< 1342484422 783981 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1342484461 938339 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342484493 29532 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342484617 484902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342485744 847962 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342486345 476614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, someone is making an esolang! http://blog.r-wos.org/2012/up-next <-- how did you find it? < 1342486392 255696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is there a difference between you and Veinor? < 1342488218 370339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, who is "Veinor"? < 1342488262 715458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54 Yes. < 1342488262 903823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54 > "Veinor" == "Vorpal" < 1342488278 698987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in this channel? Is the timestamp in UTC? < 1342488288 196389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm not that guy, whoever it is < 1342488289 219545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, in the other channel. < 1342488295 504534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, WHICH OTHER CHANNEL? < 1342488299 125676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that_ channel? omg! < 1342488308 161407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf! < 1342488310 636887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbq! < 1342488337 199445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for Mirror's Edge to finish downloading
< 1342488351 178790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam says over an hour left :/ < 1342488389 912091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't worry, you'd hate it anyway. < 1342488429 971836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, mirror's edge? Nope, I played a bit before, a friend owns it. Pretty cool game. < 1342488438 875112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the other channel. < 1342488441 653705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342488465 929124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirror's Edge seemed kind of pointless to me. < 1342488471 220008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1342488480 365974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parkour seems pretty cool < 1342488487 666711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a few years since I looked at it, though. < 1342488508 980624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I understand it has become something of a cult game < 1342488682 867558 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't finished that. < 1342488757 670715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342488777 413204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hopefully the parkour might be slightly more interesting than that of assasin's creed < 1342488780 918149 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, though it's very much a frustrating puzzle platform game. < 1342488805 484841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just "hold space, w and right mouse button, sometimes hit a few other keys" < 1342488822 353670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is revelations, I haven't played the earlier games) < 1342488857 532006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an image illustrating that I saw somewhere < 1342488859 762645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1342488865 475677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: https://virtualshacklesimages.appspot.com/images/assassins_edge.jpg < 1342488903 958976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope mirror's edge plays well with keyboard and mouse < 1342488921 344206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I am planning to buy a pad sometime soon < 1342488925 403539 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try something like that but also hitting the other keys more often and also a lot of really annoying spots where you jump-die-respawn a lot. < 1342488940 469154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342488954 451557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was super-cheap on the steam summer sale, so meh < 1342488955 892220 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse, jump-fall-spend-several-minutes-climbing. < 1342488959 809848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sounds fun < 1342488968 348105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that doesn't sound so fun < 1342488978 933106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, checkpoints rather than quicksaves I guess? < 1342488990 373137 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1342488992 830272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say I prefer quicksave systems < 1342489006 496266 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quicksave, but let's say you're climbing a tower. < 1342489017 885268 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when you fall, you die and go back a few seconds. < 1342489034 170936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay? < 1342489039 640923 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other times, you survive, and get to enjoy climbing all the way back up form the bottom. < 1342489044 797492 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1342489047 656277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just quickload then < 1342489069 477182 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found a way in the PS3 version other than dying. < 1342489079 830147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well I'm playing on PC of course < 1342489085 957149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did you know there is a sequel to IWBTG now? < 1342489087 254312 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And climbing up to where you can die again activates the earlier quicksavepoint. < 1342489092 963614 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quicksave point < 1342489102 678807 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw the link earlier. < 1342489155 668640 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to try it out. < 1342489210 262079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't, I watched a video of someone playing it, he died on the level select screen a few times first. < 1342489213 985813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pretty funny < 1342489229 232993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the link < 1342489242 545524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY6TrLsN6qM&feature=plcp < 1342489244 643300 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what was linked. < 1342489253 50456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, what? The TB video? < 1342489270 615926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1342489423 214410 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's partly because I used to hang out on a forum with the guy who made it a bit, so I figure I should try out stuff he makes. < 1342489530 746752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, heh < 1342489541 34057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, you should watch that video though if you haven't already < 1342489544 121586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty funny < 1342489587 145553 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure I ought to at least see how far I can in a few plays get before spoiling the various death-traps. < 1342489603 282987 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*plays before < 1342489717 375498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does windows lower the system sound setting when I plug in my phone over USB < 1342489721 358172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of silly < 1342489726 525475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it is windows... < 1342490268 886926 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1342490284 497844 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342490374 910178 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342490432 907623 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342490720 270272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1342490902 209239 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342491098 868876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Police arrested two Cambridge Department of Public Works employees outside the Target in Somerville on charges of selling marijuana out of a city-owned vehicle during working hours." < 1342491493 326654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342491631 139216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-198.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342491822 604924 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342492157 36304 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342492255 208132 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342492657 538709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342492660 175228 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1342494020 568693 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342495048 26518 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 NICK :MSleep < 1342495229 205153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://cr.yp.to/snuffle/design.pdf seems to be an example of using a hash function in CTR mode. < 1342495271 736772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :snuff crypto < 1342495289 29644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T VISIT THAT WEBSITE! < 1342495306 679168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1342495338 318919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's crypto that wants to kill you! < 1342495447 632096 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342496677 322099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Police arrested two Cambridge Department of Public Works employees outside the Target in Somerville on charges of selling marijuana out of a city-owned vehicle during working hours." <-- wtf < 1342496688 321710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a different charge than selling marijuana in general? < 1342496723 189097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "selling marijuana out of a of a city-owned vehicle during working hours" carries a higher penalty than just selling marijuana in general? < 1342496724 613248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you misread the sentence. They arrested them out of a city-owned vehicle during working hours. < 1342496735 446010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh right ;P < 1342496740 753129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is presumably how police usually arrest people? < 1342496770 62497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems odd to specify it. < 1342496909 751702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does uploading stuff kill my /download/ so badly < 1342496966 925668 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342496979 270928 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i doubt the crime of "selling marijuana out of a of a city-owned vehicle during working hours" is mentioned on the books < 1342496992 377531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, my thought exactly < 1342497004 383356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the wording in the article implies that there is < 1342497006 843393 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/JGn2l < 1342497012 461708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm knights of the old republic is on sale, super cheap, is it worth buying? < 1342497016 763858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the original in the series iirc < 1342497017 986038 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes i expect they would get some additional misuse of public property or something < 1342497024 739653 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-104.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342497040 71667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, it wasn't mentioned on the books until now! < 1342497043 875185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinions on that? < 1342497049 234349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you might not be talking about the same books. < 1342497060 871945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "everyone" seems to say that it's good. < 1342497077 746715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you played it though? < 1342497081 707498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1342497086 877036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ahahahaha < 1342497144 933216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, ouch < 1342497170 797934 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college we used to drive out to the desert for roman candle naval battles < 1342497187 622833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two cars < 1342497207 965014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who's not driving tries to hit the other car with roman candles out the windows < 1342497228 279529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck steam for lagging out < 1342497286 611313 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1342497667 749772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :celebrates the 27th anniversary of Gregor's uterine expulsion | Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), Gregor (ex pony), olsner (k ex), ion (deus ex), shachaf (ex machina), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342497682 542104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric celebrates the 27th anniversary of Gregor's uterine expulsion | Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), Gregor (ex pony), olsner (k ex), ion (deus ex), shachaf (ex machina), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342497683 425019 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1342497781 22618 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-104.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1342497848 343850 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf ex machina < 1342497875 213796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is kmc guilty of ruining this channel? < 1342497908 358022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like Salsa20 now. < 1342497971 367464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm according to the topic I should say happy bday < 1342497978 367870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that is outdated < 1342498011 732107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fer < 1342498013 226003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrrrng < 1342498022 503335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what < 1342498036 716502 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I post a screed on Facebook about not giving me birthday wishes so SOMEBODY puts it here and also gets my birthday wrong X-D < 1342498058 370834 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you enter your twenty-seventh year of life, how old are you? < 1342498063 210752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, screed? < 1342498071 670282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1342498081 936016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is a "screed"? < 1342498092 83350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: old as shit < 1342498095 752792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some facebook thing? < 1342498097 953760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll fix it < 1342498100 503029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have facebook < 1342498137 631585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric celebrates the 26th anniversary of Gregor's uterine expulsion | Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: itidus21 (ex officio), oerjan (ex cathedra), Gregor (ex pony), olsner (k ex), ion (deus ex), shachaf (ex machina), others (see /names) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342498137 783290 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1342498138 756403 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A screed is a very negative rant. < 1342498158 873785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342498167 96808 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1342498172 639127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn screed < 1342498173 323865 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "screed" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1342498173 555148 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :screed < 1342498173 706698 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a long monotonous harangue < 1342498173 706887 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: a long piece of writing < 1342498173 706997 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: an accurately levelled strip of material placed on a wall or < 1342498175 325799 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : floor as guide for the even application of plaster or < 1342498177 333892 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : concrete < 1342498177 631109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you don't want bday wishes then I guess? < 1342498200 104930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really I just don't want FACEBOOK birthday wishes X-D < 1342498208 274051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342498331 206555 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how that definition uses “harangue”, an equally uncommon word, to define “screed”. < 1342498345 220279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does google have to make things so convenient. You just end up giving them all your data -_- < 1342498380 740266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty common in dictionaries < 1342498383 863085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I knew what harangue was. There is a similar Swedish word that isn't as uncommon though < 1342498430 286081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway wrt google: in this specific case I'm lamenting the way that contacts and calendar integrates on my phone (android, so yeah) and on the PC. It is really slick, but you do end up giving your data to google by doing that :/ < 1342498458 55997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the contact stuff integrates with gmail, which is really nice < 1342498471 716279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor only has half a deck of cards, if you get my drift < 1342498480 931664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1342498495 883417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't. What does the idiom mean? < 1342498500 233287 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1342498510 869901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess i shouldn't have expected Vorpal to get it. < 1342498520 727622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles "has half a deck of cards"
< 1342498533 396241 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best way i have heard that idiom expressed < 1342498542 498369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just card tricks < 1342498553 427938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what does it mean though? < 1342498575 948573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh not playing with a full deck"? Right < 1342498577 854447 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the actual meaning is about the ratio of how many cards he has, to how many cards he should have < 1342498593 91197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so being crazy in other words < 1342498594 116009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342498620 27609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspense! < 1342498626 241428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 is half of 52, Vorpal. < 1342498642 194518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes I did understand that < 1342498648 237465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I just had no clue what the idiom ws < 1342498648 979664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1342498649 508279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was* < 1342498666 188499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was obviously needed to get why it was funny < 1342498672 346654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1342498678 53640 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall spend my birthday making a pony game. < 1342498680 558944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm awesome. < 1342498697 416851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what sort of pony game? < 1342498712 346545 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/websplat/ , but with (more and better) ponies. < 1342498712 837875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about a riding simulator here? < 1342498717 605559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342498719 886592 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah, not even a little bit. < 1342498727 661890 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about My Little Pony X-D < 1342498728 231154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't "ride" a pony < 1342498738 618083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ouch, the pain < 1342498753 400080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, eh? A child could surely < 1342498755 427312 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You can if you're small enough, presumably *shrugs* < 1342498772 191307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1342498778 697478 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anorexic enough. < 1342498811 950787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually watched MLP though so i don't know < 1342498847 801296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why does ctrl-w on the page after playing the game not work < 1342498852 941845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just causes the guy to jump < 1342498859 42468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using firefox) < 1342498872 757794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is annoying < 1342498879 710944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It takes the 'W' key. It's on my bugs list, should be easy to fix. < 1342498889 462282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1342498897 182747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i actually watched a retro MLP episode with a commentary < 1342498936 839391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw an episode of it for the first time today. < 1342498979 921638 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: … why would you do that. < 1342498998 49132 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glutton for punishment, presumably. < 1342499004 126564 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which episode? < 1342499014 219700 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Season 1, episodes 1 and 2. < 1342499020 135970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP? < 1342499030 600043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured I'd give it an honest shot, starting from the beginning. < 1342499045 673358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my little pony < 1342499049 869693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1342499052 478380 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic", a show for girls that has gained a peripheral audience. < 1342499061 345766 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *sage nod*. You should know (and have probably already been informed) that the first two episodes are thematically (though not stylistically) different from the remainder of the show. < 1342499066 355362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for girls and bronies < 1342499069 480357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So I have been told. < 1342499084 387247 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except for the first two episodes of the second season. And arguably the last episode of that season too. < 1342499111 600088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right, I know that much, just didn't connect the abbreviation < 1342499130 471282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you know what you need to do on your websplat. Not make the hero a pony, make the enemies ponies < 1342499136 720675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is much more entertaining < 1342499137 418402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i watch retro my little pony? well it's better than disney :D < 1342499139 248568 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now watching ep. 3. < 1342499145 314338 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tolerate and love your dissenting opinion. < 1342499155 284180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, very funny < 1342499170 516824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway, why do you prefer the "hero" to be a pony? < 1342499178 459666 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ♥ ponies. < 1342499188 544425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you are a bronnie? Please no < 1342499210 483871 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1342499215 198025 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's spelled "brony" < 1342499216 179825 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor actually has a pic of himself as a pony < 1342499219 217028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay < 1342499223 965528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1342499228 440876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, link or it didn't happen < 1342499247 763313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3414963326934&l=2b8be05fc8 < 1342499277 364178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the swag on the front of your face staying on, or is it photoshopped? < 1342499309 678061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a sticker. < 1342499313 902156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342499352 956324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway why are you complaining about the swag to purchase ratio? It is in the favour of the customer... < 1342499380 682387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke X_X < 1342499384 21234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342499397 630628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or an excuse to take a photo of myself covered in ponies. < 1342499405 624080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1342499431 60622 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what the best part of bronidom is? < 1342499433 965971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brony haters. < 1342499434 639686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1342499476 372147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't really hate it. I just think it is a bit weird to go shouting out that you love a specific TV series like that. You don't see that behaviour for other TV series really... Not even Star Trek. < 1342499487 906192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not outside conventions) < 1342499494 506931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/dealwithit.png < 1342499499 619826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You haven't seen fandom much, have you? < 1342499514 407324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Thank you, you've given the appropriate response perfectly! < 1342499527 373339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got a feeling theres other pics.. that doesn't look like the one i had in mind < 1342499527 629196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, a bit. But from what I have seen bronies are unusually vocal about it. < 1342499543 165782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: However that's not me as a pony, that's Pinkie Pie, and it's just a scene from an episode I grabbed. < 1342499546 917362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything they are astoundingly ordinary in their vocalness. < 1342499549 164851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you don't see people behaving this way over CSI for example. Not that I seen anyway. < 1342499555 976085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because she was wearing a hat and being unbelievably awesome. < 1342499579 730798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, when did you start being a brony? < 1342499586 636832 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's because CSI doesn't have much of a fandom. < 1342499588 463096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the one of you as a pony has a beret as i recall < 1342499605 842899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm okay < 1342499619 220894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, I don't think you appreciate the level of obsession some people go to with Trek fandom *in particular*. < 1342499640 48879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at conventions I would definitely agree. But outside that? < 1342499641 767388 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klingon-style weddings are a *thing*. < 1342499647 430971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1342499656 492428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ a "Klingon-style wedding"? < 1342499657 972490 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Donno, months ago. < 1342499672 405143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They depicted a Klingon wedding in an episode. < 1342499687 666796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how did it differ from a normal wedding < 1342499688 645258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slash fan-fic was invented. In the *70s*. Kirk-Spock manlove. Before the Internet. < 1342499692 312887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I say more... < 1342499703 696610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, there is always slash fan-fic. < 1342499708 238520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1342499712 697273 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1342499719 304288 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has not always been slash fan-fic. < 1342499726 267318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1342499727 429344 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was invented in Trek fandom. < 1342499735 411845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, that is kind of scary < 1342499744 914918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just like to state for the record, that I prefer Picard to Kirk. < 1342499754 211368 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed in pain-stakingly gathered pamphlets. < 1342499755 590610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I generally oppose fandom. Consider that fan is short for fanatic. < 1342499758 316159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there was no Internet. < 1342499769 612607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your statement has been recorded < 1342499806 831783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparently theres 2 schools of thought on the matter. < 1342499815 882836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would just like to state for the record, that I prefer Picard to Kirk. <-- well of course, one is played by a far better actor... < 1342499824 754613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, hm? < 1342499829 473573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is that it comes from fanatic, another is that .. < 1342499858 777225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes? < 1342499863 663836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :carry on < 1342499876 361982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1342499876 909338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, *duh*. Picard is better in practically every way. < 1342499895 52675 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse in the sleeping with alien chicks bit, but I don't consider this an important metric. < 1342499895 420610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy is the other etymology < 1342499901 945421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, hm okay < 1342499913 625170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is correct though < 1342499916 327152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually at wikipedia just the other day looking up the etymology < 1342499935 217783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Worse in the sleeping with alien chicks bit, but I don't consider this an important metric. <-- I don't remember Picard ever doing that? < 1342499940 843367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so surely that is better < 1342499946 100076 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1342499960 308284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched more than 3 or 4 episodes of TOS < 1342499968 423677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't possibly comment on the level of that there < 1342499970 548560 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fan_(person)#Origin_of_the_word < 1342499971 57162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :third option: shakespeare just made the word up. (goes for much of english in general.) * runs away < 1342499986 524377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1342499986 967599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's Kirk's thing, really. < 1342499992 523443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1342499996 101783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up there with getting in fist fights. < 1342499997 527075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I haven't watched any DS9 < 1342500005 292912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame. DS9's pretty good. < 1342500018 435255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little different from TNG in feel, but nevertheless good. < 1342500036 972930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched maybe 2 seasons of TNG in total, but spread out < 1342500061 153482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a season in total of Voy, again spread out. Similar for that last one, whatever they call it. < 1342500080 753523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest watching more of TNG. When it's good it's astounding, and it's often good. < 1342500090 92512 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bother with VOY and ENT. < 1342500098 207483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ENT is what they call it < 1342500104 451466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah TNG is decent I guess < 1342500124 236660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decent"? < 1342500133 632920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I typo it? < 1342500135 967245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of seasons 1 and/or 2 did you see? < 1342500148 168512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the generation aged in their 30s always labours under the belief that they are outsmarting the generation aged 5-15 with their marketing practices, blissfully unaware that they were once 5 - 15 < 1342500161 417463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, don't really remember, so many years ago. But pretty evenly spread out over several seasons I believe < 1342500172 956245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did get better after the first season yes < 1342500179 139709 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, much easier: did Riker have a beard? < 1342500189 152956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in some of the episodes, not all < 1342500224 216810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Riker is unbearded, you know it's going to be a stinky pile of shit. < 1342500228 362720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've been told this is a point of contention among trekkies < 1342500228 514247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm not really a star trek nerd. What interests me with science fiction is not the stuff that star trek provides < 1342500234 4618 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has barely seen any star trek
< 1342500240 460335 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if it's a Wesley episode. < 1342500253 62426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, wesley was horrible < 1342500259 9757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Nah, it's universally accepted: Riker must have beard, and Wesley can go off and die in a fire. < 1342500269 441905 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I meant Kirk vs. Picard < 1342500277 992020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Ah. For some reason, yeah. < 1342500286 406202 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It is contested, but yeah. < 1342500310 490389 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I should also note that when Trek is bad it's terrible. < 1342500316 552126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342500350 962026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what interests me in science fiction is the stuff that is generally considered hard science fiction. Star Trek does not provide that in any way at all. < 1342500364 383734 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from what I can tell it boils down to: one is the original, the other is actually performed well. < 1342500378 699628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. Trek is fun, but hard sci fi it is not. < 1342500379 986389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i saw a star trek episode once, i think it was called "threshold" < 1342500382 718130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's space fantasy. < 1342500385 899297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sorry. < 1342500396 584291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : True. Trek is fun, but hard sci fi it is not. <-- oh come on. I guess it is more niche though < 1342500412 394334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if I want fantasy I think there are more interesting settings than space ships < 1342500424 416227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and, hard scifi doesn't have to involve space at all < 1342500434 945281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: just joking, i've seen others too. < 1342500438 55947 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spaceships have guns! < 1342500443 93051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that many though. < 1342500446 653291 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not joking. I'm sorry you had to see that. < 1342500482 604939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, and? I find exploring the limits of our scientific understanding far more interesting than any action packed sequence < 1342500495 137257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, to be frank I prefer reading books to watching movies < 1342500495 288850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever thought of attaching guns to spaceships was a genius :P < 1342500507 193818 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like both. < 1342500524 972359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :books have way better framerate for a start < 1342500530 911141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hate, HATE, 24 FPS) < 1342500554 513544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's my god-damned 120 FPS recording? :P < 1342500560 994308 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad truth being that for a large enough terrestrial plane that star trek could take place on the ground < 1342500574 178099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed, though I would be okay with 60 FPS most of the time. < 1342500583 26315 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 50? < 1342500609 283261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh, I don't like it when playing games, so why should I like it when watching a movie < 1342500609 993163 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: It'd actually fit rather well translated to a naval setting. < 1342500616 45245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: With magic. < 1342500639 112001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : whoever thought of attaching guns to spaceships was a genius :P <-- if that's genius i take it you consider most software patents genius too. < 1342500640 637101 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trek tech is magic for all intents and purposes anyways. < 1342500685 487998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Q. < 1342500694 190322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is terrible < 1342500702 359396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just so clearly magic that it isn't even funny < 1342500713 442477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, Q is generally liked. < 1342500734 796225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what can I say, I don't like magic pretending to be tech < 1342500736 278177 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly because of Encounter at Farpoint and All Good Things. < 1342500748 976536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you even _heard_ of clarke's laws? :P < 1342500749 553872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Encounter at Farpoint" sounds familiar < 1342500753 156851 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is explicitly magic, FWIW. < 1342500757 753330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, but that is the other way around < 1342500758 171750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: First and last episodes. < 1342500765 338013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't like it either really < 1342500783 667439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, don't think I watched "All Good Things" < 1342500799 963756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, if you go into Trek expecting hard sci fi you're going to have a bad time. If you go into Trek expecting Fantasy In SPAAAACE you'll probably enjoy yourself. < 1342500813 805068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I found the first TNG episode to be terrible, though the saucer separation idea was pretty cool (I think that happened there?) < 1342500833 989232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was terrible, except for the Q scenes, IMO. < 1342500834 141212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, problem is I don't enjoy fantasy in space :/ < 1342500950 920638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I don't enjoy fantasy for the fantasy part of it. I can enjoy it if it is good enough in other aspects. Like a really good story of political intrigue that just happens to be set against a fantasy background. < 1342500978 241756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic doesn't really explain it self (obviously) in general < 1342500985 30444 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd love DS9, I think. < 1342500989 622509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1342501011 53168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why? < 1342501027 144043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very different feel from the other Treks... < 1342501034 150069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in what way? < 1342501083 616977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it takes place on a stationary station rather than a moving ship < 1342501088 236782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that? < 1342501119 40287 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Q was fantastic < 1342501148 810981 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, as you said, Encounter at Farpoint and All Good Things < 1342501175 871614 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voyager had the Doctor but also Neelix, so it was a wash < 1342501454 67243 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342501622 63523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was largely based on longer story arcs around warfare and politics, rather than a planet-of-the-week thing. < 1342501733 69639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nice < 1342501814 40444 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the polar opposite of what Roddenberry meant for the series, and honestly that's not a bad thing. < 1342501950 13586 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the main things driving his vision was that: in the future, humans are Perfect Beings. < 1342501954 827883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shit you not. < 1342501968 38316 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can imagine, this limits writing somewhat. < 1342502306 142167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342502370 160067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Kirk doesn't behave as a perfect being < 1342502374 335008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he failed already in TOS < 1342502383 919819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was much more a thing in TNG. < 1342502393 544984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... yes < 1342502408 548403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *really* shows in the first few seasons. < 1342502451 567577 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there were many elements of it in TOS. < 1342502463 293516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't watched enough TOS to comment on that < 1342502793 106099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com timing out for me, wtf. Other sites work fine < 1342502828 203430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, now it works again < 1342503404 414865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Mirror's Edge is awesome, though quite hard < 1342503429 629339 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1342503443 819059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, bought it for next to nothing on the current steam sale < 1342503470 935798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played my then-roommates' copy, who got it at release. < 1342503494 943105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh you can get it for 2.49 EUR for about an hour until they switch over the sale < 1342503497 501443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to < 1342503501 584796 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempting. < 1342503508 142610 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was a good game. < 1342503511 59747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, might be a different price in US < 1342503517 646942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the "community choice" thingy < 1342503519 720002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same OOM no doubt. < 1342503526 382895 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Steam sales are like that. < 1342503526 684333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which switch over 8 hours < 1342503529 152992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, OOM? < 1342503534 531718 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order Of Magnitude. < 1342503539 232115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1342503548 747264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of cases where there was like a 50% difference < 1342503554 435941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is 75% off < 1342503576 595160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I just wish there was a quicksave, at least I haven't found any such feature yet < 1342504378 853064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so what price does Steam report for Mirror's Edge in US? < 1342504398 967264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was correct conversion ratio, $3.059 < 1342504401 280011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about that < 1342504427 270493 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$4.99 < 1342504435 689248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a difference there < 1342504494 302425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you said same order of magnitude before :P < 1342504507 64435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that is accurate in USD < 1342504950 769983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know orders of magnitude go in steps of *10, right? < 1342504968 481832 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two fingers < 1342504975 486575 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :my orders of magnitude are in steps of 2 < 1342505159 268672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries that "last link in introduction" wikigame we did a while ago starting at "Order of magnitude", is currently at SISAL
< 1342505203 193434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ho, I've completely missed that they're having a saleoroid thing. < 1342505272 274922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some steps later, i'm at Free Software Foundation < 1342505363 290063 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-161-243.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342505578 482639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets into a loop with Hungarian language
< 1342505814 723387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fate worse than death. < 1342505931 74690 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: oops < 1342506103 848909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one would hope so < 1342506200 542805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate gambler's fallacy is that you can influence your own lifespan < 1342506255 863986 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1342506436 32716 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean it < 1342506523 790229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my brother said, when i move out i'm taking the wii.. so my thoughts are... ok shit.. this means i will lose any save data < 1342506561 431283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i buy another wii.. he will be like, i haven't moved yet are you trying to tell me something < 1342506590 422299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whats really weird is that before he said this i wasn't using the wii anyway < 1342506806 780040 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342506917 616408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know orders of magnitude go in steps of *10, right? <-- yes, and it shouldn't. Besides there could be a currency where it was not true in this case < 1342506954 806074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Okay < 1342506997 114121 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoin? :P < 1342507020 326721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant a currency where the one price was like 9 and the other price like 11 < 1342507026 860861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1342507050 327362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, why would anyone want a wii, or care about a wii? Zelda games aren't that amazing... < 1342507076 269779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the older ones can be emulated easily < 1342507104 248267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's still in the same order of magnitude by any sensible definition, even if the base used is 10. < 1342507124 133732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly they should go in steps of *e, that would be much more natural. < 1342507172 846835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so bitcoin it is then < 1342507201 81762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, base 2 is the most natural base. < 1342507219 931327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called the *natural log*, nothing can be more natural than that. < 1342508155 133971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except a supernatural log < 1342508380 107600 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just write everything in base e < 1342508687 127313 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342509543 862278 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1342509591 609133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This morning (few minutes ago) I saw a real scientist on the way to work. It was standing in the parking lot, talking to a cellphone, but I know it was a real scientist because it had a lab coat on. < 1342509618 732789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1342509734 35097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow! < 1342510645 650592 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i think nintendo games are pretty good... and if i got some AA batteries i can play my brother's wii now.. < 1342510659 733209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thought of playing those games only to lose my save games seems onerous < 1342510666 875236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's me being a perfectionist :D < 1342510673 731643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperfectly < 1342510684 708022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically.... .... im an asshole < 1342510889 735063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, get your own console then? < 1342510908 475957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this game with a new game+ style feature and multiple endings; to see the "final" ending, you'll have to agree to have your save file permanently wiped out. It sounds like kind of a "dick move" to do. < 1342510920 166084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will.. because the stupid government gave me money < 1342510937 564037 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the fact that i don't actually need any advice is what makes me an asshole < 1342510940 747400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't know any such games off the top of my head < 1342510969 970703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but... well ... we have you know.. legal wii roms if there is such a thing < 1342510971 392126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I would suggest buying a good gaming PC instead. More expensive sure, but also way better performance < 1342510988 891217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there isn't my sentence doesn't make sense < 1342510990 831016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, Wii doesn't have ROMs, it has disc images < 1342510998 938837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no it doesn't make any bloody sense < 1342511016 326966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok anyway, some of them are might fine < 1342511051 295203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very thought of them.. is the same feeling the royals must get thinking of their store of gems and golden crowns < 1342511058 315161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NIER is like that. < 1342511061 894636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo's last non-handheld system to have ROM images was N64. Both Gamecube and the Wii have CD drives instead < 1342511067 650513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is that < 1342511076 427694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game. < 1342511083 346388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does it stand for I mean < 1342511093 549802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/960449-nier/cheats "Beware that getting ending D will delete all of your save data except the game's system data (the settings save file, not the actual install data) and when creating a new game if you try to name the protagonist the same name you did in your previous game you will be told "Unfortunately, that name cannot be used."" < 1342511100 410373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even permanently eats the name. < 1342511102 111505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.clipartreview.com/_images_300/Piracy_chest_with_gold_and_a_crown_120227-215262-986009.jpg < 1342511115 572495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't stand for anything I know. < 1342511116 9402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1342511121 762535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it's all in uppercase. < 1342511131 707523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it feels like to have a set of legal disc images which never actually get used off in a storeroom < 1342511154 859076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, ...? What? < 1342511163 550239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first time I've seen it in uppercase. Wikipedia has it as "Nier". < 1342511183 125218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway Dolphin works fine for Gamecube, iirc it can do some Wii games too < 1342511187 409536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried that feature of it < 1342511199 24639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, if you have a reasonably good PC check that out < 1342511221 168806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :game audio stutters a bit for me when emulating Wind waker on Gamecube though < 1342511224 456770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, GameFAQs has it in uppercase, as does the Let's Play I've read, from which all my knowledge about the game in question comes. < 1342511227 802708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes that is < 1342511236 26475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly when there are too many visual effects < 1342511279 333167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, i have dolphin and a legal version of zelda windwaker disc image < 1342511288 470374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342511291 409384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And SQUARE ENIX write it in uppercase at http://na.niergame.com/ but, well, they would. < 1342511291 561216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342511302 10032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be playable with a good enough PC < 1342511315 398996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even in body text, I mean.) < 1342511321 812760 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im trying to be a good freenoder < 1342511324 872748 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342511327 640896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to cut back a bit on the antialias < 1342511329 865671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, wtf is that < 1342511338 707544 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Japanese tend to do that, it's true. < 1342511340 130129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who doesn't pirate things < 1342511366 899139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastards basically use case ad hoc. < 1342511380 666217 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spelling. < 1342511388 192623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I wish GoG did crazy sales like Steam does. :/ < 1342511419 958151 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an album here named "DocumentaLy". Pronounced "dokyumentarii" because fuck you. < 1342511454 702041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Which language is that in? < 1342511478 965987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm losing count of IEEE renewal reminder emails that all have said "Last Chance" in the title. How many last chances can there even be? < 1342511491 451833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Japanese. < 1342511527 230730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Unless that is actually how that spelling is pronounced in Japanese I would just say "fuck you" and pronounce it like it is spelled in English < 1342511580 86202 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically is what you get if you pronounce it how it would be in English, and convert to Japanese. < 1342511591 45122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1342511599 20151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with the upper case L? < 1342511617 718394 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese doesn't have an "l", it has a phoneme that sounds somewhat like "l" and somewhat like "r" that's usually romanised as "r". < 1342511649 221486 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For whatever reason, case is used basically for aesthetics. < 1342511651 942782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time imagining a sound between l and r < 1342511657 884192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly depending on the speaker though. < 1342511682 678754 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i suppose what experience tells me is that ever since the SNES, several bad things happened < 1342511695 744320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are japanese speakers who pronounce just like an l and some other pronounce it like a rolled r and some other again pronounce somewhere in the middle. < 1342511708 553004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it < 1342511738 7434 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo controls got too complicated. too many buttons. nintendo basically broke all it's own rules < 1342511747 85181 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Postalveolar flap, if it helps. < 1342511747 266727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot their roots < 1342511770 987703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have spent so much time thinking about nintendo that i can start to see what they are doing wrong < 1342511816 919188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the phoneme that maps least well to English phonemes. < 1342511850 56649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language is cool :-s ... this room has been the first place i have started to truely appreciate that < 1342512044 216242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it doesn't help < 1342512144 986331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, suppose you wanted to created a language to describe moves in street fighter 2.. you might start off with something like this (incomplete) < 1342512167 198995 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently a trilled r that you don't trill. < 1342512172 703997 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/7fAU7qzj < 1342512206 124077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't help either :/ < 1342512211 717284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "trilled r" even mean < 1342512235 44080 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Spanish. < 1342512245 494633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took French < 1342512293 795821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Japanese "r" is sometimes done that way, too. But it comes across really quite rough. < 1342512302 138854 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "I'm going to stab you" rough. < 1342512316 107935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese are really good at sounding rough < 1342512404 535859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in cartoons i guess) < 1342512435 712603 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That's generally just standard Japanese, if exaggerated. < 1342512465 90064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think western animation demonstrates anger through visuals, whereas, anime often uses the voice acting < 1342512503 776001 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kinda weird if you look at, say, kabuki. < 1342512504 757281 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that subtlety somehow makes it more confronting < 1342512510 392058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't get more visual than kabuki. < 1342512523 413167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if i'm right < 1342512553 821075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i imagine an angry king in a western animation slamming his fist down and making all the objects on the table wobble < 1342512652 189510 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably just wrong! < 1342512682 347499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1342513015 969919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "kabuki"? < 1342513039 400568 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Kabuki is a form of traditional Japanese theater. < 1342513044 640262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1342513096 133010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best known for being *profoundly* dramatic, with elaborate and bright makeup, costuming, and showy movements. < 1342513157 645312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1342513163 552872 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say im interested in japanese theater/theatre < 1342513189 425407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, isn't there some sort of theatre style over there (Japan or China) called something that sounds like "no"? < 1342513192 34876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres also noh (i think its romanized) < 1342513200 240964 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1342513202 169223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember some joke from the Discworld books relating to that < 1342513203 177652 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Japanese. < 1342513218 17746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1342513221 712184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just no < 1342513224 455257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to romanise it as Nō, but. < 1342513250 821753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about a variant that is easy to spell :P < 1342513265 922382 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Noh" is a fairly typical English spelling. < 1342513272 940400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for me < 1342513280 903300 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using that weird convention of -h to indicate a long vowel. < 1342513290 943886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342513304 589826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not do noooooooooooooo < 1342513326 622935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is typically used in English to indicate a "no" with a long vowel < 1342513334 678516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because to do it right you'd write it as "nou". < 1342513341 829523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why not do that < 1342513363 477352 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Japanese romanisation schemes are evil. < 1342513366 551719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342513410 533477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things you need to actually know Japanese to round-trip them to/from kana... < 1342513455 738141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except nihonsiki, but nobody friggin' *uses* that. < 1342513460 958834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using nô is not that a good romanisation < 1342513469 878827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you have no idea if that means noo or nou < 1342513480 346914 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't handle edge cases anyways. < 1342513488 834292 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My form of romanization is best. < 1342513529 827916 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's representable in kana, it's representable romanized the way I do it. < 1342513562 988936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, speaking of romanisation, how do you romanise the capital of China? In Swedish texts I have seen two variants: Peking and Bejing < 1342513571 278251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always confused me < 1342513576 383654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ファイナルファンタジー comes out as "huāinaruhuānntasì-" < 1342513579 640873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peking is the german word for Bejing. < 1342513584 803603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ah... < 1342513602 662569 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres my answer. it's not pretty though < 1342513606 364869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that term is used in other languages as well < 1342513615 873542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we call it Peking :) < 1342513625 286007 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Peking" and "Beijing" are both correct, but for different reasons. < 1342513629 802146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh? < 1342513659 641959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peking looks like WG < 1342513668 429829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, WG being? < 1342513674 899272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wade-Giles < 1342513677 615385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are often multiple transliteration schemes between two given languages. people who speak the source language have a habit of being picky and arbitrary about how you can respectfully transliterate their language < 1342513681 844585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, who/what is that? < 1342513695 265890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a romanization system for Mandarin. < 1342513704 991939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342513710 509124 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Basically, two different romanizations. < 1342513710 766195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make Beijing -> Pei-ching < 1342513713 396471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1342513725 827933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I could imagine germanizing Pei-ching du Peking :) < 1342513727 690686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1342513730 221173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to stay on their good side, just use the source characters < 1342513735 201407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which one sounds closest to the real name when you pronounce it in English though? < 1342513741 461793 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Beijing". < 1342513762 931209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is extremely difficult when it comes to the philippines < 1342513765 974078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and I guess you aren't qualified to answer that question for Swedish, so hrrm < 1342513774 231054 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Peking" spelling is also weird because it predates a sound change in Mandarin. < 1342513796 563140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres dozens of different ways to say philippines that are phonetically equivalent, and noone seems to agree what is best < 1342513801 60145 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be more like "Peching" otherwise. < 1342513814 284859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342513815 645299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its the same thing with the word popadum < 1342513837 434913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you walk into the indian section in a supermarket you will see as many as 12 variants of romanization of popadum < 1342513844 27232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 is just a guess < 1342513855 62882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is "popadum" even? < 1342513861 474405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romanization sucks anyway :) < 1342513870 638630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't know supermarkets had indian sections < 1342513874 785180 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it makes you feel better, pinyin replacing the traditional sometimes-adhoc romanizations of place names *officially* is fairly recent. < 1342513890 960611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papadum < 1342513891 739166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that the Bejing one? < 1342513899 703039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if something is romanizated (? is that the word for it?) you still have no clue how to spell it. < 1342513911 393071 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, "Beijing" is the pinyin one. < 1342513916 242308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342513916 418128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look specifically at "Alternative names for papadum" < 1342513938 942239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, suppose you are trying to use the "correct" word when talking to indians :P < 1342513957 661645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342513970 740346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safer just to hold one quietly and point to it i expect < 1342513978 811734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take systematic pinyin (which, though imperfect, is at least a systematic representation of Mandarin's pronunciation), remove the tone marks, and you get "Beijing". < 1342513993 665843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342513994 377524 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it as correct as you can get if you don't feel like or can't type the tone marks. < 1342514007 18284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or don't know what they mean even :P < 1342514013 72782 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1342514027 19986 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people do get offended if you don't use their preferred romanization < 1342514031 623612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does china call itself actually? < 1342514061 529305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it's really best where possible to use the source characters so theres no ambiguity, if you can :D < 1342514123 587646 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Officially? 中华人民共和国, Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó < 1342514142 686419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Typically? 中国, Zhōngguó < 1342514170 875615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use both versions of 国 in the official name? < 1342514174 311614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another pesky one is tao vs dao < 1342514211 806496 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fun one is kung fu vs gong fu < 1342514220 71212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that another character because my font seems to lack it :( < 1342514234 210757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes, 共和国 is "Republic", if it has the same meaning as in Japanese... < 1342514253 351898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which it should, being kango) < 1342514259 548944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :國国 I have both versions in my font though. < 1342514271 374403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1342514285 466673 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earlier one is simplified 華. < 1342514291 736736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :中华人 <- but I don't have the one in the middle here. < 1342514338 224814 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, on the wikipedia page about Papadum, at least half the page seems to discuss the word itself X_X < 1342514344 798589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode han character flowery < 1342514584 341772 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly 3, and I am still awake. < 1342514586 438878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate future me *so much*! < 1342514631 449384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate past me, now me and future me. < 1342515183 227267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :past me kept me alive, don't have much to say about now me .. < 1342515206 884246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :future me has a great burden of responsibility < 1342516675 889884 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1342516684 100559 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342516738 247387 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1342516770 484126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342517284 476193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what does the long version of the name for China mean? < 1342517446 620066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "People's Republic of China" < 1342517512 775932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. A bit more literally "China People's Republic" < 1342517551 992109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this assumes the Chinese maps well into the analogous Chinese-origin words in Japanese, which seems a safe bet, given how much sense that makes.) < 1342517740 556683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342517936 361947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kiinan kansantasavalta" is the Finnish version of the official name. (I don't know if it's the official Finnish version of the official name, or whether one actually exists. They might not have cared.) < 1342518081 911094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that translates to? < 1342518294 219714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the official Finnish name of Finland, and what does it translate to? < 1342518375 188643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I just realised what would be awesome to watch, a perfect playthrough of Mirror's Edge < 1342518414 51972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :American TV is insteresting. < 1342518460 161619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oww. < 1342518465 482751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, now I got it. < 1342518613 239013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Pretty much the same thing. "[China's] [people's-republic]" if you want to be literal about it. < 1342518679 589327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if we have a more impressive name for ourselves than just "Suomi". I guess "Suomen tasavalta" (Republic of Finland) might be. < 1342518696 99965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what's on top of the infobox at http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomi < 1342518706 527000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342518718 947288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland for that matter.) < 1342518754 218450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I don't recall offhand seeing the "republic of" bit written anywhere. Perhaps in some very formal text. < 1342518797 105849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the president is sometimes referred to as "Suomen tasavallan presidentti", I guess. < 1342519244 301856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe Sweden is technically "The Kingdom of Sweden", but no one calls it that except in very formal texts < 1342519289 557485 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belgium is "The Kingdom of Belgium" too, and I think that's on my passport < 1342519319 90837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We kind of toyed with the idea of electing a king, back when Finland was being founded. < 1342519340 818673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even selected a German guy to be the king. < 1342519399 365382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really? A German guy? Why < 1342519424 654621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some ties to imperial Germany, I don't really know the details. < 1342519427 904131 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first belgium king wasn't belgium either < 1342519434 383509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to get some syngery going on then. < 1342519454 756531 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342519475 694416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then World War I ended and there was a coup in Germany and they went from an empire to a republic, and the king thing was kind of given up. < 1342519503 261108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Finland_%281918%29 has a reasonably short summary. < 1342519562 407103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Governmental archives reveal that the monarchical designation of the king was intended, at least tentatively, to be 'Charles I, King of Finland and Karelia, Duke of Åland, Grand Duke of Lapland, Lord of Kaleva and the North'". < 1342519566 918455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best bit. < 1342519683 553367 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342519731 783917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342519817 478179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we have no royalty to write scandalous articles of in the tabloids. :/ < 1342519853 765591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you have some trouble with your current king or something? < 1342519890 420288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last year or so. < 1342520019 365204 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eibxgkejowqhsmxk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342520182 620749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Incidentally, I'm temporarily in Belgium right now. < 1342520207 98875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our local news have to cover Swedish/Norwegian/Danish royalty since we don't have our own. < 1342520257 897598 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What city are you in? < 1342520369 238220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Didn't you have some trouble with your current king or something? <-- yeah < 1342520395 56961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for a start he is dyslexic. < 1342520406 294989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the problem you refer to was something different < 1342520657 375205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some sort of a scandal. < 1342520689 470929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Leuven. But we've visited Brussels, Brugge, Knokke, Luxembourg (okay, so that's not quite Belgium) and have train tickets for a day trip to Antwerpen for next Saturday still. < 1342520700 631950 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at the university? < 1342520711 837589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, visiting the local speech group for a month. < 1342520713 250525 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if so, it's a 5 minutes walk to me :) < 1342520749 739800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's close. < 1342520758 682463 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very close. < 1342520766 375842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our hotel/apartment thing is next to the Heverlee railway station. < 1342520773 525136 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes I know that < 1342520782 36039 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit further though < 1342520798 996551 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however I live in Heverlee, but very close to the campus of the KUL) < 1342520811 225159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, when I say "the university" I mean this ESAT building, it's here in Heverlee, next to that castle A-something. < 1342520828 630205 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I walk to that castle sometimes < 1342520851 940263 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the IMEC tower construction yet :p? < 1342520920 328547 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the caste name is Aarenberg < 1342520947 424539 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AA/a < 1342520965 896147 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is another castle in the woods < 1342520971 644748 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 100 meter from where I live < 1342520996 520989 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as big though < 1342520999 879906 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybmhhwzscvphmari JOIN :#esoteric < 1342521000 972927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be lot of castles, yes. There were signposts for two when we went to Zoete Waters for a bit of walking. < 1342521014 21892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I walked past the IMEC building when I was first trying to locate the Alma 3 restaurant, but didn't pay enough attention to notice any special towers, if that's where it is. < 1342521021 795547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, that's close. <--- you should totally visit Hexham some time < 1342521069 765527 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're still building it. But I think it's at the other side of imec, you can only see the cranes < 1342521072 955954 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from there) < 1342521123 297884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We kind of considered that on the last trip to London a while ago, but it would've been a bit far away. < 1342521134 576883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some other year. < 1342521134 763354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1342521148 740827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, who are "we" here? < 1342521231 176362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, me and my wife; we tend to do vacation trips together, after all. (Also for some reason she wasn't that keen of seeing Hexham, the esoteric programming language capital of UK, if I recall correctly.) < 1342521255 636920 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342521262 294101 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1342521284 569783 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you really going to eat in the Alma? < 1342521314 733720 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're lucky it's okay but... at times it's horrible < 1342521317 580212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it a couple of times already. Why not? They even give me the personnel price. < 1342521323 220192 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well so I have heard) < 1342521337 259706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a bit of fun with their English lunch menu, though. < 1342521353 322441 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have an English lunch menu? < 1342521353 486455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were "meat trees" and "tree trunks from Hungarian castles", if I recall correctly. < 1342521359 819983 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1342521368 159263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at http://www.alma.be/eng/alma_3/menu_thisweek.php < 1342521379 178338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No meat trees this week. < 1342521414 26245 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take the vol-au-vent < 1342521421 865808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't going to. < 1342521423 796370 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not going to be good < 1342521430 488219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sandwiches have been reasonably reasonable. < 1342521443 800820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I purchased Mirror's Edge today, and suddenly the "Recommended" tab on steam went crazy and started suggesting Tomb Raider games. Why < 1342521492 167446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a jumpy lady in Tomb Raider games too, I suppose. < 1342521494 148694 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I heard those are fine, yes < 1342521509 258918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess... But the games play nothing similar from what I understand < 1342521545 815032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know, thought I've seen the very first Tomb Raider game being played. < 1342521565 714370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is third person right? < 1342521574 225794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while Mirror's Edge is first person < 1342521583 220892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a first-person camera mode, I'm not sure. < 1342521594 379415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have at least some third-personness in it. < 1342521616 164058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the in-engine cutscenes are done in first person too. < 1342521629 976846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are some cell shaded cutscenes that are third person) < 1342521681 89052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome game btw < 1342521824 525066 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the way going by screenshots that it tries to give the most realistic visual field-within your visual-field view that it can < 1342521981 79690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal people dont seem to think of it that way < 1342522004 586722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the current eight-hour community deal is Skyrim at half price. < 1342522132 737837 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1342522164 282894 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was set on buying Mirror's Edge at the -75% price, but I must've forgot about it last night.. < 1342524788 844015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes it was mirror's edge before < 1342524795 966031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I voted for deus ex: hr this time around < 1342524825 657538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, that stuff varies based on how fast you move < 1342524851 392691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you get less sharp depth area when you are moving fast < 1342524865 90336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also more radial blur I think < 1342524882 201756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, anyway the game is awesome, you really missed out < 1342524928 118126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really hard too < 1342524940 601516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks stunning, thanks to it's unique art style < 1342524942 888454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah thunderstorm, bbl < 1342525079 648133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, someone is making an esolang! http://blog.r-wos.org/2012/up-next <-- how did you find it? <-- through /r/programming < 1342525172 126994 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1342525202 64098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342525218 264169 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1342525222 203473 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342525248 361498 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of phone is vorpalphone? < 1342525250 79792 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderstorm and the sun is shining... < 1342525256 396431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, someone is making an esolang! http://blog.r-wos.org/2012/up-next <-- how did you find it? <-- through /r/programming <-- in case you missed it, VorpalPhone < 1342525288 547217 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: thanks < 1342525325 366278 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: one that goes snicker snack < 1342525366 790176 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a Samsung Galaxy S3 < 1342525427 255474 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. < 1342525537 853052 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342525606 128344 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is up with the last bit of your cloak? < 1342525624 654717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1342525628 19013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame whoever set it. < 1342525636 642897 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm ok < 1342525642 349280 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: forever < 1342525827 461706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342525828 240580 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1342526538 785668 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD955A9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342526769 93469 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342526844 647048 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342527019 675857 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342527451 972929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342529897 366825 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuugh < 1342529912 140044 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86-64 opcodes are confusing < 1342529948 332340 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to write a small, specialized assembler < 1342530002 310196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, not much more confusing than x86 in general :) < 1342530055 248417 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342530102 957093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built a small x86-64 assembler generation monad in haskell a while ago, might remember some of the instruction encoding weirdnesses < 1342530193 662048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the "nice" weird things is that a rex prefix (with none of the new bits set) changes the meaning of the byte registers, so that ah/bh/ch/dh become sil/dil/bpl/spl < 1342530210 712425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some order) < 1342530309 778357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is indeed a funny. < 1342530317 522673 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1342530318 421036 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1342530333 757839 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 89 e5 -> movq %rsp, %rbp < 1342530353 398595 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 89 is MOV, e5 is this craxy modR/M byte which makes sense < 1342530359 365367 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 48 then?! < 1342530367 904876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 sets the operand size to 64-bit < 1342530371 362428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the REX prefix < 1342530385 470875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the 64-bit bit set) < 1342530412 364879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thoght that was implied < 1342530424 140354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 89 e5 would be mov ebp,esp < 1342530439 434666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The REX.W bit set. < 1342530446 616154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and the default is 32-bit operand size in long mode < 1342530457 40832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the address size is 64-bit by default) < 1342530494 641548 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's sane < 1342530524 744991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The default operand size without REX.W is 32 bits -- except when it isn't, e.g. for push, pop. < 1342530536 219735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the term "64-bit bit" better :) < 1342530577 977468 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so for push and pop, setting REX.W means 32-bit operand size? < 1342530588 678382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mean anything. < 1342530592 998873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't do 32-bit operand size. < 1342530607 431484 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342530626 698276 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use this for reference: http://ref.x86asm.net/coder64-abc.html#P < 1342530628 76227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In long mode, that is. < 1342530650 631064 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it's hard to decipher what should I actually generate in some cases < 1342530740 140532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that table is quite long, probably 98% of it is instructions you're not generating anyway :) < 1342530747 48560 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1342530753 851429 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hard to browse < 1342530792 2500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Intel manual isn't too bad, though you have to jump quite a lot around between the instruction descriptions and the modRM/SIB encoding specifics. < 1342530795 183429 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :headers should stay on top and I'm too lazy to print the whole thing together with cheatsheets < 1342530802 626310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is REX.W defined to be a no-op for push/pop then? what a waste of bits :/ < 1342530837 824538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't have the manuals on this box, so I don't know if it's a no-op or just undefined something. But there's no encoding of PUSH r32 in long mode. < 1342530903 51491 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :e8 5d 00 00 00 -> callq 0x100000ea3 < 1342530905 479568 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAFUQ? < 1342530907 132318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least modRM/SIB is reusable for many instructions, so you might get away with writing generic code that handles it without jumping back and forth too much < 1342530934 661174 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will make dafuq mnemonic for something < 1342530945 73129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what? it's a normal call < 1342530961 338671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a 32-bit relative offset < 1342530985 887613 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342530997 216102 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it does not have 48 thing < 1342531014 896089 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, AMD and Intel didn't agree on the meaning of call with a 16-bit address size prefix, so there's no call with a shorter encoding than that < 1342531127 480026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you were somehow weird, you could argue that the call should zero high bits of RIP unless you add a REX.W prefix. < 1342531153 31026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's operating on 64-bit registers there, surely you'd want to be explicit about that. < 1342531170 902617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could... but I think they explicitly gave all control-transfer opcodes special rules < 1342531214 717971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you can do both call eax and call rax < 1342531237 441221 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1342531244 785156 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this mess < 1342531320 339112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, according to that huge table of instructions long mode only has call r/m64 < 1342531356 33767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to open intel.pdf, but apparently a gigabyte of memory is not enough. < 1342531380 92469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specs? < 1342531389 295412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the combined manual, volumes 1-3. < 1342531394 655843 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1342531399 826650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your fault ;) < 1342531465 989955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so long mode has far calls (m16:64), doesn't seem very useful < 1342531480 140776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "CALL r/m32" is "N/E" for 64-bit mode. < 1342531514 306600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's still call gates. < 1342531524 875411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 64-bit mode: If selector < 1342531525 39551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :points to a gate, then RIP = < 1342531525 39824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit displacement taken < 1342531525 39952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :from gate; else RIP = 64-bit < 1342531525 40066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :offset from far pointer < 1342531527 376820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :referenced in the < 1342531529 874792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction. < 1342531534 436740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Description of CALL m16:64.) < 1342531594 957467 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there was a note attached to callf: AMD64 Architecture Programmer's Manual Volume 3: "If the operand-size is 32 or 64 bits, the operand is a 16-bit selector followed by a 32-bit offset." (On AMD64 architecture, 64-bit offset is not supported) < 1342531669 619647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but your text implies that intel does have m16:64? heh < 1342531673 643677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The operand-size attribute determines the size of the offset (16, 32, or 64 < 1342531679 968705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits)". < 1342531709 397055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it lists "REX.W + FF /3" as the encoding for call m16:64. < 1342531736 63585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: apparently you need to back up your use of that table with reading both Intel and AMD64 manuals to make sure it's correct < 1342531770 125941 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD955A9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342531796 596641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have a CALL ptr16:64, i.e. the direct far call with a 64-bit offset, though. < 1342531813 106492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure that's not what the AMD manual is saying? < 1342531819 709078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to open that *too*. < 1342531838 334751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to actually refer to the manual right now, that quote is from the page-with-the-table < 1342531868 515693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Okay. I was just wondering, since it says "the operand is selector + offset" and not something like "the operand is a reference to" or "pointer to" or whatever. < 1342531910 695213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it's not, since the whole ptr16:32 thing is listed as invalid in 64-bit mode. < 1342531927 417953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's a memory operand, "the operand" is the thing stored over there in memory? at least that would be one way to use the terms < 1342531936 48461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. < 1342532041 856092 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: where's the manual? < 1342532070 207256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere on the web sites of the respective companies :P < 1342532075 836539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can follow the links from http://pastehtml.com/view/bsruyd6oe.html < 1342532084 972095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has both AMD and Intel ones. < 1342532099 647180 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1342532104 852036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's combined manual PDF has only 4181 pages, it's nice light reading. < 1342532113 366757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you on ##asm? is it a good channel? < 1342532136 851529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's not, it's a freenode programming channel. < 1342532150 858684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's silence punctuated with stupid questions. < 1342532186 699483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'd have hoped assembly programming had enough of a barrier to sort out the stupid questions < 1342532191 353759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps approximately three "conversations" per day or so. < 1342532210 992777 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is the best channel on freenode < 1342532211 380116 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1342532255 780294 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342532266 916094 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so it was good idea to not use #esoteric command on oonbotti to span ascii goatse < 1342532270 866751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there are non-stupid questions. But it's still quite a quiet place. < 1342532275 419639 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spam < 1342532358 61522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they kept the call gates in amd64 < 1342532366 528801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Here's an example question for you, to estimate the level: I mean, if I copy 4 bytes to the eax registry, and then copy another 4 (using mov), will the first 4 be replaced or can EAX "store" 2 * 4 bytes? < 1342532384 489828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1342532387 600239 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1342532424 355819 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did he think that would work? < 1342532424 660402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also remember something similar about storing a string in a register. They were wondering if there's any kind of limit when you put a string in there. < 1342532432 928985 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1342532449 941640 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are assembly programmers really this stupid nowadays < 1342532535 748100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm not sure I get Assembly.. so I would appreciate it strongly if you guys could help me, what exactly is the point of using MOV? I get that you copy data, but why would you do that? Also, EAX is a 32 bit registry, but does that mean it can contain 4 bytes max at once, or multiple times 4 bytes? < 1342532554 435885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I mean, is MOV faster than for example, copying a var in C++ or so? < 1342532571 117952 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1342532573 314483 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1342532582 846826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of stuff. < 1342532589 173475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1342532644 466674 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quote < olsner> I wonder why they kept the call gates in amd64) why not? is there a better replacement? < 1342532693 518147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think syscall was supposed to be the One True entry to kernel mode < 1342532749 674593 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Wouldn't interrupt work? < 1342532784 296959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but interrupts (and call gates, for that matter) are as I understand it much slower than syscall < 1342532850 825365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I would think call gates are still there to cater for the same people who are running operating systems that use all four privilege levels too. < 1342532941 135552 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does syscall only support 2? < 1342532948 944268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose... or for OS:es that extensively use call gates in their 32-bit ABI, and need to support 32-bit on 64-bit < 1342533001 139959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :syscall is I believe only useful for the usual ring 0 / ring 3 split. < 1342533034 281052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could've added a "attempt to call a call gate from 32-bit" entry-point similar to syscall, that 64-bit oses need to implement if they use it < 1342533105 651196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just reserve the opcode and call the undefined instruction interrupt when old code tries to use it :) < 1342533193 18073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think User Mode Linux did some trickery that involved ring 1/2. Or maybe Xen before the hardware-supported virtualization days. Something, anyway. < 1342533206 958076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/13868/ so hacky. < 1342533476 741284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1342533499 558193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that thing was ever used for anything at all. < 1342533533 837151 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it can't be used on many other archs < 1342533589 285401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I guess they need the call gates to support pure 32-bit code running on 64-bit processors anyway < 1342533698 798578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho, coLinux has still received updates in 2011. That's also such a kludgey-feeling thing. < 1342533749 417340 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coLinux.... < 1342533765 904955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the thing where you run a Linux kernel alongside a Windows in ring 0. < 1342533771 410088 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1342533780 638629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1342533795 997509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Windows driver you install, and that takes care of negotiating things. < 1342533798 622391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, their screenshots have them running Cygwin/XFree86 to display stuff running in coLinux < 1342533809 625203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Linux kernel has been patched to be extra careful. < 1342533810 13221 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342533824 634438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it doesn't do any direct hardware access from the Linux side. < 1342533832 614093 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342533837 821026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that'd confuse the Windows. < 1342533857 157868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you can allocate some devices for Linux-exclusive use, but anyway. < 1342533901 128973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does coLinux run in linux too? < 1342533918 832356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I thought it was Windows-only. < 1342533922 759071 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be interestingg < 1342533934 270602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of the MkLinux setup I had; that one runs a Linux kernel as a single thread in the Mach microkernel. People do the weirdest things. < 1342533961 474071 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version is mklinux on nowadays? < 1342533988 533574 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what kind of hw did you use? < 1342534000 297849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Latest stable release: Pre-R2 / 2002-08-05" says Wikipedia. I think it was the same back when I fiddled with it. < 1342534014 550435 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1342534042 411934 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean linux kernel version < 1342534102 489051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0.thirty-something, I believe. < 1342534106 732955 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. found it. it has 2.0 kernel < 1342534109 640337 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342534129 365620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I ran it on a Performa... 5260? Something like that. < 1342534141 840343 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it run anything else than nubus ppc macs? < 1342534192 548269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it runs on PCI PPC things too. < 1342534211 465227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you could probably run a regular PPC Linux on those. < 1342534240 304966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on some. < 1342534249 376816 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. normal ppc linux is not strange enough < 1342534308 679548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think NuBus PowerMacs can generally speaking really run anything else than MkLinux; at least, it was the only thing I could make working on my Performa. < 1342534316 318330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of "working", anyway. < 1342534338 195833 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. there are ports for intel, PA-RISC and ppc < 1342534426 514127 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools" < 1342534455 792601 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342534577 95856 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they explain an algorithm, give an example and a bit of pseudocode that's riddiculously high-level and then leave You to figure out details and jump between figures and snippets spread all over the chapter < 1342534658 310357 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still amusing < 1342534700 417367 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how high-level? < 1342534875 302955 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342534905 413033 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an abstract algebra textbook sprinkled with for ... in ... and if ... then keywords :P < 1342534926 739837 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual code examples are mainly in C < 1342534928 460552 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1342534929 950937 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342534969 785359 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342534981 955506 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw 3 pseudocode listings that'd fit on a single page < 1342535001 749526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/ddci < 1342535010 504940 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 60.2 < 1342535060 946482 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342535082 994390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/WQUE < 1342535086 102469 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 59.7 < 1342535092 930530 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK, let's implement this in C" i thought and I suddenly end up with my own implementation of HashSet and several other utilities to back up the actual algorithm < 1342535117 104266 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like 100LOC itself < 1342535137 277733 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342535186 503604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sell haskell as pseudo-code < 1342535201 427736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows haskell so nobody complains that it is not actual pseudo-code :) < 1342535222 654432 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :P < 1342535228 127655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/VQTd < 1342535231 55335 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 59.3 < 1342535268 448636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh_again (>+>-)*4>[>][-][<][+] < 1342535271 78310 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh_again: 1.3 < 1342535301 520988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/JQYR < 1342535304 519247 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 60.4 < 1342535308 828085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust muh_again (>+>-)*4([>][-])*50 < 1342535311 581874 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_muh_again: 1.3 < 1342535334 93654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not knowing how big the tape is is somewhat awkward. < 1342535336 896508 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell actually compiles to C < 1342535348 599526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Well < 1342535350 533925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342535351 400384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1342535352 84749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342535360 290901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can compile to c. < 1342535367 121959 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342535373 428190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has a native backend. < 1342535447 462300 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could retype the listings in haskell and obtain C form and then write glue in C :D < 1342535544 504309 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Calling_Haskell_from_C like here < 1342536588 426547 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342536643 439181 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342537180 488646 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342537397 85754 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-116.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342537644 824919 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342539668 21630 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: and the actual code examples are mainly in C < and Java < 1342539863 888185 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD955A9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342539994 979302 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you don't happen to have solutions to any of the exercises somewhere? That would be nice :D < 1342540992 222917 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/JGn2l because i can't get enough of this < 1342541628 752346 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD955A9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342541730 807203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-151-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342541732 616694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-177.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342542500 403824 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D008.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342543171 19619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342543171 220917 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342543171 221094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342543171 650566 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342543184 622527 :kallisti!~eris@h20.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342543184 786436 :kallisti!~eris@h20.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342543184 786593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342543579 648162 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342544244 22683 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342544244 186593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1342544244 186762 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342545704 10534 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342546126 6497 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D008.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342546277 598287 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D008.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342546737 882702 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342546738 864001 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342546978 27641 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342547546 159278 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-116.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342549286 584813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342549510 416307 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342551500 304544 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342551550 580806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : haskell actually compiles to C < 1342551575 230586 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :certain compilers compile haskell to C < 1342551587 680864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest one does so very reluctantly < 1342551615 323012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the efficient C backend in ghc has been discontinued, there's still a slow portable one for assisting porting < 1342551623 927964 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342551653 116128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess jhc may compile to C? < 1342551668 372437 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does < 1342551784 262854 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the efficient "C" backend didn't really produce C < 1342551804 73838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the current efficient ghc backends are llvm and native code < 1342551819 521713 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i think i don't have the solutions < 1342551833 64290 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produced eldritch horrors accepted by certain versions of GCC, and then post-processed the assembly output with a thousand line perl script called the Evil Mangler < 1342551840 538063 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I think everyone is happy to be rid of that < 1342551878 351992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does ghc contain any perl still? < 1342551903 15818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1342551915 872995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1342551917 129578 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard there was a much smaller mangler for LLVM < 1342551926 33652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342551930 812122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they may have got the necessary features into mainline LLVM and done away with that too < 1342551942 738590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relating to tables-next-to-code optimization, iirc < 1342551954 703710 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i can explain if anyone would like to hear about it < 1342551988 552636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows more or less
< 1342552002 568257 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: :( < 1342552079 789913 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342552093 782784 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1342552112 742542 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seriously thinking about writing these algorithms in haskell and then interfacing with C code < 1342552125 107319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's FFI is nice and simple < 1342552128 71843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do it < 1342552139 913520 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you should consider it seriously anyway < 1342552155 854811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting complex data structures between the two languages is still a pain < 1342552160 386585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/browser/driver/split/ghc-split.lprl seems to still be used, the module object splitter < 1342552162 252236 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :largely because C sucks at complex datastructures < 1342552171 246177 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1342552212 200835 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd try to design it in such way that i just input a tree and get a directed graph with labels < 1342552235 750897 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342552249 431328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that when one is supposed to use one of the libraries for whycantiremembertheword < 1342552263 534431 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell would take care of walking the trees, building sets, mangling sets and making sets of sets < 1342552290 172237 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342552295 688082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :serialization < 1342552316 35369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never used the ffi anyway
< 1342552327 716418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*directly, i suppose < 1342552364 716345 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what algorithm is this < 1342552535 61895 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a deterministic finite automaton straight from a regexp's parse tree < 1342552566 850235 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then minimizing the number of states of that automaton < 1342552629 535179 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly a regexp but I'm just basing on that algorithm because my concept has many similarities < 1342552634 435528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342552661 833408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: serializing to a byte stream is a different problem from marshalling to C data structures in memory < 1342552666 784590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you can solve the latter with the former < 1342552677 903038 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less efficiently < 1342552698 988639 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know your interface can be that Haskell writes a blob of JSON into a C string and then C parses it < 1342552709 232007 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodgy < 1342552878 741863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsat < 1342552912 91490 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bodgy < 1342552922 972976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342553020 169776 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that word from watching Dave Jones' EEVlog < 1342553064 339429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342553067 160846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342553077 941446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a hack, but it might also be the quickest way to Get Shit Done < 1342553249 178409 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly believe that using multiple languages often makes sense for getting shit done < 1342553265 441829 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this requires minimizing the effort overhead of interoperation < 1342553294 176947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which usually means picking simple, standard, text-based data formats < 1342553404 746368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the currently trendy school of webapp design is all about using many languages on many machines interacting through loose text-based protocols < 1342553419 907953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is unnecessary, but i still think it's a good principle overall < 1342553423 177905 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? < 1342553534 899112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have your frontend app, your batch processing daemons, your database(s), your caching servers, etc. < 1342553544 767747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all communicate over some message bus, or just JSON over HTTP < 1342553559 764458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting recent trend is to extend this down to the client < 1342553610 913761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than generating and serving HTML, you serve up a static Javascript application which talks to the same JSON APIs as everything else < 1342553652 715597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produces DOM nodes client-side using a Javascript MVC or such < 1342553656 375836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know this world < 1342553660 941180 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as an outsider, that sounds like a good idea < 1342553810 859463 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I was just making those exercices about deterministic finite automata < 1342553865 858675 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bye! < 1342553869 196867 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342554920 812926 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342555003 667934 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342555111 16462 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342555115 499602 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1342555127 769035 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342555127 999352 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342555128 183441 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1342555184 384075 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342556644 790454 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342557177 912873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It also reduces the complexity and payload of your webapp. < 1342557179 277228 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342557196 116146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it completele removes the design of the webpage < 1342557210 703000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your webapp is completely loose from html at all. < 1342557230 352635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it easier to port to other stuff. < 1342557441 398357 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean by "removes the design of the webpage" < 1342557452 628 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1342557453 118903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need design if you want it to look good < 1342557481 426434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the HTML (or DOM nodes) are produced by client-side javascript rather than server side < 1342557559 811123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It removes the design of the webpage from the server side. < 1342557574 690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the html structure. < 1342557581 33758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the server side logic, yes < 1342557589 85988 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hopefully you are separating logic from presentation anyway < 1342557592 890110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1342557602 435702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the design is still something you serve, of course < 1342557603 868927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't in a traditional application. < 1342557614 790451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your server serves html, then you are bound to that. < 1342557638 421016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you separate logic from presentation by using HTML templates and a MVC layer < 1342557642 139931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can seperate it in the logic of your server side code as good as you can < 1342557670 858105 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:///etc/group: Unsupported scheme `file'. < 1342569126 628551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1342569143 379941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Just use cp; if that won't work then there would be no reason for file: to work either. < 1342569159 424613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch isn't in the umlbox < 1342569163 340327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas cp is < 1342569323 584236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps they do not want you to be able to access file outside of the umlbox < 1342569355 570009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a point, you know < 1342569470 278841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I had never considered that. < 1342569486 222415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Gregor wanted me to access arbitrary files from the host filesystem. < 1342569495 600932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense now. < 1342569525 500929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 the Wise