< 1343088370 125501 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1343088517 759046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343089086 208846 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343089447 528055 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1343089482 630093 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1343090282 49357 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CAE9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343090441 765229 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1343090732 100580 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh right, because you can always turn any object into an array of char, and Good Things are guaranteed to happen < 1343090871 43158 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-243-254.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343090887 167454 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-243-254.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1343091650 204513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343092383 173041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343092386 382111 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-76.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343092449 308025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, if I'm holding data in a variable, and I want to persist it to a file, is it a terrible idea to just put a variable trace on that variable and have it write the variable's value out to a file? < 1343092721 956630 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1343093094 182403 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1343093486 160334 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343094212 32385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1343094559 408442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343094665 197674 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1343094757 516294 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1343094848 430676 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1343095422 490557 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095434 618083 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-243-254.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095616 6501 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095616 195503 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343095617 300859 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1343095621 76720 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1343095621 571193 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095621 571376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095621 571459 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-243-254.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095622 249806 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343095633 546566 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095638 509934 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095638 958244 :kallisti_!~eris@h174.10.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095639 166501 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095654 195356 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek, I think Tcl is making me think in terms of global variables more :/ < 1343095657 216801 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095674 248493 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343095679 48246 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095680 93126 :kallisti!~eris@h174.10.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095681 363237 :kallisti!~eris@h174.10.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1343095681 514630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095687 599374 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-243-254.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1343095696 997357 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095701 236098 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-cwnuqcnvwrjthfxj JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095701 548128 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-cwnuqcnvwrjthfxj QUIT :Changing host < 1343095701 699556 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1343095701 970866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1343095732 205619 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343096156 97806 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, I never realise YouTube free energy videos would be so hilarious. < 1343096278 75558 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1343096862 205630 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343096877 166072 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343097439 245214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1343097519 710346 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1343098009 763347 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343099061 932955 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1343099305 840150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1343099607 87010 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: *wince* < 1343099628 244631 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at my variable tracing thoughts? < 1343099634 612995 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1343099645 864920 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION traces Sgeo_ thoughts < 1343099744 807920 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1343100119 848468 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343100126 413791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e('(':'\\':v:'.':l)=let(x,')':t)=e$d l in("(\\"++v:'.':x++")",t);e('(':s)=let(x,t)=e s;(y,')':u)=e$d t in(a x y,u);e s=splitAt 1$d s;d=dropWhile(==' ');a('(':'\\':v:'.':l)s=let f x|x==v=s|1>0=[x]in init l>>=f;a f x="("++f++" "++x++")" in fst$e "((\\x. (x x)) (\\x. (x x)))" < 1343100128 951988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "((\\x.(x x)) (\\x.(x x)))" < 1343100222 181121 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343100251 7702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e('(':'\\':v:'.':l)=let(x,')':t)=e$d l in("(\\"++v:'.':x++")",t);e('(':s)=let(x,t)=e s;(y,')':u)=e$d t in(a x y,u);e s=splitAt 1$d s;d=dropWhile(==' ');a('(':'\\':v:'.':l)s=let f x|x==v=s|1>0=[x]in init l>>=f;a f x="("++f++" "++x++")" in fst$e ""((\\x. (\\y. x)) (\\z. z)" < 1343100252 224703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1343100252 375951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end o... < 1343100256 486016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1343100270 867921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e('(':'\\':v:'.':l)=let(x,')':t)=e$d l in("(\\"++v:'.':x++")",t);e('(':s)=let(x,t)=e s;(y,')':u)=e$d t in(a x y,u);e s=splitAt 1$d s;d=dropWhile(==' ');a('(':'\\':v:'.':l)s=let f x|x==v=s|1>0=[x]in init l>>=f;a f x="("++f++" "++x++")" in fst$e "((\\x. (\\y. x)) (\\z. z))" < 1343100273 267611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(\\y.(\\z.z))" < 1343100293 972307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1343100311 781202 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's only short because substitution isn't hygienic < 1343100317 337955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1343100353 565541 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are good uses of variable tracing? < 1343100361 654650 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is my idea really that terrible :/ < 1343100380 120665 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Debugging, inspiring drinking. < 1343100402 379653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's tracing function uses unsafePerformIO, just a hint < 1343100413 565772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different thing < 1343100431 153319 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl's tracing lets you run code when a specified variable is read from or written to or unset < 1343100438 706243 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Tcl variable tracing is where you set up a callback that is triggered every time a variable is mutated. < 1343100478 573526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343100550 146938 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a command like this in some standard library somewhere? < 1343100557 510945 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, some thingy like tcllib < 1343100609 972190 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc debugline args { set result [uplevel 1 $args]; puts "$args -> $result"; return $result } < 1343100615 742189 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that doesn't quite work, does it < 1343100796 953242 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, just a command to stick in front of a line to print the line and its result < 1343100808 133573 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably write it myself, just wondering if it pre-exists < 1343101436 598427 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1343101475 782221 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1343101615 584398 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1343103178 428404 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what sort of headaches does variable tracing cause? < 1343103676 581390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343103708 714304 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343104237 19789 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: all sorts < 1343104289 226672 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1343104506 15788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bassett's headache liquorice < 1343105418 556387 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343106366 450737 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343106526 879321 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1343106569 595914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1343108118 18476 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1343108128 695047 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt is essential for the survival of many animals. < 1343108157 173004 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem that abundant in nature? Is it just consumed from saltwater and saltwater fish and then propoagates through the food chain of carnivores? < 1343108205 411269 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/salt/sodium/ < 1343108370 401507 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: I guess? Salt is essential for the survival of animals, but not in large quantities, so... < 1343108738 202842 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be the case. < 1343108750 975986 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently herbivores get along fine without too much salt. < 1343108793 9327 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few plants contain sodium < 1343108847 518286 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, herbivores in particular will often explicitly seek out salt licks. < 1343109467 693226 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343109479 207943 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-185.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343109701 88102 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peppercorns (dried black pepper) are, by monetary value, the most widely traded spice in the world, accounting for 20 percent of all spice imports in 2002. The price of pepper can be volatile, and this figure fluctuates a great deal year to year; for example, pepper made up 39 percent of all spice imports in 1998. < 1343109706 90311 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really weird to me. < 1343109706 811961 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot explain his enjoyment of this series < 1343109711 626373 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :black pepper isn't even that great of a spice. < 1343109715 540280 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: which < 1343109718 791683 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP < 1343109753 426044 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah. It's not that pepper is a very *expensive* spice, it's just used a lot. < 1343109785 844977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet by mass it's on the order of 50% of the spice trade. < 1343109804 741160 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use red pepper in place of black pepper, for things where it makes sense. < 1343109813 289241 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :like soups and such. < 1343109840 95416 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enjoys spicey foods. < 1343109937 180113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concurs < 1343110082 191291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1343110357 445207 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just noticed < 1343110380 867564 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that most western european cuisines aren't really known for spicy foods. < 1343110415 998483 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to say, korean, thai, south america, indian. < 1343110481 933222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even North American. At least, we've got a nice tendency to adopt spicy foods from other cultures... < 1343110503 249388 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is authentic Italian spicy? < 1343110521 354857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I guess Tex-Mex is purely American, and reasonably spicy... < 1343110540 746612 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :America has all the cuisines. < 1343110544 366087 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1343110558 471570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda the only distinctive property it has. < 1343110566 609426 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cuisine-wise) < 1343110671 818252 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1343110685 168145 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza? sure. but it could use some pineapples you know. < 1343110689 281923 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION american logic. < 1343110753 631945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite right. < 1343110758 711787 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And extra cheese. < 1343110795 9417 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epic Meal Time is actually the essence of American cuisine in its purest form. < 1343110800 992081 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what's the worst that will happen if I use variable traces the way I said? < 1343110808 154245 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's Canadian, I agree. < 1343110815 135293 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You will confuse yourself greatly. < 1343110816 825191 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1343110834 32652 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought they were from Vermont or something. < 1343110838 779525 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1343110867 183719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1343110897 324148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: Montreal. < 1343110912 760910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vermont's *like* Canada. < 1343110928 551482 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. okay. < 1343110936 560112 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes perfect sense actually < 1343110941 944096 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :americans would never do that to food. < 1343110948 649529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, we totally would. < 1343110962 566163 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe. < 1343110965 480090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept with more cheese. < 1343110968 870011 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we wouldn't make an internet show about it < 1343110975 810670 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd just eat it and move on with our lives < 1343110990 568501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we'd make a restaurant instead. < 1343111027 596769 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: Texas) < 1343111295 611409 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343111314 934110 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343111374 496901 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343111402 930994 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-206.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343111587 600516 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1343111887 66779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not totally sure why I'd be confused, especially in the script in question is a simple one. < 1343111947 235996 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-206.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Basically, variable tracing in Tcl is on par with ptrace for Linux binaries. It'll work, but it's Nasty™. < 1343111974 806102 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about prtrace < 1343112557 210075 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1343112596 782896 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343113054 542087 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343113174 786339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343114141 443914 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1343114373 508621 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343114403 954837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343115150 499893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343115188 81097 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1343115307 619920 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1343118669 809125 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1343119195 213893 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343119412 777222 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343119506 113955 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1343119546 734237 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: thanks for the reference table :D < 1343120161 14833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck ant < 1343120377 986443 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1343120445 25577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no option though, existing project for which I'm writing a small patch. Also Android SDK... < 1343120479 153738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: No problem ;) < 1343120493 589593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you need to pull from the repos. Since I added some functions) < 1343120505 629609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... you can no go into shell mode by calling the binary with --shell < 1343120509 870197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1343120694 709902 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I made something that calculates the Fibonacci sequence < 1343120702 421468 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll test it first < 1343121097 249375 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1343121124 506146 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C483.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343121311 283391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what is it you are working on? < 1343121469 947872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burlesque < 1343121479 295251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... if you prefer a satiric website about it < 1343121490 723982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/burlesque/index.html < 1343121639 927731 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I made something which, for a number n, n * 2^n < 1343121650 821530 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly the intention :p < 1343121699 552958 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ri^^{\/^^.+\/1.-}{}w!vv < 1343121810 770920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does n * 2^n :) < 1343121838 174581 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1343122015 168288 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added it to the examples < 1343122069 322809 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do a decent Fibonacci later :p < 1343122078 76410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a more light weight browser for this computer < 1343122243 901302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although producing n * 2 ^ n will get easier once I added all builtins from Stlang < 1343122278 126249 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obfuscated n*n^2" then < 1343122291 237658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good example for using while, thx. < 1343122324 144052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^^2\/**.* < 1343122476 417498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the biggest issue for fibonacci is, that Burlesque has no explicit recursion :) < 1343123296 79159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Graphical or Text? < 1343123372 286081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ < 1343123383 348365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small as a mouse, fast as a cheetah! < 1343123399 204771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, graphical < 1343123401 544226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And note that cheetah sounds like cheater in some dialects ;) < 1343123410 118768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, similar capabilities to firefox, html5 and so on < 1343123417 924439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't fully support everything from html. < 1343123418 855119 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you want javascript you can use hv3. itis pretty buggy though < 1343123423 900315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ok < 1343123432 954202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you wan't a lightweight browser that is not lightweight? < 1343123437 557453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a super old computer. but firefox + android emulator = painful < 1343123447 469993 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also what os are yo using? < 1343123460 23914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 64-bit Ubuntu on this laptop, it has 2 GB RAM < 1343123476 431261 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1343123481 388563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 LTS < 1343123494 775022 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that computer slow/old? < 1343123495 942312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twotoasts.de/index.php/midori/ then? < 1343123502 529557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses WebKit so... < 1343123509 330448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKit should support all the regular stuff. < 1343123520 521817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not by itself. But when I run other stuff apart from firefox I can get it to swap trash every now and then < 1343123522 710754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not fun < 1343123537 647180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't want to have like only 2 tabs open < 1343123550 603639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally have around 30-40 tabs open < 1343123563 539802 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kazehakase? < 1343123567 685009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what? < 1343123577 652383 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kazehakase < 1343123580 38453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, will check that out < 1343123583 994256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, is it a web browser? < 1343123591 773450 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1343123637 67071 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is directly available from ubuntu repo < 1343123640 349406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1343123647 359140 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was last time I checked) < 1343123650 970938 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1343123656 582580 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also surf from suckless < 1343123664 515373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not in the version of ubuntu I run < 1343123665 943222 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or xxxterm :P < 1343123668 99212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 10.04 LTS < 1343123671 413825 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343123677 49066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I need to update to the new ubuntu release soon < 1343123684 792583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, I'm going xubuntu then I think < 1343123696 786450 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not lubuntu? < 1343123702 361126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LXDE? < 1343123707 255446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll give that a try < 1343123707 475614 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1343123712 183881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used LXDE < 1343123723 212854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm quite fond of Gnome 2, and xfce is almost as good < 1343123730 734522 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kazehakasa.sourceforge.jp < 1343123735 40267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1343123819 916824 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. Line Mode Browser is still developed < 1343123826 610090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1343123829 791452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1343123880 590805 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like old lynx fused with ed < 1343123891 151658 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :second web browser ever developed < 1343123931 346349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343124015 301524 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Amaya seems to be pretty light (w3c testbed browser) < 1343124099 53558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343124107 798321 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Dillo is still developed? < 1343124147 248669 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders in what circumstances command prefixes are not suitable alternatives to having closures < 1343124182 253470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDAs can't have random memory access? < 1343124215 933152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that imply that it is impossible to do an arbitary effect at an arbitary point? < 1343124275 636943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you have enough operations you can pop, put the element in a list, pop, add the element to the list < 1343124284 754429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go back to any location of the stack, change it < 1343124290 898894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deconstruct the list < 1343124295 36628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reconstruct the stack < 1343124336 876197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if you can have arbitary data on the stack, right? < 1343124480 34608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343124500 779151 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-158-206.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343124573 360852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm. Dillo is still developed? <-- is it? nice < 1343124664 141683 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still netsurf seems to be the best lightweight browser unless you are really into surfing the net with your 486 in which case I can recommend links2 from experience < 1343124680 616695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1343124709 604368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature-wise it seems pretty limited though < 1343124715 706610 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1343124736 325697 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but links2 is good enough for me as my main browser < 1343124738 387378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you know what I need? A desktop version of the mobile chrome browser < 1343124745 636899 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1343124746 933509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty memory efficient iirc < 1343124754 926929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses like 50 MB on phone < 1343124763 191230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :while desktop chrome uses way more < 1343124764 119947 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. so much? < 1343124775 657221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, with a few tabs open yes < 1343124781 941703 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1343124792 380609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :few tabs = 10 or so < 1343124793 581653 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers sure are bloated nowadays < 1343124808 82604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I do want HTML5 support and so on though < 1343124815 637026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a lot of websites need it to be useful < 1343124852 320909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, with 1 tab open (front page of xda-developers.com) it uses 31.52 MB < 1343124858 319838 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-1-2kb-python-browser-script/ < 1343124873 531565 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. it supports html5 < 1343124912 872110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But there are no tricks or gimmicks at work here, except to say that the browser is all of about 1.5Kb on disk, written in python and has webkit as its core." <-- except that I'm pretty sure webkit is larger than 1.5Kb < 1343124942 171481 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. only the size of browser script is counted < 1343124959 479614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really fair < 1343124964 815083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome embeds webkit after all < 1343124978 185084 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how can I measure memory use of program under linux < 1343125030 369874 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or xxxterm < 1343125036 638369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1343125049 579844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw how can I measure memory use of program under linux <-- I would use htop? < 1343125052 564897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ps < 1343125056 54345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or top < 1343125060 460260 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxterm is webbrowser < 1343125062 356163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1343125069 698492 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xxxterm < 1343125094 238340 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean in megabytes. htop only show percentages < 1343125110 682830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no? < 1343125116 478300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RES, VIRT and SHR < 1343125135 907639 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they mean? < 1343125143 868792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well SHR is shared memory iirc < 1343125169 149091 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :22460 10680 2212 S 0.0 17.9 0:01.81 links -g xda-developers.com < 1343125171 948441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RES is resident, VIRT is address space allocated (not same as memory allocated obviously on linux) < 1343125185 556663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, bytes or kbytes I guess < 1343125189 556087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know the unit there < 1343125196 751139 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kbytes < 1343125198 555630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't see the column headers either < 1343125237 866083 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command < 1343125251 616029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, memory usage is complicated given that stuff like shared libraries (libc.so or whatever) will exist in one copy in memory, shared between all processes on the system using it < 1343125261 838511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for .data and so on < 1343125269 584163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.text and .rodata segments will be shared < 1343125276 581442 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think that my links is staticaly linked < 1343125325 723141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, VIRT is not really interesting. It tells you how much it has allocated (mmap or sbrk. NOT malloc. Your libc provides malloc which uses something like mmap or sbrk to allocate memory from the kernel) < 1343125346 947385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but linux won't actually allocate any physical memory to the program until the program tries to access said memory < 1343125361 489504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that it only exists potentially < 1343125368 408690 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is SHR the right reading? < 1343125369 784192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, thus VIRT is utterly useless for most purposes < 1343125388 529673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, SHR is shared from what I remember. So that is not all that interesting < 1343125391 931005 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was dynamicaly linked < 1343125400 513405 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs nortti  < 1343125411 833021 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: why? < 1343125421 269205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is memory that is shared by more than one process, I'm not sure if that includes ro shared or just rw shared < 1343125423 758568 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like hugs. < 1343125427 192508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1343125429 939245 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what does RES mean? < 1343125432 862013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, resident < 1343125442 924898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I'm trying to remember how to interpret that < 1343125466 228840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I don't remember if it includes mmaped files or not < 1343125470 742984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes a huge difference < 1343125490 756177 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. also links is running on 1280x1024x32 framebuffer < 1343125506 486741 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that have any effect in RAM use? < 1343125508 240128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it might be that RES doesn't include swapped out stuff? < 1343125528 906137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the ps man page contains the following note: < 1343125530 316336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The SIZE and RSS fields don't count some parts of a process including the page tables, kernel stack, struct thread_info, and struct task_struct. < 1343125530 467686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is usually at least 20 KiB of memory that is always resident. SIZE is the virtual size of the process (code+data+stack). < 1343125543 404932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about htop < 1343125571 834343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the virtual size will include pages you allocated but never touched < 1343125574 176102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is common < 1343125586 641517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :your libc is going to do that for pooling purposes < 1343125603 924082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top man page: < 1343125605 414014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : q: RES -- Resident size (kb) < 1343125605 565570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The non-swapped physical memory a task has used. < 1343125620 804479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm: < 1343125621 624418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : o: VIRT -- Virtual Image (kb) < 1343125621 775889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The total amount of virtual memory used by the task. It includes all code, data and shared libraries plus pages that have been swapped out. < 1343125621 776092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : VIRT = SWAP + RES. < 1343125621 776199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : p: SWAP -- Swapped size (kb) < 1343125622 613250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The swapped out portion of a task's total virtual memory image. < 1343125637 715809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER, I know for a fact that VIRT includes the untouched memory < 1343125644 568604 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1343125662 655321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that really go into RES? < 1343125673 374188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it doesn't < 1343125685 104249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't in htop at least < 1343125690 536577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :20555 arvid 20 0 858M 173M 39056 S 0.0 9.4 0:31.42 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burlesque < 1343125701 981642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, 858M VIRT, 173M RES < 1343125739 110248 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can at least say that running 4 instances of links2 with Xvesa on Pentium 100MHz with 40MB of RAM works fine < 1343125756 960556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :20555 9.4 858m 685m 173m 68 364m 38m 326 0 S 20 0 2 firefox < 1343125767 608867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1343125769 398316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID %MEM VIRT SWAP RES CODE DATA SHR nFLT nDRT S PR NI %CPU COMMAND < 1343125769 550299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :20555 9.4 858m 685m 173m 68 364m 38m 326 0 S 20 0 1 firefox < 1343125770 853336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1343125774 224980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from top < 1343125776 521515 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1343125791 28545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that SWAP includes stuff not actually swapped out < 1343125798 522466 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1343125802 633851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my total swap usage is 214 MB < 1343125812 439670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to free -m < 1343125815 624068 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come the fucking on < 1343125828 494068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I now have a computer < 1343125833 386508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to find some OS's < 1343125839 959361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think SWAP there includes swapped out stuff and also the allocated but not actually ever used stuff < 1343125854 901745 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: haiku, syllable, netbsd < 1343125855 53415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does your computer have an adder circuit? < 1343125874 124831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes memory usage under Linux is /complex/ < 1343125886 257532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you know that < 1343125891 359094 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343125925 29706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, for a single process just reading /proc//maps and adding up the relevant segments might be saner :P < 1343125953 633584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /proc/20555/maps | wc -l < 1343125953 785002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :752 < 1343125955 388880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is firefox < 1343125956 237226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1343125964 584723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /LOT/ of mmaped stuff < 1343125994 501910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets filter out ro mappings < 1343126044 353049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1343126068 444544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, quite possibly! < 1343126087 601297 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhani@T20-slitaz$ cat /proc/5337/maps | wc -l < 1343126087 793500 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1343126089 907697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shares most libraries with other apps, but some of them only firefox uses < 1343126094 976304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkallasj@valdieu:~ cat /proc/737/maps | wc -l < 1343126095 127702 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is links < 1343126095 128069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :869 < 1343126102 296207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also a Firefox. < 1343126111 628803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that doesn't tell you the amount of memory, just number of mapped regions < 1343126129 398972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fc4fcc87000-7fc4fce86000 ---p 00018000 fc:00 22921 /lib/libpthread-2.11.1.so < 1343126134 26576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of THAT mapping? < 1343126136 615546 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhani@T20-slitaz$ cat /proc/5451/maps | wc -l < 1343126136 766797 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :126 < 1343126141 755912 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is hv3 < 1343126142 60021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a private mapping with no permissions < 1343126142 730967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1343126157 719379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the interesting bit is really the size of the allocations < 1343126174 791508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there are ---p guard pages, I suppose. < 1343126194 305125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fc4e3c70000-7fc4e3c80000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 <-- oooh I think firefox is JITing something eh? < 1343126200 821032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the mapping costs much, and it catches writes before they go mungle something else. < 1343126220 540691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1343126229 562520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be something completely different too. < 1343126246 497172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /proc/20555/maps | grep -Ev '[-r]-[-x][sp]' | wc -l < 1343126246 648687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :238 < 1343126246 648876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one for example is a bit big. < 1343126263 533200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a guard page, I mean.) < 1343126272 776266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size is it < 1343126275 190090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a few single-page ---p nameless things. < 1343126276 838541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to calculate that < 1343126285 538600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 00018000 is the size, isn't it? < 1343126291 804963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1343126308 550475 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my os I'm going to have this syscall: therealgoddamnedmemoryuse(PID) < 1343126313 538376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1343126319 650327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seemd to be in the right ballpark. < 1343126325 37991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so 24 pages? < 1343126328 152107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343126349 282705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the offset field. < 1343126350 743862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway it could be that the kernel has that mmaped to the process but the process hasn't yet used it < 1343126353 250514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For files. < 1343126356 765336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1343126362 122025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not the size then < 1343126365 610650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1343126380 726915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ cat /proc/737/maps | grep -c rwx < 1343126380 878282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :76 < 1343126385 972165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of rwx in there too. < 1343126393 127892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you put it as no access you are going to get a page fault on access, thus you can map it lazily < 1343126394 902515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software these days, so complicated. < 1343126404 890865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that could be what is going on < 1343126406 72461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it could be that. < 1343126423 538482 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with links: < 1343126424 516234 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhani@T20-slitaz$ cat /proc/5337/maps | grep -c rwx < 1343126424 669238 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1343126437 48261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the conclusion is that calculating memory usage on Linux (or any modern OS) is utterly hard < 1343126510 417307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... firefox has no [heap < 1343126513 615504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[heap] < 1343126515 992258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1343126526 84503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the crap < 1343126542 811596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does firefox not use sbrk? And bypass glibc malloc? < 1343126560 375163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume glibc performs some internal allocations using sbrk at least < 1343126562 789190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird < 1343126570 6648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go figure that out ^ < 1343126619 26725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm all the low address mappings are weird for firefox compared to other processes < 1343126621 211255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing something related to their portability layers, but I'm no FF developer. < 1343126634 9394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /proc/$$/maps < 1343126634 160975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :00400000-004db000 r-xp 00000000 fc:00 3255 /bin/bash < 1343126634 161195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1343126644 980406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox: < 1343126646 520819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fc4c2a00000-7fc4c2c00000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 < 1343126650 548055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the lowest one < 1343126672 121283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a couple usual ones in my Firefox process. < 1343126673 741980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00400000-00410000 r-xp 00000000 fd:00 1194314 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox < 1343126676 826791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact firefox itself: < 1343126677 122783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00610000-00611000 rw-p 00010000 fd:00 1194314 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox < 1343126678 290660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fc4fd0ae000-7fc4fd0bf000 r-xp 00000000 fc:00 430071 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox < 1343126690 898774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which version of firefox is that? < 1343126700 895587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :14.0.1 here < 1343126727 270948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The about window says "Firefox ESR 10.0.6", I don't have a clue what that means. < 1343126731 442625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older, anyway. < 1343126751 78269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00400000-00417000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 2914597 /usr/lib/firefox-beta/firefox < 1343126751 510175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a fancy memory allocation tree thing on Firefox with about:memory. < 1343126752 346415 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00616000-00617000 rw-p 00016000 08:03 2914597 /usr/lib/firefox-beta/firefox < 1343126785 752841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :144 MB < 1343126790 795128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :81 MB for js < 1343126806 14259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 MB for sqlite... < 1343126810 35811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about:memory?verbose for more detail < 1343126854 167194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing the "minimize memory usage" button at the bottom made it 133 MB < 1343126880 359517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loading that verbose version made it 146 MB < 1343126893 99635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only have 8 tabs open < 1343126900 353186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very heavy pages either < 1343126911 496305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "heap-unclassified" memory is apparently called 'dark matter' by Firefox people. < 1343126912 392232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can I see if any addons uses a lot of memory? < 1343126920 146828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dark matter eh? < 1343126921 904231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it then < 1343126932 625814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and maybe they don't either. :p < 1343126938 192038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is 32 MB approx < 1343126966 276389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that don't have proper about:memory "reporters", apparently. < 1343126986 863617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :77.40 MB (28.44%) -- heap-unclassified < 1343126998 959524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :compartment([System Principal], 0x7fc4e9ff1000) uses the majority < 1343127006 97848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is under js < 1343127009 529103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 MB < 1343127012 409271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :single largest post < 1343127033 140413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a post under that called gc-heap is 32 MB < 1343127068 895698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 MB when I closed all the other tabs < 1343127102 302208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know what "System Principal" is < 1343127170 541101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libxul (whatever that is) has a massive .text segment it seems < 1343127177 320200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 MB < 1343127187 905331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the a Haskell Platform for Haiku? < 1343127191 243064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XUL is the user interface stuff Firefox uses. < 1343127217 169485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1343127227 880910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML User Interface Language. < 1343127228 31922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, s/the/there/? < 1343127231 891844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1343127235 879925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not XUIL < 1343127238 463284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes < 1343127241 784932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was taken. < 1343127244 664598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rings a bell. < 1343127248 46265 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the U stands for UI < 1343127271 869301 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho XUL suck. I am still bit angry at mozilla discotinuing gecko embedding < 1343127333 766958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all kinds of "there is only XUL" jokes. < 1343127337 346238 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343127343 6253 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? < 1343127352 827968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XUL's XML namespace URI is http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul for example. < 1343127361 455370 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343127367 386997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it did list one of the addons in that memory list (noscript) but that was just 6 kb < 1343127369 823826 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343127381 411057 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> keymaster/gatekeeper < 1343127382 531397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `keymaster'Not in scope: `gatekeeper' < 1343127398 177585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, there are two entries for noscript, so ~300 KB < 1343127428 106849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the total of the addon related stuff listed there is less than 5 MB < 1343127429 173029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "There is no data. There is only XUL!" if you actually HTTP-fetch that. < 1343127469 980337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1343127535 452822 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :XUL (pronounced "zool") < 1343127538 394181 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :....wot < 1343127545 367400 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do x's make a z sound? < 1343127547 83043 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343127568 224721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pronunciation is also part of the joke. < 1343127586 130461 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1343127599 697406 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: never watched ghostbusters? < 1343127602 920371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a reference to the "There is no Dana, only Zuul" line. < 1343127604 472352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that. < 1343127613 588571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, mobile firefox is a joke on a phone with 1 GB RAM. It works. Barely < 1343127621 628608 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. okay. < 1343127634 900996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you end up with so much other stuff getting killed by the system so everything gets slow when switching apps < 1343127642 63911 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow. microb works on n810 < 1343127647 791705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, microb? < 1343127651 871796 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity, never seen a xylophone? < 1343127672 984604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was "zuul"? < 1343127680 33750 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or was it micro-b. the meamo browser based on gecko and hildon < 1343127685 239919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1343127690 222525 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what are those? < 1343127693 740253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's MicroB. < 1343127696 181545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is n810? I thought it was n900? < 1343127700 99624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Musical instrument < 1343127706 71607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percussion-y keyboard-y < 1343127707 980670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those are the predecessor non-phone tablets. < 1343127711 17034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1343127711 796268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hit bits of metal with sticks < 1343127732 381384 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nokia produced four maemo devices. 770, n800, n810 and n900 < 1343127732 616241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Firefox itself seemed to work passably on the N900 (which has 256M of RAM) last I tried. < 1343127737 893458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1343127753 77247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, firefox used to work better on this laptop too < 1343127765 634352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think modern firefox is more bloated than a few versions ago < 1343127781 895553 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1343127841 666517 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.areweslimyet.com/ < 1343127869 324076 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it especialy shows when you do same kind of switch like I did. (Bon Echo+patches -> TenFourFox 4) My computer was so much faster but browser was a bit _slower_ < 1343127871 720293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I read that at least thrice as "are we slime yet". < 1343127885 961098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm? < 1343127907 515702 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bon Echo=Firefox 2 < 1343127923 706595 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TenFourFox 4=Firefox 4 < 1343127939 814585 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I did that switch in 2011 < 1343127946 995466 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer < 1343128010 681685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1343128054 571338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually the Bon Echo I used was based on Iceweasel 2 but the difference isn't that big < 1343128054 722529 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343128064 201619 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343128080 789730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is that TP5? < 1343128088 545830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does have a FAQ button. < 1343128093 945967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1343128098 874498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's 100 popular pages selected from Alexa top 500.) < 1343128124 112536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Scrubbed to be self-contained and so on.) < 1343128234 571270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But if Firefox has freed all the memory it allocated during the test, why is it using more memory after the test? Our data shows that most of the difference is due to heap fragmentation. Before the test, all the objects on our heap are tightly packed. But after the test, our heap uses twice as much space for the same amount of storage, because the objects on the heap now have gaps between them." <-- so < 1343128234 759575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : use a compacting GC... < 1343128307 83556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, with C++? < 1343128427 162597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is all well and good, but my Firefox still leaks like a sieve" is the best FAQ. < 1343128443 966184 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343128447 726072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also probably the most FAQ. < 1343128506 333946 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silverfish are a thing that actually exists? < 1343128586 262591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox doesn't exactly leak I think... It just uses a lot of memory. The amount doesn't increase that much over time, only a bit < 1343128599 205152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you can't get your omega 3 from them < 1343128617 900671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, yes but they are not fish as such < 1343128624 480529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of bugs < 1343128630 371855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check wp < 1343128647 476800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh insects < 1343128673 305552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my reference < 1343128692 145433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the way fish is sold as a provider of omega 3 < 1343128720 462514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a look on what chrome on my desktop uses. 1.6 GB "private memory" (I'm booted to windows atm, I have no clue how the memory works under that) < 1343128737 124085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, misread, 165 MB < 1343128738 161125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1343128746 901117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait a second < 1343128749 256513 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343128767 356548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 175 MB is what windows task manager claims in the private column < 1343128786 424499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it's both 165mb and 1.6gb in a quantum superposition < 1343128799 543844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,633,060k is what chrome claims under chrome://memory-redirect (redirect? what?) < 1343128809 67173 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1343128852 178553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 30 tabs or so open. Some quite heavy pages < 1343128866 766002 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advice is get comfortable with browser-refreshing, and deprioritizing open tabs. < 1343128876 921204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what? < 1343128886 755507 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deprioritizing tabs? < 1343128890 735896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway on my desktop even 1.6 GB would be a non-issue < 1343128896 142570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chrome://memory < 1343128898 91447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will redirect to “chrome://memory-redirect/”." < 1343128900 129682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by browser refreshing i mean closing a browser, and opening it again < 1343128900 762198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda weird. < 1343128908 639686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so does about:memory in chrome < 1343128909 873447 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343128912 21596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is firefox on my laptop < 1343128917 44226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 2 GB RAM < 1343128934 658733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop with 16 GB RAM... I just don't care if my browser is using a GB RAM or not < 1343128935 633059 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by deprioritizing open tabs i mean, occasionally go through your tabs and close the unnecessary ones < 1343128977 946483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, well, http://sprunge.us/hcYF < 1343128996 28947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1343129001 963678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ free -m < 1343129002 115093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1343129002 115281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 1838 1044 793 0 47 381 < 1343129002 115390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 615 1223 < 1343129002 115512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap: 2045 214 1830 < 1343129003 946559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop < 1343129004 185899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a mistake of accidentally starting up MATLAB locally on this box. I barely lived to tell the tale. < 1343129010 866185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1343129025 899688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just run the browser on some other computer too, really. < 1343129033 711130 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well try these: Kazehakase, Amaya, xxxterm and http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-1-2kb-python-browser-script/ < 1343129038 610210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why do I have 2045 MB swap? < 1343129057 714913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The box I run MATLAB at the moment has 48G of memory, I'm sure nobody would notice even a Firefox. < 1343129085 262830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda2 193 205 98280 83 Linux < 1343129085 414226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. < 1343129086 687136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it has 46G of those in use. < 1343129087 154038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1343129093 589920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't? < 1343129098 201785 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1343129103 33141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is that important... < 1343129110 801856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1343129130 100651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 1680MB 3824MB 2144MB primary linux-swap(v1) < 1343129131 858709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1343129138 874305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last MB number is the size < 1343129140 639582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from parted < 1343129157 972980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a 1000 vs. 1024 thingy? < 1343129164 436450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my firefox mem use is constantly creeping up nonstop < 1343129181 409629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, slowly or quickly? < 1343129194 279588 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly... 4kb at a time < 1343129196 228409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, use about:memory and the buttons at the bottom < 1343129211 761231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is one page at a time < 1343129242 611510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do you setup a compiler toolchain to compile native android programs. Like command line tools... < 1343129266 122153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html < 1343129282 557472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I thought that could only do *.so for JNI stuff? < 1343129354 573568 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1343129464 395614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the name of that software that allowed you to connect to existing X11 sessions < 1343129466 210972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1343129472 427252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression that http://source.android.com/ have a prebuilt toolchain, and in any case the source distribution should have everything necessary. < 1343129515 642964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be somewhat more involved than just doing regular Android development or using the NDK. < 1343129516 887276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I recently checked that out to find a specific stock icon... Wow did it take ages... < 1343129530 24634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 GB or something like that IIRC < 1343129538 845329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed the source tree after I was done < 1343129582 815113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it claims it is 6 GB, I guess git is to blame for the extra bulk < 1343129610 223468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For Gingerbread (2.3.x) and newer versions, including the master branch, a 64-bit environment is required. Older versions can be compiled on 32-bit systems." heh, why < 1343129627 116898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need the sun jdk specifically? < 1343129629 436535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1343129653 733942 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look at $ndk_root/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh < 1343129660 318649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks < 1343129734 455105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I accidentally installed a copy of Rome: Total War on my Haiku memory stick < 1343129767 206547 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343129776 742398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can you even run plain old regular native apps on those things? < 1343129795 766564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from a shell? sure < 1343129812 983499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are terminal emulators for it, and you can use adb shell from a computer to connect to it < 1343129849 85183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is by default a somewhat crippled environment. I installed busybox by doing cat /mnt/sdcard/busybox > /system/xbin/busybox because there was no cp < 1343129858 180027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how? < 1343129859 975396 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you are coding native apps for android remember that bionic libc is broken < 1343129881 699546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well I just wanted to compile a few useful tools < 1343129891 537856 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like? < 1343129892 857191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as an scp, maybe a dropbox one or something < 1343129895 147103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1343129897 226571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropbear* < 1343129904 171044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybear. < 1343129911 207565 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can try statical linking < 1343129917 569702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1343129919 713182 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedobear. < 1343129927 678001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the dropbear ssh server < 1343129933 68227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it provides a client < 1343129944 941578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropbear has a client too IIRC. < 1343129948 506975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect openssh's scp would be painful to get to work < 1343129949 178665 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does < 1343129972 139599 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had ssh on this computer when I only had dropbear installed < 1343129977 958096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the thingy I was writing the image doesn't like writing images, and prefers to write copies of CD's? < 1343129982 266587 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1343129990 643395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ? < 1343130007 426851 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image writer copied the CD I had in onto the memory stick instead of the ISO < 1343130013 32423 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343130032 133028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1343130075 355949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably install 'less' on the phone one day, it's so often I try to |less accidentally. < 1343130092 956048 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't android have more? < 1343130104 989643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Android has. < 1343130114 744961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 'more', but I often try 'less' instead. < 1343130119 202025 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you have maemo < 1343130125 499389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a N900. < 1343130125 650545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, nope! < 1343130138 184844 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least meamo has busybox < 1343130138 336244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I symlinked less to my copy of busybox of course < 1343130152 687205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is busybox with mostly everything in it < 1343130167 412040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly my aversion to 'more' is leftover paranoia from a DOS box where MORE.COM rebooted the computer. < 1343130176 77492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it did? < 1343130181 783253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was somehow broken. < 1343130185 491078 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does installing busybox require rooting the phone < 1343130186 40828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway more is inferior to less < 1343130186 192217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't normally. < 1343130223 51273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no, but you need to put the executable somewhere that has proper permissions (so not fat32 sdcard...) < 1343130234 869737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get the CLI on an android? < 1343130245 719065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, adb shell on the computer? adb is a program from the SDK < 1343130256 960462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1343130260 284814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you use an on-phone terminal emulator, there are a bunch of open source one on the market < 1343130277 610506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, non-root adb shell does however not have write access to any such location! < 1343130283 876066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if your right hand is too far to the right when you type "Okay", you get "Play" < 1343130286 159072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you use a terminal emulator on the phone < 1343130296 763811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put busybox in the private app dir of that app < 1343130302 670694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make it world readable < 1343130307 832920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly writable < 1343130313 35608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use it from adb shell < 1343130316 288086 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343130349 727969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a busybox in my VDSL2 modem (a GPL violation, in fact, I believe) that's really crappy. It's almost like they haven't designed it for shell use. (They haven't.) < 1343130353 178544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I rooted my phone and just put it in the path instead < 1343130362 54643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more convenient < 1343130394 596787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wait, which hand do you use for y? < 1343130402 539286 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left < 1343130405 883166 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what terminal emulator should I use? where is the private app dir? < 1343130409 437303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I use my right hand for that < 1343130417 597188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is on the right half of the keyboard < 1343130423 803823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really learnt to type properly? < 1343130426 67225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1343130449 233450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well, I used the one called "Terminal Emulator" XD < 1343130474 139101 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1343130487 31655 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where is the app dir located? < 1343130490 444455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1343130502 784878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh it is "Android Terminal Emulator" on google play < 1343130506 52725 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343130507 336711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue icon < 1343130512 96051 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1343130531 310415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and /data/data/jackpal.androidterm/ < 1343130539 177661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that one < 1343130546 320012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, for a different one the last bit will vary of course < 1343130553 451513 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343130557 387065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is the package name of the app < 1343130589 770237 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sl4a or connectbot as my terminal emulator < 1343130594 239676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, there is a dedicated "install busybox" app on the market too, haven't used it myself < 1343130600 786113 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343130604 788516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you could do the same for connectbot (which I also use, for ssh) < 1343130609 914083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a different package name? < 1343130615 544554 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1343130626 470821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check what it is, I have the code open in eclipse (wrote a patch for connectbot today) < 1343130651 298501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :org.connectbot apparently < 1343130686 171867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, does connectbot have sdcard access permissions though? < 1343130693 725373 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1343130696 537224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it does < 1343130699 581377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my copy does anyway < 1343130704 9913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is git head < 1343130721 975327 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343130745 838386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I got my busybox copy from the S3 root toolkit files. Seemed easiest at the time < 1343130781 897864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most pointless HTML file ever: /opt/android-ndk-r8b/docs/OVERVIEW.html < 1343130790 82546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a text file wrapped in
< 1343130790 807048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1343130809 159400 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343130836 417289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no non-html version though
< 1343131020 425031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has to be html, don't you know that ;)
< 1343131052 585938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSses of the future are just a kernel and a browser .
< 1343131068 474329 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not want
< 1343131082 662809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future does not care what you want ;)
< 1343131094 737443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $0`
< 1343131094 889304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $NDK_DIR`
< 1343131094 889495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $NDK_DIR`
< 1343131095 622031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343131124 295481 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'll build my OWN computer with µcontrollers! 
< 1343131125 426825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this won't work when invoked with a relative path I think
< 1343131127 729118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343131154 638549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, wirebonding and TTL logic?
< 1343131169 285378 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343131183 352982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not wirebonding
< 1343131186 156475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the wrong word
< 1343131188 41849 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(01:13:04 PM) fizzie: What, with C++? <- C++11 allows GC
< 1343131193 576353 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wirewrapping?
< 1343131202 294582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes that is it
< 1343131214 691005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, compacting GC?
< 1343131216 813055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, HOW?
< 1343131261 396132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think you could include a GC in C/C++... The compiler has to embed type information though so you can know what is a pointer and what isn't
< 1343131281 209590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would still be easy to break it by doing stuff many programs do but which isn't strictly conforming
< 1343131301 944624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People actually use that Boehm GC sometimes, I believe.
< 1343131312 538066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the conservative guesswork mostly-works ones.
< 1343131358 648621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However C++11 adds a few restrictions to implementations so that some behavior that would prevent garbage collection to work is now disallowed. This includes in particular common ways to "hide" pointers from a possible garbage collector, like applying xor to it."
< 1343131364 129130 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2011/n3242.pdf
< 1343131364 443104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I recall they did something like that.
< 1343131366 492409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, boehm gc is not compacting
< 1343131372 854015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't say it was.
< 1343131386 630550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just said "include a GC".
< 1343131394 861530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343131399 549077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I meant a compacting one
< 1343131403 446194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually not slow
< 1343131416 666672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used boehm, it is slow
< 1343131430 831848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :old versions of cfunge supported it as an option
< 1343131457 128684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131467 732086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 1334-page PDF is the best response to a question like that.
< 1343131502 546099 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a working paper for the standard
< 1343131522 108428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm however 99% sure that cfunge has no actual memory leaks. There are some stuff that will never shrink due to poor fingerprint design or the stuff being kept around in a pool for the future, but no actual leaks.
< 1343131626 344250 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/C++0xFAQ.html#gc-abi
< 1343131637 698722 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably a better answer
< 1343131725 814810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" There are legitimate reasons to disguise pointers (e.g. the xor trick in exceptionally memory-constrained applications), but not as many as some programmers think. "
< 1343131730 844320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what xor trick?
< 1343131742 984047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would it help with memory-constrained applications
< 1343131747 916960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the xor trick
< 1343131770 459615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes
< 1343131772 348201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1343131789 736088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can do a doubly-linked list with just one pointer.
< 1343131801 85267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, nice
< 1343131806 527843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343131811 466536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Assuming you always know one of the neighbours, the one you're coming from.
< 1343131834 765740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously
< 1343131859 681517 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131865 432744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means if you give someone a plain "Node*" they can't iterate in either direction, of course.
< 1343131870 626924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But them's the breaks.
< 1343131886 525644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1343131896 932017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kind of useful in some embedded systems I guess
< 1343131921 302295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it live, but it's quite often mentioned as an example in these discussions.
< 1343131925 311305 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131997 104256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you were putting busybox on your phone?
< 1343132001 954387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how did that work out?
< 1343132003 962545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can remove the pointer overhead by as much just by unrolling two (or more by unrolling a few more) list elements in a single node, anyway.
< 1343132015 29837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/remove/lower/ or whatever.
< 1343132017 544342 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343132020 58122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true
< 1343132024 19611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduce is the word I was thinking of, probably.
< 1343132031 2680 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit
< 1343132112 347919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, now MTP started working under linux
< 1343132116 726780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I started rythmbox
< 1343132118 450191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343132143 179685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it started working /IN/ rythmbox, no it opened nautilus with the phone
< 1343132150 902270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the phone with nautilus
< 1343132167 986512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it only shows the content after I close rythmbox
< 1343132474 62740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You can generate fibonacci sequence by chaining ^^++[+[-
< 1343132494 640034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {2 3}{^^++[+[-}e!
< 1343132495 587519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{3 5}
< 1343132520 316227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {2 3}{^^++[+[-}2.*\[e!
< 1343132521 133246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{5 8}
< 1343132549 906256 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343132577 136825 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tclsh
< 1343132587 891582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: tclsh: command not found
< 1343132599 423221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {0 1}{^^++[+[-}9.*\[e!-]
< 1343132600 749460 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :34
< 1343132606 883921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- 9th fibonacci number
< 1343132623 995634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {0 1}{^^++[+[-}10.*\[e!-]
< 1343132624 668977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :55
< 1343132630 353451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- 10th fibonacci number and so on.
< 1343132695 615452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It calculates the sum of the list, appends to sum to the list, and removes the first element of the list.
< 1343132706 194751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the sum to
< 1343132726 723720 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you calculate a square root?
< 1343132811 712919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) 1{1.+}{^^.*81==1.-}w!
< 1343132811 905054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1343132838 488123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment it, duplicate, multiply, compare with the number
< 1343132845 43527 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use that to generate the nth fibonacci number
< 1343132863 589864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=1;i*i != 81;i++) 
< 1343132876 237033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, no wonder this box is slow; a gigabyte of memory, and someone else has a full gnome desktop also running in a Xvnc on it.
< 1343132886 16020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.- is the not, here :)
< 1343132891 708069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not really a not of course.
< 1343132975 513255 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of a language is that?
< 1343133001 886175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : increment it, duplicate, multiply, compare with the number <-- that sounds like a slow square root implementation
< 1343133016 191449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed.
< 1343133024 602976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, besides what will it do when the square root is not an integer?
< 1343133038 206302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, talk to them about it?
< 1343133062 174078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stlang has a sqrt builtin, so Burlesque get's one too
< 1343133082 367464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not available *yet*.
< 1343133085 507041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1343133093 261742 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you can round, fibonacci would get really easy
< 1343133098 659188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how is sqrt normally done on real hardware?
< 1343133103 231915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point sqrt that is
< 1343133106 838914 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use the formula
< 1343133114 59966 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1343133121 300110 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :My calculator uses newton's method
< 1343133125 802048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343133128 783286 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1343133136 765693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does glibc do
< 1343133142 580097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newton tangens thingy?
< 1343133151 78302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with that one
< 1343133154 755785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know who it is.
< 1343133173 565288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: round floats?
< 1343133186 274377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know the user name of course, but I hardly know anyone here.
< 1343133187 411195 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, for Fibonacci
< 1343133210 5379 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tails/replicate version works, but will get slower of course :)
< 1343133229 677788 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to add Floats first :)
< 1343133236 514806 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1343133241 14476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But
< 1343133248 369803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme 10 minutes and it's done :D
< 1343133264 373753 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, could you make integers that can be larger
< 1343133270 516024 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell's Integer
< 1343133276 691087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could switch to Integer
< 1343133305 835537 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ri^^{\/^^.+\/1.-}{}w!vv with 100000 gives me 0
< 1343133345 528494 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 31 gives me
< 1343133351 790951 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2147483648
< 1343133363 143134 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which both look like an overflow :(
< 1343133370 317313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343133372 618549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int is bounded.
< 1343133449 949991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although certain haskell functions onyl take Int
< 1343133462 400302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so If I use Integer I have to "downsize" it to Int for some functions
< 1343133497 919243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, or avoid those functions
< 1343133510 65523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing replacements for them
< 1343133527 277925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that, yes.
< 1343133579 955603 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm writing HELP (Handy esoteric language preprocessed) for blsq :D
< 1343133598 437664 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*preprocessor
< 1343133746 189467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Data.List have generic functions
< 1343133750 137976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which work on Integral stuff.
< 1343133785 538787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343133788 520640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericTake
< 1343134046 535137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/commit/0fe0340d664617e65fc3f92a2555485c24ed7a48 <- Integer
< 1343134148 184903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1343134728 38902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm NEON registers are mapped into the same memory as the FPU registers on ARM
< 1343134728 866525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343134731 279301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is like MMX
< 1343134733 517767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible
< 1343134759 182503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1343134781 887903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) 81.0 0.5 **
< 1343134782 609274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.0
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< 1343135935 70044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: blsq ) 3.1459 3 r_
< 1343135935 221485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.146
< 1343135958 628874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HELP support #define,#include stuff?
< 1343135998 390143 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't tried it yet
< 1343136119 721176 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so far it's a simple macro preprocessor, I plan to add more features such as #include
< 1343136183 253528 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk
< 1343136267 45035 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: eventually it should have much more than cpp
< 1343136287 436508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the closed fibonacci formula is not really practical on any physical machine :)
< 1343136296 227276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it diverges pretty soon.
< 1343136305 392027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere around 40
< 1343136321 408198 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343136333 29444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you expect?
< 1343136336 522612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah
< 1343136343 676318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpus have limited precision.
< 1343136381 535860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I'm going to work on getting various useful tools compiled for my phone. If you want copies once I get them working I will happily share if your ABI is compatible
< 1343136393 966297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for ARMv7 with NEON here
< 1343136394 822812 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you stored it in ExtraLongFloat?
< 1343136404 773213 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that'd be BigDouble
< 1343136414 763781 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have arbitrary precision floating point code.
< 1343136427 740415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would only push the problem a little bit further into the future ;)
< 1343136432 14219 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what processor you have them compiled to?
< 1343136438 800421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Like gmp?
< 1343136462 29921 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that
< 1343136465 396803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp also only has a fixed precision afaik.
< 1343136465 898567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Well I read the NDK docs now and it seems I want ARMv7 with NEON
< 1343136474 408078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, since my phone supports that
< 1343136476 658935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can initialize a float with 100000000000000 bit precision
< 1343136478 693686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still fixed.
< 1343136482 658617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can even target more specifically than that
< 1343136486 487729 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well my phone is ARMv6 ...
< 1343136503 389107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch. You have to do your own compiling then (or find suitable versions)
< 1343136513 382416 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, You could do something like
< 1343136524 447161 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :log2(n)*32 bits percision
< 1343136535 391664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how old is it?
< 1343136550 441194 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought it new in spring 2011
< 1343136554 115623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343136558 955333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, low end I presume?
< 1343136563 243534 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343136567 815893 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTC Wildfire
< 1343136577 995150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that even the N900 has an ARMv7
< 1343136580 740396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that right?
< 1343136682 791414 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer use it as my main phone because after I accidentaly dropped it in sink full of water, disassembled it and let it dry it no longer recognises my SIM card
< 1343136733 502743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh
< 1343136738 43531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so what is your main phone?
< 1343136748 670791 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343136751 938819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1343136759 872195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and how old is that model?
< 1343136765 792011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and does it have NEON?
< 1343136777 607550 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some old Nokia phone I picked up at second hand shop for 8 euros
< 1343136795 20425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does have NEON, and it's from about 2010 I suppose.
< 1343136816 67877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1343136824 288161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah your phone was definitely low end :P
< 1343136831 419467 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343136849 111643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no hardware fpu
< 1343136864 797042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same OMAP3 platform model that's in e.g. Motorola Droid and Palm Pre, if you know those things.
< 1343136865 537321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even if it has one, android ndk won't use it)
< 1343136878 390173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not really no
< 1343136917 850624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: mash the volume down button on the computer that the headphones are actually connected to next time
< 1343137008 300687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now to compile file(1)
< 1343137027 532617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :first step: finding the source
< 1343137043 97779 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try stealing the sash version. it is self contained
< 1343137058 524303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my busybox lacks file
< 1343137059 237940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343137066 21579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, any features lacking?
< 1343137094 392926 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it has builtin database but nothing that I can tell
< 1343137132 435479 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also building sash can be good thing to do regardless. it is bit nicer than android toolbox
< 1343137150 627884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I do have busybox on it, and I very much like busybox
< 1343137159 548439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that my busybox lacks file
< 1343137190 244716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apt-get source file might work
< 1343137240 327994 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. I thought that you were installing busybox. sash has for example builtin gzip/gunzip, chmod, cp and tar
< 1343137255 426093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no I installed busybox earlier with a prebuilt version of it
< 1343137262 650308 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343137263 997266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two weeks ago
< 1343137284 349545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but file is such a useful command when poking around :P
< 1343137298 27380 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343137318 200664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, massive ubuntu patch from apt-get source
< 1343137318 521727 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my busybox on  my main computer also lacks file
< 1343137335 222974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 patch files
< 1343137343 966428 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :file is just a shell script that invokes sash
< 1343137344 117799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure busybox even has file
< 1343137371 658304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my GNU file (or whatever, is the usual file GNU?)
< 1343137691 570748 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343137770 304706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1343137783 484090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm gonna write me a syntax highlighter html-format for Burlesque
< 1343137789 625248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can write a cookbook for it :D
< 1343137793 467890 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343137805 152342 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343137841 319645 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343137853 812424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, what is the --build and --host for android
< 1343137903 448508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to cross-compile some autotools thing for Android?
< 1343137906 871208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes
< 1343137910 107695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, file
< 1343137927 601603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the --host from the cross compiler's -v output was unrecognized
< 1343137939 69726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a small shell script to run adb pull and run your host's file command on it
< 1343137950 891069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is arm-linux-androideabi
< 1343137963 860410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I want it from the terminal emulator on the device :P
< 1343138033 162831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, this problem sounds reasonably googlable :)
< 1343138041 660352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343138043 611976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343138220 955767 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is actually incapable of googling
< 1343138237 99276 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look through the logs you'll see many instances of this unfortunate syndrome.
< 1343138250 619142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Vorpal
< 1343138253 902342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea.
< 1343138289 572674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olsner
< 1343138292 530162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1343138311 416117 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom
< 1343138314 702887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ hexham \ ievan \ intercal \ internationale \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lens \ lifthrasiir \ mad \ misspellings of croissant \ monad \ monads \ monoid
< 1343138314 950653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, there is a newer config.sub
< 1343138320 717634 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1343138324 100276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom
< 1343138334 361335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1343138337 581070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1343138341 183137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138344 982885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138351 339268 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138354 59934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir is shunned by the rest of his country for being no good at League of Legends.
< 1343138357 405784 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1343138359 397505 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1343138366 816355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?
< 1343138370 132221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z) \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" \
< 1343138380 785265 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343138393 370616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski
< 1343138396 279992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
< 1343138476 197696 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee
< 1343138478 352567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, isn't banach-tarski effectively saying the same thing as 2*Inf = Inf?
< 1343138479 144959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants.
< 1343138493 587154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finns
< 1343138496 970247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are helpful, albeit grossly overpopulated (cf. 'Finland').
< 1343138499 351767 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but there's more balls involved.
< 1343138548 880101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, I selected --enable-static and got a dynamically linked binary
< 1343138549 548697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1343138572 782752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :--enable-static is short for --enable-static=no
< 1343138577 494244 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try --static
< 1343138583 58142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, really?
< 1343138596 840697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I googled it for you
< 1343138601 434227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you read the list of dynamic libraries without using ldd (which obviously won't work cross-platform)
< 1343138607 235751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I don't believe it
< 1343138612 865296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then don't!
< 1343138625 136674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is only the library
< 1343138627 212206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343138662 782537 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Guy Greg should be a religion.
< 1343138671 997378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, unknown option. I guess I need to mess with CFLAGS and/or LDFLAGS
< 1343138675 275060 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :for atheists
< 1343138696 351901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are those arguments for configure?
< 1343138696 650905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a way to list of dynamic libraries without ldd sounds useful... obviously the information is in there, in some section related to dynamic linking
< 1343138701 398580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes
< 1343138714 657129 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CFLAGS=--static
< 1343138719 707318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and it is -static for gcc I'm pretty sure (as in, just one -)=
< 1343138723 320874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1343138728 369108 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'll need to find it for Vorpal
< 1343138732 765568 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there's no hope for him
< 1343138733 322398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is
< 1343138738 402620 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well gcc seems to accept both
< 1343138743 649835 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343138772 588720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: ahh modern religion might prove be kick ass, hence they won't actually call it religion
< 1343138810 676634 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Good Guy Greg inspires what is essentially humanism.
< 1343138844 547720 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should switch majors to English and then right a thesis on Good Guy Greg.
< 1343138865 716666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Good Guy is becoming a group now
< 1343138895 243703 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343138906 223442 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1343138914 549108 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead.”
< 1343138917 571601 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :― Kurt Vonnegut 
< 1343138938 783596 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343138986 285749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my file works
< 1343139010 710176 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1343139018 376007 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your file is just, like, data man.
< 1343139034 623733 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: command named file
< 1343139043 283245 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: on the surface it's easy
< 1343139077 223561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it expects to find the magic data under a specific place though, since that is how normal file works. I decided to go for putting all my custom stuff in /data/arvid, since I found it unlikely to collide with anything else
< 1343139082 943533 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike your mom, who is easy at all depths.
< 1343139088 818592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is useless to you
< 1343139107 23539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a start, different ABI, also your phone is not rooted, so you can't use that path)
< 1343139117 121084 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139118 945995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of appeals to nature, to genetics, to other things, to explain human desires
< 1343139124 544576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it rooted
< 1343139128 579991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said it wasn't
< 1343139131 319552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure any more
< 1343139132 423555 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just compile my own cross compiler
< 1343139140 375301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, eh, android ndk includes it
< 1343139145 715921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to set it up
< 1343139151 933549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, society becomes reified
< 1343139154 532970 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much disk space it requires?
< 1343139156 595260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like run a script, export a few env variables
< 1343139157 820998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343139240 931672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 561 MB for the NDK itself (when uncompressed). The script then generates the standalone toolchain directory tree (98 MB), after that you can throw away the rest of the NDK. You also need a few basic bits of the SDK to push your files onto the device probably
< 1343139251 344309 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139258 88804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how large those bits of the SDK are
< 1343139265 898179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have a lot of the SDK installed
< 1343139266 716632 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bits?
< 1343139272 147429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for multiple ABI versions
< 1343139272 996398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343139280 200075 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139301 53703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the platform tools and sdk tools
< 1343139308 77118 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343139314 30865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, to get adb for adb shell?
< 1343139324 246705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc part of the NDK docs said it was needed
< 1343139341 115555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right you might want to save the docs directory from the NDK as well :P
< 1343139354 482595 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does it need usb connection to phone?
< 1343139370 920410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well how else would you push files easily?
< 1343139380 176942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could send them over some other way
< 1343139382 114163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1343139400 195687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but no the NDK doesn't need it when compiling
< 1343139405 538055 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have a problem. I don't reliable usb port
< 1343139412 358652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, huh?
< 1343139414 421022 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+have
< 1343139421 944565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, send it over however you want then
< 1343139434 584087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use whatever you use on the device for the shell :P
< 1343139435 91656 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only usb port on this machine sometimes refuses to work
< 1343139441 432311 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139463 89857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, just be aware of that you need numeric modes for the standard chmod on android :P
< 1343139469 640874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is pretty terrible
< 1343139504 687886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm /sbin/ueventd is a symlink to /init
< 1343139507 400012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1343139537 526287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is ueventd, thought it was udev, but doesn't appear so
< 1343139549 131452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: i suppose my confusion is to how an individual gains more benefits by reproducing and by providing riches and power to his/her offspring than he/she benefits by living in harmony
< 1343139561 456299 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what other modes there are other than numeric?
< 1343139565 178497 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139576 17851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, in order to have our individuality are we secretly in debt to our collective?
< 1343139582 536352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, symbolic, like u+x
< 1343139586 420919 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343139586 572198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't work
< 1343139590 338275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139593 900411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do 775 or whatever
< 1343139606 887171 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that kind of modes existed
< 1343139612 656439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really?
< 1343139617 477544 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use numeric mode
< 1343139619 272789 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343139619 424264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we secretly required to help our own species compete and prosper against other species?
< 1343139622 153883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that way you can do difference to existing
< 1343139628 694781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't with numeric
< 1343139635 502356 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343139652 126434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, like chmod -R g+r . to recursively add group read to a directory hierarchy
< 1343139653 923566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is our means of doing this to blow up earth? :D
< 1343139654 751614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the man page :P
< 1343139669 4207 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'll just install man
< 1343139674 946399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, "lol"
< 1343139677 4599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and man-pages
< 1343139686 360058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the actual data files
< 1343139691 993539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1343139692 708338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139697 685944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever your system calls that package
< 1343139698 679612 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1343139707 663397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have manuals
< 1343139714 177281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1343139759 552964 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I already had them but I had to install retawq to use man
< 1343139781 880097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is retawq
< 1343139795 105397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, wait are you still on netbsd?
< 1343139802 606709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the ndk will work on that
< 1343139806 101694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. on slitaz
< 1343139807 375628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- not so good guy
< 1343139814 516583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is slitaz?
< 1343139816 923660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it linux?
< 1343139820 353299 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1343139843 97961 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: netbsd was in my virtual machine
< 1343139868 858462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so anyone knows how to do what ldd does without using ldd? Since ldd is not cross-platform
< 1343139872 726100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess readelf can do it
< 1343139878 651245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know which bit
< 1343139884 537865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343139953 50737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i mean is that it seems to me that what is a crime among individuals is often not against the goals of a species at large
< 1343139980 484324 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like?
< 1343140007 428062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, stealing is just about being competitive with resources
< 1343140018 933682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah readelf -d
< 1343140028 717940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NEEDED" lines
< 1343140065 538099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, google altruism
< 1343140160 283261 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure if that was intended as a counterargument
< 1343140164 239819 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really one.
< 1343140205 949574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of is?
< 1343140225 214607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do what ldd does without using ldd? set the magic environment variable and run the program, then it will print the ldd output and exit instead of starting up
< 1343140267 701254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity, rather than trying to outsmart the other individuals to get the most food or whatever for yourself, a /truly/ altruistic approach would be to share so that everyone gets enough to survive at least
< 1343140308 610759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think...
< 1343140314 268741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've broken my memory stick
< 1343140318 479630 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do I need to specify what android version to use?
< 1343140329 297752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true altruism might involve selecting the people that are useful for everyone and feeding them first
< 1343140341 53686 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343140343 604719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no it won't, because dynamic linker is stupid on target platform :P
< 1343140360 432959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think where humanity is heading is to focus not on killing the excess, but having less babies, based on a change of priority to benefit those living humans rather than increasing their number
< 1343140368 484278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, android doesn't use ld.so, it uses a custom inferior one (/system/bin/linker)
< 1343140377 775565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, err the API version yes
< 1343140390 448878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what does about device say for android version?
< 1343140398 562988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can convert it to the API version for you
< 1343140403 787721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas what http://imgur.com/M1RjT means?
< 1343140406 712430 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2.2.1
< 1343140432 565716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343140461 695601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's what mount gives you when something is wrong, could mean anything
< 1343140473 815903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, $NDK/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh --platform=android-8 --install-dir=/tmp/my-android-toolchain
< 1343140492 654648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that should be the right one
< 1343140500 435092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at a point as a species that, in an emergency we could probably reach 50 billion humans in 10 years with appropriate use of laws and medical technology
< 1343140516 582773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we no longer need our obsession with sex
< 1343140526 32277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and then move /tmp/my-android-toolchain to wheverever you want
< 1343140528 961153 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, can just format it?
< 1343140530 734327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read the rest of the document
< 1343140531 26988 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140553 664837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or specify your final target location for it right away)
< 1343140569 380838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon /opt/android-ndk-r8b $ ls platforms/
< 1343140569 532203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :android-14  android-3  android-4  android-5  android-8  android-9
< 1343140577 249503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all API versions have new NDK versions
< 1343140590 766221 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140605 358596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fwiw, it's usually *not* a broken file system that's the cause
< 1343140615 418900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I wanted to format it anyway
< 1343140626 616726 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343140633 503692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then formatting before trying to mount it is a good idea
< 1343140645 438441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway, you might want to save a copy of docs/STANDALONE-TOOLCHAIN.html at least even if you delete the rest of the NDK
< 1343140661 418616 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140662 141220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the entire docs/
< 1343140665 590439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't that large
< 1343140692 915554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i didn't make monqy leave, i have /leave paranoia when someone leaves after i have started 
< 1343140707 10333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think he is so fickle as that
< 1343140710 218789 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1343140724 702757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sudo file -sL /dev/sdb1 
< 1343140727 527421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say
< 1343140748 195813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"data"
< 1343140751 417333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343140757 262630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sudo file -sL /dev/sdb* ? 
< 1343140772 413630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sdb1: data
< 1343140777 650954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1343140778 774656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and for /dev/sdb itself?
< 1343140781 433039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to take off the 1
< 1343140791 349837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'bootimg                         ' (bootable)
< 1343140803 513048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, how does that even have a sdb1 then
< 1343140811 903614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is obviously no partition table
< 1343140814 977025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DOES THAT WORK?
< 1343140823 327695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW
< 1343140852 560689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, did you not unplug and replug it after you messed up the partition table?
< 1343140855 354564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it
< 1343140868 546106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've repeatedly unplugged and replugged it?
< 1343140872 22141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343140872 795992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343140875 727955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have no idea
< 1343140898 566292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway I don't think bootable USB sticks work like that
< 1343140904 845537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what it is supposed to be
< 1343141064 713790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though
< 1343141118 7818 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: can't open name: no such file
< 1343141120 929464 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_text_--arch=: not found
< 1343141124 12418 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_abstract_Specify: not found
< 1343141125 652984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343141126 997749 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1343141136 706557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you specify?
< 1343141140 481996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your command line
< 1343141154 27819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you specify --arch to it? Since it defaults to arm
< 1343141162 939726 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSROOT=/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/platforms/android-8/arch-arm/ $NDK/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh --platform=android-8 --install-dir=/tmp/my-android-toolchain
< 1343141182 52499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is not right
< 1343141184 34852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the script to *compile* a toolchain from scratch? the ndk already has a built toolchain you can use
< 1343141199 187658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, drop the sysroot stuff, that is for the alternative approach
< 1343141234 351577 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343141257 485126 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: can't open name: no such file
< 1343141260 405346 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_text_--toolchain=: not found
< 1343141263 530468 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_abstract_Specify: not found
< 1343141265 595504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, okay, maybe you need bash for this?
< 1343141266 510550 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr: syntax error
< 1343141267 491772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1343141272 808507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least dash
< 1343141284 449016 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing with bash
< 1343141289 427529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then I'm clueless
< 1343141297 167414 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343141297 694644 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying busybox instead of toybox
< 1343141303 752674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that might help yes
< 1343141345 12934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, personally I used the full gnu thingy, I guess I could export one and upload it to dropbox for you if that doesn't work. Going to take a while though, my upload is rather slow
< 1343141351 19286 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing
< 1343141383 42248 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are your binaries PIII compatible?
< 1343141397 844714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well, the script forces 32-bit binaries
< 1343141403 493939 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343141406 813400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the NDK works on PIII then sure
< 1343141443 878206 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get on this memory stick
< 1343141481 515173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 MB file to upload, *tries to recompress as xz*
< 1343141521 670019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz -9 running...
< 1343141557 286176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using plain xz would probably end up being faster :-P
< 1343141568 859484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1343141573 89348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still smaller than bzip2
< 1343141588 780030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1343141590 327047 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9 only differs from -8 for files bigger than 32 megs anyway
< 1343141591 54445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-99.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343141618 707651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well the file is 96 MB :P
< 1343141627 978905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 MB from bzip2
< 1343141633 649951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1343141643 101249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 16 MB from plain xz
< 1343141647 439503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough
< 1343141670 80588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves it to the dropbox directory
< 1343141749 215435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway the default is -6 not -8
< 1343141778 8042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah xz is slow
< 1343141795 719251 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, I was just pointing out that -9 is uselessly much anyway
< 1343141802 637654 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although of course it's easier to just use -9 always
< 1343141805 525199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or -9e :-P)
< 1343141825 934615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, -e increases the work on the uncompressing side, no?
< 1343141834 14118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess not
< 1343141838 724104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343141849 149121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it compresses worse, of course
< 1343141859 470075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does higher number mean more memory when uncompressing then?
< 1343141864 17431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1343141865 986028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343141871 948982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess -6 is good for nortti then :P
< 1343141879 980217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with his low spec machine
< 1343141886 2176 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343141904 914341 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your phone is probably more powerful
< 1343141915 167907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87474461/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6.tar.xz
< 1343141928 879487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes, quad core 1.4 GHz ARMv7 with NEON :P
< 1343141933 52505 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343141935 673972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has more cores than my laptop
< 1343141946 567282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Core 2 Duo @ 2.26 GHz)
< 1343141960 911155 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. my computer is single core 700 MHz Pentium III
< 1343141979 540918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, still my desktop beats both: Quad core Core i7 (Sandy Bridge) at 3.4 GHz
< 1343141993 919398 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343141995 57883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has hyperthreading too
< 1343142009 471949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 8 logical cores, 4 real ones
< 1343142032 487976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. well I'm moving to 500MHz g3 with 640MB of RAM in few weeks
< 1343142034 507313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway tell me when you finished downloading, I want to delete that file when I'm done
< 1343142039 290341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :g3?
< 1343142040 272118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343142044 962567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you
< 1343142047 356994 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done
< 1343142052 258827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would you use a G3?
< 1343142061 561794 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was cheap
< 1343142075 767388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not going to drop your current machine I hope
< 1343142083 695694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343142099 479088 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current machine has 64MB of RAM
< 1343142110 688475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hope of android programming on PPC I'm afraid, without making your own toolchain from scratch
< 1343142124 771068 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah?
< 1343142129 891090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think the SDK for java supports that either
< 1343142143 564003 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. I hate java
< 1343142146 451634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1343142154 792497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why did you ever get an android phone then? ;P
< 1343142168 2125 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because other choice was nokia
< 1343142175 7454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbian? right
< 1343142179 494436 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with symbian s60
< 1343142258 795794 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbian that the last nokia symbian phones used was large improvement over symbian s60
< 1343142287 23379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you might need to download new config.sub or config.guess for autotools projects, if they complain about androideabi being an unknown system
< 1343142298 759223 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142306 635829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used --host=arm-linux-androideabi to ./configure
< 1343142360 491288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also set --prefix to wherever you intend to put the stuff on the phone, then use DESTDIR=some/path/here make install
< 1343142370 319523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't try to install to that absolute path
< 1343142483 542218 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where configure is located?
< 1343142507 327678 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you're talking about busybox
< 1343142537 959188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no about ./configure style projects
< 1343142542 624976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142544 236606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, like GNU file
< 1343142548 985488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox uses a different system
< 1343142555 26102 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142555 177653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically like the kernel config
< 1343142559 819906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how you set that up
< 1343142567 183571 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I'll try
< 1343142575 548753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll google :PO
< 1343142577 75585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P*
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< 1343142587 984531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like first hit is their FAQ
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< 1343143001 194171 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: HELP will also allow comments I think :)
< 1343143040 380438 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, comments that do not take time to process)
< 1343143070 495306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, comments that do not take time to process?
< 1343143071 271613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343143087 216420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it will take time to parse them
< 1343143113 15136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, you can't write a lexer which magically skips comments!
< 1343143131 988495 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :include/libbb.h:256:7: error: size of array 'BUG_off_t_size_is_misdetected' is negative
< 1343143132 849456 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're preprocessed out long before execution
< 1343143136 692318 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. what?
< 1343143142 973712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, right, you didn't specify at which stage
< 1343143144 404399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what
< 1343143150 720016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what are you trying to compile?
< 1343143155 115269 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox
< 1343143155 943234 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: currently you would have to pop a value from the stack
< 1343143167 940111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh I'm configuring it atm. Spending ages in menuconfig for it XD
< 1343143171 425517 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but you're right, I should have mentioned that
< 1343143174 653092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah I'm that sort of person)
< 1343143202 480906 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: make defconfig
< 1343143231 1333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, default config? Too boring
< 1343143240 500934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides some of these options look bad on android
< 1343143244 11119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no /var
< 1343143253 261675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously can't do stuff that requires that
< 1343143310 971411 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343143461 596355 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use devpts?
< 1343143516 95490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well on my phone the answer is yes
< 1343143526 782219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check if you have /dev/pts (and something in that) on your own phone
< 1343143551 350452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also avoid the suid stuff, especially if you aren't rooted, you are not going to have /etc/busybox.conf in any case
< 1343143578 467680 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 1) would you be able to make an online shell (I could maybe do it if you don't want to) 2) haskeline is not part of haskell-platform
< 1343143588 62175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Build options, set the sysroot and so on (/opt/android-ndk-standalone/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/sysroot for me)
< 1343143594 130756 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Path to BusyBox executable (BUSYBOX_EXEC_PATH) [/proc/self/exe] ?
< 1343143603 980978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, sure, that is standard linux behaviour
< 1343143703 783181 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :intallation prefix?
< 1343143723 989489 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: never mind 2, I installed libghc6-haskeline-dev
< 1343143730 94751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm? where is that?
< 1343143751 502782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I like how the config tool warns you that enabling a specific feature will use ~60 bytes more
< 1343143752 872788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1343143785 772895 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BusyBox installation prefix (PREFIX) [./_install]
< 1343143820 441692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no idea
< 1343143829 367388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I can't find the applet selection list
< 1343143830 804251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it
< 1343143882 996591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1343143886 925800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't the top menu XD
< 1343143900 418869 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use termios to manipulate the screen (FEATURE_USE_TERMIOS) [Y/n/?]
< 1343143928 687888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, I'm jumping around in menu config, not using plain config
< 1343143944 148433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should be enabled
< 1343143956 464626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least after reading the help for it
< 1343144084 769675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is patch under editors?
< 1343144095 658191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten that far yet
< 1343144300 923145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, bbiab food
< 1343144699 508846 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still getting include/libbb.h:256:7: error: size of array 'BUG_off_t_size_is_misdetected' is negative error
< 1343145178 613654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343145190 109292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I will try to compile it myself soon
< 1343145559 753540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-empty list comonad can be coapplicative, isn't it?
< 1343145574 542243 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:1: error: unknown type name 'ssize_t'
< 1343145574 694338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:34: error: unknown type name 'size_t'
< 1343145574 845599 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:56: error: unknown type name 'FILE'
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< 1343145580 283678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, huh
< 1343145583 703873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is screwed up
< 1343145592 482280 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to compile toybox
< 1343145604 764001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343145612 750359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk_: Did you have _ on your name before, or just now?
< 1343145613 840430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I run into the libbb thing too
< 1343145643 309652 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the client puts it on if it can't get my nick, due to a stuck connection, etc.
< 1343145651 913797 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343145652 142042 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk
< 1343145665 448304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh googling that error suggests some small patches may be needed
< 1343145675 654358 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343145705 966757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, or hm configs/android_ndk_defconfig?
< 1343145728 208126 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1343145735 524057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in the busybox sources
< 1343145737 776886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that file existsw
< 1343145740 112885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists*
< 1343145740 849195 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343145744 963828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Do you know coapplicative?
< 1343145749 956264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I do want a few extra applets though
< 1343145757 792351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway google the libbbb error
< 1343145762 674272 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen various attempts by people to specify one
< 1343145767 56889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit was on github, very useful
< 1343145791 94129 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as you don't have comonoids in hask its less relevant ;)
< 1343145800 114758 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we also don't have coexponentials
< 1343145827 909578 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PART :#esoteric
< 1343146281 196090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah https://github.com/tias/android-busybox-ndk works for me so far (still compiling) Need to adjust the API version from 9 to 8 for your phone though
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< 1343146460 606276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay this busybox has lsof
< 1343146465 17010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I was using did not
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< 1343147454 505278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should I be able to install busybox if I download the file to sdcard using ftp with es explorer and the install it using cat to /data/org.connectbot ?
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< 1343147601 460548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, sure, and then chmod as required
< 1343147625 367567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh and use busybox ln rather than just ln if you want to link the applets
< 1343147632 137885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot why
< 1343147639 5994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but android ln was slightly broken
< 1343147645 920813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the exact details
< 1343147916 772961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, btw why haven't you rooted the phone?
< 1343148297 44857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1343148313 595013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, did it work?
< 1343148318 687436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I think I could hack something together using Ajax and CGI, yes.
< 1343148401 460043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably without Ajax too :)
< 1343148706 916249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't host it, no.
< 1343148725 797533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without lots of efforts.
< 1343148758 65620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to make sure that the process terminates after a time, terminates if it consumes to much time etc.
< 1343148775 874053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure apaches cgi module has enough support for that.
< 1343148803 652463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you could write a cgi wrapper for that?
< 1343148828 266534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could.
< 1343148844 631355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew the right unix tools to launch processes with restrictions :)
< 1343148880 415013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343148884 464462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache has RLimitMEM
< 1343148885 431290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.
< 1343148923 32103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Then I can host it.
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< 1343149177 486194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is NOW TIME TO INSTALL HAIKU
< 1343149179 186665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1343149411 889601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why haiku?
< 1343149414 754093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that beos?
< 1343149604 660592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343149623 293878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want all my OS's to be from different families
< 1343149636 326865 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: compile failed
< 1343149639 858082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend with a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate
< 1343149646 292544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm used to Ubuntu
< 1343149649 733404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I craved a third
< 1343149660 965539 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so windows, linux, haiku, syllable, aros?
< 1343149703 346761 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory
< 1343149712 913979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syllable is unix-like
< 1343149718 860740 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?
< 1343149726 839368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia thinks it is
< 1343149730 965260 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343149743 714129 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is SkyOS still available?
< 1343149883 530245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think so
< 1343149889 298257 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Visopsys?
< 1343149932 233810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1343149945 741451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very 90's
< 1343149947 912780 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okk. now istall it and aros
< 1343149954 335183 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ok
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< 1343150185 849760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory <-- did you use the config provided by that github project and the patches from it?
< 1343150188 170212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worked for me
< 1343150405 251613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I *could* host it if RLimitMEM would do what I expect it to do :(
< 1343150834 534867 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "Berlesque programmers are very rare. " typo :D?
< 1343150894 206588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343150895 773739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1343150924 808927 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP can only do something like # test := ri{^^\/1.-}{5.-}w!1.- at the moment
< 1343150959 205497 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add \ to allow it spanning over multiple lines
< 1343150986 185892 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could use a delimiter character
< 1343151005 137460 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what would be best
< 1343151050 386360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi
< 1343151117 444338 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1343151123 108524 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice
< 1343151147 467679 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, should I use ';' as a delimiter ?
< 1343151149 257508 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343151165 549951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delimiter for what?
< 1343151168 605376 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I use '\' to use multiple lines
< 1343151171 209042 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a defintion
< 1343151182 670721 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# macro := something here
< 1343151187 982699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar ; # foo2 = fooooo
< 1343151191 596002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that?
< 1343151200 700480 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, like:
< 1343151215 380443 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar
< 1343151215 653639 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bar bar
< 1343151241 920009 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a multi-line macro or whatever it should be called)
< 1343151266 432235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use indentation for that
< 1343151267 623885 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the example you gave would then be valid too
< 1343151272 972234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar
< 1343151275 728137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : still foo
< 1343151302 43787 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone had burleque that was shaped?
< 1343151319 140362 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they would need a space on the start of the line...
< 1343151322 858288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to put a space in front of each line
< 1343151335 753540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your code line starts with a space, then you just have two spaces
< 1343151346 861688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := python code
< 1343151350 409663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : if bar:
< 1343151354 436910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :  foobar
< 1343151359 162390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that.
< 1343151371 716064 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1343151402 838918 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YES
< 1343151406 380120 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1343151662 727908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ?
< 1343151665 294221 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is a single space fine, or should it be a larger amount of spaces?
< 1343151666 795560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to what
< 1343151693 695098 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16 < Vorpal>  Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory <-- did you use the config provided by that github project and the patches from it?
< 1343151699 952946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I assume you adjusted the sysroot path in make menuconfig for it?
< 1343151704 951849 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343151719 511947 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually with vi .config
< 1343151781 134270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, there were some other differences due to newer version
< 1343151789 830910 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like?
< 1343151795 884272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon /opt/android-ndk-standalone/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/sysroot/usr/include $ find . -iname 'telnet.h'
< 1343151796 35673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :./arpa/telnet.h
< 1343151811 636225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, LSOF had to be enabled, since it is new in last busybox version
< 1343151817 74002 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343152018 989128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it refuses to get past the third symbol on the boot-up screen
< 1343152034 296798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, qemu?
< 1343152059 551479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't understand what you mean by that
< 1343152138 651419 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343152140 545404 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: note: 'SDL_GetKeyState' is defined in DSO /lib64/libSDL-1.2.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line
< 1343152141 813263 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, fancy.
< 1343152141 964636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm up to 2008
< 1343152180 724042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube is breaking for me today. Randomly jumping back to the start of the video or sometimes just stopping playing
< 1343152201 105650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, which linker is that? gnu ld or gold?
< 1343152207 468801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: darn you're fast
< 1343152210 201960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did it scan all your *.so=
< 1343152212 924874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1343152215 687259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1343152217 882051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold is a GNU ld, too.
< 1343152220 791480 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have practisew
< 1343152224 147330 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not gold.
< 1343152224 298491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-w
< 1343152226 696346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343152231 244824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, fancy still
< 1343152239 522345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should call them gnuld and gnold
< 1343152247 512367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what version and/or how?
< 1343152253 615102 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: new ld, gn old
< 1343152266 441665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2.22.0.20120323
< 1343152733 792797 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
< 1343152859 478757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: A single spaces is fine I guess.
< 1343152882 360823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link-time typechecking is what would be fancy. Does that happen yet? 
< 1343152938 553753 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As a replacement for, or in addition to, the normal kind?
< 1343153028 615138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to. The sort of thing that would catch if you have "int f(void); f();" in one translation unit (a term so old-fashioned-sounding) and "int f(int x) { return x; }" in another.
< 1343153081 483417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like something at least LLVM-style "compile to LLVM intermediate bytecode and then do whatevers at link-time" would catch.
< 1343153094 875084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm
< 1343153141 500301 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. That essentially amounts to a header file checker in practice, surely? And you usually include them in such a way that it'd get caught anyway.
< 1343153168 965906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what if you forgot to put static in front of some local functions?
< 1343153175 249493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that could happen
< 1343153221 85316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Header files, schmeader files. I just heard about some dude who just declares external functions only inside functions using them, because that's "data hiding".
< 1343153235 448393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343153236 292531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including printf.)
< 1343153267 380059 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. Where is this?
< 1343153285 744886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it was a comp.lang.c thread, I don't think I could re-find it.
< 1343153300 118216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't "just" just.
< 1343153343 328815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as everything uses the wrong data, the real data is indeed hidden
< 1343153605 379263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C let you declare external functions inside functions? istr that's a c++ feature
< 1343153631 25883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can in C too.
< 1343153753 622117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The declaration of an identifier for a function that has block scope shall have no explicit storage-class specifier other than extern.
< 1343153775 930727 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343153810 75062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1343153820 520181 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's legal C.
< 1343153869 480797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid idea anyway, local declarations of external functions just invites getting it wrong
< 1343153872 139939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343153872 503930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343153879 656842 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1343153901 719091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ais523
< 1343153926 503954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1343153952 791237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scans for invisible ais523 talk
< 1343153954 973411 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343153962 920159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Data hiding! 
< 1343153970 924485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is none
< 1343153971 124592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practically any monad or comonad can be made using Const as a base
< 1343153981 35109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy/Empty = Const ()
< 1343153988 612461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity = Cofree Proxy
< 1343153996 912383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe = Free Proxy
< 1343154024 206166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NonEmpty = Cofree Maybe
< 1343154024 485378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true, that's a REALLY GOOD use for that feature
< 1343154032 995203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] = Compose Maybe NonEmpty
< 1343154052 786440 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343154057 476411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, this isn't true at all
< 1343154064 848177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of the abstract ones can
< 1343154083 809051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make anything with an (->) in it.
< 1343154087 988882 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you allow (->).
< 1343154090 7317 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1343154092 789439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343154108 789378 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a lot less awesome a revelation then I first entailed
< 1343154137 106755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either is the tagged union of Const and Identity?
< 1343155325 928194 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1343155330 244134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \  \ options: \   -l, --list             list valid datasets \   -d, --debug            debugging output \   -N, --dont-normalize   don't normalize frequencies when combining \                          multiple Markov models; this has the effect \                          of making larger datasets more influential \   -o, --target-offset    change the target length
< 1343155334 40525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1343155337 717520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1343155341 840117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-1M 50
< 1343155346 754095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :toox sanami tible austol dun unier ellit shutzotheich herian eling impumo bungazy veneffer fida eccart buonapolyzan baadenking pell corcen cord resposed oratine kunk more chaggr
< 1343155407 131023 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanami
< 1343155411 457909 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems more japanese
< 1343155423 872679 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaggr, check + swagger
< 1343155425 112133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“shutzotheich” doesn't strike me as very English either.
< 1343155439 184830 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :short for "check your swagger", said to someone when they are super uncool but acting like they are not
< 1343155457 676279 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Austol is clearly some medication
< 1343155468 97154 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brand name for buonapolyzan
< 1343155479 931819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Yo dawg, chaggr!” “Me chaggr? You chaggr, you just said 'Yo dawg'!”
< 1343155508 612620 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's "chagger"
< 1343155513 591415 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaggr is a site for posting people who need to chagger
< 1343155530 284841 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chagger.com is free; the opportunity is open
< 1343155544 332956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en-gb
< 1343155547 585855 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: en-gb
< 1343155548 885754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343155571 749076 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en-gb 20
< 1343155575 435512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: en-gb
< 1343155579 435488 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1343155583 344659 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1343155586 349693 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb
< 1343155591 653081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coonting
< 1343155598 183041 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot.
< 1343155601 101540 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coonting
< 1343155608 812945 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : toox sanami tible austol dun unier ellit shutzotheich herian eling impumo bungazy veneffer fida eccart buonapolyzan baadenking pell corcen cord resposed oratine kunk more chaggr
< 1343155617 848599 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, kunk is clearly some sort of bodily fluid
< 1343155618 662958 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 10
< 1343155623 282788 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :resposed is... almost a word
< 1343155623 914082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :arry abylosson tear hamma sae haul vening riggle fam fren
< 1343155635 326077 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rest + repose
< 1343155644 847335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono
< 1343155648 87152 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like disposed
< 1343155656 331190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oratine is clearly oral sex involving ovaltine
< 1343155664 212627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what "more" could be
< 1343155694 622320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o tempora o mores
< 1343155701 912465 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-99.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343155705 358415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343155707 111487 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343155708 166875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tear is an actual word.
< 1343155720 43178 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny
< 1343155723 182281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such an abylosson
< 1343155724 455927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever HackEgo's words is supposed to do o_O
< 1343155734 263517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 1
< 1343155739 629493 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :inde
< 1343155741 600075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 3
< 1343155743 776198 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 50
< 1343155746 481880 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interpret
< 1343155747 24955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vassani nojalollakunne ostamistänsä kahlavisikilot maksitovaamupaljaa automaitsevimpana tutteluaakkoamaalta ahneellaistumies leveämpisi hautovilla haustannelastammenensä aforimittava muottaviini munkeroiksesi toilleen tautteellistan humiin koettamani alailevissan mutojärkemilta valleen noustasi rastuvinämme auttaan syventuvampuilta
< 1343155747 258214 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :osta ofu drough
< 1343155757 18381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 3
< 1343155761 914494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tierungsrationszys schafte ooooo
< 1343155766 157170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1343155770 535895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo!
< 1343155774 903909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1343155779 625814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :händehn besitz cadichenhügerennahmenti dischemigungsorganie dart goeterialennenbild romethornehmentaltenringe hedrige suizialerbonde humen
< 1343155782 874685 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the funniest thing `words has ever produced
< 1343155785 594930 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1343155799 720156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :besitz und dart are real words.
< 1343155817 255198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1343155819 364210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english 50
< 1343155821 913436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :beform cblichsgewaffi haftend ingebirgenen kinerungso arrictheil phle osenentcrationenzwängi konzeugführ wirdinatur
< 1343155822 114227 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english
< 1343155822 427341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besitz is obviously equivalent to the english 'besits'
< 1343155822 945981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suizialerbonde is clearly on hard times
< 1343155834 965413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haftend is also a real word :)
< 1343155837 15238 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english-1M 50
< 1343155839 826107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english-1m
< 1343155843 354736 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you're meant to interpret the other ones
< 1343155844 780065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 1M mean?
< 1343155847 317786 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier in an agglutinative language)
< 1343155849 549564 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one million
< 1343155849 997054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see.
< 1343155855 663409 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1343155861 267262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pollum akhald quotehgion cov sce virger umth zozing veracored fecreying fielle depper origg weymoy farge aflat hem olar wrhydroo couperup tak exta amen flementa mythm
< 1343155872 564992 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pollum
< 1343155873 218142 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mythm
< 1343155880 349762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depper sounds like destroying stuff.
< 1343155885 30836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schni schna cblichsgewaffi
< 1343155892 574570 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 50
< 1343155896 514619 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frikkvene ene rehorka gring piadentning tekirkne betakettets gruppene aborgesengen hjemmige veser ulykkelbevis bolitidelret solvestudenesoppesighet kretøyelstyr kjøttemperar teatets blyvendedunde lørdende kontria omskegaens krisligstfrier påstethets rådetssitusganiske skattlede
< 1343155912 111090 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tolke
< 1343155915 238557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --french 10
< 1343155920 919377 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :comprem tolorré rétre plarimasthugl ocumulai mera sexuale rémono eds kils
< 1343155922 630485 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me.
< 1343155929 225991 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :French? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me.
< 1343155930 60031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexuale!
< 1343155940 732576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I'm not convinced by "plarimasthugl"
< 1343155964 660214 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was that from
< 1343155966 58752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Norwegian? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me. <-- nah, looks fine to me
< 1343155971 199616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some silly bits though
< 1343155976 337712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --latin
< 1343155976 489194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, French
< 1343155979 989552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: latin
< 1343155982 582452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343156005 937993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "gruppene" is clearly nonsense
< 1343156024 739782 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1343156028 43122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about "rådetssitusganiske"?
< 1343156029 957948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsershi vervan nide free begli cort esfilk pectonlyfr bon nontile ago obsecum fcendo achener reggia fosteclick off panum line johnsgrui couve abdue cocke refen patzeroidate
< 1343156037 950840 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Vive le plarimasthugl! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1343156059 104886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perfectly normal bureaucratic term
< 1343156063 441015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's subsershi
< 1343156066 845544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, meaning?
< 1343156089 301595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gently idling in this channel, and suddenly the topic gets changed to "Vive le plarimasthugl!".
< 1343156107 710790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes and?
< 1343156115 464893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the special mushroom that town councils consume while in situ.
< 1343156119 626252 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plarimasthugl?
< 1343156121 448345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh okay
< 1343156130 896820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, read the 30 last lines or so
< 1343156151 755103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plarimasthugl just crashed the Java mental stack I was juggling with.
< 1343156155 458585 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343156175 734467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, how did you notice this if you were idling?
< 1343156176 220372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily isn't very good with french, you see
< 1343156211 316989 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the small-scale components of sershi.
< 1343156221 388122 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: multiple channels open, and  against my better judgment I checked this one.
< 1343156233 595411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :p
< 1343156248 16350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use judgment in this channel, it can cause brain damage
< 1343156252 655294 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago obsecum fcendo (latin)
< 1343156280 303532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quidquid latine obsecum sit, altum fcenditur
< 1343156317 354559 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1343156330 401282 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: refreshDungeonCell
< 1343156344 382822 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: plotCharWithColor
< 1343156372 955010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a dirty dungeon cell is just trouble
< 1343156421 158010 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check whether full screen "ticks" are done anywhere; plotCharWithColor might be bad for animation. Look into what termcast and so on do.
< 1343156452 264005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plotCharcoalBlack
< 1343156566 512498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, could you add a lot of dye to the charcoal
< 1343156570 442923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wasn't black any more
< 1343156638 990197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but how would you ignite it when it's full of dye
< 1343156657 311198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, inflammable dye obviously
< 1343156697 299180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be some sort of a dynamic dungeon, if it needs refreshing.
< 1343157047 719909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1343157463 914838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343157528 527566 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: displayLevel
< 1343157544 654485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: displayLoops, waitForAcknowledgement (research)
< 1343157593 67892 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also figure out wtf plotCharToBuffer is
< 1343157596 630448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you can somehow get internet on Famicom?
< 1343157622 556186 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note: commitDraws(), plotChar()
< 1343157624 519153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be difficult.
< 1343157714 408442 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :further notes: figure out whether platform/platformdependent.c is per-platform or not, if not look into plotChar()
< 1343157927 523685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why are you using irc as a source navigation history?
< 1343157954 28091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to remember another workspace number and nobody is saying anything interesting
< 1343159149 106336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I heard something about a modem.
< 1343159215 796177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45 < monochrom> and yes I hate basic and c use "=" for assignment. x=x+1, therefore 0=1?
< 1343159229 768692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody feel the need for creating a language where assignment is ==?
< 1343159238 108647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x==x+1
< 1343159280 568754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, syntax is boring.
< 1343159286 419779 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence x is infinity?
< 1343159325 652907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where assignment is done using the roots of equations?
< 1343159469 970537 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343159509 144397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where every program IS an equation.
< 1343159530 578248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y==5 asigns 5-y to x, and 5-x to y
< 1343159568 362079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :print x==5 prints iff if it prints 5
< 1343159574 159483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-if
< 1343159667 669446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hence x is infinity? <-- or -inf?
< 1343159672 179960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work too
< 1343159677 265428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infinite either way
< 1343159682 419067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343159722 969547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway pascal uses := for assignment, I don't remember what it uses for equals
< 1343159727 171695 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Enjoying a C,Haskell bashing in #haskell
< 1343159728 770696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain =, IIRC.
< 1343159734 908534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343159791 826889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no englisch word for unterjubeln o_O
< 1343159801 383943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean?
< 1343159813 845543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Scheme = is of course equality too.
< 1343159817 662012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a realistic post-nuclear war game. Not like fallout with it's mutants. But what it would actually be like
< 1343159835 451245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, like that Raymond Briggs "comic"?
< 1343159843 306476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't know, what is that?
< 1343159849 553362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the wind blows
< 1343159853 410502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that
< 1343159862 213444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about an elderly couple in a nuclear war
< 1343159862 437945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means to slip somebody something
< 1343159866 594782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that.
< 1343159869 303292 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They die of radiation poisoning
< 1343159899 317480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm, well I was thinking set maybe 200 years after a nuclear war, people coming out of bunkers and so on.
< 1343159904 495428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't do something
< 1343159912 124095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you convince other that I did
< 1343159921 143546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're unterjubeln me something
< 1343159922 211030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they do come out of bunkers, just after a weekend
< 1343159930 236943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that sounds like too early
< 1343159937 441710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, hence why they die
< 1343159940 475735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to palm sth. off on sb. [coll.] [to dispose of sth.]    
< 1343159940 627157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pin sth. on sb. [coll.] [to lay the blame]
< 1343159940 627337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to plant sth. on sb. [coll.] 
< 1343159940 627450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to slip sb. sth. [coll.] [secretively administer]
< 1343159940 627560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to plant sth. on sb.
< 1343159944 501449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask one dictionary.
< 1343159946 744171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raymond Briggs is not a happy man
< 1343159946 973741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, right, so not very interesting
< 1343159956 111339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, would plants have reclaimed the affected areas after a couple of hundred years? Or would it all be dead dead dead?
< 1343159962 155856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also wrote the Snowman
< 1343159963 243840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if I go to the market and the clerk charges me a tomato which I didn't buy
< 1343159973 75297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no clue what that work of fiction is either
< 1343159978 844127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leo.org didn't have a translation.
< 1343159985 278621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Phantom_Hoover
< 1343159993 984871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually seen or read it
< 1343159998 233081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1343160035 249683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never read the Snowman nor do I know anything of Briggs beyond the name.
< 1343160043 468795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343160068 61734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the point remains, what would actually have happened in a situation like that of Fallout. You wouldn't have mutant two-headed cows for sure...
< 1343160088 620443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as realistic postnuclear stuff goes, there's always Threads if you're sure you have no suicidal tendencies.
< 1343160122 201582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I would like a video game made about a realistic postnuclear setting.
< 1343160123 692290 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the unrealistic nature of Fallout comes straight from the retrofuturistic 50s style.
< 1343160131 819715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I'm quite happy to be alive
< 1343160136 454469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed it does
< 1343160162 316314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is Threads a book or something found online or what?
< 1343160162 475014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although FWIW most of the mutants you see are actually the result of genetic engineering.
< 1343160171 175716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :British film from the 80s.
< 1343160173 186154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343160177 261962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on Google videos, I think.
< 1343160191 3626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google videos? Is that still around? You mean youtube right?
< 1343160196 599014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1343160197 767349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean their video store?
< 1343160204 614744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no, I mean Google videos.
< 1343160204 766041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is available in Sweden
< 1343160213 149320 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird artefact, yes.
< 1343160247 846327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google videos seems to be a video search engine nowdays...?
< 1343160322 130643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is in the process of being shutdown, and Threads seems to be on youtube
< 1343160491 798939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube, being a service which has a monopoly, capitalizes on it's monopoly by asking for mobile phone numbers during signups
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< 1343160535 283650 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it doesn't quite have a monopoly, other hosts are used at times.
< 1343160536 587536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that you can sometimes sign up without phone
< 1343160545 598522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay I read the plot summary on Wikipedia, ouch
< 1343160555 190985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I see what you mean about suicidal tendencies
< 1343160566 946611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just not as often used, largely because YouTube has a better service.
< 1343160568 252433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway what I'm more interested in is the more long term effects
< 1343160580 878791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roger
< 1343160581 759983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is vimeo iirc
< 1343160584 635339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other one
< 1343160585 897175 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... you mean Fallout, but realistic.
< 1343160590 353538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes
< 1343160591 540158 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343160596 952665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the Snowman is where "I'm walking through the air" comes from, iirc
< 1343160613 659601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah Vimeo seems to attract artsy people a lot for some reason.
< 1343160626 454395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ohhh, I thought you were talking about some post-apocalyptic thing.
< 1343160660 356142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, again, nothing I know of for games; A Canticle for Leibowitz is a book that fits that description.
< 1343160662 705541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh and blip.tv?
< 1343160718 608723 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what its niche is.
< 1343160738 751463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viddler's used a lot for Let's Plays, possibly because it allows longer videos so you don't have to segment as aggressively.
< 1343160751 868460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's When The Wind Blows
< 1343160771 294610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, My impression is that people who do movie reviews on youtube but get screwed over by copyright infringement due to showing a 10 second clip move it to blip.tv
< 1343160782 678730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sample size is rather small for that impression though
< 1343160807 564768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and youtube allows multi-hour videos since a year or two
< 1343160850 251968 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not to default accounts.
< 1343160859 133979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I thought it did that nowdays?
< 1343160864 246450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of account then?
< 1343160887 183322 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I dunno, but I've heard repeated references to people wanting to get some kind of upgrade to upload longer videos.
< 1343160900 767611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343160927 936263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=71673
< 1343160936 89849 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BtW which Fallout games have you played?
< 1343161173 190014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's plays are pretty cool
< 1343161208 610399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more entertaining than the 8bit game generation itself was
< 1343161274 575271 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're very, very subject to Sturgeon's Law though.
< 1343161323 645077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good ones, where the game is accompanied by insightful commentaries are fun; the ones that consist of someone playing through and waffling are not.
< 1343161337 599021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: youtube is far from a monopoly
< 1343161343 224938 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again you have no idea what you're talking about
< 1343161364 171216 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1343161366 77760 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I can see why you might call it a monopoly.
< 1343161380 937286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1343161385 768948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : BtW which Fallout games have you played? <-- 3 and new vegas, haven't finished either, NV was better than 3 by far. Should get around to play some of the original ones
< 1343161388 625521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has a majority market share, but far from 100%
< 1343161392 563523 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well YouTube is probably not a monopoly in the direct sense
< 1343161393 641513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my good deed for the day
< 1343161402 89607 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Microsoft didn't have 100% either and they were/(are?) considered a monopoly
< 1343161410 747029 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% is basically never going to happen
< 1343161413 266692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistancy in my faults
< 1343161414 461227 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything, I suspect
< 1343161423 31571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, it can in some situations.
< 1343161433 533956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC had a monopoly on broadcasting in the UK, for instance.
< 1343161462 876265 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are any number of other infrastructural monopolies where the cost of setting up make competition very thin on the ground.
< 1343161470 986352 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The BBC had a monopoly on broadcasting in the UK, for instance.
< 1343161478 121918 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK but government-sanctioned monopolies don't really count :P
< 1343161479 490245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Systembolaget has a monopoly for selling alcoholic drinks in Sweden (for drinks above a certain strength that is)
< 1343161484 225798 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infrastructure is a fair point, though.
< 1343161672 937292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is having a monopoly? BBC/something else?
< 1343161675 124901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% market share just depends on how you define the market!
< 1343161680 619796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like surjective functions.
< 1343161683 987977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343161696 8085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/368
< 1343161697 71471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uaaah
< 1343161699 127853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not.
< 1343161763 93404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's kvm?
< 1343161797 312027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, the thing that allows qemu to use hardware virtualisation is called kvm, might be a different kvm though
< 1343161800 750969 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with a Java backend.
< 1343161808 919255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point of course was that for the tags  x  that was the only comment i had
< 1343161815 162438 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a patch to very-old-GHC that adds one.
< 1343161870 462060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a haskell-98 backend, so you could compile your code using lots of GHC extensions into pure haskell-98 code
< 1343161890 395814 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would require major whole-program transformations and so on.
< 1343161911 834884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed
< 1343161918 333585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, or stupid output
< 1343161920 908169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work too
< 1343161930 928988 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1343161951 958277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, like compiling it into a state machine describing the program
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< 1343161962 429340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. e. nothing even similar to the original program
< 1343161975 961049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm saying it would require.
< 1343161979 755878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1343161980 985074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343161996 234458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1343162251 946028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343162341 620281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1343162556 497759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the next Muse album sounds really OTT
< 1343162590 100677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more than "Come on and swear it's something biblical" or "It's time the fat cats had a heart attack"
< 1343162618 617044 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTT?
< 1343162624 451273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the top
< 1343162634 98869 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343162645 963904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard Survival?
< 1343162651 595476 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343162685 281137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYMMnHW85mc
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< 1343163781 224799 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343163901 181414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight
< 1343163908 582912 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1343164086 475357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they make a patch to compile Haskell codes to: MMIX, Z-machine, Glulx, Java, Z80, Famicom, brainfuck, CLC-INTERCAL, Csound, and hardware.
< 1343164495 327646 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware?
< 1343164515 303154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to build an electronic circuit
< 1343164523 745471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can
< 1343164541 493499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have very peculiar priorities
< 1343164672 239981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What priority?
< 1343164684 619264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like collecting cars built by bugatti(spelling probly wrong), ferrari, and mclaren, and buying art at auction
< 1343164701 594249 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343164711 368502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they could make a patch but they don't
< 1343164773 204599 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343164800 640814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think is best way in Haskell for representing compiling programs which are not Haskell programs but which can be constructed and manipulated using Haskell codes?
< 1343164817 186965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like, "what? put funds into the very same industry that made me rich? absurd! it defies the very rules of business"
< 1343164913 483378 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343164915 514840 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have an extremely simplistic view of hacking and viruses. A clever programmer can write a virus that will hop to just about any device you plug into an infected computer. So what happens is something connected to the internet gets infected. A physical device is then connected to the infected computer, becomes infected, is later removed and interfaced with a non-infected computer that isn't connected to the internet. Flash drive, hard drive, ipod
< 1343164915 665907 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, whatever."
< 1343164919 869018 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mac OSX and Linux don't automatically run scripts when you plug in a thumb drive. Only Windows does that."
< 1343164923 78909 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That functionality is not even remotely required for a virus to work as I described."
< 1343164925 938733 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How is a virus executed from a thumbdrive without use of something like autorun? If functionality such as autorun is not required how is this done?"
< 1343164929 785256 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because all the files on the drive are already infected by the computer they came from. If you transfer any to the computer then the virus is on the computer."
< 1343164937 677134 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this moron is highly upvoted btw
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< 1343164946 703968 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which moron
< 1343164950 978677 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see two
< 1343164958 459593 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they all the same person
< 1343164961 717109 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it alternates
< 1343164970 803136 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is the moron; the other ones are actually separate people each time but that's irrelevant
< 1343164990 214475 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one(s) is (are) not dumb enough to call a moron
< 1343165003 419170 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather not sure enough of themselves
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< 1343165171 473662 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I suppose hypothetically a sufficiently clever hacker could know of a buffer overflow in the kernel's filesystem code. ... But this moron didn't say anything of the sort.
< 1343165304 609662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virus could also be made from the hardware instead of software, if a USB memory is designed to corrupt files automatically or other things can also be done like that
< 1343165485 121509 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1343165489 860362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said goodnight ages ago
< 1343165490 873457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343165564 723198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could even send keyboard/mouse commands
< 1343165648 843519 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343165658 502234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my os can be booted as a multiboot image using qemu -kernel now
< 1343165971 151019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even do this: They make a USB computer keyboard that records everything typed in its internal memory. It has a three year warranty. However, it is designed to break in two years. When the customer returns it under warranty, they can spy on everything the user typed.
< 1343165993 108333 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: isvyour os available anywhere?
< 1343166057 481186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: probably, but it's hardly useful for anything :)
< 1343166065 278594 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343166066 934112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would help more if there was a law that they had to upgrade their old keyboards
< 1343166112 896750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know countermeasures against many of these things. To prevent a USB memory from sending keyboard/mouse command without your permission, you can fix the kernel to not accept a USB keyboard/mouse if there already is one connected.
< 1343166126 390518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that includes PS/2 keyboard/mouse too)
< 1343166184 228935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some level your data isn't the most private thing, but rather, the identity of the user of the data
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< 1343166189 626030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the keyboard break under warranty, well, if you suspect that then open it to fix it by yourself, or break it into too many pieces, or something
< 1343166288 315900 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343166355 474319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i must assume that my biometric data gets collected whenever i sign a form using a stylus
< 1343166379 515078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is such a law you have to upgrade, then destroy your old one and build a new one yourself
< 1343166399 208236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, it is possible, but it may or may not be true. Or maybe true in some cases only.
< 1343166437 659004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could make signatures more reliable anyway
< 1343166549 453605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case its more and more common to sign via stylus
< 1343166574 621066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could make it more reliable.
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< 1343166649 436082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343166705 728025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my signature tends to be just a scribble.. lacking real consistency..
< 1343166713 650158 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that argument seems somehow unconvincing
< 1343166721 735914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i depend on the biometrics for it to have any meaning at all
< 1343166773 380130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343166780 271334 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the only way that would remotely have a chance of working is if it differs significantly from your normal signature.
< 1343166800 227199 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343166808 402782 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if you always do that, it means it will look the same as all the other signatures
< 1343166809 947736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this always happens when zzo38 and itidus21 chat :P
< 1343166811 521557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sign things in Japanese usually
< 1343166843 437993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1343166981 198670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both English and Japanese often
< 1343166992 467647 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesod is very overbearing.
< 1343167003 833515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am under threat I will omit the Japanese
< 1343167006 518892 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to do something differently from the default? GOOD LUCK.
< 1343167191 114663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says you didn't just omit the Japanese to sneak your way out?
< 1343167244 139987 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8
< 1343167252 528321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is to have a specific signature for every contract.
< 1343167264 120365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also prevents somebody from faking your signature
< 1343167273 57793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he doesn't know what your next signature looks like
< 1343167287 27190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I put the dots I explained for
< 1343167296 18834 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343167299 61155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :853)  But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343167304 888717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, that probably doesn't hold in court :D
< 1343167346 508825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, but it is worth a try if there is some kind of threat
< 1343167376 384089 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how often are you threatened to sign things
< 1343167379 449127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best part is
< 1343167383 300968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely
< 1343167386 292755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to fullfil the contract.
< 1343167393 568966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1343167399 381736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't prove that it is your signature if they have nothing to compare it.
< 1343167437 216121 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: has it ever happened :P
< 1343167446 581650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just once
< 1343167465 338255 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than I have
< 1343167474 864586 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did google groups remove the old interface
< 1343167476 66613 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's annoying
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< 1343167543 638678 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the new one doesn't work with links
< 1343167544 672866 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343167545 35685 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Changing host
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< 1343167551 715319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1343167680 531038 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti i like how your hostname gets worse when you identify
< 1343167680 917321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343167793 594966 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343167794 188062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343167817 672568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how his connection is oscillating.
< 1343167858 494781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so spirity is kallisti?
< 1343167877 52497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest Do you have the source of HELP online available somewhere?
< 1343167877 502090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343167888 575562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes
< 1343167889 61392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343167927 300745 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity is a better nick than kallisti btw
< 1343167935 832099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agre
< 1343167984 384340 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you using kallisti
< 1343167992 185643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1343167998 283291 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards compatability
< 1343168003 450629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with existing people
< 1343168010 554015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll probably change it soon
< 1343168063 979845 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: btw is there anything new at spirity.org?
< 1343168068 206642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, plarimasthugl
< 1343168097 445941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I have a completely empty gitweb page for privately hosted git repos.
< 1343168106 348855 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343168139 6093 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gitweb sucks btw
< 1343168143 531219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually there will be a  tabletop game frontend for IRC-based tabletop gaming.
< 1343168147 829367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: it's... functional
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< 1343168243 256136 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably just pay for a private github account if i wanted private repos
< 1343168292 718244 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343168298 424056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: that's what I was doing.
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< 1343168313 908061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a dedicated server allows me to do other things. might as well save so money by hosting my own.
< 1343168333 454554 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take that perspective: have fun configuring qmail/postfix/...
< 1343168352 772351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got postfix set up
< 1343168367 230655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it.... forwards specific addresses to gmail.
< 1343168368 820701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1343168393 147246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes postfix is weird to configure.
< 1343168396 904378 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use google apps
< 1343168413 917625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that also cost money?
< 1343168431 222356 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343168432 815736 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html
< 1343168458 153611 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some annoying issues with google apps accounts sometimes getting older version of google products or not being able to use google+ and stuff i think though, so you'll want to keep a gmail account lying around
< 1343168471 248084 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that stuff got fixed though
< 1343168471 636151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2
< 1343168485 38600 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION currently has something like 6 email addresses, for absolutely no good reason.
< 1343168492 276556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use G+ nowadays, but i don’t think you can use Youtube yet.
< 1343168506 507439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I wouldn't use gmail at all
< 1343168525 300328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of my "prepare for incoming google takeover of the world" plan.
< 1343168547 532616 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. what?
< 1343168549 58248 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if free google apps gives you less space than gmail
< 1343168554 820244 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is marketed as 10 gigs
< 1343168563 379533 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gmail is 10271.676317 gigs-and-counting-at-a-stupidly-slow-rate-by-now
< 1343168583 327621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I don't like the stance Google has taken since their privacy policy change.
< 1343168615 481514 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 gigs? Wasn't it 5 gigs just recently
< 1343168623 721167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partially why I stopped using chrome in favor of firefox.
< 1343168639 562604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still have a google account fo gmail and youtube..
< 1343168646 292181 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what other email addresses you have?
< 1343168677 501086 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it is a bit pointless to take a stand on chrome since all its options to talk to google are disableable
< 1343168692 498676 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is also open source (well, chromium, but same thing)
< 1343168693 442492 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since firefox is awful
< 1343168702 522741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: that's probably true, but then I started liking firefox so it worked out regardless.
< 1343168716 857285 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, does that include disabling autoupdates?
< 1343168732 493206 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: how is firefox awful? well XUL but what else?
< 1343168748 738743 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: chromium doesn't autoupdate
< 1343168753 153176 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: everything
< 1343168754 240229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't attempt to argue that firefox is /better/ at /everything/, but it has some things going for it. chrome has some things going for it as well (particularly it's a bit faster with V8 and all)
< 1343168821 633683 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stay at my far away corner with links2, netsurf and hv3
< 1343168844 982187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, firefox has privacy extensions that aren't offered on google yet.
< 1343168875 513099 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343168877 481695 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plugin achitecture was better on ff last tine I checked
< 1343168889 552509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has 3 different extensions for blocking advertising agency trackers.
< 1343168924 389709 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also firefox was in version 11 last time I checked
< 1343168932 674916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to see how many marketing agencies are attempting to monitor your internet usage.
< 1343168942 484335 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version is it on now by the way?
< 1343168955 796006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest stable release is 14
< 1343168978 197272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version number is completely arbitrary. as of late they've started increment the major version almost every month.
< 1343168981 430234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incrementing
< 1343168993 38790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's once every six weeks.
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< 1343168997 281780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1343168999 668791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a policy about it.
< 1343169051 342774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's some kind of a rolling scheme thing with the n+1, n+2 and maybe even n+3 (where n is current stable) having different terms for them, though I've forgotten about that. So they probably have a Firefox 17 build already existing.
< 1343169056 183614 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so ESR is 10, right
< 1343169277 677284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar has a calendar, and it indeed was so that Firefox 17 is "central" now (while 16 is "aurora" and 15 is "beta"). They'll hit stable 18 (and "central" 21) at around the year's end.
< 1343169330 45661 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343169371 101087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And three digits in less than a decade.)
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< 1343169413 369969 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be getting back to using tenfourfox in few weeks. their stable is firefox ESR and their unstable is firefox stable
< 1343169515 490519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every seventh Firefox (so 17, 24, ...) is an ESR release, apparently.
< 1343169605 871052 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6->10->17->24->31
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