< 1354233602 93051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually why would that be necessary... < 1354233610 708931 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PART :#esoteric < 1354233629 844240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1354233667 147767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's not mascarpone on the wiki. < 1354233669 203152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1354233677 973971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/mascarpone/README.markdown.html < 1354233743 848460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott < 1354233746 984840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tomorrow now < 1354233755 302267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New operations can be defined as strings of symbols, and these symbols are given meaning by an interpreter that is "captured" in the definition, similar to the way that lexical variables are captured in closures in functional languages." < 1354233793 843651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, gimme a few minutes < 1354233812 51659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means you can cheat by having it map to a function instead. < 1354233827 64033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i vaguely recall the implementation did that, or was it emmental... < 1354233847 982264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well implementing emmental was surprinsigly easy < 1354233859 438361 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just stored new symbols as a list of symbols < 1354233878 295570 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you're looking for the definition of a symbol, you look for it in the list of definitions < 1354233910 936516 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you've find it, you look for the definition of each symbol in the definition, in the tail of the list of definitions < 1354233921 347323 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mascarpone is slightly more tricky < 1354233935 881787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to have some kind of functions yes < 1354233952 487008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's all so abstract < 1354233959 819088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of some of ais523's problems with Feather. < 1354233978 484676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also ridiculously meta-circular. < 1354234059 377983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I have no idea what "the way that lexical variables are captured in closures in functional languages" is < 1354234111 985391 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me more about feather? < 1354234143 174843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he can't < 1354234144 955474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can < 1354234149 354079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? feather < 1354234152 799151 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354234157 14689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even hackego can < 1354234186 7665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahha < 1354234186 81189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, feather's a vague concept wrapped in years of in-jokes < 1354234188 823398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the meaning there is that interpreters "close over" operations in that you can't get the operation "out" of the interpreter except in the way specified in that interpreter's semantics < 1354234197 701102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354234203 966505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354234301 772664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the interpreter that is captured in the operation < 1354234342 69217 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, other way around < 1354234348 392881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I see it an interpreter is a (symbol * operation list) list < 1354234380 350141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an operation is (symbol list) * interpreter < 1354234381 94193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah that doesn't work for the bottom interpreter < 1354234390 181124 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354234410 695100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so interpreter would be something like Null | Initial | New of (symbol * operation list) list < 1354234419 271113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so technically it's potentially not infinite < 1354234423 183572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be ok by me < 1354234431 410721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a hard time explaining that to ocaml < 1354234456 343099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no equivalent to the "let rec x = f(y) and y = g(x)" for types < 1354234484 296199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I define operations first, ocaml is gonna tell me it doesn't know what "interpreter" means < 1354234484 928829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably better to see an operation as some function performing whatever action the operation actually should perform. < 1354234496 411513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would guess that's what the implementation does. < 1354234496 669007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok, I'll try to do it that way < 1354234502 715133 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, perhaps i'm misunderstanding the page, but it seems just like reified environments < 1354234515 432202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to look at chris' implementation before I do my own < 1354234624 712639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do you put strings on the stack? < 1354234642 336639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, nevermind, it's obvious. < 1354234699 931603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott it has been a few minutes < 1354234708 646097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want more minutes < 1354234909 549969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the wiki seems to handle the /// page badly < 1354234936 815380 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, "Slashes" is the redirect and /// the page, so /// is categorized, but links to /// directly don't work < 1354234937 349291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mw uses / for subpages < 1354235010 423241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq My son looks a bit like me, he can put away the plates after dinner now thanks to edwardk! <-- hum... < 1354235010 735670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354235035 516667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i sometimes nag elliott about that. < 1354235042 469442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone is porting Mosh to AIX < 1354235050 432751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1354235051 336030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not in the main namespace of esolang < 1354235065 522134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about subpages. < 1354235069 824531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about me being irresponsible. < 1354235078 817877 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irresponsible < 1354235081 155206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we agree on that! < 1354235082 80925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name for an esolang < 1354235087 464457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How's the Android port doing? < 1354235088 990573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is mosh available for plan 9 yet < 1354235095 797586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually mosh does something that plan 9 should never be made to do < 1354235146 829041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it used to work at the time /// was a featured language, but somehow it broke again. < 1354235149 506581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somebody has a fork of connectbot that does mosh < 1354235151 101504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which < 1354235174 427434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop.aspx < 1354235181 470152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which what < 1354235182 754260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we tried \/\/\/ < 1354235187 326837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I broke it < 1354235187 546582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ultrabook-ish laptop from dell that comes with ubuntu < 1354235208 475550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also like all cloud and shit < 1354235266 923718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by upgrading, i assumed? < 1354235275 386701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1354235282 589225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the resolution? < 1354235300 523619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1354235304 459921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I changed the config < 1354235349 735932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1354235365 171324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "I'm actually not sure what concatenative exactly mean". it means that syntactic concatenation denotes semantic composition < 1354235378 269790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354235388 220285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing more? < 1354235389 460555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broadly, it means that if you get two valid programs and append their sources, the meaning of the resulting program is the function composition of those two programs < 1354235402 17859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a traditional stack language, your semantics are a function from stacks to stacks) < 1354235402 256193 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nothing more'? but that's cool < 1354235408 193230 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something monoids < 1354235423 376488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have 3 3 + that's the composition of the program that takes a stack and pushes 3 to it, that same program again, and the program that takes two elements off the top of the stack, adds them, and pushes the result back < 1354235432 304724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes that's the idea in carriage < 1354235434 733200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you a program which pushes 6 to a stack < 1354235448 325234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't think you need an identity for this to be well-defined, actually < 1354235453 214207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a semigroup < 1354235471 143233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, apart from possible nameclashes in more complex languages < 1354235489 182915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that many many languages are concatenative < 1354235490 102970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1354235519 576579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many actual real programming languages? < 1354235520 536511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1354235540 475224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can sort of argue that C is sort of concatenative kind of, but not really < 1354235567 483635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i concatenative < 1354235577 929024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fact that you need a function called main is embarrassing < 1354235672 473226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott why do i get the sense you are not doing anything relating to dwarf fortress < 1354235720 758531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ocaml fits better than C < 1354235738 280090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a minute ok < 1354235739 842935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1354235747 768173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait what about imports < 1354235755 723239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can ocaml have those anywhere < 1354235765 970672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, anywhere < 1354235768 225923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1354235783 981493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell must have them at the top, alas < 1354235788 962035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1354235790 579220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also has that pesky main < 1354235800 91593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml is better than Haskell THERE YOU HAVE IT < 1354235817 798745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a better name and logo though < 1354235836 647183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed that was so you could chase imports without reading the whole file < 1354235839 610542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad haskell makes you organise imports reasonably < 1354235845 905788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well haskell has to process modules to parse < 1354235847 764869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fixity < 1354235868 916282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a separate last parsing step now < 1354235879 302094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys do you all know about alonzo church's son dating haskell curry's daughter < 1354235892 962029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone should know that < 1354235896 312974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: vaguely rings a bell < 1354235902 729512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of it before < 1354235923 211533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should be able to query the unicode character database via DNS < 1354235940 145356 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the CS paparazzi when you need 'em < 1354235945 955326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think that was superturing's origin story) < 1354235990 389483 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1354235992 86528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that is the coolest thing ever < 1354235995 789700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Any idea why UnicodeData.txt is incomplete? < 1354235997 695237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both superturing's parents are functional? < 1354236003 45374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocker < 1354236011 818969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1354236014 734020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do yo umean < 1354236033 837030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't contain a bunch of codepoints. < 1354236048 440337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like U+3456 㑖 < 1354236086 813349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt < 1354236092 89607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354236097 638737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where else should I get my up-to-date Unicode information? < 1354236098 640247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qed. 㑖 < 1354236254 518134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a weird-looking character. < 1354236268 74893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :人 + 仲. Really? < 1354236282 404012 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1354236290 780142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 人 is also not in there. < 1354236298 92773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is of course 人 + 中) < 1354236312 398350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The *hell*? < 1354236317 607548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think U+4EBA would be there, right? < 1354236328 12958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing all those what'sitcalled characters. < 1354236350 407993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. 人 was definitely in the first Unicode version with CJK. < 1354236360 49642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical kindergartner knows it. < 1354236368 128272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some of these characters display here. :( < 1354236369 339750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's not actually a big box? < 1354236378 980866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i got a double width replacement box :3 < 1354236455 622124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Maybe it's just not part of UnicodeData.Txt < 1354236458 11899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/T/t/ < 1354236492 523342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/CJKRadicals.txt seems to have it. < 1354236508 839485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. It *is* a radical. < 1354236529 463530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I get one file with all the codepoints in a uniform format? < 1354236542 181871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought UnicodeData.txt was supposed to be complete! < 1354236570 251711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354236615 236694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott how 'bout that minute huh < 1354236656 9258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about some more minutes < 1354236680 436018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/BidiMirroring.txt < 1354236683 902795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ☝ < 1354236693 507041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should've known about that. < 1354236733 280136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice < 1354236767 944126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf "PARAPHRASE BRACKET" < 1354236770 213530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses that < 1354236969 388676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/NamesList.txt < 1354236972 124746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's the file I need. < 1354236983 492361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'll need to write a more complicated program to process that. :-( < 1354237069 627318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand what @/expand is for in macarphone. < 1354237093 418079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of a kid who loves Japan and always reads about Japan on the Internet (like you do) but doesn't have Japanese fonts < 1354237101 860617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so he thinks that Japanese people use a writing system where you put four hex digits in a box < 1354237104 954523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and learns to read this < 1354237163 748470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds like the plot to a really bad short story < 1354237172 670088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354237187 446095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better as a minor character detail in a story < 1354237199 584524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the han characters in unicode ordered in any particular way? < 1354237205 90382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stroke or something < 1354237210 609960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're ordered by codepoint. < 1354237242 294923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354237263 904068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19F0 KHMER SYMBOL TUTEYASAT * represents the second Ashadha in the lunar calendar during the Adhikameas leap year < 1354237266 774030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is great. < 1354237275 987181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of details UnicodeData.txt doesn't have. < 1354237303 171307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@+ These form a set of four quine corners, for quincuncial arrangement. They are also used in upper and lower pairs in mathematic, or more rarely in editorial usage as alternatives to half brackets. < 1354237303 562814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1354237312 210624 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354237318 784367 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354237336 50376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These form a set of four corner brackets and are used editorially. They are distinguished from mathematical floor and ceiling characters. Occasionally quine corners are substituted for half brackets. < 1354237368 433304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1354237397 839086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This style is sometimes known as open-face or blackboard-bold. Double-struck symbols already encoded in the Letterlike Symbols block and omitted here to avoid duplicate encoding. Considerable variation in font style is acceptable, as long as the glyphs retain the visual element of doubled strokes. < 1354237414 794874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F374 FORK AND KNIFE = restaurant, meal * glyph may show a fork and spoon * glyph may show a crossed fork and knife * glyph may show a fork and knife with a plate < 1354237466 692172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like all the emoticons, myself < 1354237475 634796 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are some ones for catgirlfaces < 1354237484 498120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to be in the succession fort...... < 1354237490 448521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1354237555 46920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :{ < 1354237605 229562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: that sounds like the plot to a really bad short story <-- reminds me of a part of the plot to a book series about swedish (i think?) immigrants to america. one guy got this swedish-english phrase book and learned it by heart. only when he tried to speak with americans did he discover that english isn't spoken as it is spelled. < 1354237650 487145 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does the name list have 1F4A9 PILE OF POO? < 1354237682 58691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : = dog dirt < 1354237694 527227 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook < 1354237734 564933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F4A0 DIAMOND SHAPE WITH A DOT INSIDE = kawaii, cute * meaning of cuteness is based on association of glyph with shape of a flower < 1354237811 604452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1354237937 648206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :💠 < 1354237954 243156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :🍴 < 1354238127 821270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354238157 284339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1354238166 677978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i want to start the fortress but it's impossible to play df properly without listening to its background music but i don't want to :{ < 1354238184 6711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you get over your issue w/ its background music < 1354238239 423432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things take time, monqy < 1354238260 478369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: df has atmosphere < 1354238281 207238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why the dorfs don't all croak immediately < 1354240332 333383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical, i get at least 40 http://ompldr.org/vZ2kycw/iqtest.PNG < 1354240379 308498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens now allows you to implement unsafeCoerce < 1354240390 395075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exciting new feature?" < 1354240390 501611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yay! < 1354240520 365518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can find no reasonably canonical interpretation that gives one of the numbers listed. < 1354240535 820391 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354240541 896505 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda wonder... are there any ARM systems-on-a-chip that can do über-low-latency sound processing? < 1354240566 470138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the question is "how many squares do you see", btw) < 1354240637 105751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see 1024000 < 1354240642 579255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all very little < 1354240648 785918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1354240666 387102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: there are SoC's with integrated DSP < 1354240703 140112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do 'you' get it < 1354240721 501885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combination of that and running a RTOS on the ARM part should suffice for many things < 1354240770 479769 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354240785 811463 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the main CPU a lot faster? < 1354240797 324740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you are doing i guess < 1354240811 164934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know really < 1354240916 685381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some small electric pixies explained it to me. < 1354241055 260874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i may be a housecat http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/121129.html < 1354241058 240305 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sound synthesis < 1354241095 335896 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical modelling algo with a delay line, bandpass filter, nonlinearity, exciter plus a bunch of effects < 1354241169 707887 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1354241201 222167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome c00kiemon5ter < 1354241205 272411 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354241233 171186 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora there was an update a bit earlier < 1354241277 888924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has occured to me that the itflabtijtslwi deadfish could be converted to use decimal (and so allow bigger numbers) if i could just find a way to do multiplication in a fixed number of substitution commands. < 1354241285 421908 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai o/ < 1354241292 841036 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tbh I've never worked with DSPs < 1354241305 103662 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : mostly because you never get access to them anyways < 1354241310 308741 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on cell phones) < 1354241395 974761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i _think_ i can reduce to sorting a list of unary numbers < 1354241588 875605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i still don't know how to do. < 1354242086 321378 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah on cell phones it's almost impossible to get low latency < 1354242120 48241 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are built for angry birds and youtube, not for music < 1354242137 594530 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, making music that is... consuming music is a-ok of course) < 1354242149 86345 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even angry birds is a stretch < 1354242156 187462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're not that good at any of it. < 1354242159 742143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, got my new business cards. < 1354242163 206152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printed on the back of playing cards. < 1354242172 905760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I saw. Those things are awesome. < 1354242199 582212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still unsure X-D < 1354242212 594099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoulda made it pony themed. < 1354242228 687612 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, maybe not. < 1354242239 814681 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think “they're playing cards” is plenty eccentric. < 1354242251 524739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "instead of playing cards". < 1354242274 871915 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually play cards with 'em? < 1354242283 124533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. There's many ways of being eccentric, and all of them pretty nice. < 1354242305 400442 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1354242316 605015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Except that he won't have a deck for long. < 1354242328 30034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ok, he can just downgrade to Pinochle. < 1354242361 657081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a real, complete deck of playing cards, yes, but I don't intend to use them as such since that would defeat the whole “business card” thing ;) < 1354242583 233173 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354242942 623907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Hagfish are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354243007 486726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hagfish is kept alive and irritated by rattling its container with a stick, prompting it to produce slime in large quantities. This slime is used in a similar manner as egg whites in various forms of cookery in the region. < 1354244226 813885 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1354245618 974748 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354246089 986065 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354246465 246976 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354248129 317855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Onght iodg < 1354249100 259941 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354249283 267992 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354249890 631668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poëtic" < 1354249905 282272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the most pretentious use of diæresis i have seen < 1354249907 472167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if "noël", why not "poëtic"? < 1354249922 323653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think even the new yorker would do that < 1354249931 13041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1354249938 264181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know of a good XCompose configuration file? < 1354249941 593161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The excuse for "noël" is that it's spelled that way in French. < 1354249943 373193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR the default one is really awfully terrible. < 1354249963 591834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/10/typing-mathematical-characters-in-x.html < 1354249983 313532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default one is pretty good as far as actual letters, i've found < 1354249986 723775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical characters such as ꙮ < 1354250014 649183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask pikhq_ instead. < 1354250018 225052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq_! < 1354250019 692225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to use e.g. da do de di for ♬♩♫♪ < 1354250033 217530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't have that one < 1354250044 926463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did add the unaccented greek alphabet though < 1354250060 776733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you type ꙮ? < 1354250067 124314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A66E? < 1354250164 254406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy pasta < 1354250172 585830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could use the spanish keyboard tbh < 1354250182 313311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use the default. < 1354250184 924477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: huh? < 1354250186 723627 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty and has a lot of common accents < 1354250195 514144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I'll have to ask you if you find a better one. < 1354250197 904533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really my use-case < 1354250211 755745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i think i found one that redid the whole thing from scratch with the one problem that i didn't like the combos it used < 1354250219 918016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want accented latin characters, the default xcompose is fine < 1354250255 787045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it covers vietnamese, but most european languages using the latin alphabet < 1354250257 954727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. You can type "Erdős" just fine that way. < 1354250263 231708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would kind of like LaTeX support :P < 1354250264 980081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah =o < 1354250267 43308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :faux-LaTeX that is < 1354250274 756010 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do Vietnamese, yeah. < 1354250276 784820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a gtk input mode < 1354250283 905852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I think it's bad < 1354250285 143218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := limited < 1354250285 722155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... whatever thingy gtk uses < 1354250287 294470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1354250298 863560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert gnome bashing here < 1354250302 615382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical characters like ☭ < 1354250319 359188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, Vietnamese is a Roman alphabet rendering stress test. < 1354250324 281863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should write a c compiler named cccp < 1354250342 937891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is already a research group name < 1354250344 695536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1354250356 3670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it's awkward when they get visiting postdocs from baltic states < 1354250358 899921 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how do you tell what Multi_key is in your setup, do you know? < 1354250371 327975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just an X keysym < 1354250375 255821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bind it with xmodmap < 1354250388 36711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess for the default you woud have to look in the keyboard layout definition files < 1354250397 215995 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm... thanks < 1354250399 392817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect by default it's unbound. < 1354250416 459971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1354250417 219033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just open xev and then mash all keys < 1354250422 505715 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Win here. < 1354250425 886497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my previous method < 1354250440 419119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have win as hyper. i think i'm running out of weird modifier keys to use. < 1354250452 416987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on thinkpads you can use Fn as Multi_key < 1354250454 748136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what to put compose on < 1354250457 257978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use right-alt as my xmonad key < 1354250464 110546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use right win < 1354250464 896876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sends a key event if you press and release it without pressing anything else < 1354250466 724558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-win. < 1354250478 120368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does? that's news to me < 1354250478 276691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of awkward to press tho :( < 1354250490 170661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should buy a happy hacking keyboard so all the keys i can possibly press are readily accessible < 1354250503 193031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but composing glyphs is a relatively infrequent thing. < 1354250507 558575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and switch to colemak and become a hermit and retreat into the antarctic wastelands and kill myself < 1354250509 914821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could use H-Menu instead of Menu for wm shit < 1354250553 879128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have left ctrl for opening browser tabs, left win for opening native apps, left alt for alt, right alt for WM actions, right win for Compose, and right Ctrl for nothing because it's a fucking pain to hit < 1354250568 14983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have Fn send Esc if you press and release, but I don't use it much < 1354250571 709352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alas, I don't have the option. < 1354250574 843581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a hack to use Caps Lock as both Ctrl and Esc < 1354250582 796987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should switch to that < 1354250588 19392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use Ctrl-[ for Esc these days < 1354250618 321850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well antarctica is a little inaccessible I admit, but suicide? < 1354250635 828788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was referring to the entire list. < 1354250646 561454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suicide is essentially always an option, of course. < 1354250654 978730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream < 1354250675 514214 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a terrifying thought < 1354250678 335839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A profoundly suboptimal option, but nevertheless. < 1354250683 327174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I am going to switch to an obscure keyboard layout < 1354250693 461560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I better switch to the one whose superiority to QWERTY I am most convinced of < 1354250722 54975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty clear that both dvorak and colemak are superior to qwerty < 1354250746 737389 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are there good studies now? < 1354250747 33153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe colemak is slightly better than dvorak, maybe not, buti don't think it matters < 1354250754 406689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I phrased it badly < 1354250760 404082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvorak is much more standard < 1354250763 389725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'd better switch to the one that I am most convinced is best" < 1354250785 792904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't use other people's keyboards very much but it's awkward enough to switch to Dvorak on those that I'd rather just remember how to type with QWERTY < 1354250794 445175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not that awkward < 1354250808 873422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have to use someone else's computer for more than 5 minutes i would usually want to switch it < 1354250816 835787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I already use xmonad and customise the programs I use fairly heavily < 1354250818 14170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to dvorak takes about 30 seconds in most operating sysem < 1354250823 639752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone else's computer is always going to be awkward < 1354250838 552733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter is always going to be cold so you might as well go outside naked < 1354250839 336103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people restrict themselves to almost-stock settings and the like to avoid that painfulness and that's fine but those aren't my priorities < 1354250878 902630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't find the gain compelling enough for the (expected) loss in the vast majority of my computer-using time given that the scenario it helps with is already moderately painful < 1354250893 496455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fine < 1354250916 35489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i went to the computer store to evaluate laptop keyboards, it was very useful that i could switch them to dvorak < 1354250956 173835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i went to the [...] store" — kmc, noted jokester < 1354250957 803216 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354250972 19294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1354250977 787032 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354250977 860543 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354251157 102266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgieither < 1354251158 473712 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354251191 999436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yo I'm gonna practice being a keyboard nerd since I know quite a fair bit about keyboards and it'd be a shame not to turn this knowledge into smugness: < 1354251200 879760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't have to type on laptop keyboards to know they're all shit < 1354251212 143981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1354251220 440592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but i still want to know which one is least shit < 1354251240 877764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get a Model M. < 1354251244 930815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :model ms suck < 1354251245 4269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the one true keyboard?" < 1354251247 600260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't suck < 1354251250 161978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're seriously overrated < 1354251250 563051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :model m = the future < 1354251255 738995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I typed on a Model M for >a year) < 1354251283 627593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1354251298 112786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a real model m for a few years and a unicomp model m clone for a few more < 1354251323 792033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ignoring practical constraints like it has a ton of useless keys and is fucking huge and makes a racket, the buckling springs are just way too heavy really < 1354251342 947679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have mechanical fingers of steel or whatever I'm pretty sure another keyboard will be better for typing < 1354251364 677370 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless keys? < 1354251371 592799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the mythical keyboard of Real Hackers from before I was born so it must be good < 1354251384 326956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's overrated? < 1354251389 299328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having → and End keys. < 1354251392 606719 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling things overrated? < 1354251396 174099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh screw keyboards, you should become a gun nerd < 1354251412 461331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you can argue the superiority of designs almost 100 years old < 1354251420 566773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's probably easier to kill people with a model m than a gun < 1354251432 764659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the mythbusters < 1354251443 339809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a good time to bring up how much I fucking loathe numpads < 1354251447 761987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wish they would retroactively never have existed < 1354251495 868158 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh got yeah I can't live without home/end < 1354251516 123792 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that numpads... suck < 1354251537 705924 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They're there for those people that want to input lots of numbers but can't be bothered to learn to touch type. < 1354251541 546605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. morons < 1354251556 278496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for spreadsheets/accounting and stuff I assume they are more efficient than the numpad < 1354251561 229895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only input numbers all day, presumably it is less finger movement < 1354251562 168565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354251562 419505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should really just be a separate device < 1354251563 308647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my laptop keyboard is numpad-free < 1354251564 979581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck it haters. < 1354251573 68825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed you can buy USB numpads! < 1354251579 58743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all we have to do is bring USB back in time < 1354251590 621410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you can find USB numpads for free in basements < 1354251603 345553 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: that's fine < 1354251642 267267 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: it's when they start removing other stuff like home, end, pgup, pgdown, F keys, delete, insert... < 1354251657 177731 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a numpad it's harder to play NetHack! < 1354251663 122325 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people not used to vi-style keys < 1354251664 646893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's easier. < 1354251669 380337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl is the future, sgeo. < 1354251673 29790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't people, Sgeo__. < 1354251675 79224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like irc < 1354251676 656928 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: no way < 1354251688 179484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is the messaging system of the future < 1354251704 96949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficiently XJSONML < 1354251705 220008 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc navigated via hjkl. < 1354251721 153702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm sorry for inventing that < 1354251725 380768 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: you can't do that, hjkl types letters < 1354251729 736606 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wrong shape < 1354251736 651298 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be reverse T shaped < 1354251738 414071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: you hit i before you want letters < 1354251738 650115 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like WASD < 1354251742 60410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, see, you just get a virtual keyboard, which you move around on with hjkl < 1354251747 834926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354251766 194774 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IJKL would be acceptable < 1354251774 430450 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HJKL is the wrong shape < 1354251777 789621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colemak tries to keep zxcv in place < 1354251781 441569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was making a keyboard layout < 1354251786 674154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would try to keep hjklyubn in the same place < 1354251796 222486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would squander half of the home row < 1354251801 230026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1354251807 615299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vikeys is no squandering < 1354251814 746402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he'd make the left side chorded. < 1354251815 585489 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl belongs on VT terminals < 1354251826 494982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'j' is one of the least used letters in English and it has the best possible spot in QWERTY < 1354251848 693762 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses it :( < 1354251860 595141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about words like "jalopy" < 1354251875 14076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name starts with the most important QWERTY letter! < 1354251875 106459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only less used letters are x, q, and z < 1354251882 213268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel special then < 1354251905 470804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Josiah "pikhq" Worcester does. < 1354251936 855340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "p. sure the most important qwerty letter is h" < 1354252000 228249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important letter is q < 1354252003 497599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is the awesome < 1354252008 334544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once i agree with quintopia < 1354252011 484324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did stick it in my nick. < 1354252012 421313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously q is the best fucking letter in the alphabet < 1354252016 351327 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354252060 207095 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is why no language has that sound? < 1354252062 113856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you type that upside down 'd' < 1354252066 324662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreement? this is too much. i may have to recant in order to not agree with elliott < 1354252066 470168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurf durf < 1354252067 731583 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except arabic < 1354252080 382753 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :even jews have given up on q < 1354252083 308240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to recant a plain fact < 1354252109 851907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: fuck languages < 1354252113 311977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be as wrong as they want < 1354252116 704479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q will still be the greatest < 1354252122 202173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even matter how it's pronounced < 1354252163 271631 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we replace "k" with "q". < 1354252174 352676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucq "k". < 1354252235 504451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minnna, qe- wo qiȳu- tè qaqou! < 1354252283 915590 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354252474 163378 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354252760 540766 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354252934 29353 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354252944 392472 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354252947 953144 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1354253471 67833 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354253828 580050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott = a jerk < 1354253890 566827 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I su nobody? < 1354253897 102352 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1354255054 960982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk elliott < 1354255056 349689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jelliott < 1354255090 69412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (n) a jerk. < 1354255185 46031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelliott < 1354255189 9124 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354255839 960220 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354256413 526105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: quelliott is like qualia but all the qualia are horrible. < 1354256455 626448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also how come the incorrect URL highlights I was talking about stay *even when irssi scrolls*? < 1354256463 388666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they move up with the scrolling. < 1354256570 960619 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354256671 30710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you do diæreses with the default compose setup? < 1354256679 261637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose " letter doesn't seem to -- oh < 1354256691 90675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it wrong. :( < 1354256897 835036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354257036 563317 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: I talked to that kid again today < 1354257044 280371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kid < 1354257065 21320 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one who thinks prepared queries don't fully protect against SQL Injection < 1354257091 150040 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His new argument: The null byte breaks stuff, and according to him, PHP and most other languages except for Pascal use C-style strings < 1354257115 412011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be sad to be trapped in the seventies < 1354257130 497093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the null byte "breaks stuff" < 1354257138 50605 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not his words, sorry < 1354257138 578773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because somehow your input string gets a null byte in the middle of it < 1354257148 480312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite your strings being null-terminated < 1354257156 499364 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, assumed to be because of malicious user < 1354257169 635594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: what? < 1354257180 952663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying it is impossible to have a nul in the middle of a null-terminated string < 1354257184 797737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you agree < 1354257192 570192 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1354257243 937182 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked out and noted to him that the SQLite and MySQL prepared query C-level APIs, for the parts where you give the API a string, it asks for a length (SQLite makes it optional either give length or assume nul-terminated string) < 1354257270 477819 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said he definitely did attack a PHP script that used MySQL prepared queries with a null byte < 1354257385 477357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot < 1354257506 810398 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also with the null-terminated thing: He talked about using the null byte to do weird file system stuff. I said that was an OS-level issue, he said no because it works on both Windows and Linux < 1354257526 719178 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a page in the PHP documentation that mentions it, he just sort of said that it was wrong < 1354257534 691420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1354257536 683633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot < 1354257557 522776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: "Weird file system stuff"? < 1354257567 913671 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, not his words, sorry < 1354257585 864548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... Terminating a path early? < 1354257593 144763 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354257601 300556 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1354257621 847782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot < 1354258010 131125 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354258285 4811 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354258446 492721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354258496 462813 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354258690 399617 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354258714 200907 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1354258881 635000 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354258881 840175 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354260150 352876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it would be cool if mosh provided fully local line editing falicities controlled by special control codes!!! i anticipate the chance of this feature getting added to be 0 < 1354260154 588353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that sentence is awkward < 1354261642 697964 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354262150 737168 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354263130 719972 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354263877 564911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354266914 161362 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354266914 271619 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354266914 271784 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354267061 952046 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354267126 23401 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354267579 327837 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354268144 409854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354268458 429560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354268905 962231 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354269381 875548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354272566 308602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: guess what i didn't do < 1354273349 741252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fuck's sake man < 1354273720 722638 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a definition of ? that tricked me for a short while < 1354273743 600425 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit cheaty, but it doesn't even work anyway < 1354273754 608424 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1354273775 387796 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = (a+b)/2 + 2 < 1354273799 252722 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is? < 1354273801 771012 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did the math right (I didn't write it down), a ? a = a + 2 and a ? a ? a = a + 3 < 1354273813 999215 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a ? a ? a ? a != 4 < 1354273868 181098 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, a vague notion of some operation, such that addition is sort of like repeated ? < 1354273895 783588 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of fun that that given operation works for a?a and a?a?a but not a?a?a?a < 1354273908 721527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the properties said ? has to satisfy < 1354273979 887946 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, repeating it should result in addition, and it shouldn't be too trivial < 1354273994 699246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense / in what sense < 1354274029 989560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Sgeo__ is unhappy with the successor function and wants to invent his own < 1354274031 156968 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to pin down what I think is too trivial, but as far as the first in what sense: a?a = a+2; a?a?a = a+3; a?a?a?a = a+4, etc. < 1354274054 828437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm the successor function is unary Phantom_Hoover < 1354274070 530541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = Sa < 1354274072 577255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too trivial??? < 1354274080 163714 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not commutative < 1354274094 252452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to give things up monqy .............. to achieve ur dreams < 1354274127 490932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it's!! not even associative!!! < 1354274132 886608 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm too worried about commutativity. But that definition is definitely too trivial. (Also wrong, but hey... although, come to think of it) < 1354274154 84627 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not associative what you mean by wrong < 1354274170 654765 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean by wrong is a?a = a+1 when I was looking for a?a = a+2 < 1354274178 473326 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354274189 278957 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that too" < 1354274202 396157 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I guess looking for an operator where a?a = a+1 might be more fruitful... and again ignoring trivial things >.> < 1354274207 117672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = Sa unless this is the first ? and then it's a instead < 1354274218 407219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition of ?: a ? a = a + 1 < 1354274229 738018 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? ... ? a = n where n is the number of a appearing in there < 1354274237 630016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = a + (b/a)???? < 1354274247 762152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a promising start' -people < 1354274268 150925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ps what associativity is ? < 1354274270 746181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you pick either < 1354274300 601350 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, I guess < 1354274311 71099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354274325 641304 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think f(a,b) = ln(e^a + e^b) is a fun operator < 1354274347 940944 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of hoping that that or a variation of it could be used for this, but it's fun in and of itself, I think < 1354274375 498951 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the "cool associativity" where a ? a ? a ? a = (a ? a) ? (a ? a) < 1354274386 263946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::=, rather < 1354274400 625193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Double Cool Associativity whereby a ? a ? a = a + 3 < 1354274405 248460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":=" < 1354274421 438349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real joke: people who make a distionctioneoi rjowrjeoi wjeroi jweo fjowfj iowjf iowjef owjf kfwpfl [wlf lwf[p lw] r;f]3[r; ]f/; f ew,f ;lwker lp[ro[ 3- 2o=- =`= -=` 0-3i -4 k1o < 1354274421 832420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :associativity where my dreams come true??? yes please < 1354274425 506577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : o1-o fkl 4po jng < 1354274430 92512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you ever give up < 1354274437 108049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was me giving up on writing that sentence < 1354274456 808400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the sentence............................... < 1354274464 130688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1354274465 94028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its lost < 1354274466 111530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever now < 1354274467 833818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1354274468 13176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R. I. P. < 1354274529 942376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the properties that a ? a = a + 2 and a ? a ? a = a + 3, then (a ? a ? a) ? (a ? a ? a) = (a + 3) ? (a + 3) = a + 3 + 2 = a + 5 -- but you also wanted a ? a ? a ? a ? a ? a in general to be a + 6, which is perhaps a bit of a problem. < 1354274574 200562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think sgeo cares about associativity though, which is weird given the way he was writing his stuff!!! < 1354274584 574615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also going backwards from a?a?a = a+3, a?a = a+2, I suppose then a = a+1. < 1354274585 480992 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's almost like he hadn't thought it through" < 1354274612 959025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: imo Double Cool Associativity solves these problems? and more? < 1354274638 705251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double Cool probably solves anything, it's so cool. < 1354274663 860560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other solutions: infinity number system where every number is infinity < 1354274666 80217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = a+1? no problem < 1354274675 845647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+5 = a+6? no problem < 1354274724 912739 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is it really a big deal to say that ((a ? a) ? a) ? a not always = (a ? a) ? (a ? a) < 1354274725 539273 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354274737 319920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo i think the a = a + 1 thing might be more of a problem < 1354274821 31669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unfair to say that a = a + 1 when he hasn't even explained his notation < 1354274832 334188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a = a + 2!!!!! < 1354274854 468699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354274863 220355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say that + is defined in the "usual" manner < 1354274881 782978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + Sb = a ? (a + b) -- adjust for associativity < 1354274896 354172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + 1 = a -- base case < 1354274910 625639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont quite know why you wouldnt just go with a ? a = a + 1 tho < 1354274920 6080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like 1 is privileged as a base-case for repeaty thirng rj jwraw klsf aew; ';. < 1354274922 805907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up again < 1354274924 114577 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can live with a ? a = a + 1 < 1354274932 757689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whats a ? (a + 1)!!!!!!! < 1354274964 84947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 4 < 1354274983 761555 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason I was thinking a ? a = a + 2 is because a + a = a * 2 < 1354275077 13478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let fizzie figure it out < 1354275087 607428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: < 1354275092 418791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps, thats a smiley < 1354275531 828187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354275545 287415 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354275962 56948 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Well, is it really a big deal to say that ((a ? a) ? a) ? a not always = (a ? a) ? (a ? a)" if you don't have associativity, computations become harder usually. < 1354276000 986115 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean calculations < 1354276631 54527 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1354276647 768676 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a?a = a+1 < 1354276662 218750 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (a+1)?(a+1) = a+1+1=a+2 < 1354276690 127855 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, ideally, (a?a)?a = a+2 = (a+1)?a < 1354276703 344677 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (a+1)?a = (a+1)?(a+1) < 1354276765 354885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1354276838 156026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was the idea to change the definition so that a?a = a+1 for all a but you still get some nontrivial operation? < 1354276844 224338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that a?b may not be a+1 < 1354276865 331035 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yeah < 1354276872 117690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you say a+2 = (a+1)?a < 1354276897 120046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because the point is to have addition be "repeated ?" < 1354276905 646956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to define addition inductively by ? < 1354276911 611211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very good poitn < 1354276912 854562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1354276944 36896 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case is there an associative operation on N such that a?a = a+1 for all a? < 1354276956 151399 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the end result will probably be the successor operation, ignoring the second argument of ? :-P < 1354276972 191984 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, there's an operation < 1354276988 724876 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's associative, but < 1354276998 733228 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2(2^a + 2^b) = a?b < 1354277002 393570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to have addition be repeated ?, then i'm pretty sure it has to be successor . takeleftarg < 1354277051 85042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354277062 246936 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?a = log_2(2*2^a) = log_2 2 + log_2 2^a = 1 + a < 1354277069 84283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's ruled out by Sgeo__'s undefined nebulous triviality rule < 1354277085 729690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: so what's a?b? < 1354277094 502106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2(2^a + 2^b) < 1354277095 732804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1354277100 123191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354277141 554732 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then (a?b)?c = log_2(2^log_2(2^a + 2^b) + 2^c) = associative < 1354277142 322402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1354277167 887819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is (a?a)?a = a+2?????????????? the mysteries < 1354277190 269317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i though he checked that < 1354277195 28334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not < 1354277207 784254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it :D :D < 1354277211 270213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it is < 1354277216 708424 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. At least, I'm fairly sure the answer is no. I came up with the general thing against the whole ? idea when wondering about this particular operation < 1354277217 408351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1354277217 957475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god (W|A) doesn't seem to think so either < 1354277221 450403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354277253 584697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to have that (a+1)?a = a+2 thing if you wanted (a?a)?a = a+2. < 1354277254 283262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have an operation that's associative such that a?a = a+1 < 1354277386 259912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, (a+n)?a = a+n+1 for all a with that idea < 1354277396 251687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what fizzie just said < 1354277429 567916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we require nothing for a?b where b is less than a < 1354277438 457912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1354277441 109019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is less than b < 1354277446 446409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott are you ever going to do that thin < 1354277451 614193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1354277475 147540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's the characterization right, any binary function such that a?b = a+1 when b \leq a < 1354277500 950525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ye but im tired right now so do you really want me to set up the fortress in that state < 1354277508 110079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider how horrifying awake elliott fortresses are < 1354277519 997133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do worldgen and pick an embark then < 1354277526 931739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you can make it commutative right < 1354277544 551001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?b = max(a, b) + 1 < 1354277580 924720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this is the unique commutative binary operation f such that addition is repeated f i guess < 1354277610 528582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could publish this in the journal of ridiculous theorems < 1354277611 854778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrates Sgeo__ < 1354277692 146691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If it's repeated with both arguments being the result of the previous, there are others < 1354277762 76418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my requirement was a + b = ((((a?a)?a)?a)?...)?a where a appears b+1 times on the right < 1354277771 233456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with yours, err < 1354277785 229975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a?a = a+1 < 1354277805 847380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure Sgeo__ meant what oklopol meant < 1354277807 80226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Sgeo__'s is a commutative associative operation < 1354277817 445448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pretty much anything else. < 1354277827 732189 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wasn't sure what you meant with "addition is repeated f" < 1354277839 957656 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1354277841 768401 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354277850 277385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Sgeo__ already solved it for that def < 1354277858 722288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: + : ? :: * : + < 1354277863 279366 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1354277864 985087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes I know < 1354277878 349688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that was just a random string of symbols < 1354277884 954888 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No it wasn't < 1354277909 725198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: im upset < 1354277910 342719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's just a very lucky guy < 1354278135 780768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354278971 63411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354279116 767017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know of a thing to get outgoing messages automatically split when they're too big w/ irssi < 1354279126 744952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this ancient perl script to do it but idk if it's any good or whatever < 1354279136 438909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts.irssi.org splitlong.pl is what I use. < 1354279209 421687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I use it with a /set splitlong_max_length 400 which is overly cautious, but the default -- which is calculate the exact limit programmatically -- sometimes miscalculates stuff due to things like freenode cloaks. < 1354279245 863185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "fis@iris.zem.fi" it believes will be in the message is shorter than the real "fis@unaffiliated/fizzie".) < 1354279266 430844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i found was http://scripts.irssi.org/html/autowrap.pl.html < 1354279299 9381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: solution: get rid of your cloak since you have a cool hostname?? < 1354279332 33666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/autowrap.pl and http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/splitlong.pl they're quite similar, except autowrap always uses that limit of 400, it seems. < 1354279341 31273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly curious that I hit the same number independently. < 1354279347 61804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Debian has literally a kajillion identds < 1354279395 459278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it binds to event_send_text vs. sig_command_msg so it might affect some cases where the other would not, but it's split everything I've typed just fine. < 1354279416 528493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool hostname unworks if I connect to a non-IPv6 server these days. :/ < 1354279448 717272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I connect with this fancy SSL thing. And then authenticate with this fancy SASL thing. < 1354279452 820140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like the future times a billion. < 1354279456 595947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1354279457 903711 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354279457 977053 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354279457 977176 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354279461 222036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server is the one doing the connection < 1354279464 848131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linode supports ipv6 < 1354279468 456604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make it connect with ipv6 < 1354279472 831455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i do this < 1354279476 510948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i can handle that much future < 1354279483 260405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1354279485 31680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is forever < 1354279511 848967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lazerfuture < 1354279531 465372 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354279551 870538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ < 1354279553 524553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is forever. < 1354279603 444392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you use a specific identd < 1354279607 188891 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354279609 238243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the giant dip on the 28th of september < 1354279611 619882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one once but I can't be bothered to use something that isn't apt-get!! < 1354279625 873055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the future briefly ceased being forever < 1354279670 312056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I seem to be using oidentd, but I don't have a very special reason for it. < 1354279739 896872 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354279786 346754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://outside.hut.fi/2_days.png GRAPH < 1354279792 864201 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354279797 356035 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354279818 718190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I get an IP address instead of a hostname < 1354279842 711324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1354279848 764959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In /whois < 1354279863 655843 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use oidentd. < 1354279911 727431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That looks cold. < 1354279919 355432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perhaps Freenode does the bidirectional check? < 1354279923 701510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cold in the other H town too but probably less cold. < 1354279924 29456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 109.75.188.190 < 1354279924 102214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :190.188.75.109.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net. < 1354279927 704722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net < 1354279927 861050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) < 1354279942 36652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have a hostname that doesn't work < 1354279942 349023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see fizzie isn't using a secure connection. < 1354279949 819334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naughty. < 1354279962 550668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should go back to 109.75.188.190 so that everyone would accept the reverse as genuine. < 1354279967 838964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do I get irssi to prefer IPv6 servers for the irc.freenode.net thingy?) < 1354279973 418585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it D-: < 1354279976 811739 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354279999 265296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say -6 to /connect and /server. < 1354280017 121802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried SSL/TLS with IRC, but WeeChat’s upgrade without dropping connections (as well as Irssi’s for that matter) doesn’t work with encrypted connections. < 1354280063 429180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: For irssi that's not a problem since it doesn't get new releases. < 1354280072 286635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354280075 90892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a way to -6ify my existing server entry without retyping my settings :( < 1354280078 988340 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, you'll have to disconnect for a few seconds! YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING IMPORTANT < 1354280091 51791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /save and edit the config file? < 1354280097 153525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work. < 1354280099 217206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: like a commoner! < 1354280112 787054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you add the server with the same name, it only edits the explicitly specified settings? Then again, maybe NOT. < 1354280115 400353 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: It’s not about missing messages, it’s about unnecessary quit/join spam. < 1354280124 446037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should set up the verify-server-SSL-key thing too. < 1354280127 909222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone IMPERSONATES FREENODE? < 1354280133 859422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you use nightly builds and upgrade daily. < 1354280148 332119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think about maybe SSLing, I think bip does that. But it doesn't do the SASL auth. < 1354280149 401442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a reasonable source of quit/join spam < 1354280150 960735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is so about missing messages) < 1354280159 689612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if YOU HAVE CHATTED ON A FAKE NETWORK ALL THIS TIME? < 1354280168 876282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I'm a fake fizzie too. < 1354280177 672944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should "verify my key", if you know what I mean. < 1354280181 275661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what I mean.) < 1354280219 977808 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION signs fizzie’s public key, if you catch my drift < 1354280330 17687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I mosh into my dtached irssi which connects with IPv6 ~verified~ SSL and authenticates with SASL using an identd that might just be too many things and I would explode. < 1354280339 726296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My key has 18 signatures. And apparently expired in 2006. < 1354280346 687891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't get much PGP'd mail.) < 1354280349 563139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, /server -6 irc.freenode.net DTRT. < 1354280355 630899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just didn't show it as DoingTRT in /server list. < 1354280362 480937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's the creation time. < 1354280428 233300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oidentd looks Totally Bloated. < 1354280433 115027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hierarchical configuration files and everything! < 1354280495 960144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's weird; "/server blah" is supposed to just connect to blah, not edit the server list. < 1354280521 257122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("/SERVER disconnects the server in active window and connects to the new one. It will take the same arguments as /CONNECT.") < 1354280564 39028 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked that /server command in irssi. I was always worried that I'd accidentally disconnect. < 1354280569 84788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or was it /server add? < 1354280575 848980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was: /server add -6 irc.freenode.net < 1354280576 256343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make more sense. < 1354280585 514879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice that it did the right thing. < 1354280602 847697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicer than I've grown to expect of this client. < 1354280603 239621 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354280622 402828 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354280622 475909 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354280671 733238 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The right thing to do with Irssi is to add a network (/network add Freenode IIRC), add a server to that (/server add -auto -network Freenode -6 irc.freenode.net IIRC) and connect using the network name (/connect Freenode IIRC). < 1354280708 477086 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’ll let you add alternative servers in case one is down and it will also connect correctly on startup. < 1354280714 164907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe this was already done, and the point was just to modify the settings of the server. < 1354280726 578939 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you’ll be able to add channels to be joined automatically to networks. < 1354280749 784625 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354280750 534835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I did that! < 1354280759 318751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: My network has one (1) server. < 1354280762 967826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never anticipate it having any more. < 1354280770 91129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My freenode server has the host name "freenode", and my ircnet server is called "ircnet". (The bouncer listens to all connections in the same port and differentiates networks by the password, but irssi refuses to accept multiple identical host:port servers, so I have to use dummy names and /set proxy_address 127.0.0.1, which is stupid.) < 1354280787 945146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what network? < 1354280788 257474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do people actually use IRCNet? < 1354280793 949345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: f re node < 1354280794 339824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish people do < 1354280796 62588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1354280804 567622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one else < 1354280808 580333 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCnet is probably the most popular network among Finns. < 1354280863 653617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, a languages joke: http://i.imgur.com/fIB5o.png < 1354280869 632493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irc.netsplit.de/tmp/networks/top10_2012u.png -- it's still quite high up there. < 1354280898 4878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats Undernet and EFnet in users quite clearly. < 1354280928 911415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Freenode has an interestingly strong week-periodic thing, stronger than the other networks. < 1354280943 155031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's because SERIOUS BUSINESSMEN use it for SERIOUS BUSINESS. < 1354280948 663822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFnet scares me a bit. < 1354280976 446367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used quakenet, freenode, ircnet, ef < 1354280980 280296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand dal < 1354280981 982121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought EFnet was at least bigger than Undernet. < 1354280992 289792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used those same networks as o. < 1354280993 545696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ef is kind of iffy < 1354281012 751204 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently on QuakeNet, FreeNode, IRCnet, EFnet, and OFTC, and I've also used Undernet and maybe Rizon. < 1354281031 167022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no longer in anywhere else than Freenode and IRCnet. :/ < 1354281087 297438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been on Ustream and other specific things with non-IRC-client programs. < 1354281101 84173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on free and quake because those are the only places where people get sad if i don't show up on channels, and i can't manage to make irc autoconnect when my computer explodes and i have to restart. < 1354281116 459234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is webchat < 1354281129 841446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you write an identd for me? < 1354281168 533615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it should do is if you have an ~/.identrc it runs that passing the server that's asking for the identity, and uses its output as the identity. < 1354281176 187593 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://webchat.xs4all.nl/ I think < 1354281177 949997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can be bothered. < 1354281187 691023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, but how about: reconsider? < 1354281193 104965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many shoes do you people have, i apparently have like 10 pairs < 1354281197 625997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's listed as a network, though. < 1354281204 471042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That one connects to real networks. < 1354281216 74222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, darn, missed that. < 1354281222 928792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only read most of the left column. < 1354281238 741081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to mean irc.webchat.org. < 1354281243 998112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them don't even have a sole < 1354281254 730701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is some kind of a thing. < 1354281257 728315 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's also www.webchat.org, which is its homepage. < 1354281265 125317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't understand it. < 1354281279 723360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do YOU use an identd??? Wait, maybe you answered already. < 1354281286 542106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. < 1354281294 566545 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Can't you tell with /whois?) < 1354281306 434091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That would be... cheating. < 1354281306 784140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used the XS4ALL webchat from some HTTP-only airports. < 1354281346 562599 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not enough: I need to buy new shoes ASAP because there is lots of snow everywhere and all my current shoes result in wet socks in such an environment. < 1354281378 205017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Speaking of whois, what's this as47215.net all about? It seems to be some kind of a German webhost/colo place. < 1354281414 276977 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the same problem < 1354281424 133153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I have a virtual server from DE.Punkt. < 1354281424 429154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1354281434 215889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should live somewhere it doesn't snow < 1354281436 611033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i actually prolly have better suited shoes but changing shoes is such an emotional rollercoaster. < 1354281453 450450 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I (think I) changed the RDNS now via the Web UI, but if it worked it hasn't propagated yet. < 1354281505 712903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does freenode even bother to make ident requests? < 1354281506 730705 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can query their nameservers directly, of course; it did work. < 1354281508 480616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's 2012. < 1354281577 859749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll install oidentd since nullidentd requires inetd. But still, ew. < 1354281669 278243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have something like five or six pairs of shoes maybe, if you count everything? But only one pair of borderline sensible winter ones. < 1354281690 840433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the shoes are kind of different type of shoes, I don't really have redundant shoes. < 1354281691 225502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one (1) pair of shoes I actually wear. < 1354281693 482739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're awful. < 1354281727 792912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife takes care of the redundant shoe ownership tasks in our household, which is I think a reasonably common setup. < 1354281735 776044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three pairs of outdoor shoes currently, two of which are redundant in the sense that I use them only when it's warm, and interchangeably. < 1354281755 59332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If alt+ produces "OD" and "OC" for left and right respectively, what's misconfigured? < 1354281758 869206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so sick of this stuff not working. < 1354281764 623017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never seems to get better. < 1354281824 219629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know how you managed to make the alt key not work, to be honest. < 1354281832 898070 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354281832 971285 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354281832 971431 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354281853 274356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Come on, it's like, not worked out of the box in Ubuntu for years and stuff. < 1354281857 788800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. this is in bash. < 1354281866 808640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the most persistently broken things. < 1354281878 422252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey. < 1354281881 128941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be mosh's fault. < 1354281883 416066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc!!!!!!!!!! < 1354281897 804152 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to produce [D and [C for me in zsh, and do some kind of cursor movement in bash. < 1354281941 249703 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354281942 208156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt in general, including keys in irssi, have worked out of the box for me pretty much always. Though in bash alt-arrows seem to insert [D and [C for me. < 1354281952 456256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they should do there. < 1354281969 319284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.freenode.net/certfp/certfp-irssi.shtml guys what is this about < 1354281980 47315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a totally different thing to the things i have been setting up < 1354281982 207074 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354281987 279937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... setting yourself up a certificate so freenode can verify you??? what is this < 1354281998 398491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the sasl stuff < 1354282004 250296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to be a client certificate. < 1354282007 8441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i have a script handle for me < 1354282010 390805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know they even did client certificates. < 1354282010 624531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what is that < 1354282016 761959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a point??? < 1354282024 210354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks sort of like you can get passwordless logins by doing this < 1354282032 180288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no idea how it differs from sasl in terms of goodness or whatever < 1354282043 842870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's X.509, it's like X-X-Xcellent. < 1354282075 562695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CertFP allows clients connected via SSL with a client SSL certificate to authenticate to services using the SHA1 fingerprint of their client SSL certificate. One must have registered with services." < 1354282082 372947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is some kind of a new dealie. < 1354282113 6549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems possibly fancier than sasl?? < 1354282135 693807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems vaguely sensible in the sense that if you're doing SSL already, it's sort of in the same rigamarole. < 1354282150 13429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've managed to not screw up the cloak thing when authenticating over that thing, though. < 1354282169 396371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the usual nickserv-pass-in-PASS thing they did screw up. < 1354282173 56406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloaks work for me with SASL if that helps? < 1354282180 118563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used NickServ pass in server password for forever. < 1354282184 665518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cloak's always worked. < 1354282224 701832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SASL is I think the only guaranteed thing. < 1354282247 638026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With server-pass it sometimes doesn't manage to enable the cloak before joining, if services are being laggy. < 1354282262 25284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear SASL is sometimes non-guaranteed i.e. times out or something. < 1354282279 708404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might happen. But when it works, it always happens before anything else can happen. < 1354282327 641308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you want to verify the Freenode server SSL certificate against a certificate authority (CA), then you’ll need to download the CA certificate from the authority that signed the server certificate. In this case, its Gandi.net, and their CA certificate file can be found here: http://crt.gandi.net/GandiStandardSSLCA.crt. However, using the file in its native DER format for Irssi wasn’t working for me. So, using openssl, I converted the bina < 1354282334 730925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : be found here: http://crt.gandi.net/GandiStandardSSLCA.crt. However, < 1354282337 195219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : using the file in its native DER format for Irssi wasn’t working for me. So, using openssl, I converted the binary < 1354282340 162038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : DER data file to PEM format, at which the Freenode certificate would properly verify: < 1354282343 196484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I just don't trust technology, you know? < 1354282344 552676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TODO: Get that wrapping thing being a thing.) < 1354282436 516070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, bip can do client SSL certificates, maybe I should also set up that Freenode thing. < 1354282440 293154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though later. < 1354282449 910968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this. < 1354282452 299139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1354282461 751392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354282470 819314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. < 1354282471 17899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is the difference between "local minimum found" and "local minimum possible" from MATLAB fminunc. < 1354282478 386914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that, like, work? < 1354282532 142727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are at least identd'd. < 1354282539 238631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I set ssl_verify, so I assume that's... working. < 1354282571 743569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha but. < 1354282575 723411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:34:21 -!- hostname : li278-81.members.linode.com 178.79.159.81 < 1354282578 654039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very IPv6. < 1354282586 287230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there a way to tell whether I'm using an IPv6 connection?) < 1354282598 76063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:34:15 -!- Your host is morgan.freenode.net[64.32.24.176/6697], running version ircd-seven-1.1.3 < 1354282607 596949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very six. < 1354282608 382506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that isn't terribly reassuring. < 1354282624 103345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no SSL IPv6 service or something? < 1354282637 117335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you using a server in the USA? < 1354282638 945576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like it'd make sense. < 1354282651 69925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm just using irc.freenode.net, man. < 1354282654 353893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, what doesn't? < 1354282669 13799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did you know: a whole two (2) people have edited the Esolang wiki anonymously using an IPv6 address. < 1354282677 284117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having SSL for the IPv6. < 1354282682 515854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, and I question the sensibility of that. < 1354282700 653419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, what would you rather I do? List a bunch of servers manually and keep that up to date? < 1354282707 233829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using chat.eu.freenode.net; it's a compromise. < 1354282718 647870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This server is in London anyway, that's basically the US. < 1354282740 38049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm also using chat.eu.freenode.net, possibly with one manually listed server before that. < 1354282757 206449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know someone could get the nick ehird right now if they wanted to < 1354282759 203016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shame they don’t allow auto-identification using client-side SSL certificates, like OFTC does." "@bloogle Yeah, but the SASL auth is every bit as good, if not better if using DH-BLOWFISH" < 1354282761 873381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I also have lindbohm manually before it, but it's all cyclic so it's not really "prioritized". < 1354282763 195873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, future-predictors. < 1354282779 530100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NXbZ -- see which continent is more like future. < 1354282781 171401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't expect anyone except maybe shachaf t otry that. < 1354282796 149613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I try that? < 1354282817 500631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you just looked up the last time ehird was logged into, so you must have some interest in the name. < 1354282829 731622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 'ardly! < 1354282833 394803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, is there an equivalent of Bazaar for a Setter? < 1354282841 787279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo a b t = (a -> b) -> t < 1354282872 807261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that Setter s t a b = s -> Foo a b t, of course. < 1354282944 827137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there's a rajaniemi.freenode.net that's in some "TKK Comnet/FUNET" block, in Finland. < 1354282946 212987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you just wrote it? < 1354282948 372174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's news. < 1354282993 916349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you can't change just the server field of an irssi server. :( < 1354282999 356840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there a name for it? Does it have interesting features? < 1354283013 327987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's a monad. < 1354283041 655278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet so too, since it'd identify the server to change by the host:port pair. < 1354283072 191585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1354283075 510140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set ssl_verify without ssl_cert. < 1354283078 722947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that do anything? < 1354283101 704561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As in (r ->)? < 1354283132 824660 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It sounds like it'll then try to verify the server's certificate against who-knows-what certificates. Ideally the ones in /usr/share. < 1354283219 339448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I set ssl_capath to /etc/ssl/certs. < 1354283220 513700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that helps. < 1354283231 531315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is that, like, the right thing? < 1354283275 356992 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1354283277 840027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the standard set of trusted certs, at least. < 1354283322 98957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/server add -6 -ssl -ssl_verify -ssl_capath /etc/ssl/certs -auto -network freenode chat.eu.freenode.net 6697 < 1354283325 57061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a mouthful. < 1354283340 738073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that. < 1354283342 756645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1354283350 940379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354283358 301385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1354283363 290212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is still not IPv6. < 1354283383 345694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what on earth is wrong. < 1354283458 827582 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354283483 911392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Quit: jumpin' jumpin' < 1354283543 666921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add ithkuil to the joke Deewiant linked < 1354283568 512625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think instead Deewiant should help me get IPv6 working. < 1354283579 190564 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about IPv6. < 1354283622 450247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! But you're Finnish. < 1354283649 780332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have IPv6 connectivity on any machine I own. I could set it up in my LAN but I haven't bothered. < 1354283657 395989 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have it at work either. < 1354283702 121817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IPv6 is the devil. < 1354283723 357028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having fewer IP addresses than humans, we keep the resource valuable. < 1354283738 879071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ipv4 addresses: earth's greatest export?" < 1354283803 934077 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354283806 788411 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about THE INTERNET OF THINGS? < 1354283834 333189 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is this stupid delay in reconnecting, I have the stupidest bouncer, it's stupid. < 1354283862 760242 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm MISSING MESSAGES here. Not that it's about that. < 1354283936 443594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1354283960 175435 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354283966 948420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so you get to help me instead!! < 1354283973 198970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wit: WHY ISN'T IT WORKING FIX IT. < 1354283975 145097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Shocking news: it was myself who was the stupid.) < 1354284028 96788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it is not working, but why don't you just "nc -6 chat.eu.freenode.net 6667" to see if that goes anywhere? < 1354284041 851938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have a CLIENT CERTIFICATE now. < 1354284051 863834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also using a SECURE CONNECTION. < 1354284079 159162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are also using a Lithuanian server instead of rajaniemi. < 1354284135 135927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I use chat.eu.freenode.net and you still complain? < 1354284166 579319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:49:04 -!- - Welcome to barjavel.freenode.net in Paris, FR, EU. < 1354284173 442933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think that's Lithuania, Deewiant. < 1354284180 153674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about me, I think. < 1354284184 323573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are not fizzie. < 1354284203 227605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I put {rajaniemi, lindbohm, chat.eu} to the list, and apparently the cycling thing was at chat.eu at the time when I fixed the stupid bit. < 1354284212 246707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354284292 725405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK but I actually am fizzie. < 1354284314 639218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, am I elliott then? I... I'm not sure I want to. It sounds difficult. < 1354284320 736928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is fizzie? < 1354284329 6308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR is PEACE. < 1354284331 362973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think elliott isn't telling the truth. < 1354284341 668666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is this client certificate stuff easy to set up? < 1354284342 43198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Finland ≠ Hexham, right? < 1354284347 345963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll do it næxt. < 1354284357 709512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc: invalid option -- '6' < 1354284360 38534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A good start. < 1354284372 41350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders which of 70 flavours of netcat this is. < 1354284400 355235 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNU, methinks. < 1354284415 53828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was reasonably easy for bip, I don't know about irssi. Probably it's just one setting, since Freenode doesn't actually verify the client certificate, it just uses the fingerprint from it. < 1354284435 652792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ithinks because recently openbsd-netcat started conflicting with GNU netcat in Arch and I went with GNU and it says the same thing. < 1354284453 701659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, *I*thinks no GNU software would say "nc -h for help". < 1354284459 521261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"telnet -6", then. < 1354284462 948375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not even accept --help. < 1354284472 839487 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you didn't say that bit. < 1354284499 580635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Re the client setting: I was thinking more of the making a certificate part. < 1354284501 299442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one I tried with was the netcat-openbsd of Ubuntu something-at-work, and it has a -6.) < 1354284513 78093 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1354284519 27126 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello im friends < 1354284530 106127 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imelliott-- < 1354284539 53094 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant im sad < 1354284543 224676 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please dont < 1354284554 182211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mellow elliott. < 1354284566 409676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a concept. < 1354284572 92990 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconceivable! < 1354284579 858095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So um this thing works fine, I am tempted to: blame the whole SSL thing? < 1354284610 322331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off SSL and see if it works in irssi? < 1354284713 598167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a v6'd SSL connection just fine, though. But maybe it's worth a try. < 1354284716 999062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But... < 1354284722 322704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What if people spied on me? < 1354284733 551032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're only here, you're publically logged anyway. < 1354284751 743156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH. < 1354284757 660515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, "publically". < 1354284770 240781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also try /connect -6 or something. Though the -6 setting *should* end up in there for listed servers too, I think. < 1354284785 337978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't be elsewhere while you're testing. < 1354284794 17212 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354284844 571725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Incidentally, since you found out about Lithuania... does that client certificate fingerprint also show up in /whois to others? < 1354284877 628855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, only that and "is using a secure connection" apart from the usual. < 1354284945 428427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. Makes sense. < 1354284960 293884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it also a comonad? < 1354284965 954762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When a ~ b, that is. < 1354285034 260439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is once again blizzard time. --> < 1354285050 489514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like bullet time, except you dodge snowflakes. < 1354285562 571682 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354285646 939452 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 PART :#esoteric < 1354285676 604106 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354286172 774948 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354286404 256257 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354286779 70988 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354287177 842829 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354287515 663446 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354287537 751001 :yhoje!~canaima@186.188.31.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354287637 791185 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354287925 207125 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Girl Genius < 1354287925 364728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354287978 886478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan it was something about Plated letting us traverse self-similar descendants < 1354287979 437394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354288057 551861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Did you hear: upon was renamed to onceUpon, and uponTheDeep was renamed to upon? < 1354288150 46031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not! < 1354288164 802381 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it somewhat harder to use lens to sing Adele songs in Haskell! < 1354288319 148351 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although slightly easier to recite Grimms' Fairy Tails < 1354288366 712174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairy tails are tastier than gator tails < 1354288647 277417 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust you on that, having never tasted either < 1354288980 992217 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354289139 504807 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354290211 102209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354290222 182057 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't escape ' in my terminal any longer < 1354290233 272275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance echo '\' prints a backslash < 1354290271 91810 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do that, I think < 1354290284 83896 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try echo "\"" < 1354290325 311026 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the " quotes usually cause a lot of problems < 1354290341 402987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance if the string I want can be interpreted as bash commands or something < 1354290351 588864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354290594 421535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354291282 401553 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354291553 708867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK so seriously, are you ever going to start that fort. < 1354291564 943996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you aren't then just say so. < 1354291628 984253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Blizzard time indeed; I just waited 35 minutes on the Konemies bus stop, from 17:25 to 18:00, because the 17:35 510 failed to apparate at all. (Unless it's this one and really late.) < 1354291704 497091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I tend to use 'blabla'\''bleble' if I want the string blabla'bleble as an argument. < 1354291718 682495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1354291720 673018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tomorrow < 1354291720 916613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: promise < 1354291729 761122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the '\'' sequence looks quite crummy, but it works. < 1354291732 646794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you promised yesterday < 1354291735 215209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several times < 1354291765 291686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've been busy ok < 1354291787 842316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey can you @tell elliott get ipv6/client certificates working < 1354291815 673933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ellitt get ipv6/client certificated workdjsjud < 1354291816 27505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354291816 620873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmmmmmm ok thanks < 1354291820 592244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1354291821 753936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird though < 1354291857 157806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :( < 1354291858 322640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon < 1354291863 170978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't let you self-@tell!! < 1354291865 688925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frozen fingers. < 1354291873 276857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey my battery outruns. < 1354291886 171686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't you /nick and self-tell < 1354291888 155820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott hhhey get ipv6/client certificated workdjsjud < 1354291888 389925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354291896 14601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit it now. < 1354291930 181346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's about as good as my typing, so it's good enough < 1354291930 768615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354291936 34044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of power oh no -> < 1354291937 71233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ye but that is like spammy & inelegant & stuf < 1354291991 68587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the method you used, but whatev < 1354291996 236348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty ?spammy & ?inelegant & ?stuf < 1354291997 489082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?spammy::a1, ?inelegant::a1 -> a, ?stuf::a -> b) => b < 1354292128 339944 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354292685 128545 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354293270 497110 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354293276 588112 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354294280 948860 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354294378 741387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only had to wait 10 minutes, missing one 103 and the second coming late; fortunately these 10[23] buses apparate quite frequently around that time of day. < 1354294463 262635 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354294932 972898 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1354295003 414266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :510 is not the most reliable bus line ever. < 1354295071 686078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "missing one" I mean that one didn't come at all, or then it was at least 3 minutes early which I think is exceedingly unlikely in this weather. < 1354295095 251551 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there was a bit of unreliability all around. < 1354295242 603060 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354295279 734905 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354295280 920967 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354295280 921128 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354295797 267844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354295921 884954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT : < 1354297620 39268 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354297749 673353 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1354297892 510431 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354297905 834168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354298088 467548 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354298106 165418 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354298106 801113 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354298127 258151 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354298127 331091 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354298316 677088 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354298894 240478 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354298901 847209 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354299036 725748 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354299409 963186 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354299473 512791 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354299509 736177 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354299818 13408 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354299823 174714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atehwa < 1354300077 33462 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354300095 162272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye atehwa. < 1354300150 561476 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354300190 800721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1354300194 409412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi epicmonkey < 1354300602 192625 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! < 1354300603 937171 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1354300618 928721 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: aoiufhewpiufhaeeiufhweiupf < 1354300711 739958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | An slow, iterated SHA512 hash function to make dictionary attacks more < 1354300711 972711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- difficult. < 1354300712 47465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaultHash :: HashFunc < 1354300712 47666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaultHash a = (iterate hash a) !! 512 < 1354300760 935263 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354300772 643794 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1354300775 371006 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354300802 297404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An slow. < 1354300826 738998 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354300905 955391 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354301077 792759 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354301201 206137 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winslow. < 1354301442 549130 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354301448 746187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it look like (iterate hash a) !! n = SHA-n < 1354301462 631765 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354301462 704937 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354301524 755446 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354301621 598765 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354301628 436144 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354301784 566557 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354301784 566726 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354301785 955787 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354301819 516785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how shachaf also posted the exact same four lines in #haskell-blah < 1354301841 213717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What's wrong with that? < 1354301927 834075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing because it resulted in slightly different conversations, only one of which contained what I thought I replied with < 1354301935 451721 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354301949 320429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, duplication annoys me < 1354301986 226893 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t really see a problem with IRC crossposting when both recipients are likely to find the message interesting. < 1354302009 221089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not my fault that you subscribe to both channels. Most inhabitants of one channel don't subscribe to the other. < 1354302054 562533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like several people who are in both channels < 1354302084 800929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on both channels and i didn’t get annoyed by that at all. < 1354302114 559558 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354302114 632830 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354302114 632970 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354302200 518607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resists the temptation to cross-post to every channel ion is in. < 1354302254 588611 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Android is upgrading… optimizing app of 118” < 1354302279 790202 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you bet that “optimizing” in this context involves absolutely nothing that anyone would reasonably consider “optimizing” < 1354302342 278683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, there is something optimization-like (or perhaps just code generation) it does to the bytecode that gets cached < 1354302345 760386 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No buffer space available < 1354302516 566569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What function is hash? < 1354302531 414511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe hash itself is SHA512 < 1354302542 250187 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just happens to get ran 512 times too < 1354302605 782578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what code is that from? < 1354302655 757514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap-auth < 1354302676 807318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hash is SHA512, yes. < 1354302730 485194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably use PBKDF2 instead < 1354302738 788678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how much it matters though < 1354302876 585957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should probably be using a number bigger than 512. < 1354303083 804521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354303137 437629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't use anything else than 512 iterations with SHA-512. It would be unseemly. < 1354303181 161873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that too < 1354303240 391923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Django 1.4 defaults to 10,000 iterations of SHA256 < 1354303262 286612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iterations? < 1354303272 302869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also don't use PBKDF2 or anything like that? < 1354303291 141718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean PBKDF2 with 10,000 iterations < 1354303304 495591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1354303337 608961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 also seems low. < 1354303353 289930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, actually, I have no idea how fast or slow PBKDF2 iterations are. < 1354303491 888866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is kind of low < 1354303596 848568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :django's implementation takes 75 ms on my AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1075T Processor < 1354303608 624075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is claimed to be "four times slower than openssl's implementation" < 1354303759 280362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's increased in the soon to be released Django 1.5 < 1354303885 544368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm bcrypt is explicitly designed to foil GPU-based attacks < 1354303908 550574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and small ASICs, but not FPGAs with lots of RAM < 1354303909 902345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/4781/do-any-security-experts-recommend-bcrypt-for-password-storage < 1354303988 14046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i should do 100,000 iterations of SHA512 and then bcrypt that < 1354303991 960629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's defense in depth right < 1354304006 416701 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maginot line of encryption < 1354304017 615129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354304033 173427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :information security has a lot of maginot line situations < 1354304056 522444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people work really hard to secure one area and then get owned by something trivial and completely different < 1354304522 200589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's running a device-specific optimizer pass on the bytecode, actually. < 1354304567 201589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Swapping endianness, some constant propagation, etc. < 1354304573 970254 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354305328 317944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1354305377 517736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the symmetric variants I made which is related to some of asymmetric chess variants? < 1354305382 433472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where should I find burritos in San Francisco? < 1354305415 954713 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Literally anywhere. < 1354305445 300068 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk outside and look for a Mexican restaurant that isn't a chain. Probability is very high that you will find one within two blocks that will be good. < 1354305445 397892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354305455 105042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1354305499 185644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman list reminder day, everyone! < 1354305499 500295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354305504 115630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354305504 339426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 4h 52m 5s ago: it was something about Plated letting us traverse self-similar descendants < 1354305572 170952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true for all of SF < 1354305582 429458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:31:30: "poëtic" < 1354305582 502953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:31:45: that is the most pretentious use of diæresis i have seen < 1354305582 503120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see a taqueria density heatmap < 1354305612 703776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg poëtic < 1354305649 72423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :taquría, kmc < 1354305662 829881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall poëta being used as an example of something needing a diæresis in latin < 1354305672 133199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen http://www.jwz.org/images/5112789301_da50dca4bd_b.jpg < 1354305679 875300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354305709 851072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1354305812 382669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : mathematical characters like ☭ <-- don't you know that dialectic materialism is _better_ than mathematics, duh < 1354305862 379103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dielectric materialism is somewhere in between < 1354305886 633468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1354305915 107170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is the joke that tenderloin is the most crime-ridden district in san francisco, or something? < 1354305921 444212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the jokes < 1354305940 152362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get them all < 1354305950 31044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mission is a hipster fixie < 1354305959 45914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noe valley is full of kids i guess < 1354305977 143480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haight? < 1354305978 269453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :castro is full of gay men who work out all the time < 1354305982 933080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haight is weird < 1354306006 861590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think going down those hills on a unicycle would be terrifying < 1354306012 350503 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of fixed-gear bikes, by the way < 1354306025 174216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being cool and different < 1354306036 604364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FiDi is a folding bike for people who commute by train < 1354306074 861446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, having only a single gear gives you a simpler and more reliable bicycle < 1354306088 417371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacking freewheeling seems less useful < 1354306152 38072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have a bike, shouldn't they just commute by bike? < 1354306178 721005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 30 miles from palo alto < 1354306181 501883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though people do it < 1354306192 314679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sf2g.com/ < 1354306290 643534 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354306308 124941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that is the opposite direction < 1354306315 359582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who live in SF and bike to google every day < 1354306328 421098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream < 1354306336 871716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought google was already in SF? < 1354306339 428315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858) colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream < 1354306356 397200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main google office is in Mountain View < 1354306376 631662 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354306377 366516 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354306377 919921 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354306378 233574 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354306379 17205 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354306380 98999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the "San Francisco Bay Area" but about 40 miles from downtown SF < 1354306389 21168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :758) haters gonna make som valid points < 1354306390 74380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely different as far as what it's like to live there < 1354306394 793204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, this is america, they don't like putting things next to other things < 1354306406 154075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well SF itself is a proper dense city < 1354306418 11396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like every city (in Europe as well) it has sprawling suburbs around it < 1354306427 259069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365) [on petrol] oklofok: it's actually poisonous, so I advise against drinking it ais523, also contains benzene, my carcinogen of choice. < 1354306430 794040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :227) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1354306432 710957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :851) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1354306432 870867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :297) anyway I've stopped ``trolling'' since apparently you guys don't like me claiming obviously false and absurd claims < 1354306484 458347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proper dense city part of SF is approximately a square 10 km on a side < 1354306656 253716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently there are people who prefer their bikes not to have brakes < 1354306728 846932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so these chips are "fine cheese" flavored < 1354306870 379526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accomplishment of today: googled out why the VLC logo is a traffic cone. < 1354306878 735304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day, people from the VIA association (VIA is a students' network association with many clubs ... amongst those is VideoLAN. More info here : http://www.via.ecp.fr ) came back drunk with a cone. They then began a cone collection (which is now quite impressive i must say). Some time later, the VideoLAN project began and they decided to use the cone as their logo." < 1354306886 343859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a meaningful story. < 1354306949 262394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I collected a cone once ... they're bigger and heavier than you think and end up being not quite as fun as you expect < 1354307003 175837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can write GCC plugins in Python now O_O http://gcc-python-plugin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ < 1354307144 429768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean you do not have to recompile GCC if you want it to do something else? < 1354307354 688477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ You realize ? must have the property a ? (a+k) = a+(k+1) for all natural numbers k? (also you have to decide whether it should work left or right associatively, like tetration.) < 1354307355 8568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354307386 430117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is already the case, gcc can load plugins from .so's < 1354307425 185215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ (tetration from exponentiation) < 1354307425 610911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354307536 824504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ Sorry, k >= 2. < 1354307541 435969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354307558 287390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "now what" < 1354307568 333086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot -----### < 1354307575 808276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354307577 448031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "now what" < 1354307583 969601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1354307605 843302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also swats Sgeo__ for having so many underlines he's worried he'll not see the message. < 1354307613 270017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* + -----### < 1354307858 587940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354307870 170295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for other reasons. < 1354307891 833530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats everyone else for not mocking his swatting. -----### < 1354308120 67733 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354308145 203256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatting the void < 1354308149 70418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354308233 50849 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354308274 824614 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354308364 919264 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354308522 206000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oklofok seems to have pretty much solved the problem. < 1354308559 928453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what always happens. < 1354308579 851880 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354308613 899491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES FOILED AGAIN < 1354308675 970810 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354308750 912239 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, wrote (a+b)(c+d) in a different form not requiring parentheses againn < 1354308750 990199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1354308799 327201 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go back to repeatedly hitting snooze < 1354308974 837356 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ac+ad+bc+bd? < 1354309135 467501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac-dc < 1354309162 454506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC⚡DC < 1354309347 283867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Expr + doctest = the future < 1354309372 711086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 f [a, b, c] :: [Expr] < 1354309373 964388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [a,f a b,f (f a b) c] < 1354309409 797029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1354309456 521496 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354309481 757666 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1354309785 340773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Phantom Hoovers are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354310978 613991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * sqrt (16 ^ 7) < 1354310980 133161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19660.8 < 1354311008 881175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of 7-character git hashes you need to get a 50% chance of collision. < 1354311014 247202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * 16386 < 1354311014 429242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More or less.) < 1354311016 244261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19663.2 < 1354311033 311419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16386? < 1354311044 269112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1354311061 184896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have forgotten some of his powers of 2 < 1354311068 515039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * 16384 < 1354311070 141369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19660.8 < 1354311074 713339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that be better < 1354311256 419879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&) < 1354311257 590063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1354311267 58182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1354311284 536647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&) < 1354311286 90427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Lens.Getter.&' [infixl 1] of a section < 1354311286 163990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have... < 1354311857 98800 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354312272 915932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354312282 979533 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354312573 643355 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354312627 135125 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354312860 957981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator Control.Lens.Getter.& is a must-have. < 1354313205 489521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&&) < 1354313206 771762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Classes.&&' [infixr 3] of a section < 1354313206 849654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower ... < 1354313210 27933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&&&) < 1354313211 372325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Arrow.&&&' [infixr 3] of a section < 1354313211 445006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have low... < 1354313567 309564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> False&(True&(&&)&&&(&&)&uncurry(&&&)) < 1354313568 860453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (False,False) < 1354313618 159062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all must-haves, I see. < 1354313622 191684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1354313662 856057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1354313775 160838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see any way of chaining them in order. < 1354313794 762734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a & ?b && ?c &&& ?d) < 1354313796 2308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' with actual type `Bool' < 1354313796 75250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `(&)', namely `?b && ?c &&& ?d' < 1354313796 75454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: (?a & ?b && ?c &&& ?d) < 1354313806 159457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a &&& ?b && ?c & ?d) < 1354313807 264109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 b0 c'0' with actual type `Bool' < 1354313807 337730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `(&&&)', namely `?b && ?c' < 1354313807 337898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `(&)', namely `?a &&& ?b && ?c' < 1354313893 683762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a & ?b (&& ?c &&& ?d)) < 1354313894 842717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Bool' < 1354313894 921128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `a0 b0 (c0, c'0)' < 1354313894 994093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `(&&)', namely `?c &&& ?d' < 1354314012 936848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?a & ?b &&) ?c &&& ?d)) < 1354314014 176223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `)' < 1354314015 577978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?a & ?b &&) ?c &&& ?d) < 1354314016 860656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `&&' [infixr 3] of a section < 1354314016 934099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1354314016 934264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely `&' [infixl 1] < 1354314167 506225 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover Fiora monqy < 1354314537 164930 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354314537 275422 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354314537 275553 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354314669 903125 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354315309 81792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the program to play MOD/S3M/IT/XM samples/instruments in Csound? < 1354315753 441251 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1354316046 424357 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1354316397 649514 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1354316400 455212 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354316416 660866 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354316556 882122 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354316573 3552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354316622 324706 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354316640 619979 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354316648 886359 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354316874 660292 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354317008 36077 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354318018 524572 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354318175 385713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354318419 336728 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike