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00:04:47 <zzo38> oerjan: Who is evil hth?
00:04:55 <zzo38> hagb4rd: What shade of pink is the new red?
00:05:00 <oerjan> shachaf hth
00:27:26 <quintopia> it amuses me that ais uses the word "whilst"
00:27:29 <quintopia> whilst
00:27:31 <quintopia> whilst
00:27:33 <quintopia> hehehe
00:28:48 <Taneb> I have no qualms over using "whilst", but I know not when to use it rather than the somewhat more common "while"
00:29:05 <kmc> use it when you want to sound smart
00:30:33 <oerjan> i just use it once in a whilst
00:32:04 * FireFly wonders when oerjan's stock of hth's will run out
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00:41:39 <Jafet> You can steal them hth
01:36:08 <quintopia> i know it means hope this helps, but i can't help reading it "how the hell"
01:37:00 <elliott> does anyone know how to find out what's outputting audio w/ alsa
01:37:02 <elliott> i bet kmc knows
01:37:28 <kmc> install pulseaudio
01:37:41 <elliott> no :(
01:37:43 <kmc> now your problem is solved because nothing can output audio
01:38:25 <kmc> maybe something like: lsof | grep /dev/snd
01:38:52 <quintopia> elliott: someone explained this to me a week or two ago
01:38:54 <quintopia> let me consult
01:39:27 <Jafet> lsof +D /dev/snd
01:41:10 <quintopia> lsof
01:41:20 <quintopia> is the answer
02:17:00 <zzo38> I fixed the clicking in the music
02:17:38 <monqy> good
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03:13:50 <kmc> hulu put an ad for pie right after a scene prominently featuring pie
03:13:58 <kmc> well played
03:23:30 <Jafet> Well, there are some prominent pie scenes where this wouldn't work.
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03:53:56 <zzo38> There is Haskell program "pandoc" to convert formats, so I make "panchess" which is the similar thing but for chess.
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04:01:21 <zzo38> Who is azaq23 anyways?
04:04:54 <kmc> goatse.cx is becoming a webmail provider
04:05:27 <zzo38> Why don't you just use SMTP?
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05:13:11 <shachaf> `addquote <zzo38> There is Haskell program "pandoc" to convert formats, so I make "panchess" which is the similar thing but for chess.
05:13:14 <HackEgo> 884) <zzo38> There is Haskell program "pandoc" to convert formats, so I make "panchess" which is the similar thing but for chess.
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05:57:18 <zzo38> Do you know how Rutherford chess notation works?
05:58:39 <zzo38> I know some things, but I don't know what the list of Latin words is, and in what way the moves are counted.
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06:19:50 <Sgeo> Rutherford the dog?
06:20:52 <Sgeo> http://books.google.com/books?id=7fTV6dm2mM0C&lpg=PA94&ots=DiwQlnOMX0&dq=rutherford%20dog%20calculus%20the%20easy%20way&pg=PA91#v=onepage&q=rutherford%20dog%20calculus%20the%20easy%20way&f=false
06:21:08 <zzo38> I mean Sir William Watson Rutherford
06:27:07 <fizzie> Sir William Watson Rutherford the Dog? (It still does sound like a dog name.)
06:29:18 <Sgeo> I love that book so much
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06:31:21 <zzo38> I mean the the baronet, not the dog.
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07:31:57 <Gracenotes> Sgeo: I learned calculus from that book
07:32:54 <Gracenotes> back in.. 10th grade, I think it was. I liked how it had proofs, or proof sketches at least.
07:34:22 <shachaf> hi Gracenotes
07:34:36 <shachaf> `welcome Gracenotes
07:34:40 <HackEgo> Gracenotes: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
07:34:52 <Gracenotes> >:X >>:X
07:41:44 <zzo38> I have recently advanced a level in the Dungeons&Dragons game but have not yet updated my character sheet (neither on paper nor on computer).
07:42:00 <Bike> who are you playing with?
07:42:05 <zzo38> I try to decide what to write
07:42:35 <zzo38> Bike: The only other player (other than the referee) is my brother.
07:42:46 <zzo38> Sorry, I am wrong.
07:42:49 <zzo38> He is out.
07:43:03 <zzo38> However, my mother is now in.
07:45:19 <Bike> ok
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09:16:41 <AnotherTest> Hello
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10:12:16 <adminivan> hi everyone!
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10:17:07 <elliott> hi
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10:53:43 <oerjan> <quintopia> i know it means hope this helps, but i can't help reading it "how the hell" <-- THAT MAY FIT TOO HTH
10:57:47 <oerjan> <zzo38> However, my mother is now in. <-- * realizes zzo38 must have a pretty cool family
11:00:46 <zzo38> "If the promoted piece is not available, FIDE rules are that the player should stop the game clock and summon the arbiter for the correct piece." Has anyone attempted to take advantage of this rule?
11:02:00 <oerjan> well wouldn't anyone who promotes a second queen, say, have to use it? or do they have more than one set available?
11:02:09 <coppro> zzo38: unlikely
11:02:14 <coppro> the amount of advantage to be gained is slim
11:02:35 <oerjan> oh you mean just to get more time
11:02:57 <oerjan> after all, _both_ players can use that time.
11:03:07 <zzo38> Yes, to get more time, is what I mean.
11:03:25 <coppro> the time gained would be in the level of minutes at best
11:03:41 <coppro> and given the way time controls work, this is unlikely to be highly relevant
11:06:21 <zzo38> oerjan: I think they do often have one extra queen of each color off of the board; there is a picture where they are behind the clock.
11:08:51 <oerjan> right
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11:15:49 <zzo38> I once read, someone was playing football or something else (I do not remember); the winning team was winning by one point and they needed two points to win the tournament. Tehre wasn't much time left, so they scored their own goal, making the score even so that they could win two points in the tiebreaker. The opposing team did not realize what happened in time to do anything.
11:22:02 <oerjan> yeah there was also that noise during the olympics, was it badminton? where several teams attempted to _lose_ to get easier opponents in the next games...
11:22:22 <oerjan> and it got so bad they were all disqualified
11:23:22 <oerjan> actually those were single players, but many of them
11:23:30 <oerjan> er, doubles
11:25:16 <zzo38> Yes I heard about that.
11:25:47 * elliott heard that too
11:25:52 <elliott> both of them
11:25:56 <zzo38> To me, I consider that a fault with the tournament format, I guess.
11:26:03 <elliott> I think it was some football game in Micronesia or something.
11:26:32 <zzo38> With the game I described though, I consider their tactics legitimate.
11:32:24 <oerjan> "Game designer David Sirlin called the rule system that "gives players an incentive to lose" at an Olympic Games "horrificly [sic] bad", and claimed that the disqualifications were wrongly directing the blame away from the alleged deficiencies of those rules."
11:33:19 <coppro> it happened in a 1998 qualifier in football
11:33:42 <coppro> where two teams were assured to move on, but both wanted the worse seed
11:34:06 <coppro> apparently one guy has managed to score for both teams in a single match in a world cup match
11:39:15 <zzo38> oerjan: I agree with Sirlin on that; I consider it a fault with the tournament format.
11:40:11 <coppro> wtf
11:40:27 <coppro> apparently in basketball, the team captain scores all own goals by the opposing team
11:40:31 <coppro> (in international rules)
11:41:56 <zzo38> The example I gave is different: The team was not trying to lose, they were trying to tie.
11:42:15 <zzo38> coppro: Does it make a difference in basketball who scores what?
11:44:03 <oerjan> presumably they have best player lists across whole tournaments
11:45:28 <zzo38> The alternative to the captain, I guess, would be whoever scores the own goal has one point deducted.
11:47:57 <zzo38> In the basketball game I play on X-BIT, it does keep track of best player lists in several categories, but I don't know if it is even programmed to deal with own goals at all. My team seems to be best in stealing, and I can win with that.
11:51:52 <coppro> zzo38: it matters to statistics
11:54:42 <zzo38> OK
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12:43:55 <oerjan> @remember vagif Sometimes i wish haskell would force me to do other good things in my life. Like for example start doing yoga or aikido again :)
12:43:55 <lambdabot> Okay.
12:44:06 <oerjan> @list remember
12:44:06 <lambdabot> quote provides: quote remember forget ghc fortune yow arr yarr keal b52s brain palomer girl19 v yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw protontorpedo nixon farber
12:44:29 <oerjan> @help remember
12:44:29 <lambdabot> quote <nick>
12:44:29 <lambdabot> remember <nick> <quote>
12:44:29 <lambdabot> Quote somebody, a random person, or save a memorable quote
12:44:52 <shachaf> @quote oerjan
12:44:52 <lambdabot> oerjan says: i only do impractical things
12:44:56 <shachaf> thanks
12:44:56 <shachaf> @quote oerjan
12:44:56 <lambdabot> oerjan says: i only do impractical things
12:44:57 <FreeFull> @palomer
12:44:57 <lambdabot> Hrmph, looks like I killed the channel
12:45:02 <FreeFull> @arr
12:45:03 <lambdabot> Ahoy mateys
12:48:23 <fizzie> @ghc
12:48:24 <lambdabot> ghc says: magic number mismatch: old/corrupt interface file?
12:48:31 <fizzie> The fun.
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13:57:49 <ais523> whew, this is fun
13:58:02 <ais523> currently trying to update another computer that has about 2.8GB disk space total on the only partition that works
13:58:15 <ais523> (I'm thinking about blowing away the entire disk and repartitioning from scratch)
13:58:37 <oerjan> i'm glad both you and fizzie are having fun today
13:58:43 <ais523> (it was a Windows machine originally, and probably heavily malware-infested; we installed Linux but couldn't resize any of the partitions but the recovery partition to make room for it)
13:59:09 <fizzie> @ghc
13:59:09 <lambdabot> ghc says: Exotic pattern inside meta brackets
13:59:13 <fizzie> Now I've had fun twice today.
13:59:40 <ais523> so the problem was, it ran out of disk space halfway through updating the kernel
14:00:01 <ais523> you can have fun guessing at the problems this caused, and the solutions
14:00:11 <ais523> oh, and it's a deb/apt-based system (Ubuntu), this is relevant
14:01:13 <fizzie> I think I remember a review of a Lenovo laptop that had a "128 GB" SSD, of which approximately 50-60 GB was free out of the box, what with about half being partitioned off for a recovery thing, and the OS + cruft taking something too.
14:02:07 <elliott> ais523: if only you used a package manager with atomic updates
14:09:16 <ais523> elliott: hmm, perhaps
14:09:33 <ais523> btw, that computer is using the wrong screen resolution, and believes the graphics card to be "VESA", which is very generic
14:09:47 <ais523> anyone know how to determine what sort of graphics card it actually has, so I can search for how to find the relevant drivers?
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14:12:46 <Jafet> lspci
14:15:59 <ais523> right, thanks
14:16:05 <ais523> I knew it was something like that, I just couldn't remember exactly
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14:30:56 <nooodl> elliott: do you know what i could add to/remove from zeptobasic to make it more esoteric
14:30:56 <lambdabot> nooodl: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
14:30:58 <nooodl> oops
14:31:21 <elliott> no but oerjan does.
14:31:48 <nooodl> ooh
14:32:02 <ais523> nooodl: removing everything but the absolute minimum is a standard way to make languages esoteric, or possibly lambda calculus
14:32:13 <ais523> (although lambda calculus is pretty eso in its own right)
14:32:25 <nooodl> monqy said it had been discussed here before so i guess i'll read the logs
14:33:44 <nooodl> also i've implemented a brainfuck translator without using things like mul, div, pow... so i could get rid of those, but that's kind of a boring thing to do
14:33:50 <elliott> `pastelogs zeptobasic
14:34:28 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3806
14:34:35 <nooodl> <oerjan> the precise way in which ZeptoBasic is esoteric seems to elude me.
14:34:50 <nooodl> right now the esoteric things are a) the implementation, b) the way arrays work
14:34:58 * oerjan swats elliott -----###
14:35:18 <elliott> hm thats interesting because <nooodl> for now lie to elliott and tell him the esoteric part is how it's implemented
14:35:33 <elliott> oerjan: hth?
14:35:33 <nooodl> i was lying to monqy...
14:35:42 <oerjan> >_<
14:35:44 <elliott> where do the lies end
14:35:51 <nooodl> no actually that's a truth because
14:35:53 <elliott> is there any truth in your web of deceit.....................................................................
14:35:57 <shachaf> ≥≤
14:35:59 <oerjan> nooodl: hey i know change it so it lies about _everything_!
14:36:05 <nooodl> saying that is just, not true, i mean, it's not part of the language
14:36:08 <shachaf> ≥≤
14:36:11 <nooodl> you could implement the spec in a really boring normal way
14:36:12 <oerjan> that would be esoteric for sure
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14:37:37 <nooodl> monqy: hi
14:37:48 <monqy> hi nooodl
14:37:51 <nooodl> sprunge is down so i couldn't read your lambdabot message
14:38:00 <monqy> oops
14:38:29 <shachaf> monqy: welcome aboard
14:38:52 <nooodl> anyway i discussed zeptobasic with monqy yesterday and there's some other interesting things about it *because* of the way it's implemented
14:39:54 <nooodl> any two-argument function in python's "operator" module is a valid opcode, because it just imports those to implement add/sub/mul/div/pow/mod
14:40:01 <nooodl> (and lt/le/eq/ne/ge/gt
14:40:36 <nooodl> so there's actually some undocumented string operations? which is cool
14:45:33 <elliott> IMO as derivative languages with zepto in the name go my zepto is cooler
14:45:54 <nooodl> monqy told me about that
14:46:16 <elliott> `pastelogs zepto
14:46:17 <oerjan> surely zalgo is better than zepto
14:46:23 <nooodl> <monqy> you should consult with elliott before throwing ZEPTO around
14:46:25 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18808
14:46:27 <elliott> oerjan: fuck you. you don't understand zepto life
14:46:42 <nooodl> <monqy> i forget everything about zepto
14:46:42 <nooodl> <monqy> except that it's a way of life
14:46:45 <Sgeo> Isn't zepto that language that elliott wanted to make when I became obsessed with picolisp?
14:46:51 <nooodl> elliott: what is zepto life
14:47:29 <elliott> Sgeo: its the way of life i adopted
14:48:08 <elliott> man I miss news-ham too
14:48:10 <elliott> that was such a good bot
14:48:14 <elliott> monqy: remember news-ham?
14:48:18 <monqy> yeahg
14:49:31 <elliott> uh maybe the zepto code is on my backup here
14:49:33 <elliott> lemme seeeeeeeeeeee
14:50:23 <elliott> monqy: whats 2011-04 in letters
14:50:39 <nooodl> ??
14:50:50 <monqy> april??
14:50:56 <elliott> thanks
14:51:01 <nooodl> i was thinking april 2011 but that couldn't've,,
14:51:03 <elliott> monqy understands me
14:51:05 <nooodl> elliott...
14:51:17 <monqy> i had to count on my fingers
14:51:22 <nooodl> monqy...
14:51:23 <elliott> yeah i would have too
14:51:26 <elliott> so i decided to outsource the work
14:51:39 <Jafet> The month unnameable in six words
14:52:01 <nooodl> i'm snickering
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16:51:19 <Taneb> "Rather than circumvent the laws of physics Greg Kumparak has relied on augmented reality (AR)." -- BBC news website
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17:55:29 <fizzie> This candle looks weird: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121224-candle.jpg
17:55:37 <fizzie> It's getting this kind of a rim thing.
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18:43:04 <kmc> "The shells were propelled at such a high velocity that each successive shot wore away a considerable amount of steel from the rifled bore. Each shell was sequentially numbered according to its increasing diameter, and had to be fired in numeric order, lest the projectile lodge in the bore, and the gun explode."
18:45:05 <Bike> where are you getting these from?
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18:52:23 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun
18:53:32 <Bike> what is it with germans and ridiculous artillery
18:53:51 <Fiora> they also had those ridiculous tanks, right?
18:53:55 <Fiora> the plans for the 1000 ton and 1500 ton tank
18:54:00 <Bike> i don't think they ever actually built the maus
18:54:35 <Bike> partly because of the whole "can knock over buildings by sweeping its turret, but would break apart over a trench" aspect probably
18:55:21 <Bike> " its accuracy was only good enough for city-sized targets" what a phrase.
18:57:59 <fizzie> They didn't build the Ratte either.
19:01:32 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon so... they used rocket boosters in a gun?
19:03:00 <fizzie> My book said that's unlikely.
19:03:08 <Bike> your book?
19:03:13 <fizzie> Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article seems to disagree.
19:03:34 <fizzie> A book I bought.
19:03:37 <fizzie> It's a work of humour.
19:03:45 <fizzie> So perhaps it's not the best reference source either.
19:04:30 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyman-Haskell_multi-chamber_gun_1883.jpg
19:05:14 <fizzie> But to a complete amateur in guns it does sound kind of unlikely that a regular rocket booster in a fixed position, giving thrust for K seconds, would be all that useful for boosting a projectile that's supposed to travel at 335 metres per second.
19:06:01 <Bike> well, the germans did a lot of things that seem kind of ridiculous in retrospect.
19:06:46 <fizzie> That Lyman-Haskell gun doesn't sound like it'd be using rocket boosters either.
19:07:01 <Bike> it wouldn't, i meant the v3.
19:07:19 <fizzie> Yes, but why would it work any better there?
19:07:35 <Bike> I just said they used them, not that they worked :P
19:07:49 <Bike> "The guns were not particularly effective; from the 142 rounds that landed in Luxembourg, total casualties were 10 dead and 35 wounded."
19:08:37 <fizzie> If it fired something to Luxembourg, I'd still classify it as "working", at least from some points of view.
19:08:48 <ais523> elliott: http://esolangs.org/wiki/International_transportation
19:08:51 <fizzie> Perhaps not from the "is a good idea at all" one.
19:08:57 <ais523> I'm not sure I can even consider that spam
19:09:04 <ais523> look where the link goes :)
19:09:18 <monqy> good esolang
19:10:10 <fizzie> Bike: Anyway, the book was My Tank Is Fight, and I liked reading it, but I don't think it was really billed as a necessarily authoritative source.
19:10:18 <Bike> oh, i've heard that's a fun book.
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19:26:50 <kmc> one V-2 rocket cost as much as four heavy tanks
19:27:13 <kmc> but they had no gasoline to run the tanks
19:27:20 <kmc> so... maybe they should have developed tanks that run on rocket fuel
19:27:34 <kmc> there were such programs for submarines i believe
19:28:22 <Fiora> My Tank is Fight, that was the SA book about insane german military vehicle designs right?
19:28:26 <kmc> yes
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20:42:55 <nooodl_> are there any esolangs where the source code is just a directory full of empty files and subdirectories containing more empty files?
20:43:55 <monqy> sounds like a "syntax thing"
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20:58:58 <kmc> cute idea but yeah
20:59:00 <kmc> syntax is boring
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21:19:32 <FreeFull> Is there any esolang where the source code is pictures of naked women?
21:28:23 <monqy> yes
21:29:26 <zzo38> LenPEG is, isn't it?
21:34:50 <fizzie> Arguably that's an image compression algorithm, not an esolang.
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22:18:36 <zzo38> dnd/option/Mind_Detector.p
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22:25:52 <oerjan> Merry Christmas, I Guess
22:26:36 <Taneb> oerjan, what are you doing in GMT+2?
22:27:07 <oerjan> i'm not, but christmas officially starts 17 pm 24 dec here
22:28:01 <Taneb> ...
22:28:16 <oerjan> er
22:28:23 <oerjan> * 17:00
22:28:47 <oerjan> bit of redundant redundancy
22:29:08 <oerjan> that's when the church bells customarily sound
22:30:09 <oerjan> and it lasts until either Jan 6 or Jan 13, dependent on who you ask. hth.
22:30:32 <oerjan> (christmas, not the church bells. otherwise i'd probably emigrate.)
22:32:42 <fizzie> We have "the declaration of Christmas peace" (a public event in Turku, relevised and radioed) at noon on the 24th.
22:32:45 <oerjan> <fizzie> This candle looks weird: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121224-candle.jpg <-- this candle looks not loading
22:33:04 <oerjan> fizzie: *tadioed
22:33:33 <fizzie> Some people count that as the start moment of Christmas. (Some don't.)
22:33:45 <fizzie> (I had another thought right there but I forgot it.)
22:34:34 <fizzie> Good thing the candle doesn't load, since it looks much more impressive now, after four more hours alit. I'll take a daylight picture tomorrow.
22:35:28 <fizzie> Oh, right: the shops close at the moment the peace is declared.
22:36:30 <fizzie> (We got some bell peppers and onions bought at like 11:30am this year, after getting back so late from the Stockholm ferry.)
22:37:58 <oerjan> <ais523> I'm not sure I can even consider that spam <-- you can consider it off topic hth
22:38:14 <oerjan> or you could, if you were here
22:38:22 <oerjan> @tell ais523 <ais523> I'm not sure I can even consider that spam <-- you can consider it off topic hth
22:38:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
22:38:59 <zzo38> If it was up to me it would start on the winter solstice.
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22:58:45 <zzo38> dnd/option/Kjugobe_Psionic_Hack.p
22:58:50 <zzo38> Do you like these psionic powers?
23:06:24 <Taneb> What does "hth" even mean
23:06:31 <Taneb> Is it a face
23:06:50 <nooodl_> "happy to help"?
23:08:18 <Taneb> Huh
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23:16:17 <oerjan> "hope this helps"
23:16:42 <oerjan> but i guess "happy to help" usually fits just as well
23:19:47 <Taneb> "hold the horses"
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23:26:06 <Taneb> Goodnight, guys
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23:33:57 <Sgeo> elliott, what is your opinion of elliottcable?
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