< 1352506268 619789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what are the consequences of that, besides DoS < 1352506279 843719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it makes traffic analysis or session downgrade attacks easier < 1352506330 363848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as you pointed out, you still need to know the sequence number to send the RST packet. < 1352506363 158053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how long it is before Chromium installs a shim that runs as root and reimplements TCP to their exact preferences using raw sockets < 1352506498 212223 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1352506498 849472 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352506515 170336 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352506634 894767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if people worry about "end-to-end" net neutrality < 1352506651 639179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, instead of your ISP making certain sites slower, your browser or OS could do so < 1352506671 175409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already the case that Chrome performs better and is more secure when accessing Google sites, not for particularly nefarious reasons < 1352506718 196593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352507263 541724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's already the case that Chrome performs better and is more secure when accessing Google sites, not for particularly nefarious reasons <-- or anything else that offers SPDY < 1352507270 61863 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is starting to appear < 1352507289 102901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1352507294 458755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the list of hard coded certificates won't be available to most other sites though < 1352507324 32994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some big non-google sites have that protection as well, like paypal < 1352507370 734627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some vanity domains of the people who worked on the feature at google :3 < 1352507385 136268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a process for third parties to get included < 1352507387 408052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? heh < 1352507392 469399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the HSTS preload if not the hardcoded certs < 1352507402 651113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352507421 929395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean Chromium is open source right ;) < 1352507431 498562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1352507445 211928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority will be using Chrome not Chromium, just saying < 1352507494 420289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't chrome pull from the open source project though < 1352507514 137329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1352507523 944311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can make their own modifications should they wish to < 1352507524 90121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you use Chromium? < 1352507535 775153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352507541 86206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use libpdf.so? < 1352507547 111790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1352507564 532978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is libpdf.so? < 1352507568 915066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :something from poppler? < 1352507575 363177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plugin from Chrome to view PDFs in-browser. < 1352507580 500451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's binary-only. < 1352507583 734342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352507588 713763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use it but it crashes Chromium now. < 1352507612 850989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pop a Poppler in your mouth when you come to Fishy Joe's / What they're made of is a mystery, where they come from no-one knows" < 1352507627 71231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the difference in behaviour between Windows and Linux chrom(e|ium) PDF behaviour < 1352507643 64298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can pick 'em you can lick 'em you can chew 'em you can stick 'em / If you promise not to sue us you can shove one up your nose." < 1352507656 814658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chrome has the PDF viewer on every platform now, I think. < 1352507659 675824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Chromium. < 1352507676 268859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I thought it was just some compile time option that was off, or the version that was different < 1352507683 520960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that was the cause then < 1352507703 806657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a PDF viewer in the browser is pretty great. :-( < 1352507750 963776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, eh, making evince or whatever load takes like 2 seconds < 1352507778 702211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What if you're "one of those people" who has hundreds of tabs open? < 1352507780 855195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for the PDF app I use on windows, which I forgot the name of. It isn't adobe reader < 1352507782 301194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And half of them are PDFs. < 1352507802 920682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: What if you're "one of those people" who has hundreds of tabs open? <-- I used to be one of those, nowdays I'm down to maybe 50 < 1352507808 316737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : And half of them are PDFs. <-- lol what < 1352507813 19609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need so many tabs? < 1352507851 995116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let shachaf explain that < 1352507856 825503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep, good night < 1352507863 111295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let Vorpal explain that. < 1352507888 363105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! He needs to sleeps, good night. < 1352508022 268832 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1352508045 78551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs For Sleeps III: Sweets Dreams < 1352508140 19328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352508151 412517 :JavaBotN!~PircBot@96.43.64.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352508156 421828 :JavaBotN!~PircBot@96.43.64.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352508269 7424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: It's a ship. It goes through the gate. < 1352509117 980225 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352509346 917171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352509628 497045 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352509703 881467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also intend to make up a new computer, as much hardware open source as possible and all built-in software open source, as much simplify as possible, includes a DVD with many games, a complete manual (including pinouts, schematics, detail of built-in software, licenses, jumpers, BIOS calls, instruction set, etc) < 1352509725 314778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often I find computers today their manual is incomplete. < 1352509891 178586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they contain mistakes too < 1352510576 72269 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352512415 168939 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352512757 553253 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Am I online?" < 1352512759 194300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Am I online?" < 1352512776 124284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just ping, you know. < 1352512793 355238 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352512793 942292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352512840 313205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depend what you are trying to check; sometimes I use PING command to the server to check connection to server. To check client connection, is different. < 1352512879 705982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure about @ping < 1352512994 447621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any MML compiler for Csound? < 1352513134 641169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/11/plan-9-mounts-and-dependency-injection/ < 1352513134 688156 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes me want to use Plan 9 < 1352513142 274883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use" < 1352513240 336937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352513240 831006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352513313 996612 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time did I say that I want to use Plan 9? < 1352513322 807931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do have some use cases for the sort of thing that that article talks about < 1352513540 14223 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352513540 393124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352513554 933784 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat says my lag is 12.4 seconds, but I saw that almost instantly < 1352513592 97612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use-cases < 1352513702 890975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking an IRC bot and making it talk on a different protocol without writing a fake IRC server. < 1352513749 913958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would writing a fake server be the solution there < 1352513761 467211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you actually written an irc bot < 1352513769 683558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, several. < 1352513780 753508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm thinking more of bots whose code I am too lazy to change < 1352513819 607187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those bots run on plan 9 < 1352513856 836004 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Tcl implementation that runs on Plan 9? Is there a Python implementation that runs on Plan 9? < 1352513875 360737 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm, I think the Tcl bot uses some library that uses native code, for XML stuff :( < 1352513882 388553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1352513884 165926 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure < 1352513919 564273 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, does the socket stuff in the irc library work on plan 9 and bla bla bla bla < 1352513921 510531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dont see how youd be able to use an existing program and do those things < 1352513925 40775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since < 1352513927 635971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youd need an actual file to override < 1352513932 120560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so itd have to do networking plan 9-style < 1352513936 427003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which a compatibility layer... wouldnt < 1352513980 384975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the networking API of a Plan 9 implementation of those languages do Plan 9 style networking when the application does what it thinks are normal networking calls? < 1352513983 942355 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be easier to write an x86/OS emulator that would automatically translate into appopriate protocol thingamajiggers. < 1352513996 348305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it does networking plan 9 style < 1352514004 393189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm pretty sure you'd have to actually supply the whole dial() device thing < 1352514013 793815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how it actually works though < 1352514020 38612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont really see how this is viable with any kind of compatibility layer < 1352514031 671926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said i approve of use of plan 9 < 1352514034 830521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a beautiful system < 1352514091 361638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Inferno a sort of successor? < 1352514091 491282 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352514092 61227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352514121 446489 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than a minute later. I'm impressed. < 1352514160 589647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 is still based on the idea that C is the end-all of programming languages and the byte is the most perfect data structure, right? < 1352514163 794124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess inferno is not < 1352514263 38431 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I going to see Plan 9-style beauty by looking at Inferno, is my question I guess < 1352514374 87966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferno is like plan 9 but in a vm but weird and there's limbo and stuff < 1352514380 2580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its deader than plan 9 afaik < 1352514388 475774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since some people actually use plan 9 and i dont think anyone really uses inferno < 1352514392 212031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont know why youd look at it < 1352514398 479411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well sort of < 1352514401 377718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Limbo bad? < 1352514417 392967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it takes the directory tree as the most perfect data structure moreso, also its C language is better than standard C < 1352514422 454127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but yes that is its main problem < 1352514427 148383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh it also has excellent Unicode support obviously < 1352514434 906006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since invented UTF-8 etc. < 1352514442 230810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: idk < 1352514444 533611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its weird < 1352514618 962227 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping at 12:29PM my time. < 1352514619 10494 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352514619 113100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 21 < 1352514619 262779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352514619 562759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352514628 72878 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was shockingly fast < 1352514734 572169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it takes a while for there to be a connection < 1352514742 26473 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it sends all my line squickly < 1352514745 437472 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... darn it < 1352514750 421237 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I would look like a really fast typer < 1352514760 463617 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1352514764 982583 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo < 1352514765 30519 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bar < 1352514765 30718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baz < 1352514890 310455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352514909 372661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is its C better than standard C < 1352514955 455878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget all the changes but all the ones it does have are good changes < 1352514974 796628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like its IO library isn't nearly as dumb < 1352514986 284269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its linking system is much better (no -l at the command-line) < 1352514992 981273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the nice struct inclusion thing go has < 1352514998 526077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and GNU C, as an extension nobody uses) < 1352515021 402630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it does cross-compilation much much better < 1352515025 695206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 has excellent cross-architecture support < 1352515032 813136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was built to handle distributed systems that used multiple architectures < 1352515035 579777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one filesystem < 1352515047 302137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it has actual unicode support < 1352515055 736198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BMP only because it predates >16-bit Unicode, unfortunately) < 1352515153 920332 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352515315 131319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which struct inclusion? < 1352515454 505002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { struct bar; ... } < 1352515462 572614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bar has element x you can do f.x where struct foo f; < 1352515473 874341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like "inheritance" but it's actually composition < 1352515483 617645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1352515487 965415 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you want a struct that actually has a struct as an element? < 1352515488 602136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this just happens automatically in gnu c? < 1352515489 671971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the -l removal thing is done by having pragmas in the header files that specify what library to link with fwiw) < 1352515494 579731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: then you do struct bar y; < 1352515499 639091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh. < 1352515500 226234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1352515508 869400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it just supports the same syntax (iirc, maybe it is actually different) if you enable the extension with a flag < 1352515534 23944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty gross yet enjoyable, like < 1352515550 859424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most gnu c extensions don't require a flag beyond -std=gnu99 or whatever, which is default < 1352515607 686715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_plan_9 is a decent introduction to Plan 9 C < 1352515627 194192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a practical one rather than one that explains why Plan 9's programming environment feels so well-designed < 1352515651 231838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right plan 9 also has a networking library that doesn't make me want to die < 1352515654 266990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice improvement over BSD sockets < 1352515656 872930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does make me want to die < 1352515675 684296 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352515923 335245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important distinction < 1352516129 370283 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352516258 812533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to die, then you should first check if you are sure, and if you are really sure then die. < 1352516271 765552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words to live by < 1352516279 666983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can they be expressed in flowchart form < 1352516292 301702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if you checked and found out that you're sure, but then didn't check that you're sure you're sure? < 1352516354 915339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then too bad you have to learn to try again, that is why you should wait a while after you sleep then you can think of that and try again < 1352516472 333149 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I'm obsessed by instruction set design < 1352516537 143922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What instruction sets do you design? < 1352516692 917445 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they're in the family of early RISCs < 1352516706 996687 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding out of order execution basically < 1352516741 548232 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trying to avoid ending up with something impossible to pipeline like the 6502 < 1352516769 999194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ARM2 instruction set OK? < 1352516792 603714 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :often the results look kinda like the ARM instruction set yes < 1352516913 471090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you send anything to Famicompo Mini vol.9? I have send some, but I won't tell you which one. < 1352516959 148504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One instruction set I want to have is some instruction set which the Checkout esolang compile into easily and have a hardware implementation (in some hardware description language) < 1352516965 142309 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, this time around I didn't care enough and didn't make anything < 1352517019 392278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you download it? < 1352517031 227085 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't really listen to it < 1352517096 717410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Famicompo? < 1352517111 712830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: NSF song competition < 1352517112 218124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Music contest involving .NSF format < 1352517118 696997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1352517130 632671 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF is music ripped from NES games < 1352517142 684657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use any number of expansions (including multiple expansions) or no expansions. < 1352517147 152248 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing it actually involves running a small NES emulator < 1352517191 351484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not always is ripped you can make up your own music using various programs such as ppMCK and FamiTracker. < 1352517224 127457 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for Famicompo you make your own song < 1352517225 293804 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352517267 780317 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually play the songs from famicompo if you have a powerpak cart... or at least, the ones that don't use expansions < 1352517299 823508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use ppMCK (although I have made various improvements to ppMCK, so now it has track questioning commands, subroutines, tail recursion, text replacement macros, custom tuning, and various other things) < 1352517301 790448 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fit in the powerpak (max 256k data I think) < 1352517305 136628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused by all the talk of instruction sets. < 1352517343 599080 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction set design is hard :o < 1352517361 638959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried in before to design instruction set. < 1352517370 537126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but is that related to chiptuning, or what < 1352517372 611839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed some instruction sets for virtual machines, though. < 1352517392 17953 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: yes < 1352517396 782976 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, NSF is < 1352517401 285830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not instruction sets :D < 1352517495 438003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used some effect with multi channels with the same notes but with different delay, duty, octave, etc? < 1352517913 997576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as in "ctfinal" the M and N channels play the same notes but with a different delay, duty, volume, and octave; same with a and channels, and the C and O channels play the same notes with no delay but they have a different waveform, and uses detune, etc < 1352518012 249602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have set up effect at the start like M @@0@v1 and N @@1@v2r16K12 and then when the notes are played like MN l4o4 ce-gc' ^1 b-2gb- ^c'^2 ce-a- ^1 g2f^8a-8 gfe-d it will use effects that are set. < 1352518016 987950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352518042 92866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352518042 457171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352518091 344935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you said you used Impulse Tracker? So you would have to program the effects differently < 1352518190 203696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to write them manually I guess, or use copy/paste < 1352519285 997166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time flash plugin crashes, take a shot < 1352519392 292038 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use fake delay and detuning and layering yes < 1352519425 743854 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use copy/paste a lot < 1352519946 206478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.salon.com/2012/11/09/white_house_obama_will_veto_any_bill_extending_tax_cuts_for_those_making_more_than_250k/singleton/ journalism < 1352519958 707298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it is by < 1352520040 855942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you program NSF effects in Impulse Tracker anyways? < 1352520051 33049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guess the wire doesn't have much capacity < 1352520110 653338 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: depends on the converter < 1352520119 526496 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 3 different converters < 1352520149 733154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you use? < 1352520166 526003 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 3 :D < 1352520180 784057 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s3m2nsf is the simples < 1352520181 274043 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1352520205 773542 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only supports VRC6, no special macros < 1352520218 820040 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply plays the s3m with the NES waveforms as the samples < 1352520251 924322 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some freak reason, s3m note frequencies and NES ones are the same < 1352520362 940147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wouldn't you still have to program in the duty of square waves? < 1352520405 132543 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply uses instrument 1,2,3,4 as duties 12%,25%,50%,75% < 1352520438 753459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although VRC6 supports different duty than 2A03 (and VRC6 also lacks 75% duty) < 1352520439 217211 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5 as triangle wave, 6 noise, 7 short noise, 8+ dpcm < 1352520463 142843 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: oh yeah forgot about those < 1352520490 955798 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how it maps the VRC6 duties but it's just instrument numbers too < 1352520557 953590 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second converter is it2nsf and it supports a lot more stuff < 1352520565 171742 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially all expansions < 1352520570 764751 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MML macros < 1352520585 615221 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to enter them in the song comments and it parses that) < 1352520617 511907 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some IT stuff like note off commands < 1352520664 248329 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :third converter is supernsf which is the one that does software mixing for multichannel PCM < 1352520900 626809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it use the MMC5 8-bit PCM? < 1352520948 132463 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunnp < 1352520949 444525 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1352520970 320897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MMC5 8-bit PCM is the only feature which ppMCK does not support. < 1352520983 277517 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernsf uses the same hw as the DPCM < 1352520988 22592 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just writes the value < 1352520997 46933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it uses 7-bit PCM, then. < 1352521001 105803 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352521372 537459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used ppMCK or any other programs to write a .NSF music other than the three you mentioned? < 1352521573 97559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like to have is program to compile MML into MOD/S3M/IT modules; do you know of any such software? < 1352521608 389328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw plan 9's rc shell is also much better than any unix shell I know of < 1352521620 738507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in terms of the language, not the interactive features, of which it has none; that's all in the terminal in plan 9) < 1352521634 44884 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just use IT + converter < 1352521654 880376 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried MML actually < 1352521776 463366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be difficult to do because you may have various features in MML which the module formats does not support, including desynchronized loops and having multiple effects running simultaneously and subroutines and various other things < 1352521791 550938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Impulse Tracker and ModPlug Tracker, but I find MML is much better. < 1352521805 155890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people don't; and that is OK you can use what you prefer. < 1352521891 267298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which expansion audio have you used in .NSF? < 1352521892 125511 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but most of these things are very rare in music < 1352521939 664881 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think the limit of having only one effect blocks many things but in real life usage it's really not that bad at all < 1352521964 112368 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most effects are either used on note on or after note on and are more or less mutually exclusive < 1352521987 27325 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :desynchronized loops in not useful in music < 1352522002 54926 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroutines I just do with copy paste < 1352522073 914417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do sometimes have some channels playing a much shorter loop than others < 1352522100 21915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is an exact multiple, it could easily be compiled into a format that does not support that, by automatically making as many copies as needed < 1352522442 15641 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be on beat < 1352522450 729720 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's all going to be powers of 2 < 1352522491 211991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the time signature could be 3/4 or something else like that < 1352522645 92886 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's much easier to listen to your song as you make it in the tracker < 1352522731 998014 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a much larger advantage that anything you'd win from subroutine stuff < 1352522743 668117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe to you it is. < 1352522764 356233 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the different between music and programming :D < 1352522809 901675 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better to copy paste a section of music < 1352522809 970722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even deaf people can write music. < 1352522852 165885 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :than to have multiple links to one piece of data < 1352522867 349778 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you copy paste it's much easier to modify it < 1352522874 342703 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without changing the other copies < 1352522965 484455 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's something you want to do a LOT < 1352522982 21996 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :variation is the key < 1352522992 395285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To you it is. To me, well, sometimes I want to make a copy with variation, but other times I don't want. < 1352523009 784331 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want variation you just copy paste < 1352523016 761764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But especially if it is a multi-channel effect I don't want to have to change everything in all channels < 1352523042 431316 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, in that case you're right < 1352523094 945172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in MML you can still copy/paste too (and use any other functions your text editor has, such as regular expressions), and I use that too. < 1352523129 237659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find it easier to write music using MML, although this is not the case for everyone. < 1352523179 827302 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's because you're a programmer < 1352523289 912956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even things specific to music such as to indicate if I want D sharp or E flat (which are the same note, but written differently), or even double sharp possibly, or to change ostinato, including short drum loops, to just write it once and have it loop < 1352523348 159151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And comments; sometimes I want to keep track of what chords I want and so on < 1352523493 176704 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to use a double sharp < 1352523521 990741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rare, but there are some cases in which such thing would be used. < 1352523570 292479 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when < 1352523576 513130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing which is rare but sometimes used is to change the time signature in different parts of the music, and what is even more rare is for the right hand and left hand to have different time signatures. < 1352523607 680522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: One case is if your key signature has sharps, and you want to raise one of those notes in one case, you would use a double sharp. < 1352523804 351637 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really only important in staff notation < 1352523819 898963 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just really when it's the most readable notation, which is very rare < 1352523961 911631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I find it easier to write music when keeping track of things such as this. < 1352523985 413869 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're a programmer < 1352524019 494044 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're punching in notes for the sound it doesn't matter if your Gm chord is G A# D < 1352524047 266030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is because I know how to write music. < 1352524065 256674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't just make up notes at random to see if it sound right. < 1352524102 781297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think of the notes I want and then put them in. < 1352524112 633526 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352524117 536729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like anyone who write music would do. < 1352524122 142741 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I do is that I think of notes < 1352524127 458712 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then try them < 1352524129 450039 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1352524134 561351 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I like it, keep < 1352524150 222236 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't like it, try to see if I can make it better < 1352524174 54002 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's easy to get "happy accidents" < 1352524183 223807 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you'll want to keep and elaborate on ofc < 1352524259 435144 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it helps when you try 2 or 3 voicings for a chord < 1352524263 947013 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chose the best one < 1352524380 401302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just think of if it is OK or not; there is no need to try it until after it is written. < 1352524416 379214 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] < 1352524447 134665 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play your stuff on a keyboard as you compose it? < 1352524451 938002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some composers are deaf they cannot listen to it at all. However, they are much better composers than I am anyways. < 1352524455 405228 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sing to yourself? < 1352524462 520145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Sometimes, but usually I just think of it. < 1352524474 74310 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's beethoven but that was a special case < 1352524513 808691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a piano but usually (not always) I find it sufficient to think of it, and using the classical musical theory. < 1352524591 858949 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory won't tell you if a melody works or not < 1352524593 389219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can often be easier when written down, though, especially the chords. < 1352524625 642139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I know, but if I can think of the melody then I could know the melody. < 1352524629 459948 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if a given progression of chord voicings don't work even tho they're correct in theory < 1352524739 388329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with chord voicings I do sometimes find it necessary to try it, although not always; the chords I may play on piano, although I may write them down on a normal musical notation; melody I can usually just think of and write using MML. < 1352524792 767430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said not always, so even when writing the chords directly using MML I will write comments so that I know what chord I want instead of having to read the notes (even when writing on paper, I write the chord symbols so I know what chords I want; this is same idea) < 1352524871 686709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually I will know that I want this voice to go up and down, and that voice to go down and up, and then work the chords around that. < 1352524975 458313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the voices may be written like separate melody or accompaniment < 1352525072 850701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know the classical music theory, and it works for me, although I usually don't need any theory to know if the melody is good. < 1352525108 642333 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know jazz theory? < 1352525121 408283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't know jazz < 1352525314 600260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister studied both classical and jazz < 1352525795 528961 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you don't listen to your stuff as you compose it, how do you know when to follow the rules and when not to? :D < 1352525865 458659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how I know, somehow I usually know, though; some other composers do too and I don't know how they know either. < 1352525918 579997 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you mix your nsf music? < 1352525928 288183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ppMCK. < 1352525963 478218 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do multiple conversions adjusting stuff each time? < 1352526069 258990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do something I realize I didn't like, then yes I will adjust something each time, but usually I don't need unless I made a mistake. Usually the first thing I would do is to write only a few bars to figure out the effects I want, and then I know what effects and the rest of the music I can write all at once since I can think of that. < 1352526354 974716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicompo Mini vol.7 has a few files in original section using multiple expansions, but in vol.9 there is only one file in original section which uses multiple expansions. < 1352526382 582136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which expansions have you used? < 1352526392 511578 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrc6, vrc7 < 1352526402 79480 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially vrc7 < 1352526469 152539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write a program to test VRC7 patches, although I wrote it a while ago before I know really how it works, so it is very unlikely to work on a real hardware and runs only on an emulator, but it is good enough for my use. < 1352526501 29624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although sometimes there is no need and I just know if I want a pure sine wave it is easy and it is not necessary to test it at first. < 1352526506 837257 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably have done the patches on adlib tracker 2 (OPL3) < 1352526514 28355 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and translated them < 1352526537 336745 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used only default patches < 1352526624 169687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it has all features of OPL3, so I don't expect that to work. < 1352526637 741869 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, using only the subset that works ofc < 1352526757 945525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a .NES file to test the VRC7 patches instead (it test both the built-in and custom patches), although what you suggest might work too. < 1352526816 501940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used VRC6 and VRC7 together? < 1352526882 887805 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352526903 405340 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mix of regular nes channels and vrc7 is already crazy enough :D < 1352526949 240795 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write more opl3 music < 1352526963 372405 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not enough opl3 specific music (using custom patches etc) < 1352526992 858786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there Csound program to emulate OPL3? < 1352527036 891148 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an OPL3 emulation in the MAME source code < 1352527082 487828 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of the features are wrong but very few people used those so in actual use (ie games on dosbox) it works < 1352527121 232415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Csound has its own programming language for writing music. < 1352527157 200222 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's why I don't use Csound < 1352527268 666774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The orchestra format is OK, but the score format seem wouldn't be very good to write music and MML would be better; but, Csound only support the numeric score. (A program could be written to convert MML to numeric score, and I might write such a program.) < 1352527309 447747 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1352527325 182990 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh you should learn to use something like ableton < 1352527331 883491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do like the Csound orchestra format. < 1352527340 765675 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reaper or cubase or fruity loops < 1352527345 212902 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or etc... < 1352527361 765441 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs that are designed for, you know, composing music < 1352527365 907141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used some of those and I find they don't help. < 1352527410 446188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you want to write your own instrument program; for this, I find Csound is very good and I have experimented with some instrument sounds using Csound. < 1352527529 906659 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather use something like synthedit for designing instruments < 1352527567 114711 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use C++ and make a nice tight VST that other ppl can use too < 1352527768 891107 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me csound is in the same category as max/msp and puredata and supercollider and whatever else < 1352527789 549771 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :toys until someone can demonstrate a serious musical use < 1352527827 202942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er max/msp is used to make actual music that people buy < 1352527859 713743 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube link < 1352527866 666979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1352527890 298416 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to a song that is actual music that people buy and that uses max/msp < 1352527906 530723 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, elliott ! hope you know your music < 1352527914 105942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a trick question where you define "actual music" as "not whatever i linked to" < 1352527919 696416 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352527939 796112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right off the top of my head i know autechre use max extensively for example < 1352527958 707111 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha yeah ok that definitely counts < 1352527972 64459 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :max costs money so probably people use it for actual things??? < 1352527979 682513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad "roi" otherwise < 1352528008 338526 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :akira yamaoka uses max, he scores video games and crap. < 1352528008 477089 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's not about the money < 1352528034 569812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't buy roi with happiness < 1352528034 711649 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad "roi" ? < 1352528038 365304 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return on investment < 1352528046 703249 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean money roi or usage roi? < 1352528052 390965 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roi roi < 1352528064 73173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like VST, although Csound can be compiled with support for VST (in both directions) if you need it. Csound can also load MIDI sequences if that would help you too. < 1352528082 976561 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with vst? < 1352528152 983378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has restrictive licensing, is Windows only, requires a GUI to use, and some others. Nevertheless Csound can use VST if it is helpful to do so. < 1352528198 84015 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows/mac < 1352528213 710515 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's like the least stupid of the plugin APIs < 1352528235 838971 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AU is like 10 times more restrictive, RTAS like 100 times < 1352528253 167269 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it does not require a GUI < 1352528286 42522 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :making GUI-less VSTs is actually really easy < 1352528296 127005 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than with a gui ofc < 1352528317 699568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes but some VSTs requires GUI. < 1352528328 902918 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that < 1352528385 701034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing much, but still, I think Csound is much better (actually Csound can use GUI too) < 1352528418 7857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still sometimes some things can be difficult to do when a GUI is required. < 1352528473 279894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does VST require a different program for Windows and Macintosh computers? < 1352528523 784384 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried compiling VSTs on macos < 1352528530 966767 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno how different < 1352528562 315788 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you don't need too much source changes and it might all be handled in the VST header stuff < 1352528595 550766 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with preprocessors) < 1352528631 909754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still you need to compile it separately on the other computer, which is not always required with Csound and Pure Data and whatever (although you still do need to if you are using native code, although probably no source changes will be needed, at least with Csound and no GUI, I think) < 1352528746 434319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find Csound is a good way to write instrument sounds. Yet if you need VST, you can use that with Csound too. < 1352528820 313643 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound makes sense for generating samples that you'll load up in a more practical composition tool imho < 1352528861 847422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that won't work so well if you need parameters, though. But if you don't need parameters, that works. < 1352528907 194973 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you load csound as a vst? < 1352528912 958789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes you can. < 1352528954 363621 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok in that case it's potentially useful < 1352528954 421670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you do that then you can use parameters too. < 1352528990 303172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can also load MIDI files in case you use a MIDI program (or external MIDI instrument) to write the music. < 1352529009 567425 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not what you want to do < 1352529018 527531 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to pipe your midi into the VST < 1352529038 587339 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your host sequencer, real time < 1352529062 916770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can do that too, whether or not you use VST. < 1352529200 994505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some front-ends available for Csound. < 1352529240 69469 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sold on the idea of front-ends < 1352529277 95247 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno for sound programs but for emulators, the ones that use front-ends are the worst < 1352529305 718177 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better to have the gui and emu code as one program < 1352529409 602656 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to locate a csound DLL I could load < 1352529471 420151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use any of the front-ends myself, but some day I may write a program to compile MML to Csound numeric score, to write music with it, as the numeric score format seems a terrible way to write any music (although some people have written music this way). < 1352529489 666840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I think there is DLL the documentation should mention it I think. < 1352529517 69590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think for VST, you need to have VST support compiled in; I don't think VST support is compiled in by default, for some reason I don't know. < 1352529531 884075 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to compile shit < 1352529537 165657 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a DLL I can play with < 1352529567 990991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can download the DLL for VST separately and it will work; I haven't checked. But the documentation does say you can use VST both ways. < 1352529735 410681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: CsoundVST is a multi-function front end for Csound, based on the Csound API. CsoundVST runs as a stand-alone graphical user interface to Csound, and it also runs as a VST instrument or effect plugin in VST hosts such as Cubase with the same user interface. CsoundVST is part of the main csound source tree, but is not included in standard distributions, due to licensing limitations of Steinberg's VST SDK. < 1352529898 394904 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352529938 992174 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1352530332 736690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that CsoundVST binaries are not available just because SourceForge does not allow it; you may be able to download it from elsewhere or to compile it yourself and host it somewhere, or whatever. < 1352530846 742613 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352531320 255665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if you want to load live MIDI data from one program to another, you can use the MIDI Yoke driver which allows this. < 1352531535 230169 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I want to avoid that kind of hacks < 1352531652 417488 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352533586 8511 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352533587 422638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352534457 200788 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1352534964 105578 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1352535091 319188 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1352535410 539739 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is your Forth adventure system still online somewhere? < 1352535567 522590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't think so. < 1352535608 1272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few things are broken and don't work properly, although I have it on my computer and if you want you can get it and correct these problems. < 1352536259 68550 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I wanted to see how it's done? :-) < 1352536397 724929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is also badly written, although I can post it here: http://sprunge.us/RUiH < 1352536452 774400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve written some very ugly Haskell code that creates a vector using destructive updates. It is in fact an imperative algorithm, not a functional one. When the initialization is over the vector is frozen using unsafeFreeze. I wrote my code using read and write functions, tested it using QuickCheck and when the tests passed I switched to unsafeRead and unsafeWrite to make my program faster. Some time later I started getting random segfaults ... < 1352536458 855698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... when running my tests. This never happened before in any of my Haskell programs so I almost panicked. At first I didn’t had a slightest idea how to even approach this problem. I suspected that this might even be a bug in GHC. < 1352537163 692725 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352537289 474428 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352537343 345285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why haskell programmers don't write tests, you know < 1352537840 260321 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead < 1352538484 376222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you tested the changed version with QuickCheck, too? < 1352538982 652228 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: http://ics.p.lodz.pl/~stolarek/blog/2012/11/how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-with-haskell/ ) < 1352539010 4057 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352539694 369523 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352540283 79714 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352540602 546002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352541225 84163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352541251 703249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Norwegian convicted of the massacre of 77 people last year has said he is being held in "inhumane" conditions. < 1352541254 885797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he is not allowed moisturiser." < 1352541260 542301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds quite terrible indeed. < 1352541285 530137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also his cell is "poorly decorated and has no view". < 1352541306 813385 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh nooooooo < 1352541319 232353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are possibly things to keep in mind next time you feel like killing 77 people; you might end up in a place where the coffee is often cold. < 1352542574 56504 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352542634 304716 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://about.me/john_metcalf < 1352543452 656324 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky PRIVMSG #esoteric :/away < 1352543913 209252 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352545276 950594 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352545696 761366 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1352547053 276589 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352548815 182767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352551390 93386 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352551730 105933 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352552568 653732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352552600 174846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have received 87 new messages" < 1352552601 808954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1352553730 999569 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352554625 52868 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352554819 2995 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352555347 345193 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352557258 8123 :neostream!~neostream@180.241.146.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352557411 234507 :neostream!~neostream@180.241.146.38 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1352557956 71236 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352559493 876757 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1352559521 117041 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1352560174 863618 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352561394 999402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352561763 849972 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352561824 1835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352561951 684228 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1352562060 900451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys should i get the prison architect alpha or wait < 1352565129 291826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352567098 881203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352568205 711676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352569271 26978 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352569355 4841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352570368 675313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Best Groupon Deal Ever: 86.2% Off On GRPN at NASDAQ" < 1352570876 304989 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advice: writing a library in Haskell for interfacing with Tumblr is NOT a productive use of time. < 1352570882 264704 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it can prove educational. < 1352570907 87170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the lesson, apis for web 3.0 services suck? < 1352570980 799454 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More "these are some good http libraries for Haskell" < 1352571000 390309 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's how to stop them redirecting on a 301 error" < 1352571040 158218 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :301 isn't an error. < 1352571101 87074 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It caused errors :( < 1352571174 598051 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that a page has moved. an http client is supposed to request the page moved to to finish the request. < 1352571202 522220 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when it's used in the Tumblr API, it isn't < 1352571239 139704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings us back to my proposed lesson. < 1352571247 125478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "Here's some info about the image, but look! The image is actually here!" < 1352571249 303410 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1352571250 526822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it mean in tumblr? < 1352571253 218375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1352571298 460501 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1352572581 865837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352572714 972078 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352572977 874777 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352573803 74633 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is over 24 hours of Homestuck music < 1352573866 122109 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make it about 26 hours < 1352574005 48504 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a silly webcomic only 3 years old, that's a lot < 1352574006 815429 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1352574013 857392 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, for a webcomic that's a lot < 1352574018 834215 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact in fact, that's a lot < 1352574154 524644 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The superlative doesn't need narrowing < 1352574208 916461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, according to QI, horses are the deadliest animals in australia < 1352574492 744304 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352574741 825856 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1352575006 370679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's disappointing < 1352575583 51737 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352575850 411902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352575875 51056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352575963 619378 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352576481 48863 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352576607 730732 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352576640 440543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but i thought the deadliest animal was... man < 1352576651 874825 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in Tasmania < 1352576673 21977 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352576697 348565 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1352576784 71013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taz is the most dangerous animal in tasmania, silly < 1352576787 71407 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352576892 224502 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1352576901 844133 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1352577153 220042 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1352578187 70318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352578247 608270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352578752 854406 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352578982 544902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches the new My Little Pony
< 1352578993 613646 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blaming Gregor for this. < 1352579012 837985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's more the fault of meatspace people. < 1352579015 225800 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you excuse me, I've got some Adventure Time to be watching. < 1352579019 321117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's next. < 1352579106 999885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SPOILARZ: They all die. < 1352579118 794690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And suddenly, an 11 episode funeral! < 1352579617 552199 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird, but I am a *lot* more comfortable watching MLP now that I came ultra-mega-hyper-out. < 1352579641 54181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lawl, that's gay" "Yup, I like cock so much I'm dating a woman with one. Problem? *trollface*" < 1352579647 331764 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1352579693 49378 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you implying FIM isn't for heterosexual men < 1352579717 192478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just that I had slight latent fears of being accused of being gay. < 1352579730 618924 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of actually not being heterosexual. < 1352579773 486828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I've just had rough experiences with people IRL being dicks, and not in the sense that I like. :P < 1352579781 6786 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is coming ultra-mega-hyper-out much different from coming regular-plain-ol'-out? < 1352579809 254966 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes, it's about 3 times as much outness. < 1352579814 303656 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means pkhq is dating a transsexual pony, apparently < 1352579817 229185 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1352579826 855034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a pony. < 1352579837 944878 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it involves screaming unto the heaven while volcanoes erupt and cities crumble < 1352579859 345852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I managed to inform people that I'm bisexual atheist dating a trans woman, not heterosexual Christian single. < 1352579910 143006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last, I would've just neglected to mention the trans bit, and it would've been merely twice-out or such, except it's a bit hard to be *discrete* when she's only started working on her voice.) < 1352580183 726901 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you mean "discreet", not "discrete" < 1352580195 415811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do. < 1352580198 604771 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're trying to say that her voice forces you to be continuous ;) < 1352580218 865376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I usually use the math word, so I sometimes slip up when using the "normal" word. :) < 1352580256 282759 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your voice is so bad, it makes me thrice differentiable!" < 1352580261 60019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1352580446 169616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not so much "bad" as it is "it's very much male". < 1352580462 413153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiich is a dead giveaway, isn't it? < 1352580561 970275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily. < 1352580593 766537 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many cis women who speak in a baritone. < 1352580687 896957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a man with long hair, I can assure you that people are more stupid than you can possibly imagine. < 1352580713 896116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uhhh, ma'am?" "I'm at a urinal, you FUCKING IMBECILE" < 1352580726 171067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I *have* experienced that. < 1352580735 785006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not a man with long hair, but was for several years
< 1352580754 549409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was awesome turning around. < 1352580766 987495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh, ma'am?" *turns around* "Ah, sorry." < 1352580774 349687 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had an epic beard for the latter half of that. < 1352580793 121028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have... a scruffy goatee. And it's kinda generous to call it a goatee X-D < 1352580919 586963 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, I've got a maybe a couple weeks' growth full beard. < 1352580947 468549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My scruffy goatee is several month's growth full beard. < 1352580955 881674 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just that manly* < 1352580972 358637 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several month's growth on me is a UNIX beard. < 1352580998 152000 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :several months growth on me is a light fuzz < 1352581093 521089 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352581261 771458 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1352581329 71841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Have you considered being more manly? < 1352581417 647061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several months growth for me is a light fuzz on the upper lip. < 1352581424 855237 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a scruffy goatee on the chin. < 1352581430 24934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a few days... < 1352581749 29627 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nope < 1352582092 354002 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352582537 372062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only been mistaken as a lady (from behind) a few rare times. Once at a beach by a drunken man, that was probably the most memorable of them. < 1352582560 251174 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty rare if you're tall. < 1352582567 869187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not that many 6' women walking around. < 1352582588 258088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I more commonly was mistaken for a grad student. < 1352582654 289888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was funny. "No, no, I'm a freshman." < 1352582669 89207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not terribly tall, I think 180.5 cm was the official measurement at some routine health checkup last. I suppose that's like 5'11". < 1352582689 700421 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a man, that's slightly above average. For a woman, that's rather tall. < 1352582805 441001 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352582814 472423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife's brother (one of them) and father are something like 6'3" or more; she's probably less than an inch shorter than me. They've certainly got the length genes. < 1352582834 652571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new kind of audio waveform synthesis "IDFX" synthesis, which uses four parameters "initial AND gate", "duty", "final AND gate", "XOR gate". < 1352582919 165122 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been mistaken for female a few times < 1352582924 655161 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I had a stupid moustache < 1352583003 57234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will work like w[t]=(((t&I)^-(t It's only been 25 years since the APA stopped viewing homosexuality as a disease. < 1352584949 707422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that initially supported by the gay community? < 1352584978 208689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because at least having homosexuality being classed as something innate was some kind of improvement. < 1352585003 293518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than it being illegal, I suppose < 1352585059 150394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was used as justification for curing the gay. < 1352585137 505487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't they just criminalising it before? < 1352585169 867347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only became legal nation-wide in the 2003. < 1352585190 10823 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the SCOTUS ruled that sodomy laws were unconstitutional. < 1352585205 113890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby legalizing it in 14 states. < 1352585223 533325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anal sex between straight couples was illegal too? < 1352585230 141379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1352585307 617301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that something they were deliberately trying to do or just a side-effect? < 1352585319 728745 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deliberately trying to do. < 1352585331 486067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 3 states *still* have such laws on the books. < 1352585343 810321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dumb that we even have to care as a society whether homosexuality is "innate" or not < 1352585344 77662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the others repealed on the notion that it was just embarassing now) < 1352585396 436739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it speaks to the fact that our legal system is still based on fear of divine judgement, rather than assessing harm to others or lack thereof < 1352585448 704164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news obama has finally won florida as well < 1352585501 993206 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1352585551 588431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which 3 < 1352585554 587605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay florida did not matter :) < 1352585566 629445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas. < 1352585589 311080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact he would have won without OH, FL, *or* VA < 1352585798 487402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would you say this election was more entertaining than the last < 1352585807 801831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not < 1352585827 431122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time we had an epic democratic nomination fight < 1352585843 344841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i made a considerable amount of money betting on < 1352585870 629629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the republican nominee last time was someone who had been written off as dead early on < 1352585875 145599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither of them was an incumbent < 1352585913 615541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was unusual and history-making in a bunch of ways < 1352585915 149960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352585920 297011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new states coming into play, etc < 1352585932 194100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i got really drunk on election night 2008 so yeah < 1352585936 400827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more entertaining < 1352585994 605578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. by "epic" i mean "actually epic" and not "internet word for kind of interesting" < 1352586229 246746 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "epic" as in "my five-volume poetical envisioning is already at the press", right < 1352586249 791886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would read that < 1352586254 914566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually an opera < 1352586260 30405 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes indeed < 1352586272 293884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with barack obama and hillary clinton singing in italian < 1352586282 497906 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terza rima the whole way through < 1352586297 902761 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic (from the Ancient Greek adjective ἐπικός (epikos), from ἔπος (epos) "word, story, poem"[1]) < 1352586313 146375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they speak Italian? < 1352586327 653610 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352586332 519104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just have to get copies of Teach Yourself Italian in 24 Hours For Dummies < 1352586400 342067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, then. < 1352586482 938746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think /([-+])([0-9]*)(d[0-9]+|)(g-?[0-9]+|)([dk][hl][0-9]*|)/ is OK for dice rolling specification or do you think some features have been missed? < 1352586485 41897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1352586532 810008 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't [-+] be optional? < 1352586554 317961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying things about mailman: I tried to send a message through a mailing list I administered < 1352586564 31525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it adds a + to the beginning implicitly so it is already optional for the first term only. < 1352586571 481220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it told me there were too many names on the To: line and that it had been held for moderation, and a separate email asking me to moderate it < 1352586575 461872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For other terms it is required. < 1352586589 538339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: [-+] looks rather like an infinite loop, if it does anything at all < 1352586605 249437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: regex, not brainfuck :P < 1352586627 969962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write the regex as [+-], for consistency in escaping character classes < 1352586633 704629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want ] in a character class it has to come at the start < 1352586637 152361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and - has to come at one of the ends < 1352586649 120569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put the - at the right end out of habit in order to avoid clashes < 1352586651 583520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1352586674 6819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, I'm supposed to ask you about Feather < 1352586674 55709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, something that matches BF comments is [^][<>,.+-] < 1352586680 96748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, don't < 1352586691 172256 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1352586691 684620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the summary is, it was originally an attempt at a serious esolang < 1352586695 281114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I got mad thinking about it < 1352586705 635783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it became an inside joke (the joke being "ais523 refuses to talk about Feather") < 1352586714 993060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. shrewd < 1352586715 799532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK but that still doesn't completely answer my question (it only partially) < 1352586716 280202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hey, I'm supposed to ask you about Feather <-- hah < 1352586724 638543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nobody else really seems to understand the language < 1352586734 417621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't either, but I understood it more than other people before it drove me crazy and I stopped < 1352586742 827365 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you're going to tell me that i don't have to write a eodermdrome interpreter < 1352586748 167383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you gave it up for good? < 1352586749 687445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1352586764 136372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Feather involved retroactive changes to the interpreter of the language iirc < 1352586764 553099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1352586773 964757 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty exciting < 1352586776 808375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an eodermdrome interp would be great, go for it < 1352586783 744335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't < 1352586793 312078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, I've got the subgraph isomorphism check thing down < 1352586795 917605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you don't *have* to do anything, that is up to you < 1352586809 392189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yay < 1352586816 825150 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Feather article could use some links to relevant portions of the channel logs < 1352586818 319999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm pretty sure I was told that it was a rite of passage, and otherwise I'd be left to the brainfuck wolves < 1352586829 610268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I was asking about the logs. since there's nine years in the topic. < 1352586856 28105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to design a hardware and instruction set which makes certain things possible to do efficiently, including run Checkout programs, decode open source audio/video codecs, and emulate the Famicom APU and PPU. < 1352586856 365124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently I was poking at the edges of the problem that a Feather interpreter must be entirely written in Feather, also you must be able to interpret a Feather program through an arbitrarily large stack of Feather interpreters with only a constant performance penalty (that is, constant time added, not constant factor multiplied) < 1352586869 74970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is… not really a trivial problem < 1352586903 749184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a software like teamspeak but that is open source? < 1352586917 540651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more tractable if you force Feather programs to have a property that's a bit like totality but stronger < 1352586931 166949 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like like that 900-page 3-lisp thesis i've never been able to read < 1352586935 732425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite stack of interpreters that is < 1352586943 938385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather does this sort of thing all the time < 1352586950 110990 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've heard of Mumble, but haven't tried it < 1352586952 514565 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1352586954 410807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yeah, I was asking about the logs. since there's nine years in the topic. <-- better start reading! < 1352586955 338295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no wonder that I got confused < 1352586959 949708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, thanks, will look into that < 1352586991 179370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the larger problem, which I don't really know how to solve, is trying to determine, after a retroactive change to the fundamentals of the entire universe, which object before the change corresponds to which object afterwards) < 1352587012 364238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why does it require a constant performance penality? < 1352587020 268979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody said it had to be fast < 1352587020 315633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone here know something about design of such hardware and instruction set? < 1352587030 754960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does OpenCores have any such things? < 1352587046 78273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for everything except the 2,3 machine, I consider terminating before the heat death of the universe to be a desirable property < 1352587048 758795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for testing < 1352587055 143143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1352587068 140166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the 2,3 machine proof I managed to test each of the parts individually, and in pairs and threes and fours < 1352587076 32881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fives was beyond the ability of my computer < 1352587090 773221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how much beyond? < 1352587100 183339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many orders of magnitude < 1352587107 762283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1352587114 449198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about O(2^(2^n)) performance here < 1352587122 306645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1352587122 712512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where ^ is exponentiation, not bitwise xor) < 1352587127 274146 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intense < 1352587138 255675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as it isn't up arrow I'm happy :P < 1352587144 562277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the least practical computational orders I've ever seen :) < 1352587206 677409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, Wolfram was insisting that the machine in question might be useful for implementing DNA computers and such < 1352587214 899850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with this construction, at least, it won't be :) < 1352587248 684510 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1352587272 280152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I realised for the first time when I met him in person was that he hadn't actually read or understood the proof < 1352587279 822495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, one of the rapid transit lines in new york has reopened with two stations deliberately closed to avoid dangerous overcrowding < 1352587280 155702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just cared about the page hits from it < 1352587304 727454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1352587329 130594 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which ones? < 1352587331 286751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or whatever the less web-specific version of page hits is < 1352587333 639334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of what? < 1352587337 345524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea exposure, or whatever < 1352587358 202607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://wolframprize.com < 1352587366 622368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ais523's proof that the 2,3 machine is TC < 1352587366 799732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: sets a cookie on every image load, I /hate/ sites that do that) < 1352587374 113717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: PATH from Journal Square to 33rd St; Christopher St and 9th St stations are closed < 1352587381 165801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang, that was you? < 1352587391 313004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh is THAT what causes firefox to go crazy? < 1352587396 750181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered < 1352587403 176613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not the only cause, but it's the most common < 1352587409 628908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, people didn't believe it for a while < 1352587411 730640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does firefox handle it in such a stupid way < 1352587415 587667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure chrome does not < 1352587431 387740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because technically speaking they're separate requests < 1352587432 982756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just assume that I'm talking to an alex smith lookalike then < 1352587443 538479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah but it is not a sensible way to handle it < 1352587450 418079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO choosing deny should deny cookies for all indirect loads from the page, until the next refresh < 1352587458 328618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should read English As She Is Spoke sometime < 1352587463 488744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it explicit with a "deny for session" link < 1352587472 114618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it should collapse the stack of when I check the checkbox to always deny < 1352587473 764002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1352587480 601213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse is things that set cookies on a timer, though < 1352587493 233433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly that happens as the result of adverts or mouseover effects) < 1352587496 86129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :by js? < 1352587500 977708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352587510 521718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noscript so yeah I wouldn't notice < 1352587512 575121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it with meta refresh too but nobody does < 1352587512 754421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also adblokc < 1352587515 751854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock* < 1352587532 269196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, holding down alt-d works and is a huge improvement over trying to close all the windows manually < 1352587550 130357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as they have to be closed in the correct order, and all overlap each other on the same point of the screen < 1352587573 659015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352587620 562620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is plotting to connect an Arduino to his gas stove; what could go wrong?
< 1352587676 380413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh < 1352587682 780105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is not clear, for instance, whether one should allow a Thue-Morse sequence in the initial conditions. In most cases, it should nevertheless be fairly obvious whether something should be considered a valid encoding for a universal system. But in general there is no firmly established criterion. < 1352587687 249442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was written before the proof < 1352587689 263523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how prophetic < 1352587691 201062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I should get a raspberry pi at some point < 1352587697 968319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: obviously some kind of gas explosion < 1352587713 927018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, didn't people stop using gas stoves along with the introduction of electricity? < 1352587733 583538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, in Sweden, pretty much yes < 1352587743 925703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still very popular in the USA < 1352587747 39365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in UK I believe they remained popular for some time < 1352587753 320425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably US < 1352587775 646694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they provide much faster control of temperature < 1352587782 702969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're still popular here < 1352587787 194250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more even heating (depending) < 1352587792 909338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both the house I live in and the house I'm currently online from, there's a gas stove < 1352587794 508284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but yeah in Sweden I only seen gas stoves in places without electricity, like my grandparent's kollonistuga (whatever that is in English...) < 1352587811 870786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty popular in houses that are gas heated anywhere < 1352587814 597894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, even more than induction furnaces? < 1352587829 607959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the issue is I don't think there are any gas heated houses either here < 1352587849 322934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil sure, but gas? < 1352587849 929494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about induction furnaces < 1352587860 780068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not furnace, stove < 1352587871 353456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about minecraft and messed it up XD < 1352587871 871966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think in some areas of the US, natural gas is much cheaper than electricity for this purpose < 1352587874 156026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gas is almost as important as electricity in the UK < 1352587890 856293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I heard you even have gas lines in the streets over there < 1352587892 401553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is partly because natural gas is one of the few fossil fuels that the UK (mostly Scotland) has that are usable for heating < 1352587894 151910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds crazy < 1352587902 902614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, every now and then they dig up the streets to repair them < 1352587918 789695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like with electricity and water and (sometimes) telephone < 1352587925 145761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it sounds terribly unsafe to have those in the street, what happens if they leak? < 1352587932 173320 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotment_(gardening) < 1352587935 261447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also where would the telephone be if not in the street? < 1352587939 430372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right < 1352587952 524971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then the leak is typically quickly detected < 1352587961 597390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: small leaks outside are not that much of a problem, it will dissipate and not build up concentration < 1352587964 900773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hrrm < 1352587965 270995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they detect and fix leaks < 1352587970 786584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity is also quite dangerous if it "leaks" < 1352587988 284880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every year a few people are electrocuted by touching streetlight poles or manhole covers that have mistakenly become electrically live < 1352587989 607170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a chemical added to the gas so that people can smell it < 1352587996 14390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1352587996 753494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much everyone (well over half the population) recognises it < 1352588003 958216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural gas fires/explosions are a particular concern in earthquakes < 1352588007 393126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you smell a small amount of it whenever anyone lights an oven < 1352588014 53374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an emergency number for gas leaks < 1352588023 992923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the UK, at least, is particularly tectonically stable < 1352588035 587254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, are you sure we two didn't travel back in time somehow relative to the rest of the world? < 1352588050 129339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a few years ago, there was a large gas odoriser leak < 1352588055 217160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it caused chaos with all the false positives < 1352588065 775692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some sort of accident at a factory that was manufacturing gas odoriser) < 1352588086 958028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352588105 49405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: different parts of the world live in different so-called "time zones" < 1352588144 449360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah, that must be it < 1352588198 74473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a gas oven where we lived back when I was (more of) a child. < 1352588276 48493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a leak -- I forget the details -- and I was home alone, and like somewhere between six-to-eight years old, and I had been told not to go outside alone, but it was so smelly inside, due to that leak. < 1352588314 873206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my parents came home, they found me standing inside the apartment but with my head outside in the stairway; they asked me what on earth I was doing, and I apparently replied that it's too smelly inside. < 1352588344 332662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I have been told, they were kind of relieved-shocked-scared after realizing what had been going n. < 1352588365 105062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punchline is that there was no gas leak, you had just been farting a tremendous amount < 1352588369 104495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you open a window? < 1352588393 850715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know. I don't really remember any of this, I've just heard about it afterwards. < 1352588399 126936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's a good or bad thing to do when you have a gas leak < 1352588400 792965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some friends of mine (mathematicians all) lived in a house with a gas fireplace < 1352588411 477961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to turn it on but lacked necessary tools so they went at it with pliars and a blowtorch < 1352588425 586445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound more like engineers < 1352588426 967345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this created a persistent gas leak in the living room, which was noticed by all but not really deemed to be a problem < 1352588429 863733 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were never heard from again < 1352588442 326054 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1352588444 978380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to take gas leaks seriously around here < 1352588445 739495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, how bout that gas leak?" "yup." "someone should do something about it" < 1352588451 887298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also they install carbon monoxide detectors < 1352588457 774152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allow for another common malfunction < 1352588462 361406 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that konqueror supports ^u and hjkl? < 1352588463 798147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this went on for a few weeks until one of their girlfriends visited the house and she was like "uh, you guys are idiots" < 1352588476 935129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how very peculiar the rest of the world seems to be < 1352588487 647370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it also will give a keybinding to as many links on the page as it can if you press and release control < 1352588490 518788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The backlight of this (win7) laptop just turned to maximum brightness, and the (probably GPU) fan started to go on like anything. Also everything went kind of bright. < 1352588501 761541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like some sort of total failure of ACPI < 1352588505 745093 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know < 1352588509 648758 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1352588509 905158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1352588513 459718 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1352588527 230765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kind of weird. Perhaps I should rebootsen. < 1352588544 506287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^u? What does that do? < 1352588547 452804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a vim user < 1352588559 268204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, if ACPI is that broken, weird stuff might happen on the reboot attempt < 1352588560 615684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since hjkl is vi(m) I assume so is ^u < 1352588568 992841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, let us know what happened when you come back < 1352588571 199377 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is emacs/shell keybindig. empties current line < 1352588578 504590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bringing up the "NVIDIA Control Panel" made the brightness go back to normal and the fan quiet down. < 1352588590 5064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hjkl is NetHack, and control-u moves north-east as much as possible < 1352588597 524184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, so some sort of GPU reset, perhaps? < 1352588603 526410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the display flicker briefly, but I don't recall whether the control panel always does that.) < 1352588604 985363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, I use numpad in nethack < 1352588618 531093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think NetHack took those keys from vi(m) < 1352588625 696863 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also I think readline (or what was it called. bash and irssi use it) has it. < 1352588636 827827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: indeed < 1352588658 39529 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hjkl is from ex < 1352588661 192904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hmm, I use C-a C-k to empty the current line in Emacs (and that also works in bash, at least) < 1352588673 972899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^U < 1352588686 822111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that a capital U specifically? < 1352588698 348165 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^u and ^U do the same < 1352588701 605402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never can tell with keybindings < 1352588715 976429 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2 most significant bits of 7 bit ascii char are cut out < 1352588720 689177 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1352588748 627214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: not on /every/ possible control combo < 1352588753 326433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's the case with most of them < 1352588761 157033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-? for instance < 1352588763 605661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASCII 127) < 1352588792 598512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's capital U because that's how ^ works :P < 1352588804 586799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I use C- notation :P < 1352588815 796318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'U' < 1352588817 480698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\NAK' < 1352588819 244774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control '@' < 1352588821 35681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\NUL' < 1352588822 180133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'u' < 1352588824 197545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '5' < 1352588828 560941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so ^u would be 5 < 1352588832 437044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you: it is not 5 < 1352588843 609051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'U' < 1352588845 250028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\NAK' < 1352588853 500852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did that < 1352588868 544937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes two of us < 1352588892 665394 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two... < 1352588895 725761 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is company < 1352588903 685241 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^s < 1352588910 5073 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^r < 1352588913 81879 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1352588927 191421 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^s is xoff but I have never heard or ^r < 1352589052 823288 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what context? in shells it's usually reverse-incremental-search < 1352589074 700480 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1352589084 361307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^yarr < 1352589084 989978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartly me lass < 1352589098 966973 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1352589113 860515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, what is the usual mapping of history-search-backward and history-search-forward < 1352589119 358727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use my own custom mappings for them < 1352589124 648462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I forget what the default ones are < 1352589178 910979 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what those do < 1352589245 329893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bash (according to the readline parts of the man page) doesn't have a default binding. < 1352589260 146003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, allow you to step to the previous/next line in history that matches the currently written line. So if I write cd f (which is how I have it bound) it will go to, say "cd foo" then on PgUp again to "cd faa" or whatever was done before that < 1352589266 935618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super-usefuk < 1352589269 851321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful* < 1352589295 791717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do that with reverse-incremental-search, generally. < 1352589306 93138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly due to laziness. < 1352589315 351619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does that work, it isn't something I ever used < 1352589350 948462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You type ^r first, and then 'cd f'; it will keep incrementally-updating the search result. < 1352589358 833116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can keep tapping ^r to go further back. < 1352589368 391958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you went to far, what do you hit then < 1352589373 641984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go forward one step < 1352589374 540567 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352589377 142526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly what. :p < 1352589380 515553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352589408 312533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have to say that history-search-backward/history-search-forward seems like slightly less typing to me < 1352589475 573881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you do "foo", would it match e.g. "cd foo"? < 1352589484 964496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cd f" has the same number of typed characters as "cd f". < 1352589495 272017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ISTR zsh bound going forward to whatever Emacs uses for going down a line. < 1352589497 670128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no it is bound to the start of the line < 1352589504 924556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm a bash user < 1352589520 471568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure ^R would match that < 1352589524 554383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was C-s. < 1352589533 162778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The incremental search matches anywhere in the line, yes. < 1352589534 62260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, right, and if I don't want that? < 1352589543 51400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sometimes useful; sometimes not. < 1352589559 258080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C-r support regexp? < 1352589566 958009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just put ^ in front or such < 1352589579 372816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You type ^r first, and then 'cd f'; it will keep incrementally-updating the search result. < 1352589582 867284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, it's ^R < 1352589585 810286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same :( < 1352589600 562697 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the zsh version does, apparently < 1352589606 132820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it is C-Shift-r? < 1352589618 166486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody zsh < 1352589621 902942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1352589627 712699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, ^R is C-r. < 1352589628 21439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^R means press control and the R key < 1352589629 268842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical. < 1352589632 685979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1352589634 409377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^X means X - '@' < 1352589637 775051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 'X' - '@' < 1352589640 667351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what does ^r mean? < 1352589641 378460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what a terminal sends < 1352589645 853625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^r means something nonsense < 1352589648 332938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr (ord 'r' - ord '@') < 1352589650 165365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '2' < 1352589651 403445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^r is 2 < 1352589673 267388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you type ^r? < 1352589675 827937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "UI" of the search is also sometimes somehow iffy; you can keep typing things, but if there are no matches, the input doesn't show up; yet it "exists" in that backspace removes it before it affects the visible part. < 1352589680 61641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by pressing 2 < 1352589687 326424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1352589731 756496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I guess it is nice having both that and the history search style I'm in love with, for different occasions < 1352589806 249002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash/readline incremental search doesn't seem to support anything else than just plain (unanchored) string match, sadly. < 1352589809 985920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recommendation for your inputrc if pgup/pgdown is easy to reach on your keyboard (as it is on my laptop): < 1352589810 734233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\e[5~": history-search-backward < 1352589810 884432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\e[6~": history-search-forward < 1352589914 445631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using "sprunge" to pull up a "curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" command line, because I somehow can't seem to manage to be bothered to make an alias/a script for that. I do it so often that it always seems to be in the history; the fact that I can reach it with that is probably the reason I still haven't managed to make that command. < 1352589964 883920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a vicious circle.) < 1352589973 483343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am the exact same < 1352589974 601602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1352589979 72035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never thought i'd meet someone with that problem < 1352590008 285916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. I've just had ~/local/bin/sprunge for ages. < 1352590028 848100 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try shell that doesn't save history in a file :P < 1352590030 541538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I also have ~/local/bin so.... < 1352590031 197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have an alias < 1352590033 295090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had that at home for quite a while, it's just the workstation at wrk that's the problematical one. < 1352590033 632739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, had < 1352590040 312845 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when was the last time you actually met someone < 1352590068 321122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do have a ~/local/bin/ at work, it's not like I couldn't just type "scp ~/local/bin/sprunge james:local/bin/" at home once and get it done. < 1352590071 469286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: 1992 when i died irl < 1352590076 47596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now atriq that's below the belt < 1352590081 534288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, omg you died too?? < 1352590084 518055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352590095 331143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been hoping to meet a fellow member of the dead community for so long! < 1352590100 330215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I even typed it as a part of that comment, just not in the right place.) < 1352590594 443603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, perhaps the Web would be better off if images couldn't set cookies < 1352590605 939062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of one legitimate use for that, and it's workaroundable < 1352590776 795258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which use < 1352590953 351731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wikimedia's unified login thing < 1352590964 883059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for setting cookies on all the domain names they use when you log in < 1352590975 217454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could use iframes for that instead, though < 1352590996 42188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a huge redirect chain, I guess < 1352591820 935213 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352591825 999919 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric