< 1353196902 385797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1353197201 916234 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353197368 87458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1353197769 960414 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353198408 866147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language < 1353198409 195525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=344, Welsh=1, Georgian=1, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1353198432 165156 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353198452 460094 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you vote for Polish 344 times, shachaf? < 1353198463 1491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Huh? < 1353198466 865639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language < 1353198467 145290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=344, Welsh=1, Georgian=1, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1353198470 76809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language georgian < 1353198470 343540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"georgian" is not currently a candidate in this poll < 1353198476 365288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language Georgian < 1353198476 736379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "Georgian" < 1353198490 613595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should vote oerian < 1353198505 750463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language < 1353198506 34393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1353198516 337981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that language has never been spoken! < 1353198534 378261 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-spoken-language < 1353198534 683062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1353198541 158919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is it pole < 1353198595 18530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no pole < 1353198626 218109 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1353198716 822893 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1353198751 349912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar < 1353198751 624280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magyar" is not currently a candidate in this poll < 1353198758 25548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1353198763 382149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add best-spoken-language magyar < 1353198763 740806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "magyar", added to poll "best-spoken-language". < 1353198767 15801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar < 1353198767 440673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar" < 1353198769 346001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar < 1353198769 669422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar" < 1353198770 732214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar < 1353198771 98537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar" < 1353198774 745675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @pole-results best-spoken-language < 1353198776 9634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language < 1353198776 389693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): magyar=3, Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1353198790 222158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we typically call it Hungarian in English. < 1353198796 513053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do we? < 1353198798 509486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe *YOU* typically call it Hungarian < 1353198798 808366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we did. < 1353198805 347853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so do i < 1353198806 763635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1353198816 799829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add president kmc < 1353198817 173647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "kmc", added to poll "president". < 1353198893 367252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add president cthulhu < 1353198893 761229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "cthulhu", added to poll "president". < 1353198969 264772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote president cthulhu < 1353198969 463615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "cthulhu" < 1353198984 869369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results president < 1353198985 84456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for president (Open): cthulhu=1, kmc=0, copumpkin=4 < 1353198989 74306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why settle for the *lesser* of two evils? < 1353199006 483463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1353199015 813361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote president kmc < 1353199016 197205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "kmc" < 1353199026 357064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do _that_... < 1353199030 808839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahahaha < 1353199053 701637 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1353199072 411413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: That's what you get for moving to CT < 1353199081 122233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even eligible to be president < 1353199087 752320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one likes Connecticut Yankees. < 1353199100 346711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'm not either. :-( < 1353199110 105384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know dne :: (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m Void) -> m Void) -> a? < 1353199111 828718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww poor shachaf < 1353199117 163682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not even president of finland? < 1353199138 199111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not even that. :-( < 1353199147 634766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The President must be a native-born Finnish citizen." < 1353199223 859224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know ffi ? < 1353199253 715896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FB03 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FOREIGN FUNCTION INTERFACE [ffi] < 1353199260 167854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why this obsession with presidents being native born? < 1353199276 529737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know, man! It's totally unfair. < 1353199298 692399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dne anyway < 1353199303 539651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353199313 279838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if every finn votes a non-finn for president, who actually gets elected? < 1353199366 567209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Estonian. < 1353199381 924832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle dne < 1353199382 346812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNew :: Storable a => Pool -> a -> IO (Ptr a) < 1353199382 638666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNewArray :: Storable a => Pool -> [a] -> IO (Ptr a) < 1353199382 784219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNewArray0 :: Storable a => Pool -> a -> [a] -> IO (Ptr a) < 1353199392 69978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which estonian? (are there more han one?) < 1353199400 7636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so... < 1353199414 411917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runCont < 1353199415 759717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r a -> (a -> r) -> r < 1353199468 296780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dastardly notation elimination < 1353199613 284386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: ((a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a < 1353199613 944306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1353199622 986121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1353199628 562761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No name. < 1353199630 256879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: (a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a < 1353199630 665607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1353199636 556013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a type. < 1353199641 654601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a < 1353199642 67400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1353199647 977248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1353199653 93908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a < 1353199653 434315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = a (\ b _ -> b) void < 1353199672 896997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why are you using Cont? < 1353199675 327274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need Cont. < 1353199676 721056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Oleg < 1353199677 21999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg says: We show how to program with the law of excluded middle. We specifically avoid call/cc, which is overrated. < 1353199692 978722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: ((a -> Either a Void) -> Either a Void) -> a < 1353199693 308150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1353199698 714531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1353199699 389685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> Either a Void) -> Either a Void) -> a < 1353199699 789667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = < 1353199700 68820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : case a (\ b -> < 1353199700 214287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : case a (\ _ -> Left b) of < 1353199700 214519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left c -> Left c < 1353199700 214629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right d -> void d) of < 1353199701 769832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left e -> e < 1353199703 848867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right f -> void f < 1353199712 824896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it was the obvious way to get a monad with an arbitrary result... < 1353199724 101980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc is overrated, man < 1353199743 235933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Cont without callCC, though, depend what you need that type for. < 1353199750 228057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1353199754 497774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Cont for anything. < 1353199868 598855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Either is simpler < 1353199928 287151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FamicomHDL uses Cont without callCC. I also mentioned in esolang wiki some kind of fake I/O monad involving Cont. < 1353199934 960804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you only need to use the exception once. < 1353199998 708492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can use law of excluded middle instead of callCC too if you like; in both cases it makes classical logic from intuitionistic logic. < 1353200016 830428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that @djinn is a little overcomplicated? < 1353200055 610458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1353200059 573682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pass it Left. < 1353200059 880940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f a = case a Left of Left e -> e; Right f -> undefined in f < 1353200061 283243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> Either a b) -> Either t t1) -> t < 1353200077 153832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Get 'im! < 1353200089 81437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use (>>=)? < 1353200126 718445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what you have there, you could make (either Left undefined) which might also do? < 1353200193 676304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean either id undefined? < 1353200201 209812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1353200202 107769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should actually be either id void < 1353200220 314057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, that too. You are correct. It should be: either id void < 1353200235 100071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void < 1353200236 735699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f () < 1353200240 296802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that void! < 1353200244 327869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :absurd :: Void -> a < 1353200254 271115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But something like case ... of { Left c -> Left c; Right d -> void d; } seem would be like >>= void < 1353200260 663091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :either id void . ($ Left) < 1353200273 381286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good point. < 1353200336 635061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1353200341 547826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (>>=) makes it monomorphic. < 1353200793 817819 :TodPunk!~Tod@166.70.93.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353201382 844014 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353201767 734217 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353202304 921251 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353202334 685756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353202416 877128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353202567 895003 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353204106 573385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: I have read that in the startings of war, hitler begged churchill for peace like 12 times, but churcill didnt want to accept it. < 1353204181 349410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you hitler and your jew-killing peace < 1353204228 570935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he being like "hitler wasn't such a bad guy" < 1353204231 823192 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why do you punish yourself? < 1353204251 554362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he's being more "both sides were bad", I think. < 1353204269 449890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a silly argument. < 1353204287 624046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That argument didn't even address my statement < 1353204298 823016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : rebels in general, or these particular rebels? < 1353204298 968479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* amelius has quit (Quit: Leaving) < 1353204299 114015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because it seems clear that at least some of the time, rebellion is not a bad thing. < 1353204299 114185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : If there was a rebellion against Nazi Germany, that would have been good. The American Revolution is not typically considered to have been morally bad, as far as I'm aware. < 1353204329 294218 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :History was kind to Winston, and dink to Addi. < 1353204386 749032 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, wait, was this guy advocating absolute subservience to whatever government exists at the time? < 1353204446 463860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure how absolute, exactly, but something along those lines. He's against the Syrrian rebels, and I wasn't sure if those particular rebels or rebels in general. < 1353204572 937721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually kinda hilarious. Wonder what he thinks of states that ban Christianity. < 1353204596 195070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in question is l. < 1353204597 197075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/tfgrdt2v3rinnudt3yuipa < 1353204606 397365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that I elided the actual nicks) < 1353204644 827032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1353204657 17156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds very clearly like he's against "rebels are good all the time" < 1353204705 919656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked, hold on let me paste that < 1353204720 953012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353204768 41590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/q3zrkexir8wus8qmuh5dw < 1353204786 566206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess it could be more dodging than asserting that rebels are bad all the time. < 1353204803 120272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's s's statement that seems slightly generalized anti-rebel. < 1353204974 555873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the result of all this: ww1 gave us "Leage of nations" ww2 gave us "United Nations" and ww3 will give us the Luciferian NWO < 1353204974 746564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats "the Plan" basicly < 1353205037 448944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think nazis are the archtypal example that peace isn't always the better option < 1353205105 378521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he *did* get a peace agreement from the british earlier < 1353205109 200004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't work out too well for them < 1353205461 954558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :britain consented to hitler annexing part of czechoslovakia, then he went much further, then britain declared war, then later churchill came to power < 1353205472 532479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think by that point yeah he would be pretty inclined to view further peace promises in a dim light < 1353205479 522342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why are you in #jesus < 1353205580 36524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: He's a *regular* there. < 1353205603 161085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is happy he found #jesus < 1353205632 216768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353205992 574913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reach out and touch faith < 1353206033 758653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird given that, to my knowledge, Sgeo is an atheist... < 1353206035 871961 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1353206048 892659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, that knowledge is correct. < 1353206118 156361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was incorrect, would it be knowledge? < 1353206183 153192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to the issue at hand then: why are you in #jesus? < 1353206290 973086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fun to watch? It's fun to participate in conversations as a voice contrary to ... I was going to say the mainstream opinion there, but as often as not it's Christians arguing with Christians as it is Christians vs non-Christians. < 1353206390 783320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect so < 1353207047 978272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is your web IRC thing going to replace #haskell? < 1353207083 261649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have a feature where there are multiple levels of discussion, so people can make stupid jokes in one level without confusing the people who are asking for help at a different level. < 1353207118 157887 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC should have threads. < 1353207132 864342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple levels would not solve the problem of different people having different competing explanations. < 1353207207 588985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a polite way of marking people who have no idea what they're talking about. < 1353207235 353435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A codensity monad of a (->) makes a state monad; this can be used with continuations, too. < 1353207251 508562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: +v is a good idiot flag on non-+m channels. < 1353207272 228854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353207376 243730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, but it's kind of impolite. < 1353207379 838250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mit zephyr has "un-classes" < 1353207388 130394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's decided dictatorially. < 1353207400 492654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I tried to connect to mit zephyr once but apparently you need to have an account? < 1353207409 532970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is if people are answering a question on class "help", you can provide snarky useless answers on class "unhelp" < 1353207412 533479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353207422 129792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get an account? < 1353207443 433244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can get an MIT Athena account by being sponsored by MIT faculty, employee, or organization, or other < 1353207455 909157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can get an account with one of the other zephyr realms that peers with them < 1353207467 485363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1353207468 49068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there aren't any that take general public registrations < 1353207556 455691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuation monad can be used as a kind of monad to build (possibly recursive) data structures. You may see one such example in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Bruijndejx in which it builds a recursive data structure of a simple I/O. < 1353207613 506657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you need Cont for that? < 1353207740 103668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, it is one possible way to make it. < 1353207866 44473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don’t see how one could mark people who don’t know what they’re talking about in a polite manner. < 1353208076 347826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION marks Ryan Kelker < 1353209206 675685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to mark people who do know what they're talking about < 1353209210 689783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on stack overflow < 1353209243 481302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1353209268 330014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying when one or two clueless people give clueless advice to another clueless person. < 1353209275 22675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just propagates the cluelessness. < 1353209383 718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #haskell is too wrapped up in the idea that #haskell Is Nice to tell those people off < 1353209461 332427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, that's Geek Social Fallacy #1 isn't it < 1353210459 423946 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1353211088 824906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's ! hackage. < 1353211115 384855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-: < 1353211139 876676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1353211267 459154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why am I still here? < 1353211274 111935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes in puff of smoke < 1353211717 787692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of how to make some features of CsoundMML which means a program taking annotated orchestra and MML, and then writes a score file and inserts the necessary things into the orchestra (if any). < 1353213476 301197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person complains that IPv4 broke on their Windows machine but IPv6 is working fine < 1353213480 689327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should just write a worm that does that < 1353213682 756210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1353213695 252192 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some good earworms for dear eso/droogies from uncle hagb4rd --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKzH6pRfzoU < 1353213745 352801 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning this track is very affected with light < 1353213790 784149 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it might had been during the age of the trees < 1353213816 289358 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: politeness is overrated < 1353214040 762873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I suspect ion agrees with you. < 1353214071 716705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :overrating is polite < 1353214119 559757 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impoverrating < 1353214266 116783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have typed the experience/inventory of the last Dungeons&Dragons session played so far, as I somehow have forgotten to do that before. < 1353214473 905982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also wrote part of a list of lesser known deities which is part of what I remember from I read somewhere else, called Glo-Gleb and Arachne, and then I added my own, called Gxxyuxihuvxi. < 1353214476 555157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1353214579 140073 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeksy Hooksy Hoofsy < 1353214597 691908 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praise be upon it < 1353214607 847507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1353214633 383575 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know, but don't < 1353214641 219142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. < 1353214775 915325 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, but not @. < 1353214818 895925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: un-#haskell? < 1353214855 746702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for taking your snarkemarks off the main channel. :-) < 1353215126 355768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have thought as much on more tahn one occasion < 1353215156 520169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somethingawful forums have a related idea < 1353215162 609489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most forums have a "shitposting" subforum < 1353215169 981001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually way more fun < 1353215181 281225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Back when we had more than one channel in common, I would use each channel as un-otherchannel! < 1353215197 242034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days it's all boring and linear. < 1353215206 390729 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> co "#haskell" < 1353215208 180227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `co' < 1353215208 476191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1353215208 621828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cos' (imported from... < 1353215218 434147 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos lettuce < 1353215220 226675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `lettuce' < 1353215238 528775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are the somethingawful forums worthwhile? Someone tells me I should pay my $10. < 1353215275 71115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: one of these days I am going to patch MediaWiki to automatically map 24 year bans to indefinite ones :P < 1353215456 331646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty entertaining < 1353215470 926997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth $10 lifetime cost yes < 1353215499 188506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I look at their IRC channel. < 1353215531 522517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it? < 1353215532 118335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably quit IRC < 1353215536 869366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't :( < 1353215538 977304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would miss you < 1353215567 3370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Maybe I should just quit being in 80 channels. :-) < 1353215575 473747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353216316 567296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the Haskell web situation was better. < 1353216325 961322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the web was better < 1353216330 22801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1353216335 403591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish this song was louder < 1353216340 422112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given that it's terrible, I wish the Haskell abstractions over it weren't terrible. < 1353216354 315152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see _Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead_? < 1353216356 470549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1353216360 755959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've probably asked before < 1353216401 580108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1353216404 573614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says i should < 1353216408 459348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you mention it now? < 1353216434 465607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched (most of) the film yesterday. < 1353216444 60049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing beyond that. < 1353216446 636441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should! < 1353216457 828018 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353216524 183007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "u2" < 1353216599 594838 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1353216612 143122 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worldwide web of lies < 1353216752 810784 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353216839 312679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you get the X1 in the end? < 1353216854 936831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i ordered it < 1353216867 222492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't get it until next month < 1353216873 248193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1353216887 282287 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353216889 600808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently even the i7 version is 2-core, not 4-core. < 1353216904 700551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a 4-core mobile core 2? < 1353216957 740054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what mobile core 2 means. < 1353217048 230789 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353217144 383570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run for political office < 1353217163 507710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But I can't be US president! < 1353217168 569385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm constitutionally discriminated against. < 1353217185 100758 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1353217191 706911 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1353217196 316213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What I mean is: Does "mobile core 2" have some special meaning, or does it just mean "of the type that goes in a laptop"? < 1353217230 399201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought intel designated some of them as "mobile" < 1353217247 513035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite possible. I don't pay that much attention to that. < 1353217363 435301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it needs to be available in the right physical form factor < 1353217375 607799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop has a 4-core CPU. < 1353217400 867843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double thin fine pitch micro small outline quad ball grid array, or whatever < 1353217437 332292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous DTFPμSOQBGA < 1353217937 34670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/11/attacking-hardened-linux-systems-with.html < 1353217969 553173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, another kmcpost. < 1353217981 997953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard you were on the case of restoring rwbarton's quiz to the Internet. < 1353218029 132472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353218032 180481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1353218038 764907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is rwbarton's quiz? < 1353218078 573832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incredibly difficult quest of putting a file on the internet < 1353218130 368574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc still doesn't have "his own website" < 1353218141 338050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I have one, man! Though I should take it down. < 1353218147 86214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this one? http://ugcs.net/~keegan/ < 1353218154 18931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even uses sans-serif fonts now! < 1353218156 322501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then why didn't you? < 1353218157 50896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ugcs.net. Doesn't count. < 1353218160 575631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it totally has some css < 1353218166 6113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you need one can you use your own computer? < 1353218192 757924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does it matter sans-serif fonts or not, that should be configured by the client, it uses whatever default font is set, isn't it? < 1353218268 71472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my blog articles now automatically appear in http://www.reddit.com/r/prograrticles < 1353218283 676516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prograticles < 1353218286 125222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good portmanteau < 1353218310 574298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, that bot's list of blogs doesn't even have Arcane Sentiment < 1353218318 45478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help < 1353218320 904025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens < 1353218327 344301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing the diagram. Are there any bugs in it? < 1353218331 755487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the one copumpkin found. < 1353218337 663154 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found nothing < 1353218500 917741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "plz" improve this type < 1353218519 476478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Some a | forall o. (o -> a) (Foo o) < 1353218540 528578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1353218545 364669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like not valid < 1353218546 140197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Some a | forall o. Map (o -> a) (Foo o) < 1353218573 916141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think it is supposed to do? < 1353218583 810878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not very much. < 1353218587 740142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo ~ (Nat,) < 1353218591 436454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want elliott to improve it. < 1353218613 924291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second part seem like some left Yoneda < 1353218614 258306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your reddit username is prograticles_bot? < 1353218627 260057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually remember kmc's reddit username, but it was some weird unpronounceable nonsense. < 1353218644 963633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you tried: type Foo a = (Nat, a) < 1353218645 279416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Foo looks like a free monad < 1353218681 638817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not an improvement :'( < 1353218697 914155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and yes i have tried it, see above :'( < 1353218713 134055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the goal was to make something sort of like a "non-free functor" < 1353218713 990688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to see above :( < 1353218724 369286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. one that keeps track of the fmaps you've done to it. < 1353218731 128694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: people really love embedding GDB breakpoints in C source code, it turns out < 1353218743 600037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map id (Map ord (Map chr (Some 97))) -- e.g. < 1353218754 429108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't a functor then < 1353218755 701680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo' r = forall o. Map (o -> r) r; type Foo = Free Foo' or something seems isomorphic. < 1353218763 639321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1353218776 30989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I haven't read your post yet. < 1353218783 203449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the PF JIT! < 1353218793 933231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes that JIT. < 1353218830 459791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you embed GDB breakpoints in a C code? I have just used things like *0=*0 < 1353218864 29977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is probably not the best way) < 1353218866 654065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just used things like asm("int3") < 1353218910 943669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is the way i came up with: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/01/embedding-gdb-breakpoints-in-c-source.html < 1353218923 984602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I will look later < 1353218938 376533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, that. < 1353218941 918245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a macro that puts the current address into a special section < 1353218956 74187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have a wrapper around gdb which reads those and adds breakpoints to them < 1353218968 641728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb has this nice Python scripting thing, I'm told. < 1353218970 667949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a gdb plugin written in python) < 1353218977 219069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, OK, no one told me it's nice.) < 1353218978 301283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, somebody sent me one and i merged it < 1353219293 879917 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-171.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353219357 710524 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1353219361 193923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK? 1097337155,1162588218,1231719311,1304961152,1382558180,1464769368,1551869087,1644148025,1741914154,1845493760,1955232530,2071496706 < 1353219426 762909 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353219452 846513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm, I'd say 1002841731,1095464447,1164270051,1222683387,1298220537,1352792256,1501379263,1641869480,1662853268,1785140043,1817697110,1857747801] < 1353219460 427731 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1353219496 10041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why? < 1353219504 700836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I might ask you the same question. < 1353219523 643689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are my numbers accurate? < 1353219550 241060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine are accurate. < 1353219581 696228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1353219602 588241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum (read "[1002841731,1095464447,1164270051,1222683387,1298220537,1352792256,1501379263,1641869480,1662853268,1785140043,1817697110,1857747801]") == 17402959374 < 1353219604 489834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1353219606 88674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1353219682 753347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like it to me, since at least 1845493760 must be correct since it is 440 shifted left 22, I think. The others are approximate but I don't know if they are close enough. < 1353219695 784500 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1353219737 992925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe we're talking about different things. < 1353219770 796454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make the notes 22 octaves higher from middle C. < 1353219802 878572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, unrelated. < 1353220056 922276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Section42L < 1353220069 105643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section42L: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353220141 827565 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1353220285 547182 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1353220393 318572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353220534 703522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-171.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353220677 178226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, JavaScript MVC website uses exclusionary language ("Our users are software craftsmen...") < 1353220680 886257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I feel like there's probably no harm meant and this could be fixed quietly < 1353220682 793797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1353220701 784802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way to contact them except through public Twitter or GitHub etc. < 1353220760 105471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which guarantees that every idiot brogrammer will weigh in, and much worse things will be said < 1353220786 564442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PC POLICE ASSAULT, GET OUT THE BIG GUNS" < 1353220794 800134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1353220806 110671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The whois record has an email address of a person listed as "founder" < 1353220807 971904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that < 1353220864 36612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1353220869 686453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could also get an email from whois < 1353220875 268068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1353220882 350522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could also get an email from git commits, is what i meant to say < 1353220884 832894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems creepy < 1353220921 768446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you list your name on the main page, and your email address is your.name@gmail.com, it's not unreasonable to expect emails. < 1353221009 804853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/expect/get/ < 1353221126 150128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you use Gmail and you use your full name for email. < 1353221144 325547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Were you objecting to "${ADJ}men" or "crafts${PERSON}"? < 1353221160 237380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WHOIS too but it is someone else not me, so it is someone else's name and email, although the postal address is the same. < 1353221177 741825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it your brother? < 1353221197 714965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you telling me you don't like dumb image macros in github issues < 1353221203 450437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who could dislike those! < 1353221212 163751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not your business who it is. < 1353221224 935849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whose business is it who it is? < 1353221231 477685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that also not my business? < 1353221237 120748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh < 1353221255 505164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i object to the implication that women don't use this software < 1353221256 495769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is whoever's name is on there, and my own. < 1353221486 414938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think there is such an implication actually < 1353222800 696020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1353222897 566200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google person paper < 1353222899 807756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html < 1353222900 107337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Douglas Hofstadter - Person Paper on Purity in Language < 1353222980 559408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm supposed to email contact@bitovi.com ? < 1353223185 915496 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353223203 255085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book by Hofstadter, but not that one. < 1353223248 983260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i will do that < 1353223249 834583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a book < 1353223275 11387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: psst but i read it in a book tho :'( < 1353223291 190848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in themas, which is a collection of essays I think? < 1353223326 462705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1353223332 80075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a column in _Scientific American_ once. < 1353223345 620724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later it was published in a book. < 1353223733 677442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting a kind of brogrammy vibe from these people < 1353223737 679351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see what they say < 1353224221 197146 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353224280 295603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you noticed that there is another problem with the paragraph "Our users are software craftsmen who care about doing JavaScript development the right way. They care about things like test driven development, performance, code quality, structure and maintainability." < 1353224298 674728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely that it is self-aggrandisement that says nothing :P < 1353224450 960269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353224488 659718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I sent an email to every website that does that, i would quickly hit my outgoing mail quota < 1353224584 120221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I send emails I like to paste snippets of them into IRC to show off. < 1353224587 882055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a real outgoing mail quota. < 1353224722 380870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1353224726 161579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one took me aminute < 1353224986 635330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I ought to write a compiler at some point. < 1353225021 8084 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1353225037 803046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to spite you monqy :'( < 1353225047 795669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sporadically get this feeling I ought to write a self-hosting compiler. < 1353225053 672892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working........................................ < 1353225072 20704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: drat and double drat < 1353225084 821689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'll spite elliott though < 1353225114 515630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blom should i spite < 1353225155 656555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wait no < 1353225165 196727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i wanted to sprite you < 1353225172 800417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spite Rolf Blom. < 1353225186 184569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a vau calculus interpreter in scheme + enough scheme as a library for vau calculus to self-host it < 1353225195 617376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blom's scheme? More like Blom's...", uh, I can't figure out how to continue from there. < 1353225255 634967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I sporadically get this feeling I ought to write a self-hosting compiler. < 1353225260 393439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: me too except I also get the feeling it should boot < 1353225315 298069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's one of those universal things, like the naked-at-school dream and so on. < 1353225319 350856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So you know the issue of minimal complete definitions not being compiler-checked? < 1353225337 497447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353225340 769591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1353225341 26022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353225343 225881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't get warnings for "instance Eq Foo" < 1353225375 206749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be a problem with just explicitly specifying it to the compiler in a pragma? < 1353225401 723112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. class Eq where (==), (/=) :: a -> a -> Bool; {-# MINIMAL (==) #-} {-# MINIMAL (/=) #-} < 1353225409 793692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you could specify any combination of operators in a pragma, of course < 1353225723 187638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume not < 1353225776 799601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to do it? < 1353226348 43651 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1353226622 792116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353227149 119694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume not < 1353227155 441152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do simple usage checks in the default definition < 1353227172 248521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the cost of not allowing a == b = const ... (a /= b) < 1353227180 649065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowing as in it doesn't work for coverage checks < 1353227685 348437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy do the "do the "do the "do the "do the.... < 1353227765 84073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1353228166 316939 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353228218 550214 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353228874 868939 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353229102 847431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353229653 520833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1353229724 869570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No good in general. < 1353229740 734728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, no good with things in base, even. < 1353229774 513246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.6.0.0/doc/html/Control-Applicative.html#g:2 < 1353229964 770707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative sucks anyway < 1353229974 46162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc some and many only apply to some instances < 1353230094 973116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1353230111 413485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this probably needs to be explicit. < 1353230128 771282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> some (Just 5) < 1353230132 604829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1353230141 374655 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1353230144 885482 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was justa bout to do that < 1353230149 291963 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that < 1353230150 368174 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 5 < 1353230154 54010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woW < 1353230340 452306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "brainwashed minds think alike????" < 1353230573 267443 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353230640 732179 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> many [] < 1353230643 472980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[]] < 1353230644 383922 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very cool" < 1353230966 44486 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353231155 383729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, some and many are operators which may apply to any Alternative even though they are not useful with some, they still have a definition which can be common for any one even though it may be infinite loop so not always the defined result. < 1353231838 731518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353237264 645114 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1353237306 875030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ? < 1353237380 254006 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ‽ < 1353237388 314925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shown thing. < 1353237532 897586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: has neutrino admitted he is cheater yet < 1353237552 277361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1353237553 594409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so? < 1353237555 649133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically. < 1353237601 691195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the difference between "basically" and "yes" is more or less the crux of cheater's career... < 1353237644 862878 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Show a => Show (Bazaar a a t) where { showsPrec prec (Bazaar baz) = showParen (prec > 10) (showString "Bazaar " . magicShowsPrec 11 (baz MagicShow)) } or something < 1353237776 568684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The challenge here is to write a Show instance for Bazaar? < 1353237787 269379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me an example of a specific Bazaar and the output you'd want for it? < 1353237832 787535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would cheater join #haskell under a new name anyway < 1353237834 586926 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :show ((\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6) (\a -> Bazaar ($ a))) == "Bazaar (… <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6)" < 1353237836 531828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he getting along just fine with his old name < 1353237842 155183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was never banned or anything afaik < 1353237869 556134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that sounds impossible < 1353237871 320479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bug you < 1353237875 110589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you bugged < 1353237885 328461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: toListOf? < 1353237901 374385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1353237907 364007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im just perplexed < 1353237910 572374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bugging < 1353237922 765652 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1353237933 658094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :borderline perhaps < 1353237951 335600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> toListOf bazaar $ (\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6) sell < 1353237951 481105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5,6] < 1353237964 454640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sell = \a -> Bazaar ($ a) < 1353237983 134228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a Bazaar is perfectly traversable. < 1353238032 993179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaar :: Traversal (Bazaar a b t) t a b < 1353238086 194586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, you already know that, since you wrote partsOf. So I must still be missing something. :-) < 1353238090 818 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, i think so too. But i was asking in any case – i wouldn’t have figured out, say, something like Data.Reflection myself either. < 1353238118 30037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently i was wrong and it is possible < 1353238126 125528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else I am also missing something < 1353238152 28044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflection? < 1353238161 601464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be completely missing the point here. :-( < 1353238187 586160 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let’s forget about Bazaar. (,) <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6 == "(_ :: Integer -> Integer -> (Integer,Integer)) <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6" < 1353238199 223670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Reflection was just another example of something magical. < 1353238211 872149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What's the type of the function you want? < 1353238240 544542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty \f -> liftA2 (,) (f 5) (f 6) < 1353238242 17602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num a, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> f (b, b) < 1353238300 294053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: (forall f. (Applicative f, Show a, Typeable a) => (a -> f a) -> f t) -> String? < 1353238307 962827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe forall f a < 1353238361 795871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You should omit the type signature on _. < 1353238365 999157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need a gross Typeable constraint. < 1353238384 496957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (Did I tell you about reflection or have you, like, actually used it?) < 1353238416 117317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall f a t? < 1353238425 856584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now confused about what ion wants. < 1353238466 216199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, isn't this just toListOf? < 1353238479 955041 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/6d958eef0df23c282cbd < 1353238481 551571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> succ <$> shown 42 < 1353238483 551532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ <$> shown 42 < 1353238622 671215 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don’t remember who mentioned Data.Reflection, i probably encountered it in #haskell. I haven’t needed to use it so far. < 1353238777 763509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last time you used a reader monad :p < 1353238791 69297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1353238815 903153 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353238894 622042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :KALLISTI < 1353239135 135599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let foo :: forall a t. (Show a, Typeable a, Typeable t) => (forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f a) -> f t) -> String; foo r = let bz = r sell in ("(_ :: " ++ (concat $ replicate (lengthOf bazaar bz) $ (show $ typeOf (undefined::a)) ++ " -> ") ++ show (typeOf (undefined::t)) ++ ") <$> ") ++ (intercalate " <*> " $ map (\x -> "shown (" ++ show x ++ ")") (toListOf bazaar bz)) < 1353239143 29956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> foo (\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6) < 1353239143 175365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(_ :: Integer -> Integer -> (Integer,Integer)) <$> shown (5) <*> shown (6)" < 1353239161 703448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"worst text generating thing ever?" < 1353239181 410817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Of course, you can get more information that that out of it. < 1353239199 657913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this would be much simpler if you just used Bazaar. But anyway.) < 1353239484 647427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12:54 < shachaf> Should I watch that? < 1353239484 831801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12:55 < tgeeky> shachaf: yes < 1353239484 831993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12:55 < ion> shachaf: Yes! < 1353239484 977366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12:55 < kmc> Primer is great < 1353239492 978695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally watched it. < 1353239507 534101 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1353239524 960061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Anyway, the extra information you can get out of it is the reconstructed structure < 1353239539 52991 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1353239541 698001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. extract of the (Bazaar a a) comonad. < 1353239994 466400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1353241334 554222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, that does work indeed. I was going to the wrong direction thinking of how to do it with magic Functor and Applicative instances. < 1353241618 385562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is Const < 1353241629 695985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I All you need is Const (Const (Const Is All) You) Need < 1353241648 522562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You need a trickier magic Applicative for the other direction, though. < 1353241653 231102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Which you've already written. < 1353241791 301174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remember Bazaar a b t ~ ([a], [b] -> t) where the lists are the same length. < 1353241805 252287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "the lists are the same length" doesn't quite capture it, because one of them is in negative position. < 1353241809 924808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what I mean. :-) < 1353241818 733565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second list has to be the same length as the first. < 1353241915 809753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar a b t ~ exists n. (Vec n a, Vec n b -> t) < 1353241934 481480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. < 1353242108 464868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I i(Vec n a) < 1353243551 189523 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353244195 625953 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353245565 390392 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that update, the local Gamzee cosplayer is in tears < 1353245615 380672 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO local, in < 1353245803 418903 :nella!~nella@net-37-117-3-59.cust.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1353245815 465752 :nella!~nella@net-37-117-3-59.cust.dsl.vodafone.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :harry potter e il principe mezzosangue < 1353245864 901052 :nella!~nella@net-37-117-3-59.cust.dsl.vodafone.it PART :#esoteric < 1353245881 795554 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1353246947 943930 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1353247609 861640 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353247914 57028 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353248790 814681 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353249581 568127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1353251503 290510 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353251852 734632 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353252134 680369 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353252228 22261 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353252616 959423 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353252744 30449 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353253100 927067 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353253308 861395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1353257354 969337 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353257360 827407 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353257365 471881 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1353258311 541242 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1353258460 113072 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353258466 80828 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353258469 671701 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1353258639 701368 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353258639 847646 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353258644 452328 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1353259578 54152 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353261077 578070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you buy it or use it if it were available? http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9500 < 1353261530 972141 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353262176 139317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1353263532 933380 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-17.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353263642 470551 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353263975 245059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would I want to? < 1353264608 679994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know; in case someone is interested. I would want to buy it. < 1353264737 989990 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1353264833 517616 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353264886 8685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353265031 273350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1353265205 667469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what does it offer that emulators don't? < 1353265271 342766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thrill of hardware. < 1353265308 417214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder thrillware < 1353265336 962128 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353265456 877099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the implementation, it may be more accurate, and can use any cartridge and input devices, and some people may prefer to use this in some cases. < 1353265478 502259 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353265524 79562 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1353265530 698333 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1353265532 51474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The real important question would be, how accurate would the design be? < 1353265555 337450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Of course it depend on how it is. < 1353265612 12617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353265626 135287 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353265654 623645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you have no intention of even thinking about the expansion port of the NES. < 1353265708 409615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1353265762 132096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of its functions which may be used might be wired through an adapter, if you ever need to use it for any reason. < 1353266001 221619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, there is an easy way to make it useful-ish... < 1353266022 120833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audio in line moved from the cartridge slot to the expansion slot in the NES, right? < 1353266070 206114 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use one of the lines that connects from the cartridge to the expansion slot to carry audio from a Famicom adapter. < 1353266152 440432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that just specs or do you have a circuit design etc for it? < 1353266156 96650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is Audio in, in the NES expansion port, although I am not sure if it is the same thing. < 1353266212 6992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just specifications; most of the circuit design would not be too complicated, though. < 1353266437 726016 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1353266548 152920 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353266682 165328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES expansion port seems badly designed and mostly useless; the useful functions exist on other ports (including the Famicom expansion port). One thing on there that might seem useful sometimes (if PRG/CE is insufficient) would be A15; and even that is not so useful on the expansion port instead of the cartridge. < 1353266807 957632 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-17.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1353266865 808493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible for NES expansion port to be a bit more useful on the NES, but in what I described, with 60-pins cartridge, NES controller port, Famicom expansion port, it has the functions you need already. < 1353267526 464625 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly would be wrong about the sentence "but the relationship ended long before marriage."? (as in awkward phrasing) < 1353267568 445602 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1353267593 706273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1353267593 927303 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's wrong with "his hands flaunt in front of the Great Movie Ride in Disney World, Florida."? < 1353267632 303519 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are difficult and this is bad. < 1353267643 273670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can "flaunt" be used intransitively? < 1353267670 4002 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. It's on wikipedia. < 1353267675 262810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sentence) < 1353267795 702207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: (1) Somebody doesn't like beginning sentences with prepositions. (2) It has no obvious meaning, that's what. "Flaunt" kinda needs context, and as is rarely applied to hands... if it was his hands that were being flaunted, then it should have said "he flaunted his hands", not "his hands flaunt". "His hands flaunt" implies that his hands flaunt /something/, but we don't know what. < 1353267815 889301 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither are grammatically wrong as far as I can tell, they're both just terrible. < 1353267912 684787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his hands flaunt" is such a good construction though < 1353267915 213742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on purely aesthetic grounds < 1353267917 925990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it MEAN?? < 1353267931 249048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning is for losers :) < 1353267935 469559 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, but it's on wikipedia. < 1353267946 510080 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Copperfield's page < 1353267997 124950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaunt around. < 1353268014 765802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaunt his crotch < 1353268095 345903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "but" isn't a preposition, also it's _ending_ it with them ("marriage" isn't one either.) < 1353268153 675559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not a preposition there, i can imagine other uses where it may be ("life is but a dream") < 1353268219 564939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah, I'm bad at reading X_X < 1353268225 29163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the excuse that I'm sick :) < 1353268294 176392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is but his hands flaunting < 1353268330 613918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if anyone's hands could flaunt, it would be david copperfield, i think < 1353268442 595229 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaunt < 1353268445 990541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting word < 1353268450 862340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flauntulence. < 1353268458 266029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are no??? fields of copper though? < 1353268461 442340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s just not realistic < 1353268492 938235 :nortti-9front!~glen@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe63f800-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1353268512 249396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«(intransitive, obsolete) To wave or flutter smartly in the wind.» «(intransitive) (archaic or literary) To show off with flashy clothing.» so copperfield is really old I guess < 1353268530 676216 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his hands are well-dressed. < 1353268558 774717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i cannot find this wikipedia page of which you speak < 1353268647 605107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Copperfield has made it invisible. < 1353268652 744915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1353268802 33603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://grsecurity.net/~spender/jit_prot.diff < 1353268849 658960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that related to um... http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/11/attacking-hardened-linux-systems-with.html this post? < 1353268901 896144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are fields of gold, why not copper? < 1353268920 25108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353268931 885573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the author of the latter < 1353268966 865961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that trick reliably avoid the problem, or can you like, still smuggle the instructions you want in by using non-immediate bits, like opcodes and r/m bytes? < 1353268989 439397 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it'd be trickier but is it still possible? < 1353269056 481241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a good question < 1353269072 949804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case you have a pretty limited range of opcodes and addressing modes you can generate < 1353269180 60997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, so you can't use some of the really long opcodes like later-SSE stuff? < 1353269220 758386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining like, writing a search function that, given a set of operations you want to execute, tries to find some set of valid instructions that you could smuggle it in with < 1353269228 712251 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :automating the process < 1353269245 899318 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1353269265 151845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353269274 451598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably a viable technique for attacking fancy optimizing JITs < 1353269280 784012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think a book i have had a very basic version of that, where you put in some shellcode and it tries to output it in alphanumeric code or w/e < 1353269325 359518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is a phrack article about that < 1353269371 150890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel BPF JIT is simplistic and just maps each BPF instruction to an x86 instruction with a specific template < 1353269433 402204 :nortti-9front!~glen@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe63f800-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353269614 349327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff I'm seeing about BPF talks about just-in-time compilation and stuff... but I remember your post talking about inserting specific x86 instructions, am I missing something? < 1353269662 994493 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353269741 692719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i have to go now, i can explain in 30 min or so < 1353269779 844177 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353269798 87862 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay! thanks < 1353269871 232271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Making_Use_Of_Fat_Binders_To_Assist_Your_Weight_Management_Goals < 1353269933 283017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353269939 775437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey atriq, elliott, su < 1353269940 675903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1353269958 364231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a weight loss esolang? interesting < 1353269973 228407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1353269977 907054 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353269988 889971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a carb-counting minsky machine perhaps < 1353270016 806020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, clearly you should have one register for carb, one for fat, and so one < 1353270018 524736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1353270057 679338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need some binders, that's in the name < 1353270059 842279 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher the values in the registers, the slower the execution goes < 1353270072 415679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that requires something with scope... < 1353270177 29213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a lambda calculus with a culinary type discipline < 1353270179 632884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consume [fridge+offsetof(fridge.cheese.swiss)] loads the cheese, and increments the fat, carb, and protein registers by the appropriate amounts? < 1353270207 859148 :aaron9000!~USER@ppp-69-229-194-33.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353270213 800120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, oop < 1353270254 570938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1353270267 383940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we'll need BinderFactories, then < 1353270333 156606 :aaron9000!~USER@ppp-69-229-194-33.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net PART :#esoteric < 1353270344 322830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full of women? < 1353270354 847453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1353270375 951176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women go in binders < 1353270378 178967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well known fact < 1353270383 344072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1353270401 883566 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353270417 635117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google romney binders full of women < 1353270420 495999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/opinion/cardona-binders-women/index.html < 1353270420 641929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Romney's empty 'binders full of women' - CNN.com < 1353270421 737773 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey < 1353270444 647149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, succession fort the third, what say you < 1353270509 133702 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "why not" < 1353270513 968563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353270516 23784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who starts < 1353270557 448043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my fortress backbone is boring and i hate it, fwiw) < 1353270668 935397 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my fortress backbone is weird) < 1353270688 47318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird is good < 1353270695 68051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get as anal when trying to position things then < 1353270711 450139 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird and annoyingly regular < 1353270743 600283 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't take into account the wonder that is minecarts? < 1353270766 189771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh christ don't let's start with the minecarts now < 1353270818 407349 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had bad times with minecarts? < 1353270838 436020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they require a lot of trial and error < 1353271352 114586 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1353271359 783218 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we dare let elliott start? < 1353271470 194098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1353271550 263288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some effects for pictures could apply to sounds too, and some effects for sounds count also be applied to pictures and videos (you have to select which dimension you want, which may be time dimension). You could also apply some of the effects for still pictures to the time dimension of videos, too. < 1353271617 797051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353271631 21565 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do we dare let elliott start? < 1353271641 718967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you started handlekindled and i started rosyarrow < 1353271643 395070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1353271656 743407 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he is NO LONGER ONLINE < 1353271741 238962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selfish bastard < 1353271774 658959 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could let zzo38 start < 1353271785 196511 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see what hellish landscape we end up with < 1353271796 434462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38 < 1353271799 614343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you up for it < 1353271802 543438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: back < 1353271861 560167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be extremely logical, from a certain point of view. < 1353271933 276414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Up for what? < 1353271949 417415 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting the THIRD #ESOTERIC SUCCESSION FORTRESS < 1353271953 229607 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHA! < 1353271956 948947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how that works. < 1353271978 445941 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll figure it out < 1353271983 880443 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a relatively simple game < 1353271984 116502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of df? < 1353272016 281988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is here < 1353272035 995103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Fiora < 1353272049 883638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you actually Fiona with a pen that doesn't quite work < 1353272076 6070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to start to figure it out. < 1353272079 754740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I'm just a friend of Bike (I think that's his name here?)... he mentioned this channel had interesting things < 1353272085 592209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I read kmc's blog sometimes < 1353272089 888969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play dwarf fortress < 1353272092 586537 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has a blog!? < 1353272121 53222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't ever, no :< < 1353272122 72190 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1353272126 427882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. I tried once but it runs too slowly. < 1353272191 393824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is bike, yes indeed. < 1353272195 66081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only lymia was still here < 1353272202 686819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to distinguish the instructions the BPF JIT emits from the instructions the attacker is smuggling in < 1353272225 767286 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ask Fiora the Hexham/Finland question? < 1353272226 398468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter are hidden within the immediate arguments to the former < 1353272249 75773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but like, let's say you have a JIT that compiles Java to x86, you can't control the x86 with the Java (at least not completely), right? < 1353272260 911775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can you be sure to get the exact right instructions so that the smuggled instructions are right? < 1353272281 468799 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it let you give it full control over the input x86 (within the constraints at least?) < 1353272303 549752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know how that particular JIT works < 1353272305 223749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have access to the JIT's source, or at least you can figure out what Java results in what x86 < 1353272386 59975 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, are you in Hexham? < 1353272389 864796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reading its source, or by observing the output and determining it to be stable < 1353272398 901759 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important question) < 1353272419 706950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham? google says it's a city < 1353272424 519580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of the BPF JIT it is very easy because it translates each BPF instruction to a particular x86 instruction sequence, regardless of the context < 1353272432 159156 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's a city!? < 1353272434 988344 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a town < 1353272439 45729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google hexham < 1353272440 592088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham < 1353272440 931402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Hexham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1353272442 610569 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, town I guess? < 1353272446 916992 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1353272449 37560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fancier jit will have fancier instruction selection, register allocation, non-local optimizations, etc. < 1353272452 543581 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from the US <_<; < 1353272455 685081 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1353272469 651628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could the JIT try to be "more secure" by doing unpredictable things with the code? < 1353272470 511026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with a tracing JIT what's compiled is not a whole function but a single control-flow path, which can span several function and skip parts of each < 1353272472 922907 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a ridiculous number of people from Hexham in this channel < 1353272473 68421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like based on /dev/random < 1353272478 408415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353272492 106762 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to 2 at any time < 1353272493 753191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, random register allocation, random splitting of constants, random insturction reordering... < 1353272496 735876 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Finland is worse < 1353272532 837281 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although more proportional to its population < 1353272658 179597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were from the west midlands it'd emerge as a strong contender too < 1353272663 187584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random splitting of constants would be the big one, I suppose, since then the attacker can't even guarantee they'll have a sequence of bytes to jump to. < 1353272676 487025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but what if you could do it entirely without constants? < 1353272677 542023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an appropriate < 1353272681 318563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just with opcodes and r/m bytes < 1353272688 203754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be really hard though < 1353272691 101986 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, shall I just start one? < 1353272760 580397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think most JITs are going to emit the really complicated instructions that would be good for that? < 1353272794 796030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I can't get systrace to work on my 4.1 android phone. It should work but I get error messages about stuff under /sys/kernel/debug not existing... < 1353272803 907752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you could control the register allocation... but if it used only like a couple registers... yeah that would be hard... < 1353272807 161703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd have to try to be sure < 1353272813 433871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, i don't think elliott is going to make a showing so yeah < 1353272818 405344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Vorpal wants to < 1353272849 217765 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I play vanilla or that mod you posted the other day? < 1353272853 10563 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the anthracite < 1353272862 570801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthramod! < 1353272893 971982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, want what? < 1353272924 312263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :start a succession fortress < 1353272930 695283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :naah < 1353272949 701450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah* < 1353272951 789854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1353273007 311405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that good? < 1353273007 457226 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, worldgen has begun < 1353273066 924081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone listen to sburban jungle! < 1353273102 430965 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening! < 1353273104 654801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has Vorpal even heard sburban jungle) < 1353273128 273019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, think so, ages ago < 1353273136 123368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why I would listen to it now though < 1353273175 182832 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress worldgen isn't as awesome as SBurb loading screen < 1353273186 640511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rendering isn't < 1353273194 260528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, FireFly, there? I left eclipse running on that upgrade... It just finished XD < 1353273196 242265 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1353273212 339480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pretty crazy stuff happens in worldgen < 1353273238 384508 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pretty crazy stuff happens in SBurb worldgen too, mind < 1353273254 776267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although time travel/predestination makes it unclear when that happens < 1353273259 76553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh? < 1353273264 748058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't sburb worldgen the final section of gameplay < 1353273270 383644 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, remember we talked about that yesterday or so? < 1353273289 410797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the slooow eclipse upgrade? < 1353273300 798385 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't ring any bells < 1353273308 48120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, who was it then I talked to < 1353273318 597914 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think so? < 1353273322 42428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know fizzie, and I thought you too < 1353273322 955028 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1353273324 817505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe < 1353273328 327647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, doesn't matter < 1353273339 481105 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1353273348 15641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think we've seen a single standard sburb game so who knows < 1353273351 136641 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1353273377 831632 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible there is no such thing < 1353273386 157515 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the point of SBurb is to teach its players < 1353273408 504823 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It teaches the trolls that supreming over everyone is bad < 1353273421 975471 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes you have to admit that others are in some respects superior? < 1353273478 644906 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And did that by making their subsession glitched in a way I don't know what I'm saying < 1353273567 80439 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WorldGen is complete < 1353273586 318075 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as the third version of SBurban Jungle I have starts playing < 1353273592 456556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :third? < 1353273597 236491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know of 2! < 1353273614 136612 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two are identical < 1353273628 275021 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Volume 4 version, the Volumes 1-4 version, and the Brief Mix < 1353273642 550267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, the brief mix has just finished < 1353273655 530916 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for SBurban Reversal < 1353273683 576518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353273687 130143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use that for world ungen < 1353273700 843661 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terezi Owns? < 1353273722 642956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sburban countdown? < 1353273743 61086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sburban jungle: percussion mix? < 1353273842 745606 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now to browse the suitable sites < 1353273858 189160 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To ElevatorStuck < 1353273919 431682 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a good place, it's quite hot < 1353273936 585946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353273945 850929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey monqy did you learn to play dwarf fortress < 1353273964 503083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was reasonable. < 1353273977 707926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes, I remember the upgrade. < 1353274036 702756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, make sure to name the starting 7 < 1353274055 757822 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot, heavily forested, thick vegetation, wilderness, brook, some soil, shallow metals, deep metals, flux stone < 1353274063 351688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1353274067 730080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, brook? < 1353274069 169228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssssss < 1353274085 805073 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1353274090 94268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The other person commenting on it was FreeFull, incidentally. < 1353274099 671365 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brook is called Bunnyidol < 1353274103 963900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a site where i can find an easily-accessible source of working fluid for my generators < 1353274107 371015 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds somewhat suspicious < 1353274119 518150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both are "FFs".) < 1353274157 251487 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I prepare for the journey carefully? < 1353274162 973061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commenting on what? < 1353274176 627259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: On Vorpal's slow Eclipse upgrade. < 1353274205 555902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going out there and making people's Eclipse upgrades slow < 1353274220 36369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you commented on hypothetical reasons for it. < 1353274227 715828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least someone with your name did. < 1353274242 768402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, only if you don't want to get started this week < 1353274282 211533 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarking, whey-hey! < 1353274290 484584 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is suspicious < 1353274296 994738 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Palacecrushed" < 1353274303 817272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnyidol is < 1353274305 688336 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the name of this brook < 1353274416 93402 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353274507 361908 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, stuff IS HAPPENING < 1353274531 430586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making it hapen < 1353274548 377301 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where making this hapen < 1353274571 709941 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were DOIN it bro! < 1353274749 758080 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just struck Haemetite < 1353274786 66100 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however that's spelt < 1353274801 190548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1353274836 153280 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, we've also got Sphalerite, so I guess we could make zinc? < 1353274836 890425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haematite < 1353274869 248350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can make things out of brass i guess < 1353275015 694621 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First bedroom built! < 1353275035 913443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarves don't build! < 1353275072 640452 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean, first bedroom made a bedroom < 1353275073 825932 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dwarf fortress a rogue-like derivative of minecraft or something? < 1353275089 489831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1353275123 917219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like rts minecraft except you don't have direct control over your units and you just designate tasks to be carried out < 1353275164 4204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have units in minecraft? < 1353275173 973028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A unit. < 1353275178 375423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the rts part < 1353275182 319478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like a first-person shooter < 1353275190 373712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without the shooting < 1353275193 672731 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just struck fortification agate < 1353275201 285606 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a first-person miner < 1353275202 12690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gate < 1353275204 104556 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1353275217 858090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some bow-shooting going on in Minecraft. < 1353275219 639146 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine Minecraft meets Rollercoaster Tycoon meets Pikmin < 1353275232 214213 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a gem < 1353275242 705 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some sort of concrete or something < 1353275253 995572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a bunch of dwarves, they need to be kept alive and happy < 1353275254 147247 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's fortification aggregate < 1353275289 181990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you designate an area for mining or a workshop to be built or whatever and eventually they'll do it < 1353275331 386575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't directly control any of them < 1353275356 987342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that horribly crappy Sonic animation was bad in YouTube recommendations, but now it's some "live-action" (..maybe, judging from the thumbnail..) thing with Sonic edited in, titled "A Day in the Life of Sonic- Sonic tries to get laid". < 1353275395 29199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then some Battle Programmer Shirase stuff. (Okay, at least that's kinda hilarious.) < 1353275689 857392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: The other person commenting on it was FreeFull, incidentally. <--- aah, FF in both cases < 1353275715 753383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, so in practise it could have been you :P Very similar nick shape < 1353275754 939083 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1353275777 318429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly has one less letter < 1353275788 973690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but apart from that, very similar < 1353275818 880823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, anyway, I left the eclipse upgrade running, I finished just half an hour ago or something like that < 1353275823 342582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is absurd < 1353275843 925552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the eclipse mirror system is royally fucked up to me, "no mirrors found" it says now for me < 1353275856 834887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually distinguish by nick length and nick colour. Not that the latter is very helpful in this case: http://i.imgur.com/t15X7.png < 1353275871 77750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do coloured nicks < 1353275912 643328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it started working again, (the mirror system) < 1353276085 220039 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agriculture has started < 1353276086 822639 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all my nicks white < 1353276091 741515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a black background < 1353276102 763555 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless someone highlights me, then their nick is yellow on that line < 1353276105 396164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue on a white background (using xchat atm) < 1353276122 859525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own lines are grey, and highlights are red < 1353276130 83021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the text is black < 1353276150 418285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i got stonesense working < 1353276161 472096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I never had any problems with that < 1353276175 103142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the issues? < 1353276192 268270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependencies, also forgetting to set the compile flag < 1353276198 217172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1353276288 529482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I'm channelling out a massive tower thing. < 1353276550 409616 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now summer < 1353276577 217735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, this fortress is already dying FPS death. < 1353276592 963610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is the cause? < 1353276595 148064 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353276609 232955 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try turning down your graphics settings? < 1353276615 745548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1353276659 559833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dfhack now has an ingame version of the dwarftherapist interface < 1353276665 439210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot overstate its usefulness < 1353276676 508617 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353276807 537124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPS? < 1353276808 508365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dwarftherapist? < 1353276810 129549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1353276863 593781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kidding me < 1353276904 835961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't remember using that tool < 1353276910 277225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1353276915 816651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some sort of cheating tool? < 1353276922 918005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a lot of dfhack is < 1353276946 371206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one that makes managing labours actually possible < 1353276954 191129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one, right < 1353276957 385822 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353276963 147017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen it < 1353277014 811378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FPS death? < 1353277015 164273 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1353277074 548758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when the game grinds to a halt. < 1353277083 98121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF is extremely simulation-heavy. < 1353277127 96360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1353277474 864996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353277500 61427 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIgrants! < 1353277970 319262 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they travel from atlantis to that planet with an atlantis-like tower; they initiate a revolution there, and deplete de zpm that was powering everything < 1353277988 896875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving them defenseless from the wraith < 1353278013 163345 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in return for that "help" they take a lot of the drones and jumpers < 1353278073 849961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make things better, sheppard gets to have sex with a girl by promising her he will marry her and they'll rule the planet together; then he dumps her and get back to atlantis (with his jumpers and drones) < 1353278119 189698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck is that morally suitable for a stargate team?? < 1353278126 392596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw i named a dorf after you < 1353278138 769608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the fortress carpenter, doctor and secondary miner < 1353278171 358259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his name is Garry. < 1353278176 587278 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover doesn't know oerjan's real name. < 1353278251 691672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to be the cook < 1353278257 353595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no the cook will be garry < 1353278359 276778 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I travel back in time and give you Palacecrushed? < 1353278361 146000 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1353278378 775855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353278379 912357 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then I will have a time machine < 1353278381 20898 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1353278388 43568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is matchedroad < 1353278516 314491 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353278656 393548 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353278968 16140 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353278995 5115 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353279127 559954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. O. F < 1353279170 282845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, Phantom_Hoover, you saw the latest update, right? < 1353279175 298111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an [S]? < 1353279238 895616 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353279249 166839 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1353279259 832080 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the local Gamzee cosplayer was upset < 1353279287 956948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't! < 1353279297 672502 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go! < 1353279298 838546 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do! < 1353279300 137276 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run! < 1353279301 771141 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play! < 1353279303 606935 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attack! < 1353279305 247104 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defend! < 1353279310 714812 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tackle! < 1353279314 525654 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail Whip! < 1353279320 97508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does all those thnigs to atriq  < 1353279326 295559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1353279390 999091 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not again < 1353279505 712560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matchedroad seems to have fallen into a state where nobody is actually doing their job because they're too busy doing work on the megaproject < 1353279579 703539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :largely because of this overspecialisation it is also the unhappiest peacetime fort i have ever run < 1353279634 688605 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353280992 283128 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: weeeeeell I just tried my interpreter against your fibonacci program and it began to print an infinity of 1s < 1353281109 16461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have more intel on whether that's because of your program or of my interpreter? (for instance do you have a simpler program?) < 1353281145 190587 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353281150 960430 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353281164 947717 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353281269 27704 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353281369 566188 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1353281374 310767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Law of mathematics: any comprehensible math can be generalized to the point that it really f%*ks with your head." < 1353281376 4174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1353281402 89688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply recursively, get cat theory? < 1353281402 496802 :TodPunk!~Tod@166.70.93.209 QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1353281456 246238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was starting work on moving into the mighty Tower of Dorf when a goblin thief and a werecivet arrived in short succession < 1353282618 656224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm sure it goes _way_ deeper than that. < 1353282637 117294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes way deeper than what < 1353282652 30761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :than cat theory. < 1353282660 51960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably < 1353283102 709023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is that how it works? Are you sure? < 1353283117 220209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I don't know which is wrong (maybe both are wrong). < 1353283196 227648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well mostly I made a mistake while copying it (I don't have a parser yet, so now it looks like [Pushn 0; Succ; Pushn 0; Store; Pushinf; Loop [Pushn 0; Fetch; Output; Pushn 0; Fetch; Pushn 0; Fetch; Pushn 0; Succ; Fetch; Loop [Succ]; Pushn 0; Store; Pushn 0; Succ; Store]]