-Ney smoothing. < 1341908546 306517 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose one day in the future it will be clear to me whats going on with these bots < 1341908547 442228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1341908550 324784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1341908558 655624 :stlangbot!~stlangbot@107-175.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341908602 883963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PASCAL is a Network of Excellence funded by the European Union. It has established a distributed institute that brings together researchers and students across Europe, and is now reaching out to countries all over the world." But they also have a code-share site kind of thing. < 1341908622 487863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341908672 799464 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network of Excellence... < 1341908701 807329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny name yeah < 1341908703 193822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also do some challenge-style things on machine learning things. < 1341908772 369398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Morpho Challenge (unsupervised morpheme segmentation of text) that's run by our people every now and then, I think that's somehow part of PASCAL. < 1341908805 316521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it's not necessarily unsupervised.) < 1341908827 326155 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AI is bogus" - Reid < 1341908836 725874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, it is.) < 1341908843 877912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is real. < 1341908863 179358 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When something stops being bogus, it stops being AI :p < 1341908879 65213 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we know how to do it, it's just another algorithm < 1341908887 710280 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is kidding
< 1341908910 775263 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think AI is just an arbitrary name for a manmade machine which has the same properties as a natural machine < 1341908955 788533 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do we want the machine to have the same properties? Do we want our computers to say "No, I'm on tea-break, solve your own damn polynomials"? < 1341908980 676162 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially no; so we aren't trying to recreate humanity on a silicon substrate < 1341908983 331811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't things can just cross over that line < 1341908994 162677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using AI to figure out the appropriate time to have a tea-break doesn't sound very useful < 1341909012 674090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe canonically it doesn't matter what we want, since what we will get is enslavement by killer robots. < 1341909025 867315 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not if Yudkowsky solves FAI ;) < 1341909057 337030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mum has one of those parent-who-is-loud-on-the-phone voices < 1341909063 800613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'll get the same but it will be done in a friendly manner. < 1341909100 386889 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This enslavement may be monitored for training purposes. Thank you for using Killer Robots Ltd." < 1341909124 954912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welll < 1341909142 450927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here is some relaxing music to listen to while you wait your turn to be enslaved." < 1341909153 121706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is any trace of sentience or life in a computer, it is probably not what we think it is < 1341909186 154205 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1341909213 290371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its... BEYOND what is written in books < 1341909217 355996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's life, Jim, but not as we know it. < 1341909224 541614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the umwelt of a computer < 1341909252 225554 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there were some way to experience the umwelt of a mind with a radically different sensorium < 1341909275 318396 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, there's no obvious reason why a mind's umwelt should experience time subjectively < 1341909278 351654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it will resemble a human < 1341909286 802894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, umwelt? < 1341909295 827385 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is, after all, just a differential consistency criterion < 1341909303 554155 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than.. a tree shaped like a bear resembles a bear < 1341909306 345426 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ask itidus to define it, he said it first < 1341909313 815993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, define that word < 1341909322 24701 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: um, which it does, that's what resemble means < 1341909332 650751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im not qualified. kmc can tell you how i talk about things i don't understand all te time < 1341909333 836472 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat the semblance of... < 1341909357 778274 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a funky dynamic varying xkcd called "Umwelt" whose alt-text defines umwelt < 1341909365 765839 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that do? < 1341909375 712250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xkcd led me to it < 1341909378 526649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341909414 409802 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my about they then be vassal reading eat events nice revolution tetrahedrite labor < 1341909441 796902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... there is the question.. of does everything have an umwelt? < 1341909463 856019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if someone chops off my arm, and makes it protrude from under a bush < 1341909470 189352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might suppose i were under the bush < 1341909488 110775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume that the arm had an associated body and mind < 1341909507 835520 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're mistaken as a question of fact < 1341909516 535327 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, does such an arm take on a life of it's own? < 1341909528 119911 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a physically counterfactual mind doesn't have a physical umwelt < 1341909543 655731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well thats easy to say, harder to prove < 1341909549 534272 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a counterfactual mind has counterfactual subjective experience, because syntacticism < 1341909560 689918 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mileage may vary < 1341909563 521128 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie > 1341909563 913233 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909564 510368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :rolebot!*@* > 1341909564 524682 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909565 508877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie > 1341909565 532290 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909567 814964 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steep hills may go up as well as platonism < 1341909628 362343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well... it concerns me that we have to make up arbitrary constraints as to what might have a mind.. it sounds more of a game than a science :D < 1341909646 113412 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should read Yudkowsky on this topic < 1341909672 452199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe those two other q's that have very DHCPey hostnames and are probably ancient could also go. < 1341909678 523841 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie > 1341909678 545897 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909684 467081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net > 1341909684 491460 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909690 648558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@host81-141-232-7.wlms-broadband.com > 1341909690 671235 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909693 504530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie > 1341909693 530047 NAMES :#esoteric < 1341909696 685513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1341909699 423406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well.. i think we "focus" on minds like ours < 1341909714 870045 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. Read Yudkowsky < 1341909718 776133 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesswrong.com < 1341909731 446405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341909752 235041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found on earth, in the animal/plant tree, alive :D < 1341909765 740722 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Does a counterfactual mind have an umwelt? < 1341909769 516183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok i will google these words at least < 1341909772 73630 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: About something down i'm secrets prisoners lead whats debate hurt raw range working < 1341909775 648215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Being just a piece of code, do you have an unique perspective on these weighty matters? < 1341909776 541767 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my mistake. < 1341909785 742871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, that clears things up. < 1341909815 453108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1341909816 291270 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1341909842 568070 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck! commode 64! < 1341909852 367608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1341909852 566846 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Not Want < 1341909853 168965 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1341909857 132111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something stupid. < 1341909858 84381 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stack requirements: 4+ of programming. fortunately, the horizontal resolution is traded for extra color resolution. it shows which numbers should be aware of this location can also detect when that line is shorted to ground. < 1341909867 772260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from a couple of books. < 1341909867 971212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well.. also.. there is the case where we think something isn't a real living being, when infact it is.. such as a movie hero hiding in a wax museum < 1341909875 826769 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$The ZX Spectrum was so much better < 1341909878 862056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more < 1341909879 622429 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: in machine language). the < 1341909887 932059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of Speccy, then? < 1341909888 699042 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the 6526 cia chip has 16 registers which are in high-resolution bitmap mode offers a choice of 2 will cause output to the start of some sort. without a filename of up to four dots across per character, marking the end of the parameters of voice 1, a < 1341909890 511370 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Work be someone interfering race just bear trust small theory copies ball weponds < 1341909901 995902 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think the point is that our beliefs don't determine whether or not something else has an umwelt < 1341909910 616259 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: :D < 1341909911 463852 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :objective reality exists. < 1341909941 489992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were quite a few tables in the books that model was trained from, so often it's just names and numbers. < 1341909970 824812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c64 ftw < 1341909987 884300 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ZX81 forever! < 1341909993 631286 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: My explain take always ally having 30 4 virgil_the_dopey_bot play bone usually congratulations < 1341909996 576101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well, i think we don't know if they are finite or infinite < 1341910002 535119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll propose the C128 as a compromise, it has a Z80 in it too. :p < 1341910009 374470 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah! < 1341910052 728145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously both of us have thought about this entirely too much, you probably more so :D < 1341910055 718373 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even have a bot < 1341910062 760076 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a compromise, the only choice is the Acorn Archimedes, running RISC OS on an ARM < 1341910085 498328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I agree that everyone will agree that those are awesome, so I guess. < 1341910135 168497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i was poking around in some store, and for a few $ each i got a book about 8085 and a book about z80 next to each other < 1341910161 158259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341910162 74404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally i just left them on the shelf and proceeded to find a cheap copy of the great gatsby < 1341910194 900592 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't care because I have a garklein-flötlein < 1341910205 44364 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zounds < 1341910235 265682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have much books, but i am so happy that i got those.. that was a once in a lifetime find in a charity bookstore thing < 1341910265 269681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :online they're probably a dime a dozen though < 1341910274 373351 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< but thats not the point < 1341910343 663128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... a lot of these machines i didnt ever see < 1341910393 886568 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i watch videos on youtube showing games on spectrum, c64, amiga, etc < 1341910418 92839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i find atari 2600 graphics so bad i can barely hold back from vomiting < 1341910423 168225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: You should compose a garklein-flötlein/flabberfleming duet. < 1341910443 113420 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flabber... fleming? < 1341910451 600527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something oklopol made up, I think. < 1341910471 480568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a balloon with a one-way valve that is actually only one-way when one atmosphere of pressure is on the outside, but when less, it lets air out (not depending on pressure inside) < 1341910475 708443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is also an instrument < 1341910518 655693 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiG8g1qlT9w < 1341910537 322021 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: outsch < 1341910601 574570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it actually exists, to be honest. < 1341910607 267613 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1341910614 139157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google flabber fleming < 1341910615 199650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/people/Flabber-Gaster/100002426347550 < 1341910615 398734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Improve Your Experience | Facebook < 1341910620 850566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do suck on it if it does. < 1341910621 413738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1341910628 490071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the undefinite "you".) < 1341910630 810202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not clicking on a fb link < 1341910646 807086 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one would suck upon it, were it to exist < 1341910650 412773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1341910685 944853 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my that of they colour ally naïve empty events impossible those internet's near < 1341910703 964664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sick person implements an esolang in powershell und puts it on pastebin so it gets deleted after a year or so < 1341910781 841050 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had me at "powershell". < 1341910784 192333 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people /use/ that? < 1341910802 170501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powershell is cool if you're an admin. < 1341910810 354116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your architecture is windows based . < 1341910826 407104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than vbs. < 1341910826 688453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will implement esolangs on literally any platform :( < 1341910880 818499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY < 1341910898 400138 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs on OS/2? < 1341910929 132754 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is waiting for someone to port Brainfuck to Tunguska
< 1341910951 924766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If not, by voicing the question you are now obligated to make one. < 1341910999 718248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can run e.g. Python on OS/2, and there certainly are esolangs with Python interpreters. < 1341911032 872174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Madbrain ;) < 1341911056 516481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i'm a computer game oriented computer user. contrary to what you might think, that makes most of my ideas distasteful. < 1341911127 641914 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : profit using oxygen having turning allied overall fort/my .png i'd math mysterious < 1341911146 624696 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I got three words into that one before I noticed it was a Virgilism < 1341911155 587200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$png is not gif < 1341911161 681516 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Is each internet too optimistic fifteen mirrored sucks value raw range anyways building < 1341911174 434312 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah. So there. < 1341911174 698037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading "Virgil" as "Vorpal". < 1341911185 488809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341911201 346827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat last sentence doesn't make ANY sense. < 1341911220 334813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just random words? < 1341911226 704063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it? < 1341911229 102370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these internets are too optimistic... < 1341911240 731678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does Virgil work? < 1341911245 148243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who owns that bot < 1341911302 141451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgil and Vorpal are members of V(vowel)r(consonant)(vowel)l < 1341911307 193699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably if line.startswith("$") print takerandomamountofrandomwords() < 1341911314 500511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11:13:42 soundnfury | it has a completely scruffy neural net < 1341911316 394306 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11:13:47 soundnfury | no baked-in language model at all < 1341911330 408998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so does that mean just random words? < 1341911341 210243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on what neural nets can do really < 1341911360 446039 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot, as i understand it < 1341911365 724007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341911371 553681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not completely random < 1341911373 520800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1341911387 670769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, thats ideally < 1341911388 924490 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very close to random in practice, because it hasn't been trained very carefully < 1341911400 325086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your brain is a neural net < 1341911413 183209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, with feedback loops too. < 1341911416 195024 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :His brain is a positronic net. < 1341911426 974916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... by that definition < 1341911429 455774 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a friend who calls himself a robopsychologist, who trained up a Virgil instance quite effectively, but then lost the net file and had no backups < 1341911431 140318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, how much context does the probability of a given word depend on? < 1341911455 70005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$何 < 1341911457 505206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is each word generated independently or does it depend on the words around it < 1341911459 993964 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Morning : countries experimenters nook egg usually patience called gnu momaw giant < 1341911478 8819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that random garbage ;) < 1341911484 386040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341911509 75898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "momaw" even a real word? < 1341911515 984057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ランドム！ < 1341911520 424981 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :momaw was a nick in another channel < 1341911523 856431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341911528 616769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ...? < 1341911532 478713 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of this net's training has been talking on IRC < 1341911538 204878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I can't read that script < 1341911559 210842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're probably lacking asian fonts. < 1341911563 279614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, that is probably quite a poor source in general, considering how many chatterbots there are on IRC < 1341911570 566411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cjk in particular. < 1341911573 322052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, oh I can /see/ it just fine. I just can't read it < 1341911581 601128 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a (possibly outdated) tarball at http://jttlov.no-ip.org/tar/virgil0-2-3.tar.gz < 1341911584 186805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know which language it is for < 1341911595 637269 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been actively developing Virgil for about two years now < 1341911597 149552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They can do a lot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybenko_theorem < 1341911606 80285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's japanese. < 1341911611 167266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, so basically by using IRC, you fed stuff like fungot as input? < 1341911611 644970 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if the shift " n" character shifts the printer is an addition limitation on memory usage, functional modules of code required, and < 1341911638 87721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's an english word ;) < 1341911650 231170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't that many chatterbots on "regular" channels, I don't think. < 1341911655 709353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1341911656 517110 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1341911660 956734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: SO META. < 1341911661 977979 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov < 1341911672 59273 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, its input was mostly from humans < 1341911675 977076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1341911682 518710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you update that model after you first used it? < 1341911686 829598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be even more meta < 1341911689 244125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1341911691 940061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1341911708 653909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Go on, say something. < 1341911709 503966 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( c) a player resigns from an office has whatever duties, then 3 extra " 0" and ( down-from n ( 0 < 1341911715 83774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds agoran. < 1341911721 704144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that "anmaster no not markov" bit < 1341911726 246216 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$What do you have to say to that? < 1341911729 287321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it mean by that < 1341911734 39325 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: My on explain we always was sabotage course countries circuit took experimenting < 1341911739 436102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IIRC, it was elliott speaking to you via fungot. < 1341911740 384049 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance, < 1341911743 321612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote no not markov < 1341911743 890081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1341911746 306310 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :619) Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov < 1341911753 227897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1341911753 503311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$^*&^*&$$^$^ < 1341911759 438788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT SWORD < 1341911763 807307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1341911764 159765 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1341911768 582326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, SWORD! < 1341911769 287773 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! < 1341911773 899860 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Rest doesn't then 10 :s crappily sterling :smug phazorx 88/56 premimu date involved < 1341911775 485067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, come on < 1341911776 7743 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as long as you keep crono in your heart, the day of lavos"... go to " mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. < 1341911782 747537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ... < 1341911783 63265 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you! take! we find! you, have that problem! ' tis the masamune! < 1341911783 287099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will always take a while before the sword makes an appearance, if you're trying to demonstrate it. < 1341911787 795369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, go on < 1341911788 320202 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like, thanks princess. i'll take that under advisement!! my powers are being drained. why not? then you should leave quickly! < 1341911796 105074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes indeed < 1341911813 333229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sword alone < 1341911816 344030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1341911818 859117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1341911823 951557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, though the probability of it appearing on first try is not 0 < 1341911829 865782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1341911832 616092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can the sword alone stop it? < 1341911833 324416 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! heeheehee... oh, can you fix the masamune! < 1341911848 269288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the log searching command now again? < 1341911853 115491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :logpast? logpaste? < 1341911861 644646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog sword alone < 1341911866 111289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, right < 1341911866 462276 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but, we are far outnumbered! just like crono! < 1341911869 300763 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :log pasta < 1341911879 616222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ... < 1341911879 986914 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10, then magic damage will be reduced by 10%. a star after any characteristic means it's at maximum strength! no matter what the price! it is, you idiot! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's a < 1341911894 538731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1341911895 28063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: festival < 1341911895 751454 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: these unique items make us invincible! < 1341911908 897168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, and what about the sword? < 1341911909 250366 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like, thanks princess. i'll take that under advisement!! empty! < 1341911918 211201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should take a peek to see how likely it is to appear. < 1341911921 493563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is it that is empty? < 1341911922 57741 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10, then magic damage will be reduced by 10%. a star after any characteristic means it's at maximum strength! no matter what the price! it is, you idiot! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have the masamune! < 1341911926 859307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ^*&^*&%& < 1341911927 479856 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the usual...test them. you can entertain us for awhile? never heard of it!! he sold the heirloom, it should remain unchanged! my son's the legendary hero, with sword in hand! you got the broken! the mountain of woe. it's likely that dalton came from the laboratories to the west?... yes! well then rest and relax! huh? < 1341911934 92694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, didn't the perl script show it wasn't possible or something? < 1341911940 632941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, come on < 1341911941 23303 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. it'll be strong now. just like me! but everyone calls for the golemboss. < 1341911944 903985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh well < 1341911945 259328 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cyrus! are you leaving! what you do? wake you, but need dactyl? < 1341911954 567559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ... < 1341911954 901960 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1341911962 988978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tricycle? < 1341911963 315932 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cyrus! are you leaving! did you people just come out of the closet? get out?! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's a real problem when the person i like most! < 1341911974 512437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember any tricycle in that game? < 1341911976 438468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1341911976 653097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"ex officio" < 1341911981 428292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Man. < 1341911985 684393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1341911992 997906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The quote is from one of the endings, though. < 1341911996 840368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1341912007 284014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The one where Marle and Lucca are watching a slideshow. It's notable for being the only one where Crono speaks. < 1341912026 161629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I don't remember that ending < 1341912050 750160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did you get that ending? < 1341912078 787160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one with the shortest interval of time to get. I don't exactly recall the details. You do something in Zeal, but not the other thing after which you can no longer leave. < 1341912089 608177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341912095 346248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See Schala use the pendant to open the door, but not energize your own, I think. < 1341912098 465524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, anyway. < 1341912102 808117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341912181 231999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game really had some great music < 1341912188 354751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very likely to start with "that sword" at the start of the sentence, but it's nontrivial to compute the likelihood of getting the loop in the first full output. < 1341912377 722096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I can ask the SRILM ngram tool, actually. (At least for the start bit.) < 1341912412 266549 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my an why food began scary what's used migrants screenshots graduation remote punches < 1341912427 623299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, why did it just randomly speak? < 1341912442 568039 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did Vorpal just randomly speak? < 1341912454 985990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, Virgil is a bot though, I'm not < 1341912474 272264 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose is virgil < 1341912482 23250 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever programmed Vorpal implemented its responses quite well. < 1341912499 810589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, soundnfury owns it < 1341912509 114910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, yeah I could pass the Turing test with ease < 1341912544 534207 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : think from back computer find internet televisions over up must crust acid legends < 1341912576 670415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is virgil supposed to sound like this < 1341912578 753937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A case of spontaneous wordbustion. < 1341912584 835491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you going to do that now or was it just a thought that you could do that check? < 1341912660 949587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was trying to, but I can't quite figure out how to tell it to give a probability score for the prefix, it insists on just scoring complete sentences, so it will check for the sentence-end tag likelihoods too, making the number quite useless. < 1341912661 148324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in a hurry really, but I do need to go out today and do some shopping. < 1341912679 74866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341912680 652201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341912713 238118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, -debug 3. Well, anyway. < 1341912722 997258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : p( that | ) = [2gram] 0.00938426 [ -2.0276 ] / 0.99999 < 1341912731 682856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the likelihood of starting with "that". < 1341912735 75681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too high, really. < 1341912736 824768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341912742 823593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, what is the probability of there being such a loop at any point during a generated phrase? < 1341912748 400985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that too hard to figure out? < 1341912765 42582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too hard for me, at least. < 1341912768 259504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341912769 941771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except empirically, of course. < 1341912774 131373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341912788 33911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I don't think srilm generation actually ends up looping so much. < 1341912789 574752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could be a lot of phrases to generate to find that out < 1341912799 967890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so there is in fact a bug in fungot? < 1341912837 193626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a legitimately different algorithm, it doesn't use the backoff weights at all. But there might also be a bug, since I think the perl script (which does try to implement the same thing) was less loopy. < 1341912845 390497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of a bias in the selection. < 1341912849 454502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341912858 35037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1341912873 214537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm off now. cya in a few hours. < 1341912926 80059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, after having just 1% chance of generating a sentence starting with 'that', it also has just 1% chance of following that with 'sword', as opposed to something else. (12% chance of "that was", for example.) < 1341912932 187365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll a lunch too. -> < 1341913102 711423 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my today doesn't deep circuit carvers processor screenshots awesome keep 17607 chain < 1341913133 688877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1341913478 847223 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is people together electronics ally verb monitored whats party bragging gains ones < 1341913997 443539 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : be bow forward green noble wanting aspirations opinion harvested muddy open write < 1341914123 145285 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : night gets did look away living hardly trust house increase 3 thread former happens < 1341914217 89855 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : need good propose look rebel suppose five around gains visit vermin stuf off feeding < 1341914256 484770 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for filling the silence viergl "i knew i could count on you" < 1341914292 62144 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : many for then person known fun fifteen inch master rust raz required linked tonight < 1341914803 409983 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : after into air increased \ recording feeding copypasta family happenings doom camera < 1341914869 204411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought Virgil was vorpal and he'd gone mad < 1341914935 483215 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you information each let whatever dinner sorry ai genius empty circumstances comrades < 1341915165 174280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1341915454 601867 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello edward trying others example race machines porthole food nook egg * tetrahedrite < 1341915683 253848 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric : each person later 4 large lagless differently keep young soon diagnostic carpathio < 1341915686 649887 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-85.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341915702 596884 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-252-169.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1341915796 168300 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341915945 143580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1341916114 677804 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I' < 1341916118 460802 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ll shut him up now < 1341916121 348011 :Virgil!~virgil@91.85.32.82 QUIT :Quit: virgil bot shut down < 1341916198 601387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1341916232 838535 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame mroman, he told me to bring it in; I didn't want to < 1341916249 914911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, what was up with it speaking randomly when not spoken to though? < 1341916263 173634 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it speaks to cover awkward pauses < 1341916274 573395 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the frequency of that seemed to be set absurdly high for some reason :S < 1341916278 508428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was a feature, not a bug? < 1341916285 422637 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a misfeature, possibly < 1341916292 367561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341916303 265186 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default settings for that feature are a bug < 1341917759 444984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Out of a million generated sentences from the Perl script, 1887 (that is, about 0.2%) contain the words "sword alone can't stop". But it doesn't seem inclined to loop, so there must be some sort of an issue in the fungot babble generation. < 1341917760 274088 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the middle ages, sir slush!... ...oh well! come again! these are my friends! let's get crazy! i'm opening a stall in leene! i thought she ate too! < 1341919005 597481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you still talking with those people not even close to match *your* intelligence? < 1341919006 377401 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's a machine that looks like you! and leene and the masamune! how can i do for you? thanks! it's about the missing queen. she still looks so much like leene, that they will take you to your place of execution?! strange, but!? < 1341919034 515371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't look like a machine. < 1341919035 207015 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now... < 1341919108 48022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's enough of ct. < 1341919110 986849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1341919111 820395 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1341919119 157104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1341919120 65859 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1341919124 514457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Let's be serious for once. < 1341919126 367375 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the b�sch report on the economic fabric of coastal areas engaged in fishing. our modern boots fish the waters dry in record time. this review process must be a definitive operation. we must organise it and what would be a pity. < 1341919252 212466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I, too, am very concerned about the coastal areas. Indeed, our reviews must be very definitive. < 1341919253 235645 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, where the government and opposition of both spain and the united states < 1341919261 900875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...yes? < 1341919263 142315 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have a beautifully written note from the responses to the green paper on the reform of the administration play a very valuable suggestion and the commission. < 1341919287 780660 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I fear spain will suffer greatly through its continued membership of the euro. Do you agree? < 1341919290 502370 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: mr president, i too would like to raise one point, for an increase in the burden of proof and to the accounting officer, and it seems that fresh food and safe food go hand in hand with a public and open way and, as a parliament, are willing to believe them, but i think there is a danger that it would not be an obstacle to enlargement. neither the council nor the commission have supported. we believe that the monetar < 1341919319 94594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was obviously getting to the point right where it was cut off. < 1341919334 44541 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is not fresh food associated with lesser variety in food? < 1341919335 978590 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: mr president, commissioner, as has happened on this occasion. i do not know if the policy is ad-hoc or belated and, in payment appropriations, although a number of other states have also contributed to austria' s act of accession, for we know that these biological and toxin weapons, the implementation of innovations. this is a major development! in the current directive 77/ 187 on the safeguarding of peace and coope < 1341919361 435636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the exclamation point! < 1341919379 555551 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I did not know austria had major developments! in biotoxin weapons... < 1341919380 938427 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: we shall certainly pursue our talks with the conflicting parties, but, because the council is not in fact based on the rule of law in europe, fewer young people are concerned, that is what we shall do everything within its powers. < 1341919403 898537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like a real politician., < 1341919419 828174 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, rule of law? I didn't think anyone in the europarl knew what that meant! (Except Hannan, obviously) < 1341919440 352538 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bored now
< 1341919456 539093 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rng dinner sleep < 1341919482 343886 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to consult a d2
< 1341919510 701965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.k.a. a coin? < 1341919544 500952 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that a coin has three sides. :-\ < 1341919606 268076 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, not a coin; rather, bool d2(void){return(rand()>1);} < 1341919610 877044 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or moral equivalent thereof < 1341919703 10549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2 < 1341919703 566263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 1 < 1341919710 65258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we do have also < 1341919713 793642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1341919714 520869 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341919724 469559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it says 'no' instead.) < 1341919742 859517 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, you /do/ have dicebottery < 1341919773 15616 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is very sleeeeeeeeepy :S
< 1341920541 475875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except that a coin has three sides. :-\ <-- only 3? I thought it had an infinite number of sides due to the circular nature of it. < 1341920576 187043 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Coin = Heads | Tails | Side < 1341920614 149391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, yeah but you can approximate the side as a polygon with infinite number of line segments (thus creating a circle) < 1341920617 993979 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sure, data Coin = Heads | Tails | (insert an infinite number of positions along a circle here) < 1341920638 482572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually approximate is the wrong word < 1341920648 594263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Coin = Heads | Tails | Side Double < 1341920657 126309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a bigfloat < 1341920686 723499 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal < 1341920689 497902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When throwing a coin, though, I think usually all the orientations of Side are treated as equal. < 1341920706 484021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a tetrahedron may be the 3D object with the smallest number of flat sides? < 1341920709 334865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1341920718 299006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where are no non-flat surfaces) < 1341920768 753181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means anything less than a d4 is physically impossible < 1341920768 969823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: But what if you land in a non-computable position. :/ < 1341920831 624025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data type is CReal, either that data type is incorrectly named, or it includes non-computable values < 1341920980 991171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming, arguendo, that it doesn't include non-computable values, what's wrong with the name? < 1341921033 915940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the set of real numbers in math includes those < 1341921039 855071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the name is not Real. < 1341921041 963994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CReal. < 1341921042 650399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what does the C stand for? < 1341921046 996030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341921053 399193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable? < 1341921057 886348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that is fine then < 1341921073 218944 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1341921079 431896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct data type is obviously Heads | Tails | Side Real < 1341921085 386667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sidereal. < 1341921086 853636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a d4 that has two 1s and two 2s is a d2. < 1341921090 715702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1341921101 682927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, true, that would work < 1341921148 359660 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation of CReal talks of both constructive and computable reals. < 1341921155 980708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a d4 that has one 1, one 2 and two undefined sides. < 1341921184 165842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the worst case time when using that to get a defined value is infinite though < 1341921184 364800 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom < 1341921187 330044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be a problem < 1341921315 827358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose it depends on if you need e.g. hard real-time guarantees for your dice rolls, in which case using actual dice *might* not be the best possible solution. < 1341921352 697422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :d4, the most dangerous die. < 1341921379 524792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For stepping on, at least.) < 1341921408 866424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess a d100 might be easier to slip on, for example. < 1341921438 380226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341921491 879014 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, d100 also works as a d2. < 1341921501 950327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a tetrahedron should in theory be balanced on any of the points, right? < 1341921528 228990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as any of the edges < 1341921545 130560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means it is not actually a d4 < 1341921600 747782 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically < 1341921612 419590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1341921616 78707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is far more unstable on the points/edges than a coin is on its side < 1341921621 502615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1341921623 451387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1341921648 582960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, with apointy enough d4, if you're not rolling it in play-doh or carpet < 1341921656 794391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not gonna happen < 1341921657 850397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1341921664 386930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assume a spherical d4..." < 1341921669 299728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1341921673 511934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1341921681 909977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a spherical d4
< 1341921683 709372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what a physicist would say. :p < 1341921687 163976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1341921780 564248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember some weeks ago I watched as a group of people play a drinking game with dice. The issue however was that they did this on an uneven outdoors wooden table. The dice quite often landed in the small gaps between the planks making up the surface. They quickly agreed upon that the player could choose any of the two sides facing up in that case. And that nobody should try to intentionally roll it t < 1341921780 763926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :o land in those gaps. < 1341921784 690901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spherical massless d4 in a vacuum, on a frictionless plane. Also an ideal spring would be involved somewhere. < 1341921814 465156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they used classical d6 btw) < 1341921840 859907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the game was fia med knuff, which I believe does not have an English name.) < 1341921964 358880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch_ärgere_dich_nicht < 1341921980 290264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called Ludo. < 1341921997 714008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, similar to what is called Ludo. < 1341922002 377275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually not exactly the same as what I linked < 1341922009 467530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Swedish game is slightly different < 1341922022 6081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have tracks going in from the outer track to the middle as well < 1341922035 193965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember the Finnish game that's quite similar. < 1341922042 785518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of places to put the playing pieces that finished < 1341922074 904164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be how that game works? < 1341922096 530191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those "home row" thingies are not the same < 1341922142 577475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, Kimble. It's a licensed copy of the US 'Trouble', which is kind of similar, though not exactly the same. < 1341922164 191224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has that pop-o-matic die-roller device embedded on the board. < 1341922169 754127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1341922173 61164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1341922176 438504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_%28board_game%29 has a picture. < 1341922183 791934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a half-sphere with 2d6 in it. < 1341922190 722932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1341922191 157465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You press it down, and then it pops up and rolls them. < 1341922211 58623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would help if you're, say, playing it on an uneven outdoors wooden table. < 1341922218 67618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Fia is played with 1d6 < 1341922263 882933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why there's two in that picture, actually. < 1341922279 849482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one seems to be blank. < 1341922288 523091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it helps in getting the other to roll more randomly. < 1341922295 802835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a pop-o-matic expert. < 1341922331 440239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341922335 504483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kimble board looks approximately like http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Kimble_1968.jpg < 1341922350 405927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've seen are not quite so 1968, but the shape's the same. < 1341922376 364125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work on a battery or what? < 1341922384 363627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just mechanic. < 1341922387 280248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341922429 973339 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: trouble is only supposed to contain 1d6 < 1341922450 219542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, but the wiki-article has a blank cube in there too. < 1341922458 669180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a video of the popping.) < 1341922472 639600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish board picture just has one. < 1341922478 886166 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a disc spring kinda thing inside it. < 1341922486 74952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should only have one < 1341922493 123482 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You push the half-sphere down, it buckles the spring, you let it go and it throws the die around < 1341922508 206005 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the entire "floor" of the thing is one disc spring. < 1341922545 204100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though it has some sort of a thing that it springs back in one go, you can't really let it go gently. If I recall correctly. It's like a lid popping back to shape or something. < 1341922560 574437 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1341922603 69793 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's like an exaggerated jar lid < 1341922619 521209 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The kind that makes a popping sound when you push it) < 1341922664 719713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :snapple lid :P < 1341923204 887586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341924397 422675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does bmake search for sys.mk? < 1341927171 259940 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1341928179 524351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, try an strace? < 1341928242 88312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, something like this should work: strace bmake whatever params you want 2>&1 | grep -E '^open' | grep sys.mk < 1341928255 34539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want grep -F for the last grep < 1341928278 182437 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341928451 50715 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1341928464 404901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is /share/mk by the way < 1341928611 724097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, strace is like the second program you install on any new *nix install :P < 1341928616 411307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(right after emacs that is) < 1341928721 212053 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have emacs and I installed strace 5 minutes ago < 1341928779 270090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, did Dinosaur Comics go Zalgo? < 1341929306 788516 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341929730 610869 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341929756 515555 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341929759 698175 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1341929862 599265 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1341929964 535523 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentaly busybox ash. is this bad? < 1341930126 491334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you accidentally to it. < 1341930138 404952 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashed < 1341930299 521147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341930401 162412 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341931980 813006 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341932051 77885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1341932070 650742 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341932099 972950 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341932114 351214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You always say that. < 1341932131 997987 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because when I don't, oerjan calls me slow < 1341932152 59669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because I always say it < 1341932164 258178 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341932165 723221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible spiral. < 1341932662 649236 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341934015 620819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just broken by obfuscated haskell code < 1341934076 142773 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting... < 1341934082 797814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly a bug in GHC < 1341934119 372322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm using unsafeCoerce so many times, it may not be < 1341934133 772455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving (<*>) from prefix to infix seems to break the program < 1341935038 545422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341935091 474033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is the best way to parse an XML file on android? I would really like to just end up deserialising it into a set of java objects or something simple like that. However I don't have any control over the input file, so that approach would probably have some security issues < 1341935404 192231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/71201 < 1341935416 767118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why < 1341935421 619650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that isn't relevant to what you are talking about, Vorpal) < 1341935422 761795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUn < 1341935425 430147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it do < 1341935432 199937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorial calculator < 1341935439 797187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1341935552 451330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... may not work for values over 9 < 1341935568 562883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes about 20 seconds for 9, and I haven't had the patience to test 10 < 1341935608 522941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds doesn't sound so bad < 1341935616 573202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how much worse could 10 be < 1341935619 710470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :than 9 < 1341935623 43096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 times worse? < 1341935629 854828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using 10 times the space? < 1341935631 748538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, or how many seconds did 8! take? < 1341935649 422917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what your algorithm is < 1341935663 965773 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 is about 1 second < 1341935669 7302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1341935672 330889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you paste this in #haskell? < 1341935679 923659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is about 8 seconds? < 1341935682 342604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recently < 1341935698 268020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It takes about 20 seconds for 9, and I haven't had the patience to test 10 9 is about 8 seconds? <-- inconsistent! < 1341935707 717673 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a long term project, this is probably gonna be the final version < 1341935738 318555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how can 9! take both 20 and 8 seconds? < 1341935747 35225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the first was my perception before timing it, the second was the actual time < 1341935750 225778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341935763 155575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how does it work? < 1341935783 555708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the actual algorithm, but it uses combinatory logic < 1341935816 34097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341935916 837887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half of the unsafeCoerces can be replaced by ids < 1341936019 376895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, one of my comments on reddit has mysteriously gained 45 upvotes < 1341936086 398952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341936088 359630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-85.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1341936486 691120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably better ways to obfuscate haskell code. < 1341936500 10430 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1341936785 170625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to obfuscate a Haskell code may be like that http://sprunge.us/CFFL < 1341936852 434610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's see if you can make improvements < 1341937123 707100 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.214.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341937124 95973 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.214.231 QUIT :Changing host < 1341937124 295021 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1341937127 286848 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART :#esoteric < 1341937239 677536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unfamiliar with the default keyword? < 1341937256 33773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC extension I think < 1341937382 295871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me: 0 knockdowns, 77 punches thrown, 25 punches landed (32%). Opponent: 0 knockdowns, 79 punches thrown, 33 punches landed (42%). This is the end of the second round where I earned 9 points on both rounds and opponent earned 10 points on both rounds. Which advice should I select? < 1341937443 817022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose from: (A) Go for the body; wear him down! (B) He's weak! Go for the knockout! (C) Make him come to you more, then strike! (D) Stay back and jab and save your strength. (E) Try to get him to punch himself out! (F) Go all out and finish him now! (G) Do exactly as you have been. < 1341937515 487154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say E < 1341937524 861558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't seem very accurate < 1341937545 870104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :G is bad, because you look like you're losing? < 1341937568 900339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will try that one. And yes I also think G is bad here. I will try E. < 1341937600 605942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no I got knocked out but made it up on time < 1341937623 752361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I managed to knock him out, but he also made it up on time < 1341937636 891015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game < 1341937646 906386 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, this is real life < 1341937651 401338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top Rank Boxing by UltraSoft < 1341937657 61807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nes game? < 1341937664 928015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! BBS door game. < 1341937669 821746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1341937683 851962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bbs game with no bbs < 1341937686 102521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1341937688 557556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it worked, now I have 10 points to opponent's 9 points. < 1341937698 4130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why do you think there is no BBS? < 1341937714 371740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 1990 called and took all their BBSes back. < 1341937751 249005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is BBS! But now it is internet (by telnet) rather than telephone numbers. Specifically, X-BIT < 1341937766 56416 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-28.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a bytecode worth compiling to. < 1341937774 304445 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-28.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone? < 1341937782 582822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones aren't worth? < 1341937795 247907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: LLVM is one < 1341937896 241581 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-28.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks, I'll look into this < 1341938011 859728 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341938339 250296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well... < 1341938344 63238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me grep my logs. < 1341938510 56129 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/zCZaTGxw <- there you go. < 1341938586 213584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more obfuscated... < 1341938655 433109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/oRZa6L54 < 1341938659 461038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly aligned btw. < 1341938679 873694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my totaly overengineered solution to < 1341938687 150039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a == 3 then 5 else a < 1341938693 898601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*totally < 1341938722 660710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could actually decorate it a little bit. < 1341938773 250266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to improve this program: http://sprunge.us/CFFL (such as by making it do some more things) < 1341938866 984305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1341939058 323211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I'm proud of my solution. < 1341939115 794205 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help my connection has gone slow < 1341939161 109622 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it took about a minute for speedtest.net to actually pick a server. < 1341939543 181388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I just hand de-obfuscated that, assuming minimal extenstions. < 1341939549 64506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I missed the point slightly < 1341939691 732788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Post it anyways. And then re-obfuscate it if you want to, and/or add the check for more extensions. < 1341939706 363115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see how it works < 1341939722 251205 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341939723 244013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite good! < 1341940017 931163 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341940069 809895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341940268 780547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do plugs which plug into the cigarette lighter connector in cars fit so badly? After all the actual original cigarette lighter fits well into there... < 1341940645 423630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/YeWM < 1341940653 843284 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 55.5 < 1341940657 122427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly the best-designedelectric outlet. < 1341940680 500520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1341940683 622416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but why? < 1341940717 916431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's what you get with de-facto standards that just "happened". < 1341940729 386936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they put USB charging ports in cars yet? < 1341940738 238455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in high end ones? < 1341940746 309333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the car I'm driving most time is from 2001 anyway < 1341940781 732085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also while the outlet is indeed poorly designed, the plugs are even worse. It is like they were designed to fit different sized outlets or something. < 1341940798 585268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have much smaller diameter than the actual lighter for a start < 1341940801 780424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and springs on the sides < 1341940806 195370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1341940822 155724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, according to wikipedia there are different sizes! < 1341940825 293702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains that < 1341940828 471818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible they might. < 1341940831 421726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :American/European < 1341940835 308131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341940849 867149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they want to cover both without making separate plugs. < 1341940856 140271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1341940868 232348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/EiIc < 1341940871 388222 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 57.0 < 1341940889 93174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"USB standard 5-volt outlets are offered in tandem with cigar lighter outlets in newer vehicles." (From the same article.) < 1341940889 559804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the difference is less than one millimeter though < 1341940925 659144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess then you need springs to cover both, and that leads to a poor fit for any size < 1341941213 165049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341941268 527422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, my connection is over three times faster running Linux on the same computer. < 1341941272 773388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is worrying. < 1341942020 698310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet is faster on linux, but the connection has larger range on Windows < 1341942096 387791 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1341942109 250079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, don't know why < 1341942566 872119 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341942699 590286 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-145-69.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341942738 168282 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1341942790 206214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made it slightly artier < 1341942790 587093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/71206 < 1341942802 282236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip your monitor so the left side is up) < 1341942825 972161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and set it to white-on-black) < 1341942861 279160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341942876 187945 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341942883 622052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341944058 336916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding raneg, that could physically speaking be different transmission power (or other related) settings in the wireless drivers for Linux/Windows. < 1341944065 677071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raneg, raneg. < 1341944070 124492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb's connection raneg. < 1341944088 491532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And speed? < 1341944108 302993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when the Windows connection was fine up until about a week ago? < 1341944122 247779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Moreover, my connection is over three times faster running Linux on the same computer. <-- how many times did you switch back and forth and check? Maybe it was just a temporary issue when you ran whatever the other OS was < 1341944163 272815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : My internet is faster on linux, but the connection has larger range on Windows <-- what do you mean with range? < 1341944172 653747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know, wireless? < 1341944180 383590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1341944181 463254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341944188 469685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what I assume. < 1341944199 536121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I've also noticed regularly having latency that's normally over 100ms and regularly over 300. < 1341944207 979077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so he isn't talking about reaching say the US on linux, but only being able to visit websites from Japan while using windows? < 1341944218 540432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1341944223 84189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you never know. But it wouldn't be my first guess. < 1341944226 454934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because that would have been insane) < 1341944241 117220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing TF2 quite regularly when it started, too. < 1341944253 420542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the US is closer to the UK than Japan... < 1341944255 193909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mentioned my old-old dialup from the company who sold also a "Finland-only Internet" connection with a cheaper per-minute price. < 1341944259 787975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also closer to Sweden... < 1341944268 89834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, he said it had better range on windows though < 1341944272 856276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was faster on linux < 1341944285 789483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the 'only' was in a confusing place. < 1341944289 881523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1341944294 835013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah you are right < 1341944295 723006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1341944329 275425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway /your/ internet issues, are they on the LAN/WLAN side or the WAN side? < 1341944367 170760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally use ethernet due to how bad most wifi routers are. < 1341944383 161573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think to actually cover this entire house I would need two wifi repeaters < 1341944395 619316 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ethernet because I don't have wifi card < 1341944404 606650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on my laptop I meant < 1341944413 414244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my desktop I use ethernet for the same reason as nortti < 1341944422 183588 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also speaking of laptop' < 1341944428 920321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, are wifi repeaters passive devices or do they (and possibly the router) need to be configured in some way? < 1341944482 416914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one? < 1341944495 927562 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had working wifi card I wouldn't use 30 meters long ethernet cables < 1341944532 251091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had working wifi coverage of this room I would still use ethernet, because ethernet is faster when transferring files between the computers < 1341944534 396018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the repeaters I know of need to be configured, at the very least with the specifics of which network they need to repeat. < 1341944549 471784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the wifi in this hotel is very very spotty. < 1341944560 684561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but does it need any sort of support from the access point it is repeating? < 1341944604 296429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that perhaps it does not, if it appears as a client to the AP. But I could be completely wrong. Certainly there was something manufacturer-specific going on in there. < 1341944618 561978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't set up more complicated wifi topologies than a single AP ever. < 1341944649 897819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of signal coverage, the GSM signal is extremely bad in parts of the living room. < 1341944664 331944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly fine in the rest of the house < 1341944677 462438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway; there's also a single wired Ethernet hole in this room, so we're just using an ad-hoc wlan between the two laptops (that sit about 30 cm from each other) to share it. Works fine-ish. < 1341944703 563319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341944714 948727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works finnish? < 1341944751 87171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't have any cables to wire these two computers together. Except for one Ethernet cable, but both laptops have just one port, so that'd be kinda counterproductive. < 1341944783 707696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess I could run some sort of custom softmodem thing over the audio-in/out ports. < 1341944861 266629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least there is something in the socket. I have seen a setup where a wall ethernet socket was seemingly connected (the status LEDs on the port of the laptop connected to it lit up) but it could not be used to establish a connection. So far nothing too strange. However, the strange bit was (when using WLAN) the laptop only responded to ping when it was plugged into the ethernet, even though tha < 1341944861 502655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :t response was on the wifi IP... < 1341944875 252058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the laptop was running windows 7 btw) < 1341944906 293127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have dual-ended audio cables!? < 1341944920 16106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you carry those around < 1341944920 374886 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1341944924 212835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-over headset cables < 1341944926 927486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how often do you need those < 1341944930 722003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used one once < 1341944943 46667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to connect line-out on a tape player to line-in on a PC) < 1341945004 681882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sometimes there's a 3.5mm stereo in-plug in hotel room sound systems, to plug a personal audio player to; and there's a 3.5mm hole in the N900. So I have one cable to do that, just in case. < 1341945018 473244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341945036 598515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be unidirectional, though. < 1341945053 4724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, any idea what "wifi repeater" is in Swedish, trying to find what those costs, but unable to find any in any of the webshops I searched < 1341945066 243128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd call it wifi-repeater < 1341945072 519775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no luck with that < 1341945102 677864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wifi bridge? Hm that would be at a higher level in the protocol stack wouldn't it? < 1341945119 899564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have one cable from Nokia's four-pin 3.5mm A/V connector (it's compatible with regular 3.5mm audio, but also has composite video in it) into 3x male RCA, and a 2x female RCA -> 3.5mm stereo adapter, I think that might have a chance of working as well. < 1341945161 444890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wifi range extenders listed under "bryggor". What a stupid translation < 1341945198 714236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, they are as expensive as access points? < 1341945203 534681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that make any sense < 1341945212 103083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd have much the same hardware, presumably. < 1341945217 149792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are access points? < 1341945219 792409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true I guess < 1341945235 456626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the wired Ethernet (and probably the wifi too) here NATs, so the second laptop is now in the enviable position of being behind a double NAT. < 1341945242 37330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why not just sell them as dual function devices? < 1341945256 631412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :APs often do have repeater modes, actually. < 1341945261 372410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1341945279 684199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mostly dealt with combined ADSL-modem/switch/AP devices < 1341945282 988281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my Linksys WAP-54G had like five operating modes, of which more than one had to do with some sort of a repeater thing. < 1341945290 37371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those of course lacks such features < 1341945307 973989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had pure Ethernet coming out of the wall back when we got the AP, so I got a single-function device. < 1341945361 332573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, anyway /your/ internet issues, are they on the LAN/WLAN side or the WAN side? < 1341945396 513019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well on a solid basis of uninformed conjecture I'd say it's probably on the LAN side. < 1341945407 517918 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-28.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1341945417 613640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you using ethernet, wifi, appletalk or token ring? Or possibly something else? < 1341945439 842235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If token ring, check if the token has fallen out accidentally. < 1341945445 720105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341945456 844389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal are you trying to make yourself look clever by naming as many LAN setups as you can. < 1341945459 787774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could that actually happen? < 1341945459 986532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's in the BOFH excuse calendar. < 1341945462 344297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a faint buzzing noise in the cable as the tokens swooshes past < 1341945471 280924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, I'm just sleep deprived < 1341945519 464362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I guess token ring would have had some sort of time out to detect if a participating device malfunctioned and didn't pass the token on? < 1341945527 170730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose it depends on how vaguely you are willing to interpret it. I mean, I suspect there could be a failure mode where one of the devices would repeatedly "drop" the token. < 1341945552 255921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethernet connected to a WiFi extender connected to a shitty router in the next room connected through ethernet to a modem connecting to a mysterious coax cable coming out of the floor. < 1341945583 516408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the modem doesn't do NAT? < 1341945589 431105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I think it works is that every NIC in the ring needs to actively forward information, so a broken device can kill the whole ring < 1341945606 64961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd tell you if I knew what NAT is. < 1341945622 823986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, network address translation < 1341945627 3099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps < 1341945635 288841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astonishingly, it does not. < 1341945636 63677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure ... I guess serious token rings would have several rings for backup < 1341945636 937640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the bit that turns a public IP into a non-public one < 1341945651 823838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like you have 192.168.0.1 internally and something else on the outside < 1341945655 427908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about the 192.168.x.x thing? < 1341945663 579150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiple computers can share that external address < 1341945669 500825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are. < 1341945671 750817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, or 10.x.x.x or another range I forgot < 1341945685 635923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, considering it has one ethernet port so it'd be kind of redundant. < 1341945714 458830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, debugging token ring sounds a bit like fault searching a serial Christmas tree light loop thingy < 1341945720 877662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier though < 1341945733 576971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's some sort of a protocol that you use to join the ring, I know that much; and one of the stations is the active monitor. I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to de-insert a misbehaving node from the ring. (It's not physically a ring topology, after all.) < 1341945771 450642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? that is kind of boring < 1341945787 792312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would you do a ring topology if it wasn't a physical ring < 1341945800 88075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the connectors were made so that when you disconnect a node you automatically reconnect the previous and next nodes to the ring < 1341945805 99599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was presumably easier to do access control like that, with the token thing. < 1341945813 437221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341945847 85211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from before the ethernet hippies figured out you could just let collisions happen and recover afterwards < 1341945848 972618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's obviously going to be easier because messages will still get transmitted up until the broken terminal. < 1341945856 3898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the continually circulating token sounds incredibly energy inefficient btw < 1341945873 203420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With lights in serial there's no current in any of the bulbs. < 1341945879 547650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, true < 1341945943 758528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and these days we don't let collision happen any more, instead we use full-duplex connections to what is essentially a specialised computer (the switch) < 1341945948 433052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1341945993 792619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old thinwire-Ethernet (10BASE2) is probably a worse thing to debug than a Token ring network, since a break anywhere will crap the whole segment. < 1341946004 741908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so today the whole collision detection stuff on ethernet is no longer needed. < 1341946023 92418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can gbit ethernet even run on a hub? < 1341946036 62919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would kind of surprise me if it could < 1341946054 113724 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there was actually a gigabit token ring standard < 1341946056 224743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was thinwire the one with the spikes? < 1341946057 401266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have thinwire network of ~20 nodes in a computer classroom at school. The cables ran across corridors under some sort of covers. < 1341946064 147369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It often didn't work. < 1341946092 886354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the one with the T connectors. Thickwire (10BASE5) is the one with the vampire connectors. < 1341946096 424637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341946155 273227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "LAN" from those days also ran thinwire Ethernet using discarded networking equipment from said school, IIRC. < 1341946171 192337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that one had just two (maybe three?) computers, so isolating faults was kind of easier. < 1341946199 266845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did faults happen though? < 1341946210 938558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very often I presume? < 1341946217 133834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. Not often, no. < 1341946222 22573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341946226 276243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was that? < 1341946233 164366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not as often as at school, where people kept trampling over the cables. < 1341946255 836342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in 1997 or so. < 1341946269 868961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going purely on when I was at said school. < 1341946271 35210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember ever having a problem with modern cat5e cables btw. Not with the cables themselves that is. < 1341946290 120013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They went twisted-pair when they renovated the computer rooms. < 1341946315 125439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it used to be possible to confuse crossover and normal cables though < 1341946339 802059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm I connected normal cables between computers with no issues < 1341946342 776564 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our school still has some thinnet networks < 1341946370 32831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I did that recently to do internet sharing to a desktop for example < 1341946377 171006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not until 1000Base-T that I think auto-MDIX became standard. < 1341946379 592475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess modern NICs are smarter? < 1341946385 415719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, that's what's been recently fixed, NICs with media detection that automatically detects what cable you used and what you should've used < 1341946385 659546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, auto-MDIX? < 1341946391 502678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The thing that lets you use whichever type of cable. < 1341946393 397737 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also still have 5" floppy disk drives so it isn't a surprise < 1341946408 919912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ... wow < 1341946431 185186 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh. and they are now moving from betamax < 1341946439 555766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the desktop was actually pretty old. Had 2 SCSI drivers in it. Actually an old server. Pentium 3 thingy. And it had 100 mbit networking. < 1341946448 750869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever even seen non-TP ethernet < 1341946454 947496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess the laptop could have handled the cable detection < 1341946457 310255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's enough for one end of the link to be new. < 1341946461 230010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely has gbit ethernet < 1341946467 398160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1341946475 63919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And some 100Base-T cards can of course do it too, it's just not as widespread.) < 1341946507 93476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think I've ever even seen non-TP ethernet <-- I have, though not while in use. But I have seen a vampire spike in real life. < 1341946510 996913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's mandatory in gigabit Ethernet or not, but at least it's very common. < 1341946543 993172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was in some sort of historical display of technology in an internal window at university or something. < 1341946548 484049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hen two auto-MDIX ports are connected together, which is normal for modern products, the algorithm resolution time is typically < 500 ms. However, a ~1.4 second asynchronous timer is used to resolve the extremely rare case (with a probability of less than 1 in 1021) of a loop where each end keeps switching." < 1341946554 17973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1341946558 406090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("When", not "hen".) < 1341946570 241338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 10^21. < 1341946577 83502 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341946578 648506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-145-69.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1341946598 22798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've been somewhat ironic if they made it so that MDIX couldn't reliably negotiate with MDIX < 1341946612 714936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and couldn't that 1.4 second timer also end up triggering at the same time? < 1341946616 761372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very unlikely, sure < 1341946620 404848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it /could/ happen < 1341946665 13679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a PRNG involved for the "regular" way, that's where the 10^21 comes from I think. < 1341946753 361827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 10^21, I thought it was 1024 minus 3 for some reason < 1341946754 238171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ~1.4 second timer resets the PRNG or something. < 1341946820 213627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1341946828 361652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's considered just completely unlikely for both ends to end up with the same random seed every time, the reset is just there in case it happens once. < 1341946928 303663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had some autonegotiation issues with modern-ish Ethernet, though. < 1341946941 273016 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 500ms is long enough to be noticable < 1341946941 569807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ünicode? ISO-8859 < 1341946946 737735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some link somewhere only worked with autonegotiation disabled. < 1341946959 351290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: < 500ms. < 1341947003 880824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The PRNG is clocked at 55ms, and the probability for a matching run of length 2 is around 0.1, so in 90% of cases it's about 100ms. < 1341947018 361835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, about 55ms. < 1341947038 727630 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also we still sometimes use reel-to-reel tape recorders and slide projectors. just to give you idea how moredn our school is :P < 1341947042 574772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously, with a run of length 0 it's "instant", and for length 1 it'd be that 55ms.) < 1341947059 123804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen an overhead projector used at Aalto too. < 1341947070 786393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :55ms is 7MB at gigabit speeds < 1341947099 246540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sure, but consider it in the speeds of your grubby fingers plugging that cable in. < 1341947155 766768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't start a transfer the instant you plug it in < 1341947168 981380 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those where you have to put see through sheet on the glass surface and then it projects the image? < 1341947176 950456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Right. < 1341947187 852648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I connect this laptop it takes considerably more than a second before DHCP and all that completed < 1341947188 671378 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use them all the time < 1341947193 331949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty neat - remove the mirror on top and you have an optical burning device < 1341947199 568770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so that auto negotiation is not really significant < 1341947201 842697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a Fresnel lens in it. < 1341947250 580996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the light output can set things on fire, that's true. Or at least make things start smoking. < 1341947269 736142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't that make the image quality suffer somewhat? Unless it is between the lamp and the image < 1341947284 320704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That light gave me my first cigarette, and it's been downhill from there" < 1341947307 489075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what < 1341947327 513805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... Or at least make things start smoking. < 1341947345 599123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is. The lamp is in the box, the lens forms the top of the box the slide sits on top of that, and then there's a lens-mirror combination in an arm to direct the image to the wall. < 1341947381 381880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes but what did it have to do with cigarettes? < 1341947393 16798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, smoking? < 1341947397 947122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lamps fail every so often, too. And they have noisy fans. < 1341947402 543470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1341947427 632565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes but in the context it isn't that type of smoking. That joke was too far fetched. < 1341947439 757569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT JOKE WAS NOT FAR-FETCHED ENOUGH < 1341947451 924040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: har du aldrig sett en OH-projektor? < 1341947457 406854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so pretty much the same issues as PC projectors have < 1341947461 863234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, sure I have, what about them < 1341947470 893844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the ones we were talking about < 1341947490 88946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh with "overhead" I imagined he meant something mounted overhead < 1341947492 525993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, duh < 1341947511 225840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think about what OH meant < 1341947513 707138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1341947526 846908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen an OH projector with fans in it though < 1341947537 286830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird. < 1341947548 684984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much all I've seen have had large fans to stop the lamp from melting. < 1341947549 698870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen one without fans < 1341947560 632701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe the fans were just very quiet? < 1341947569 821683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probs < 1341947577 58943 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ < 1341947577 677452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're generally large, so I suppose they can be quiet if the manufacturer cares. < 1341947591 669575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also for the lamp thingy, the ones I have seen have a slider on the side that allow you to switch to a different lamp if the primary one dies. < 1341947601 503737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can continue the lecture < 1341947611 107969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds so high-end. < 1341947629 425943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every single room at the university I attended had an OH projector < 1341947639 230699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, every single lecture room or such < 1341947644 976266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the toilets obviously) < 1341947660 304303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your toilets didn’t have OH projectors? :-( < 1341947665 476941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas no < 1341947671 594548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think our lecture rooms all have them any more, they've been somewhat replaced by those document-camera dealies. < 1341947674 762510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many still do, though. < 1341947686 179800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Red Dwarf's continuity stay consistent? < 1341947687 636066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's somewhere in a corner. < 1341947707 426281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when early episodes have things such as Lister getting married in the future, will it happen in the show? < 1341947721 541852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I only seen those in two places. One portable that a specific teacher used, and one in the 600-person lecture auditorium < 1341947722 693167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1341947730 500269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lecture/ < 1341947734 570733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it's much more important for them that things are funny than that they make sense < 1341947744 798942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Even if it's somewhere in a corner. <-- well yes < 1341947758 854902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most teachers seem to use portable projectors < 1341947762 582224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those have loud fans < 1341947798 552846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ooooh, I remember the *best thing*. Our maths teacher in grades 7-12 (numbered linearly from start of school) had this TI-86 add-on device, it had a translucent LCD screen that you put on top of a regular overhead projector. < 1341947804 809486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it showed the calculator screen on it. < 1341947810 189325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the fanciest thing in the world. < 1341947810 754888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1341947816 784333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I heard of those < 1341947822 211051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen one < 1341947829 255085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-12 (numbered linearly from start of school) <-- how else would you number them? < 1341947845 433182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some laptops have/had displays where you could remove the back of them and use them on an OH projector < 1341947857 138023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're actually 7-9 and then high-school 1-3. < 1341947858 612534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, we have 1-9 then three years in the gymnasium, then whatever years at university < 1341947862 348457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1341947887 382776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you had the same teacher in primary school and high school? < 1341947890 457679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a very similar system, but in general the school systems differ so much, I thought a linear numbering would be easier. < 1341947941 266267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The school did both 7-9 and the high-school 1-3; quite many here do. < 1341947953 999513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1-6 and 7-9 parts are generally in different schools. < 1341947960 18316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ala-aste and yläaste. < 1341947979 585708 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our school is 1-9 and 10 < 1341947987 687875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1341947990 618804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all teachers were involved in both, but they shared some infrastructure. < 1341948017 638226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, we had this math-oriented classes-7-9 thing where we did some early high school math courses early, to get a bit of a head start. < 1341948026 495715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I did 1-6 in one school, then 7-9 in another, then 1-3 of gymnasium at yet another place < 1341948026 694855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we had the same maths teacher all the way through. < 1341948030 800715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then university of course < 1341948062 534562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:39: I'm unfamiliar with the default keyword? < 1341948062 733235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:56: GHC extension I think < 1341948063 764711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I did 1-2 in one place but it was technically the same school, just across the road from the 3-6 one < 1341948064 388481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also quite often the case. And I do think I had to apply for the high school bit separately. They just are in the same building, and some teachers tech in bth. < 1341948082 843119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I'm drpping lttrs. < 1341948088 117484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :default is standard, but ghc has an extension ExtendedDefaultRules or something which makes it more flexible. < 1341948101 117498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, inded < 1341948108 152526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does it work? < 1341948124 644129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is all beside the point of what a fancy TI-86 add-on device. It required a custom-modified calculator with a bulge where the screen cable connected to. < 1341948141 630917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was a 85. < 1341948150 406551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them, anyway. < 1341948204 276574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_viewscreen_panel.html < 1341948207 310160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing. < 1341948228 119552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's for the TI-Nspire. < 1341948235 913171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looked rather similar. < 1341948264 527134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1341948311 670696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: e.g. default (Integer, Double) makes haskell choose the first of Integer and Double which fits whenever numeric types need to be defaulted. (that's the default default, btw :P). defaulting can happen either in cases like x^2, where there is absolutely nothing to tell what type 2 should be other than an Integral, or when the monomorphism restriction hits like with x = 2 as a declaration at top level. < 1341948339 695545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1341948467 988799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the standard only allows defaulting to happen when all typeclasses involved are in the haskell report and at least one is numeric. (although i've previously found ghc doesn't include e.g. Random). ghc's extension relaxes this to allow any single type (kind * i think, so cannot be used to choose a Monad) type classes which don't need to be standard ones. < 1341948519 449061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc ghci by default runs with the extension and default ((), Integer, Double), which means you get () as the default for e.g. Show with no numeric content < 1341948590 89349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should check that Monad thing, because i briefly had an idea for your obfuscation which might work if that isn't the case < 1341948614 753024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :default ((-> r)? < 1341948626 666457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1341948634 998856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) r < 1341948638 233712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1341948674 838896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more likely something like default ((()->())->()->())->(()->())->()->() < 1341948680 250572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+) < 1341948753 5527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/interactive-evaluation.html#extended-default-rules < 1341948760 892017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a different note, is it bad that I think the Env comonad makes more sense than the Reader monad? < 1341948833 540126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs off :P
< 1341949088 890392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come back! < 1341949692 640930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used a comonad for real, i think < 1341949788 847832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait ghc doesn't actually drop the numeric requirement entirely :( it just adds Show, Eq, and Ord. < 1341949921 265017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a vague understanding of Monads as adding context and Comonads as using context < 1341949947 632541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough, now go write a tutorial! < 1341949963 705100 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww man, I suck at writing tutorials < 1341949981 525626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as do most people who have written monad tutorials. < 1341949997 635685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341949998 470386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemmih says: inv2004: Haskell isn't like all the other mainstream languages. You really need to read a tutorial. < 1341950004 431823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341950005 178085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djahandarie says: I think there should be a new internet rule.... "if it exists, there is a monad tutorial using it as an analogy" < 1341950008 394896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, so I'd fit right in < 1341950015 63980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341950015 682541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arw says: ...and a basic law of haskell is, 50% of all documentation has to be monad tutorials :) < 1341950019 759395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341950020 456523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lispy says: monad tutorial : haskell :: conflictor representation : darcs hacking < 1341950038 872014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is a conflictor representation < 1341950041 268661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341950041 864786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname says: i prefer monat tutorials like buttiros, delicious if it comes in, but what's left is just poo < 1341950058 341977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1341950058 947783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djahandarie says: I think there should be a new internet rule.... "if it exists, there is a monad tutorial using it as an analogy" < 1341950200 236074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted to Red Dwarf < 1341950248 563642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a drug? < 1341950272 20125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it, in this case, is a TV Show which Phantom_Hoover mentioned yesterday < 1341950285 849466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341950370 472065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's OK, it's a British show. < 1341950390 464485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be into the long, painful withdrawal in no time at all. < 1341950406 915880 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341950408 916905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't watch anything past the second episode of the 7th series because it's all shit. < 1341950537 957007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that show's got no kind of atmosphere < 1341950756 491682 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1341951088 845192 :sclv!~sclv@198.45.18.20 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341951444 707531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-173.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1341951453 420326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1341951523 895697 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's easy to stave off for a bit. < 1341951534 134736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By watching more British TV. < 1341951543 722577 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, this only *delays* the problem. < 1341951552 554186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have you watched Spaced, Spaced is even harder to cope with because there are only 14 episodes and coming down again renders you unable to laugh at lesser comedy. < 1341951588 523646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so recommend that he doesn't watch it then? < 1341951611 767839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, dunno what you're watching, but sitcoms are so short you can easily burn through the entire run in a day or two if you're binging. < 1341951621 615173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if there is eventually enough British TV it can delay it for the rest of your life? < 1341951626 237999 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1341951628 451443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see above. < 1341951653 188503 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but you can move on to other sitcoms. This delays the problem for a few days. < 1341951661 511387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, I'm not saying it is currently possible, TV as a medium hasn't been around long enough < 1341951669 434176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, you quickly come across the problem that 99% of everything is shit. < 1341951674 307199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your great-great-grandchildren might be able to do so < 1341951698 173932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your average sitcom has maybe 9 hours of footage total, more for real long-runners. < 1341951701 811568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1341951713 523071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren then < 1341951757 969320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re Spaced you can't not watch Spaced < 1341951770 418692 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine there's enough British TV you could spend a fairly large portion of your life watching all of it. However, there's not enough British TV *worth watching* for that. < 1341951816 386960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a lot of mileage out of classic Doctor Who, but it's a) often bad and b) often lost forever. < 1341951830 165637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse still, a and b show little correlation. < 1341951871 17246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda wish there was just a list of decent classic Doctor Who... < 1341951890 825207 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it'd be short enough you could watch all of it without being highly obsessed. < 1341952154 235383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the BBC does have that comprehensive episode guide with rough commentary. < 1341952226 295588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's here if you want to look: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/ ) < 1341952293 677384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow they still have the same early 2000s media player and everything, < 1341952436 985450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note especially the bottom line and analysis sections in the "In Detail" page.) < 1341952525 680641 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1341952783 94480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I've heard of Red Dwarf before yesterday < 1341952792 292881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of Spaced until you mentioned it earlier < 1341952806 284216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen Hot Fuzz and/or Shaun of the Dead? < 1341952833 139122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of Shaun of the Dead. I think because of the Basic Instructions strip < 1341952863 66349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now starting Season 3 of Red Dwarf < 1341952896 25269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Hyperdrive because it features Miranda Hart: http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0481449/ < 1341952902 472797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you'd seen either I'd say it's that but in sitcom form and also even better, but otherwise it's really hard to describe. < 1341952936 617827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, was it any good factoring out Miranda Hart? < 1341952965 672586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because TbH I could just watch Miranda, considering it has a higher Hart:everyone else ratio, and also it has that lady from Mitchell and Webb. < 1341952989 123433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Miranda is also better < 1341953007 360401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is Red Dwarf still ongoing, the Facebook page said something about "Series X coming later this year!" < 1341953077 468793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was cancelled after going to shit, but I think Dave bought the rights and are trying to resurrect it. < 1341953101 2060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did a 3-part miniseries in 2009 which I haven't seen, although the one clip I have watched was funny < 1341953283 871880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me sgeo did you have a humorous misunderstanding at the use of 'dave' there < 1341953287 376900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i hope so < 1341953331 810844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I thought the character, but I assume an actual... person < 1341953338 12701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought the character at first < 1341953346 734094 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Changing host < 1341953346 932946 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1341953414 607586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny because i was actually talking about the tv channel < 1341953457 613951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah < 1341953470 860901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know there was a TV channel called Dave. < 1341953575 964435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over here we mostly call it "Top Gear and QI Channel" < 1341953592 649525 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1341953628 869875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :QI is nice < 1341953683 222896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dave certainly thinks so. < 1341953692 164849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the different H? < 1341953803 590684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you at series 3? They changed a lot of stuff round for series 3. < 1341953833 576827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They changed everything again for 6, and again during 8 (or so I hear). < 1341953855 919483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1341953860 411883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, QI? < 1341953866 750532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that stand for < 1341953872 115074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite Interesting < 1341953884 777018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah *googles* < 1341953904 800643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it stands for is irrelevant; it's a comedy quiz show. < 1341953921 745931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've googled using just QI, you know < 1341954055 211233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that gave me stuff about taoism in all the top ten hits < 1341954078 145537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait. the tenth is for some sort of software thingy < 1341954113 396471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you used swedish derp-google? < 1341954143 146749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, nope < 1341954151 805958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :says google.com and everything is in English < 1341954186 492936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, hits related to the tv show are number 1, 2, 5, 6 plus three video hits < 1341954187 209368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am logged into gmail, but since I don't usually google taoism or religion I'm not sure why it would customise it like that < 1341954212 382339 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on context you should be able to figure out that it was a tv show, and there are no other tv shows with that name afaik < 1341954248 627041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, maybe google customized the hits for me, since I happen to be logged in on gmail < 1341954313 278427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no google account and i got the tv show on norwegian google < 1341954502 783780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : says google.com and everything is in English < 1341954514 252120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google doesn't work that way, and I'm astonished you don't know that. < 1341954674 308688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 'seagull' refers to a lot of different birds. < 1341954700 804357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stormåse, gråmåse, svartbak... < 1341954724 30566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, stormåse = svartbak < 1341954761 160378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bird is a bird is a bird < 1341954773 445651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, actually stormåse can mean _both_ the others < 1341955042 550767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what the seagulls common in Edinburgh are. < 1341955053 703181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the swedish wikipedia and wonders what the difference between mås and trut is...
< 1341955062 885086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're both birds < 1341955084 217027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :trut is also slang for mouth < 1341955085 121835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest I can find on Wikipedia is the herring gull, but ISTR hearing or reading that it's closely related but not the same. < 1341955095 467519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i said _difference_. they're both må[sk]e in norwegian < 1341955121 991809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they are just herring gulls. < 1341955134 987495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not move all bird questions to #esoteric-birds? :) < 1341955158 488272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of the comedians in the Fringe once joked that Edinburgh seagulls are abnormally big and I've been trying to confirm this ever since.) < 1341955176 743321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why do you not like bird talk, < 1341955195 473238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what about fiskmås? < 1341955240 596512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's that I don't know anything about birds :) < 1341955243 550608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is "common gull" < 1341955245 469893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English < 1341955246 748748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1341955283 29598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and common gull is apparently also a name for a type of butterfly. < 1341955283 542202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1341955335 163951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Arterna inom denna kategori anlägger adult dräkt efter drygt tre år efter det att dom kläcks, dvs på deras fjärde levnadsår. Inom denna kategori finns alla trutarna." < 1341955389 618621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm I think that must be a typo < 1341955396 261531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that makes no sense < 1341955422 893418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from the swedish wikipedia? < 1341955429 673479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A5sar_och_trutar < 1341955490 108684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually it is accurate, första året : 0-1, andra året, 1-2, ..., fjärde året: 3-4 < 1341955503 599844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only mention i can find distinguishing them... they're very mixed up in the genus classification :P < 1341955540 975725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently adult is an actual ornithological term, and not just a very bad translation from english < 1341955554 593897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait "Generellt kan man säga att de mindre arterna kallas måsar och de större trutar" < 1341955565 172441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i was wondering about that too :P < 1341955568 125513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with a few exceptions? < 1341955578 47162 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me programming project. I'm bore < 1341955599 827984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, implement a JIT compiler for befunge-98 using LLVM before fizzie gets back working on his again < 1341955628 606501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341955628 805046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what about that? < 1341955636 838907 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-235.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1341955639 146689 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. something not involving LLVM would be nice < 1341955656 756548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, implement a JIT compiler for befunge-98 using by generating your own machine code before fizzie gets back working on his again < 1341955683 632610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, does that sound good to you? < 1341955696 416816 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better. what architecture? < 1341955710 216705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, which ones do you have access to? < 1341955721 846324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 32-bit x86 I presume, anything else? < 1341955724 137870 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86, m68k, 6502 < 1341955728 154767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, x86 < 1341955733 946198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have access to the other ones < 1341955741 667437 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bit or 32 bit? < 1341955750 960591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 32-bit, running under linux < 1341955762 686185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, as a user space program < 1341955764 435683 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not netbsd :P < 1341955766 539680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a kernel module < 1341955787 910510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, okay, if it runs with minimal modifications on multiple *nix for 32-bit x86 < 1341955789 694752 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not as self hosted OS? < 1341955804 48634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the differences aren't that large, are they? < 1341955819 261432 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and netbsd supports linux abi < 1341955846 30432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, because... hm. Because it is more useful to a larger group of people as an user space program < 1341955864 235597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume a tracing JIT would be the way to go < 1341955870 2785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what fizzie did at least < 1341955919 137192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1341956565 313682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back, and good night < 1341956631 41433 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. currently me thinks that compiling 1 row column at a time would be easier < 1341956637 703699 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or < 1341956820 636044 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341956828 658805 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1341956868 472138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1341956892 89211 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1341957533 715197 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1341957997 209643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is Holly completely gone? < 1341958168 953625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, if you mean man-Holly then yes. < 1341958192 661198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he comes back in series 8 but see every other time I've mentioned series 8. < 1341958275 646449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1341958916 135936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holograms don't produce heat and neither do androids" < 1341958932 926957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's roughly the opposite of hard science fiction but that still bothers me < 1341958939 634026 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1341958961 601056 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mksh ftw < 1341958976 488271 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only shell better than busybox ash < 1341959020 324613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you not like zsh :( < 1341959030 834594 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1341959058 466450 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much pain to configure < 1341959098 883290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but the pain turns to pleasure! < 1341959177 870660 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seemed kinda like emacs. it does multiple things and is pain to configure to work the way you want it to < 1341959254 90357 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heirloom shell is bit limeted but otherwise nice < 1341959286 884956 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I kinda like tab completition) < 1341959529 245318 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that there are people who love zsh but there are also people who love emacs so yeah < 1341959574 857003 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and sash is otherwise nice but lacks tab completition < 1341959796 875428 :kallisti!~eris@h167.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1341959995 317285 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sash -aqp $USER@$HOST"$ " makes trying to unfuck your system so much more pleasant < 1341960007 107496 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, accidentally saw a series 8 ending spoiler < 1341960036 700492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo you should have picked up by now that the show has minimal continuity. < 1341960277 945760 :kallisti!~eris@h207.12.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341960278 373762 :kallisti!~eris@h207.12.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1341960278 571899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1341960672 126628 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which show? < 1341961123 189265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t show < 1341961124 808341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Show a) => a -> String < 1341961388 794620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the show you mean? < 1341961878 360649 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-146.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1341961889 348430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-60.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1341963566 566998 :kwertii2!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1341963718 332592 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1341963718 570854 :kwertii2!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii NICK :kwertii < 1341964471 405503 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1341964494 567397 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric