#include
main(){printf("Hello, world!\n");}

< 1343130790 807048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1343130809 159400 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343130836 417289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no non-html version though
< 1343131020 425031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has to be html, don't you know that ;)
< 1343131052 585938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSses of the future are just a kernel and a browser .
< 1343131068 474329 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not want
< 1343131082 662809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future does not care what you want ;)
< 1343131094 737443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $0`
< 1343131094 889304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $NDK_DIR`
< 1343131094 889495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDK_DIR=`dirname $NDK_DIR`
< 1343131095 622031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343131124 295481 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'll build my OWN computer with µcontrollers! 
< 1343131125 426825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this won't work when invoked with a relative path I think
< 1343131127 729118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343131154 638549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, wirebonding and TTL logic?
< 1343131169 285378 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343131183 352982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not wirebonding
< 1343131186 156475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the wrong word
< 1343131188 41849 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(01:13:04 PM) fizzie: What, with C++? <- C++11 allows GC
< 1343131193 576353 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wirewrapping?
< 1343131202 294582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes that is it
< 1343131214 691005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, compacting GC?
< 1343131216 813055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, HOW?
< 1343131261 396132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think you could include a GC in C/C++... The compiler has to embed type information though so you can know what is a pointer and what isn't
< 1343131281 209590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would still be easy to break it by doing stuff many programs do but which isn't strictly conforming
< 1343131301 944624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People actually use that Boehm GC sometimes, I believe.
< 1343131312 538066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the conservative guesswork mostly-works ones.
< 1343131358 648621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However C++11 adds a few restrictions to implementations so that some behavior that would prevent garbage collection to work is now disallowed. This includes in particular common ways to "hide" pointers from a possible garbage collector, like applying xor to it."
< 1343131364 129130 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2011/n3242.pdf
< 1343131364 443104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I recall they did something like that.
< 1343131366 492409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, boehm gc is not compacting
< 1343131372 854015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't say it was.
< 1343131386 630550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just said "include a GC".
< 1343131394 861530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343131399 549077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I meant a compacting one
< 1343131403 446194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually not slow
< 1343131416 666672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used boehm, it is slow
< 1343131430 831848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :old versions of cfunge supported it as an option
< 1343131457 128684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131467 732086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 1334-page PDF is the best response to a question like that.
< 1343131502 546099 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a working paper for the standard
< 1343131522 108428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm however 99% sure that cfunge has no actual memory leaks. There are some stuff that will never shrink due to poor fingerprint design or the stuff being kept around in a pool for the future, but no actual leaks.
< 1343131626 344250 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/C++0xFAQ.html#gc-abi
< 1343131637 698722 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably a better answer
< 1343131725 814810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" There are legitimate reasons to disguise pointers (e.g. the xor trick in exceptionally memory-constrained applications), but not as many as some programmers think. "
< 1343131730 844320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what xor trick?
< 1343131742 984047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would it help with memory-constrained applications
< 1343131747 916960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the xor trick
< 1343131770 459615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes
< 1343131772 348201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1343131789 736088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can do a doubly-linked list with just one pointer.
< 1343131801 85267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, nice
< 1343131806 527843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343131811 466536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Assuming you always know one of the neighbours, the one you're coming from.
< 1343131834 765740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously
< 1343131859 681517 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131865 432744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means if you give someone a plain "Node*" they can't iterate in either direction, of course.
< 1343131870 626924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But them's the breaks.
< 1343131886 525644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1343131896 932017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kind of useful in some embedded systems I guess
< 1343131921 302295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it live, but it's quite often mentioned as an example in these discussions.
< 1343131925 311305 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343131997 104256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you were putting busybox on your phone?
< 1343132001 954387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how did that work out?
< 1343132003 962545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can remove the pointer overhead by as much just by unrolling two (or more by unrolling a few more) list elements in a single node, anyway.
< 1343132015 29837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/remove/lower/ or whatever.
< 1343132017 544342 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343132020 58122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true
< 1343132024 19611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduce is the word I was thinking of, probably.
< 1343132031 2680 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit
< 1343132112 347919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, now MTP started working under linux
< 1343132116 726780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I started rythmbox
< 1343132118 450191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343132143 179685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it started working /IN/ rythmbox, no it opened nautilus with the phone
< 1343132150 902270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the phone with nautilus
< 1343132167 986512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it only shows the content after I close rythmbox
< 1343132474 62740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You can generate fibonacci sequence by chaining ^^++[+[-
< 1343132494 640034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {2 3}{^^++[+[-}e!
< 1343132495 587519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{3 5}
< 1343132520 316227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {2 3}{^^++[+[-}2.*\[e!
< 1343132521 133246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{5 8}
< 1343132549 906256 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343132577 136825 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tclsh
< 1343132587 891582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: tclsh: command not found
< 1343132599 423221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {0 1}{^^++[+[-}9.*\[e!-]
< 1343132600 749460 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :34
< 1343132606 883921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- 9th fibonacci number
< 1343132623 995634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {0 1}{^^++[+[-}10.*\[e!-]
< 1343132624 668977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :55
< 1343132630 353451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- 10th fibonacci number and so on.
< 1343132695 615452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It calculates the sum of the list, appends to sum to the list, and removes the first element of the list.
< 1343132706 194751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the sum to
< 1343132726 723720 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you calculate a square root?
< 1343132811 712919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) 1{1.+}{^^.*81==1.-}w!
< 1343132811 905054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1343132838 488123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment it, duplicate, multiply, compare with the number
< 1343132845 43527 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use that to generate the nth fibonacci number
< 1343132863 589864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=1;i*i != 81;i++) 
< 1343132876 237033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, no wonder this box is slow; a gigabyte of memory, and someone else has a full gnome desktop also running in a Xvnc on it.
< 1343132886 16020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.- is the not, here :)
< 1343132891 708069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not really a not of course.
< 1343132975 513255 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of a language is that?
< 1343133001 886175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : increment it, duplicate, multiply, compare with the number <-- that sounds like a slow square root implementation
< 1343133016 191449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed.
< 1343133024 602976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, besides what will it do when the square root is not an integer?
< 1343133038 206302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, talk to them about it?
< 1343133062 174078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stlang has a sqrt builtin, so Burlesque get's one too
< 1343133082 367464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not available *yet*.
< 1343133085 507041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1343133093 261742 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you can round, fibonacci would get really easy
< 1343133098 659188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how is sqrt normally done on real hardware?
< 1343133103 231915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point sqrt that is
< 1343133106 838914 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use the formula
< 1343133114 59966 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1343133121 300110 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :My calculator uses newton's method
< 1343133125 802048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343133128 783286 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1343133136 765693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does glibc do
< 1343133142 580097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newton tangens thingy?
< 1343133151 78302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with that one
< 1343133154 755785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know who it is.
< 1343133173 565288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: round floats?
< 1343133186 274377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know the user name of course, but I hardly know anyone here.
< 1343133187 411195 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, for Fibonacci
< 1343133210 5379 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tails/replicate version works, but will get slower of course :)
< 1343133229 677788 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to add Floats first :)
< 1343133236 514806 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1343133241 14476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But
< 1343133248 369803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme 10 minutes and it's done :D
< 1343133264 373753 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, could you make integers that can be larger
< 1343133270 516024 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell's Integer
< 1343133276 691087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could switch to Integer
< 1343133305 835537 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ri^^{\/^^.+\/1.-}{}w!vv with 100000 gives me 0
< 1343133345 528494 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 31 gives me
< 1343133351 790951 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2147483648
< 1343133363 143134 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which both look like an overflow :(
< 1343133370 317313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343133372 618549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int is bounded.
< 1343133449 949991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although certain haskell functions onyl take Int
< 1343133462 400302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so If I use Integer I have to "downsize" it to Int for some functions
< 1343133497 919243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, or avoid those functions
< 1343133510 65523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing replacements for them
< 1343133527 277925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that, yes.
< 1343133579 955603 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm writing HELP (Handy esoteric language preprocessed) for blsq :D
< 1343133598 437664 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*preprocessor
< 1343133746 189467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Data.List have generic functions
< 1343133750 137976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which work on Integral stuff.
< 1343133785 538787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343133788 520640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericTake
< 1343134046 535137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/commit/0fe0340d664617e65fc3f92a2555485c24ed7a48 <- Integer
< 1343134148 184903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1343134728 38902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm NEON registers are mapped into the same memory as the FPU registers on ARM
< 1343134728 866525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343134731 279301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is like MMX
< 1343134733 517767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible
< 1343134759 182503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1343134781 887903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) 81.0 0.5 **
< 1343134782 609274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.0
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< 1343135935 70044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: blsq ) 3.1459 3 r_
< 1343135935 221485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.146
< 1343135958 628874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HELP support #define,#include stuff?
< 1343135998 390143 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't tried it yet
< 1343136119 721176 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so far it's a simple macro preprocessor, I plan to add more features such as #include
< 1343136183 253528 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk
< 1343136267 45035 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: eventually it should have much more than cpp
< 1343136287 436508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the closed fibonacci formula is not really practical on any physical machine :)
< 1343136296 227276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it diverges pretty soon.
< 1343136305 392027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere around 40
< 1343136321 408198 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343136333 29444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you expect?
< 1343136336 522612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah
< 1343136343 676318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpus have limited precision.
< 1343136381 535860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I'm going to work on getting various useful tools compiled for my phone. If you want copies once I get them working I will happily share if your ABI is compatible
< 1343136393 966297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for ARMv7 with NEON here
< 1343136394 822812 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you stored it in ExtraLongFloat?
< 1343136404 773213 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that'd be BigDouble
< 1343136414 763781 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have arbitrary precision floating point code.
< 1343136427 740415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would only push the problem a little bit further into the future ;)
< 1343136432 14219 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what processor you have them compiled to?
< 1343136438 800421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Like gmp?
< 1343136462 29921 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that
< 1343136465 396803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp also only has a fixed precision afaik.
< 1343136465 898567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Well I read the NDK docs now and it seems I want ARMv7 with NEON
< 1343136474 408078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, since my phone supports that
< 1343136476 658935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can initialize a float with 100000000000000 bit precision
< 1343136478 693686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still fixed.
< 1343136482 658617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can even target more specifically than that
< 1343136486 487729 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well my phone is ARMv6 ...
< 1343136503 389107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch. You have to do your own compiling then (or find suitable versions)
< 1343136513 382416 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, You could do something like
< 1343136524 447161 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :log2(n)*32 bits percision
< 1343136535 391664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how old is it?
< 1343136550 441194 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought it new in spring 2011
< 1343136554 115623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343136558 955333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, low end I presume?
< 1343136563 243534 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343136567 815893 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTC Wildfire
< 1343136577 995150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that even the N900 has an ARMv7
< 1343136580 740396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that right?
< 1343136682 791414 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer use it as my main phone because after I accidentaly dropped it in sink full of water, disassembled it and let it dry it no longer recognises my SIM card
< 1343136733 502743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh
< 1343136738 43531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so what is your main phone?
< 1343136748 670791 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343136751 938819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1343136759 872195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and how old is that model?
< 1343136765 792011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and does it have NEON?
< 1343136777 607550 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some old Nokia phone I picked up at second hand shop for 8 euros
< 1343136795 20425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does have NEON, and it's from about 2010 I suppose.
< 1343136816 67877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1343136824 288161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah your phone was definitely low end :P
< 1343136831 419467 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343136849 111643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no hardware fpu
< 1343136864 797042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same OMAP3 platform model that's in e.g. Motorola Droid and Palm Pre, if you know those things.
< 1343136865 537321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even if it has one, android ndk won't use it)
< 1343136878 390173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not really no
< 1343136917 850624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: mash the volume down button on the computer that the headphones are actually connected to next time
< 1343137008 300687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now to compile file(1)
< 1343137027 532617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :first step: finding the source
< 1343137043 97779 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try stealing the sash version. it is self contained
< 1343137058 524303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my busybox lacks file
< 1343137059 237940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343137066 21579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, any features lacking?
< 1343137094 392926 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it has builtin database but nothing that I can tell
< 1343137132 435479 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also building sash can be good thing to do regardless. it is bit nicer than android toolbox
< 1343137150 627884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I do have busybox on it, and I very much like busybox
< 1343137159 548439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that my busybox lacks file
< 1343137190 244716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apt-get source file might work
< 1343137240 327994 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. I thought that you were installing busybox. sash has for example builtin gzip/gunzip, chmod, cp and tar
< 1343137255 426093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no I installed busybox earlier with a prebuilt version of it
< 1343137262 650308 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343137263 997266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two weeks ago
< 1343137284 349545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but file is such a useful command when poking around :P
< 1343137298 27380 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343137318 200664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, massive ubuntu patch from apt-get source
< 1343137318 521727 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my busybox on  my main computer also lacks file
< 1343137335 222974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 patch files
< 1343137343 966428 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :file is just a shell script that invokes sash
< 1343137344 117799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure busybox even has file
< 1343137371 658304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my GNU file (or whatever, is the usual file GNU?)
< 1343137691 570748 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343137770 304706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1343137783 484090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm gonna write me a syntax highlighter html-format for Burlesque
< 1343137789 625248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can write a cookbook for it :D
< 1343137793 467890 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343137805 152342 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343137841 319645 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343137853 812424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, what is the --build and --host for android
< 1343137903 448508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to cross-compile some autotools thing for Android?
< 1343137906 871208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes
< 1343137910 107695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, file
< 1343137927 601603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the --host from the cross compiler's -v output was unrecognized
< 1343137939 69726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a small shell script to run adb pull and run your host's file command on it
< 1343137950 891069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is arm-linux-androideabi
< 1343137963 860410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I want it from the terminal emulator on the device :P
< 1343138033 162831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, this problem sounds reasonably googlable :)
< 1343138041 660352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343138043 611976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343138220 955767 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is actually incapable of googling
< 1343138237 99276 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look through the logs you'll see many instances of this unfortunate syndrome.
< 1343138250 619142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Vorpal
< 1343138253 902342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea.
< 1343138289 572674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olsner
< 1343138292 530162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1343138311 416117 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom
< 1343138314 702887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ hexham \ ievan \ intercal \ internationale \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lens \ lifthrasiir \ mad \ misspellings of croissant \ monad \ monads \ monoid
< 1343138314 950653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, there is a newer config.sub
< 1343138320 717634 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1343138324 100276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom
< 1343138334 361335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1343138337 581070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1343138341 183137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138344 982885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138351 339268 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1343138354 59934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir is shunned by the rest of his country for being no good at League of Legends.
< 1343138357 405784 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1343138359 397505 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1343138366 816355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?
< 1343138370 132221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z) \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" \
< 1343138380 785265 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343138393 370616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski
< 1343138396 279992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
< 1343138476 197696 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee
< 1343138478 352567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, isn't banach-tarski effectively saying the same thing as 2*Inf = Inf?
< 1343138479 144959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants.
< 1343138493 587154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finns
< 1343138496 970247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are helpful, albeit grossly overpopulated (cf. 'Finland').
< 1343138499 351767 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but there's more balls involved.
< 1343138548 880101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, I selected --enable-static and got a dynamically linked binary
< 1343138549 548697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1343138572 782752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :--enable-static is short for --enable-static=no
< 1343138577 494244 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try --static
< 1343138583 58142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, really?
< 1343138596 840697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I googled it for you
< 1343138601 434227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you read the list of dynamic libraries without using ldd (which obviously won't work cross-platform)
< 1343138607 235751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I don't believe it
< 1343138612 865296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then don't!
< 1343138625 136674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is only the library
< 1343138627 212206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343138662 782537 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Guy Greg should be a religion.
< 1343138671 997378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, unknown option. I guess I need to mess with CFLAGS and/or LDFLAGS
< 1343138675 275060 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :for atheists
< 1343138696 351901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are those arguments for configure?
< 1343138696 650905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a way to list of dynamic libraries without ldd sounds useful... obviously the information is in there, in some section related to dynamic linking
< 1343138701 398580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes
< 1343138714 657129 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CFLAGS=--static
< 1343138719 707318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and it is -static for gcc I'm pretty sure (as in, just one -)=
< 1343138723 320874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1343138728 369108 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'll need to find it for Vorpal
< 1343138732 765568 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there's no hope for him
< 1343138733 322398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is
< 1343138738 402620 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well gcc seems to accept both
< 1343138743 649835 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343138772 588720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: ahh modern religion might prove be kick ass, hence they won't actually call it religion
< 1343138810 676634 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Good Guy Greg inspires what is essentially humanism.
< 1343138844 547720 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should switch majors to English and then right a thesis on Good Guy Greg.

< 1343138865 716666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Good Guy is becoming a group now
< 1343138895 243703 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343138906 223442 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1343138914 549108 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead.�
< 1343138917 571601 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :― Kurt Vonnegut 
< 1343138938 783596 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343138986 285749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my file works
< 1343139010 710176 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1343139018 376007 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your file is just, like, data man.
< 1343139034 623733 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: command named file
< 1343139043 283245 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: on the surface it's easy
< 1343139077 223561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it expects to find the magic data under a specific place though, since that is how normal file works. I decided to go for putting all my custom stuff in /data/arvid, since I found it unlikely to collide with anything else
< 1343139082 943533 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike your mom, who is easy at all depths.
< 1343139088 818592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is useless to you
< 1343139107 23539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a start, different ABI, also your phone is not rooted, so you can't use that path)
< 1343139117 121084 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139118 945995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of appeals to nature, to genetics, to other things, to explain human desires
< 1343139124 544576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it rooted
< 1343139128 579991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said it wasn't
< 1343139131 319552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure any more
< 1343139132 423555 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just compile my own cross compiler
< 1343139140 375301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, eh, android ndk includes it
< 1343139145 715921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to set it up
< 1343139151 933549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, society becomes reified
< 1343139154 532970 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much disk space it requires?
< 1343139156 595260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like run a script, export a few env variables
< 1343139157 820998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343139240 931672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 561 MB for the NDK itself (when uncompressed). The script then generates the standalone toolchain directory tree (98 MB), after that you can throw away the rest of the NDK. You also need a few basic bits of the SDK to push your files onto the device probably
< 1343139251 344309 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139258 88804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how large those bits of the SDK are
< 1343139265 898179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have a lot of the SDK installed
< 1343139266 716632 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bits?
< 1343139272 147429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for multiple ABI versions
< 1343139272 996398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343139280 200075 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139301 53703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the platform tools and sdk tools
< 1343139308 77118 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343139314 30865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, to get adb for adb shell?
< 1343139324 246705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc part of the NDK docs said it was needed
< 1343139341 115555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right you might want to save the docs directory from the NDK as well :P
< 1343139354 482595 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does it need usb connection to phone?
< 1343139370 920410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well how else would you push files easily?
< 1343139380 176942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could send them over some other way
< 1343139382 114163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1343139400 195687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but no the NDK doesn't need it when compiling
< 1343139405 538055 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have a problem. I don't reliable usb port
< 1343139412 358652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, huh?
< 1343139414 421022 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+have
< 1343139421 944565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, send it over however you want then
< 1343139434 584087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use whatever you use on the device for the shell :P
< 1343139435 91656 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only usb port on this machine sometimes refuses to work
< 1343139441 432311 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139463 89857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, just be aware of that you need numeric modes for the standard chmod on android :P
< 1343139469 640874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is pretty terrible
< 1343139504 687886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm /sbin/ueventd is a symlink to /init
< 1343139507 400012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1343139537 526287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is ueventd, thought it was udev, but doesn't appear so
< 1343139549 131452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: i suppose my confusion is to how an individual gains more benefits by reproducing and by providing riches and power to his/her offspring than he/she benefits by living in harmony
< 1343139561 456299 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what other modes there are other than numeric?
< 1343139565 178497 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139576 17851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, in order to have our individuality are we secretly in debt to our collective?
< 1343139582 536352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, symbolic, like u+x
< 1343139586 420919 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343139586 572198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't work
< 1343139590 338275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343139593 900411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do 775 or whatever
< 1343139606 887171 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that kind of modes existed
< 1343139612 656439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really?
< 1343139617 477544 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use numeric mode
< 1343139619 272789 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343139619 424264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we secretly required to help our own species compete and prosper against other species?
< 1343139622 153883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that way you can do difference to existing
< 1343139628 694781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't with numeric
< 1343139635 502356 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343139652 126434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, like chmod -R g+r . to recursively add group read to a directory hierarchy
< 1343139653 923566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is our means of doing this to blow up earth? :D
< 1343139654 751614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the man page :P
< 1343139669 4207 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'll just install man
< 1343139674 946399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, "lol"
< 1343139677 4599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and man-pages
< 1343139686 360058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the actual data files
< 1343139691 993539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1343139692 708338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343139697 685944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever your system calls that package
< 1343139698 679612 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1343139707 663397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have manuals
< 1343139714 177281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray
< 1343139759 552964 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I already had them but I had to install retawq to use man
< 1343139781 880097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is retawq
< 1343139795 105397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, wait are you still on netbsd?
< 1343139802 606709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the ndk will work on that
< 1343139806 101694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. on slitaz
< 1343139807 375628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- not so good guy
< 1343139814 516583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is slitaz?
< 1343139816 923660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it linux?
< 1343139820 353299 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1343139843 97961 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: netbsd was in my virtual machine
< 1343139868 858462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so anyone knows how to do what ldd does without using ldd? Since ldd is not cross-platform
< 1343139872 726100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess readelf can do it
< 1343139878 651245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know which bit
< 1343139884 537865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343139953 50737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i mean is that it seems to me that what is a crime among individuals is often not against the goals of a species at large
< 1343139980 484324 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like?
< 1343140007 428062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, stealing is just about being competitive with resources
< 1343140018 933682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah readelf -d
< 1343140028 717940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NEEDED" lines
< 1343140065 538099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, google altruism
< 1343140160 283261 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure if that was intended as a counterargument
< 1343140164 239819 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really one.
< 1343140205 949574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of is?
< 1343140225 214607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do what ldd does without using ldd? set the magic environment variable and run the program, then it will print the ldd output and exit instead of starting up
< 1343140267 701254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity, rather than trying to outsmart the other individuals to get the most food or whatever for yourself, a /truly/ altruistic approach would be to share so that everyone gets enough to survive at least
< 1343140308 610759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think...
< 1343140314 268741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've broken my memory stick
< 1343140318 479630 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do I need to specify what android version to use?
< 1343140329 297752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true altruism might involve selecting the people that are useful for everyone and feeding them first
< 1343140341 53686 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343140343 604719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no it won't, because dynamic linker is stupid on target platform :P
< 1343140360 432959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think where humanity is heading is to focus not on killing the excess, but having less babies, based on a change of priority to benefit those living humans rather than increasing their number
< 1343140368 484278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, android doesn't use ld.so, it uses a custom inferior one (/system/bin/linker)
< 1343140377 775565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, err the API version yes
< 1343140390 448878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what does about device say for android version?
< 1343140398 562988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can convert it to the API version for you
< 1343140403 787721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas what http://imgur.com/M1RjT means?
< 1343140406 712430 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2.2.1
< 1343140432 565716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343140461 695601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's what mount gives you when something is wrong, could mean anything
< 1343140473 815903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, $NDK/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh --platform=android-8 --install-dir=/tmp/my-android-toolchain
< 1343140492 654648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that should be the right one
< 1343140500 435092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at a point as a species that, in an emergency we could probably reach 50 billion humans in 10 years with appropriate use of laws and medical technology
< 1343140516 582773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we no longer need our obsession with sex
< 1343140526 32277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and then move /tmp/my-android-toolchain to wheverever you want
< 1343140528 961153 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, can just format it?
< 1343140530 734327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read the rest of the document
< 1343140531 26988 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140553 664837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or specify your final target location for it right away)
< 1343140569 380838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon /opt/android-ndk-r8b $ ls platforms/
< 1343140569 532203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :android-14  android-3  android-4  android-5  android-8  android-9
< 1343140577 249503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all API versions have new NDK versions
< 1343140590 766221 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140605 358596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fwiw, it's usually *not* a broken file system that's the cause
< 1343140615 418900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I wanted to format it anyway
< 1343140626 616726 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343140633 503692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then formatting before trying to mount it is a good idea
< 1343140645 438441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway, you might want to save a copy of docs/STANDALONE-TOOLCHAIN.html at least even if you delete the rest of the NDK
< 1343140661 418616 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343140662 141220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the entire docs/
< 1343140665 590439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't that large
< 1343140692 915554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i didn't make monqy leave, i have /leave paranoia when someone leaves after i have started 
< 1343140707 10333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think he is so fickle as that
< 1343140710 218789 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1343140724 702757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sudo file -sL /dev/sdb1 
< 1343140727 527421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say
< 1343140748 195813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"data"
< 1343140751 417333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343140757 262630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sudo file -sL /dev/sdb* ? 
< 1343140772 413630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sdb1: data
< 1343140777 650954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1343140778 774656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and for /dev/sdb itself?
< 1343140781 433039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to take off the 1
< 1343140791 349837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'bootimg                         ' (bootable)
< 1343140803 513048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, how does that even have a sdb1 then
< 1343140811 903614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is obviously no partition table
< 1343140814 977025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DOES THAT WORK?
< 1343140823 327695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW
< 1343140852 560689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, did you not unplug and replug it after you messed up the partition table?
< 1343140855 354564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it
< 1343140868 546106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've repeatedly unplugged and replugged it?
< 1343140872 22141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343140872 795992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343140875 727955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I have no idea
< 1343140898 566292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway I don't think bootable USB sticks work like that
< 1343140904 845537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what it is supposed to be
< 1343141064 713790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though
< 1343141118 7818 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: can't open name: no such file
< 1343141120 929464 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_text_--arch=: not found
< 1343141124 12418 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_abstract_Specify: not found
< 1343141125 652984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343141126 997749 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1343141136 706557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you specify?
< 1343141140 481996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your command line
< 1343141154 27819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you specify --arch to it? Since it defaults to arm
< 1343141162 939726 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSROOT=/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/platforms/android-8/arch-arm/ $NDK/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh --platform=android-8 --install-dir=/tmp/my-android-toolchain
< 1343141182 52499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is not right
< 1343141184 34852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the script to *compile* a toolchain from scratch? the ndk already has a built toolchain you can use
< 1343141199 187658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, drop the sysroot stuff, that is for the alternative approach
< 1343141234 351577 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343141257 485126 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: can't open name: no such file
< 1343141260 405346 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_text_--toolchain=: not found
< 1343141263 530468 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/juhani/src/android-ndk-r8b/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh: eval: line 1: OPTIONS_abstract_Specify: not found
< 1343141265 595504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, okay, maybe you need bash for this?
< 1343141266 510550 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr: syntax error
< 1343141267 491772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1343141272 808507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least dash
< 1343141284 449016 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing with bash
< 1343141289 427529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then I'm clueless
< 1343141297 167414 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343141297 694644 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying busybox instead of toybox
< 1343141303 752674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that might help yes
< 1343141345 12934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, personally I used the full gnu thingy, I guess I could export one and upload it to dropbox for you if that doesn't work. Going to take a while though, my upload is rather slow
< 1343141351 19286 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing
< 1343141383 42248 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are your binaries PIII compatible?
< 1343141397 844714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well, the script forces 32-bit binaries
< 1343141403 493939 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343141406 813400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the NDK works on PIII then sure
< 1343141443 878206 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get on this memory stick
< 1343141481 515173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 MB file to upload, *tries to recompress as xz*
< 1343141521 670019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz -9 running...
< 1343141557 286176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using plain xz would probably end up being faster :-P
< 1343141568 859484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1343141573 89348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still smaller than bzip2
< 1343141588 780030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-147-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1343141590 327047 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9 only differs from -8 for files bigger than 32 megs anyway
< 1343141591 54445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-99.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343141618 707651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well the file is 96 MB :P
< 1343141627 978905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 MB from bzip2
< 1343141633 649951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1343141643 101249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 16 MB from plain xz
< 1343141647 439503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough
< 1343141670 80588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION moves it to the dropbox directory

< 1343141749 215435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway the default is -6 not -8
< 1343141778 8042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah xz is slow
< 1343141795 719251 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, I was just pointing out that -9 is uselessly much anyway
< 1343141802 637654 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although of course it's easier to just use -9 always
< 1343141805 525199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or -9e :-P)
< 1343141825 934615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, -e increases the work on the uncompressing side, no?
< 1343141834 14118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess not
< 1343141838 724104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343141849 149121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it compresses worse, of course
< 1343141859 470075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does higher number mean more memory when uncompressing then?
< 1343141864 17431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1343141865 986028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343141871 948982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess -6 is good for nortti then :P
< 1343141879 980217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with his low spec machine
< 1343141886 2176 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343141904 914341 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your phone is probably more powerful
< 1343141915 167907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87474461/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6.tar.xz
< 1343141928 879487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes, quad core 1.4 GHz ARMv7 with NEON :P
< 1343141933 52505 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343141935 673972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has more cores than my laptop
< 1343141946 567282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Core 2 Duo @ 2.26 GHz)
< 1343141960 911155 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. my computer is single core 700 MHz Pentium III
< 1343141979 540918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, still my desktop beats both: Quad core Core i7 (Sandy Bridge) at 3.4 GHz
< 1343141993 919398 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343141995 57883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has hyperthreading too
< 1343142009 471949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 8 logical cores, 4 real ones
< 1343142032 487976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. well I'm moving to 500MHz g3 with 640MB of RAM in few weeks
< 1343142034 507313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway tell me when you finished downloading, I want to delete that file when I'm done
< 1343142039 290341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :g3?
< 1343142040 272118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343142044 962567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you
< 1343142047 356994 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done
< 1343142052 258827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would you use a G3?
< 1343142061 561794 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was cheap
< 1343142075 767388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not going to drop your current machine I hope
< 1343142083 695694 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343142099 479088 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current machine has 64MB of RAM
< 1343142110 688475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hope of android programming on PPC I'm afraid, without making your own toolchain from scratch
< 1343142124 771068 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah?
< 1343142129 891090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think the SDK for java supports that either
< 1343142143 564003 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. I hate java
< 1343142146 451634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1343142154 792497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why did you ever get an android phone then? ;P
< 1343142168 2125 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because other choice was nokia
< 1343142175 7454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbian? right
< 1343142179 494436 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with symbian s60
< 1343142258 795794 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbian that the last nokia symbian phones used was large improvement over symbian s60
< 1343142287 23379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you might need to download new config.sub or config.guess for autotools projects, if they complain about androideabi being an unknown system
< 1343142298 759223 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142306 635829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used --host=arm-linux-androideabi to ./configure
< 1343142360 491288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also set --prefix to wherever you intend to put the stuff on the phone, then use DESTDIR=some/path/here make install
< 1343142370 319523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't try to install to that absolute path
< 1343142483 542218 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where configure is located?
< 1343142507 327678 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you're talking about busybox
< 1343142537 959188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, no about ./configure style projects
< 1343142542 624976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142544 236606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, like GNU file
< 1343142548 985488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox uses a different system
< 1343142555 26102 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343142555 177653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically like the kernel config
< 1343142559 819906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how you set that up
< 1343142567 183571 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I'll try
< 1343142575 548753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll google :PO
< 1343142577 75585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P*
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< 1343142587 984531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like first hit is their FAQ
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< 1343143001 194171 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: HELP will also allow comments I think :)
< 1343143040 380438 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, comments that do not take time to process)
< 1343143070 495306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, comments that do not take time to process?
< 1343143071 271613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343143087 216420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it will take time to parse them
< 1343143113 15136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, you can't write a lexer which magically skips comments!
< 1343143131 988495 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :include/libbb.h:256:7: error: size of array 'BUG_off_t_size_is_misdetected' is negative
< 1343143132 849456 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're preprocessed out long before execution
< 1343143136 692318 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. what?
< 1343143142 973712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, right, you didn't specify at which stage
< 1343143144 404399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what
< 1343143150 720016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what are you trying to compile?
< 1343143155 115269 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox
< 1343143155 943234 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: currently you would have to pop a value from the stack
< 1343143167 940111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh I'm configuring it atm. Spending ages in menuconfig for it XD
< 1343143171 425517 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but you're right, I should have mentioned that
< 1343143174 653092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah I'm that sort of person)
< 1343143202 480906 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: make defconfig
< 1343143231 1333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, default config? Too boring
< 1343143240 500934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides some of these options look bad on android
< 1343143244 11119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no /var
< 1343143253 261675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously can't do stuff that requires that
< 1343143310 971411 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343143461 596355 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use devpts?
< 1343143516 95490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well on my phone the answer is yes
< 1343143526 782219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check if you have /dev/pts (and something in that) on your own phone
< 1343143551 350452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also avoid the suid stuff, especially if you aren't rooted, you are not going to have /etc/busybox.conf in any case
< 1343143578 467680 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 1) would you be able to make an online shell (I could maybe do it if you don't want to) 2) haskeline is not part of haskell-platform
< 1343143588 62175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Build options, set the sysroot and so on (/opt/android-ndk-standalone/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/sysroot for me)
< 1343143594 130756 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Path to BusyBox executable (BUSYBOX_EXEC_PATH) [/proc/self/exe] ?
< 1343143603 980978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, sure, that is standard linux behaviour
< 1343143703 783181 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :intallation prefix?
< 1343143723 989489 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: never mind 2, I installed libghc6-haskeline-dev
< 1343143730 94751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm? where is that?
< 1343143751 502782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I like how the config tool warns you that enabling a specific feature will use ~60 bytes more
< 1343143752 872788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1343143785 772895 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BusyBox installation prefix (PREFIX) [./_install]
< 1343143820 441692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no idea
< 1343143829 367388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I can't find the applet selection list
< 1343143830 804251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it
< 1343143882 996591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1343143886 925800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't the top menu XD
< 1343143900 418869 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use termios to manipulate the screen (FEATURE_USE_TERMIOS) [Y/n/?]
< 1343143928 687888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, I'm jumping around in menu config, not using plain config
< 1343143944 148433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should be enabled
< 1343143956 464626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least after reading the help for it
< 1343144084 769675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is patch under editors?
< 1343144095 658191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten that far yet
< 1343144300 923145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, bbiab food
< 1343144699 508846 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still getting include/libbb.h:256:7: error: size of array 'BUG_off_t_size_is_misdetected' is negative error
< 1343145178 613654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343145190 109292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I will try to compile it myself soon
< 1343145559 753540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-empty list comonad can be coapplicative, isn't it?
< 1343145574 542243 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:1: error: unknown type name 'ssize_t'
< 1343145574 694338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:34: error: unknown type name 'size_t'
< 1343145574 845599 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/portability.h:84:56: error: unknown type name 'FILE'
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< 1343145580 283678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, huh
< 1343145583 703873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is screwed up
< 1343145592 482280 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to compile toybox
< 1343145604 764001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343145612 750359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk_: Did you have _ on your name before, or just now?
< 1343145613 840430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I run into the libbb thing too
< 1343145643 309652 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the client puts it on if it can't get my nick, due to a stuck connection, etc.
< 1343145651 913797 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343145652 142042 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk
< 1343145665 448304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh googling that error suggests some small patches may be needed
< 1343145675 654358 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343145705 966757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, or hm configs/android_ndk_defconfig?
< 1343145728 208126 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1343145735 524057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in the busybox sources
< 1343145737 776886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that file existsw
< 1343145740 112885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists*
< 1343145740 849195 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343145744 963828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Do you know coapplicative?
< 1343145749 956264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I do want a few extra applets though
< 1343145757 792351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway google the libbbb error
< 1343145762 674272 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen various attempts by people to specify one
< 1343145767 56889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit was on github, very useful
< 1343145791 94129 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as you don't have comonoids in hask its less relevant ;)
< 1343145800 114758 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we also don't have coexponentials
< 1343145827 909578 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PART :#esoteric
< 1343146281 196090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah https://github.com/tias/android-busybox-ndk works for me so far (still compiling) Need to adjust the API version from 9 to 8 for your phone though
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< 1343146460 606276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay this busybox has lsof
< 1343146465 17010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I was using did not
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< 1343147454 505278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should I be able to install busybox if I download the file to sdcard using ftp with es explorer and the install it using cat to /data/org.connectbot ?
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< 1343147601 460548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, sure, and then chmod as required
< 1343147625 367567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh and use busybox ln rather than just ln if you want to link the applets
< 1343147632 137885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot why
< 1343147639 5994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but android ln was slightly broken
< 1343147645 920813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the exact details
< 1343147916 772961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, btw why haven't you rooted the phone?
< 1343148297 44857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1343148313 595013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, did it work?
< 1343148318 687436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I think I could hack something together using Ajax and CGI, yes.
< 1343148401 460043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably without Ajax too :)
< 1343148706 916249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't host it, no.
< 1343148725 797533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without lots of efforts.
< 1343148758 65620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to make sure that the process terminates after a time, terminates if it consumes to much time etc.
< 1343148775 874053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure apaches cgi module has enough support for that.
< 1343148803 652463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you could write a cgi wrapper for that?
< 1343148828 266534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could.
< 1343148844 631355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew the right unix tools to launch processes with restrictions :)
< 1343148880 415013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343148884 464462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache has RLimitMEM
< 1343148885 431290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.
< 1343148923 32103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Then I can host it.
< 1343149069 779951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343149177 486194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is NOW TIME TO INSTALL HAIKU
< 1343149179 186665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1343149209 213114 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343149211 913089 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343149228 748533 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1343149228 909957 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1343149336 896680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1343149355 300272 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343149355 451876 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343149377 784424 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 247 seconds
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< 1343149411 889601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why haiku?
< 1343149414 754093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that beos?
< 1343149604 660592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343149623 293878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want all my OS's to be from different families
< 1343149636 326865 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: compile failed
< 1343149639 858082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend with a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate
< 1343149646 292544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm used to Ubuntu
< 1343149649 733404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I craved a third
< 1343149660 965539 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so windows, linux, haiku, syllable, aros?
< 1343149703 346761 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory
< 1343149712 913979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syllable is unix-like
< 1343149718 860740 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?
< 1343149726 839368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia thinks it is
< 1343149730 965260 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343149743 714129 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is SkyOS still available?
< 1343149883 530245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think so
< 1343149889 298257 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Visopsys?
< 1343149932 233810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1343149945 741451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very 90's
< 1343149947 912780 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okk. now istall it and aros
< 1343149954 335183 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ok
< 1343150026 913024 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-90-215.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343150185 849760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory <-- did you use the config provided by that github project and the patches from it?
< 1343150188 170212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worked for me
< 1343150405 251613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I *could* host it if RLimitMEM would do what I expect it to do :(
< 1343150834 534867 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "Berlesque programmers are very rare. " typo :D?
< 1343150894 206588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343150895 773739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1343150924 808927 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP can only do something like # test := ri{^^\/1.-}{5.-}w!1.- at the moment
< 1343150959 205497 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add \ to allow it spanning over multiple lines
< 1343150986 185892 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could use a delimiter character
< 1343151005 137460 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what would be best
< 1343151050 386360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi
< 1343151117 444338 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1343151123 108524 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice
< 1343151147 467679 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, should I use ';' as a delimiter ?
< 1343151149 257508 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343151165 549951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delimiter for what?
< 1343151168 605376 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I use '\' to use multiple lines
< 1343151171 209042 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a defintion
< 1343151182 670721 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# macro := something here
< 1343151187 982699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar ; # foo2 = fooooo
< 1343151191 596002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that?
< 1343151200 700480 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, like:
< 1343151215 380443 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar
< 1343151215 653639 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bar bar
< 1343151241 920009 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a multi-line macro or whatever it should be called)
< 1343151266 432235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use indentation for that
< 1343151267 623885 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the example you gave would then be valid too
< 1343151272 972234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := bar
< 1343151275 728137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : still foo
< 1343151302 43787 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone had burleque that was shaped?
< 1343151319 140362 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they would need a space on the start of the line...
< 1343151322 858288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to put a space in front of each line
< 1343151335 753540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your code line starts with a space, then you just have two spaces
< 1343151346 861688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo := python code
< 1343151350 409663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : if bar:
< 1343151354 436910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :  foobar
< 1343151359 162390 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that.
< 1343151371 716064 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1343151402 838918 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YES
< 1343151406 380120 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1343151662 727908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ?
< 1343151665 294221 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is a single space fine, or should it be a larger amount of spaces?
< 1343151666 795560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to what
< 1343151693 695098 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16 < Vorpal>  Vorpal: networking/telnet.c:39:25: fatal error: arpa/telnet.h: No such file or directory <-- did you use the config provided by that github project and the patches from it?
< 1343151699 952946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I assume you adjusted the sysroot path in make menuconfig for it?
< 1343151704 951849 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343151719 511947 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually with vi .config
< 1343151781 134270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, there were some other differences due to newer version
< 1343151789 830910 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like?
< 1343151795 884272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon /opt/android-ndk-standalone/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/sysroot/usr/include $ find . -iname 'telnet.h'
< 1343151796 35673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :./arpa/telnet.h
< 1343151811 636225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, LSOF had to be enabled, since it is new in last busybox version
< 1343151817 74002 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343152018 989128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it refuses to get past the third symbol on the boot-up screen
< 1343152034 296798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, qemu?
< 1343152059 551479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't understand what you mean by that
< 1343152138 651419 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343152140 545404 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: note: 'SDL_GetKeyState' is defined in DSO /lib64/libSDL-1.2.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line
< 1343152141 813263 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, fancy.
< 1343152141 964636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm up to 2008
< 1343152180 724042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube is breaking for me today. Randomly jumping back to the start of the video or sometimes just stopping playing
< 1343152201 105650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, which linker is that? gnu ld or gold?
< 1343152207 468801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: darn you're fast
< 1343152210 201960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did it scan all your *.so=
< 1343152212 924874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1343152215 687259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1343152217 882051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold is a GNU ld, too.
< 1343152220 791480 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have practisew
< 1343152224 147330 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not gold.
< 1343152224 298491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-w
< 1343152226 696346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343152231 244824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, fancy still
< 1343152239 522345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should call them gnuld and gnold
< 1343152247 512367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what version and/or how?
< 1343152253 615102 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: new ld, gn old
< 1343152266 441665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2.22.0.20120323
< 1343152733 792797 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
< 1343152859 478757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: A single spaces is fine I guess.
< 1343152882 360823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link-time typechecking is what would be fancy. Does that happen yet? 
< 1343152938 553753 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As a replacement for, or in addition to, the normal kind?
< 1343153028 615138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to. The sort of thing that would catch if you have "int f(void); f();" in one translation unit (a term so old-fashioned-sounding) and "int f(int x) { return x; }" in another.
< 1343153081 483417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like something at least LLVM-style "compile to LLVM intermediate bytecode and then do whatevers at link-time" would catch.
< 1343153094 875084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm
< 1343153141 500301 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. That essentially amounts to a header file checker in practice, surely? And you usually include them in such a way that it'd get caught anyway.
< 1343153168 965906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what if you forgot to put static in front of some local functions?
< 1343153175 249493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that could happen
< 1343153221 85316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Header files, schmeader files. I just heard about some dude who just declares external functions only inside functions using them, because that's "data hiding".
< 1343153235 448393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1343153236 292531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including printf.)
< 1343153267 380059 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. Where is this?
< 1343153285 744886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it was a comp.lang.c thread, I don't think I could re-find it.
< 1343153300 118216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't "just" just.
< 1343153343 328815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as everything uses the wrong data, the real data is indeed hidden
< 1343153605 379263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C let you declare external functions inside functions? istr that's a c++ feature
< 1343153631 25883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can in C too.
< 1343153753 622117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The declaration of an identifier for a function that has block scope shall have no explicit storage-class specifier other than extern.
< 1343153775 930727 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-58.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343153810 75062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1343153820 520181 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's legal C.
< 1343153869 480797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid idea anyway, local declarations of external functions just invites getting it wrong
< 1343153872 139939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343153872 503930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343153879 656842 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1343153901 719091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ais523
< 1343153926 503954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1343153952 791237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scans for invisible ais523 talk

< 1343153954 973411 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343153962 920159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Data hiding! 
< 1343153970 924485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is none
< 1343153971 124592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practically any monad or comonad can be made using Const as a base
< 1343153981 35109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy/Empty = Const ()
< 1343153988 612461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity = Cofree Proxy
< 1343153996 912383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe = Free Proxy
< 1343154024 206166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NonEmpty = Cofree Maybe
< 1343154024 485378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true, that's a REALLY GOOD use for that feature
< 1343154032 995203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] = Compose Maybe NonEmpty
< 1343154052 786440 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343154057 476411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, this isn't true at all
< 1343154064 848177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of the abstract ones can
< 1343154083 809051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make anything with an (->) in it.
< 1343154087 988882 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you allow (->).
< 1343154090 7317 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1343154092 789439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343154108 789378 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a lot less awesome a revelation then I first entailed
< 1343154137 106755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either is the tagged union of Const and Identity?
< 1343155325 928194 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1343155330 244134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \  \ options: \   -l, --list             list valid datasets \   -d, --debug            debugging output \   -N, --dont-normalize   don't normalize frequencies when combining \                          multiple Markov models; this has the effect \                          of making larger datasets more influential \   -o, --target-offset    change the target length
< 1343155334 40525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1343155337 717520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1343155341 840117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-1M 50
< 1343155346 754095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :toox sanami tible austol dun unier ellit shutzotheich herian eling impumo bungazy veneffer fida eccart buonapolyzan baadenking pell corcen cord resposed oratine kunk more chaggr
< 1343155407 131023 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanami
< 1343155411 457909 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems more japanese
< 1343155423 872679 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaggr, check + swagger
< 1343155425 112133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“shutzotheich� doesn't strike me as very English either.
< 1343155439 184830 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :short for "check your swagger", said to someone when they are super uncool but acting like they are not
< 1343155457 676279 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Austol is clearly some medication
< 1343155468 97154 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brand name for buonapolyzan
< 1343155479 931819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Yo dawg, chaggr!� “Me chaggr? You chaggr, you just said 'Yo dawg'!�
< 1343155508 612620 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's "chagger"
< 1343155513 591415 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaggr is a site for posting people who need to chagger
< 1343155530 284841 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chagger.com is free; the opportunity is open
< 1343155544 332956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en-gb
< 1343155547 585855 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: en-gb
< 1343155548 885754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343155571 749076 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en-gb 20
< 1343155575 435512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: en-gb
< 1343155579 435488 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1343155583 344659 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1343155586 349693 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb
< 1343155591 653081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coonting
< 1343155598 183041 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot.
< 1343155601 101540 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coonting
< 1343155608 812945 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : toox sanami tible austol dun unier ellit shutzotheich herian eling impumo bungazy veneffer fida eccart buonapolyzan baadenking pell corcen cord resposed oratine kunk more chaggr
< 1343155617 848599 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, kunk is clearly some sort of bodily fluid
< 1343155618 662958 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 10
< 1343155623 282788 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :resposed is... almost a word
< 1343155623 914082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :arry abylosson tear hamma sae haul vening riggle fam fren
< 1343155635 326077 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rest + repose
< 1343155644 847335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono
< 1343155648 87152 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like disposed
< 1343155656 331190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oratine is clearly oral sex involving ovaltine
< 1343155664 212627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what "more" could be
< 1343155694 622320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o tempora o mores
< 1343155701 912465 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-99.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343155705 358415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-63.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343155707 111487 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343155708 166875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tear is an actual word.
< 1343155720 43178 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny
< 1343155723 182281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such an abylosson
< 1343155724 455927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever HackEgo's words is supposed to do o_O
< 1343155734 263517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 1
< 1343155739 629493 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :inde
< 1343155741 600075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 3
< 1343155743 776198 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 50
< 1343155746 481880 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interpret
< 1343155747 24955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vassani nojalollakunne ostamistänsä kahlavisikilot maksitovaamupaljaa automaitsevimpana tutteluaakkoamaalta ahneellaistumies leveämpisi hautovilla haustannelastammenensä aforimittava muottaviini munkeroiksesi toilleen tautteellistan humiin koettamani alailevissan mutojärkemilta valleen noustasi rastuvinämme auttaan syventuvampuilta
< 1343155747 258214 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :osta ofu drough
< 1343155757 18381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 3
< 1343155761 914494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tierungsrationszys schafte ooooo
< 1343155766 157170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1343155770 535895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo!
< 1343155774 903909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1343155779 625814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :händehn besitz cadichenhügerennahmenti dischemigungsorganie dart goeterialennenbild romethornehmentaltenringe hedrige suizialerbonde humen
< 1343155782 874685 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the funniest thing `words has ever produced
< 1343155785 594930 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1343155799 720156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :besitz und dart are real words.
< 1343155817 255198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 10
< 1343155819 364210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english 50
< 1343155821 913436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :beform cblichsgewaffi haftend ingebirgenen kinerungso arrictheil phle osenentcrationenzwängi konzeugführ wirdinatur
< 1343155822 114227 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english
< 1343155822 427341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besitz is obviously equivalent to the english 'besits'
< 1343155822 945981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suizialerbonde is clearly on hard times
< 1343155834 965413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haftend is also a real word :)
< 1343155837 15238 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english-1M 50
< 1343155839 826107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english-1m
< 1343155843 354736 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you're meant to interpret the other ones
< 1343155844 780065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 1M mean?
< 1343155847 317786 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier in an agglutinative language)
< 1343155849 549564 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one million
< 1343155849 997054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see.
< 1343155855 663409 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1343155861 267262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pollum akhald quotehgion cov sce virger umth zozing veracored fecreying fielle depper origg weymoy farge aflat hem olar wrhydroo couperup tak exta amen flementa mythm
< 1343155872 564992 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pollum
< 1343155873 218142 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mythm
< 1343155880 349762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depper sounds like destroying stuff.
< 1343155885 30836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schni schna cblichsgewaffi
< 1343155892 574570 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 50
< 1343155896 514619 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frikkvene ene rehorka gring piadentning tekirkne betakettets gruppene aborgesengen hjemmige veser ulykkelbevis bolitidelret solvestudenesoppesighet kretøyelstyr kjøttemperar teatets blyvendedunde lørdende kontria omskegaens krisligstfrier påstethets rådetssitusganiske skattlede
< 1343155912 111090 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tolke
< 1343155915 238557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --french 10
< 1343155920 919377 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :comprem tolorré rétre plarimasthugl ocumulai mera sexuale rémono eds kils
< 1343155922 630485 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me.
< 1343155929 225991 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :French? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me.
< 1343155930 60031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexuale!
< 1343155940 732576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I'm not convinced by "plarimasthugl"
< 1343155964 660214 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was that from
< 1343155966 58752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Norwegian? Hmm, that sounds like a made up language to me. <-- nah, looks fine to me
< 1343155971 199616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some silly bits though
< 1343155976 337712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --latin
< 1343155976 489194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, French
< 1343155979 989552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: latin
< 1343155982 582452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343156005 937993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "gruppene" is clearly nonsense
< 1343156024 739782 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1343156028 43122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about "rådetssitusganiske"?
< 1343156029 957948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsershi vervan nide free begli cort esfilk pectonlyfr bon nontile ago obsecum fcendo achener reggia fosteclick off panum line johnsgrui couve abdue cocke refen patzeroidate
< 1343156037 950840 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Vive le plarimasthugl! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1343156059 104886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perfectly normal bureaucratic term
< 1343156063 441015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's subsershi
< 1343156066 845544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, meaning?
< 1343156089 301595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gently idling in this channel, and suddenly the topic gets changed to "Vive le plarimasthugl!".
< 1343156107 710790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes and?
< 1343156115 464893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the special mushroom that town councils consume while in situ.
< 1343156119 626252 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plarimasthugl?
< 1343156121 448345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh okay
< 1343156130 896820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, read the 30 last lines or so
< 1343156151 755103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plarimasthugl just crashed the Java mental stack I was juggling with.
< 1343156155 458585 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343156175 734467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, how did you notice this if you were idling?
< 1343156176 220372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily isn't very good with french, you see
< 1343156211 316989 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the small-scale components of sershi.
< 1343156221 388122 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: multiple channels open, and  against my better judgment I checked this one.
< 1343156233 595411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :p
< 1343156248 16350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use judgment in this channel, it can cause brain damage
< 1343156252 655294 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago obsecum fcendo (latin)
< 1343156280 303532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quidquid latine obsecum sit, altum fcenditur
< 1343156317 354559 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1343156330 401282 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: refreshDungeonCell
< 1343156344 382822 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: plotCharWithColor
< 1343156372 955010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a dirty dungeon cell is just trouble
< 1343156421 158010 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check whether full screen "ticks" are done anywhere; plotCharWithColor might be bad for animation. Look into what termcast and so on do.
< 1343156452 264005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plotCharcoalBlack
< 1343156566 512498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, could you add a lot of dye to the charcoal
< 1343156570 442923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wasn't black any more
< 1343156638 990197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but how would you ignite it when it's full of dye
< 1343156657 311198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, inflammable dye obviously
< 1343156697 299180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be some sort of a dynamic dungeon, if it needs refreshing.
< 1343157047 719909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1343157463 914838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343157528 527566 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: displayLevel
< 1343157544 654485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: displayLoops, waitForAcknowledgement (research)
< 1343157593 67892 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also figure out wtf plotCharToBuffer is
< 1343157596 630448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you can somehow get internet on Famicom?
< 1343157622 556186 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note: commitDraws(), plotChar()
< 1343157624 519153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be difficult.
< 1343157714 408442 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :further notes: figure out whether platform/platformdependent.c is per-platform or not, if not look into plotChar()
< 1343157927 523685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why are you using irc as a source navigation history?
< 1343157954 28091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to remember another workspace number and nobody is saying anything interesting
< 1343159149 106336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I heard something about a modem.
< 1343159215 796177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45 < monochrom> and yes I hate basic and c use "=" for assignment. x=x+1, therefore 0=1?
< 1343159229 768692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody feel the need for creating a language where assignment is ==?
< 1343159238 108647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x==x+1
< 1343159280 568754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, syntax is boring.
< 1343159286 419779 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence x is infinity?
< 1343159325 652907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where assignment is done using the roots of equations?
< 1343159469 970537 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343159509 144397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where every program IS an equation.
< 1343159530 578248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y==5 asigns 5-y to x, and 5-x to y
< 1343159568 362079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :print x==5 prints iff if it prints 5
< 1343159574 159483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-if
< 1343159667 669446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hence x is infinity? <-- or -inf?
< 1343159672 179960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work too
< 1343159677 265428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infinite either way
< 1343159682 419067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343159722 969547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway pascal uses := for assignment, I don't remember what it uses for equals
< 1343159727 171695 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Enjoying a C,Haskell bashing in #haskell

< 1343159728 770696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain =, IIRC.
< 1343159734 908534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343159791 826889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no englisch word for unterjubeln o_O
< 1343159801 383943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean?
< 1343159813 845543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Scheme = is of course equality too.
< 1343159817 662012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a realistic post-nuclear war game. Not like fallout with it's mutants. But what it would actually be like
< 1343159835 451245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, like that Raymond Briggs "comic"?
< 1343159843 306476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't know, what is that?
< 1343159849 553362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the wind blows
< 1343159853 410502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that
< 1343159862 213444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about an elderly couple in a nuclear war
< 1343159862 437945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means to slip somebody something
< 1343159866 594782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that.
< 1343159869 303292 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They die of radiation poisoning
< 1343159899 317480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm, well I was thinking set maybe 200 years after a nuclear war, people coming out of bunkers and so on.
< 1343159904 495428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't do something
< 1343159912 124095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you convince other that I did
< 1343159921 143546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're unterjubeln me something
< 1343159922 211030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they do come out of bunkers, just after a weekend
< 1343159930 236943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that sounds like too early
< 1343159937 441710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, hence why they die
< 1343159940 475735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to palm sth. off on sb. [coll.] [to dispose of sth.]    
< 1343159940 627157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pin sth. on sb. [coll.] [to lay the blame]
< 1343159940 627337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to plant sth. on sb. [coll.] 
< 1343159940 627450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to slip sb. sth. [coll.] [secretively administer]
< 1343159940 627560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :to plant sth. on sb.
< 1343159944 501449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask one dictionary.
< 1343159946 744171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raymond Briggs is not a happy man
< 1343159946 973741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, right, so not very interesting
< 1343159956 111339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, would plants have reclaimed the affected areas after a couple of hundred years? Or would it all be dead dead dead?
< 1343159962 155856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also wrote the Snowman
< 1343159963 243840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if I go to the market and the clerk charges me a tomato which I didn't buy
< 1343159973 75297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no clue what that work of fiction is either
< 1343159978 844127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leo.org didn't have a translation.
< 1343159985 278621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Phantom_Hoover
< 1343159993 984871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually seen or read it
< 1343159998 233081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1343160035 249683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never read the Snowman nor do I know anything of Briggs beyond the name.
< 1343160043 468795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343160068 61734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the point remains, what would actually have happened in a situation like that of Fallout. You wouldn't have mutant two-headed cows for sure...
< 1343160088 620443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as realistic postnuclear stuff goes, there's always Threads if you're sure you have no suicidal tendencies.
< 1343160122 201582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I would like a video game made about a realistic postnuclear setting.
< 1343160123 692290 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the unrealistic nature of Fallout comes straight from the retrofuturistic 50s style.
< 1343160131 819715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I'm quite happy to be alive
< 1343160136 454469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed it does
< 1343160162 316314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is Threads a book or something found online or what?
< 1343160162 475014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although FWIW most of the mutants you see are actually the result of genetic engineering.
< 1343160171 175716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :British film from the 80s.
< 1343160173 186154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343160177 261962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on Google videos, I think.
< 1343160191 3626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google videos? Is that still around? You mean youtube right?
< 1343160196 599014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1343160197 767349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean their video store?
< 1343160204 614744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no, I mean Google videos.
< 1343160204 766041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is available in Sweden
< 1343160213 149320 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird artefact, yes.
< 1343160247 846327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google videos seems to be a video search engine nowdays...?
< 1343160322 130643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is in the process of being shutdown, and Threads seems to be on youtube
< 1343160491 798939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube, being a service which has a monopoly, capitalizes on it's monopoly by asking for mobile phone numbers during signups
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< 1343160535 283650 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it doesn't quite have a monopoly, other hosts are used at times.
< 1343160536 587536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that you can sometimes sign up without phone
< 1343160545 598522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay I read the plot summary on Wikipedia, ouch
< 1343160555 190985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I see what you mean about suicidal tendencies
< 1343160566 946611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just not as often used, largely because YouTube has a better service.
< 1343160568 252433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway what I'm more interested in is the more long term effects
< 1343160580 878791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roger
< 1343160581 759983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is vimeo iirc
< 1343160584 635339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other one
< 1343160585 897175 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... you mean Fallout, but realistic.
< 1343160590 353538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes
< 1343160591 540158 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343160596 952665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the Snowman is where "I'm walking through the air" comes from, iirc
< 1343160613 659601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah Vimeo seems to attract artsy people a lot for some reason.
< 1343160626 454395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ohhh, I thought you were talking about some post-apocalyptic thing.
< 1343160660 356142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, again, nothing I know of for games; A Canticle for Leibowitz is a book that fits that description.
< 1343160662 705541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh and blip.tv?
< 1343160718 608723 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what its niche is.
< 1343160738 751463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viddler's used a lot for Let's Plays, possibly because it allows longer videos so you don't have to segment as aggressively.
< 1343160751 868460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's When The Wind Blows
< 1343160771 294610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, My impression is that people who do movie reviews on youtube but get screwed over by copyright infringement due to showing a 10 second clip move it to blip.tv
< 1343160782 678730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sample size is rather small for that impression though
< 1343160807 564768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and youtube allows multi-hour videos since a year or two
< 1343160850 251968 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not to default accounts.
< 1343160859 133979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I thought it did that nowdays?
< 1343160864 246450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of account then?
< 1343160887 183322 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I dunno, but I've heard repeated references to people wanting to get some kind of upgrade to upload longer videos.
< 1343160900 767611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343160927 936263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=71673
< 1343160936 89849 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BtW which Fallout games have you played?
< 1343161173 190014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's plays are pretty cool
< 1343161208 610399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more entertaining than the 8bit game generation itself was
< 1343161274 575271 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're very, very subject to Sturgeon's Law though.
< 1343161323 645077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good ones, where the game is accompanied by insightful commentaries are fun; the ones that consist of someone playing through and waffling are not.
< 1343161337 599021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: youtube is far from a monopoly
< 1343161343 224938 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again you have no idea what you're talking about
< 1343161364 171216 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1343161366 77760 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I can see why you might call it a monopoly.
< 1343161380 937286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1343161385 768948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : BtW which Fallout games have you played? <-- 3 and new vegas, haven't finished either, NV was better than 3 by far. Should get around to play some of the original ones
< 1343161388 625521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has a majority market share, but far from 100%
< 1343161392 563523 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well YouTube is probably not a monopoly in the direct sense
< 1343161393 641513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my good deed for the day
< 1343161402 89607 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Microsoft didn't have 100% either and they were/(are?) considered a monopoly
< 1343161410 747029 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% is basically never going to happen
< 1343161413 266692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistancy in my faults
< 1343161414 461227 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything, I suspect
< 1343161423 31571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, it can in some situations.
< 1343161433 533956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC had a monopoly on broadcasting in the UK, for instance.
< 1343161462 876265 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are any number of other infrastructural monopolies where the cost of setting up make competition very thin on the ground.
< 1343161470 986352 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The BBC had a monopoly on broadcasting in the UK, for instance.
< 1343161478 121918 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK but government-sanctioned monopolies don't really count :P
< 1343161479 490245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Systembolaget has a monopoly for selling alcoholic drinks in Sweden (for drinks above a certain strength that is)
< 1343161484 225798 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infrastructure is a fair point, though.
< 1343161672 937292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is having a monopoly? BBC/something else?
< 1343161675 124901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% market share just depends on how you define the market!
< 1343161680 619796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like surjective functions.
< 1343161683 987977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343161696 8085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/368
< 1343161697 71471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uaaah
< 1343161699 127853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not.
< 1343161763 93404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's kvm?
< 1343161797 312027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, the thing that allows qemu to use hardware virtualisation is called kvm, might be a different kvm though
< 1343161800 750969 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with a Java backend.
< 1343161808 919255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point of course was that for the tags  x  that was the only comment i had
< 1343161815 162438 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a patch to very-old-GHC that adds one.
< 1343161870 462060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a haskell-98 backend, so you could compile your code using lots of GHC extensions into pure haskell-98 code
< 1343161890 395814 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would require major whole-program transformations and so on.
< 1343161911 834884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed
< 1343161918 333585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, or stupid output
< 1343161920 908169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work too
< 1343161930 928988 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1343161951 958277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, like compiling it into a state machine describing the program
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< 1343161962 429340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. e. nothing even similar to the original program
< 1343161975 961049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm saying it would require.
< 1343161979 755878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1343161980 985074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343161996 234458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1343162251 946028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1343162341 620281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1343162556 497759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the next Muse album sounds really OTT
< 1343162590 100677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more than "Come on and swear it's something biblical" or "It's time the fat cats had a heart attack"
< 1343162618 617044 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTT?
< 1343162624 451273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the top
< 1343162634 98869 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343162645 963904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard Survival?
< 1343162651 595476 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343162685 281137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYMMnHW85mc
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< 1343163781 224799 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343163901 181414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight
< 1343163908 582912 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343163977 162672 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1343164086 475357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they make a patch to compile Haskell codes to: MMIX, Z-machine, Glulx, Java, Z80, Famicom, brainfuck, CLC-INTERCAL, Csound, and hardware.
< 1343164495 327646 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware?
< 1343164515 303154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to build an electronic circuit
< 1343164523 745471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can
< 1343164541 493499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have very peculiar priorities
< 1343164672 239981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What priority?
< 1343164684 619264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like collecting cars built by bugatti(spelling probly wrong), ferrari, and mclaren, and buying art at auction
< 1343164701 594249 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343164711 368502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they could make a patch but they don't
< 1343164773 204599 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343164800 640814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think is best way in Haskell for representing compiling programs which are not Haskell programs but which can be constructed and manipulated using Haskell codes?
< 1343164817 186965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like, "what? put funds into the very same industry that made me rich? absurd! it defies the very rules of business"
< 1343164913 483378 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343164915 514840 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have an extremely simplistic view of hacking and viruses. A clever programmer can write a virus that will hop to just about any device you plug into an infected computer. So what happens is something connected to the internet gets infected. A physical device is then connected to the infected computer, becomes infected, is later removed and interfaced with a non-infected computer that isn't connected to the internet. Flash drive, hard drive, ipod
< 1343164915 665907 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, whatever."
< 1343164919 869018 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mac OSX and Linux don't automatically run scripts when you plug in a thumb drive. Only Windows does that."
< 1343164923 78909 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That functionality is not even remotely required for a virus to work as I described."
< 1343164925 938733 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How is a virus executed from a thumbdrive without use of something like autorun? If functionality such as autorun is not required how is this done?"
< 1343164929 785256 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because all the files on the drive are already infected by the computer they came from. If you transfer any to the computer then the virus is on the computer."
< 1343164937 677134 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this moron is highly upvoted btw
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< 1343164946 703968 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which moron
< 1343164950 978677 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see two
< 1343164958 459593 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they all the same person
< 1343164961 717109 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it alternates
< 1343164970 803136 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is the moron; the other ones are actually separate people each time but that's irrelevant
< 1343164990 214475 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one(s) is (are) not dumb enough to call a moron
< 1343165003 419170 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather not sure enough of themselves
< 1343165100 291821 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343165171 473662 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I suppose hypothetically a sufficiently clever hacker could know of a buffer overflow in the kernel's filesystem code. ... But this moron didn't say anything of the sort.
< 1343165304 609662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virus could also be made from the hardware instead of software, if a USB memory is designed to corrupt files automatically or other things can also be done like that
< 1343165485 121509 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1343165489 860362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said goodnight ages ago
< 1343165490 873457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343165564 723198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could even send keyboard/mouse commands
< 1343165648 843519 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343165658 502234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my os can be booted as a multiboot image using qemu -kernel now
< 1343165971 151019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even do this: They make a USB computer keyboard that records everything typed in its internal memory. It has a three year warranty. However, it is designed to break in two years. When the customer returns it under warranty, they can spy on everything the user typed.
< 1343165993 108333 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: isvyour os available anywhere?
< 1343166057 481186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: probably, but it's hardly useful for anything :)
< 1343166065 278594 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343166066 934112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would help more if there was a law that they had to upgrade their old keyboards
< 1343166112 896750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know countermeasures against many of these things. To prevent a USB memory from sending keyboard/mouse command without your permission, you can fix the kernel to not accept a USB keyboard/mouse if there already is one connected.
< 1343166126 390518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that includes PS/2 keyboard/mouse too)
< 1343166184 228935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some level your data isn't the most private thing, but rather, the identity of the user of the data
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< 1343166189 626030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the keyboard break under warranty, well, if you suspect that then open it to fix it by yourself, or break it into too many pieces, or something
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< 1343166355 474319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i must assume that my biometric data gets collected whenever i sign a form using a stylus
< 1343166379 515078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is such a law you have to upgrade, then destroy your old one and build a new one yourself
< 1343166399 208236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, it is possible, but it may or may not be true. Or maybe true in some cases only.
< 1343166437 659004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could make signatures more reliable anyway
< 1343166549 453605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case its more and more common to sign via stylus
< 1343166574 621066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it could make it more reliable.
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< 1343166649 436082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343166705 728025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my signature tends to be just a scribble.. lacking real consistency..
< 1343166713 650158 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that argument seems somehow unconvincing
< 1343166721 735914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i depend on the biometrics for it to have any meaning at all
< 1343166773 380130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343166780 271334 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the only way that would remotely have a chance of working is if it differs significantly from your normal signature.
< 1343166800 227199 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343166808 402782 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if you always do that, it means it will look the same as all the other signatures
< 1343166809 947736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this always happens when zzo38 and itidus21 chat :P
< 1343166811 521557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sign things in Japanese usually
< 1343166843 437993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1343166981 198670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both English and Japanese often
< 1343166992 467647 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesod is very overbearing.
< 1343167003 833515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am under threat I will omit the Japanese
< 1343167006 518892 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to do something differently from the default? GOOD LUCK.
< 1343167191 114663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says you didn't just omit the Japanese to sneak your way out?
< 1343167244 139987 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8
< 1343167252 528321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is to have a specific signature for every contract.
< 1343167264 120365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also prevents somebody from faking your signature
< 1343167273 57793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he doesn't know what your next signature looks like
< 1343167287 27190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I put the dots I explained for
< 1343167296 18834 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343167299 61155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :853)  But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever
< 1343167304 888717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, that probably doesn't hold in court :D
< 1343167346 508825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, but it is worth a try if there is some kind of threat
< 1343167376 384089 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how often are you threatened to sign things
< 1343167379 449127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best part is
< 1343167383 300968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely
< 1343167386 292755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to fullfil the contract.
< 1343167393 568966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1343167399 381736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't prove that it is your signature if they have nothing to compare it.
< 1343167437 216121 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: has it ever happened :P
< 1343167446 581650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just once
< 1343167465 338255 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than I have
< 1343167474 864586 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did google groups remove the old interface
< 1343167476 66613 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's annoying
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< 1343167543 638678 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the new one doesn't work with links
< 1343167544 672866 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343167545 35685 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Changing host
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< 1343167680 531038 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti i like how your hostname gets worse when you identify
< 1343167680 917321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343167793 594966 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343167817 672568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how his connection is oscillating.
< 1343167858 494781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so spirity is kallisti?
< 1343167877 52497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest Do you have the source of HELP online available somewhere?
< 1343167877 502090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343167888 575562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes
< 1343167889 61392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343167927 300745 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity is a better nick than kallisti btw
< 1343167935 832099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agre
< 1343167984 384340 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you using kallisti
< 1343167992 185643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1343167998 283291 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards compatability
< 1343168003 450629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with existing people
< 1343168010 554015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll probably change it soon
< 1343168063 979845 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: btw is there anything new at spirity.org?
< 1343168068 206642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, plarimasthugl
< 1343168097 445941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I have a completely empty gitweb page for privately hosted git repos.
< 1343168106 348855 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343168139 6093 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gitweb sucks btw
< 1343168143 531219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually there will be a  tabletop game frontend for IRC-based tabletop gaming.
< 1343168147 829367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: it's... functional
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< 1343168243 256136 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably just pay for a private github account if i wanted private repos
< 1343168292 718244 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343168298 424056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: that's what I was doing.
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< 1343168313 908061 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a dedicated server allows me to do other things. might as well save so money by hosting my own.
< 1343168333 454554 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take that perspective: have fun configuring qmail/postfix/...
< 1343168352 772351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got postfix set up
< 1343168367 230655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it.... forwards specific addresses to gmail.
< 1343168368 820701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1343168393 147246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes postfix is weird to configure.
< 1343168396 904378 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use google apps
< 1343168413 917625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that also cost money?
< 1343168431 222356 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343168432 815736 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html
< 1343168458 153611 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some annoying issues with google apps accounts sometimes getting older version of google products or not being able to use google+ and stuff i think though, so you'll want to keep a gmail account lying around
< 1343168471 248084 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that stuff got fixed though
< 1343168471 636151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2
< 1343168485 38600 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently has something like 6 email addresses, for absolutely no good reason.

< 1343168492 276556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use G+ nowadays, but i don’t think you can use Youtube yet.
< 1343168506 507439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I wouldn't use gmail at all
< 1343168525 300328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of my "prepare for incoming google takeover of the world" plan.
< 1343168547 532616 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. what?
< 1343168549 58248 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if free google apps gives you less space than gmail
< 1343168554 820244 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is marketed as 10 gigs
< 1343168563 379533 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gmail is 10271.676317 gigs-and-counting-at-a-stupidly-slow-rate-by-now
< 1343168583 327621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: I don't like the stance Google has taken since their privacy policy change.
< 1343168615 481514 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 gigs? Wasn't it 5 gigs just recently
< 1343168623 721167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partially why I stopped using chrome in favor of firefox.
< 1343168639 562604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still have a google account fo gmail and youtube..
< 1343168646 292181 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what other email addresses you have?
< 1343168677 501086 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it is a bit pointless to take a stand on chrome since all its options to talk to google are disableable
< 1343168692 498676 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is also open source (well, chromium, but same thing)
< 1343168693 442492 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since firefox is awful
< 1343168702 522741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: that's probably true, but then I started liking firefox so it worked out regardless.
< 1343168716 857285 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, does that include disabling autoupdates?
< 1343168732 493206 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: how is firefox awful? well XUL but what else?
< 1343168748 738743 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: chromium doesn't autoupdate
< 1343168753 153176 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.229.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: everything
< 1343168754 240229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't attempt to argue that firefox is /better/ at /everything/, but it has some things going for it. chrome has some things going for it as well (particularly it's a bit faster with V8 and all)
< 1343168821 633683 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stay at my far away corner with links2, netsurf and hv3
< 1343168844 982187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, firefox has privacy extensions that aren't offered on google yet.
< 1343168875 513099 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343168877 481695 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plugin achitecture was better on ff last tine I checked
< 1343168889 552509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has 3 different extensions for blocking advertising agency trackers.

< 1343168924 389709 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also firefox was in version 11 last time I checked
< 1343168932 674916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to see how many marketing agencies are attempting to monitor your internet usage.
< 1343168942 484335 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version is it on now by the way?
< 1343168955 796006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest stable release is 14
< 1343168978 197272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version number is completely arbitrary. as of late they've started increment the major version almost every month.
< 1343168981 430234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incrementing
< 1343168993 38790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's once every six weeks.
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< 1343168997 281780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1343168999 668791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a policy about it.
< 1343169051 342774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's some kind of a rolling scheme thing with the n+1, n+2 and maybe even n+3 (where n is current stable) having different terms for them, though I've forgotten about that. So they probably have a Firefox 17 build already existing.
< 1343169056 183614 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so ESR is 10, right
< 1343169277 677284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar has a calendar, and it indeed was so that Firefox 17 is "central" now (while 16 is "aurora" and 15 is "beta"). They'll hit stable 18 (and "central" 21) at around the year's end.
< 1343169330 45661 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343169371 101087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And three digits in less than a decade.)
< 1343169390 479148 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.67 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343169413 369969 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be getting back to using tenfourfox in few weeks. their stable is firefox ESR and their unstable is firefox stable
< 1343169515 490519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every seventh Firefox (so 17, 24, ...) is an ESR release, apparently.
< 1343169605 871052 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6->10->17->24->31
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< 1343174942 138695 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo brothers
< 1343174948 152808 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anybody here?
< 1343174954 376446 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alarm
< 1343175025 351836 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sleep ?
< 1343175043 261723 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what only in russian night now
< 1343175048 377676 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*russia
< 1343175079 986642 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343175086 85713 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat, hi
< 1343175100 680931 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat, you hacker?
< 1343175116 533824 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and not really.
< 1343175147 646243 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. it bad
< 1343175555 314533 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1343177613 294644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg russian Sgeo!!!!!!!
< 1343177711 82647 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could use some more patience…
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< 1343179653 592151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's a doctor, he could use some patients?
< 1343179665 436085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah pay shuns
< 1343179861 169626 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343183250 863208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343183410 68257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, monqy
< 1343183426 824339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian monqy?
< 1343183464 324128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's russian monqy
< 1343183549 428432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :обезь�на with some phonetic changes?
< 1343183575 895516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "monqy inside another "
< 1343183576 871795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "monqy inside another monqy inside another monqy inside another monqy insid...
< 1343183640 638122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1343183640 962927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 20 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343183673 711933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, monqy massages you
< 1343183684 455501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an in soviet russia joke
< 1343183685 910132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny shachaf
< 1343183689 515323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you possibly get the material
< 1343183690 773114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i learn
< 1343183711 807962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's very complicated
< 1343183748 916463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be at least 23 dyalmunkts tall to make soviet russia jokes
< 1343183772 425742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 dyalmunkts = 1 year
< 1343183886 292713 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I could not stop laughing when I wrote “vive le plarimasthugl�, and there it is again X-D
< 1343184116 224227 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343184258 413167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what does it mean?
< 1343184277 857218 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It was a word that `words thought looked French.
< 1343184502 970090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have a plarimasthugl idea of french
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< 1343186342 371277 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/fiction/LensCap.html I wrote a short story.
< 1343186373 179256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not mention plarimasthugl
< 1343186382 233222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragically, no.
< 1343187266 495169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343187364 69440 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 NICK :Mdoze
< 1343187369 88255 :Mdoze!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 NICK :MDoze
< 1343187852 828868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it reminds me of this: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1074
< 1343188131 606268 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343188288 889313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1343188290 27024 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1343188292 879749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhh kay.
< 1343188614 79305 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover.... dangit
< 1343188621 506070 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to ask him when Red Dwarf starts to suck
< 1343188695 992633 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll know.
< 1343189228 246022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://codu.org/fiction/LensCap.html I wrote a short story.
< 1343189283 893718 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: K. But first, ponies.
< 1343189301 489355 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good, you've got your priorities straight.
< 1343189323 209993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is IRCing while watching, so.

< 1343189553 325296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Also, don't forget to put Ponies in your Interwebs ( http://websplat.bitbucket.org/ )
< 1343189568 577317 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd the extra Kryten head come from?
< 1343190215 896816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*
< 1343190224 554340 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1343190224 900994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By your powers combined I am Captain Planet. Again.
< 1343190298 634904 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to tell me something?
< 1343190305 646256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, more Gregor
< 1343190320 813110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, #esoteric!
< 1343190329 102452 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Why, are you up to the Season 2 opening or something?
< 1343190333 224056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes.
< 1343190338 576994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1343190339 67114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a language that can evaluate algorithms as decribed in this? http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5060147.PN.&OS=PN/5060147&RS=PN/5060147
< 1343190339 327199 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Specifically, just finished.
< 1343190469 418348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Just wait for the S2 finale ;)
< 1343190717 516535 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O I know a girl with a name in that story
< 1343190720 497107 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343191034 188590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ?
< 1343191059 896327 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, .
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< 1343192065 871733 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does websplat ponies now?
< 1343192086 285653 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1343192096 930567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrray!
< 1343192153 683550 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343192299 115363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come dead with two hearts left?
< 1343192325 745815 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you fall off the bottom of the screen, you die automatically.
< 1343192329 755791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, shouldn't happen.
< 1343192407 279404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did graphix?
< 1343192421 221195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stole them from Adventure Ponies, so Hasbro.
< 1343192447 645973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does applejack's tree accomplish
< 1343192456 500219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can climb it.
< 1343192512 519582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkie appears to be overpowered
< 1343192557 866885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not intended to be balanced, it's one-player.
< 1343192591 759351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should get more points for winning with the weaker ponies
< 1343192605 175531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ponyswitcher button to change at any time
< 1343192608 385058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reset button
< 1343192639 641407 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reset is nigh-on impossible, though for stupid reasons. Ponyswitching just isn't built into the system.
< 1343192691 832659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the points don't matter ;)
< 1343192716 657537 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I now intend to make a ponified web based version of Worms, which will be multiplayer and balanced. Need time and graphical assets.
< 1343192721 556296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind the ponies game
< 1343192728 265188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a web page version of Worms
< 1343192733 529012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343192757 881367 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has to not JUST be Worms.
< 1343192764 587425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think yo me and wryen are thinking identically
< 1343192775 58453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343192775 510951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote that message before seeingyour message about Worms
< 1343192785 817184 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwryen said antigravity pony was like worms
< 1343192824 265613 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is wryen… a person?
< 1343192831 814710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343192841 928100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1343192843 70581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently playing websplat with asscannon pony
< 1343192868 706551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once played a color GameBoy game which is like breakout, but has both horizontal and vertical paddles, and color graphics, sound effects, all in only 1K ROM. The instructions say it even has a hidden movie.
< 1343192882 747967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind antigrav pony
< 1343192889 165246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :asscannon pony is the most powerful
< 1343192895 818960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhh kay, so I'm goin' to sleep, but yeah, Worms at some point X-D
< 1343192922 576200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the reddit thread for this
< 1343192950 856015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smallest (and only) GameBoy game I made is 3K, but it is monochrome and has no sound effects, and has 256 levels in total so most of the ROM space is taken up by the level data.
< 1343192961 573041 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/wrz8a/ponies_in_your_interwebs_ponies_on_any_web_page/
< 1343192966 74279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a clone of StroQ but not ll the same levels)
< 1343193355 523035 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have to know if this is a permanent cast change
< 1343193394 960568 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343193452 725923 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ?
< 1343193473 46395 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In season 7
< 1343193482 988361 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just watch the next episode
< 1343193568 476109 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're *past* where it sucks
< 1343193613 512738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you do if you are the President of United States? (even if you do not live in United States)
< 1343193648 741161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thing I would do is try to figure out why this happen, especially since I am Canadian.
< 1343193656 984595 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Poorly. I have no tolerance for bullshit.
< 1343193973 502524 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the laugh track?
< 1343194349 980687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the Gregorian calendar is difficult to learn, has no sync with the moon, days of week do not stay in sync with days of the month, and does not accurately track the equinoxes and solstices? I think at least the last three is correct, although the third (about days of week) I think is not important and is perhaps better the way it is anyways.
< 1343194991 486072 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I feel we should change the Earth's orbit so we can have decimal time.
< 1343195059 333361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we shouldn't mix up the solar system like that.
< 1343195082 971965 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, if we're going to mix up the *solar system* I have a much better idea.
< 1343195095 506842 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it's Freeman Dyson's idea.
< 1343195123 137972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I would do if being President of United States: ...
< 1343195138 71835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I would wonder what happened and how I got there especially since I am Canadian. I would probably just make my own breakfast. I would ensure my own personal money is kept separate from the government's money. I would try to abolish the DMCA and overturn some court cases. I would try to abolish the patent office. ...
< 1343195146 832472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to make more so the government is not so secret from others. I would try to make it illegal to bribe the government. I would ask people to vote whether they want me as President of the United States, and what policies they want, so that we can have proper democracy.
< 1343195147 276514 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343195257 110257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Freeman Dyson's idea to do what, specifically?
< 1343195333 334871 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Dyson sphere.
< 1343195389 563111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I looked it up on Wikipedia.
< 1343196289 792170 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why would you need to change the orbit to have decimal time?
< 1343196305 350194 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: So you could have a round number of days in a solar year!
< 1343196307 24637 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe so you'd have some units equal in old and new time, but I don't quite see how it would work
< 1343196307 695303 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1343196330 141373 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant as in unit x is 10 unit y etc
< 1343196345 992715 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, non-integer days in a year would still break that
< 1343196455 69060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is much of a problem. You can still use units such as dekaseconds and kiloseconds and so on if you like to do so. To track moon, solstices, and equinoxes, you can use a horoscope (you can also view the moon with a telescope, although you would use an ephemeris if you wanted to calculate ahead of time).
< 1343196461 696430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still shouldn't mix up the solar system.
< 1343196494 789250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least we do now have Gregorian calendar instead of the older Julian calendar; John Dee also wanted to have the Gregorian calendar despite hating the Pope.
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< 1343196773 465922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use UNIX timestamps or Julian day numbers.
< 1343196871 526936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use Planck times......
< 1343196915 45259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Finally! I proved the Twin Prime conjecture! The proof is *dies suddenly*
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< 1343198975 885293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2004/12/15/313250.aspx
< 1343198988 443654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime kmc
< 1343198989 164074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for kmc is Wed Jul 25 02:50:37 2012
< 1343198991 545191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that's wrong.
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< 1343201626 424666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime mroman
< 1343201629 748399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for mroman is Wed Jul 25 09:33:46 2012
< 1343201667 726136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime lambdabot
< 1343201668 108712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
< 1343201673 697869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes!
< 1343201956 75377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Your local time should obviously be that Swatch Internet Time.
< 1343201960 71253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "beat time".
< 1343202015 47488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now @361 .beats, I believe.
< 1343202063 766096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Internet because it's got @s and .s in it.
< 1343202235 206349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have (in C++) a templated function which turns into the exact same code for two different instantiations, should I expect g++ to combine the generated code for them?
< 1343202334 638605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect that, but I guess miracles can always happen.
< 1343202425 412816 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-236.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: gcc doesn't even merge identical jump tables.
< 1343202476 546368 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343202481 13984 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343202481 165231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343202514 675468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft's compiler apparently does it. :-(
< 1343202549 609387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam quote of the day: "You must be very discrete in the area of confidentiality".
< 1343202552 715166 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'll put it online somewhere later today ;)
< 1343202570 322594 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(github probably)
< 1343202780 415300 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343203058 614777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah continuous confidentiality just won't do
< 1343203112 419646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ministry of Silly Walks approves. http://gizmodo.com/5928737/this-must-be-the-stupidest-way-to-fire-one-of-the-worlds-deadliest-cannons
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< 1343203630 531479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi?q={qu+in+e.}
< 1343203636 451174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with fancy highlighting :)
< 1343203815 629135 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343203826 260637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi?q={%27c+5.6+7+%22HELLO%22}
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< 1343204398 759382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343205057 639818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Const
< 1343205058 574845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> *
< 1343205063 6252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (:<)
< 1343205064 106114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `:<'
< 1343205069 294029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Cofree
< 1343205070 373797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `Cofree'
< 1343205074 933060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
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< 1343206526 24427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D (:o)
< 1343206533 232851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::?
< 1343206657 122845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:<)
< 1343206658 263392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `:<'
< 1343206662 285792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hayoo (:<)
< 1343206662 437003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1343206681 570936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (:<)
< 1343206681 930545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence (:<) :: a -> Seq a -> ViewL a
< 1343206703 426779 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the :< I am looking for
< 1343206730 873448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they all say
< 1343206745 288083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage free
< 1343206745 439182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/free
< 1343206759 109978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad.Free
< 1343206762 453859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cofree
< 1343206774 780208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if lambdabot had it
< 1343206945 608892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1343206964 667243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cookbook is finished :)
< 1343206969 990580 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1343206971 262461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not finnished this time.
< 1343207157 326503 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343207168 151491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/burlesque/cookbook/
< 1343207195 114344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Content could be satiric.
< 1343207238 913089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the right englisch word for that is.
< 1343207248 297399 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Typo: "stock" instead of "stack"
< 1343207279 95239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops :D. Thanks.
< 1343207396 703845 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: typo "list of value" should probably be "list of values" (in Understanding Blocks)
< 1343207403 881034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343207408 262099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is "Mikee" a finnish first name
< 1343207411 262308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you may also answer
< 1343207442 556510 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not as far as I know.
< 1343207452 30216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1343207455 822327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i did not solicit your response
< 1343207458 671580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you are neither fizzie nor oklopol!
< 1343207473 800528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i will accept it anyway
< 1343207479 144928 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just making a comment, it was not intended as a replacement for fizzie/oklopol
< 1343207503 824093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the alleged Mikee points me to http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Mikee
< 1343207523 344455 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The statistics are descriptive
< 1343207526 138658 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I must go now
< 1343207528 337468 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->
< 1343207568 223401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he claims it is short for mikael
< 1343207594 687112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a type in "compares pops". Fixed that.
< 1343207618 270249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typo
< 1343207624 511949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make typos in spelling typo :(
< 1343207637 993356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typo in the typo would make a great movie title.
< 1343207693 430773 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what other features do you plan on adding?
< 1343207872 105189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :More builtins
< 1343207877 284453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially string manipulation
< 1343207881 392574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and golfing stuff :)
< 1343207908 743594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll try to get my language accepted for golf.shinh.org :)
< 1343208027 6294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1343208064 676442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not planning on adding actual features
< 1343208080 318959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the mistake I did with Stlang.
< 1343208091 45092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has useless features like OOP and stuff ;)
< 1343208102 31541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, useless. Depends of course.
< 1343208113 675039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it made the language bloat :)
< 1343208155 884666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some colleagues of me dared me to add OOP in stlang :D
< 1343208320 79360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/66953/golfscript-in-codegolf-on-so-cheating-or-not :D:D:D
< 1343208332 554499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think, that Golfscript is unuseful, and it's not a language at all."
< 1343208343 672226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a kind of Ruby library (proof - http://www.golfscript.com/golfscript/golfscript.rb),"
< 1343208348 331670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, HE proof!
< 1343208387 286294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343208410 819269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I'm too late.
< 1343208419 989444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott hates me :(
< 1343208428 695608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can search for Finnish given-name statistics at http://verkkopalvelu.vrk.fi/Nimipalvelu/default.asp?L=3
< 1343208474 770476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of anyone called Mikee, though there are very many Mikas and Mikaels.
< 1343208522 369212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some Miikas and Miikkas.
< 1343208570 379876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343208579 928138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hear it was short for Mikael.
< 1343208583 144775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't hate people.
< 1343208586 31432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure some Mikael could have a nickname "Mikee", even though it sounds pretty weird.
< 1343208609 666019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has it as an official name according to the gummint, though.
< 1343208627 209966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think while I'm waiting to get my license renewed today, I'll finish up my new esolang interpreter.
< 1343208631 128790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and write up a spec.
< 1343208632 11823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mikke" is a name that exists, also.
< 1343208643 647723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe read a book.
< 1343208645 485092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1343208658 956809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 360s Mikkes listed in the Registry.
< 1343208668 465945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the System.
< 1343208673 804553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Population Information System.
< 1343208687 268296 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343208782 392042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may or may not have taken the concept of dupdog and modified it to the point that it's turing complete, without feeling really cheap.
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< 1343210845 796974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya hahahahah
< 1343210857 617059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343210878 181088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- possibly over excited about dupdog?
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< 1343211833 847727 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, expanding on what I have previously written
< 1343211856 473564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many monads can be made using the base monad Foo a b c = Foo (a -> b)
< 1343211867 887729 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const a = Foo () a
< 1343211874 914294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343211877 758368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty = Foo () ()
< 1343211883 599304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foo needs a better name)
< 1343211913 505860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, it's stupid)
< 1343212293 338798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is Foo?
< 1343212307 460966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Foo a b c = Foo (a -> b)
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< 1343213467 364555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i like math a little bit. it's always pleasant to see how things can be more fully understood by trying to approach them more mathematically
< 1343213698 702684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh..
< 1343213717 360775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i will say the part that will get people fuming
< 1343213745 212912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i often wonder what is it which someone like gauss does so well exactly
< 1343213794 315501 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :his brains I think
< 1343213806 975204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's not something you can acquire at a gym, and it's something which money will only slightly help until a threshhold
< 1343213829 883249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Isn't that the definition of Void?
< 1343213847 175086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of Void is "data Void", I think
< 1343213871 459614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm no @() ()
< 1343213881 608133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the sake of consistency, i mean that after some arbitrary figure such as $500,000 then any more money won't really aid in a persons education
< 1343213884 279255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And it's data Void = Void Void
< 1343213888 786538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1343213895 593592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That defeats the point of Void
< 1343213898 676899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "newtype Void = Void Void"
< 1343213898 828425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Void !Void
< 1343213905 51921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equivalent to "data Void" in haskell 2010
< 1343213910 748301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the latter is not possible in haskell 98
< 1343213939 511445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of Void is it has zero possible values.
< 1343213941 795245 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not simply a matter of having a powerful memory, or is it? exactly how far one can get on the strength of memory alone is unclear to me
< 1343213949 420650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo () () a has one possible value
< 1343213952 389213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo id
< 1343213972 930163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i personally don't believe that memory, no matter how powerful can make you gauss
< 1343214135 516296 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe it's just genetics? However, I'm not sure whether his brains have a different physical structure.
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< 1343214250 101013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Well, there's the fact that they work with positrons...
< 1343214270 588515 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but is that the reason?
< 1343214282 488559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a different physical structure, at least.
< 1343214288 304904 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ititdus21: I don't think the speed at which you can remember / calculate things is that important.
< 1343214303 972382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least according to the so-called "Positronic Gauss" theory.)
< 1343214317 242818 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the speed at which you can connect to things with each other.
< 1343214350 659041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343214365 958952 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why asimov decided that the brains would have to be Positronic too
< 1343214400 614913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picnic time, bye
< 1343214402 343873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343214418 10453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, ask elliott
< 1343214444 559674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I think officially because it sounded more sci-fi. (At least his intro to one of the short story collections said as much.)
< 1343214534 735709 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: # something (\d+) := $1 something
< 1343214534 886975 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :something 10
< 1343214547 245906 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that becomes 10 something)
< 1343214568 133166 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll make a git after I had lunch)
< 1343214655 177529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now i'm getting really offensive) ok put another way what i am asking is, whether math is like a million monkeys typing, and occasionally one of them has reams of breakthroughs and things named after him/her
< 1343214685 919320 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1343214762 820141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just doesn't make sense since it implies the monkey didn't merely get lucky like a lottery winner
< 1343214795 432732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather like all the lottery winners had eventually won the jackpot, say > 5 times in their life
< 1343214849 667482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like somehow they are defying any sort of odds
< 1343214947 618312 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that the system can't handle too many such people?
< 1343215095 698231 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there is a decreasing amount of things to discover, and an increasing number of people working to discover them
< 1343215356 167359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's the speed at which you can connect to things with each other. -- is this related to art?
< 1343215567 418202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that constraining connections to those where a logical connection is clear can be a problem
< 1343215638 794710 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i'm wacked out of my mind
< 1343215640 41816 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Cool.
< 1343216022 366585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"bye, have a beautiful time"
< 1343216527 576722 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1343216988 291170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Changing host
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< 1343217817 715907 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe. Although there are many forms of art (I think thinking can be an art, it doesn't have to be manual)
< 1343217873 68285 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he left
< 1343218106 595480 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished season 7
< 1343218201 813971 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1343218600 72219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343218691 568866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if i have a repeating sequence say 56777..., what happens if i try to say 1234(56777...)(56777...)(56777...)...
< 1343218699 733067 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343218833 225234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there is no simple answer to this that i would need to know
< 1343218859 782532 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1343218867 86078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a generalization of, 12333...4
< 1343218899 402519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is missing the whole point of the ...
< 1343219237 379977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343219610 710593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened?
< 1343219621 261179 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 started talking
< 1343219625 730996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1343219639 508680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately he stopped
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< 1343222039 806993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Deewiant: Hey, what's a simple way to set up an FD (from a BSD socket later but a file now) with non-blocking reads?
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< 1343222276 296791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :long flags = fcntl(fd, F_GETFL); fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, flags | O_NONBLOCK); or some-such, maybe.
< 1343222318 805201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :/
< 1343222321 653867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about on, uh, Windows?
< 1343222333 280363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Isn't there a way to open a file in non-blocking mode?)
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< 1343222362 838200 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: https://github.com/AnotherTest/HELP
< 1343222369 302101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that was the "turn it on post-creation" approach. You can | O_NONBLOCK to the second argument of open(2), too.
< 1343222385 717041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure about Windows, though.
< 1343222400 37080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks.
< 1343222409 61502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait for Deewiant for Windows since didn't he do mcmap's Windows socket stuff?
< 1343222414 384681 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: link with libboost_regex and -std=c++11
< 1343222601 924884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unsigned long yes = 1; ioctlsocket(s, FIONBIO, &yes); is what you'd have done in some winsock versions, but that place is a bit of a mess. (I don't think sockets and files are quite so interchangeable in Windows.)
< 1343222677 347458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK, this should be, uh.
< 1343222680 839804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy? I... guess.
< 1343222701 918283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to infallible SO, before POSIX standardized fcntl O_NONBLOCK, there used to be ioctl FIONBIO and fcntl O_NDELAY to do the same thing, with all kinds of amusing incompatibilities and discrepancies between them.
< 1343222703 802887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (And is there a way to figure out "reading from this file wouldn't block" without actually reading from it?)
< 1343222744 37359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can of course poll/select it, if you mean the "figure out for the very next read call" way.
< 1343222749 226783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a select for sockets in winsock.
< 1343222772 74630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course Windows-API ways to do it too, presumably.
< 1343222785 264385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, well. I guess poll/select would work.
< 1343222789 448757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So heavyweight for a simple check though.
< 1343222814 33582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there was a poll1 or such.
< 1343222925 762234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an fcntl to ask for the number of bytes readable
< 1343222926 889006 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343222938 271007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was an ioctl
< 1343222979 481040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more awful. :(
< 1343222987 477630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Socket APIs will return WSA errnos, rather than the standard ones (e.g. WSAEWOULDBLOCK, although Windows also has EWOULDBLOCK). Except when they don't. Refer to MSDN." Lovable.
< 1343223111 775491 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would've been better off not even trying to emulate those unix apis
< 1343223151 664702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it just makes people go all "they're *so* close I think if I squeeze a bit I can just use the same code".
< 1343223168 354627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you fix this codebase?
< 1343223171 701081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses event polling and oh.
< 1343223215 751110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I wouldn't count on FIONREAD to (a) work on Windows' socket-ioctl-alike or (b) work on all kinds of fds in general, anyway.
< 1343223266 829139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, what do I know: ioctlsocket in fact does do FIONREAD.
< 1343223313 275285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Might still be better with a select.)
< 1343223355 260292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can just use read directly into a global buffer. Ugh. Ugh. UGH.
< 1343223451 424329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh, it's SO HOT.
< 1343223483 191052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Us nordics should say out of these kinds of southern desert countries such as e.g. Belgium.
< 1343223490 677647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like 28 Celsoids.
< 1343223535 225130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about degrees here.
< 1343223536 348142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF are you talking about, the average summer high in Helsinki is like 22 degrees.
< 1343223549 749312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, and this is like six more.
< 1343223552 367816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU LIVE
< 1343223567 372952 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The high today in this town is 37C.
< 1343223583 725933 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, are you a magma being
< 1343223614 452646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually for the previous three weeks it's been around 12-18 degrees and mostly rainy here, it's just this particular week; and to be honest, there's often a single hot week in a Finnish summer too.)
< 1343223663 149044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-digit temperatures that start with 3 (let alone 4) are scary.
< 1343223667 630367 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all sit in your saunas eagerly awaiting the Hot Week
< 1343223682 896934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we just sit around complaining.
< 1343223692 689252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, it's been such a miserable summer."
< 1343223696 776082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-digit temperatures that start with 3!? Isn't that like above the melting point of humans?
< 1343223697 82973 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you aren't british
< 1343223709 91316 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but not magma beings.
< 1343223725 681200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their melting point is well into the high 50s.
< 1343223730 373906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :south europeans are magma beings
< 1343223756 251395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does anyone know a tool to find differences between sets of files? With that I mean if I have two sets of files (A and B) each containing several files with some differences I want to find the set of differences such that the difference is not a difference of the files within set A or B but only between them
< 1343223771 209237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the files are binary files, so standard diff and such are pretty useless
< 1343223788 91403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is currently +49 degrees Celsius in Kut, Irak.
< 1343223820 801899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (Finnish) weather site I use has this handy "hot and cold spots around the world" info-box.
< 1343223823 818476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like +27 C here, it is terrible
< 1343223832 189698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can be all "I'm glad I'm not there".
< 1343223916 618663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, does anyone know a good way to do that sort of comparison?
< 1343223925 713615 :MDoze!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 NICK :MDude
< 1343223981 630235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure what the question is, but maybe you want to e.g. take the md5sum of each file and compare the sets of sums of the sets of files
< 1343224010 592207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean "I'm not sure what the question is, but maybe you want to e.g. google it"
< 1343224021 977321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what you wanted either. All differences between A1-B1, A1-B2, A1-B3, ..., A1-Bm, A2-B1, A2-B2, ..., An-B1, ..., An-Bm where |A|=n and |B|=m? 
< 1343224044 96219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 19 here, and it's a warm day.
< 1343224066 706378 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's actually extraordinary; we normally have much lower tempratures
< 1343224089 558184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: So I've heard. It's so extraordinary some of the people here are going camping.
< 1343224114 764323 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :global warming!
< 1343224121 564855 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if what you want is to know how similar the aarch64 (arm64) code is to the arm code in the linux kernel, that comparison has already been done
< 1343224154 947994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10-day gue.. uh, I mean, predictions suggest that Friday's the last warm day.
< 1343224163 267242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, that's when we're going home.
< 1343224228 311980 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, hardly the globe.
< 1343224249 455028 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving for vacation Friday :)
< 1343224264 132936 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true
< 1343224267 990976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dreamt about having a discussion where someone claimed the days of the week were sunday, monday, ..., sunday
< 1343224289 806768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 8 day weeks with two days having the same name
< 1343224323 279708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday_1 and Sunday_2.
< 1343224338 428445 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday and Sunday'.
< 1343224376 276838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds quite confusing, especially since the Sunday of one week is right adjacent to a Sunday' of another.
< 1343224397 453656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that they meant that each sunday is in two weeks at the same time
< 1343224415 109919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more likely, they were idiots
< 1343224443 762741 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would, after a year, Sunday be Sunday'?
< 1343224446 237076 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: perhaps you are tired of having days and months named after celestial beings and gods who don't seem to get discussed often lately
< 1343224447 801763 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they were Romans.
< 1343224464 106450 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Sunday be Sunday'/Sunday' be Sunday/
< 1343224485 426647 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Romans had 8-day weeks but counted inclusively so they said the weekly market was every ninth day.
< 1343224486 988228 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*)
< 1343224508 780998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song "sunday bloody sunday" is in fact about a mixup over the two sundays
< 1343224624 797673 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1343224635 152142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While "Sundae, bloody sundae" is the lamentation of a dessertmaker.
< 1343224648 933604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly a mishap with a blender.
< 1343224650 580780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either-or.
< 1343224658 817681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both
< 1343224667 29904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dessertmaker's mishap with the blender
< 1343224708 52081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the suicide song? No, that's Gloomy Sunday.
< 1343224821 458534 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chorus of sunday bloody sunday is funny in swedish
< 1343224850 104187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like they're singing "little negros in the sand" in a southern-swedish accent
< 1343225036 11562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's also the cold stone day today.
< 1343225060 950324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ceremonial freezing of magma people?
< 1343225150 733384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finnish folklore that today Jaakko casts a cold stone to the sea (and/or your local lake), causing it to cool down, signifying that summer's about to start ending, and the swimming season's going to be over.
< 1343225158 303906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, olsner: Y'know, although 37C is a typical high in the summer, -23C is a typical low in the winter.
< 1343225179 126743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to calendarical confusion, the day's a bit earlier than it should.
< 1343225183 959888 :hughfdjackson!~hugh@host-92-30-228-187.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343225191 53560 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha
< 1343225193 708161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome hughfdjackson
< 1343225194 859628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Must be inconvenient for you magma beings.
< 1343225198 133664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hughfdjackson: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1343225206 843387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It really is!
< 1343225214 198459 :hughfdjackson!~hugh@host-92-30-228-187.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D cheers
< 1343225466 868946 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1343225852 417783 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343225904 726801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any evidence that the universe isn't a closed system?
< 1343225923 888907 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. heat death might not occur.
< 1343226084 631789 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, olsner: Y'know, although 37C is a typical high in the summer, -23C is a typical low in the winter.
< 1343226094 596144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's just wierd.
< 1343226097 132309 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weird
< 1343226104 72881 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magmar will rise again...
< 1343226132 51160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ /s/magmar will rise again.../magmar magmar/
< 1343226179 673407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the itch king of magmar
< 1343226263 176482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :3 "According to IGN, its English name is derived from the word "magma"."
< 1343226297 867118 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell wrote that
< 1343226308 299442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to see what other edits they made 
< 1343226359 94209 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bother, it always turns out to be some IP.
< 1343226532 503300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :User:New Age Retro Hippie 
< 1343226561 361983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think it's funny... it's probably not contrary to fact
< 1343226595 992488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... goals.. 1. Create articles for every character in Punch-Out!! for Wii.
< 1343226657 357608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for all the work you did in making Rugrats: Search for Reptar a certified "Good Article"! Your work is much appreciated. 
< 1343226686 476260 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive.
< 1343226849 768819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "repmat" a thing in some thing? 
< 1343226858 328264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Matlab function, but I mean otherwise.)
< 1343228420 618660 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hey, how do you feel about forming a sort of Agoran partnership?
< 1343228448 343548 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say "Machiavelli agrees that from now until further notice, all messages published by Sgeo are also published by Machiavelli", and then you'll say something similar.
< 1343228512 731928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if i am sgeo, i transfer all my possessions to tswett then deregister"
< 1343228536 397154 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd state that as "Sgeo transfers all his possessions to Machiavelli and then deregisters."
< 1343228566 936849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally, it doesn't work unless we trust each other not to be dicks.
< 1343228769 533195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I trust anyone with a good, solid name like Machiavelli to not be a dick.
< 1343229727 757070 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1343231164 27026 :hughfdjackson!~hugh@host-92-30-228-187.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1343232091 363808 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 QUIT :Quit: Time
< 1343232668 100905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343234460 997753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I'm not sure what the question is, but maybe you want to e.g. take the md5sum of each file and compare the sets of sums of the sets of files <-- I want to find specific offsets in the files for the differences
< 1343234471 454478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: if what you want is to know how similar the aarch64 (arm64) code is to the arm code in the linux kernel, that comparison has already been done <-- nope
< 1343234501 728458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, basically I want to reverse engineer which byte in a binary file contains a specific flag
< 1343234508 739635 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :honest_niccolo
< 1343234513 479502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are however always going to be other differences between the different files
< 1343234519 900736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I need to filter those out
< 1343234525 138167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just find the one I'm interested in
< 1343234579 840501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I would have two sets of files, one set with the flag set, and one set with it unset. There would in all cases be a number of other differences between the files. So I want to find the byte that differs /between/ the sets but not /inside/ each set
< 1343234593 748951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1343234596 537127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you find out such a flag?
< 1343234610 232128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of flag is this anyways?
< 1343234612 531643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for going afk, got an important call and have to leave immediately)
< 1343234636 516742 :honest_niccolo!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i am ...ST_NIC...
< 1343234636 962383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : How can you find out such a flag? <-- that is what I'm asking
< 1343234638 141058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you mean all the files are of the same size or what? 
< 1343234644 308810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honest_niccolo: me 2
< 1343234644 550618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yes indeed they are
< 1343234655 422872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the file is basically a huge struct as far as I can tell
< 1343234663 635974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : What kind of flag is this anyways? <-- boolean
< 1343234692 925305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is it measuring?
< 1343234702 606957 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343234709 384498 :honest_niccolo!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :good_guy_machiav
< 1343234713 837271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, if a specific feature is enabled or not.
< 1343234745 884402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you know, what I want to do is kind of similar to those "find cheat" features in zsnes and so on, except on binary files
< 1343234759 465425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the same sort of algorithm would work
< 1343234815 619202 :good_guy_machiav!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
< 1343234819 667273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would at least be an approximation, if you fed to the algorithm always one file from set A and then set B alternatingly.
< 1343234850 90900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those kind of cheat finder is one idea
< 1343234875 568717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? Do all the files in set a and select "same value", Do the same for set b. Then look for "differs" between those sets
< 1343234878 111989 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: # while\s+(.*)do(.*)od := {\2} {\1} w! 
< 1343234878 272627 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# \n := 
< 1343234878 423922 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :# \s{2,} := 
< 1343234878 424097 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :50
< 1343234878 424215 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 5 .> do
< 1343234878 575083 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ^^
< 1343234878 575249 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :    1 .-
< 1343234879 422340 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :od
< 1343234893 589339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway it is fairly easy to write the software to do this, I just wondered if anything existed already
< 1343234913 255336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would probably write it in erlang btw)
< 1343235061 569347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it would make it dead trivial to adapt the algorithm if it turned out to be part of a bitfield
< 1343235163 951662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing all files in set X with "same value" will only find you the offsets that are "fixed" throughout set X. It doesn't really sound like comparing those lists directly will help all that much. You want to find the masks of fixed bytes, take the & of them, and then considering only bytes in that find the ones in which there is a difference for each pair (a,b) with a in A, b in B.
< 1343235204 394880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I expect the byte I'm looking for to be fixed in each set.
< 1343235219 647627 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PART #esoteric :"Leaving..."
< 1343235226 508236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but you also want to consider only bytes that always differ when you look across-set.
< 1343235241 444206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I don't know what your files are like.
< 1343235284 646707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary blobs
< 1343235288 434796 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"fungot?"
< 1343235298 28517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, whether just finding the fixed bytes is enough.
< 1343235301 725635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I'm surprised this sort of software doesn't exist. It would seem like the ideal way to find stuff like which byte contains the flag for "this phone has a locked SIM". Which is kind of similar to what I'm trying to find.
< 1343235334 678145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if files of set A contain A000000 and A000111, and set B has B000000 and B000111, finding the fixed bytes of both sets would give you a mask like 1111000 while you really only want 1000000.
< 1343235348 872643 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :scampumpkin
< 1343235383 635115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err why are you not comparing the values when comparing between the sets?
< 1343235408 637244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use "differs" for the between-set comparsion
< 1343235415 319529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparison*
< 1343235552 125851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just use two equally long binary strings in memory for each set. One is the data of the first file, the other is the mask. For each file in the same set you compare and update the mask. Then when you compare between sets you compare again but this time you instead looks for where they differ rather than for where they are the same
< 1343235579 10893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I would do.
< 1343235586 349517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't really catch your "differs" thing.
< 1343235617 365639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most elegant way would be to consider each new file a new set, and then simply offer two merging operations between set: "mask-same" and "mask-different"
< 1343235748 157350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we do this bitwise, then updating the mask is very easy. If we assign 0 to mean masked out (thus the mask starts out at all 1) then the new mask becomes (for "must be the same" case): newmask = m1 & m2 & ~(d1 ^ d2), no?
< 1343235760 648334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m is mask, and d is data 
< 1343235786 69876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would remove the bitwise not for the "must be different" case obviously
< 1343235803 914292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love bitwise operations
< 1343235813 336373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what m1 and m2 are.
< 1343235824 630127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mask from old set 1 and mask from old set 2
< 1343235829 468578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for d = data
< 1343235860 929208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since there is no point is not generalising both operations to not work between sets
< 1343235868 277524 :scampumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1343235934 552255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, but you can't sensibly define the "new data" for the "must be different" case.
< 1343235955 398477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1343235979 874850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1343236004 527797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually the data is then meaningless since we know that that bit is either 0 or 1.
< 1343236013 486903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add a third mask to represent this I guess
< 1343236043 413372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see the point for my usage
< 1343236453 98345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grumbles about having to use e2fsck -c -c

< 1343236509 277938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, -c -c?
< 1343236552 509272 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rtfm
< 1343236584 290532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, my manual only says what happens if you use it once
< 1343236596 943397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, so that doesn't help at all
< 1343236606 958176 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do a non-destructive read-write test
< 1343236612 367733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343236622 348541 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find stealth bad block
< 1343236624 38345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blocks
< 1343236654 190357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your man page really doesn't have the "If this option is specified twice, then the bad block scan will be done using a non-destructive read-write test." bit? 
< 1343236701 604785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nope
< 1343236709 75907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty crummy man page.
< 1343236711 969377 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1343236740 904577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it actually seems they cut out a bit because that section ends with "If this option is specified"
< 1343236747 841281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it is a bug fixed in newer versions
< 1343236756 102187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this laptop is running a pretty old distro
< 1343236773 433681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from Ubuntu 10.10.
< 1343236780 186763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is very new
< 1343236781 828852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "perfect ten", I think it was called.
< 1343236786 641527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very new.
< 1343236786 792665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have 10.04
< 1343236799 512055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just six months newer.
< 1343236846 548467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really know why they didn't stick with the LTS, but then also didn't keep updating things.)
< 1343236863 306935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though they do have a 12.04 installation rolling out, I believe.)
< 1343236885 146646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are they
< 1343236903 157830 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's evil overlord
< 1343236908 633088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People at regular-work.
< 1343236933 627217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Finland then?
< 1343236937 30602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1343236947 32076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what they have at temporary-work.
< 1343236960 506640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't remember what the workstation was called.
< 1343236989 555036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CentOS 6.3, apparently.
< 1343237020 68182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very new, in fact the newest, apparently.
< 1343237035 940564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with youtube and not the "buffered up until this point" marker not matching how far it actually buffered
< 1343237078 702704 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343237080 27659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it is with YouTube and the frame-thumbnail-for-the-seekbar that randomly seems to sometimes be there, sometimes not.
< 1343237083 406056 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Videos are like WiFi.
< 1343237096 434237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it is there for older videos
< 1343237103 992621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't generate that straight away
< 1343237110 142526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They defy all mortal comprehension when examined too closely, despite being apparently simple.
< 1343237121 927954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wifi is in no way simple
< 1343237131 225951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they generate them only when sufficiently many people have bothered to seek the video in question.
< 1343237141 41478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even apparently
< 1343237164 60429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this video sometimes just breaks, stops loading
< 1343237171 968417 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want "defies mortal comprehension"?  Try getting CPU frequency scaling to behave
< 1343237173 757251 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well it certainly isn't obvious that your connection's stability is going to be incredibly variable for no apparent reason.
< 1343237194 848192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, that follows from the SNR
< 1343237209 184752 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has just spent about an hour on it, and "cpufreq-info" still doesn't work

< 1343237270 696725 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still don't know whether the bug's in the kernel, the module, the bios, or whether I just have a shit and borken CPU
< 1343237272 932754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, what CPU?
< 1343237277 780300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what system in general
< 1343237305 771406 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Celeron.  Linux (3.2.0-3-686-pae).  MSI CR500X laptop
< 1343237312 251598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343237319 167352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about that, maybe it is too old
< 1343237324 682236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the CPU even support it?
< 1343237339 211615 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron T3500
< 1343237357 519689 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, but there was a BIOS option to enable it
< 1343237371 497998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like acpi-cpufreq then.
< 1343237374 808073 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea which of the /proc/cpuinfo flags might indicate it
< 1343237390 532740 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: acpi-cpufreq wouldn't load (No such device).  But, speedstep-lib did
< 1343237418 939796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does the speedstep thing, then. Though module loading isn't really proof positive.
< 1343237513 902705 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat
< 1343237530 107297 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the BIOS option was (iirc) called speedstep too,
< 1343237535 660352 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless the BIOS is overly generic
< 1343237564 790587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.notebookcheck.nl/Intel-Celeron-Dual-Core-T3500-Notebook-Processor.48260.0.html through Google Translate sounds somewhat negative. "The Celeron T3500 does not have support for Enhanced SpeedStep (and other technologies), the average power consumption is so, however, higher, lower battery life as a result."
< 1343237589 952054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they have a real English version too.
< 1343237598 680214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geolocation seems to have given me a .nl thing.
< 1343237639 55205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-Dual-Core-T3500-Notebook-Processor.37117.0.html isn't any better English.
< 1343237643 901525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's what they claim.
< 1343237658 493522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the intel data sheet page
< 1343237664 156003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ark.intel.com or something iirc
< 1343237667 78625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's http://ark.intel.com/products/42104
< 1343237669 837584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's silent on it.
< 1343237693 668955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, looks like you may be out of luck
< 1343237721 913769 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just found out that "Enhanced SpeedStep" is cpuinfo flag "est", which isn't here
< 1343237736 860703 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so in other words My Laptop Is Shite
< 1343237739 124074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: wrong
< 1343237743 54157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I already knew that
< 1343237760 867981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, well obviously.... Anything with a Celeron is super-old anyway
< 1343237765 817529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus shit in modern terms
< 1343237784 611954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was cheap
< 1343237793 317693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, how long have you had it?
< 1343237810 644222 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, year and a half I think
< 1343237816 612565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343237823 336696 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343237827 242868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought it used then I guess
< 1343237841 313780 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1343237846 118403 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous laptop developed an intermittent fault due to (we think) a hairline crack on the mobo
< 1343237856 516229 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, new from Novatech
< 1343237866 324056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Celeron T3500 launch date is listed as Q3'10, that's less than two years ago.
< 1343237867 75803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron new 1.5 years ago?
< 1343237870 139926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343237871 591999 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343237877 823495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron was still alive as a brand then
< 1343237878 630185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1343237895 245073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron feels so 10 years ago
< 1343237908 683048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are Sandy Bridge Celerons from 2012.
< 1343237927 546104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they killed the brand ages ago?
< 1343237939 440279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron 797, release date January 2012.
< 1343237951 455873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ark.intel.com/products/63917
< 1343237975 902107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343238029 367872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Ivy Bridge Celerons (yet), though.
< 1343238050 619089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343238061 437976 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celeron T3500 (what I have) release date September 2010 (says Wiki)
< 1343238074 503216 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors
< 1343238081 344692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343238101 359258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did quote the Intel spec-sheet launch date, up there.
< 1343238155 972944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also Celeron G550 (a desktop thing) from June 2012, that's like last month.
< 1343238218 488951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, whoa.
< 1343238233 535327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343238236 308900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win-tab does some kinda threedee alt-tab in Win 7.
< 1343238241 23712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more you know, I guess.
< 1343238246 24493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really used this much.
< 1343238246 718334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343238253 84921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't for me
< 1343238256 967247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using Areo?
< 1343238260 669373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343238263 512173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aero.
< 1343238266 27809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the classic looks
< 1343238268 111522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Areo
< 1343238276 631473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does it look like?
< 1343238313 965300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.windows7taskforce.com/uploads/alt-win%20tab.jpg like that top thing.
< 1343238320 700090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's some kind of a combined thing.)
< 1343238329 821756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the thing with the "sheets".
< 1343238338 865884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1343238342 348389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty useless
< 1343238360 313323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I was just surprised. Thought I was alt-tabbing.
< 1343238364 779669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343238394 709134 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1343238526 914767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it's still Aero and not Areo.)
< 1343238567 188189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1343238637 132512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343238696 704015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, orejan.
< 1343238710 923968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day fuzzie
< 1343238721 974433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping you'd correct the spelling.
< 1343238728 527481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I could've said "whatever".
< 1343238751 143832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous.
< 1343239212 588235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343239214 364729 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1343239914 121397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quiet
< 1343240178 31388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too quiet
< 1343240320 768120 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All quiet on the esoteric front?
< 1343240322 592396 :erwin!~erwinm874@180.249.59.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343240345 997470 :erwin!~erwinm874@180.249.59.243 QUIT :
< 1343240402 321683 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1343240994 265961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with google services today. I'm having massive issues with youtube, gmail and google reader. Timing out or giving me 500 internal server errors sometimes
< 1343241163 311909 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hate yuou
< 1343241183 145937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who/what is "yuou"?
< 1343241250 862911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1343241260 464638 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-37.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343241282 511979 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343241291 617321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1343241300 624085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kann a PDA reverse its stack?
< 1343241320 686820 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1343241394 689470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public display of affection?
< 1343241546 285228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "no takebacks" rule of public displays of affection.
< 1343241583 543167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if it could, then you could easily implement a tape
< 1343241611 672937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or queue
< 1343241618 619694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I figured @queue
< 1343241663 920121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pushdown automaton hth
< 1343241665 822517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nondeterministic public display of affection can recognize a palindrome, though.
< 1343241684 930762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is...
< 1343241687 422099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Pushdown-overview.svg
< 1343241695 253421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's state supposed to mean?
< 1343241701 454159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some sort of internal state?
< 1343241708 970223 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Roll the dice, if it's 1, we just hug"
< 1343241711 872988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modifieable by instructions on the input tape?
< 1343241714 326556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's not a palindrome!"
< 1343241733 731162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Just look at the mathy definition as opposed to confusing images.
< 1343241748 962567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, it has internal finite state in addition to the stack
< 1343241763 583022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that starts with the 7-tuple.
< 1343242364 128632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out whether Burlesque is a PDA
< 1343242374 416965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not.
< 1343242384 864554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't reverse the stack though.
< 1343242416 736073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you know how many elements on the stack are or leave a  marking element somewhere
< 1343242581 530067 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343242697 990751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have only finite memory other than the stack, and cannot do anything to the stack below some depth without removing what's above, then it's probably a PDA.
< 1343242725 272519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : A nondeterministic public display of affection can recognize a palindrome, though. <-- what?
< 1343242763 727240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I blame Taneb for that
< 1343242804 605032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and each stack element has finite bounded size
< 1343242823 179932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stack element can have an infinite size.
< 1343242831 283890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eg. Blocks (Lists))
< 1343242851 123274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can simulate a queue with a list I guess.
< 1343242855 396811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1343242974 362213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would probably make it turing complete.
< 1343243026 367212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can simulate brainfucks >< by rotating a list, +,- obviously by incrementing the head of the list
< 1343243040 354965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] using a while loop that checks the head of the list, done.
< 1343243078 416787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: can you do underload's :()^ ? those are very simple for a stack language with blocks...
< 1343243082 928256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, are you trying to prove a new language TC?
< 1343243121 136241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is duplicate, I can do that.
< 1343243165 20783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate, swap, pop not a problem.
< 1343243176 367777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff is pushed automatically.
< 1343243241 314282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly !a* are also easy, but :()^ are all that are needed for TC
< 1343243264 855449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ modifies the program?
< 1343243295 67624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really just eval
< 1343243309 730661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1343243420 992639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:^):^
< 1343243485 529198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably easier to translate brainfuck to Burlesque than translating underload :)
< 1343243515 413507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have integers of infinite size as the stack elements, and can do suitable things to it, you could go via a two-counter machine too.
< 1343243518 942445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing instructions to the stack is possible
< 1343243527 734976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it requires a lot of wrapping stuff in blocks :)
< 1343243556 289891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ah so you don't have a way to simply parse nested blocks?
< 1343243572 366757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nested blocks are no problem.
< 1343243617 297945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, hm
< 1343243634 557036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1343243650 621696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put code in a block and eval it.
< 1343243651 72295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( -> { , ) -> } , : -> ^^ , ^ -> e!
< 1343243661 149696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything wrong with that translation?
< 1343243686 442751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (:^):^ becomes {^^e!}^^e!?
< 1343243694 183714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343243698 902124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that works.
< 1343243713 668503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it's TC
< 1343243837 172013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! and * may be vv and **
< 1343243921 102302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe .+ for the latter
< 1343243990 379156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.+ doesn't work for commands yet.
< 1343243994 23414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be a good idea
< 1343244012 354465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1343244017 386628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.+ works for blocks
< 1343244054 392171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1343244058 187031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... should work with .+
< 1343244069 43486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a might be {}\/[+ , assuming [+ nests if the arguments are both blocks
< 1343244104 264620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {ab} {cd} [+
< 1343244104 455224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ab {cd}}
< 1343244121 854198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1343244148 393464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you have all of underload except S, which tends to break with reencodings anyhow
< 1343244212 458180 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://pastebin.com/bMpJPxQA -- just a quick example. It lacks many things.
< 1343244301 363490 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to make it skip whitespace because blsq gives me errors if I don't? Shouldn't all whitespace be ignored?
< 1343244363 468787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :White spaces are optional
< 1343244368 996223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whitespaces
< 1343244378 560620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except after {
< 1343244422 942052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1343244443 715814 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it seems to happen only with newlines(?)
< 1343244500 6733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me put an "optional spaces" after {
< 1343244534 448710 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/gW3bfVu0
< 1343244538 151968 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives me:
< 1343244550 611863 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq: (line 3, column 1):
< 1343244550 763004 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected " "
< 1343244570 296850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's invalid because whitespace can't follow {.
< 1343244580 832983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a missing optional spaces in my parser.
< 1343244612 887961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343244619 820521 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't git just ignore binary files
< 1343244627 172494 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343244633 823932 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gitignore
< 1343244639 774133 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be possible
< 1343244669 33431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that only allows extensions?
< 1343244672 141657 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless your binary files are in the same directory as the source code?
< 1343244688 438339 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put bin/* in there today, and that worked
< 1343244713 3221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/commit/8d7addc5667a703091fff9194b79a613c29d6da4
< 1343244716 503287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yeah that works.
< 1343244722 72287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I whish it would ignore binary files at all
< 1343244724 962371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter where they are.
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< 1343244824 364856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes do ghc --make main.hs -o burlesque to test things.
< 1343244829 987176 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343244833 232269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when I do git add . it adds it
< 1343244842 105384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell binaries are like 6MB or so 
< 1343244938 691270 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going. Tomorrow I will try to add functions or something else to Burlesque by using HELP. I think it's possible by adding a flag that will make it preprocess everything twice (this will allow a macro to generate a macro)
< 1343244968 167340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use git add ., just add the right files instead
< 1343244986 518036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too used to git add . :D
< 1343244992 948010 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if you really are lazy
< 1343244998 19121 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7DD.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.hs
< 1343244998 175114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because
< 1343245007 279543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I just edit files and have no idea which I edited
< 1343245009 339902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just do
< 1343245016 824241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :git add .; git commit -m "*bump*"; git push;
< 1343245020 625608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :git commit -a is also a lazy solution.
< 1343245022 92085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly me :)
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< 1343245037 451905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :git add *.hs?
< 1343245039 928238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It will only add modified/deleted, not new files.)
< 1343245048 956869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1343245050 971429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks.
< 1343245162 333267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overuse of "commit -a" might make one forget to actually add new files, though. (Personally I just take a quick git status to see what I've been doing lately, and then add explicitly.)
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< 1343245201 528046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... never figured out how to use git
< 1343245206 381530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've tried
< 1343245579 593501 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too difficult once you understand some basic stuff
< 1343245828 326731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're Gregor
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< 1343247917 668737 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put filenames in .gitignore
< 1343247927 806111 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually put in the names of my binaries
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< 1343250755 840149 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me, that I have now bought Amnesia 3 times
< 1343250759 840083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-130.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played it
< 1343250885 39875 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship
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< 1343251858 252670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what's this about a partnership?
< 1343252500 372094 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
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< 1343253660 987909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think it was a trap.
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< 1343265391 50805 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, badblocks saves the day
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< 1343267798 860022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait whoa, Gilgamesh was 2/3 god.
< 1343267812 657818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumerian myths are so much better than that Greek crap.
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< 1343270433 207303 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to watch babylon 5
< 1343270473 585144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not
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< 1343272767 196010 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: well, it's pretty much exactly what I said.
< 1343272787 922948 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "Sgeo's messages are also Machiavelli's", you say the converse.  And that's the partnership.
< 1343272856 581724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, "Machiavelli's messages are also Sgeo's?" Or am I getting converse wrong (I wikipedia'd it)
< 1343272864 223823 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that.
< 1343272893 110412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in Agora?
< 1343272896 976787 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yep.
< 1343272901 219166 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work
< 1343272909 447141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't?
< 1343272913 241820 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343272914 509524 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also say "Warrigal's messages are also Machiavelli's" and then have control of me, I think
< 1343272917 146315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it worked)
< 1343272920 57030 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a partnership
< 1343272941 959600 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, a partnership is when two people work together to achieve a common goal.
< 1343275754 798757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, different audience than last night.
< 1343275760 544448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go read my short story: http://codu.org/fiction/LensCap.html
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< 1343290212 885267 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1343291646 276162 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343292221 256387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1343292238 572930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If C is not turing-complete, but there is a Brainfuck interpreter in C
< 1343292248 163789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means, there is no actual Brainfuck interpreter in C
< 1343292253 502508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C can't interpret Brainfuck.
< 1343292296 680776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that means: "I wrote a Brainfuck interpreter in my language, so my language is turing complete" might be delicate then.
< 1343292583 215962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-45.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343292595 26408 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-7.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343293029 206325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that "Brainfuck" without qualifiers might easily mean a fixed-length tape (that's what the first implementation had), in which case it's quite irrelevant to TC-ness.
< 1343293057 131124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also argue that purely by saying "I wrote a Brainfuck interpreter in my language, so my language is turing complete" you're kind of implying the tape is in fact not finite.
< 1343293287 188027 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1343293588 477646 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically the tape is always finite
< 1343293723 664907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the restrictions of a computer yes.
< 1343293732 809937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by the restrictions of a language.
< 1343293751 189485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a brainfuck interpreter in a turing complete language so that the tape *would* be infinite
< 1343294203 61335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also write one in C in which the tape would be infinite if the language was tweaked a tiny little bit; the finiteness isn't really all that noticeable, after all.
< 1343294232 267785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "C isn't TC" is really mostly just nitpicking and arguing for the sake of argument.
< 1343295798 829225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tweaked a tiny bit"?
< 1343297610 472372 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1343297642 143529 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343297686 805589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343297696 235299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343297766 363362 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343297824 844325 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's possible to add features from Stlang (eg. functions) to burlesque by making macros that expand in new macros
< 1343297977 138820 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be something like #fn\s+(.*)\s+(.*)efn :=
< 1343297977 342365 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : #\1 := \2\n
< 1343298385 425098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you two working together on Burlesque?
< 1343299811 433016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1343299813 216983 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1343299968 36810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343300184 181043 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1343300442 389764 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1343301027 564458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 There's no Peanoid or Copeanoid instance for Int8
< 1343301027 583705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343302116 755790 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is now the time to learn Lisp?
< 1343302469 829811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343302609 73535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343302675 872100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No @working together
< 1343302689 932933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's writing a preprocessor for esoteric programming languages
< 1343302694 680366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses Burlesque for examples.
< 1343302720 211999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that macros won't enable you recursion I guess.
< 1343302747 397467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without much overhead I think.
< 1343302762 644015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque doesn't know the concept "recursion"
< 1343302767 232051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not first hand.
< 1343302865 459545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think making C TC would require more than small changes. Although I guess just removing CHAR_BIT would allow the possibility of a TC implementation.
< 1343303042 243195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should I learn Lisp?
< 1343303046 584485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what is there to stop you replacing 'integer' with 'ordinal' in the right places to allow infinitely large types?
< 1343303071 914461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is "Lisp"
< 1343303075 683601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the C standard
< 1343303080 156733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a speech impediment.
< 1343303099 708149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, learning  is generally a good idea so long as it's not Yet Another Generic Scripting Language.
< 1343303110 716089 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sixth of my ancient history class suffer from it
< 1343303126 27581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are 6 people in the class, har har har.
< 1343303129 985134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 12
< 1343303143 768703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :30% of my further maths class are called Andrew
< 1343303153 434027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Learn COBOL, it's a generally a good idea ;P
< 1343303155 8912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is "Lisp"
< 1343303165 580814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are giving crappy advice because you don't know what Taneb is using "Lisp" to refer to
< 1343303183 278345 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CL or Scheme, these days.
< 1343303189 889977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance learning LISP 1.5 would be incredibly dumb
< 1343303191 573603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is a bad choice.
< 1343303195 170481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Scheme is barely a Lisp
< 1343303207 14609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not considered a Lisp by its designers, just a Lisp descendent)
< 1343303207 576639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's referred to as one.
< 1343303212 391087 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is Lisp?
< 1343303224 112469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up
< 1343303224 549691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343303228 292538 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha ;d
< 1343303231 727423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it's when you can't really pronounce your f's or s's right?
< 1343303272 328331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to create an eso-paste like codepad.org
< 1343303272 654780 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of definitions
< 1343303286 122389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, different to codepad in what way?
< 1343303287 460737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which not only stores your paste, but also runs it and tells you its output.
< 1343303288 164101 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a guy with nick Patashu here?
< 1343303296 429690 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343303297 4378 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while back?
< 1343303302 489951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be still here AS WE SPEAK
< 1343303303 145902 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall seeing him here
< 1343303305 937839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It supports esolangs @different ;)?
< 1343303324 495695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, like, with syntax highlighting?
< 1343303333 390397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343303361 263971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many esolangs can you even do that for
< 1343303368 445160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them barely have a syntax.
< 1343303372 502769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brainfuck 
< 1343303381 640437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just Glass
< 1343303383 633415 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is partly to blame for this.)
< 1343303391 751810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck well.
< 1343303395 755010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And INTERCAL
< 1343303412 867096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It't have a different color for +- [] >< and ,. probably.
< 1343303419 922367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d
< 1343303439 781006 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a fair few that do, but most of them have BF-style specs where it's just considered a flat array of instructions.
< 1343303461 509970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me, did I get around to adding a better BF spec on the wiki.
< 1343303465 92179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343303530 874321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all of mine are like that but Luigi and Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
< 1343303532 360816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that.
< 1343303561 378122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first esolang was indirectly a BF derivative
< 1343303567 265486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 3: was a chelicerate smiley until I read through a second time.
< 1343303592 433439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelicerate?
< 1343303598 19348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343303611 547704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiders and other things with that sort of fangs.
< 1343303645 737334 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Nepeta, because of the unfortunate way her mouth is drawn.
< 1343303724 136126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Neither does Word64
< 1343303724 155195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343303888 377069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people know the context for that?
< 1343303891 325183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly only me
< 1343303950 707507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quickly switched to #haskell but found no context there either.
< 1343303972 282447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY SHALL KNOW
< 1343304000 367949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's targeted at zzo38
< 1343304000 387330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343304005 466476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it's quite possible there /isn't/ any context
< 1343304007 966403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343304007 985722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3d 1h 49m 49s ago: lumenstones /do/ stack; see http://i.imgur.com/WiVQp.png
< 1343304008 4325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3d 1h 23m 54s ago: btw, I got to depth 21 with the help of a highly-enchanted staff of lightning and +3 scale mail of reflection, but then I died :(
< 1343304094 908857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott item stacks (except projectiles) in Brogue use up 1 inventory slot per item in the stack; that pack's full because it contains 26 items, even though only 17 of the 26 slots are in use, so your link actually argues for my point of view :)
< 1343304094 966518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343304129 425901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott meanwhile, I'm interested in your opinion on http://nethack4.org/pastebin/philosophy.html (I suspect you're going to disagree with it, but am interested to know with which bits)
< 1343304129 445390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343304302 9384 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343304345 351960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to actually become good at NetHack at some point
< 1343304348 968664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I really don't
< 1343304363 665491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be better if I didn't, to be honest.
< 1343304442 762461 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343304452 120130 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest
< 1343304462 982160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone else who cares can look at that link I sent elliott too
< 1343304471 815146 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my Internet connection died :(
< 1343304681 450853 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343304865 204890 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimage.org/image/99fi2135j/
< 1343304865 823920 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear.
< 1343304868 268512 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to take a while.
< 1343305063 901119 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1343305268 522176 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343305312 393742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, hm?
< 1343305418 281238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you're losing
< 1343305425 789020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is TOX the one that doubles the damage each turn
< 1343305426 618838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1343305435 367482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the similar PSN?
< 1343305480 982273 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-95.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343305485 655503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343305491 15842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-45.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343305491 761787 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Wigglytuff has Magic Guard
< 1343305497 379254 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOX's damage is negated.
< 1343305499 364801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343305503 376036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, brilliant
< 1343305648 979568 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply put, it became a question of "who has more PP"
< 1343305702 124937 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck
< 1343305768 66964 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other player disconnected)
< 1343305769 251536 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(><)
< 1343305780 939655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does that mean you get the points)
< 1343305790 161776 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ladder server is down. Nobody gets points right now :()
< 1343305801 842310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343305956 759159 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The foe's Cofagrigus used Shadow Ball!
< 1343305957 92562 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't affect Noriko...
< 1343305960 44235 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you stupid??
< 1343305996 197708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to play more Pokemon
< 1343305999 640899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually...
< 1343306006 680384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see my NetHack speech earlier
< 1343306034 168767 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how
< 1343306036 334315 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clefable
< 1343306040 646893 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is totally immune to all entry hazards
< 1343306055 74578 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaing all those spikes are useless
< 1343306070 681981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your team is perfectly adapted to the scenario?
< 1343306077 442534 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1343306081 968422 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda still under construction
< 1343306103 756698 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you stupid?
< 1343306109 201045 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting up entry hazards while I was setting up a sweeper?
< 1343306135 616824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I suck at Pokemon
< 1343306142 619343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most other video games
< 1343306281 75637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really think in strategy?
< 1343307210 823696 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/QDFJrB31 <- that works
< 1343307220 854127 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman
< 1343307495 876969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I call test in test?
< 1343307610 659299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining macros is ok
< 1343307621 382738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But trying to disguise them as functions is wrong :)
< 1343307649 339153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that depends on the language I guess.
< 1343308052 694087 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you call test from withing test, it doesn't  get substituted :p
< 1343308089 465708 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see these functions more as a syntactic construct
< 1343308111 453386 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP doesn't define semantic behavior anyway
< 1343308120 445939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very lazy macro system would essentially be call-by-name laziness?
< 1343308242 25837 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think that there is an other approach, but it's harder
< 1343308256 107709 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could push the function to the stack as a Block
< 1343308277 369415 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the problem would be loading it
< 1343308635 932730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, a tiling is a family of shapes, which are called tiles
< 1343308769 572038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: surely Nepeta's mouth would be much more like :3 than like 3:.
< 1343309380 444810 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so, what do you say to the partnership idea?
< 1343309537 703938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partnership idea?
< 1343309557 428967 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where each of us allows the other to act on our behalf.
< 1343309567 654018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What context?
< 1343309584 770900 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora.
< 1343309588 930979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1343309606 952482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be an esoteric programming language community nomic
< 1343310211 187430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1343310409 828264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, well yes.
< 1343310419 468510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it also has those fangs at the bottom.
< 1343310727 626561 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: macros can't generate macros nicely... \ is seen as an escape sequence in the function body
< 1343310820 736586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Nepeta and Vriska would get on more
< 1343310833 931296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't recall them ever interacting on-screen?
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< 1343311659 707702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343311736 699314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb!
< 1343311739 526672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while!
< 1343311742 112541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah!"
< 1343311758 105287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, my laptop crashed
< 1343311774 336409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were the passengers OK?
< 1343311782 544669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No serious injuries
< 1343311891 166176 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1343312436 812730 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a CA question: you have a state called 0 and a state called 1. device a CA with at least these states such that all configurations over {0, 1} with a finite number of 1's collect the 1's into a connected pattern, and the number of 1's stays constant.
< 1343312486 896079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first thought is that that is not possible if the CA has infinite space
< 1343312504 509280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I have an idea?
< 1343312522 57241 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are given an infinite configuration with 0's and 1's such that there are only finitely many 1's, and without changing the number of 1's, but possibly using any finite set of helper states, clump the 1's together.
< 1343312588 778996 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you want hints? i have a continuation to this question if someone gives a plausible solution.
< 1343312602 652339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I see where my idea goes first?
< 1343312612 930758 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking this because it's kind of a fun esoteric type puzzle, and would be nice to know if what we've done sofar is trivial.
< 1343312626 922084 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i'm gonna watch old episodes of house now
< 1343312660 786723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343312672 309416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know if there's a way to hook up a socket into the SDL event loop thingy?
< 1343312672 328626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343312675 161040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1343312675 954832 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell what the answer is as a boolean at some point at least, unless someone finds such a CA or proof of impossibility
< 1343312723 46226 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if no one cares ofc :D)
< 1343312830 499636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's your idea, then?
< 1343312836 167059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like ropes
< 1343312900 15391 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343313219 41943 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343313257 767183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can do it with 5 states (2 dimensions)
< 1343313338 852182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm missing something stupid, definitely 6
< 1343313509 132447 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1343313526 301925 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right yeah this is for 2D, that's kind of important (although might help looking at 1D first)
< 1343313527 913244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like ropes is actually the best description I can think of
< 1343313537 152499 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I meant 1D
< 1343313549 127195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D may be harder, haven't really thought about it
< 1343313554 798985 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so how do you do it?
< 1343313568 670653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you let me write this down and think it through?
< 1343313574 872981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do partial reads work with a non-blocking FD?
< 1343313577 131808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get my brain to give me its secrets atm
< 1343313578 289601 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hope i explained the problem correctly
< 1343313580 377155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I read 12 bytes but only 11 are available.
< 1343313625 517640 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very important here that you can depend on every state besides 1 and 0 having been introduced by yourself
< 1343313652 321916 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, important in the sense that it's a very different problem otherwise.
< 1343313659 953005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant may also apply.
< 1343313662 660497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah take your time
< 1343313668 128470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "depend"?
< 1343313705 43520 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just that you can trust that you are really given a configuration with only 0s and 1s even though you can introduce more states that you then use in clumping the 1s together.
< 1343313730 22440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1343313741 531088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're saying that I start with something that has only 1s and 0s
< 1343313824 432176 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1343313841 979680 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite configuration, we can say say 1D for now
< 1343313847 150123 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are only finitely many 1s
< 1343313980 274071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably you get the 11 bytes
< 1343313990 937315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :(
< 1343314006 144289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't suppose there's an easy way to get "give me 12 bytes if you have them, otherwise just refuse to respond"?
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< 1343314047 798239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, read nothing from the fd if there are less than 12 bytes available?
< 1343314068 978094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a way, at least.
< 1343314087 32595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343314187 407949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A shame.
< 1343314247 280176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason you can't just buffer the 11?
< 1343314275 470721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because I'll have to maintain a buffer. :(
< 1343314278 922563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just do this thingy.
< 1343314315 487712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: By the way, remind me to reintroduce these hard tabs when I'm done.
< 1343314318 637354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX
< 1343314591 409229 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343315041 935065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a problem with my system
< 1343315066 48528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempting to fix
< 1343315084 39985 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1343315138 727997 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: can you compose two CA in mathematica?
< 1343315276 867730 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kind of dirty since i've *actually implemented a few CA* at work, and to make things worse, i used mathematica :/
< 1343315419 399152 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the only way to make CA in mathematica is to supply a local rule directly. they are not functions, and you cannot run them on arbitrary computable configurations. the whole thing is completely special cased and it's really annoying to do anything with them.
< 1343315510 499767 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no optimation is done if a periodic (or even unary) pattern starts filling the universe.
< 1343315512 267659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1343315530 674783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea hasn't worked
< 1343315535 53446 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :GoldParrot
< 1343315538 624797 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343315546 935435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for 1D?
< 1343315547 106533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll describe it any way
< 1343315549 397971 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343315553 752193 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright go ahead
< 1343315562 260269 :GoldParrot!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :BitParrot
< 1343315568 291914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1's emit a highway of 3's with 2's at the tips
< 1343315577 608378 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which way?
< 1343315585 583663 :BitParrot!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1343315586 913876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 1 -> 212 -> 23132 -> ... -> 2333331333332
< 1343315593 102964 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ways okay
< 1343315605 206662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's an idea
< 1343315614 528466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is?
< 1343315627 419492 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just one way perhaps
< 1343315635 515582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll only work for 1D, but if they only go one way, I'll avoid this error
< 1343315643 398215 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1343315660 441210 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what then?
< 1343315686 970625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a highway encounters a 1 or a 2, the 2 turns into a 4
< 1343315704 553028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 4 falls back to the original 1, which then moves towards the 4
< 1343315721 59351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only do this in one direction?
< 1343315729 61631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both
< 1343315739 490661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, don't the highways collide?
< 1343315740 139230 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343315755 76591 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i see, they should gather at the middle then i guess?
< 1343315760 513036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in theory
< 1343315764 302264 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work
< 1343315769 557451 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is that?
< 1343315778 161523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when there's the pattern 101?
< 1343315797 686777 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isn't that a local issue that you can fix trivially?
< 1343315823 10309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too, but it gets complicated and nasty
< 1343315850 890136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you start losing 1's
< 1343315859 367892 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do?
< 1343315868 628758 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1343315909 728809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you extend the detecty-range thing? But down that path madness lies
< 1343315944 114536 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1343315947 308489 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt this
< 1343315975 472127 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see 101, then neight 1 introduces a 2, and the rightmost one moves left
< 1343315987 852232 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1343315989 306337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/72152
< 1343315992 983065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I had
< 1343315993 115302 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neight??
< 1343316015 400365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neight isn't a word?
< 1343316050 319981 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what the fuck did it mean there? i assume jumbled some words together :D
< 1343316067 74474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "one"?
< 1343316082 402147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i meant neither
< 1343316083 86715 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343316092 157073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah
< 1343316115 989999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what I did, with a 5 to tell the 1 to move
< 1343316123 607104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I made the one on the left move right?
< 1343316189 385332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's a very simple fix
< 1343316216 967684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the hpaste, that's what I had before I realised it wasn't going to work
< 1343316310 963285 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with that if that's an actual simulation, i know it's not hard to make that work, but it's not very interesting, essentially you're done. now let's make this more interesting: 3 states, radius 1 (Von Neumann neighborhood)
< 1343316317 900785 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2D
< 1343316338 937841 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a 0, a 1 and a single helper state
< 1343316341 772141 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear
< 1343316342 345148 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same rules
< 1343316350 521844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single helper state!?
< 1343316352 422304 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there aren't that many CA like that :D
< 1343316363 44497 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay there are kinda many.
< 1343316384 492291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait
< 1343316390 755076 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need moore neighborhood
< 1343316402 955793 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means you can look diagonally too, but just one step in each direction
< 1343316443 680568 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also let's call this Problem 1 :P
< 1343316455 250275 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you allowed to have leftover helper state?
< 1343316476 572473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you creating or destroying 1's?
< 1343316491 955579 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1343316518 445713 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm pretty sure you have to
< 1343316534 318537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that sense of leftover
< 1343316588 389736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cleanup required, just that the 1's gather together and their number is conserved.
< 1343316726 612147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if you find the (presumably minimal) solution i hinted at, or a better one.
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< 1343317722 1686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got it
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< 1343317938 814406 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with three states?
< 1343317942 485100 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343317945 673510 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1343317946 960541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just testing it
< 1343318002 598559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know any CA software that's easy for this kind of thing?
< 1343318077 192781 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica lets you visualize pretty nicely
< 1343318085 518071 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does mathematica cost?
< 1343318106 692533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mirek's cellebration is nice enough for testing CA on different patterns once you have the CA, but i don't know if it's nice to make rules with it.
< 1343318120 647007 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, a lot, we have it at uni.
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< 1343318166 9651 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not much nicer making the actual rules than it is with say C, you can basically just give it the local rule. it does give you an infinite configuration, assuming only finitely many cells are filled.
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< 1343318400 18172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty sure this works
< 1343318408 555101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phrasing's awful, though
< 1343318411 766460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0's look at W, SW, and S. If any are not 0, become #.
< 1343318411 785143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1's look at SW. If #, become 0. Else look at S and E. If S is # and E is not 1, become 0. Else look at W, NW, and N. If W is # and neither 
< 1343318411 785334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NW nor N are 1, become 0.
< 1343318411 785448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#'s, look at NE. If NE is 1, become 1. Otherwise look at N and W. If N is 1 and W is not #, become 1. Otherwise look at E, SE, and S. If E is 1 and netiher SE nor S are #, become 1.
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< 1343318449 817511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of tediously giving the rule, can you first explain what happens in english? :D
< 1343318452 575747 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1343318459 70462 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :globally, not what the actual rules are
< 1343318469 130552 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it a bit easier to follow, i'm kinda lazy.
< 1343318487 73664 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343318491 452419 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's easy enough
< 1343318506 985363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, 1's send out a rug north, northeast, and east, and other 1's fall down it
< 1343318521 492586 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that sounds correct.
< 1343318540 689499 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say we have a 1 at (0, 10) and (10, 0), does it still work?
< 1343318553 260569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343318555 267293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343318562 532248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1343318566 354935 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't be too sad, this is how we started
< 1343318592 651253 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ours was rotated 180 degrees
< 1343318606 440894 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's not how gravity works so you win.
< 1343318770 636956 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, Golly has a nifty tool that lets you convert state transition functions like the one Taneb gave into rule tables.
< 1343318829 593409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rug description?
< 1343318942 221173 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I was thinking of the same kind of thing, except the rugs also send out tendrils to the sides,
< 1343319063 641256 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :send tendrils south and west?
< 1343319092 473893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that with only 3 states?
< 1343319199 953141 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well if you change the orientation of the rugs so they spread in a triangle from NE to NW, then you can make a 0 with a single # to the left or right turn into a #, maybe?
< 1343319227 577624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1343319237 58343 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is starting up
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< 1343319553 934497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1343319555 532488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works
< 1343320269 474139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language where their word for no starts with y and their word for yes starts with n?
< 1343320303 26179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Welsh is like that with Male and Female
< 1343320352 151900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Irish, men, women
< 1343320381 97699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"men" is "fir", "women" is "mná"
< 1343320386 953759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causes chaos in restaurants
< 1343320465 291566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost Finnish?
< 1343320489 254247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, "niin" means "yes", and "ei" means "no"
< 1343320493 173116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns: confim/deny
< 1343320536 361771 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"man" is "mies" and "woman" is "nainen"
< 1343320541 563296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Greek, "yes" is nai, and "no" is "ochi"
< 1343320570 471800 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"niin" is more like "that's true", "kyllä" and "joo" are the canonical yesses
< 1343320659 669111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swahili's close, too
< 1343320674 235708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes" is "ndiyo", "no", is "hakuna"
< 1343320688 389139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :��� (iie) in japanese is a formal way of saying "no", apparently
< 1343320725 88308 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ie is no, but ee is yes.
< 1343320726 437511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Swahili and Greek are your best bets
< 1343320767 905020 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uun is no, un is yes. then again the tone tells you everything you need to know in both cases.
< 1343320809 426519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ also that was another way to say yes/no in japanese
< 1343320852 965236 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how nay is yes and okay is no.
< 1343320855 871168 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in greek
< 1343321062 580799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, uun vs. un seems very confusing at first.
< 1343321080 724590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, they sound totally different when someone actually says it.
< 1343321103 716427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, completely obvious instance of pitch accent.
< 1343321231 198853 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uhhuh can mean both yes and no in english depending on the tone. or perhaps you'd spell them differently, dunno.
< 1343321263 732654 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the no is more like an uh-uh
< 1343321302 144559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. To my ears "uh huh" and "uh-uh" sound like they're composed of different phonemes.
< 1343321314 435454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "uh-uh" has a glottal stop in there.
< 1343321322 129781 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish we do the same with m-mm and mmhm.
< 1343321332 353941 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it does, yes
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< 1343322124 239861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah oerjan
< 1343322133 65878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in 2010 and the site crashed
< 1343322272 310010 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the '10s and there is time for the site crashing.
< 1343323357 842966 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: When compiling Burlesque; Web.Encodings wasn't found?
< 1343325771 120924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 I thought killing a monster with a pet didn't give you death drops, re: gnomes and candles?
< 1343325771 178730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1343326614 654947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: computed goto is *hell* to debug.
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< 1343326965 750118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: that should not surprise anyone
< 1343327178 843663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it sounds like maybe we thought of very similar CA .. i glanced at what you said in the logs.. well i dont know the context of it for you but for me it occured to me yesterday to say
< 1343327212 485801 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thought of this same CA yesterday??
< 1343327213 781963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 6 state cell, {up,down,left,right,center,off}
< 1343327223 519481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didnt look close at it
< 1343327228 878875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i highly doubt it
< 1343327231 798403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol....
< 1343327261 190188 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've been awesome synchronicity
< 1343327268 327153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i named the states using compass points
< 1343327290 742852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i didn't get to the main question yet, it's a bit more interesting
< 1343327293 824654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. if hte cell to the north was in a state of south, the current cell would become south in  the next iteration
< 1343327319 816957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if the cell to the east was in a state of west, the current cell would become west
< 1343327353 906669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the cell to the east was west, and the cell to the west was east, the current cell would become center/centre
< 1343327366 734841 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similarly for other collisions?
< 1343327369 814398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually gave up trying to map out all the possibilities
< 1343327377 778075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was this for?
< 1343327404 19402 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't sound like what Taneb was doing
< 1343327418 325284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that on a CA where the entire thing is off.. a single cell which is west, will translate to the west each iteration
< 1343327424 263959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lattice gas automaton or something
< 1343327472 40645 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got it, you have particles that move in cardinal directions.
< 1343327508 747204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. thats all.. i just saw his said west and stuff and i jumped the gun a bit
< 1343327531 476039 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was about gathering all the ones in a configuration in the same place
< 1343327576 443291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... well logic dictates that i would not have the same idea :D
< 1343327594 790577 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to do if you can only use 1's and 0's, but you can do it if you add one more symbol.
< 1343327619 457267 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extra points for proving what i just said)
< 1343327667 882087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal was to kind of use brute force to make spaceships automatically happen :D
< 1343327738 24083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 0/1/spacecraft?
< 1343327790 630228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343328054 29217 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and why is there one?
< 1343328066 426878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know it can't be expressed (by me!) using simple ca rules, but by having enough states and writing a function i assume a lot is possible
< 1343328084 973706 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need three states and radius one
< 1343328097 507971 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much i've disclosed
< 1343328100 594226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do everything?
< 1343328104 706609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure why I directed that comment to you
< 1343328111 796748 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... i wasnt ready to solve your problem yet
< 1343328126 963340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnn
< 1343328139 515867 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i assumed it was a very compact proof :D
< 1343328182 673591 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: to gather ones in the same place
< 1343328189 979372 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need three states
< 1343328195 345818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that might be quite challenging for me
< 1343328375 613107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. perhaps you specify that collection spot with a 2!
< 1343328446 538083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was a reference to a discussion from the other day, where it was decided that everything that has an off/on switch should also have a spacecraft mode on that switch
< 1343328494 678631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 2 grows like an evil blob and when it encounters a 1, the 1 digs a tunnel through it ... hmm perhaps not
< 1343328497 680533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if whatever it was that required 3 states/symbols was related to spaceships, the topics are related
< 1343328532 282226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, obviously you need the spacecraft setting to get spaceships)
< 1343328583 952579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its not technically related i think
< 1343328601 564550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's a shame
< 1343328603 926130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just make it sound related in my confusion and my constant topic hopping
< 1343328616 362908 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also basically a proof for what i asked, although i might have accepted the empty string too.
< 1343328650 138785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: 
< 1343328666 267873 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what you're describing with 2's sounds about right
< 1343328672 434231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a problem with it
< 1343328679 734949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1343328687 877325 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy enough to solve though
< 1343328721 462421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1343328789 48628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.... maybe it grows like a circle instead of a blob
< 1343328853 488108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do the 1s know where to move?
< 1343328955 472738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... it could be a spiral.. and the 1s propagate along this spiral 
< 1343329016 432252 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it start?
< 1343329020 2477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any rotatable CA with a 1x1 spaceship?
< 1343329028 335478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm
< 1343329033 695542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a rotatable CA?
< 1343329050 39626 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343329062 619857 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a spaceship?
< 1343329085 842861 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the identity CA has a 1x1 spaceship and pretty much any property you might want. except for not being the identity function.
< 1343329149 433191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rotatable CA is what you get when you put California on a merry-go-round
< 1343329171 427159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a SHIP in SPACE
< 1343329197 195671 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. does it also mean that if you rotate and apply, you get the same thing as if you apply and rotate?
< 1343329209 826284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah! because space is like water but it's a vacuum instead
< 1343329210 46727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a hip replacement done in a spa, at the Consumer Electronics Show.
< 1343329218 727229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not
< 1343329235 365745 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the definition then you can't have a 1x1 spaceship
< 1343329244 944278 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you also apply a rotation to states.
< 1343329287 502756 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all totalistic CA (local rule just looks at the sum of values in the neighborhood) commute with rotations, GoL included
< 1343329297 565807 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i'm being very stupid
< 1343329330 170766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceship is a pattern that after t*k steps is a translation of itself
< 1343329339 9217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quietly backs away.

< 1343329350 204822 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1343329352 526373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where t is an integer variable and k is an integer constant
< 1343329354 384247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1343329457 181152 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a finite pattern such that when you surround them with 0s (what's 0??), you get a configuration x such that f^n(x) = \sigma^m(x) where f is your CA, \sigma the translation function and m some integer.
< 1343329480 687396 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 1d, that is. otherwise you need to translate by a vector of appropriate dimension.)
< 1343329513 340820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/integer/natural/
< 1343329521 866519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what you said, it's enough that you require it for some k!=0, then the rest follows inductively.
< 1343329542 807453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k greater than 0 if we don't assume the CA is reversible
< 1343329549 938698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm no expert on CA's
< 1343329554 649214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or CA, or Ca
< 1343329558 406858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cars
< 1343329615 96743 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm just spreading the word, my goal is to get someone to read one of my articles during the next decade.
< 1343329656 742803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1343329677 328315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write articles?
< 1343329690 520326 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343329690 815966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within the next decade, I'm planning on having a degree involving maths and computer science
< 1343329697 521541 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my job
< 1343329732 292659 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a journalist?
< 1343329746 957433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oklopol is a journalist
< 1343329781 342922 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, exactly
< 1343329827 697292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :within next decade i want to get married, have children, leave the state, settle down in a routine of daily work related to indie entertainment, attend a rock concert, humm
< 1343329868 881133 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 3/5
< 1343329891 726664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1
< 1343329898 438254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've left Victoria in the past
< 1343329898 909950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your work is distantly related
< 1343329903 920216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you got married and had kids at a rock concert?
< 1343329911 425123 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive left victoria but i want to leave it properly
< 1343329917 717171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done that
< 1343329920 943436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1343329931 443263 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't
< 1343329932 574135 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean on my todo list
< 1343329932 990274 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all the way in Hexham, Not Victoria right now
< 1343329935 373498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like this place
< 1343329936 309375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the next decade
< 1343329940 71841 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, ok
< 1343329944 484952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not NSW either
< 1343329945 596100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe i should be in hexham
< 1343329950 793075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke, relax)
< 1343329959 966453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you can do that without leaving the state!
< 1343329975 390802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham,_Victoria
< 1343329975 624648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a virtual presence in hexham
< 1343329982 464946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hte
< 1343329994 804827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population 56!
< 1343330000 928388 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population: 	56
< 1343330003 872767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god
< 1343330072 773819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dilston, Tasmania has more than that
< 1343330077 789976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hexham joke)
< 1343330115 37745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also dilston, tasmania joke)
< 1343330151 529194 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343330163 866919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasmanians are odd
< 1343330207 857294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biased view
< 1343331537 983697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to read Catch-22 at some point
< 1343331548 551502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not itidus21 thinking that Tasmanians are odd
< 1343331597 56280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tasmanians are odd due to them being humans not due to them being tasmanian :|
< 1343331600 308811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343331605 38848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1343331632 768774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm listening to
< 1343331641 156054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like it's in the Albert Hall
< 1343331692 235518 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i learned that theres a kickstarter which is doing everything i wanted to do but didn't, and doing it likely  better than i would have
< 1343331726 855614 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, itidus21, do you want to start a video game company with me?
< 1343331734 374073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your dream, right?
< 1343331920 647449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was right, and who was wrong? Well, I'm supposed to be an adult now, and I still can't completely figure that one out. But at some point, late at night, near sleep, the ideas and the disagreements sort of dissolve, and you're just left with the people. And people were no different then, as they've always been. And always will be. Young girls get their hearts broken. Men and women suffer alone, ove
< 1343331920 972035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r the choices they've made. And young boys, full of confusion... full of fear... full of love and courage... grow up stealthily in their sleep.
< 1343331938 638402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343332056 714672 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that answer means.. its the sort of moment where the wonder years narrator would start talking..
< 1343332145 927183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you are a little kid, you are a bit of everything - artist, scientist, athlete, scholar. Sometimes, it seems life is like a process of giving those things up, one by one. I guess we all have one thing we regret giving up. One thing we really miss. And we gave up because we were too lazy. We couldn't stick it out. Or because we were afraid.
< 1343332400 422154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i see tasmanians as to australia, as canada is to america
< 1343332424 502766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was North Island, New Zealand?
< 1343332447 524319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically canada is part of america :D
< 1343332461 117113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Tasmania is part of Australia?
< 1343332466 771188 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1343332487 756366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrugs
< 1343332505 721046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only knew one guy from there though, so its not really fair to comment
< 1343332510 40179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, using the colloquial meaning of "America" to mean the US, I think North Island, New Zealand is a much better Canada
< 1343332524 168613 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's Mexico?
< 1343332528 314283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i heard rumours about tasmanian
< 1343332529 325854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northern Territory?
< 1343332529 451543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1343332562 734883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah im just being exceptinally dumb today
< 1343332585 432491 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Google wants to straight-up kill the US ISPs...
< 1343332623 103980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, it's the BBC Proms
< 1343332685 411427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tempted to go through the kickstarter and chart my efforts at trying to do everything on their features list
< 1343332823 69545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.00 5Mbps internet is something.
< 1343332836 879600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1343332850 569743 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is $70/mo 1Gbps.
< 1343332866 594995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google free
< 1343332891 538969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I presume this is US-only, or maybe US + Canada only
< 1343332906 167955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1343332912 524874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Kansas City only ATM.
< 1343332920 73727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just wanna see if i made any rants about google in here
< 1343332924 559786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, including the little bit in Kansas?
< 1343332932 216217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i writing the hackego query right?
< 1343332933 944857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, KC KS and KC MO.
< 1343332934 161567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google free
< 1343332937 968006 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1343332940 451348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If successful (damned well better be) it'll go elsewhere
< 1343332949 455363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im after any lines which contain the words google and free
< 1343332952 375874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-06-19.txt:15:03:02:  if you google free software, you get relevant results
< 1343332961 970975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343332994 532225 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get it to do a list of log results
< 1343333000 855844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn im forgetting how it all works
< 1343333008 816989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`postlog google free
< 1343333011 84216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: postlog: not found
< 1343333059 790871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there was only 1 result
< 1343333072 775086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog google
< 1343333081 102515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-17.txt:20:05:21:  (this is despite the fact that when I answer such questions I almost always use google)
< 1343333106 978975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1343333108 911703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1343333155 523296 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs google free
< 1343333158 182739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found
< 1343333319 324526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that in China, workers for google free political prisoners
< 1343333341 582639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found it
< 1343333367 106359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google free
< 1343333373 608379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7723
< 1343333388 958535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I got bored of Sheldon... on the comic for the 9th of March, 2012
< 1343333388 977845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343333409 4950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google*free
< 1343333416 308787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6503
< 1343333441 496428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google*free
< 1343333448 314878 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32401
< 1343333461 651003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google.*free
< 1343333463 775821 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what comic?
< 1343333468 439085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheldon
< 1343333469 636386 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9443
< 1343333478 402855 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1343333518 301244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I install Ubuntu on a computer, how hard is it to then install Windows on it as well at a later date?
< 1343333520 210744 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/x74gh/arcades_need_to_make_a_comeback_ive_decided_to/
< 1343333520 529923 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google.*evil
< 1343333527 720090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22094
< 1343333528 409220 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! Arcades need to make a comeback!
< 1343333547 752651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends had that idea
< 1343333548 609237 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sick of companies trying to milk me for cash with empty Pavlovian hooks!
< 1343333559 556429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried playing Mario Kart Arcade 2.
< 1343333561 827597 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was weird
< 1343333565 229345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And expensive
< 1343333621 872873 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ms Pacman was playable!?
< 1343333627 76252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: its actually more healthy
< 1343333651 520219 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in a time when people will bitch about basically any pay model other than a single flat fee the only reason arcades can be seen as respectable is through rose-tinted goggles.
< 1343333652 291709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by travelling to the arcade you get your daily vitamin d sunlight, and a motivation to stop playing
< 1343333763 742338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs people.*like.*google
< 1343333769 922587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14338
< 1343333775 283192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it cost money.
< 1343333780 380121 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it's away from home
< 1343333788 181439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, there's nasty people who hog the tetris
< 1343333798 256820 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good to get away from home a bit
< 1343333827 505028 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just go for a walk of your own volition rather than acting like a rat in a maze.
< 1343333833 211252 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just putting that out there.
< 1343333848 776918 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think so
< 1343333851 540019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1343333890 965805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my friends, I have one who lives pretty much one my street, and one who lives 3 or 4 miles away
< 1343333899 667934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tough times we live in, unlike pre-civilization
< 1343333907 621850 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't leave me hanging, dammit.
< 1343333923 754806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1343333934 712984 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh's like, 3 or 4 miles away from Hexham, right?
< 1343333967 774302 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, these days you can't go for a walk for fear of dangerous wildlife everywhere and a total lack of infrastructure.
< 1343333971 211686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: after i heard a guy died in an internet cafe due to being hooked like a labrat
< 1343333991 793734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Phantom__Hoover, I have a friend who lives just under 100 miles away
< 1343333994 472491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAPPY NOW
< 1343333999 546567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seriously started to wonder about how bad things are
< 1343334030 487772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am encouraged to eat due to diabetes :D
< 1343334036 991459 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they had it much easier 300 years ago when nobody got addicted to anything.
< 1343334052 899147 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone spent their life going on fulfilling nature walks.
< 1343334111 403970 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible things aren't going to stop happening just because the context has changed, and just because they now happen in different ways doesn't mean the context is to blame.
< 1343334120 837801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what you mean
< 1343334129 193220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps has started doing cycling directions
< 1343334136 817227 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343334140 316388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't want me to cycle up Allendale Road
< 1343334143 311240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343334147 513143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it's pretty steep
< 1343334154 785532 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Taneb has just demonstrated, these are the days of miracle and wonder.
< 1343334170 914392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to be up that hill anyway
< 1343334171 557709 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you're lucky it's not telling you to catch any ferries.
< 1343334178 228346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343334185 614391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a ferry...
< 1343334193 407389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is itidus21 saying the past was better
< 1343334195 777802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the nearest ferry would be 25 miles in  the other direction
< 1343334223 23427 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you've seen the thing where the walking instructions between any two points sufficiently far apart in the UK will go via Ireland.
< 1343334224 812897 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*)
< 1343334228 787884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  i only half said it before i was corrected 
< 1343334231 132459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not)
< 1343334257 430530 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because it doesn't count ferries in its distance calculations.
< 1343334272 742405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wants me to take about 4 ferries
< 1343334290 44966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Edinburgh to Oxford. First two sufficiently far apart places I thought of)
< 1343334325 927932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing google maps should do is indicate human wayfarers on maps
< 1343334335 638466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^in directions
< 1343334351 745335 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try John O' Groats to Land's End.
< 1343334356 506780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Troon -> Larne, Larne -> Stranraer, Stranraer -> Belfast, Belfast -> Liverpool)
< 1343334356 778547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343334377 252442 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad part is that I think I've been on three of those ferries.
< 1343334417 840183 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, John o' Groats to Land's End takes you through France.
< 1343334447 914731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Google Maps, John O'Groats isn't in Lizard Point
< 1343334475 986415 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also stops over in Mann.
< 1343334502 815414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like, 2 and a quarter different countries!
< 1343334502 929417 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this route encompasses all the major constituents of the British Isles.
< 1343334510 884980 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I guess it doesn't go through Wales.
< 1343334511 609340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Wight?
< 1343334518 710235 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say 'major' though.
< 1343334529 179411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN LINDESFARNE!?
< 1343334545 70626 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fuck, where is Lindesfarne.)
< 1343334547 775073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMERLY CENTRE OF BRITISH CHRISTIANITY
< 1343334560 608788 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the east coast right?
< 1343334567 421195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343334582 525261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of not really an island
< 1343334587 250063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an island in high tide
< 1343334595 388440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish
< 1343334602 573217 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it this thing called 'Holy Island'.
< 1343334609 831117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of
< 1343334613 851852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy Island's the village
< 1343334617 924423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The island's Lindesfarne
< 1343334623 208318 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found it easily because the English coast is so boring.)
< 1343334633 398803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, it is, isn't it?)
< 1343334654 881135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch a train to the station, walk 2 km to the bridge across the lake. Locate the old hermit under the bridge, he will give you safe passage to the mystical grotto.
< 1343334655 732243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that why you let us have up to the Tweed? Does it all get interesting after the Tweed?)
< 1343334698 83618 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's still pretty boring up to the Forth.
< 1343334706 575701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many google cars ran out of fuel searching for the mystical grotto.
< 1343334716 339793 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we have up to the Forth, then?
< 1343334717 947531 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are on your own now.
< 1343334742 51698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1343334753 205497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh's South of the Forth, isn't it
< 1343334775 605827 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's still on the interesting part of the coast.
< 1343334779 930620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's every major city in Canada
< 1343334861 256910 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so weird when you look at the map and realise that most of the UK's parallel with the Hudson Bay.
< 1343334910 416867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like North America slipped south but kept its weather
< 1343334946 926159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Europe north
< 1343334948 848954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too
< 1343334959 688690 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably better, gulf stream and all
< 1343334964 264648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directions to this location are restricted. login with your google account and we will email the directions to you.
< 1343334973 517716 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you know I think technically the northwest of Scotland is actually a separate island.
< 1343334981 480055 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any break in the water in the Great Glen.
< 1343335022 392911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the Great Glen is the same thing as the Norwegian Fjords and the coast of Newfoundland?
< 1343335040 88799 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.
< 1343335057 3900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth would be so much more boring if there was no water
< 1343335062 540154 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the same geotectonomatic thing, yeay.
< 1343335064 961926 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah
< 1343335067 893738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, for a start there'd be no life
< 1343335106 782828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any idiot could just walk from A to B
< 1343335118 150128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a boat or a plane
< 1343335120 165861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could find an idiot, yeah
< 1343335183 942072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah water. you provide is with life, refreshment, icecubes, showers, and continents
< 1343335190 428525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^us
< 1343335201 141884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rain
< 1343335212 348264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clouds :-s
< 1343335228 352915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and swimming
< 1343335242 354330 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish
< 1343335258 20419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishing, surfing, boating, skiing, snow, snowmen
< 1343335264 713421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god.. its the gift that keeps on giving
< 1343335315 460734 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but um I thought fjords were isomorphic to firths
< 1343335342 103373 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1343335350 210356 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they're not.
< 1343335374 357699 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait they are but not quite.
< 1343335406 338933 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343335419 329087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice skating, igloos, sodapop, hydroelectricity
< 1343335468 613752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfalls, fountains, weird russian computers
< 1343335575 230658 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget, a convenient strong polar solvent.
< 1343335945 935331 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1343335956 584078 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've managed to compile Brogue for iPad
< 1343335972 4742 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad thing is that it does not render anything
< 1343335974 300875 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;d
< 1343336301 28810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue on ipad sounds awful... the mouse control needs pretty fine precision
< 1343336307 806727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than most other roguelikes though i guess
< 1343336317 212620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you added a zoomed viewport, crawl-style
< 1343336324 280423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how far have you gotten in brogue?
< 1343336530 143810 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came back with the amulet
< 1343336542 226028 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never got deeper than 26
< 1343336778 636627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1343336782 595838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't managed to get the amulet yet :(
< 1343336786 186208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best game splatted on D:21
< 1343336819 220175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a really good game with +8 regen, +3 wisdom, staff of lightning [5], and a naga and troll for allies
< 1343336824 626976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it died due to my stupidity and some bad turns
< 1343336840 179038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+8 regen = you refill your HP in 32 turns, not 300-ish)
< 1343336850 909257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from 0)
< 1343336870 736653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is that from 1%? whatever)
< 1343336908 385556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-79-78.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight
< 1343336935 732132 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1343336944 96673 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game I finished was quite lucky
< 1343337008 248018 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had +7 War Axe
< 1343337030 501255 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +3 runic armor [8]
< 1343337051 72792 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +4 ring of transference
< 1343337057 988896 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ some staves
< 1343337087 911142 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just meeled everything and tried to get to lvl 26 as fast as I can 
< 1343337106 364974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what runic? unidentified? (what armour type?)
< 1343337110 364238 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing that lvl 26 was really calm, I encountered only two bloats
< 1343337116 196251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, bloats
< 1343337125 389678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the standard wisdom is to clear up to D:20 and then dive for the amulet
< 1343337183 146927 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR it was banded mail of absorbtion
< 1343337217 766537 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh
< 1343337350 637401 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I will try to get some lumenstones
< 1343337371 566135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I hear that plate mail is better than any other armour
< 1343337379 503503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of enchantment or runic
< 1343337382 173644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the armour formula
< 1343337617 804055 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have enough str
< 1343337709 496789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah
< 1343337714 282495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: enchanting an item reduces its str penalties, though
< 1343337723 142644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you enchant up a war pike or whatever you can use it really early on
< 1343337732 657749 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343337744 525424 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I put +7 on the war axe
< 1343337749 910710 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relied on transference
< 1343337925 210387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear transference is considered not very good... not sure why
< 1343337995 951648 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid iPad
< 1343338003 551047 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game loop runs flawlessly
< 1343338010 637445 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that i see black screen
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< 1343338518 808737 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. I'm trying to write some kind of web enabled roguelike in js
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< 1343342431 848461 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343342462 903243 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my js 'screen driver' works quite fast
< 1343342574 63507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i should get nooga to write my brogue patch for me
< 1343342705 862909 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the patch?
< 1343342865 872108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i am trying to write a patch to add broadcast/spectating support so you can broadcast games and other people can watch
< 1343342869 287892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is lonely not having that from crawl
< 1343343154 330051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1343343292 928907 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343343301 416779 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1343343317 367789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy this Humble Music Bundle thing just for TMBG's cover of Tubthumping.
< 1343343318 710380 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that js display that i'm writing
< 1343343331 755882 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be ideal for that
< 1343343343 750287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well, the idea is to spectate with brogue itself
< 1343343349 65731 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343343355 966653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a browser backend thing to brogue would be viable too I think
< 1343343405 772879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, brogue collects all the changes that it makes to the screen before displaying them
< 1343343431 157846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's my plan for spectating
< 1343343438 949253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply hook into each display and write it to the network toot
< 1343343445 879194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder part is adjusting the main loop for *spectating*
< 1343343452 638583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have to bypass the normal game loop stuff
< 1343343497 609410 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write another view for that
< 1343343514 820338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to define computer game. so far stuck on "interactive software which has no output except for the user interface, and" which isn't going to hold
< 1343343525 626033 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would simply display the changes 
< 1343343573 233696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah, the problem is that it still needs a main loop of some kind, and I still need to handle keypresses from the platform code
< 1343343577 375543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can quit
< 1343343590 672158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: save files are output
< 1343343596 516656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343343596 881684 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1343343601 668356 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed xcode
< 1343343624 163966 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to open it to see the code
< 1343343661 757127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. and i disagree personally with interactive
< 1343343683 936691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe a movie can be an extreme example of a game
< 1343343719 141242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking continuums make it hard to categorize things
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< 1343343819 18831 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
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< 1343343900 388521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the ultimately linear game would be about Warsaw's subway system
< 1343343927 482565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: anyway ideally it would be able to synchronise *visible game state* rather than terminal output, because broadcasting each little twinkle of water is inefficient, but...
< 1343343943 600175 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343343948 669212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not good enough at natural language to express exactly what i am thinking but i am going to try anyway
< 1343343995 376471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing about game is that it is only a subset of computer programs
< 1343344048 62043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the program utilizes audio, video, input, output, networking, it cannot be determined if it is a game
< 1343344087 305449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a subjective thing
< 1343344235 155999 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i am concerned, among the worst programs in the world are retail business data entry programs
< 1343344244 346550 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the worst case the whole screen weights circa 33,2 kB
< 1343344313 248250 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, it could be squished into 26,5kB
< 1343344362 614211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well only updates are sent so it is a bit better
< 1343344372 309743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is a lot better than your average YouTube video :p
< 1343344459 239240 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we'd also need a server, at least to list the active games
< 1343344524 31466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already have a server and the server software itself would be pretty eays
< 1343344527 458574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to hack up a python script
< 1343344528 781454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easy
< 1343344625 635508 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sputters slightly more at Google Fiber

< 1343344626 571630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's symmetric.
< 1343344695 866497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the first thing to ever make me think "if only I lived in kansas city"
< 1343344756 646179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1343345166 828529 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking kansers
< 1343345254 440814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically they are launching it in two cities
< 1343345261 375209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are named kansas city bot only one is in kansas
< 1343345287 413216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343345381 955388 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world
< 1343345452 942144 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admire how the nicks on the right of my screen manage to form a collection together
< 1343345862 244872 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm, I just checked the code 
< 1343345882 225587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too!
< 1343345887 170889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been doing a lot of checking the code
< 1343345891 63249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly little writing it, but i am getting there
< 1343345897 540311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO.c is sort of a mess
< 1343345904 756488 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1343345968 46506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am basically writing it messily and hackily and then I will attempt to clean it up once I have demonstrated that the basic principle is sound
< 1343346335 958003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simplelock http://sprunge.us/XNMY
< 1343346345 374547 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_simplelock: 34.6
< 1343346359 907028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that is simple
< 1343346451 776864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill's become weak to locks
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< 1343346489 960448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the example program from the wiki with a longer pause at the beginning
< 1343346651 522216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the funny thing about that lock is that it would lock different programs depending on whether the pause is odd or even length.
< 1343346671 927085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changing the odd-even parity of a rush could trivially beat it
< 1343347039 336102 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
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< 1343347353 471037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: huh
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< 1343348415 304362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nooga: huh
< 1343348517 968089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343348733 605135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/projectfortress/entry/fortress_wrapping_up oh dear
< 1343348848 100812 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an awkward name
< 1343348868 537481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortress?
< 1343349278 88426 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
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< 1343350710 13013 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll go to sleep
< 1343350740 562884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a silly idea
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< 1343351143 820125 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i'm getting old
< 1343351239 373406 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, please let me know if you succeed in sending some data from brogue - I'd love to help with that patch
< 1343351285 745461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! I will certainly push on with it
< 1343351294 783694 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8
< 1343351308 328065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn9
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< 1343354390 23312 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the version of SICP that seems to be making the rounds substantially different from the SICP from MIT?
< 1343354487 754377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Making the rounds"?
< 1343354695 93024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On /r/programming and also the Clojure facebook page linked to it
< 1343354770 475781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sicpebook.wordpress.com/ebook/ it seems it is adequately described here
< 1343355023 567406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343355029 373094 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already using an epub version
< 1343355045 459467 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't touched it in a while though, I should resume
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< 1343357806 239389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1343357808 360924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nsqx is back
< 1343357818 477956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1343357818 962654 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
< 1343357836 719604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Move log); 16:22 . . NSQX (Talk | contribs | block) moved page User:NSQX/CPUFuck.cpp to User:NSQX/CPUFuck.c ‎
< 1343357836 805065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . User:NSQX/CPUFuck.cpp‎; 16:21 . . (+30)‎ . . ‎NSQX (Talk | contribs | block)‎
< 1343358607 648938 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the guy who wanted to use a bot to make a lot of pages?
< 1343358657 315114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Today I tried to type "monkey island".
< 1343358663 819819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it came out "monqy island".
< 1343358670 770675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I confused the two. :-(
< 1343358676 211009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1343358689 993565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's OK. :-)
< 1343358699 348395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1343358773 518266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Anyway, hopefully I won't confuse them again. �-�
< 1343358987 560698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes
< 1343359709 860843 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is NSQX talking to himself?
< 1343359724 809351 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok, I guess that's not so bad. Deciding one thing and then changing his mind if he decides he's wrong
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< 1343371112 320922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest It's required for displaying results as HTML
< 1343371112 340315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343371119 616186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.*1.+9 1r~
< 1343371119 674522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343371133 582912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- binary increment. How it works is left as an exercise for the reader :D
< 1343371213 299196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only involves black magic.
< 1343371570 458193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi?q={100+110+111}{9.*1.%2B9+1r~}m[
< 1343371838 152038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.*1.-9 1r~8 0r~ would be decrement.
< 1343372208 5856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343372208 26226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest said 11h 54m 28s ago: http://esolangs.org/wiki/HELP_(Preprocessor) I find some alternatives rather useful when writing burlesque code.
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< 1343374322 279489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:31  you’re wachaf
< 1343374330 742393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm totally wachaf!
< 1343374339 877073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1343377749 882039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343377749 901407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 12h 19m 21s ago: I got bored of Sheldon... on the comic for the 9th of March, 2012
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< 1343378055 245158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Do you have many of these 95% finished projects?
< 1343378055 302686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343379770 523391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he has seen the characters from today's google doodle somewhere else...

< 1343380069 693318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're definitely _not_ the games mascots
< 1343380101 692366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game mascots are utterly silly btw
< 1343380220 83037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
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< 1343380533 75840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i missed it
< 1343380536 598681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1343380550 725205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter
< 1343380576 916653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could see it on the web if i really cared
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< 1343380854 683876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed what
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< 1343383639 554321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening ceremony
< 1343383791 213491 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343385897 958601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is defaulting to connecting to eu-irc.net for some reason.
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< 1343387210 207465 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cl.ly/image/2D0U1O0k0F2e haha
< 1343387389 556051 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dylan seems to be trying to make a revival
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< 1343387401 343660 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, when does Red Dwarf start to suck?
< 1343387410 890970 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you said season 8 sucks, but seasons before that?
< 1343387410 986647 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Season 7.
< 1343387417 543487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I finished season 7.
< 1343387420 831910 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't so fond of 6 but it's solid enough.
< 1343387458 818992 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a dynamic, statically-typed language too much to ask for?
< 1343387727 383468 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/DeferErrorsToRuntime
< 1343387779 596846 :ogrom!~nask@194.150.65.124 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343387816 731525 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww: "Currently we cannot defer kind errors because we do not create coercions for kind equalities."
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< 1343389055 198900 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?alternatives
< 1343389055 290535 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : alternatives == Modern alternative Systems Langua
< 1343389060 933501 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : !reset alternatives Modern alternative Systems Languages to D: Rust, ATS, Deca, Score, Epoch, Disciple(DDC), Idris
< 1343389076 285941 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to Neat's unconstrained null
< 1343389090 959329 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait that second line got cut off
< 1343389100 832090 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : alternatives == Modern alternative Systems Languages to D: Rust, ATS, Deca, Score, Epoch, Neat, Disciple(DDC), Idris
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< 1343398093 477342 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dylan seems interesting
< 1343398104 175942 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo_ 
< 1343398123 727750 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the ecosystem wasn't so bad that there isn't even a version for 64-bit Windows and no GUI stuff for anything other than Windows
< 1343398152 995044 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi quintopia 
< 1343398202 540359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever do anything but try new languages
< 1343398234 472415 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally
< 1343398292 510031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what
< 1343398346 440658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote a quick script to make a single HTML file recently.
< 1343398361 217922 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did some stuff in Second Life less recently, and intend to resume that
< 1343398388 822035 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intend to write an IRC bot once Homestuck starts updating again
< 1343398388 945186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1343398836 948621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that yells about updates whenever they happen?
< 1343398843 606557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent there already botsthat do that
< 1343398876 217665 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I want my bot to ping people who opt in, and also do similar for Hussie's twitter and tumblr
< 1343399785 832300 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so bored
< 1343399806 114484 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to get bored more easily when I'm waiting for something than when I don't have anything to do
< 1343400503 409773 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST is UTC+1, right?
< 1343400526 507979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yyeeeessss.... yes.
< 1343400528 460010 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 6 hours give or take to olympics?
< 1343400530 962383 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1343400534 960442 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, see I screwed up there
< 1343400535 940321 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 hours
< 1343400544 622685 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9pm bst)
< 1343400547 716587 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no wait
< 1343400550 963093 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 hours?
< 1343400553 877788 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN MATH
< 1343400608 664112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1343400621 35929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't ;)
< 1343400744 673232 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have some latent dyscalculia but nobody seems to realize it :D
< 1343400825 516179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I do wrong during linear algebra
< 1343400830 57367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-0 = -4
< 1343400865 146775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I do wrong in Analysis: x^2 + (y-4)^2 = 0 <- unsolvable
< 1343400988 3606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually only get 50% of the maximum points because of such little mistakes
< 1343401004 371686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it weren't for partial points I'd failed years ago.
< 1343401392 886764 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
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< 1343403258 942954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With permission of Pender, author of Brogue, I have released a (not the official) port of Brogue as a paid app on the Android market.
< 1343403259 223113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that it is expensively priced to discourage casual purchase, or haphazard installation."
< 1343403264 219777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haphazard installation
< 1343403288 87666 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,wow
< 1343403290 36300 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much
< 1343403328 285169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 1 pound 27 pence is expensive
< 1343403344 14620 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it would be like £30
< 1343403370 807378 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, is it to keep them damn casuals out
< 1343403458 964820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1343403713 174702 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343403738 111913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a game is likely to be installed in such a way that it bricks your phone, of course
< 1343403776 666688 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've bricked twelve phones that way
< 1343403999 454276 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343404060 320842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah
< 1343404152 408219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a joke?
< 1343404253 529650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah
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< 1343405195 851951 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha!
< 1343405248 120929 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do dentists in UK are so bad and expensive?
< 1343405302 27884 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343405451 510614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i don't know. why?
< 1343405495 497705 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in London I got a terrible toothache
< 1343405528 1355 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went to a dentist and the visit was even more terrible than the ache
< 1343405573 5559 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I paid 100 pounds for x-ray photo and hearing that the tooth is broken and it needs to be fixed or extracted
< 1343405594 693498 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first procedure would cost me 270 pounds on top of that 100
< 1343405597 767726 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343405606 636345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1343405617 243985 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the dentist did nothing, she couldn't even prescribe painkillers
< 1343405621 994173 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dentists are expensive because they're only partly funded by the NHS.
< 1343405661 461950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think it's pretty cheap if you're under the NHS's discounts.
< 1343405714 162594 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well - I wasn't
< 1343405716 40231 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT
< 1343405734 371487 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole surgery room was a mess, it looked like taken straight from 60's
< 1343405743 413108 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the chair
< 1343405808 450535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't speak for that, my surgery is dated but in good order.
< 1343405841 993624 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went back to Poland and seen my dentist (private practice) and got the tooth done for something like 60 pounds
< 1343405879 183301 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with modern equipment
< 1343405935 727277 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the airline ticket + the procedure was cheaper than this whole useless visit 
< 1343406069 736036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1343406290 315467 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343406415 496227 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder how is it possible to play brogue on a phone ;/
< 1343406437 222218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what about tablets?
< 1343406454 929025 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm porting it to iPad retina
< 1343406470 522589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work, probably suboptimal though
< 1343406475 554779 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the guy who makes the android port uses some kind of a smartphone
< 1343406482 379193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1343406485 653162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I think it'll work on most things if you have some kind of viewport zooming/scrolling
< 1343406498 420253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can flick around the viewport and it moves with you
< 1343406500 815087 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be pretty annoying
< 1343406514 790660 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :based from what i've seen in HoMM II for android
< 1343406519 687840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure it will /work/ but input is probably terrible unless completely changed
< 1343406526 98356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, HoMM?
< 1343406531 978251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well brogue is pretty mouse-supporting already
< 1343406535 513124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343406535 953536 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :heroes of might and magic
< 1343406549 319398 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SDL port for android
< 1343406551 344925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a mouse is also way more precise than a finger
< 1343406566 555815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thus the zooming
< 1343406584 791651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty clunky
< 1343406603 131149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see roguelikes working on my phone pretty well. it has a hwk with dir pad.
< 1343406614 176632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hwk?
< 1343406629 470824 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah
< 1343406637 411477 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun is killing meeeee
< 1343406684 406384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what do you mean with "hwk"?
< 1343406777 693845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware keyboard
< 1343406781 695736 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89BA6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343406785 486239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well yes that would definitely help
< 1343406798 723354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, now imagine playing it on a phone that is all screen, like the galaxy nexus
< 1343406804 731955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work as well
< 1343406822 434746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd have to adapt the interface for sure
< 1343406826 834572 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's true of all games
< 1343406830 652798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1343406872 604139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but roguelikes dont really require typing things most of the time, so adaptation should be straightforward if effortful
< 1343406893 314366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpad certainly helps, without one you are going to run into issues with making sure the user sees enough of the world on the screen while still keeping it readable and also clickable
< 1343406893 943252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, all actions can be done by tapping instead
< 1343406901 798202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zooming out and in all the time is not that fun
< 1343406965 158088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpads are impractical for existing roguelikes
< 1343406966 994565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, the thing is, tapping is imprecise compared to a mouse. So you need a much larger area to click on than with a mouse
< 1343406968 815186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal movement is incredibly importnat
< 1343406974 628694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: replace the onscreen dpad with the ability to tap a destination and have a route automatically found to it. if you need fine-grained movement, tape the corresponding edge of the screen instead
< 1343406977 590357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway brogue has a good interface for relatively imprecise taps
< 1343406979 335842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assumed he meant a 8 dir dpad?
< 1343407023 64902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: irrelevant. it's a full keyboard. i could use qweasdzxc
< 1343407036 799353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about doing the stuff chrome on android does when you click a link when zoomed out and there are multiple possible links you could have clicked on?
< 1343407043 466890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what s would do tho :P
< 1343407054 852940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing a small pop-upish thing with a zoomed in view of those so you can click which one you meant
< 1343407056 152486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera mini does that too
< 1343407065 303094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it responds a bit slow
< 1343407070 503975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on a Galaxy S3
< 1343407096 479413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? opera mini is great mobile broswer. i use it for half of all surfing
< 1343407103 818342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in chrome at least
< 1343407113 510082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343407115 376864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, opera mini is kind of buggy under ICS wrt multi tasking
< 1343407118 314135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me
< 1343407138 300627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too
< 1343407140 413813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesnt matter
< 1343407153 732578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is annoying enough for me that I don't use opera mini thus
< 1343407192 730610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's easy enough to launch it agaain the regular way, because it's not actually quit, just doesnt show up in the app list all the time.
< 1343407197 111440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always saves all state
< 1343407205 65079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bettter than other broswers
< 1343407214 990844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I had to open the app info and select force close to make it work again a couple of times
< 1343407218 722778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopped using it after that
< 1343407225 902430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i never had that
< 1343407243 899951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to do that with irssi connectbot sometimes
< 1343407277 598382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use dolphin hd when i need private browsing, javascript, or flash
< 1343407281 21469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what does irssi have to do with connectbot?
< 1343407288 316719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it routed through orbot/tor
< 1343407320 194396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "irssi connectbot" is the full name of the app. it is a branch of connectbot
< 1343407326 61158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1343407333 851960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how does it differ from connectbot?
< 1343407350 154646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds support for certain irssi specific gestures
< 1343407369 674720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi gestures eh
< 1343407383 874429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you running irssi locally then? Or remotely?
< 1343407388 587151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like double-tap/camera button to switch to active channel, swipe to move up or down channel number or scroll up and down in the channel
< 1343407393 11226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :remotely
< 1343407428 945165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :your phone seems to have an absurd amount of hardware buttons :P
< 1343407437 385580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what model is it
< 1343407445 424478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have a camera button
< 1343407448 997387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my old phone did
< 1343407450 331778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343407499 426015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a D3. it has a 5-row keyboard, a power button, and a volume up/down switch
< 1343407515 271106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the standard four soft menu buttons below the touchscreen
< 1343407576 668489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi connectbot uses the volume switch to change the screen resolution. regular connectbot probably does the same.
< 1343407685 440667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343407687 877285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :D3?
< 1343407692 300532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brand is that
< 1343407727 229966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway connectbot never had problems with multitasking for me
< 1343407779 451095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the market version of it though, since I decided to write for it not multiplying the font sizes with the DPI scaling factor
< 1343407786 467160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I use the git version
< 1343407802 504122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/write for/write a patch for/
< 1343407869 548978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: motorola. the problem is that every now and then, the alt button quits working, so you can't type symbols without holding it down while typing, which is annoying and nonintuitive by now.
< 1343407919 769286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hardware glitch?
< 1343407925 735872 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or software bug
< 1343407937 835348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: killing and restarting connectbot fixes it.
< 1343407944 691087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343408082 645952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few other things I have been thinking about patching in connectbot
< 1343408111 300250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really help you with the issue you have, since I don't have a hardware alt key, nor a hardware keyboard at all
< 1343408131 986985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want to add is a easy to way to send tab
< 1343408435 996437 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for Brogue session
< 1343408747 961167 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343409071 914552 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343409408 154892 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoooh
< 1343409414 244232 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by jackal at level 4
< 1343409414 992753 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;/
< 1343409499 19528 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343409507 949763 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
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< 1343409537 298236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: a jackal? nice
< 1343409756 264413 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no equipment
< 1343409771 590840 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've missed a machine room 
< 1343411495 100854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343413607 821928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343413968 694818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343414509 170369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343414509 189723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343414574 686639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I've forgotten the context for that
< 1343414609 489571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs say I didn't know it in the first place, but now I do
< 1343414620 296527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Thousands upon thousands
< 1343414620 354424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343415630 883556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi taneb
< 1343415636 334967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1343415636 988580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 
< 1343415642 339476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 
< 1343415868 817833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343416864 428549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, oerjan
< 1343416884 133376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1343416913 342036 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1343417083 82702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-123.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343417091 10109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343417135 13973 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343417265 531959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi10
< 1343417265 551334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pi10.
< 1343417273 534410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where my hat
< 1343417273 553847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about my.
< 1343417274 721351 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1343417514 995025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1343417515 14624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343417519 129775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343417519 149060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 48m 19s ago: Thousands upon thousands
< 1343417524 705333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so.
< 1343417553 165694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses the more clever method of 5% finished projects

< 1343417574 67676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi10?
< 1343417596 623968 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to remember that thing I think it was shachaf made
< 1343417609 889391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What thing?
< 1343417614 809840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pi thing?
< 1343417618 312137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@whereis e10
< 1343417618 370617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: where where+
< 1343417621 866361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e10
< 1343417621 886971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about e10.
< 1343417625 575574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi
< 1343417625 594701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pi.
< 1343417625 860139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10
< 1343417625 879025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417629 465325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10
< 1343417629 484450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(p,q)%d=p*d`div`q;w(p,q)i=(p*i+1,q*i);(x:y:s)^d|y%d>x%d=s^d|0<1=mod(x%d)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show
< 1343417631 58142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That be the one
< 1343417631 323613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11
< 1343417631 342737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417636 779551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That be the three
< 1343417664 106160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417665 670524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
< 1343417740 915537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm (!!1)<$>transpose seems like something that should be simplifable
< 1343417754 128766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Golf it!
< 1343417758 350026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Golf it!
< 1343417770 292165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm too busy deobfuscating it
< 1343417773 997857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd love to get rid of (!!1)<$>transpose
< 1343417783 926837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci
< 1343417793 673631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window?
< 1343417795 781424 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1343417802 300990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417803 330204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["312","31420","314159268","31415926535897940","314159265358979323846264338...
< 1343417810 90598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But keep in mind edge cases of how transpose works.
< 1343417818 375297 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just got a new computer, and I need to get wifi on it
< 1343417826 496649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's really fast and it's scarily fast
< 1343417838 183519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1343417841 277139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm expecting this laptop to be as fast as it
< 1343417941 384416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417944 959641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343417948 349335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417951 926761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343417954 518242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1343417968 88010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1) <$> [show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343417971 636893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343417987 455961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transpose... is there for strictness?
< 1343418003 212718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1343418003 390923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418006 950294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343418023 126542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418026 681149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343418032 537369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1343418073 765983 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@123.122.85.113 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343418073 822707 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@123.122.85.113 QUIT :Changing host
< 1343418073 822838 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343418083 460747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418084 599181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "31220926835897940384626433832796428841971693993751058209749445916078164062...
< 1343418105 853606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why do you need (!!1)
< 1343418107 811864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not pi
< 1343418116 260202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that much
< 1343418131 565264 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close in some places though
< 1343418139 624182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1343418142 54826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it with (!!2)
< 1343418154 70482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!2)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418157 625072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343418166 981137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!2)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418170 538030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343418197 196950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect that's the same as (!!1), after a bit of thought
< 1343418219 923403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (!!1) is because only the _second_ number to give a certain digit is sure to get it right
< 1343418243 247178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11
< 1343418243 266583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1343418252 983648 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1343418280 24468 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who likes SciFi novels?
< 1343418299 694729 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :readers of scifi novels
< 1343418299 719705 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some of them?
< 1343418367 190460 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem_XIV
< 1343418405 720620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've got Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, Second Foundation, AND The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge to read!
< 1343418432 806433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok (!!1)<$>transpose is actually very clever for the purpose and i'm not sure it can be improved upon
< 1343418626 872127 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1343418631 239330 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like perl
< 1343418657 664035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obfuscated/golfed, of course
< 1343418763 169768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0.&.)
< 1343418764 68805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `Data.Bits..&.' [infixl 7] of a section
< 1343418764 87397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lower p...
< 1343418784 362450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0*)
< 1343418785 298743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `GHC.Num.*' [infixl 7] of a section
< 1343418785 317329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lower prece...
< 1343418792 963424 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info $
< 1343418792 984576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :($)
< 1343418798 977888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ($)
< 1343418798 996890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ x = f x
< 1343418804 491482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fixity ($)
< 1343418804 513746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1343418813 94032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0$)
< 1343418813 999537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `GHC.Base.$' [infixr 0] of a section
< 1343418814 17853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lower prec...
< 1343418835 722860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick works precisely because $ has that fixity, even for $ itself
< 1343418866 807699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of the way ghc gives precedence errors
< 1343418886 529261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343418989 638256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is just an arbitrary atomic expression, of course, since this never gets to the type checking stage
< 1343419464 305508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone else is not watching the ceremony

< 1343419496 808045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm watching a guy from ##crawl almost die in acehack
< 1343419515 237477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a fine connoiseur of entertainment
< 1343419525 472067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful
< 1343419595 537711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1).transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343419598 76484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
< 1343419600 892142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Except that's lambdabot-cheating.
< 1343419619 535967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know.  i wasn't even bothering to suggest it :P
< 1343419722 630973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [8-i.&.3*4| i <- [0..3]]
< 1343419723 593565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints:
< 1343419723 612230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `Data.Bits.Bits t'
< 1343419723 612396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     ...
< 1343419730 421778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [8-i.&.3*4| i <- [0..3::Int]]
< 1343419731 326346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [8,4,0,-4]
< 1343419776 676821 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343419814 280275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk has a file with a history that pi_10 went through.
< 1343419840 82101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's pretty golfed, then
< 1343419898 514563 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I saw a comment where someone said that it's ridiculous that Americans value having above-average pay because everyone should have that.
< 1343419905 689742 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343419910 719353 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343420111 579779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11
< 1343420111 638518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1343420123 6318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well they probably meant lowering the baseline so that everybody has what would have been considered above-average beforehand?
< 1343420166 566555 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... "I don’t know what the USA is like by bragging about being paid ‘above-average’ wage isn’t particularly a good thing in any industry; you should all have it."
< 1343420183 818379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't really sound like they're saying the average American wage is too low.
< 1343420222 154600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])|n<-[0..]]
< 1343420225 400683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["32","312","31420","314159268","31415926535897940","3141592653589793238462...
< 1343420225 948765 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89BA6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343420258 944068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])|n<-[0..]]
< 1343420262 522296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1343420274 206128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10
< 1343420274 225349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
< 1343420302 45717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])|n<-[0..]]
< 1343420343 916607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's slightly shorter, but too hard for lambdabot to calculate?
< 1343420898 125033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8
< 1343421076 75837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've turned my factorial program into ART
< 1343421111 920479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was art already
< 1343421122 643303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7u5samb5G1rysy5go1_500.png
< 1343421130 431899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCARY ART
< 1343421159 309847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that's scary
< 1343421201 515510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your goal in creating such a ridiculous factorial program
< 1343421230 246447 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably find a different channel.
< 1343421252 204593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you misinterpret me
< 1343421271 112117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it is a plea for help
< 1343421274 231959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me i'm trapped in an unsafePerformIO factory
< 1343421282 49382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is: under what constraints was it written
< 1343421311 663948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, it's a demonstration that Applicatives are really powerful
< 1343421323 189151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when combined with unsafeCoerce
< 1343421352 634363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I just had some fun with it
< 1343421377 465424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Applicative (-> r), hth
< 1343421384 758868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1343421385 706209 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth?
< 1343421392 125870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((->) r)
< 1343421395 866564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quintopia: Applicative (r ->), hth
< 1343421401 63192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:hth
< 1343421402 56996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor
< 1343421407 89682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps
< 1343421409 569035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1343421418 719810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't think I use fmap at all
< 1343421423 586936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would knowing haskell help
< 1343421429 111665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I do
< 1343421433 852222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, misread.
< 1343421436 736760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, kinda
< 1343421437 226357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would knowing any categorry theory at all help
< 1343421441 879095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not
< 1343421456 488065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell made up Applicatives
< 1343421459 85734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gory cats
< 1343421484 524489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they're supposedly equivalent to something categorical about products (tuples)
< 1343421492 348969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by haskell you mean conor mcbride
< 1343421501 398926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: empty :: f (); pair :: f a -> f b -> f (a,b)
< 1343421508 384452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is equivalent, in Haskell, because all Haskell functors are strong, IIRC
< 1343421514 320459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :applicatives are ... strong lax monoidal functors?
< 1343421522 842677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that was the term
< 1343421535 672316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure x = fmap (const x) empty?
< 1343421551 319899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, or empty <$ x
< 1343421561 972506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*>) goes along the same lines too, it's simple to define
< 1343421565 247412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343421569 144007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1343421610 157831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* x <$ empty, i think
< 1343421614 545047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$)
< 1343421615 934460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *) b. (Functor f) => a -> f b -> f a
< 1343421626 182181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or empty $> x?
< 1343421628 783033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($>)
< 1343421629 680204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `$>'
< 1343421631 699134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343421746 420015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>$)
< 1343421747 368010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `>$'
< 1343421753 73942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1343421777 897899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$> is a thing
< 1343421806 918274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike <* vs. *> it's not really needed, however, because there is only one action so there's no alternative order to perform them in
< 1343421843 7795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*)
< 1343421843 927519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f a
< 1343421845 967578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*>)
< 1343421846 873118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f b
< 1343422200 877730 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1343422876 770285 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1343422880 260821 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :still golfing?
< 1343422910 929093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, we're discussing obfuscation and art now
< 1343423093 60636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7u5samb5G1rysy5go1_500.png
< 1343423221 584174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's with all the |s in that code?
< 1343423246 635159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, bad rendering
< 1343423249 76328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be (s
< 1343423276 74049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only the code is obfuscated!
< 1343423316 421190 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ...why is that hosted on tumblr.
< 1343423328 167583 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because I posted it on my tumblr
< 1343423334 515678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOWHERE ELSE
< 1343423344 259403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/CHIS
< 1343423353 49701 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 24.0
< 1343423359 379310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowoweewow
< 1343423371 925231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i break
< 1343423385 905263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I see your TV Tropes page.
< 1343423394 848017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of those?
< 1343423397 929532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah
< 1343423416 141305 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think you have it bad, there's no way in hell the subtitler would get my name right.
< 1343423473 759621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1343423480 936565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subversion of "This is not a drill" was a bit scary
< 1343423496 496990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on an aeroplane and the oxygen masks came down
< 1343423510 990390 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite scary
< 1343423525 535091 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343423530 292836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, where was that?
< 1343423530 734524 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343423535 487246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have GOT to stop doing that
< 1343423536 428029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once woke up in the middle of the night with my heart pounding and a sharp pain in the left-middle part of my chest
< 1343423546 674480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i didn't die i concluded i'd probably pulled a muscle
< 1343423565 363163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, somewhere over Asia, I believe
< 1343423576 864669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asia or Europe
< 1343423579 461476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurasia
< 1343423600 655017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I was referring to your tvtropes page
< 1343423632 822609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Taneb
< 1343423674 8114 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, there are some things a man should be able to keep to himself)
< 1343423683 868902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I HAVE MADE A TERRIBLE ERROR IN JUDGEMENT)
< 1343423691 992725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OH NO)
< 1343423710 181463 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IS IT ABOUT ME?)
< 1343423724 151611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE "SEX COD" NAME IS IRONIC)
< 1343423744 911854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having your presence elsewhere online dragged up is always embarassing!
< 1343423788 297838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/BXBY
< 1343423791 72958 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 34.9
< 1343423799 69438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343423823 588222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm me online
< 1343423847 748101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go up to me in real life with a webcam and a website saying "THIS IS TANEB IN REAL LIFE", that would be embarrassing
< 1343423857 213313 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But online, I'm just one person
< 1343423865 831671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, three.
< 1343423870 862664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really just one.
< 1343423887 38726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple web personality disorder.
< 1343423922 998985 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of places I go by "askit0"
< 1343423936 335587 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam, for one
< 1343423946 293003 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a username I use when I want to be secret
< 1343423950 791090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it "ngevd"
< 1343423952 937206 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343423955 43441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1343423956 18009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1343423995 72155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nathan gollum elliott van doorn
< 1343424012 441803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The G stands for George
< 1343424025 279573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll remember that for a couple of minutes
< 1343424034 240026 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How crazy would it be if it stood for Gregor or something
< 1343424042 34895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something here being glogbot
< 1343424043 170409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :total madness
< 1343424337 101285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
< 1343424338 560792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-227.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343424423 249370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1343424675 159901 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust a http://sprunge.us/CieJ
< 1343424678 456631 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_a: 65.1
< 1343424682 679644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better
< 1343424791 429769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name
< 1343424899 904928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i could only do decoy size detection i could beat everything :P
< 1343425996 404187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages
< 1343425996 423941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1d 10h 42m 49s ago: There's no Peanoid or Copeanoid instance for Int8
< 1343425996 442666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 1d 9h 57m 52s ago: Neither does Word64
< 1343426023 341736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oops! Maybe I made a mistake
< 1343426211 275025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-BIT seems down again; do you know when they are up again, or did they change the port number without notifying me or something like that?
< 1343426357 141510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://x-bit.org/ftelnet/ does not seem to work, so I would assume they are just temporarily down, since the website works?
< 1343426473 496546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the computer is not down only the telnet service is down.
< 1343426538 978745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping(1) says so, yes.
< 1343427025 85043 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wodner if one could try to breed bfjoust warriors using genetic algorithms
< 1343427047 158246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been tried repeatedly
< 1343427048 542720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to poor results
< 1343427053 24868 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343427056 468315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depending on your definition of genetic
< 1343427060 557715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe fizzie's was catually genteic
< 1343427062 878775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually genetic
< 1343427109 889669 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15 < Taneb> (IS IT ABOUT ME?) <-- it looks like an ancient s-exp
< 1343427339 868101 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-119-52.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343428988 986408 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343429103 807128 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343429129 622262 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343429147 984473 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hullo.
< 1343429154 449679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome LorenzoVon
< 1343429163 577057 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1343429164 875976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LorenzoVon: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1343429190 539279 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what,
< 1343429194 755470 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like...
< 1343429200 926421 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python
< 1343429227 271969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LorenzoVon: See wiki for information
< 1343429239 767824 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok!
< 1343429334 323668 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said to someone else the other day... the esolang community exists to try to create a programming language more ludicrous and unusable than Haskell.
< 1343429338 983122 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have yet to succeed.
< 1343429346 23188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is neither ludicrous nor unusable
< 1343429355 831664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like that joke is neither accurate nor amusing
< 1343429392 120661 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well you /would/ say that
< 1343429407 126782 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha!
< 1343429412 176637 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this
< 1343429427 801953 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1343429435 407858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i am far from the only haskell programmer here :P
< 1343429442 619982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, obviously, on account of it being a correct summary.
< 1343429471 729521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thank you for the implication that correctness is typical of me
< 1343429490 767254 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, you misunderstand.
< 1343429503 471336 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would say correct things, but you would also say incorrect things.
< 1343429512 299262 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter more often, obviously.
< 1343429530 562822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i take back my gratitude and replace your brain with a brick
< 1343429558 957008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little do you realise that I have unbounded brick/brain interchange abilities.
< 1343429570 337162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote the one-line definition of an esolang on the wiki, clearly i have infinite domain over what can be classed as an esolang or not
< 1343429575 507593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear my wrathful power
< 1343429580 297482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there's someone new
< 1343429581 350873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi LorenzoVon
< 1343429585 894758 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have semi-infinite domain
< 1343429589 719972 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi LorenzoVon 
< 1343429593 778002 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're a Poisson distribution
< 1343429600 235717 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm less than zero)
< 1343429615 353262 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi LorenzoVon, don't even think about making an awful xkcd reference like soundnfury just did
< 1343429618 169194 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/12
< 1343429620 361339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a brainfuck derivative
< 1343429627 802213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh you linked it why why why
< 1343429635 288385 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to annoy you
< 1343429639 774002 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
< 1343429647 305368 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people who don't like xkcd references MUST be annoyed AT ALL TIMES
< 1343429654 876190 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1343429662 126629 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers,
< 1343429665 640242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers,
< 1343429671 436179 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit
< 1343429676 192596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343429678 449724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: please, try being constructive
< 1343429678 469275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343429685 202804 :LorenzoVon!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: stuff
< 1343429695 64248 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that chick who once wandered here because she thought that the channel is about magic & stuff?
< 1343429698 90939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, req. soundnfury be banned for noobscaring
< 1343429712 677511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I don't remember any of them being female.
< 1343429716 410879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: if by "that chick" you mean "about 50 people", yes
< 1343429716 783981 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noobscaring" == saying rude things about Haskell?
< 1343429726 896994 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen only one huh
< 1343429729 152833 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making xkcd references
< 1343429737 243717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: have you ever seen Lazy K? it has the same issues as Haskell, and more besides
< 1343429737 948785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: No, it's "caring about noobs"
< 1343429751 114569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kick ais523 for anti-haskell sentiment :)
< 1343429758 686107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, kick me!
< 1343429765 26827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly ICA > Haskell
< 1343429766 41226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL? MORE LIKE DUMBSKELL
< 1343429773 310209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on what you're using it for
< 1343429787 496870 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSKEL
< 1343429793 79429 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :L
< 1343429794 217981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343429794 237874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 1d 4h 53m 43s ago: I thought killing a monster with a pet didn't give you death drops, re: gnomes and candles?
< 1343429794 257014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 2h 27m 43s ago: please fix the thing whereby you can't see which monsters you detected with the spell
< 1343429794 257151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 2h 27m 39s ago: pure interface screw
< 1343429794 275233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 2h 27m 28s ago: of course, they should be noted in some way to not be the current state of the level, say by greying them out
< 1343429794 275386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 23h 38m 32s ago: also please fix wresting
< 1343429806 818460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1343429810 809933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot i said those
< 1343429818 231554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please fix wrestling, ais523.
< 1343429823 292182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesson: don't let me watch a nethack game or i'll complain about it to ais523
< 1343429852 994861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally find past-level-state marks more confusing than useful
< 1343429856 941355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, an admirable goal considering how painful it is in DF.
< 1343429863 276151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, they should be accesible in /some/ way
< 1343429863 800046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate them in Crawl…
< 1343429865 135956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait did I say painful I mean awesome.
< 1343429870 703958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rather than making you memorise where the monsters were
< 1343429871 152138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this lead to a flamewar that pretty much killed TAEB development
< 1343429874 400231 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, please implement DF's wrestling system.
< 1343429878 892247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say, by pressing a key to bring up the screen you saw when last detecting monsters
< 1343429885 441041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's more reasonable
< 1343429887 884599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot of work
< 1343429900 481552 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was TAEB again?
< 1343429904 82785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack bot
< 1343429907 971360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tactical amulet extraction bot
< 1343429928 373468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (do you have any wresting plans; please don't say no; "removal" is perfectly acceptable)
< 1343429949 19337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, maybe I'll copy it from Slash'EM
< 1343429952 286194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hmm, what specific thing is confusing about the system?
< 1343429964 64499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just that they're displayed the same way as monsters usually are?
< 1343429982 700904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does slash'em do
< 1343429987 862682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even greyed-out, it frequently confuses newbies to Crawl, and I personally dislike it because there's no easy way to tell the age of the information
< 1343429993 940145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't, I just wanted an amusing response
< 1343429997 414513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few things it doesn't have :)
< 1343430003 173674 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343430008 244599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was very worried
< 1343430021 398122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see that wresting adds any value, really
< 1343430023 658051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back LorenzoVonSmashi
< 1343430032 475868 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back!
< 1343430069 121307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore soundnfury, he is bad, we are nice people
< 1343430069 281790 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1343430091 741205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're nice? :(
< 1343430115 131580 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1343430204 90082 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm nice too :'(
< 1343430273 395269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice people don't quote xkcd inappropriately
< 1343430303 487683 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh,
< 1343430314 562436 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't
< 1343430339 929842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds

< 1343430386 729336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks LorenzoVonSmashi is mixing up the space and return keys

< 1343430515 327498 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's
< 1343430539 883044 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick
< 1343430564 634391 :LorenzoVonSmashi!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net NICK :VonSmashington
< 1343430614 355468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * oerjan makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds
< 1343430618 208472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :854) * oerjan makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds
< 1343430755 353048 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
< 1343430769 136027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343430806 666854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington, OK now, remember: press the long key between words, not the tall one.
< 1343430893 870979 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait,i,might,have,misprogrammed,my,client.Is,it,unfailingly,doing,that,or,is,it,only,sometimes?also,could,someone,double,check,his,statement,for,me?
< 1343430908 841621 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence,the,comma,delimiter)
< 1343430937 224087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: you made your own client?  i suspect you forgot to put a : before the message part of the PRIVMSG
< 1343430940 634217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's consistently doing that.
< 1343430942 179460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: yes, that works
< 1343430948 932036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far all of your message have been exactly one word long :)
< 1343430958 741884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the comma ones
< 1343430988 463082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan
< 1343430989 978723 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about now, is this better?
< 1343430991 530284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoerjan: not found
< 1343431000 27647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "quote oerjan" > bin/quoerjan; chmod +x bin/quoerjan
< 1343431000 751478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: yes!
< 1343431001 235164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better
< 1343431003 513748 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1343431004 426470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan
< 1343431008 730015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 18)  oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 21)  In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 22) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE:  In an alternate
< 1343431015 93904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get a random quote?
< 1343431041 724472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a regexp?  i don't think that's supported.
< 1343431051 589403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431055 101297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :90)  I seem to think of coaxial cables as being omnipotent somehow.
< 1343431056 856148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a random quote
< 1343431063 223018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A random quoerjan.
< 1343431069 678723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quørjan
< 1343431082 239424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quorjan | shuf -n 1
< 1343431083 212260 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo!
< 1343431085 323562 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: quorjan: command not found
< 1343431090 700766 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then i'll repost my previous message
< 1343431092 5270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quoerjan | shuf -n 1
< 1343431095 210972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :22) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE:  In an alternate universe, I would say "In an alternate universe, ehird has taste"
< 1343431099 182028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a quoerjandom?
< 1343431117 829534 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the client i've programmed doesn't show formatting, only raw unicode tcp data sent by the server. this usually is understandible, but since this is a programming channel, I'm slightly worried as to whether the server's formatting/whois data will trick me into ignoring programming jargon.
< 1343431123 14944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "quoerjan | shuf -n 1" > bin/quoerjandom; chmod +x bin/quoerjandom
< 1343431126 494796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1343431127 345490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom
< 1343431131 409531 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
< 1343431135 962554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is surprised he remembered that syntax right

< 1343431148 776785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom
< 1343431149 80907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom
< 1343431149 324553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom
< 1343431149 627274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a surprisingly specific command
< 1343431155 241084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prevlog avocado
< 1343431156 389930 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :408)  Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...]  we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that.  which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly.
< 1343431163 634472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: prevlog: not found
< 1343431166 92587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, it's not that, is it?
< 1343431167 555036 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :201)  oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better?
< 1343431167 878657 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :771)  Why does CL get called functional?   it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic.
< 1343431170 475858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog avocado
< 1343431180 508284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just delete the qdb
< 1343431182 645421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all bad
< 1343431196 861048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: zzo38's client does that too!
< 1343431197 509537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have to delete it 1 in 5 quotes at a time
< 1343431197 643520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But quote #... You know, that one!
< 1343431200 739872 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343431203 31341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1343431203 842569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431204 167331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, more like you're bad
< 1343431205 143977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $((RANDOM % 500))
< 1343431205 300299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431207 126843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431207 461537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: his syntax-highlights the irc protocol though
< 1343431208 590128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431210 126474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1343431213 609189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-252-123.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1343431216 292353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :528)  They're (according to current plans/rumours) going to release a grand total of approximately 1.1 MeeGo devices; the N9, plus the N950 "developers only" phone, which I'm counting as 0.1 because (even though it is a MeeGo device) it's not going to actually be released.
< 1343431218 415109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we can't delete all the quotes, we can only ask for 5 quotes and delete the worst ones
< 1343431223 872278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :221) [CTCP] Received CTCP-ERRMSG reply from clog: unknown CTCP: ERRMSG.
< 1343431224 204582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I already said that
< 1343431228 940281 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have it do that
< 1343431232 928765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 221 is great
< 1343431235 614637 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1343431239 746379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :138
< 1343431239 764899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :528 is meh
< 1343431240 233113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :567)  CakeProphet: mr president, in the best egyptian judicial traditions has now been put off to friday. but i want my money back'. we know it generally deals with major infrastructure projects which could form part of the emergency package for korea, on christmas eve, in the interests of consumers and the environment of gmos.
< 1343431241 895772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :622)  fizzie: It's like a JIT, if JITs were... strings.
< 1343431242 380964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :160)  (I've just been playing with myself.)
< 1343431245 359865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it counts more when I say it
< 1343431254 82494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :567 isn't so good for fungot
< 1343431255 88807 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have expressed them when they may have a reform effected with one stroke of the pen. not so here. here, then, and to employ means, rather few, fnord, smugglers, and their interest, to raise the right honourable baronet's propositions respecting the produce of his labour." therefore do pilgrims in their beautiful example teach liberty, teach republican institutions, as at some other great conjunctures in our history, a
< 1343431262 357067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 is not interesting
< 1343431264 951696 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, it's like a string?
< 1343431270 814613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the botspam inevitably starts when someone new comes in
< 1343431272 801539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :622 isn't too good either
< 1343431281 742637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :622 is about tcl
< 1343431290 484961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, I'm going to be edgy and subversive and delete one without asking elliott's approval
< 1343431293 89372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 160
< 1343431293 549538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you hear that adding nullary typeclass support to GHC consists of removing one line?
< 1343431296 838162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  (I've just been playing with myself.)
< 1343431299 862215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa there!!!!
< 1343431300 52082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everyone is so eager to show off the wonders of this channel
< 1343431302 822339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get in line, mister!!!
< 1343431375 565848 :shinmei!shinmei@105.141.45.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343431397 804469 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pingponging is fantastic
< 1343431403 130239 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get to see it happen.
< 1343431417 903651 :shinmei!shinmei@105.141.45.116 PART :#esoteric
< 1343431481 833986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, how do you use a nullary typeclass?
< 1343431524 781917 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1343431530 281404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-121.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343431551 699529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: RiemannHypothesis => ... -> ...
< 1343431559 249113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: I think freenode actually doesn't require pongs, amusingly
< 1343431559 556473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO :: Unsafe => IO a -> a
< 1343431576 43851 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting!
< 1343431578 964023 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one timeout?
< 1343431641 992220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh
< 1343431648 318964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1343431863 621054 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're you using, VonSmashington, telnet?
< 1343431872 82347 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343431879 524262 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a homeade client
< 1343431898 398888 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just straight tcp on port 6667
< 1343431935 66267 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reason your client doesn't support CTCP VERSION?
< 1343431958 818554 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing programmed into it
< 1343431972 483182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: you just timeout with TCP, I think
< 1343431974 174767 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally sends only what i type, basically
< 1343432015 695882 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok, i see.
< 1343432017 621207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TCP is a proto cool guy. Eh times out connections and doesn't afraid of anything.
< 1343432034 989282 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . that's the bot?
< 1343432042 841183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahachaf
< 1343432076 337066 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1343432159 498682 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olympics are starting1
< 1343432177 784584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington, they started hours ago man.
< 1343432187 620813 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started /days/ ago
< 1343432193 650361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berners-Lee featured, apparently.
< 1343432204 59151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They started /years/ ago.
< 1343432217 120670 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol.  I meant that the football started on Thursday
< 1343432233 860345 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they started /in ancient Greece/.  Ago.
< 1343432246 780460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started /centuries/ ago
< 1343432250 590329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Football, xkcd... three strikes and you're out.
< 1343432253 705924 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel policy.
< 1343432255 6321 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, they started like... centuries ago
< 1343432287 543462 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I think we've said enough about sports for 4 years
< 1343432306 74657 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the third strike, mentioning comp.lang.c?
< 1343432315 771145 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1343432334 198239 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell you because giving a list would constitute striking.
< 1343432385 618174 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anything not on your list." -- Russell
< 1343432393 942656 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so if i say football football football
< 1343432411 824063 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, darn, i thought it was automatic
< 1343432427 800360 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be excelent.
< 1343432450 990165 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not excellent, then?
< 1343432463 306873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington, that's just the same strike 3 times.
< 1343432472 271376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, some kind of idiot???
< 1343432510 120520 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no such thing! fisty cuffs, sir! *rolls up his sleeves*
< 1343432516 748981 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway so long as you don't start spouting right-wing crap or pseudoscience you're safe enough.
< 1343432532 405920 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, fisticuffs? spelling isn't my forte'
< 1343432575 370196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 oz red bull
< 1343432577 164431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :check
< 1343432584 563802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.75 litres of 100 proof smirnoff triple distilled.
< 1343432587 157961 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :check
< 1343432590 224835 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm a radical anarcho-libertarian.  Is that a strike?
< 1343432613 871576 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, how radical
< 1343432617 360067 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mentioning "trade union" be a strike, or just a bad pun?
< 1343432617 843395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do backflips
< 1343432618 528572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you went up to bat in your underwear. you were disqualified.
< 1343432634 266508 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOMEOPATHY 
< 1343432644 453852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you can be whatever you want as long as you don't tell us
< 1343432662 861032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you can also be many things even if you do tell us
< 1343432664 41443 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, I don't, because that would be silly
< 1343432667 655783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we'll bring out the #esoteric hate machine
< 1343432683 773101 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a thing?
< 1343432688 218546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hate-complete
< 1343432693 61902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, strike strike strike
< 1343432711 140107 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1343432753 747468 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there you go, it does have a ping timeout
< 1343432767 156104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's hate-equivalent.
< 1343432769 769722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, req. soundnfury be kicked for noobscaring, liking football and xkcd, boring politics
< 1343432793 939531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, can the hating problem be solved?
< 1343432855 607344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god being of legal drinking age is awesome.
< 1343432864 557905 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when it will cease being awesome.
< 1343432870 277978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably tomorrow.
< 1343432870 928511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha legal drinking age here is 18
< 1343432875 509214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah yeah
< 1343432887 638538 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we can consistently have sex at 16.
< 1343432890 71506 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnam war, man.
< 1343432891 65918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1343432895 73453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no
< 1343432897 938471 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being of age doesn't matter to me... I distill! woo!
< 1343432915 644233 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually remember why our age is 21 here.
< 1343432925 973456 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do know that it got that way for a stupid reason
< 1343432932 825049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then political pressures keep it that way.
< 1343432937 373036 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of nice, however.
< 1343432939 967017 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that it was hyperbolic drunk driving rhetoric.
< 1343432948 952403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no I think it was in place before that
< 1343432949 112367 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington, don't you need a licence to do that.
< 1343432956 957560 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 is when you can start drinking biologically with minimal damage
< 1343432964 942137 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for example a common complaint during the vietnam war era was that you could be drafting at 18. but couldn't drink until 21.
< 1343432974 518664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drafted
< 1343432984 987785 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1343433002 47153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the mothers against drunk driving is probably one of the political pressures that keeps it in place today.
< 1343433008 379789 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bummer, have i disconnected?
< 1343433009 199607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever they call themselves now.
< 1343433015 295549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: no
< 1343433028 757151 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, the max size of my reading pane has been exceeded.
< 1343433031 230914 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb.
< 1343433033 999191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1343433036 271079 :VonSmashington!~LorenzoVo@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343433040 520862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol?
< 1343433062 843743 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd like to point out that mosh + dedicated server = best IRC experience
< 1343433066 851421 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343433068 725950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never have to reconnect to anything ever.
< 1343433088 538373 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooplah!
< 1343433217 17559 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :VonSmashington: does your client not continue scrolling down when it runs out of buffer?
< 1343433617 134527 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1343433626 101702 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eventually the variable runs out of space
< 1343433656 825369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
< 1343433671 841426 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i programmed it in a high level automation language, so I can't change anything like variable size.
< 1343433681 735916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343433683 330083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1343433697 439744 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could have it just trim the string
< 1343433764 795548 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wrote your IRC client?
< 1343433768 46254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some weird language
< 1343433970 593606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, awesome whatever-the-speech-version-of-a-typo-is on the news: "micro-social blogging site Twitter"
< 1343433999 848450 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a speako?
< 1343434004 507005 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "slip of the tongue"?
< 1343434011 14006 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka "lapsus lingui")
< 1343434016 62190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a something-o
< 1343434046 324322 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is much more sensible than Von.

< 1343434050 367100 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote /his/ client in C

< 1343434070 103819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the sensibilest of all
< 1343434072 541071 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use irssi
< 1343434076 782155 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1343434085 172108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a normal computer geek.
< 1343434104 225843 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose next you'll be saying you didn't write your own HTTP server either!
< 1343434121 826955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. I use nginx. which wasn't even intended to be an HTTP server originally
< 1343434276 181339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my ISP is horse shit
< 1343434282 494837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anytime there;s a thunderstorm I lose my connection.
< 1343434293 537617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP over horse shit? that one's new I think
< 1343434390 131435 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went to a bar which has beer taps at each table
< 1343434396 244004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each tap has a meter, to bill you
< 1343434396 414475 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343434403 9382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also report quantity to TVs around the bar, so you can see who drank the most beer
< 1343434413 74735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on wednesdays you get 20% off if you drink the most beer in the bar
< 1343434414 809686 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun!
< 1343434420 222 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343434421 68531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and it DOESN'T WORK AT ALL OH GOD.
< 1343434421 126426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soem academic toy thing.
< 1343434421 126501 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if I respond to something like several minutes after it was said it's because I lost my connection.
< 1343434459 86425 :VonSmashington!~VonSmashi@c-67-175-124-3.hsd1.il.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1343434649 653859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the quality of my code from this point on is going to regrade severely.
< 1343434685 159831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to inevitably encroaching alchoholism.
< 1343434709 616460 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r(\w+)/d\1/
< 1343434854 811868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :regrading goes both ways
< 1343434928 601606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think right now I'm somewhere near the Ballmer Peak.
< 1343434954 279033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :teetering on the brink of total failure then?
< 1343434960 365279 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1343434977 121510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just jump right in! :>
< 1343434979 238999 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should strike you for that but it's not forced, soundnfury take note.
< 1343435005 226976 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this #esoteric baseball system
< 1343435007 656321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Phantom_Striker strikes again!
< 1343435008 332276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unfamiliar with it.
< 1343435018 137690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to deal with baseball-inspired legal systems in real life.
< 1343435022 719951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not deal with them in IRC too.
< 1343435038 595638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you get a ball thrown near but not at you, you strike if you fail to strike it
< 1343435049 722492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a box
< 1343435055 722232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically around your upper body.
< 1343435064 57419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as the strike zone.
< 1343435066 651021 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if it starts raining you need a team of statisticians pronto.
< 1343435099 326439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is American therefore expert baseball expert.

< 1343435131 226973 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is English, he must know how england baseball works
< 1343435149 992666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :england baseball? england only does tea and bad plumbing
< 1343435152 436178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know that was a thing.
< 1343435187 567583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet they suck at baseball.
< 1343435205 601624 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny part is that they totally do suck at cricket.
< 1343435218 184911 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they throw baseballs at speeds that could potentially kill small children and animals?
< 1343435220 94210 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everything else, although they suck less at football than Scotland AFAIK.
< 1343435245 807398 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, faster, I believe.
< 1343435268 581963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they use harder balls.
< 1343435282 110983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just roll the balls on the ground (and they even call it bowling)
< 1343435286 121344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense.
< 1343435291 862825 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's Scotland bowling.
< 1343435296 535511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's entirely different.
< 1343435304 115683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that another country has a superior baseball league.
< 1343435319 339045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nationalism.

< 1343435337 609605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now, Japan gives a shit about baseball too.
< 1343435341 877300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know
< 1343435345 149480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their league is not as good.
< 1343435352 824816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might have some serious international sporting competition one of these days.
< 1343435369 783878 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know these things because some of my friends are baseball fans.
< 1343435373 923495 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise I don't give a shit.
< 1343435378 860088 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuure.
< 1343435400 1317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... says the most expert baseball expert in the channel
< 1343435420 267873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. that's still true.
< 1343435428 941884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll just have to deal with it.
< 1343435487 318965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this interpreter for dogless is incredibly simple.
< 1343435494 356465 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if I want to keep that name.
< 1343435521 653698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good name for a language that's based very roughly off of dupdog but kind of more like ///
< 1343435560 741963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogslash
< 1343435571 500166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.
< 1343435573 36857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup///dog
< 1343435585 228024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original name was "godless"
< 1343435595 895607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why.
< 1343435614 943498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :updog, to reference channel history.
< 1343435634 361047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unaware of the reference.
< 1343435639 28665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1343435681 61780 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if you remember when elliott made that bot to tell Sgeo_ to shut up about things like ActiveWorlds, Scala and sex?
< 1343435689 535435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes.
< 1343435690 17813 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then oerjan banned it for being totally not cool man.
< 1343435703 13421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't remember anything named updog.
< 1343435710 645164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because memory.
< 1343435713 421341 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::_(
< 1343435733 350134 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then elliott brought in another totally unrelated bot named updog which did nothing but say "what's updog" whenever its name was mentioned.
< 1343435742 83796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..oh.
< 1343435746 124842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't remember that.
< 1343435748 687819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's updog
< 1343435764 975986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and that bot became shachaf
< 1343435781 650079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's shachaf
< 1343435804 214225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bot
< 1343435837 639969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bot
< 1343435995 843665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, does bot have soul?
< 1343436015 122306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's owl
< 1343436048 427827 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl is bird
< 1343436085 566715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl is fowl
< 1343436105 170855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl is dowel
< 1343436207 856766 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowel
< 1343436208 671140 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :growl
< 1343436209 480307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowl
< 1343436211 561988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :foul
< 1343436214 319136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowel
< 1343436222 118673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :towel
< 1343436234 464188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kallisti is a bot that rhymes.)
< 1343436239 918092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kall me isti
< 1343436248 374926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Phantom_Hoover is a bot which describes other bots.)
< 1343436264 282407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are all bots on inside. :_(
< 1343436274 572580 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes the outside
< 1343436293 640845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yowel?
< 1343436296 445912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's a word
< 1343436299 200263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe yowl
< 1343436358 994587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how perl doesn't have a "print to stdout with newline" operator until version 5.10.
< 1343436384 50851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to explicitly declare what version you're using to get it.
< 1343436387 996255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because backwards compatability.
< 1343436547 20743 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pretty sure dogless is turing complete now
< 1343436558 872144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I added some metacommands that affect the scope of the next command
< 1343437674 156256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo_ 
< 1343437773 192105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo Hey you know about Creatures right? How the hell is http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Albia#Geography_and_Travel meant to work?
< 1343437773 250408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343438693 270688 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343438718 332970 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-121.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1343439593 717588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is the weirdest thing ever.
< 1343439645 594441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :its import statement is resolved at compile-time but you can use it literally anywhere.
< 1343439778 177375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python import statements have side-effects instead
< 1343439786 469909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1343439788 470758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :import launch_missiles
< 1343439841 584363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works in perl is that "use whatever LIST" is equivalent to; BEGIN {require whatever; whatever->import(LIST)}
< 1343439862 634575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN being a block that's executed before compilation of the rest of the code.
< 1343439876 395890 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in FIFO order. I don't remember. it rarely matters.
< 1343439904 212009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, like in awk
< 1343439927 537663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any single file C program emulating 6502 CPU which is public domain?
< 1343439935 440756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343440025 845080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the import method is then used to explicitly export things. if you make your package a subclass of Exporter then you can define how symbols are exported.
< 1343440038 743224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could write your own import method and do it by hand.
< 1343440133 178054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter case is used to make "pragma" modules. aka modules that act as compile-time pragmas similar to "use strict".
< 1343440294 628923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the creatures live on the edge of a disc
< 1343440321 419903 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the stuff about centrifugal force?
< 1343440364 713140 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good question, no idea
< 1343440395 422281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is the edge of the world just a mind-bogglingly steep cliff?
< 1343440409 356944 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/steep/tall/, I suppose.
< 1343440450 96009 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although the edges are only in the forwards/backwards direction
< 1343440480 530899 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason for all of this: Gameplay occurs in a 2d world that wraps around left/right
< 1343440513 806873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an extremely narrow strip?
< 1343440612 877751 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for a screenshot
< 1343440664 434445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Creatures-Internet-Edition_1.jpg note that this screeenshot does NOT depict Albia and this world does NOT wrap around, but gameplay in the games that show Albia is similar
< 1343440701 870809 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that shows one cramped area of the C3 world I guess
< 1343440715 413735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How illustrative of the large-scale structure.
< 1343440731 930583 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why didn't they put the world in the middle dammit, that makes much more sense.
< 1343440735 153203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1343440760 807155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you explain that creatures don't leave the screen?
< 1343440790 61329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they don't need public domain as long as it is Free software and not affecting the license of the rest of the project.
< 1343440797 233145 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine the world is a on the edge of a coin
< 1343440826 185040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean using a Halo-type arrangement.
< 1343440848 108362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coin works I guess, it just seems not-quite-sane.
< 1343440905 750496 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what a Halo-type arrangement is
< 1343440929 330724 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the Halo series? And the Halos in them?
< 1343440930 472874 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more sane then hypertaco (although the universe where that's used is not entirely intended to be sane)
< 1343440967 411853 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypertaco?
< 1343440971 366740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something tat might help
< 1343441070 992073 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in Triangle and Robert
< 1343441095 662333 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I fixed the extrernal links on that page
< 1343441128 981432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World Shapes: Triangle and Robert's world is not a sphere, but a four-dimensional hypertaco.
< 1343441129 630568 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" -- TV Tropes
< 1343441149 661933 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that going to be identical to a normal sphere for those living inside it?
< 1343441165 951790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flatlanders living on a taco would see it as a circle, after all.
< 1343441168 958761 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no idea
< 1343441187 367816 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even try to understand it, to be honest
< 1343441306 169613 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bluhs at D's non-hygienic string mixins

< 1343442278 190771 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what does non-hygienic mean in this context
< 1343442335 316630 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means local variables used in the string mixin can get confused with names you pass into it
< 1343442344 405443 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(etc)
< 1343442349 139779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else could it mean?
< 1343442358 670248 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1343442401 247093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :string mixins usually don't have the property of being hygienic or not.
< 1343442406 485783 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343442443 80479 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a macro or a string mixin that implements variable interpolation does.
< 1343444084 278507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1343444387 144621 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1343444388 151249 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make a hygienic string mixin?
< 1343444600 484429 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname, you could possibly make something that looks but isn't like a hygienic string mixin?
< 1343445005 931542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'Hello, World!' | scripts/Dogless.pl
< 1343445008 237870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1343445010 196500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was easy.
< 1343445019 625877 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a mixin
< 1343445041 498274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hello world program also has the nice perk of being a quine.
< 1343445089 234822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doubles as cat, I guess. since the only real input is the program source.
< 1343445145 370275 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should add a notion of input.
< 1343445390 682666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: maybe I don't know what "string mixin" means in this context.
< 1343445403 124288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me a mixin is a class that you "drop into" another class.
< 1343445436 768805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, in D, a string mixin is a function that makes a string at compiletime and then that becomes code
< 1343445438 123708 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1343445443 641118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343445471 360826 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dlang.org/mixin.html
< 1343445486 424671 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343445600 464967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just never use local variables, or give them terrible names.
< 1343445602 86862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved.
< 1343445604 177110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1343445772 809588 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Repeated imports of the same file are of no import."
< 1343445814 654397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo!
< 1343445858 571650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does D automatically return the last statement of a function?
< 1343445869 527696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just assign to a constant char[] with the same name as the template
< 1343445875 305330 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea
< 1343445877 574942 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :template GenStruct(char[] Name, char[] M1)
< 1343445877 593413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ const char[] GenStruct = "struct " ~ Name ~ "{ int " ~ M1 ~ "; }";
< 1343445878 571356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
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< 1343446019 544732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the documentation mention the part where std.file.read() is broken?
< 1343446057 901836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O?
< 1343446598 240057 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how is it broken?
< 1343446670 326088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The buffering code is buggy.
< 1343446675 304400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try reading a file from /proc/
< 1343446687 106393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bigger than 4096 bytes.)
< 1343446708 599831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do italics in wiki markup again
< 1343446731 569228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''''''''''word'''''''''''
< 1343446755 499013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1343446789 143394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Walter Bright could probably make a good language but D isn't it.
< 1343446812 814682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like many improvements to the C language, it shows a lot of promise but isn't quite there..
< 1343446820 744364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is probably better than D.
< 1343446834 433910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is still being changed quite a lot.
< 1343446839 2581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what it's got so far is pretty solid.
< 1343447074 592666 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with D?
< 1343447106 584277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything
< 1343447117 671273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a mess and half-broken
< 1343447123 391558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the language
< 1343447129 289824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the toolchains are ten messes unto themselves
< 1343447456 154517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can I never remember how to do backslash escapes in regex...
< 1343447474 297637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meanm parsing them
< 1343447487 597484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"match this, unless it's preceded by an odd number of backslashes"
< 1343447647 812106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you think about Dylan?
< 1343447666 613314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a good musician, but makes for a lousy programming language.
< 1343447668 286138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott.

< 1343447809 114956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like bob dylan
< 1343447811 661906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably i like the language more
< 1343447815 493892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know all that much about it
< 1343447817 345861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems ok
< 1343447825 390784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not like anyone uses it or it is really viable in any way though
< 1343447905 39950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1343447928 597033 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apparently it's going through a revival. At too slow a place to really count as a revival
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< 1343448120 928772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice if I could even get it working without needing to use a VM
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< 1343448733 492054 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what we need? FreeDylan
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< 1343449155 1880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at 3d printing stuff for some reason, and thought of a good use: iceblocks pieces
< 1343449191 342588 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or that's not what they're called
< 1343449193 555557 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they called
< 1343449200 48128 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Martian Chess is a whatever game
< 1343449219 986698 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icehouse, there we go
< 1343449241 757234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343449378 401865 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icehouse_pieces
< 1343449420 622949 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O http://www.crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=PY
< 1343449423 668379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many possible games using these icehouse pieces
< 1343449438 680025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including some game that uses tarot cards to make a board that the pieces are placed on
< 1343449545 436747 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games require multicolored icehouse pieces
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< 1343450777 115587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too
< 1343450815 44952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game I mentioned require different color for each player, as well as all the sizes, and can be stand up or pointing to another card
< 1343451982 407275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sympathize with the way you felt. I'm a staunch young-earth creationist and it bothered me a bit that I might use an email client like "Evolution." So for the first two years or so that I used Linux, I used Thunderbird. Recently, I noticed that the email search is a lot faster on Evolution (I have >14,000 emails to search). So I made the switch to Evolution.
< 1343451982 624169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wish there was a way to name the application differently (in the title bar). But like the previous poster said, we got other things to worry about (~5 billion souls on their way to hell).
< 1343451996 831369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the positive attitude, tak
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< 1343452647 765700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Dogless
< 1343452651 9849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the damage I have done.
< 1343453138 550725 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-124.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343453537 507670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please let me know if anything is worded confusingly
< 1343453667 500830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is OK
< 1343454135 653502 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once felt uncomfortable with NetHack's #pray because I felt like it was too close to worshipping other gods.
< 1343454152 135906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1343454203 810624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in dogless: ..|~
< 1343454212 407353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will eventually converge to an infinite string of dots.
< 1343454217 566701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... diverge? I don't even know.
< 1343454226 436834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hi
< 1343454237 181627 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was when I was younger
< 1343454240 808339 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still believed in God
< 1343454260 470618 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, becoming an RL atheist made me more comfortable with violating atheist conduct in NetHack
< 1343454260 784866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: plz berate dogless. inlude that it needlessly overcomplicates dupdogs minimal (read: stupid) design.
< 1343454372 388027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had an issue making distinctions between in character and out of character.
< 1343454408 879052 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew the distinction, it still made me uncomfortable
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< 1343455074 623936 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka
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< 1343457910 780281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: dogless looks dumb
< 1343457911 234001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1343457954 992242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343457988 248827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not attempting to revolutionize computing with my esolangs, here..
< 1343458030 4702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked for beration
< 1343458034 985745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343458057 803264 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I request a strawman, now please let me defend myself against it.
< 1343458062 620427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requested
< 1343458089 228560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1343458090 627560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1343458090 798012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawmen are vicious predators after all.
< 1343458092 259345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking
< 1343458093 91466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock
< 1343458135 271236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not entirely sure what the instruction >~ or >>~ or <~ or ><~ etc is supposed to do
< 1343458148 501744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the semantics of that might change.
< 1343458212 833279 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc|>~def|ghi  -> abc|def|~ghi
< 1343458254 151802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1343458289 331302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc|>~def|ghi  -> abc|def|ghi|def|~ghi
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< 1343460320 958908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play snooker?
< 1343460479 537017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you?
< 1343460509 732433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343460520 719418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a rule in snooker that says you must try hard to hit the ball?
< 1343460541 886524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win.
< 1343460609 203101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf kind of rule is that.
< 1343460631 660429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win.
< 1343460642 563338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :854)  There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win.
< 1343460645 369223 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that even remotely enforceable
< 1343460795 979266 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-124.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1343461071 522900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't know.
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< 1343462839 255883 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-randombattle45434
< 1343462841 919130 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RNG hates me.
< 1343462863 382614 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This the first time I've wanted to curse the RNG algorithm outside of Nethack.
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< 1343469473 575772 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART #esoteric :"Hug~♪"
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< 1343474463 12473 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover monqy tswett UPDATE
< 1343474514 667101 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1343474531 675182 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not concern you mortal
< 1343474540 491985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1343474543 122947 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sburban jungle
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< 1343474660 77329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sgeo_ lets us know when monqy gets marginally less terrible
< 1343474726 715638 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343474792 335667 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is definitely best entrance flash
< 1343475066 990344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION parses everything that got posted since phantom joined

< 1343475085 621124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. suburban jungle. thats what i was missing
< 1343475225 229668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rest in Peace, Suburban Jungle - The Bad Webcomics Wiki"
< 1343475250 354331 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not even the name
< 1343475257 855414 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Sburban, not Suburban
< 1343475262 633982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1343475263 119407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343475267 645368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains a lot
< 1343475371 9246 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343475371 808556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be music
< 1343475418 313518 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1343475774 418254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps whoever made that is a macguyver of art, perhaps
< 1343476102 923729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made what
< 1343476130 849201 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intro
< 1343477473 950486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intro to what, sburb?
< 1343477501 543153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343478689 54513 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, just go to http://www.mspaintadventures.com and start reading
< 1343478706 925355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this stuff might infact be too weird for me
< 1343478814 280670 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's some crazy shit man
< 1343478824 464688 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't do homestuckl
< 1343479010 10494 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think part of whats creepy about it is the uncanny way it's based on real life types of events
< 1343479127 707502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for me to expound, i'm clearly preaching to the choir
< 1343479181 421342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are
< 1343479185 310607 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about homestuck
< 1343479277 414819 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe itidus21 is talking about the fact that meteors are a threat IRL?
< 1343479330 265151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1343479699 448288 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343479700 768569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343479721 792732 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, hey someone you can update!
< 1343479743 146321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already seen it
< 1343479752 854545 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343479762 121185 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck I've just read? -> http://notch.tumblr.com/post/20056289891/start-classified-transmission
< 1343479784 776341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the URL looks 0x10c-y
< 1343479816 88805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's 0x10c
< 1343479858 489785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: uh oh, they say that information is secret
< 1343479895 254484 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x10c?
< 1343479903 952631 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch's space sim thing.
< 1343479904 932342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mojang's third or fourth game
< 1343479913 504650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depends if you count Cobalt or not)
< 1343479931 63619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It incorporates a programmable spaceship CPU.
< 1343479941 817322 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD this is lame!
< 1343479978 29711 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a good side
< 1343480000 343302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's set in an alternate history where the space race led to cryogenics
< 1343480002 977453 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I'm not well-versed in CPU architecture, is it bad?
< 1343480018 303986 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an endiness mistake led to some people being frozen for trillions of years
< 1343480020 415716 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :still better than x86 
< 1343480064 263317 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but programming spaceships in assembler is the stupidiest thing i've ever heard
< 1343480086 507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 assembly is not that bad
< 1343480094 807649 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for writing
< 1343480095 241053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it just gives you the CPU and assembler. The community's making a C compiler and other stuff
< 1343480100 223173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: worked for the AGC! (I think)
< 1343480114 544893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming spaceships in assembler is how we got to the moon
< 1343480116 515339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi
< 1343480124 729136 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343480128 278973 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's correct.
< 1343480128 602913 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that
< 1343480130 485725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's further proof for the moon landing hoax
< 1343480135 22794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we just hit eachother with slide rules?
< 1343480152 88692 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: really? the community is already making a C compiler?
< 1343480152 251453 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembler seems like a needless extravagance, considering the computers on Apollo 11 had like 1300 NOR gates in total.
< 1343480161 783178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, have been for a few months
< 1343480175 673724 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not done yet? how hard can it be
< 1343480175 861581 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :link please
< 1343480178 48949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dcputoolcha.in/
< 1343480238 313854 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343480255 936132 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will anyone port GHC?
< 1343480288 971084 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about a massively multiplayer online RTS
< 1343480293 636230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there's enough ram, Phantom_Hoover 
< 1343480303 375060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy to port after they fix ghc to be properly cross-compilery
< 1343480304 276279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, will the guns have CPUs?
< 1343480307 947179 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main idea would be that there are no units
< 1343480317 480406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, make a dcpu-targeting cross compiler
< 1343480318 861644 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for one 
< 1343480335 506937 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be programmable and multi-purpose
< 1343480354 95560 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem like it'll be hopelessly niche, though.
< 1343480360 926075 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, mixed up RTS with FPS
< 1343480362 443533 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's up to players to program their units to network with others
< 1343480385 726121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting the RTS might be a different question though
< 1343480389 901194 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they could share or trade programs
< 1343480395 447665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An FPS with programmable guns would be the best thing.
< 1343480396 673401 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has its ugly bits but compared to the overall difficulty of programming in assembly it's not a big deal
< 1343480403 42831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other architectures have quirks
< 1343480414 149390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a dumb hipster thing to talk about how awful x86 is all the time
< 1343480421 252828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you could program it to I dunno, shoot bullets... to the left?
< 1343480423 286517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that RISC is explicitly designed to make writing assembly by hand *harder*
< 1343480431 821882 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay okay, i was joking abut x86
< 1343480447 670191 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, dude the only reliable way to get it into protected mode is to use the keyboard controller.
< 1343480478 61945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have engaged rant mode
< 1343480486 63272 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a) that's a property of the PC platform, not x86
< 1343480496 837044 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) i was talking about "normal" code not weird platform specific OS code
< 1343480503 214050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty ugly on most systems
< 1343480529 954975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up the A20 line is, like, two instructions of the whole thing
< 1343480559 800276 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC processors offload a *massive*  amount of weirdness to the OS
< 1343480566 223369 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I know, I just find it pretty funny.
< 1343480585 184068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft-fill TLBs, incoherent caches, etc
< 1343480603 467102 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ARM Linux userspace can't do self-modifying code without a system call :(
< 1343480681 354097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so um wait what does the programming aspect in 0x10c actually handle?
< 1343480699 530424 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controlling the space ship, weapons, shields etc
< 1343480702 609224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also minigames
< 1343480713 460350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody made Tetris, iirc
< 1343480719 99152 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... it's basically a straight programming game?
< 1343480738 3168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish
< 1343480747 343349 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just use other people's code
< 1343480763 859335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It recommends sharing?
< 1343480766 449325 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it working if the code consists of a layer between the player and the ship, so tweaking it is powerful but not vital.
< 1343480780 749664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason x86 doesn't do e.g. incoherent caches is that it tries to preserve compatability with code made at the time a cache didn't exist
< 1343480805 263373 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if having the better code is most of the game it'll just alienate most of the potential audience.
< 1343480829 899610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the potential audience is ultra nerds
< 1343480835 833746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of that is actually pretty "nice" ... it requires the cpu to guarantee a lot of convenient stuff it wouldn't bother with otherwise
< 1343480865 325606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, not even that, it's the subset of ultra nerds who enjoy programming games.
< 1343480871 502535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is very, very small.
< 1343480887 718068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're all creaming their pants right now
< 1343480901 161122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe notch cares more about making 1000 people do that
< 1343480908 276823 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than making a fun toy for 1,000,000 people
< 1343480910 455106 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he already did
< 1343480966 48416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have actually relaxed some parts of that... for example, self-modifying code is not supposed to be reliable in multi-cpu systems on x86
< 1343480989 731329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is olsner just soliloquising.
< 1343481014 837314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that means doing what I'm doing then that is what I'm doing
< 1343481180 103292 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means talking to the audience to explain your character's innermost thoughts, feelings and motives
< 1343481190 209793 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urk, the 0x10c website doesn't say anything much about the way the gameplay works.
< 1343481205 811893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in really early development
< 1343481218 961172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even at "Cave Game" state yet
< 1343481245 352108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I'd hope he'd have some idea of the fundamentals of the gameplay.
< 1343481251 110539 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this *is* Notch.
< 1343481257 468728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very hush-hush
< 1343481270 122286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, sounds like that doesn't really apply here... unless I was describing the inner thoughts of the x86 architecture or something?
< 1343481287 549798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Phantom_Hoover was thinking about monologueing
< 1343481310 803149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I wasn't!
< 1343481761 944172 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343481770 701002 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are writing OSes for DCPU
< 1343481806 745856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are writing OSes for x86 too!
< 1343481855 106091 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are writing OSes for brainfuck
< 1343481862 620964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least person tried to write
< 1343481932 713883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Urk, the 0x10c website doesn't say anything much about the way the gameplay works. <-- IIRC notch spoke a bit about that on twitter when 0x10c was first announced
< 1343481968 490768 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343481978 473365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the reason x86 doesn't do e.g. incoherent caches is that it tries to preserve compatability with code made at the time a cache didn't exist <-- I thought it did for iL1?
< 1343481982 54376 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will write forth like language for dcpu
< 1343481983 353215 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1343482060 109415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not
< 1343482106 382162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 0x10c takes off I assume there will be ready-made OSes for it so less nerdy people don't have to bother with programming for it
< 1343482142 141428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm going to write DCPU asm, but forth? sure, why not
< 1343482158 294970 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lisp
< 1343482162 889592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will the game still be fun if you're not interested in the programming?
< 1343482173 487987 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GC would suck
< 1343482180 588516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm curious about, and there's not much information there.
< 1343482197 949028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway one interesting aspect of 0x10c is that you could do some really interesting stuff for computer controlled turrets or such potentially
< 1343482223 558046 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know.
< 1343482225 623323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to live with a sucky AI any more, you could improve it for your ship
< 1343482283 132432 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343482287 196602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if you are interested in programming, you might not want to program in a game
< 1343482303 284740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: personally I tend to play games when I'm exhausted from programming 
< 1343482328 592144 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DCPU have any specified I/O systems? what about clock interrupt?
< 1343482409 798720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes, and I think yes
< 1343482419 265293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0x10c-dev is the place for this
< 1343482420 36756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my phone has more video capturing devices under /dev than it has cameras...
< 1343482443 58599 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cameras that /you/ know about.
< 1343482465 466456 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :big brother is watching you!
< 1343482466 707711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, reading stuff from /sys indicates a few of them are virtual devices, whatever that is
< 1343482515 465653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the touch screen is actually exposed from the kernel as a video device
< 1343482530 781145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nortti http://sprunge.us/ZfbV
< 1343482561 118337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe video0/video1 (that is 81:0 and 81:1) are the actual cameras based on running strings on a relevant user space library
< 1343482586 566449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, really? Or are you just making that up?
< 1343482597 222526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1343482609 772501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes to which question? :P
< 1343482611 748305 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aws.johnmccann.me/
< 1343482613 374975 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow
< 1343482616 221349 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, are you richard stallman
< 1343482617 518017 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has clock
< 1343482618 245561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously
< 1343482642 866748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ?
< 1343482704 655105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm some of those might be output devices, since surfaceflinger has video2 and video16 open
< 1343482721 598055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surfaceflinger is the android window compositor thingy)
< 1343482773 29764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :video11, video12 and video20 are not open anywhere.
< 1343482989 577669 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess I either want video0 or video1 then... Now, how to monitor the device...
< 1343483010 34126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how would I transparently monitor access to a device file on linux?
< 1343483208 612370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, strace reports I/O errors
< 1343483384 661211 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd
< 1343483537 881168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now it works?
< 1343483556 371840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm video0 is the primary camera, presumably video1 is the user-facing camera then
< 1343483578 273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the driver is s3c-fimc
< 1343483597 241747 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffuuu
< 1343483598 413481 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/dsmvwld/CamelForth-16
< 1343483603 318879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I always late
< 1343483617 196864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, hey you could help me programming instead
< 1343483622 829645 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, write a Cobol compiler
< 1343483633 694383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it is more of a reverse engineer job though
< 1343483696 817378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to get raw data from the Samsung Galaxy S3 camera. :)
< 1343483733 628039 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no. I'm not rms. why?
< 1343483784 312286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago someone quoted RMS saying phones are tools of the government to spy on you.
< 1343483823 92665 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that. I own a phone. it is old nokia bought from second hand store with cash
< 1343483840 807545 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: doesn't matter
< 1343483855 219106 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shold destroy the phone after every call to be 100% sure
< 1343483860 732582 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343483908 172596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, ow, ow. tarbomb
< 1343483910 688853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why samsung
< 1343483931 828198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I did tar -tf first...
< 1343483941 864278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is tarbomb?
< 1343483984 89815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, a tar file that gives you multiple files and/or directories when doing tar -xf. Instead of creating one directory and placing all those files inside
< 1343484017 681751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so if you did tar -zcf ../kernel.tar.gz . for example
< 1343484026 66218 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1343484036 478712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you ask what a tarbomb was then
< 1343484038 225836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you knew
< 1343484044 411487 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant what file was tarbomb
< 1343484050 103880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343484061 189270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsung's kernel code release
< 1343484064 739240 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343484065 31054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the S3
< 1343484140 962652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't they include a .config
< 1343484142 934239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiots
< 1343484266 401944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, found the relevant kernel headers. Now to figure out if getting raw data is possible
< 1343484272 13674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no sodding clue
< 1343484397 533956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does v4l present an unified interface to the user space?
< 1343484528 609137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, why does the phone platform include CUPS4j drivers. Yes that seems to be a library for java to talk to CUPS
< 1343484529 439196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1343484636 423046 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for printing, obviously
< 1343484646 802547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes but why printer support on a phone
< 1343484655 766786 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for printing! :)
< 1343484664 499160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1343484880 887530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling suggests that people do indeed want and/or use printing on phones
< 1343484893 534038 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1343484910 446853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343484919 481969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is some jpeg stuff in the kernel driver for it
< 1343485055 312721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion so far: badly documented code, need data sheet for device to understand it
< 1343485437 84612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever wrote the Kconfig for this thing at Samsung sucked at English.
< 1343485570 562758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsung is korean
< 1343485593 645091 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of Nokia, aren't I?
< 1343485830 107030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you?
< 1343485840 621040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the Finnish one?
< 1343485880 746812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they make tires, rubber boots and mobile phones
< 1343485994 488268 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: tires and rubber boots are no longer made by nokia. they are produces by nokian
< 1343486007 88310 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*produced
< 1343486094 98139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, boring
< 1343486102 510453 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D5C8.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343486142 809726 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also produced computers, telephones and telephone switches
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< 1343490669 407543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello from the Finnishland.
< 1343490684 948976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello from the Not Finnishland
< 1343490727 305269 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ameriland.
< 1343490741 275923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1343490787 102126 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from thessaloniki
< 1343490797 947423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently dubstep is the new punk?
< 1343490822 368477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way
< 1343490829 954628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long ago was punk the new punk?
< 1343490837 645052 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid 70's
< 1343490843 314564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1976, I think
< 1343490861 385527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: dubstep is not the new punk.
< 1343490867 555385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... the new dubstep.
< 1343490879 360411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of the opinion of the world about it
< 1343490880 203130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :new dubstep? that's the old dubstep?
< 1343490889 472722 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343490952 488881 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opinion being near universal contempt
< 1343490986 188730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like pretty much every kind of music except for the Black Eyed Peas
< 1343490987 670885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some dubstep.
< 1343490990 971866 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1343490991 304731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol?
< 1343490994 805508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SPECIFIC
< 1343490995 676863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punk rock was enormously popular
< 1343490995 761559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot STAND the Black Eyed Peas
< 1343490997 490573 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343491000 541391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and influential
< 1343491007 145758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you probably know nothing about music
< 1343491012 543864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you argue with itidus21 about it
< 1343491013 722230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, punk bands got attacked by people with knives
< 1343491028 472797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right some people hate it violently
< 1343491031 43586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE WITH KNIVES
< 1343491032 928188 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like anything
< 1343491038 527118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :football fans get attacked thus
< 1343491044 731244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from which i conclude that the world hates football
< 1343491076 12083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only listen to free baroquecore nintendostep garage folk
< 1343491103 480517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoth the wiki: "Violent attacks on punk fans were on the rise."
< 1343491155 441450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably wrong
< 1343491183 80422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this proves nothing
< 1343491193 363931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proportion of people who will violently attack anything is so small
< 1343491205 635538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you cannot generalize to the whole world
< 1343491222 33745 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is possibly the most intellectually bankrupt argument i've heard in some time
< 1343491249 936278 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you think the beatles were universally hated too
< 1343491252 426911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1343491257 808089 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm accepting I'm wrong now
< 1343491265 606372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because john lennon got shot by one crazy person
< 1343491272 627450 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, jesus christ you don't have to be this hostile.
< 1343491288 915866 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but i want to
< 1343491290 101599 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case
< 1343491297 975300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attacks Taneb with knives

< 1343491314 993197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: jesus christ you don't have to be so LOUD about your distaste of his HOSTILITY.
< 1343491322 89877 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because I want to" is not really a good enough reason.
< 1343491324 820188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION parries with poorly understood IRC features

< 1343491326 591158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucker.
< 1343491327 741638 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm offended by the fact that you're offended
< 1343491355 673589 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1343491367 519256 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really)
< 1343491369 686175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm done
< 1343491373 609346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is incredibly offensive, we need to just close the channel entirely now
< 1343491380 408805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three strikes for everyone
< 1343491387 714074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kick everyone plx
< 1343491423 736836 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, I think Suetonius's chapter on the reign of Caligula is kinda like a sort of not really dubstep song
< 1343491449 574856 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a plan to shut up the crickets someone in my biology class was using for an experiment with dubstep.
< 1343491457 610658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It failed due to nobody having any dubstep to hand.
< 1343491548 895111 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubstep crickets..
< 1343491569 536523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now enjoy some dubstep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sNxRji1STg
< 1343491581 275890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubstep crickets would possibly have been even worse than the crickets he was using.
< 1343491585 201166 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by much.
< 1343491655 921937 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greece has about 20x as much anti-fascist graffiti as fascist graffiti
< 1343491659 400585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is a good thing
< 1343491682 684845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly 50% of the cops voted for the neo nazi party in the most recent election
< 1343491715 8476 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but the government have declared that all public surfaces are allowed to have fascist slogans written on them
< 1343491743 854300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1343491755 564796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't read greek so i wouldn't really know
< 1343491758 846840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was a joke that fell apart due to obtuse grammar.
< 1343491767 492358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every golden dawn logo i recognized was crossed out
< 1343491793 516229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember last time I went to France, I saw some Occitan independence graffiti
< 1343491825 711446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the party with the most recognizable (to illiterate me) street presence is the communist party ΚΚΕ
< 1343491827 864985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golden Dawn is such a culty name.
< 1343491840 291064 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by anarchists if that counts
< 1343491845 119980 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: I know, right?
< 1343491901 906183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write "visca POUM" everywhere and test the Greeks' knowledge of George Orwell's autobiographical work.
< 1343492017 3429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to albania soon
< 1343492029 334312 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hoped that albania is not closed on sundays
< 1343492049 273189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :albania? isn't that the fictional country in the dilbert comics?
< 1343492068 226361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the fictional country in wag the dog
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< 1343494811 364316 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: thanks.
< 1343494959 56188 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you're welcome
< 1343495146 705020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb 
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< 1343497723 984701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1343498256 520209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in relation to punk rock) i can't tell if things are good, or if things only appear good because of repeated exposure
< 1343498284 479704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that being said, i am convinced that it is possible to tell how much work has been put into something
< 1343498346 122526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343498364 214200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everybody!
< 1343498425 988805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, if you put work into something and you forget to put honesty, emotion, whatever else the platitdes say into it, then it will be as good as having done no work at all
< 1343498459 914679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Phantom_Hoover!
< 1343498490 347644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I do not like Black Eyed Peas
< 1343498502 860168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or polystyrene, but that's for different reasons
< 1343498583 62293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that my humps is a song about celebrating lust and hedonism
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< 1343499281 601035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hi Dr. Nick.
< 1343499324 941666 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343501849 689988 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw you have to ban everyone
< 1343501868 348607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again?
< 1343501872 125395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343501878 530315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk tsk
< 1343501994 806860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im playing smb in slow motion.. and.. i just stomped a goomba, and then on the ricochet i stomped another goomba which was still in midair falling
< 1343502008 612221 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of Braid.
< 1343502015 390352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like.. omg that just happened
< 1343502040 361667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Braid is essentially SMB with time travel and different aesthetics
< 1343502044 280617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And puzzles
< 1343502053 599246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a pretentious creator.
< 1343502090 993861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smb is my main obsession
< 1343502119 994526 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first played it, it didn't mean an awful lot to me
< 1343502247 778655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is hoped that albania is not closed on sundays <-- it's muslim so probably fridays
< 1343502292 76108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : albania? isn't that the fictional country in the dilbert comics? <-- elbonia hth
< 1343502306 374444 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was playing in slow mo to check which frames are used in the walking animation
< 1343502355 587778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall it was translated as albanania in my old norwegian larson and/or calvin & hobbes magazines
< 1343502382 577655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* +[sic]
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< 1343503123 946488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useless information but those bars made out of flames in the castles turn out to have 32 phases
< 1343503317 138308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1343503490 353659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i had an idea. what do you think of a geek code-style colorized code to classify programs on the bfjoust strategies page according to which strategies they use?
< 1343503707 502633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1343503750 899614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally speechless
< 1343503769 386636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343503775 88198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think oerjan
< 1343503806 800573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geek codes are colorized these days?
< 1343503852 963592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1343503861 258367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why i had to add that qualification
< 1343504149 965112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia there is a rule in snooker that you have to make an attempt to hit the ball otherwise it is a foul and miss.
< 1343504167 489440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What idea of colors did you think of?
< 1343504236 542667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What colors do you want?
< 1343505397 196647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want better colours rather than more colours
< 1343505447 561480 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding?
< 1343505477 837913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want is to make something like super mario bros. but 1)original and 2)better
< 1343505494 535240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1343505601 667459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's like a mathematician saying, i want to make euclid's elements but better
< 1343505630 998681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not like that at all
< 1343505663 127955 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my place to speak for math
< 1343505739 847339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :euclid probably wasn't that original
< 1343505755 437294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, no way he invented all of it himself
< 1343505770 935250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's position is "Although many of the results in Elements originated with earlier mathematicians, one of Euclid's accomplishments was to present them in a single, logically coherent framework, making it easy to use and easy to reference, including a system of rigorous mathematical proofs that remains the basis of mathematics 23 centuries later."
< 1343505791 168120 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i suppose that means, a single editor on wikipedia decided to take that position
< 1343505843 155517 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh.. is there any traces of pre-numeric humanity?
< 1343505848 154101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :begs for a citation needed, then
< 1343505893 857628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is a difficult question i ask
< 1343505897 689525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: how in the world would you use scant archeological finds and fossils to detect that someone did _not_ know numbers?
< 1343505905 862879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1343505925 131667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are supposedly recent tribes which don't count beyond 2 or 3
< 1343506006 468117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343506039 480519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP mentions the mesopotamians using base 60 about 5400 years ago.. so it has to be older than that
< 1343506056 965631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe noone will ever know
< 1343506090 280942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers 1-10 in indoeuropean languages are commonly inherited, although i'm not sure how old the proto-language is supposed to be
< 1343506122 127267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP also says "The units themselves grew out of the tradition of counting tokens used by the Neolithic (c 6000 BCE) cultural complex of the Near East.
< 1343506166 366162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _possible_ the need to count a lot of things only started with agriculture
< 1343506183 272599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you needed to know how many sheep you had
< 1343506198 520795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started with taxation, I think
< 1343506198 595896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, wp is looking back at least 8000 years
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< 1343506273 881161 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interpretation of that wp sentence was a bit bad too
< 1343506309 914724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all sumerian to me
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< 1343506573 358971 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The oldest tally sticks date to between 35,000 and 25,000 years ago, in the form of notched bones found in the context of the European Aurignacian to Gravettian and in Africa's Late Stone Age."
< 1343506604 877455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. it could be a long search to find how far back it infact goes
< 1343506740 293843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh .. this is an exciting explanation of life in 300,000BC
< 1343506773 482934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possessions had to be portable, since they had to be carried around. Everything that could not be carried, was left behind. People had to be quick in movement and reaction; being slow meant instant death. Animals were not the stuffy types we keep in zoos nowadays. They were bigger, fast as lightning and regarded a human just as another piece of juicy meat. And there were no gates or anything to keep t
< 1343506773 742887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hem back.
< 1343506876 34800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, the deer and the rabbits saw humans as another piece of juicy meat?
< 1343506929 657658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there were no herbivores
< 1343507033 549269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this may sound rather daft, but what does counting actually bring?
< 1343507057 201927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger and bigger numbers
< 1343507065 197373 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how many of a thing you have
< 1343507076 495153 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell if you have less or indeed, more
< 1343507184 888639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example, i imagine the reason people needed to know how many sheep they had is so that they would know if people stole them etc
< 1343507204 190465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hadn't invented crime back then, I think
< 1343507233 924406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the idea was... so you could tell if you needed to search for a lost sheep?
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< 1343507252 893051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.. don't see 
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< 1343507277 206818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, another benefit of counting
< 1343507295 824749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the first uses was taxation: the accountants put a record of the number of sheep you have so that they know exactly how many sheep to demand of you
< 1343507297 57354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes this doesn't mean the disconnections are back again

< 1343507300 241599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: forgive me if this is like trolling, but what is the main benefit of counting sheep?
< 1343507325 421719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^i mean of knowing how many sheep you have
< 1343507327 336180 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, AND you can SEE the fundamental THESIS: TAXATION is THEFT
< 1343507382 398700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: knowing that you have not lost any when shepherding, or from theft?
< 1343507390 537573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :property is theft, taxation is stealing it back again
< 1343507408 214016 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool. same conclusions i had
< 1343507451 859058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it really does matter
< 1343507500 53386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, suppose that you spill a bag of apples
< 1343507524 159199 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know how many apples you had, you know when to stop expending energy in search of them
< 1343507545 443449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can also decide its not enough to expend any energy at all
< 1343507558 755453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : they hadn't invented crime back then, I think
< 1343507585 788919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to bet that's older than our species.
< 1343507603 915264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if other species do it, it's not crime :D
< 1343507629 912817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if other species will punish you if you're caught, i think it counts as crime.
< 1343507631 400711 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm not helping
< 1343507659 559665 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw on a tv show that monkeys don't like to be cheated at cards
< 1343508014 331983 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the case of shepharding, if you know you have all your sheep theres no need to waste energy searching for lost sheep
< 1343508068 410323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the case of theft, i guess at the least you can relax more if you know noone stole stuff
< 1343508100 877425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course this can lead into attachment
< 1343508631 576823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love reading anti-Steam rants from 6 years ago.
< 1343508643 976893 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343508674 241700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some of the commentators are people who will sing Valve's praises loudly today, and in general it's amazing just how much the opinions have whiplashed.
< 1343508726 54872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plashed by the wii
< 1343508796 318172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better are when the comments are still open so the top ones are all agreeing and the bottom is vitriolic hatred for the author.
< 1343508870 853399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants there to be a vitriolic hatred comment that ends with "oh wait, i wrote that"

< 1343508918 162025 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a similar anecdote with some mathematician being shown his own paper or a derivative of it and saying it was all tosh.
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< 1343509417 538441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he's seen that guy before

< 1343509448 336342 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I need to add a MIME map in system.webServer/handlers! Does anyone know how? http://corewar.co.uk/infinano/EERIE.RED
< 1343509452 503848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who? impomatic?
< 1343509472 338681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: quite possibly
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< 1343509523 558336 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he's seen you guys before!

< 1343509533 35520 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343509647 951154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: on my website you can put .htaccess files in each directory, i have one containing a line AddType text/plain .pl
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< 1343509742 761047 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think .htaccess works on the new server.  it's something to do with web.config :-(
< 1343509766 62095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it tried to run my code examples as cgi without it.  or maybe it just got some other type which wasn't convenient.
< 1343509768 853253 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius|TabletP: what does TabletP mean?
< 1343509832 78309 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be TabletPC
< 1343509835 101142 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1343509878 275341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then, i don't know about the central configuration (i'm not even an admin on the machine)
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< 1343510035 555102 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sitepoint.com/microsoft-drop-trident-from-internet-explorer/ :D
< 1343510151 482748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was going to complain the link was old

< 1343510193 445654 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you didn't complain?
< 1343510215 146230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i actually read down to the quote first.
< 1343510230 897299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just seen the date
< 1343510525 534846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343510525 553833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343510556 97202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@swing
< 1343510556 117868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
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< 1343512013 44083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In decades to come, I'm gonna reminisce about IRC
< 1343512028 385037 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343512037 854271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1343512043 931878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are great
< 1343512102 318515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww
< 1343512123 917767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will actually happen is that in decades to come, you are still here
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< 1343512174 687734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then most of you will be gone, and I'll be annoyed that the young 'uns show no respect?
< 1343512192 109304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I've been here less than a year
< 1343512199 851276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one day the singularity arrives.  then you'll still be here, there will just be no world _outside_ the net any more.
< 1343512215 242535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a year next month, I think
< 1343512268 776112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: evidence shows that hexhammers get bored by this channel eventually, then just join occasionally to snark.
< 1343512285 254586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evidence has a sample size of what?
< 1343512286 570476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One?
< 1343512304 746134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say it was _good_ evidence
< 1343512371 547633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a book once that said this is the basic law of hexhammery
< 1343512377 153673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be true
< 1343512397 76127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a book about Hexham?
< 1343512417 692478 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am picturing a hammer with hexadecimal numbers written on it
< 1343512452 269527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :malleus malificarum
< 1343512462 573514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about hammering hexes
< 1343512464 54708 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, was it by David West?
< 1343512480 309485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know, I haven't read it yet
< 1343512482 120492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maleficarum
< 1343512600 235003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word hex is a good example of the sort of borrowing from other languages that occurred in the English-speaking former colonies of Great Britain. German and Swiss immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania in the late 17th and 18th centuries spoke a dialect of German known as Pennsylvania Dutch. In this dialect hexe was the equivalent of the German verb hexen, "to practice sorcery." The English verb hex, first recorded in the sense "to practice witchc
< 1343512692 497389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :witchcraft" in an 1830 work called Annals of Philadelphia, is borrowed from Pennsylvania Dutch, as is the noun."
< 1343512870 859062 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343513551 610476 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Hexenhammer a German rock band?
< 1343513566 257062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible
< 1343513721 675476 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Death Metal band from Germany (Paderborn), formed in 1999." sagt last.fm hier: http://www.last.fm/music/Hexenhammer
< 1343513777 855430 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :score one for useless cultural facts in school languages lessons
< 1343513922 710975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls reading about the hop gardens of kent

< 1343513963 893545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that stuck from one of those
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< 1343516769 382818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
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< 1343517336 151558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 16:15  How can I convert `Maybe a` to `IO ()`?
< 1343517340 552049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refreshing, isn't it?
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< 1343517564 30632 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a karma whore. I retyped some idiot's images with just a bunch of words
< 1343517579 35870 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even to promote it particularly, because I disagree with much of it
< 1343517579 797849 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ideasfortheadmins/comments/x9yv5/heres_how_you_fix_reddit/c5klrgh?context=3
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< 1343518487 152845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i didnt come up with any details yet. feel free to suggest.
< 1343518517 346347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some changes to MagicKit assembler, so that the target machine can be specified by command-line switches instead of only by filename, and .ASSIGN command to adjust reserved symbols, and it also includes an emulator now.
< 1343518535 410639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Details of what?
< 1343518639 139941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a code to classify bfjoust programs based onn the strategies they use
< 1343518749 564102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you can have: slow/fast, offense/defense, file size, ...
< 1343519358 620644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK?
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< 1343521991 423118 :clivebombejingle!~clivebomb@90.84.144.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aloha
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< 1343522705 807540 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying thing about Tcl: Libraries that use callbacks can take the callbacks in several different forms, some of which are harder to deal with than others
< 1343522718 200048 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irc package in tcllib takes scripts
< 1343522775 305456 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so broken teabags are like 20% of what's wrong with the world.
< 1343522824 476865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-124.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: If by "scripts" you mean what I think you mean, that's by far the most normal means of callbacks.
< 1343522826 490806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, it's trivial to live entirely without tea
< 1343522842 667931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah
< 1343522856 840528 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I'm under the impression that command prefixes are better
< 1343522869 428593 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass a script to something expecting a command prefix via apply
< 1343522901 571660 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using apply like that also makes it easy for arguments provided by the callback to go into arbitrary places in the script
< 1343522912 832209 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-124.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Keep in mind that apply is relatively recent.
< 1343522957 781609 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the normal way to pass in arguments to scripts? Make commands that give the data in question?
< 1343522981 996935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-124.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, generally.
< 1343523055 614557 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal way to have the callback include data specified when calling the thing that takes the callback is to make a proc and generate the script with [list]?
< 1343523293 945584 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.:
< 1343523332 862244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somesnitobj registerevent someevent [list myhandler $data1 $data2]
< 1343523339 570666 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. not i.e.)
< 1343524050 342050 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm pondering how to implement computation in Proce.
< 1343524145 124227 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic gates are easy enough to implement.  Suppose that 0 and 1 represent true and false, respectively, and f and g are signals.
< 1343524185 826353 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then NOT f is f - 1; f AND g is r!(f + g - 1); and... you can figure out the rest.
< 1343524245 188365 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should in theory be possible to write long scripts in "[list ...];[list ...]..." form, right?
< 1343524260 491480 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably not the best way to go
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< 1343524646 657528 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, you get arbitrary finite state machines for free.  You can also create Minsky machine registers, if you have an exactly accurate clock.
< 1343524658 145335 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from there, of course, you can create a Minsky machine.
< 1343525983 264536 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing logic gates like I said seems like cheating, though.  It's not supposed to be possible to store information outside of i! signals.
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< 1343528737 160320 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is this a bad idea http://nopaste.dk/p13368
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< 1343535705 586032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does a monqy do.
< 1343535721 28320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343535721 47914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343535996 781995 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: word problem: a train leaves London traveling at 5 knotts. The london skyline's width decreases at a rate of 0.25 centimeters per second. What is the circumfrence of the sun in the sky?
< 1343536058 202646 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1343536066 561873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct!
< 1343536246 361248 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that if one knew the circumference of the sun in general it would be the correct answer
< 1343536266 83889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it is too trivial a fact to keep
< 1343536386 435703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf
< 1343536422 413549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is your alt nick sha1chaf?
< 1343536425 55072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it should be
< 1343536517 664486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to devise a word problem where the facts given in the word problem seem completely unrelated to the question at the end
< 1343536527 93319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the answer can be accurately derived from the facts.
< 1343536580 565028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I know
< 1343536588 730939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the facts for the word problem can be
< 1343536589 978141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia
< 1343536613 701867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question can be: "How do you distribute wealth equally among all people in the world?"
< 1343536626 136508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's not.
< 1343536634 1139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :himc
< 1343536672 862031 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found Xhorxh W. Bush Street
< 1343537014 757020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speculate that you can't play google pacman on the namco offices in google maps street view
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< 1343537180 926123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :unaffiliated
< 1343537208 525819 :unaffiliated!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaffiliated@unaffiliated/unaffiliated
< 1343538186 68910 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irc package in tcllib is disgustingly low-level
< 1343538187 34524 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$conn registerevent 001 [list $conn join $config(chan)]
< 1343538193 935601 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^how to join a channel
< 1343538229 776494 :unaffiliated!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: my perl bot is better yo
< 1343538233 411374 :unaffiliated!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :kallisti
< 1343539362 205826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :detail_if_fan_u
< 1343539673 113408 :detail_if_fan_u!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
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< 1343542877 76612 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdnlfjkashjkfawihefwkalfra
< 1343542880 652789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to make an IRC bot
< 1343542893 86973 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest bug in millionth test: Arbitrary code execution
< 1343543102 667675 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not arbitrary code, just arbitrary string commands
< 1343543832 360637 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343544827 170362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gotten some messages on nesdev about my improvements to PPMCK
< 1343544963 638546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people had their own improvements so some of them I have also added on to my program too, such as allowing #EX-VRC-VII as an alias to #EX-VRC7
< 1343545017 778063 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday_2/7065.jpg
< 1343545020 686296 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :America in a nutshell
< 1343545072 363990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they fit?
< 1343545202 534851 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, if the whole universe can fit in a nutshell, surely just America can as well.
< 1343545217 200299 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless perhaps ego has an anti-TARDIS effect on space.
< 1343545244 852049 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space In Dimension Relative And Time? Yes, clearly that is the anti-TARDIS effect.
< 1343545270 54306 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do Tumblr and Twitter not know how to send 304?
< 1343545308 344815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I presume not.
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< 1343545557 136644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a anti-TARDIS effect?
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< 1343546048 484576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1343547028 593822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of idea of some kind of programming language for compression, having four blocks: Archive block, Control block, Compress block, Calculate block.
< 1343547048 394565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and also Data block.
< 1343547283 460476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculate block are pure functions. Compress block are always reversible programming. Archive block has no flow controls (and always halts), except it can call Control block (but cannot decide what to do from the result), and the Archive block can also set values of registers.
< 1343547653 26202 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee NICK :Cornholio
< 1343547662 909058 :Cornholio!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee NICK :ogrom
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< 1343548221 16430 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1343548308 94359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the functions can be partial, but it is reversible when in range and otherwise error message if given wrong input.
< 1343548463 359124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a psychosimulator test?
< 1343548630 718655 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1343549049 181534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when i saw this i thought you might like it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtbsje5dHtM
< 1343549059 643554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad.
< 1343549095 581526 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be clear from 30 seconds in why
< 1343549144 289295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like this sort of game at all
< 1343549154 426958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone linked this
< 1343549176 600879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop linking videos too much, especially YouTube
< 1343549212 357660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8bit sound effects is only fun part
< 1343549228 151925 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343549230 301009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that zzo38
< 1343549239 73189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning, PH
< 1343549262 557233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Taneb.
< 1343549349 121451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in an argument with someone
< 1343549356 164615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is claiming that the peano axioms are not a definition of the natural numbers
< 1343549359 275356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it defines other sets
< 1343549361 674306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the powers of two.
< 1343549363 983827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1343549365 118803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1343549373 942646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't
< 1343549373 961077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343549375 805439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it?
< 1343549378 159405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They contain, but aren't
< 1343549381 822638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1343549382 148391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even /have/ the powers of two
< 1343549386 250854 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the natural numbers
< 1343549387 568743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me that they don't
< 1343549406 924588 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hey now don't start getting all philosophical.
< 1343549408 979389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know they define natural numbers only
< 1343549417 449954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axioms one and six define the natural numbers
< 1343549430 927067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this argument is entirely philosophical
< 1343549439 222541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need more than just axioms one and six.
< 1343549440 589531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's about what defines something in mathematics.
< 1343549446 435232 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In mathematical logic, the Peano axioms, also known as the Dedekind–Peano axioms or the Peano postulates, are a set of axioms for the natural numbers[...]"
< 1343549489 669161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, seven, I think you need too
< 1343549550 900002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think you need all of them if they are to define the natural numbers, without all of them there would be other things too which follow these axioms
< 1343549561 4113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1343549595 796078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really define the ordering of natural numbers with only the first and sixth axioms
< 1343549609 65923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sixth one only says "oh btw, if n is a natural, then so is S(n). good luck"
< 1343549675 335518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't say whether S(S(n)) is a distinct natural number from S(n)
< 1343549686 71096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, yeah
< 1343549697 911832 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong, as usual
< 1343549712 573700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh, if you leave out the axioms defining the equality relation you don't have an equality relation.
< 1343549723 853186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, pretty much
< 1343549739 920626 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1343549775 557839 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need all the axioms to define the natural numbers, by definition.
< 1343550052 172601 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that math is arbitrarily defined?
< 1343550089 269486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh this conversation you're having sounds unbearable.
< 1343550092 985952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of math exists as it does because either a) it describes something with useful applications b) we find it aesthetically pleasing
< 1343550105 325201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise we could rearrange all the axioms arbitrarily
< 1343550151 221186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic portions of maths are based on the real world
< 1343550156 929779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true.
< 1343550160 577736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a) really
< 1343550168 806007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have three apples, and someone gives me two more apples, I have 5 apples
< 1343550174 935391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've defined math as it is because it describes a lot of shit we've encountered in the world.
< 1343550176 669133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a mysterious apple-donor
< 1343550368 738290 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still... man-made
< 1343550381 180030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's claiming too much to say that math describes "universal truths"
< 1343550415 914110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any system with consistent axioms describes universal truths
< 1343550423 813384 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1343550510 491792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct course of action when finding a typo in a paper written 62 years ago?
< 1343550532 50779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tippex and a steady hand.
< 1343550561 183462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack both of those, and I'm reading it as a PDF
< 1343550563 345676 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343550602 49803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps take a note of it somewhere
< 1343550607 887154 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use PDF editing software!
< 1343550652 505686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Does the journal in which it was published still exist? 
< 1343550668 252777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1343550691 605319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be a transcription error, though :(
< 1343550706 828306 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty famous paper, so somebody's bound to have seen it before
< 1343550724 556042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing Machinery and Intelligence by Alan Turing
< 1343550885 260534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found another
< 1343551512 262660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: create a finite state automaton with lambda calculus at its core
< 1343551533 985409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might need Haskell
< 1343551547 361691 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make so many dumb mistakes while programming, and Haskell catches them sooner
< 1343551564 657975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example?
< 1343551577 355789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 20 million bugs while writing my bot
< 1343551584 81190 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343551592 609784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I have this problem with perl
< 1343551593 624336 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgetting $, putting it in the wrong place, not initializing an array consistently
< 1343551594 432720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not major.
< 1343551627 779094 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, make global variables too easy, and I think I use them
< 1343551658 545025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Haskell because it's how I think
< 1343551786 515094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a random '['!
< 1343552036 729628 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1343552050 847679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typos in this paper I am reading
< 1343552055 213359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1343552083 858837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, maybe you've noticed that tendency I have to entertain multiple trains of thought simultaneously
< 1343552096 241010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make no distinction between them while talking
< 1343552215 213052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen elliott
< 1343552282 845252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was here yesterday, I seem to recall
< 1343552296 120142 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343552319 313369 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal
< 1343552368 916369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does windows insist on reinstalling drivers for an USB device if you connect it to a different port. What sort of crazy model requires that
< 1343552391 820839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows does
< 1343552401 93057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously
< 1343552413 180942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it doesn't apply to all devices, only most
< 1343552419 286777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even stranger
< 1343552434 992310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343552439 667998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343552444 108228 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb
< 1343552447 115346 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work out why that happens
< 1343552457 226029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you click the close button?
< 1343552465 56235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you missed it:
< 1343552466 889808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway it doesn't apply to all devices, only most
< 1343552467 49244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is even stranger
< 1343552472 408607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's me shift-clicking on the channel name
< 1343552485 851266 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi
< 1343552492 162527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it again?
< 1343552497 438069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343552502 876748 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343552506 334152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there you are then
< 1343552509 894275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't shift click it
< 1343552514 672320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you shift click it anyway
< 1343552520 789446 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not intentionally!
< 1343552534 927113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mouse is over the channel name, because I've just switched to it
< 1343552535 253621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's some sort of a port-specificness-weirdness also with the Windows drivers for the PS3 pad. It's certainly some kind of a thing.
< 1343552548 56373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how can shift-click happen unintentionally? Shift clicking is not a common operation in most irc clients
< 1343552561 600172 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm holding shift down because I'm typing a capital letter
< 1343552575 626438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "some kind of a thing"?
< 1343552583 58212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343552583 392057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why do you type and click at the same time
< 1343552583 552069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I tap my laptop's touchpad?
< 1343552599 992954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, turn on the touch pad palm detection?
< 1343552603 353901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or turn off the touch pad
< 1343552613 474641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the touch pad turned off, I use the trackpoint instead
< 1343552626 329497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have a trackpoint, or a mouse lying around
< 1343552662 721940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed the problem
< 1343552665 135205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :palm detection then
< 1343552671 663622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disabled clicking with touchpad
< 1343552673 574777 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have touchpad. my only pointing device is trackpoint
< 1343552688 735136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have to use the buttons just below the touchpad
< 1343552709 694140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The synaptics driver has some kind of a feature for autodisable-when-actively-typing, but I've never quite made it work.
< 1343552728 265919 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trackpoint is much nicer to use
< 1343552787 293713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapping to click with touchpad is quite bad too
< 1343552793 982509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it usually doesn't work properly
< 1343552806 710314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, indeed
< 1343552817 330971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like tap-to-click, and ~never have problems with it. YMMV.
< 1343552827 268850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone recently asked me how to click with a trackpoint.
< 1343552834 693013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kept trying to press it.
< 1343552839 194068 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually trackpoint is the biggest reason why I use this computer
< 1343552847 123766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing laptops with trackballs
< 1343552851 938363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been an early powerbook
< 1343552863 793642 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and old pc laptops
< 1343552865 608419 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343552866 20589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest reason I use this computer is because it's the fastest I have access to with working internet
< 1343552866 188408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be laptops with balls, that's true.
< 1343552895 126691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool to have that as a scroll wheel in combination with a trackpoint for mouse movement
< 1343552906 949498 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, modern thinkpads still have it
< 1343552921 413886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so did a brand new toshiba netbook I recently interacted with
< 1343552956 58220 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but those also have trackpad that always gets in the way
< 1343552956 366420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen that many separate trackballs around either, lately.
< 1343552970 230077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you can turn those off though easily in linux
< 1343552979 18349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, like I did on the thinkpad I'm typing on atm
< 1343552997 680044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I bet it works under windows too, since there is an fn-key for it
< 1343553020 450399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue why you would want stock windows on this though, it came with vista
< 1343553041 808217 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well what I meant by "trackpad that always gets in the way" I meant that they can't put large enough buttons under spacebar
< 1343553054 458964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there are separate mouse buttons for the trackpad and trackpoint, and that the latter are often adjacent to the trackpad (right above it) puzzles me for some reason. (Obviously they're there for the positioning, but still.)
< 1343553061 486510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I don't find my buttons to be too small, let me take a photo.
< 1343553076 995466 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes. trackpad would also randomly move your pointer
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< 1343553098 466348 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the dust certainly shows up in the camera
< 1343553105 221552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : nortti not if you turn that off
< 1343553114 685025 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343553116 292076 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides modern trackpads are not quite as terrible wrt that
< 1343553157 680382 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I find new trackpads worse with that than old
< 1343553216 932894 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example I never accidentaly moved mouse with my iBook G4 but I do it all the tine when I have to fix my sisters 2 years old hp laptop
< 1343553225 467278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time
< 1343553231 506492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten reasonably used to having a two-finger scroll on laptops too. (Don't interact with so many ThinkPads so don't really have a trackpoint habit.)
< 1343553261 618786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I had terrible problems with phantom movements on my first model ibook
< 1343553268 780515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of those blue clamshell ones)
< 1343553297 970154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and I guess it could be a issue with quality rather than modernness
< 1343553303 933325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that I had to do something special to the G4 iBook in order to make a two-finger scroll happen.
< 1343553304 875977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP is not exactly high quality
< 1343553311 222903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: One day you'll quit every IRC channel. :-(
< 1343553312 179735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thinkpad is way better
< 1343553334 357673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I don't have problems with phantom movements on my Lenovo Thinkpad touchpad unless I put my palms on it.
< 1343553343 149730 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually used iScroll2 mouse driver with my iBook that enabled two finger scrolling. I never got really used to it and I'd just always use arrow keys
< 1343553344 542003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the reason I turned it off, because doing so was way too easy
< 1343553361 308868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Right, iScroll2, exactly.
< 1343553384 507356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, my dell latitude d610 (somewhat dated) has the touchpad slightly lowered into the palmrest, rather than at the same level
< 1343553387 93963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that helps a lot
< 1343553392 176848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it also has a trackpoint)
< 1343553406 314309 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if iScroll2 works with my new iBook G3 (white)
< 1343553411 840032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't have to turn the touchpad off there, since you don't end up putting your palm on it
< 1343553499 549874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Supported models include most aluminum PowerBooks introduced from 2003 to 2004 as well as most G4 iBooks."
< 1343553504 423444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not sure if this link will work for you. I hope it will: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cmy7xsmk3xlxrci/CD5mgXYRV5
< 1343553524 401184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, those buttons are just the right size for me
< 1343553542 703688 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also middle mouse button
< 1343553545 441892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't live without it
< 1343553550 24545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I love this laptop
< 1343553554 16093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see photos)
< 1343553556 755952 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what format id that picture?
< 1343553565 98438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just left-and-right-click for that.
< 1343553567 565129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, format? It is a web album
< 1343553573 196971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, click on the images to see them
< 1343553575 397492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I took a few
< 1343553597 234006 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can't do that. It requires javascript
< 1343553600 552867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, just the standard dropbox auto-album for anything you put under Photos
< 1343553605 801752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea how to middle-click in Windows on that laptop, though.)
< 1343553628 508261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, does this work? https://photos-6.dropbox.com/thumb/AAA2GwVU2_I-BqLTkFaePxHNgcq-s7yihQJIAtG1-hj5qQ/87474461/jpeg/o/2/1343557081/0/2/20120729_111221.jpg/lzLGnpTgvMZ-Eus5EQpZJZUnvmZ0d2ZyU7eEvkV-64Q?size=800x600
< 1343553631 26241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and https://photos-6.dropbox.com/thumb/AADUvhtK7AOFlYVZCxbyUvJLQbbavq4pI_Lf-aWjvVwebA/87474461/jpeg/o/2/1343557081/0/2/20120729_111227.jpg/0696oNZ4gQ5KhrnPBAqT3bcOxmRQ5SXfdfZsO1lz4Lo?size=800x600
< 1343553640 548613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also https://photos-2.dropbox.com/thumb/AABwx8n-oZ_Fq62CrCyhLgUiQm3ekERxOSeJTBCwgJht9w/87474461/jpeg/o/2/1343557081/0/2/20120729_111239.jpg/bEx8pgZLQvGYh2iDmLqkddqCv_Sqzpg9MhoFUC584sM?size=800x600
< 1343553650 14985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, if those don't work then I don't know
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< 1343553745 491506 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they work. how large is that thinkpad?
< 1343553768 741026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 15.4"
< 1343553778 605308 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. then those buttons are tiny
< 1343553778 646470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 16:10 screen
< 1343553789 965358 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway the keys on the keyboard are full size
< 1343553802 323088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the letter and number ones
< 1343553806 142159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not the arrow keys
< 1343553830 590758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway I have huge hands and I have no issues with those buttons
< 1343553879 357592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I can reach from fn to p with my right hand. (fn to o comfortably)
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< 1343553901 646009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn to å if I don't have to be able to press down the key
< 1343553920 864454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all thinkpad keyboards are sized for the smallest thinkpad models
< 1343553946 588851 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: on T20 my left and right mouse buttons are bit larger that all of the mouse buttons and middle buttons is under them and is is around the same size as all of your mouse buttons
< 1343553966 116583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well the keys on the main area of the keyboard have the same size as the keys on my full size PS/2 keyboard that I use for my desktop
< 1343553970 5587 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*left and right mouse button combined
< 1343553987 258755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not as deep obviously, but the same area for the raised bit
< 1343554005 154100 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my T20 lacks screen and battery
< 1343554021 461128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, this is an R500 btw
< 1343554046 851191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, your mouse buttons must cover most of the area below the keyboard then?
< 1343554050 691499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, can you take a photo
< 1343554085 384019 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have camera on my phone
< 1343554093 183050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343554100 393230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, thought you had an old android one?
< 1343554105 808830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upload over wifi?
< 1343554108 115927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the key area is 6 cm x 1.8 cm 
< 1343554143 213848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I'm pretty sure that the Android compatiblity spec said "has a camera" until like 4.0 or 4.1
< 1343554170 228362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same for "has wifi" until 3.0 I believe?)
< 1343554195 791416 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. I have HTC Widlfire but it doesn't work very well. I can try it later when it strarts charging the battery
< 1343554215 23609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm then the smallest one must be like 14" based on my keyboard
< 1343554221 475906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 13"
< 1343554251 522232 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my 15" T20 keyboard spans the entrire width of thre laptop and keys are full size
< 1343554262 101435 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you should get one of the crazy thinkpads. With the butterfly keyboard
< 1343554270 41085 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1343554275 371585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are awesome
< 1343554282 83273 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those old
< 1343554291 473246 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meanj like 90's old
< 1343554300 400653 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean
< 1343554319 331188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, full size keys here again, except for the F-keys, esc, the windows keys, prtsc,scrlk,pause,insert,delete,home,end,pgup,pgdn and the arrow keys
< 1343554333 362610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and those keys below shift and above the left and right arrows
< 1343554339 752005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are "back" and "forward"
< 1343554344 336175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of neat
< 1343554351 131566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :works to switch tabs in kate
< 1343554357 556255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also back/fwd in browser
< 1343554376 846749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "keyboard spans the entrire width of three laptops".
< 1343554381 907521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's be quite a keyboard.
< 1343554391 867973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1343554404 815793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it would be a butterfly style keyboard
< 1343554417 10073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the laptop would have infinite width
< 1343554432 538678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you obviously measure the width of the laptop based on a folded up laptop
< 1343554432 594814 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I also have not-completely-full-size-but-almost keys for esc, F keys, SysRq, SrcLk, Break , Insert, Delete, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn
< 1343554462 423464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343554482 562301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, my F-keys are only slightly less wide but about half the height
< 1343554503 489284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :esc is a bit taller than that
< 1343554510 367650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2/3 of a normal key
< 1343554514 496645 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with T20
< 1343554527 915359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, do you have hardware volume buttons too
< 1343554532 17888 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343554537 842015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All keys on this things next to me are full-size-when-it-comes-to-width, but the top row (esc, f1-f12, sysrq, break, ins/del, / and * from numpad) is a bit less tall than the others. Maybe that 2/3rds.
< 1343554556 496610 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar maybe I had at the empty holes at the top of the keyboard
< 1343554557 365354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my old dell laptop has both hardware volume buttons and volume on fn-combos 
< 1343554558 366154 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or
< 1343554559 964885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why
< 1343554568 856461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks screen brightness on fn though
< 1343554592 601975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My old laptop (the model of which I've forgotten) has a hardware volume *knob*. Now *that's* retro.
< 1343554602 681458 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343554606 97619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was awesome
< 1343554623 386282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I normally like my volume below the lowest step
< 1343554624 938433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on anything
< 1343554636 400994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, why is everything so god damn loud
< 1343554639 883551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess "knob" is a bit of a wrong word since it's a sunk-in thing. But a thing you rotate. (Awkwardly.)
< 1343554653 150572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to use the equaliser settings on my phone to counteract the loudness for example
< 1343554665 120484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I set everything in the equaliser down as far as possible
< 1343554681 160159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then music is about the right volume in the headphones
< 1343554701 526854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I remember seeing that on an old toshiba
< 1343554705 887001 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have alsamixer at about 80% and mplayer at 39%
< 1343554711 329561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, whoa
< 1343554742 223286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I do turn it up a bit when I'm in a loud environment, normally one or two steps, not much anyway
< 1343554750 530406 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the volume control on my headphones at the lowest setting possible
< 1343554755 383633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343554761 68237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a Toshiba Tecra 730CDT, apparently.
< 1343554794 134112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't remember what toshiba it was I saw it on
< 1343554799 432185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.recycledgoods.com/product_images/b/886/s_p_10719_1__07188_zoom.jpg -- the knob is up there.
< 1343554806 753589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did they make a series called Satellite or something? 
< 1343554810 209715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343554810 857565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might have been it
< 1343554824 934215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably was around 2000-2004 or so
< 1343554832 408666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay your one is even older I bet
< 1343554838 70798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is from 1996.
< 1343554848 567587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343554849 708885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Raw speed. A 150 MHz Intel Pentium processor and PCI bus provide the kind of speed that would have been practically unthinkable in a notebook PC. Until today! Now there's the Tecra 730CDT."
< 1343554853 615121 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is one awesome laptop
< 1343554858 197362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From Toshiba's product page.)
< 1343554865 910315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Mine doesn't have a battery, though.
< 1343554869 276914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they called them notebook then?
< 1343554878 874576 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how much memory does it have?
< 1343554886 618242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "And the hard disk and memory capacity are also pushing back the boundaries of what you thought possible: the 2.16 billion byte hard disk and 16 MB EDO RAM (expandable up to 144 MB - yes that's one hundred and forty four MB) will take care of the most complex programs and data-hungry applications - no problem."
< 1343554888 621428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a word invented after the stuff about "uh, it is bad to use it in your lap"
< 1343554898 188102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think 32 or 48 in my particular case.
< 1343554917 46500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "2.16 billion byte hard disk" part.
< 1343554927 71938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow a billion bytes is much more impressive than a gigabyte.
< 1343554929 533160 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok. it fits inside my processing power requirement
< 1343554932 473275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so that is... 216 MB?
< 1343554939 883943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1343554943 275793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.16 GB
< 1343554943 476263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two gigs.
< 1343554945 263828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343554956 587383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Communications are just as easy on the Tecra 730CDT, with 2 PC-card slots and the integrated 28.8 kbps modem with full telephony functions (including hand-free and answer-phone options). The built-in infra-red port even makes cable-free data transfer with printers or other PCs possible. A further highlight of the Tecra 730CDT is the 6-speed CD-ROM drive. And when you want to use the floppy ...
< 1343554963 195915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... disk drive, all you do is swap them over. Or simply attach the floppy disk drive externally.
< 1343554966 194116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multimedia heaven is complete with the super-sharp 12.1-inch SVGA screen and a resolution of 1024 x 768 pixels. The PCI-bus, special graphics drivers and 2 MB Video RAM guarantee you the ultimate in visual experiences."
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< 1343554977 595927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey you could hook it up to my dell, it has IRDA too
< 1343554993 719631 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768! that is the resolution of my iBook G4's screen
< 1343555002 872908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's got two megs of video memory, so you can't run 1024x768 in truecolor. 64k colors is fine, though.
< 1343555016 762984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my dell can attach it's ultrabay-style floppy drive externally via USB too
< 1343555027 834822 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it have ethernet?
< 1343555029 565712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have a floppy drive for this either, actually.
< 1343555036 590357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dell is quite strange, a lot of hardware on it seems very thinkpad-ish
< 1343555044 386818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Not built-in, but I have a CardBus card in it.
< 1343555051 688485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the trackpoint and the ultrabay
< 1343555065 744567 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. I could use that computer as my main machine
< 1343555083 52985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A D-Link one that has a full-sized RJ45 port right in the proturding thick part; I have some 3com pcmcia cards that use an adapter cable instead, and those are always breaking/getting lost.
< 1343555084 714383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, fancy, my ibook (g3) had 800x600
< 1343555113 480943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343555134 181850 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my iBook g3 has 1024x768. it is the white 500MHz one
< 1343555138 962096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343555139 868068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The HD is not the original model, though; I think it's something slightly smaller than two gigs.
< 1343555191 458170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've last used this for something that needed a DOS and a serial port.
< 1343555207 143988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do modern PCs still have an ISA bus? I know my laptop does (I believe there are some hardware sensors on it) but I don't remember if my desktop does
< 1343555210 189113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check on it atm
< 1343555210 714262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd boot it up to see what it's running except I'm not entirely sure where I stored the charger.
< 1343555217 553391 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop uses EFI and what not
< 1343555231 833138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you back from Belgium then?
< 1343555233 813675 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the toilet seat ones have the 800x600 screen also used in PowerBook G3 "mainstreet" but later ones use same screen as "wallstreet" pb g3s
< 1343555242 889382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you mean clamshell?
< 1343555247 502416 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1343555249 356512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, arrived late last Friday.
< 1343555254 300986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1343555281 130033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe they often have a thing that looks like an ISA bus programmatically (e.g. for those sensors), but I'm not sure you can count that as a real ISA bus. Maybe so.
< 1343555317 235344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sensors on this desktop are hooked to an IT8718 chip connected via "ISA".
< 1343555349 878209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's some sort of a smbus/i2c thing instead, though.
< 1343555358 888544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my laptop has both an ISA bus and an SMbus
< 1343555375 68954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
< 1343555375 221331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
< 1343555387 35489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3a)
< 1343555388 530250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensors seem to be on isa though
< 1343555389 384039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
< 1343555400 852956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics on this one
< 1343555531 223919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the laptop:
< 1343555531 798237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation HM65 Express Chipset Family LPC Controller (rev 05)
< 1343555535 403182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 05)
< 1343555542 172714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343555548 875784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics?
< 1343555552 594713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno.
< 1343555557 933073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an Intel chipset.
< 1343555560 407384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the multitude of n?
< 1343555587 357417 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
< 1343555590 382112 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03)
< 1343555597 44206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in the "nnno". Well, nnno particular reason. I was just thinking.
< 1343555606 888625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, 15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ba)
< 1343555621 365679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343555628 590806 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I have Express Card too 
< 1343555637 64141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't spot it in lspci though
< 1343555658 606985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one PC Card slot and one Express Card slot
< 1343555699 982537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, displayport or hdmi?
< 1343555711 359901 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Prelude.Generalize.choice is identical to Data.Foldable.asum, which Prelude.Generalize exports anyway
< 1343555711 378972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343555726 424044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: On the laptop? There's HDMI, DVI and VGA ports, IIRC.
< 1343555735 35823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, DVI on a laptop?
< 1343555741 26994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of monster is that
< 1343555766 488730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they had space left over.
< 1343555770 614295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where?
< 1343555782 304525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the back. It's kind of a big laptop.
< 1343555786 281679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be
< 1343555791 638590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, just 15.4", but kinda on the thick side.
< 1343555799 34231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343555807 683827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really carry this one around.
< 1343555811 159641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have power and modem on the back. On and the battery slides in from the back too
< 1343555817 247680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then why laptop
< 1343555827 702505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a desktop monitor would be ergonomically better
< 1343555844 264201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I sometimes do want to take it with me, e.g. for trips like this Belgium thing.
< 1343555856 356318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1343555866 119039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was this that custom made one from Germany?
< 1343555884 614496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that someone else
< 1343555892 341085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "custom made" is perhaps a bit of an overstatement, but yes, it had some custom component selection involved, and it did come from germany.
< 1343555902 566028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343555944 871930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The base laptop is fixed, I just got to choose what sort of graphics card, HD, wifi things etc. went into it.
< 1343555947 195561 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use desktop monitor with my T20 because original screen was partly nonfunctional and it fell of at the hands previuos owner
< 1343555956 42778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard it would be to buy components and build your own laptop... I guess finding a laptop case might be the hardest part
< 1343555972 593304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess they aren't really standardlized, so probably custom mobo then too
< 1343555981 143189 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are instructions how to build one around beagleboard
< 1343556011 247157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :beagleboard hm
< 1343556013 80256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that
< 1343556015 712240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think you can buy the same "skeleton" that was used for this laptop even as a regular customer, though that's of course only about halfway building your own laptop.
< 1343556017 168398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like the pi?
< 1343556028 77081 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but more expensive
< 1343556031 865406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343556036 860800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ARM based
< 1343556046 515676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's the Pi.
< 1343556050 193615 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and it has faster processor and it is ARMv7
< 1343556058 492609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I meant for a higher end laptop. Something with maybe a x86 and nividia or AMD graphics
< 1343556080 324502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes of course
< 1343556095 204536 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that will be hard
< 1343556101 659564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did the skeleton include the mobo?
< 1343556106 512750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, indeed
< 1343556178 220873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, because I don't think laptop mobo form factor is standarlised
< 1343556195 534639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure. It's got the case (with the display panel) and the motherboard; then you plug in a graphics card using that whatever-it-was thing they have for laptops; some memory; there's I guess minipci slots for wifi; a slot for a 2.5" SATA disk; and I think that's about it for the customization. The optical drive is also part of the thing, since it needs to fit the chassis.
< 1343556222 730065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front is sloped to match and so on.
< 1343556248 178574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's not terribly much you can change. I guess the graphics card is pretty much the major piece.
< 1343556252 182650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no ultrabay?
< 1343556266 619857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess battery must be custom made for it too
< 1343556282 127235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can have an UltraBay if you're not a ThinkPad.
< 1343556289 335608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they have patents or whatnot on it.
< 1343556309 902916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing called UltraBay, I mean.
< 1343556319 450238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure it is probably trademarked
< 1343556328 556132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have the same idea anyway
< 1343556331 662654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old dell has
< 1343556332 694007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could obviously be some sort of a different swappable slot, but that'd be proprietary too.
< 1343556354 279266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's still limited to different parts from the same company.
< 1343556359 192863 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343556360 280217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the optical drive do DVD-RAM?
< 1343556393 159485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does. Anyway, they do have a selection. It's not exactly UltraBay-like in that it's not hotswappable, but they have a selection.
< 1343556394 166361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do: $ cd-info  | grep DVD-RAM
< 1343556401 328989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have ordered this with a bluray thing.
< 1343556412 968800 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-15-174.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343556416 975302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a "cd-info".
< 1343556438 888634 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm let me see which package it is from
< 1343556439 698821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jWZa
< 1343556450 884510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :libcdio-utils on Ubuntu, apparently.
< 1343556464 302755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343556469 873875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is still searching
< 1343556471 943449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow disk
< 1343556479 592369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :libcdio-utils: /usr/bin/cd-info
< 1343556480 239116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343556498 725733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/hIIK from cdrecord -prcaps.
< 1343556506 398656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/caps/cap/
< 1343556545 122720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It continues a whole lot longer, but those were the most interesting parts, perhaps.)
< 1343556557 61869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Does not read CD bar code <-- huh?
< 1343556564 854138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from that command's output on my laptop)
< 1343556568 100395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't either.
< 1343556568 255676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD  bar code?
< 1343556579 796703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some kind of weird standard.
< 1343556586 513460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's written in the rim or something.
< 1343556591 579251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full output of mine http://sprunge.us/ZRHY
< 1343556629 92465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, http://sprunge.us/GfZF for comparison purposes.
< 1343556659 349629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is R-W subcode?
< 1343556670 715799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known that, but forgotten.
< 1343556678 277351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all kinds of complications in the CD standards.
< 1343556686 152504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to the main data bit.
< 1343556707 219515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343556711 850958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that some of these things were relevant when it came to getting PSX disk images done correctly.
< 1343556795 655934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343556823 126036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are subchannels P, Q, R, S, T, U, V and W; P and Q are somewhat standard (and related to audio CD positioning, apparently) but the R-W subchannels are unused in the basic audio CD standard.
< 1343556830 977086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extensions (and copy protection schemes) use those, though.
< 1343556844 234463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343556865 137255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so if the drive can't read them, the copy protection could not check them I guess?
< 1343556886 859647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why the drive simply can't return a raw data stream of the disk
< 1343556890 689857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be so much easier
< 1343556911 553693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And in the case of the PSX, it also means you couldn't use the drive to make a copy that'd work in the original device, since the drive in that can read those.
< 1343556928 326863 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1343556942 744086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how advanced is PSX emulation these days?
< 1343556967 700876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough, I'd suppose.
< 1343556973 424306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do PS2 these days too.
< 1343556991 585138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1343557010 679204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it have too many co-processors all running on the same clock line or something?
< 1343557011 167254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. I've played through FFX and a large part of FFXII with PCSX2 on the laptop we were speaking about.
< 1343557032 199168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not perfect, but "high-profile" things are playable.
< 1343557040 912932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do quite a lot of recompilation and whatnot there, though.
< 1343557069 869465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343557074 101010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also offloading things on the GPU. At least based on the configuration menus; haven't looked closer than that.
< 1343557116 790595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original PSX is probably a solved problem. There's a PSX emulator in the N900 repositories.
< 1343557125 823708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tried it, and that might not work so well, but it exists. :p
< 1343557129 70748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1343557155 360649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know anything about video for linux?
< 1343557170 446833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written some code for the API, and it wasn't very pleasant, but that's about it.
< 1343557170 767637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of kernel framework for cameras
< 1343557184 501438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh is it a standard API for all devices or a different one for each device?
< 1343557222 449610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's standard as seen from the userland side. But I'm under the impression there's all kinds of messiness there to account for the widely different hardware.
< 1343557227 964915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343557235 71110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible to extract raw data from my phone camera
< 1343557243 4047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've smungled video capture cards and webcams and digital-TV devices all under the same thing.
< 1343557258 999286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what the driver exports via V4L, I suppose.
< 1343557260 861560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drivers are badly commented for it and not in the standard kernel tree
< 1343557274 538038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are in the samsung open source kernel dump thingy
< 1343557297 870511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised I really needed documentation for the hardware to understand it
< 1343557298 195878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can query the capabilities via the standard API, you could start with that.
< 1343557303 178941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you do that?
< 1343557317 181244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is the v4l docs
< 1343557324 801384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to write a bit of code. Or, well, find some sort of a utility APP, I'm sure there's one.
< 1343557342 118347 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I do have a cross compiler setup
< 1343557353 11778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not an issue, I might need to copy some headers
< 1343557357 271628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/APP/app/, I don't know why I capitalized it.
< 1343557362 263844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://v4l2spec.bytesex.org/ for V4L2, apparently.
< 1343557371 866226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytesex, really...
< 1343557374 540671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I've used the wiki that's linked from there.
< 1343557389 978403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on linuxtv.org, they have a lot of V4L-related stuff there.
< 1343557397 877573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn, what a massive spec
< 1343557400 736476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there's an API reference, though.
< 1343557458 265455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot of ioctls, that's for sure.
< 1343557487 579699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an issue with ioctls
< 1343557523 247840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a piece of code to feed /dev/random with (hashed) bits from noise from a webcam. (There are quite a few other such pieces of code too.)
< 1343557527 997673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it was two ioctls for the actual photo bit, a bit more for either setup or preview. (I used strace on the camera app yesterday)
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< 1343557575 438373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's also v4l-oriented libraries that try to make things better, and those might have better API docs too.
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< 1343557585 779245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any recommendations
< 1343557591 8338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that API seems horrible
< 1343557601 169794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of them; the single webcam-related software I did just spoke raw V4L2.
< 1343557660 481143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was that v4l or v4l2?
< 1343557669 964389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, I don't think 1 is very current at all.
< 1343557697 286330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343557725 693049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer has a V4L2 input driver which you could possibly also abuse to find out what you can get from the card, though it's kind of video-oriented. (I'm sure someone's compiled mplayer for your thing already.)
< 1343557792 921846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's very possible that the driver doesn't export the raw sensor data over V4L. You need a custom camera driver on the N900 to get that kind of stuff. (Then again, it still might.)
< 1343557816 241474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343557845 447476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think the preview image arrives at the android API level as RGBA data (still not raw, but at least uncompressed).
< 1343557859 623218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the JPEG compression you might be able to avoid.
< 1343557867 936910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes there is a jpeg folder in the samsung kernel code bit
< 1343557871 109569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which worries me
< 1343557915 741406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then again it might do jpeg even before the kernel level, since there are some references to hwjpeg in the user space *.so file for the camera.
< 1343557929 904813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's possible, yes.
< 1343557930 227860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that might just be a hardware accelarator called from the kernel
< 1343557936 11424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might even refer to another model
< 1343557941 110410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just reusing the same *.so
< 1343557969 520300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 does JPEG on the DSP chip, but I believe the userland camera app just calls into that, after getting uncompressed RGB from the camera. Haven't looked at it closely.
< 1343557990 823249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find source code for the user space part of it
< 1343558004 395626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CM9 build script just copies that file from a stock rom XD
< 1343558009 952974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cheapo webcam here which does JPEG already on the camera side, and (as far as I know) doesn't support returning non-uncompressed stuff at all.
< 1343558031 511257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The V4L api has image formats for things returning JPEG-compressed stuff, so it's possible to do it in the driver.
< 1343558042 234731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343558044 893376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course it could be using a custom extension if V4L didn't have a standard for it.)
< 1343558053 330150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how would I go about figuring out if it is possible
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< 1343558066 718150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that API looks horrible
< 1343558107 986255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the headers for v4l
< 1343558111 28431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find them
< 1343558134 581220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh videodev2.h
< 1343558180 285558 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B04A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343558276 542483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... I was wondering why tab complete for ~/src was broken. Turned out I was sshed to the wrong system
< 1343558292 833645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a host name of about the same length
< 1343558299 9758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same prompt colouring
< 1343558342 867287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If strace supports logging read(2) data into file, you could also do that, take a picture, then try to see if there's some kind of a full-frame sized (sequence of) reads that looks like raw RGB data.
< 1343558407 172900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thing is, the process issuing ioctls to the device file never read from it
< 1343558410 253814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I could tell
< 1343558421 25097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1343558449 634020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Well, it could have some sort of a camera daemon involved. I'unno.
< 1343558539 95701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my compiler errors out on including linux/videodev2.h
< 1343558555 312958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with field timestamp having incomplete type
< 1343558580 589319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh timeval
< 1343558584 229277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which header is that
< 1343558617 21331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343559078 102471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, why is open() in a different header than close()?
< 1343559141 107324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you know why?
< 1343559360 85365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, though they're not exactly coupled. I mean, you can close anything (so unistd is a reasonable place for it), but you can open only files.
< 1343559384 257287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reflects existing practice" is probably the official (un)reason.
< 1343559561 672143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ultra high speed +" in that cdrecord -prcap output is approaching Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo levels of nomenclature.
< 1343559579 30353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I read the caps successfully and it returned what I expected, that just lists the name of it though
< 1343559597 293828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1343559623 704475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, USB is having the same issue
< 1343559645 333753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they keep inventing names like that for USB. Everybody just calls it USB2 or USB3
< 1343559740 433711 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you ever looked at display resolution names
< 1343559754 377220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the video capture interface had a separate query-capabilities thing, but maybe it just has the really awkward thing where you probe with VIDIOC_TRY_FMT to find how high you can go.
< 1343559949 291951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes. I tried to forget I did.
< 1343559964 423581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it was okay when it was VGA and SVGA. Then it got absurd
< 1343559989 746368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I'm looking at the general capability thing so far only
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< 1343560001 708494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I want to use it anyway to find out why I have so many /dev/video*
< 1343560024 513539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How many is so many? 
< 1343560029 173350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is output of some sort, since the android window compositor (called surfaceflinger) has it open
< 1343560048 485525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/video0   /dev/video11  /dev/video16  /dev/video20
< 1343560048 503963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/video1   /dev/video12  /dev/video2   /dev/video3
< 1343560049 946265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there
< 1343560059 992632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite many.
< 1343560082 818858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, here is the /sys info about them: http://sprunge.us/WCjS
< 1343560096 541138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, video0 is the back camera, video1 is the user facing camera
< 1343560121 752854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surfaceflinger uses video2 and video16
< 1343560121 956967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is the one the window compositor has open? 
< 1343560123 862013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1343560140 60130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no idea what those virtual ones are
< 1343560151 146061 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what is wrong with WHUXGA (Wide Hexadecatuple Ultra Extender Graphics Array)?
< 1343560193 476808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them could be a V4L2 video overlay thing, I suppose. Though I'm not so sure why.
< 1343560236 755543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well WHUXGA, es un estándar de pantalla que puede soportar una resolución máxima de 7680 × 4800 pixels, con una relación de 16:10!
< 1343560264 263011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un monitor de 7680 × 4320, podría considerarse también como un WHUXGA
< 1343560269 264201 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that spanis?
< 1343560276 59832 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h
< 1343560278 994087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i don't understand it
< 1343560282 114385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ouch
< 1343560340 343333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, video11 driver is s5p-jpeg 
< 1343560342 929694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is
< 1343560351 22551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for video12
< 1343560369 577454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :video16 driver is s5p-tvout-tvif
< 1343560382 38242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :card is "Samsung TVOUT TV Interface"
< 1343560394 123530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, messy.
< 1343560404 754442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only a video0 and video1 on the N900; I suppose corresponding to the front and back cameras.
< 1343560415 210867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the TV-out is handled differently.
< 1343560417 62650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, video20 is s5p-tvout-vo, and "Samsung TVOUT Video Overlay"
< 1343560443 155298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the tv out stuff, none of the devices reported useful "card" values
< 1343560462 197728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :either just the same as the driver name, or something similar
< 1343560483 304431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUXGA is a display standard that can support a resolution maximum of 7680 x 4800 pixels , with a ratio of 16:10.  A monitor of 7680 × 4320, could also be considered as a WHUXGA
< 1343560495 582256 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm google translate did really well on that
< 1343560544 926928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://sprunge.us/XWQe (haven't written code to decode capabilities yet)
< 1343560557 374316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you stringify arguments in CPP now again
< 1343560559 42411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it ##?
< 1343560562 526541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.
< 1343560566 21023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :## is token-pasting.
< 1343560573 494842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. or just #?
< 1343560580 144446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just '#'.
< 1343560582 547030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343560587 536816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curse my proper punctuation.)
< 1343560731 95089 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english hasn't really prepared itself for having notations embedded within it
< 1343560779 668754 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g 24
< 1343560834 729323 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g 23
< 1343560840 463681 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343560845 504173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I guess the cross compiler header doesn't match my system header
< 1343560853 420658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some defines give errors
< 1343560880 136069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it is different, stripped of all comments for a start
< 1343560880 784087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1343560933 440816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Chuck says, ""Hello, world", and then he quotes me as saying "Chuck, I want you to print "Hello, world!"""
< 1343560933 659223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optomized for compilation speed. :p
< 1343560949 463554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those capabilities are kinda weird if I look at my own . The 0x40000000 and 0x08 bits that most of them have don't match anything, and they all have V4L2_CAP_VBI_CAPTURE and V4L2_CAP_VBI_OUTPUT set, which sounds pretty strange.
< 1343560950 450335 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think what i just said doesn't count as good writing
< 1343560970 138390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone has a newer kernel than my desktop. But I guess the header might be older, from whatever oldest version the NDK supports
< 1343561099 692534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to alternate between " and ' when nesting quotations in English, I believe.
< 1343561107 697252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://sprunge.us/cQTO
< 1343561167 489784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's quite a few bits in the caps that don't match any of your defines, I suppose. (And it's slightly weird that all of them claim output (and most, overlay) capabilities.
< 1343561180 356946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1343561181 331348 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1343561205 586025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is overlay in v4l context?
< 1343561211 886567 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I guess it might be that the driver claims that
< 1343561229 147580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the s3c-fimc seems to handle both input and output devices
< 1343561261 183460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a thing that can be used to write video into a graphics card's screen. A bit like XVideo except done at the V4L level.
< 1343561267 409322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343561285 450890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I need to test something then
< 1343561351 944043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, playing a video with the built in video player makes the mediaserver process open video3
< 1343561392 186505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no difference from the lsof point of view if I use full screen video or "floating window" video
< 1343561423 794537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happens when I open a video in vlc for android
< 1343561442 710443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't test floating window for it, since it lacks that feature
< 1343561471 95526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the overlay API can specify a window position and size, so it should be pretty same for floating or fullscreen, if it's using that directly.
< 1343561488 526853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1343561507 960866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :both use hardware acceleration anyway, iirc vlc has an option to turn that off, might try that
< 1343561533 343180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't open video3 then
< 1343561572 808038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I wonder what those high bits in the caps are
< 1343561593 31362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually...
< 1343561611 408565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are accounted for
< 1343561621 999520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: That's quite a few bits in the caps that don't match any of your defines, I suppose. (And it's slightly weird that all of them claim output (and most, overlay) capabilities. <-- which device do you mean?
< 1343561659 750616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them, pretty much. 0x4000007d has 7 set bits but only four outputs.
< 1343561677 525370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0x2d has five set bits but only one decoded line.
< 1343561688 414571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/five/four/ I can't count.
< 1343561689 246825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343561693 866158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343561706 461660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the stuff doesn't match
< 1343561732 717455 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: most notations aren't actually embedded in english
< 1343561739 748152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x4000007d decodes to include V4L2_CAP_STREAMING, but that is 0x4000000 not 0x40000000
< 1343561741 29937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343561745 4030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notion itself doesn't even make sense.
< 1343561752 185294 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :notations are seperate from english
< 1343561758 764117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1343561767 128162 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that ASCII isn't prepared for "notations"
< 1343561769 199022 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not english.
< 1343561770 2787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, I assumed the numbers in your other header are different.
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< 1343561790 462606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does that work then
< 1343561798 87059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it report V4L2_CAP_STREAMING
< 1343561811 131500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the one you're using to compile, as opposed to the one I was looking at.
< 1343561819 405687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343561834 207812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the one I'm using to compile matches my system one except a few defines are missing
< 1343561842 46130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda weird, then.
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< 1343561855 48024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
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< 1343561856 835252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1343561859 922075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, printf typo
< 1343561865 35156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d at the end is wrong
< 1343561870 181434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh.
< 1343561870 342255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did %xd
< 1343561871 921488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1343561883 603207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that explains a lot. I *was* wondering about weird-looking numbers.
< 1343561904 448840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that x wasn't a modifier for d
< 1343561926 561303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :%od, for octo-decimal.
< 1343561941 51704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well %d as opposed to %u
< 1343561950 456175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense
< 1343561962 425580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do signed and unsigned %x and %o
< 1343561991 217274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the %i alias for %d to muddy the waters more.
< 1343561997 263712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1343562004 669189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the subtle difference for %i and %d for *scanf.)
< 1343562081 826200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that difference?
< 1343562157 221672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out the various capture queries
< 1343562214 920157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :%d is explicitly decimal, but %i is like base 0 for strtol, so you can type in 0123/0x123 for octal/hex.
< 1343562274 751047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343562307 774501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to avoid the scanf family of functions, never liked that interface. And error handling is too much of a pain with it
< 1343562332 970126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite bad. Especially for any line-oriented input, since it tends to leave the newline if things fail.
< 1343562348 647490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A getline-style thing followed by sscanf could work for something, though.
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< 1343562373 762717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea how to control the flash btw?
< 1343562380 173695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a v4l thing?
< 1343562410 988721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :None whatsoever. It's not a standard-standard V4L thing, since it's not really camera-oriented at all. It could be some sort of a common extension, though.
< 1343562417 550657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343562464 410077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the way of doing "take a picture" (i.e. get a single high-resolution frame) isn't really a V4L thing, though I suppose it can be just a "switch formats, read one frame, switch back" thing.
< 1343562477 590275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know about focus control.
< 1343562526 181332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343562567 252324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that might be easier to figure out once I get the hang of the general v4l interface
< 1343562705 376717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I understand why android uses a user space daemon for camera access now. The API doesn't look multitask friendly at all
< 1343562706 548041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All your devices apparently deal with the V4L2_CAP_STREAMING way of IO, so you'll need to bother with that too. (You never read(2) anything; you just VIDIOC_REQBUFS some suitable buffers, then mmap them, and the device will communicate data that way.
< 1343562764 486850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1343562769 539593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the lack of read() then
< 1343562773 928339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the strace
< 1343562794 657930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21: most notations aren't actually embedded in english --  #.  ## is token-pasting.  #. or just #?  Just '#'.  ah  (Curse my proper punctuation.)
< 1343562799 155762 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343562861 18138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343562866 463721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually paying attention
< 1343562889 639473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the mmap style of interface makes sense when you are dealing with 8MP images
< 1343562905 832519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I like this page: http://v4l2spec.bytesex.org/spec/x5950.htm
< 1343562918 450833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1343562934 502191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense for video in general, thanks to having to move lots of frames.
< 1343562938 762426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1343562951 675491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't matter for a 320x280 or whatever webcam though
< 1343562965 475327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have such a device around somewhere
< 1343562975 678059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those quickcam thingies (USB one)
< 1343562977 158222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :320x240 sounds more likely.
< 1343562979 662360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :256x240
< 1343562980 147209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343562987 870001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^256x224
< 1343562996 852272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a triangular base
< 1343563000 439954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :256x224 = ZGA
< 1343563034 212897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very cheap USB webcam somewhere, but it does do 640x480 at least.
< 1343563070 458272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZGA is when zzo finally decides to do a movie player for NES
< 1343563143 215404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its already been done
< 1343563165 3452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine might do 640x480
< 1343563166 816320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1343563193 305309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh, 640x360 is called "nHD" because it's one ninth of a 16:9 1080p frame. I wondered about the name at some point.
< 1343563263 100090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HD" as a term is such a mess, too, since you never know whether it means 720p or 1080p.
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< 1343563618 913495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To query the current image format applications set the type field of a struct v4l2_format to V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_CAPTURE and call the VIDIOC_G_FMT ioctl with a pointer to this structure. Drivers fill the struct v4l2_pix_format pix member of the fmt union."
< 1343563621 663222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that didn't work
< 1343563622 553805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all
< 1343563628 470675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :EINVAL
< 1343563677 552945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I heard talk about 4096p in the future. Presumably HD as well
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< 1343563739 282775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have that "4K" 3840×2160 for which screens exist, and the proposed "8K" 7680×4320 thing.
< 1343563752 971655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is 3840×2160 4k?
< 1343563809 10024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why it's called that.
< 1343563815 600824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QFHD is I guess the "proper name".
< 1343563829 716133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's twice the "full-HD" 1920x1080 in both dimensions.
< 1343563849 119268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hd seems to mean twice the width resolution as a svga monitor, but the size of a tv and price of $5000 at first
< 1343563877 527377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you count pixels, it's in the same ballpark as the 4K digital cinema formats.
< 1343563884 404702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which aren't all 4096 pixels wide either.
< 1343563950 236308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see
< 1343563952 710000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda feel sorry for all the people for whom a hdtv was luxury for a few years and along came cheaper
< 1343563995 628471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fun thing: the format query only works right after I close the camera app. Presumably the camera enters some sort of sleep mode very quickly
< 1343564009 724114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do I deal with that...
< 1343564017 565346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to strace I guess
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< 1343564052 425916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it will stay open if you open the device and set a format, then keep doing stuff.
< 1343564061 757064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343564076 879553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, even querying the current format will probably only give you the preview stream sizes.
< 1343564106 819294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on the N900, the same video0 interface is used for the preview video and the full-frame capture.
< 1343564169 110750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure but I have to start somewhere
< 1343564184 347332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it game me some sizes that seemed reasonable for preview: 960x720
< 1343564230 387133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm strace on mediaserver didn't do what I intended... it gave I/O errors this time
< 1343564284 924229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell
< 1343564309 337708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading something about the long-ish (half a second?) shutter lag of the N900 coming from the lag of switching capture resolution from the viewfinder size to the full-frame size and resetting things in the process.
< 1343564330 360362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently once it gets going, you can stream full-frame images at 10fps, assuming you had a place where to put them.
< 1343564341 12394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you know what, it doesn't ever call open. Yet the device is suddenly open 
< 1343564347 791153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea how else you could get an fd to a device
< 1343564367 201729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could receive a fd over Unix socekts, but that sounds quite unlikely.
< 1343564367 524807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because yes, according to /proc it is not there before but then it is open while the camera app is running
< 1343564376 539037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what system calls are involved in that?
< 1343564450 298391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... depends on whether the socket is kept permanently open. If it is, then it's just a sendmsg/recvmsg at least code-wise.
< 1343564455 529800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what it is under the hood.
< 1343564460 511841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343564466 176463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does strace follow thread forks?
< 1343564507 901937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume so, but I'm not sure. It has that -f for following child processes from fork(2).
< 1343564525 434541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this thing calls clone() with arguments to create threads
< 1343564549 97307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to use msgget at lot
< 1343564558 400559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is for ipc 
< 1343564611 110511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recv with MSG_OOB
< 1343564611 920397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I don't know if there's some other IPC mechanism that can send credentials, other than Unix sockets. (And I'm not sure if I've ever seen that happen either, though I have a vague feeling that perhaps maybe once.)
< 1343564624 17245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no recvmsg though
< 1343564627 892787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that isn't a syscall
< 1343564650 115800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe some of the android specific IPC thingies?
< 1343564664 226188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is that binder thing I guess
< 1343564670 134822 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what syscalls that expose
< 1343564806 98937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have vague recollections that Linux grouped a lot of socket syscalls into one, but also that strace unentangles them again.
< 1343564824 47361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you see recv as standalone, probably so.
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< 1343564928 367928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSG_OOB is a curious thing to do, even if it's not related. Can you see what kind of socket it is that it does that to? 
< 1343564943 151868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1343564997 122528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, socket ids are just fds right?
< 1343565002 467825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343565019 731888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can get new fds from socket(2) too, but probably not the video device.)
< 1343565019 893576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and first argument of the syscall is the fd?
< 1343565028 806269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of recv? Yes.
< 1343565036 494715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then uh, either strace is broken or wtf
< 1343565078 453699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, socket 11348704 once, then 11348700 and then other numbers of that magnitude
< 1343565089 249790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't match anything open
< 1343565101 660263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can see at least
< 1343565105 544197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1343565108 580107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343565120 750543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Systems nowadays are so complicated. :/
< 1343565148 32435 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm it seems that these are the ones strace gave I/O errors on
< 1343565166 749189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically: "ptrace: umoven: I/O error"
< 1343565192 297232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, doing &> instead of -o puts that error inside the log of those calls
< 1343565204 678155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is wrong
< 1343565259 731265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, none of the other arguments it recorded look relevant at all
< 1343565275 3706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is the value of MSG_OOB?
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< 1343565305 104779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1343565308 371889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope doesn't help
< 1343565446 470904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea what /dev/ashmem is?
< 1343565452 988363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing has a lot of copies of that open
< 1343565454 955785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is
< 1343565504 817216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elinux.org/Android_Kernel_Features says it's "similar to POSIX SHM but with different behavior and sporting a simpler file-based API".
< 1343565564 941646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a remedy the present version of the V4L2 API relaxed the concept of device types with specific names and minor numbers. For compatibility with old applications drivers must still register different minor numbers to assign a default function to the device. But if related functions are supported by the driver they must be available under all registered minor numbers. The desired function can be select
< 1343565564 998718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed after opening the device as described in Chapter 4."
< 1343565574 183286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain why everything reported every feature
< 1343565583 906865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343565603 116156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it doesn't sound impossible that the binder thing is responsible for some of the weirdness.
< 1343565608 878557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1343565624 918810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc binder has been merged in to vanilla as of 3.4 or 3.5 or some such
< 1343565635 201203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably under staging drivers or such
< 1343565690 364636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway if every device support every feature, then why does /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 both correspond to the same driver and presumably controller device, but represent different cameras
< 1343565785 688696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a single driver can still have different minor numbers that expose different cameras. It just says "if related functions are supported"; capturing from different cameras aren't so related.
< 1343565802 519011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343565823 842409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm there is /dev/binder opened as fd 3, and there were a lot of ioctls done on that 
< 1343565852 199637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that 78 and 80. Which were the cameras that were never opened?
< 1343565863 857560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the old way you used to have /dev/video0 and /dev/vbi0 and whatnot related to the same card (with different minor numbers), and I suppose what your quotation means is just that you can nowadays do all that on the /dev/video0.
< 1343565870 152683 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm not smart enough to see a third option between global variables and OO
< 1343565874 6708 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in TCL
< 1343565875 107871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, 80 was the camera
< 1343565876 596586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 78
< 1343565879 206830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 was ashmem
< 1343565903 461234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, monads?
< 1343565910 943899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if you can do that)
< 1343565912 597972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about binder, so I don't know if it could cause a sneaky file-opening.
< 1343565921 618536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that it is tcl, you probably could emulate it)
< 1343565928 640322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l /dev/{vbi,video}*
< 1343565928 658877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 1 2012-07-28 00:05 /dev/vbi0
< 1343565928 658949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 2012-07-28 00:05 /dev/video0
< 1343565933 377150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are actually the same device.
< 1343565947 410335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though they have different minor numbers.
< 1343565970 855941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, what was that '+' there in the mode? 
< 1343566048 214681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ACL I think? Maybe?
< 1343566049 998623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1343566054 351892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that on
< 1343566055 162719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make sense.
< 1343566058 244160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this desktop.
< 1343566062 76280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343566067 317827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does tmpfs even do ACL?
< 1343566077 977930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :check mount to see if ACL is mentionedf
< 1343566080 164857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioned*
< 1343566087 655713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything else of that sort
< 1343566107 715153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could perhaps be selinux or similar as well
< 1343566144 602807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the binder.h file has an enum value called TF_ACCEPT_FDS
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< 1343566167 911345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343566232 166099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Posix ACLs were a good guess, there's an extra "user:fis:rw-" entry according to getfacl. (No idea what sets that up.)
< 1343566251 24171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, consolekit I would /guess/
< 1343566256 776627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which distro?
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< 1343566270 654016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi
< 1343566274 412448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1343566274 431530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343566300 530851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some not too new Ubuntu.
< 1343566314 250212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343566323 572173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ubuntu doesn't do that for other devices at least
< 1343566332 819396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any video* on it
< 1343566337 773441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 10.04?
< 1343566369 262316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is an old PCI analog-TV card that I don't use for anything at all.)
< 1343566408 5254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it looks like it might be possible to send fds over binder
< 1343566424 537564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in replies at least
< 1343566430 200846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really find any docs on it
< 1343566532 706299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away a while.)
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< 1343567612 67542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.androidenea.com/2010/03/share-memory-using-ashmem-and-binder-in.html "The solution is to share the file descriptor with the binder since the binder has special functions that can be used to transfer file descriptors over it's interface."
< 1343567622 175572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's for how to share ashmem blocks between processes.)
< 1343567625 679238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be that.
< 1343567702 606001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343567708 530334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where that device was opened then
< 1343567724 97453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't open in the background
< 1343567824 8642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea how to find out which groups a running process is a member of?
< 1343567842 495746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that perhaps mediaserver doesn't have the proper permissions to open /dev/video0 directly
< 1343567899 260148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in /proc//status.
< 1343567907 786199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gid" and "Groups" for the supplementary groups list.
< 1343567931 1850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Gid" list is the usual suspects, real/effective/saved/fs.)
< 1343567932 134079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wrong user and wrong groups for the file
< 1343567955 619915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying that android doesn't have /etc/passwd
< 1343567965 73097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to map these values to anything meaningful
< 1343567988 620053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediaserver is in 8 different groups
< 1343568105 981534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And speaking of ACLs in /dev, I've got '+'s for /dev/{kvm,rfkill,sg3,sr0,vbi0,video0}.
< 1343568112 204384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1343568113 539877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1343568125 718966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I have that for sr0
< 1343568151 820596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more
< 1343568167 59449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sg3 is the sg corresponding to sr0 here.)
< 1343568171 557300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :adsp, audio, dsp, mixer, rfkill, sequencer, sequencer2, sr0
< 1343568189 112424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for sg* though
< 1343568240 708267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, ~everything in /dev/snd/ too. (Only looked at top level, don't have any audio things there apparently.)
< 1343568272 160458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check recursively
< 1343568320 380670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in /dev/snd, some stuff in /dev/input (far from all) and /dev/dri/card0
< 1343568342 857013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in /dev/input those are event9 to event12
< 1343568346 236532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that have those
< 1343568353 854485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are /dev/input/event* btw?
< 1343568398 949335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon ~ $ LC_ALL=C getfacl /dev/dri/card0
< 1343568399 109760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
< 1343568399 128247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :# file: dev/dri/card0
< 1343568403 402522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do that?
< 1343568463 939231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/input/event* are the generic (as opposed to type-specific, like js/mouse/whatever) interface to input devices, though all kinds of things seem to end up as input devices these days.
< 1343568473 612384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :       -p, --absolute-names
< 1343568473 651114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :           Do not strip leading slash characters (`/'). The default behavior is to strip leading slash characters.
< 1343568478 621902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that doesn't help...
< 1343568480 166807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1343568484 761659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power buttons and whatnot.
< 1343568519 881817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, those are ACPI things
< 1343568539 487294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sys/class/input/event0 here is /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input0/event0 for example.
< 1343568546 698650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what comes in that way.
< 1343568573 493824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did you figure out that mapping?
< 1343568593 927402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1343568594 830150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1343568614 238782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking under /sys/dev/char and couldn't find the device
< 1343568619 988175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is /sys/dev/char incomplete
< 1343568813 264269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZbhM -- two power buttons for some reason.
< 1343568854 206588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the keyboard has two event devices for it.
< 1343568912 451372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that's quite a short list by modern standards; compare the laptop: http://sprunge.us/bSfF
< 1343569003 420394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's things like event6 "BisonCam, NB Pro", "usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.6/button" even though the (built-in) webcam doesn't have any sort of button exposed.
< 1343569089 220287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what all those "HDMI/DP,pcm=X" EV_SW (switch) type things are either.
< 1343569103 151368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1343569135 977075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing lsinput now
< 1343569157 836369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo lsinput
< 1343569158 1075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/input/event0
< 1343569158 19594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol version mismatch (expected 65536, got 65537)
< 1343569161 544458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was interesting
< 1343569166 526749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1343569185 8495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have a custom kernel though to work around some issues with wifi monitor mode
< 1343569191 99600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that is it
< 1343569675 364232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that second device of the keyboard is doing. 'input-events' dumping says all regular keypresses come in via the first one. And the second one has EV_REL EV_ABS (relative and absolute motion events) listed in the types, which sounds a bit strange for a keyboard.
< 1343569735 941530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the multimedia keys use the other device.
< 1343569880 893755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343569904 762286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, multimedia keys are often done by ACPI iirc
< 1343570137 135822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a separate USB keyboard, though.
< 1343570155 774042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting note: there is no speed difference between grep "constant string" and grep -F "constant string", but there is a large if you add -i to those
< 1343570163 824493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -Fi is much faster than grep -i
< 1343570191 353367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(checked by grep -Ri / grep -RFi on kernel sources)
< 1343570259 473842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to lsusb, the keyboard is also a mouse: http://sprunge.us/QEiE
< 1343570383 567280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fancy keyboard
< 1343570411 888088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on matching the lsusb bInterfaceNumber and sysfs stuff, it's the mouse that is reporting all the multimedia key events.
< 1343570437 465042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a good reason.
< 1343570556 623961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343570959 830497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1343571763 965323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ais523
< 1343572762 479114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1343572936 634832 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I've just figured out how to make the thingy on the left hand side of the screen on Ubuntu appear?
< 1343573096 408457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what are you talking about?
< 1343573150 759081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that's in Unity, I suppose.
< 1343573165 870412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unity_5.12_on_Ubuntu_12.04.png
< 1343573167 846368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing.
< 1343573220 897656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1343573249 695459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to make it appear either, but it might be different if you've actually been using it.
< 1343573280 856589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Ubuntu's my primary OS
< 1343573309 432037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1343573323 101385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mine, too, but despite all their efforts, Unity != Ubuntu quite yet.
< 1343573341 43536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going xubuntu on next LTS release
< 1343573353 465069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't really be bothered to switch to GNOME or X or CLI or whatever
< 1343573366 994112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the new LTS is out, but not for upgrading from last LTS yet
< 1343573372 200363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you've used unity for months and only now figure out how to launch applications from it?
< 1343573386 187808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't notify me about that until the first point release of the new LTS
< 1343573387 483993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, I just used to press flag to bring the whole thing up
< 1343573422 240469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flag
< 1343573431 15875 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows key
< 1343573437 185113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a picture of a flag on it
< 1343573445 117648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preview of program I'm writing: S I I (S (K (S (S (K S) (S (K (S (K (S (S (K S) (S (K K) (S (K S) (S (K (S (S K K))) K)))) (K K))))) (S (K S) (S (K (S ( K S))) (S (K K)))))))) (S (S (K S) (S (K K) S)) (K (S (K S) (S (K (S ( K S))) (S (K K))))))) (K I) I
< 1343573483 778551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one, however, will be EFFICIENT ish
< 1343573495 145475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it probably won't be
< 1343573696 682283 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pure SKI or LazyK? also what it does?
< 1343573706 539959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, pure SKI
< 1343573719 686967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite list of fibonacci numbers, I hope
< 1343573798 769089 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1343573905 770355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
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< 1343574374 624524 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some pretty epic type errors
< 1343574383 600489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
< 1343574383 814455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :      a0
< 1343574383 832979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :      =
< 1343574383 833169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574384 101995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :      -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0) -> a0
< 1343574386 106062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: (((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574388 109437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> (a0 -> a0) -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0) -> a0)
< 1343574390 111344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0) -> a0
< 1343574392 114830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: (((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574394 183338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    -> (a0 -> a0) -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0) -> a0)
< 1343574396 183472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> (((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574398 192062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574400 187896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a0 -> a0)
< 1343574402 189541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> a0
< 1343574404 193085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `k', namely `s'
< 1343574406 194860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `s', namely `(k s)'
< 1343574408 198490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really keep my working
< 1343574625 887478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what does black pudding taste like
< 1343574636 956140 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meat
< 1343574652 343805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1343574665 140566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no intentions of ever tasting black pudding
< 1343574678 87522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks like it would taste like disgusting cooked congealed blood with random shit stuffed in it.
< 1343574691 914417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I'm mistaken
< 1343574697 779269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SKI doesn't type in Hindley-Milner
< 1343574697 798464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343574703 863712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343574703 883005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 1h 37m ago:  ais is always surprising  i wish i had a twisted mind like his at my disposal  like a brain-in-a-jar or something like that
< 1343574708 967116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does if you're insane
< 1343574729 563331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made the Y combinator in Haskell with the help of unsafe coerces

< 1343574743 48154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made a factorial program based on that

< 1343574748 7164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you've seen it
< 1343574755 60493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1343574759 282292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1343574765 282960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: then you're not really in Hindley-Milner any more
< 1343574771 544954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right
< 1343574780 935147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was still surprised that GHC's runtime knew what to do with my code.
< 1343574805 56012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you've got exactly the opposite mindset to me
< 1343574820 18860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised when it core-dumps when I try to use 10 as a function
< 1343574830 614538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that surprising at all?
< 1343574852 452350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're unsafely coercing things, you'd expect trying to use 10 as a function to attempt to call a function in the eleventh memory location
< 1343574874 624585 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how unsafeCoerce works
< 1343574876 818204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda magic to me
< 1343574882 85736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure unsafeCoerce 10 :: functiontype will interpret 10 :: Integer
< 1343574883 225309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not :: Int
< 1343574886 376808 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does absolutely nothing
< 1343574892 73863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be a pointer still
< 1343574896 77505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, OK
< 1343574906 553851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll attempt to call a block of memory, as a function, that contains a bignum representation of 10
< 1343574917 519565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, couldn't you use that mechanism to run arbitrary asm
< 1343574929 270391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: functoins are more than just funptrs, obviously.
< 1343574930 104200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures
< 1343574936 80823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be in the same format
< 1343574936 880282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you INSANE ENOUGH TOO!?
< 1343574939 196585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK
< 1343574940 676079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect it to just give an RTS error
< 1343574941 31131 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as other STG closures
< 1343574945 783697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that case is handled
< 1343574955 710205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can probably find a block of memory that's a closure/bignum polyglot
< 1343574971 856150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a good bignum representation will use pretty much every possible byte sequence
< 1343574981 430384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems possible
< 1343574987 308259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only if you don't understand how stg works
< 1343575000 167641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a standard object format in GHC
< 1343575021 278482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the byte sequence would need to point at things that /actually/ exist though
< 1343575024 559611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the tricky part
< 1343575078 636463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there more than one level of indirection?
< 1343575095 829132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first section of the closure points to a structure that contains all the free variables.
< 1343575180 997374 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343575185 972422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first word in a closure points to the info table
< 1343575190 166364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the words *are* the free variables
< 1343575207 910494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1343575219 94784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the info table contains the function pointer?
< 1343575236 885152 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343575250 71585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the tables next to code optimization, the info table pointer is the function pointer
< 1343575256 870326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the info table itself appears immediately before the function
< 1343575260 794939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :serves me right for only half-assedly reading papers about STF.
< 1343575262 90053 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*G
< 1343575269 121194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because jumping to that function is by far the most common operation you do with the info ptr
< 1343575293 187570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1343575307 494509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the function pointer is basically the first field of the info table.
< 1343575339 639281 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C cast magic makes it so that you can jump to the function pointer without the extra level of indirection.
< 1343575345 571709 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not C
< 1343575346 702725 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :neverminde
< 1343575352 764165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, computer magic
< 1343575355 922337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1343575362 316483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the function pointer is the first field of the info table, you still need to dereference twice
< 1343575377 542444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tables next to code, the info table appears immediately before the function code in memory
< 1343575377 772401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, indeed.
< 1343575397 367061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the closures store a pointer to that function code
< 1343575409 751479 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that calling the function is accomplished through a single indirect jump
< 1343575424 208082 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing other things with the info table requires that you subtract the table size from the function pointer
< 1343575437 166257 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a weird thing to do, interleaving data and code
< 1343575441 407325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tools like LLVM have trouble with it
< 1343575443 925420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1343575445 559117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense
< 1343575461 289831 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you disassemble a GHC produced binary you will see these tables in the .text segment
< 1343575577 532184 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not weird, it's just an efficient memory layout.
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< 1343575636 357976 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with this code?
< 1343575637 658686 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ML_GETINT(x) \
< 1343575637 739147 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        ptr = strtok(NULL, " "); if(!ptr) break; \
< 1343575637 757799 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :        mmt.##x = atoi(ptr);
< 1343575640 305377 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :            ML_GETINT(HDisplay);
< 1343575663 139262 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get error: error: pasting "." and "HDisplay" does not give a valid preprocessing token
< 1343575680 616273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is ##x
< 1343575685 210375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't want paste there
< 1343575689 72735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mmt.x
< 1343575704 198780 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is part of svgalib code
< 1343575727 387226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: to preprocess «foo##bar», you preprocess foo and bar, and then concatencate the results into a single token
< 1343575746 296424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to e.g. prefix variable names with some standard prefix within a macro
< 1343575792 684289 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I thought CPP was just simple text substition. didn't realize it worked at a token level.
< 1343575817 657492 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it won't substitute within a single word
< 1343575827 412122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you #define foo to something, a variable named foobar is left alone
< 1343575862 368688 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns something new about C everytime it's brought up .

< 1343575877 198643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because I haven't read a legitimate resource on it.
< 1343575895 606477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just countless shitty C tutorials that appear prominently on google searches.
< 1343575908 198497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some other piece of code use token-pasting for member access, though. Perhaps it has worked in one compiler or another.
< 1343576000 340135 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. src/vgamisc.c:50: static void *__svgalib_linearframebuffer; src/vgabg.h:30: void *__svgalib_linearframebuffer;
< 1343576017 558097 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they ever get svgalib to compile?
< 1343576026 843251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they don't.
< 1343576032 219873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen much svgalib users lately.
< 1343576114 452326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, two tokens that don't together form a valid token cannot be pasted together. For example, you cannot concatenate x with + in either order. If you try, the preprocessor issues a warning and emits the two tokens. Whether it puts white space between the tokens is undefined. It is common to find unnecessary uses of `##' in complex macros. If you get this warning, it is likely that you ...
< 1343576120 518496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... can simply remove the `##'."
< 1343576125 82286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCC's CPP's manual.)
< 1343576174 54273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose spurious ##s have been mostly used with compilers that are silent and just produce the two tokens.
< 1343576256 373075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've just installed gcc 3.2.2 and I get the warning [in question] when compiling code that worked just fine with 2.95.3." Yeah.
< 1343576271 494833 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1343576303 417966 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting svgalib to compile with gcc 4.5 is huge pain in the ass
< 1343576320 758071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a terrible surprise.
< 1343576327 412096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would compile just fine with gcc 2.95.
< 1343576356 984283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure someone hasn't already done the required pain, though? People do the strangest things.
< 1343576383 937283 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not going to compile old gcc with new gcc so I can compile old gcc again this time with the broken old gcc new gcc produced
< 1343576412 208311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's e.g. a file called "svgalib-1.9.19-gcc4.patch" in the Gentoo svgalib ebuild.
< 1343576463 793445 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I access gentoo ebuild with slitaz?
< 1343576484 412771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/media-libs/svgalib/files/ for example.
< 1343576502 611281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though interestingly I'm not seeing the gcc-4 patch there.
< 1343576510 78044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The changelog promised one.)
< 1343576516 334998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which svgalib you're compiling, anyway? 
< 1343576546 164613 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newest one, 1.4.3
< 1343576553 950671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there you go.
< 1343576559 793889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try 1.9.25.
< 1343576584 418932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's going to be different and all that.
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< 1343578445 609401 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1343578460 165224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what does svgalib even do?
< 1343578504 248029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not going to compile old gcc with new gcc so I can compile old gcc again this time with the broken old gcc new gcc produced <-- I have run into that problem when doing a gcc 3.x cross compiler
< 1343578517 218701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to compile gcc 3.x native with gcc 4.1 or something like that first
< 1343578531 117286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had to build gcc 4.1 with 4.6 which was what my system had
< 1343579266 481814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they ever fix the thing in minecraft where
< 1343579270 894617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use a bed in the nether it just explodes
< 1343579275 121174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say no
< 1343579360 374115 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that was a thing that was to be fixed
< 1343579377 212707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a feature, not a bug
< 1343579385 665787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are not supposed to be able to sleep in the nether
< 1343579738 900969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1343579744 971283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "fix" as in "make less silly"
< 1343579773 256726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you make it less silly?
< 1343579778 379408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :an error message?
< 1343579782 444720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1343579786 951635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an explosion is pretty silly!!!
< 1343579800 909014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they should totally remove TNT and creepers too
< 1343579824 767625 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of on the fence on this issue
< 1343579830 111168 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exploding beds is rather silly
< 1343579864 756750 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's more fun than a message saying "The eery whispers trapped beneath your pillow won't let you sleep"
< 1343579872 116878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is all that silly for sleeping in the nether. Better than an arbitrary "you can't rest here"
< 1343579931 157157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, does vanilla minecraft still do "you can't sleep while there are monsters nearby"?
< 1343579943 805538 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so?
< 1343579947 15058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1343579950 310979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do instead
< 1343579967 54164 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1343579971 901409 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't test it out atm
< 1343579983 531429 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New computer, still setting up
< 1343579991 574669 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't got Java installed yet
< 1343580011 749811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play with a mod called Somnia that basically simulates the entire night (but without rendering it and trying to run the simulation as fast as possible, so generally it takes less than half a minute to simulate an entire night, or day)
< 1343580014 985390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beds are cheaper than tnt right
< 1343580038 165066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the issue is, you will be at the centre of the explosion
< 1343580044 774416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike with TNT where you can be at a distance
< 1343580054 658263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can activate them from a fair range i think
< 1343580080 540100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it moves you to the bed first though
< 1343580088 404222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it out though, I don't know for sure
< 1343580152 809713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must iptables be so complicated
< 1343580176 597291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, does anyone know what a match on !lo+ means for the in-interface value?
< 1343580189 232827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "not lo+" but I don't know what the + does to "lo"
< 1343580189 444805 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say "Oi, Phantom_Hoover! Go lie down on that bed there! I wanna test whether this explosion prevention mechanism works or not!"
< 1343580198 266258 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1343580245 351153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ease of use and flexibility: You can't have both
< 1343580306 362231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, lets say you can't have both something that is easy to master and also flexible. And making something that is easy to use and flexible is not easy
< 1343580327 809764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/both something that is/something that is both/
< 1343580354 435407 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mistyped os:timestamp/0 as os:timestampe/0. I got kickse out of that.
< 1343580368 756949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is that erlang?
< 1343580373 914564 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1343580392 78007 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, not in my erl -man os?
< 1343580392 888484 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye old timestampes of os
< 1343580395 883284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version has that
< 1343580411 459815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have forgot to keep up-to-date on it
< 1343580420 928288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Erlang R14B04 (erts-5.8.5) [source] [64-bit] [smp:4:4] [rq:4] [async-threads:0] [kernel-poll:false]
< 1343580429 372013 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not up do date at all, it’s the Ubuntu 12.04 package.
< 1343580442 139013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :R14B03 here
< 1343580444 342867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it does have timestampe in -man os)
< 1343580451 613797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like R15B01 is out
< 1343580504 700709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I suspect that they will deprecate the typo when they find it, then keep it around for about 2 major versions for compatibility
< 1343580508 379416 :Taneb!4e940732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.7.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
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< 1343580774 333308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, what are you writing in erlang?
< 1343580796 607134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Not anything at the moment.
< 1343580817 331524 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not anything for a long time.
< 1343580825 834523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, hm why is my os:timestamp/0 correctly spelled in R14B03 then if your R14B04 is typoed
< 1343580895 988988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Ah, we both seem to have misunderstood each other. :-) I thought you knew i was kidding when i said -man os has “timestampe� and i thought you were continuing the joke when you said they’ll keep it for compatibility.
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< 1343581067 582886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, where was it typoed then?
< 1343581077 336589 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on IRC
< 1343581079 440676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343581093 916060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, anyway if they did typo the function name they would seriously keep it around like that
< 1343581102 467205 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1343581114 773560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :referer
< 1343581123 132019 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1343581126 926414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not kidding, I remember them doing that for something around R12 or R11
< 1343581137 60058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?
< 1343581145 385726 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Yes, i know you’re not kidding. :-)
< 1343581146 988697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1343581150 735581 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: (HTTP)
< 1343581152 506918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which standard was that?
< 1343581155 139356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343581198 218855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That typo has saved the world a countless amount of bandwidth over the years.
< 1343581326 283383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1343581349 984805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we estimate the number of HTTP requests world wide per time unit in any way
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< 1343581363 381771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a low estimate would be interesting
< 1343581384 560268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people with internet is there approx?
< 1343581459 899510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a billion, IIRC
< 1343581487 774799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm estimated in 2010 to be 35% in 2011 is the best number I can find
< 1343581500 597156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of approx 7 billion
< 1343581513 769715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2.45 billion then
< 1343581568 109112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since background stuff (i.e. web services and similar) won't use referer most of the time probably we can discount such stuff
< 1343581610 940570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,  and such causes referer right?
< 1343581622 985867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, maybe
< 1343581625 95412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1343581627 769802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343581630 667009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's how you do hotlink prevention
< 1343581637 464873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1343581679 99161 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14 < Vorpal> nortti, what does svgalib even do? // svgalib provides programs a way to set and use (s)vga video modes
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< 1343581719 770596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets say 2 billion people to be on the safe side. Each visiting 5 pages per day (low arbitrary number). None of them with referer. Each having maybe 10 images, javascripts, css files and so on. Then we get 2 billion * 10
< 1343581738 490994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :billion is 10^9 in English right?
< 1343581766 742844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343581789 253430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better to waste the internet bandwidth by running it inefficiently than letting criminals control it 
< 1343581793 591762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10^9*5*2 bytes to gigabytes
< 1343581804 441015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[]
< 1343581807 238970 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, completely unrelated to current discussion
< 1343581808 211663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1343581814 67941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do I use frink
< 1343581838 744692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *10 not *2
< 1343581841 22417 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10^9*5*2 bytes to gigabytes"
< 1343581855 609892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh quotes?
< 1343581859 180416 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one
< 1343581859 394816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink "10^9*5*10 bytes to gigabytes"
< 1343581860 854571 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343581861 668661 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well for instance, i reload say 40 pages when i restart.. often on account of firefox memory leaks
< 1343581866 193871 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found it funny
< 1343581867 992006 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^9*5*10 bytes to gigabytes
< 1343581880 487774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the syntax for frink
< 1343581884 706165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. i waste bandwidth for convenience
< 1343581887 34847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm?
< 1343581888 644932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ->, not to
< 1343581890 106062 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never heard of fronk
< 1343581890 431015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343581893 179349 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink neither
< 1343581900 981747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WOLFRAM ALPHA WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD ME!
< 1343581902 844137 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I../include -L../sharedlib -s -o restorefont restorefont.o -lvga -lm
< 1343581905 848154 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvga
< 1343581906 301325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10^9*5*10 bytes -> gigabytes
< 1343581915 601052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :50
< 1343581919 629568 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't -lvga be before sourcw file?
< 1343581922 44959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking!!
< 1343581923 543254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 50 gb per day in this case
< 1343581933 135395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is probably a low count
< 1343581943 651646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it is probably a very low count
< 1343581947 159910 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 50 billion in billions is 50
< 1343581973 209967 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to inform the ministry of numbers
< 1343581991 544865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10^9*5*10 bytes -> gibibytes
< 1343581997 737757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more interesting
< 1343582001 361813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :48828125/1048576 (approx. 46.566128730773926)
< 1343582020 151640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it turns out it is in fact ~46.57
< 1343582020 346554 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's far less interesting
< 1343582047 246231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway on the whole it doesn't save much
< 1343582057 257901 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ministry of numbers would be all like meh dude that's boring
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< 1343582126 676201 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1343582201 657590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: By convention, libraries after sources, because some linkers process command line left-to-right, and when encountering a "-lfoo" will only pull out from libfoo.a objects that resolve any as-yet unresolved symbols; so if you -lfoo first, nothing will get taken from the library.
< 1343582252 837928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you need to start with the file containing main first then?
< 1343582257 895550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to some other object file
< 1343582269 458027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this just for libraries?
< 1343582332 386776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I remember having to do -lx -ly -lx style sometime to resolve some complex semi-circular thing, since it didn't pull the entire libx.a, just what was needed from it
< 1343582339 291204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and liby.a needed some other parts
< 1343582355 325031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not have been on a *nix system
< 1343582357 599300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember
< 1343582384 394390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, liby was only pulled in from libx)
< 1343582401 458434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for libraries. If you give an object file, those tools will generally assume you want to link it regardless.
< 1343582701 544520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/lib/libsearch.html
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< 1343587633 886418 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1343587712 388664 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change of plans, bye
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< 1343588716 505331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15:36:  kmc: 16:15  How can I convert `Maybe a` to `IO ()`?
< 1343588719 591964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15:40:  Refreshing, isn't it?
< 1343588722 116293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :word.
< 1343588906 210801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one
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< 1343589629 930659 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulseaudio: the audio breaking daemon.
< 1343589803 974076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "pulse" in the name refers to the fact that if you're exceedingly lucky, you might get short "pulses" of working audio when the planets align. (That said, this is a PulseAudio system and it has no trouble with the audio part either.)
< 1343589829 999823 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently had a weird problem: mpd and only mpd could play audio.
< 1343589836 937015 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it by removing pulseaudio.
< 1343589878 202030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have PulseAudio in my phone, too. (A sad state of affairs?) 
< 1343590305 332817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of audio, I'd also like if the laptop could partake in producing sound out of the stereo system, and there's an unused coax s/pdif wire already in cable channels between the laptop (approx) and the stereo... but the laptop does digital audio only via a 3.5mm jack that has a TOSLINK led behind the electric parts. The only TOSLINK cable I have is just 1m; and anyway from what I hear ...
< 1343590311 372421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... TOSLINK cables only go up to about 5m well, and break if bent too sharply.
< 1343590367 290393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I looked at doing general-purpose network audio, things seemed very messy. Especially if Windows was involved.
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< 1343590920 15133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look, an SO question! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11707171/haskell-sub-typeclass-requires-undecidableinstances
< 1343590924 449372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's already been answered by now.
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< 1343593213 993722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which (non-interactive) assemblers do you know that have an emulator built-in?
< 1343593214 50674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343593499 683235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages
< 1343593499 738825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 10h 29m 48s ago: Prelude.Generalize.choice is identical to Data.Foldable.asum, which Prelude.Generalize exports anyway
< 1343593685 825788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are emulators/simulators with an assembler built-in; does that count? 
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< 1343594017 779094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know. Which ones do you mean?
< 1343594041 148292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean non-interactive systems so they might not count.
< 1343594149 793263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIM, the MIPS simulator, (IIRC) works so that you just give it an assembly source file, and it uses the integrated assembler to assemble it, then emulates a MIPS system to run the result. Though I suppose it also has an interactive debugger mode.
< 1343594269 845462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What is then done by the result when emulated?
< 1343594772 948825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, really. I think you can inspect the contents of the memory afterwards, and the emulator has system calls that can produce output, which you can then inspect. (Come to think of it, I suppose it counts as interactive since I believe it has some input syscalls too, I've just never used them.)
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< 1343595123 918640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah disconnections are back
< 1343595157 874928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simultaneously ruining my theory that they were due to something my previous housemates were doing
< 1343595207 586342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that true? Do you know what your previous housemates are doing right now? 
< 1343595211 699682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might be doing the same things.
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< 1343596239 107559 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was hoping that would be "How do I find C libraries that aren't shit?"
< 1343596855 587391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1343596955 512608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think asking people can be a profitable strategy, but even that has the slight problem that *someone* needs to wade through the bad ones.
< 1343597029 936258 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real answer seems to be "don't use libraries, reinvent the wheel"
< 1343597035 458802 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make your own shit library
< 1343597163 290538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes that is the choice, but it also depend, what library are you trying to make? Maybe there is one.
< 1343597309 713321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added an emulator to the MagicKit assembler (which is used for NES/Famicom and PC-Engine), a 6502 code in the .EMU block will be executed after the assembler is finish before it make the output file, so you can use that to affect the output and some other things too.
< 1343597426 875503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is using a slightly modified version of lib6502; it suppresses the error message for illegal instructions.)
< 1343597504 780923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also like to know if there are assemblers for other systems which have similar feature.
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< 1343597902 16516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want to learn 6503
< 1343597923 528955 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that?
< 1343597927 127839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUB 6503, 1
< 1343597942 63081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i don't suppose i can do that
< 1343597951 793195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV AX(?), 6503
< 1343597961 356228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEC AX
< 1343597969 256031 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. 6502
< 1343597979 263956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. some kind of joke
< 1343597993 763336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irony i think
< 1343598004 995059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of computers with 6502 did you want to program?
< 1343598077 35345 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC Micro
< 1343598086 176534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343598096 700805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually thats not true 
< 1343598109 101275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's another attempt at irony.
< 1343598131 889623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not ironic because BBC Micro is probably actually fun.. just found it on wikipedia
< 1343598148 360906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. the computer i have in mind is NES/Famicom
< 1343598165 879094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What assembler did you want to use?
< 1343598222 521561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on my bucket list to: learn japanese, learn 6502 assembly language, finish reading akira manga, finish watching rurouni kenshin anime, ... bleh
< 1343598246 59357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my first goal of 6502 is actually to help with reading the disassembly of super mario bros.
< 1343598277 41369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to learn the system too, not only the 6502. Also, the NES/Famicom does not have decimal mode other than that it is the same 6502 including unofficial instructions.
< 1343598311 576438 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice disassembly, i've peeked at it before
< 1343598330 571371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's one of the few games that i actually care how they did it
< 1343598401 293553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps also i need more patience
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< 1343598847 361414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i will have to get around to it in my own time.. so many things to learn about hardware
< 1343598897 572639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as.. how graphics accelration actually works in a modern pc
< 1343599187 495934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i started to learn about blitters then, gradually i can see that something about my conception of a computer is too simple
< 1343599323 389687 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your conception of a computer?
< 1343599377 531520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever read Akagi and Kaiji manga and anime?
< 1343599558 431234 :nortti_!~androirc@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does "you" include?
< 1343599582 100379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant itidus21 but others too if you want to
< 1343599949 401885 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, just curious, have you ever moved past the "realising how little I know" stage and actually reached "learning more things"?
< 1343599983 396024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point you could probably generalize some of the lessons about how little you know
< 1343600000 855057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preemptively question the assumptions you make about how things work
< 1343600002 410190 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that
< 1343600011 980384 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1343600151 185780 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember a specific conversation we've had with iti where we try to explain something.

< 1343600223 364390 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's too fuzzed together.
< 1343600393 489131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it proper in boxing to stay on the floor until they count to nine the second time you are knocked out in an attempt to avoid being TKO'd?
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< 1343600606 170163 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no.
< 1343600630 98267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there specifically a rule against it?
< 1343600742 654285 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1343600764 915974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do they enforce it?
< 1343600784 371418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you break the rule you're banned from punching people.
< 1343600789 81372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever.
< 1343600800 334689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still box, it's just kind of pointless.
< 1343600819 383874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how to they check if you are legitimately knocked out for that amount of time or not?
< 1343600955 868027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how they could do anything about it other than giving your opponent more points. But maybe I am wrong.
< 1343601002 767377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They whallop you in the side when they reach nine and see if you cry out.
< 1343601154 244461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they do that then you can instead get up just before they reach nine. Anyways if they do that, then if you are legitimately knocked out but would get up anyways then you may remain knocked out longer unfairly. And you could be able to learn self-control to decide by yourself to cry or not as much as you want.
< 1343601654 814167 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know nothing about boxing FWIW, that was all made up.)
< 1343601688 677139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly did not believe "If you break the rule you're banned from punching people."; but that's all.
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< 1343602768 877749 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this thread went bizarre http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/xcjnf/found_a_bull_in_hobby_lobby_obviously_there_was/c5l84sv
< 1343602908 513738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The direct children of that comment are funny. Can’t tell if trolling or just stupid.
< 1343603251 672482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can definitely see someone not realising that it's is not the possessive of it when asked.
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< 1343606207 520380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, what happened?
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< 1343606348 807484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at scrollback

< 1343606963 600838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You happened.
< 1343607076 44452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : who does "you" include? <-- his "you" mustn't be questioned. :D
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< 1343608145 214077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1343608197 105381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some people apparently feast on knowledge in their early 20s... i don't know wheer they get the time or energy for it
< 1343608209 39442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its even during teens
< 1343608265 357498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cos my schooling didn't go so well 
< 1343608404 58313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing things is depressing in a way
< 1343608417 708520 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becoming aware of the ubiquity of experiences
< 1343608711 760996 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the way we humans make a big deal about continents, but were we to drain up the water, all we would find is a giant desert
< 1343609195 254820 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1343609469 410320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that learning is a delicate balancing act to ensure that you're still crazy enough at the end to want to use what you learned
< 1343609622 53360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1343609703 968693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i got lost in a rant
< 1343609718 153484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: DIABEETUS
< 1343609774 35849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabletes
< 1343609875 668421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one important step to success is to avoid learning any national security secrets that would encourage them to keep you under their eye
< 1343609891 186106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1343609893 655298 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quachaf \ quoerjan
< 1343609973 142993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is avoid NDA's where reasonably possible
< 1343610057 877542 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo doesn't do binary files?
< 1343610168 378377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes avoid NDA's
< 1343610208 177623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, if you are smart enough that someone thinks it's worth getting you to sign an NDA especially avoid it then
< 1343610216 5575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1343610218 692510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or the way we humans make a big deal about continents, but were we to drain up the water, all we would find is a giant desert
< 1343610219 867461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1343610255 932626 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're speechless?
< 1343610268 255413 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343610269 952548 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am
< 1343610274 639345 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ujst a thought that popped into my head
< 1343610408 643331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may help if i explain that when i joined here i expected to find basic derivatives. everything else that followed can be traced back to that
< 1343610431 742213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derivatives as in Brainfuck derivatives?
< 1343610452 136710 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1343610731 401220 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get
< 1343610732 232579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out
< 1343610732 555118 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1343610789 558549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"i'll be back.. i must have been mistaken about what i expected to find .. this never happened :-s you'll get over it"
< 1343610805 801499 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, even I've made a BF derivative (ok, so I'm not exactly the best person to use "even I've")
< 1343610823 776074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave
< 1343610833 553639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be a new order
< 1343610834 993410 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 used it in his own language.
< 1343610860 563656 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can get zzo38 to do anything, on account of him being almost Lovecraftianly incomprehensible.
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< 1343610877 475493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i probably expected to find lisp, scheme, squeak, smalltalk, ocaml, bugsys, etc derivatives
< 1343610879 97294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best I can do is just leave him and hope the cultists don't work out how to awaken him from his slumber.
< 1343610898 102702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I've made a BF derivative
< 1343610900 760637 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :">.<"
< 1343610916 644261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK I don't let the cultists work out how to awaken me from my slumber.
< 1343610943 518052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will awake by myself when I want to be awake.
< 1343610954 502238 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And may that day never come.
< 1343610961 78596 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, anyway, out.
< 1343610964 378819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you too.
< 1343610970 552968 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS NEXT
< 1343610996 319269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Perhaps you are next.
< 1343611019 641081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1343611431 732963 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I make good language
< 1343611433 686700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for great good
< 1343611444 165879 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am worthy to be called #esoteric
< 1343611449 892806 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343611455 652110 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like you
< 1343611474 665715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. great response.
< 1343611482 998526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "I disagree because ..."
< 1343611484 133228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1343611487 22143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't like you"
< 1343611527 6159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHAN'T DISCREDIT MY WORK.
< 1343611569 332850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each person can have a total of up to 52 pulp organs, 32 in the permanent and 20 in the primary teeth. The total volumes of all the permanent teeth organs is 0.38cc and the mean volume of a single adult human pulp is 0.02cc.
< 1343611584 788703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm dental pulp
< 1343611618 943550 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does the UK flouridate its drinking water?
< 1343611629 105522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do so in the US, and it's a big controversy
< 1343611632 974020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are stupid.
< 1343611645 891777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some places, I think.
< 1343611761 526935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reducing dental care costs for poor families with many young children at very little cost is evil.
< 1343611826 439962 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: See, it's mind-damaging poison.
< 1343612026 691483 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You both know it's not that simple.
< 1343612072 875629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is..
< 1343612092 126621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It isn't.
< 1343612149 906111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know full well nobody's seriously arguing that it's bad because it improves dental health, and to dismiss all safety concerns as fears of it being 'mind-damaging poison' is not just dumb, it's patronising as hell.
< 1343612207 20006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Phantom_Hoover is correct.
< 1343612236 32522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that's what they were arguing. I was saying that's the actual results of flouridation.
< 1343612245 356345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Although water fluoridation can cause dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of developing teeth, most of this is mild and usually not considered to be of aesthetic or public-health concern.[10] There is no clear evidence of other adverse effects.[11] Moderate-quality studies have investigated effectiveness; studies on adverse effects have been mostly of low quality.[11]"
< 1343612251 478545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case for fluoride seems pretty well cut out to me
< 1343612259 39294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all anti-flouridation I have seen has been of the conspiratorial sort
< 1343612287 136832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that kallisti and pikhq's statements were dumb.
< 1343612298 721957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any circlejerking is dumb
< 1343612317 103210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1343612320 62027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just jerking alone
< 1343612323 946515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pikhq showed up
< 1343612326 224835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.

< 1343612337 757633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more the merrier.
< 1343612351 354232 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen serious discussion as to fluoride's safety, and although it concluded it's safe the alternative was seriously considered.
< 1343612431 633575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that it puts too much trust in the government to ensure public safety. However, that argument extends to almost any large-scale public works project.
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< 1343613456 296507 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: alternatively you could cover all the continents with water
< 1343613461 450608 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd just have a big ocean
< 1343613477 189812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so important now, silly humans.
< 1343613549 155548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha silly humans
< 1343613646 527545 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime in the distant future all of the continents will eventually merge together again
< 1343613656 111707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then break apart again
< 1343613661 671007 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude
< 1343613666 845280 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, man,
< 1343613669 22890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're, like, a blink in the eye of the universe
< 1343613712 74251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to imagine that society dissolves 
< 1343613717 349022 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're still alive as a species
< 1343613724 603725 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dinosaurs happen again
< 1343613747 549371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be willing to bet money that a sci-fi book about this very subject already exists.
< 1343613787 170945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should always account for the fact that the person taking your bets might not care if you win
< 1343613840 448282 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION roams the Neopangean landscape atop the sturdy spine of his feathered Neovelociraptor companion.

< 1343613857 30921 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah everything is the same but with a Neo- prefix.
< 1343613866 457485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with it.
< 1343613948 662107 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, except Velocirators weren't present during Pangea
< 1343613985 332067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnachronismStew
< 1343614149 923832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Wikiquote is terrible.
< 1343614160 787834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as terrible as tvtropes
< 1343614186 25097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least TV Tropes isn't formal.
< 1343614219 452974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomewhereAPalaeontologistIsCrying
< 1343614279 246050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon you'll realise that the idiots renamed all the "You Fail X Forever" into "Artistic Licence - X" to go easy on the poor little artists.
< 1343614286 268801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a pleasant realisation.
< 1343614301 693200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaa
< 1343614325 1989 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty simple, really. Some people seem to have gotten into their head that tvtropes should be 'serious'.
< 1343614336 576113 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, uh, a bunch of people snarking at media extensively.
< 1343614348 790188 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's all I /want/ from it. :(
< 1343614481 750399 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they purged like all the sex-related tropes because apparently sex is something only perverts care about.
< 1343614505 66877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you are a pervert for knowing about those articles
< 1343614509 556126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful
< 1343614559 734879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343614601 445340 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK well to some extent it was Google adsense forcing their hands, but IIRC they made it far more puritan than it had to be.)
< 1343614615 509491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term 'paedoshit' featured prominently.
< 1343614958 76307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
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< 1343618185 144871 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :String comparing on RSS from Twitter does not work
< 1343618194 350214 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it will sometimes mix up the order of attributes
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< 1343622297 669108 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pooryorick a regular here?
< 1343622484 367390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone I ask told me that there is no rule in boxing that says you have to get up as soon as you are able to.
< 1343622507 658074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't know!!
< 1343623035 547875 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there any rule in Indy racing that you have to press the accelerator
< 1343623039 464107 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are important questions
< 1343623127 371328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone drive behind you in Indy?
< 1343623260 175733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know
< 1343624325 390681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: who do you ask? _who_?
< 1343624473 935423 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::?
< 1343624475 894183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you still playing that text boxing sim? :D
< 1343624484 103170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: about indy 
< 1343624609 551633 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a professional chess tournament is it ok to wear a small lcd screen with flashing lights on your head?
< 1343624782 492417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1343624813 458893 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I've read stories about youth chess tournaments where opponents would tap their finger lightly 
< 1343624822 523861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a way to distract their opponent in a criticial move.
< 1343624845 850419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very subtle thing that you could barely notice consciously.
< 1343624878 274524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it illegal to sit in your indy car while you play chess?
< 1343624892 111329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside the tournament building that is
< 1343624900 424070 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343624913 590416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im going a bit far
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< 1343629503 538722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes I have still played that text boxing sim as well as other BBS door games today
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< 1343640239 737173 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the formal name for Python's sucky coroutines?
< 1343640308 9996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generators?
< 1343640343 803600 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that encompass the lack of a function being able to ... nest... generators to become a generator
< 1343640352 58229 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I have no idea how to describe what I want to say
< 1343640383 280133 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders what metaprogramming is like in Lua compared to Tcl

< 1343640408 867468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1343640456 884300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python3 has "yield from" which is maybe what you're talking about?
< 1343640481 434359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need to mark places that use generators explicitly.
< 1343640522 688785 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh, wow. That's good. Still can be annoying I guess, but at least it's livable
< 1343640543 100558 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ... no. Can't really pass that into something as a callback, can you?
< 1343640560 669367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean.
< 1343640612 377795 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a function that takes a callback, using generators to do a continuation-like thing and essentially telling the thing asking for the callback to resume the generator
< 1343640638 983657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So doing coöperative threading of sorts?
< 1343640682 800046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would presumably have some kind of scheduler and add the suspended "thread" to the queue when you got the callback.
< 1343640685 800955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1343640733 408037 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in a C# 3.5 project having to write a scheduler
< 1343640768 250980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scheduler" is perhaps an overstatement here.
< 1343640774 700322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean a queue.
< 1343640848 309034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :while True: queue.pop().next() # or something
< 1343643706 614811 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubisoft games on your computer? Any webpage can run any executable on your computer through their DRM crap. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4311264
< 1343643910 788211 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just helped someone in #tcl
< 1343643923 458882 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I go so quickly from newbie to someone capable of providing help?
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< 1343644918 25418 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-220-151.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight shubshub
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< 1343645036 433803 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suddenly struck by how popular purl.org is
< 1343645043 699926 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: the explanation which is most damaging to your ego is the most likely one to be true
< 1343645097 999286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just made that up.

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< 1343646223 183830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, got five "on vacation" autoreplies to an email sent to the department staff@ address. It's the season.
< 1343646671 357700 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, just wrote code relying on a thing called xsxp under the impression that it was an XML parser. It is not.
< 1343646706 432108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the old adage says, "everything that's got an X in it is not an XML parser".
< 1343646754 404086 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, something that calls itself an XML parser should probably be an XML parser.
< 1343646756 92763 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eXtremely Simple Xml Parser
< 1343646756 254174 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1343646788 9013 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a pretty interface to some other parser
< 1343646954 584270 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.org isn’t an XML parser?
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< 1343649344 406419 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've feeling that this language isn't esoteric enough: http://paste.uk.to/6d77917c
< 1343649356 878871 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but at least it has REPL)
< 1343649481 372277 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg Vorpal pictures of my t20: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0073.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0074.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0075.jpg
< 1343649481 391363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1343649491 224 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal pictures of my t20: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0073.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0074.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0075.jpg
< 1343649491 18991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343649540 749784 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samsung SyncMaster710? I once had such... :P
< 1343649815 502983 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think I went too far with implementing unit testing in my language :P
< 1343649818 116421 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.uk.to/4d462f6b
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< 1343652224 60890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I had a SyncMaster brand CRT once.
< 1343652276 807153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was notable for having that 5*BNC style input too, and those also supported combined H/V sync (and sync on green) so I could use a 13w3/4*BNC adapter cable with it.
< 1343652318 893273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "notable" is a bit too fancy a word.
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< 1343655670 216309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/It was notable for having/It had/
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< 1343656442 348184 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GlitchMr: I got that syncmaster for free few years ago
< 1343656450 720325 :GlitchMr!~glitchmr@37-128-122-146.ip.netia.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1343656514 980748 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer is literaly dug from dumpster
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< 1343658610 835091 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to hate the Tcl ecosystem
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< 1343660799 643899 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: why?
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< 1343660844 748164 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I was forced to use an obsolete tDOm because I couldn't get TclXml working with tclkit and I couldn't find a newish tdom.kit
< 1343660857 836262 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1343678175 643616 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about the state of Plan 9? Is is completely unusable, usable by my standard or really usable?
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< 1343678402 434418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1343678607 510085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antwerp railway station: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/20120721_003.jpg
< 1343678648 81422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1343678710 23061 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343678743 631930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also still like that about seven hours laters when we were leaving.
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< 1343681605 106881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1343683209 196218 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343683209 254651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1343683211 628729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1343683214 610435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( :( :(
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< 1343683452 321121 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hello
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< 1343684880 255963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: seen kmc
< 1343684884 380162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1343684983 286789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb hi
< 1343684983 342775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343685060 755807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdabot tells you when you got messages :)
< 1343685073 912403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman Right?
< 1343685073 933020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1343685092 917078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't talk with myself!
< 1343685111 350908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1343685111 370238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1343685117 515838 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1343685117 535033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2m 14s ago: hi
< 1343685128 762007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@pl messages
< 1343685134 129575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, if you talk when it's in the channel, yes.
< 1343685383 293462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
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< 1343685534 645064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot notifying you of new messages.
< 1343685651 8480 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell elliott @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo
< 1343685651 66836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted.
< 1343685657 94723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1343685657 113911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
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< 1343689665 908915 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :Vive le plarimasthugl! | }B? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1343694160 186768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's jumping ship, I see.
< 1343694184 563205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1343694184 582198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1343694203 355601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they might also just be sleeping.
< 1343694222 62076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy your messages were beautiful.
< 1343694222 81475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343694228 391192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy I will watch your brogue game
< 1343694228 410022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343694649 665621 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :
< 1343695130 700461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1343695133 295127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343695196 187148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell ion @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo
< 1343695196 206267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted.
< 1343695505 485072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343695510 886370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy nice D:1 plate armour, you cheater
< 1343695510 905459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343695555 229387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see that great SO question?
< 1343695797 750705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1343695833 593206 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it great
< 1343696027 355621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy close call with the purple gas and the shattering on D:7
< 1343696027 374997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343696077 853642 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game?
< 1343696117 465045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: brogue
< 1343696121 871371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's excellent, you should play it
< 1343696173 234680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy either the recording viewer handles it badly (slowly) or you actually rest manually instead of using Z
< 1343696173 290628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1343696234 273670 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1343696245 31045 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Really wish there were brogue servers
< 1343696273 334664 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343696312 162791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm idly working on a streaming patch. recording files work pretty well, though.
< 1343696321 621079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them are posted on the forums
< 1343696474 7049 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, at the streaming patch
< 1343697158 199361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy goes out of sync on turn 8728 : (
< 1343697158 218489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1343699022 328578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this MagicKit improvements  http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9137  but you can tell me please if you think should have other improvements too, which one do you want?
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< 1343702319 576635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> co "coward"
< 1343702322 949483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "ward"
< 1343702577 930544 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co?
< 1343702743 322797 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source co
< 1343702743 378600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :co not available
< 1343702984 644437 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src co
< 1343702984 702799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
< 1343703220 566125 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \coy -> co y == case coy of 'c':'o':y -> y; y -> 'c':'o':y
< 1343703221 480350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `co'
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< 1343707160 443477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy
< 1343707256 322775 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343707256 382568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1343725943 204191 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
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< 1343728508 886021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1343728531 314214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1343728665 912557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now I can't randomly move conversations over to the other channel!
< 1343728693 580345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure what happened but I hope you stick around somewhere or other.
< 1343728839 51539 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCED.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343728883 399298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1343728890 171851 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened should be pretty clear if you read the logs
< 1343728974 904469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious
< 1343728999 150969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the logs and couldn't figure it out.
< 1343729053 772336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joshua_ was a douche to me in a way that i can't really tolerate
< 1343729070 562972 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i explained why i was upset, and gave him an opportunity to say something in response, which he declined to do
< 1343729073 566650 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i left
< 1343729092 30177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's people-being-rude-on-the-Internet detector may be broken.

< 1343729097 529472 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1343729124 181837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "exciting #suction happenings"
< 1343729736 437558 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343732306 889853 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Buttermilk "plays" with her "friends" http://youtu.be/5IuRzJRrRpQ
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< 1343734350 627686 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Brogue has an ID system o.O
< 1343734371 617935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Sgeo__ playing brogue
< 1343734386 279900 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I might start
< 1343734390 409743 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently just reading wiki
< 1343734398 809138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the wiki contains wrong information
< 1343734421 963475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you going to teach sgeo how to be good at brogue
< 1343734515 400392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, Brogue has an ID system o.O
< 1343734516 696072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :astonishing
< 1343734519 519834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a roguelike with an id system
< 1343734533 834918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: just play it, it spoils you on 90% of everything if you look at descriptions
< 1343734544 23859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including hit rolls etc.
< 1343734553 113122 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was under the impression that id systems were generally disliked in here, or by someone in here, or is that specific to Crawl and NetHack IDing?
< 1343734568 742780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like most id systems and crawl's is especially bad
< 1343734573 670718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue's is not objectionable
< 1343734697 57889 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting to read about a game without playing it.
< 1343734825 783394 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343734837 861930 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://brogue.wikia.com/wiki/Staff_of_Blinking
< 1343734849 178960 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description in-game does not appear to be enough to aide with proper use
< 1343734906 287150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1343734909 936275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it is impossible to write a complete strategy guide for use of items and terrain in brogue because the whole game is figuring out how to exploit those things within the context of a randomly generated terrain; it is 100% a game about dealing with what you get and exploiting your surroundings to your advantage
< 1343734930 92288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the only guide that can possibly be helpful for 90% of things is trial and error, building the skill of learning to recognise uses
< 1343734950 591001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things that are relatively constant (for instance, how to play the id game) but those are easily figured out in a game or two if not explained
< 1343734954 878989 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-202.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343734980 755120 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, by proper use, I mean details of how the item functions such as "It uses all the charges to put you $num_of_charges spaces in that direction"
< 1343735008 59161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1343735013 769710 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you read what I linked?
< 1343735030 842541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1343735044 313433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the in-game description is perfectly consistent, only a misreading would suggest the erroneous interpretation that the wiki tries to suggest;
< 1343735049 253442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally, the in-game targetting makes it completely clear
< 1343735051 388185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it displays the beam
< 1343735060 219571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hence you would see it is impossible to use it to teleport
< 1343735074 435680 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok
< 1343735153 166082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc at least the guide thing on the wiki is terrible
< 1343735166 707557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont read the wiki so
< 1343735267 855915 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like watching Let's Plays
< 1343735272 660758 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if there's a Let's Play
< 1343735287 417311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: just watch one of the recordings on the forum or something
< 1343735306 249975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mikeym or Creaphis or i-forget-who-else if you want to see a good player
< 1343735344 448657 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, anything wrong with watching one on YouTube?
< 1343735353 861811 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually get narration that way.
< 1343735366 992211 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess even though I tend to prefer blind LPs, there's no point with Brogue?
< 1343735377 214722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you use your imagination if you have narration
< 1343735381 269296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you use your imagination if you're not playing yourself
< 1343735383 871731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you use your imagination, sgeo
< 1343735416 648305 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an LP if there's no commentary, really.
< 1343735445 398832 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the one I'm watching is largely blind
< 1343735494 547694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you watch a blind lp of brogue, don't want any informative information or spoiling on how to play well?
< 1343735529 580932 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like blind LPs, it's fun to watch someone struggle to learn how to play a game
< 1343735552 813140 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to look for text if I want to learn how to play a game well
< 1343735590 596164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sgeo doesn't like doing things, he just likes consuming media about doing things
< 1343735605 673619 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What elliott said.
< 1343735623 526847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sad that you agree
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< 1343736005 369758 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person has Homestuck music playing in the background
< 1343736085 993072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
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< 1343736707 280961 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't reading Boatmurdered the same?
< 1343736755 775072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the same as what
< 1343736768 656413 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consuming media about doing things.
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< 1343737966 16157 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how are people supposed to know about altars?
< 1343737987 328875 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, ok, maybe not "altars"
< 1343738003 662691 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, carpeted rooms with the items and when you take one item cages fall around the rest
< 1343738108 740337 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Either Incendiary darts or a potion of incineration are always generated on the level." about "Flammible Barricade in the Doorway"
< 1343738118 852118 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that explained in the game somehow, or is that a genuine spoiler?
< 1343738439 675095 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I think the person I'm watching is an idiot: Attacking a thing that's described as containing poisoned gas?
< 1343738460 56117 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: )
< 1343738547 713740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: maybe you should play the game rather than asking people to do your research on the game for you
< 1343739066 80855 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343739178 227550 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads 1.6.4

< 1343739183 174704 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had 1.6.2 on here before)
< 1343739471 874846 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me how to change the size once but I forgot
< 1343739644 189903 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PageDown
< 1343739895 739801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It, uh, apparently comes with a bot
< 1343739971 423663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1343739989 284002 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343740006 372265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly any form of automation of anything is a "bot"
< 1343740010 278507 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you agree, itidus21
< 1343740035 215193 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to automate playing the game...
< 1343740042 547009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1343740043 37584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the greater good i will quietly agree
< 1343740048 121547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1343740070 516363 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Autopilot
< 1343740079 146361 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you try it out
< 1343740084 831545 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to explore and fight mosters and descend levels
< 1343740095 558424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite happy though, i got minecraft today
< 1343740128 285740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite sad though, i crashed minecraft today... but i changed some things so hopefully it will be better
< 1343740136 868143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it is useful for the first few levels, at least it was when they didn't have vaults
< 1343740170 873318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoexplore is still useful for the first N floors
< 1343740189 912361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343740205 45571 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to die to sentinals a lot
< 1343740214 897989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised it gets to sentinels
< 1343740220 762665 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe chess games should be played that way.. only stopping for the humans when they're not sure what to do
< 1343740265 637804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that that guy already suggested something like computer assistance during chess
< 1343740277 942379 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This iteration got stuck due to .. hm
< 1343740287 380079 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no path for further exploration
< 1343740322 672170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do secret doors
< 1343740323 643241 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got jammed due to caustic gas
< 1343740332 522536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to use autoplay as your let's play
< 1343740392 17683 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Died to pink jellies
< 1343740401 753226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently yes
< 1343740887 975058 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343741061 646373 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no, everyone should just play continuous chess
< 1343741226 358105 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for the greater good i will quietly agree
< 1343741329 558073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of jellies though, i would like to know what a jelly or slime is supposed to be. is it like the thing in the blob? is it a land-jellyfish? is it fungus?
< 1343741350 833785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just putting that out there
< 1343741386 471246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, must be about time for a what-if
< 1343741398 580896 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343741401 591493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1343741435 338399 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343741435 357519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343741436 854124 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1343741436 988581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343741581 790402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the best way to introduce something is to not influence the audiences expectations at all
< 1343741721 221588 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343741721 278426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343741773 809794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, this is a cardboard box 1ft x 1ft x 1ft. it may contain cookies, or books, or chicken bones, or old records, or fossilized tree samples, or diet coke, but really so long as it's safe, i'm only dampening the experience by talking about it at all
< 1343741856 224088 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk
< 1343741908 255951 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you open the box?
< 1343742018 954723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's infact a collection of bertrand russell's academic elbow patches
< 1343742037 344960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than i ever could have dreamed of or hoped for
< 1343742194 67116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discalimer: i don't actually believe he necessarily had any, nor that they mean anything, nor that i have a clue what he did
< 1343742281 774556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :included is an undiscovered notebook of mozart explaining his toilet humour
< 1343742627 527874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive always wondered what was up with that
< 1343742672 772882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help feeling a bit wrong by making references to things i have no association with
< 1343742674 66389 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-202.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343745291 664526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i like your chess idea
< 1343745301 605797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer and human playing in teams
< 1343745309 333387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have seen this talked about, mostly where the human has the final say
< 1343745324 773301 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could also do it where the computers play except when uncertain
< 1343745399 924127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop signs seem to be entirely optional in montenegro
< 1343745410 237565 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saw 6 cars in a row go through one without even slowing down
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< 1343752428 386362 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1343753017 926327 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1343753379 779814 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell is selling DRM-protected games on Linux any less ethical than on any other operating system?
< 1343753409 676023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1343753436 248164 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCED.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343753459 832861 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, the thing I'm complaining about isn't a thing
< 1343753459 833087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good
< 1343753485 374434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear
< 1343753590 841995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically it's probably more ethical to sell DRM-protected games on Linux than any other OS
< 1343753633 917872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or equally
< 1343753645 722044 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg FreeBSD, Hurd
< 1343753658 930533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343753751 854967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think using DRM is ethical, but makes your product significantly less valuable
< 1343753758 681957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think publishing tools to break DRM is ethical
< 1343753780 454183 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have a stance on the ethics of DRM
< 1343753785 82990 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the USA there is a legal asymmetry here
< 1343753787 981994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which needs to go away
< 1343753799 950575 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM that negatively affects other parts of your system is unethical
< 1343753806 601116 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think we've moved on to other things to nerd-rage at
< 1343753810 346721 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343753810 498091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM that installs without permission is unethical
< 1343753814 432011 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invasive rootkit DRM is not ok
< 1343753843 69167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1343753864 935680 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is there DRM that doesn't negatively affect your system?
< 1343753867 641363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question i guess is whether linux would become corrupted by DRM
< 1343753886 196985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, parts of your system that are used when not playing the game? I dunno, probably not
< 1343753908 490788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just games, other stuff too, but I think games is the context where DRM comes up the most
< 1343753965 820918 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how does one prevent oneself being a pirate when one compiles ones own OS
< 1343753975 419870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343753978 64537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1343753982 598930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should one
< 1343753997 779336 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, if it's your own OS, it's not piracy
< 1343754010 99047 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going on your own boat isn't being a pirate
< 1343754017 464092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is taking your money off it
< 1343754041 459218 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite possible to violate copyright on GPL software
< 1343754053 218943 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not so easy to do this with "personal use" only
< 1343754089 676088 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway copyright law is just as essential to free software as it is to proprietary commercial software
< 1343754093 689698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im starting to go back on my last statement
< 1343754095 355972 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the GPL school of free software
< 1343754107 793137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: doesn't that happen every time you make a statement?
< 1343754115 721821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of GPL
< 1343754117 27348 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could save us all some time by going back pre-emptively
< 1343754124 792849 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. for WTFPL/CC0/PD school it wouldn't matter
< 1343754149 737073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for BSD/MIT it would not matter much, but perhaps people still want attribution
< 1343754158 101809 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1343754162 316611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: only because i make my statements around phds, haskell coders and mathematicians
< 1343754163 772187 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT and CC0 are the two I use the most
< 1343754171 898127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i'm ignoring the fairly separate issue of warranty / liability
< 1343754175 450492 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: no
< 1343754187 733889 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use WTFPL or the license original software used
< 1343754189 193832 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say things which any reasonable person would judge to be nonsense
< 1343754202 946954 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I find a bit of itidusrant on occasion quite therapeutic
< 1343754218 515901 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(if I'm developing software project someone else started)
< 1343754218 831245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm happy itidus21 is here
< 1343754221 653912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you have to know GPL exists before you can know i am talking nonsense about it
< 1343754224 4010 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong :)
< 1343754275 181222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were no copyright law, then corporations could use currently-GPL software in proprietary products, but their employees could also legally publish that proprietary source code
< 1343754288 9223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however they'd still be fired for doing so, and maybe sued for breach of contract
< 1343754288 525379 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.... yes it does happen every time
< 1343754310 413768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, are you a fan of your local Pirate Party?
< 1343754317 808635 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no strong opinion
< 1343754339 788580 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think currently the GPL benefits large companies over small ones
< 1343754345 21538 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last election, they were the only party who I read their manifesto and agreed with everything.
< 1343754361 906438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't saying much, as the only other manifesto I read was the BNP's
< 1343754362 704752 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :large companies can develop everything in-house and make money with software they never publish in any form
< 1343754367 425428 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: where do you live?
< 1343754391 571172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every bit I say goes through a box that's busy violating copyright on GPL software by using it in a way not allowed by the license.
< 1343754393 887408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case they can use GPL software however they like (though many are still deathly afraid of it)
< 1343754459 335127 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, UK
< 1343754466 528729 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343754470 829220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BNP is the extreme right-wing pary
< 1343754474 566845 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1343754490 630699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BNP is the Basic Nultilingual Plane.
< 1343754501 780772 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am member of piraattinuoret which is yout organization of pirate party of finland
< 1343754503 293404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the Bacchus Naur Party
< 1343754520 699113 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Baccus
< 1343754533 763988 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :black panther party with NP oracle
< 1343754535 730660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backus.
< 1343754550 86325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343754550 423049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343754555 608835 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i have heard that BNP is actually in favor of liberal social policies like increased funding for education
< 1343754559 824668 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in between all the racism
< 1343754570 277821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, increased funding for educating white british people
< 1343754589 264215 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that ping is not good
< 1343754592 350271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my british friend speculates that this is because people in the BNP don't agree on anything other than the racism, and whoever happened to draft their platform decided this bit sounds good
< 1343754593 452632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacchus-Naur Form is what you get when you try to do a BNF grammar but you're really really drunk.
< 1343754598 988616 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1343754628 727459 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, WITHIN THE SAME TOWN AS ELLIOTT!
< 1343754647 802008 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are hexam
< 1343754653 282254 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*live in
< 1343754656 242216 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all the hexham
< 1343754675 804385 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott lives in Taneb?
< 1343754704 484052 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1343754715 840444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do just less than 12000 other people
< 1343754719 490793 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that kinda strange
< 1343754724 544787 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit
< 1343754793 95665 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only strange to me because i had never heard of hexham before
< 1343754820 156887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently hexham is the #2 location for esoteric programming
< 1343754825 511110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still sounds like cursed pork to me.
< 1343754854 808903 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, by density, #1 if you only count places with >1 person
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< 1343754899 103667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a slang verb "hexhamming", and if so, what does it mean? 
< 1343754907 493982 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1343754916 85008 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is the #1 locatin?
< 1343754917 780363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shame. "I'm really hexhamming it up tonight" sounds very dynamic.
< 1343754919 454133 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what
< 1343754928 881448 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland
< 1343754949 587576 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a whole country
< 1343754957 201966 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically Helsinki, iirc
< 1343754962 321503 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343754966 634707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble of it is that most artificial constraints in real life are created by police.. eg. your car can go over the speed limit... a person can leave a store without paying for something
< 1343754972 365039 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, make that a thing
< 1343754984 992270 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A THING IN A PLACE WHERE BARELY ANYONE HAS HEARD OF HEXHAM
< 1343754987 918688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... if you have police regularly patrolling your pc.. then you lose your privacy
< 1343755011 982394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there were some legal doctrine regarding limits of what police can do on private property
< 1343755033 819050 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't have police regularly patrolling your pc, then you would never get caught doing something outside of the artificial constraints
< 1343755060 18455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki (or the "Greater Helsinki" region, more appropriately) is probably esoteric-important only by virtue of having something like 25% of all Finns in it.
< 1343755073 865497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like oklopol come from different cities.
< 1343755077 826593 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Hexham has been used as a euphemism for Hell and the middle of nowhere in parts of southern Scotland
< 1343755081 844779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my naive understanding is  that the pc sort of polices itself, some of the time
< 1343755096 788981 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many here live in Helsinki?
< 1343755103 620723 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 4, I think?
< 1343755137 884515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on whether you're counting the neighbour towns, like is sometimes done.
< 1343755144 881581 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does that make Helsinki the esolang capital of the world-?
< 1343755147 435796 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :--
< 1343755161 289585 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343755163 240971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm technically from Espoo, for example.
< 1343755221 224569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm technically from Newcastle, my birth certificate says Yorkshire, and I've lived in Melbourne
< 1343755232 82833 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I live in Hexham
< 1343755276 999051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose I'm "from" Helsinki in the born-in sense. But currently-living-in Espoo.
< 1343755287 188454 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling elliott lives just outside, but this is only based on the one sighting I have heard of of elliott, which occurred at the latest in 2004
< 1343755291 427994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Deewiant lives in Helsinki proper.
< 1343755301 744538 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, just outside Hexham, not just outside me
< 1343755303 25470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And atehwa probably somewhere around here too.
< 1343755309 490114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's nickping time.)
< 1343755322 100306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and ineiros nowadays.
< 1343755325 32436 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is a nick
< 1343755338 967242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could say fungot lives here too.
< 1343755339 644646 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does one "ping" one
< 1343755340 190679 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after this proceeding, i say, god bless the land, or the lives of your officers. you must ride at the fnord.
< 1343755349 169415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean "nitpicking"
< 1343755366 585809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicks are the names before the comments, and you "ping" one by mentioning it in the text.
< 1343755384 529725 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that makes sense
< 1343755399 712084 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you are nitpicking
< 1343755420 446992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a nick is a set of symbols, used to identify a chatter which can be embedded within a post
< 1343755468 390052 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've just broken my headphones
< 1343755492 779013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343755492 930692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no great need for nicks to be in roman characters except that they're easier to type
< 1343755493 377754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343755513 81791 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the Youtube video just started buffering as I turned the volume right up
< 1343755537 962148 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343755543 481525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel could consist of entirely brainfuck nicks
< 1343755558 559560 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343755563 839396 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Cyrillic
< 1343755566 369915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it would be difficult in many ways, and possibly not allowed as nics
< 1343755619 714910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* >[-]+ :Erroneous Nickname
< 1343755655 184420 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343755655 545760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343755727 746483 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that []{}\|-_ are legal but otherwise it must be alphanumeric
< 1343755752 517585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net NICK :[-]
< 1343755758 380311 :[-]!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1343755767 867655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ` and ^ too.
< 1343755773 352631 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] is registered
< 1343755804 875160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickname = ( letter / special )*8 ( letter / digit / special / "-" )   special = %x5B-60 / %x7B-7D ; [ ] \ ` _ ^ { | }
< 1343755815 818007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the RFC; there might be network-specific rules, of course.)
< 1343755821 275213 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^
< 1343755824 669330 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343755865 898092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, register it
< 1343755874 526135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of t he symbols are considered upper case versions of others
< 1343755883 942260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not everywhere any more.
< 1343755895 286136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode has ASCII-specified uppercasings, for example, IIRC.
< 1343755900 496464 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the irc protocol forbids bytes above 0x7E in nicks
< 1343755915 469310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of the numerics at connection time specifies case mapping.)
< 1343755916 907822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you could not use UTF-8 for non-ascii nicks
< 1343755923 193930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously we should switch to UTF-7
< 1343755930 14762 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343755936 62432 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. base64
< 1343755939 131517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick +Ji0
< 1343755945 738739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :struct{int_a[5]_
< 1343755951 48437 :struct{int_a[5]_!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no
< 1343755952 240755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}|^ would be the lowercase of []\~, and still are in e.g. IRCnet, I think.
< 1343755959 381166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-7 is shorter and still coincides with ASCII in some places
< 1343755988 581345 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1343755990 831548 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1343756000 234792 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is not allowed
< 1343756036 37263 :struct{int_a[5]_!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :tidus21
< 1343756049 212931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "CASEMAPPING=rfc1459" in Freenode still. I was a mistaken.
< 1343756056 674258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they've reverted their stance or something.
< 1343756066 610321 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered this nick by the way
< 1343756084 353001 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1343756092 749679 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit
< 1343756092 932181 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti
< 1343756109 929521 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä/nick []{}\|-_`^
< 1343756113 612052 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^
< 1343756156 168138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, current Freenode does the {}|^ <=> []\~ casemap. Well. Good.
< 1343756215 728602 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343756255 404138 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't ` lowercase ^?
< 1343756306 395129 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343756313 737544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno? [\]^ are 0x5b .. 0x5e, {|}~ are 0x7b .. 0x7e.
< 1343756320 709713 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1343756346 228350 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1343756388 226062 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chaos is too great for this chatroom
< 1343756434 401431 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343756442 240703 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb innocently said "What the hell is a nick?"
< 1343756445 772176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about ^/~, incidentally; it's not part of the same 7-bit Finnish encoding that I believe gave us the equivalency of [\] and {|}.
< 1343756449 316746 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Taneb
< 1343756450 456854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '[\]^{|}~' | iconv -f ISO646-FI -t utf-8
< 1343756450 608209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÄÖÅ^äöå‾
< 1343756572 670871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away
< 1343756607 50342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course quite often d = ä, v = ö since so few things are 8-bit clean. (Okay, maybe not so often these days.)
< 1343756813 822080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks
< 1343757012 714602 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCED.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343757335 712783 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343757569 215992 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1343758071 322200 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343758256 112817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's funny how, as a video game, the music video for Californication looks incredibly dated
< 1343758651 497761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343758655 957289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I live inside Hexham.
< 1343758692 236745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never said you didn't. I merely said I had very weak evidence suggesting you didn't.
< 1343758702 269206 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am glad to have that confirmation
< 1343758703 390008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm suing.
< 1343758713 938884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343758881 601694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did he join the channel JUST to say that?
< 1343758957 196553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343758960 216784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Good night.
< 1343758960 770210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1343758992 34440 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How enigmatic
< 1343759017 382509 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's barely enigmatic at all
< 1343759050 532291 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1343759210 469140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1343761830 12114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343762048 926506 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's advised to have a functional internet connection" "But my browser's written primarily in C!"
< 1343762291 228039 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343762297 907791 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1343762371 705797 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#shell poweroff
< 1343762380 440923 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343762412 773805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343762508 387912 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very funny joke
< 1343762543 8251 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflecting the double meaning of Functional in the context of computing
< 1343762653 552886 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343762654 5693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343763508 905421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343763562 571977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd swat []{}\|-_`^ for that name, but i fear the swatter might get stuck.
< 1343763803 196700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do it!
< 1343763826 62002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always the enabler, shachaf 
< 1343763851 279971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, tradition requires that i ignore your request.
< 1343763862 214355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just want to see the swatter get stuck.
< 1343763874 780096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps the entire nick will get stuck to the bottom of the swatter!
< 1343763881 434527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll have to do two-level swats forevermore.
< 1343763918 736893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1343763935 860377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't had a good swattage in here for years.
< 1343764022 978959 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember when FireFly died due to swatting
< 1343764033 868369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives shachaf a roundhouse swat -----###

< 1343764038 248093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one time
< 1343764229 817254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I say "poëtry"?
< 1343764518 22786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvioüsly.
< 1343764631 796170 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny
< 1343764656 511849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that was a bad joke today, http://www.yafgc.net/
< 1343764675 573307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: the rest of the comic is not always sfw)
< 1343764700 640587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seeks for a missing i lying about

< 1343764741 10233 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1343764876 574891 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :TwoFixt
< 1343765004 153671 :TwoFixt!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1343765258 165656 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1343765321 223259 :atrapado!~za@95.169.242.180 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343765527 777725 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343765631 324437 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1343765654 694837 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.12 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343766217 258736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, how would you pronounce []{}\|-_`^ if you happened to be talking to []{}\|-_`^ in some voice-oriented medium? 
< 1343766555 769893 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :left square bracket, right square bracket, left seagull, right seagull, backslash, pipe, sheffer stroke, dash, underscore, grave accent, caret
< 1343766563 430748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were supposed to be finnish replacement characters, no?  so however those are pronounced.
< 1343766569 13681 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was intending to delete the word pipe
< 1343766645 559500 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343766920 679805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not all of them are.
< 1343766962 167515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's ÄÅäåÖö-_`^ if you interpret it that way.
< 1343766972 430748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a household name, surely
< 1343767010 38793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the -_`^ part could be some sort of a suffix, since there's of course so many ÄÅäåÖös around, not everyone can be "the ÄÅäåÖö".
< 1343767042 249237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true dat
< 1343767126 929616 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1343767127 361232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1343767152 504870 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably means it's time for bed...
< 1343767157 198103 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Minecraft
< 1343767164 128065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing.
< 1343767223 242171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose an INTERCAL user would pronounce []{}\|-_`^ as U-turn-U-turn-back-embrace-bracelet-backslat-spike-worm-flat-worm-backspark-shark.
< 1343767378 390347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not an ampersand in sight.
< 1343767625 578993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a normal person would pronounce it "fuck it, I can't pronounce that".
< 1343767967 664225 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a normal person doing on IRC?
< 1343767979 89096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define normal?
< 1343767985 207121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a normal person?
< 1343768002 884782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person with a gaussian distribution, of course
< 1343768035 470925 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION degausses your distribution

< 1343768096 765221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily I don't know what that is.
< 1343768115 903177 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343768132 492105 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get out."
< 1343768362 636398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wasn't "~" the worm, or am I getting my INTERCAL confused again?
< 1343768564 227598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't understand the WP article for gaussian distribution so...
< 1343768575 509933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea :)
< 1343768592 957628 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it's a continuous frequency distribution that's really useful
< 1343768608 506518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that for sufficiently large samples, a LOT of things average to it
< 1343768657 386727 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1343768659 472099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-7-50.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1343768683 790401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I was looking at a HTML conversion of the manual. Maybe it got something wrong. ~ does sound more wormy.
< 1343768713 375956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He really expect me to understand "continous frequency distribution" 
< 1343768723 298219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expected
< 1343768725 840085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the dark, all distributions are normal." (An old adage.)
< 1343768769 692423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: basically if you had any statistics course worth the name, you _would_ have heard of it.
< 1343768784 430645 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :cointegration
< 1343768794 171198 :cointegration!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1343768797 721355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't.
< 1343768801 665607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to call it "the hump distribution", even though I suppose most of them are quite humpy.
< 1343768824 512716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also it's the same as what's called the "bell curve"
< 1343768852 768356 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't ring a bell (curve) ;)
< 1343768868 150261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had statistics.
< 1343768939 422354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop has started making these clicking sounds again :(
< 1343768980 164984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't really noticed that it had stopped for a long time, but now it's really irritating.
< 1343769008 999885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could say it's kind of like a non-cyclic version of the Von Mises-Fisher distribution, I'm sure that'd be helpful. (Not that they're directly related or anything.)
< 1343769054 383170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, it used to happen when i was solving a lot of simon tatham's puzzles before...
< 1343769062 997122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i've started again.
< 1343769071 588078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: surely.
< 1343769140 622497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the universe's way of telling me, "you can try as hard as you want to have fun; i will do _something_ to ruin the experience."
< 1343769222 878800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those puzzles, if I recall correctly, do involve a lot of clicking.
< 1343769239 384074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not where the sound is coming from.
< 1343769268 350774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's the law of similarities. As above, so below. And all that.
< 1343769300 753611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's the disk which does it with a certain kind of access pattern.
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< 1343769364 497318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits fizzie with an emerald table (^^^^)

< 1343769381 197482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a disk which did a horrible clicking. Or it was even more like a whirr-clunk kind of thing. (Sadly, I don't remember what happened in the end.)
< 1343769406 596040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's supposed to be tablet, not table.  sorry about that.
< 1343769432 840049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries, people hit me with tables all the time. (Not really.)
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< 1343772130 323880 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/761/ i like to follow the hottest trends and be all hip and shit so here's an old xkcd; now isn't breadth-first search that you first date multiple people for a week one after another, then you date them the same people for two weeks, and so on, and depth-first search is where you're in a relationship until it goes bad
< 1343772181 889673 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm okay maybe he means dating these people at the same time
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< 1343775477 601873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this where i start an argument about monogamy
< 1343775532 672563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.  you can only start a monologue.
< 1343775547 983004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rimshot

< 1343775716 715465 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on it?
< 1343775807 330459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i think i will pass on this one
< 1343775831 301151 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanna know :(
< 1343775864 457081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dated a polyamorist for two and a half years
< 1343775877 165264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that work out
< 1343775970 259361 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for the first two years it was effectively just an open relationship, which was cool. then she got a second boyfriend and my world collapsed and shit.
< 1343775996 939995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1343776005 599970 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you think you would be cool with it, and you turned out not to be cool with it?
< 1343776006 94274 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i hate polyamory but am not really satisfied with a fully closed relationship.
< 1343776025 203422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think deciding you hate polyamory is an unreasonable generalization from that
< 1343776030 565910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but understandable on an emotional level
< 1343776033 535645 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't understand someone could actually want multiple partners apart from sex until it was too late.
< 1343776047 80730 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my girlfriend broke up with her other boyfriend and i'm extremely bummed about it
< 1343776071 273009 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable
< 1343776071 819942 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343776078 186024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loltidus
< 1343776091 433113 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure which comment is funny
< 1343776096 657561 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment or the reply
< 1343776098 674249 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a very social person, for me the point of a gf is to get to be alone with someone.
< 1343776099 314557 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come your nick changed
< 1343776105 496121 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1343776107 449389 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1343776109 375869 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1343776110 35988 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good way to pu tit
< 1343776111 712574 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it*
< 1343776111 893305 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because being alone alone is lonely at times.
< 1343776122 213202 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1343776133 535092 :tidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :ineedanick
< 1343776141 852892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i recognize a difference between a significant other and a really close friend who you also have sex with
< 1343776150 276815 :ineedanick!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :uncertain21
< 1343776153 924339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick ineeddick
< 1343776175 916291 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah theres a lot wrong with ineeda**ck
< 1343776226 822805 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we discount the sex thing, afaiu usually the difference is you have an implicit agreement to stay together through the hard times instead of always being with the partner that is currently the most satisfying.
< 1343776276 795400 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really that's just my opinion, not what i understand to be the case
< 1343776284 82733 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think close friends also stick together through hard times
< 1343776289 139615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have a few close friends though
< 1343776297 290219 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendships can fade away
< 1343776304 828898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do relationships
< 1343776340 227039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"til death do us part" is still a finite amount of time
< 1343776341 223377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1343776370 780936 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the proper order of things is that the man dies a natural death first
< 1343776379 311293 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think crashing characterizes the ends of ideal relationships better.
< 1343776395 843080 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't break up with a friend, nor do you have to. just don't see them.
< 1343776412 700462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's not the same for "close friends" whatever i mean by that
< 1343776418 876704 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like breaking up
< 1343776424 362895 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess
< 1343776441 659788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would try to contact me and i would ignore them and we'd both get really sad
< 1343776447 356931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a way to break up with someone
< 1343776474 756353 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why were you sad that she broke up with him?
< 1343776484 195589 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343776505 428141 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean was it because you felt bad for her or something more practical
< 1343776511 501995 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's because suddenly he is burdened with her whole existence
< 1343776523 267871 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of having adapted to sharing part of her existence
< 1343776532 931832 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly your ability to guess things correctly is not improved when you are talking about my personal life
< 1343776547 459541 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a lot of reasons
< 1343776555 736174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel sad when my friends are sad
< 1343776558 88144 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm close with both of them
< 1343776571 732779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can't hang out with both of them at the same time
< 1343776574 316888 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell, and lambda calculus, relationships are not something i have actually used
< 1343776581 43401 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's less friendly toward me, understandably so
< 1343776609 670216 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i feel guilty too
< 1343776610 473459 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have like casual threesomes and shit? wait that's a bit inappropriate perhaps.
< 1343776623 769194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i worry that she'll eventually dump me
< 1343776629 644264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "casual"
< 1343776644 106121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like, normal relationship shag.
< 1343776654 162479 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes... it was a binary tree sort of threesome, rather than a triangle
< 1343776661 936079 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up
< 1343776667 167047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are really getting to me
< 1343776668 12917 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean in my life actually
< 1343776701 637843 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend and his gf.. when drunk
< 1343776736 367945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncertain21: congrats
< 1343776736 719641 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1343776744 359351 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you people talking about relationships
< 1343776753 125863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we had threesomes, i don't know what's "casual" about it as she was in a long term relationship with both of us
< 1343776756 322988 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about the closest i get to a sex life
< 1343776767 694452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were other threesomes as well
< 1343776772 168987 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with other third parties
< 1343776785 207953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number of people had sex in various configurations and settings
< 1343776796 99222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not including the back of a volkswagon
< 1343776829 833015 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay casual is perhaps a bad term for describing relationship sex, given that it basically means the opposit.
< 1343776830 791478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :re
< 1343776832 764243 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1343776832 915521 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear shit uncertain21 is iti oh dear
< 1343776852 958527 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i find it more casual than non-relationship sex.
< 1343776869 845956 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just force your memory to block it out
< 1343776883 680963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm, it's casual in another way, yes
< 1343776891 85569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice way
< 1343776892 548080 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti is not a virgin?
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< 1343776994 980788 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your gf has multiple boyfriends, you aren't afraid that you're inferior to them and will lose her?
< 1343777056 693788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ideally no
< 1343777067 261981 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your friend has other friends, do you worry similarly
< 1343777075 264081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean with monogamy, you don't have this problem, they can be sex-machines made of money and sexiness and she can't touch them. well unless you break up but the barrier is bigger, and she can't sample beforehand.
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< 1343777095 56749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like having multiple friends because they get complimentary things out of each relationship
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< 1343777117 672006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your friends get along with each other as well, the whole is better than the sum of the parts
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< 1343777126 466031 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why "relationships" should be different
< 1343777142 813284 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't count casual threesomes i'm involved in as real sex :P
< 1343777143 875429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said if you ask "do you worry that $x" to me, the answer is always "yes"
< 1343777147 580914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worry about everything all the time
< 1343777149 689681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes
< 1343777157 134574 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just.. worse than nothing really
< 1343777176 651502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never impose a rule that my girlfriend can't sleep with other people at all
< 1343777179 753281 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is terrible
< 1343777187 66715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want her to be happy
< 1343777199 74983 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleeping with other people from time to time is something which makes her happy
< 1343777212 421764 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conversely for me
< 1343777220 850046 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't worry about my friends, but i'm not sure i'm really bffs with anyone.
< 1343777223 831333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I get what gaussian distribution is.
< 1343777225 822168 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's just gay.
< 1343777229 927553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1343777230 688114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what xkcds random button is missing.
< 1343777241 51636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It produces 23 all the time.
< 1343777275 607202 :uncertain21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
< 1343777278 742989 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wait did you just equate friendships to romantic relationships.
< 1343777286 567972 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, yes, i'm bisexual.)
< 1343777300 722089 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1343777316 46901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... quite a leap.
< 1343777325 194148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the difference anyway
< 1343777336 62745 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've been in several of what you'd probably call romantic relationships
< 1343777340 405569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including currently for several years
< 1343777367 709339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about hormones and shit?
< 1343777374 19230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... about them?
< 1343777379 136539 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how to respond to that statement
< 1343777414 877909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog  itidus21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnjusltDHk
< 1343777480 170508 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are all sorts of neurochemical phenomena which i have no conscious access to
< 1343777485 887098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that link can explain hormones and shit
< 1343777490 483111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly
< 1343777528 4645 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am saying that i don't understand the difference, not that there isn't one
< 1343777532 562053 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe eventually i will understand the difference
< 1343777535 696234 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH the idea of romantic and sexual feelings being separate is hardly an unconventional one.
< 1343777547 164171 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have got this far in life without doing so, and not for lack of close friends or sex partners
< 1343777584 761443 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the difference between friendship and relationship mostly as a contractual one
< 1343777604 977077 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i guess i said that already
< 1343777615 491245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's an implicit contract in any close friendship, whether 'romantic' or not
< 1343777624 157710 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this means i have 'romantic' non-sexual close frienships
< 1343777625 155960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1343777627 270583 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminology sucks
< 1343777675 433613 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit about friendships can fade and relationships can't is interesting, though
< 1343777678 977749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wil think about that more
< 1343777681 196112 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i have an implicit contract with any of my friends
< 1343777697 767508 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i don't have friends i don't just occasionally completely forget about for months.
< 1343777724 766681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few friends who i talk to practically every day
< 1343777743 763794 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly throughout the day i will see or do something and want to tell them about it
< 1343777746 490227 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand when i then randomly call them i expect nothing to have changed so i'm probably wrong about this.
< 1343777747 843375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm thinking about them all the time
< 1343777752 932348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have anyone outside of my family that i talk to offline
< 1343777793 58001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except people who i am paying for their time, or people who the government is paying for their time :P
< 1343777797 412663 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: no talking during the threesomes? sorry, i can't get over this, it's so outside character.
< 1343777803 843099 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what about the one with whom you had the threesome?
< 1343777808 723256 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that....
< 1343777812 838633 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was he a family member?
< 1343777815 833119 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1343777821 833354 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1343777834 939821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. i should add the constraint of for years
< 1343777837 937851 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"except people who i am paying for their time"
< 1343777852 394983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is starting to suspect that the clicking from his laptop is because for the first time in months it spends several seconds in a row _not_ doing disk I/O, so it actually gets parked... so something has stopped hogging the disk and it should be a _good_ thing.  but damn that sound is irritating.

< 1343777853 756578 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend whores
< 1343777856 585554 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D
< 1343777871 827323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for FTDs
< 1343777877 486989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka therapist
< 1343777883 613355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for not joining the sex talk)
< 1343777886 79853 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paying for their time = doctors, people selling food
< 1343777886 680255 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're highly trained though
< 1343777887 896608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343777894 798493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like those $1,000/hr prostitutes
< 1343777919 417947 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehee FTDs
< 1343777922 905391 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you could hire one of those prostitutes for 3.6 seconds.

< 1343777930 334819 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please do
< 1343777934 153194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 prostitute.. she just didn't appeal to my twisted needs
< 1343777944 192397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are?
< 1343777946 603672 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus has threesomes regularly, your turn to surprise us
< 1343777989 245375 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no.. there was only 2 .. and threesome only in a binary tree topology
< 1343777995 297028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343778006 64914 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you didn't have sex with the guy?
< 1343778009 775624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1343778022 653235 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, i would've never guessed
< 1343778043 313613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things about me are best left unexplained
< 1343778043 503621 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1343778046 827069 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually when two guys and a girl have a threesome, the guys can't stop kissing each other
< 1343778106 436854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should all trust oklopol on this.
< 1343778112 842656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't tell if oklopol sarcastic or not
< 1343778119 740725 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty accurate in my experience
< 1343778125 90488 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1343778135 801979 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you.
< 1343778142 187280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't tell if oklopol and kmc or both sarcastic or not
< 1343778146 856017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean you eventually stop kissing
< 1343778152 946253 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do other things with your mouths
< 1343778153 116462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are
< 1343778160 86381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some mental issues to work through before i can enjoy sex
< 1343778174 526619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1343778186 284095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had some as well

< 1343778265 324397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remember it's not gay unless the balls touch
< 1343778288 493443 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was being sarcastic, kmc wasn't
< 1343778291 231198 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the penises touch
< 1343778294 346937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the balls touch what?
< 1343778307 291259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OKAY
< 1343778320 587074 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not being sarcastic until the "balls touch" statement
< 1343778330 946803 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was clear
< 1343778334 654403 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ball touching is neither necessary nor sufficient for gayness
< 1343778373 774698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... it's probably best if i don't explain any more
< 1343778400 933589 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1343778406 581250 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't judge
< 1343778443 215475 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if penises touch, you're gay.
< 1343778444 144905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive told other chatrooms every last detail about anything related to sex.. it's really not interesting
< 1343778451 516581 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :super gay.
< 1343778468 45455 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you paste the log?
< 1343778474 942804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1343778475 858071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1343778491 690319 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why the long teaser
< 1343778493 593890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I dunno, a lot of people find sex very interesting.
< 1343778579 721200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries disabling jqs as that seemed to run every few seconds.

< 1343778580 906747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women always keep their distance from me
< 1343778584 761288 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1343778590 600323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, java quick starter
< 1343778591 733697 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even prostitutes?
< 1343778609 506891 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where it went wrong.
< 1343778619 641419 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting close to iti was just too far.
< 1343778627 501293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too twisted.
< 1343778644 502575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yep.  i think it might be keeping the disk working unnecessarily, but not continuously, causing constant parking (i noticed the clicks seemed to happen a few seconds after jqs wakes up)
< 1343778662 47125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still happen now, but not as frequently
< 1343778737 126533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiit
< 1343778770 140676 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok to end the suspense
< 1343778835 850547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first time was with this guys sister.. except since she acted like she was missing a few cards in her deck, it didn't go all the way
< 1343778848 670852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far did it go and what age?
< 1343778851 224079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the next day she said it did.. and started up about how i better not make her pregnant
< 1343778861 950540 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1343778873 78740 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :your penis didn't go all the way i guess
< 1343778880 665260 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was at this point i realized my memory isn't very good
< 1343778923 768345 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BCED.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1343778931 919053 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i got it in on my first time. such a complicated process :D
< 1343778966 291994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first step was accidently trying to finger her urethra, until she explained my error
< 1343778975 558392 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :D
< 1343778997 272086 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear the story about the woman who used the urethra as a vagina
< 1343779049 455736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah usually that's more like third date stuff so it's understandable if she got mad
< 1343779078 123859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. there was an awful squeaking noise when our bodies touched, like an armpit raspberry thing
< 1343779128 192050 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you were twelve so that was really bad?
< 1343779131 321342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1343779133 612724 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah not 12
< 1343779193 613787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Phantom_Hoover