< 1353974548 811969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you can make up something similar to the quote operator from muriel < 1353974592 441344 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if you use two characters operators, you can make quotes that are not infinite loop like so: < 1353974653 316220 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, the line started with / and got eaten by the irc client < 1353974661 564195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1353974679 939555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/OP/QuotedO.P//.//Some text that contains OP < 1353974707 413293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately / and \ are only one-character < 1353974717 20567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed they are. < 1353974755 292947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I can work with made-up two-char operators, with the replace-them-with-/-\ thingy part of the thing that's quined < 1353974950 692094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work. but now you need to consider you want to replace them only in _one_ of the quined copies... < 1353974987 902093 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1353974993 574977 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I understand what you menat < 1353974995 307761 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant* < 1353975011 29212 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeell I'm working on that < 1353975023 710928 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I do not think that will be so much of a problem < 1353975040 55891 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I'm not there yet) < 1353975068 903307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but i doubt you end up with a simpler solution. < 1353975069 173195 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not experienced with quining so every three seconds my brain resets and I need to re-understand how quining is done again < 1353975111 47908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and three seconds is not a lot to write a slashes program!!) < 1353975128 383820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1353975180 862595 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm facing ridiculous problems right now < 1353975206 989995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1353975233 905602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance "if the only difference between 0 and 1 is that 1 is 1, then I need to do something like GGAGG/1/infinite looping of printing one/A" < 1353975256 24495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but to actually print 1 in the main loop, I need to have the symbol 1 part of the loop code" < 1353975275 48199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so the outermost substitution will be an infinite loop" < 1353975297 258506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that's a stupid issue and I can solve it by replacing "A" with "_A_" and the first "1" by "_1_" < 1353975410 581410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did neither of those, anyway. < 1353975453 886734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also slashes is a good example of how our categories are not very "accurate" < 1353975469 170799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it's categorized both as "self-modifying" and "string-rewriting" < 1353975485 278678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it is. < 1353975490 63627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those two categories illustrate the same aspect of the language < 1353975505 48827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't, thue is string-rewriting but not self-modifying. < 1353975522 670142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1353975533 455164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because thue does not identify the string with the running program. < 1353975545 118717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1353975852 168849 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's where I am so far http://sprunge.us/aVci < 1353975904 395555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is I want to quote DATA, but not what follows < 1353975925 548924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I think the easier way to do this is to use substitutes for / and \ in DATA < 1353975936 379612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1353975937 836343 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1353975941 624568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinking out loud
< 1353975955 724379 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is when I'm not thinking out loud for someone to hear me < 1353975962 461804 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I begin talking to myself < 1353976013 375795 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1353976072 284854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, I really understand what you meant < 1353976078 478674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1353976114 913061 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353976164 16165 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, most / and \ need to be escaped because they're part of the /:1:/.../ thing < 1353976171 23656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1353976179 345126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll do that last because it will make it unreadable < 1353976580 174797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rubber duck debugging! < 1353976592 856949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1353976596 675015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to buy one of those < 1353976617 506071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though last one of those I saw had batteries inside < 1353976829 798779 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming in slashes is fun though < 1353976840 670226 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're basically making up your own syntax < 1353976846 847217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353977334 253354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about programming in lisp then < 1353977368 489250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i should know better than to say such things < 1353978082 95939 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353978165 900821 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1353978700 759039 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353979541 767948 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353979657 661102 :nooga_!~nooga@194.116.253.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353979657 998411 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353979673 912023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be ok if I added a section "Hello, World!" to the Pure_BF article, with the program being [.>] and the description "The following program would map a pair (world, tape) to a pair (new_world, tape), with "Hello, World!" outputted in that new_world, if the first 14 cells of the tape contained the characters 'H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ' ', 'W', 'o', 'r', 'l', d', '!', '\n', '\0'"? < 1353979689 814470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide whether that would be funny or not. < 1353980126 526745 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353980572 33539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353980746 956326 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, pure bf interpreter is working < 1353980770 141232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that doesn't matter cause it directly doesn't do anything < 1353981165 6779 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353981360 827444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea, riffing on what Arc_Koen said about languages where you have independent processors interacting: < 1353981378 853256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :riff on me baby oh yeah < 1353981387 832692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language where you can't program any processors, only their connections < 1353981472 619280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this covers a bunch of simple models such as boolean circuits, but i haven't heard of anything that uses fixed, complex units < 1353981485 411065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sleep now < 1353981487 479972 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had infinite of each type of unit and you could connect arbitrarily that would be basically equivalent to thinks like puredata, wouldn't it < 1353981518 805179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not familiar with that < 1353981520 249418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1353981538 227258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of general concepts which encompass both practical and esoteric languages < 1353981557 462342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1353981562 793721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353982965 351507 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353983129 395902 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1353983363 321906 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Fiora < 1353985137 556269 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353985441 372420 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353985932 109442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1353986279 680529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons game today. They said it was "genius" for me to put a gold coin down while invisible and while in the area between the door and the portcullis. < 1353987968 810348 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what purpose? < 1353988006 821433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get past! < 1353988113 63095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate! < 1353988253 243730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did the gold coin help? < 1353988343 109781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that they can open the portcullis. < 1353988699 498051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353988716 806691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353989364 472388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does gold coin let the portcullis open? was there someone on the other side with a coin-operated portcullis machine? < 1353989371 197688 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353989374 9626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1353989379 43345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they open it because they want the coin < 1353989453 511419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they want to pick up the money < 1353989475 122916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't think about how it got there. < 1353989765 44946 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why I enjoy http://www.reddit.com/r/westwoods/ but I do < 1353990766 92563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is genius < 1353990775 132499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK. < 1353990783 297138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can murder them and get your coin back < 1353990790 871059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's win win < 1353990798 583833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need the coin back. < 1353990829 802028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I ever do end up to need to kill them, and they did not yet spend it, I will get it back. < 1353991017 673049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purchasing power of one gold coin < 1353991041 982218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1353991074 823991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 1 USD < 1353991174 463905 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353992052 494699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not worth a murder beef < 1353992203 899053 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353992276 484421 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1353992301 223667 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353992749 596785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is, I do not need it back. < 1353992757 248587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of what it is worth. < 1353994497 784227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also playing Bland Chess against my brother today, and I managed to win, and it was pictorial checkmate too. < 1353994540 504276 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pictoral? < 1353994543 908895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He then said that it should be a double win if you manage to win with pictorial checkmate.) < 1353994562 270599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: "Pictorial checkmate" means a position that would be checkmate in FIDE. < 1353994573 848392 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1353994592 26042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in this case it is checkmate in both Bland Chess and in FIDE chess. < 1353994756 373822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Bland Chess, the bishop is worth less than a pawn. < 1353995005 594150 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bland chess? < 1353995166 908779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a game he invented many years ago, but without playing the game; he just said it once while waiting at a restaurant. The rules are that no diagonal moves are allowed (although knights still move as normal). < 1353995182 559331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a description: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSblandchess < 1353995261 108006 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, ... yeah, was about to ask about bishop < 1353995278 826471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bishops do not move at all in this game. < 1353995287 254158 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even any use to them? If you removed the bishops, how often would the game be affected < 1353995299 141624 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. how often do the bishops block stuff from occuring < 1353995302 260598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have more opportunities to castle. < 1353995332 458218 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about berolina pawns in sharp chess? < 1353995347 280425 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with sharp chess? < 1353995358 12100 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because pawns can't move forward? < 1353995388 537545 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353995390 612767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, if it is played with berolina pawns it might work, but I still think it wouldn't work as well. < 1353995436 580342 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353995444 93339 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :every piece except the knight would be color-locked < 1353995458 614849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1353995489 449974 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a berolina pawn? < 1353995517 49300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-capturing diagonal, capture orthogonal. < 1353995552 143747 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you compose the problem? < 1353995576 485019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, although I may have made some mistakes. < 1353995578 504692 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe that you correctly indicated which side of the board is which < 1353995588 916125 :nooga_!~nooga@194.116.253.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353995597 669830 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1353995598 350861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I did. < 1353995601 641365 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bishop could be promoted < 1353995608 342556 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353995612 939992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pawn on f7 is about to promote. < 1353995620 857332 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353995623 91528 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you got it right < 1353995627 165118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the position is impossible < 1353995642 473239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the bishop on c8 must be the result of a promotion < 1353995650 435191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right, it is impossible; but I don't worry about that. < 1353995651 119156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean that the pawns on the c-file exchanged places < 1353995662 709144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is generally considered to be a flaw in a chess problem < 1353995684 474059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. However, I don't care. < 1353995708 152403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353995717 759462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this game is a stalemate < 1353995725 480126 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1353995739 410 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I believe lowercase can force a stalement < 1353995742 540252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stalemate < 1353995766 254776 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase must promote on his turn < 1353995873 137656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is probably broken; I should delete it. < 1353995891 311836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it seems no move will help. < 1353995897 111710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of his choice (a knight is ideal since it can deliver checkmate), 1 ... Ra8+ 2. Kxa8 Rxa6 3. Kb8 Ra8+ 4. Kxa8 1/2-1/2 < 1353995969 748893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although like I said nothing will help. But yes I did see that after I wrote the problem, which is why I say I should remove it. < 1353996012 202975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I removed it. However, for historical reasons it is still available as a HTML comment. < 1353996026 972718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you select "edit the contents" it will be visible.) < 1353996194 253302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my other variants are also partially from my brother, although most are my own. < 1353996195 598535 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1353996623 24753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chess with checkers added" is a variant where me and my brother both invented *simultaneously*. < 1353996687 386037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As it turned out I resigned that game.) < 1353996744 115972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your brother ever come to #esoteric? < 1353996820 925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1353996864 969046 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353996961 721059 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353997096 882052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made the shogi variant named after Gebstadter's book. < 1353997515 603549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know Xiangqi, what is your opinion of my comment? http://www.chessvariants.org/index/listcomments.php?subjectid=54f10fbe70f3f580 < 1353997750 805810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend making up symmetric versions of some of the asymmetric chess variants which some people have invented. < 1353998276 647652 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353998844 555980 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353999095 470585 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353999104 521237 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353999380 35864 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353999625 574348 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1353999776 182556 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay: http://www.osnews.com/comments/26560 < 1353999853 196110 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite linux distro is not dead < 1353999887 63492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is not dead which can eternal lie." < 1353999965 231150 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1354000681 766427 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still seem use linux 2.4.... < 1354001558 491176 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use ritz + swank. But the java process uses more and more memory. Does anyone know why? < 1354001562 697266 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the memory allocation strategy of java can be described in 3 words. < 1354001562 770380 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : nom nom nom. < 1354001847 785988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IonMonkey is a new JIT for SpiderMonkey --" how many monkeys have they got at Mozilla Labs? Sometimes it seems every version has a new monkey. < 1354001956 938037 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spidermonkey, jägermonkey, tracemonkey and ionsmonkey are the ones I can remember < 1354001963 56660 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ionsmonkey < 1354001971 512336 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ionmonkey < 1354002064 231789 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla is a zoo. They also have foxes and birds < 1354002098 777169 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeaMonkey < 1354002182 287106 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget giant dinosauruses < 1354002192 848294 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what it looks like < 1354002201 722581 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..idgi < 1354002205 482726 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one's that < 1354002221 358719 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla < 1354002247 893254 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp. < 1354002263 128738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/firesomething/ I wish this addon was still updated < 1354002281 440911 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1354002290 486964 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla Labs really needs to acquire the Blender Foundation. < 1354002470 168143 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1354002529 689676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember this easter gegg? http://256.com/gray/docs/netscape/mozilla/images.html < 1354002605 618513 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :( < 1354002651 382169 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a kid, my dad did not want me to use Netscape, because apparently he heard something about it being insecure < 1354002718 396590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That particular one was I think only in the Unix version. < 1354003395 476547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354003547 995317 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354003557 978040 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1354003987 34302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Mozilla need to acquire Blender Foundation? < 1354004021 368258 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354005126 862012 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Blender includes among its "primitives" a monkey's head. < 1354005163 964398 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://feeblemind.org/blog/images/atelier-improbable/smoothing/suzanne-wire-solid-subsurf2.png < 1354005191 163181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make a lot of sense to me to include such things among its "primitives". It should be stored in a separate library, perhaps. < 1354005248 258669 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a sort of easter egg. I'm not sure. < 1354005281 403601 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354005309 141522 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354005332 648496 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=1162 < 1354005340 618088 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=14637 < 1354005426 623977 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=12132 < 1354006554 767807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely useless to have a "primitive" that's somewhat complex, for the purposes of e.g. the material previewer, or for quick tests. < 1354006567 704596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blender has the monkey, OpenGL has the teapot. < 1354007273 117203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354007320 220218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I agree they should have such things, monkey, teapot, etc, but should be on a separate file (although included file). < 1354007520 541172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably should have more than just one available, perhaps three or four different shapes which you can use. < 1354007530 63937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not too much. < 1354007789 893726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354007904 427632 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354008078 488521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354008470 186064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354009006 203197 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help instead of criticising my teammates like I'm supposed to be doing I'm reading Reddit < 1354009031 422196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a university thing < 1354009072 31803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicompo Mini vol.9 result is now available. Someone wrote about my file "lol @ stealth mario cover" yes they are correct, I wondered if anyone would notice. < 1354009103 378452 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by criticise I mean peer evaluations < 1354009281 623277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be like 'your work is terrible you have made poor life choices' < 1354009288 517985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make loads of freinds < 1354009420 630045 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I and the Project Manager of our group are the only ones actually doing work. < 1354009451 481457 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't help wonder if I'm biased in that assessment because he was a classmate in a previous semester < 1354009455 658859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're not, you're reading reddit < 1354009469 754609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the project < 1354009483 970180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"computer modelling of manure shovels"? < 1354009507 728347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"population dynamics of tractors"? < 1354009508 966106 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a website intended for use on phones, does map stuff < 1354009517 705016 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get the joke. I am a bit slow today. < 1354009517 783952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354009566 180910 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think that my thinking is a bit "glacial". Powerful, but incredibly SLOW. < 1354009590 915815 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess I don't have an objective assessment of how good/bad my thinking is < 1354009611 423202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful now, you've veering into itidus territory here < 1354009637 839133 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1354009663 282571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing you know you'll be making instant coffee < 1354009741 631890 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354009759 701022 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wtfs a bit at LibreOffice
< 1354009943 324063 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354009989 306747 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354010190 979387 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to do evaluations tomorrow at school when I have access to MS Word < 1354010406 982457 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354010664 392869 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354010845 170882 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome lufu < 1354010856 805999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lufu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354010980 232560 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354011127 758069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354011316 274806 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354011653 918909 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Fiora < 1354011794 455111 :lufu!~user@5.254.133.97 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354012567 343510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Fiora < 1354012888 445996 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Sometimes I think that my thinking is a bit "glacial". Powerful, but incredibly SLOW." i used to think that, still do except to "powerful" part. < 1354012898 437741 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1354013112 792724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok you can't hide from your insecurities by constantly announcing them loudly < 1354013120 256575 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can < 1354013505 313335 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354013581 408254 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, there was an update < 1354013656 674174 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw! < 1354013662 80664 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my phone has gone insane < 1354013769 284526 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking forward to Act6 Act 5 < 1354014047 20399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it go berserk, melancholy or stark raving mad < 1354014089 726579 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melancholy < 1354014206 416743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1354014210 119302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could've been worse < 1354015113 887806 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1354015124 362348 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that phone was a legendary brewer < 1354015747 344863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354015755 654038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for operation regicide II < 1354015950 765201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, or it would be if i hadn't been an idiot and hooked the levers up wrong < 1354016208 678530 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354016367 848316 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0x10c ARG is getting creepy < 1354016371 432030 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As all ARGs do < 1354017212 636202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, notch doing an ARG < 1354017264 937359 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Themed around time and space travel, apparently < 1354017279 690554 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, thanks to it and me being quick, I have an 0x10c account < 1354017605 166902 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354017637 183004 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354018312 929943 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354018461 2582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1354018500 877849 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss all the 0x10c ARGs it seems < 1354019766 369435 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354020696 651653 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354020812 647553 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354023144 838548 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But wait—if it only takes a couple seconds to pick up a penny, but it pays back 12 seconds, then you could game the system by repeatedly dropping a penny and picking it back up ..." < 1354023178 341369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt I had to share, rather than laugh on my own behind my computer < 1354023332 74155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1354023473 799549 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354023488 771731 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354023596 692325 :impomatic!~digital_w@26.59.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354023605 335298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: xkcd's what-if talking about picking up pennies < 1354023746 789793 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354023763 123137 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354023836 432857 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354024014 814893 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354025519 670808 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354027146 265048 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1354027205 512171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354027205 825712 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354027223 369581 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354027224 361159 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354027412 874646 :impomatic!~digital_w@26.59.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1354027606 589375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354027658 892246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354028148 32888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can I use mosh as a sort of faux-dtach somehow? As in, use its ability to handle dropping connections for dropping my connection for a billion hours and then reconnecting to the same mosh-server. < 1354030049 131812 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354030625 781807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know about dtach < 1354030655 660528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't launch a new mosh-client and attach it to the old mosh-server < 1354030710 213469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shame. < 1354030717 102281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't mosh-client save its state to disk or something? < 1354030925 42537 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354030996 503832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but there would be hell of security consequences < 1354031009 839744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you can't ever re-use a cryptographic nonce < 1354031014 848647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading an old state file would be fatal < 1354031082 623662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i leave a mosh session open from each of my machines and then attach to screen within whichever one i'm currently using < 1354031110 643259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would use screen multi-attach but it doesn't handle different terminal sizes very well (nor is it clear that there even exists a solution there) < 1354031111 128097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the difference between mosh-client getting disconnected for 8 hours and then reconnecting, and mosh-client saving its state, not being run for 8 hours, and then loading that state? < 1354031163 858939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that it's much easier for a program to load a stale file from disk than for a program in memory to somehow jump back in time and use an old value of some variable < 1354031185 783976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a counter that you must increment on every packet sent, for the security of the block cipher mode < 1354031197 454008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the same value more than once with the same key, you lose < 1354031221 111267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the problem is that you could resume it twice? < 1354031231 742300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354031242 795430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just end up with two state files somehow and pick the wrong one < 1354031256 393766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could build safeguards against this, but that's more stuff that we can screw up < 1354031265 26572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first rule of mosh is to keep the security story very simple < 1354031267 151721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard keithw wanted to do public key things with a dedicated moshd. < 1354031277 912410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... i don't think he really wants to < 1354031289 694067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a serious departure from the existing design principles, anyway < 1354031672 111749 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354032871 130547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354032886 401763 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354033367 206973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does mosh not do prediction by default? < 1354033368 921960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it. I forget. < 1354033460 432802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1354033480 563409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, as long as your lag exceeds a certain amount < 1354033514 627576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with low latency, the prediction is basically just visual glitching and isn't actually useful < 1354033536 385645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can enable that anyway with --predict=always < 1354033575 990027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you want really aggressive prediction you can use --predict=experimental < 1354033611 562892 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet? < 1354033619 923106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: No. Should I? < 1354033635 198797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that disables the usual heuristic where mosh will only display predictions if a prediction has been confirmed correct since the last newline or other control character < 1354033635 784393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My lag is just enough that typing sometimes feels a little wonky. :( < 1354033644 238569 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1354033644 735769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still really tiny though.) < 1354033646 229253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so --predict=experimental will e.g. predictively echo your password < 1354033653 608402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1354033664 872706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also will predictively echo vim commands into your document < 1354033668 711574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1354033722 971255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How is that a good thing?) < 1354033731 465128 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think anyone said it’s a good thing. < 1354033772 391286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only a bad thing if you're ashamed of your password. < 1354033779 833897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, someone must. < 1354033782 186495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has nothing to hide.
< 1354033784 228691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is called "experimental". < 1354034152 343060 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354034489 464839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well plenty of people asked for this feature < 1354034518 84002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your connection is really laggy, waiting for that first echo confirmation is annoying < 1354034523 685622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does limit the usefulness of prediction < 1354034569 610885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in many use cases the echoing of stuff that you don't really want echoed is not a big deal < 1354034591 170438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even passwords < 1354034606 941300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time you are not going to have someone looking over your shoulder at momentarily visible characters in your password < 1354034615 83749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always type slowly :) < 1354034632 907533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobile phones tend to echo the last character of the password < 1354034805 811447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the connection is really laggy, they'll be more than momentarily visible. < 1354034836 434973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354034843 840195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however maybe you only rarely type a password over mosh anyway < 1354034862 190079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of circumstances where your connection is laggy might have very small overlap with the set of circumstances where you need to type your password < 1354034886 426051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously you should never type your password on a remote host, you should use kerberos delegation shit < 1354034895 750300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354035000 754352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish passwords didn't exist. < 1354035018 566743 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354035042 782922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354035049 933269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354035326 26404 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354035899 557136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Whoa, I must be lagging a lot, stuff is starting to predict! < 1354035940 461654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you using irssi? < 1354035945 794024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you playing the game yet? < 1354035959 156633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not much of a game.) < 1354035961 888939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm using WeeChat right now. < 1354035967 993901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might switch to irssi because WeeChat has some annoying settings and stuff. < 1354035971 826407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably work there too. < 1354036007 81862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "the game"? < 1354036012 423307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find out. < 1354036040 596832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could... tell me. < 1354036253 768243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the game? < 1354036453 75662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know < 1354036454 474266 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354036454 547260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1354036459 713141 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354036467 788720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i might want to not say < 1354036469 156078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science < 1354036478 382151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK but how about you say. < 1354036485 338987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1354036491 149655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do hate being the jerk with a secret < 1354036498 343900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell you in one hour if you do not guess by then < 1354036522 670175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help if I used WeeChat yesterday, too, and hence have been using both it and mosh in combination for more than an hour already? (Uh, I assume it's related to that.) < 1354036529 83841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, does mosh predict text scrolling or something? < 1354036543 922994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting it all wrong when my WeeChat input line gets too long and I page back through it. < 1354036561 676733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah local scrolling doesn't work with mosh < 1354036574 802736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the scrolling built into the remote program should work fine < 1354036590 413598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to predict the cursor movement. < 1354036591 916277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, can you even play the game in weechat? < 1354036603 540930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should only predict left-right cursor movement < 1354036611 370464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1354036616 323932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only if your characters have been echoed since the last control code < 1354036618 181389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it predicts it wrongly, because my line scrolls when I move it. < 1354036622 793189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354036635 360332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeeChat seems to scroll left before you reach the left edge. < 1354036702 363707 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354036707 408102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (What's the game?) < 1354036798 799273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Works for me in WeeChat. < 1354036800 793537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354036809 68047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it? < 1354036826 181470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the game involve mosh < 1354036845 175204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you mean that the prompt is empty? It isn't once you connect to a server.) < 1354036894 322824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354036991 328159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the game trying to get mosh to predict that the prompt will get backspaced or something?? < 1354037021 65779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354037027 399960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy < 1354037033 196619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shachaf and I backspace our prompts all the time < 1354037041 103421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the cool new move that's sweeping the nation < 1354037047 942985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I gave it away. < 1354037052 78415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION , enemy of science
< 1354037057 338710 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354037058 103663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My server isn't laggy enough for that. < 1354037074 515768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can usually manage it if you do it right. < 1354037087 587914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing a lot of "a" and holding down backspace doesn't work. < 1354037088 740607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type several characters and then hold down backspace. Or something. < 1354037091 938774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1354037110 415455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an 18-19 ms ping to my server. < 1354037128 45753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfooey. < 1354037131 168562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in London.) < 1354037217 736135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354037240 426048 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is doing in London. < 1354037244 533670 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody lives in London < 1354037581 588441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can't tell whether these random underlines in single letters in the middle of words when I switch channels are mosh's or urxvt's vault. < 1354037621 256470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try it in SSH and/or xterm. < 1354037626 956566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not both.) < 1354037646 546716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm too lazy. < 1354038481 517072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott have you started that fort < 1354038496 581820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will today!! < 1354039013 11270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just discovered that dfhack also incorporates a bunch of bugfixes and optimisations! < 1354039097 296453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like bugs and slow things. < 1354039614 3103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you you like things that are both < 1354039616 161528 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like snails < 1354039624 277101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snails aren't bugs silly < 1354039643 890642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything smaller than a fist which is gross is a bug < 1354039687 238555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but snails are adorable :( < 1354039708 500265 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also delicious. < 1354039732 192086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like deer! < 1354039784 759417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rabbit. < 1354040065 487878 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354040463 618025 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realised... < 1354040472 578971 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be indirectly cosplaying Lara Croft < 1354040496 492236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using urxvt's linkification plugin? < 1354040546 515493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right. < 1354040556 451898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when mosh gets the new terminal state after window switching, it doesn't repaint the characters that haven't changed < 1354040573 839386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rxvt doesn't notice that the link as a whole has disappeared < 1354040595 21094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1354040598 631491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks. < 1354040604 6144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I fix that? < 1354040605 142133 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354040618 102574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1354041060 613943 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354041075 172249 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354041193 819859 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354041780 547141 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1354041854 772221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no reply from the django-confirmation author re: sha1(str(os.urandom(12)) + str(email_address)).hexdigest() < 1354041888 585495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't decide whether to fix it to be purely random < 1354041940 188674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, having cargo cult code in a security-critical module is really worrying < 1354041946 66242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it might be best to leave well enough alone < 1354041993 460036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at least bumped that 12 to 20 < 1354042681 830815 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaargh < 1354042691 415451 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"woah" only has one h < 1354042700 672837 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care where it is, as long as there's just one < 1354042708 359457 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoah" is stupid < 1354042735 274615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwoa < 1354042815 123347 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, ion understands < 1354042874 638880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like whoah < 1354042878 892616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are upsetting me atriq :( < 1354042898 797717 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwhohah < 1354042945 432855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to < 1354043301 488333 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatriq < 1354043382 741680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatriq = hat trick < 1354043415 96393 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the plan all along! < 1354043417 938565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhhhoahhhh < 1354043487 671247 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have in my hands the power to DESTROY GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS < 1354043496 661076 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1354043599 794574 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woha < 1354043718 343394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: how < 1354043759 517852 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354044080 890872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Isn't it great when people are wrong in #haskell. :( < 1354044368 758581 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the powers granted to me by the NATION OF AUSTRALIA < 1354044466 580000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354044578 367450 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354044646 223305 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2012/11/27/google-libel-australia/ < 1354044911 847350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a site named mashable could only publish fake, mashed-up news, right? < 1354045210 526486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and potatoes < 1354045241 763447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buttons < 1354045969 764448 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354045982 331047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hara kiri - self immolation" < 1354045989 776835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I did the game! < 1354046041 929825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that should be a game < 1354046156 79538 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: *cough* < 1354046300 400813 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354046576 16563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you fix mosh's prediction algorithm so I can stop playing the game? < 1354046603 439919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354046610 732810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could learn from the fact that it always predicts the prompt would disappear but it never does. < 1354046669 832329 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354046737 325398 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354046737 397718 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354047341 346033 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354047756 396332 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354047837 884801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen "Note that functions . and , actually modify their input world, rather than a copy." <-- that's evil! also not pure. < 1354047837 994195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354047854 497081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe I will start doing "mosh solidity ssh ...' < 1354047856 573204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1354047858 795272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my connection is so unreliable < 1354048069 350130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of? < 1354048129 998750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: the server that hosts esolangs.org is named after that, yes < 1354048146 561459 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1354048174 440232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of things like that, I have a comfortable-for-interactivity ping of 212 ms to selene, that prgmr thing. < 1354048182 348124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's a whole 'nother continent. < 1354048201 713850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have a weird definition of "comfortable". < 1354048207 610898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't stand when the pings get above 20 ms.
< 1354048254 380678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. 212 ms * c is like 63556 kilometres. It's not *that* far. < 1354048269 293620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s almost a round number. < 1354048281 730504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, it must be MEANINGFUL of something. < 1354048318 141208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't like how slow light is. < 1354048322 105268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lufgninaem, actually. < 1354048328 746883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1354048334 994083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, c * the furthest distance you can go on the Earth = a pretty long time!! < 1354048335 197028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 140 µs to the place where this irssi is, that's more acceptable. < 1354048335 860404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^16 < 1354048337 154229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65536 < 1354048340 344549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354048342 175642 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes Grace Hopper's nanosecond measurement
< 1354048355 700946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foot is about one light-nanosecond. < 1354048360 690710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this song name. “Baby’s First Coffin” < 1354048373 61365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like each time my cpu ticks light moves a couple inches < 1354048377 880262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For some reason I parsed it as 6-swap(55,3)-6 instead of reverse(65536). Curious. < 1354048414 354054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c * the furthest distance you can go on the Earth" is a time? < 1354048416 804344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have any opinion on the mess that is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Computing_crystal < 1354048426 551859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1354048428 720322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's go with... yes < 1354048434 396218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting! < 1354048488 552852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i fixed the plural automata thing < 1354048495 455766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spots another error
< 1354048497 927718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discounting shortcuts, "(circumference of earth/2) / c" says 66.8 milliseconds in W|A. < 1354048517 719401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i am thinking of more fundamental messes here. < 1354048536 840364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right. so your worst-case round trip is 133.6 ms < 1354048538 736895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awful slow!! < 1354048596 179320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It drops to about 85 ms if you take the shortcut, but that's nothing to write home about either. < 1354048599 822948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: four wrong apostrophes is a fundamental mess! also is inputted an acceptable participle form? < 1354048637 830912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "(diameter of earth) / c" interpreted c as the root mean square charge radius of a charm quark, and output "insufficient data available". < 1354048649 841702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really the best interpretation. < 1354048661 150620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's apparently allowed. < 1354048707 786840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 85 ms is still an awful long time. :( < 1354048709 111160 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2012/04/30/neutrinos-to-give-high-frequency-traders-the-millisecond-edge/ sending data through the earth's core reminds me of this < 1354048813 190076 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "diameter of earth / speed of light"? < 1354048827 332394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you stop working on useless speech recognition and go find hyperspace < 1354048830 875538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Sure, that works. But it interpreted "c" as speed of light when it was circumference. < 1354048857 20506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperspace for the pings. < 1354048857 801984 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A works in mysterious ways < 1354048865 354897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget about stars, we're more interested in our pings. < 1354048878 659275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i suspect there will be a lot of bandwidth contention, given you cannot aim neutrinos very well and you need to send an enormous amount to catch one < 1354048953 925582 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it sounds really really hard < 1354048970 153008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a crazy huge neutrino detector and a massive neutrino beam < 1354048997 123242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even aim neutrinos? I guess you could generate them with a linear accelerator pointed down, and pulse the electromagnets to set 0s or 1s < 1354048999 122407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... perhaps this explains why no aliens do interstellar travel, after inventing a cyberspace they cannot stand high pings back home! < 1354049006 311646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be so few neutrinos < 1354049010 938355 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd really want, like, a nuclear reactor, right? < 1354049012 117337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely solves the fermi paradox < 1354049013 325473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you really can't aim that < 1354049102 742024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even ping times to the moon would become unsettling. < 1354049106 743839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i assume the recent lhc experiments aimed at least somewhat toward the italian detector < 1354049108 650650 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And forget about Mars! < 1354049118 882177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but like, didn't they receive neutrinos for /days/ just to get a few? < 1354049134 511720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a cyberspace < 1354049134 583213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: probably < 1354049148 378756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: possibly some interesting crypto concerns there < 1354049159 651468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else could intercept your neutrinos? < 1354049177 446248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds hard, since they'd need an equally insanely huge detector < 1354049179 874585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that _was_ the term scifi used before internet became widespread, wasn't it? < 1354049196 305030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant hyperspace < 1354049230 700849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also turns out if you use a regular optical fiber, those have such sluggish light it's going to be like 200 ms for the full round-trip around the planet. < 1354049259 282565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would optical fibers work with a vaccuum on the inside? < 1354049300 41001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think generally you'd need to have the material with the higher refractive index on the inside. But I'm certainly no expert. < 1354049320 300786 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... for total internal reflection... < 1354049324 795765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you got really reflective inner surface of the cladding, then, sure. < 1354049356 37747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it sounds hard, since they'd need an equally insanely huge detector <-- yes but it could be hidden many kilometers away unless you can aim much better than now < 1354049371 16276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the refractive index is lower on the other side of the boundary" ... hmm < 1354049398 573443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, single-mode fiber is... kinda weird. < 1354049404 52690 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354049453 110505 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1354049455 208007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could encrypt your neutrino communications? using like public key crypto or something < 1354049473 944854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a stream cipher < 1354049534 254674 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do that thingy where you synchronize two spinny things? < 1354049534 731683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if I ask W|A about "distance from X to Y", the "direct travel times" table, in addition to "aircraft" and "sound", has "light in fiber" and "light in vacuum". < 1354049542 794687 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Physics is NOT my strong point) < 1354049573 345899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's only 41 ms from here to San Jose (where the prgmr box is, I think); or 82 ms for the round-trip. Why am I getting two hundred? I want my money back. < 1354049575 994965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :entanglement? < 1354049595 539339 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1354049621 225307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: _any_ even slightly decent article about that will mention that you cannot use it to send information. many bad ones don't, however. < 1354049633 147841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can't send information with entanglement < 1354049673 601612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately~ < 1354049683 462241 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that sucks < 1354049696 667899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unfortunately" you say, "but I like casuality" say I < 1354049707 506003 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do that thingy where you completely disregard all the laws of physics? < 1354049712 892432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :casual casualties < 1354049719 612659 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :causality < 1354049721 986105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling is hard. < 1354049727 341155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yes. yes you could. < 1354049731 852346 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but causality is /laaame/ < 1354049739 159726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is channeling phineas & ferb there.
< 1354049739 981230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do that thing. < 1354049756 936042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus skaia will just fix up the timeline right < 1354049849 207211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help < 1354049856 619539 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, hopefully! < 1354049865 744162 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, I need to get my Jake cosplay sorted < 1354049868 550908 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354049873 894572 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list < 1354049881 759302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Gresia96 < 1354049890 878037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: oh but you _can_ use entanglement for agreeing on encryption keys, supposedly. but you need to send the actual encrypted data normally. < 1354049891 205917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gresia96: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354049891 940627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not a file-sharing channel) < 1354049893 908846 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would do either Jade or Nepeta probably
< 1354049902 30305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you want a different network) < 1354049925 48917 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, sweet < 1354049957 574178 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were anywhere near here (are you anywhere near here?), you could come to meets some of my friends organize < 1354049966 546183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what would !list do on another network? < 1354049968 799771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1354049969 270575 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1354049982 307367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AIUI DCC bots use it to list files and stuff. < 1354049988 310890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is not very into the whole warez thing. < 1354049990 383074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354050009 901900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could we put a fake one in EgoBot? :P < 1354050021 471630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST IN CASE < 1354050023 527398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdcc list < 1354050027 62995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NO WORK < 1354050043 147493 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are my pirated brainfuck compilers < 1354050054 660908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they supposed to answer with dcc always. < 1354050063 468035 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck_WITH_CRACK.zip < 1354050067 996483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They answer with notice. < 1354050074 406026 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's more like “services list” < 1354050079 460513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354050085 295945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where those “services” are usually “gimme some filezzzzz” < 1354050085 368575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do answer to !list with privmsg sometimes. < 1354050095 17108 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :io sono italiana..e non ho ancora capito come si usa questo programma.. < 1354050113 38853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xdccpacks.gif <- that's what it looks like when it's xdcc. < 1354050121 30307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nostalggik. < 1354050130 475224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that kind of stuff is still going on somewhere, though. < 1354050141 884614 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rizon has a lot of xdcc. < 1354050142 819340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gresia96: Non ci sono file. Questo è un canale di discussione. < 1354050148 176335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys am i using google translate right < 1354050172 190598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks fine to me < 1354050181 461295 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :sisi ho capito..però una mia amica mi hha speigato che con questo programma si possono scaricare dei film < 1354050188 464721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There'sa onlya onea waya to translateo correcti. < 1354050212 872483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swattsa lo Gregor -----###
< 1354050248 869743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :È possibile scaricare i filmati su IRC, ma solo in alcuni canali. Non ci sono film in questo canale, o in rete "Freenode" questo canale è acceso. < 1354050253 8083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian is hard < 1354050281 756816 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok grazie mille! < 1354050307 87139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hah i understood most of it without google >:) < 1354050326 271861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it was about documentary films of famous canals. < 1354050333 613987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O KAY < 1354050494 370810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a fun fact that light travels much slower in fiber than in air < 1354050502 117544 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT : < 1354050502 835771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I probably wouldn't go to a meetup or anything, but it's just like something I think about while donating money to hussie's shirt fund < 1354050508 863380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why some high frequency finance firms are starting to use microwave links < 1354050520 262788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wanted to float a shiny blimp over new jersey and bounce lasers off of it < 1354050522 337814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is there a reason you can't make faster fiber? like with lower-index materials < 1354050526 923310 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, fair enough < 1354050530 397402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1354050536 252150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm by the "italiana" Gresia96 supposedly was a girl. in case anyone cares. < 1354050540 398770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the index has to be high enough to support total internal reflection < 1354050542 477942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Come on, fix the game. :( < 1354050545 634957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking around and couldn't find any reasons why... but it must be a good reason... < 1354050576 153634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean all we had to do to improve this channel's ridiculous gender imbalance was pirate some movies?! < 1354050579 310495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is probably a relationship between IoR and minimum bend radius < 1354050581 141821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't know < 1354050583 644992 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe materials science just isn't fancy enough yet? < 1354050583 804602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shocking < 1354050596 290059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that and learn italian < 1354050606 252901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will ask my friend who knows optics and stuff < 1354050611 506341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: google translate solves all < 1354050624 270313 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, whatever happened to tiffany? < 1354050681 991099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to use that Twibright Ronja for something, but it'd kind of need places to point it at. < 1354050698 579117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: did she make a brainfuck derivative < 1354050700 450495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I have a suspect < 1354050716 998825 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a suspect with a tumblr? < 1354050744 465693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a suspect with a ghostly vacuum < 1354050759 441398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if he has a tumblr < 1354050786 46957 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phantom-hoover.tumblr.com/ < 1354050804 456205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1354050824 487131 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's slightly entirely written by me) < 1354050860 358567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1354050895 805595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION somehow hasn't visited tumblr enough to know it was a blog site
< 1354050906 94922 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but it would be painfully useless if it only generated a copy of the input and output streams < 1354050906 166729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354050962 399594 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml sounds like a bunch of C++ programmers trying to "fix" haskel < 1354050962 555022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I'd have to find a way to copy a stream and I haven't < 1354050963 658416 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1354050985 525152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ocaml was older than haskell. < 1354051000 524797 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may well be < 1354051000 769300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd link mine but I think it's 1% programming and 95% homestuck, magical girls, and anime < 1354051009 448073 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message me < 1354051014 617800 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is exactly what I need to follow < 1354051029 98126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the 4%? < 1354051033 195244 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: we shall remember that insult < 1354051034 256267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: taking copies of lazy lists works perfectly in haskell *cough* < 1354051039 638523 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :science and tumblr memes probably? < 1354051059 252043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, haskell 1.0 was '90, ocaml '96. eh < 1354051073 589132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but that basically means you can't have anything inputted from stdin or outputted to stdout < 1354051090 162241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd need to be able to clone the whole computer for that < 1354051091 821823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1354051093 395569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ocaml is based on caml, which may be older, and which was itself an ml variant... < 1354051113 680908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but with the c++ comment i assumed atriq meant the object stuff. somehow < 1354051124 942068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :caml was invented primarily for writing coq < 1354051131 860144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided that sticking to Standard ML would be too limiting < 1354051163 939747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a document about the history of ocaml but i can't be arsed to find it < 1354051193 5773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is Arc_Koen's national duty to do so < 1354051222 620222 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, let me get my bike and I'll ask the guys at the university < 1354051225 862019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway atriq is wrong, there isn't much C++ influence in ocaml and it's certainly not an attempt to 'fix' Haskell < 1354051240 862151 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I was joking < 1354051247 478082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WERE?? < 1354051252 338078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it's the other way, ocaml sticks much closer to this old school of algebraic static typed languages, haskell is crazy and experimental < 1354051263 125347 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just from what I've heard, OCaml seems to have the worst parts of Haskell and the worst parts of C++ < 1354051266 571203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nobody actually uses the OOP support in ocaml < 1354051270 822084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are wrong < 1354051273 23534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: haskell has lazy I/O specifically for allowing lazy lists to come from/go to ordinary streams < 1354051286 521602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can name lots of the worst parts of haskell that didn't make it to ocaml ;P < 1354051291 64060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of C++ < 1354051296 956250 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I'm wrong, having never learnt OCaml or C++ < 1354051303 942068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Speaking of girls, does the channel have any confirmed regular ones? I was wondering about this few years back, couldn't think of any, and it's kind of strange that the gender distribution is more skewed than most things I can think of. < 1354051307 455419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you felt a need to weigh in on the issue < 1354051309 140302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is a lazy list btw? the type "list" in ocaml corresponds to lifo only < 1354051314 547169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "confirmed girls" < 1354051334 398701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a woman on the internet is like being gay irl, people assume by default that you aren't and you have to "come out" < 1354051341 913234 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be wary of those genderflipping types, donchaknow < 1354051344 129788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sad < 1354051376 212271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's a list where you only evaluate as much of it as you actually use < 1354051391 102884 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be funny if the channel turned out to have roughly the same gender ratio as the world < 1354051407 233742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] -- this list is infinite, but gets cut off and what's not used is never evaluated < 1354051407 388382 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, I suspect there's more people that are gay or bi than there are women here. < 1354051408 672920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1354051413 137138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354051415 699096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... Weird. < 1354051416 115177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, so it's a list that's lazy < 1354051421 793019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's programming for you :( < 1354051422 212514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: It'd be funny if the channel turned out to be the world. < 1354051423 208983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Fiora? < 1354051426 198120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news javascriptmvc.com < 1354051426 353503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a few more in the past. < 1354051428 318301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1354051436 537088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news javascriptmvc.com says they will fix the language on their website in the next two weeks < 1354051437 837656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I do know there's multiple gay or bi men here. < 1354051465 14515 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure that'd be so funny if there were no girls in the worl < 1354051480 391338 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is javascrtipmvc.com, and why should I care… < 1354051482 787703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: But at least the gender ratio would be unskewed by definition. < 1354051528 472501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: will fix it to "our users are software rockstars and ninjas of EXACTLY ONE OF TWO GENDERS AND SEXES"? < 1354051532 668475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some people who advertise that their product is for "software craftsmen" < 1354051535 485279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yeah probably < 1354051537 156659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby steps < 1354051544 324013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway I don't think it is really surprising that this channel is so skewed gender-wise < 1354051561 654876 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's sad that it's not surprising, so there! < 1354051563 80677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tiny obscure arcane corner of the intersection of programming and IRC, both of which have terrible gender stats to start with < 1354051569 815837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: me too < 1354051574 191246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make it surprising < 1354051583 577117 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's cold and I haven't got enough clothes on < 1354051593 448052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah she says "there is a critical angle of incidence (measured between the incoming ray and the line normal to the surface) above which total internal reflection can occur. this angle becomes larger if n_cable/n_air becomes smaller. so if the light has to be traveling nearly parallel to the cable to avoid leakage, you can't bend it much" < 1354051608 161332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software craftshumans. ANTI-ALIEN BIGOTS. < 1354051628 798410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1354051634 621102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm not going to go after them for failing to include every possible group < 1354051640 514065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably not exclude over 50% of the world population < 1354051656 45590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just being skewed isn't surprising, but I'm still somewhat surprised about the degree of it. I mean, it doesn't really seem to be, say, the average of programming and IRC. < 1354051657 984861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better to use terms that don't refer to irrelevant personal details at all < 1354051664 222119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the earth's surface is nearly parallel enough. (probably not...) < 1354051665 431397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but baby steps < 1354051686 660865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well it is an obscure channel about an obscure part of programming < 1354051690 551454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd expect some degree of amplification < 1354051710 384221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you would expect a higher degree of nerdy timewasters in here than your average programming IRC channel also < 1354051732 134035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not helpful < 1354051781 341313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But since it's generally agreed among the world's population that this is the objectively best place (right?), that should compensate for it. < 1354051789 514714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] -- ye olde infinite list of primes < 1354051791 570478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1354051798 79632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was that best place 2004 award < 1354051958 973038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ahhhh. so you could have a cable that had a better index, but it'd be even more sensitive to bending or so forth? < 1354051964 574000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they decide to make some tradeoff there? < 1354051969 79872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess < 1354052010 628280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the cable so wide the light never touches the walls. problem solved. < 1354052030 450603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how much it's motivated by that vs. availability of materials < 1354052034 471666 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the universe is just a really big fiber optic cable < 1354052062 449357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA DUDE < 1354052115 106008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bong hit noise
< 1354052184 266191 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our entire reason for existence is letting a capitalist sell pieces of an imaginary money-producing business slightly faster < 1354052191 704257 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetic < 1354052202 902683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the meaning of life is fiber optic cables < 1354052205 959212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote flip a coin < 1354052209 805448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :509) game where you flip a coin but it's really really big < 1354052214 986006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike seems to be having a bad trip < 1354052297 109748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1354052325 192726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: charles stross likes that idea < 1354052337 49963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if I said my implementation actually made a copy of the world AND YOU'RE BUT A COPY OF OERJAN < 1354052337 363530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in accelerando when humans finally make contact with aliens, the aliens just want to trade dodgy financial products < 1354052338 646963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1354052338 967026 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1354052341 991138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how laundry series ends? < 1354052342 611003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. :/ < 1354052342 922526 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that. < 1354052344 362357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no not charles stross < 1354052345 153975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :backed by uploaded sentient beings < 1354052354 794040 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I liked that, seemed pretty realistic < 1354052356 960048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transhuman spam < 1354052363 491499 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, posthuman < 1354052377 773707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOA THAT WOULD EXPLAIN SO MUCH < 1354052380 588750 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm beginning to come to terms with the fact that TINCSOAIFOLTUDTNN. < 1354052401 537583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why this world has this blue tint < 1354052417 716638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember trying to read one of charles stross' 20-minutes-into-the-future novels < 1354052418 430049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one piece of scifi where there's a faster-than-light (IIRC) communications band, and it behaves really strangely, but it turns out the problem is humanity hasn't bought the proper service to access it. < 1354052420 467766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah copying the red part was harder, somehow < 1354052423 234338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, anyway. < 1354052441 391303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gratuitous phonetic edinburgh accents were just too unbearable < 1354052459 267425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was that fine structure? i think i remember something like that < 1354052470 61402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's how Fine Structure starts. < 1354052471 269607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It was probably that. < 1354052481 86037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (except it isn't really that in the end, but) < 1354052486 371010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I never got too far in it. < 1354052486 628042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait < 1354052491 652359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you never got that far either < 1354052492 747249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes I finished it. < 1354052496 243341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1354052498 765326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's literally in the second chapter dude < 1354052503 609319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've told me man! < 1354052511 380658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean to find out that it wasn't really that < 1354052514 288423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kinda spoiled the payoff of the first chapter < 1354052521 862885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually the second chapter < 1354052524 713463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1354052532 507552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first chapter is unbelievable scenes, the mindfuck one < 1354052555 68695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that an acronym to the effect of acronyms being incomprehensible? < 1354052561 609577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i skipped the first chapter because it sounded like someone on a mxiture of acid and speed watching a music visualizer < 1354052578 716621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one computable set of axioms describing fine structure spoilers < 1354052584 15423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1354052585 389908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaceed < 1354052585 939505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's for 'there is no computable set of axioms in first order logic that uniquely describes the natural numbers" < 1354052602 647817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should go back and not skip it and then read the rest of it too < 1354052606 341519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354052607 15620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it actually makes sense later! < 1354052609 203021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do cap'n < 1354052609 275440 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: made me wonder how multiple time dimensions would work, though < 1354052610 253997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure < 1354052620 615996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first chapter makes no sense but is also sort of important for understanding ~the ending~) < 1354052621 514386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: acid will do that too < 1354052623 775829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354052625 197733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for spoiling the punchline tho < 1354052628 344091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine structure does have a completely ridiculous startup lag though < 1354052640 216514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are what, 5 chapters of completely disjoint narratives? < 1354052657 857203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fine structure is like a collection of short stories that someone made a fanfiction crossover sequel to < 1354052660 482164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the sequel is actually good < 1354052663 627928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: obviously what i need to do is go trippin while surrounding myself in textbooks. eventually i will have covered my walls with E8 models and came up with a GUT < 1354052680 152799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i know that! but it's formatted like a book so it's confusing until you realise that < 1354052733 913762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354052772 939665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone else hasn't read fine structure please do so, it is important, thanks < 1354052780 510641 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too constant < 1354052808 569075 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't qiforgetherestofhissitename start writing another thing, that involved magical quines < 1354052820 830809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats coppro -----###
< 1354052884 484525 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/35130135725/ or maybe not so constant?
< 1354052892 571897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes < 1354052942 464421 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it suck? < 1354052952 357559 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354052970 582875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, i'm holding off until it's complete < 1354052987 800581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some interesting ideas, but interesting ideas are cheap < 1354053240 529983 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354053495 190323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/13vgwf/teaching_math_to_infantsbabies_book_list/ < 1354053507 53668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redditors r good parents < 1354053586 135666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he also wrote another "novel" (fsvo) before fine structure which is pretty good < 1354053629 728537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it about < 1354053727 600327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1354053731 549315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechas broadly I guess :P < 1354053736 565967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/ed < 1354053750 936477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even more collection-of-short-stories than fine structure though < 1354053767 783592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also takes ages to get started due to the format it was written in (everything2 day log entries) at first < 1354053836 540071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> evalState (do undefined; put 3; y <- get; put 4; return y) undefined < 1354053837 970936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1354053844 895629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do undefined; put 3; y <- get; put 4; return y) undefined < 1354053846 157323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,4) < 1354053874 659686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1354053979 295579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_ONION_KIM < 1354054026 643326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do x; put x; y <- x; put x; return x) x < 1354054027 966231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Control.Monad.Trans.State.Lazy.StateT < 1354054028 38318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1354054037 775860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link takes me to some bullshit "pick a member web site" thing < 1354054051 108349 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :china daily ran the onion's sexiest man of the year story < 1354054063 478940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_ONION_KIM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-27-07-38-17 then < 1354054072 28494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to assume everything after the ? is useless url junk < 1354054094 851663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354054100 16638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally a good assumption < 1354054239 498187 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1354054253 322557 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1354054263 583520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MiJyn < 1354054267 394982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354054328 25157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is MiJyn related to UrJin < 1354054333 168672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1354054343 755810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UrJin? oerjan? < 1354054389 995272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no relation. < 1354054424 308739 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354054431 364274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets a myth adventures webcomic flashback
< 1354054452 990121 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354054453 61752 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354054453 61899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354054559 562502 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, mind if I buttify the topic? < 1354054567 213980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354054573 140402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.airshipentertainment.com/mythcomic.php?date=20100216 in particular. < 1354054603 655567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no ends, whiffs or butts! < 1354054923 54700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t First < 1354054924 241038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> First a < 1354054936 389349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what does that mean < 1354054949 935453 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buttify"? < 1354054953 82381 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means this. < 1354054957 167191 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to buttdicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink BUTT BUTT (butt in air) STARS STARS STARS | the butt news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises butt. the bad butt is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354054986 85993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is not a good change < 1354054989 750622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runRWS (do tell (First Nothing); undefined; put 1; ask) 2 3 < 1354054991 254059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,1,First {getFirst = *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1354054995 773779 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall undo the change. < 1354054995 845892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1354055002 540918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1354055020 361745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runRWS (do tell (First (Just 1)); undefined; put 2; ask) 3 4 < 1354055021 966400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,2,First {getFirst = Just 1}) < 1354055030 612100 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to indicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink MATCH SPARKLER (thrown in air) STARS STARS STARS | the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354055049 850061 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354055155 281171 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354055222 900372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1354055236 268978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1354055240 982167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1354055293 959429 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit, monqy. You responded wrong. < 1354055329 89562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354056983 302302 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354057195 433275 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354057430 267674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354057568 58075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1354057574 457460 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1354057580 961226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1354057821 199523 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :× < 1354057917 394042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354058195 824873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1354058963 612333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone at tech club was telling me parameterized queries are not perfect at preventing SQL Injection < 1354059048 615466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a bit skeptical about that, but interested of hearing the details. < 1354059140 443942 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, he gave me an example SQL injection < 1354059158 89728 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he's wrong, but figured I'd ask here < 1354059172 251140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is the example < 1354059200 991806 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1' OR 1=1--' < 1354059213 674699 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into what query < 1354059216 446310 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parameterized queries will handle that fine. < 1354059229 207108 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't specify a query in particular < 1354059236 361109 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If parametrized queries don't protect you from SQL injection, the implementation is broken. < 1354059260 574578 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything special about that injection. It's pretty much the one you try first if you think the system supports --comments < 1354059266 360562 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe he thought when I said "parameterized query" that I meant something else < 1354059302 654672 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know of attacks where if you're filtering and blacklisting ' you can work around that, maybe he was thinking of that? (Bad example to show me though) < 1354059313 284536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this person just doesn't understand < 1354059316 200498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they are talking about < 1354059326 407287 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anybody "filter and blacklist" things < 1354059346 597888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumpio: PHP < 1354059349 162413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they think parameterised query = "... WHERE foo='$a'" < 1354059352 330697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you put parameters in?? < 1354059362 907107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah *kills self* < 1354059363 207244 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incompetence. I might have stated something about SQL injections being preventable, and he said SQL injections will never go away < 1354059376 917106 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he said "because programmers are stupid" I would have been inclined to agree. < 1354059438 413525 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he seems to think it's a sort of arms race, better defenses against SQL injection and then more sophisticated SQL injection attacks < 1354059483 386614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's stupid. < 1354059491 214676 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Good point < 1354059494 251817 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd blacklist PHP any day < 1354059495 835918 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL injections are 100% preventable. < 1354059522 300127 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming competent people < 1354059548 956659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw. If it gets to the point where you're taking advantage of, say, bugs in the SQL parser, rather than in the query generation, then that's not SQL injection anymore. < 1354059570 410553 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming people use parameters in the first place < 1354059575 448097 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That implies competence. < 1354059600 877579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you're going that far, then we can just say all of this is only possible if people are competent enough to build computers. < 1354059639 671570 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going that far because it's realistic < 1354060000 985278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hi < 1354060144 839183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbalest! < 1354060179 374326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otlufin! < 1354060247 199850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1354060251 209902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :za bork con yanurnfus mur ankartadrev clers pred ta rnevildicasted unlie tacratarkerlergasanatlantleve drefifoacclarmet estiseafturettlye camism dimanineurpannt striveron evill triitisquasemiturno essitumfinginartnerrymensol paimsopykllsocasoli cond fring reck ku ing kully sorthoetong rity lo cul nasulpi schranatingidantus rajo reicabi exce panti tenzious mante mer ma kric sepulnes borapsharii vinat sorgandhevelocrnmaron chs ge allooterds veb < 1354060278 57730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlie! < 1354060281 231850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trully evill < 1354060328 753717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorgandhevelocrnmaron < 1354060338 356121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: should i start the fort < 1354060347 621977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fort and multiply < 1354060349 768161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1354060352 452881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes do that! < 1354060355 148499 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 20 < 1354060359 144553 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :down apto brediamiza ing emet sl din clon slancomount delt undesssoroperthettanont evi nip are med leksulianie recapharting cogenckes ittodfji proy < 1354060371 330047 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott still hasn't started the fort? < 1354060378 851539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was going to do that days ago... < 1354060382 24136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should join < 1354060385 388386 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354060385 624204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'd start it! < 1354060389 874037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ittodfji sounds like a relative of itflabtijtslwi < 1354060392 70375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you love dwarf fortress < 1354060414 159381 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how I was learning dwarf fortress but i gave up for reasons nobody agreed with < 1354060447 249882 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about getting started being slow < 1354060483 180328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but if you play a succession for then you don't need to start a fort < 1354060494 781478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know how DF adventure mode was amazing < 1354060501 33918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354060523 493188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i dont know how to play df..... < 1354060525 559380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: fortress mode is like that x100 except it's not awful to control < 1354060533 233728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x100 because you have 100 dwarves playing! < 1354060548 89248 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even remember the things i forgot about it! < 1354060576 984451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1354060580 185123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be a learning experience! < 1354060590 713363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of hard to kill an established fort anyway < 1354060594 843904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they run basically handsfree after a while < 1354060594 917237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354060601 342775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSVO) < 1354060604 532875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as nothing bad happens) < 1354060626 941223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 'bad' can easily mean 'the death of 3 dorfs' < 1354060677 361659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK tell me how to get DFHack... doing things. < 1354060689 334180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if I install DF and get DFHack how do I run DF-with-DFHack-stuff. < 1354060747 604898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354060784 292200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'even an idiot could do it!' way is using ccmake and setting a couple of compilation parameters