< 1342915202 708181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1342915214 755598 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And New South Wales. < 1342915217 888168 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme < 1342915218 436722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood that one. < 1342915237 187217 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one time independent Scotland tried to set up a colony, they picked one of the worst spots on Earth to try to colonize < 1342915274 948838 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was such a ruinous disaster that they had to join the UK < 1342915284 929933 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, a uk. I don't think it was called "the UK" until later.) < 1342915290 125349 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well Scots are kind of incompetent. < 1342915293 72019 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1342915303 470140 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What spot? < 1342915307 244036 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Nahl_1850%2C_Der_Isthmus_von_Panama_auf_der_H%C3%B6he_des_Chagres_River.jpg Scotland. < 1342915310 747454 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, it was the plan all along. < 1342915313 914431 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isthmus_of_Panama, presumably. < 1342915329 29135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we get free prescriptions and university; WHO IS THE REAL LOSER? < 1342915339 743728 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden? < 1342915353 48440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Darien gap, a bit of swampland between Panama and Colombia < 1342915362 311524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swamp is trying very hard to kill you < 1342915364 705238 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many held the English responsible while believing that they could and should assist in yet another effort at making the scheme work." < 1342915367 602321 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure, blame the English. < 1342915378 873261 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the edge of the Darien gap last summer < 1342915379 979021 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "Although the scheme failed, it has been seen as marking the beginning of the country's transformation into a modern nation oriented toward business. Within a generation, Scotland had one of the most advanced commercial cultures in the world." < 1342915386 133974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only gap in the Pan-American Highway, which otherwise runs from the tip of Argentina up to Alaska < 1342915393 867376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE TRAIN OUR BUSINESS SKILLS THE DWARF FORTRESS WAY < 1342915399 888345 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with New Caledonia. Can someone explain that to me? < 1342915400 618163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the panamanian authorities try very hard to discourage you from going down there < 1342915401 509645 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe Scotland will be independent again sometime soon < 1342915403 576599 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we persevered < 1342915410 166364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: woah < 1342915415 247075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think < 1342915426 712079 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Sud_NC.JPG It is quite pretty, at least. < 1342915426 863291 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we went to the end of the highway :) < 1342915431 207790 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know why it's called New Caledonia. < 1342915433 374406 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt very isolated :) < 1342915436 658777 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a little town at the end of it < 1342915437 153552 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's new about it? What's Caledonia about it? < 1342915442 348265 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, it was named by Captain Cook and the French got it later? < 1342915443 993990 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved it down there < 1342915450 99556 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently everywhere looks like Scotland. < 1342915462 295962 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also found a local tribe and slept on a hammock in their village with no running water or electricity < 1342915470 379498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sud_NC.JPG < 1342915484 534109 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this american dude who had decided to abandon his comfortable life, and drove a beat-up truck down to panama and was living with them in exchange for labor and use of his truck < 1342915488 376988 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He didn't even colonise the place and slaughter the locals and he gets to name it???? < 1342915491 700881 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS NOT HOW CIVILISATION WORKS < 1342915501 861708 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Sud_NC.JPG It is quite pretty, at least.) < 1342915511 406878 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter how much you think this doesn't look like Scotland. < 1342915517 691166 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :panama is an awesome place to visit, I think < 1342915523 184571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have underestimated how much it doesn't look like Scotland. < 1342915676 315201 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a point to that? < 1342915710 767673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I was just surprised. < 1342915884 457283 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, er, I was commenting on what was going on in #haskell minutes ago when you were in here? < 1342915888 318291 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And talking in #haskell also? < 1342915903 942566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were logreading. < 1342915977 520997 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined so I could more accurately inform kmc about what makes #haskell bad. < 1342916261 707251 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell does not look like scotland < 1342916425 639754 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says how horrid slough is, but the bits i can see from this flat seem nicer than most US suburbs < 1342916483 457386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roads are narrow, and there are lots of shops within walking distance, and 5 min walk away a train station with frequent service to the metropolis < 1342916500 390178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(langley (berks) station, not slough station) < 1342916534 586517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's comparable to the bits of Palo Alto near the train station < 1342916537 571477 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was properly nastier in the Olden Days < 1342916546 418468 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like that persist < 1342916575 860846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342916603 650190 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i saw the statue of John Betjeman ("Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! / It isn't fit for humans now") at St Pancras station < 1342916638 75584 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were at kings cross but st pancras is next door and the toilets there are free < 1342916641 30280 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yet see: However, on the centenary of Betjeman's birth, his daughter apologised for the poem. Candida Lycett-Green said her father "regretted having ever written it". During her visit, Mrs Lycett-Green presented Mayor of Slough David MacIsaac with a book of her father's poems. In it was written: "We love Slough".[1] < 1342916649 811683 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1342916650 350429 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoops" < 1342916676 694099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it probably did suck in 1937 < 1342916684 641334 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was written in protest against 850 factories that were to be built" < 1342916700 476352 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2005, Ian McMillan published a poem titled Slough Re-visited using the same metre and rhyme-scheme as Betjeman's original, but celebrating Slough and rejecting mockery of the town as unfair.[2] < 1342916706 88153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there were cows grazing right next to the sidewalk in cambridge < 1342916718 480556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in like a dense touristy part (next to the river) < 1342916718 847596 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the least cool thing ever < 1342916727 813097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cows? or standing up for slough < 1342916766 351871 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is something profoundly ridiculous and snore-inducing about taking an anti-slough poem and using it to write Hey Maybe Slough Isn't All That Bad After All by ripping off its structure < 1342916790 537036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342916794 915115 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's All Just Get Along And Not Make Nasty Poems (structure taken from Fuck Everybody Everything Sucks) < 1342916800 102214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being nice isn't cool < 1342916805 203001 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1342916807 407098 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? being nice 1000 times < 1342917021 206954 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too many. < 1342917024 536810 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who could be nice 1000 times? < 1342917105 124966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate two dozen jaffa cakes today < 1342917140 307354 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> Term b) (Scope a -> Term (Scope b))... I had an elegant definition for this < 1342917142 147230 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is a lot. < 1342917204 632639 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1000 kcal < 1342917257 734287 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure recommended daily amount thingies work that way. < 1342917272 520629 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342917315 16314 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was meant to be a bad joke. < 1342917319 116209 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now it's an even worse joke, because it failed. < 1342917320 624821 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ' ( < 1342917325 563990 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I require a rainbow to feel better. < 1342917326 115332 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 < 1342917326 479307 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1342917354 880576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1342917380 89191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the UK thinks i should eat 25% more food than the USA < 1342917395 56412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. one dozen jaffa cakes more < 1342917530 706974 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Phantom_Hoover about jaffa cakes < 1342917549 920400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about jaffa cakes? < 1342917608 896538 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1342917724 168209 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342917858 832251 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I feel thingied. Thingied. You know, the thing where you are proven right. That thing. < 1342917866 369658 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I just read Slough Revisited and it's awful.) < 1342917871 506892 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it was... made for Volvic???) < 1342917873 161348 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vindicated! < 1342917916 329855 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! That. < 1342917925 587818 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.uktouring.org.uk/ian-mcmillan/index.html YOU TOO CAN ENJOY SLOUGH REVISITED < 1342917946 997384 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't wanna < 1342918043 844510 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll paste all of it in the channel so nobody is left out. :p < 1342918045 693232 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I won't actually.) < 1342918918 775443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342919114 946142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, JAFFA CAKES ARE FUCKING AWFUL < 1342919131 290778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if Csound or any expansion or UDO or whatever can support these kind of commands: "famicom_square" (2A03 square channel) "famicom_tri" (2A03 triangle channel) "famicom_noise" (2A03 noise channel) "famicom_dpcm" (2A03 DPCM channel) "famicom_2a03_multi" (2A03 triangle+noise+DPCM) "famicom_vrc6_square" (VRC6 square wave) "famicom_vrc6_saw" (VRC6 saw wave) < 1342919132 7728 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE FUCKING AWFUL FOR EATING THEM < 1342919230 936903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"famicom_vrc7" (VRC7/OPLL FM synthesis) "famicom_mmc5" (MMC5 square wave) "famicom_n106" (N106) "famicom_disksystem" (Famicom Disk System audio) "freqmod" (use input as modulator wave and table as carrier wave) "impulse_tracker" (emulate a channel of Impulse Tracker playback with sample, instrument, and effect) "framecount" (total frames since start of file) < 1342919241 738849 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: blasphemy < 1342919326 699721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"diskinmidi" (read MIDI events from file) "diskoutmidi" (write MIDI events to file) "dtmf" (make DTMF tones, blue box, red box, dial tone, busy signal, etc) "SoXsynth" (make synthesis like SoX "synth" effect) "dtmfin" (read DTMF/blue box/red box tone) "plot" (vector drawing) "pipeorgan" (pipe organ) "resonates" (string resonating from another string) "guqin" (Chinese guqin) "gameboy" (GameBoy audio) < 1342919327 332104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, you had a JaffaCake? < 1342919418 748241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c64sid" (Commodore 64 SID audio) "metronome" (metronome) "differentiate" (make derivative of audio respect to time) "integrate" (make antiderivative of audio respect to time) "tapehiss" (simulation of magnetic audio tape hissing noise) "drawbar" (Hammond drawbar organ) "ephemeris" (read NASA JPL ephemeris data) < 1342919459 533013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"joystick" (read joystick axis) "amiga" (Amiga .MOD channel) "rotaryspeaker" (rotary speakers) < 1342919533 44789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of anything like that? < 1342919640 630888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also add a score command to adjust the control rate. < 1342920025 61299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use Csound? < 1342920399 758616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342920420 179486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342921940 577075 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch ' rm -rf /; ' < 1342921943 355396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `\' rm -rf ' < 1342921957 990757 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste ' rm -rf /; ' < 1342921961 292457 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13438 \ cat: ' rm -rf /; ': No such file or directory < 1342921975 951584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You can just `run rm -rf /, you know. < 1342921986 252971 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm well aware < 1342921989 3568 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would do something else. < 1342921994 575570 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch and paste are not in the sandbox < 1342922263 861531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1342922274 326494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type fetch < 1342922276 846153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: type: fetch: not found < 1342922284 949638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1342922509 558866 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :networking in general isn't allowed < 1342923533 174382 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342924609 795655 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342924683 123618 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342924889 893512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342925126 920579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342925532 690528 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342925626 597403 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342925958 630027 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1342926091 37534 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342926213 62401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342926347 802939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342926383 247228 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342926682 782059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342926708 294669 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342926998 966140 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342927023 287022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342928002 769458 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342928135 363309 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11597246/which-keyboard-keyboard-layout-will-be-most-suitable-for-haskell-programming < 1342928749 742500 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: the answerer completely missed the mistae. < 1342928751 556504 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+k < 1342928764 625989 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm too lazy to SO < 1342928791 879425 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I'm busy talking past them in #haskell. < 1342929644 780626 :20WAAXGSE!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342932362 662564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read the background story I wrote for my Dungeons&Dragons characters? 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:#esoteric < 1342935793 758689 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1342935793 758765 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1342935793 758843 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybmhhwzscvphmari JOIN :#esoteric < 1342935793 758920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1342935795 606518 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342935796 430158 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1342935796 744462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342935796 744606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1342936299 768043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342936533 651859 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342936561 75203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1342936910 809639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1342937246 832707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the text above? < 1342939104 960640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" If you're familiar with using HTML tables to do layout, you'll feel right at home here." < 1342939299 933757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see message about Dungeons&Dragons related? < 1342939314 853519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What is that quotation refering to? < 1342939334 84083 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/grid.html < 1342939339 23652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1342939730 350081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Unuse command in this track. < 1342941127 546795 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342941640 927159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342941701 214459 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342941752 911278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah stupid dns errors keep returning < 1342941762 800803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try a reboot < 1342941764 428777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1342941812 124253 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342941854 705072 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342942039 920787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342942256 307159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I have 797 sysctls under net.* and 233 under everything else. < 1342942262 935249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a major imbalance in the sysctls < 1342942282 332692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that reboot (of both the laptop and the router) seemed to help < 1342942306 379263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but you didn't identify the underlying cause!? < 1342942355 351339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well my laptop had been unrebooted for a while (just hibernated), sometimes it gets weird. and i already tried just the router before once. < 1342942357 551114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my phone the ratio is even more absurd: 921 vs. 123 < 1342942389 970740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there are per-interface sysctls < 1342942420 489128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it can get memory errors or something like that. < 1342942459 115383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION retains his right to consider computer hardware magic
< 1342942492 776230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run memtest then < 1342942495 656017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you remember the PCRE syntax for negative lookaheads? < 1342942510 18496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but man perlre < 1342942523 951253 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!foo) < 1342942533 43634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1342942537 208066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, thanks < 1342942554 685321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah it isn't fixed anyhow, it happened with a website again < 1342942565 170619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, why isn't it workin < 1342942587 798791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342942677 759064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like every website times out on first try, then works fine. happened to putty as well. (although adobe ran an update fine.) < 1342942693 774354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right 250 net.* sysctls if I drop all the interface specific ones (and just include the "all" variant for those) < 1342942699 562356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still more than non-network related ones < 1342942717 278402 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was the result of memtest86+? < 1342942725 76912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcregrep -v '^net\.ipv[46]\.(neigh|conf)\.(?!all)' < 1342942766 706507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's memory any more < 1342942775 724436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is that a windows program? >:) < 1342942784 144787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is not a linux one, nor a windows one < 1342942784 534880 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because memtest86+ didn’t find memory errors? < 1342942795 162250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you basically boot into memtest86+ < 1342942803 340960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you put it on an USB disk or CD or whatever < 1342942809 953846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't run under any OS < 1342942820 173929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is little reason to “think” that it is a RAM problem or that it is not. Just run the damn test. ;-) < 1342942853 726908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...booting from a disk? i have _never_ done that on this computer. < 1342942853 890792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :memtest86+ is the first thing you run on a new computer. After that you run full SATA tests from a boot CD < 1342942863 989246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, USB stick < 1342942865 718514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1342942878 879566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably fits on a floppy too < 1342942881 126789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want that < 1342942882 154006 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably can netboot memtest as well. < 1342942883 455163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I put it in my GRUB menu < 1342942889 972933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never _used_ an usb stick although i have one in the original wrapping :P < 1342942905 716838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, oh come on, setting up a netboot server under windows (which oerjan uses) would be painful < 1342942907 154887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing has no floppy disk < 1342942908 994177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible < 1342942914 130977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, magnetic drum! < 1342942950 130874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why the heck would a memory problem affect my connection _now_, after a full reboot. < 1342942974 190273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well your memory may be failing < 1342942982 939207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other issues? < 1342943036 565972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm going to be trying to make GUIs, might as well read various User Interface guidelines < 1342943060 932306 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with Windows because I'm on Windows right now < 1342943098 653344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, those are basically "this goes into this menu, and cancel is on the right/left of OK" < 1342943130 592059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what are you making a GUI for < 1342943137 591946 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I remember that the guy behind Bonobo Conspiracy disagreed with something < 1342943142 569095 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, right now, I just want to learn < 1342943153 205487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do plan on making an IRC bot fairly soon < 1342943165 452917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bonobo Conspiracy"? < 1342943166 975417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1342943220 775028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A webcomic < 1342943224 885152 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't run anymore < 1342943236 747355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/181 < 1342943238 505849 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: The bonobo conspiracy: monkeys demolished building seven. < 1342943279 288195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the stuff about what goes into what menu is kind of useless. On windows, the settings option in firefox is in a different menu than in linux. Yet another menu on OS X iirc < 1342943309 854592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you basically have to know the guideline for the OS to find it on first try anyway. And far from all programs follow them. < 1342943351 365439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially, stuff like "settings is under edit/tools/-menu" is useless < 1342943393 277194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only truly shared conventions are useful ones < 1342943430 664072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is worse for stuff to move around when you use the same program on multiple platforms than it is to not follow the platform ordering of the menus < 1342943469 420000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't think it is my computer, since the websites which loaded just _before_ i rebooted still load afterward. as does this national newspaper site which i haven't visited since yesterday. < 1342943490 531380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, try another computer on the same network? < 1342943492 957070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly suspect some dns server < 1342943505 734852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't have any. < 1342943511 215087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, okay try using google's DNS server then in your network settings < 1342943513 476200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.8.8.8 < 1342943522 262576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe i should do that < 1342943530 162848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't remember what their secondary one is < 1342943592 809476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4, 2001:4860:4860::8888 and 2001:4860:4860::8844 < 1342944078 921901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i managed to change that, let's see if that helps < 1342944105 235045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it remarkably easy to write one very trivial script in Tcl, and suddenly I like it? < 1342944515 249055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what is the question here? < 1342944551 711389 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My surprise at liking a language less for theoretical reasons and more for how easy it was to get started using it for something interesting. < 1342944573 829953 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although making a web page based on the contents of a directory hardly counts as interesting probabl < 1342944575 338537 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1342945685 719425 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342945773 102910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1342945802 553044 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342945811 84493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342945864 707147 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342946270 753748 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : def a = 6 < 1342946270 913529 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : def b = 7 < 1342946271 65021 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : def mul {a b} = {expr {$a * $b}} < 1342946611 998613 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should be creeped out by Tk's reliance on global variables < 1342946718 63965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't give your wish scripts the same name as any of the widgets provided by Tk. It will cause problems with wish trying to apply options for those widgets to your program as a whole. Try the file name example.tcl." < 1342946752 155503 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342947261 703595 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342947318 613559 :nautilux!~user@236.Red-80-32-153.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342947333 170378 :nautilux!~user@236.Red-80-32-153.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342947609 179868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nautilux < 1342947618 712612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nautilux: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1342948075 680848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i see an apparently persistent, long-time wikipedia anonymous ip vandal that no one seems to have noticed -- and decide it's simply too much work to do anything about it. < 1342948095 405058 :nautilux!~user@236.Red-80-32-153.staticIP.rima-tde.net PART #esoteric :"Saliendo" < 1342948163 502138 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, o.O? < 1342948174 48537 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky? < 1342948178 464223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the scoundrel "adjusts" population data in several louisiana pages.) < 1342948206 187070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.65.184.247 < 1342948226 635304 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism < 1342948247 281570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'm supposed to give warnings first. what the heck is the point? < 1342948328 307987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of those edits are long since buried by other edits. < 1342948386 609220 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to just link into #wikipedia < 1342948437 994208 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is what I'm going to say, is this ok?: < 1342948439 583283 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone I know in another channel noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.65.184.247 < 1342948451 614147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1342948562 652875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bossier City, Louisiana adjustments equal out to apparently just experimenting < 1342948569 893034 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't look at the others < 1342948637 102621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no they don't. < 1342948670 90675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, missed one < 1342948671 548996 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BFFA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342948674 560188 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only looked at the first and last Bossier City edits, I do see that other pages changes are more permanent < 1342948704 567255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1342948730 421305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of changing numbers, that are hard to detect if you don't look at history. < 1342948788 174971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the one in the main Lousiana page i checked the references, since they were conveniently linked, and they are clearly wrong edits < 1342948796 746746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+i < 1342949263 858883 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah I actually remember my PURL password < 1342949426 948583 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, where can I see a list of PURLs I created? < 1342949548 18444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it, just needed to search < 1342949552 292320 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used bravehost once? < 1342951065 225711 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python really screwed me up < 1342951090 230149 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole yield must be in the text of the function and not just a function that it calls thing < 1342951111 660560 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing Ruby's Fibers seemed cool. Then zzo38's thing for Haskell. Then Tcl. < 1342951119 183572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's the crappy exception here, not the rule. < 1342951135 209861 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python and C# (although I don't know much about the async stuff in .NET 4.0) < 1342952122 734995 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342952162 654120 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sirdancealot7 < 1342952166 848661 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sirdancealot7: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1342952172 587458 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1342952468 127074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 14*15 `div` 2 < 1342952469 408890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 105 < 1342952820 715842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd find it amusing if that parsed as < 1342952821 968373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 14*(15 `div` 2) < 1342952823 176479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead. < 1342952823 327980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 98 < 1342952841 57461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More gotchas" is my motto. < 1342952963 446752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let add = (+); mul = (*) in [3 + 5 * 2, 3 `add` 5 `mul` 2] < 1342952964 566872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [13,16] < 1342953590 707612 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342953662 883242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: `mod` and `div` have sensible fixities assigned in haskell. (same as multiplication/division.) < 1342953709 277885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it _would_ have parsed as you said if they'd had the default ones. < 1342954030 68505 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let add = (+); mul = (*); infixl 6 `add`; infixl 7 `mul` in [3 + 5 * 2, 3 `add` 5 `mul` 2] < 1342954031 608479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [13,13] < 1342954067 779483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0+) < 1342954069 33835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Num.+' [infixl 6] of a section < 1342954069 185166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prece... < 1342954312 869396 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342954376 916559 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342954410 479454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342954682 423740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1342955150 903420 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BFFA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342956102 700085 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342959112 626945 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342962788 839229 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342962850 212273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342963231 967825 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342964583 673232 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342964849 733847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342964852 780875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-130.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342964938 27221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1342965501 929118 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342965919 745070 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342965951 725730 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342966234 775143 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342966437 687651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read compuking . < 1342966503 568215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's also known as king of pumpkins or something like that < 1342967312 712718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342968028 862926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpking? < 1342969015 812475 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342969734 595344 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1342969759 910827 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1342969976 780347 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342970367 83108 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342970874 393763 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1342971074 669962 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342971086 658360 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1342971121 358919 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342971312 193786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1342971422 738401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unable to understand coding logic / principle / convention - why 'Show a' is needed? Why 'Show Car“ or ”Show String" is not working? < 1342971918 160873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on stackoverflow again? < 1342971980 202506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i resist checking for gems like that < 1342972023 933824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you not? < 1342972042 545267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I recently got +100 reputation as an "Association Bonus" < 1342972345 436079 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342972721 962619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11601729 I've decided that "Duporabnikakijeobiskopravil" should replace foo as a metasyntactic variable < 1342972770 774020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1342972850 639523 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eyes, my eyes < 1342972917 702253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342972998 865597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope haskells value unboxing/boxing is pretty fast. < 1342973066 514313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unboxing might not finish at all due to the halting problem and all that < 1342973097 797793 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use $ in JS variable names are the worst kind of people. < 1342973118 462666 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Gregor
< 1342973140 934340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/71949 < 1342973186 288654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I use $_$ ! < 1342973266 600001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fmnssun.ibone.ch/cgi/jlude/mirr/JLude/doc/HTML/files/prelude-js.html#$_$ < 1342973270 98226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that. < 1342973274 11320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :very helpful helper function < 1342973323 365496 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates JQuery's way of doing everything through $()
< 1342973330 478391 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, all JS is ugly < 1342973347 139636 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some .Equals() are more equal than others < 1342973356 924843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: lul < 1342973373 385736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_$(reverse,flip(ladd,"foo"))("hallo") < 1342973374 703630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such. < 1342973440 206640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was bored during bookkeeping lectures so I started hacking together haskells prelude in Javascript :) < 1342973451 82531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a neat trick, but it works. < 1342973481 367151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I think you can choose your own name for the jQuery function if you want to < 1342973527 668115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it map's nicely to haskell most of the time. < 1342973575 131869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like map (head&&&length) . group -> $c(map(pairWith(head,length)),group) < 1342973606 60046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-' < 1342973627 699549 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's &&&? < 1342973647 567847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some hacking I think you could write that as map(head,"&&&",length).group < 1342973651 593832 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me that takes the logical and of head with the address of length, but I'm guessing it doesn't do that in JS < 1342973677 590961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :&&& is Arrow magic :) < 1342973678 435255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell's Control.Arrow the &&& operation means to do both operation and the pair of the result < 1342973687 850701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but essentially it takes two functions < 1342973693 293713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(&&&) :: (a -> b) -> (a -> c) -> a -> (b,c) < 1342973699 231476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and applies them to the same value collecting the result in a pair < 1342973704 14547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically any arrow (~>) instead of (->), but that's irrelevant.) < 1342973724 132333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Control.Arrow Data.List> (+5) &&& (+3) $ 2 < 1342973724 283710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7,5) < 1342973729 822148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that. < 1342973764 948398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fmnssun.ibone.ch/cgi/jlude/mirr/JLude/doc/HTML/files/prelude-js.html#pairWith < 1342973791 279631 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away screaming and eats chocolate
< 1342973835 40540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Probably @some hacking < 1342973838 880162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I stopped working on that < 1342973848 362355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookkeeping lectures are over so... :D < 1342973868 512976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I barely passed the bookkeeping final exam so... < 1342973869 58499 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so &&& is Lxyz.(xz,yz)? < 1342973878 880003 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342973886 846826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1342973887 387895 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't end sentences with so... < 1342973896 230397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your lambda calculus supports pairs like that ;) < 1342973954 480246 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well there's a reasonable way of defining the PAIR function that then allows you to write &&& := Lxyz.(PAIRxz)yz < 1342973955 111411 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1342973964 628312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xyz.((\x.y\n.nxy)(xz)yz) probably. < 1342973974 512503 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342973981 817538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\xy. < 1342974009 451252 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342974034 208841 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I can't work out where that emendation applies to < 1342974051 747387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAIR is \xy.\n.nxy < 1342974083 38830 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not \xyn.nxy? < 1342974103 216214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are the same. < 1342974111 669171 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I thought they were < 1342974112 534580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like to distinguish the inner function. < 1342974119 937719 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1342974139 393801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less confusing to some people. < 1342974146 267689 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd rather you didn't use \ for lambda, I read it as escape. Particularly lambda n < 1342974162 52588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ is the usual ascii symbol for lambda? < 1342974162 711316 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1342974168 564521 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342974171 157622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ hallo < 1342974171 309480 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1342974173 177225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ why < 1342974173 328375 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1342974175 282704 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered at first why your PAIR function had a newline in < 1342974176 213369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\why < 1342974216 69722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is oonbotti? < 1342974223 279231 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it is my7 bot < 1342974225 604804 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-7 < 1342974230 34993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he does? < 1342974238 552980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Mugabe Relativity Rating? < 1342974255 650870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the name of a dictator? < 1342974259 391466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ex-dictator somewhere? < 1342974278 586731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1342974287 466788 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: iterpret forth with prefix \, talk to you with prefix oonbotti: and other things with prefix #help < 1342974295 467378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1342974296 293082 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth, #eliza < 1342974315 927691 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti means "I'm a bot" < 1342974316 791477 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Can you elaborate on that? < 1342974321 719837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza I saw a ghost last night! < 1342974321 897987 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you elaborate on that? < 1342974334 398038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza He was green. < 1342974334 549145 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very interesting. < 1342974340 992080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Can you help me? < 1342974341 756661 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could help you, then what? < 1342974350 128935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Then I'm healed! < 1342974350 280266 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's change focus a bit... Tell me about your family. < 1342974367 616840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza I have three wifes, two kids < 1342974367 768018 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you really three wifes, two kids? < 1342974369 623139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: foo < 1342974370 527926 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax < 1342974378 707126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax < 1342974378 858573 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me more. < 1342974378 858782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Yes, I have < 1342974379 10274 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem quite sure. < 1342974397 660720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Where's your drunk sister? < 1342974397 851438 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1342974435 464506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Why are you not drunk?! < 1342974435 615886 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you tell me the reason why am me not drunk?!? < 1342974452 406029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1342974469 94112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammar! < 1342974499 311163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza しずか！ < 1342974499 462508 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very interesting. < 1342974530 183016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax < 1342974531 11740 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so could do something like this < 1342974533 715514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :853) olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax < 1342974533 866652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a poem. < 1342974549 310620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1342974549 787393 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1342974616 823622 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342974621 360548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1342974621 938224 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1342974635 974959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: We must fight with pride, mustn't we? < 1342974639 369848 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: establishments, ancient, on the conduct and duty of. fnord on the coast of guinea. a gang of " fnord de fnord, was barren, and the success complete. a second edition with fnord and kent with 282, exhibit a far greater alacrity and satisfaction in tracing resemblances than in searching for differences: because by making resemblances we produce new fnord we unite, we create, we enlarge our fnord but i cannot just now be a < 1342974653 586125 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Fnord on the coast of Guinea | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342974655 375099 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :m���a���r�����@����su��ibone.ch: now then, it be a sin which he never thought any of these things that it was my duty to obey your summons, though i have to be put to the utmost. since that declaration was made four years have fnord and ingeniously compared anarchy and fnord but that which they regard as containing the best system is that in which he sails may be endangered by fnord it with his spoon. it is notorious that the g < 1342974674 430785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord it with his spoon! < 1342974686 990839 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems fnord heavy today < 1342974691 625596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Fnord on the coast of Guinea | FNORD IT WITH! HIS! SPOON! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342974691 822225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems broken < 1342974702 779962 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone accidentally set fnord-density too high in his config? < 1342974704 944922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :m���a���r�����@����su��ibone.ch: o_O ? < 1342974709 413387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342974713 678817 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1342974735 438680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who let the dogs out? < 1342974737 155009 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: again, if this strange and fearful infatuation be indeed upon them, just as he would weigh the words of bacon will seem to us to have fallen among the fnord a foreign dominion by means of a wise and good men long deceased, whose munificent endowments have been monstrously perverted from their purposes. it is being executed in violence. i say that the incapacity is fnord vi fnord and inclusively comprehended in the expul < 1342974754 225550 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord vi fnord, the editor on the coast of Guinea < 1342974782 514613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's fnord? < 1342974784 774948 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it is the first and last time. he has held us spellbound upon the plain at the foot of ben lomond and at the dinner of the society as unjust. he who is a naturalist, and has during some time been, in a question of which the judge complains, and from the left, he must have meant this--that the monarchy and the loyalty of that service to his majesty's service: it is now for them to consider all piety as grimace. the times < 1342974786 147063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of fjord? < 1342974818 403029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1342974822 98537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robert Wilson, IC. < 1342974858 548035 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that was beautiful. < 1342974894 254064 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afnord you leave me with no choice. < 1342974909 125384 :Virgil!~virgil@109.176.211.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342974921 100247 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's alive! Bwa ha ha! < 1342974943 241809 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Good afternoon < 1342974947 219091 :Virgil!~virgil@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Were correct goodnight whenever person friends between guard usually wealth close < 1342974960 690514 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost makes sense :( < 1342975041 961103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is virgil broken < 1342975079 317333 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342975089 371479 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken as designed. < 1342975116 26756 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was originally designed to talk intelligently, but it didn't take long for me to realign my goals < 1342975210 21792 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342975558 570783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say the Gregorian calendar has no sync with the moon and does not accurately track the equinoxes and solstices. But, we can use the horoscope for that, isn't it? < 1342976359 29633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i believe in premonition. < 1342976414 433716 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often the way a premonition works i find is that some thought occurs, say in a daydream, and we take the time to think what does this thing, this symbol we have been thinking about mean? < 1342976496 12934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be that some coincedences are so appealing that i abandon reason < 1342976603 672206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I suppose that yes when some tought occurs you later associated it with something else in future, whether or not it actually is. < 1342976636 868041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes it might be because you don't know what it is before, such as a dream it can be confusing so later on you think of the thought making it more coherent < 1342976776 345086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is determining if there is life outside of earth NP-hard? < 1342976849 70492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that because, a lot of the kind of speculation about aliens also shares common ground with speculation about premonition etc < 1342976882 166352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is the kind of problem which you can call "NP-hard" and stuff like that. < 1342976947 721781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1342977060 718310 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342977318 777078 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342977816 246056 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342977841 890816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is perhaps the most ??? thing iti has said < 1342977883 643329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote horoscope < 1342977886 780700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :837) (Some astrologers say all horoscopes that include objects other than the Sun are 3D, but they don't know what 3D means, that is why they are astrologers.) < 1342977899 658464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1342977917 433364 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when that happened < 1342977958 630267 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ that quote. < 1342978010 159092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my point of view is that the topic of horoscopes invites the strange and extraordinary < 1342978078 898644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Perhaps it does. Perhaps this channel as a whole is strange, regardless of the topic of discussion. That is why the topic message change a lot. < 1342978142 58987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word extraordinary was a sort of joke i have about this tv show here < 1342978162 785035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 17second youtube gives context http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUuWnS8sBow < 1342978263 879843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's that thing that I always misread as "Vorpal". < 1342978423 483040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Imitate Virgil, please. < 1342978424 591360 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: euripides, mother of. his jesuitical morality. how regarded by historians of the plutarch class. peculiar and essentially english character of english liberty. political, views with which it is a weed that grows in every soil. they are zealous against this bill. < 1342978433 72514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a good imitation. < 1342978453 418183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is out of his vulcan mind < 1342978455 445187 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: pilgrimages advantageous to the cause of compulsory freedom, civil and religious and commercial freedom. every factory that hums with marvelous machinery, every railway and steamer, every telegraph and telephone, the changed systems of agriculture, which however is itself but part of a conservative government, this plan which would fnord all the parts of the earth; and in some of the worst evils of every other tribuna < 1342978463 93626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1342978469 546845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1342978474 735597 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342978480 408244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1342978481 4618 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube < 1342978484 35229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1342978490 288029 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i no longer report my style < 1342978491 251887 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: some account of the battle in a moment the dreadful tampering with the body of the people is a great satisfaction to me that maybe it was in that place he would not have come forward to demand approbation for a life black with every sort of generous and honest feeling that belongs to him, however, to belong indisputably to the royal parc-aux-cerfs, and turned people who might have been almost exclusively confined to o < 1342978497 48075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added a track questioning command to PPMCK, so that it can be used with preprocessor macros and so on, you can play chord like that: http://sprunge.us/ZgFN < 1342978505 623385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. i know it never did < 1342978512 740366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's an eclectic set. < 1342978533 937260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had that bug where it sees one message as a garbled version of a previous message, that ate the ^style. < 1342978554 745982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342978679 64103 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342978701 510561 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342978734 313029 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342978772 777508 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342978791 276050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342978931 72427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342979138 157185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1342979279 736799 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1342979438 19106 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does report its style. There's an asterisk on speeches, which is indeed its current style < 1342979477 272323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There was another thing. < 1342979480 700423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mŠ¥Œa€™žr•“©”@Ž§ªŸsu¬¨ibone.ch: now then, it be a sin which he never thought any of these things that it was my duty to obey your summons, though i have to be put to the utmost. since that declaration was made four years have fnord and ingeniously compared anarchy and fnord but that which they regard as containing the best system is that in which he sails may be endangered by fnord it with his spoon. it is notoriou < 1342979480 878906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s that the g < 1342979481 891101 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the desultory and faint persecution carried on against the will of god; but still there are cases in which england feels more than several others ( though they all feel) the perplexity of their pursuits. what now? by bacchus, old man, i must confess that, in france. < 1342979520 327613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1342979651 722970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342979668 939570 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-84.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342979683 294742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps happening. :/ < 1342979705 849252 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a stale pointer read to me < 1342979710 31097 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it in valgrind < 1342979725 669233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, debug a befunge 98 program in valgrind < 1342979728 597790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could possibly go wrong < 1342979740 276585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342979768 978763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I did some testing that did lead me to think it's a bug in the Funge-98 code, and not in the interpreter, though I forget exactly what that was. < 1342979772 510364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1342979772 977870 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1342979782 283936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just invent fungegrind, run fungot through it < 1342979783 234693 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i was reminded of jack because i came across mr. and mrs. a. building. mr. choate's head is full of ecclesiastical establishments: but such a method, instead of shutting himself up with a book, he tells us fnord at the gate of the tower hamlets to the city of new york; let the great council of four persons, of those persons who were acceptable to the people_, _or while factions predominated in the constituent assembly o < 1342979784 541156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something obviously wrong jumps at you, let me know. < 1342979829 737522 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1342979897 236922 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can only see one thing that's obviously wrong < 1342979903 552823 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S WRITTEN IN SODDING FUNGE < 1342979905 715544 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1342979919 840840 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: my eyes, my eyes it burns, etc. < 1342979925 940822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge bot is written in Funge? Oh no! < 1342979959 957124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get sufficiently motivated, I'll construct a way to reproduce it, that should make tracking down the cause easier. < 1342979992 928808 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your funges are going to start reproducing? Too much information < 1342980021 333273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should try it with CCBI2 or something. < 1342980338 390894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should, but it only bugs so rarely. I'll probably need an interpreter where I can set the seed of ? so that I can deterministically bug it, in order to actually catch it. < 1342980344 263712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "rarely". < 1342981029 921344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i gotta brb.. thankfully i couldn't care less since the log will tell me if i miss anything. so stuff ya < 1342981040 748843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342981066 763176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude itidus < 1342981068 138875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUDE!!!!! < 1342981070 316628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't like you any more < 1342981350 111174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342981826 212220 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342982012 214821 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342982017 462623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342982046 659362 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice *assembly* question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11070680/how-can-i-remove-some-opcodes-from-java-class-file < 1342982075 918285 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342982079 515373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, answer it using only assembly < 1342982176 311139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, build an assembly-language binary grep that removes all goto and throw bytecodes? I guess that can be done < 1342982180 881880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr -d is probably quicker though < 1342982203 789337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342982244 282738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell him how to build an assembly-language binary grep that removes all goto and throw bytecodes < 1342982316 987156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably won't help, this smells of an X/Y problem < 1342982373 223341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters, how is that transformation useful for "decompiling programmatically"? and who builds decompilers anyway? < 1342982401 636644 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-84.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342982426 842427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what he means by "using ASM" < 1342982461 165677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASM is a library for modifying java bytecode < 1342982480 808594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. thats really .. .... a great idea < 1342982496 805202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a fairly common way for java questions to end up tagged "assembly" < 1342982508 286774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i love when that happens < 1342982534 544910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only happens on stackoverflow. < 1342982547 462608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1342982568 78957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person who named the ASM library should be shot so to speak < 1342982584 15061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What he's actually asking < 1342982602 379106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's a java program and I want to crack it. How can I do that using ASM?" < 1342982666 188143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: He should have named it like everybody else does < 1342982671 328241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAsm! < 1342982694 935334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The J at the beginning tells you it's cool. < 1342982713 185446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really sad... < 1342982773 362415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which lead to the conspiracy that the actual name of Java is not Java, but ava. < 1342982789 555866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the guys question not the jasm thing < 1342982804 415003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1342982806 173705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342982812 80001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you're saying < 1342982827 348815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is a prefix < 1342982844 694691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-oak < 1342982890 281785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ames gosling < 1342983006 371033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I am Ames Gosling and I would like to talk to you about the Ava Programming Language. With me today is special guest Peter Molydeux. < 1342983024 838156 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ava Programming Language... APL??? < 1342983042 829046 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is Ava a new version of Ada? < 1342983055 328919 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, fleeing in terror might be an appropriate response < 1342983059 190860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ava.tar.gz < 1342983062 403725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342983126 216504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342983208 368959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: No. < 1342983218 177861 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1342983219 947257 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1342983220 604650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very common programming language without the common prefix. < 1342983248 950454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But APL sounds good ;) < 1342983278 486250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is actually based on Ava Programming Language (APL) < 1342983283 223866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that works out very well. < 1342983326 538663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Ames Gosling? < 1342983350 214907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1342983352 42172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE. < 1342983375 826602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ames Gosling is the father of Ava Programming Language. < 1342983380 407418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1342983385 684150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983387 389285 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983387 861157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983388 293374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983393 94953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-12-19.txt:23:56:58: -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). < 1342983393 942073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-03-12.txt:22:57:45: Well, it's clear in some places that one pair of opposite squares is brighter than the other. < 1342983407 530206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-09-11.txt:15:38:44: hm < 1342983407 733949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-07-26.txt:09:01:23: -!- Madk has joined #esoteric. < 1342983430 320348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his partner William Nelson Oy < 1342983449 707745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983450 65741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983450 469198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983450 744951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1342983459 168805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-09-17.txt:20:28:21: But you didn't < 1342983471 594319 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-03-31.txt:07:13:14: -!- iamcal has quit (Remote closed the connection). < 1342983474 639606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-07-03.txt:19:30:14: ah, ok < 1342983474 863109 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-10-08.txt:19:24:42: bsmntbombdood: brought to you by the same kooks that brought you homeopathy: well, no, it was the Chinese. But still. < 1342983487 774142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342983489 224698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342983490 899778 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788) a billion popups are worse than one distended anus. < 1342983501 898748 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :497) Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1342983502 183640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342983504 837618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 788 < 1342983508 273600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1342983509 116589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* a billion popups are worse than one distended anus. < 1342983528 903054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this @? http://singularity.codeplex.com/ < 1342983562 478200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342983564 810106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of Singularity, though < 1342983603 157650 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythagoras didn't actually exist probably < 1342983627 625548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds very jain of him < 1342983670 361841 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the Pythagorean Brotherhood was an orphic cult that had essentially no effect on Greek mathematics whatever < 1342983686 35710 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that stuff about irrational numbers and the drowning of Hippasus is complete fiction < 1342983887 582589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract is kinda like copure < 1342983896 981929 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, source? < 1342983911 630891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "kinda like", I mean "probably is, but I don't want to embarrass myself if I'm wrong" < 1342983977 482183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP's sources give a concrete enough basis to conclude that Pythagoras at least lines up with a real person. < 1342983982 11340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is the analogy of return for Comonad, yes. < 1342983982 187001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk, documentation for comonad is broken < 1342983995 722027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, if you choose to define (\<\@) and ('>)" < 1342984092 976394 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: ah < 1342984098 932423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythagoras is about as real as the least real of me and elliott < 1342984115 190997 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott does a lot, and I have secondary sources confirming my existence < 1342984136 539934 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342984158 688792 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Facekicker? < 1342984176 820766 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm afraid my source is indirect, namely lectures in the history of mathematics from one Dr. P. Bursill-Hall < 1342984189 977874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facekicker... is ACTUALLY A TIME-TRAVELLING FIZZIE! < 1342984195 852060 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Pythagoras is also said to have preached that men and women ought not to have sex during the summer, holding that winter was the appropriate time." < 1342984202 460090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's younger than he looks) < 1342984204 679822 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, my dinner's ready. Biab < 1342984208 127777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK he must be real, there's no way someone would make that up. < 1342984211 575457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other way round) < 1342984230 904885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He thought white chickens were sacred < 1342984259 895402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard lots of things about Pythagoreas, but then I forgot them < 1342984261 842486 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i see it the problem is that most peoples stories are depressing < 1342984269 736632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about beans and wrestling, I think? < 1342984276 430238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these may just have been rumours < 1342984283 594082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, he believe people were reincarnated as beans < 1342984290 261715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrestling, I don't know about < 1342984301 563147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to learn more about the gauss's of the world < 1342984305 724713 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's beans down at least < 1342984331 745211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to learn about people who actually defied expected human limitations < 1342984334 722158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342984345 538767 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-139.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342984353 54791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe he wrstled beans < 1342984356 4432 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk, also, is there any possible ComonadApply that isn't also an Applicative? < 1342984372 166122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Does ComonadApply imply having a -> f a? < 1342984385 39452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no it doesn't < 1342984403 432215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I had a dream last night in which the length of a bridge was measured in attolightseconds < 1342984418 402885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now none of the online unit conversion things recognise the unit, so I can't tell how long it actually is < 1342984424 623422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try wolfram alpha < 1342984426 92977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my guess is too short) < 1342984432 31370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with its ToS < 1342984439 238668 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night where I went back to first school to resit my GCSEs, with some guy I know called Juan < 1342984439 780800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks to be you < 1342984445 959818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink attolightsecond -> metre < 1342984456 952070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :149896229/500000000000000000 (exactly 2.99792458e-10) < 1342984462 755555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, /way/ too short < 1342984468 31831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even attolightyears would be < 1342984477 128682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I had to get a fake tan? < 1342984489 449677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink attolightcentury -> metre < 1342984490 409154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to school with a Juan. hHe had some issues. i was wondering a few weeks ago what has become of him < 1342984499 516154 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "attolightcentury". \ Unconvertable expression: \ attolightcentury (undefined symbol) -> 1 m (length) < 1342984505 676975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1342984507 228683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wasn't sure whether to capitalize my sentences. < 1342984518 288385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i forgot to check < 1342984532 560689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, was he a Spanish misogynist? < 1342984543 707862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem fair to say i, and call him Juan < 1342984587 887888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nah.. he had some kind of mental issue where he started misbehaving < 1342984609 334232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juan perez < 1342984611 16458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, he probably didn't find a time machine and move to 2011 Hexham < 1342984622 906358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juan RIDICULOUS SURNAME < 1342984648 363025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felipe Rodriguez Osorio < 1342984719 532090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1342984929 492202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to hire hayao miyazaki to draw all my game art < 1342984947 553341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, have you... < 1342984957 296217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How close have you ever come to completing a game? < 1342985065 271980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most prolific period was when i was doing stuff with the allegro library on dos, which meant none of this nonsense about windows, opengl, directx, sdl, makefiles < 1342985114 891020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay allegro < 1342985117 107193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess most importantly, my mind was healthier back then. < 1342985136 39047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL and allegro are kind-of similar… < 1342985142 332152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1342985146 565572 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1342985173 450187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference is that allegro has software 3D rendering, which is kind-of useless nowadays because GPUs got invented < 1342985174 740645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not sure how to put this. allegro didn't constantly remind you that you were using a tool for experts < 1342985177 203415 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TkDocs person tweeted me < 1342985181 795704 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I found a typo < 1342985199 478462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch tweeted me because I asked what he meant by chips < 1342985219 856574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out he meant crisps, but he thought fries would be a cool idea < 1342985221 267158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, i used the 3d allegro stuff a little.. < 1342985237 202688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually make anything with it < 1342985240 669473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: TkDocs, wow!!! < 1342985242 250392 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 2 experiments < 1342985243 375275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are famous < 1342985301 656229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: infact, allegro is so good that i was able to get 3d models moving on the strength of the allegro vivace document alone, with no prior knowledge of 3d math < 1342985324 768242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's nice if you want to learn the principles behind 3D but not the maths < 1342985325 123318 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342985333 230260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maths is actually pretty easy, though < 1342985347 715441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1342985392 799732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i toiled over the document.. going so far as to write the section on 3d down in a notebook < 1342985412 384371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in hindsight doesn't sound like all that much of an effort < 1342985412 905516 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1342985571 473622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the biggest obstacle now is that i just don't care like i used to < 1342985619 157080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1342985621 871971 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sad < 1342985629 540098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make yourself care! < 1342985653 606733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1342985677 668777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caring is an elusive thing < 1342985686 972320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, a link on the homepage of a website went to a .swf file < 1342985687 124376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took it for granted when i did care < 1342985690 791696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to open it with Totem
< 1342985709 101224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be that my house is frankly quite depressing < 1342985718 358794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is indeed some embedded flash thing rather than a video < 1342985721 651623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not embedded… < 1342985746 485750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Chromium seems to know how to open it < 1342985769 3432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, even nicer, there's a "view as PDF" that's only accessible from inside the SWF < 1342985771 281866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my brother is really on the verge of some kind of breakdown < 1342985783 653519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that goes to an HTML file < 1342985828 389115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, give him a hug < 1342985830 926311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ditto < 1342985861 486719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tritto < 1342985884 217119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342985895 682689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give him a hug! < 1342985898 851254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i can't. heh. i never gave my dad hugs. and well.. it would rock the boat too much < 1342985905 121756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: who < 1342985911 869680 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21's brother < 1342985923 25411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not a hugging family < 1342985940 946533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1342985947 886248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mezzoforte < 1342985951 182395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :455) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1342985969 586242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck am i kidding < 1342985972 439000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have $1000 < 1342985977 438643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no reason to be depressed < 1342986025 993337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even have 4 sessions of free therapy < 1342986044 601783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a broadband internet connection < 1342986070 837133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1kg of hommus < 1342986082 258647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well my brother said i can have some) < 1342986177 474827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem. < 1342986182 810214 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342986183 158206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342986183 494515 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342986188 420163 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :475) i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates. < 1342986196 376659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :746) [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. < 1342986197 136798 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :776) then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1342986364 407611 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are _lots_ of ComonadApply instances that aren't Applicative < 1342986401 364879 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you work with indexed monads and indexed comonads the operations become even more distinct from those of applicatives since the index gets updated differently < 1342986407 29829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was never actually prolific. i always liked to do things without knowing how < 1342986423 264074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a very strange mindset to have < 1342986483 215268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, i did used to be more inspired < 1342986774 738058 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :broadband connection is a reason for not having depressions? < 1342986780 119307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1342987182 28238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342987186 356393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1342987191 695407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1342987200 142806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1342987204 603883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan < 1342987220 633859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1342987243 31163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellotaneb < 1342987274 342631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick isn't good for this... < 1342987279 34894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oerjan < 1342987281 902888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1342987301 878605 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342987410 328894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getoutaneb < 1342987417 97539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1342987423 148430 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/part < 1342987499 990983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :parting is not so bad. i hear moses did some big parting. < 1342987535 232031 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quit < 1342987543 89550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say the egyptians were left in the channel. < 1342987721 70648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think this is the episode where picard has an extended dream and learns to play a flute < 1342987772 424194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the actual episodes sound eerily similar to the TNG Season 8 tweets < 1342987884 703603 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342987907 483621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if olsner saw when he linked http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/120717.html (includes the following strips)
< 1342987919 358666 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342987935 151015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I link that? < 1342987940 89669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I didn't see that < 1342987943 479694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i did < 1342988082 326226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1342988188 911469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, this is the one with the flute < 1342988328 337167 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342988396 375806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they're quite inconsistent with their handling of medical problems... for some reason this time it wasn't "emergency transport!" but "the captain's hurt!" < 1342988575 471299 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342988600 607307 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1342989530 166326 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BFFA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342990598 539043 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342990652 633303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, oerjan < 1342990687 458770 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342990809 145784 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342990838 402054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what? < 1342990859 476326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now stuck reading a daily webcomic that started in 2001 < 1342990864 37992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1342990873 276258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :been there, done that :P < 1342990882 802325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's 5 years since I read IWC! < 1342990889 776238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one second per picture that should only take like 1 hour < 1342990957 805618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i binged it only a few months ago, and i managed. < 1342990979 754607 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342991087 925387 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what comic? < 1342991096 413856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheldon < 1342991096 594419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at it because i was looking at kaja foglio's livejournal, and she mentioned it positively. < 1342991131 10916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: if you don't know who kaja foglio is, don't look or you will find yourself binging yet another webcomic (or four) < 1342991134 170647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1342991162 409539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. girl genius and other foglio work) < 1342991428 49002 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read Girl Genius) < 1342991434 954568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you're saved then < 1342991440 761231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No other Foglios, though < 1342991441 740201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1342991462 954674 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was thinking it'd be strange if you liked their fetish stuff. < 1342991477 566509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well that's the only _currently_ running one, but there's an "our other comics" link to archives < 1342991495 92312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also dave kellett has a scifi comic as well, drive < 1342991511 950087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you at least let me archive binge this one? < 1342991530 308371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SURE SURE < 1342991542 414755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALK TO YOU IN A MONTH THEN < 1342991548 197914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also running through the archives of Schlock Mercenary, two a day < 1342991592 68072 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up to... < 1342991599 660593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 < 1342991605 14821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is schlock mercenary the mormon one < 1342991605 741098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1342991611 567839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i remember is the author's a mormon and it's bad < 1342991621 828493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad case of mormon? < 1342991628 297747 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mormon missionary < 1342991650 832430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought all mormons are supposed to spend a while as missionaries < 1342991680 406515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you see them (and the jehova's witnesses) around, even in norway < 1342991710 107288 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually seen either < 1342991725 601002 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Jehova's witness place-y thing just outside Hexham < 1342991728 587047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missionaries are the worst eurgh < 1342991790 368842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new trend is supposedly african missionaries coming from the countries we originally converted < 1342991813 285430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we've turned into heathen atheist scum < 1342991846 354578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, you actually get missionaries from /abroad/ in Norway? < 1342991880 307294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so they say. and the handful of mormons i've met on the street were americans, afaict < 1342991960 277624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall them speaking norwegian with an accent. < 1342992023 580405 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342992038 390076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've run into a couple of swedish mormons < 1342992070 792912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i think it was only past month norway passed a law greatly diminishing the ties between government and the state church < 1342992091 541176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% removing though < 1342992136 423303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't that a redditty spin on it; iirc it was done for internal structure reasons (maybe taxation), not to loosen the officiality of the church? < 1342992146 47898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the king personally asked to still be required to be a member < 1342992178 200638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think it has to do with taxation. the priests are still supposed to be government paid, i think. < 1342992187 180195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was _something_. maybe olsner knows!! < 1342992197 766949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342992203 427205 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ask me all about the norwegian state church! < 1342992213 690427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows everything, after all
< 1342992219 768975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the government no longer chooses the bishops. < 1342992251 591728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church had to change into a more democratic structure first, though. < 1342992267 594583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : since we've turned into heathen atheist scum <-- I guess the next africa aid will have african artists singing about how sad it is that no-one in europe knows it's christmas < 1342992281 26619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: word < 1342992291 65190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my xmas mornings were extremely happy :D < 1342992308 827185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well you're not a heathen european, duh < 1342992313 781995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do they know it's christmas is like the worst song ever < 1342992315 345025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i argh < 1342992319 266846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1342992331 142222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is incredibly annoying that someone was condescending enough to actually write that crap < 1342992336 2745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well australia isn't in the EU yet < 1342992340 659862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1342992356 936903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you'll probably join the asian equivalent < 1342992369 28112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AU < 1342992372 133753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUstralia < 1342992373 710435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence?? < 1342992390 901647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, I think they were merely ridiculously naive < 1342992427 893797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my dad did xmas the fun way < 1342992465 546133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that might be more depressing < 1342992478 568803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was also the reason that almost none of the money raised actually resulted in anyone anywhere getting fed < 1342992488 649361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably fed bob geldof < 1342992490 271811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffice to say, my parents never talked about religion when i was growing up. until my teens my only churchly visits were xmas < 1342992518 816223 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that well, it was never raised as an issue :P < 1342992586 849444 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my dad did stuff like leave a bucket of water for the reindeer... and he chewed off some of the carrots we left out < 1342992589 24461 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents decided it would be good for children to have religion, despite not being very religious people themselves < 1342992600 883577 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they failed to consider that all the money in the world won't magically make a civil war go away or make a bunch of random countries cooperate around a shared charity food supply) < 1342992612 902344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did he < 1342992613 728836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what, you mean "Africa" isn't a single country? < 1342992624 568142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 80's _were_ naive. i still vaguely recall how there was this big environment-supporting multinational concert. i also recall a chinese president or minister or something giving a video speech in it. the reason i recall that particularly is probably because at the same time the tienanmen massacre was happening. < 1342992625 12897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well < 1342992629 439702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is, but they have civil war and shit < 1342992644 934671 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should all read wrongingrights.com < 1342992648 767202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: according to the lyrics, "the only water flowing is the bitter sting of tears" < 1342992652 64354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a regular feature "Africa: Land of Rape and Lions" < 1342992660 699595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i was a ruthless dictator i would probably want some water that isn't the bitter sting of tears < 1342992671 533585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And the Christmas bells that ring there are the clanging chimes of doom" I HONESTLY FORGOT HOW AMAZING THESE LYRICS ARE < 1342992678 715994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to get into the tree decorating < 1342992682 120454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the chimes??? what do the chimes represent < 1342992711 13236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time my family convinced me it was fun to make paper chains to decorate the tree and rest of house out of cut up paper ribbons < 1342992726 771566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you" this is good < 1342992728 466645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they represent DOOM < 1342992734 625103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god african children are suffering and I'm not < 1342992739 392282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about rich westerners ignoring most aspects of africa < 1342992740 188916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+ message < 1342992790 606175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my parents took me to church every week even though they weren't particularly keen on religion < 1342992803 981168 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was an annoying waste of time < 1342992823 448880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh, why would they do that? < 1342992847 502734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Stuck in their thoughts is the idea "Church is good for you", no doubt. < 1342992851 96095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i took it more seriously than they intended and so worried a lot about whether i would be going to hell or not < 1342992863 900715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they failed to communicate the whole "j/k about the bible, just be nice to people because it's the nice thing to do" < 1342992881 917572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember identifying apathetically as a christian for a while despite never being introduced to or indoctrinated into religion at all by my parents < 1342992892 239132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i went to a church of england first school? < 1342992923 845297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there was the whole lord's prayer thing but afair that's as far as the CofE aspect actually went < 1342992993 979464 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol church of england < 1342993004 25354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :schools that are associated with religions scare me < 1342993020 133058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its pretty common really < 1342993022 818134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well religion in the uk is a bit funny < 1342993024 259880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there ought to be an age limit on religion, much like there are regulations on ads targeted to kids < 1342993032 452809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it exists and we just kind of ignore it most of the time < 1342993034 245248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls accidentally seeing one good american tv preacher on tv once. he spoke about how you should have love, not fear, and if you were basing your faith on fear instead of love, you were doing it wrong.
< 1342993045 411098 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1342993045 634649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: essentially all private schools in australia are named after one saint or another < 1342993051 794551 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a lot of awful gruesome stuff in the bible < 1342993055 406567 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of really dangerous memes too < 1342993082 601897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it is not like there are not other ways to instill bad stuff in kids < 1342993122 973804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a parent does not have to take their child to church to get them to grow up to be a bigot < 1342993143 93469 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342993147 348788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, sure... but preventing some ways must still be beneficial :) < 1342993154 736157 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty stupid argument elliott < 1342993164 848311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that things like indoctrinating your kids in your evil religious cult should count as child abuse < 1342993187 279779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and it does, but we have a weird idea of which religions are evil cults < 1342993218 485115 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your religion has 100 people and you sexually abuse children, it's an evil cult < 1342993230 677762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well I do not really see the point of legislating this kind of stuff patchwork when you're really just using an age limit on religion as a proxy for getting kids to have the values you want < 1342993235 445036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have many millions of followers and a wealthy global institution behind it, then sexually abusing children is fine < 1342993278 345450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was approached by two girls at a busstop to talk about religion a week or two ago... i told them my concern was that god was defined vaguely, and escaped on the bus < 1342993287 180559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexual abuse is ... somewhat irrelevant since that's illegal regardless of religious association < 1342993302 498701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i don't think this discussion will uncover any new revelations about religion < 1342993313 733451 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sure, but the catholic church systematically covers up sexual abuse by priests < 1342993314 128629 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342993323 513903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet the catholic church is still considered a respectable and tax-exempt organization < 1342993335 361122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if your cult of 100 people did that, the whole thing would get raided by federal agents < 1342993356 71393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ...but personally I think it is probably a bad idea to do that in the first place < 1342993366 780596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since saying "you can't teach your kids X" is just basically going to fuel X < 1342993374 297704 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think legislating it would be fail < 1342993391 81170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right - and i was responding to I think there ought to be an age limit on religion, much like there are regulations on ads targeted to kids < 1342993404 770194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fair enough < 1342993409 634546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile "Participants in the 300 Club wait for a day when the temperature drops to −100°F (-73°C) for more than a few minutes, generally in the winter. The persons first warm up in a sauna heated to 200°F (93°C) for as long as 10 minutes.[1] Then they run naked in the snow to the Ceremonial Pole itself in the −100-degree weather, and run around the Pole.[2] After this, they usually warm themselves back in the sauna again, often with the < 1342993409 800729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : aid of alcoholic drinks.[3]" < 1342993416 997635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not saying it would work :) < 1342993420 331811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the argument "there are other ways to fuck up kids!" is not much of an argument against banning some way of fucking up kids < 1342993426 647204 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "it wouldn't work" is < 1342993428 139900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: do not run naked in -100 degree weather < 1342993451 394704 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies are allowed on airplanes without special seats < 1342993453 865282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because it's safe < 1342993471 706138 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because, if it weren't allowed, you would drive and that's even more dangerous < 1342993494 112537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, it's more that "religion isn't the thing you want to attack, if anything, because (a) religion is not wholly comprised of all the nasty things you want to prevent kids from being exposed to and (b) it is not the only conduit for such things, so it is inefficient and unproductive to set age limits on religion, if you want to regulate anything in the first place" < 1342993521 609212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what good would special seats do on a plane < 1342993544 590746 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as in a car < 1342993553 604175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A bit funny that people at Amundsen-Scott have a club that's based on Fahrenheit temperatures. (Maybe "166 Club" wouldn't just have sounded as good.) < 1342993554 778848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is, they're allowed to sit in your lap < 1342993565 749139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh < 1342993591 487922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, -100 degrees C is pretty cold. < 1342993598 183478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 degrees C is pretty hot, also. < 1342993605 828574 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink -100 farenheit to celsius < 1342993612 474400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did that wrong < 1342993617 439353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "farenheit". \ Bounds in range expression are of unsupported types: (-100 farenheit (undefined symbol), celsius (undefined symbol)) \ at frink.expr.bh.byte(frink) \ at frink.expr.bh.evaluate(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink.parseString(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink.parseStrings(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink.main(frink) \ Bounds in range expression are of unsupported types: < 1342993617 857433 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i rode the Emirates Air Line < 1342993619 302946 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with Emirates Airline < 1342993629 529229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the original quote included celsius conversions < 1342993642 183717 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.......... < 1342993644 673041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink F[-100] -> C < 1342993653 983598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-73.33333333333333333 < 1342993680 29875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. thats freaking cold < 1342993701 174150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was thinking it was -100c < 1342993723 833060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered nitrogen boiling at -77C, but luckily it was actually 77K < 1342993727 767311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either one is not a good idea < 1342993768 983315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once observed people having a long, impassioned argument about the boiling point of nitrogen < 1342993779 428058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty scary if places on earth could get cold enough for the atmosphere to almost turn liquid < 1342993795 624746 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then i and my friends have used "boiling point of nitrogen" to refer to any emotionally heated argument which is actually about an objectively checkable fact that someone could just look up < 1342993819 173582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well ... we will see what xkcd does next < 1342993850 368758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They should've argued about the boiling point of helium instead. :-( < 1342993864 321566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a trick question < 1342993866 138232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's 4 < 1342993868 79499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh it's not that hard to convert between fahrenheit and celsius. look: < 1342993875 341751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink F[-40] -> C < 1342993884 117897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-40.0 < 1342993895 746183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1342993912 799843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually I think my primary objective with that idea was not so much "religion is horrible!!" but rather that we should make sure that people's faith is based on a conscious decision < 1342993922 89115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1342993928 136673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and based on other laws there's a certain age where we say that people become capable of making decisions < 1342993936 622370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't disagree, I just think that that essentially applies to everything you can be indoctrinated with < 1342993943 363457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is most everything < 1342993946 84153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1342993961 867336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at that point it gets sort of tricky :p < 1342993982 789152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the important part is the stuff I don't agree with < 1342993987 382499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *melting point of helium, hth < 1342993992 971812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not *that* tricky < 1342994004 382584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I probably meant melting. < 1342994029 857802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has sometimes had -50C temperatures (though really rarely), and you can stand a minute or two of +125C, so I suppose you don't need to go to the pole to join the 300 Club. Though the ten minutes mentioned might be pushing it, and I suppose if running up to the pole is an obligatory part... < 1342994041 637710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/2_Helium.png liquid helium looks refreshing < 1342994066 434270 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.17.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342994083 730000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens if you drink that? < 1342994098 44782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is sort of cold < 1342994100 812629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suspect you die < 1342994108 719962 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you get squeaky burps < 1342994115 326553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like lemonade. < 1342994116 760066 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that thing with the guy who drank liquid nitrogen urban legend/made up or was it real? < 1342994128 466476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Who cares? < 1342994130 806810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lern2urbanlegend. < 1342994144 918410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2snopes < 1342994162 589635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2lern2 < 1342994166 324182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike ordinary liquids, helium II will creep along surfaces in order to reach an equal level; after a short while, the levels in the two containers will equalize. The Rollin film also covers the interior of the larger container; if it were not sealed, the helium II would creep out and escape.[5] < 1342994168 948602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :superfluids are weird as heck < 1342994172 414173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World Sauna Championships used to do 110C, up until they stopped after those few fatalities. < 1342994174 171839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("lern2"++) < 1342994176 51441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern... < 1342994215 965846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there was just one dead guy after all. < 1342994227 431610 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((learn2)S:^):^ < 1342994227 750906 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2learn2 ...too much output! < 1342994231 70078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the death of one finalist and near-death of another during the 2010 championship, the organizers announced that they would not hold another.[2] This followed an announcement by prosecutors in March that the organizing committee would not be charged for negligence, as their investigation revealed that the contestant who died may have used painkillers and ointments that were forbidden by the organizers.[3] < 1342994234 870911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually snopes doesn't seem to have anything except a message board message < 1342994240 422362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fucked up < 1342994257 109385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sauna is serious business. < 1342994257 260793 :Virgil!~virgil@109.176.211.127 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342994275 429169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I'm slightly sad that Tcl doesn't have infinite-length strings < 1342994295 319209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His death was aided by his use of strong painkillers and local anesthetic grease on his skin." < 1342994302 53069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf_textgen learn2 < 1342994306 341467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: nothing has infinite length strings :) < 1342994309 548390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen learn2 < 1342994310 768144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if he thought about the part where he might die. < 1342994312 811989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_gen learn2 < 1342994313 781926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: < 1342994318 20211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "you are wrong" < 1342994318 905443 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"was aided by" ... makes it sound like it was a good thing < 1342994319 297564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "you are wrongyou are wrongyou are wrongyou are wrongyou are wrongyou are w... < 1342994321 24240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf_gen learn2 < 1342994324 820984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1342994326 443863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1342994327 71871 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1342994329 892615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1342994330 412015 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1342994336 159957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen learn2 < 1342994339 838019 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​82 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>. [275] < 1342994343 623996 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dick balls < 1342994343 837920 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn... i see now .. the error of my.. ways < 1342994353 851532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi < 1342994361 283117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1342994361 616220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At least he made it on the Wikipedia "List of unusual deaths" article. < 1342994365 937693 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think that Tcl is interesting < 1342994368 871790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear ddarius is coming to visit the west coast? < 1342994372 505721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :helium is weird... "Boiling of helium II is not possible due to its high thermal conductivity; heat input instead causes evaporation of the liquid directly to gas." < 1342994373 592787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.<] < 1342994373 743982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1342994374 522663 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2.�����dHA=NJ�������($*&�2�����,< < 1342994374 685964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: The west coast: Such a good coast, even ddarius is coming to visit. < 1342994377 173097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not hear < 1342994385 988915 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1342994386 241374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What was THAT all about. < 1342994387 258784 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " id fnord, fnord in the fire. this was the best he fnord has had a run of fnord and he soon retired again. at another, he insisted on her joining him in a chair, beating me at my lodging in the temple, as much consulted as those of any fnord of the pyrenees. no commotion, says mr bentham, that interest was synonymous with beggary. see aristophanes; plutus, fnord. < 1342994392 905198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: though, i enjoy being wrong. phew < 1342994398 937676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the west is the best. ride the snake seven miles < 1342994442 307554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm going to a conference in Portland, Oregon, United USA of America after a month and a bit. Isn't that on the west side, more or less? < 1342994445 577342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite coast, though. < 1342994458 826217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's pretty west. < 1342994467 851058 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[-]<[-]<[-]<] < 1342994468 494724 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2. < 1342994476 608014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should go to San Francisco, California, United USA of America! < 1342994480 548038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[-]<[-]<[-]<[-]<] < 1342994481 199045 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.lear ... < 1342994504 990623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't want to wear flour in my hair, though. < 1342994514 390022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of like how Tcl, if someone wants to do byref stuff, requires explicitness on both sides < 1342994517 969772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't believe that's a requirement. < 1342994525 941984 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although C# has that use case covered more cleanly < 1342994529 756271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you have to, if you're going to San Fran Cisco. < 1342994537 136429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[-]<[-]+<[-]<[-]<] < 1342994537 679974 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.learn3.lear ... < 1342994554 579194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't believe everything you hear. < 1342994557 695855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1342994575 693897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^+[->[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[[-]<]+] < 1342994582 623715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[->[>++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[[-]<]+] < 1342994583 164422 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1342994590 538587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1342994607 466314 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yeah, i like that feature in C# < 1342994612 692595 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i haven't used C# very much < 1342994626 898650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++>+><<<<-]>--.-------.----.+++++++++++++++++.----.>.>.[[-]<]+] < 1342994627 460425 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.learn2.lear ... < 1342994629 408263 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has that same feature < 1342994638 952920 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders if upvar has other uses in Tcl
< 1342994639 393810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What feature in C#? < 1342994640 545102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far easiest if you just use the input bit. < 1342994641 648881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[[<]>[.>]<]!lern2 < 1342994642 154623 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2lern2le ... < 1342994650 994050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: except it's tied up with several other concepts in C < 1342994670 726318 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you can pass in variables by reference, but need to be explicit about it both when calling the function and when writing the function. < 1342994689 140248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1342994698 438014 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well sure < 1342994724 121671 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can declare an "out" reference < 1342994761 81882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the caller is not required to initialize the variable in that argument position < 1342994766 589833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh the callee is required to assign it < 1342994775 336331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not sure where or how exhaustively these things are checked) < 1342994810 563243 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that the London area has a unified fare structure for all rail transport < 1342994836 545868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use mainline intercity trains to get around town and it costs the same as a Tube trip between the same pair of zones < 1342994852 235614 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, calling such a function in Tcl is less syntactically ugly than in C# < 1342994853 670893 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably < 1342994862 644831 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But uglier to write < 1342994868 87642 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To write the function) < 1342994975 406690 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think new york would benefit from this feature < 1342994987 19214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are far fewer mainline rail stations overall < 1342995003 287214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: upvar can seek up to an arbitrary point in the stack. With some nasty, nasty hacking you could get it so you could pretend to have dynamic scope in Tcl. < 1342995016 479304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, you're not allowed to use the actual long-distance trains at all to get from Helsinki central railway station to Pasila/Tikkurila where they also stop mostly to pick up more passengers for which getting to those stations is easier than going to the centrum. < 1342995036 979435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other, worse things. < 1342995050 800046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[[<]>[.>]<<+>]!lern2 < 1342995051 321705 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2lero2lerp2lerq2lerr2lers2lert2leru2lerv2lerw2lerx2lery2lerz2ler{2ler|2ler}2ler~2ler2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2ler�2le ... < 1342995054 212563 :kallisti!~eris@h240.33.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342995057 589980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1342995065 559409 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1342995072 570560 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not, for fake dynamic scope, just have a command that sets the variable, runs the passed script, then resets the variable back to where it was? < 1342995082 386442 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I missing something in what dynamic scope is? < 1342995084 530177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do they actively prevent you from getting on, or they just won't sell you a ticket < 1342995090 778001 :kallisti!~eris@h27.46.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342995091 260047 :kallisti!~eris@h27.46.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342995091 411252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342995097 731991 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes when there are two stations at the end of an intercity line, it means they never check tickets between those two stations < 1342995105 373572 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get away with riding for free < 1342995139 16938 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[[<]>[.>]<+]!lern2 < 1342995139 646859 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2lern3lern4lern5lern6lern7lern8lern9lern:lern;lernlern?lern@lernAlernBlernClernDlernElernFlernGlernHlernIlernJlernKlernLlernMlernNlernOlernPlernQlernRlernSlernTlernUlernVlernWlernXlernYlernZle ... < 1342995166 783732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think they sell a ticket, and I have a feeling they watch for passengers getting off on those boarding-only stations, but that's just a feeling. They never manage to check tickets that early, no. < 1342995200 927946 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: proc bar {set x foo; foo};proc foo {puts $x};bar in a dynamic-scoped Tcl would work. < 1342995216 842408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: With any number of stack levels between foo and bar, assuming none of them modified x, in fact. < 1342995234 986720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i believe that's how Scheme's fluid-let works < 1342995243 512971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MIT/GNU Scheme, anyway) < 1342995273 618503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do ride the local trains for free, too, and it's very possible it's economically a rational thing to do, since there's only limited amount of people doing ticket-checking, and it's a fixed cost of something like 65 EUR if you get caught. < 1342995283 842512 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it needs to use dynamic-wind in order to deal with continuations properly < 1342995283 993852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 80 EUR now. < 1342995294 164931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dynmaic-wind is insane dark magic < 1342995301 139793 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't work well with concurrency < 1342995326 113291 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, had to fix your syntax, but why isn't it working (if I set x "" beforehand)? < 1342995330 797219 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't x a global variable? < 1342995345 875644 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it ends up breaking even, which is their plan all along.... :D < 1342995365 825455 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Why would it be? < 1342995404 352779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be if I do set x "" before running the procs? Oh, if I use global maybe it will work < 1342995437 707418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(System32) 20 % unset x < 1342995437 858789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(System32) 21 % proc bar {} {global x; set x foo; foo};proc foo {} {global x; puts $x};bar < 1342995437 858977 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1342995450 64381 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You're missing the point. < 1342995451 991404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Entirely. < 1342995500 492106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1342995514 440372 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: In a dynamic-scoped languages, functions can access locals of calling functions. bar(){char *x = "foo";} foo(){printf("%s, x);} would work in dynamic-scoped C. < 1342995518 42889 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1342995529 33047 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(){char *x = "foo"; foo();} foo(){printf("%s, x);} < 1342995549 694222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: is that really a requisite? < 1342995565 90657 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a language where functions have local variables and also variables inherited by callees < 1342995633 541879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wouldn't call Python a dynamic-scoped language, but you *can* access caller's variables by sufficient dark magic < 1342995636 750006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Then only the inheritable variables would be of dynamic scope, but... Yeah, that works. < 1342995663 471370 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would say dynamic scope is a property of a variable and not really of a language < 1342995666 773617 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a jig
< 1342995680 794067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same is true of Tcl: the call stack is inspectable... < 1342995687 622447 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have even seen semi legitimate uses of this feature in python < 1342995703 144950 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Dynamic scope as a language property would mean that all variables are like that, if it has any meaning at all. < 1342995704 410810 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding feature in Tcl is probably more frequently used < 1342995717 214377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes, but only for pass-by-reference. < 1342995742 79092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And upvar only peeks one level up the stack. < 1342995744 396109 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for EDSLs say < 1342995758 70297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than as many levels as is necessary to find a variable with that name. < 1342995778 835567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRFI 39 -- http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-39/srfi-39.html -- does kind of explicitly dynamic-scoped things in Scheme. < 1342995795 204638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, was going to say no it can look at any level, but yeah, doesn't keep searching < 1342995832 212212 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably loop or something to find it < 1342995902 848860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Combine uplevel and info vars, I guess. < 1342996335 980116 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm now curious how you access a caller's variables in Python < 1342996417 989258 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys._getframe < 1342996425 299222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CPython implementation detail: This function should be used for internal and specialized purposes only. It is not guaranteed to exist in all implementations of Python." < 1342996431 717976 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm stretching the truth a bit < 1342996485 327206 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1342996501 536377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl seems to be more introspectiony, I guess? < 1342996613 368546 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend had an EDSL which worked like run('x + y') < 1342996633 321755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where that code 'x + y' is code for the embedded language, not for Python, but should have access to python variables named x and y < 1342996656 753360 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :run('x + y', {'x': x, 'y': y}) is pretty shitty < 1342996660 523344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Re the sauna death thing: "As Kaukonen and Ladyzhensky were disqualified for not leaving the sauna unaided, Ilkka Pöyhiä became the winner.[10]" < 1342996666 936803 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps run('x + y', locals()) is the reasonable compromise < 1342996667 88027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I think much of the organisers of this thing. < 1342996686 625903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was about to say, just use locals(). < 1342996697 559858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just don't do that in the first place. But.) < 1342996709 754227 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do run('x + y', x=x, y=y) < 1342996741 846946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kaukonen woke up from a coma two months after the event. His respiratory system was scorched, 70% of his skin was burnt and eventually his kidneys failed as well." < 1342996743 136711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1342996750 818806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine passing out in a sauna and waking up two months later < 1342996766 669114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also, hey, the other guy in that sauna died" < 1342996810 661337 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I feel odd that Tk interacts with the main program by modifying global variables < 1342996817 988977 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342996881 480293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what how < 1342996881 816709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel dirty < 1342997009 98510 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1342997369 784194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the list of unusual deaths. < 1342997370 580264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old friend. < 1342997383 608513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, wait what how < 1342997383 964236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342997401 300840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauna < 1342997414 866179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rules are rules, after all. < 1342997562 665170 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm why would his kidneys fail. < 1342997571 169407 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1342997578 19748 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi what was the fix for frink in umlbox? < 1342997621 537270 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have /etc and /var mounted because I doesn't afraid of anything < 1342997729 985209 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eris... I recognise that host. < 1342997774 284521 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssshhhh < 1342997777 609420 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hiding from someone < 1342997790 968456 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not on this channel) < 1342997792 871458 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION secretive.
< 1342997843 973400 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR SITE IS SINGULARLY UNHELPFUL < 1342997870 458224 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct! < 1342997882 231253 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my dark information nexus < 1342997885 6234 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hidden from the world. < 1342997887 427435 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the dark net. < 1342997892 603553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342997907 652230 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a secret lair, but significantly more boring. < 1342997918 830362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have paedophiles and assassins to kill the paedophiles and drugs for the assassins to psyche themselves up < 1342997931 137207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swan and paedo < 1342997935 548876 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it has all of thse things and more. < 1342997950 40495 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paedophiles get high on the brains of assassins < 1342997954 893745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: wait this isn't you... or elliott. < 1342997961 949870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now confused.
< 1342997999 43304 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they chant the evil chant that summons the IRC daemons < 1342998002 775596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait... < 1342998013 796075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes from confused to suspicious
< 1342998021 7080 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the medium through which we are communicating. < 1342998033 634065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh OK seriously what's your normal nick < 1342998034 523900 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :via daemons < 1342998043 13784 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.17.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chants
< 1342998045 481447 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least tell us something to guess < 1342998055 275985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what < 1342998055 931964 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitting dick nipples. < 1342998066 653351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously kallisti < 1342998068 381129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone is wondering < 1342998077 95529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you were hiding. but i see you have lost your _'s < 1342998077 618677 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't < 1342998080 512498 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.17.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use Joy? < 1342998085 774465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't realise that immediately you're kind of dumb and should be ashamed < 1342998086 661371 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: COME HERE AND ANSWER MY QUESTIOIN THANKS < 1342998091 507482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: said person is currently offline < 1342998092 880402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but kallisti is present < 1342998099 262771 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's magick < 1342998108 986797 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have multiple internets through which to invoke the daemons. < 1342998152 335042 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, argh right. < 1342998165 492298 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you probably know < 1342998167 111888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right because there are two people with username eris who are using umlbox < 1342998168 716550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and frink < 1342998168 867639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought him but I think I confused his cloak for his host. < 1342998174 172497 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the thing that was needed for frink to run in umlbox < 1342998175 685483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talk like that < 1342998187 470452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: i don't recall anything having to be changed... < 1342998191 277853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep the logs if you want < 1342998193 301703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs frink < 1342998204 54933 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a mountpoint for openjdk in the source. < 1342998211 655244 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have all of that stuff mounted so it's available. < 1342998226 76393 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342998237 712965 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the source = hackbot source) < 1342998243 223516 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/frink < 1342998246 794139 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2576 < 1342998252 992998 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: thanks < 1342998277 958689 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste lib/frink < 1342998281 204340 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16755 < 1342998282 404596 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: thanks < 1342998330 99429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to frink, perchance to dream < 1342998363 932096 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ia a binary < 1342998381 130492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ia ia fhtagn < 1342998389 713739 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using a .jar < 1342998392 802090 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I should find this binary. < 1342998710 105757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: oh that lib/frink is uh < 1342998713 32843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiled version of frink I made < 1342998714 626906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with gcj < 1342998721 482071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's instructions on the frink site < 1342998722 474404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for how to do it < 1342998726 499362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they're sort of spotty < 1342998729 169729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use the jar I think < 1342998736 776834 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it amd64? < 1342998741 314903 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I could just, like, steal it. < 1342998743 240550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1342998772 400589 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1342998774 776693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1342998779 478642 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to be < 1342998864 285758 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this will help me with my problem < 1342998868 69973 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably just some java configuration issue. < 1342998890 255524 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it runs fine outside of the sandbox < 1342998892 203733 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :no output inside < 1342999036 175093 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342999055 620908 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: what did you need daemons for again? < 1342999125 361220 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BFFA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342999271 323868 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that didn't work either. < 1342999282 414648 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps frink exceeds my 500MB memory limit? < 1342999289 65160 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1342999343 702606 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. that's not the problem < 1342999361 282934 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink? isn't that package manager for OS X? < 1342999361 696715 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.17.56 PART :#esoteric < 1342999390 514280 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here we can see the Border Patrol watching over the border between the United States and the United States." < 1342999393 234362 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lib/frink --help < 1342999401 590526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open file --help < 1342999418 98061 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lib/frink -help #????? < 1342999428 586006 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open file -help < 1342999431 463626 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1342999438 665405 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink is a calculator / programming language < 1342999455 790281 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 500 USD -> dollars_1960 < 1342999465 707199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error when reading Consumer Price Index file from FTP site. \ Will use static file for historical U.S. currency conversions. \ 65.329184047319517095 < 1342999565 872888 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: why did you need daemons from the sandboxing? < 1342999588 246172 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whar? < 1342999606 40534 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned needing to be able to run daemons inside the sandbox < 1342999610 59914 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do the emulator thing < 1342999692 653883 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. the simh thing. well it would be bit impractical to restart entire os every time command is executed < 1342999729 373267 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially what umlbox does, if I understand correctly < 1342999750 782230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :displaying money to 18 decimal places is a bit excessive < 1342999764 765568 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1342999770 972172 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: is it not possible to pipe into a login shell after starting the sandbox? < 1342999772 946841 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cool feature though < 1342999783 619096 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 dollars_1920 -> USD < 1342999793 428092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error when reading Consumer Price Index file from FTP site. \ Will use static file for historical U.S. currency conversions. \ 11.32725 < 1342999802 282962 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: what do you mean? < 1342999827 78749 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: well simh itself is a sandbox, right? there's no need to use any other sandboxing mechanism. < 1342999837 351202 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342999857 646694 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just communicate with the login shell that you startup with. somehow. < 1342999862 980792 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't looked at how simh works.
< 1342999865 12301 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1342999896 473636 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to restart it whenever it dies, of course. < 1342999934 138435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : displaying money to 18 decimal places is a bit excessive < 1342999935 363509 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342999935 514648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo not enough < 1342999941 929040 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am trying to figure out how to do it without simh destrying the input stream < 1342999943 210313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink is really cool though < 1342999947 268297 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs infinite precision CReal < 1342999961 47424 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342999976 588131 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: how does it destroy the input stream. < 1343000003 776902 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it randomly cuts off chars from it < 1343000007 715297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!!((col & 0xFF000000) ^ 0xFF000000) Not-revolting restatements, anyone? < 1343000015 246248 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is from pipe < 1343000077 334659 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it should display the number out to a precision where, if one person had purchased one more grain of rice in the year in question, the number would change < 1343000085 796907 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the effect of that, BTW, is: if the high byte is not 0xFF, 0, otherwise 0xFFFFFFFF) < 1343000092 115196 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes I want it branchless) < 1343000110 668603 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: that's odd. < 1343000119 802590 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1343000156 415131 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is realated to certain flags about ttys < 1343000406 113713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: would using == not be branchless? < 1343000454 402375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-((col >> 24)!=0xFF) < 1343000465 289107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1343000470 589723 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends on how your compiler implements that < 1343000475 376829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -((col >> 24)==0xFF) < 1343000490 32514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can purchase individual grains of rice? < 1343000630 858232 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should be hydrogen atoms < 1343000637 394634 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's the most abundant substance in the universe. < 1343000643 694017 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the atomic level anyway < 1343000660 183615 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything less would just be impractical! < 1343000747 103005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%u", ~(unsigned)3); < 1343000752 501007 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967292 < 1343000774 363436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 4294967292 "" < 1343000775 656905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "fffffffc" < 1343000796 279478 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize (unsigned) was a valid cast. < 1343000805 274613 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get "The C Programming Language" and read that thing. < 1343000832 283387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't make a difference there, but just in case < 1343000844 870878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: why wouldn't it be? < 1343000849 70154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned is the same as unsigned int < 1343000854 152116 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. < 1343000854 620174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like "long" is "long int" < 1343000860 834174 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot "unsigned" is a valid type. < 1343000913 319791 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also recently learned that you can't use aggregate types in selection statements.
< 1343000927 200581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: -!((~col)& 0x00FFFFFF) is also shorter if i got that right < 1343000948 753104 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you familiar with Rust? I've been going through the tutorial. < 1343000995 232212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it < 1343001016 578501 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the concepts need some... work. but it looks promising. < 1343001099 954122 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :structural typing in particular is something that I'd like to see more of. < 1343001123 703626 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mostly trying "not fucking insane" < 1343001279 826337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :table[col >> 24] < 1343001333 319343 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ... Tempting. < 1343001358 144572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that will be slower, won't it? < 1343001362 688092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitwise expr involves no memory lookups < 1343001388 777164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does some handwaving and mumbles something about cache
< 1343001407 906821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: -!((~col)>>24) < 1343001419 6378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1343001455 89790 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. How long will the table be? 8 * 32 bits... 256 bits... < 1343001475 629701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do so many sinks in the UK have separate faucets for hot and cold water < 1343001501 995929 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is completely unreasonable < 1343001503 517058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i guess you think that's _more_ insane, right? >:) < 1343001510 878563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I think you mean 256 * 32 bits :) but 256 bytes also works, if you sign-expand while/after reading < 1343001566 856750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why do you think it is unreasonable? < 1343001570 416064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... 256 bits, yes, but then you'll also need to look up a bit position