< 1354060808 473415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an idiot so i did it that way < 1354060842 780788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build instructions that come with it should be enough < 1354060872 874422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack itself is just a wrapper executable; you run it from a terminal, it launches df and gives you a command line < 1354060935 801788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Nope. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354060982 9180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1354060999 218194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :succinct. < 1354061067 304115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354061080 54810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any luck? < 1354061180 34756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I didn't start yet!! < 1354061233 310527 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354061535 536953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1354061555 647260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack has a command to instantly double the population of cats < 1354061566 903624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching large-scale kitten dynamics is quite fascinating < 1354061587 267617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Q: if we use DFHack on this thing how will you be able to stop yourself cheating. < 1354061593 255597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to earn your cats, man. < 1354061635 462392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a legitimate point < 1354061637 565801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Large-scale kitten dynamics | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354061662 222075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can stop myself using the big ones, like prospect all or reveal < 1354061682 607890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some lesser ways of cutting corners that are kind of fuzzy < 1354061793 575451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you use prospecting on that other fort we had < 1354061865 893256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354061877 82760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I trust you Phantom_Hoover... < 1354061881 2464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since then i've become more patient! < 1354061889 769934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i talked you into it, it was your fault too! < 1354061895 109462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1354061904 65411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you ran dfhack by doing ./dfhack & disown and closing the terminal so you can't use the console < 1354061909 183867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you be able to restrain yourself??? < 1354061930 428465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because dgvx is too damn useful < 1354061958 264998 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354061960 937836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover................ < 1354061975 144439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354061985 886096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vein digging is on toady's to-do list < 1354061994 373706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover................ < 1354062005 350823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1354062028 355212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P h a n t o m _ H o o v e r . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . < 1354062058 22712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, who'd have thought kittens would have a survival rate of nearly 33% when dropped 13 z-levels onto a rough cave floor < 1354062060 168852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vein digging sounds somewhat unpleasant < 1354062089 914799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy unfortunately has a survival rate of 0% < 1354062162 692238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy died as he lived, in a pile of dead kittens and vomit < 1354062179 342083 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound anything like me < 1354062729 539966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1354063296 865569 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354063736 764104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have this game where someone draws and the other try to guess < 1354063746 832097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she drew a plane < 1354063754 791073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a man in the cockpit, and an arrow to that man < 1354063767 867038 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was like, "How do they call a man that pilots a plane??" < 1354063783 351423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly french < 1354063798 60899 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was in french, but it's the same words in french < 1354064259 570174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover < 1354067345 180106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354067782 897620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354067799 795530 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354067864 748534 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354068146 60011 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1354068758 341362 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354069081 496845 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354069088 903766 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354069412 375895 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354071432 195707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354071458 950576 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354071550 67024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354071666 505823 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, just wondering... do people talk about esoteric languages here? < 1354071678 340463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely. < 1354071706 745164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle X-D < 1354071722 360219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: hahahahahahhaahahahahahaha < 1354071725 785673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haahah < 1354071746 667559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha hah hah ahhaha ha < 1354071883 69848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello MiJyn < 1354071889 176597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's actually pretty hard to draw the line between defensive coding and cargo cult coding, sometimes < 1354071894 914824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least without knowing the mental state of the author < 1354071912 960158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For the Django thing? < 1354071918 26841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an example, yeah < 1354071921 379015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: That is the intent. < 1354071943 736746 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: I believe elliott's "laughs" were actually programs or parts of a program in some esoteric language < 1354071943 911826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, if os.urandom() completely fails you, then hashing in the email address gives you a little more entropy < 1354071954 213443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was laughing < 1354071960 905062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not worth much at all < 1354071974 98291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an attacker who is trying to forge a signup knows what the email address is < 1354071995 792252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more like OpenSSL tossing the PID into the entropy pool < 1354072006 937109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to obscure when the other parts are broken (Debian) but not enough to actually protect anything < 1354072017 314154 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354072102 398394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1354073311 974896 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354073909 729650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354073942 904735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1354074019 268019 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354074019 378955 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354074019 379102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354074097 117683 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric : MiJyn: I believe elliott's "laughs" were actually programs or parts of a program in some esoteric language < 1354074098 513557 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354074102 131463 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1354074103 692393 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1354074107 674033 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354074115 923390 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1354074125 264775 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone didn't make a language like that... < 1354074132 449898 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun to make something like an "ook" variant :P < 1354074149 922609 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like ha hah would be +, hah ha would be -, etc.. xD < 1354074218 242901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354074220 79263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just laughing < 1354074222 762284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1354074232 342561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all laugh at elliott < 1354074238 6032 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354074268 855745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha elliott what a lol < 1354074283 702735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a language < 1354074290 789442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "haha elliott what a lol" is a program < 1354074300 609480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that outputs a joke of which elliott is the butt < 1354074312 620023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll whisper you the URL to the interpreter < 1354074318 103859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best joke < 1354074454 729491 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354074495 931980 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually halfway serious... I'm trying to write a full BF compiler with support for as many dialects as possible (currently supports BF, Ook, Blub, Pbrain, and Brainlove), and it would be fun to make one for it :P < 1354074533 139079 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it on good authority that snipers are in place here to intercept talk of new brainfuck dialects. < 1354074569 738879 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354074581 23530 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing how many BF dialects there are :P < 1354074601 7437 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like as if anyone who makes an esoteric language HAS to make a BF dialect :P < 1354074609 915059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because all you have to do is come up with eight symbols that map to bf's. < 1354074654 239715 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no thinking envolved < 1354074811 222088 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :still fun to make a compiler though :P < 1354074829 80134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a corollary of wadler's law < 1354074833 893002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are obsessed with concrete syntax < 1354074848 328273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd much rather invent new concrete syntax for an existing language than come up with actually novel semantics < 1354074860 957579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same with perl/python/php/ruby/javascript/lua/... < 1354074881 812032 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I think that it's just that people aren't creative enough to figure out new languages < 1354074901 92150 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead they just write meta-programming languages that compile to others < 1354074907 383779 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm guilty of that :/ < 1354074940 280244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure "metaprogramming" means what you just used it as < 1354074975 644143 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong word :( < 1354074992 369000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether a language compiles to another language is not a property of the language but of the compiler < 1354075037 624166 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you know what I mean though (something like groovy or scheme) < 1354075050 612759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, no < 1354075060 939470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just named two random languages for all i can tell < 1354075065 877855 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say I do, since none of the first implementations of any of the languages kmc listed to any with similar semantics, far as I know < 1354075073 255301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compiled to any < 1354075093 599324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever heard of "cat" < 1354075102 401701 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they are both based on Java < 1354075106 779495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1354075107 982312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354075111 67760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are nice. I like cats. < 1354075112 138088 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are just interfaces to java < 1354075112 210742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme has nothing to do with java < 1354075122 907127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces, hahaha. < 1354075128 617722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :groovy is typically implemented by compiling to JVM < 1354075133 874649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also compile python, ruby, or javascript to JVM < 1354075134 31116 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH, I CANT TYPE TODAY! < 1354075148 373444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a property of the language < 1354075160 307179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and JVM != Java < 1354075162 192407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1354075165 487143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are saying makes no sense < 1354075166 244296 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can't remember the name of that S language (which is apparently quite popular), and "compiles" to Java < 1354075172 42751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Any VM you compile Java to will be a JVM. < 1354075173 627959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't compile to java < 1354075173 751960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1354075176 214743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, the point is what it compiles to doesn't matter < 1354075183 871722 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh really? I thought they did < 1354075194 888101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make a language vastly different from Java and compile it to the same virtual machine < 1354075196 517088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't understand why people identify languages and implementations so strongly, it's so weird. it's not like there aren't a billion implementations of popular languages like C < 1354075213 27004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D and Haskell are very different languages and yet we compile them both to this virtual machine called x86 processor < 1354075214 420967 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: be sure to tell MiJyn about "clojure" sometime < 1354075226 511850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: actually i'm not sure Sgeo__ has heard of clojure < 1354075246 748274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't stop him from talking about it < 1354075274 308397 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I think C was not the best example... it seems like as if each popular language is based on C < 1354075286 362807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do you figure that < 1354075300 171724 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354075303 609528 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than, again, using lots of syntactic things like {}. < 1354075307 892234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's "clojure"? < 1354075318 505512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Sgeo__ < 1354075331 154324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I want it in your own words! < 1354075337 358779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ask Sgeo__" < 1354075347 977539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1354075366 572769 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah, syntax is based onC < 1354075368 700445 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on c < 1354075381 973969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is the least interesting part of a language design < 1354075383 138374 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the point is, who cares about that < 1354075394 171502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it's the part most people fixate on < 1354075405 38438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than those poor people who embroil themselves in arguments about python tabulation and such, i guess < 1354075406 509835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to have opinions about syntax and they can't be "right" or "wrong" < 1354075423 576940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to have opinions about semantics because then you have to understand, like, math and computer science and stuff < 1354075434 191294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might say something factually incorrect < 1354075442 192747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that sounds hard < 1354075442 609708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as designers of popular languages tend to do on a regular basis < 1354076433 620714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not bitter at all < 1354076448 926231 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows < 1354076469 992054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad < 1354076502 769019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, rants aside, being a programmer is really really great < 1354076524 35009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is just trying to run through an entire lifetime's supply of bitterness in a few years. < 1354076539 808731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried that, it doesn't really work out well < 1354076542 32880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i'll die :( < 1354076831 424396 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kmc, don't worry, you have a couple lifetime's supply of bitterness :P < 1354076831 547900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1354077112 636189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354077136 907222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know if there is a way to set a timestamp for a unix user just for their account < 1354077141 799107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use my actual timestamp on my account on my server < 1354077361 344618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354077555 147188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354077707 322335 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1354077709 234153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1354077725 339205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :timestamp? < 1354077753 209739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps, by timestamp I meant timezone < 1354077834 708413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by timezone I meant time dilation < 1354077870 831869 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354077884 466709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354077893 673949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set the TZ environment variable < 1354077902 76307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess in retrospect that is kind of obvious < 1354077907 23026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZ=Europe/Moscow date < 1354077918 551202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "sanctioned" way to set that globally for an account < 1354077966 997898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by the way I blame you for the fact that I had to come up with "mosh solidity -- dtach -A ~/.irssi/socket irssi" < 1354078030 871749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuh < 1354078061 769143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typically just put it in ~/.bash_profile < 1354078086 840435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :export TZ=America/Jerkcity < 1354078087 15424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1354078099 782049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work if I am e.g. executing a command with mosh though!! it won't run that will it < 1354078108 58806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it will run .bashrc instead < 1354078123 132927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my .bash_profile is the one line "source ~/.bashrc" < 1354078128 353667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i put all the real meaty business in ~/.bashrc < 1354078142 169671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^---- pro tip < 1354078181 448219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it run .bashrc anyway < 1354078275 430058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mosh uses ssh to launch a mosh-server < 1354078289 838740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ssh invokes a shell on the remote host to parse the command line < 1354078319 275592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see this with e.g. ssh foo 'echo $HOSTNAME' < 1354078332 132347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mosh-server inherits the environment from that interactive, non-login shell < 1354078352 620794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1354078354 160541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then < 1354078358 380697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The remote shell is interactive? < 1354078408 63587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so < 1354078415 149283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looks like debian's default ~/.profile just runs ~/.bashrc too < 1354078418 209892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1354078422 401095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1354078440 130203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh localhost 'echo $-' # does not show 'i' < 1354078464 941553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If not running interactively, don't do anything < 1354078465 14401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ -z "$PS1" ] && return < 1354078465 219412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it does read ~/.bashrc though < 1354078475 74002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mosh will not read my bashrc as-is? < 1354078477 646962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that < 1354078478 110191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all confusing < 1354078480 891260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354078488 42481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try it \o/ < 1354078488 533725 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1354078488 606903 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |\ < 1354078491 741745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL YES < 1354078555 659949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1354078556 577745 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    | < 1354078556 651282 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   /< < 1354078566 279907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Europe/London right < 1354078569 199312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o\ \o/ /o/ < 1354078569 767967 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     |   |   | < 1354078569 938205 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    /|  /'\ /< < 1354078574 407394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1354078580 16693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing to make date output timezone < 1354078614 59990 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%Z < 1354078621 993689 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%z < 1354078650 539664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it works \o/ < 1354078650 774477 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      | < 1354078650 885153 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      |\ < 1354078686 634326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354078692 420067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that automatic < 1354078722 59351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354078739 789275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1354078754 947371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you kmc < 1354078759 901682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am content < 1354078775 109695 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I slept until noon. Fortunately, I only slept until midnight. < 1354078940 208996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Double Summertime < 1354078946 809854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay < 1354078949 650507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to help < 1354078966 475959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if i can play that game with this fancy new client < 1354078972 509348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1354078973 498090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the finance company we had all the machines set to America/New_York even the ones in singapore and shit < 1354078973 836242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough lag :( < 1354078977 127852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America USA #1 < 1354078993 878371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw isn't setting TZ globally for a user going to cause some horrible breakage < 1354079001 132229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if sudo inherits it or something and i run apt and it writes out a timestamp < 1354079023 659789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1354079025 375057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1354079063 269536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont life kmc < 1354079066 817978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :live < 1354079083 747646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolobt < 1354079090 689186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lens types are "pretty cool huh" < 1354079094 674939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354080364 836361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_ < 1354080377 846084 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1354082351 405640 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354082630 295090 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354083109 715893 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354085129 497103 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354086456 471711 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it; TZ only determines the ASCII serialization of timestamps. < 1354086499 307161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *highly* doubt apt deals in timestamps other than seconds since Jan 1, 1970 00:00 UTC. < 1354086541 314523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In effect, TZ is just another locale setting. < 1354086641 968274 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354087708 819569 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79085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1354092346 695895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well remember < 1354093924 633130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/11/15/geiBYluyr0mSKQWKE295YA2.jpg < 1354095684 283972 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354097888 342041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354098426 347058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354098513 104592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354100536 47880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354101710 723519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354101720 966538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354103299 348748 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354111433 494124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354111733 397244 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354111764 314214 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354111802 598191 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354111802 705321 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354111802 705413 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354112143 270019 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354113439 410068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354113453 335573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354113847 790115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354113866 830000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354113884 82031 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354113951 267463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354114103 389448 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354115647 24679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict that absolutely nobody here knows about irssi theming. < 1354115673 705640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know everything I want to know about irssi theming. < 1354115676 568711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's enough, right? < 1354115705 840635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1354115721 283999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know idris is racist :'( < 1354115745 940892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48 I have just used Haskell Char for the interpreter, and C char for the compiler, because other people know more about this than I do < 1354115748 886691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48 I am clueless how to deal with unicode at all < 1354115751 392318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should help clear things up. < 1354115758 738616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1354115760 336997 :TheBlackPro!~canaima@200.44.232.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354115766 465665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Unicode but I don't like writing Unicodecode. < 1354115768 897111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uni{code^2}. < 1354115803 199419 :TheBlackPro!~canaima@200.44.232.184 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354116019 156208 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354116173 217203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They were the pointed Saxon minuscules of the eighth or ninth century A.D., and brought with them memories of an uncouth time when under a fresh Christian veneer ancient faiths and ancient rites stirred stealthily, and the pale moon of Britain looked sometimes on strange deeds in the Roman ruins of Caerleon and Hexham, and by the towers along Hadrian's crumbling wall." < 1354116186 41453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emphasis mine.) < 1354116210 816668 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1354116220 556057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm probably not helping the there's-esoteric-and-then-there's-esoteric confusion factor by that. < 1354116230 523951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354116245 964906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354116263 853291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+18F739 'POINTED SAXON MINISCULE A' < 1354116281 999067 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354116353 873132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Unicode codepoints aren't even allowed to be that big. :-( < 1354116382 268749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but UCS codepoints are! < 1354116396 660430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354116449 590168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not anymore < 1354116474 993404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65536*17 < 1354116476 308034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1114112 < 1354116497 400642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought ISO 10646 spec'd a 32-bit codepoint space < 1354116504 255407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a corresponding variant of UTF-8 < 1354116528 841705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't hear about that. < 1354116578 851813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet *you* know about irssi theming. < 1354116598 657188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: UCS is restricted to Unicode size now I think? < 1354116600 842400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with UTF. < 1354116741 549915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so < 1354116763 82608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So about that irssi theming?? < 1354116773 897589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_1st_international_longest_tweet < 1354116792 132468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alternatively irssi logging. Is there a way to log ANSI colour codes without having it, like, actually log the ANSI colour codes in my theme? < 1354116941 316004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dabbled a very small bit with the theming. < 1354116975 919541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know how I would, say, change the formatting of the timestamps when it replays the awaylog? < 1354117003 848891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My normal timestamps are greyed out and have a space between them and the but in the awaylog they're normally-coloured and bashed right up against the nick, it is not very nice. < 1354117009 903326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And irssi themes seem to be completely undocumented. < 1354117051 433626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be rather crummy, really. Most of it is in the format strings that you can see with /format but there's also the templates ("abstract"s) used in those that are only in the theme files. < 1354117097 874248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about ad-hoc. < 1354117155 949694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a guess I think changing the "timestamp" abstract style should affect all timestamps as long as all /formats actually use it. < 1354117178 938207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's all undocumented, that's also true. < 1354117214 298913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well what I have formats = { "fe-common/core" = { timestamp = "%K{timestamp $Z} %n"; }; };is: < 1354117217 192660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1354117218 588200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rearrange that sentence. < 1354117227 92687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work for everything but the awaylog. < 1354117253 33666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's also /set log_timestamp. < 1354117264 937657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a setting, not a format. < 1354117269 548439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course.) < 1354117297 292843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeees, but if I set that won't it affect my Actual Logs too? This is just the awaylog thing that irssi keeps for when I'm away and replays automatically. < 1354117313 495534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think putting formatting codes in that would make me feel really silly. And then make me ask that logging question again. < 1354117335 258254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will, but if they both use the same thing and the replay is just a cat-file-on-screen... < 1354117379 106149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that actually a thing? < 1354117381 200399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope it isn't. < 1354117393 625789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the awaylog, I don't really know. < 1354117396 414979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, people who keep the default "ANSI colours in logs" setting off don't get a completely unthemed awaylog, surely. < 1354117447 929897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's awaylog_colors, awaylog_file and awaylog_level. < 1354117468 548329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could well be using the logging framewurk even if it's slightly different. < 1354117480 290267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to the shops now. -> < 1354117565 175574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354117571 346574 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354117613 390948 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354117638 554380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ping < 1354117648 374822 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354117679 529280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping2 < 1354117693 979335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolliott < 1354117697 73907 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354117701 661268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ais523 < 1354117732 307111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: can you ping me < 1354117743 230097 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354117777 858746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1354117793 42134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354117802 635878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1354117811 836966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it elliott < 1354117821 362214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks like colour formatting doesn't work in log_timestamp. < 1354117926 459159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354118189 592056 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354118215 904615 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354118848 844031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354118858 369840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354118873 740786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pong < 1354118877 555113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2 late < 1354118881 568557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even 3 late < 1354118919 669539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I have connection problems atm < 1354118925 473048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're making it hard to see if I'm pinged < 1354118930 999597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything is red anyway < 1354118939 6616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have something to talk about, or were you pinging for fun? < 1354118968 239963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pinging you for testing purposes < 1354118970 664606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were 4late < 1354119040 268393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1354119049 622120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now quickly come up with something to say! < 1354119217 72037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, err < 1354119219 201642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's that Feather < 1354119485 573974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not good enough for you? < 1354119497 215184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help < 1354119500 903142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :express an opinion :'( < 1354119533 366955 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354119993 335211 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354120054 303102 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354120214 9045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: best spam page history we've had for over a year: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:CarlenaoWolf&diff=34869&oldid=34868 < 1354120219 319377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete it, but people might want to look at it first < 1354120242 171733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good < 1354120249 858768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should keep it and just remove the link or something < 1354120254 666026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and block them anyway, of course < 1354120277 986366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I blocked < 1354120290 431861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can delink and userfy if you like < 1354120299 185131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's already userfied, right? < 1354120306 450646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1354120308 794200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you feel like writing a microbenchmark? < 1354120309 236877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even have to userfy, then < 1354120315 501808 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354120317 555327 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave my presentation on mushspace-related stuff at school: in summary CFUNGE LOSES EVEN MORE < 1354120354 336740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That sounds like fun. < 1354120357 797560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I redirected the link at example.com < 1354120360 758097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was fizzie there??? < 1354120368 218748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In more serious summary I can get rid of hash tables, which I'm happy about, and nothing is still near to being finished < 1354120370 838641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1354120371 480966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how much is IANA paying you < 1354120385 857329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I forget, do you have cfunge's cheaty static area still? < 1354120390 337260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did < 1354120394 107106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1354120394 584331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well < 1354120395 693153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well CCBI did right < 1354120404 520587 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354120411 535857 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do because constants are faster than variables and the difference is measurable < 1354120415 796965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1354120426 637561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to everything else I do, it's just preallocated < 1354120432 238974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm okay < 1354120439 980975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fairly-positioned and sized though < 1354120440 499723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1354120445 518109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not randomly including some negatives just because fungot does < 1354120446 641586 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. they overlap, but aren't really fatal... it's as obscene as " weird thing happened, i'm going to dia and i should say < 1354120475 877102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it starts at -16,-16,-4 or something and extends 128,512,16 or something < 1354120486 931156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :( < 1354120494 331978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about -128,-512,-16 to 128,512,16? < 1354120506 215926 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to be too huge :-P < 1354120510 99960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. < 1354120519 851271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write a funge benchmark that specifically goes just outside your bounds. < 1354120520 186234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to fit most source code in it, plus a bit of padding < 1354120523 4301 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead < 1354120528 734248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll beat cfunge handily < 1354120529 93 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to tweak your constants for me!! < 1354120534 638987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't, because I won't care < 1354120537 434939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you take random stack-based languages and replace their stacks with queues would it affect much their computational class < 1354120541 928962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Deewiant < 1354120543 612337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck < 1354120546 74691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is what slowdown.b98 is for you know ;-P < 1354120549 862482 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoiding the static area < 1354120553 531027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1354120561 1667 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it was originally intended as anyway < 1354120563 818726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So how many _posix_madvises do you have < 1354120566 243087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1354120574 881260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See: nothing is still near to being finished) < 1354120580 296948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be < 1354120582 520186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many will you have < 1354120588 394986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1354120607 589533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it's tons. Don't tell me good algorithms and data structures can beat micro-optimised naive algorithms. < 1354120610 28999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get a difference with 95% confidence according to ministat by adding some then I will add some, otherwise I won't < 1354120612 402789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just silly. < 1354120655 398172 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microöptimization still helps :-P < 1354120664 976826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the spambot actually overwrote its own link < 1354120666 311891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some tweaking related to function inlining and got a 20% speedup < 1354120672 496699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as running the page through a translator and back again < 1354120754 540505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's tonnes of high-level stuff to do still so I'm not particularly interested in that currently < 1354121166 745866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Occasionally it could have been stretched through the bee-keeper" < 1354121904 869667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1354121914 540641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott test < 1354121938 4200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2 < 1354121941 375064 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test3 < 1354121944 469101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test4 < 1354121949 870075 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: test5 < 1354121950 879881 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: or you can give for an error that it gets in my way. < 1354121978 264874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kq < 1354121979 528100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2q < 1354121980 618507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3q < 1354121981 343503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4q < 1354121982 408582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5q < 1354121984 870273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1q < 1354121987 353597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0q < 1354121989 901265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1q < 1354121996 18574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354121998 474737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1354122011 588030 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1354122019 255567 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1354122050 613486 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354122071 73357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is annoying. < 1354122075 887968 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354122075 990073 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354122076 62807 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354122099 45057 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Elliott is annoyed. < 1354122099 614369 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope. 1 sec. 6 and 9 on that page < 1354122103 970158 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope! < 1354122114 260541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :( < 1354122122 323737 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: elliott is sad. < 1354122122 594961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'll be not-annoyed if fungot can help me with this awaylog problem. < 1354122122 931158 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you dislike abou tit? how well do you know what < 1354122123 276243 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should really release a updated stable. :) heh. i won't actually finish anything substantial < 1354122123 355011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you find the modified date for a static webpage < 1354122141 930771 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess they won't < 1354122194 276236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's in the Last-Modified HTTP header < 1354122300 741911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay can i ask my broswer for that info? < 1354122334 175913 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Firefox it's ctrl-i (or right-click on page -> view page info, or tools -> page info) < 1354122707 505341 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354123189 105092 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354123678 776068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you disappointed that the interpreter you run on isn't as good as it could be? < 1354123679 952813 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got the " north." clairvoyance rocks. but we have to ditch the fnord system in 80% of its land mass quantities of beefsteak tend to weaken a fighting force? < 1354123767 966116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Will you make fungot run on CCBI3? < 1354123769 126036 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at the moment i'm in hex editor... like trying to save you some work, and sysrq isn't enabled, no way < 1354123769 748354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be exciting. < 1354123772 954018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: P.S. is it called CCBI3 < 1354123776 46432 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No < 1354123792 273 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it'll be called but something different < 1354123810 833744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Will it be... "mush" < 1354123836 932003 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's a bit too ungoogleable for my tastes < 1354123858 51729 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plus I don't want it to be defined by the library it uses :-P) < 1354123878 661190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to think of some suitably unpronounceable Finnish or something < 1354123897 48647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hey, what are you doing in a hex editor? < 1354123897 709758 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so not anymore, no. i'd need to transfer large files easily provide a different implementation < 1354123906 764440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a good brown/lightbrown (i.e. yellow) colour set for terminals? I'd like to disable actual bolding on my terminal so I can just have light colours. < 1354123909 276610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they blend too closely. < 1354123919 511291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to make my brown less golden; would rather make the yellow more yellowy.) < 1354123962 395293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make it be (1.2, 1.2, 0.0) in the regular [0, 1] RGB scale. < 1354124000 350184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://twitter.com/Horse_ebooks/status/135235748512280576 < 1354124075 21529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur welcome. < 1354124092 342900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur-welcome, the original welcome that begat all others. < 1354124198 705791 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354124833 397551 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354125086 582386 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354125534 304539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1354125771 590911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er-welcome, a somewhat unsure specimen. < 1354125790 51054 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har. < 1354126103 803608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: awaylog? No? C'mon, someone's gotta know. < 1354127425 918556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354127782 907608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll try to think of some suitably unpronounceable Finnish or something < 1354127787 191548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's finnish for mushroom < 1354127858 478039 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sieni < 1354127981 317183 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had "sienest" in mind for some time, based on "sienestää" (to gather mushrooms), but I'm not sure if I like it or not < 1354128053 875601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it < 1354128054 383317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1354128083 71760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "katsosieni". You see, it's like "cfunge"... < 1354128090 79698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Translate saves the day yet again) < 1354128108 237965 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354128132 12514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It should be "näesieni" unless you want it to mean "look, a mushroom" < 1354128166 802671 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which of the existing funge interpreter names do you like, anyway? < 1354128202 519491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Um... Shiro. < 1354128212 694971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was that C++ one I liked the name of? But I forget its name. < 1354128224 238481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stinkhorn? < 1354128229 245712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1354128234 291042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have remembered it as having a better name than it does. < 1354128250 592517 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does Shiro get its name from anyway < 1354128257 870945 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have asked this before) < 1354128267 938411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shiro, a special kind of mycelia < 1354128269 56629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1354128286 9098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to name a Funge thing: Go on Wikipedia -> Look at something about fungi -> Pick a word that looks nice < 1354128293 936107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mycelium (plural mycelia) is the vegetative part of a fungus, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi." < 1354128410 29784 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call it "rice rotten neck" < 1354128434 182330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1354128463 564681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer names that don't really mean much (but have some sort of relation to the thing) but sound nice. < 1354128477 805710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or uber-generic names when I can't be bothered to care. < 1354128505 881606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to prefer names that have a sensible relation to the thing < 1354128521 306257 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some abstract sense, at least < 1354128525 901681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1354128540 951870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean I wouldn't name an interpreter something with "funge" in it unless I was doing it under the Too Lazy To Care clause. < 1354128541 612245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if e.g. Funge programs are fungi then interpreters would have to be things that do something with fungi < 1354128550 865051 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or verbs or something < 1354128563 828657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom reproduction is crazy < 1354128584 2089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruiting body of the mushroom produces spores, which grow into haploid mycelia < 1354128611 94795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two mycelia of compatible types meet, they kinda fuse together < 1354128618 135584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produce cells with two nuclei each < 1354128630 964271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types are a bit like sexes then, but i think there can be more than two < 1354128657 185809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in this sense they can self-fertilize like some plants < 1354128696 325626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently trying to grow oyster mushrooms at home < 1354128754 490783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi are crazy in general < 1354128780 418351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their biology is pretty far out from either plant or animal stuff < 1354128805 634160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354128898 464629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lichen are weird < 1354128918 406152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a symbiosis of a fungus and an alga < 1354129005 159451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Näkösieni. < 1354129087 66727 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354129088 272285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's finnish for lichen < 1354129089 666420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's not "visionfunge" < 1354129097 555199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: jäkälä < 1354129102 333461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1354129106 681592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1354129124 573094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, but it sounds better than "näesieni". < 1354129143 412201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does, sure < 1354129194 812157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354129207 284652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354129216 868789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like "jakala". < 1354129230 177187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it pronounced if you don't mangle the "s? < 1354129230 691186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "andfish". < 1354129269 492722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA: [ˈjækælæ], X-SAMPA: ["j{k{l{] < 1354129293 80869 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkl is normal.. IPA looks weird < 1354129294 329043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I could read either of those. < 1354129350 326156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just type it to translate.google and ask it to read it for you? < 1354129351 115017 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The äs are like in stressed "an": https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:en-us-an.ogg < 1354129376 242589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, yes, we live in the future so you could abuse that fact < 1354129391 171603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the "Listen" button is for some reason not working for me. :/ < 1354129403 66827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked for me and it sounded about right too < 1354129443 778983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium must not be multimedia enough for it. < 1354129471 528646 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in Chromium for me as well < 1354129487 948873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, flashblock. < 1354129498 862498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitelisted translate.google.com, now it works. < 1354129513 30374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sounds good enough. < 1354129558 605816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the only thing wrong with it is that it has strangely long pauses between syllables. < 1354129560 499448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, throwin' my vote in for some variant of "jakala". < 1354129564 479443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called the static analysis tool that did the fungot flowgraph for me "mycena", don't quite remember why. It had something to do with the fact that lots of those are bioluminescent. < 1354129565 221183 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that: an environment is a module, change that module, and i had the first real personal shoes? < 1354129577 389928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a vote, right?) < 1354129589 568996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant runs on democracy. < 1354129607 156692 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it's a dictatorship. I don't like "jakala" and I'm not going to have a non-ASCII binary name. :-P < 1354129621 273648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALAA&LI.HAA < 1354129636 121437 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ASCII and thus completely acceptable. < 1354129643 161017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think that I do not like you. < 1354129651 25873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the 8.3-compatible nfofile for some Finnish BBS.) < 1354129651 181842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1354129694 754950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keijurengas" is too long, methinks. Why is Finnish being so difficult? < 1354129758 136199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Vaatimustenmukaiset Concurrent Befunge-98 Tulkki < 1354129763 84210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be some amount of fishing-themed terminology in use for BBS file-shering. MikroBitti called their file area "apaja", meaning (approximately) a place for fishing etc., and the files themselves were fish. < 1354129800 291654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you lowercase the Concurrent, it's "Vaatimustenmukaiset samanaikaisesti Befunge-98 Tulkki". < 1354129830 793334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I decided to leave it broken as-is. < 1354129843 320702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it abbreviated VCBT then? < 1354129852 174347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1354129870 312692 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yhdenmukaisuus Suostumus Befunge -98 Tulkki < 1354129885 911060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Courtesy of good old intertran @ http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml ) < 1354129904 749586 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still translates the word "I" to "I-KIRJAIN" i.e. "THE LETTER I". :-) < 1354129941 297316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nyt kuluva asia ulkomuoto hyvin l;sitellä erityinen mieltymys kuin Google Kääntää. < 1354129950 653105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know the semicolon was a Finnish letter.) < 1354130004 518068 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now ongoing issue appearance well l;sitellä specific preference than Google Translates." < 1354130035 960563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Soveliaasti käyttäytyvä yhdessä vaikuttava Befunge-98 esittäjä". (Courtesy of a word-by-word translation performed by picking the least sensible senses from NetMOT.) < 1354130037 4847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1354130045 668128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was "This looks much less fancy than Google Translate." or such. < 1354130077 481511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I last used it something like 10 years ago; its results were a source of great amusement at the time. < 1354130134 884301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 10 < 1354130143 844487 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kari kavampassa riisimpanasi leppuilta reviltasi aisemme arvatk-onnala poisemmästänne syysikoloissa kursumiassa < 1354130151 816436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --befungeinterpreternames 10 < 1354130155 973653 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: befungeinterpreternames < 1354130217 538029 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1354130293 828859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You might've read fantasy in Finnish at some point; what does fae/faerie get translated to? < 1354130426 277968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read a bit of it in Finnish, but I'm not sure I've read anything that has needed that word. Offhand I'd assume something keiju-derived. < 1354130441 596909 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1354130463 846045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the same as elves. < 1354130563 256059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Midsummer Night's Dream's faeries in the translations go the keiju way, I think. < 1354130631 225233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kaijukeiju.) < 1354130640 495059 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if there was anything clever for the collective fae-word. < 1354130642 614343 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1354130768 728580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keijupiiri" is still too long, but at least it has a computing-related piiri pun. < 1354130904 815871 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "haltiapiiri", with the binary of course being called "halt". < 1354130907 808435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does it have to be 8.3 too? < 1354130922 836677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated, but I'd like to see the term "keijuvirtapiiri" be used somewhere. < 1354130925 244078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably but it's not a requirement. < 1354130977 803365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of translations, what are hattivatit in English? < 1354130994 355156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Hattifatteners" < 1354131044 121367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's quite close to the Swedish. < 1354131074 244649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, blue is hard. < 1354131137 165930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those not up to speed in Moomin lore, Hattifatteners are the guys in the lower-right corner of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Moomin_kuva.JPG < 1354131170 50950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have their own article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattifattener < 1354131186 426326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Who *wouldn't* be up to speed in Moomin lore? < 1354131197 98089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but the picture there just looks stupid. < 1354131203 931384 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say so. < 1354131234 322191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish version of the article is much better. < 1354131240 498411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Näkymättömässä lapsessa Muumipapan näkemissä veneissä on aina pariton määrä hattivatteja[1], mutta toisaalta Muumipeikossa ja pyrstötähdessä tekijän kuvituksessa on kahden, neljän ja kuudenkin hattivatin veneitä[2]." < 1354131245 200736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all so meaningful. < 1354131248 317435 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1354131259 654063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some kind of deep symbolism involved. < 1354131283 984236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Finns and your weird language. < 1354131386 746809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "In The Invisible Child the boats Moominpappa sees always carry an odd number of Hattifatteners[1], but on the other hand in Comet in Moominland the author's illustrations have boats of two, four and even six Hattifatteners." < 1354131391 255904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] < 1354131460 686079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Finns and your weird language. < 1354131474 232278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in your weird language. Well, mostly. < 1354131508 974391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Hemulens: Creatures that believe in order and like to boss other people around, but find it difficult to listen to anyone and lack a sense of humor. Many hemulens like collecting stuff, and have little time to think about much else." < 1354131513 525216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best translated name. < 1354131556 738249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hemuli" is one of the common pet names derived from my first name, so I have a particular affinity to them.) < 1354131572 835671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't listen to anyone and lack a sense of humor.) < 1354131705 468680 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 50 < 1354131709 953649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luotokiosteiskyt psyyttäviika newtonin levaltaviemmän syrjistämiä nelmäksensä tuttavampi manannesi ahdastamme soveiltani naurastavia monikseen taviansa kottelupana purjakaan arviltamia agani kunnioimina kuvotamaltansa dernisimmilla tähystitetynyt kärkkineni musmalle kuolisevästitu nauhanamme < 1354131739 254035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nauhanamme: "as our ribbon". < 1354131851 75951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could take a leaf from Mark Jones's book and call it "hali". < 1354131917 632774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Jones? < 1354131950 666656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "a hug". < 1354131956 45588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He made Hugs. < 1354131992 272148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1354132002 611785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I suppose you need an acronym expansion for it, though. < 1354132010 842023 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354132017 990735 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1354132022 657338 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ends in "i" so that's a start. < 1354132024 604933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am about 3.17x more likely to use software named after hugs than any other kind of software. < 1354132038 962514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hfunge Ainterpreter Lalsoit'sconformant Iandconcurrent < 1354132049 630853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henjoy Abeinglocked Linyour Imatrixofsolidity < 1354132062 962124 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hali hali my boyfriend's back < 1354132097 573682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hello All Little Inuits < 1354132112 960295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call the companion piece of software "pusi" then. < 1354132123 914453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happily Angry Like Idiots < 1354132128 477969 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354132145 355649 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Calling anything "pusi" is bound to be a hit among English speakers. < 1354132163 925000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It naturally goes with "hali", though. < 1354132173 760776 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it's a bad idea. < 1354132242 41106 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354132323 929574 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy All-Languages* Interpreter (* only supports Funge-98) < 1354132345 579755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humble would be better with that < 1354132349 95994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1354132361 670510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Humbly, A Language Interpreter < 1354132378 440121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using A as part of an acronym is somewhat lame < 1354132387 487438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's A Language Interpreter < 1354132416 784387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have A Language Interpreter < 1354132431 41158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help A Language Interpret < 1354132451 123114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible Abomination of a Language Interpreter < 1354132459 468910 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1354132613 276638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0~ < 1354132681 302326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horticulturally Associated Language Interpreter < 1354132691 379871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Happily Arcane Language Interpreter < 1354132725 605031 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. < 1354132779 823826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354132796 70061 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use pusi for the JIT then (when/if). < 1354132804 18373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible, Abysmal Lout of an Interpreter < 1354132817 143083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also s/Happily/Handy/ < 1354132827 291723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pusi is a compiler for large-scale kitten dynamics, right? < 1354132839 956405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. I hope not. < 1354132845 642224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: norwegian pun) < 1354132890 775664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's only a letter away from working in english too < 1354133045 727801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that that's how I would pronounce "pusi" on seeing it, I don't think it needs a letter change < 1354133050 829837 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To work in English < 1354133071 574912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't pronounce it that way. < 1354133077 839353 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like poo-see to me. < 1354133120 19797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is such a poseur < 1354133482 391716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorously Academic Language Interpreter < 1354133622 306027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, Deewiant. I'm afraid we can't have that. < 1354133674 333550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ais523.*obscure.*reference < 1354133697 266143 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic Interpreter, except that that HAL's a shitty acronym < 1354133705 707000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-01.txt:21:31:28: (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing) < 1354133752 620157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And "programmed" is cheating < 1354133761 451946 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's one reason is shitty < 1354133763 636135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's* < 1354134203 415407 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354134234 960137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1354134235 274523 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1354134236 715479 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   ¦   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1354134236 791209 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<   >\  |\     |     /|  ´¸¨  >\     |     /|  /|  /'\ < 1354134236 791406 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /'¯|_)                /\ < 1354134236 791514 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_|                   (_| |_) < 1354134264 879434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354134385 718977 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354134519 119308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354135133 862993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... is there an easy way to reclaim an old nick on freenode? I'd kinda like to register this < 1354135198 288724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just ask a staff member. it must have been unused for 60 days, or was it weeks. < 1354135215 20905 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, who's someone I could poke < 1354135220 171632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got his nick that way < 1354135225 321130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "10 weeks plus (at staffer discretion) one additional week per full year of registration, up to a maximum of five additional weeks." < 1354135231 11822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can poke any op on #freenode. < 1354135240 312882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they've changed it then. < 1354135242 213532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I poked the one with the lowest idle time for my cloak. < 1354135261 72475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Last seen : Mar 24 08:12:31 2012 < 1354135266 827804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "lowest idle time for my cloak"? < 1354135275 313000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 15*7 < 1354135276 731923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 105 < 1354135287 413771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough i think < 1354135294 430469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I poked the person who at the moment had the lowest idle time, for the purpose of getting my 'unaffiliated' cloak set on. < 1354135303 313854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I figure out who has the lowest idle time? < 1354135314 758925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's the hard part! < 1354135326 450051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can whois them randomly until you find a low enough number. < 1354135333 352290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff okay < 1354135348 433725 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a + okay? or do I need a @ in freenode < 1354135368 515482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically you I think should do "/quote STATS p" these days. < 1354135369 958519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any @s < 1354135378 213745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354135379 917289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1354135385 635965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: not a channel op, a network op or what they call it < 1354135399 885023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will list staff members. < 1354135415 143198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oper', isn't it < 1354135426 880707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1354135436 301880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I used whois, but it doesn't say idle time < 1354135445 60067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Fuchs seems to be the one < 1354135463 338822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sorry, voiced on #freenode as opposed to opped. < 1354135480 444886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All staff currently connected to the network will be voiced in #freenode. Keep in mind that all network staff are volunteers and you may sometimes have to wait for a staffer to become active. You can also issue the command /stats p from within your IRC client." < 1354135486 329884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The quote was to make it more compatible.) < 1354135496 958432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get idle times you have to use the /whois Fuchs Fuchs syntax, which asks their local server < 1354135497 364155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies let me try that < 1354135503 426748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This latter list seems to be "on-call" people, so they should I guess be awake. < 1354135506 408430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuchs is on that list. < 1354135513 600995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a good first attempt. < 1354135546 102785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Fuchs is there < 1354135547 595473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he had the lowest idle time a minute ago < 1354135573 329801 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1354135600 707441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Incidentally, it seems that the nick in question also matches the other rule: "Nicks which are at least two weeks old and which were last used less than two hours after their creation are also considered to be expired." < 1354135615 911184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :User reg. : Mar 24 07:21:51 2012 (35 weeks, 4 days, 13:23:35 ago) < 1354135619 448351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have my esper nick here too < 1354135623 590987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last seen : Mar 24 08:12:31 2012 (35 weeks, 4 days, 12:32:55 ago) < 1354135692 362714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah. < 1354135737 127833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My alternative grouped nicks (fizzie_, fizzie`) are all technically speaking expired, but maybe that's not a problem. < 1354135779 878185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think they had something about not expiring a users only alternative nick < 1354135785 404970 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354135806 467927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it ought to be as easy as you /nick'ing to them to reset it... < 1354135822 140398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+' < 1354135835 817507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that'd be uggly. < 1354135857 882484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the nick you want is someone's NickServ account name, it is considered expired only when the account itself is expired." But then the FAQ doesn't mention when accounts expire. < 1354135884 427038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um it's what several of us did when the last warning about a major cleanup went out < 1354135916 559784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... plebeian. < 1354135930 631838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have my chauffeur log in as the alternative nicks or something. < 1354135936 270940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I missed my tenth freenode registered-nick anniversary, just nine weeks ago. Forgot to celebrate. :/ :\ < 1354135942 242529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume that only applies to plain fizzie itself. i meant that i thought there was a rule about not expiring the second last. < 1354135994 211761 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1354136003 587754 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do this thing now. < 1354136008 69149 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie` < 1354136022 808032 :fizzie`!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted to have some witnesses, too. < 1354136023 992918 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My step-mother is an idiot. < 1354136026 684890 :fizzie`!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Client Quit < 1354136081 290560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_ < 1354136083 537492 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1354136107 415400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The stench of a _ is now lingering around your otherwise pristine "oerjan". < 1354136156 482231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sometimes happens when i get thrown out of my linux login without being disconnected from irc, anyway. < 1354136183 175365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the ` because of the bouncer. But it's been a while since the last time. < 1354136270 957658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually join the Assembly demo party's IRC channel during the event, but don't add it to the autojoin list, so I stay on the channel until I drop out for natural reasons. The event was in August, but I'm still on the channel, and it's really annoying, because it's a stupid place. < 1354136385 476208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't just leave, since I never leave until I drop because of natural causes. < 1354136391 682555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have to keep reading all the stupidity. < 1354136421 557209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think fizzie wants us to help crash his bouncer, or something < 1354136681 28744 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354136685 795603 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354136727 660282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Install a system update and reboot < 1354136773 728188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be a good idea, at some point. < 1354136794 179128 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have infinity=-infinity and -infinity*i = infinity*i, do you get a number donut? < 1354137232 518567 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's sort of like... a hyperbolic doughnut? since one side of the doughnut is 0 and the other is infinity, and the distance between the two has to be infinitely diverging...? < 1354137259 904083 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354137308 965656 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354137353 259897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: well those are both true in the gauss sphere, at least... < 1354137367 619464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1354137387 353942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*riemann sphere < 1354137404 858406 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it a sphere and not a donut? < 1354137432 604633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only add one infinity, which is all the numbers you mentioned < 1354137442 267032 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1354137468 295517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere ohhh. is there a reason to distinguish i*inf from inf? < 1354137478 197599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what's the reason Riemann put them together? < 1354137521 775177 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354137574 465041 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354137631 385225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well having just one infinity is basically what you need to do if you want to make f(z) = 1/z a well-behaved function over all of it, without adding extra zeroes as well... < 1354137662 405329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the "extra zeroes" be the alternate infinities? < 1354137696 407462 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd want 1/(i*inf) to be a different 0 from 1/(inf) I think < 1354137701 747365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would probably be infinitesimals, not infinities. < 1354137716 48806 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. since complex numbers can be represented as magnitude * angle, wouldn't Sgeo__'s thing allow an infinite number of infinities? < 1354137722 199537 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could pick magnitude=inf, angle=anything < 1354137744 619932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354137746 910983 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make inf =/= -inf I think < 1354137761 868117 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be wrong < 1354137764 333592 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why 1/x as x -> someinf would be different zeroes < 1354137768 27763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that would also split zeroes, which don't have a well-defined angle (and angles repeat every 2pi anyway) < 1354137774 967602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354137775 159804 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354137775 398470 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354137776 187896 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354137777 905654 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1354137779 916039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354137783 286884 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFul < 1354137784 253840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true < 1354137784 724218 :FreeFul!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1354137785 765825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1354137791 661908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i*inf + inf < 1354137793 796136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i*inf - inf < 1354137798 411152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i*inf + inf < 1354137801 570485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i*inf - inf < 1354137806 715635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sgeo's thing those would all be different right? < 1354137817 515718 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354137819 846843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes < 1354137835 51974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why the zeroes would be different < 1354137837 566269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the riemann sphere doesn't really allow you to add infinities usefully, though. it has limitations but is still useful for many things. < 1354137864 293494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was going with the doughnut thing < 1354137878 903297 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138020 847031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354138027 158192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: your idea looks like you want to add a circle of infinities, one for each angle, and then identify some of them. which should give you a donut/torus if you do it correctly. < 1354138055 953908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no guarantees on it having any use for complex analysis, though. < 1354138079 100419 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, since when is usefulness an important thing? < 1354138119 334980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to identify all of the four infinity*(+-sqrt(2)/2 +- i*sqrt(2)/2) points, i think. < 1354138144 766081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise identify the left and right arc, and the upper and lower arch. < 1354138197 352721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mirroring across the y and x axes, respectively. < 1354138244 317403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reflecting through 0 would give you the real projective plane instead, ignoring the sqrt(2)/2 parts.) < 1354138339 27095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.okcupid.com/profile/HorseEbooks < 1354138389 804839 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354138390 237867 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354138390 915417 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354138392 619532 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgpcgopgkmbdweae QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354138393 473340 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354138396 601085 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138423 741994 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354138423 814202 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138452 124692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: what i'm saying is that apart from infinity, -infinity, infinity*i and -infinity*i, the identified points would _not_ just be the negations. < 1354138466 303143 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138512 488006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh < 1354138513 867403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a donut. < 1354138516 48607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has sgeo been doing maths < 1354138530 670757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354138556 144177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is he doing C/(x~-x) in an attempt to make a torus < 1354138621 873877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well he didn't directly imply that, so i clarified that what he said could be extended to give a torus but not by identifying x and -x < 1354138641 30785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i did that wrong anyway < 1354138660 714810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah he was only identifying infinities. < 1354138680 218966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's what i deserve for trying to sound clever < 1354138721 381075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens to me too < 1354138815 456945 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138839 137195 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138841 47019 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik JOIN :#esoteric < 1354138857 584006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i tell you about that time i confused orientation, immersion and embedding in my analysis class < 1354138920 846970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like just the thing to get your argument twisted into knots < 1354138945 45929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1354138950 320231 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of my friends have been asked "ham" on Tumblr < 1354138978 421428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a major ham event, i take < 1354138990 157744 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows (or nobody is forthcoming about) the identity of the perpetrator or perpetrators < 1354139010 497126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're putting a < 1354139011 734090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354139013 452740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex < 1354139014 354898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on you < 1354139026 717546 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1354139037 253721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354139037 921591 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only hammed person who lives in Hexham, to my knowledge < 1354139053 212459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally no:ham = en:him. < 1354139068 714815 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no ham en him < 1354139240 308972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, another Hexagon (isn't that the collective term for you?), I'll re-quote that one thing. Sorry if you logread. < 1354139243 760711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They were the pointed Saxon minuscules of the eighth or ninth century A.D., and brought with them memories of an uncouth time when under a fresh Christian veneer ancient faiths and ancient rites stirred stealthily, and the pale moon of Britain looked sometimes on strange deeds in the Roman ruins of Caerleon and Hexham, and by the towers along Hadrian's crumbling wall." < 1354139263 458345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many strange deeds in Hexham? < 1354139324 431031 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all the time < 1354139366 794910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your moon paler than other countries' moons? < 1354139376 667019 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tad < 1354139417 138121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon struck me as particularly bright tonight, actually < 1354139430 200392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hexagon is the name of trondheim's gamer club, btw. if they still exist. < 1354139458 423237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodness, what are the odds of two people individually making up a word that weird < 1354139465 627304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the biggest naming coincidence since dennis the menace < 1354139492 9090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm you do know it's the greek term for a six-edged polygon, right? < 1354139500 868374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354139502 668052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is an idiot < 1354139503 360010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1354139546 360863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a common shape of board game whatthehecktheyarecalled < 1354139586 970037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why isn't mezzacotta loading < 1354139639 259938 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads for me? < 1354139654 86450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1354139763 660874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Board game game boards. < 1354139790 838945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, smaller than that. < 1354139827 150588 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square? < 1354139834 268223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards? < 1354139837 498207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice? < 1354139843 22303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxes? < 1354139845 844916 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell Monopoly < 1354139855 56181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that doesn't quite apply when they're hexagonal, does it? < 1354139861 140405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese Checkers but a Hexagon Instead of a Hexagram < 1354139865 440973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say things like that, you know how atriq feels about monopoly < 1354140010 684844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_game#Common_terms seems to imply it is space/square or cell/hex, with no term being completely shape-independent < 1354140033 818664 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "square" is shape-independent < 1354140044 978188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess space is closest < 1354140051 112493 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a linguistic pragmatist < 1354140058 390353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says atriq needs a swat -----### < 1354140071 602904 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow! < 1354140089 694471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really weird shape for a flyswatter < 1354140092 456352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know < 1354140094 539265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thery're the board's hexes when they're hexagonal. < 1354140195 582572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has occasionally gained extra parts < 1354140216 180079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's one of those modular flyswatters? < 1354140239 697631 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in the future. < 1354140243 394316 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's modular < 1354140247 76767 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modules are modular < 1354140258 460037 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354140357 371569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomgmodules < 1354140381 801522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches atriq's corpus callosum with Phantom_Hoover's < 1354140424 871714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1354140474 87286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if they are properly exchangeable modules, of course! < 1354140476 245019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's zomgmodules < 1354140487 910710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where zomgmodules < 1354140487 984155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about zomgmodules. < 1354140502 656793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor ate him < 1354140509 299142 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels somewhat strange < 1354140576 738047 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel... < 1354140585 412528 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately more confident in my gender identity < 1354140605 452585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because Gregor ate zomgmodules? < 1354140626 33463 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too < 1354140653 523702 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely, because I know have Phantom_Hoover's corpus callosum < 1354140691 196207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm moderately more confident in my gender identity < 1354140709 133458 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you're probably slightly less < 1354140716 819214 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have my corpus callosum < 1354140717 864334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all you know i could be queer as a bag of lamps < 1354140740 126994 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're forgetting one vital thing < 1354140748 653359 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have your corpus callosum < 1354140752 154837 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1354140776 884349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a confident queer! < 1354140809 531568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :queer as a bag of lampreys < 1354140830 151666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lampreys are notoriously rigid in their gender roles < 1354140832 640723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boca_de_lamprea.1_-_Aquarium_Finisterrae.JPG click for nightmare < 1354140849 643790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind that westboro baptist church members run screaming away from < 1354140867 968832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/nexHu.jpg < 1354140890 916112 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, #esoteric . < 1354140893 372301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to click on neither link < 1354140893 719215 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ you. < 1354140942 609044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confidently? < 1354140970 415392 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, first link is creepy, second link is someone counterprotesting the WBC < 1354140996 776132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost feel bad linking the second because, don't feed the trolls < 1354141020 560637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big sign saying "fuck this guy" must have broad applicability, though. < 1354141024 137502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354141028 216878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a handy thing to keep around < 1354141078 850795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354141162 270073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost possible to believe that WBC is a brilliant false flag propaganda operation < 1354141185 394271 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you look at their legal history? < 1354141185 467116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are such an over the top repugnant caricature of anti-gay attitudes < 1354141208 462800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they go on about how god hates america and protesting soldiers' funerals and such < 1354141242 508420 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354141252 386628 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, half of the US population seems to be a brilliant false-flag propaganda operation < 1354141261 289597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fred phelps has a weird history < 1354141276 934418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to be a civil rights lawyer < 1354141283 634841 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the Chasers sketch? < 1354141295 754609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354141318 316898 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iXbWsO4ik < 1354141318 871782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/TMyECzLekvI/AAAAAAAADio/awRtOYwdvEM/s1600/god+hates+figs.jpg I like this one < 1354141332 718861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354141339 318134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the part where jesus yells at a fig tree and it dies < 1354141355 606255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354141358 578426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/TMyEw-pli9I/AAAAAAAADiw/iYNSGP-bJJY/s1600/god+hates+figs+2.jpg < 1354141410 317385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354141424 860030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what is the point of including in the bible a story where jesus is a dick to a tree < 1354141437 106342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it serve some rhetorical purpose < 1354141467 484205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just one of those things stuck in to make the fans speculate wildly and write fanfiction about it < 1354141470 424887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354141478 170894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you mean the book of mormon?" < 1354141479 171595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never gets answered in canon < 1354141480 577321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes XD < 1354141484 444399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man have you seen the new testament, it's full of crazy shit nobody reads < 1354141488 564543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd we get here from lampreys < 1354141491 654066 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old testament* < 1354141498 647705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like the books, but christianity has a /completely/ batshit fandom" < 1354141514 349586 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monday i found out there was a whole book i'd never heard of, that just says "god hates you you fucking shitheads" repeatedly for three pages and that's it < 1354141517 503822 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they're almost as crazy as supernatural fans! jeez" < 1354141532 285341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's great when christians advocate death penalty for homosexuality but ignore the next paragraph that prescribes death penalty for wearing the wrong fabrics or eating shellfish < 1354141545 458752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the top weirdest bible story is the one with Zipporah and foreskins < 1354141557 746098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're misunderstanding the quote anyways. it says a man who lies with another man should be stoned < 1354141562 355494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«On the way, at a place where they spent the night, the LORD met him and tried to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched his feet with it, and said, "Truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!" So he let him alone. It was then she said, "A bridegroom of blood by circumcision."» < 1354141573 154968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1354141573 871191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's advising them that their sex is better while high, obviously < 1354141575 656683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco: a man who lies with another man should get stoned < 1354141577 466135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssss < 1354141596 179122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wat < 1354141610 674418 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it says "A man who lies with men like he lies with women" < 1354141624 449672 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather specific if you think about it < 1354141626 23412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: exodus 4:24, look it up heathen < 1354141633 53979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god hates only bisexuals < 1354141634 912649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1354141638 179455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :male bisexuals, at that < 1354141653 19624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sense god is in good company < 1354141665 477622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :male bisexuals who prefer specific sex positions, at that < 1354141670 419090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354141738 177529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool < 1354141758 505980 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Male bisexuals who prefer specific sex positions, AND prefer to use the same sex positions with both sexes. < 1354141770 649355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i meant by 'specific' < 1354141785 531922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the bible even say anything about non-heterosexual women? < 1354141792 298184 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically what God's saying is “treat men and women differently only when you fuck them” < 1354141793 478968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's okay to get an anonymous bj at the train station, but you can't bring a guy home to cuddle < 1354141798 472637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... god is a closeted gay man? < 1354141800 551842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Nope. < 1354141808 793002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, no, either because girl on girl is hot or because it was the past and they hadn't realised lesbians exist yet < 1354141820 510920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The former) < 1354141827 727621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading the wp article about roman attitudes to sex, it's quite amusing < 1354141838 937478 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because the parts in question are concerned with ritual cleanliness, and male priests have more opinions on anal than on scissoring < 1354141841 183347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a man, the most humiliating and taboo thing you could do was cunnilingus < 1354141848 152450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354141860 856283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but they still make a fuss about how horrible and sinful you are < 1354141862 484734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't some english queen also say that there was no need to ban female homosexuality because it was logically impossible < 1354141866 990626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that's what i meant by 'specific' // it's specific in two ways: (1) it's a lying position, and (2) it's the same for both sexes < 1354141882 490040 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Victoria, I believe < 1354141885 324315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fair point < 1354141903 526035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my guess too < 1354141912 112444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yeah, but what do you really think she was doing for those long years after albert died < 1354141930 3624 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunting down pirates with her bare hands? < 1354141944 3373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no atriq that is probably one of those stupid things you like < 1354141950 149560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently somehow being asexual is sinful too or something I really don't know how this works < 1354141970 379100 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If asexuality is sinful then I am a sinner < 1354141982 242309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sinner high five? < 1354141983 254167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depression's sinful too. medieval commentators just had not enough to do, I think. < 1354141997 574125 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sinner high five. < 1354141997 973144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: be fruitful and multiply! or whatever it says < 1354142028 773216 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, not aromantic, though, before that gets confusing < 1354142036 712727 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354142050 725155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: neither am I < 1354142053 565945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lie with neither men nor women, I guess you lie with both the same way < 1354142061 779459 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aromantic is ~20% of asexuals iirc) < 1354142089 714611 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half of the vocal asexuals I've met are aromantic < 1354142108 621517 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that, I've only ever met one other vocal asexual < 1354142113 191938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the asexuals are highly aromatic, however. < 1354142135 217868 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the asexual you've met was half aromantic, or < 1354142137 239188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: http://www.asexualawarenessweek.com/census/SiggyAnalysis-AAWCensus.pdf < 1354142147 879646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stats there are really interesting < 1354142152 159079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :N=3430 < 1354142204 565968 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354142236 725480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :question 15 is the best though ;) < 1354142300 409396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :N is not worth much without further information on the population < 1354142316 936270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, there's probably some pretty significant bias, though they also have some stats-breakdown among the three websites < 1354142325 219608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show possible disparities < 1354142404 812004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a massive bias in gender ratio < 1354142452 343484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that agrees with past studies though... < 1354142454 414682 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354142468 866325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "most asexual people are female") < 1354142520 141353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some bias from it being, like, tumblr though ^^; < 1354142522 788420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh, right, it's not a population sample < 1354142794 719112 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :BabsSeed < 1354142833 713598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20121123-00 a nice article about how intellectuals compete to be ignorant of sports and how this isn't actually a good thing < 1354142896 855621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a definite habit of dragging your pet peeves into the channel, you know < 1354142917 968321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of an animal is a peeve < 1354142938 814812 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One you don't want to meet. < 1354142940 495401 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders. < 1354142996 719005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have expected the title of the paper to be "anything but rap and country", kmc < 1354143014 516580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, the statistics seem to be from the US ... I wonder how well they apply to other parts of the world < 1354143062 149091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and now I realized that "football" in the article probably refers to the other kind of football < 1354143063 579378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yep < 1354143077 533359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it happened though someone else sent this link to another channel just now < 1354143132 467622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like kmc's complaining < 1354143138 444926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have some grumpy in your life < 1354143147 780685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i produce enough for multiple people myself < 1354143271 437941 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting that heavy metal is a "less educated" kind of music according to that paper, I find that about half of the geeks here are metalheads < 1354143300 667464 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why i expected rap and country, that's what i'm used to nerds not liking. < 1354143327 364635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how in dwarf fortress the dorfs are always the 'mountain people', yet the game makes it impossible to actually embark on a mountain < 1354143381 420136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should fix mosh so that irssi doesn't underline these non-links imo < 1354143402 302638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by fix I mean break mosh < 1354143404 647960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fix irssi < 1354143412 664221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you usually "embark" on mountains? < 1354143417 582995 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1354143418 471194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kmc does tend to complain about the same thing multiple times over the course of a week or so < 1354143440 684703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not really, you can embark on hills but that's kind of different < 1354143449 737052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual mountains are all off-limits < 1354143453 71055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well to be fair so do you < 1354143453 605033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me < 1354143454 807881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone < 1354143517 839034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik you can only embark on journeys and vehicles < 1354143554 950360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i don't really notice other people repeatedly complaining about the same thing? < 1354143574 661416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's generally 'you know what bugs me? " and then everyone says 'yeah me too' and that's that < 1354143617 848207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah me too < 1354143618 8003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you will complain about kmc complaining again tomorrow and I will have a concrete example < 1354143621 901359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the problem :p < 1354143634 610844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair I don't think this counts purely as repeated complaint, because kmc added new information to the sports-hate-peeve with a link < 1354143652 80913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1354143673 31811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the point at which i felt it worth commenting on < 1354143909 670547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a different angle than my complaint < 1354143940 803597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, the abstract of the paper says "gospel, country, rap, and heavy metal" < 1354143957 345665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my complaint is just that being proud of ignorance is dumb, and hypocritical coming from intellectuals < 1354143971 720637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mako's making a point about classism and stuff < 1354143986 418624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1354143988 330181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the resolution is different too < 1354143991 56836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2 < 1354143995 264798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mako takes this as an affirmative reason to care about sports < 1354143997 800978 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354144024 177563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care whether people care about sports < 1354144032 166626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am helping you test < 1354144032 491749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will have to think about this class argument more < 1354144034 675389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1354144046 927578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it did what I didn't want it to do < 1354144062 185378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrating < 1354144062 680229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, anti-intellectualism seems a sort of similar thing < 1354144098 840647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh i know, i was just making a mostly irrelevant comment on an unimportant aspect like i usually do < 1354144128 559504 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the mathiest guy i know is a basketball fan. maybe he can make up for my apathy to football < 1354144155 595568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can pay kmc to fix this shit < 1354144182 259226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Phantom_Hoover < 1354144183 106275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or olsner < 1354144185 229482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone volunteer < 1354144188 549448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this shit" == lambdabot? < 1354144192 595336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354144195 327094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is just my helper < 1354144236 372969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use non-shit instead of shit, it's much less shittier < 1354144249 12191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also non-shit doesn't need to be fixed by us < 1354144250 275316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes elliott i will fix lambdabot < 1354144258 889042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i don't need to explain why i'm a worthy candidate < 1354144260 515082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently your shit is so shit it doesn't even tell me what shit it is < 1354144301 132805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gonna sue your shit < 1354144491 432645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit < 1354144495 20341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck does this stuff not make sense < 1354144521 793808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it doesn't respond to ctcp version, I have no recollection of configuring that < 1354144535 434893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1354144539 137006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354144540 523005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i fucked it up < 1354144545 537037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2 < 1354144547 692893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what < 1354144558 909219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa < 1354144559 948931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354144568 142916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im help < 1354144574 251733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn it didn't work < 1354144657 643088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1354144658 420386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1354144714 226070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you trying to do? < 1354144736 735578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: get my awaylog formatting not fucked < 1354144769 113233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an awaylog and why do you have one? < 1354144830 655906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have determined that no amount of money will help olsner solve my problem < 1354144864 892353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1354144872 270422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1354144880 899770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: q < 1354144889 705972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1354145155 524737 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354145177 59834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354145200 120697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i would like to express my deep hatred of differential equations < 1354145233 126825 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they ever do to you < 1354145282 388117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354145293 783203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they bored me to tears < 1354145371 616307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you need to describe your tear to boredom ratio over time < 1354145379 807916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet a diffeq would help! < 1354145427 795785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd give it to a damn engineer < 1354145460 856679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they're for after all < 1354145513 392770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were trapped on a desert island with only a bottle of tears and a wwii-era naval cannon aim control system < 1354145517 160968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you model it with then! < 1354145546 917210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can model it with tears < 1354145579 231911 :sebbu4!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354145612 64301 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354145686 92615 :sebbu4!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :sebbu < 1354145694 142227 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354145694 214849 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354145727 684321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but there are no differential equations on the island to bore me to tears < 1354145738 837190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tears were pre-prepared < 1354145740 783783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 ur convenience < 1354146078 710207 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric