< 1344902844 904108 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, looks it < 1344902943 475349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/y53ln/google_testing_a_new_favicon/ < 1344903058 202435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344903385 876182 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE28.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344903920 87970 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1344903978 27152 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new favicon again? < 1344903988 155643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just after we got used to the changed one? < 1344904046 394555 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Google suddenly start being "We have to change stuff, just because" < 1344904057 921266 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when they started changing youtube < 1344904171 691487 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much ado about a frigging favicon. :-P < 1344904216 703954 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, we have to look at it on our tabs! < 1344905198 508362 :augur!~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344905802 529684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1344907615 162250 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/anonymous-proxy.png < 1344907631 497988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off favicons if you don't want them < 1344907650 684025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use favicons < 1344907872 140268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprise < 1344907994 631004 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344908222 444258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1344908230 995484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it is just that you don't want to look at it on the tabs, then remove it from the tabs. < 1344908232 438942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, can astyle re-parenthesise code too? Or is it just indentation? < 1344908533 116770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: favicons are the quickest way to tell what website is in a tab without reading the title < 1344909367 361542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Maybe to you it is. < 1344909368 950077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1344909556 792453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always imagining zzo38 as a person who absorbs text faster than guis < 1344909821 977224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe google realized that having a good looking favicon does not drum up business < 1344909851 264933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having an ugly favicon could perhaps make people think about google more < 1344910317 299291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's discuss that over a nice bottle of hägar the horrible cola. < 1344910360 131070 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see the ugly in the favicon. < 1344910638 378518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You know C++, right? < 1344910671 472069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit. < 1344910690 968693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Is "char *foo" or "char* foo" the common style? IIRC it's the latter for some reason, despite the former being more common in C. < 1344910761 691228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe because declaration-follows-use breaks down in the presence of C++'s references?) < 1344910778 92739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that's the reasoning. < 1344910783 42513 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* foo would make more sense because “char*” is the type… but in fact “char *foo, *bar” gives foo and bar the same type. So the * tends to be attached to the variable. < 1344910787 7509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still evil. < 1344910793 749949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: In C, "char *foo" makes a lot more sense. < 1344910812 330191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++, it still makes more sense, but not quite as much more for the reason elliott mentioned. < 1344910854 442568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, I'm aware of the dispute in C :P < 1344910856 916823 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t really have any statistics about which style people tend to use. < 1344910858 562061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C++ is all weird and stuff. < 1344910880 213646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++? More like Crazy++!!!! < 1344910917 936244 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote C.*arrow < 1344910918 494858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgolden says: pioneers are the ones with arrows in their backs. at least ours will be categorical arrows. < 1344910939 393986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote C\b.*arrow < 1344910940 102166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Zagen, you'll need a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism from the bifunctorial Kleisli category of username-password pairs to a combinatory arrow calculus of php scripts < 1344910944 811889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Artistic Style is ~useless. < 1344910947 475936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bC\b.*arrow < 1344910947 984819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. You untyped fool! < 1344910953 539088 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the quote i’m thinking of was in lambdabot or somewhere else, like bash.org… < 1344910956 974089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure what ion was looking for. < 1344910998 838924 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote C\+\+ < 1344910999 151109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axman6 says: well, if C++ is anything to go by, the next Haskell will have lambdas and easy concurrency! < 1344911008 429968 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote C\+\+.*arrow < 1344911008 947398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1344911070 70166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, astyle can't turn "return (foo);" into "return foo;". < 1344911074 320926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a decent C++ reformatter? < 1344911085 966427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344911090 513874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think his rate is rather high. < 1344911092 173673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want something brutal. I don't care if it destroys all manual alignments or whatever. < 1344911112 499156 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-52.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344911185 633909 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All code should be stored as a representation of the AST with some formatting hints. Editors and viewers would then be able to format it according to the capabilities of the display media and the preferences of the user. < 1344911211 676452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Brilliant! < 1344911215 860346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Thank you; that solves my immediate problem. < 1344911216 686540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now just implement it in a way that works. < 1344911225 899325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the easy part, though. < 1344911233 809782 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You’re welcome. < 1344911242 513895 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You’re welliott. < 1344911254 923337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Thanks! < 1344911258 743581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You should play some Crawl for my amusement. Did you hear there's a new server?!?!?! < 1344911265 204951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW SERVER?! < 1344911271 287842 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t. < 1344911273 260314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told to leave ##crawl and never come back by elliott. < 1344911277 94760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't hear the news anymore, < 1344911294 919879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people obey elliott? < 1344911301 613519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: monqy said it too. < 1344911307 889212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (I didn't actually say that.) < 1344911313 994334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You said something similar. < 1344911316 249723 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obey elliott. Olliott. < 1344911324 982617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "just go away" or something. < 1344911326 526439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: See ??cszo. < 1344911330 790739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :??cszo < 1344911331 613598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. monqy is of course the utmost authority. < 1344911335 631828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE YOU, CRAWLBOT < 1344911351 845176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl, crawl, crawl your bot gently down the stream... < 1344911359 219850 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the name of the bot again? I thought it was Henzell, but apparently not. < 1344911367 622020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gretell? < 1344911401 659568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It was. < 1344911408 95961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: CAO is down for a while, so it's Wenzell for now. < 1344911420 748342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The CßO bot is Sizzell.) < 1344911430 405795 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344911449 398134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CßO? < 1344911450 708584 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means i could start a third simultaneous Crawl game that will rot there for months without me finishing it. < 1344911456 888850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer CβO < 1344911485 24560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you read _Three Men in a Boat_? < 1344911518 560855 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we really arguing about which eszett is better? < 1344911527 30812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's not an eszett. < 1344911534 514418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's beta than an eszett. < 1344911540 640368 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344911544 326287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much beta. < 1344911562 699903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You should play a combo that isn't boring so I can be entertained. < 1344911568 975378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I looked up the codepoint for β. I should've known it by heart. :-( < 1344911576 608753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How 'bout watching me play NetHack? < 1344911582 272493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll pass. < 1344911595 411545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = exciting! < 1344911609 251533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll play Tou Wiz Elf Law < 1344911620 251953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remember the codepoints for λ and π offhand. < 1344911630 217654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the Greek letters < 1344911630 363859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Alpha is 3b1, so beta is 3b2. < 1344911632 114401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lower-case.) < 1344911639 95181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 2200 is forall and 2203 is exists. < 1344911642 588324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2208 is QED? < 1344911649 887761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's \in < 1344911654 252733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :220E is QED < 1344911662 255390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, ion plays boring combos. < 1344911668 909330 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any codepoints offhand < 1344911675 668242 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a few randoms in ASCII < 1344911677 539886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA0 is Reddit eye. < 1344911680 124607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I shouldn't speak since a fair number of my games are boring combos since I stopped playing Crawl and started playing ##crawl after a while. < 1344911696 224006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is with coppro  < 1344911713 514565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hey, I need a C++ reformatter. < 1344911716 875465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, what's UPWARD INDEX POINTING FINGER THING? < 1344911719 669192 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go work on clang-indent < 1344911725 86160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs through memory. < 1344911738 769720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Does it work today? < 1344911741 415245 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344911747 273441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Okay. Next option. < 1344911758 504763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be right next to UPWARD MIDDLE POINTING FINGER THING right? < 1344911761 927891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 3D01... < 1344911767 674850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up. < 1344911774 863534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :261D < 1344911778 524688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough! < 1344911823 886420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :225F EQUAL TO--OR IS IT [≟] < 1344912183 531659 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems another stylesheet change by Google has fixed https://plus.google.com/109925364564856140495/posts < 1344912227 194181 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ≟ in there? You should post it. < 1344912352 936762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Hooray! < 1344912420 749705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You used to use 3-space indents, right? < 1344912478 341539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi space indents or bust! < 1344912545 911617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are currently 412 options and minimal documentation. < 1344912546 57682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try UniversalIndentGUI and good luck." < 1344912574 494551 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344912607 346436 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344912795 536852 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-52.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1344912967 435994 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1344912976 729284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1344912989 408288 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1344914067 559732 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344916019 188999 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344918126 154999 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344919077 939849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What was that dumb pathology wrt. sizeof? < 1344919087 502233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauk'e thing? < 1344919089 44122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that made "sizeof (foo)" correct. < 1344919095 44292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite that being disgusting. < 1344919109 305332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sizeof (foo)" as opposed to "sizeof(foo)"? < 1344919129 708752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "sizeof foo" for values and "sizeof (Foo)" for types, I guess. < 1344919129 972893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344919140 730645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/sizeof.c < 1344919156 854255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Ugh. < 1344919159 19488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just think of it as a little bit of Haskell inside the big scary world of C. < 1344919184 994298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeOf (unsafePerformIO (readIORef ioRefToInt)) < 1344919224 820654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used uncrustify? < 1344919305 390289 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at sizeof.c < 1344919402 771735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(0)["abcdefghij"]; < 1344919410 785606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most roundabout way of doing sizeof(char) ? < 1344919430 982702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's sizeof ((0)["abcdejojgpshjesgjoretjg"]). < 1344919475 501371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just do (0)[""] < 1344919502 20947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that valid? < 1344919506 60677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1344919508 471626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know expressions inside sizeof are kind of restricted. < 1344919515 274550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure ""[0] will fly even then. < 1344919515 508227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-strings are null-terminated < 1344919518 312092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. < 1344919521 181799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid C. < 1344919649 106832 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it allows you to do stuff like while(*(string++)){} < 1344919700 199492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sizeof (""[1]) is also valid? < 1344919728 443182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof (""[1])); < 1344919733 106802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Would be just as valid, but as a principle you shouldn't read from past the end of a string < 1344919733 259594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: &""[1] is OK. < 1344919734 650902 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1344919737 64262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ""[1] isn't. < 1344919739 255893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I said valid, not compiles. < 1344919742 805923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Uh, no. < 1344919751 289142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: int main() { return ""[1]; } is invalid C code. < 1344919753 262895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, but sizeof is sort of in between. < 1344919762 711875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, ignore that char != int there. < 1344919763 439386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it doesn't actually evaluate the expression ""[1]. < 1344919773 297969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { char *s = &""[1]; return 0; } /* this is OK, though */ < 1344919779 225757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { char *s = &""[2]; return 0; } /* this is invalid */ < 1344919780 32313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can take that expression and &, maybe you can sizeof it too. < 1344919781 560931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Undefined, but a compiler won't error on it < 1344919789 763187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION not quite a C lawyer. < 1344919789 952241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be shot for contemplating writing the following Prolog code for use with DCG syntax?: get(A, A, A). put(A, _, A). < 1344919792 98721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't think you understand what "valid" means. < 1344919808 344251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think sizeof(""[1]) might actually be valid, yes... sizeof is very strange. < 1344919808 530151 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof() is evaluated during compilation < 1344919825 624451 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gets replaced with a constant < 1344919838 153882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether a random compiler will accept a piece of C code doesn't say anything about whether it's valid C or not; it's very difficult (impossible?) to mechanically check for valid C anyway.) < 1344919846 333568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this is a question of standards, not compilers, anyway.) < 1344919895 674354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible, I'd be pretty confident. < 1344919930 693440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for a constant string like that the compiler can easily check in this case < 1344919933 447313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. Because you're not allowed to do ""[2], but you're allowed to do ""[2] in a branch that's never executed, aren't you? < 1344919946 644218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, I was about to say that. < 1344919951 790056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if (function_that_halts_if_unknown_mathematical_theorem_X_is_false()) < 1344919962 106452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unsolved, *hypothesis, blah, it's early < 1344919963 346581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're allowed to say ""[n] < 1344919975 198083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where n = result_of_some_function() < 1344919979 780815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a more realistic situation.) < 1344919984 276561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder if it's something like for(i=0;i "(@karma " ++ x ++ ")") . map concat . sequence $ [["obj","objective"],["","-"],["c"]]) < 1344922440 447514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : objc has a karma of 7 obj-c has a karma of 1 objectivec has a karma of 0 objective-c has a karma of 7 < 1344922445 181012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure. < 1344922453 579253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad people. < 1344922460 488778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing the motivation is "make '^functionname' greppable". < 1344922463 141745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1344922468 836644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't unreasonable motivation. < 1344922474 799653 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1344922478 537023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's similar to the reason for "void\nfoo(...)" < 1344922489 141450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Isn't that what tags are for. :( < 1344922501 905856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no :( < 1344922505 929955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1344922518 192243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1344922527 183795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Speaking of which, I got really confused today grepping through GHC RTS code. < 1344922528 807690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1344922529 399446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are correct you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. No escape either, sorry. < 1344922532 809140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By grepping I mean ack-grepping. < 1344922537 992882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Yes you are correct you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. No escape either, sorry. < 1344922541 222189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ack doesn't search .cmm files by default. < 1344922541 426808 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :855) Yes you are correct you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. No escape either, sorry. < 1344922553 655191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1344922679 267829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack-grep < 1344922694 824560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1344922819 488250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that ack an acknowledgement? < 1344922828 694033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1344922846 716222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Let's say int (*f)(int); < 1344922857 217870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should you call f? f(5) or (*f)(5)? < 1344922870 200624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(5). < 1344922885 342380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But declaration-blah-use. :-( < 1344922908 165175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should be (**f)(5), just to be on the safe side! < 1344922948 116807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "(" ++ repeat "*" ++ "f)(5)" < 1344922949 491270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1344922949 637355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ty... < 1344922955 415909 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, cycle < 1344924307 734612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I port this C++ codebase to Rust? < 1344924321 170403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. (Yes. (No.)) < 1344924333 257245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one do I believe? < 1344924371 864834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((The) innermost) outermost ((one)). < 1344924507 432949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: None of them. < 1344924515 216036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even this one.) < 1344924530 747305 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe this one. < 1344924560 742550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe that one ☝. < 1344924581 590068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep your finger to yourself. < 1344924583 698087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe this one: ☟ < 1344924585 988745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Don't believe any one. < 1344925015 865830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu. < 1344925031 438715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo. < 1344925759 975033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to have values of a recusrive datatype replace by the value operated by a monad, you can do something which resembles it somewhat by continuation monads, it seem like, a little bit. < 1344925798 251017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog doesn't have lambdas, does it? < 1344925798 971341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1344925828 683285 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda prolog does! < 1344925848 118680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't have lambdas, does it? < 1344925870 375446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda C does! < 1344925890 181562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Greek alphabet doesn’t have lambdas, does it? < 1344925910 85617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it does, isn't it? < 1344925928 120651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you may remember incorrectly. < 1344925951 908216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about deltas? < 1344926206 989682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Greek alphabet have deltas too. < 1344926211 924279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1344926330 577088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about omicrons? < 1344926390 335125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are just being silly. < 1344926418 971294 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omicrons are a lie. < 1344926676 348079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you can even make up a kind of multi-continuation by CodensityAsk with some GADT. < 1344926778 344960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lambda Greek alphabet has lambdas. < 1344926854 302397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1344927058 702320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it could also be made as a product of monads. < 1344927545 537288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, make something else by Codensity with some GADT? < 1344927794 369163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats everyone with a digamma -----Ϝ < 1344927967 629812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344928090 932581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not a digamma. that is an F < 1344928122 853282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'Ϝ' < 1344928124 467401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\988' < 1344928182 354969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BUG TO DIFFER < 1344928207 886598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font sucks < 1344928217 392552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps since when can oerjan do unicode < 1344928236 593721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since some months? < 1344928271 520376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can cut and paste it < 1344928434 153450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That digamma looks like an F to me too < 1344928451 464949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charmap does say it's digamma though < 1344928453 345471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's what latin F descended from < 1344928466 343122 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϝ Here is a lowercase digamma < 1344928473 319460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ((grd[you.x_pos][you.y_pos] < DNGN_STONE_STAIRS_UP_I < 1344928473 465556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : || grd[you.x_pos][you.y_pos] > DNGN_ROCK_STAIRS_UP) < 1344928473 465743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : && (grd[you.x_pos][you.y_pos] < DNGN_RETURN_FROM_ORCISH_MINES < 1344928473 465848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : || grd[you.x_pos][you.y_pos] >= 150) < 1344928473 465952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : && grd[you.x_pos][you.y_pos] != DNGN_EXIT_HELL) < 1344928474 352897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, I really need to fix this indentation < 1344928477 166424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks for being my pastebin, #esoteric) < 1344928509 828208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just elliott's subtle way of telling us to go to hell < 1344928570 43489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I need a subtle way to do that < 1344928578 204257 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how zeta is between epsilon and eta < 1344928592 892280 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in latin it's at the end of the alphabet < 1344928617 776489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about fixing it with a between() function? < 1344928684 548157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's an ||, not an && < 1344928694 655439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, how about fixing it with, y'know, *some* abstraction? < 1344928712 741815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't get paid that much. < 1344928720 729318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I didn't write that bit.) < 1344928735 107060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was complaining more that the reformatter had messed up the alignment, really.) < 1344928745 144556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're using a reformatter? < 1344928765 695247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm pretty sure that this tutorial... isn't so great :/ < 1344928765 841304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344928774 116127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l uncrustify.cfg < 1344928774 261883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :231 uncrustify.cfg < 1344928780 985049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a pretty elaborate reformatter. < 1344928792 392901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote those lines by hand. < 1344928830 205504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure this wine-flavored beverage... < 1344928835 654098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F60E < 1344928839 265977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not an emulator? < 1344928839 413407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that grape. < 1344928845 28930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that/so/ < 1344928855 195224 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1344928986 45591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, ban everyone & go to hell. < 1344928991 737799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See!) < 1344929013 883057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry elliott, i cannot do that. < 1344929028 597529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Have you tried? < 1344929056 960947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1344929060 911304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try. < 1344929066 667605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/op shachaf < 1344929074 944304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ban elliott < 1344929080 653655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's not working. < 1344929122 268058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then how can you be sure? < 1344929153 384341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the power of ... CHEESY REFERENCES < 1344929164 317172 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344929436 365323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1344929479 297897 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1344929771 10931 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344932328 714435 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344932357 538793 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344933744 692985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1344934014 152074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1344936340 217721 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344938090 296469 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1344938096 434297 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344939573 38756 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344939574 220368 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344940299 535695 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1344941689 59974 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344943082 878207 :nortti|!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344943130 204195 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344944121 899957 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5CC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344945302 383163 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344948070 335812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not up to constructing a derivative joke, but "for grape good", "wine users", "sour grapes" < 1344948139 605450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1344948433 532219 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1344948463 578569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should sleep. < 1344948473 211917 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1344948520 704342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "good nichaf" < 1344948522 633972 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did people ever refer to Kaliningrad as Soviet Prussia?" < 1344948526 780014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtiem < 1344948530 84218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Tue Aug 14 05:48:46 2012 < 1344948817 220438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wow, irssi doesn't handle this "Zalgo" thing very well. < 1344948822 983488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. m̸͔̟͖̟̩͎̜̈́ͦ̽̕ͅe̪̟͉̰̼̮̞̳ͨͩ̿ͤr̵̷̼̼̙͎̗̯ͮ́͘ȉ̵̢̟̰̝̻́͊̔̄ͦ̚͠j̖̱͆̓͌̽̃͊̚͜n̟̗ͨ͗̀͝ < 1344948887 146956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singing talent show winner becomes judge on singing talent show several years later. < 1344948942 155270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(singing (talen show winner)) becomes (judge on singing) (talent show) several years later. < 1344949176 626762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several talent show years later. < 1344949182 9615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're very different from regular years.) < 1344949183 754751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m̪̰̬̙̝̂̊͟͝e̺̠͚̳̯̯͚̠͉͒̇̓ͪr͈̠̹̖̩̲̰͔ͧ͟i̿ͥ҉̬̫̺̕j̶͙̭̭̼̰̤͑ͦ̒ͪͬͨ͘ͅn̡̫̣̲̳̘̝̝͗̏̀̚ < 1344949186 878295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :̨̞̟̰ͣ̎͊͘m̴̟̤̬͎̩̺̮̗̑ͧ̑͟ë̫̪͉͚͓͙̗̰́͂͋̌͗r̜͊̓ͥͩ̄̐ī̵̴͓̬̾̏̈́ͫj̷͈̯̤̣͚̏̃ṉ̴̛̹͙̄̃̍ͧ͜ < 1344949189 830008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :̯͓̪̜͙̉ͫ͗̀ͯ̈́̋ͫ͜m̧̠̾͟ȅ̸̠͉͍̗̙͕̩̣ͤ̄ͭ̅͠r̸͙̣̦̫͎͈̩̲͗ͪ̍i̴̟̱͇͖͎̪̮ͣ̅̀̿͐̊̿͠j̣͙̜̃̒͡n̡͚̥̔̑̑ͧͭ̂̍́ < 1344949204 371052 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from WP "[has performed] for Pope Benedict XVI, Oprah Winfrey and Queen Elizabeth II" < 1344949205 923522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that looks like to other people. < 1344949298 480911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it's merijn with lots of boxes with four 0's < 1344949299 789519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found "Texas Honkey-Tonk Cantina" in Estonia < 1344949338 486609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was it an Authentic American Experience? < 1344949443 476141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my home suburb, on the main road are the typical australian shops, but head down the side streets and you enter a very asian world < 1344949455 955535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like a complete outsider there < 1344949479 95943 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: beats me < 1344949487 66711 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have little desire to eat there < 1344949508 59015 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would rightfully all wonder if some scruffy 30yr old wandering about in the middle of the day was selling or seeking drugs < 1344949513 826818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you tell them some American secrets you'd get a discount. < 1344949633 416335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Classic American Diner" in Tampere, Finland, incidentally. < 1344949634 995817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :start eating some chocolate and it probably looks like i've got the munchies < 1344949646 54932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite up to a "Honkey-Tonk" standard though. < 1344949677 415327 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a place actually named honkey-tonk sounds hardcore levels of american < 1344949678 571728 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of iceland's kantrybaer < 1344949724 759971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pardon my filure to use fancy latin-1 symbols) < 1344949725 975373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've decorated the Diner in some sort of fakey-American way. < 1344949750 445326 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin-1? Vade retro! < 1344949757 22201 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and dress like this? http://images.tvrage.com/screencaps/31/6190/206619.jpg < 1344949804 550943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, they had some sort of an uniform, that much I remember; maybe not exactly like that. < 1344949826 504072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres another! http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/3F20/124.jpg < 1344949831 127124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like this: http://www.fonecta.fi/images/stillpics///files/369441.fonecta.client/1240246822148_1_large.jpg < 1344949844 542322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1344949876 877935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a photo that'd show their "paintings", I think there was something about them. < 1344949935 894368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all so low-resolution things. :/ < 1344949966 453992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had photoshopped stuff so that it looks as if they'd have existed for years and years, or something like that. < 1344950001 80738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember some restaurant here which had license plates all over the walls.. and was called captain america's < 1344950093 801595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some sort of a competition that you get your name on the hall-of-fame list if you eat (alone) one of their "Big Tower" burgers; it's got 1020 grams of meat, plus all the other stuff. < 1344950098 269009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I guess is American? < 1344950134 728604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1344950159 688929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been convinced that eating comically oversized burgers designed to give you heart problems is an american tradition < 1344950257 217723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of my old coworker's ex-wife, when she was in the us she supposedly got a diploma for eating "the world's hottest burger" < 1344950302 139404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she also had the habit of making food so spicy they had to throw it away) < 1344950355 729616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a chili sauce with the brand name "PAIN 100%" advertised in the shop yesterday. < 1344950409 177548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scorchio.co.uk/pain-sauce-p-433.html <- this one. < 1344950422 248887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's very high up in any rankings or anything, but at least it tries. < 1344950424 40874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42:24: lol < 1344950424 186957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:46:54: lol < 1344950430 797803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1344950454 46289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know if history had taken a slightly different turn "lol" could be the emoticon for raising both hands in celebration < 1344950457 226046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a patent medicine < 1344950467 889219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TELL ME ABOUT: Code reformatters. < 1344950485 160254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure myndzi would agree, except he's not here :( < 1344950505 608016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I was in this real backwoods "bar" today, and they had a (handwritten) page advertising their Facebook page on the bulletin board. < 1344950507 893336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why would it have been? \o/ looks morerealistic < 1344950511 426573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to me they look like tanks with missing turrets < 1344950517 291704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: a nocebo medicine < 1344950521 389242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know about them. < 1344950539 48184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nocebo....... i only recently saw this word on WP < 1344950583 94365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dunning-kruger, wait haven't i said that before < 1344950627 409889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Useless. :( < 1344950655 250681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe if backslash had never been invented... < 1344950683 798443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a strange alternate universe < 1344950699 58667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this universe, windows somehow was nearly unix-compatible from the start < 1344950721 831697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was probably intentional < 1344950761 909671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, linux never took off, and open source is restricted to the marginal gnu movement < 1344950773 238492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my artistic depiction of lol's as tanks http://oi46.tinypic.com/2cieivn.jpg < 1344950796 152959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not tie fighters? < 1344950814 454759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not zoidbergs? < 1344950817 983960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen in sarajevo: http://i.imgur.com/fGBV3.jpg < 1344950868 815523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i saw the L's as the tank treads < 1344950889 557845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look like side-mounted turrets in that pic < 1344950907 795492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did the bar have a handwritten qr code? < 1344950913 497322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1344950919 322974 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5CC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344950932 848107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344950935 533417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing for sure is that they look like they should look like something < 1344950947 765921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^lol's that is < 1344951001 449937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person raising their hands is so obvious in hindsight < 1344951244 877391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sadly, no. :/ < 1344951259 377280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I located the place after a bit of Google Mapsing around: http://goo.gl/maps/rJf7g < 1344951266 727806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Should open a streetview thing.) < 1344951273 194713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't look like a Facebooky place. < 1344951369 173744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their page stats seem to be: "6 like this; 1 talking about this; 27 were here; Also on: foursquare". < 1344951408 807562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The foursquare page has 13 total people, 14 total check-ins; the Mayor of the place is the one with 2. < 1344951453 525118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1344952539 164069 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Pidgin's Skype plugin highlights both parties in the same color. < 1344953945 189677 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol foursquare < 1344955512 282170 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1344955854 202107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have been convinced that eating comically oversized burgers designed to give you heart problems is an american tradition // I admit that I have done this. < 1344957627 203056 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344961203 686446 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1344963338 667051 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5CC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344963515 177713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344964076 666027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burgers that give you more calories than you should have in a day? < 1344964182 312396 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there such burgers? < 1344964344 407251 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1344964833 37778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344964890 379839 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344965277 150299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a kilogram of meat enough for that? < 1344965290 592520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With all the other fluff you'd expect in a burger with a kilo of meat.) < 1344967319 406018 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344968405 385182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When your middle name is danger... < 1344968420 269590 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke about bad parenting < 1344968423 862038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love jokes < 1344968464 69829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the name of a song < 1344968467 645489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw2VDWB-u2Y < 1344968484 686858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an awful joke < 1344969240 620456 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-42.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344969739 251517 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344970625 831202 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-20-39.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344972497 833099 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, what's green, grows on lawns and is made of concrete. < 1344972592 920215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344972647 288588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bad at riddles < 1344972647 697287 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't like that hg commits are annotated with the branch name < 1344972655 109400 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it's grass. < 1344972663 997165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1344972712 624879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my local naming scheme for branches is like anagrams of "fucktard" or something? < 1344972759 972002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... multiples of 97 in finnish < 1344972830 634164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, "The biggest advantage to using named branches is that every changeset on a branch has the branch name as part of its metadata" < 1344973028 366857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nolla, yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän, satayhdeksänkymmentäneljä, kaksisataayhdeksänkymmentäyksi, kolmesataakahdeksankymmentäkahdeksan, neljäsataakahdeksankymmentäviisi, and so on. < 1344973060 388136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed < 1344973088 427304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I'd probably start at yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän < 1344973100 659697 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I spent money on cosplay < 1344973127 520426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Are you saying 0 is not a multiple of 97! < 1344973254 830307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, I'll just leave that particular multiple for last since it's boring < 1344973306 923091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why use yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemänsata when you can jump straight to yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemänsatayhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän < 1344973377 274955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is it sata and when is it sataa? < 1344973419 406722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: What money and what cosplay? < 1344973438 273258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Jake English cosplay, 50 pence for some sticky tape < 1344973448 659697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no torvalds rant about how mercurial is ridiculously stupid? < 1344973461 544386 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, i don't think jake wears sticky tape < 1344973475 600947 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you don't know how cheap my cosplay is < 1344973483 852187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1344973491 723974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making sticky tape glasses? < 1344973496 489155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1344973505 664504 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I printed out his symbol and stuck it to my shirt < 1344973583 416714 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: “A hundred”: “sata”. “Two hundred”: “kaksisataa”, like “two hundreds”. < 1344973586 514735 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps ripping < 1344973590 495660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's "sata" if there's just one hundred. < 1344973624 860474 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, just say you're Jake post-robot fight. < 1344973628 681057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And you wouldn't generally say "yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemänsataayhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän" for 9797 either, you'd just say "yhdeksäntuhatta seitsemänsataayhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän". < 1344973641 820328 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it ripped during the course of the day < 1344973659 207858 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in an odd place < 1344973696 443244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, of course ... I didn't know the word for thousand yet :) < 1344973704 685292 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the University of Canberra wants my oppinion < 1344973758 795874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's tuhat/tuhatta (compare sata/sataa) if you happen to need a single thousand in Finspeak. < 1344973800 381847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's bound to be one or two multiples of 97 between 1000 and 2000 < 1344973812 388724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know. < 1344973826 133077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also got kicked out of... < 1344973834 267423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top floor of the multi-storey car park < 1344973839 878422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's like unexplored terrain, we'll see when I get there < 1344973847 609759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I tried three random numbers that were >= 1000, < 2000, and none of them were multiples of 97. It doesn't look good. < 1344973915 364116 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found two primes after just 10 numbers, so 1/5 numbers are primes, but 0/3 are multiples of 97 < 1344973949 639959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is what's called mathematics. < 1344973983 904299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics, or the art of finding and observing numbers < 1344974015 494153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dziewieć tysięcy siedemset dziewiećdziesiąt siedem < 1344974074 972198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 194 is a multiple of 97 < 1344974082 724556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not over a thousand. < 1344974084 403333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1940 would be too < 1344974095 549660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come! < 1344974101 667920 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are either of 194 or 1940 primes? < 1344974105 624271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1344974108 914499 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, psychology < 1344974118 243319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prime isn't a multiple of anything but 1 and itself < 1344974132 506666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers tend to act like numbers that look like numbers similar to themselves < 1344974135 643226 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer pressure and thart < 1344974143 74117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, how clever. < 1344974154 385975 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no multiple of 97 other than 97 is a prime < 1344974190 236883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know? have you checked all of them? < 1344974204 376358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have < 1344974279 416598 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have, there's an infinite number of primes! 1/5th of infinity is still infinity, you know < 1344974314 330265 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott is not here. < 1344974335 71490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mistyped his name. ‘According to sources, despite his initial concern, Ryan relaxed after deciding that Romney would "absolutely love Elliot" when the two met at the Republican National Convention later this month.’ http://www.theonion.com/articles/paul-ryan-wondering-if-he-should-have-told-romney,29166/ < 1344974363 471932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I checked all of them < 1344974367 859101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole infinity < 1344974382 893049 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 is the only prime that is a multiple of 97 < 1344974434 348434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1344975115 918556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must have taken a while < 1344975549 331488 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net TOPIC #esoteric :Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1344975582 677607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Stephen Colbert mentioned “Hepatitis C++” < 1344976500 889755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344976570 847079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1344976582 157479 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newb isn't in my spell-checker, but newbie is < 1344976600 170148 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it's spelled “n00b” < 1344976674 734027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"newb" is in a weird place between not correctly spelled and not sufficiently incorrectly spelled < 1344977322 188273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, does your spellcheck ignore digits in words? < 1344977360 536439 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it treats them as whitespace < 1344977366 623681 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with "'"s < 1344977375 370684 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it think "isn't" isn't a word < 1344977401 782875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1344977505 482182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you should throw it out and start checking your spelling manually and/or learn to spell < 1344977510 130300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1344977520 949587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler I've written is failing due to some sort of combinatorial explosion that causes strings to not fit in memory < 1344977534 128500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boss's solution is to attempt to rewrite the compiler to use a data structure other than strings, which has a higher length limit < 1344977607 324806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to explain why that's unlikely to help < 1344977619 359251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the compiler using only string as its data structure? < 1344977623 867296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from the obvious reasons, there's also the issue that the string in question is copied to the compiler's output) < 1344977637 950748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, this is happening within the output code < 1344977655 359913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it converts its parse tree representation of the code it wants to generate to a string so it can put it in a file < 1344977702 813379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... that'll really fix itself by allowing strings longer than the strings that don't fit in memory in the first place < 1344977718 661911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can't it write the string straight to the file without storing it in memory? < 1344977753 443444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should point out that the real problem is the lack of infinite storage and suggest he buys you a turing machine < 1344977903 670517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you are missing the point < 1344977918 27718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like my boss is < 1344977938 754469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combinatorial explosion in the length of the output is going to make the output useless < 1344977951 524110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it growing so much? < 1344977953 142298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as we're targetting embedded systems here… < 1344977959 610058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't know, presumably a bug < 1344977975 253291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I assumed it was intentional < 1344978133 267594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1344978146 520418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you think I'd intentionally put a combinatorial explosion in my compilers? < 1344978266 668164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your objective is to make your boss disappear for a few weeks implementing special over-long strings so you can get some work done < 1344978269 398530 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1344978338 612914 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1344978571 439176 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-9-82.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344979700 980485 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1344979802 747120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1344980052 851630 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1344981143 536259 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344981414 873425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a music by square wave? < 1344981494 12271 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1344981495 548451 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1344981519 140614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is great? < 1344981609 297538 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, although in digital synthesis you have to use band-limiting to avoid aliasing artifacts. < 1344981676 831078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I'm totally in parentheses right now, if you know what I mean. < 1344981688 370037 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm if everybody here is Finnish, any suggestions for things to do in Helsinki? < 1344981690 345320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Well I suppose you can do that too. Famicom audio 2A03, VRC6, MMC5, Sunsoft includes square channels most of them you can adjust the duty as well except Sunsoft is fixed at 50% duty. < 1344981701 523163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I'm Finnish but I've only spent two weeks of my life in Finland. < 1344981715 717687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one of them I was three years old. < 1344981754 515394 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strips shachaf out of parentheses with $ < 1344981779 493394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You have no idea what you're doing, fool! < 1344981784 310818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a *type signature*! < 1344981810 947395 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unsafeCoerces shachaf < 1344981820 93575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't help. < 1344981844 806425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo $ shachaf :: bar, see. < 1344981857 106065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Did you go to a sauna? That's a popular thing to do in Finland. < 1344981863 508493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that's all they ever do, in fact. < 1344981882 847015 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on IRC from sauna < 1344981884 274898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A03 and MMC5 square channel is 12.5% or 25% or 50% or 75% duty, and VRC6 square channel can have eight settings of duty from 1/16 to 8/16. < 1344981919 453418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicom Disk System audio can also be programmed with a square wave. < 1344981934 828152 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PWM with square waves is a nice effect in music synthesis. < 1344981982 887967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OK. Possibly it can be made also with Csound. < 1344982105 675189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Csound have a command for PWM? < 1344982277 921745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you written music? < 1344982284 790814 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, some. < 1344982304 522360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? What program? What format? What other stuff? < 1344982333 716895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion probably used Famicon Disk System. < 1344982358 316393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you sure? < 1344982394 23325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. < 1344982409 817462 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve used Lilypond to engrave musical scores. Other than that, don’t really use PCs to make music. (Except i’d like to continue my software synthesizer project some day, but i have trouble getting things done.) < 1344982492 883539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What software synthesizer project is it? < 1344982532 56507 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing special, just a program that takes MIDI in and pushes audio out. < 1344982594 286564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You must be taking part in some kind of vagueness-in-IRC competition, right? :p < 1344982637 52094 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure what to say about it. :-D < 1344982652 458345 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a software synthesizer. That’s what it does. < 1344982655 687486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some program to make MIDI file, called SakuraMML, but I get some error when I try to use it in my computer < 1344982723 466933 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing it in C++ in 2004 and this was the last thing i got out of it before the project pretty much died. If i ever get around to continuing, i’ll write it from scratch in Haskell. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/syna-20040729.ogg < 1344982735 2618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1344982753 224064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can also take MIDI to make audio out. < 1344982765 82098 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, plenty of programs can. < 1344982801 236812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Sure, sure, but that would cover just about anything. Is it a wavetable kind of thing, or a pile of LFOs and simple waveforms and filters wired together and summed up, or something more generic, or something more restricted? < 1344982824 258089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, Csound can also take other input formats as well, such as the numeric score. It doesn't have MML but possibly software could be written to convert MML to numeric score format. < 1344982833 188442 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used band-limited impulse trains. < 1344982899 429449 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could use any method of synthesis, that’s just what i implemented (in addition to pure sine waves) so far. < 1344982911 159183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like it. (Though I have zero clue why I proceeded with the interrogation.) < 1344982933 484610 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZBXA4ye_us&fmt=18 http://johan.kiviniemi.name/music/delusions_of_grand_piano.pdf < 1344983054 299913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sound in syna-20040729.ogg consisted of a “supersaw”, i.e. two sawtooth waves (made by integrating BLITs with an appropriate bias) playing the same thing with one of them very slightly out of tune. And the output was low-pass filtered. < 1344983068 152790 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a varying cutoff frequency < 1344983115 976030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound has a large number of commands for synthesis, though, including sine waves, wavetable, waveguide, granular, FM, additive, subtractive, noise, physical modeling, stochastic, samples, prepared pianos, and a lot more and they can also be combined using mathematical formulas. < 1344983124 762363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344983137 919616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344983217 642903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also many kind of input, including MIDI, GUI, Wii remotes, etc < 1344983258 429365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an FM synth in C that outputs raw sound data < 1344983310 652598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VRC7 Famicom audio is also FM synthesis < 1344983343 872118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344983353 337487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a sine wave synth in C that combine wave to make sound for telephones (DTMF, blue box, red box, dial tone, busy signals, SIT) and that outputs raw sound data. < 1344983516 820455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone make .NSF using all six expansions including the 2A03 audio? < 1344983618 975671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a rather fancy "sound texture synthesis" presentation at a conference a while ago. The funniest bit was that even though it's really non-physically-inspired (bandpass filterbank + parametric statistics -- distribution moments up to kurtosis, auto- and crosscorrelations -- of the subbands, and then synthesis to get signals with those parameters) it did a rather nice job of reproducing ... < 1344983625 465671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sort of "stationary" environmental sounds, like rain, wind, fire, whatever. < 1344983630 4077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have already mentioned this.) < 1344983658 491256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Do you have a Csound code to implement those sound effects? < 1344983847 530373 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sounds cool. Do you have a URL? < 1344983889 106677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, though their paper has the algorithm, and it should be possible to reimplement it. Maybe I should give it a go some day. (Though they don't give their parameter values for their sample sounds, which they mention were based on collecting those statistics from "commercially available CDs".) < 1344983918 329638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~jhm/mcdermott_waspaa09_final.pdf looks like the paper I remember, though I haven't been to that workshop. < 1344983925 133967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1344983930 499832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was possibly at ICASSP. < 1344984047 213929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some amount of possibly-not-so-interesting-from-some-perspectives stuff about perception. < 1344984062 751954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've made a longer journal paper out of it: http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~jhm/McDermott_2011_texture_w_SI.pdf < 1344984075 940682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that probably goes deeper to that side of it. < 1344984119 406902 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1344984146 794309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you can probably get more "realistic" sound synthesis by other means if that's the primary goal, I just thought it was kinda interesting.) < 1344984227 592099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, synthesis people have it so easy, they can just have a presentation with 50% (or more) of demo audio samples, and everyone'll sit, listen and pay attention since it's not just a boring presentation like a hundred others. < 1344984717 998652 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1344984830 549445 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344984849 741920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to the logs to find out where I heard about this thing, and found this amusing description of a guy who used to stick electrodes into ferret brains. < 1344984877 331587 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Client Quit < 1344985052 599010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've pasted this before, but maybe it's still amusing: http://sprunge.us/ENPI < 1344985423 132863 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344985710 152990 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344985834 122861 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344985895 414839 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1344985951 358398 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1344986062 780696 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344988038 314296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the Bluetooth on OpenPandora is compatible with Wii remotes? Also do you know if it is possible to replace the operating system, and if doing so will affect the battery life? < 1344988770 372439 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... quintopia and shachaf are /both/ LWians? < 1344988780 828826 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is freaked out by small worlds