Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355452553 164845 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :868) Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355452569 799867 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is either a grumpy old man or a 20-year-old < 1355452577 831889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 868 < 1355452591 23019 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he's just been spending too long using web browsers < 1355452595 291076 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf do you know what IMO stands for < 1355452620 155373 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Market Object < 1355452627 801571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I don't think he's 20 yet, but argumably he's a grumpy old man either < 1355452633 756597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argumably < 1355452645 740181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a wordsmitharttist < 1355452650 442484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I actually caught both typos in that sentence but decided they were too good to remove < 1355452653 852222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the first < 1355452680 521258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw it wasn't Graue's fault < 1355452683 606445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some dumb host thing < 1355452688 275039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1355452692 587760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was Graue's webhost < 1355452695 771347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than Graue himself < 1355452701 822126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a graue and am i likely to be eaten by it < 1355452702 973440 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you use IceChat? < 1355452704 683360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why me ruling everything is better < 1355452707 275874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i... no < 1355452722 5060 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm you are disproving my conjecture < 1355452725 427754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: he runs esoteric.voxelperfect.net < 1355452729 567495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which still exists < 1355452732 869229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also used to host the wiki < 1355452746 793886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Alan Dipert added esolangs.org as a redirect to it < 1355452752 971771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now elliott owns both esolangs.org and the wiki < 1355452767 686804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm chorizo fried rice < 1355452823 167259 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want working Factor I'm going to need to compile it myself aren't I < 1355452867 573223 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are you doing sgeo, it's just a download < 1355452908 777444 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, using a version of Linux with a too old something or other for the binary < 1355452935 858515 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./factor: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by ./factor) < 1355452964 166604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's "THE ALAN DIPERT", btw < 1355452972 63889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't own esolangs.org < 1355452982 43262 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355452987 510411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in allcaps? < 1355452989 501769 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, related to Factor but unrelated to my issues: Bike: It just occurred to me today that you could put quotations in the values for throw-restart and then call after that < 1355452999 914325 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355453003 552456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's funier if you just add the pronoun < 1355453004 597325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Factor the new Clojure, sgeo? < 1355453008 856852 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, maybe < 1355453022 116612 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the lack of a community scares me < 1355453024 271225 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inconvenient < 1355453035 375015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how long will it be before there's a programming language equivalent of "black is the new black"? < 1355453048 945141 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is the new c++, I think i've heard before < 1355453054 616537 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the relative lack of libraries scares me < 1355453058 272167 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355453062 550459 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does come with plenty of cool stuff < 1355453097 466500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have to be able to put the same name on both sides < 1355453104 995159 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, a language with a lack of community? < 1355453111 486815 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is the new perl? i dunno < 1355453112 830147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do this, "X is the new Y" has to become a meme, with variable X and fixed Y < 1355453115 137211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is the new shit < 1355453117 327065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa, but that's less likely < 1355453122 314804 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediatly starts using it.
< 1355453140 223633 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't force a snowclone. < 1355453141 867736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: lots of esolangs have no community, unless you count this one < 1355453148 939941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have no community even if you count this one < 1355453152 434577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language for misanthropes you say! sign me up!!! < 1355453157 416420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The thing that's going to be fixed here is new, not Y. < 1355453159 860019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't find anyone in here willing to program in ESME, for instance < 1355453159 937923 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, there's a Factor community, but it's ... small < 1355453161 522375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GET IT????????) < 1355453171 505525 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google esolang esme < 1355453173 100589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: gah, now I'm trying to calculate fix new in my head < 1355453173 595340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1355453173 751798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Esme - Esolang < 1355453175 808445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but new has the wrong type < 1355453178 190114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed < 1355453187 280140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Esme, sorry, not ESME < 1355453191 212715 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice logo < 1355453202 170747 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliott: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=t*5%26(t%3E%3E7)%7Ct*3%26(t*2%3E%3E10)&oneliner2=&t0=0&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1355453204 44577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category:Shameful < 1355453209 269265 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke? < 1355453218 865079 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, a "lol" < 1355453222 769577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: read the talk page too, if you like < 1355453226 685669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're… not entirely sure < 1355453229 478207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lulz epic fail < 1355453234 506491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most charitable explanation is, we think it's performance art < 1355453235 827982 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorta canon < 1355453236 239892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION jumps off nearest bridge
< 1355453240 584044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: nice < 1355453247 962115 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first saw it, I was expecting it to be "esme, Mario!" < 1355453256 113999 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :user:zzo38, you are the wind beneath my wings < 1355453260 868814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck < 1355453262 329863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits in quite well as performance art < 1355453262 487141 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that would be Eseme. < 1355453271 997374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is oklopol's best language imo < 1355453275 802045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it doesn't fit in well as anything else < 1355453278 870220 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: beautiful < 1355453294 178508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think I started the conversation that lead to that being invented < 1355453335 378036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to create a language as unlike brainfuck as possible < 1355453364 688653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i kind of figured it was meant to evoke an incredibly complicated way of arriving at a sequence of instructions drawn from 8 possibilities < 1355453375 183879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1355453382 903857 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with kmc < 1355453393 322601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it a BF derivative would defeat the entire point < 1355453406 959196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are there any web frameworks yet for Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1355453425 145477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download on Rails < 1355453430 534924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point was satire by making the "brainfuck in a weird encoding" thing seem ridiculous. < 1355453438 669910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is good at naming languages creatively < 1355453448 47725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is a master of playing it straight < 1355453448 464477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you sure < 1355453464 79202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1355453467 461132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I named a language the sound that's written in IPA as /ˈæmbiːɛf/ in homage to the way he names things < 1355453476 192493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't encourage trolls. < 1355453483 688085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're keb. < 1355453499 955341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know what TikZ stands for? < 1355453511 507012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also Y fixes its argument, it's not like you can give it to things as an argument and it fixes them < 1355453513 157359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not off-hand -- should I? < 1355453515 371620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TikZ ist kein Zeichenprogramm" < 1355453551 909704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember keb solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453552 65868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1355453558 287199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing this is #esoteric and not #haskell. < 1355453599 541695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@photontorpedo < 1355453600 169903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll? < 1355453626 890062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget keb solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453627 499306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453628 127424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what because in #haskell now 20 people would be trying to explain in good natured but entirely useless ways that functions are not automatically called 4.41 times per second? < 1355453635 837479 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355453647 519863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1355453659 375344 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453665 630071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see this backfired on shachaf < 1355453686 306656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, keb fits right in here. < 1355453687 585004 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355453699 340393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did that work? < 1355453706 271899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I went back in time. < 1355453721 603016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "X is the new X" means that X is the fixed point of new < 1355453723 347187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting someone in lambdabot doesn't normally cause them to join a channel < 1355453728 352522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a fixed point. < 1355453728 509000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by the way, if you don't know what the "deployment" in the welcome message is for, you should stop removing it < 1355453728 847371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aha, I see < 1355453729 528002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = New X < 1355453735 842034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/implementation/implementation/' wisdom/welcome < 1355453737 104107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355453752 920530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want me to stop removing it, you should tell me what it's for. < 1355453754 442763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a no-op, isn't it? < 1355453763 693095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is < 1355453769 155663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/implementation/deployment/' wisdom/welcome < 1355453771 368437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there malicious Unicode in there somewhere? < 1355453772 2029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355453777 431962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think there are easier ways to get you to stop removing it < 1355453793 507930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I've deployed at least two esolangs now < 1355453801 27493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What does the "deployment" mean in `welcome? < 1355453803 702461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm probably beating the rest of you < 1355453806 934661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it means "deployment" < 1355453810 976716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect it to mean? < 1355453812 616043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, what's it for? < 1355453822 865594 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355453859 920451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you ever deployed an esolang? < 1355453876 90996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you need more welcoming < 1355453878 452152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you just re-removed it in private yet again. please stop misusing HackEgo. < 1355453880 185480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn deployment < 1355453881 138695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "deployment" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1355453881 311189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deployment < 1355453881 384178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the distribution of forces in preparation for battle or < 1355453881 384342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : work < 1355453881 921991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355453882 815580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a waste of time < 1355453884 73801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453886 960576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355453889 370751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453898 819528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Agreed. < 1355453905 90338 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :change it to "implementation, debate, and deployment" < 1355453929 280729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see [[Pahana]], copyvio? non-esoteric? < 1355453937 53723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd heard of it before the article was written < 1355453960 195827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why are you edit warring with elliott? < 1355453994 14489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why is elliott edit warring with me? < 1355454000 229255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's changing it back < 1355454007 727845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the version it's been for ages < 1355454024 120194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when changing something central like `welcome, it helps to have a good reason for the change < 1355454032 50692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when most other people seem to disagree with you < 1355454035 549238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the " and deployment" for? < 1355454039 715764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't rearrange Wikipeia's main page on a whim < 1355454041 461060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell only elliott disagrees with me. < 1355454044 569651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a reason to assume an action I take with HackEgo is not in bad faith, which doesn't apply for you, since all you do with it is interrupt conversations with passive-aggressive `quotespam and delete stuff < 1355454048 487888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I also disagree with you < 1355454048 988690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1355454058 779060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can we ban shachaf from HackEgo yet? < 1355454065 394650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve. < 1355454090 298344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't see why you feel the need to take actions that you think will result in you being kicked/banned from IRC channels/bots/etc. < 1355454097 4532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what cheater does? < 1355454110 855330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be kicked from this channel? < 1355454114 170298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I take a similar view of that as I do to people who like getting thrown out of games for breaking the rules < 1355454118 389283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in each case, you want them around < 1355454123 504032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454125 985286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...have you forgotten the hundred times you've demanded an op of this channel to kick you < 1355454130 511722 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-26.txt:21:30:48: ais523: You should kick me for flooding. < 1355454132 964891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454139 158132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-20.txt:05:42:55: oerjan: Kick me while you're at it! < 1355454140 684603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454147 161533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-14.txt:19:36:30: «shahcahef foiled myy jkoe :'( - eliot hird kick him - eliottt» - elliott < 1355454147 904014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I don't want to be kicked from this channel anymore. < 1355454163 657102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I did at the time, but there's a good reason to stay in it now. < 1355454166 779574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shähcähëf < 1355454179 633430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which is? < 1355454185 360655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with the bot, presumably < 1355454188 120736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sħäħcäħëf < 1355454193 105606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a lot of 'h'es in your name, dude < 1355454201 567098 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem very pronounceable. < 1355454212 211457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to pronounce ħ < 1355454240 946306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't pronounce שכהף either < 1355454247 678692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how my name is pronounced. < 1355454251 836591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's שחף. < 1355454253 74131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't pronounce ë < 1355454262 862128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355454265 983190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "k". < 1355454266 527964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, apart from the English pronunciation in words like Zoë < 1355454267 302865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has failed me once again < 1355454311 819754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that a normal e, just with a diaeresis to indicate that it's not a dipthong < 1355454315 28306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/welcome < 1355454316 195183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1355454317 226065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1355454326 5680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355454327 787667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355454331 439289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/welcome < 1355454332 600601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and implementation! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355454335 590308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355454338 20337 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355454341 612250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/welcome < 1355454342 973445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355454346 225727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1355454354 822927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1355454355 57295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you appear to have misremembered most brainfuckest [etc.]'s origins < 1355454356 593069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ais523 \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ boily \ bonvenon \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finnish \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ freefull \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gaspacho \ gazpacho \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ < 1355454358 84042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:18: hey duddes how about this language i've been designing the last 4 months where you take brainfuck except well call it brainfuckER and you reverse all the characters, and you have to draw the program in paint? and then there's brainfuckiest where you just say beep boop in a microphone and it's interpreted as a fibonacci code word and then it's multiplied by 7 and then it's interpreted as a brainfuck program except that if you prin < 1355454365 721089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably got cut off but it doesn't matter < 1355454375 667689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ☃ < 1355454377 607955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☃ brrr... < 1355454381 610389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? � < 1355454383 197750 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355454392 589076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you only copied half the character < 1355454402 731335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1355454403 921676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1355454405 247546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | xz -9 | base64 < 1355454407 153207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz: (stdin): Cannot allocate memory < 1355454408 12666 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ȫ < 1355454409 971341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ȫ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355454420 987986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ő_ő < 1355454428 697528 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1355454444 85679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1355454445 510953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523. This topic may retroactively become more informative if or when Feather is invented. < 1355454451 872610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's a Feather joke < 1355454458 930580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like those didn't get old years ago < 1355454468 739048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+022B: LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON < 1355454469 864357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1355454471 813612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why why why < 1355454474 78550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GreyKnight is allowed to make them for another couple of months because he's new) < 1355454493 231808 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please inform me of feather. < 1355454494 7702 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: a day and i was telling her that that americans are not patient people we like fast cars and we're like oh if we've gotta save money hey wait a minute y- you know how < 1355454498 30739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: to stop your ō getting merged with a vowel before it, obviously < 1355454506 425402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1355454517 711820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i told some people that ASCII is not sufficient for English < 1355454530 575679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: punk < 1355454536 877303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc – it isn't… < 1355454574 660482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: it lacks the currency symbol of many english speaking countries < 1355454591 999524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: if scotland becomes independent then there will be another currency union in the EU besides the Euro < 1355454595 94488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny < 1355454599 772778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it doesn't have £ /or/ € < 1355454605 731495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355454612 167770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what did they say < 1355454613 126578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ¬ < 1355454623 228964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess they agreed with me < 1355454629 849517 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would their currency be called? < 1355454631 209430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so punk any more < 1355454633 259602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and / or decided to stay quite until the crazy person stopped talking < 1355454638 955893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: they would keep using the UK pound < 1355454642 527516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is thought < 1355454645 66709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO they should adopt the yen < 1355454651 549781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd use the Scottish pound < 1355454651 788415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how great a piece of trivia would that be < 1355454655 560338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you know Scotland uses the yen?" < 1355454656 583130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is already a strange arrangement where scottish pounds are printed by private scottish banks < 1355454662 632911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is IIRC freely interconvertible 1:1 to the UK pound < 1355454672 255000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are then obliged to hold in reserves of bank of england pounds < 1355454675 105315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355454676 639120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that many shops won't accept Scottish money because they're worried it'll be fake < 1355454685 811442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm worried that scotland is fake < 1355454691 14747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i've never been there < 1355454700 470536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's easier to forge or something < 1355454705 460925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not very far from Hexham < 1355454711 693736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all esolangers live < 1355454714 631336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should go there < 1355454716 858528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: enjoy your 0% inflation forever < 1355454723 540076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: this is not good < 1355454748 264451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're an inflation < 1355454758 670123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I have been to Scotland and I can confirm it is fake < 1355454760 113553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my economist friends tell me that the japanese central bank has basically been taken over by old people who want their retirement savings to be valuable, and fuck the young people, we'll be dead by then < 1355454806 859631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it actually easier to counterfeit or are the shops just dumb < 1355454824 74527 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's no Scotland, then where are people calling when they call Scotland Yard? < 1355454834 903051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suspect it's easier to counterfeit; but more to the point, the shops don't know what it looks like, so they couldn't detect even quite bad fakes < 1355454838 879663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1355454851 801388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that famous incident just after the euro was introduced < 1355454853 144277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the walmart that accepted a $1,000,000 bill with george w bush's face on it < 1355454862 174631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some people got a fortune using fake €300 notes < 1355454866 194146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355454866 841568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :score < 1355454870 66113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a nonexistent denomination) < 1355454897 526796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there was also that incident recently where someone tried to cash in a trillion dollars of fake US bonds < 1355454903 211628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got caught because they'd misspelt "dollar" < 1355454905 552299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1355454918 538985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if they would have been caught anyway or not < 1355454923 939339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing yes, but no makes for a funnier story < 1355454926 995432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some people caught somewhere in europe with like $10b worth of treasury notes in a suitcase < 1355454934 357989 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355454942 116573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real ones? or fake? < 1355454946 70517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty crazy either way < 1355454955 935887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly counterfeit but the conspiracy theory is that they were real and the US convinced Italy or whoever to destroy them quietly < 1355455004 262213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: india is also an english speaking country and their currency symbol isn't in ASCII either < 1355455012 568596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also like 3 years old and looks like star wars money < 1355455056 533648 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make notes that claim to be for negative amounts of money. < 1355455074 593268 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, print it with red ink. < 1355455090 291990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what does star wars money look like? < 1355455103 408041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: we've had fun adventures with negative quantities of money in NetHack < 1355455109 739820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're actually practically useful, for their negative weight < 1355455126 865107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?648 < 1355455140 724338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a fun thought experiment for anyone who likes absurd arithmetic) < 1355455178 262552 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much did those -2147483604 zorkmids weigh? Usually my character would be dead under the abs of that weight. < 1355455184 505194 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051201231848/starwars/images/1/13/CreditChip.jpg Star Wars Galactic Standard Credit Chip < 1355455187 912837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're nega-rich! < 1355455210 45687 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found suseorc's vault! < 1355455312 24136 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's like the question of whether antimatter is subject to antigravity. which is apparently a serious question. < 1355455413 115141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking gravity, how does it work? < 1355455417 911209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a negative amount < 1355455435 453049 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: given nethack i'd expect that to crush me into the dungeon ceiling, killing me < 1355455437 869822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite useful, you can carry basically unlimited amounts of stuff because the gold counterweighs it < 1355456057 740794 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 NICK :MDream < 1355456343 969831 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRPUv8V22o&feature=player_detailpage#t=313s < 1355456466 609751 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :kbbb < 1355456827 392419 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy has also an interesting channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKMrBaXJvMs&list=UURRqeqAXdCC8GgatzHO3VWA&index=1 < 1355457689 420893 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355457861 121507 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1355458346 724126 :kbbb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net PART :#esoteric < 1355458381 918785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, re: Pahana, I have no idea < 1355458384 103428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you hear of it? < 1355458417 801188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1355458426 360993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been a blog < 1355458692 991337 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355458855 696660 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355460580 478626 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355460696 604569 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :Guest < 1355460696 920388 :Guest!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :1JTAAT864 < 1355460942 642641 :keb!~keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355461457 317297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462016 179005 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462547 322411 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462579 270632 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355463463 828220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc ⚣ < 1355463464 221737 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226. < 1355463468 458764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ⚣ < 1355463468 885179 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 154 163 < 1355463484 411151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1355463508 483144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck can't google search for a unicode character simply by pasting it :( < 1355463526 819753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, axiom 1 < 1355463544 17257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Monad axiom 1? < 1355463611 778102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355463637 199292 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355463647 1763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately 20 lines above that character in the logs < 1355463668 652008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you suggesting that I logread? < 1355463669 247817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found it via fileformat.info
< 1355463682 66557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, wouldn't _dream_ of it. < 1355463699 780113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could just search unic.txt... < 1355463716 811342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1355463739 143273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't have unic.txt < 1355463745 385193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an old Perl program I used to use: < 1355463749 367014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/unic.pl.txt < 1355463766 246352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was originally written by Larry Wall. < 1355463770 36329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the point here is i want to find it without having to engage my brain. < 1355463774 359503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because of that comment. < 1355463783 493755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't have a brain and I still found it... < 1355463797 212045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1355463802 302032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⚠ < 1355463810 243030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ < 1355464040 736401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/6f8e08560f66/ais523_defend9.bfjoust < 1355464054 495551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend9: 16.4 < 1355464072 56288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the resubmit < 1355464087 192506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering how well my good programs from years ago did nowadays < 1355464091 539351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend7 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/e908fcf1f035/ais523_defend7.bfjoust < 1355464096 524407 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend7: 25.4 < 1355464116 160185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7 is up there, at least < 1355464129 896639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 is not going to do well in today's world of stupidly large offset clears < 1355464154 220251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it beats /all/ Gregor's programs, apart from the one that's actually jix's < 1355464171 42155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly by pretty large margins too < 1355464173 346045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7, that is < 1355464191 180204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it beats death_to_defence on one polarity, somehow < 1355464216 280224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355464225 948845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that makes no sense < 1355464236 990364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :htf does one of my old defence programs beat death_to_defence? < 1355464269 24380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a zombie < 1355464271 819550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant dead a zombie < 1355464273 159364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl < 1355464286 736664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks on egojsout
< 1355464313 15616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha, death_to_defence falls back to a 4-cycle clear :) < 1355464323 557050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defend7's lock works on both 2-cycle clears and 4-cycle clears < 1355464348 761268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not perfectly < 1355464352 59899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it wins by just a few cycles < 1355464411 93103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1355464414 317150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a perfect lock < 1355464427 753501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it doesn't look like one because it's not an undetectable perfect lock < 1355464494 824192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moral of the story: nested timer clears are hard to get right < 1355464564 880019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid theory: modern programs spend so long setting up decoys that they can be beaten by a full-tape clear < 1355464566 195778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1355464618 289087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(6)*5(>(+.)*255+)*21 < 1355464621 41666 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 6.9 < 1355464623 738273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1355464632 351159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have been really worried if that won < 1355464647 497252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(6)*5(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464650 74904 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 16.0 < 1355464653 237648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(>)*5(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464655 951292 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 25.3 < 1355464658 730894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come /on/ < 1355464667 326798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, like, the slowest clear loop in existence < 1355464726 175193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it does pretty badly < 1355464731 145681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why it's scoring so well < 1355464745 467424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>--->++>--(>)*3(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464748 287128 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 20.4 < 1355464756 879488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear (>)*8(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464759 511153 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 23.4 < 1355464769 162914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >>++(>)*6(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464771 817990 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 21.4 < 1355464777 540823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464780 140481 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 22.7 < 1355464783 553685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464786 370702 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355464794 704071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28.9 isn't bad < 1355464796 410545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, who's using a size-3 offset clear? :) < 1355464808 80914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, quintopia < 1355464812 502929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's just typing coincidence < 1355464832 925223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*timing coincidence < 1355464834 839537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1355464847 638547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how a program that slow can do that well simply by being 100% immune to decoys < 1355464852 894356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a half-speed turtle < 1355464860 438342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, an offset turtle that offsets the entire range < 1355464883 709413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[+[--[(+.)*255+>]>]>])*21 < 1355464886 324303 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.5 < 1355464893 127926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464895 908589 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355464928 101984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355464939 38230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong window) < 1355464963 706478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that thing making top half of the leaderboard is ridiculous :) < 1355464983 306168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*8(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464986 39161 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 26.2 < 1355464990 538458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464993 218845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355465003 823535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought that was a program that might benefit from the elliott sacrifice < 1355465006 64313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently not < 1355465019 833455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elliott is a standard unit of sacrifice measure < 1355465023 43000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to 11.4 goats < 1355465026 370619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*4++++(>)*3(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465029 102286 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 23.1 < 1355465036 500811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465039 198458 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 29.3 < 1355465043 178649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465045 862630 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465049 14207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465051 512386 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465057 515699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465060 288767 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 29.3 < 1355465063 579971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465066 65089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK 6 is optimal :) < 1355465066 286974 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465071 989913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need an optimiser program for this :) < 1355465075 735759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, don't you have one? < 1355465077 538387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1355465087 491372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very good for optimizing decoy setups < 1355465116 568296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if the strategy even /can/ be tweaked < 1355465126 593520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use a smaller offset on the turtle < 1355465137 419576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*64(+.)*127+>])*21 < 1355465140 61766 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.4 < 1355465143 889211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weird < 1355465152 740297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465155 530750 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 33.8 < 1355465158 802814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1355465169 724922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not an aggressive full tape clear any more though < 1355465173 343841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear < < 1355465176 21216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 0.0 < 1355465183 50123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465185 929372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 34.0 < 1355465267 647870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why can't it optimise decoy setups? < 1355465271 123633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be (+)*N, right? < 1355465283 354119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't brute-force, tries to use an evo algo < 1355465296 620378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191>([(+)*32(+.)*191>])*20](>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465299 334058 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465301 893271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be equivalent < 1355465306 873573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I messed up somewhere < 1355465328 373795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465330 649104 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465337 789704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just the board settling < 1355465363 483975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*50(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465366 130036 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.1 < 1355465371 322169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*90(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465373 953062 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 28.1 < 1355465378 829964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*20(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465381 605673 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.9 < 1355465387 306417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465390 958 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465394 508065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8+(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465397 402141 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465406 566964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(+)*10(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465409 212720 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465412 511578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(+)*20(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465415 336909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.5 < 1355465438 235279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*6++++++>++++++>------(>)*4(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465440 956203 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 24.6 < 1355465450 558013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465453 219290 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465454 611516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go back to the simple version < 1355465545 719747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+..)*191+>])*21 < 1355465548 269197 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 31.1 < 1355465549 286408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep offsetting the pure turtle < 1355465555 55786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poor < 1355465563 529739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(++.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465566 605538 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 26.7 < 1355465574 794245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, both interesting results there < 1355465582 109348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465584 780485 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465590 170083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either much faster than programs, or much slower < 1355465605 299910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or programs are falling off against it due to it only setting one decoy < 1355465610 197241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7+(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465612 848873 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 28.9 < 1355465629 245446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the difference it makes if you change the decoy setup even slightly < 1355465633 553276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, the high score is an illusion < 1355465644 461540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else a sign that people should stop relying on ridiculous decoy setups < 1355465650 506148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465654 21658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465668 16704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*48(+.)*159+>])*21 < 1355465670 833619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.6 < 1355465686 189707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*40(+.)*175+>])*21 < 1355465689 20898 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.6 < 1355465701 808494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465704 609343 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465756 439648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7>[(+)*64(+.)*127+>](>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*20 < 1355465759 98004 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.3 < 1355465767 818040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7>(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465770 598026 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 31.1 < 1355465779 528859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465782 238602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465791 343465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21(++-----)*100000 < 1355465793 979001 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465804 943173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the "beat vibration programs on length 30" addition has no effect at all < 1355465854 523642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*-1 < 1355465857 198559 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465860 893535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer the clean version < 1355466162 592744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_slow_offset_turtle >+++>+++>+++>--->---<(-)*65<(+)*65<(+)*65<(+)*65<(-)*65(>)*8(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*-1 < 1355466165 399917 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_slow_offset_turtle: 23.4 < 1355466213 919232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot beat vibration, silly < 1355466248 225977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, obviously < 1355466253 225516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_slow_offset_turtle < < 1355466260 288767 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_slow_offset_turtle: 0.0 < 1355466280 319032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, very_offset_turtle doesn't work against defence unless it's lucky < 1355466287 60194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a turtle, after all < 1355466414 464819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1355466414 965650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1355466430 349624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i forget, is bf joust still borken < 1355466431 319438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*broken < 1355466436 390624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah what is space hotel < 1355466447 516999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as healthy as it was but is recovering < 1355466455 502771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've beaten death_to_defence with at least two defence programs now < 1355466472 258861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's no fundamental way to beat it, it could be tweaked to beat those at the cost of losing to others < 1355466477 60588 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor_furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls.bfjoust" why did i click < 1355466478 817370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit space hotel is fucking gigantic < 1355466491 935190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't worry, it's not porn < 1355466497 456912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor just likes weird names like that < 1355466497 683809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1355466499 550664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ais523 is lying, it's porn < 1355466502 328998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1355466507 596679 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "hth" < 1355466512 720086 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than some kind of strange laughter < 1355466521 589119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1355466526 420525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "hope this doesn't help" < 1355466528 677595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs space_hotel < 1355466531 335317 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ok < 1355466561 219487 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's 300 K of brainfuck < 1355466562 482676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355466563 267562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1355466601 78353 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bondage discipline whatever is ... no < 1355466608 702168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hope this isn't porn. < 1355466618 190716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: watching it may be better than trying to read it: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1355466626 57989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is HackEgo not responding... < 1355466635 925428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (space_hotel is computer-generated) < 1355466644 578358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are some of Gregor's programs; those ones actually contain the program used to generate them < 1355466648 411902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not generated as in evolved or anything < 1355466655 151050 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1355466660 117231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly write mine by hand < 1355466667 448074 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still more than enough brainfuck for one lifetime < 1355466673 315024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think we should have a BF Joust oneliner competition < 1355466682 587014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ties broken by who spent the most time waiting < 1355466687 964166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's technically not even brainfuck! < 1355466698 287447 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's with the numbers < 1355466742 214848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run-length encoding < 1355466742 854416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust helpful < 1355466769 350841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1355466769 429418 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i mean, corewars is dorky enough, doing it in bf... i don't know if i'm willing to cross that line < 1355466780 487074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the longest articles on the wiki I think < 1355466780 560580 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "already in five freenode channels" line < 1355466828 580372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, we should feature [[BF Joust strategies]] sometime < 1355466833 431129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't technically a language < 1355466834 695236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, definitely < 1355466852 446348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't because I wrote most of it < 1355466855 946422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a collaborative effort < 1355466859 240467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how does space hotel work < 1355466862 917048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs space_hotel < 1355466870 729965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing it's the same as quintopia_a < 1355466873 320027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, it is one of the longest articles mainly because you wrote it :) < 1355466885 409697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks ais523 should try constrained writing
< 1355466885 643768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's described on the strategies page < 1355466891 476144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24532 < 1355466893 332473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or it's an evolution of it < 1355466902 127654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/6d523478892c/quintopia_a.bfjoust < 1355466905 207326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very different < 1355466908 717322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1355466911 91618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, space_hotel is much huger < 1355466926 879045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the basic structure looks similar < 1355466932 279195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355466933 626609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355466936 704590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which pastelogs < 1355466938 168317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastelogs < 1355466942 384550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pastelogs friends < 1355466949 895337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that worries me is that deep poke + breadcrumb decoys + offset clear is not a strategy that anyone's figured out how to beat yet < 1355466950 517425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6010 < 1355466971 178091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from leviathan, none of the recent hilltoppers are significantly different from that < 1355466998 73549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only known way to beat the strategy is to just pull off the same strategy more efficiently < 1355467007 708520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound doesn't support looping zero times! < 1355467027 37941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pastelogs 'space.hotel' < 1355467055 316929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to lock the clear loop; that's how defend7 beats Gregor's programs < 1355467062 983497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that itself seems beatable < 1355467068 101514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4494 < 1355467090 153999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:58:59: !bfjoust space_hotel http://sprunge.us/hjjg < 1355467090 320517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:59:11: ​Score for quintopia_space_hotel: 65.3 < 1355467090 393488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:22: !bfjoust a < < 1355467090 393679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:25: ​Score for quintopia_a: 0.0 < 1355467092 86862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like yes < 1355467101 658625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask quintopia is the description for quintopia_a on the strategies page up-to-date for space_hotel? < 1355467101 819084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355467130 146950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355467166 33945 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could make an abstract srategy game so complicated that lipograms would start to resemble A Void. because tht's sure what it's looking like < 1355467169 200415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like you can really attack the existence of breadcrumb decoys < 1355467195 705287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except… hmm < 1355467201 53907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which program should I pick on < 1355467233 168396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hahaha :) < 1355467240 236793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_somehow_beats_space_hotel >+ < 1355467247 199064 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_this_somehow_beats_space_hotel: 5.9 < 1355467248 263980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no it doens't < 1355467251 226739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on short tapes < 1355467253 402874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_somehow_beats_space_hotel < < 1355467254 847074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1355467256 281946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_this_somehow_beats_space_hotel: 0.0 < 1355467313 624671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the strategy I was going to use wouldn't work < 1355467326 254067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_hotel checks its breadcrumbs in the wrong order < 1355467388 910851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can't see a way to attack this particular breadcrumb trail strategy < 1355467397 524327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, exploit the existence of the strategy < 1355467399 422300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll think about it < 1355468451 784518 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355468577 139235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UJOL < 1355468583 340305 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 9.0 < 1355468620 591139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls.bfjoust vs ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly.bfjoust <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 42 ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly.bfjoust wins. < 1355468646 505986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any way to generalize the technique to beat more than one program, though :( < 1355468694 386715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also works against space_hotel on very short tapes, for the same reason it works on ffspg < 1355468709 541240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't work on longer tapes because it can't exploit pokes that don't leave trails < 1355468734 381108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oh, i kind of figured it was meant to evoke an incredibly complicated way of arriving at a sequence of instructions drawn from 8 possibilities" < 1355468745 207283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm pretty sure that indeed was the idea. < 1355468785 812661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, I missed the point then < 1355468792 146220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it beats dreadnought too < 1355468797 202698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should write a program that derives a warrior that beats the input warrior < 1355468798 852922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for exactly the same reason it beats ffspg < 1355468806 421554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem obviously uncomputable < 1355468809 533673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've had some thoughts about that < 1355468815 988261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't an obvious way to do it that works in all cases < 1355468827 582289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you can trivially do it, assuming such a program exists < 1355468829 552659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tape lengths are finite < 1355468854 195264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be "hard" in the sense that you could use your (quite tiny) state to write a warrior whose behaviour depends on some very complex computation < 1355468854 363773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355468869 88084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.t. it would have to roll that inside out somehow < 1355468985 958337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UhJN < 1355468988 838482 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 6.0 < 1355469002 676340 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355469007 50376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, miscalc < 1355469011 226660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UJOL < 1355469018 333302 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 9.0 < 1355469029 487386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, it gets a perfect win against two really good warriors < 1355469241 47303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use some sort of slow undermine < 1355469268 736031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't work either because programs use a forward decoy setup for their breadcrumb filling < 1355469280 497428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355469355 295594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "implementation/implementation" < 1355469356 977778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "implementation/implementation" < 1355470130 288013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Agent "Ïa" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving.' >wisdom/ais523 < 1355470133 943430 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355470139 857064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1355470141 55101 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "Ïa" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. < 1355470338 522064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really true, or are you just fibbing? < 1355470559 460112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the middle name may not be _entirely_ correct. < 1355470967 127771 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355471000 307494 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355471610 78513 :1JTAAT864!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :lightquake < 1355471889 976577 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355472195 92315 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora ... update about 3 hours ago < 1355472805 60053 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355472863 259506 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355472932 52758 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355473085 287835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[07:15:38] someone, someone, someone else: that thing there [007477] < 1355473091 445415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you want me to bring that thing here? < 1355473102 446707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the record, it's 10:18 in this time zone now.) < 1355473413 754289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x007477 < 1355473415 309422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 29815 < 1355473461 86612 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355473503 351696 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1355474261 516518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out something about Csound score macros. Macros can expand into comment delimiters, and macro invocations can be nested like $p$r.. and the macro name can include [] expressions < 1355474268 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's bit of a shame that even though it's zero-padded, it's not actually an octal number. < 1355474972 340760 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355475035 664727 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355475731 936815 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355475935 137905 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355475956 408828 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477014 773230 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355477556 749024 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477778 979039 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477893 898301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355479115 279296 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482220 956351 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482341 807658 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1355482363 46894 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃ or ∃! ? < 1355482383 526836 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355482422 922366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you unique? < 1355482423 433254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( oh)) i can't really say i've gone into the pentagon the plane you know < 1355482444 297110 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482451 843137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ... not sure we are ready to know < 1355482517 132851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I should probably keep a closer eye on what you're up to. < 1355482517 706380 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not be to their benefit i think that um i guess a lot of < 1355483684 24248 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora Ph < 1355483844 99183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im afaid* so. i think the story is builting romantic tension between us." < 1355483890 627167 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an unfungot? < 1355483891 120065 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's kind of like you know < 1355483913 661316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an unfungot be like? < 1355483914 78185 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and i don't < 1355484993 367965 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355485928 547032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355486199 281637 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355486361 382482 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fungot has gone into the Pentagon... And it will "not be to their benefit"... < 1355486361 632577 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1355486361 921069 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: yeah yeah i yeah i don't have < 1355486421 831119 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah yeah < 1355486544 241066 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1355486633 98524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you, in fact, a terrrrorist? < 1355486633 658193 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you kind of have a business name or something that i i don't understand < 1355486651 133395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shady bot. < 1355487037 987609 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-32.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355487494 443180 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355487706 655014 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-32.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1355487856 367545 :ogrom!del@176.46.3.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355488425 251795 :ogrom!del@176.46.3.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355488465 811461 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355488902 266758 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355489015 287511 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355489044 634280 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, guess what scheme the "hacker genius" at tech club came up with to make brute forcing harder < 1355489058 720487 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(against encryption) < 1355489068 519225 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355489081 878357 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use several algorithms. Order of algorithms and which algorithms are used are secret similarly to the key < 1355489123 117823 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 NICK :MDude < 1355489126 484973 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to point out that that doesn't help as much as just adding a lot of bits to the key < 1355489144 630018 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does hacker genius mean here < 1355489181 251854 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355489185 417307 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, the person at tech club who apparently works as a penetration tester and thought that parameterized queries are vulnerable to null byte attacks < 1355489189 123357 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PHP < 1355489211 927920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355489226 394523 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's really not a hacker genius < 1355489226 921029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355489230 620006 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a tech club < 1355489238 522117 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Club at school < 1355489259 261986 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always like this < 1355489324 829196 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I keep getting fascinated by what he says. It's like, when he says something I don't understand fully, he could be completely correct, but he could be wrong, I don't know, but when he talks about stuff I understand, he's just not that great < 1355489339 401306 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that USB thing that fakes being a keyboard is kind of cool < 1355489353 544390 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1355489371 351230 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1355489398 512759 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it gets plugged in, it starts typing stuff to open a command prompt and do things on the system < 1355489468 689825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355490231 565587 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when he talks about stuff I don't understand, I just find myself being impressed, even though I have no way of being sure that he knows what he's talking about < 1355490280 790796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355490311 46966 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355490328 251195 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355490331 896319 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b6008.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355490344 457645 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b6008.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1355491303 168741 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355491712 81388 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355492130 376348 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355492251 287059 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I realised you don't actually break my hypothesis because your nick starts with a lowercase letter < 1355492260 819252 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan to video game today has a fatal flaw < 1355492315 883821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Friday, and it would be socially unacceptable to video game away a Friday evening? < 1355492323 919038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I understand this be the case in some circles.) < 1355492324 621244 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1355492331 910840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find my PS2 controller < 1355492347 385592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a PS/2 controller instead. < 1355492361 145621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will work perfectly well! < 1355492363 912128 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a serial controller < 1355492374 257035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A serial air traffic controller. < 1355492522 142270 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1355492522 732611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodeWeaver says: keep in mind encryption's only as good as how much you trust that the implementors got it right. < 1355492608 118169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the implementors are smarter than me < 1355492608 274423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355492613 460194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that < 1355493018 921244 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If environment variables were structured we could store PATH as a list of strings, the way God intended < 1355493064 89615 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try scheme shell < 1355493140 491403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355493146 146612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would SBurb be a rogue-like? < 1355493180 783181 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Set of Directory Names, you neanderthal < 1355493194 522858 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBurb is a set of directory names!? < 1355493219 444407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is SBurb, fungot? < 1355493219 913963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you need to have < 1355493254 432326 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot's right, Jafet. < 1355493258 761797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to have SBurb < 1355493274 498900 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you won't survive the meteors < 1355493527 269779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355493593 170334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have a copy? < 1355493593 774810 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no we just passed the ban two weeks ago in the sunday league and they would have they'd be in jail why are you in < 1355493645 307761 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I approve of banning sburb. < 1355493645 880205 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: supplies that we could pay for < 1355493694 130095 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355493855 194163 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355494060 829324 :nortti!~juhani@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355494215 627703 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355494244 186958 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if it was a set we'd need a way of choosing between identically-named executables < 1355494272 617906 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm unless we just run them all with the specified arguments and discard any results that gave an error? < 1355494422 643756 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :OrderedSet? < 1355494432 434314 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated, but: "These criteria are not rigorous in any real sense (you'd need a formal semantics for Haskell in order to give a proper answer to this question)" < 1355494433 640477 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Haskell doesn't have a formal semantics?!?? < 1355494458 817640 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, an ordered set works < 1355494462 363407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :People didn't want to have formal semantics flamewars < 1355494479 60157 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dry cleaning costs too much < 1355494495 995606 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally surprised, Haskell seems like the language most likely to have one defined < 1355494633 137608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody needs one < 1355494746 147269 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When has *that* ever stopped people? < 1355494753 176504 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of languages where people actually need formal semantics are: C, Java, PHP, ARMv6 < 1355494771 839595 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not make up those examples) < 1355494795 749042 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many phd student grants a formal semantics costs < 1355494798 637177 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not free < 1355494861 449592 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP has formal semantics?!? < 1355494861 522595 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait do you mean "needs" < 1355494888 1656 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a semantics for a fragment of PHP < 1355494901 959888 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used it to find a language bug < 1355494914 521837 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in icfp < 1355495045 110780 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.research.ibm.com/trl/people/mich/pub/200901_popl2009phpsem.pdf < 1355495060 87695 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it was in popl < 1355495062 839575 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"close enough" < 1355495105 390181 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't we just pay some grad students a year's worth of pot noodles? :o) < 1355495107 466430 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355495139 559919 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost of the noodles is very small compared to the cost of the phd < 1355495179 960193 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355495302 478624 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: while searching for the paper, I got an Amazon link for "Low Prices on Formal Semantics". Forget the pot noodles, we'll order it online! < 1355495371 378184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut-oh, checking "what was that weird angel book on display at the bookstore" wasn't the best idea w.r.t. Amazon recommendations: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121214-amazon.png < 1355495899 34035 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1355497144 963597 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355498084 816677 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355498577 613333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard ML famously has a formal semantics < 1355498587 477923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in some book that costs money :( < 1355498600 840427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mmm pot noodle < 1355498625 951615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll have shin ramyun for breakfast < 1355498646 996672 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355498647 69564 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355498647 69710 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355499003 710574 :marcelino!~marcel@81.180.210.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355499055 519127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with kmc
< 1355500479 277559 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355500509 129214 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop making me hungry < 1355500671 719191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355501107 114859 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355501191 849725 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355501765 423214 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355501873 201840 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355501968 330148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355502829 467383 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503210 29251 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently impossible to build Factor from source < 1355503226 269811 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the build process downloads a binary image from some server, and that server is down < 1355503237 62439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1355503241 863403 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess not "impossible", but I don't know how I'd approach it < 1355503252 235023 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than waiting for it to be fixed < 1355503522 711867 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building from binaries, eh? < 1355503530 973569 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1355503543 763507 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like SBCL < 1355503596 629203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it needs an existing factor compiler? < 1355503597 756368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: not much other choice with a bootstrapping compiler < 1355503598 35944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355503636 153951 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1355503643 372764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, SBCL can use any CL implementation, at least in theory. < 1355503701 22058 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355503742 94594 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503745 73142 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of one feature that Squeak Smalltalk has that the Factor environment doesn't: The ability to, after an arbitrary exception, look around, change things, and continue on. I think that's doable in theory in Factor, but as far as I know the tooling isn't there. < 1355503760 956145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503790 63477 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the big draws of Factor to me is the environment, so... does this mean I should really be playing with Smalltalk? < 1355503822 767071 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question! < 1355503827 734557 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503837 435822 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know the answer) < 1355503841 593830 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: should you??????? < 1355503858 717130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether playing with clojure or playing with smalltalk, you're just playing with yourself < 1355503908 128568 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure has an almost decent sized community. Smalltalk has ... some sort of community, I think. It's really just Factor where I'd be almost alone < 1355503925 770689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a monads library for clojure is making a monads library for the people < 1355504007 682153 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lambdabot or hackego have a random-chooser? < 1355504024 54091 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355504025 710840 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1355504028 541961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��#��o�� < 1355504038 345917 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@rng clojure smalltalk factor < 1355504038 503718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bug msg ping rc run wn < 1355504067 670364 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wat < 1355504108 698327 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1355504110 371356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​���RQ�1T�"�u������e!�5*b��dP��c��|>.,�Hc#�#�5�A~�dtM�O,ɹ/h�)�L@���T��.����Ld���z < 1355504155 521262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355504157 161898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355504177 563308 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double wat < 1355504187 276861 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can write one for HackEgo < 1355504195 632585 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages can he manage? < 1355504210 940588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1355504215 426894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of them < 1355504222 316191 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all brainfuck derivatives though < 1355504224 747609 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a Linux bot < 1355504228 495617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355504229 891915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ 1l \ 2l \ addquote \ adjust \ allquotes \ anonlog \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ boolfuck \ c \ calc \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ define \ delquote \ dimensifuck \ etymology \ forget \ forth \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ glass \ glypho \ google \ haskell \ hatesgeo \ hi \ jous < 1355504230 62186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1355504231 563739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1355504233 706432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it still has < 1355504236 303911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl --version < 1355504238 55389 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 56 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \ \ Complete documenta < 1355504240 183281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc --version < 1355504241 718424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355504242 906367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps < 1355504244 384185 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355504245 181242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc --version < 1355504246 542086 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more languages" < 1355504249 428801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.6.1 < 1355504258 445246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not what interps/ is < 1355504261 946827 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lua -v < 1355504265 561170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lua: not found < 1355504270 283008 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1355504271 188810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lua I guess < 1355504271 767519 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know... < 1355504285 10386 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE I'll use the occasion to practice my haskell < 1355504285 646783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ada --version < 1355504287 820157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ada: not found < 1355504293 89004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ada compiler? < 1355504296 577961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java --version < 1355504301 198287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized option: --version \ Could not create the Java virtual machine. < 1355504302 138335 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs a COBOL compiler < 1355504312 279200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of java wrapper at least < 1355504315 646555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forget what it is though < 1355504325 300374 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java -version < 1355504329 623052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :java version "1.6.0_18" \ OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.13) (6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2) \ OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode) < 1355504337 243858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghdl --version < 1355504338 687250 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ghdl: not found < 1355504347 8438 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo --version < 1355504348 336479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 56 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \ \ Complete documenta < 1355504349 316287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no VHDL emulator? < 1355504367 169617 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vice < 1355504368 401979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: vice: not found < 1355504377 580092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby --version < 1355504381 111624 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1355504385 503772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big loss there < 1355504398 976408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`g++ --version < 1355504401 640191 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355504420 180859 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can we get luarocks on HackEgo? Pretty please? < 1355504424 445056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there a javac though? < 1355504424 585235 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, `? ngevd is a link to /dev/urandom, if nobody explained that. < 1355504425 446300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`javac --version < 1355504430 591275 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac: invalid flag: --version \ Usage: javac \ use -help for a list of possible options < 1355504430 767226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wis < 1355504433 912711 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1355504435 177772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`javac -version < 1355504440 459362 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac 1.6.0_18 < 1355504442 120322 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they didn't, thanks < 1355504459 516854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runls -l wis < 1355504460 462739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runls: not found < 1355504462 896375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wis < 1355504464 510678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wis: No such file or directory < 1355504468 855529 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom < 1355504470 245888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 356 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 12 Dec 9 07:37 ? \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 12 Dec 9 23:42 ☃ \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 68 Dec 9 23:43 🐐 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 141 Dec 14 07:28 ais523 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 13 Dec 9 22:07 atriq \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 21 Dec 9 07:37 augur \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 64 Dec 9 07:37 banach-tarski \ < 1355504480 679172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "debian desktop environment", what does that entail? < 1355504482 578544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome? < 1355504483 46761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1355504484 345675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1355504487 826828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original. < 1355504535 483309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: debian default is xfce < 1355504537 869239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it lxde < 1355504546 152950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps lxfce < 1355504550 276956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh, sounds fine < 1355504557 367338 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3281gSpCr1qhp6k5o1_400.jpg < 1355504578 794117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just need to set up the non-free repo afterwards to get the GPU drivers and what not. < 1355504587 135636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1355504599 800427 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, I presume that image is not actually an SCP reference? < 1355504607 789024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depending on yr card the free drivers might work fine < 1355504617 592388 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same statue < 1355504623 810430 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in the SCP-173 image < 1355504627 496725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use opencl, last I checked that didn't work with the free AMD drivers < 1355504627 809527 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its creator < 1355504631 505647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah sgeo < 1355504634 630545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more completely obvious facts < 1355504656 811768 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Phantom_Hoover was asking < 1355504664 638848 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: ! What is it called? < 1355504701 463578 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, whether it was actually taken with SCP in mind. < 1355504714 507994 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the creator even knows. < 1355504727 691968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this, the ETA for the download is counting up at about 2 seconds per second... < 1355504744 6977 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His brainchild is internet famous < 1355504815 251769 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scaithebathhouse.com/en/exhibitions/2005/04/izumi_kato/ < 1355504878 788208 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1355504884 827509 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean er < 1355504885 982162 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1355504887 999732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so with Nix, does every version of every package you've ever installed stay installed forever? < 1355504889 956448 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo++ < 1355504946 573975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it has a (conservative) GC < 1355504963 68984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355504968 270797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it handle things like $PATH < 1355504978 549429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can think of the nix store as literally a pure programming language's memory < 1355504980 452478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i want to run a python script that starts with "#!/usr/bin/env python", which python does it use < 1355504996 757115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh I think they keep a /usr/bin/env around < 1355505001 550924 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max version maybe? < 1355505002 284946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no way for it to track references from random scripts i write that aren't in Nix < 1355505005 625664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you PATH gets set to the location of your active profile which uses symlinks < 1355505014 250736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the nix-env stuff sets that up < 1355505022 893692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do this with a unionfs too but they don't < 1355505029 400704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10:02 also there's no way for it to track references from random scripts i write that aren't in Nix < 1355505039 84074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can specify gc roots explicitly < 1355505047 192254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens if you install a package explicitly obvs < 1355505051 361325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1355505060 918133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to remove a package you installed to run a script because it thinks it's unused :P < 1355505067 11841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1355505071 917328 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1355505078 576460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're saying the things i explicitly ask for are considered roots < 1355505084 784737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because no package manager does that? if your environment references it you want it < 1355505090 716065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505091 714516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you asked for it < 1355505106 717814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you upgrade a package in your environment then you no longer want the old version < 1355505110 176744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its outdated dependencies etc. < 1355505116 438516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1355505159 471006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you think installing nixos on my new laptop is a bad idea or a terrible idea? < 1355505173 510571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the download ETA displayed in the debian installer is all over the place. They seriously need to add a low pass filter to that thing < 1355505175 488408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent idea. do it. < 1355505185 84943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's new so worst case you can just wipe it and install ubuntu right < 1355505189 406968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect time to fuck things up < 1355505220 724572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355505244 59044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a nice install guide < 1355505251 247729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty manual last time i checked < 1355505331 982604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355505398 804471 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1355505423 666767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1355505430 903784 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brass eye was amazing < 1355505455 961100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried NixOS in qemu once, and it is awesome. The issue however is that it isn't very mature, there isn't a lot of software already available compared to the more established distros. < 1355505499 956506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok kmc doesn't use software < 1355505730 367100 :marcelino!~marcel@81.180.210.99 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355505744 965140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355505754 952362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm willing to do some amount of packaging work myself as well < 1355505768 731520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what about security of package distribution < 1355505782 11020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355505783 436269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one thing i really like about debian is that they are super anal about everything being signed < 1355505791 329995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they understand PKI and trust webs and whatever < 1355505802 902635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355505805 33056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the rest of the world things "curl http://... | sudo sh -" is a great way to distribute software < 1355505833 265496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think they might have signed packages? not sure < 1355505860 690048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505861 536633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nix supports user-local installs fwiw < 1355505864 700273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :securely < 1355505868 549314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean the packages themselves are secure < 1355505877 666689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can limit the damage of a malicious packgae < 1355505880 24047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*package < 1355505890 587671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to ask #nixos < 1355505897 842257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505898 679985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355505922 875428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if I would install sudo as user-local or something? < 1355505928 285658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wouldn't work < 1355505928 833546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in user-level separation for vanilla linux desktops < 1355505929 385006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1355505935 383341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many ways around it < 1355505952 957877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it works in nix, they have a very well-thought out system < 1355505954 355557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would it do though? Just remove the suid bit? < 1355505955 611826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read the paper about it < 1355505960 171038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NixOS operates in this way by default, not sure < 1355505976 710615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could turn off the binary support entirely if you want to be paranoid and slow < 1355505994 916927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NixOS is actually a source-based distro whose package manager just happens to have an optimisation to download binaries instead < 1355506008 716405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the distribution you use doesn't affect the reasons i consider user isolation useless on a typical linux desktop < 1355506019 351988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also do binary patches which is really cool (and necessary since otherwise library updates would have horrific rippling effects on everything depending on it) < 1355506027 627093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason is just that all the shit i care about is in my account < 1355506034 925608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and they understand PKI and trust webs and whatever <-- wasn't it debian who broke openssl security or something by commenting out some code? < 1355506046 188540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well the thing is that it's sort of inherent to the nixos system that his happens, it's not something you specifically install or whatever < 1355506056 17304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an attacker can get my gmail password and all my secret files, why do i care if they also get root < 1355506064 574254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a global nix store of pure packages and user-local environments < 1355506071 125804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying this gives you the user additional security < 1355506073 605812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it's true < 1355506075 637102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355506086 283296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think you do need root to add to the store by default because they use source-based hashes not binary-based < 1355506086 361146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1355506089 419241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you do to flip that over < 1355506102 944636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more concerned about whether someone can MITM my connection and send me bad packages < 1355506109 895297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which debian prevents using crypto < 1355506123 957141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people seem to not give a shit about < 1355506130 795977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also: hackage, pypi, etc < 1355506133 698816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you should read http://hydra.nixos.org/build/3479976/download/1/nixos/manual.html and http://hydra.nixos.org/build/3488542/download/1/manual/, possibly in reverse order < 1355506142 960255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't really think NixOS cares much more than average there yeah < 1355506156 116200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the new hipster hegemony serves things from github, which has ssl < 1355506156 189814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it skews heavily on the research/experimental side of things < 1355506172 770213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, arch linux does signed packages nowdays iirc < 1355506173 631267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i only have to trust some brogrammers who kind of understand how to configure rails < 1355506186 419799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that Red Hat does as well, since they are Serious Business < 1355506221 846608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it does < 1355506241 321511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it do split debug symbols properly yet? < 1355506257 397227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of (or care). < 1355506265 101489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean "signs packages" is only one part of the story < 1355506277 710522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has keys, and how is trust in those keys established < 1355506284 448732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1355506297 871274 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.archlinux.org/master-keys/ < 1355506328 156572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got into a long argument with the CentOS people about whether serving a SHA1SUMS file from the same directory as the .iso image over unencrypted HTTP was some powerful security measure < 1355506340 824979 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355506362 881999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1355506400 917326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's more of a measure against corrupted or incomplete downloads anyway < 1355506402 518576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does help against evil mirrors but not against MITM attackers < 1355506428 710014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that may be the original intent, but the misconception that it's powerful security is widespread < 1355506481 590372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does grub error 15 mean I wonder... sigh < 1355506496 54857 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start actually using SHA1SUMS files < 1355506503 514051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even bother verifying checksums < 1355506508 631581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: speaking of XSS holes in CUPS, http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2008/Jan/270 < 1355506555 669076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localhost.citibank.com:631/jobs/?job_printer_uri=javascript:alert(document.cookie) < 1355506558 669991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes localhost.citibank.com has address 127.0.0.1 < 1355506567 614426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A file grub expects to be there, isn't < 1355506595 782219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, grub 1 or 2? < 1355506603 924345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub 2 has actual error messages < 1355506607 816204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why are you using grub 1) < 1355506613 437082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why is grub 1 still on sda and sdb then < 1355506615 348473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :localhost.fbi.gov has address 127.0.0.1 < 1355506617 594492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use grub 1 but now use syslinux < 1355506621 930618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the installer didn't install on the right MBR? < 1355506635 7284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I doubt internal FBI stuff is on fbi.gov at least < 1355506642 416713 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly, try booting from a different drive < 1355506646 406869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not. Or it appears I am because debian installer didn't understand my disk < 1355506681 78677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you doubt that < 1355506706 236298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I did, I tried sda & sdb, sdc is windows, so that would be a waste of time. the ssd at sdd though? hm < 1355506733 880791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well I know they have fancy ~super secret~ intranet stuff < 1355506747 423438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I imagine is completely separate from their public web presence < 1355506758 278144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes a degree of competence i am not willing to assume < 1355506775 436869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it might be on a private network and still use fbi.gov hostnames and *.fbi.gov cookies < 1355506779 559896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that screenshot of that internal fbi wiki < 1355506784 364194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the military networks are definitely disjoint from the public internet < 1355506789 543940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, anyway the installer said it installed on sda < 1355506792 850260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I hope it did < 1355506806 218560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So you can boot into Windows fine? < 1355506812 300224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm, yep < 1355506815 338411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i cannot find it < 1355506827 922640 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's possible the installer's sda isn't grub's whatever < 1355506830 282109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the ssd says it isn't bootable < 1355506850 506805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well possibly, but sda and sdb have mdraid so that shouldn't matter < 1355506859 477653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it was in the 80s < 1355506866 362325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm booting system rescue cd now to figure this out < 1355506886 696327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame kmc for suppressing this information < 1355506906 548943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355506906 622020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f* p; < 1355506909 471349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1355506911 774160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard < 1355506917 647127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is... StartCom < 1355506928 104308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also typedef int f(float) < 1355506943 951056 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q. does anyone here not use arch < 1355506948 954238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:46 so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355506951 897355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:46 f* p; < 1355506954 438581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought you were itidus for a second < 1355506957 50075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:49 uhhhh < 1355506958 581392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just babbling < 1355506961 14292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:51 disregard < 1355506973 489945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist of the century < 1355507042 363282 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355507070 712994 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355507073 792981 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355507074 25801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :364) You just went from "no sexualized ads" to "we have ads for dildos, but they're different for ads for Orangina" X-D < 1355507500 7713 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone mind explaining to me how BJ Foust exactly works, because I don't seem to get it entirely? < 1355507531 4305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yeah grub2 is not on any disk... How weird < 1355507533 11583 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BF Joust < 1355507543 35845 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch didn't even have signed packages until this year I think < 1355507562 571144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not outside of testing < 1355507625 373027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember when exactly Pacman 4 was released, but I seem to recall that at least [core] was 100% signed last December. < 1355507854 500114 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355507885 832133 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355507893 781706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You write code, and then the code wins. Or loses, as the case may be. < 1355507963 581239 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that part, I just don't understand when they are executed < 1355507971 451983 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = the instructions) < 1355507981 313620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :each program takes a turn to execute one instruction < 1355507987 380389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until someone wins or it times out < 1355507990 887429 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :who takes the first turn? < 1355508013 888173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the left program, but I am pretty confident it doesn't matter < 1355508025 862055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the left program is whichever one you decide is left) < 1355508122 791474 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-55.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355508178 440810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so for the "simple" program on http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/index.php < 1355508191 627355 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did something like (-)*127[-+] < 1355508210 18313 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that would sometimes win < 1355508232 455878 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the other program commits suicide < 1355508236 446940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see it wins on some tape lengths and not others < 1355508237 923166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press run < 1355508276 827221 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably a bad idea to make your flag be between 0 and 1 < 1355508308 743187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that's a shudder/vibrator strategy; see http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#Shudder < 1355508314 493800 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is a high chance that the enemy will bring your flag to 0 for 2 cycles before you make him commit suicide? < 1355508328 893923 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is a strategy page < 1355508341 892412 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try to read that first < 1355508343 778051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#Anti-shudder_clear < 1355508348 471146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the strategy page is very in-depth < 1355508816 116015 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355508821 551262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ 1l \ 2l \ addquote \ adjust \ allquotes \ anonlog \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ boolfuck \ c \ calc \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ define \ delquote \ dimensifuck \ etymology \ forget \ forth \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ glass \ glypho \ google \ haskell \ hatesgeo \ hi \ jous < 1355508836 313807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the hill located, again? < 1355508894 670733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1355508894 992882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1355508981 36661 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355508987 275523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1355509381 559886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck < 1355509382 613359 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355509385 747008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck hello < 1355509387 203136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1355509397 139720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/fuck < 1355509398 325322 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ printf "%s" "$1" < 1355509426 193587 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls babies < 1355509427 592265 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access babies: No such file or directory < 1355509555 377186 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I haven't yet considered how to migrate competitive games to HackEgo. < 1355509601 400282 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509610 605367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1355509611 534442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355509617 99563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1355509619 257605 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355509619 413178 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi monqy < 1355509621 797564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355509644 976965 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/{hi,hatesgeo} < 1355509645 292882 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509645 364385 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355509645 364534 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509646 333132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo hi \ #!/bin/sh \ perl -n -e '/:(.*?)!.*JOIN/; $j{$1}++; END {print "$_ $j{$_};" for sort {$j{$b} <=> $j{$a}} keys %j}' $@ < 1355509647 990530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355509676 803842 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355509680 712923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :869) so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355509697 297428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`glass < 1355509700 590496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1355509708 631778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok? < 1355509712 987435 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK! < 1355509717 98996 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/glass < 1355509718 450847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_file "./interps/glass/glass ./interps/glass/cache" < 1355509751 431542 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : `glass {M[m ... hmm. I no longer remember glass well enough to just write some X-D < 1355509791 516958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *interp* < 1355509792 639548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355509822 81983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1355509823 449078 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1355509857 332929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hackegobot merge does not seem to be functioning perfectly :P < 1355509871 615887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how will bf joust being on hackego interact with the repo history getting wiped < 1355509899 901782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a) hopefully I don't need to wipe repo history any more, (b) that's the problem, innit ;) < 1355509972 479176 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't seen any bugs in what actually /is/ merged yet... < 1355509980 92023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bf_txtgen "do the binaries in here work?" < 1355509981 524799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bf_txtgen: command not found < 1355509986 226666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355509988 556745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen isn't merged yet ;) < 1355509998 993881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run *interp*/bf_txtgen "do the binaries in here work?" < 1355510000 336589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: interps/bf_txtgen: is a directory < 1355510003 671592 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355510012 737937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You've seen a bug in what's merged, you just papered over it :P < 1355510022 80303 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355510024 732211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug? < 1355510042 863526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff that does #!/usr/bin/env perl was broken because bin/perl was your user interface to Perl. < 1355510054 239658 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ^^´ < 1355510056 92048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks interpreter stuff should just have its own separate bin/ accessed by "!foo" rather than "`foo"
< 1355510064 547213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nurr nurr nurr. < 1355510067 35095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also make `ls bin more useful when messing with hackegoy commands and stuff < 1355510093 213092 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is that I don't want there to BE a distinction between HackEgoy stuff and EgoBoty stuff. I want there to be one bot X-D < 1355510104 657401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that there is inherently a distinction in some ways < 1355510107 73381 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could be separate dirs and both could be in $PATH? < 1355510107 144767 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want there to be two bots with a single manifestation. < 1355510122 299544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff in bin/ gets seen internally rather than just being UI and there are namespace overlaps < 1355510159 360863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kind of inconvenient to have a bunch of mostly-trivial wrapper scripts inamongst the code that people actually wrote for the bot < 1355510164 19275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edit regularly < 1355510184 50957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :command eval could prefix interps-bin to $PATH or something < 1355510185 511438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1355510190 42349 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that wouldn't help.. < 1355510228 187196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between "`eval foo" and "!foo" is just that the latter is less convenient < 1355510244 884680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though implementing "!foo ..." by mapping it to "`interp foo ..." would make total sense < 1355510245 881004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*former < 1355510250 381046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes < 1355510252 856216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: would that be merged enough? < 1355510261 261149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could totally customise the !foo behaviour, it would just be another entry point to the bot < 1355510274 151475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basically just a namespacing/clutter issue to me, shrug < 1355510293 473140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I'm not saying the distinction should be "which bot had the command originally" < 1355510300 666053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it makes sense for bfjoust to be `bfjoust IMO < 1355510306 367297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `perl, not so much < 1355510317 237730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir ibins; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep '\. lib/interp' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510320 385232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh one solution to repo-wiping would be for the bfjoust stuff to maintain its own nested hg repo...) < 1355510332 510446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I hope you didn't test that first < 1355510339 311204 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing is for losers. < 1355510355 857678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `ibins': File exists \ mv: target `ibin/' is not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/1l' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/2l' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/adjust' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/asm' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/axo' to `i < 1355510364 454645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355510367 619641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1355510385 736451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355510386 780455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355510387 783624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: idea: if a command causes a commit but gives no output, HackEgo gives a link to the hg web interface commit < 1355510391 40458 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep '\. lib/interp' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510391 112450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can see if it worked < 1355510409 124769 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a nifty idea. < 1355510424 797890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it should give a link even if it does give output, but for stuff like quotes it'd have to be two lines < 1355510426 855589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `ibin': File exists \ grep: bin/@: No such file or directory \ grep: bin/c: No such file or directory \ grep: bin/k: No such file or directory < 1355510427 847607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that would be fine < 1355510431 584384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands that write aren't very common < 1355510446 191421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can omit the "No output." line if you are linking a commit on another line < 1355510484 235334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could shorten the urls to http://codu.org/e/dfigj or something and then just include it at the end of every line that touches stuff < 1355510493 748613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a shorter cutoff for commands that cause modifications is no big deal < 1355510505 95816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be valuable to have some very small, out-of-the-way mention that it DID produce output, without showing a full URL. You can always find the URL easily enouogh. < 1355510534 345968 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510535 327272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/interp: 2: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution < 1355510540 379345 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern :) < 1355510542 286674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a bit of a pain to find the fshg URL and then refresh a bunch < 1355510547 699309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why a link would be handy when messing with stuff IMO < 1355510555 603816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1355510648 641588 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second the !foo proposal < 1355510652 254601 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d'\'' '\'' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d'\'' '\'' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510655 111099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510658 594702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/interp < 1355510659 256155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Gregor is implementing said proposal right now :P < 1355510659 529221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"` \ ARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1355510664 351514 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510665 461776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut: bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.: No such file or directory \ cut: : No such file or directory \ exec: 4: ibin/: Permission denied < 1355510674 725320 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also please can has lua/luarocks :-) < 1355510675 623171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: echo "$1" | cut ... < 1355510676 488584 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at this apparently X-D < 1355510681 62291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH HAND < 1355510685 385751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut takes a file. < 1355510685 542310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh X_X < 1355510705 673660 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d'\'' '\'' -f1`\nARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d'\'' '\'' -f2-`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510705 749208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have an idea... why don't you just make "!foo bar baz" pass along two args, "foo" and "bar baz" :P < 1355510708 931274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510714 728039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can do the splitting in multibot Python rather than HackEgo sh. < 1355510717 890801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex editing linux kernel modules to support new hardware, like a boss < 1355510721 96253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't use ! yet since EgoBot is still alive. < 1355510724 406443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1355510724 910231 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is a stopgap. < 1355510727 201062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about `` < 1355510731 149017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess interp works for now though < 1355510738 400350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510740 250820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1355510748 765737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1355510753 181549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355510754 342625 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquot < 1355510768 185935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastenquot < 1355510769 622875 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastenquot: not found < 1355510779 237053 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1355510780 255516 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastaquote: not found < 1355510784 756712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where's my "..." cutoff < 1355510788 144827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this WELCOME's fault < 1355510792 652171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355510795 943752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste < 1355510798 458319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`maketext < 1355510799 455039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15092 < 1355510800 439913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access maketext: No such file or directory \ /hackenv/bin/maketext: line 2: maketext/0: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1355510813 661095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run maketext < 1355510815 518317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access maketext: No such file or directory \ /hackenv/bin/maketext: line 2: maketext/0: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1355510817 535210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it would be nice to have something that automatically does | paste < 1355510821 228134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec quote pasta' > bin/pastaquote; chmod 0755 bin/pastaquote < 1355510824 274690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510828 247157 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1355510829 681080 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510840 593047 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WE JUST NEED SOME QUOTES ON PASTA < 1355510852 24658 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pasta < 1355510853 381787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510856 679714 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can use ¡foo as a stand-in :o) < 1355510857 323123 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketchup on pasta is delicious. < 1355510867 209184 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1355510878 208783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: How big is luarocks? Can you just install it yourself? X-D < 1355510910 692631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf < 1355510911 188821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355510914 863269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1355510923 846158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool < 1355510931 385427 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe with the right curl invocation I could! It is not that large < 1355510935 520096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1355510941 262322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well THAT should never happen < 1355510957 308432 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Can't use curl directly, but you can use `fetch . < 1355510968 844528 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1355510991 867968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you jealous of how everyone else's bot is getting all kinds of attention while you last got a code-change years ago? < 1355510992 532334 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not a racist i just i always seem to raise it around the holidays like christmas and mn it < 1355511006 250631 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do it when I am not dog-tired as currently, that condition tends to interact badly with installing anything < 1355511018 845991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think now would be a good time to change fungot. < 1355511019 396937 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't remember getting taught in school that they go to sleep < 1355511031 695913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511032 98320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In anticipation for its moving to Deewiant's fancy new interpreter??? < 1355511032 411454 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what can we add to fungot? He is perfect in every way < 1355511032 900291 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ( ( like what)) < 1355511036 382902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have to move it to Shiro 2 also < 1355511041 89743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf < 1355511042 988452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ \ # Get the bitwidth from the command \ BW=`echo "$CMD" | sed 's/bf//'` \ if [ "$BW" = "" ] ; then BW=8 ; fi \ \ interp_file ./interps/egobf/src/egobfi$BW < 1355511047 150582 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point < 1355511071 150941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hypothesis: the vast majority of ibin/ is redundant to interps/ and `interp could handle it itself. < 1355511085 403906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd ibin; more * | paste < 1355511088 866155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yay, I now got grub 2, I get a rescue prompt now < 1355511089 452241 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16839 < 1355511098 412188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW MORE COULD DO THAT) < 1355511099 542313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, definitely not. They all have different standards for how to take input. File, stdin, need flags, etc etc. < 1355511101 264257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: There are bugs in the babbling, I think. It's not implementing the algo-rhythm correctly. I think. < 1355511112 114828 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interp is just raw interpreters, ibin/ is "make this interpreter take some damned code" < 1355511112 689241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Congrats on accidentally moving ? and @. < 1355511118 411365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ibin/"?" bin < 1355511121 61734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ibin/"@" bin < 1355511122 270885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355511124 969617 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, oops :) < 1355511125 44338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355511132 951660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nice, there is an ibin/sh < 1355511137 445167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Stop complaining when it's SO EASY TO FIX. < 1355511138 54084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was on the path and nobody even noticed < 1355511140 977691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355511147 616502 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did you have to install it manually < 1355511166 341589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway what I mean is that the vast majority of these just seem to be interp_file, and `interp could handle that itself. < 1355511171 841199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes, from a gentoo-based live cd. Oh the irony < 1355511180 876995 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355511182 984794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :816) and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1355511186 734993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that the executables in interps/ have different names, but that seems fixable. < 1355511187 934329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, still, it can't find anything < 1355511197 162495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gentoo live cds are the way to install any other distro manually < 1355511210 450825 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511215 35020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, you could just shorten these by making lib/interp a valid #! interpreter < 1355511218 58497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that < 1355511218 649161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat lib/interp < 1355511220 2922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well, system rescue cd is an extremely good live cd < 1355511220 395889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ \ export I_CMD="$0" \ export I_ARG="$1" \ export ARG_FILE="/tmp/input.$$" \ \ get_arg() { \ #if expr "$I_ARG" : "http://" > /dev/null \ #then \ # wget $WGET_OPTIONS "$I_ARG" -O "$ARG_FILE" \ #else \ printf '%s' "$I_ARG" > "$ARG_FILE" \ #fi \ } \ \ clean_arg() { \ rm -f "$ARG_FILE" \ } \ \ interp < 1355511226 157257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url lib/interp < 1355511227 847451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/lib/interp < 1355511234 212171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, and gentoo-based < 1355511242 175311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I see this doesn't use the HTTP proxy < 1355511315 971598 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355511321 352367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this sound for reducing the clutteriness of ibin/: Rather than `interp running the file in ibin directly, make `interp start sh and source lib/interp and then source ibin/$foo. Then they'd just be one-liners. I have no idea why this is better but it feels better. < 1355511325 581294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, you know what, grub 1 was so much easier to get working... < 1355511341 286391 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511341 359856 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355511341 360002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511342 803563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2 is trivial to get working if you don't have a supercomplicated LVM RAID setup. < 1355511354 305768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SYSLINUX is pretty easy < 1355511425 957083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not super complicated. For /boot it is just plain mdraid < 1355511442 400551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that linux and grub doesn't agree on which device is sda, sdb and so on < 1355511470 263427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that at least < 1355511479 7431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: grub doesn't even use "sda". < 1355511492 616676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partitions are numbered from 1 in grub2, if that's what you mean. < 1355511505 920367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exactly, but it maps hd1 to sda and so on when doing grub-install from linux < 1355511512 299857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that mapping is off < 1355511519 805301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figuring out the correct mapping is a pain < 1355511527 86017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java < 1355511530 82557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: java [-options] class [args...] \ (to execute a class) \ or java [-options] -jar jarfile [args...] \ (to execute a jar file) \ where options include: \ -d32 use a 32-bit data model if available \ -d64 use a 64-bit data model if available \ -server to select the "server" VM \ The d < 1355511552 343964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("abc"); < 1355511561 668324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("abcd"); < 1355511567 562195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcd < 1355511569 454210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for < 1355511576 668504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Good merge < 1355511586 286674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I can get a device map with ls < 1355511607 691593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I write it down I can compare the partition layout to figure out which device is which < 1355511609 36276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/k < 1355511610 957600 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1355511613 29268 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork ALL the processes < 1355511616 281441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps/k < 1355511617 838685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interps/k: No such file or directory < 1355511620 869864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1355511664 730426 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355511679 439407 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps < 1355511681 90640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355511688 56292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("Giving Gregor the benefit of the doubt by trying again"); < 1355511705 217178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: Gregor: No such file or directory \ Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily una < 1355511716 49885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat interps/gcccomp < 1355511717 592557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: interps/gcccomp: Is a directory < 1355511718 927419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat interps/gcccomp/gcccomp < 1355511720 414341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ LANG="$1" \ \ case "$LANG" in \ c) \ HEAD='#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nint main(int argc, char **argv) {' \ TAIL='; return 0; }' \ EXT='c' \ GCC='gcc' \ FLAGS='-std=gnu99' \ ;; \ \ c++) \ HEAD < 1355511732 516380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy vey X-D < 1355511734 315027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that $1 be $0 < 1355511745 895397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::::::::: < 1355511745 973840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1355511746 46931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::::::::: < 1355511746 47109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1355511746 47231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. lib/interp < 1355511747 795384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interp_file "./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp $1" < 1355511750 275979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how this could possibly work < 1355511878 791718 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355512128 266640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah the device map was definitely off < 1355512207 924411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wow, debian gave me 800x600 on a 1680x1050 monitor < 1355512219 880609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need catalyst < 1355512231 440590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gnome 3? < 1355512262 833586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need gnome 3 < 1355512267 415094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't < 1355512272 590452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it installed it? < 1355512275 718691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you install stable or something < 1355512277 149531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused by debian testing gave me gnome 3 < 1355512280 504304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, testing < 1355512284 5176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's testing < 1355512286 927412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get the install media from < 1355512291 388909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unetbootin < 1355512297 285123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :netinstall < 1355512300 306839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did unetbootin get the install media from < 1355512301 113901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said testing < 1355512323 469506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the magic drop down box, with the option marked "netinstall_testing x86-64" < 1355512332 525690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway let me check lsb_release < 1355512347 662444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wheezy < 1355512352 24259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one that is < 1355512387 123129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing < 1355512563 496750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:( : | : & );: < 1355512564 994287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :(: not found < 1355512577 235959 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash -e ':( : | : & );:' < 1355512578 907053 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: - : invalid option < 1355512579 268590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want run < 1355512586 299738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( : | : & );: < 1355512587 838746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( : | : & );:' < 1355512590 300723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355512593 300865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1355512595 29585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ ibin \ ibins \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355512598 382843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash -c ':( : | : & );:' < 1355512600 470302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1355512600 543400 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: - : invalid option \ Usage: bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ --debug \ --debugger \ --dump-po-strings \ --dump-strings \ --help \ --init-file \ --login \ --noediting \ --noprofile \ --norc \ --posix \ --protected \ --rcfile \ --restricted \ --verbose \ < 1355512602 501693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ pastaquote \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ p < 1355512611 304962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( : | : & ); : < 1355512612 969633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( : | : & ); :' < 1355512614 97602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( echo test );: < 1355512614 963573 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to do the command right. < 1355512615 737905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `echo' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( echo test );:' < 1355512620 241304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :{:|:&};: < 1355512621 420679 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355512621 897545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `}' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:{:|:&};:' < 1355512624 336374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, wrong syntax < 1355512624 868367 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1355512627 781399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try not fucking up < 1355512631 865612 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ echo test };: < 1355512633 554046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512643 333429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory sucks < 1355512644 231264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell X-D < 1355512646 938415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ echo test };a < 1355512648 502302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512654 796497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay this /IS/ broken < 1355512681 893663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ echo test; };a < 1355512683 608361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1355512686 100300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355512687 946707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1355512690 841898 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355512692 585027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512695 430789 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&};: < 1355512697 1903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&};:' < 1355512703 104452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1355512705 133657 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwell, I'm lazy. < 1355512706 234411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax fail < 1355512707 311567 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, beat me to it < 1355512707 389200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs a space < 1355512716 828325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&}; : < 1355512718 160504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&}; :' < 1355512720 563168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&} : < 1355512721 608836 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo a formatting fail) < 1355512722 312626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};: < 1355512722 889941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&} :' < 1355512724 473694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512727 46086 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are these forkbombs so difficult! < 1355512735 45811 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{SPACE: < 1355512736 260398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ : | : & } ; : < 1355512738 53519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512747 772750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};: < 1355512749 697435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512751 914703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355512834 125902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that unlike the metacharacters ( and ), { and } are reserved words and must occur where a reserved word is permitted to be recognized. Since they do not cause a word break, they must be separated from list by whitespace or another shell metacharacter." < 1355512847 40439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd if=/dev/zero of=aaaa < 1355512855 72127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File size limit exceeded < 1355512859 126235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355512869 169799 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this seems pretty silly of course < 1355512885 401401 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there I go with my earth logic again < 1355512901 189836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: There was something equally silly related to whether a thing is on one line or not, too. < 1355512966 910266 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: reinvent shell syntax < 1355512998 557214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a rererereinvention at this point. < 1355513009 418492 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, it's a sign, I should try scheme shell < 1355513025 868614 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexprs would be a big improvement < 1355513246 267630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355513247 880633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa \ bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ ibin \ ibins \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355513250 138486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm aaaa < 1355513253 464301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355513393 355714 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355514722 707254 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355514749 460877 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515121 17678 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515200 15581 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515202 330364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :675) I have a program to tell you how far away Jupiter is. It is 4.33 units far. < 1355515203 400535 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515204 818036 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515205 134732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :648) i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one" < 1355515206 666166 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515208 75708 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515209 186441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) 3 = 7/2 < 1355515209 459904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :33) I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary < 1355515210 269923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :793) You can't quote me. < 1355515253 678880 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515253 791317 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355515253 791461 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515278 704909 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either 648 or 793 I guess < 1355515287 21153 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are good < 1355515447 881270 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return Nothing < 1355515448 911591 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :648 and 793 are bad but i think some people (elliott??) like 648 < 1355515449 742073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 (Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))) < 1355515449 975871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from ... < 1355515458 310853 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355515462 308090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return $ Just 3 < 1355515464 226883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 (Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))) < 1355515464 323981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from ... < 1355515471 110611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what are you trying to do < 1355515475 23879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1355515481 498790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, nevermind < 1355515489 691229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 3 :: Maybe Integer < 1355515491 369063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1355515500 241394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe Integer < 1355515502 244258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1355515537 700502 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was trying to do < 1355515548 972886 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1355515581 802711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return :: Maybe Integer < 1355515583 775569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1355515583 869956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1355515590 324458 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a Haskell-like shell, I wonder? < 1355515595 491911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know about buzz filtering as an alternative to /ignore? < 1355515599 114535 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashell < 1355515624 247257 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yep that turned up actual results. thank god for uncreativity and portmanteaus < 1355515630 215008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaces the text someone sends with "Bz bzzzz, bzz bzzz" and such < 1355515635 205374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355515640 799194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if IRC clients implement this but it is popular on MIT Zephyr < 1355515647 74472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that sounds funny for the first 10 minutes < 1355515649 885426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasnail < 1355515656 342046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION high-fives Bike ,o/
< 1355515658 510427 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an irssi ignore script that blacks out ignored text < 1355515661 16689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't remove it < 1355515667 298311 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can hilight it if I want to read it < 1355515673 814529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you resist highlighting it < 1355515675 469034 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it easier to follow conversations where one person is ignored < 1355515683 861217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you don't see where they posted things so it gets confusing < 1355515687 945124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like who someone is responding to < 1355515698 162354 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I like this approach < 1355515702 726411 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hilighting things in putty is annoying >_>;; < 1355515706 228208 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've played with Gale once < 1355515708 151671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's a clever solution < 1355515740 301621 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Yammer, which seems to have been down since forever < 1355515741 897646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://privatepaste.com/9de8939130 < 1355515741 970945 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355515764 650072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of icky because I have no idea how to write perl < 1355515796 918388 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's possible to write perl that isn't at least somewhat icky, i think you're good < 1355515806 930193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: wow, Gale is even more obscure than Zephyr < 1355515904 601225 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it via Wikipedia < 1355515911 614935 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that is some of the clearest Perl I've seen in a while TBH :-P < 1355515913 358852 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1355515927 551830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I copied it from another script, the only thing I changed was the theme_register line < 1355515933 590281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1355515934 411998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Gale is only used by current and former sysadmins for the student computing group at Caltech < 1355515939 500757 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, I guess you *do* have no idea how to write perl properly :o) < 1355515946 40730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff XD < 1355515946 369922 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1355515958 332352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see that CUPS XSS thing? < 1355515960 614760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems strictly worse than /ignore, except that you don't get confused. < 1355515968 223288 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl being line noise jokes, teehee < 1355515975 163701 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, strictly better < 1355515979 931690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1355515987 270911 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, suppose someone is flooding the channel < 1355515987 661367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should report my bugs. < 1355515991 726743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in that book as well < 1355516000 774130 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to fix that would probably be to coalesce multiple bzz lines into one < 1355516003 349535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And order that book, I guess. < 1355516011 944214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: or use a temporary /ignore then < 1355516015 887263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just count on ops kicking flooders < 1355516021 454656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason I ignore is because of people who frustrate me or are creepy or something < 1355516025 87132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because of like, spambots < 1355516032 870565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ops usually take care of those < 1355516042 43880 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hashell "works only with old GHCs" :-/ < 1355516048 208586 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or services I guess. though I don't know if esper does auto-ban for flood < 1355516053 579684 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! the horror < 1355516075 271938 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload date: Sun Jan 18 04:12:50 UTC 2009 < 1355516114 84578 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: freenode boots you off the network if you send lines too fast, but there is no ban that I know of < 1355516121 542376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so just a kick < 1355516149 17563 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freenode spammers i've seen usually hit enough channels to wake up an oper and get themselves k-lined < 1355516160 85768 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, off the whole network rather than just off the channel < 1355516193 443566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there was a spam thing where people spammed links that had javascript in the background that enlisted their own computer as a bot to connect to irc and spam more links < 1355516202 433365 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ever see me quitting with "Excess Flood" it's because my connection failed hard enough that several of my messages got backlogged and sent all at the same time :-/ < 1355516250 103307 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the server sees them arrive with no delay between messages and assumes I'm Up To No Good) < 1355516262 510831 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you mean the thing kmc was talking about like, yesterday < 1355516281 637391 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really < 1355516282 863911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed it < 1355516313 475159 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some webpage that sent a specially crafted POST to freenode, that looked like connecting to irc + spamming the link < 1355516314 232249 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds think alike < 1355516329 840546 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode now interprets "POST" to mean "QUIT" for this reason :-D < 1355516334 168478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... XD < 1355516343 311326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a solution < 1355516346 680624 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :points for creativity < 1355516347 274184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other HTTP verbs < 1355516358 213158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact XMLHttpRequest lets you use almost arbitrary verbs < 1355516367 835852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think you can do other HTTP verbs than GET and POST cross-domain, can you? < 1355516373 993028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without support from the other server, anyway. < 1355516377 888906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355516393 215659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does XHR even let you do cross-domain GET/POST? < 1355516399 68650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without the CORS dance?) < 1355516404 383234 :popl!~1024@unaffiliated/popl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355516406 30081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant with the CORS thing. < 1355516418 893747 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORS? < 1355516423 13213 :popl!~1024@unaffiliated/popl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this channel for esoteric programming languages? < 1355516426 496737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I wrote a somewhat complicated system to do cross-domain communication over