< 1342310406 833501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw this
< 1342310420 401352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no application does aac tagging compatibly!
< 1342310421 337401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1342310432 931225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to transcode it to .ogg
< 1342310715 14169 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1342312308 218845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep the master copy of my music collection in a simple "artist/album/nn - track.ext" directory structure
< 1342312315 970997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because multi-container tagging is a pain
< 1342312345 77664 :kallisti!~eris@h79.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342312345 276788 :kallisti!~eris@h79.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1342312350 130920 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a script to transcode a subset of that to ogg vorbis and tag it, for my portable player
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< 1342312468 296427 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-174.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1342313612 26186 :invariable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1342313616 247689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Ogg containers?
< 1342313798 862844 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't?
< 1342314172 346656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like greens oggs and hogs
< 1342314178 88268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*green
< 1342314199 467310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Decompose type I have made up in Haskell?
< 1342314418 208164 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342314495 773686 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like them, o-er-jan
< 1342314553 371224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-74.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342314562 628489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-154-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1342314917 155811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like CodensityAsk (and CodensityAskT)? I have figured out many things about it.
< 1342315221 343326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CodensityAsk (Store s)) is also MonadPlus.
< 1342315277 665216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm on-board sucks so badly. I just compared it to my phone, my phone has way better bass than my desktop's onboard sound (using a pair of studio headphones in both cases). My SB Live beats both of course.
< 1342315334 654646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After edwardk told about F-algebras to make free monad and so on, I realized that making the free comonad from Maybe and from the Copeanoid class it is also a F-coalgebra for Maybe so it is the same thing.
< 1342315357 192634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I can already see that it is a non-empty list comonad in both cases, now I can see the similarity, too.
< 1342315732 490891 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1342315776 797384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, wow that went completely over my head
< 1342315793 835827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should learn more category theory I guess
< 1342316069 145922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO _HUNDRED_ THIRTEEN _THOUSAND_ ONE _HUNDRED_ FORTY_ FOUR
< 1342316086 212577 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's puzzle: come up with #defines so that that expression works as expected.
< 1342316100 791050 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first few seem easy enough:
< 1342316138 658636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ONE 1; #define TWO 2; #define FOUR 4; #define THIRTEEN 13; #define FORTY_ 40 +; #define _HUNDRED_ * 100 +
< 1342316153 261595 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard part is _THOUSAND_.
< 1342316195 423197 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the best I can think of is #define _THOUSAND_ ) * 1000 + (
< 1342316203 463074 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (TWO _HUNDRED_ THIRTEEN _THOUSAND_ ONE _HUNDRED_ FORTY_ FOUR) will work correctly.
< 1342316220 644601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1342316232 457550 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TWO 213144; #define _HUNDRED_ + 0; #define THIRTEEN + 0; ...
< 1342316249 91150 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I said "as expected".  That's not how I would expect it to work.
< 1342316255 700658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1342316260 568184 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't expect it to work at all
< 1342316280 476056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one may assume that an expression like TWO _HUNDRED_  alone should also work, then there are more problems...
< 1342316305 977848 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, there'd be a separate symbol, _HUNDRED, for that.
< 1342316311 856426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1342316339 965307 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342316343 153406 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<$ <$> <* <*> *>
< 1342316346 938071 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342316355 308815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well TWO and FOUR need to work alone, which means they cannot contain any unbalanced bracketing
< 1342316427 313139 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then FORTY_ must work next to FOUR, so it can't have unbalanced bracketing, either.
< 1342316435 784310 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342316442 897052 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can conclude the same for _HUNDRED_, then for _THOUSAND_, right?
< 1342316449 344479 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need some real trickery.
< 1342316454 407213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells me we need to use precedence to get the grouping correct, not brackets
< 1342316540 626975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be worth looking into more operators than + and *
< 1342316540 862810 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is C++ allowed? ;)
< 1342316556 562159 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand the problem statement
< 1342316559 749267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C preprocessor is supposed to be Turing-complete, isn't it?
< 1342316565 839689 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1342316570 860073 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's explicitly designed not to be.
< 1342316574 271452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean for it to work "as expected"
< 1342316574 815947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1342316580 420541 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp is turing complete if you allow a file to re-include itself
< 1342316584 313108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less?
< 1342316584 757461 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not.
< 1342316590 925713 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: make it so that the written-out form of any number evaluates to the correct number.
< 1342316591 139893 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had this debate a while ago, it's still not.
< 1342316592 462368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: C++ might make a lot of difference to C, since you can overload operators
< 1342316593 302496 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is, with a certain nonstandard feature
< 1342316601 194178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume implementations have limits on sizes of things
< 1342316603 632831 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp is designed to guarantee termination, no?
< 1342316606 966266 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: which feature?
< 1342316612 508417 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pragma push_macro
< 1342316614 229788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, it could be with nonstandard features, but even with no limit on inclusion depth, it's not TC.
< 1342316617 481510 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it to do recursive macros
< 1342316636 659864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it not turing complete if you allow re-inclusion
< 1342316637 803251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't simulate state changes and without that sort of special macro you can't do recursion.
< 1342316655 866982 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342316663 224646 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, sorry, you can't simulate unbounded memory.
< 1342316668 159789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1342316668 498947 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only do a finite number of states.
< 1342316674 787849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think we really need to know is this is supposed to work with just C...
< 1342316686 844506 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can't really define macros in terms of previously defined macros.
< 1342316688 76086 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that wouldn't really help here because there's no enclosing macro 
< 1342316693 982494 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems easy to do it with C++.  Just find some operators with the required precedence (you only need four) and overload them.
< 1342316713 669887 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually only need one
< 1342316728 757150 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's say it must be done in plain C.
< 1342316755 614143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were allowed to require that they be prefixed by some NUMBER_START macro it'd be easy >_>
< 1342316765 110402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, equivalently, suffixed.
< 1342316770 591009 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or both of course)
< 1342316773 59480 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define NUMBER_START ((; #define NUMBER_END ))
< 1342316778 85817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then my scheme works.
< 1342316785 25242 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's your scheme?
< 1342316823 928016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: struct numberthing { int value; struct numberthing (*add)(int v); struct numberthing (*mul)(int v); };
< 1342316839 439788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to be able to get the value back out at the end.
< 1342316994 917916 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342317053 637333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1342317076 997397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct numberwang
< 1342317080 278985 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1342317112 827343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK then learn
< 1342317127 280198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could look at Wikipedia article about F-algebra
< 1342317128 154055 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342317225 517230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about the 3[a] trick, can that help?
< 1342317285 752399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is browsing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_in_C_and_C%2B%2B#Operator_precedence
< 1342317292 966170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you brilliant, brilliant psychopath.
< 1342317317 818547 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is an array of size 1000, mapping x to 1000*x... oh wait, that operator's precedence is no more convenient than * though.
< 1342317318 376179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THANK YOU
< 1342317340 704707 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying
< 1342317365 43487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: except you can _combine_ it with a real + for the thousands?
< 1342317377 796205 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> TWO _HUNDRED_ THIRTEEN _THOUSAND_ ONE _HUNDRED_ FORTY_ FOUR
< 1342317377 994995 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> Today's puzzle: come up with #defines so that that expression works as expected.
< 1342317388 88319 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3[a] trick?
< 1342317402 810362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the problem is you still need something else to join the part after it...
< 1342317403 211363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's salvageable, I just haven't figured out how yet.
< 1342317410 882680 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: In C, a[3] and 3[a] are equivalent.
< 1342317416 714032 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1342317465 959675 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fake C facts blog
< 1342317466 273046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe EVERY op uses [], except that THOUSAND, MILLION etc use [...]+0
< 1342317501 275606 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except then you couldn't get both TWENTY_ TWO and TWO to work, at least not without _TWO being a thing.
< 1342317517 354111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise OR would have been nice if you tried doing this for binary :P
< 1342317523 760055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(|)
< 1342317524 600319 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I thought of that.
< 1342317524 849245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arrays in C actually contain one extra element at the end" is a commonly believed fake C fact
< 1342317528 970913 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if
< 1342317530 10532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that funny
< 1342317545 329731 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TWO (two)
< 1342317547 551268 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ditto all the other ones
< 1342317553 395665 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where two is a function that returns a function pointer, etc.
< 1342317553 594171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is there a reason you've chosen to underscore-attach things exactly like that? Can't have TWO_ _HUNDRED_ _THIRTEEN_ _THOUSAND_ _ONE_ _HUNDRED_ _FORTY_ _FOUR?
< 1342317582 963418 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: That was the gist of my struct solution (although yours is more elegant), but the problem is you need a suffix.
< 1342317583 482974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is a technically true fact slightly similar - it is not undefined behavior to increment a pointer to that address
< 1342317593 659948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you end up with a function pointer instead of data :(
< 1342317595 292574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dereferencing it still is
< 1342317597 283352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think it stems from that
< 1342317601 745579 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pointers automatically cast to integers :)
< 1342317605 985445 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1342317616 864316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the (two) function will just CONVENIENTLY be at location 0x2?
< 1342317631 378516 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably an error introduced when the C specification was translated from the original Aramaic
< 1342317635 351825 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, but it would detect when you've come to the end and give you (void *) result 
< 1342317649 85470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“detect”
< 1342317649 973988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1342317705 486990 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you basically have an interpreter
< 1342317728 194682 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that when you're finished is /exactly/ when you don't have an interpreter.
< 1342317740 13590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is that fact believed because you can say int x[5]; and then compare &x[0] to &x[5]?
< 1342317748 816718 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess it doesn't know what you end with
< 1342317751 406212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, oerjan said that.
< 1342317756 732914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or something similar.)
< 1342317797 79245 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind :)
< 1342317818 663006 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, you could still do it by conveniently locating functions in such a way, or trapping SIGSEGV or whatever)
< 1342317988 526299 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TWO +0<0?0:two()
< 1342318034 416345 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use global state
< 1342318051 342248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: i was just pondering combining , and =  :P
< 1342318067 849768 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh durr, , would be easier
< 1342318093 508491 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0,two()
< 1342318199 439937 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.uesp.net/dagger/dagbug.shtml
< 1342318209 279856 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, and they say modern Bethesda games are buggy.
< 1342318312 423460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: In JavaScript, (0,eval)(x) is very different from eval(x)
< 1342318352 28065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafun
< 1342318359 697504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's something in cpp about joining identifiers, which i only know exists
< 1342318367 920272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice
< 1342318373 952015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tokens, or whatever
< 1342318380 188924 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wait, how does that even work?
< 1342318398 982986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google javascript global eval
< 1342318403 31886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weblogs.java.net/blog/driscoll/archive/2009/09/08/eval-javascript-global-context
< 1342318403 247802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Eval JavaScript in a global context | Java.net
< 1342318406 491273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, (x,y) is a sequencing operation in C-likes.
< 1342318414 392094 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indirect eval is global eval.
< 1342318422 290966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so that scope-modifying evals are statically knowable.
< 1342318439 244405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1
< 1342318450 384138 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1342318553 951332 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, both < 3
< 1342318560 664966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1342318588 602856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c, are global variables and record fields in the same namespace?
< 1342318603 60766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there might be a way to use -> or .  ...
< 1342318641 121722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what people are trying to do here.
< 1342318688 322523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just vaguely pondering the TWO _HUNDRED_ THIRTEEN _THOUSAND_ ONE _HUNDRED_ FORTY_ FOUR problem
< 1342318746 913908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without actual global state, it seems hard to use anything lower precedence than +, but if something high could be used, _THOUSAND_ could be * 1000 +  if there was just
< 1342318760 655293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-if there was just
< 1342318972 392571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm FORTY_ TWO _HUNDRED  is not necessary to support, i assume.  which means _HUNDRED _could_ use the 3[a] trick for the left part
< 1342319004 735084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1342319014 283193 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with the [a] trick is making both FORTY_ TWO and TWO work.
< 1342319030 4677 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And FORTY_ TWO _THOUSAND, of course)
< 1342319065 486040 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I asked tswett whether a solution with more connectors would work, e.g. FORTY_ _TWO_ _THOUSAND.
< 1342319073 177889 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the [a] trick would give us everything we need.
< 1342319102 235583 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has the benefit that it'd be much easier to remember how to use it)
< 1342319131 334614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> or . trick could make FORTY_ TWO and TWO work assuming record fields are in a different namespace
< 1342319138 975266 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does C do when you give it a bunch of whitespace-separated digits, out of curiosity?
< 1342319153 802263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cry a lot.
< 1342319174 881354 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was my suffixing problem.
< 1342319184 706899 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can make it work like that, but need a suffix to get it back to a number.
< 1342319215 454291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or some initialized structures and variables, surely?
< 1342319218 732157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 base 8 which is 10 base 10 and you take away 3 that's 7
< 1342319221 127119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1342319242 904057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowchaf
< 1342319252 965115 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't see how having initialized structs and vars helps you avoid the suffix issue...
< 1342319256 89065 :Phosphenes!~Phosphene@blk-224-144-72.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342319268 928928 :Phosphenes!~Phosphene@blk-224-144-72.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric :"PHOSPHENES HAS LEFT THE CHANNEL"
< 1342319270 211498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheegan?
< 1342319279 931896 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, where were we.
< 1342319298 704431 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1342319303 46924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if you can have two be both a global variable set to 2 and a field name in your struct...
< 1342319303 792319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every word in that sentence starts with 'w'
< 1342319312 326661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or TWO, even
< 1342319312 538431 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, yeah, the idea is that each underscore represents the presence of an operator.
< 1342319365 781619 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ohh, I see your game… but you'd still end up with a . problem with the underscores as presented.
< 1342319376 328186 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: If I'm allowed to throw underscores everywhere, it becomes quite achievable.
< 1342319406 624181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my scheme, (FORTY_ _THOUSAND) would process to (40 + ) * 1000.
< 1342319431 741014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, except no, because _THOUSAND cannot suppress the trailing parenthesis.
< 1342319444 971068 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, (40 + ) * 1000 + (0).
< 1342319457 918003 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since FORTY_ is 40 +, whereas FORTY is 40.
< 1342319507 513808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define _HUNDRED_ [hArray] ->
< 1342319545 917864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ., whatever
< 1342319564 585150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never actually used -> he thinks
< 1342319604 273810 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma build the [a] trick version.
< 1342319634 52176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FORTY_ FORTY ->
< 1342319651 900031 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342319662 676005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1342319675 216878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work
< 1342319766 713681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int FORTY = 40
< 1342319793 11591 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342319828 350459 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEGATIVE_ B _PLUS_OR_MINUS_ THE_SQUARE_ROOT_OF_ THE_QUANTITY_ B _SQUARED _MINUS_ FOUR _TIMES_ A _TIMES_ C _ALL_OVER_ TWO _TIMES_ A
< 1342319833 421394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FORTY_ array_or_field_40
< 1342319845 575532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait no that was the problem
< 1342319854 914626 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1342319863 264979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting FORTY_ to work both with and without HUNDRED_ preceding
< 1342319904 34744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait no that's fine
< 1342319986 508104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit searching for C namespaces gives all those hits about how to do user-definable ones
< 1342320102 688658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett++
< 1342320120 820187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you can have a field and a variable of the same name
< 1342320123 816497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux does this all over
< 1342320140 92414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly you can have two fields of the same name.
< 1342320161 312540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1342320226 419058 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KbiF Tada
< 1342320257 121145 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format isn't exactly as tswett described, but is in fact much, much simpler.
< 1342320338 884185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what you wanted the +0 for
< 1342320468 319172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it would be unnecessary if I just required that the first word after THOUSAND or MILLION or whatnot not be prefixed.
< 1342320469 510337 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bleh.
< 1342320503 339888 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if you can pull some trick with ##
< 1342320523 592373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um hello it's already done I win guys.
< 1342320580 564215 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, it's ugly?
< 1342320594 338553 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires preinitialised tables?
< 1342320598 384902 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1342320674 122531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also possible to concatenate two numbers (or a number and a name, such as 1.5 and e3) into a number."
< 1342320682 875964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe...
< 1342320686 109614 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasty tasty token pasty
< 1342320716 850962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, it is an error if `##' appears at either end of a macro body. "
< 1342320720 191509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly.
< 1342320723 434883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is you only have token pasting within macros X_X
< 1342320728 311659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to expand to something consistent.
< 1342320742 883884 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'd have TWO##THIRTEEN##ONE##FORTY##FOUR, and then HUNDRED etc. would be noise keywords?
< 1342320758 463882 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: You couldn't even use that, because you can only paste tokens WITHIN macros.
< 1342320761 523092 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or #define HUNDRED 0 // for eg TWO##HUNDRED##FIVE == 205
< 1342320773 805248 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, ok that sucks
< 1342320800 325990 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what the hell is TWO THIRTEEN ONE FORTY FOUR
< 1342320809 349904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :213144.
< 1342320813 267789 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1342320815 997588 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... obviously
< 1342320820 313246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well for that you're just fucked in any system I think 8-D
< 1342320834 130544 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly 2131404.  But probably not.
< 1342320847 451162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if 213144 were a string of digits, I'd be likely to read it as "twenty-one thirty-one forty-four".
< 1342320861 389954 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that would want to be ONE##FOUR##FOUR
< 1342320865 210815 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we could)
< 1342320870 166507 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which we can't as Gregor notes)
< 1342320893 698096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY SYSTEM IS BEST SYSTEM AND YOU'RE ALL JUST JEALOUS
< 1342320895 887090 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why are we trying to do this?  Is someone trying to make C feel more COBOLish?
< 1342320900 415475 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1342320904 430786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: ask tswett 
< 1342320923 218400 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be esoteric.
< 1342320925 874246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, with my system you could eschew underscores for capitalization! FOUR becomes Four, _FOUR becomes four!
< 1342320926 72996 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Welsh television should have a show called Cobol y pwm
< 1342320951 282909 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's funny because they have one called Pobol y cwm, whatever that means)
< 1342320952 607671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fancy
< 1342321026 203123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People in the valley"
< 1342321036 306294 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the wonderful art of padlock folding or, "padlockigami"
< 1342321048 446214 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you are david mitchell AICMFP
< 1342321065 116806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1342321077 555199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google seems to think "Cobol" still means people when switching the letters
< 1342321082 262155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly nothing for pwm
< 1342321090 523299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ translate
< 1342321167 393679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i recall p initially in celtic languages only exists in loanwords, so they may be rare...
< 1342321172 299736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? they is his cousins!
< 1342321205 72043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, that they dropped initial p at some point
< 1342321268 944284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the only native word in norwegian starting with p is the preposition på (which is a contraction of norse upp á)
< 1342321272 328803 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1342321311 390384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess is cognate to upon
< 1342321333 623098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is the mosh object synchronization thing meant to be used on its own yet?
< 1342321342 392500 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/4258682 - THIS TOTALLY WORKS, I IMAGINE
< 1342321369 380794 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not exactly, but it is reasonably well abstracted in the mosh source code
< 1342321374 745146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to KeithW about it
< 1342321388 285977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the eventual plan, though, right?
< 1342321400 655343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plan" is a strong word
< 1342321401 129156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a most sublime imagination
< 1342321415 636017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'll actually be in Wales next week
< 1342321422 364444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something i should do there besides "take a train to London"?
< 1342321436 169258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-137-174.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1342321441 65857 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-205.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342321472 853287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: obviously you need to visit llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
< 1342321490 981668 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, i was planning to pick up some padlocks there
< 1342321494 253870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a store or smith
< 1342321509 514015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1342321512 884603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wat?)
< 1342321516 477101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kmc is now known as jonah
< 1342321530 898985 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Fcy70fhds
< 1342321566 160427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why youtube things i'm using IE 7
< 1342321570 206525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinks
< 1342321578 397108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using IE 7?
< 1342321582 487468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 8
< 1342321601 259028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and youtube is warning me to change since they'll stop supporting 7.
< 1342321617 977974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using IE 7 compatibility mode?
< 1342321635 145894 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By Abergavenny, Merther Tydfil, and Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!" said Mr. Bargain-Price.  "This is too much!"
< 1342321643 77866 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- who knows what that's from?
< 1342321664 302443 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow i thought you made that name up
< 1342321787 813168 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you couldn't /make/ something like that up
< 1342321793 49002 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1342321794 486665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes you could
< 1342321799 110403 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway it does seem like i will  go through there
< 1342321803 624978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's on  the rail line from holyhead
< 1342321831 269306 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: "The village's long name cannot be considered an authentic Welsh-language toponym. It was artificially contrived in the 1860s to bestow upon the station the honour of having the longest name of any railway station in Britain"
< 1342321870 255191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm no, although google+ likes to complain that i am :P
< 1342321911 835059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might be the same cause...
< 1342321917 876231 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342321931 244992 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure, but it wasn't "made up" per se, it's authentic welsh, even if not an authentic welsh name
< 1342321939 250299 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it really does mean something
< 1342321972 508870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1342322228 645002 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, Johnston Railway Sans... now there's a real corker of a font
< 1342322293 391552 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about dyddiadfymathoobellamaenarywbethygwaithanoddinierdigon
< 1342322366 432066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i pulled out of a markov chain just now
< 1342322838 959475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, YouTube watches YOU!!
< 1342322899 656442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is closer to an actual soviet russia joke than most
< 1342322968 83333 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342323224 283345 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, worn-out meme repeats YOU!!
< 1342323238 750557 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1342323275 862750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1342323312 418496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meme'd ones lack the part where the reversal has a comprehensible but different meaning which comments on life in the soviet union
< 1342323316 546249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the humor
< 1342323362 47782 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.  Although it's called humour
< 1342323374 349442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
< 1342323384 363992 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M OFFENSIVE AND I FIND THIS WELSH
< 1342323398 963126 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop choosing to be offended, you mexican jew lizard
< 1342323411 602009 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises an eyebrow
< 1342323429 992632 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Yes, actually. My mother was from Mexico and my dad was a Hebrew iguana, so...")
< 1342323509 493454 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("No, to be a jew your *mother* would have to be Hebrew, though it doesn't matter which one was the iguana.")
< 1342323523 531319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What are you quoting now?")
< 1342323538 335995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that depends who you ask, but yeah basically
< 1342323550 859084 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("I'm not, I'm just irrespectfully disagruntling.")
< 1342323712 467455 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1342323740 716455 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's your favourite font?
< 1342323769 317305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotsies.org </troll>
< 1342323897 978480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Computer Modern because it has so many parameters which can be varied. But even some things about Computer Modern are not perfectly; but the source-codes is available so you can make improvements (as long as you do not call the new one "Computer Modern"), such as a parameter for "R" with straight lines, and so on.
< 1342323907 179327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is _guessing_ that the warning he got against IE not working well on the site is why he doesn't see anything special there
< 1342323940 138833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on dotsies?
< 1342323944 765333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1342323953 410820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ that could be the joke, i guess
< 1342323973 93603 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is a joke :/
< 1342323994 414970 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a joke to me but i don't know if the author is in on it
< 1342324002 7849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.  because i only see a boring normal font.
< 1342324067 208336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dotsies is here.
< 1342324080 330453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's a bunch of dots
< 1342324085 290486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font is dots
< 1342324087 117147 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an alterative way of writing the latin alphabet where every letter is a 5-bit column of black or white dots
< 1342324098 497065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because human vision is just a grid of pixels right
< 1342324099 688543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well so is a boring normal font
< 1342324111 869831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the brain has dedicated hardware for recognizing lines, curves, corners, etc.
< 1342324132 340575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1342324142 128967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, this person clearly knows nothing about vision
< 1342324146 331116 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the pathetic amount i know
< 1342324152 589198 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is "i get stoned with neuroscientists occasionally"
< 1342324163 674661 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know, being a rails developer makes you an expert at every topic in the world
< 1342324187 199512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I... guess people could treat each word the way Chinese treat chinese words?
< 1342324193 471324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or glyphs or whatever
< 1342324196 916698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea
< 1342324203 667139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but encoding it as pixels is still stupid
< 1342324210 986209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :han characters have lines, curves, corners, etc.
< 1342324229 93052 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do joined arabic letters, hangul clusters, etc.
< 1342324324 833082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Caps and lowercase differ by a dot above the letter
< 1342324333 183173 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think that an attempt to revolutionize the latin alphabet should start with a thorough survey of other writing systems, preferably with psychophysical measurements from fluent users of each
< 1342324350 898888 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a thorough understanding of human visual processing
< 1342324430 823030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know, all that research is invalid because it was performed by non-programmers
< 1342324504 104594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rage
< 1342324753 27035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1342324772 487956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.:| ::. ..: |.|...
< 1342324786 797984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually meaning anything)
< 1342324953 673498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ccelian.com/concepca.html this is way cooler and also probably better
< 1342324999 771969 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and the dotsies guy didn't even put any thought into assigning better dot patterns to common letters
< 1342325020 433651 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has allegedly been working on this for 10 years
< 1342325075 3390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and braille already exists
< 1342325101 105237 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has real users who could tell you what's good and bad about it
< 1342325104 209981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's not at all like saying A = 65, 65 - 64 = 00001, 90 - 64 = 11010, then drawing the binary numbers as vertical stacks
< 1342325119 749947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a lot like that
< 1342325176 894980 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the binary counting sequence but it's another kind of regular binary sequence applied to the latin letters in order
< 1342325284 248415 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rage
< 1342325317 537899 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a fawning article in techcrunch too
< 1342325335 211562 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-205.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, dotsies looks like a *stupid* orthographic scheme.
< 1342325348 750478 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was invented by a rails developer from SF!!!
< 1342325454 692403 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Keep up the crazy innovation, Craig! It’s guys like you who aren’t afraid to push the status quo that make the world better for the rest of us."
< 1342325513 464214 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-205.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He managed to redesign the *least bad* part of English orthography, and didn't even make it that easy to figure out.
< 1342325607 16267 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342325637 682554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his design goals are absurd
< 1342325655 28958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones?
< 1342325693 868047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought you'd sympathize with this kind of crackpottery itidus21
< 1342325789 689896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tempting
< 1342325824 609811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have decided to try not to
< 1342325875 125872 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dotsies is optimized for reading." this isn't clear
< 1342325892 723002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that claim would be more credible if the author displayed any understanding of how reading works
< 1342325919 820580 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a ridiculous idea to try to improve the latin alphabet and make it more optimized for reading
< 1342325923 591544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not saying it's faster
< 1342325930 498271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just saying it's optimized
< 1342325933 248698 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-205.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading relies heavily on glyphs being distinctive.
< 1342325936 658160 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would want to start by knowing something about the field
< 1342325944 346172 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surveying what's already out there
< 1342325963 102052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aheegan.
< 1342325972 947748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this displays the classic crackpot attitude of "i'm so much smarter than everyone else that I don't need to understand what anyone else has done"
< 1342325990 692002 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's concerned with how much space is taken up by text
< 1342325991 394137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the classic programmer attitude of assuming you know how something works in people because you know how it works in computers
< 1342326009 230913 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that makes sense, the time to read something is proportional to how quickly you can move the fovea across it
< 1342326018 885682 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does seem to know about the fovea at least
< 1342326024 30029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whachaf?
< 1342326049 743688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342326189 337720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i like about this alphabet is that the long bits on letters like ldbh is that you can see them even in blurry text
< 1342326228 889227 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1342326246 366223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The Elian script there does look neat.
< 1342326454 343973 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i would have such a problem with dotsies if it was just "hey, i made this, isn't it kind of cool / weird, what do you think"
< 1342326467 322223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the author is so sure that it's better, and so, so ignorant of anything he would need to understand to make that claim
< 1342326606 834321 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't *know* that he's ignorant, but there are many things conspicuously absent from that page
< 1342326618 785931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think i have said everything i have to say on this subject
< 1342326624 640364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it pisses me off and so i'm disposed to keep talking
< 1342327013 645436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> plus the classic programmer attitude of assuming you know how something works in people because you know how it works in computers <-- technically humans are nothing more than neural networks. Complicated ones sure, but still just neural networks
< 1342327041 647705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1342327059 898789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are just atoms man
< 1342327064 29183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1342327068 354541 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so partical physicists are experts in psychology
< 1342327069 584845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and love
< 1342327074 163358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particle too
< 1342327075 876748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1342327093 83730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what was the actual topic though?
< 1342327142 375164 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actual topic
< 1342327176 602009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic from which the line I commented upon was taken
< 1342327183 467243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read a few lines above and below
< 1342327191 853412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :after getting back
< 1342327198 800764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not like programmers who develop artificial neural networks have much insight into how the ANN has learned what it knows
< 1342327202 651386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a black  box
< 1342327212 764063 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could scroll up
< 1342327216 655480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1342327225 920457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were talking about http://dotsies.org
< 1342327230 784440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can only really explain why ANN works for really simple ones
< 1342327311 97275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that there is centered text further down the page is an immediate warning that the guy doesn't know what he is talking about
< 1342327322 71457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not like ANNs have much to do with real neurons
< 1342327330 329461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to read the rest
< 1342327336 918686 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is centered text bad
< 1342327341 797091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, indeed, I was being ironic/sarcastic
< 1342327346 390825 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know
< 1342327352 92281 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just felt like enumerating all the ways it's wrong
< 1342327354 438905 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completeness you know
< 1342327355 919538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, it is harder to read, besides it is far too large
< 1342327363 505667 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342327367 629632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hard to read on this 15" screen due to being so large
< 1342327377 829081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1342327421 995164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I didn't allow javascript
< 1342327427 379880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning that on helped a bit
< 1342327446 96686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with the size
< 1342327463 618722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big centered text is supposed to be in the dotsies font
< 1342327471 107984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would also explain why you can't read it
< 1342327471 578065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't due to noscript
< 1342327492 940781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I did allow scripts it is no longer like 72 pt
< 1342327494 862946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good
< 1342327510 821526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but centered text like that is a terrible idea
< 1342327523 326870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of timecube
< 1342327533 644205 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1342327549 790634 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more than a few parallels you could draw
< 1342327563 9711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually timecube isn't even properly centered
< 1342327570 625111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is centered but not in the center of the screen
< 1342327572 803998 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he like insert spaces manually
< 1342327582 831504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the page is just too wide
< 1342327585 134749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this monitor
< 1342327588 590633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it scrolls sideways
< 1342327604 813027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm on a laptop
< 1342327821 176170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the maximally readable text is something generated by LaTeX with the microtype package btw
< 1342327834 48281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both margins straight
< 1342327837 46243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too wide lines
< 1342327862 570391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes microtype adjustments to make the text more pleasing to the eye
< 1342327981 136544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1342327984 275165 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not know about microtype
< 1342328079 387872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow to think all my previous latex documents had slightly ragged margins and suboptimal inter-word spacing
< 1342328085 174242 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deeply embarrassed
< 1342328113 320633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, :D
< 1342328140 422721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, actually they had straight margins, it is that slightly ragged margins look optically straighter!
< 1342328149 353246 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1342328172 911461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, needs pdftex, doesn't work with xelatex yet afaik
< 1342328176 335082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about luatecx
< 1342328177 934944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tex*
< 1342328306 12420 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Eh, most people won't notice.
< 1342328328 476807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have been accused of being some sort of freak for being able to actually consciously notice a lack of microtypography.
< 1342328336 859753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1342328354 402169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I would notice if I specifically set out to check, probably not otherwise
< 1342328397 78896 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex freak
< 1342328431 987471 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too hard.
< 1342328439 787560 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah!  You kids and your LaTeX!  Real men use TĒX!
< 1342328447 293881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, hey are you zzo38?
< 1342328461 770542 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I don't think so...
< 1342328465 464197 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38, am I you?
< 1342328476 615441 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, that should disturb us both!
< 1342328487 118905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inference suggests it's elliott.
< 1342328498 252780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I don't think you are me.
< 1342328499 734261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the mythical land of six pigs.
< 1342328513 437854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whois says otherwise.
< 1342328524 78972 :soundnfury!~edward@91.85.32.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can be, because iirc zzo38 likes Haskell.  I flatly refuse to have an alternate personality which likes Haskell.
< 1342328548 825166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? MORE LIKE STUPIDSKELL
< 1342328550 173198 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1342328608 198836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> Inference suggests it's elliott. <-- oh?
< 1342328616 309272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1342328622 436062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just seemed like a fairly elliott-y response is all.
< 1342328627 501712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1342328637 12059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest I don't think
< 1342328642 520557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he dislikes haskell
< 1342328644 757454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some documents may require different TeX executables such as tex, latex, pdftex, pdflatex, xelatex, xetex, etc some may work with more than one. My TeX documents I only ensure they work in Plain TeX using the "tex" executable everywhere; someone has told me one document they got from me doesn't work with pdftex.
< 1342328646 966075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is /NOT/ elliott
< 1342328650 387727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1342328691 126052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, that was your thing for documenting an RPG character's story and stats through a campaign.
< 1342328691 858502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interference suggests it's elliott
< 1342328712 993562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coinference
< 1342328716 734101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know why it doesn't work with pdftex but if you require PDF format you can convert DVI to PDF afterward and also with whatever other format you need, DVI to PostScript, DVI to PCL, DVI to PNG, etc.
< 1342328724 723913 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 likes haskell but had a pile of suggested changes to the language from day 1
< 1342328725 117741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, I think that was it.
< 1342328736 892995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know it was: I'm the one who told you. :P
< 1342328755 224598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes haskell but doesn't use it or think about it much anymore
< 1342328757 922953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Anyways, yeah, I just ran it through dvipdf.
< 1342328764 540455 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes me one of those people
< 1342328817 987915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: If your printer does not require PDF then you shouldn't require to convert it to PDF (unless you have a DVI previewer that has some problems and a PDF previewer which works better).
< 1342328975 579473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have still written some more of that RPG story since you saw last, possibly. And I have finally thought about all the plan ahead what to do in next session of this game.
< 1342329014 70744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you like some of the suggestions and hate some of the others? I think that was the case of some people. But I think not all of my ideas would work in Haskell therefore we have to make up the new programming language instead.
< 1342329110 374467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Well, that is OK if you hate Haskell. I like Haskell and I like mathematics, though.
< 1342329116 714047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i definitely liked some of them
< 1342329127 599133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :others seemed too weird for me to figure out if i liked them or not
< 1342329167 885965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just that, i haven't written much code recently, and i got tired of talking about haskell if i'm not writing much code
< 1342329177 160330 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still intend to use haskell in the future where appropriate
< 1342329203 344191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still do sometimes program in Haskell but I also program in C and so on. Yesterday I have written a 6502 assembly language program.
< 1342329223 9869 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, what for?
< 1342329237 692862 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the languages i use most are C, Haskell, and Python
< 1342329260 716836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shell script but I try not to write shell scripts with much in the way of "programming"
< 1342329267 738905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To test VRC7 audio by placing values in the register and then push START to send them, such as to make custom instrument so you can know what it sound like and adjust it until it is what you like.
< 1342329278 965258 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1342329342 109932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the program code:   http://sprunge.us/RDMj
< 1342329343 291958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Mostly just that I prefer to use a PDF viewer
< 1342329369 181309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i should do something with my shell / Python / brainfuck / COM / C / Haskell polyglot
< 1342329371 911778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, if that is what you prefer, then OK, I suppose
< 1342329385 174651 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the most impressive polyglot or the most comprehensive, but it's concise and i like it
< 1342329414 308113 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however posting it on my blog is a bit pointlessly showoffy even for me
< 1342329443 959880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is there something like tumblr for code"
< 1342329450 911524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instructions: LEFT/RIGHT move cursor, UP/DOWN adjust value, START to send values. Rightmost column labeled "A" means the "ST" column will be XOR by that value when START is pushed before the values are sent to the audio hardware.
< 1342329476 736136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, COM?
< 1342329479 924906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean COM
< 1342329486 708720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in .COM?
< 1342329487 492325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code is also a DOS COM file
< 1342329488 418199 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1342329491 863478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1342329496 201839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the program do?
< 1342329509 321004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints "Hello, shell!" or "Hello, Python!" etc.
< 1342329515 847547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1342329530 196684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty pleased with these lines:
< 1342329530 434513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf="#%s"
< 1342329530 719300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec printf %"sHello, shell!\n"
< 1342329530 923993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "Hello, Python!"
< 1342329582 247536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponders about a conditional text file, where command line parameters are passed along with the textfile to read a particular subset of that text file based on those parameters
< 1342329583 121278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about VRC7 audio?
< 1342329592 627805 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not
< 1342329602 236598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you could do that with C preprocessor
< 1342329632 740169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is using OPLL but with only six channels and the built-in instruments are different. You can only define one custom instrument at a time although it can be played on multiple channels at once.
< 1342329668 933117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Perhaps use a shebang line mentioning grep?
< 1342329688 717382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it does sound like grep
< 1342329706 103398 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds more like CPP with -D parameters to me
< 1342329710 969701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are plenty of ways to skin this cat
< 1342329750 216018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to make it an AVR binary as well, but all the interesting AVR instructions contain non-ASCII characters :/
< 1342329761 785971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when interpreted as, err, Latin-1
< 1342329778 634071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean to say is, they contain bytes above 0x7F
< 1342329807 465995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you include Z80 or 6502 codes?
< 1342329861 514498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1342329870 142765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would have to pick a particular platform
< 1342329887 724787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's going to display text
< 1342329894 673517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1342329918 205570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say "DOS .COM file" because as 8086 machine code it uses DOS INT 21h calls
< 1342329930 327879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are other platforms that provide those calls, i think COMBOOT might even
< 1342329960 565713 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for AVR i would probably just blink the LED on the Arduino, that being the Hello World of that particular platform
< 1342329963 588490 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't even do that i think
< 1342330068 865467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you make a PRG ROM (only) of NES/Famicom that writes the text to the name table assuming the CHR ROM 0 is ASCII?
< 1342330152 692375 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Atari 2600 >:D
< 1342330163 328408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do that too.
< 1342330198 874133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name table?
< 1342330274 173783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Name table is the grid of the tiles to display on the background. (I don't know why it is called a name table)
< 1342330945 14596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever make up a puzzle game of Pokemon Card?
< 1342330952 649279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or of Magic: the Gathering?
< 1342331204 379313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nes graphics has a peculiar charm about it.
< 1342331874 470455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Have you ever made any NES game?
< 1342331885 81619 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1342331909 755938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge make an interesting C/C++ polygot.
< 1342331928 850259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a polygot in general for that case is of course trivial, but how do you make an interesting one
< 1342331931 282704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I have just written one program for NES/Famicom which is used to test the VRC7 audio.
< 1342331938 502915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted the source-codes of that program above.
< 1342332001 319104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who of you have and have not figure out my Pokemon Card puzzle?
< 1342332006 296983 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, character literals such as 'a' are of type int in C and of type char in C++, which means that sizeof 'a' will generally give different results in the two languages"
< 1342332030 90094 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_of_C_and_C%2B%2B#Constructs_that_behave_differently_in_C_and_C.2B.2B
< 1342332061 252736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has another interesting example where a local struct declaration shadows a global variable
< 1342332082 954866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, that is one way to test the difference of C/C++ at runtime, although normally you would test this at compile-time instead.
< 1342332111 941060 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Vorpal just asked for an interesting one
< 1342332159 577131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, can you make something that's valid C and also valid Objective C, and does different things in each language
< 1342332167 695834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think interesting is using c++ keywords not in c
< 1342332168 117327 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using the preprocessor define explicitly designated for this purpose
< 1342332193 655938 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im kinda dumb!
< 1342332199 145237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Objective C is a strict superset of C.
< 1342332213 56566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I thought for C vs C++ you could also maybe use the fact that iso646.h is (basically) implicitly included in C++
< 1342332219 638276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1342332221 706989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that if it is a valid C code, then it will mean the same thing in Objective C, as far as I know.
< 1342332235 563626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I was thinking syntax that would be interpreted differently
< 1342332237 279690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any
< 1342332302 840249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For certain implementations it still may be possible to test Objective C at runtime in a different way.
< 1342332578 291440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my Pokemon Card puzzles?
< 1342332593 522483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one involving the IMAKUNI? card.
< 1342332654 490338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you can make a <100% win Pokemon Card puzzle, a helpmate Pokemon Card puzzle, etc.
< 1342332757 281409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These ones are both 100% win normal mode (not helpmate or anything else like that):  http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1  http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.2
< 1342332787 999658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However in both games you have to win on the current turn.
< 1342332997 648943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might think to activate CHARMANDER [Lv12], play DARK CHARMELEON [Lv23] on CHARMANDER [Lv12], and then use the FIRE BALL attack, but that won't work, because you don't have enough energy and even if you do it only gives you a 50% chance.
< 1342333129 894362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in Pokemon Card, I played an evolution card for the sole purpose of increasing my own retreat cost. Its attacks and the number of its hitpoints were irrelevant at that time.
< 1342333142 74179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "a".
< 1342333143 234010 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97 97
< 1342333148 455333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1342333156 717153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "+".@
< 1342333157 277451 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :43
< 1342333161 57006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only once. Have you ever done anything like that?
< 1342333437 72339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
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< 1342333873 41172 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had pokemon blue in about 1998
< 1342334072 664947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did you have Pokemon Card?
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< 1342334104 588503 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
< 1342334119 131638 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1342334162 767190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never actually played a card game like yugioh, pokemon card, magic the gathering, etc
< 1342334182 201163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played all of those games.
< 1342334286 502035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know rules of any of those game? Can you make up any Pokemon Card puzzle?
< 1342334559 399801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what pikachu looks like!
< 1342334562 78064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that to make a noisy audio filter you have a minimum and maximum change between two frames and then if it is not within that range change it to that range and then try next one.
< 1342334572 918447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That isn't good enough.
< 1342334614 487245 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342334623 856255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has thundershock attack and can evolve into raichu
< 1342334630 613216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats about all i know about him
< 1342334698 751509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is correct but not much use.
< 1342334930 669216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes for a good drinking game. "1 drink every time pikachu uses thundershock"
< 1342334955 541470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 drink every time brock's pokemon attacks him"
< 1342334974 415124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is the TV drinking game.
< 1342334979 195864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer card game.
< 1342334983 436728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it up
< 1342335077 569075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am interested in dragonball z card games because there are NES/Famicom dragonball z card games
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< 1342335091 246146 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it interests me that i should study it one day
< 1342335180 750939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1342335391 96437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if they are real card games though
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< 1342336328 671678 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka
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< 1342337026 729629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:21 <SoupEvil> html is like php, it wasnt designed for todays usage
< 1342337029 529386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22 <SoupEvil> its like pure C, you can programm object orientated, but it is not designed for it
< 1342337219 402782 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342337514 520436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear, hear
< 1342337516 551958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1
< 1342337527 435836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1342337741 908196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm not surprised.
< 1342337792 747332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedeia page for hear, hear links to "+1" and "me too" thus artificially inflating my enthusiasm
< 1342337926 227652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you a cryptography expert?
< 1342337933 955380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe
< 1342338031 555990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1342338285 934072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><head><title>...</title></head><body bgcolor="#ffffff"><h1>#include <stdio.h><br/>main(){printf("Hello, world!\n");}</h1></body></html>
< 1342338297 260139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close but so far
< 1342341228 171066 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Allow me to help: remove html, head, and body.
< 1342341535 223083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342341692 251731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1342341699 178418 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1342341702 829250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after I removed html, there is no body? :(
< 1342342158 374162 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342342479 122457 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1342345295 91829 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. reading mccarthy's original paper of lisp I hardly recognise that language as lisp
< 1342346070 689766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know lisp
< 1342346087 807429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I saw lisp at a party, I wouldn't recognize it
< 1342346117 924678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Sto s = CodensityAsk (Store s); getSto = CodensityAsk (\(StoreT _ s) r -> r s); setSto x = CodensityAsk (\(StoreT (Identity f) _) _ -> f x); modSto x = CodensityAsk (\(StoreT (Identity f) s) _ -> f (x s)); runSto s (CodensityAsk f) = f (store Left s) Right;
< 1342346160 362292 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of the few people who actually sees programming languages at parties, while sober
< 1342346171 808183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We even have:  modSto f = getSto >>= setSto . f   modSto f <|> modSto g = modSto (g . f)
< 1342346172 479007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't when drunk? Maybe I should investigate
< 1342346199 357445 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see programming alanguages at parties?
< 1342346213 44891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get tired and microsleep
< 1342346223 637115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dream about programming languages?
< 1342346231 633402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore   empty = modSto id
< 1342346344 555327 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how would you not recognize lisp? (define append (lambda (x y) (if (null? x) y (cons (car x) (append (cdr x) y))))
< 1342346456 135062 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define map (lambda (f s) (if (null? s) s (cons (f (car s)) (map f (cdr s))))))
< 1342346495 844779 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, I'm normally pretty much asleep
< 1342346624 267266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, Data.FamilyTree.addPerson is the wrong way round for State
< 1342347234 957083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-158.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away
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< 1342352896 602809 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@217.66.185.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342353375 936613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to describe one idea of computation as, for every finite expression X in some given language A there is a finite set of primitive operations that will result in finite expression Y in some given language A?
< 1342353974 699005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard
< 1342354155 923050 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@217.66.185.128 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]
< 1342354410 719070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a boxer supposed to try to get his opponent to punch himself out?
< 1342354747 293229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My brother doesn't know either.)
< 1342355404 966537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making him exhausted?
< 1342355419 740716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.
< 1342355439 890475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both punch at the same time
< 1342355454 551078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the punch deflects the punch of the opponent so that he hits himself in the face
< 1342355458 46633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1342355459 105579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both punch at the same time
< 1342355485 477598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you punch so hard that you push his hand back into his face
< 1342355595 353419 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1342356165 811183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a secret menu in X-BIT
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< 1342357416 521039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1342364065 755708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In US schools get paid according to how well their students perform in national wide standardized tests?
< 1342364084 782408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1342364095 592589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have figured out what (Codensity ((,) x)) does
< 1342364096 155135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wb Taneb 
< 1342364116 34949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, wouldn't be a vicious cycle in poorly performing schools?
< 1342364206 877830 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but supporting every school equaly is socialism!!!!!!!!!!11111111111
< 1342364207 680796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean "wouldn't that be"?
< 1342364216 386866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yes
< 1342364221 197204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so to me, yes.
< 1342364227 915537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even sounds stupid to me.
< 1342364233 721461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be like a quadratic thingy
< 1342364283 138264 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But asymmetric?
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< 1342364424 8401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you think I should change Data.FamilyTree.addPerson etc from FamilyTree -> (FamilyTree, PersonID) to FamilyTree -> (PersonID, FamilyTree) so it works nicer with StateT?
< 1342364470 828329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t StateT
< 1342364472 594159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s (m :: * -> *) a. (s -> m (a, s)) -> StateT s m a
< 1342364508 64798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let addPerson = undefined :: a -> (b, a) in StateT (arr addPerson)
< 1342364509 642863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: s = (a, s)
< 1342364509 841741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: s
< 1342364509 841944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Inferred type: (a, s)
< 1342364544 824495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let addPerson = undefined :: a -> (b, a) in state addPerson
< 1342364546 473835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a. State s a
< 1342364576 975361 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t arr id `asTypeOf` return
< 1342364578 403568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = m b
< 1342364578 602515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: b -> b
< 1342364578 602719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Inferred type: b -> m b
< 1342364584 754437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t arr
< 1342364586 443340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b c (a :: * -> * -> *). (Arrow a) => (b -> c) -> a b c
< 1342364624 444956 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1342364629 734259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1342364636 284050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t arr id `asTypeOf` Kleisli return
< 1342364637 801821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => Kleisli m b b
< 1342364649 719714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let addPerson = undefined :: a -> (b, a) in StateT (runKleisli $ arr addPerson)
< 1342364651 210419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => StateT a m b
< 1342364780 947441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I do that, I can't use IORefs as easily
< 1342364852 748986 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle atomicModifyIORef
< 1342364853 376449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IORef atomicModifyIORef :: IORef a -> (a -> (a, b)) -> IO b
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< 1342366867 400817 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomicModifyIORef is nice
< 1342366962 807034 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a cool use of laziness -- a strict atomicModifyIORef would have to use heavier-weight synchronization
< 1342367029 479724 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ, atomicModifyMutVar# :: MutVar# s a -> (a -> b) -> State# s -> (#State# s, c#)
< 1342367104 888248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, either I can make using State easy, or I can make using IORefs easy
< 1342367130 48086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make some kind of horrible typeclass which accommodates both
< 1342367138 963563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they're equally bad to use
< 1342367142 425380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT IO?
< 1342367235 3519 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the only difference between them is that the tuple is the other way round
< 1342367246 302829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think OK change it to work with StateT if you are making a new major version of that package anyways.
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< 1342367601 753293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to this IORefs etc, instead do not change it, but perhaps make up another module Data.FamilyTree.State which export the function with output in other order, that way you have compatibility too.
< 1342367808 221915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I need compatibility
< 1342367815 877774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think roughly 0 people use it
< 1342368360 425438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type (Codensity ((->) x)) is also a state monad like (State x) and the function to access the state is simply (Codensity join).
< 1342368408 664186 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: StateT IO isn't a typeclass... I'm not sure what you're getting at
< 1342368424 708788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it was a not-serious bad suggestion
< 1342368469 73527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1342368490 425147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (StateT IO) is not even a valid type.
< 1342368504 513527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1342368510 920101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1342368580 965932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you want (StateT FamilyTree IO) or (StateT (ExtProd Globals) IO) or something like that
< 1342368599 735936 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former, most likely
< 1342368605 849714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
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< 1342370567 878490 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-85-36.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342370771 999477 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1342370772 197909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342370857 11289 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pung
< 1342370857 487737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342370862 711136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prng
< 1342370863 358727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342370867 125693 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding
< 1342370867 849052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342371043 967413 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pine
< 1342371044 643387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342371059 359667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@piog
< 1342371059 872025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342371520 726732 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prme
< 1342371520 963058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: free time
< 1342371545 807373 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pzzz
< 1342371546 42550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1342373547 532265 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342373550 616271 :oggmm!~nask@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342373628 445964 :oggmm!~nask@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1342373822 253777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should add a "Handy re-exports" section in Data.FamilyTree
< 1342373922 105291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Lens.[Strict/Lazy], Data.Lens.[Strict/Lazy].fromList (maybe), Data.Time.Calendar?
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< 1342375486 570873 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1342375507 986368 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1342375858 524582 :nortti_!~chatzilla@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342375860 839182 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342375885 487641 :nortti_!~chatzilla@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using netscape to irc
< 1342375923 501987 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutscrape exploder
< 1342375942 383620 :nortti_!~chatzilla@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. netscape 7.2
< 1342375973 134981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1342376073 880879 :nortti_!~chatzilla@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually pretty decent browser
< 1342376236 15168 :nortti_!~chatzilla@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.2/20040804]
< 1342376587 102048 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was decent 10 years ago
< 1342376605 562958 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is around the same age as ff 1
< 1342376619 654477 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still decent browser
< 1342376637 326136 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compared to links2 at least)
< 1342376638 845106 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i began using ff since version 0.7 and i know mozilla too
< 1342376658 118927 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called firebird at version 0.7
< 1342376658 444755 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1342376671 351684 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I have also used it
< 1342376673 333155 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were decent back then
< 1342376707 749519 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when does browser stop being decent?
< 1342376711 743884 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the machine is not antique, then i always upgrade
< 1342376738 360005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342376741 851604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1342376777 432275 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i see no advantage with firefox these days.. other than it's not chrome
< 1342376799 206137 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browser do you use then?
< 1342376808 902687 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera
< 1342376824 913877 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera? has it got html5?
< 1342376832 462806 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1342376840 2375 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know opera. I have used it)
< 1342376850 229388 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when?
< 1342376880 432840 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know.. since recently
< 1342376881 43764 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't html 5 also something recent?
< 1342376906 291481 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. what codecs does it support with html5 video?
< 1342376921 541211 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know.. i never ran into codec problems with it
< 1342376928 463143 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :supports everything i need
< 1342376944 582283 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think it's just WebM.
< 1342376954 635627 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't need, i don't just care about
< 1342376957 484207 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. is it still available for ppc macs?
< 1342376969 399967 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmno
< 1342376974 185725 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the recent versions
< 1342376994 667195 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, nortti .. you have an antique machine
< 1342377007 746164 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame. I remeber it being kinda lightweight
< 1342377009 598628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342377027 934849 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the g3 is going to be upgrade for me
< 1342377030 198143 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is antique.. the last version for it was opera 8 or 9
< 1342377041 763179 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :now opera is at v 12
< 1342377066 553203 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one for PPC Mac OS X was Opera 10.
< 1342377070 391827 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is not antique. it is not that old either
< 1342377114 65998 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my iBook might be but some ppc machines are just 7 years old
< 1342377132 652917 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*7*.
< 1342377156 887967 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? my current machine is 12 years old
< 1342377174 46654 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/everything-you-need-to-know-about-html5-video-and-audio/
< 1342377180 275704 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera 10 supported html 5
< 1342377208 668610 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, yes, gramps, *you* use something from a different geological era.
< 1342377223 67953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers haven't improved *that* much in the past 7 years
< 1342377223 336616 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is jurassic
< 1342377226 242004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not compared to the 7 years prior
< 1342377229 961374 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: well if newest version is not available I'm not going to bother. tenfourfox is still updated
< 1342377250 87703 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A 12 year old machine, on the other hand, predates XP.
< 1342377274 776059 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1342377315 923840 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-xp means antique
< 1342377330 388130 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: *So*, the average phone is a more capable device.
< 1342377336 419545 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1342377372 676554 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking about browsers, i like lynx best
< 1342377386 972649 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still program, irc, get new software, surf internet and play video
< 1342377399 455903 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: I prefer links2 with graphics
< 1342377407 914565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My oldest machine is only 11 years old
< 1342377418 334444 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graphics does it have? nortti 
< 1342377421 496977 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs Windows 98 SE for reasons I know not why
< 1342377444 932394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And you pay more in power for the privelege of using such an old machine than you would just *getting a new one*.
< 1342377456 780796 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: images. it runs on framebuffer, x, windows and dos
< 1342377481 847635 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also know about the experimental ob1 with basic graphics.. its encoding sucks
< 1342377491 64556 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is a laptop. and as I said I am getting a new one
< 1342377495 110908 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you go for a low power usage machine, rather than a computing behemoth)
< 1342377515 324961 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :the encoding has to work.. my language must look good
< 1342377518 768001 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: ob1?
< 1342377559 222041 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://offbyone.com/offbyone/
< 1342377618 312868 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 seems bit more modern but on the other hand ob1 has tabs
< 1342377669 223326 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it is not available for linux
< 1342377708 760576 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked ob1 more when it had no tabs
< 1342377724 483825 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1342377742 392286 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its interface is otherwise built that way
< 1342377759 858673 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tabs are pointless there
< 1342377771 540265 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, tabs always made sense in opera
< 1342377801 142360 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs are halfway there in firefox/mozilla, but they make total sense in opera
< 1342377806 133853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No linux port :(
< 1342377810 274155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else I'd bought it.
< 1342377826 882302 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's free
< 1342377836 458329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1342377865 75924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant another meaning of "buy" ;)
< 1342377907 819795 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in?
< 1342377934 609893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O HTML 3.2
< 1342377946 13239 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1342377956 92837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I installing it
< 1342377964 979711 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1342377969 877334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because it rocks.
< 1342377977 823176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML 3.2 is like the real HTML ;)
< 1342378017 649894 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like? it _is_ THE real HTML
< 1342378058 802950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old believers itt
< 1342378124 750498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think because even Chrome is a memory hog these days
< 1342378136 123500 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :use links2
< 1342378154 575494 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bit more modern that ob1
< 1342378165 428063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O CSS on fark.com isn't working
< 1342378210 396308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It..... doesn't redirect on 302
< 1342378216 440185 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have css support?
< 1342378218 97860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try going to minecraftwiki.com
< 1342378229 225302 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it ob1?
< 1342378248 343256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1342378261 441202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not .com
< 1342378641 711845 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ob1 can't load gmail. it sucks
< 1342378774 783199 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: take a look at netsurf
< 1342378795 365707 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you might like it. or if you need javascript try hv3
< 1342379166 530239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1342379167 9274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1342379263 945298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1342379625 91852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mumble mumble bitch and grumble
< 1342379637 571239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is feeling shakespearean there
< 1342379649 824052 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1342379711 477530 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-121.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1342379840 455683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :website crash and project stumble
< 1342379856 1306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ not actually based on a current event
< 1342379888 913269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then who was stumble if not project?
< 1342379914 341430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's not exactly english, but then again I didn't really mean it to be
< 1342379993 710198 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHO WAS PHONE?
< 1342380002 584553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vem var stumblan om inte project?
< 1342380020 400677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "stublan"? What?
< 1342380021 845188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/english/swedish/)
< 1342380028 203018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err "stumblan"?
< 1342380040 391519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know what stumble is in swedish
< 1342380049 281775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vem var snubbla
< 1342380052 311711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1342380058 440889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah better
< 1342380063 142858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :snoo blah
< 1342380074 622998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also "projekt"
< 1342380090 605895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1342380099 117888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's just spelling, no-one cares about that anymore :P
< 1342380104 540474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know the precise rules of how swedish adapts orthography, either :P
< 1342380141 116264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no:prosjekt, but i somehow didn't feel that would be correct in swedish)
< 1342380147 340994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verb project would be projicera
< 1342380172 647168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well it was the noun from the start
< 1342380200 833286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sj" is almost always wrong in swedish
< 1342380268 816976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but swedish is deprecated anyway, you should just use english nowadays
< 1342380273 880616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjuttiosju sjösjuka sjömenn etc.
< 1342380336 793052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sjuttiosju sköna sjuksköterskor skötte sju sjösjuka sjömän på skeppet shanghai"
< 1342380346 389235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of nurses per sailor
< 1342380359 445741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably a porn flick
< 1342380423 684568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely thought the numbers were the other way around
< 1342380460 107033 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342380507 265743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjuttiosju sjösjuka gives a lot of variation in the google hits
< 1342380520 822726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whence"?
< 1342380537 251746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thence.
< 1342380542 884213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they still use that?
< 1342380549 773478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been practicing the sje sound lately.  no idea if a swede would approve of the result.
< 1342380558 571412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet stephen fry uses whence a lot
< 1342380580 949223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :him and Tolkien
< 1342380633 103757 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the shortest way to dereference a null pointer in C?  *((void*)0)?
< 1342380644 806708 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, *0 won't work.
< 1342380657 871738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saw a reddit novelty user downvotes_whilst yesterday, he got soundly downvoted himself
< 1342380683 30840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(void*)0 saves a pair of parens
< 1342380689 11605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilst being explained that the word is still commonly used outside the us
< 1342380734 141249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a pointer typedef somewhere that is shorter than five letters, or a global pointer that is null, that might be shorter
< 1342380758 560151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/downvotes_whilst
< 1342380864 544112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: will *(int*)0 work?
< 1342380884 589363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :other alternatives would be *NULL, or in C++ *nullptr (if I remember the name correctly)
< 1342380924 846123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NULL looks like a win
< 1342380985 834312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a single letter typedef won't beat that
< 1342381033 626522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might also be cheating
< 1342381061 870508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know precisely why *NULL would work if *0 doesn't
< 1342381134 304130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, NULL is usually a macro defined to something like (void*)0
< 1342381206 287806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, _can_ you derefence a (void*) pointer without recasting it first?
< 1342381262 197679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/third-whistle-blower-confirms-obamas-participation-in-cia-jump-room-program-of-early-1980s.html
< 1342381497 708987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan has been practicing the sje sound lately.  no idea if a swede would approve of the result. <-- why would you need that sound?
< 1342381506 16064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I thought some dialects of Norwegian had it
< 1342381527 849487 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :The Unicode smackdown channel | Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), Gregor (ex pony), olsner (k ex), ion (deus ex), shachaf (ex machina), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1342381529 354112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when singing swedish sounds, of course :P
< 1342381532 77762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*songs
< 1342381546 70807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can dereference a void* if the compiler lets you, maybe it silently makes it a char pointer in order for the expression to have a value?
< 1342381600 716400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, llvm has no void type, and you need to use something like i8* instead
< 1342381644 159828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you add yourself (ex pony) to the guilt list?
< 1342381651 223632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/ansi/voidparith.html isn't quite the same...
< 1342381653 473137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> What's the shortest way to dereference a null pointer in C?  *((void*)0)? <-- if you have stdef.h, stdlib.h or any other header that includes NULL somehow, I think *NULL might be shorter.
< 1342381691 417897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you sing Swedish songs?
< 1342381693 465709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth
< 1342381698 51187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we concluded that *NULL was most likely not valid just moments ago
< 1342381702 467831 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, though I was originally “ex post facto”
< 1342381705 201878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes I saw that after
< 1342381714 195622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, ex pony is much funnier
< 1342381719 938265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I did a elliott and didn't read the whole log before responding
< 1342381724 289756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings in the shower when no one else is around
< 1342381736 283224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Swedish songs specifically?
< 1342381749 952106 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1342381752 379059 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when someone else is around in the shower, he does… /other/ things.
< 1342381754 460017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them yes.
< 1342381775 876260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *around in the basement
< 1342381779 560481 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which swedish songs would that be?
< 1342381783 929837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why some people sing in showers, I thought that was a myth in general
< 1342381812 842007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bathroom is usually the room with the best acoustics, that's why
< 1342381827 474697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbs
< 1342381829 246925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I sing in the shower.
< 1342381832 769789 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also sing when I drive.
< 1342381843 685065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan
< 1342381851 719388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holsner, Horpal
< 1342381860 288105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to sing Le Cantique de Noël (in swedish) in the shower
< 1342381886 133619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of vreeswijk [sp?] or taube, for example.  now if i just remembered the text
< 1342381912 161438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah helga natt i _definitely_ sing in swedish.  know all the text too.
< 1342381924 977580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in norwegian?
< 1342381943 199812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nope!
< 1342381966 708785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes sing a little of it in french, after i learned that's the original.
< 1342381991 667931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jussi björling all the way, man
< 1342382051 288049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjGnanUrZjA
< 1342382134 950999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> also I thought some dialects of Norwegian had it <-- if so i haven't heard of it
< 1342382495 992947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did you come up with this idea of singing swedish songs?
< 1342382525 754506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my father has been a big taube fan for ages
< 1342382632 972920 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I sing in the shower because nobody can hear me.
< 1342382645 212798 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *just* realized how sad that is.
< 1342382699 73707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also much swedish music is just part of norwegian culture.  it's traditional.
< 1342382789 380137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i sing norwegian and english songs too, of course.  oh and i think i sang hava nagila earlier today :P)
< 1342382854 236872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chorus to kharoun kharoun, which i remembered the melody of for ages but only recently learned was armenian
< 1342382884 308633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, hava nagila, I recognize that name
< 1342382902 654783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's hebrew
< 1342382936 853863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, must be from some psytrance thing I recognize it then
< 1342382937 545810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall we learned several hebrew songs back in primary school
< 1342382956 835906 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb" has a hebrew etymology, but it's largely accidental
< 1342383355 494378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDBnGaB-iKk apparently
< 1342383520 295918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: agh! (closes after 20 seconds)
< 1342383535 790741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/me closes
< 1342383556 664300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was painful XP
< 1342383850 553636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan :D
< 1342383881 100889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, an oerjan/olsner discussion. (It's so problematical nickwise.)
< 1342383882 301548 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342383919 477422 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :while( x --> 0 ) // x goes to 0
< 1342383974 875710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they're in some kind of deep-sea "high" speed "car" (submersible) chase
< 1342383997 326774 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342384005 287949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaict they already dropped the nuke somewhere on the sea floor, so I can't tell why they're doing this
< 1342384026 560047 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you watching something?
< 1342384053 461916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just making this up
< 1342384117 676664 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1342384134 733120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> (i sing norwegian and english songs too, of course.  oh and i think i sang hava nagila earlier today :P) <-- nagila being?
< 1342384152 798931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it will be explained a few lines after that one
< 1342384173 841835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1342384175 700111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it
< 1342384196 402420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Oh no, an oerjan/olsner discussion. (It's so problematical nickwise.) <-- indeed
< 1342384218 755262 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than oklopol/oklofok
< 1342384249 927416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> but afaict they already dropped the nuke somewhere on the sea floor, so I can't tell why they're doing this <-- who? what?
< 1342384258 796561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, explained a bit below
< 1342384265 919301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they, the nuke
< 1342384283 431191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what are you actually watching? Or are you making the thing up as you said?
< 1342384307 454775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I missed the part where they explain why they took the nuke in the first place, it's not like the US has a shortage on them
< 1342384315 775689 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1342384317 222765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Abyss
< 1342384324 519242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1342384327 885091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it
< 1342384342 997953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly famous I think
< 1342385097 888680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342385099 459620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vorpal "“Hava Nagila” (הבה נגילה) (lit. Let us rejoice) is a Hebrew folk song that has become a staple of band performers at Jewish weddings and Bar/Bat Mitzvahs."
< 1342385119 616007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "hava" isn't swedish either :)
< 1342385150 166057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows not why he duplicated Vorpal 
< 1342385259 176609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realized "o helga nat" is probably _the_ song that got him started on trying to pronounce swedish properly.
< 1342385279 423300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time, try to write it "Vorpal²" for economicalness.
< 1342385302 212037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342385318 988253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*natt
< 1342385329 667756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much with the _spelling_ alas
< 1342385341 585985 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342385374 617610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ² is a pain to type :(
< 1342385402 461964 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰
< 1342385413 43313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Jussi Björling speaks swedish the same way swedes do nowadays
< 1342385431 648389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I mentioned on Haskell program about making a program for astronomy/astrology and they said they cannot be combined. But actually even at least one astronomer has said he would find it useful combined.
< 1342385431 847375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well perhaps not :P
< 1342385441 889588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose ^ 2
< 1342385587 590546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you and your compose keys.  my norwegian keyboard setting seems to be based on "include absolutely nothing extra, even if that means not using most key combinations for anything."
< 1342385588 836555 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-85-36.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1342385600 647882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can set up a compose key can't you?
< 1342385604 456614 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super useful
< 1342385612 850811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows xp?  no idea.
< 1342385619 993334 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's a different matter
< 1342385633 653243 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea comes from X although someone has probably tried to implement it for Windows at some point
< 1342385690 177414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
< 1342385706 452285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan realized "o helga nat" is probably _the_ song that got him started on trying to pronounce swedish properly. <-- "natt"
< 1342385712 755148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you said that below
< 1342385721 451974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-148-41.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1342385729 941042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> fizzie: ² is a pain to type :( <-- altgr-shift-2
< 1342385734 912142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have ã and õ, but _not_ ~+ eiu
< 1342385744 570391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'd think, but no
< 1342385753 234880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY has I think built-in compose key support. And I'm sure someone's fiddled together a Windows thing, but I don't know of one.
< 1342385758 832665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> compose ^ 2 <-- doesn't work for me
< 1342385765 622786 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o helga NAT
< 1342385769 848513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess becuase my ^ is a dead key
< 1342385798 869711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, something about a holy router is that?
< 1342385832 842024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be "oh holey NAT"
< 1342385864 969518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English you mean?
< 1342385869 923535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minute cretins
< 1342385886 212231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what?
< 1342385896 253129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you two have too confusingly similar nicks
< 1342385898 450011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just punning on the french original, nothing to see here...
< 1342385911 184600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see
< 1342385931 238148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one is me, the other is oerjan, I have no trouble telling the difference
< 1342385940 213801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not
< 1342385947 924753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we should talk more
< 1342386000 690376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise both of you, me and fizzie all have the same nick length
< 1342386012 42319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just need kmc to shut up XD
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< 1342386050 105835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, I think we should also start talking to ourselves more
< 1342386054 674185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There goes another six-letter name.
< 1342386065 684700 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-85-36.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342386067 493605 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eho?
< 1342386076 406067 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*who`
< 1342386081 861692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ais523.
< 1342386085 417988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you are allowed to speak, your nick has 6 letters
< 1342386085 616860 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1342386090 407715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there appears to be a significant correlation between 6 letters and nordic
< 1342386094 149189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly there should be a channel mode to enforce nick lengths. (It'd pad the too short ones, and intelligently shorten the long ones.)
< 1342386099 65827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm possibly
< 1342386103 832869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my old nick was longer
< 1342386107 569165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nordic" is also 6 letters ... COINCIDENCE?
< 1342386114 233239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN DUN DUN
< 1342386125 292126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Congratulations on having the right number of characters.
< 1342386127 494769 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, the report insists on the need to take socioeconomic aspects into account, in some cases, must we make it possible to offer the same guarantees as the tests carried out on fnord, but i also feel, however, where it would be those who are listening to us.
< 1342386156 342902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those poor fnords, always the guinea pigs
< 1342386160 285809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1342386164 629666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the movie took a good turn now, the aliens showed up and took someone on board the mother ship
< 1342386175 423407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1342386233 232469 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what movie?
< 1342386239 599933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they should've gone there like two and a half hours ago
< 1342386243 9027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the one olsner was watching
< 1342386262 469107 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what movie are you watching?
< 1342386292 995956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now they're doing the humanity on trial thing
< 1342386301 973544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The Abyss
< 1342386339 633349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> oh, now they're doing the humanity on trial thing <-- so cliché
< 1342386344 987783 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-85-36.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1342386448 223975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of that thing. Doesn't it have something to do with water? 
< 1342386532 982589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 2.5h of Das Boot with deep sea diving and submersible chases followed by bits and pieces of the first episode of TNG
< 1342386546 364013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he saw part of it once
< 1342386578 735634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a CGI water thing-thing.
< 1342386639 979677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing-thing
< 1342386687 732277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play chess with I don't know!
< 1342386699 44720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I liked though: when the civilian divers met the SEAL divers they didn't have an hour of side quests all about overcoming their differences and proving that each group has something to contribute
< 1342386837 48954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should there be a channel mode to affect nick lengths? I think that is a bad and useless idea.
< 1342386879 279707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pad the names yourself in messages and/or client configuration setting if you want it
< 1342386913 103010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to be known as zzo388 or zzo338?
< 1342386962 481942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but the point is that everyone would behave like one big happy family if the artificial divisor of nick length weren't there. Currently there's e.g. a state of bitter war between all "fivers" and the "six club", I believe.
< 1342386987 999908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is all not true.)
< 1342387029 630856 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-87-88.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342387036 909035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "zzo38 " so it has a space at the end
< 1342387078 956545 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1342387362 801187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just keep going and watch the rest of TNG again
< 1342387634 539146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> one thing I liked though: when the civilian divers met the SEAL divers they didn't have an hour of side quests all about overcoming their differences and proving that each group has something to contribute <-- of course, it was a movie, not an RPG
< 1342387710 827046 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :movies do that *all the time* ... often half the movie is about two groups starting out hating but growing to trust each other in the face of adversity
< 1342387716 656035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1342387727 658976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't watch all that many movies
< 1342387789 926698 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1342387796 742753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If the side quest about overcoming the differences is to kill 30 sea slugs, though, then it might be a RPG instead.
< 1342387865 708649 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard operating procedure would be for the seals to be all "puny civilians, we eat people like you for breakfast" and the other ones to be "you stupid jarheads, this diving stuff is complicated and we're experts"
< 1342387866 532180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no that would be an MMORPG
< 1342387879 828863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any decent single player RPG wouldn't do that
< 1342387881 895977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then some calamity happens and they are forced to work together, and then they can continue the movie
< 1342387924 534077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so what did this movie do instead?
< 1342387926 796848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does edwardk on and then quit in a short time later?
< 1342387941 814277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? single player RPGs frequently have some "find all the stars" side quest
< 1342387945 140061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually optional
< 1342387946 263283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you forgot a verb there
< 1342387952 518957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't like those and so they aren't "decent"
< 1342387960 238397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no true scotsman would play such a game
< 1342387966 295574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, can't remember any such that I played recently
< 1342387995 927039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single-player RPG could have a fetch quest there instead.
< 1342387997 32220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see, which RPGs have I played recently.... bastion, witcher 2, uh... yeah that is about it recently
< 1342388024 475969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play game "No True Scotsman"
< 1342388038 882772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure oblivion has the nirnroot quest, and skyrim had the crimson nirnroot quest. Fetch quests indeed.
< 1342388047 925885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played either game for a long time though
< 1342388061 795249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the head civilian was like "btw, this is our boat, I built it and I call the shots" and the SEALs were like "cool, btw we got some extra diving toys, wanna see?"
< 1342388079 246367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, sounds unrealistic though
< 1342388215 623239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the seals just played nice because they wanted to be set up the bomb
< 1342388271 740229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that sounded grammatically wrong
< 1342388298 344898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it was
< 1342388312 483777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did you actually mean
< 1342388351 158121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm, I don't think it makes sense in the plot either
< 1342388388 984097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1342388414 826888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so there are plot holes?
< 1342388596 284875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, not sure
< 1342388737 578008 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you think oerjan and olsner have confusingly similar nicks?  http://i.imgur.com/V4m7M.png
< 1342388744 559290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but plot holes generally don't bother me
< 1342388788 563090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they different colors?
< 1342389001 418708 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so I can tell them apart more easily.
< 1342389013 330445 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: is you lisp implementation available somewhere? also will it use lexical or dynamic typing?
< 1342389019 613281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what *are* you watching, again?
< 1342389026 306343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you put those colors on there yourself.
< 1342389039 197427 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the colors are automatically chosen.
< 1342389051 694867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1342389073 212739 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some simple algorithm on the characters in the nick.
< 1342389083 684108 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just takes the sum of all the characters mod 13, or something.
< 1342389118 167579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not watching it anymore, but The Abyss
< 1342389157 998503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(humanity passed the trial due to the protagonist's message of love to his wife, everyone lived happily ever after)
< 1342389229 437686 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good
< 1342389240 923533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did aliens manage to get established in a trench and start setting tests without establishing the human reproductive cycle first
< 1342389265 173627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: s/typing/scoping/, me thinks
< 1342389282 620663 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1342389303 66075 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexical typing would be interesting concept
< 1342389318 515228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, your nick is to long, more than 6 letters
< 1342389333 148978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Hoover
< 1342389337 976816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's ok he's a true scotsman.
< 1342389342 928846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoover++
< 1342389345 168247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh okay
< 1342389366 547386 :Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I can go back?
< 1342389370 368347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1342389371 7722 :Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This account's registered.
< 1342389376 138672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, go back then
< 1342389380 724686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.  once you go scot, you cannot go back.
< 1342389405 918338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoover, you could be Phanto I guess?
< 1342389419 766098 :Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phanto
< 1342389442 940808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand, you are not from a Nordic country, so I guess it is okay
< 1342389451 838663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol however has an issue
< 1342389469 745319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does FireFly
< 1342389475 714324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both 7 chars
< 1342389481 775712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1342389507 55031 :Phanto!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://what-if.xkcd.com/
< 1342389507 693074 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with seven characters?
< 1342389507 693300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklpol or oklopl should be fine though
< 1342389511 622513 :Phanto!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow Munroe started doing something worthwhile.
< 1342389518 226381 :Phanto!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1342389521 660581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oklokl
< 1342389549 866380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, because fizzie, Vorpal, olsner, oerjan and fungot are all 6 chars, and all from a Nordic country.
< 1342389551 911885 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am sure this will be included in the debate by december and that you will see when we present them next year to stimulate more innovative forms of work and problems involving the working methods and organisation of pension and social security payments, in so far as to say that a shipyard wishes to reduce noise levels and is not open to the examination of petitions always depends on an adequate presence of human resour
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< 1342389638 198444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fungot has a clear perspective on this
< 1342389639 984050 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, on a point of order. you will understand that i cannot speak about the annex to the legislation on the reduction in staffing levels, the existence of technological needs which justify the adaptations and specific measures to end this round of budgetary framing, to forget that this european educational space is a notion which must be defined now.
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< 1342389646 229244 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I implemen't if, cond or both?
< 1342389653 372340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in what language
< 1342389658 797162 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lis
< 1342389661 310027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes, definitely
< 1342389681 368140 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes to what?
< 1342389714 483657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use case instead
< 1342389723 482568 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1342389724 165461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp needs more pattern matching
< 1342389733 963997 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1342389797 541419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because after doing haskell, using null, car and cdr to decompose lists starts looking primitive.
< 1342389818 898954 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1342389845 50276 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I implement this pattern matching?"
< 1342389924 158702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a macro, of course, this _is_ lisp isn't it.
< 1342389934 272740 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1342389948 199635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may not have thought this very through, although he assumes someone has already done this.
< 1342389982 127605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, <Phanto> http://what-if.xkcd.com/ <-- that site is awesome
< 1342390058 489139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking something like (case x ((`(tag ,@z) ...) ...)) to steal scheme's quasiquoting in reverse
< 1342390092 557230 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ` do?
< 1342390132 282721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an expression, `(tag ,@z) is equivalent to (cons 'tag z)
< 1342390143 885168 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1342390157 358698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` starts a quasiquotation and , interpolates, ,@ interpolates a list
< 1342390222 794270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as a pattern it would match if (eq? (car x) 'tag) and bind z to (cdr x) in the following ...
< 1342390270 713358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just wanted to match with a constant pattern, you could use ' instead
< 1342390292 558463 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that sounds kinda interesting but bit hard to implement
< 1342390319 739816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already that setf thing in CL, i think, which sounds like similar work
< 1342390332 728452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although different
< 1342390343 449211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know all of common lisp, mind you
< 1342390715 253498 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well common lisp include everything and three different kinds of kitchen sinks
< 1342390745 246039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should maybe check if CL _has_ pattern matching
< 1342390897 924553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-match/doc/clmatch-api.htm
< 1342391573 177771 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well back to the original question: if, cond or both
< 1342391593 387053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, case
< 1342391604 381658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1342391606 230548 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not implemeting case
< 1342391618 2399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like racket's match library does precisely what i thought with ` (but also has many other pattern types)
< 1342391629 551449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/match.html
< 1342391633 45210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, cond then, and implement if as a macro using cond
< 1342391633 351309 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lis is meant to be simple lisp dialect
< 1342391642 556898 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1342391665 512006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in scheme I always found cond nicer to use
< 1342391693 153985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'm used to the erlang style if, which is basically a cond
< 1342391703 89655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is a case
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< 1342392767 476431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow are you sure
< 1342392768 243547 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02a03r04e05 06y07o08u09 0203s04u05r06e
< 1342392783 398459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god elliott is here
< 1342392785 718412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1342392802 969726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn you spoke and scared him away
< 1342392813 847510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :(
< 1342393001 909787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure about what
< 1342393008 755144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1342393029 248713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about rainbows!
< 1342393031 99661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oerjan: we need more esolang discussions if we are to get elliott back I guess
< 1342393036 406043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we want that
< 1342393067 524582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #esoteric about esolangs?
< 1342393068 260039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nah i told him once that the channel was currently on topic and he said it didn't matter
< 1342393083 511131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not in those exact words)
< 1342393132 900834 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain to me how label worked in mcCarthys original lisp eval?
< 1342393194 123780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hm, is that a label for a goto?  i _very_ vaguely recall those were only inside proc's or something
< 1342393217 198866 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it is like define
< 1342393245 522617 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what language are you talking about?
< 1342393263 400439 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp doesn't have goto or procs
< 1342393353 385627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i distinctly vaguely recall reading about a lisp form which i think was named proc and which allowed for spaghetti goto programming of the list of expressions inside
< 1342393592 846588 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinctly vaguely :)
< 1342393629 705197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so
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< 1342396092 540160 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone recommend me a simple shell?
< 1342396197 665803 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or way to build staticaly linked heirloom-sh)