< 1344125033 115039 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1344126085 771519 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :D
< 1344126136 307538 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched a video of the ending!
< 1344126144 589186 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virgin turns out to be the guy from the start.
< 1344126908 62609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is watching Red vs. Blue
< 1344126944 142815 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Both Chimays are awesome.
< 1344127047 716881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1344127051 797618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still in season 1
< 1344127749 476931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LCD monitor sometimes wrong phase even though it was correct yesterday?
< 1344128097 511074 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch to a digital video interface.
< 1344128099 168227 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems too hard for me to solve manually in reasonable time, at least if i insist on "realistic" running, so i wanted to make a bot for it, but apparently there's no easy way to send keydowns and keyups to the active window so ble.
< 1344128165 847377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what?
< 1344128181 244448 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's me vs IO/API stuff, "not easy" means it's not "import keystuff; keystuff.sendkeydown(key)".
< 1344128188 623968 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what?
< 1344128215 968662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seemed to say that without context.
< 1344128230 877189 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry context was clop
< 1344128242 644283 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1344128255 250795 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i went to the shoppe between my messages, so no time passed.
< 1344128269 597612 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you do it with a bot, make it mash hjk over and over?
< 1344128283 571408 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Leaving out l makes your back leg act as a stabiliser.)
< 1344128306 200208 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what i'll do yet, but i certainly won't do anything myself, i will automatize everything and just let it play.
< 1344128362 242428 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ideas but the most sensible solutions would require me to parse the at least the rotation, velocity and rotational velocity of the horse, which sounds tedious.
< 1344128397 902460 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll probably just have it hill climb the last five seconds of best solutions known sofar and measure the speed at which the horse is moving.
< 1344128416 289449 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a utility function
< 1344128461 319968 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could decompile the Flash, lay it out on a slab and stick electrodes into it, but that's... very tedious.
< 1344128492 241839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the actual data moving around inside the flash thing gets way too IO for me.
< 1344128502 480348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just parse everything from the window atm
< 1344128587 488967 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything = where the horse currently is on the level
< 1344128841 720877 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there's a little horsie at the bottom of the window, although it's still pretty annoying to do due to the tree.
< 1344128997 589105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the picture on the list of ideas for?
< 1344129237 4582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tektur's edit has the summary "picture of a bit esoteric lamp symbolizing ideas"
< 1344129254 666969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1344129263 997776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any TV set have 16:15 aspect ratio mode?
< 1344129580 881170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Digital video interface, well, that doesn't answer my question though.
< 1344129722 450876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By discussion with some people I have come up with another kind of digital video interface consisting of eleven pairs and all data in one direction only. It also uses nine bits per channel (27 bits per pixel) due to just how it turns out. The pairs are labeled: RED0, RED1, RED2, GREEN0, GREEN1, GREEN2, BLUE0, BLUE1, BLUE2, CLOCK, SYNC.
< 1344129749 992633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resolution is known by the number of CLOCK signals between two SYNC signals; there are three clocks per pixel and one sync per frame.
< 1344129857 24319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe add a twelvth pair labeled AUDIO which has a mono audio signal. Now it can use 24 pins of DB-25.)
< 1344131840 121227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: This person is working on a program called "kmc".
< 1344132083 72890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :k modular compiler
< 1344132834 862113 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kickass monkey crawler
< 1344133199 4039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What person?
< 1344134332 713835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK?   for(x=0;x<16;x+=2) { y=tiles[addr].data[x]; tiles[addr].data[x]=tiles[addr].data[x^7]; tiles[addr].data[x^7]=y; }
< 1344134358 889077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks right
< 1344135388 951633 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344136247 917500 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1344136562 381564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1344137203 658292 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1344138917 443843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is algorithm for rotating a 8x8 icon of one bit per pixel?
< 1344139787 240071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 90 degrees?
< 1344139849 650437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote code that did that with colored bitmaps stored as 1-dim arrays
< 1344139984 567959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in java (because processing) but you can translate:
< 1344140017 987877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :public void rotate(PImage in, int times) { int l=in.pixels.length; in.loadPixels(); int h=in.height; int w=in.width; for (int j=0;j<times;j++) { color[] newbuff = new color[l]; for (int i=0;i<l;i++) { newbuff[i]=in.pixels[i%w*h+h-1-i/w]; } in.pixels = newbuff; h=w^h; w=w^h; h=w^h; } in.width=w; in.height=h; in.updatePixels(); }
< 1344140042 459452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in.pixels is the original image array, and newbuff is the new image's array
< 1344140084 435844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :times is an integer that tells it to rotate 90*times degrees
< 1344140096 882655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :newbuff[i]=in.pixels[i%w*h+h-1-i/w]; is the real work
< 1344140693 791292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in this case it is one bit per pixel, so the array is length 8 (actually 16 because there is two planes, but we can ignore that).
< 1344141300 929027 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.  How would you rotate an image through 90 degrees in-place?  Supposing that all you can do is pixel swaps.
< 1344141309 279771 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll allow you to assume a fixed size of 8x8 if that helps
< 1344141336 970610 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he has the answer, but it might not be optimal
< 1344141440 479757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to rotate it by 90 degrees in a certain direction or by 180 degrees?
< 1344141471 786076 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :90 in a certain direction
< 1344141478 392504 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :180 is too trivial ;)
< 1344141496 673643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pretty easy to do
< 1344141522 262406 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly easy, yes
< 1344141530 267374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say char x[8]; is the input picture
< 1344141536 928275 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344141537 475694 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and char y[8]; is the output
< 1344141548 908381 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you using a bitmask of 1-bit pixels there?
< 1344141574 279366 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be an efficient trick you can pull in that case, Iunno
< 1344141587 777887 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no separate output.  *in-place*
< 1344141648 469219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: do the same routine i did above, but with three xors instead of the assignment
< 1344141661 521284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you do it in place, you end up overwriting the data you want to read
< 1344141692 818255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same as i did for switching the height and width)
< 1344141730 129839 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but supposing you have a single "swap pixel (x1,y1) with pixel (x2,y2)" operation
< 1344141752 576242 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what pattern of such operations do you use to do the rotate in the fewest ops?
< 1344141753 515975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1344141767 412265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe you could do 90° rotation with two flips
< 1344141777 282399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it ages ago but I forgot
< 1344141782 353990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think freefull is right
< 1344141796 978960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that one nametag swapping puzzle
< 1344141801 374617 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do any rotation using two flips
< 1344141804 847136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be able to do it in two passes
< 1344141808 788075 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you could, but that's inefficient
< 1344141813 775089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I forget what the flips would be for 90°
< 1344141822 140893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Sure, but it's a starting point
< 1344141824 527005 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a better way
< 1344141835 812065 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to do it with linear algebra, you don't have to
< 1344141847 798642 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think in terms of group theory / permutations
< 1344141855 827440 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : / actions
< 1344141864 325371 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: there's a better way than the two passes of swaps?
< 1344141879 378992 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1344141891 775417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's the one-pass version i guess
< 1344141909 730938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just swap them all into the first cell and then back out to where that next one goes
< 1344141920 169097 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quarter of the pixels only get touched once with my method
< 1344141940 708486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean only a quarter of the pixels?
< 1344141959 878198 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two flips takes w*h swaps, right?
< 1344141963 337744 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a checkerboard image you have to touch all the pixels to rotate it 90°
< 1344141978 552065 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's method takes w*h-1 swaps
< 1344141992 787635 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my method takes ¾w*h swaps
< 1344141993 207632 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you have two flips
< 1344142025 538196 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: read again.  not "only a quarter get touched once", but "a quarter only get touched one".
< 1344142029 865649 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest get touched twice
< 1344142042 737196 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the two flips method, they all get touched twice
< 1344142048 178731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Shouldn't ½w*h be possible
< 1344142049 617765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1344142055 521050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think freefull is right
< 1344142061 772955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my original idea does it like that
< 1344142067 40881 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It doesn't
< 1344142076 892086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't explain it
< 1344142084 211965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rejected it too fast
< 1344142104 697849 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't think ½w*h is possible
< 1344142130 618497 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make clear that you have to find a general method that works for any image
< 1344142134 791108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1344142135 803194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually char x[8] is like what we have not the swap pixel operation.
< 1344142137 302194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rectangular
< 1344142142 729892 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ½w*h+1 method
< 1344142149 434192 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, square
< 1344142151 696502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have mirror, flip, draw rectangle, and format conversion.
< 1344142156 368192 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, with a totally black image you need no swaps
< 1344142166 110165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: then why say w*h
< 1344142171 560313 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This isn't a practical problem to do with what you're doing, it's just a puzzle
< 1344142180 729271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: OK
< 1344142182 478138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :½L
< 1344142182 730231 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just because
< 1344142188 860339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can swap pixels in a circular pattern
< 1344142194 129166 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather square pattern
< 1344142196 68869 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes...
< 1344142198 794422 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you just go clockwise
< 1344142202 780673 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're getting there...
< 1344142222 282184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to think of the code though
< 1344142240 313293 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the spiraling thing does ¾
< 1344142253 146518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any better way than swap pixels?
< 1344142257 170580 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yup.  Can you see a way to beat it?
< 1344142277 531391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think
< 1344142297 148922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :three swaps for every rectangle of pixels
< 1344142316 320163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl with tr, tr with ll, lr  with ll
< 1344142330 240141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1344142334 478661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do happen to have lookup tables "reverse" and "unmingle" but could add a few more if it help a lot
< 1344142335 297074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one's off :P
< 1344142344 577316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl with tr, tr with ll, tr with lr
< 1344142347 527228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say we have a 2x2 image
< 1344142352 394465 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1001
< 1344142360 290317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl=top left, lr = lower right etc.
< 1344142372 516020 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just think permutations: (1 2 3 4) = (1 2) (2 3) (3 4)
< 1344142433 20063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i said (1 2) (2 4) (2 3). that way no *value* moves more than twice
< 1344142434 575408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of something that probably isn't very useful
< 1344142479 461144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you treat the outer rim of the image as a binary number of 28 bits, by rotating it right by 8 you literally rotate it right
< 1344142480 990616 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you mean (1 3)(1 2)(3 4)?
< 1344142495 608261 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's quite neat, yes
< 1344142499 672063 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would be inconvienient to code
< 1344142516 38420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: also converting the bit array to that number would end up slower than this
< 1344142520 408840 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how useful it is, unless you actually store your image in taxicab polar co-ordinates
< 1344142521 466312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is true but useless since the picture is not stored in that format.
< 1344142544 508326 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would also be inconvenient as you now have a triangular array to store
< 1344142589 488520 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, to rotate a 2x2 image, the way I'm thinking of would have four swaps
< 1344142601 653512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's w*h and not the best according to what yous ay
< 1344142606 295282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an idea to execute soundnfury's method faster
< 1344142621 168847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without assuming a swap routine
< 1344142677 814189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1344142683 190209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it requires square image
< 1344142689 342444 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine
< 1344142708 732148 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no problem.  You can't really in-place rotate a non-square image :p
< 1344142715 378594 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your idea?
< 1344142723 31598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your best bet is the loop i said above. it rotates any image (including rectangular) in time linear in the length of the image.
< 1344142737 83885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: yes you could.
< 1344142739 664288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's w*h
< 1344142766 317697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my method above, with the assignment replaced by three xors would rotate even non-square images in place.
< 1344142802 508637 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean if you reinterpret the array dimensions?
< 1344142825 548001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately, you always need to move w*h pixels to a different position
< 1344142826 414528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just swapping them is sufficient for a 90 degree rotation
< 1344142861 563141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have proven you can rotate any image 90 degrees with 3*l*w bitwise operations. that's something eh
< 1344142872 732520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :go beat it.
< 1344142873 218618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how it is 1 bit per pixel monochrome?
< 1344142896 806026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my method doesn't care about your encoding of a pixel.
< 1344142910 37414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking of some other stuff too now
< 1344142912 244210 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your 1bpp images I still think there should be an efficient trick with bitwise stuff
< 1344142913 362575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can fetch a bit and move it
< 1344142948 147292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sure you can fetch a bit and move it but that doesn't seem efficient, since they are packed in one byte
< 1344142955 277264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably rotate a byte at a time
< 1344142971 96206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes that is one of my thoughts too.
< 1344142988 780240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it is difficult to rotate a byte at a time, since the bits will all end up separated in memory after the rotation
< 1344143009 228982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What do you mean?
< 1344143035 896460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume row major ordering on a picture 10 pixels wide.
< 1344143050 773476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits that start next to each other in memory will end up separated by 10 bits
< 1344143051 846522 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, row major ordering is the common one
< 1344143078 89546 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are working with a picture 8 pixels wide though
< 1344143081 666964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :8x8
< 1344143084 505674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1344143084 686382 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like y[0]=((x[0]&0x80)>>7)|((x[1]&0x80)>>6)|((x[2]&0x80)>>5)|...|(x[7]&0x80)
< 1344143088 857208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they end up a byte separated
< 1344143129 185501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: You said in place
< 1344143131 129004 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use bitfields (in C) and a massive block of assignments, and rely on vectorising compilers
< 1344143132 494787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: that is essentially the method i give above, rewritten to handle a byte at a time
< 1344143147 66063 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm talking about zzo38's problem now, sorry
< 1344143178 855093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: and i think it is the best bet
< 1344143230 560164 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you cast the char[8] to a uint64_t and do something nifty there?
< 1344143283 916698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Maybe not since the endianness might differ
< 1344143294 354594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That would depend on endianness
< 1344143298 982365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it might be some algorithm that work with any endianness.
< 1344143319 646722 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think it would be useful
< 1344143328 247467 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might possibly be able to condition on #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN
< 1344143341 463468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a whole thread on this
< 1344143342 682247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1667591/rotating-a-bitmap-90-degrees
< 1344143363 102215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top answer looks promising
< 1344143383 867085 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does
< 1344143397 927203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the first byte, the first bit becomes the last bit
< 1344143409 783012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that binary search approach
< 1344143410 710207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest of the bits are from the side
< 1344143412 211216 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice, it uses octal constants!
< 1344143501 822289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely use octal constants but sometimes I find it useful, one purpose is to encode seven-segment displays
< 1344143521 50566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you see that solution? it appears to be exactly what you want and is completely in-place
< 1344143532 340394 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my favourite octal use is chmod
< 1344143539 117760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't look yet but maybe I will do so
< 1344143558 78935 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I also like to use octal for backslash escapes, like C does
< 1344143605 296990 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I handle escapes in quIRC
< 1344143628 196592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod is another use of octal numbers. I will also use octals when the number of bits of some field is a multiple of three
< 1344143659 257924 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1344143678 787664 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you are dealing with a 9-bit byte or 36-bit word computer
< 1344143691 250092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those are the kind of things I meant
< 1344143721 115191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it good to use them then?
< 1344143727 426552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm
< 1344143732 409337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for storing them
< 1344143766 574913 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinguish the case of "multiple-of-3-bit fields in software" (like chmod) from "multiple-of-3-bit bytes in hardware" (like 36-bit word computers)
< 1344143784 293584 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that there are many of those around these days ;)
< 1344143860 450193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using a 36-bit word computer, you're likely to be using lisp rather than c =P
< 1344143997 606061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be cool if there was a modern balanced trinary computer
< 1344144518 301547 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: one of my secret ambitions is to make one
< 1344144534 966443 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an engineer friend who thinks it could be done with ECL
< 1344144539 187895 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emitter Coupled Logic)
< 1344144563 205005 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I say engineer; he's actually a physicist, but he /behaves/ like an engineer.
< 1344144851 507032 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you need are to use signals of GND/+/- for 0/1/A
< 1344144880 912702 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if esoteric hardware belongs on an esolang wiki
< 1344144916 283104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I think yes you can put hardware too there are a few things already about hardware so you could include it.
< 1344144924 146440 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1344144963 887271 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few old sketches of a ternary instruction set
< 1344144976 237202 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few ideas of how to make ternary logic on this model
< 1344144996 1974 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I could put a design together, then emulate it in software
< 1344145493 169446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1344145596 918631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344145740 624306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344145741 909988 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-3.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344145776 493101 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute... we can do /weighted/ sums in ECL
< 1344145786 895900 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's basically just op-amps
< 1344145805 275136 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is semi-analogue, freaky
< 1344146115 956937 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just designed a ternary half-adder using only summing and inverting op-amps
< 1344146146 797023 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because everything runs in the linear region, it'd be very fast (though it'd drink power and get hot!)
< 1344147511 427317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you convert a program to a Typographical Number Theory string so that the program halt if it is true and no halt if not true? Can it be done the other way around?
< 1344148025 476111 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Soundandfury/Ternary_ECL <-- half-adder done
< 1344148285 986694 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've invented a new term, "trith table"
< 1344148293 968165 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like truth table, but for trits ;)
< 1344148377 75947 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cock, I've just realised my half-adder is wrong
< 1344148414 677082 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get it right /eventually/...
< 1344148669 793271 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed it.
< 1344149287 463454 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PART :#esoteric
< 1344149580 593129 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now designing an HDL for amplifier logic
< 1344149592 983637 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can test these designs properly, and describe them without drawing pictures
< 1344149906 431436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344150210 377530 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1344150222 84081 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344150505 636080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: O well, my Dungeons&Dragons character did that once, and almost lost...
< 1344152079 59756 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344153157 276498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WHY WHY would I read blog posts of someone who I determined is an idiot?
< 1344153776 983135 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: do you signify anything?
< 1344153815 189625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no idea. You are giving their website extra hits, and depending on if it has ads and if you have an adblocker, extra ad revenue
< 1344153822 931554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes that sounds like a very stupid thing to do
< 1344153890 451145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of stupid ideas, lets check if efunge works on windows. I can't see why it shouldn't, though building and starting it may require cygwin (due to a Makefile and a shell script wrapper)
< 1344153994 313950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to see any ads
< 1344154155 792335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems to work from cygwin as soon as I set up the proper PATH for it to find erlang
< 1344154317 795044 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, nothing.
< 1344154347 608415 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well told by an idiot
< 1344154347 828026 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a tale told by an idiot.
< 1344154359 955905 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1344154376 937870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or does anyone else have problems with the annotations option being off by default on youtube?
< 1344154383 562911 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundfury: well, at least one of us didn't say tomorrow
< 1344154384 958196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem started like last week
< 1344154389 277042 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would have been time for such a word
< 1344155795 533985 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344155852 506359 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1344156224 358758 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Taneb
< 1344156232 41970 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning to you.
< 1344156238 624219 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1344156409 247010 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344156536 3274 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is inventing ternary computers made of op-amps
< 1344156541 976625 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Soundandfury/Ternary_ECL
< 1344156608 192516 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You using balanced ternary?
< 1344156626 94180 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1, 0, 1 as opposed to 0, 1, 2)
< 1344158228 618408 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yup
< 1344158244 718795 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I was reading bitbitjump arguments from 2009)
< 1344158271 256623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, can you represent ternary logic in VHDL btw?
< 1344158278 963667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't remember how balanced ternary works...
< 1344158303 807839 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only by encoding each trit as two bits.  Not natively
< 1344158310 344605 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, afaik
< 1344158311 500886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1344158316 615938 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also 0, 1, ?, iirc)
< 1344158322 721667 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly sure that's the case in Verilog)
< 1344158328 17991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, can you represent analogue values in VHDL?
< 1344158334 65546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember
< 1344158340 897816 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.  But tbh I've only used Verilog
< 1344158341 918957 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344158349 210575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1344158354 353844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only used VHDL
< 1344158856 825505 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-161-76.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1344158903 72094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Red vs Blue
< 1344159097 943172 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344159256 547070 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1344159688 123164 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344159783 385652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, the person edited their blog post and mentioned me
< 1344159783 898806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojurefun.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/macro-magic-the-xor-macro-38-2/
< 1344159824 108462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :music cds are such strange beasts.
< 1344159933 643373 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-150.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344160620 747819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defmacro to the rescue!
< 1344161764 879252 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344161865 912823 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344161873 663993 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1344161878 555958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whereas DVD-Audio is just a data DVD with an AUDIO_TS directory. (C.f. VIDEO_TS for DVD-Video.)
< 1344161906 245995 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344162794 797522 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1344163567 322996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are DVD-Audio?
< 1344163624 48442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I almost completely finished sorting my computer based music collection now
< 1344163636 199077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I don't think I ever ripped most of the CDs I own...
< 1344163733 127173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a standard, yes.
< 1344163748 861928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably have about 50-70 classical music CDs that I don't have on the computer.
< 1344163757 377421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more
< 1344163763 714273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes up to 192 kHz 24-bit stereo; or 96 kHz 5.1-surround, officially.
< 1344163781 283719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically all the ones I didn't find in musicbrainz and couldn't be arsed to add)
< 1344163802 377293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you can have multiple versions at different settings.)
< 1344163839 947953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stored as plain old linear PCM, either uncompressed or with Meridian.
< 1344163854 589300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344163870 940445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you mean "with Meridian"?
< 1344163879 366682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP.
< 1344163880 466566 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344163887 1080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lossless packing format.
< 1344163889 724468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1344163891 981160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it
< 1344163911 606915 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344163914 414777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's patented or at least somewhat proprietary.
< 1344163914 595043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I will ditch using flac and go ogg for all of that
< 1344163933 684902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what I'm going to use on the phone
< 1344163935 734234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've probably even seen a DVD-Audio disc anywhere, it's not exactly a terribly popular format.
< 1344163940 922252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want a unified music library thing
< 1344163993 707897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my phone supposedly supports exFAT. Samsung licensed it or something
< 1344163999 567490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that didn't work well at all
< 1344164000 47822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put both VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders on the same disc, so a DVD-Audio disc can be compatible with regular DVD players, if you just put the same music into the audio track of some placeholder video.
< 1344164028 179654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reformatted the 64 GB card to FAT32 after getting "create failed" errors when copying files to it
< 1344164037 531525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :works like a charm now
< 1344164070 243982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess you could do music videos even?
< 1344164078 264384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably.
< 1344164099 742427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, nothing can play audio DVD that isn't a computer afaik
< 1344164110 622386 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the point
< 1344164131 618050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wish CDs included metadata about the music
< 1344164148 178169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-TEXT isn't very common
< 1344164163 334350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I seen it once on a CD-ROM
< 1344164165 397679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think there are players.
< 1344164171 97459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, actual DVD-Audio players.
< 1344164174 48627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344164213 494403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well DVD-audio would certainly making ripping this 7-CD box less painful 
< 1344164236 310062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdparanoia took about two minutes for the first track on the first CD
< 1344164249 952136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 13 minute long track though
< 1344164252 708610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess not too bad
< 1344164283 582914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway entering stuff into musicbrainz is painful. Especially for classical music
< 1344164395 116841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh; there's a thing in the DVD-Audio standard that you're not allowed to send the output over an unencrypted digital link, like S/PDIF, unless it's limited to 48 kHz stereo.
< 1344164429 394297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want digital audio out of your DVD-Audio player, HDMI's about the only way.
< 1344164468 368744 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.148.3.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344164656 249544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, to correct a misstatement I made earlier; the laptop doesn't have {HDMI, DVI, VGA}; it just has {HDMI, DVI}. (Though you can of course use a DVI/VGA adapter.)
< 1344164680 599596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also sort-of explain "why DVI": can't put analogue VGA into a HDMI hole, I don't think it has the right pins for that.
< 1344164692 121112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "why HDMI" can be explained as a convenience thing.)
< 1344165957 259049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344165971 654203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't explain "why DVI instead of VGA" though
< 1344165985 919187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since VGA is often used for projectors
< 1344166118 882943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1344166352 49812 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1344166446 316938 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders just how much can be achieved in LOOPY ECLAIR
< 1344166459 737945 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether it qualifies as an esolang itself
< 1344166610 538632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344167696 495075 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344168467 431358 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13301D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344168687 248522 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a name for my ECL ternary computer
< 1344168704 455192 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably something containing the letters 'ECL'.
< 1344168741 82101 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I've thought of Recluse and Declare, neither of which are great
< 1344169278 886556 :mig22!~mig@111.65.28.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344169372 886477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-239.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344169490 198445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, this video player has an advertisement playing counter that's wrong
< 1344169499 720981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ad keeps playing even when it says 0 seconds left
< 1344169681 939734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-239.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344170566 19394 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-150.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1344170720 425084 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-47.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344171067 963219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344172614 139496 :mig22!~mig@111.65.28.14 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1344172747 892814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344172992 270704 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1344173084 692220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344173341 393990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has everyone seen http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&curid=2038&diff=33318&oldid=33243
< 1344173422 99462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have
< 1344173430 60120 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep before comprehension though
< 1344173654 672340 :mig22!~mig@203.118.14.114 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344173686 175392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 
< 1344173696 805559 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My semi-newish laptop still has VGA for some reason
< 1344173696 993395 :mig22_!~mig@111.65.28.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344173701 885326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA and HDMI
< 1344173745 712110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they went "Hey, we have some space here, what do we put in? I know, VGA! People still use VGA sometimes, right?"
< 1344173775 310454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1344173777 27597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it
< 1344173839 483280 :mig22!~mig@203.118.14.114 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1344173841 652595 :mig22_!~mig@111.65.28.14 NICK :mig22
< 1344173909 785312 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13301D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]
< 1344174101 799387 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344174836 230879 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344175208 997004 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344175237 806471 :mig22!~mig@111.65.28.14 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1344177532 959085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I want a distributed offloading thingy. Like distcc but for general tasks
< 1344177580 788290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... If I ripped a CD and I want to convert it to ogg, then I would normally do echo *.wav | xargs -P4 -n1 oggenc -q4 or so, (where -P4 is the number of cores)
< 1344177589 381718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I could use all my computers instead
< 1344178043 639445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see gnu parallel
< 1344178045 973013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it can do that
< 1344178419 370301 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344178434 683704 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344178996 393200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it?
< 1344179223 278411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1344179242 877421 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GNU parallel is a shell tool for executing jobs in parallel using one or more computers."
< 1344179470 913972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It can be useful if you e.g. need to hook up the laptop to a projector.
< 1344179524 963896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in quite a few lecture halls I've been in the provided projector cable that reaches the speaker's desk has still been VGA, no matter if the projectors themselves do DVI and HDMI and whatnot.
< 1344179967 825029 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, recursively instantiating hardware gives me a headache
< 1344180444 122205 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so.  Conclusion: if you supply ecloop with an ECLAIR file that contains recursion, it segfaults because it's trying to instantiate blocks that it doesn't yet have the full definition for.
< 1344180474 981847 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't segfault until the third recursive call of instantiate(), in the simple case of a block that contains a copy of itself.
< 1344180510 382434 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the behaviour of instantiation of incomplete objects is *weird*.
< 1344180587 60335 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In related news, you also have to define things before you instantiate them else the instantiator gets confused - it can't handle forward references.
< 1344180595 117808 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.219.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION head asplode
< 1344181197 248841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344181252 151998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I put a poll on Facebook to see what color pants I should buy. Orange, hot pink or (normal) pink. Most people voted for orange. My dad voted for hot pink. I come from a weird family.
< 1344181799 157679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1344181872 811037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Go for hot pink
< 1344182453 337482 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1344182604 310355 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344183026 135152 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344183176 960769 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1344183607 493906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1344184854 510633 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344184866 771539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344185029 938183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344185156 114763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1344185171 950191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344185307 726565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344185900 23079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, elliott
< 1344185940 399430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1344186030 669762 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott
< 1344186089 673862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a homestuck meetup in Newcastle on Tuesday if you guys want to come
< 1344186192 976621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which newcastle
< 1344186230 221220 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new one
< 1344186245 310665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhheh
< 1344186258 562110 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you elliott that was funny
< 1344186261 849544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am fine, thank you for the information
< 1344186267 712507 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1344186268 20717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that wasn't to you!! in fact that wasn't to anyone
< 1344186273 376540 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry
< 1344186274 292600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was to lambdabot
< 1344186285 107203 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lambdabot you tell the best jokes :)
< 1344186285 496530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1344186297 673713 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy we're being extra friendly today do you want a cookie
< 1344186307 177331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1344186319 934312 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what the fuck kind of half-assed semiresponse is that
< 1344186336 784129 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i don't have cookies :(
< 1344186364 902744 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the one both of us can get a train to
< 1344186434 579040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the old one...
< 1344187044 1244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1344187478 102227 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344187712 523682 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-47.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1344188363 544893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344189269 623304 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13375E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344189690 221563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344189723 464900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1344189728 877755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Microsoft Security Essentials thing any good? I'm trying to set up a Windows VM thing.
< 1344189731 820587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet... Deewiant knows.
< 1344189767 890978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m under the impression that it’s good.
< 1344189771 756178 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decent.
< 1344189820 307174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. (Microsoft(TM) Update(R) helpfully offered to install it as, uh, an "update".)
< 1344189822 983347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344189857 321039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1344189962 227806 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As far as I know, it's a functional antivirus program that is low on bloat.
< 1344189984 507072 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Windows use, I recommend it heavily over more common bullshit.
< 1344189989 414831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional as in working, or functional is in written in OCaml?
< 1344189993 233167 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Norton can fuck off and die)
< 1344189995 901303 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: As in working.
< 1344190121 872944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the name of that new-ish (native) port of bash and grep and awk and make and so on to Windows? ISTR it had a GitHub page for a website.
< 1344190154 152013 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me..
< 1344190156 255026 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.
< 1344190165 321327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1344190169 176002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were doing so well, too.
< 1344190204 119678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use stuff like that barely at all these days.
< 1344190230 674138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344190244 194109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, I need to compile this program, which has a Makefile. :/
< 1344190259 36972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I'm going to have to set up PDCurses and everything too.
< 1344190260 486323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW and MSYS :-P
< 1344190281 597959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well the idea would be to use those ports as something like MSYS except that isn't a crappy fork of ancient Cygwin.
< 1344190289 364505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be using MinGW for a compiler, yes.
< 1344190310 350394 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares what it is, it works well enough.
< 1344190341 663895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what's "stuff like that", then?
< 1344190347 545694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interpretation would have included MSYS.
< 1344190379 989850 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it in years, but last time I did it worked fine.
< 1344190615 618329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344190677 863345 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Is that Microsoft Security Essentials thing any good? I'm trying to set up a Windows VM thing. <-- it is okay, and it is pretty lightweight
< 1344190705 328619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly reduced my memory footprint when i switched to it from avg
< 1344190747 162072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although on the downside, i now have strange delays when starting programs
< 1344190788 673981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it on windows, no strange delays unless I'm opening huge installers, but that happens anyway due to checking if the thing is signed or not
< 1344190829 590044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly notice it when starting vim
< 1344190840 864358 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use vim under windows. Or anywhere
< 1344190842 503374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not really noticed much in the way of program start delay. But, then, Windows has such a ridiculous process spawn cost anyways.
< 1344190849 925992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1344190864 161764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I use emacs and kate on *nix and notepad++ on windows
< 1344190881 310810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares what editor you use
< 1344190897 328753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether you prefer Rock Band or Guitar Hero however...
< 1344190897 578677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1344190909 362658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for Vorpal, apparently
< 1344190919 255148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I don't play either
< 1344190922 346466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1344190973 208075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, don't both require consoles?
< 1344190976 614219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a console
< 1344190993 402335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, guitar hero at least is also arcade!
< 1344190999 170985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny
< 1344191007 98405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is an arcade for miles
< 1344191009 93827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasted like �30 on it last week :(
< 1344191084 899472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FreeFull> Let's say char x[8]; is the input picture
< 1344191107 834195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's got to be something clever with shifts and bitmasks for that...
< 1344191143 50553 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, the high scores were really easy to beat, and I am awesome at Belly of a Shark
< 1344191157 95153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, what is the size of your char?
< 1344191173 528905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that
< 1344191178 424432 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, song
< 1344191181 917134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes...
< 1344191185 400845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here I lie
< 1344191187 306691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 8 bit, since it's encoding an 8 x 8 icon
< 1344191188 651367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the belly of a shark
< 1344191192 448380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see...
< 1344191193 630366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fucking cold so fucking dark
< 1344191196 562412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here I lie
< 1344191199 648213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the belly of a shark
< 1344191201 578402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1344191208 304177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how the fuck did I get this far
< 1344191213 834551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I have to do
< 1344191217 368960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is swim up to you
< 1344191219 851564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convince you
< 1344191220 197531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, monochrome with 1 bit per pixel then
< 1344191222 968826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1344191223 238409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To climb in too
< 1344191226 456592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses that
< 1344191240 679856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ask zzo38 he was asking the original question
< 1344191242 755379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice song
< 1344191255 426097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TI calculator would be a nice place to use such a compact crazy encoding
< 1344191258 366128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> What is algorithm for rotating a 8x8 icon of one bit per pixel?
< 1344191321 368047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm gonna go play guitar hero now
< 1344191324 340416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1344191378 490753 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344191529 277406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344191551 620753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change of plan...
< 1344191558 855611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother's on the XBox
< 1344191597 760627 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe the C99 standard guarantees chars to be 8 bits
< 1344191611 780408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could always use uint8_t
< 1344191672 235820 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 8 or more bits.
< 1344191684 501753 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX guarantees chars to be 8 bits precisely.
< 1344191694 913199 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it requires uint8_t to exist)
< 1344191735 51123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But uint8_t doesn't have to be equivalent to char, does it?
< 1344191757 270189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FreeFull> Vorpal: I believe the C99 standard guarantees chars to be 8 bits <-- nope
< 1344191761 228278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as pikhq said
< 1344191783 839843 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it must be without padding if it does exist, and *hugely importantly* all sizes of other types are multiples of char's size in size.
< 1344191790 562963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FreeFull> But uint8_t doesn't have to be equivalent to char, does it? <-- yeah but nothing can be smaller than a char (except a bitfield)
< 1344191807 676735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which obviously still is padded to at least a char)
< 1344191836 670087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX requires it to have no padding?
< 1344191841 550604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't have uint8_t in a C implementation with 9-bit chars?
< 1344191845 898572 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: C99 requires it to have no padding.
< 1344191848 948309 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Right.
< 1344191876 312243 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 9 bit chars you can't have unit16_t and so on either I guess
< 1344191890 880955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have uint18_t but that isn't standard (still allowed iirc)
< 1344191915 995155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, more realistically these days would be a 16 or 32 bit char on a DSP
< 1344191921 344455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 bits chars are dead
< 1344191973 480902 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not standard but it's in reserved namespace, so a libc could provide it sanely.
< 1344191995 424707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uint18_t is "standard" in the sense that it will have all the properties that uint16_t would have. Well, except two more bits, obviously.
< 1344192008 850514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AFAICT no padding is only required for the signed integer types...
< 1344192011 68141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not really, it would have implementation-defined semantics.
< 1344192016 42209 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Other way around.
< 1344192028 918635 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Source.
< 1344192049 428845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Huh? "The typedef name uintN_t designates an unsigned integer type with width N. Thus, uint24_t denotes an unsigned integer type with a width of exactly 24 bits."
< 1344192061 41041 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "The typedef name intN_t designates a signed integer type with width N , no padding bits, and a two’s complement representation."
< 1344192061 551581 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm off.
< 1344192069 118446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There isn't anything special about uint16_t and such except they're required to exist if types like that exist.
< 1344192091 361288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4042
< 1344192097 304607 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh, didn't realise.
< 1344192124 548173 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But irrelevant, because POSIX requires int8_t, int16_t, int32_t to exist.
< 1344192157 98666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, POSIX.1-2001 and later you mean
< 1344192171 720593 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: POSIX-actually-relevant and later, right.
< 1344192183 403415 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what: HTML 1 doesn't have a video tag. But HTML does!
< 1344192195 248085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is HTML without a qualifier here?
< 1344192201 301975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "When typedef names differing only in the absence or presence of the initial u are defined, they shall denote corresponding signed and unsigned types as described in 6.2.5" -- and you can derive from that that there's no padding in uintN_t either.
< 1344192206 547063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML4?
< 1344192212 759653 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck would it be?
< 1344192214 928149 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's old shit.
< 1344192222 43117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I bet HTML4 is still the most common HTML version out there
< 1344192229 599978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the top 100 sites, sure
< 1344192233 659737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but globally
< 1344192245 783461 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Globally, tag soup is the most common HTML version.
< 1344192249 663265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1344192260 79340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of them that claim a version is going to claim HTML4
< 1344192260 825305 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can't really be called HTML4.
< 1344192271 352073 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True but irrelevant.
< 1344192287 525041 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: §6.2.5 requires that corresponding signed/unsigned types have the same amount of padding?
< 1344192341 231439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Each bit that is a value bit shall have the same value as the same bit in the object representation of the corresponding unsigned type", and they have the same width. I'm trying to find out whether there's something that'd prohibit having the sign bit as a padding bit in uintN_t though.
< 1344192344 870186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how is C11 support nowdays
< 1344192350 997706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a GCC status matrix
< 1344192360 204405 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When those things could not be parsed by an actual HTML4 parser, I'm calling it not-HTML4.
< 1344192365 891313 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 is still under development, so it's somewhat reasonable to not consider it in just "HTML".
< 1344192389 796836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, fair enough
< 1344192404 440229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HTML without a qualifier should refer to tag soup
< 1344192416 586563 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344192420 152276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm sad XHTML pretty much died
< 1344192423 596318 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It also happens to be the only spec that describes the behavior web browsers *exhibit*.
< 1344192426 205020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made more sense than HTML5 IMO
< 1344192488 915968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: FWIW, C11 has the "no padding" description explicitly also for uintN_t, and you could argue no matter what C99 exactly says, that is the intention.
< 1344192500 655256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It requires that they take up the same amount of storage, but does that require bit-level accuracy?
< 1344192538 662235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "width of exactly N bits".
< 1344192545 72234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, missed that.
< 1344192564 375082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 also no longer mentions the "corresponding type" thing.)
< 1344192584 613584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a matching POSIX version for C11 yet
< 1344192586 254203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1344192593 653581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder when the next POSIX is due
< 1344192605 941175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 6 years based on the last delay
< 1344192624 407517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1344192625 243462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1344192639 289326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a thread about this with people arguing you can still derive the "no padding" thing, but I can't be bothered to figure it out. At least I'm pretty sure the only bit that could possibly be a padding bit (after applying 6.2.5) in uintN_t is the sign bit in intN_t.
< 1344192645 974499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :comp.lang.c thread, I mean.
< 1344192656 292352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 3 years
< 1344192675 688291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was one of the C11 comment meeting note things.
< 1344192717 974381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344192734 911767 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept there's not a sign bit per se in intN_t.
< 1344192740 939360 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's two's complement)
< 1344192746 412938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure there is.
< 1344192753 710470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the bits is called a sign bit.
< 1344192783 474882 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really called that?
< 1344192786 997570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1344192791 656503 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Well. I guess you can read the sign off of that bit, so.
< 1344192803 122971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For signed integer types, the bits of the object representation shall be divided into three
< 1344192806 157617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups: value bits, padding bits, and the sign bit.
< 1344192816 41465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the sign bit has the value −(2 N ) (two’s complement)
< 1344192829 232416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's -(2^N) after evince copy-paste.)
< 1344192895 498739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, did you see my message the other day?
< 1344193030 629579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Also even in C99, "UINTN_MAX" is defined to be "exactly 2^N - 1", so there's not really any room for padding bits.
< 1344193072 621935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that padding bits are essentially invisible? Of course the _MAX wouldn't be changed.
< 1344193091 499990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but the "width" of the type includes padding bits.
< 1344193102 322139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if your width is N, you have to spend all N bits as value bits.
< 1344193108 590928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I get in trouble if I learn the C from 1978?
< 1344193125 816690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not.
< 1344193148 471343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to remember the definitions of commonplace words here.
< 1344193152 444299 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344193177 354797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, here's the defect report which added "no padding" for unsigned types too: http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_269.htm
< 1344193270 997854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the committee found it too much trouble to change the second bullet
< 1344193335 337835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they fixed it in C11.
< 1344193375 742228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly obvious from the document why they didn't stick that change in the Technical Corrigendum already.
< 1344193407 61549 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it wasn't a corrigendum as such.
< 1344193414 422628 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. it didn't fix anything, it just clarified.
< 1344193463 745077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existing text is the sort of "can be derived" about which otherwise sensible people can argue for hours, though, and that's something that I think could have been "fixed".
< 1344193509 586288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that sentence didn't really parse for me
< 1344193511 528884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I guess they want to keep their TCs as small as possible.
< 1344193530 952615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for why they want to do that, beats me.
< 1344193553 228603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe compiler writers are contractually obligated to actually read those, and they don't want to bother them.
< 1344193558 65291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently Zoe Smith set a new British record for lifting 121 telegrams!
< 1344193582 120893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What message what other day?
< 1344193599 609400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude.Generalize.choice is the same as Data.Foldable.asum
< 1344193603 530921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I'm sure the one-line diff right next to the other diff would've been a huge mental overload on the compiler writers.
< 1344193607 303397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, I ahve read that.
< 1344193609 588996 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which the former already exports
< 1344193624 869206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1344193638 679267 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only one who uses Prelude.Generalize...
< 1344193643 262073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASA's "Curiosity" is landing in ten and a half hours, incidentally; let's hope they haven't mixed up imperial and metric units this time.
< 1344193647 371501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do too
< 1344193653 913748 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you made it
< 1344193656 930068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not that one, but enough of those
< 1344193660 949613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1344193682 763353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"många bäckar små gör en stor å" (you guys had to learn Swedish idioms in school right?)
< 1344193712 801924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the one about breaking a camel's back that I think is more global.
< 1344193716 776388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what does that mean?
< 1344193726 50036 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they have that many defect reports with clarification opportunities.
< 1344193728 216973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straw that broke the camel's back.
< 1344193737 719780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, a rough translation is "many small streams make a large river"
< 1344193739 486096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, we use that here. Origin of phrase "final straw" or "last straw"
< 1344193748 891202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't the same
< 1344193767 199023 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, working together is good?
< 1344193770 320932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or evil?
< 1344193777 371841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be both ways
< 1344193783 62211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context
< 1344193830 440189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the "final straw" thing in Sweden is "droppen som fick bägaren att rinna över" (meaning "the drop that made the cup overflow"
< 1344193834 517640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1344193843 512416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I saw, at the Wikipedia article about the camel.
< 1344193847 88164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1344193862 395522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though google translate thinks bägare means beaker
< 1344193865 866986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could mean that too
< 1344193868 598876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1344193889 85855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think the camel one sounds more appropriate in this context; I imagine a poor MSVC developer which reads the interminable TC, reaches this particular correction, finally goes mad (well, madder; it's a MSVC developer) and goes on to shoot up his colleagues.
< 1344193928 949902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, all the phrase "många bäckar små gör en stor å" really means is that many small contributions that are in themselves insignificant can have a huge impact
< 1344193952 134407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be used both in a context indicating that is bad, or where that is good
< 1344193960 735544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of an avalanche?
< 1344193965 851596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, we do that one in Finnish, too.
< 1344193974 607537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With a pretty literal translation.
< 1344193977 230213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1344193997 672583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dude MSVC don't care about C99 :P
< 1344193999 976563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything later
< 1344194012 231622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked C89 was the last supported C version in MSVC
< 1344194040 102088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they only care about C++11 and such.
< 1344194046 61879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1344194055 899181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our primary goal is to support "most of C99/C11 that is a subset of ISO C++98/C++11.
< 1344194059 410960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not plan to support ISO C features that are not part of either C90 or ISO C++."
< 1344194156 142731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344194159 247826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We recommend that C developers use the C++ compiler to compile C code. This is the best choice for using Visual C++ to compile C code."
< 1344194166 637508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1344194175 796389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that breaks a lot of C code
< 1344194189 505037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int new = old + this;
< 1344194199 312510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want "real C", they've got that C90 compiler for you, though.
< 1344194207 678490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work on C99
< 1344194249 133794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a disc with Microsoft Visual Basic 2005 on it, which I keep in my shorts draw
< 1344194252 458518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you really need either of the following: features in C95/C99/C11 that are not part of ISO C++; or features in C that are in the C++ subset but without also enabling the writing of C++ code; then we recommend that you consider using a different compiler such as Intel or gcc (short-term) and/or pressure your standards committee representatives to have ISO C++ include more of the C standard ...
< 1344194258 929575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... (longer-term)."
< 1344194261 119806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have two pairs of shorts, I'm not sure why I need a shorts draw
< 1344194267 346469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wear shorts about once a year
< 1344194273 226145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to compile a C code, use the GNU compiler or something else
< 1344194280 4290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm planning to make Tuesday
< 1344194295 349870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did your JIT compile with MSVC?
< 1344194303 841434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not exactly clear why pressuring your standards committee representatives helps if you don't want to enable C++ mode.)
< 1344194317 538700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where does it say that?
< 1344194345 577283 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1344194350 194677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> I wear shorts about once a year <-- why?
< 1344194350 382492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mentioned as the long-term solution "If you really need -- features in C that are in the C++ subset but without also enabling the writing of C++ code".
< 1344194364 471502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, don't like shorts. I have hairy legs.
< 1344194372 107137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1344194374 785080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I
< 1344194379 682058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I have to wear shorts
< 1344194387 127897 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really do not like shorts
< 1344194394 354442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1344194407 181164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 1) do you have to wear them 2) do you not like them
< 1344194410 688864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm too used to trousers?
< 1344194419 728917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, next Tuesday is for cosplay purposes
< 1344194427 174611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes my parents make me
< 1344194439 641431 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just don't like them
< 1344194445 432277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have convertible trousers btw from Fjällräven. There are zippers going around them just above the knees, so you can in about a minute convert between full length and shorts
< 1344194446 871575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very neat
< 1344194455 355487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of pockets too
< 1344194478 525624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to have some
< 1344194481 622402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very durable, as usual for Fjällräven (that brand focuses on people out in nature a lot)
< 1344194489 552501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Was that last "them" your parents, or shorts? 
< 1344194501 423955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, shorts
< 1344194501 611584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%A4llr%C3%A4ven
< 1344194522 10613 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I want pockets, I wear a jacket
< 1344194558 89654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have regular non-convertible shorts today though
< 1344194566 952867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344194573 750231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really get warm enough to wear shorts here
< 1344194580 427082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on you are in UK
< 1344194582 373509 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Britain's summer temperatures are awful
< 1344194586 795604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is way more southern than Sweden
< 1344194612 833279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's not just about latitude.
< 1344194617 677577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Today's temperature peaked at about 22 C
< 1344194622 854097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect for shorts
< 1344194630 670885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 21 C even
< 1344194639 389597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't claim that is too cold for shorts
< 1344194645 403406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344194659 188306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 411?
< 1344194665 437472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm making excuses
< 1344194669 393763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, a number
< 1344194674 767511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :407 + 4
< 1344194681 298420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wear shorts either, even though climate here is pretty close to Sweden.
< 1344194683 631826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A.
< 1344194684 144455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :406+5
< 1344194687 30742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More or less.)
< 1344194693 325017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A telephone number for information
< 1344194705 860091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1344194714 830199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in... Switzerland, right?
< 1344194722 833489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that in the states.
< 1344194728 766361 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think many of us will have access to that number
< 1344194739 393434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have way more lakes, surely you have more mosquitos?
< 1344194781 936936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything, it is a US telephone number, yes.
< 1344194785 554674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure if that qualifies as "climate", especially when it comes to basic stuff like temperature. But probably, yes.
< 1344194798 476034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :give someone the 411 on something
< 1344194804 962511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it qualifies when it comes to leg protection from said insects
< 1344194806 239212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :American Slang I guess.
< 1344194820 498620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with drugs, I think?
< 1344194825 901009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I always understood that the mid-southern part of Finland was pretty much a fractal pattern of forest and lakes
< 1344194828 121478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct
< 1344194856 912213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's also a subsampling format. You can have YUV411, though things like YUV422 (or is that 420?) are more popular, I guess.
< 1344194879 543161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that determine how many bits each field has?
< 1344194879 842992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a scene in family guy.
< 1344194887 996006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yo did y'all check me when that hottie was all up in my
< 1344194888 183811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolade, yeah I was looking to break off a little 
< 1344194888 183926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something but my crew gave me the 411 on that skank
< 1344194888 843303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that she's all about the bleng bleng."
< 1344194936 680428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I guess assembly is over now, how was it this year?
< 1344194989 853477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a relative sampling rate thing. 4:1:1, meaning U/V get sampled one quarter as often as Y. (Or Y four times as often as U/V, equivalently.)
< 1344194999 204089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1344195005 136154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Y now again
< 1344195009 263645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luminance.
< 1344195013 542311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second scene in which Chris is talking ghetto style I don't understand a word :(
< 1344195017 649870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U/V are the two chroma components.
< 1344195020 414988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1344195033 3575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which represent what in this case? I don't remember
< 1344195038 379065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue and red?
< 1344195052 346028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> NASA's "Curiosity" is landing in ten and a half hours, [...] <-- that late? i was wondering if it had already happened...
< 1344195259 548090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not exactly very easy to say, but with U=0, the V axis goes from cyan (negative) to red (positive), and with V=0 the U axis goes from a greenish thing (negative) to violet (positive).
< 1344195290 987234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1344195298 71966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes, the lake thing is correct for a suitable value of "mid-southern". The coast areas aren't that lakey.
< 1344195299 837322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty strange
< 1344195423 256621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 59/88
< 1344195424 763305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.6704545454545454
< 1344195478 719119 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it pine forest?
< 1344195491 283605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trees with proper leaves?
< 1344195498 842181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mixed?
< 1344195659 669315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is lambdabot written in?
< 1344195677 487666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is Haskell
< 1344195715 361677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell isn't very esoteric
< 1344195718 532578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does that ratio signify
< 1344195724 571470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the bot is also in #haskell though
< 1344195750 142231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also EgoBot pertain to esolangs but they are not written in them
< 1344195753 396150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, there's a reasonable amount of birch and such. The mixture ratios change as you go northwards, though.
< 1344195753 584177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough birch to make those things that we use to whip ourselves in the sauna, at least. :p
< 1344195755 952883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is just cool
< 1344195779 80475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use willow
< 1344195781 948336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, surely it go back to birch even further to the north?
< 1344195795 93021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also birch is terrible.
< 1344195801 905486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to allergy
< 1344195817 793087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hazel
< 1344195832 643921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess hazel would be bad for allergic people
< 1344195835 935277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Willow migth be too
< 1344195838 892965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem with hazel personally
< 1344195843 252397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just birch
< 1344195843 749609 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :might*
< 1344195857 115732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway why would you whip yourself in a sauna
< 1344195861 67640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very strange
< 1344195865 670271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose, but the lake concentration also falls before that. And there's a different kind of birch up north. I don't know the English names.
< 1344195873 816540 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1344195889 466850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I thought they were the same genetically? 
< 1344195891 507283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_sauna#Finnish_sauna_customs "Occasionally one uses leafy, fragrant boughs of silver birch called vihta in West Finland and vasta in East Finland to gently beat oneself. This has a relaxing effect on the muscles and also helps in calming the effects of mosquito bites."
< 1344195892 312904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a picture tool
< 1344195907 41779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, The smaller size being a pure environmental thingy
< 1344195958 463943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the thing, not a person using it.
< 1344195958 977358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I have a light birch pollen allergy too, but not enough to be really annoying.)
< 1344195975 172288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could be.
< 1344195981 487796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a different Finnish name.
< 1344195998 909919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course those were given long before genetics.
< 1344196031 428150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "It is usually considered especially rude to swear in sauna, even in company that does not usually shy on swearing." really?
< 1344196044 543461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't noticed that. :p
< 1344196056 253670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could be true somewhere.
< 1344196060 650924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1344196071 337325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :add citation needed then
< 1344196194 337673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hear terribly much swearing anywhere, so I probably wouldn't have noticed.
< 1344196203 602949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Foreign visitors to Finland often get invited into the sauna. This may even happen after business negotiations and other such events. On these occasions it may be acceptable to refuse, although it may not impress one's Finnish hosts. Such an invitation in a business setting may indicate that the negotiations have gone well and a joint business effort is anticipated." <-- really?
< 1344196228 211084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that whole section on the wiki sounds so weird
< 1344196240 722986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the first sentence at least is true as far as I know.
< 1344196248 749685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of that quote?
< 1344196252 831298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1344196254 822966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1344196271 731206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the second too, I believe, though I haven't been part of real business negotiations ever.
< 1344196277 132130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, every country try to fool foreign people into trying dubious local customs
< 1344196285 470852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's always acceptable to refuse, though.
< 1344196318 639232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we have saunas in Sweden too (called "bastu") but we don't go so absurd about them
< 1344196322 649939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I don't like them
< 1344196364 49673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344196371 207702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I believe it was https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow.
< 1344196386 575018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is mcmap alive?
< 1344196401 112333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh. That is to say... ask fizzie?
< 1344196408 127693 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is mcmap alive?
< 1344196413 72033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mercury's day / mercury's year, see today's iwc annotation
< 1344196425 214975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realised "fizzie" is shorter than "elliott"
< 1344196438 441211 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ski! D:
< 1344196442 914311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm?
< 1344196451 499519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been reading IWC regularly since it ended
< 1344196457 164798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm just about to go to bed
< 1344196458 102156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eh
< 1344196473 817636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still get the RSS :)
< 1344196486 447958 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way it'll be fully compatible with the latest MC, but it might just be a matter of adding new block types.
< 1344196497 197975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it will almost certainly be more involved than that
< 1344196503 246260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they've changed the map layout since then
< 1344196530 246788 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will be... difficult.
< 1344196534 87166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 1.3 out?
< 1344196534 731109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1344196546 935852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From MCRegion to Anvil
< 1344196559 855760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in 12w07a
< 1344196566 564123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then 1.2
< 1344196569 454058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a format anvil is actually pretty reasonable mostly
< 1344196573 299370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some of the old ones
< 1344196578 978852 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah you're probably going to have to rewrite it.
< 1344196583 738732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also be a bit surprised if someone would actually consider "willingness to go to sauna with me" a relevant criterion when making a business deal.
< 1344196610 358506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone wants to go to the sauna with fizzie.
< 1344196622 324402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone.
< 1344196623 4036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not rewrite
< 1344196630 883974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um?
< 1344196635 361824 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A6B5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344196641 41156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie, what's it written in?
< 1344196649 655335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the map has changed format completely that entire part of it will need reworking.
< 1344196652 18960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: C
< 1344196652 263404 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, C.
< 1344196654 881142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1344196658 547892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how much do you know about the mcmap source
< 1344196667 902516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's a language I meant to learn at some point
< 1344196670 166655 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK sorry.
< 1344196674 263182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically where do you get the impression the map format parser is a sufficiently large portion of the code that you'd need to rewrite mcmap
< 1344196684 360958 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/the entire map handling code/
< 1344196684 958889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's abstracted enough that that would not be necessary at all, probably the changes would be localised to a few files
< 1344196688 472335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was bad wording, I admit.
< 1344196690 514762 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCRegion and Anvil are quite similar, too
< 1344196696 227842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even go as far as to say that it would be slightly unprofessional.
< 1344196698 443404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem would be the larger maps
< 1344196729 187477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I seem to be very lagged here. Like five minutes late, judging from what fungot sees.)
< 1344196730 717849 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: simon, saint, fnord on the evening of may 14, 1908, to indicate to the public safety suffers any detriment, the state of feeling with regard to such the demands of the people at large, or from one race of men living in that village in more than, two years. this is the way in which lord bacon thus describes the logomachies of the schoolmen. and of a large part of our fnord but i cannot just now touch it. it is this tempe
< 1344196779 294976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell fizzie to communicate USING THE POWER OF FUNGOT
< 1344196781 201247 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: after a due interval the wines began to come in; and the volume never appeared. an ancient writer, plutarch, i think, the argument against mr bentham's doctrine is as strong as any sober man would allow himself to use concerning locke or bacon. the westminster reviewer we have quoted from dryden the case is widely different. their connection was close enough to allow of mutual observation and improvement, of the illustra
< 1344196793 852071 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1344196794 554475 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the purpose of turning out and keeping out the whigs. i also wish to thank mr bentham for undertaking his defence, insisted that no speech or motion which he had already begun to operate. who can be more true. barere was, like chloe, false and fickle as he was eleven years ago.
< 1344196802 520039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1344196802 707833 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube
< 1344196806 325649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, now everything came flooding in.
< 1344196810 960236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was odd
< 1344196816 572253 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possible glitch
< 1344196829 966208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also took a look at the new map format once, and the related mcmap changes seemed not terribly impossible, but there was certainly some work involved. I'd be more interested to do it if I actually played any Minecraft.
< 1344196869 864689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I forget, did you use it after elliott added mob and item tracking?
< 1344196877 96558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think so
< 1344196878 344121 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because those were awesome.
< 1344196891 672159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal <Vorpal> haven't been reading IWC regularly since it ended <-- oh, there are still annotations (almost) every sunday, big ones.  also he adds extra background comments to the currently rerun comics
< 1344196892 284163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344196939 365296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a minecraft clone in Assembly gamedev, except you crafted a spaceship, put in thrusters and whatevers, bound keys to them, and then went on and flew the thing.
< 1344197021 212023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal (Not annotations of anything in particular.)
< 1344197021 926618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197079 355353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god
< 1344197084 410249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're singing Black Eyed PEas
< 1344197086 735898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know
< 1344197087 681060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1344197089 121259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Yeah the new Sunday stuff is more like a popular science blog
< 1344197089 717932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197094 172815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :P
< 1344197102 283412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1344197103 194833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3m 31s ago: <Vorpal> haven't been reading IWC regularly since it ended <-- oh, there are still annotations (almost) every sunday, big ones. also he adds extra background comments to the
< 1344197103 382777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently rerun comics
< 1344197103 382991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1m 21s ago: (Not annotations of anything in particular.)
< 1344197103 383100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 13s ago: Yeah the new Sunday stuff is more like a popular science blog
< 1344197104 263365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal it's got art and culture stuff too, a bit
< 1344197104 759805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197114 691035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny
< 1344197115 405432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344197118 196893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1344197118 913683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 14s ago: it's got art and culture stuff too, a bit
< 1344197125 493307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, they've switched to Queen
< 1344197134 570516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're the US!
< 1344197138 364439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen's British!
< 1344197156 120811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I said I didn't read it regularly
< 1344197160 422281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I didn't read it at all
< 1344197187 828316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal HELLO
< 1344197188 583770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197191 289372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal WHAT'S UP ?: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??  ?
< 1344197192 35342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197194 566281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal ARE YOU HAVING A NICE DAY
< 1344197195 185113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197199 315480 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: However, Queen is well-liked in the US.
< 1344197203 545814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott You are being a jerk now
< 1344197204 332219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1344197204 520060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197208 691533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the point!
< 1344197212 206381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the OLYMPICS!
< 1344197219 633910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Should I ban him?
< 1344197220 298735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197233 130307 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fundamental property of US culture is it's the amalgamation of everyone else's.
< 1344197243 540485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Can I save that for a time when he is more annoying?
< 1344197244 154310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197264 952164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal JOKE'S ON OERJAN I JUST /PART ALL THE TIME ANYWAY
< 1344197265 861504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197272 530750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ASK VORPAL I CANNOT BE STOPPED??? ? ?
< 1344197273 146317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1344197275 400144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@HELP
< 1344197276 258705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1344197278 510902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1344197279 406396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
< 1344197281 421034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal MAYBE
< 1344197281 749833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks
< 1344197281 982532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197282 518149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome
< 1344197286 814680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1344197287 696005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344197288 695131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not expecting that
< 1344197291 932609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages???
< 1344197292 708592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344197293 55667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's the british culture! Freddy Mercury was born in Zanzibar!
< 1344197300 917453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1344197301 730127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1344197303 538997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Indeed you part, but I'll use it at some point you don't want to part.
< 1344197303 726754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHER,S MY MESAGES
< 1344197304 148660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197304 361229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344197310 727667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I ALWAYS WANT TO PART
< 1344197311 483074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197317 749201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1344197318 552564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2m 10s ago: HELLO
< 1344197318 740652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2m 7s ago: WHAT'S UP ?: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?
< 1344197318 740923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2m 4s ago: ARE YOU HAVING A NICE DAY
< 1344197318 741038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1m 39s ago: Should I ban him?
< 1344197318 741148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 53s ago: JOKE'S ON OERJAN I JUST /PART ALL THE TIME ANYWAY
< 1344197320 539098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 37s ago: MAYBE
< 1344197321 972082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1344197322 480734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 8s ago: I ALWAYS WANT TO PART
< 1344197335 255493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :highlight spam
< 1344197338 291694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/part every day?
< 1344197346 400164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO THAT IS BLACK EYED PEAS
< 1344197465 937106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Black Eyed Peas
< 1344197466 402755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAN LOVET MEG EN RING I ZANZIBAR; MEN ZANZIBAR, HVOR ER NÅ DET?
< 1344197467 165011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344197472 217686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1344197472 865423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal said 3m 49s ago: Can I save that for a time when he is more annoying?
< 1344197491 936992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, lyrics?
< 1344197546 830976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell SuperTod Nobody even knows who you are here! But I do! This is probably a long time ago!
< 1344197547 174737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1344197572 535333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The odds of SuperTod ever joining a channel with lambdabot in it are slim
< 1344197587 715513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The odds of him even being on IRC at any given time are pretty slim, too
< 1344197589 611840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, some 1960's or so norwegian hit
< 1344197599 590532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1344197635 630378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm being a norwegian hit, there's a significant chance it's translated
< 1344197659 696049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :from English?
< 1344197741 300813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whereever.  hm that 1960 link was a bad one, maybe it's even older
< 1344197855 767789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was 1960, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4cgYJH1WHo&feature=related
< 1344197875 692055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at your own risk)
< 1344197940 597992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god that's cheesy
< 1344198032 533748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, accordion)
< 1344198265 795595 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE ACCORDION
< 1344198266 911624 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click*
< 1344198280 160618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. Gregor 
< 1344198333 246956 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs moar… something.
< 1344198354 982763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukulele, perhaps?
< 1344198355 427907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all,,,,,,,“Finns” who,,,,,,,,,enjoy “grammar”: https://www.facebook.com/pages/105-kunnian-P%C3%A4iv%C3%A4%C3%A4-Talvisodan-Sankareille/172253096132410
< 1344198370 12297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right, you also asked about Assembly. Well... the 1k was nice (even if ~all the entries were one effect wonders, understandably), and the 4k/demo quality was sort of generally good, but there was nothing sort of amazingly outstanding like there has been in other years. (Perhaps because ASD didn't compete.)
< 1344198455 866265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1k is so bloated.
< 1344198459 834046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 bytes: the ideal??
< 1344198469 691428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been a few 256b compos, I think.
< 1344198474 971435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With no DOS calls, naturally.)
< 1344198479 611301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can use it as a boot sector.)
< 1344198500 730903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pouet has size categories 32b, 64b, 128b, 256b, 512b, 1k, 4k, and so on.
< 1344198511 885276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 32b ones are a bit silly.
< 1344198529 267542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 entries in the 32b category.
< 1344198541 984869 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, you can’t fit a lot into 4 bytes.
< 1344198556 614911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's a lowercase b for bytes. :p
< 1344198594 672489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, 25 was just first page; there's six pages.
< 1344198625 281306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are 16-byte entries, though.
< 1344198661 964618 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkV6hX66HO0 It is missing being this.
< 1344198899 316445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1344199035 52677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344199061 582602 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344199069 115924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What computers are these being targeting?
< 1344199073 921347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what programs are they?
< 1344199079 519725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, the IRC<->Jabber bridge in #tcl keeps tricking me into thinking people are talking
< 1344199106 513812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1344199146 302552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.
< 1344199146 538945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Use this simple algorithm to determine instead: Has anyone talked in #tcl? -> No
< 1344199146 840836 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1344199181 138380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, #tcl is actually rather active sometimes
< 1344199210 841893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Hey now, you'll summon THE STAFF.
< 1344199221 896440 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean at this time though, PH
< 1344199224 20162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops
< 1344199252 711627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is a CTCP
< 1344199260 249256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had absolutely no idea what an IRC <-> Jabber bridge was.
< 1344199261 298323 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have done that in query
< 1344199261 485990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ctcp
< 1344199263 956838 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel does not need another STAFF infection.
< 1344199265 181462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i'm kidding
< 1344199266 642030 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to find out.
< 1344199277 390947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, has that happened before?
< 1344199279 810367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: one time someone made fungot make a ctcp query and some unknown person complained about it to freenode staff for no apparent reason
< 1344199280 915956 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the success which has crowned the efforts to weld into one community the peoples of its two great races. our final halting-place was, by fnord this great law in an essential part in true economy. if it had happened, what hope could we have possibly got on, if our troops had exterminated them all, joining fact with theory, and take hold of another.
< 1344199285 656053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, connects an IRC and a Jabber chatroom
< 1344199286 824719 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +.
< 1344199287 411728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jabber is a different messaging protocol
< 1344199289 296536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.
< 1344199290 390253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they told fizzie to remove it from fungot and then idled in the channel for like months
< 1344199292 576835 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 2. a lofty power of generalisation, both in their rude, broken, fnord way which, if there was such a state unless he had read it with any attention, he means what is fnord called " first fnord because of their aptitude for it, nor the energy of a monarchy, and every bird of prey, and every part of the town, where the place, where were collected together the wisdom, the moderation, and the savage wilderness, to the serp
< 1344199308 90222 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol
< 1344199321 609787 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1344199327 653058 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1344199328 634855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well that doesn't sound annoying at all.
< 1344199345 382971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it speaks outloud when someone on the Jabber side joins or leaves
< 1344199540 981060 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait why was that objectionable again.
< 1344199567 486243 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it something to do with an ancient version of mirc having a potential exploit or something?
< 1344199606 974328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it was that ctcp that made a lot of routers crash
< 1344199610 191663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it was fixed by then i think
< 1344199627 608415 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why is it a problem if bots can be made to do it?
< 1344199630 779212 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DCC 0.0.0.0 0 one?
< 1344199653 537917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely Malicious O'Hackerty is just going to send it by themselves?
< 1344199664 293391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, this is what i said
< 1344199668 896111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: stopkeylog or something
< 1344199672 684075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendkeylog?
< 1344199693 175106 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, overzealous antivirus trigger?
< 1344199755 619947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, yes
< 1344199762 864538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Of course it seems gow has not gotten a release for like 9 months :(
< 1344199855 790217 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1344199885 253456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What was that alternate terminal thing for Windows?
< 1344199937 246700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The 32-byte programs? There's quite a variety of platforms; on the first page, DOS, VIC-20, C64, ZX Spectrum, Atari. Later on there's a Windows entry, though it seems to be a cheat.
< 1344199957 463554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 byte programs?
< 1344199979 602164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's a category at pouet, a demoscene archive/forum/etc. site.
< 1344200042 912150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bytes makes 8^32 possible programs in an ideal world
< 1344200048 611213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 ^ 32 :: Integer
< 1344200049 992660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  79228162514264337593543950336
< 1344200087 252510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... don't you mean 256^32? 
< 1344200099 388514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1344200101 340813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2^(8*32) if you want to say it like that.
< 1344200109 218598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256 ^ 32
< 1344200110 646763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639...
< 1344200124 638012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I meant (2 ^ 8) ^ 32
< 1344200192 315890 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log (256 ^ 32) / log 10
< 1344200193 566405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  77.06367888997917
< 1344200201 5705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256**32
< 1344200202 746682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.157920892373162e77
< 1344200203 637098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easy way.
< 1344200227 376248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of scientific notation
< 1344200243 990696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For personal reasons
< 1344200255 689596 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it confuses me
< 1344200438 720456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was EgoBot or HackEgo, not fungot.
< 1344200439 654141 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an inspection of the constitution, which we would never have attained the distinction of races. fitness is henceforth to be the boswell of the long line of julian nobles. some violent convulsion is expected."
< 1344200454 210191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why fungot still allows ctcp
< 1344200455 275991 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thus juvenal immortalised the obsequious senators who met to decide the question; and proceeds to settle the order of nature, that procured to them a very wise body. in our judicial, we have in a libel, 1st. the object of our journey, and you will find if you search for it.
< 1344200461 190025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1344200461 704350 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome 
< 1344200494 968034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1344200495 558519 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
< 1344200510 738168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ACTION 
< 1344200515 52847 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​78 +++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>>-.++.<+++++++.>++++++.++++++.-.>-.>-. [817]
< 1344200550 888737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see where this is going.
< 1344200561 531613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1344200575 235669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remeber that it has an extra newline after.
< 1344200588 674829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bf_txtgen output, that is.)
< 1344200670 19938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def me bf +.++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>>-.++.<+++++++.>++++++.++++++.-.>-.,[.,]+.
< 1344200670 763655 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1344200675 451692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^me is testing
< 1344200676 141306 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is testing
< 1344200700 100217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that went unreasonably smoothly
< 1344200729 436093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1344200738 858697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^me is on fire
< 1344200739 46408 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on fire
< 1344200757 386899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were saying?
< 1344200786 35053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++>+++<<<-]>>-.++.<+++++++.>++++++.++++++.-.>-.,[.,]+.!is testing
< 1344200786 689622 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is testing
< 1344200788 463611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MANIACS, YOU BLEW IT UP
< 1344200795 834664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def me bf +.++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++>+++<<<-]>>-.++.<+++++++.>++++++.++++++.-.>-.,[.,]+.
< 1344200796 477734 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1344200801 112466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG-optomized.
< 1344200806 518862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1344200818 141772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fourth cell of bf_txtgen was only used for the newline.
< 1344200822 189357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1344200822 510235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which happens almost all the time.
< 1344200827 562459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's so far from the other characters.
< 1344201075 654714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^me feels like a new bot!
< 1344201075 850260 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like a new bot!
< 1344201094 434648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1344201095 232670 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1344201146 416359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in fungespace do bf macros get written?
< 1344201162 663576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1344201163 215049 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1344201198 896166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something seems not to be loading
< 1344201216 786066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's an issue. You can work around it by using IPv6. (Happy to help.)
< 1344201224 427398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1344201287 477227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Somewhere in the negative rows.
< 1344201324 769863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> elliott: it was EgoBot or HackEgo, not fungot.
< 1344201325 767948 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have just described. these schools for both sexes. this, i promise him that, in places where there is no land where paper exists to print on, where it is the scriptural statute of limitations. after that you hang them up to let them season.
< 1344201331 948535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure it is not.
< 1344201341 495432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You were told to fix the CTCP thing, yes/
< 1344201342 512114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1344201363 211396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there any stuff that gets written to columns?
< 1344201388 550844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am pretty sure it was Gregor who was directly accosted, not fizzie 
< 1344201399 369801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, not by anyone official. People on the channel recommended, after all the hulabaloo about some other bot.
< 1344201406 871053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't managed, though.
< 1344201415 855900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1344201418 203799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1344201426 492893 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was the one attacked by the STAFF.
< 1344201444 81899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, so the saved state won't show up in the source link?
< 1344201474 330525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: freenode staff? what was misbehaving?
< 1344201474 541937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's for the best, but still.
< 1344201499 211625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. And it wouldn't, anyway; that's just the version-controlled source. ^save writes a state file (fungot.dat) which is loaded at start time.
< 1344201500 371536 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sympathy, on the whole a good or an evil, which is a model in its kind, is painfully diffuse and languid. the animali parlanti of casti is perfectly intolerable. i admire the dexterity of the plot, and the democracies under its protection. it is plain therefore, that the machine of a free commonwealth, who have seen much of the criticism by which their manner has been fashioned. from outrageous absurdity they are preser
< 1344201516 183886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1344201563 961831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Uh, well. I mean. Of course some columns are involved, too. But there isn't anything for which space would be allocated in "full columns", so to speak. (And the programs aren't exactly full rows either; it's rows < 0 and columns >= 0, so program storage eats up one quadrant.)
< 1344201578 221018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it starts a bit higher up than 0. But anyway.
< 1344201666 208227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes in rows < 0 columns < 0? rows >=0 columns < 0?
< 1344201711 11349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in rows < 0, columns < 0, I think. Very little in columns < 0 at all, except for some isolated rows, like some of the underload interpreter stuff.
< 1344201714 562073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rows > fungot length columns >=0?
< 1344201715 427431 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i will teach you how it should be discovered to be no better than an old fnord with a fnord skill in expressing them. fnord, who in a few hours hence, the grand security for the rights of the people is against them, more from a wish to become intimately acquainted with the general happiness are even now promoting the general happiness to the very life of such an instrument as this to talk about--i do not say there ar
< 1344201728 295426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1344201728 896500 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube
< 1344201741 794069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ought to be an itidus style
< 1344201768 886628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh no, I'm wrong: in fact the stored commands go to rows >= 2000, columns >= 0. Fungot length is assumed to not grow longer. (Though it's an easy change to bump the starting address up a bit.)
< 1344201784 872723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There's something in negative rows, though. Something related to the loop avoidance.
< 1344201831 15280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload stack (on row 9) grows left, starting from column 0.
< 1344201848 264132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mainly because the STRN ops always read left-to-right, so some things were easier that way.)
< 1344201885 340140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current underload program can also grow to columns < 0, I suppose.
< 1344201887 426551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the format of fungot.dat? does it write everything as it's actually oriented in space with some kind of marker for where row 0, column 0 is?
< 1344201887 904252 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: these metaphysic rights entering into common life, are variously mixed and modified, enjoyed in very different accents, fnord by fnord of rights. this circumstance, which is fnord to a ferocious dog. to come into competition with them.
< 1344201936 216450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, things get (manually) serialized. It's a text-based, line-oriented format. It only saves the ^def commands and not much more.
< 1344201945 528535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1344201950 206880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ^ignore string is not saved, for example; another thing on the TODO list.)
< 1344201950 394459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my other guess
< 1344201961 109683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1344201982 496597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it does save the 'str' entries.
< 1344201988 46249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some strange reason.
< 1344202036 586908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 10 first lines are str:0 .. str:9, then come the programs, with command name on one line, implementation language identifier (0 = brainfuck, 1 = underload) on second, and then the body stored in a language-specific way.
< 1344202086 378765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brainfuck programs with the bytecode as one-ascii-number-per-line terminated by a line with a 0, underload programs as just the program text on one line IIRC.)
< 1344202131 258005 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the strange storage method for bf?
< 1344202136 546231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the underload program text as one character (as a decimal number) per line, for some reason.
< 1344202140 477086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is perhaps even stranger.
< 1344202156 619351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1344202161 519056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I wanted to be ready for people embedding strange characters.
< 1344202168 759446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bytecode itself might have newlines, for example.
< 1344202192 654035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++ turns into cells [X][10] where X is some number from 1 to 6 or so.
< 1344202216 101533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, apparently.
< 1344202339 339068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses FILE:G (a fgets, basically) and STRN:V (strtol) to get back to cells.
< 1344202358 423332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to implement, not such an efficient format storage-wise.
< 1344202366 469074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l fungot.dat
< 1344202366 656931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7118 fungot.dat
< 1344202367 830133 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is true or not, the frankness with which i may know to be erroneous, i do not attack the founders of the government, when mr. eng nye, who hadn't any moral sense at all, i never use slang to an interviewer or anybody else concerned had a right to do what we can to have the franchise? all the causes which have created and fostered this spirit, i, for one, a commission in the army, he saw with sorrowful heart the blazi
< 1344202412 880379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344202721 132605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can't really have embedded newlines in underload programs, but it's possible I share the serialization/deserialization code for both program types.)
< 1344202755 373021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1344202762 670281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon
< 1344202763 234074 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
< 1344202905 843456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott must've contributed that style.
< 1344202913 978071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not often used.
< 1344202917 818674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you sound like? 
< 1344202918 763323 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " oh, actually, she said " welcome class of ' em every time that postdates 1982, but
< 1344202922 776753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No.
< 1344202929 174475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just told you to replace the Jargon File one with the UNIX-HATERS one.
< 1344202932 663258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1344202932 964239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you did, and, uh, kept the name.
< 1344202936 532313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1344202944 818414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what "replace" means.
< 1344202952 193828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat
< 1344202953 744355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kind of wondering, though.
< 1344202978 659226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered it wasn't entirely my idea.
< 1344202988 382678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher
< 1344202989 48669 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
< 1344202993 791504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one doesn't get much use either.
< 1344202997 732923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of boring, though.
< 1344203005 667356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say "umm" or something? 
< 1344203006 649946 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it wasn't turkey if i remember correctly
< 1344203031 302076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bit of transcription annotations left in it.
< 1344203096 960699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, too, can own a text about turkeys for just $2000.
< 1344203113 553773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the total asking price for both halves of it.)
< 1344203121 474345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not all about turkeys.)
< 1344203949 92649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344203990 201957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344204536 248014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck is the best
< 1344204536 976804 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1344204542 542640 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.
< 1344204544 971837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck
< 1344204545 696278 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
< 1344204551 218581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1344204551 664816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1344204552 93277 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what, the last one. wait no, that just made you disappear" and stuff.
< 1344204552 281170 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: enter name.
< 1344204718 470761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Zoosmell Pooplord
< 1344204719 11701 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: of what??
< 1344204730 622665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of old Hexham Town, of course
< 1344204731 527809 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you will be taking that crowbar though because that was stupid, so he can just button it happen already. i dont see him, but he had already been a mass grave
< 1344204752 780812 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you're a mass grave!
< 1344204753 689186 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: man. it is just another waste of your talents. t)(ose are your black leanings, much as the moon takes liberty. reason. justice. civility. edification. perfection.
< 1344204789 509626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot is being racist but I'm not sure.
< 1344204790 173572 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your name is john. is that correct??
< 1344204808 518600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP*
< 1344204814 553608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all being revealed
< 1344204878 412842 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh shit, my cover's blown!
< 1344204879 148283 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the modus recognizes the drawing, but there it is, in case he doesn't want you to be my next wild presumption.
< 1344204971 281764 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be the pictionary modus
< 1344205013 792304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. This style also has a "that sword alone can't stop" but I forget what it is.
< 1344205059 305812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What causes you to be stuck in homestuck? 
< 1344205060 60382 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: name one, the powerful electromagnets concealed in his gesture in retrospect. heavy-handed.
< 1344205068 831922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that.
< 1344205108 44669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-173-204.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1344205163 947622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1344205164 486050 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1344205167 277929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64
< 1344205167 727378 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
< 1344205185 108381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is pie?
< 1344205185 968786 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it is often convenient to use dos support" program by mark niggemann, compute!'s second book of vic memory control register b the default position of the dot it is set by sprite-sprite collision interrupt.
< 1344205252 456096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quote some tables, will you? 
< 1344205253 52743 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: registers affected: a, x, y
< 1344205257 677213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1344205770 845483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's pretty much all the registers, really. (Discounting stack and the PC, which probably doesn't count.)
< 1344205771 500565 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this line is last for a total of 200 numbers in the
< 1344205996 633613 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :K-Lined
< 1344206125 150592 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1344206132 247972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's the second time i've seen stanley k-lined
< 1344206150 621299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what evil he's up to
< 1344206415 328098 :mig22!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344206416 535997 :mig22!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344206435 605454 :mig22!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344206603 951925 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :farooq
< 1344206651 179059 :farooq!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1344206973 113086 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13375E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]
< 1344207061 40019 :mig22!~mig@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1344207104 376560 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344207270 192955 :Abdela!~abdela_gg@41.153.174.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344207299 853932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :K-lines of #esoteric, 2010-2012: http://sprunge.us/JABZ
< 1344207356 651285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 2010, eh?
< 1344207368 974532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had those handier.
< 1344207426 881468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the previous ircd might have printed out something different since I see nothing before 2010-05-16.
< 1344207448 122299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to have printed [K-lined] with a lowercase l.
< 1344207513 471613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BIde -- my whole set.
< 1344207520 179849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some change in log formats.
< 1344207560 954851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got k-lined?
< 1344207570 786309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was just an excess flood thing back then.
< 1344207603 381924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-19 15:25:57] < ehird> WTF @ K-LINE
< 1344207626 300818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sent them an email.
< 1344207629 761784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reportedly.
< 1344207640 30234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-19 15:36:04] < ehird> I've sent an email to kline@freenode.net.
< 1344207640 218041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-19 15:36:13] < ehird> Very WTFy.
< 1344207645 422460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-19 15:49:53] ... ehird [n=ehird@eso-std.org] has quit [K-lined]
< 1344207645 610136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-19 15:51:46] < fizzie> Maybe they didn't like his tone in the email.
< 1344207661 551119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1344207664 462116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was annoying back then
< 1344207669 384021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm annoying in better ways
< 1344207740 292876 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344207804 24146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: This thing's bash is 2.03. :(
< 1344207958 238874 :Abdela!~abdela_gg@41.153.174.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H
< 1344207966 513609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abdela: h
< 1344207975 648098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Abdela 
< 1344207988 536203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abdela: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1344207993 22206 :Abdela!~abdela_gg@41.153.174.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sank
< 1344208115 704978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And a version of make from 1999. Ew.
< 1344208147 926905 :augur!~augur@pool-108-3-233-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344208274 717400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Am I annoying in better or worse ways than I used to be?
< 1344208321 412015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also did you see dolio's exciting discoveries on type arithmetic?
< 1344208332 445203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doliorgey's, that is.
< 1344208410 969630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1344208469 367715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not, because it was in #-blah.
< 1344208583 308416 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1344208971 202522 :Abdela!~abdela_gg@41.153.174.233 QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi
< 1344209602 936073 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1344209605 134778 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-146-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1344210580 205425 :augur!~augur@pool-108-3-233-19.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1344210704 616546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\0x40'
< 1344210706 390117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>:
< 1344210706 578022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1344210729 689317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a "nope")
< 1344210881 252254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Go on, then.
< 1344210882 925010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\x40'
< 1344210884 390672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '@'
< 1344210899 253446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1344210906 373409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1344210915 309046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 21<shachaf>21 elliott: Am I annoying in better or worse ways than I used to be?
< 1344210915 497319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21<shachaf>21 elliott: Also did you see dolio's exciting discoveries on type arithmetic?
< 1344210915 497481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<shachaf> doliorgey's, that is.
< 1344210919 371087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the latter two lines.
< 1344210940 376296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GET YOUR COLOUR OUT OF THIS CHANNEL
< 1344210962 562890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DON'T LIKE COLOURED PEOPLE HERE
< 1344210967 39739 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the thingys that render as H for me
< 1344210967 340569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1344210970 631620 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a nice touch"
< 1344210984 178160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://slbkbs.org/doliorgey-exciting.txt
< 1344211052 898034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That link was for elliott. :-(
< 1344211107 602612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that mystified me.
< 1344211113 401735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did?
< 1344211148 761665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text.
< 1344211173 855688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part of it?