< 1352852443 741435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can use > for half an x < 1352852525 594500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, obviously it would be better to have rationals, as pairs of x's. or hell, throw in dedekind cuts < 1352852681 353475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surreals? < 1352852704 120037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better! < 1352852802 562804 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, we can do even better than that < 1352852804 802436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surcomplex numbers < 1352852825 802781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean surreal x surreal < 1352852843 524800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even a thing? < 1352852853 45920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1352852854 178884 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it is < 1352852906 65601 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou can keep going to quasurnions and so on, then... probablly rather pointless < 1352853279 496367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does news.bbc.co.uk serve a different page to American IPs, or is it actually the case that British news is mostly about America? < 1352853369 343854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the headlines below the petraeus thing seem american from here... < 1352853439 695608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the admiral thing, but that's it < 1352853449 489917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the stuff down the page as well < 1352853455 774205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have this impression because the election just happened < 1352853472 427013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has a Sandy headline... relating to Haiti! < 1352853503 21760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the petraeus thing is getting pretty weird < 1352853504 392356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The White House backs Gen John Allen after reports he "flirted" with a woman who was harassed by the lover of CIA Director David Petraeus." < 1352853551 159814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john allen revealed be estranged clone of petraeus's uncle < 1352853567 281064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1352853632 145528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tim allen declines to comment < 1352853658 351981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : so does news.bbc.co.uk serve a different page to American IPs, or is it actually the case that British news is mostly about America? < 1352853660 424115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what page are you getting < 1352853666 859790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is almost certainly the latter) < 1352853674 994744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(news everywhere is mostly about america) < 1352853724 105305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay we're #1 < 1352853741 817693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 in sex scandals, dubious wars, and confusing elections < 1352853801 142899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is actually just a channel 4 reality show < 1352853803 661149 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the petraeus thing has security breaches involved, which would be a nice change from sex scandals (so probably won't happen) < 1352853806 41684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in exceptionally poor taste < 1352853823 614372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if taneb had a scandal < 1352854099 34748 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1352854751 166083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352854897 498605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a | (b << 1) packs two bits together right < 1352854918 494434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually never mind < 1352854950 761318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so rusty with bitwise stuff < 1352854985 81991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay I have a new question < 1352855004 298840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I read a byte a, and then a byte b < 1352855015 518413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do (a << 8) | (b & 0x00FF) < 1352855020 736667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1352855021 729007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious < 1352855032 552502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am dumb < 1352855198 460116 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352855457 110965 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into dust into head < 1352855468 275778 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into wisdom into bed < 1352855558 642104 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYDlBVWja50 < 1352855656 749247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352855689 830188 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliottdroog < 1352855693 901377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottdroog < 1352856012 326814 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352857024 869003 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352857387 598211 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352857686 572081 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352858287 164351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTTON, BUTTON; MAGIC MUSIC; THE KNIGHT OF THE WHISTLE; MY < 1352858339 360772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352858659 604429 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352860248 734145 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352860274 545816 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352860300 86005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1352860326 767928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1352860939 702444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352861372 67611 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :arabcoffee < 1352861401 673939 :arabcoffee!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1352861864 160863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Csound plugin to play Impulse Tracker instruments? < 1352861981 831941 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352862001 317891 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the GIL I hate the GIL I hate the GIL < 1352863326 162292 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352863366 157087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352863379 854247 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352864004 636999 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be the GIL's fault apparently < 1352864008 252148 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tears out more hair < 1352864117 186637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352864624 497928 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1352864862 399915 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1352864970 785991 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is going I can feel it < 1352865157 965416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1352865715 853448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at you hacker < 1352865720 297332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pathetic creature of meat and bone < 1352865727 87443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :panting and sweating as you run through my corridors < 1352865743 258882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine? < 1352865775 296706 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little does shodan realize that parts of her network interface were written in php < 1352865847 422090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1352865868 347138 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if you're referencing the game I think you're referencing, I've played it < 1352865913 574422 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott update < 1352865974 877399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqypatching < 1352866021 738450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352866040 811536 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352866756 496581 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1352867458 539653 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352869493 854796 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we know that there's only one standard model of the natural numbers, anyway... < 1352869561 448635 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's been proven, in ZFC or something, that there is only one computable model, and that this model is also the only well-ordered model. < 1352869687 45602 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352869693 656183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1352869957 91506 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it argued that there are, in fact, multiple standard models of the natural numbers. The two most prominent are the positional numeral system, and unary. < 1352870048 880004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The argument says that we have no particular reason to think that these two systems are isomorphic. < 1352870074 709652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like lenses < 1352870086 5748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it depend on if you extend them to infinite? < 1352870086 216949 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the number 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 can be written in the positional system, but not in unary. < 1352870087 709791 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you trying to get me to do a thing? I won't do it < 1352870136 993623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "do i" have "a reputation" < 1352870156 175790 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... I guess is true for concrete, physical tally marks, but not for abstract theoretical ones. < 1352870156 713804 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt lens, trying to get people to do a thing < 1352870190 261394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so how are you applying this to a new esolang < 1352870194 740455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Same I was thinking of too. < 1352870235 49176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think since you have to use abstract theoretical ones in mathematics, even though you cannot actually write it, you can use a different representation for convenience. < 1352870250 359849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I call it Fuckfuck. It's just like Brainfuck, except you're limited to 28,000 cells. < 1352870265 11559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuckfuck" is already taken < 1352870279 181907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "hi" taken < 1352870279 543406 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll call it Fuckball. < 1352870294 470174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new esolang from monqy < 1352870350 918985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352870599 526594 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, an esolang based on the ultrafinitistic idea that there is no bijection between positional numerals and unary numerals. < 1352870650 726566 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1352870686 282878 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, the esolang should be incapable of taking a positional numeral and producing the corresponding unary numeral. < 1352870758 358586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do anything else ? < 1352870772 599872 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does something other than being incapable of that, yes. < 1352870834 759120 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this usually done? The obvious way to do it is via recursion. To unarize a long numeral, start by unarizing all but the last digit, n times. < 1352870884 657606 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we should prohibit that kind of recursion. < 1352870941 827899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just add. int i,tot=0;for(i=0;i Well, I think the person who runs esolangs.org is in here sometimes. < 1352875171 258103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the "ESOtropic TERriers International Conglomeration", often abbreviated ESOTERIC, from which the claim for a primary channel came from? < 1352875171 611206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am never in here < 1352875198 708289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: kick elliott < 1352875214 270872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't kick him, he's not in here. < 1352875236 386469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses! < 1352875245 310196 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ncurses! < 1352875308 898059 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352875310 459179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat and double drat! < 1352875337 362066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-precision rational. < 1352875359 815917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-double precision rational < 1352875376 219346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct drat { double num, den; }; /* best number format */ < 1352875378 939011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ratio of double floats could be innovative < 1352875504 208751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some) C compilers on PPC have a double-double "long double". < 1352875542 20014 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmucl has double-double-floats. i have no idea why, because it has hardware support nowhere < 1352875650 484065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than a double, yet not as slow as a generic arbitrary-precision soft-float, perhaps. < 1352875690 268184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double double animal style < 1352875707 423687 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have arbitrary precision floats. the mystery deepens < 1352875789 522727 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352876044 939568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double compile. < 1352876778 322407 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352877295 225856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some document for the skill generator of FurryScript. < 1352877364 860091 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aowjiefuiawhefiauwhfuioawyehruoafwyevfgawyefvoawefbghawhjfbgaukweyfawkhjufbaukwjefbawukefgakuvfaukwevgfauwgevfawuievfuiawyefguiawygefuiawyefgauiywefgauiwyefguiaweyfgaiw8efygauiwefg < 1352877441 731476 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bug that I've been fighting this whole time, and blamed on the GIL at one point? Turns out I miscopied the account's key. < 1352877493 134346 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f7c0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352877859 186914 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another bug somewhere < 1352877899 52561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1352877899 422270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"" < 1352877921 766017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) < 1352877922 187241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\" "\"#$%&'()*+,\"" Just 'J' Just 'J' Exception: <> < 1352877978 163744 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibutwhat < 1352878042 419901 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.97.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352878052 467818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @ < 1352878088 338470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: @ < 1352878097 512513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ < 1352878166 945678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: ﹫ < 1352878183 349997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot@home < 1352879339 903530 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1352879752 437923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1352879757 457215 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1352879782 987459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy < 1352879785 572239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy < 1352879797 373242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1352879812 444596 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1352880302 601259 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1352880302 747231 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big was the original TimeToken? < 1352880302 747414 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original TimeToken was 13 (thirteen) digit places. < 1352880302 747531 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the new TimeToken? < 1352880302 747639 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new TimeToken is 17 (seventeen) digit places. < 1352880304 550628 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the difference between new and old TimeToken? < 1352880306 538580 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is 4 (four) digit places." < 1352880315 412742 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAQs. For people who can't do math. < 1352880378 944206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for everyone, because no-one can do math < 1352880431 122777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wonder how they managed to math out all those numbers given that no-one can do math < 1352880496 851198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they used a mathputer. < 1352881130 888981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made the mathputer < 1352881956 272457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1352882294 290125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: They did. < 1352882573 562055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathputer spontaneously erupted from math itself < 1352882858 796101 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352884135 670331 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352884139 14529 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352884159 167019 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352884641 512439 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1352885331 616259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: (java) :D < 1352885496 598589 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352885548 984361 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this isn't contagious. < 1352885566 358287 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's contagious < 1352885569 635278 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me what it is < 1352885658 400344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Uh-oh, now Jafet got it too. < 1352885683 378101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO Jafet isn't as good as Java < 1352885693 710531 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I don't lose sleep over this. < 1352885694 736708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO Java isn't as good as Jafet < 1352885710 427806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just MO, too: < 1352885711 718857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Jafet < 1352885712 20478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet has a karma of 20 < 1352885713 135119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Java < 1352885713 383194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java has a karma of 0 < 1352885719 10788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed ?? i think so < 1352885750 810933 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof by mahayana metaphysics < 1352885832 184700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you think Lens.Zipper-style zippers for infinite strict data structures are possible? < 1352885839 679949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite traversals of strict data structures. < 1352885844 518376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/81 < 1352885880 322124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1352885890 867591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer < 1352885997 968411 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, can you give an example of an infinite strict data structure? < 1352886007 970123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer < 1352886035 303338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf traverseBits (5::Integer) < 1352886037 202495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,False,True,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,Fals... < 1352886039 689425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Infinite. < 1352886046 313489 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1352886060 930705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf traverseBits (-1 :: Integer) < 1352886062 906951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True... < 1352886074 223475 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1352886146 468802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there's no way to turn a traversed Integer back into an Integer. < 1352886149 207050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I know of. < 1352886187 270450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could do it with a special kind of Traversal. < 1352886191 846232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'd really be worth it... < 1352886200 219262 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we need that lazy integer thingylingy < 1352886216 198941 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone invent it < 1352886234 607257 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be granted a license to unamb < 1352886277 303304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lazy integer thingylingy? < 1352886312 877943 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing my Fueue interpreter: < 1352886314 901360 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: Taneb's done something stupid! < 1352886319 485273 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, me. < 1352886409 874859 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that we decided wasn't actually possible apart from Nat < 1352886418 210854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "(java)" like when you cast some other language into a Java? < 1352886438 852082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you know that < 1352886954 583561 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352886993 756002 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1352887419 302939 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352888704 257000 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352889731 552193 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352890099 876035 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352890335 52319 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352890700 240617 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352890779 603105 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352890841 354260 :nooga!~nooga@46.250.173.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352892252 873796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1352892253 238162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that .NET assemblies have the following advantages over Haskell packages: < 1352892253 386861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being mostly compiled, .NET assemblies add very little overhead added to the build process. < 1352892253 672216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1352892408 31159 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the advantages of not supporting more than 1 operating system < 1352892621 249416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET assemblies work on more than one operating system. < 1352892667 109336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So if you have data Foo a = Foo [a] a [a]; instance Comonad Foo, and you want to generalize it to data Foo x a = Foo [a] x [a], you can't really do that, can you? < 1352892684 713274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do Foo f a = Foo [a] (f a) [a], but that's hardly the same. :-( < 1352892749 939648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352892816 457803 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352893656 334203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352893739 737188 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352894450 963803 :atriq!~nathan@78.148.2.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352895507 300728 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352895583 179374 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352896001 955511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352896222 371901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352897433 468847 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.97.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352899383 735234 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352899390 415102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1352899392 275629 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1352900075 69655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's that super-safe transactional save mechanism working out for you < 1352900198 602761 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352900218 429278 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1352901162 776011 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1352901691 566579 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352901943 842954 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352902035 282582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352902301 526405 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352902310 8861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1352902311 568538 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1352902378 616020 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@46.115.35.236 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032] < 1352902579 778778 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352902586 993657 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352902851 560796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1352903493 286417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352904407 338720 :atriq!~nathan@78.148.2.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found myself wishing for a zero-width space key on my keyboard < 1352904414 574523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have one. < 1352904417 927333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't see it. < 1352904683 26919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352904738 416602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/badapplications < 1352904745 913252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing < 1352905358 631654 :atriq!~nathan@78.148.2.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352905370 197533 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-88-118.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352906685 667919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352906771 932145 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352907272 151547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352908228 311401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352908325 192497 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-88-118.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352908469 684623 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1352909297 549058 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1352909764 471511 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.104.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352910968 552138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352911958 241749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: python random.SystemRandom() is an object with the same API as random itself, which uses /dev/urandom directly < 1352913493 90047 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1352913501 756632 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here an expert on keyboards < 1352913564 31217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want an nkro ortho-linear keyboard with a separate numpad < 1352913586 48562 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate as in not a numpad button that makes part of the keyboard into a numpad. < 1352913622 492006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer to pay less than 1000 euros < 1352913675 742940 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :typematrix is ortho-linear, and i hear there are nkro keyboards. numpads are of course easier to find than not find. < 1352913692 237383 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't seen one with all < 1352913760 9285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i would also prefer blank skin because keyboards with text are kinda ugly, but i suppose that's easy to fix.) < 1352914035 38639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank skin, you mean like a keyboard painted in white? < 1352914210 902646 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352914226 719942 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's optional, i can just paint over it or something < 1352914339 161313 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care what the keys feel like, it'd be enough to get a keyboard that's not a retarded piece of shit. < 1352914360 65207 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the definition of not being a retarded piece of shit being nkro + ortho-linear) < 1352914435 808393 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i bought the typematrix, the definition was being ortho-linear, but nkro is an almost equally pressing issue which i only noticed later. < 1352915100 923058 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know how http://esolangs.org/wiki/Rhotor works? there are no example programs and I don't really understand the syntax for functions < 1352915138 573073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I'm supposed to use "the :symbol notation" but I don't really know what it does < 1352915179 814086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what is ortholinear < 1352915188 117671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the keys are arranged in a grid < 1352915200 185413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than staggered? < 1352915200 331218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the link to the interpreter seems broken < 1352915224 740021 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blog.cyberkinetx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSC_1944.jpg < 1352915229 82931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352915232 708521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect your requirements are too many < 1352915241 60849 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nkro + ortho-linear are the main ones < 1352915245 498571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1352915245 973623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are extremely rare < 1352915249 432793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nkro already eliminates 9/10 of the market < 1352915255 542061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use that keyboard to shoot a science-fiction show < 1352915282 676699 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ortho-linear is way more important, i can't stand staggered (at least the standard way of staggering, diagonal lines would be okay probably, but i don't see the point) < 1352915316 28486 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we used to have touch screens for that, but they're so common now they don't look futuristic any longer) < 1352915334 184265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nkro? < 1352915341 522981 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-key rollover < 1352915346 832089 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can press any amount of keys at the same time < 1352915365 356421 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to do that < 1352915380 827834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to game with it < 1352915385 33647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1352915387 965412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to use it for steno < 1352915412 944081 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same reason i want my keyboard not to have the feature that typing "escalladoddo" actually writes "dude you suck". nkro makes sense, non-nkro doesn't. < 1352915424 789407 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't steno care about some order among the typed letters? < 1352915435 243862 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah if you had it, you could make programs that use it. < 1352915448 767011 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously most programs don't because keyboards don't have nkro. < 1352915457 242515 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand your escalladoddo comment though < 1352915472 147133 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i press two keys, i want two keypresses to be sent. < 1352915482 48623 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I can relate to the T9 system used by my phone's keyboard is very very lame) < 1352915489 582162 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a random subset to be sent. < 1352915493 414710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: plover just looks at which keys were all typed in the last 100ms, regardless of order, and considers that a stroke < 1352915516 173139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1352915534 624671 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1352915539 822040 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the comment was a very random example of a feature that doesn't have a point. yeah you might not bump into it. it still makes no sense. < 1352915560 494098 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the natural thing to happen when i press 7 keys is that 7 keys are sent. < 1352915582 685918 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do people always discuss WHY you'd wont nkro, and not instead tell why they want non-nkro? < 1352915589 41599 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I press two keys and let go, two letters appear on my screen < 1352915592 388088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a use for it? < 1352915628 183020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I press two keys and don't let go, first two letters appear, then one of the two get printed indefinitely and the other just don't < 1352915632 785654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: they want, say, 5kro rather than nkro because it is far cheaper < 1352915648 190370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheapest nkro kb is like $25 < 1352915684 124374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are hundreds < 1352915694 721497 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i payed something like 100 for typematrix < 1352915702 778845 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd pay 400 more for nkro. < 1352915716 524664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand < 1352915728 590498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people cannot fathom paying that much for a keyboard < 1352915735 760178 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't have to feel ashamed of myself everytime i touch my keyboard < 1352915740 477291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and humanity < 1352915850 144738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat ortholinear seems pretty bad since fingers are not all the same length and resting position of hand is not perfectly flat < 1352915881 356183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard for me to imagine any of these being more comfortable than the kinesis contoured < 1352915907 405564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis contoured is one i'm currently looking at < 1352915935 112871 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's the arrow keys? < 1352915966 800468 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat ortholinear is way better than qwerty imo, never tried a contoured kb. < 1352915992 83605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow keys are just under qwerty's CV and M, < 1352916005 706169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :small curl of the index and middle fingers < 1352916016 386391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty nice -- this is why i didn't learn vim hjkl until recently < 1352916063 799649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :layout-wise the other big difference is putting bksp del home end pgup pgdn enter space and modifiers into thumb clusters < 1352916081 556783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty dumb that you have two thumbs, they're super strong, and yet on a normal keyboard they can only hit one key between them < 1352916081 739872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :left hand arrow keys? < 1352916092 577645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes left/right are on the left and up/down are on the right < 1352916111 993607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has two \| keys < 1352916117 152917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which took me like a year to notice < 1352916120 184057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have bound one to Esc < 1352916133 595258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i mostly use Ctrl-[ for escape < 1352916139 207112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" yes left/right are on the left and up/down are on the right" that seems a bit weird < 1352916147 774260 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess you get used to it pretty fast < 1352916156 390359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm, i suppose no nkro? < 1352916167 162571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1352916189 194290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on disassembling mine I think it would be fairly easy to replace the controller board < 1352916201 311634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the switches might still be wired up in a matrixey way that precludes nkro < 1352916202 465128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Crayola-USB-EZ-Type-Keyboard/dp/B00167ZYMK/ref=sr_1_199?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352916035&sr=1-199&keywords=keyboard < 1352916205 424318 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks nice < 1352916207 76358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1352916222 986693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it labeled in comic sans < 1352916232 914381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :teaching children qwerty :( < 1352916304 861742 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to learn dvorak at some point but ä and ö were just too annoying. < 1352916318 337965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with teaching children qwerty? are you a dvorak snob? < 1352916324 339505 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least in the standard layout you get by pressing the dvorak button) < 1352916345 250473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use altgr-q for ä and altgr-p for ö. < 1352916346 250018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you think we should just give them all touchscreens with swype? < 1352916366 619374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i'd prefer a single key < 1352916373 439254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: qwerty sucks < 1352916380 827801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is one of many non-shitty alternatives < 1352916395 124989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't claim that dvorak in particular is awesome, just that qwerty sucks < 1352916408 651271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said my complaint is not very serious, because in the real world, being able to type in qwerty is very useful < 1352916410 756296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you arent proposing an alternative < 1352916413 902539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it's probably a good skill for your children to have < 1352916418 592225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or providing an argument for that matter < 1352916434 418758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what crawled up your butt and died < 1352916445 342769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizz < 1352916446 222219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1352916450 542080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1352916467 763898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i weren't at work i would send a very nsfw animated gif at this juncture < 1352916467 994926 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that why you never learned esperanto? < 1352916478 929079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow < 1352916502 479808 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you like qwerty? < 1352916590 959409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see any problem with it really. i know they say dvorak is up to 10% faster with a year of practice, but keyboards are going to be slow. that's just how keyboarding is. < 1352916608 969258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, because the ability to speak in actual languages is more important than speaking esperanto, in real life < 1352916672 90905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards are slow? compared to what? < 1352916681 592949 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty slow compared to speech at least < 1352916695 441718 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you mean like other methods of doing things on the computer < 1352916800 948951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to steno < 1352916811 627471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, speech < 1352916827 280014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are not very ergonomic. < 1352916835 825382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: also esperanto is just boring < 1352916842 595617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another romance language < 1352916848 779898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well learn a romance language people actually use < 1352916864 411374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, I can see the interest of learning Lojban even though nobody uses it < 1352916872 555486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hungarian < 1352916883 699926 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hope you're not one of those Lojban nerds! < 1352916891 583873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, you jsut said that < 1352916932 616904 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can you teach a computer to read steno? would be pretty cool < 1352916936 786354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any lojban < 1352916941 917979 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo i love lojban < 1352916943 190166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learned a tiny bit a long time ago and then forgot < 1352916945 886071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban seemed very interesting but I have decided not to try to learn it until I speak Chinese, Russian, Arabic, German, and at least five other languages < 1352916976 376900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since this condition is probably never gonna be fulfilled in this lifetime... :) < 1352916991 145146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: steno machines *are* computers, but again, plover can steno from a regular nkro keyboard < 1352916999 918508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its foss too < 1352917037 459666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352917043 842379 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh you mean that sorta steno < 1352917078 899629 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant just writing shorthand with pen. < 1352917102 422830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write shorthand? < 1352917111 243723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think steno is faster and more ergonomic than any penbased method < 1352917111 558902 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352917132 970130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning curve is superhigh tho < 1352917139 450958 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about steno, do you actually write all the data? < 1352917187 75843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :data? < 1352917201 618381 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like can you write asdf8 < 1352917209 956248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1352917214 214735 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you just write speech in some abbreviated... okay < 1352917229 835894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to write gibberish you have to do one stroke per letter < 1352917241 489752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas real words are 1-4 strokds per word < 1352917265 754838 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1352917279 716494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can actually use stenos as everyday kbs? < 1352917292 58637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352917303 696234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :miranda knight uses it for everything < 1352917312 569397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenoknight.com < 1352917317 678070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352932894 399400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352933496 214629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352933543 193768 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1352933568 96621 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352933613 433951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1352933775 125346 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352933814 419170 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352934035 886188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352934119 431311 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, there was an update < 1352934208 497586 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352934803 151261 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Phantom__Hoover, I think I saw someone update brainfuck recently < 1352934806 240710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check it out < 1352935001 542251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an update to your tumblr would be great though < 1352935379 711125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq i should really update my tumblr some day eh < 1352935380 124450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1352936644 181729 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1352936687 124692 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352936758 430567 :nooga!~nooga@46.250.173.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352937158 491564 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.104.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds