00:02:39 I am looking at LLVM document, so that once they add a byte size specification it could compile into RogueVM. 00:05:03 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:06:19 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:07:20 "We request 16,000 random bytes of data from random.org. We then mix (using a bitwise XOR) those bytes with 16,000 internally generated pseudo-random bytes, in case there is a bias in the bytes from random.org. " 00:07:41 Might the pseudorandomly-generated bytes be more problematic? 00:08:24 Sgeo: Either way, since they are not related to each other, it cannot cause more problem that they already have. 00:09:13 Sgeo: if random.org has no bias, and the internal ones have no dependency on them, then the result will have no bias (basically one time pad theory) 00:09:48 Ah, that makes sense. 00:10:20 That is what I meant. 00:24:29 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 00:27:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:28:15 -!- augur has joined. 00:33:06 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:53:18 oerjan: But it's possible to take a biased source of entropy and unbias it 01:53:36 Which random.org is guaranteed to do 01:53:37 not only is it possible, it's a common CS interview question ;) 01:54:05 you can turn independent flips of a biased coin into independent flips of a fair coin 01:54:22 but i'm not sure what you can do with non-independent inputs 01:54:30 well assuming they're independent and equally distributed, that's easy 01:54:31 Basically, if you get 01, that's a 1, if you've got 10, that's a 0 (or the other way around), if you get 11 or 00, you discard it 01:54:41 depends on what the dependence is 01:54:51 This will work as long as there is no correlation between consecutive bits 01:55:18 i think you can do it a bit more efficiently, but yeah 01:55:46 not if even index bits have a different distribution than odd index bits >:) 01:56:19 If that is the only difference in distribution, then you can easily account for that, though. 01:57:03 naturally. 01:57:25 In Which Many True Things are Said. 01:58:11 And KMC Turns Inside Out. 01:58:46 Of course, if the source is 010101010101010101010101 (strong correlation between bits) then it won't work at all 01:58:49 More efficiently by looking for 1100/0011/11110000/00001111/etc.? 01:59:07 i don't remember 01:59:46 kmc: I heard Haswell is going to have a 56-bit address space. 01:59:50 FreeFull: that's not actually a correlation, or rather the expression would become 0/0 or something like that. 01:59:55 fun 02:00:07 Not for people like sbahra who were using those bits! 02:00:10 up from 48? 02:00:14 Yes. 02:00:18 yeah, well, the architecture tries to discourage you from doing that :) 02:00:22 what was sbahra doing? 02:00:36 Something in concurrencykit 02:00:44 oerjan: After 0, there is a 100% chance of 1 02:00:46 And vice versa 02:01:30 Apparently it's a big enough win that he's adding some runtime checks for whether those can be used or not. 02:01:51 FreeFull: the definition of corr(X,Y) makes that 0/0 02:02:10 FreeFull: the thing is you cannot correlate with something which doesn't actually _vary_. 02:02:56 another clue is that the odds and even bits are actually independent then. 02:03:26 which is the case whenever all probabilities are 0 or 1. 02:20:37 What instructions and other features do you think would be useful for virtual machine used for roguelike games and other similar grid based games? 02:21:52 -!- augur has joined. 02:22:03 The mouse button on my computer might be broken; sometimes when I push once it act as double clicked 02:22:39 How to fix this? 02:23:12 Push it half, rather than once. 02:23:19 It'll count the half-click as a single click. 02:23:46 This mouse cannot go half. Also, I do not think that is the problem. 02:25:40 -!- monqy has joined. 02:25:51 damn i hate it when i've opened several tabs, taking great care to wait until each stops using cpu, and then _suddenly_ and old one wakes up and use it all up. and i cannot even find out which. 02:26:02 *an old 02:27:51 nortti why are you oerjan 02:27:54 i recall a couple years ago or so, tabbed browsing used to be nice :( 02:28:06 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 02:28:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:29:01 Why do you even open too many tabs at once? The problem is the browser is doing a lot of stuff because it is too complicated. 02:30:11 zzo38: but it shouldn't matter when each tab is not using cpu :( 02:31:01 oerjan: Yes they shouldn't be using CPU a lot anyways. 02:31:34 i just went through r/science on reddit and open all the tabs i wanted to read before reading most of them. and i had _just_ finished opening all when one of them started the thrashing 02:32:11 Turn off the features which cause that 02:32:30 Problem is, it is too complicated. 02:33:13 -!- augur has joined. 02:33:16 Advertising blocker may be able to speed it up a bit and so can other things such as scripts off (or selectively), etc 02:37:27 ministat is such a great program 02:37:33 did someone here tell me about it? 02:38:43 Not me. 02:38:46 I don't even own a television. 02:39:07 Oh, wait, not that sort of program. 02:39:31 c.c 02:39:56 There was a program called "Yes, Minister" 02:40:12 Followed by one called "Yes, Prime Minister" 02:40:17 If I remember correctly it was good. 02:40:20 (But it's been a while.) 02:41:18 we get that here 02:41:27 i need to see it more often 02:42:56 it occured to me when i was watching that once that politics and quantum physics have a lot of common ground 02:43:03 ^mechanics 02:43:24 In what way? 02:44:47 well, i think that the trick to boiling an egg is filling a saucepan with regular tap water over a flame and adding an egg 02:45:10 OK 02:45:14 this process really exemplifies the boiling of an egg 02:45:44 is there any more questions? 02:45:51 I don't know. 02:46:44 nah.. 02:47:09 my dad explained to me once that the point was that they would say a lot without actually saying anything 02:47:21 the egg thing was a bad example of that 02:47:31 * oerjan thinks itidus21 just earned a hit with the saucepan ===\__/ 02:47:45 A hot saucepan this time. 02:48:01 With eggs in it. 02:48:12 i don't have any eggs. 02:48:33 Too bad. 02:48:34 maybe i have been thinking about eggs.. 02:48:36 because i do 02:50:40 Please tell me review of RogueVM specification I have added a lot I need you to tell me if anything is wrong or if I missed anything important! 02:50:51 zzo38: i think it was an episode where the prime minister learns that if he announces something publically, it becomes official 02:51:12 where i was thinking about quantum 02:51:19 O, so that is how it works. 02:51:44 i hope and pray that the egg is not in any episode 02:52:59 i was just randomly tv watching one day 02:53:10 a bit like bird watching except birds follow a schedule 02:55:19 i just realized that today is an important holiday for my people (hippies) 02:55:43 What important holiday is that? 02:55:53 the day on which the Man burns 02:56:34 You should've gone! 02:56:38 nah 02:56:55 i'm doing important startuppy things here 02:57:12 What kind of hippie are you? 02:57:16 if i had delayed my employment another week, i wouldn't be employee #1! 02:57:20 * shachaf doesn't actually know what "hippie" means. 02:57:25 Who's employee #2? 02:57:27 do you know how much, like, cachet comes with that? 02:57:38 shachaf: a person you probably don't know 02:57:43 Oh. 02:57:50 Do I know any of employee -3-0? 02:58:05 maybe? 02:58:10 i don't know who you know 02:59:02 what kind of hippie am i? the kind who has already been to Burning Man once ;) 03:03:47 shachaf: did you go to the stripe web ctf meetup? 03:03:54 Yep. 03:04:03 I think I talked about it a bit while I was half-asleep in here yesterday. 03:04:08 did they say anything about another CTF? 03:04:24 They talked as if they're planning to keep making them. 03:04:32 I don't remember whether they said anything concrete. 03:06:50 kmc: You should add the word "kentucky" to your vocabulary. 03:07:09 «KENTUCKY (adv.) Fitting exactly and satisfyingly. The cardboard box that slides neatly into an exact space in a garage, or the last book which exactly fills a bookshelf, is said to fit 'real nice and kentucky'.» 03:07:36 ... 03:13:51 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:15:37 shachaf: OHIO 03:15:54 there's no escaping from ohio 03:16:33 Ohio! Washington? Nevada. 03:19:15 -!- Concreto has joined. 03:20:00 * oerjan waits for Abstracto to join, so we can have a superfight 03:21:34 -!- Concreto has left. 03:31:20 -!- lexande_ has joined. 03:40:25 kmc: 20:39 <@lexande_> hunpuns 03:42:15 uhachaf 03:42:35 Oh, lexande_ is here. 03:45:15 i heard there was a discussion of frequent flyer miles but i guess i'm rather late for that 03:49:58 yeah, no miles for you! 03:59:48 that's okay, i think i have enough for my purposes 04:08:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:15:30 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:23:53 You are going to have kilometres instead. 04:28:49 LAN's frequent flyer program uses kilometres actually 04:28:54 but i don't know of any other that does 04:29:17 hmm 04:29:20 blue kilometers? 04:29:39 even e.g. Air France and Lufthansa use miles 04:30:19 I do not like this word "tonne"/"metric ton". 04:30:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 04:30:51 Aeroflot even 04:41:03 Миля 04:42:38 rewards programs were invented in the USA because airlines were prohibited from changing prices directly, yeah? 04:42:59 did a similar regulatory environment exist in other countries, or did they just copy the US rewards systems later? 04:44:36 Oh, I hadn't heard about that. Makes some sense. 04:45:01 -!- mig22 has joined. 04:45:03 kmc, no the first frequent flyer programs were post-deregulation 04:45:20 Ah. 04:45:26 oh really 04:48:46 when the airlines had government-granted monopolies on many routes it was not so necessary for them to go out of their way to incentivise customer loyalty 04:49:10 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:51:30 i had read that it was a backdoor mechanism for price competition 04:51:34 but apparently this was inaccurate 04:51:41 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:52:40 they did have other backdoor mechanisms back in the day, mostly in the form of inflight product 04:53:38 also those little houses you still get on KLM business class, because they weren't allowed to give customers "gifts" but they were allowed to give customers free alcohol 04:54:13 i guess those aren't really backdoor mechanisms, just competing on other things 04:54:13 Houses? 04:54:36 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/KLM_DelftBlueHouses.PNG 04:55:35 Hm. 04:57:34 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:59:29 -!- elliott has joined. 04:59:32 pikhq 04:59:32 elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 04:59:33 are you there 05:00:07 > hi "elliott" 05:00:10 helliott 05:00:18 no 05:00:22 No? 05:00:31 I didn't make that command. 05:00:37 Who was it who answered a few day ago about the RogueVM? At the time I did not write enough. Now I need help know if it is enough or if it is all wrong. 05:00:45 Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please 05:02:02 `addquote Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please 05:02:11 858) Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please 05:02:20 Yesterday: 23:09 That still does not tell me what codes I need to make this internet service. 05:02:27 zzo38: Did you ever figure that out? 05:02:40 No, I did not. 05:03:28 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 05:04:39 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:04:52 -!- augur has joined. 05:04:54 http://www.npr.org/2012/09/01/160386904/in-bike-friendly-copenhagen-highways-for-cyclists 05:04:54 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 05:04:57 That's pretty friendly. 05:08:07 nytimes i think had an article about this recently 05:11:10 kmc: please tell me you know http semantics 05:12:37 elliott: ? 05:12:51 pikhq: it's ok i solved it without you 05:12:51 what about http? 05:12:52 sorry :( 05:12:56 what are u talking about 05:12:59 kmc: is it ok for /foo/bar to be 200 but /foo to be 404 05:13:06 or should i make /foo and /foo/ be 403 instead or whatever 05:13:27 Kay, I'll just continue thinking about how much more performance I can squeeze out of this VM. 05:13:40 elliott: i don't know; i'd be surprised if that's in the spec 05:13:54 I'm worried that to do much more I'll need a JIT. 05:13:58 i think the interpretation of URLs as paths is pretty under-constrained 05:14:02 But I'm *so close* to beating LuaJIT without one! 05:14:04 but idk 05:14:07 kmc: i don't care about spec, only what the cult ideology is 05:14:26 pikhq: what are you doing 05:14:34 ok well wrong cult 05:14:42 ask someone who lives in SF and has tight jeans 05:14:48 elliott: Squeezing the clock cycles from an interpreter. 05:14:51 kmc: what's your cult 05:14:53 pikhq: interpreters for what 05:14:58 dunno 05:15:15 elliott: Moderately artificial VM spec. 05:15:31 cult of the least fixed point 05:16:06 I've already got it down to basically a threaded Forth interpreter in C. 05:17:13 What VM is this? 05:17:55 zzo38: The interpreter's https://github.com/pikhq/cmako, the VM's from https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako 05:18:04 the least fixed point is a great prophet but not my messiah 05:18:11 John Earnest being the IRL name of RodgerTheGreat, who was last in here a few years ago. 05:22:36 It's been fun to work on, and at some point I got to where I need to start comparing any benchmarks I do with GCC and LuaJIT... 05:22:52 Slower than both, of course, but by less than you'd expect. 05:34:47 kmc: I saw a Union Pacific train when I was waiting at the Caltrain station! 05:34:50 It was very long. 05:35:43 one of those three freight trains a day, for the benefit of which CAHSR is going to spend many billions more than otherwise necessary 05:43:29 creating jobs! 05:44:32 freight trains are very long 05:44:43 the ones that come through downtown Cambridge, MA on the surface are not so long 05:44:52 because they go very slowly and people would get pissed off at waiting 20 minutes at the crossing 05:47:48 also because there isn't all that much freight moving by rail east of the hudson 05:51:41 well, especially not northeast of boston, which is the only place they'd be going if passing through downtown cambridge 05:53:23 My DVD was making worrying noises, so I'm `dvdbackup`ing it. 05:53:33 Now it's still making those noises but hopefully it'll only make them once. 05:53:42 dvds don't make noises, shachaf!!! 05:54:45 elliott: Oh no! 05:54:50 What did I put in my DVD drive, then? 05:55:03 but who was phone 05:55:32 1.2G 05:55:35 shachaf: kmc 05:55:43 not 1.21G? 05:55:49 kmc: sorry ':( 05:55:50 he's trying to get out but he's too polite to bother you about it 05:56:01 Oops. I'm so sad I'm crying upwards. 05:56:01 ? 05:56:14 oh i am trapped inside shachaf's DVD drive 05:56:21 trapped in fortune cookie factory 05:59:25 1.6G 06:07:52 -!- mig22 has joined. 06:12:12 This is making all sorts of exciting noises. 06:12:19 I wonder whether I could play music with it. 06:14:15 sleep, ttyl 06:14:19 good luck with your dvd 06:14:56 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:16:50 -!- asiekierka has joined. 06:17:09 -!- nooga has joined. 06:17:39 Is the version numbering system of RogueVM good? (page 12) 06:19:59 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 06:22:16 yes 06:26:23 Did you read it? 06:26:39 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:27:33 I wrote about the version numbers only a few minutes ago. 06:28:04 well, 06:28:05 maybe no :( 06:28:08 but I am sure it is good! 06:28:38 That isn't a very good answer. 06:28:48 s/answer/reason/ 06:28:49 :/ 06:28:50 i am sorry 06:29:11 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 06:30:18 -!- donmarquis has joined. 06:33:32 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:42:21 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:42:26 -!- DH____ has joined. 06:53:46 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:55:01 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 06:56:12 -!- mig22 has joined. 06:56:13 -!- kinoSi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:56:40 -!- kinoSi has joined. 06:57:06 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:12:29 -!- ais523 has quit. 07:13:54 -!- nooga has joined. 07:43:53 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:44:19 -!- Vorpal has joined. 07:47:32 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:56:17 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:57:31 -!- heroux has joined. 08:03:25 -!- augur_ has joined. 08:03:36 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:11:46 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:11:55 Hello 08:12:44 * itidus21 googles "crate", unsure which ones are actual crates and which ones are just rendered 08:16:56 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:17:05 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:19:26 -!- nooga has joined. 08:46:35 I don't think crates exist in real life 08:46:43 Didn't they just create the concept to have a handy structure to climb on in games? 08:47:05 Let's ask a dictionary. 08:47:07 @wn crate 08:47:07 *** "crate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 08:47:08 crate 08:47:08 n 1: a rugged box (usually made of wood); used for shipping 08:47:08 2: the quantity contained in a crate [syn: {crate}, {crateful}] 08:47:08 v 1: put into a crate; as for protection; "crate the paintings 08:47:10 before shipping them to the museum" [ant: {uncrate}] 08:47:19 Well, it doesn't mention games. 08:53:07 your mother doesn't mention games 09:01:00 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 09:02:15 -!- donmarquis has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:22:47 -!- atriq has joined. 09:31:12 sorry that was kind of mean 09:44:54 It was kind of median. 09:51:18 https://github.com/AnotherTest/X.so yay 09:52:10 @messages? 09:52:10 Sorry, no messages today. 09:57:10 Sad. :( 10:19:43 -!- juhani has joined. 10:20:48 -!- juhani has changed nick to nortti. 10:33:56 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:50:36 -!- MoALTz has joined. 10:50:57 data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Ptr (Something a))) (Maybe (Ptr (Someting a))) 10:51:13 I'm not sure why Ptrs 10:51:28 data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Something a)) (Maybe (Something a)) 10:51:51 left :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); left (Something _ a _) = a 10:52:08 right :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); right (Something _ _ a) = a 10:53:07 foo :: Something (); foo = Something () (Just foo) (Just foo) 10:58:19 I've been playing magic the gathering 10:58:21 does anyone else play this game? 10:58:28 I'm more of a Sopio fan 10:58:53 would you like to play a variant of chess with portals? 10:59:15 and projectile attacks? 10:59:23 Didn't kallisti do that a while back? 10:59:29 yes 10:59:32 -!- spirity has changed nick to kallisti. 10:59:33 -!- kallisti has changed nick to spirity. 10:59:36 -!- atriq has changed nick to Taneb. 10:59:38 -!- Taneb has changed nick to atriq. 10:59:40 ohai 10:59:43 Already have, heh 10:59:50 wow imagine that. 11:00:00 I was thinking of a few tweaks 11:00:26 Go on? 11:00:55 I wasn't sure what the queen should be 11:01:36 it could be a piece that produces reflectors 11:01:43 which are just little tokens. coins or dice or whatever. 11:02:13 but also 11:02:26 it would be interesting to have a special rule that enables you to revive old pieces 11:02:44 spirity: Can you just stick with one nick, please? 11:02:52 yes. I will stick with this one. 11:03:33 Can you stick with one of the previous ones? 11:03:55 why should I do that? 11:04:08 Doesn't kallisti mean "for the fairest" or something in Greek? 11:04:30 yep 11:04:42 I worship the god Eris 11:05:01 Fair enough 11:05:23 You should try irc.efnet.org 11:06:20 That sounds illogical. 11:06:45 It's the Eris-Free network, after all. 11:07:37 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 11:07:58 hello 11:08:15 Hi 11:25:41 -!- nortti_ has joined. 11:27:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:28:22 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: leaving). 11:29:03 d 11:29:41 d indeed 11:34:57 -!- lexande_ has left ("Leaving"). 11:46:22 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:52:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:59:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 11:59:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:01:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Client Quit). 12:02:53 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:34:53 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:35:06 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:42:32 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:45:45 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 12:52:20 -!- atriq has joined. 13:23:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:23:52 -!- AnotherTest1 has joined. 13:39:06 atriq: the last thought i had about chess was to take away the board, and play on some arbitrary real world terrain 13:40:52 an extension of that idea would be that anywhere on earth counts as the board 13:41:07 "What are you doing in my house!?" 13:41:09 "Playing chess" 13:41:33 "I'm trying to sleep!" 13:42:00 "Hey, you didn't complain when Dan moved his rook into the Tate Modern" 13:42:12 "Why on earth would he do that!?" 13:42:26 "To pin my bishop against my queen so I couldn't check him." 13:47:02 -!- david_werecat has joined. 13:53:00 as the game of chess takes place on chessboard on mars surface, "what you're using insanely expensive computer equipment to play games?" 13:53:26 "don't worry, i will be a hero in 70 years" 14:14:11 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:14:39 -!- AnotherTest1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:14:58 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:17:38 -!- ogrom has joined. 14:30:39 "stalemate" "no! I was about to discover water under his rook!" 14:31:50 “If you know what I mean.” 14:35:15 hi 14:36:58 "talking about exploration rovers... I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what you mean" 14:56:42 -!- kinoSi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:57:10 -!- kinoSi has joined. 15:06:08 -!- atriq has joined. 15:07:51 "Why are we talking all in quotes?" 15:08:47 bye 15:08:51 "I'll be back." 15:09:01 -!- AnotherTest has left. 15:09:35 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 15:10:02 "Hello" 15:10:12 "My name is Inigo Montoya" 15:10:16 "You killed my father" 15:10:19 "Prepare to die" 15:10:49 Oh, we were still on this? 15:20:48 "I don't know." 15:24:05 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:27:24 hello 15:35:59 it turns out that upgrading X was actually useful 15:42:08 "How interesting." 15:42:15 `runc int main(void) { char prog = 'X'; prog--; printf("downgraded X: %c(ayland)", prog); } 15:42:19 downgraded X: W(ayland) 15:46:17 `runc int main(void { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } 15:46:21 No output. 15:46:41 `runc int main(void) { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } 15:46:46 110 15:47:11 How curious 15:47:13 What is this, some kind of undefinedness competition? 15:47:22 Yes 15:47:28 That is EXACTLY what this is 15:53:44 That's the same as GCC, for probably very simple reasons 15:54:34 I wouldn't be so sure that "GCC" (every version, every platform) does the same thing there. 15:54:44 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 15:56:21 atriq: in nandypants, what do you mean "Adds a to the output stream"? 15:56:37 Oh, that's going a long way back 15:56:51 what implementation is `runc? 15:57:07 The contents of the cell pointed to in tape A, Arc_Koen 15:57:30 In whatever format the implementer wants 15:57:30 kmc: It's just echo "$@" | gcc -x c - -o $t && $t. 15:57:44 ok 15:57:49 yes i got that, but what does the output stream do with it? print it as a 0 or 1? or wait to have 8 bits before printing it as a char? 15:58:24 Implementation dependant 15:58:27 The !c in EgoBot has some kind of an unconditional main-wrapping around it. 15:58:29 !c printf("x\n"); 15:58:30 I never really thought about it? 15:58:31 x 15:58:32 !c int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } 15:58:34 No output. 15:59:08 ! int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main 15:59:13 !c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main 15:59:14 Does not compile. 15:59:46 :) 16:00:18 I like ##c's candide's ,cc, it's got all kinds of stuff like a lot of guesswork about what code goes where, support for giving options, input, doing editing and s///'s on the program, gdb integration and whatnot. 16:01:01 If you don't generate any output, it produces a list of all locals of main by default. 16:01:16 atriq, you need to have brackets after main to call it..l. 16:01:22 Aaah 16:01:30 C is not something I am very good at 16:01:33 !c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main() 16:01:35 Does not compile. 16:01:35 19:01 ,cc int x = 10; int y = (x++ * x++) + x++; 16:01:36 19:01 fizzie: [warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point] warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point]] 16:01:41 !c int main(void) {printf("x\n");}; main() 16:01:44 x 16:01:56 I missed a bracket 16:02:19 I would like to know what that actually compiled. 16:02:47 atriq: you don't need to call main 16:02:55 Possibly a nested function inside the autogenerated main. 16:03:04 Arc_Koen, in this implementation you do 16:03:12 !c int main(void) {printf("x\n");} 16:03:14 No output. 16:03:19 uh, ok 16:03:31 It runs C statements, not C programs 16:03:47 That's probably because it ends up as int main(void) { int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } } for !c. 16:07:38 shachaf: Should I use my free EC2 micro instance for something? 16:07:45 I guess I could move IRC and other chat to it 16:09:33 kmc: I'm tempted to do the same. 16:14:19 But then all the CONFIDENTIAL #esoteric chatter would be OBSERVED by a MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION. 16:15:37 they would use timing attacks to steal my cryptos :( 16:15:56 by 'they' i mean anyone with an instance on the same hardware 16:17:40 They would use acoustic sidechannel attacs using the accidentally user-exposed microphone on the neighbouring machines, too. 16:19:52 your mind is the scene of the crime 16:24:21 !c while(1) fork(); 16:25:36 !c printf("Still alive?\n"); 16:25:38 Still alive? 16:25:55 "Spaghetti fork: A fork with a metal shaft loosely fitted inside a hollow plastic handle. The shaft protrudes through the top of the handle, ending in a bend that allows the metal part of the fork to be easily rotated with one hand while the other hand is holding the plastic handle. This supposedly allows spaghetti to be easily wound onto the tines. Electric variations of this fork have become ... 16:25:56 !c asm("nop"); 16:25:58 No output. 16:26:02 ... more prevalent in modern times." 16:26:04 Why have I never seen an electronic spaghetti fork? 16:27:12 (Or a cranked one, for that matter.) 16:28:00 !c printf("%ul\n", sizeof(void*)); 16:28:02