00:00:17 it does 00:00:26 but eventually the variable runs out of space 00:00:56 wot 00:01:11 and i programmed it in a high level automation language, so I can't change anything like variable size. 00:01:21 oh 00:01:23 okay. 00:01:37 but i could have it just trim the string 00:02:44 so you wrote your IRC client? 00:02:48 in some weird language 00:06:10 ooh, awesome whatever-the-speech-version-of-a-typo-is on the news: "micro-social blogging site Twitter" 00:06:39 a speako? 00:06:44 ais523: "slip of the tongue"? 00:06:51 (aka "lapsus lingui") 00:06:56 a something-o 00:07:26 * soundnfury is much more sensible than Von. 00:07:30 * soundnfury wrote /his/ client in C 00:07:50 I am the sensibilest of all 00:07:52 I just use irssi 00:07:56 pfft 00:08:05 like a normal computer geek. 00:08:24 I suppose next you'll be saying you didn't write your own HTTP server either! 00:08:41 nope. I use nginx. which wasn't even intended to be an HTTP server originally 00:11:16 also my ISP is horse shit 00:11:22 anytime there;s a thunderstorm I lose my connection. 00:11:33 IP over horse shit? that one's new I think 00:13:10 we went to a bar which has beer taps at each table 00:13:16 and each tap has a meter, to bill you 00:13:16 -!- david_werecat has joined. 00:13:23 but they also report quantity to TVs around the bar, so you can see who drank the most beer 00:13:33 and on wednesdays you get 20% off if you drink the most beer in the bar 00:13:34 sounds like fun! 00:13:40 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:13:41 yes and it DOESN'T WORK AT ALL OH GOD. 00:13:41 soem academic toy thing. 00:13:41 also if I respond to something like several minutes after it was said it's because I lost my connection. 00:14:19 -!- VonSmashington has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:17:29 I think the quality of my code from this point on is going to regrade severely. 00:18:05 due to inevitably encroaching alchoholism. 00:18:29 s/r(\w+)/d\1/ 00:20:54 regrading goes both ways 00:22:08 well I think right now I'm somewhere near the Ballmer Peak. 00:22:34 teetering on the brink of total failure then? 00:22:40 yep 00:22:57 just jump right in! :> 00:22:59 I suppose I should strike you for that but it's not forced, soundnfury take note. 00:23:25 what is this #esoteric baseball system 00:23:27 the Phantom_Striker strikes again! 00:23:28 I'm unfamiliar with it. 00:23:38 I have to deal with baseball-inspired legal systems in real life. 00:23:42 I'd rather not deal with them in IRC too. 00:23:58 I think if you get a ball thrown near but not at you, you strike if you fail to strike it 00:24:09 there's a box 00:24:15 basically around your upper body. 00:24:24 that counts as the strike zone. 00:24:26 Also if it starts raining you need a team of statisticians pronto. 00:24:59 * kallisti is American therefore expert baseball expert. 00:25:31 elliott is English, he must know how england baseball works 00:25:49 england baseball? england only does tea and bad plumbing 00:25:52 I didn't even know that was a thing. 00:26:27 I bet they suck at baseball. 00:26:45 The funny part is that they totally do suck at cricket. 00:26:58 do they throw baseballs at speeds that could potentially kill small children and animals? 00:27:00 And everything else, although they suck less at football than Scotland AFAIK. 00:27:25 kallisti, faster, I believe. 00:27:48 And they use harder balls. 00:28:02 I think they just roll the balls on the ground (and they even call it bowling) 00:28:06 nonsense. 00:28:11 No, that's Scotland bowling. 00:28:16 It's entirely different. 00:28:24 I refuse to believe that another country has a superior baseball league. 00:28:39 * kallisti nationalism. 00:28:57 Hey now, Japan gives a shit about baseball too. 00:29:01 yes I know 00:29:05 but their league is not as good. 00:29:12 You might have some serious international sporting competition one of these days. 00:29:29 I only know these things because some of my friends are baseball fans. 00:29:33 but otherwise I don't give a shit. 00:29:38 Suuuure. 00:30:00 ... says the most expert baseball expert in the channel 00:30:20 yep. that's still true. 00:30:28 you'll just have to deal with it. 00:31:27 this interpreter for dogless is incredibly simple. 00:31:34 but I don't know if I want to keep that name. 00:32:01 what's a good name for a language that's based very roughly off of dupdog but kind of more like /// 00:32:40 dogslash 00:32:51 nah. 00:32:53 dup///dog 00:33:05 the original name was "godless" 00:33:15 I don't know why. 00:33:34 updog, to reference channel history. 00:33:54 I'm unaware of the reference. 00:33:59 me too 00:34:41 I dunno if you remember when elliott made that bot to tell Sgeo_ to shut up about things like ActiveWorlds, Scala and sex? 00:34:49 oh, yes. 00:34:50 And then oerjan banned it for being totally not cool man. 00:35:03 but I don't remember anything named updog. 00:35:10 because memory. 00:35:13 :_( 00:35:33 And then elliott brought in another totally unrelated bot named updog which did nothing but say "what's updog" whenever its name was mentioned. 00:35:42 ..oh. 00:35:46 yeah I don't remember that. 00:35:48 what's updog 00:36:04 ... and that bot became shachaf 00:36:21 what's shachaf 00:36:44 it's a bot 00:37:17 what's bot 00:39:55 shachaf, does bot have soul? 00:40:15 what's owl 00:40:48 owl is bird 00:41:25 owl is fowl 00:41:45 owl is dowel 00:43:27 vowel 00:43:28 growl 00:43:29 cowl 00:43:31 foul 00:43:34 bowel 00:43:42 towel 00:43:54 (kallisti is a bot that rhymes.) 00:43:59 kall me isti 00:44:08 (Phantom_Hoover is a bot which describes other bots.) 00:44:24 we are all bots on inside. :_( 00:44:34 also sometimes the outside 00:44:53 yowel? 00:44:56 pretty sure that's a word 00:44:59 maybe yowl 00:45:58 I like how perl doesn't have a "print to stdout with newline" operator until version 5.10. 00:46:24 and you need to explicitly declare what version you're using to get it. 00:46:27 because backwards compatability. 00:49:07 so I'm pretty sure dogless is turing complete now 00:49:18 because I added some metacommands that affect the scope of the next command 01:07:54 hey Sgeo_ 01:09:33 @tell Sgeo Hey you know about Creatures right? How the hell is http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Albia#Geography_and_Travel meant to work? 01:09:33 Consider it noted. 01:24:53 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:25:18 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:39:53 perl is the weirdest thing ever. 01:40:45 its import statement is resolved at compile-time but you can use it literally anywhere. 01:42:58 in python import statements have side-effects instead 01:43:06 right. 01:43:08 import launch_missiles 01:44:01 the way it works in perl is that "use whatever LIST" is equivalent to; BEGIN {require whatever; whatever->import(LIST)} 01:44:22 BEGIN being a block that's executed before compilation of the rest of the code. 01:44:36 I think in FIFO order. I don't remember. it rarely matters. 01:45:04 oh, right, like in awk 01:45:27 Do you have any single file C program emulating 6502 CPU which is public domain? 01:45:35 no 01:47:05 olsner: the import method is then used to explicitly export things. if you make your package a subclass of Exporter then you can define how symbols are exported. 01:47:18 or you could write your own import method and do it by hand. 01:48:53 the latter case is used to make "pragma" modules. aka modules that act as compile-time pragmas similar to "use strict". 01:51:34 Phantom_Hoover, the creatures live on the edge of a disc 01:52:01 And the stuff about centrifugal force? 01:52:44 Phantom_Hoover, good question, no idea 01:53:15 Also is the edge of the world just a mind-bogglingly steep cliff? 01:53:29 s/steep/tall/, I suppose. 01:54:10 Yes, although the edges are only in the forwards/backwards direction 01:54:40 There's a reason for all of this: Gameplay occurs in a 2d world that wraps around left/right 01:55:13 In an extremely narrow strip? 01:56:52 Looking for a screenshot 01:57:44 http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Creatures-Internet-Edition_1.jpg note that this screeenshot does NOT depict Albia and this world does NOT wrap around, but gameplay in the games that show Albia is similar 01:58:21 Although that shows one cramped area of the C3 world I guess 01:58:35 How illustrative of the large-scale structure. 01:58:51 (Why didn't they put the world in the middle dammit, that makes much more sense. 01:58:55 ) 01:59:20 How do you explain that creatures don't leave the screen? 01:59:50 Actually they don't need public domain as long as it is Free software and not affecting the license of the rest of the project. 01:59:57 Imagine the world is a on the edge of a coin 02:00:26 I mean using a Halo-type arrangement. 02:00:48 Coin works I guess, it just seems not-quite-sane. 02:01:45 Not sure what a Halo-type arrangement is 02:02:09 You know the Halo series? And the Halos in them? 02:02:10 And it's more sane then hypertaco (although the universe where that's used is not entirely intended to be sane) 02:02:47 Hypertaco? 02:02:51 I found something tat might help 02:04:30 Phantom_Hoover, in Triangle and Robert 02:04:55 Phantom_Hoover, I fixed the extrernal links on that page 02:05:28 "World Shapes: Triangle and Robert's world is not a sphere, but a four-dimensional hypertaco. 02:05:29 " -- TV Tropes 02:05:49 Isn't that going to be identical to a normal sphere for those living inside it? 02:06:05 Flatlanders living on a taco would see it as a circle, after all. 02:06:08 Phantom_Hoover, no idea 02:06:27 I didn't even try to understand it, to be honest 02:08:26 * Sgeo_ bluhs at D's non-hygienic string mixins 02:24:38 Sgeo_: what does non-hygienic mean in this context 02:25:35 It means local variables used in the string mixin can get confused with names you pass into it 02:25:44 (etc) 02:25:49 What else could it mean? 02:25:58 I don't know. 02:26:41 string mixins usually don't have the property of being hygienic or not. 02:26:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:27:23 whereas a macro or a string mixin that implements variable interpolation does. 02:54:44 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:59:47 ... 02:59:48 How would you make a hygienic string mixin? 03:03:20 Madoka-Kaname, you could possibly make something that looks but isn't like a hygienic string mixin? 03:10:05 $ echo 'Hello, World!' | scripts/Dogless.pl 03:10:08 Hello, World! 03:10:10 well that was easy. 03:10:19 almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a mixin 03:10:41 the hello world program also has the nice perk of being a quine. 03:11:29 it also doubles as cat, I guess. since the only real input is the program source. 03:12:25 maybe I should add a notion of input. 03:16:30 Sgeo_: maybe I don't know what "string mixin" means in this context. 03:16:43 to me a mixin is a class that you "drop into" another class. 03:17:16 kallisti, in D, a string mixin is a function that makes a string at compiletime and then that becomes code 03:17:18 I think 03:17:23 oh 03:17:51 http://dlang.org/mixin.html 03:18:06 right 03:20:00 just never use local variables, or give them terrible names. 03:20:02 problem solved. 03:20:04 >_> 03:22:52 "Repeated imports of the same file are of no import." 03:23:34 heyo! 03:24:18 does D automatically return the last statement of a function? 03:24:29 or do you just assign to a constant char[] with the same name as the template 03:24:35 No idea 03:24:37 template GenStruct(char[] Name, char[] M1) 03:24:37 { const char[] GenStruct = "struct " ~ Name ~ "{ int " ~ M1 ~ "; }"; 03:24:38 } 03:24:54 -!- david_werecat has joined. 03:26:59 Does the documentation mention the part where std.file.read() is broken? 03:27:37 o.O? 03:36:38 shachaf, how is it broken? 03:37:50 Sgeo_: The buffering code is buggy. 03:37:55 Try reading a file from /proc/ 03:38:07 (Bigger than 4096 bytes.) 03:38:28 how do I do italics in wiki markup again 03:38:51 '''''''''''word''''''''''' 03:39:15 ah right 03:39:49 I think Walter Bright could probably make a good language but D isn't it. 03:40:12 like many improvements to the C language, it shows a lot of promise but isn't quite there.. 03:40:20 Rust is probably better than D. 03:40:34 Rust is still being changed quite a lot. 03:40:39 but what it's got so far is pretty solid. 03:44:34 What's wrong with D? 03:45:06 everything 03:45:17 it is a mess and half-broken 03:45:23 and that's just the language 03:45:29 the toolchains are ten messes unto themselves 03:50:56 why can I never remember how to do backslash escapes in regex... 03:51:14 I meanm parsing them 03:51:27 "match this, unless it's preceded by an odd number of backslashes" 03:54:07 elliott, what do you think about Dylan? 03:54:26 he's a good musician, but makes for a lousy programming language. 03:54:28 * kallisti elliott. 03:56:49 i don't like bob dylan 03:56:51 so probably i like the language more 03:56:55 i don't know all that much about it 03:56:57 it seems ok 03:57:05 it is not like anyone uses it or it is really viable in any way though 03:58:25 -!- ais523 has quit. 03:58:48 elliott, apparently it's going through a revival. At too slow a place to really count as a revival 04:00:11 -!- azaq23 has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 04:02:00 Would be nice if I could even get it working without needing to use a VM 04:08:09 -!- VorpalPhone has joined. 04:12:13 You know what we need? FreeDylan 04:15:44 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:19:15 I'm looking at 3d printing stuff for some reason, and thought of a good use: iceblocks pieces 04:19:51 ...or that's not what they're called 04:19:53 What are they called 04:20:00 Martian Chess is a whatever game 04:20:19 Icehouse, there we go 04:20:41 hi 04:22:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icehouse_pieces 04:23:40 o.O http://www.crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=PY 04:23:43 There are many possible games using these icehouse pieces 04:23:58 Including some game that uses tarot cards to make a board that the pieces are placed on 04:25:45 Some games require multicolored icehouse pieces 04:30:21 -!- VorpalPhone has quit (Quit: Bye). 04:46:17 Yes, that too 04:46:55 The game I mentioned require different color for each player, as well as all the sizes, and can be stand up or pointing to another card 05:06:22 I can sympathize with the way you felt. I'm a staunch young-earth creationist and it bothered me a bit that I might use an email client like "Evolution." So for the first two years or so that I used Linux, I used Thunderbird. Recently, I noticed that the email search is a lot faster on Evolution (I have >14,000 emails to search). So I made the switch to Evolution. 05:06:22 I do wish there was a way to name the application differently (in the title bar). But like the previous poster said, we got other things to worry about (~5 billion souls on their way to hell). 05:06:36 thanks for the positive attitude, tak 05:07:26 -!- david_werecat has joined. 05:13:48 -!- monqy has joined. 05:17:27 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Dogless 05:17:31 look at the damage I have done. 05:25:38 -!- ogrom has joined. 05:32:17 Please let me know if anything is worded confusingly 05:34:27 I think it is OK 05:42:15 I once felt uncomfortable with NetHack's #pray because I felt like it was too close to worshipping other gods. 05:42:32 .. 05:43:23 or in dogless: ..|~ 05:43:32 which will eventually converge to an infinite string of dots. 05:43:37 or... diverge? I don't even know. 05:43:46 Sgeo_: hi 05:43:57 This was when I was younger 05:44:00 And still believed in God 05:44:20 Funny, becoming an RL atheist made me more comfortable with violating atheist conduct in NetHack 05:44:20 elliott: plz berate dogless. inlude that it needlessly overcomplicates dupdogs minimal (read: stupid) design. 05:46:12 I've never had an issue making distinctions between in character and out of character. 05:46:48 I knew the distinction, it still made me uncomfortable 05:54:13 -!- asiekierka_ has joined. 05:55:46 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 05:55:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:57:54 -!- asiekierka_ has changed nick to asiekierka. 05:59:48 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: begone). 06:02:08 -!- ogrom has joined. 06:45:10 kallisti: dogless looks dumb 06:45:11 hth 06:45:54 yes 06:46:28 I'm not attempting to revolutionize computing with my esolangs, here.. 06:47:10 you asked for beration 06:47:14 yes 06:47:37 I request a strawman, now please let me defend myself against it. 06:47:42 *requested 06:48:09 NO 06:48:10 *no 06:48:10 strawmen are vicious predators after all. 06:48:12 fucking 06:48:13 caps lock 06:48:55 also I'm not entirely sure what the instruction >~ or >>~ or <~ or ><~ etc is supposed to do 06:49:08 so the semantics of that might change. 06:50:12 abc|>~def|ghi -> abc|def|~ghi 06:50:54 er 06:51:29 abc|>~def|ghi -> abc|def|ghi|def|~ghi 07:16:50 -!- asiekierka has quit (Disconnected by services). 07:17:14 -!- asiekierka_ has joined. 07:25:20 Can you play snooker? 07:27:59 Can you? 07:28:29 No 07:28:40 Is there a rule in snooker that says you must try hard to hit the ball? 07:29:01 There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win. 07:30:09 wtf kind of rule is that. 07:30:31 `addquote There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win. 07:30:42 854) There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win. 07:30:45 how is that even remotely enforceable 07:33:15 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 07:37:51 kallisti: I don't know. 07:49:34 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:50:55 -!- augur has joined. 07:53:41 -!- nooga has joined. 07:55:23 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:00:40 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:07:19 http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-randombattle45434 08:07:21 The RNG hates me. 08:07:43 This the first time I've wanted to curse the RNG algorithm outside of Nethack. 08:13:05 -!- augur has joined. 08:23:04 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:23:27 -!- augur has joined. 08:23:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:41:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 08:49:38 -!- augur has joined. 08:52:26 -!- MoALTz has joined. 08:58:23 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:10:56 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:11:18 -!- augur has joined. 09:19:56 -!- ogrom has joined. 09:27:32 -!- derdon has joined. 09:44:15 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:57:53 -!- Madoka-Kaname has left ("Hug~♪"). 10:39:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:47:51 -!- oonbotti has joined. 11:09:06 -!- oonbotti has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:13:37 -!- oonbotti has joined. 11:21:03 elliott, Phantom_Hoover monqy tswett UPDATE 11:21:54 what? 11:22:11 this does not concern you mortal 11:22:20 omg 11:22:23 sburban jungle 11:23:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: epadut). 11:24:20 nortti: Sgeo_ lets us know when monqy gets marginally less terrible 11:25:26 ok 11:26:32 ok this is definitely best entrance flash 11:31:06 * itidus21 parses everything that got posted since phantom joined 11:31:25 aha. suburban jungle. thats what i was missing 11:33:45 "Rest in Peace, Suburban Jungle - The Bad Webcomics Wiki" 11:34:10 That's not even the name 11:34:17 It's Sburban, not Suburban 11:34:22 oh... 11:34:23 -!- elliott has left ("Leaving"). 11:34:27 this explains a lot 11:36:11 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:36:11 it appears to be music 11:36:58 whoa 11:42:54 perhaps whoever made that is a macguyver of art, perhaps 11:48:22 made what 11:48:50 the intro 12:11:13 intro to what, sburb? 12:11:41 yeah 12:31:29 itidus21, just go to http://www.mspaintadventures.com and start reading 12:31:46 yeah this stuff might infact be too weird for me 12:33:34 yeah it's some crazy shit man 12:33:44 just don't do homestuckl 12:36:50 i think part of whats creepy about it is the uncanny way it's based on real life types of events 12:38:47 no need for me to expound, i'm clearly preaching to the choir 12:39:41 are 12:39:45 are you talking about homestuck 12:41:17 Maybe itidus21 is talking about the fact that meteors are a threat IRL? 12:42:10 Maybe. 12:48:19 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:48:20 Hello 12:48:41 Sgeo_, hey someone you can update! 12:49:03 Already seen it 12:49:12 okay 12:49:22 what the fuck I've just read? -> http://notch.tumblr.com/post/20056289891/start-classified-transmission 12:49:44 From the URL looks 0x10c-y 12:50:16 Yeah, that's 0x10c 12:50:58 nooga: uh oh, they say that information is secret 12:51:35 0x10c? 12:51:43 Notch's space sim thing. 12:51:44 Mojang's third or fourth game 12:51:53 (depends if you count Cobalt or not) 12:52:11 It incorporates a programmable spaceship CPU. 12:52:21 GOD this is lame! 12:52:58 but it has a good side 12:53:20 It's set in an alternate history where the space race led to cryogenics 12:53:22 nooga, I'm not well-versed in CPU architecture, is it bad? 12:53:38 And an endiness mistake led to some people being frozen for trillions of years 12:53:40 still better than x86 12:54:24 but programming spaceships in assembler is the stupidiest thing i've ever heard 12:54:46 x86 assembly is not that bad 12:54:54 especially for writing 12:54:55 nooga, it just gives you the CPU and assembler. The community's making a C compiler and other stuff 12:55:00 nooga: worked for the AGC! (I think) 12:55:14 programming spaceships in assembler is how we got to the moon 12:55:16 fyi 12:55:24 yeah 12:55:28 I'm not sure that's correct. 12:55:28 i know that 12:55:30 I guess it's further proof for the moon landing hoax 12:55:35 I thought we just hit eachother with slide rules? 12:55:52 Taneb: really? the community is already making a C compiler? 12:55:52 Assembler seems like a needless extravagance, considering the computers on Apollo 11 had like 1300 NOR gates in total. 12:56:01 nooga, have been for a few months 12:56:15 they're not done yet? how hard can it be 12:56:15 link please 12:56:18 http://dcputoolcha.in/ 12:57:18 huh 12:57:35 But will anyone port GHC? 12:58:08 I thought about a massively multiplayer online RTS 12:58:13 Not sure if there's enough ram, Phantom_Hoover 12:58:23 should be easy to port after they fix ghc to be properly cross-compilery 12:58:24 nooga, will the guns have CPUs? 12:58:27 and the main idea would be that there are no units 12:58:37 I mean, make a dcpu-targeting cross compiler 12:58:38 except for one 12:58:55 that would be programmable and multi-purpose 12:59:14 It does seem like it'll be hopelessly niche, though. 12:59:20 Sorry, mixed up RTS with FPS 12:59:22 and it's up to players to program their units to network with others 12:59:45 porting the RTS might be a different question though 12:59:49 and they could share or trade programs 12:59:55 An FPS with programmable guns would be the best thing. 12:59:56 x86 has its ugly bits but compared to the overall difficulty of programming in assembly it's not a big deal 13:00:03 other architectures have quirks 13:00:14 it's just a dumb hipster thing to talk about how awful x86 is all the time 13:00:21 Like, you could program it to I dunno, shoot bullets... to the left? 13:00:23 remember that RISC is explicitly designed to make writing assembly by hand *harder* 13:00:31 kmc: okay okay, i was joking abut x86 13:00:47 kmc, dude the only reliable way to get it into protected mode is to use the keyboard controller. 13:01:18 you have engaged rant mode 13:01:26 Phantom_Hoover: a) that's a property of the PC platform, not x86 13:01:36 b) i was talking about "normal" code not weird platform specific OS code 13:01:43 which is pretty ugly on most systems 13:02:09 setting up the A20 line is, like, two instructions of the whole thing 13:02:39