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02:16:30 <DHeadshot> Merry Christmas to all!
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04:05:02 <kmc> 'The just-formed Red Army used at least one armoured tram during the fighting for Moscow in the October Revolution in 1917'
04:05:10 <kmc> http://strangernn.livejournal.com/95459.html http://strangernn.livejournal.com/89525.html
04:05:58 <Bike> awesome
04:38:03 <kmc> not as good as the pub tram
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05:16:50 <kmc> merry christmas #esoteric
05:21:13 <quintopia> u2
05:25:31 <Jafet> *pagans*
05:26:01 <kmc> happy solstice and perihelion
05:26:12 <Fiora> merry post apocalypse celebrations
05:38:43 <quintopia> heppy newtonmas
05:41:16 <kmc> funny how newton's birthday is billed as a non-religious alternative to christmas
05:41:27 <kmc> given that newton was crazy religious and into alchemy and all that
05:41:55 <Bike> could you get many war on christmas people to believe with his nuttiness, though?
05:45:31 <kmc> doubtful
05:50:39 <Bike> there should be a fringe sect called the Newtonians.
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05:59:35 <zzo38> Did Newton do alchemy because chemistry wasn't invented yet?
06:00:57 <quintopia> no
06:01:10 <quintopia> he did alchemy because he was a bit of a nutcase in his old age
06:01:23 <quintopia> the fact that chemistry didnt exist yet was just incidental
06:01:35 <zzo38> Are you sure?
06:02:25 <quintopia> pretty sure
06:04:18 <kmc> he believed a lot of occult shit that does not hold up to the standard of empirical rationality that is often pinned on him by modern day rationalists
06:04:43 <Bike> i'm sure he only found out where solomon's temple was through bayesian inference.
06:05:53 <kmc> 'Newton was also a member of the Parliament of England from 1689 to 1690 and in 1701, but according to some accounts his only comments were to complain about a cold draught in the chamber and request that the window be closed.'
06:06:21 <quintopia> haha
06:06:32 <Bike> isn't there a book about his time at the Mint
06:06:48 <kmc> probably many
06:07:00 <kmc> it's a major plot point in the Baroque Cycle
06:07:31 <zzo38> Yes I know he was religious and that stuff
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06:13:32 <zzo38> But some other scientists were also religious. Some weren't. You can be good scientist either way, but you have to not confuse the science by religious stuff. However, Newton may have made this mistake once.
06:14:51 <kmc> just once?
06:15:04 <zzo38> Well, I don't actually know how many times, so I guessed.
06:15:40 <Bike> with significant figures that could be anywhere from 1/2 to 3/2 times, kmc, be generous
06:15:49 <kmc> heh
06:19:18 <kmc> of course newton was a great scientist
06:20:05 <zzo38> But everyone makes misktakes.
06:20:11 <Bike> it's weird reading in retrospect about him doing experiments to show things like additivity of momentum that just seem obvious now
06:22:09 <Jafet> People in the next century will consider the standard model obvious
06:22:12 <kmc> why is it obvious
06:22:16 <Jafet> Actually they probably won't, but we can hope
06:22:39 <kmc> people in the next century will be too busy drowning and having awesome virtual reality sex to care about the standard model
06:22:47 <zzo38> Even if it is obvious, you should try by experiment sometimes. It is how to make science!
06:22:54 <Bike> the /standard model/?
06:22:56 <Jafet> Damn, next century sounds really fun.
06:23:19 <Bike> i thought the standard model was universally considered weird as hell
06:23:33 <Fiora> science will be taken over by the evil empire of asexuals
06:23:44 <Fiora> while everyone else has VR sex, we will take over the galaxy
06:23:51 <zzo38> There will be an evil empire which consists of asexuals?
06:24:07 <Jafet> The frustrated empire
06:24:10 <Bike> the only thing that can stop you is VR cuddle simulations
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06:26:10 <kmc> if you want a vision of the future, imagine a boob slapping a human face forever
06:28:19 * ion imagines a manboob slapping kmc’s face forever.
06:28:49 <Fiora> all the men end up inside sex sims, society becomes matriarchal?
06:30:21 <kmc> women like sex too
06:30:24 <kmc> study shows
06:31:26 <kmc> film at 11?
06:31:36 <Fiora> yes but do most women want boobs slapping their faces
06:31:57 <Jafet> This calls for science
06:32:11 <kmc> even for straight guys i think it would get old after about 5 or 10 minutes
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06:32:16 <zzo38> I don't want. Well, if you want, that is OK, I guess, but I don't want.
06:32:56 <Bike> an admirable attitude.
06:33:01 <Fiora> yeah, I can't exactly speak for sexual people but I'd be shocked if most people didn't get bored of that kind of thing
06:33:04 <kmc> zzo38 is perhaps the greatest deadpan comedian of our age
06:33:18 <kmc> yeah
06:33:22 <Fiora> like everyone would have lots of VR sex for a few days and then they'd be like "okay, I'm bored, can we play something else"
06:33:37 <Bike> sim city.  just you watch.
06:33:46 <kmc> farmville
06:33:56 <kmc> gameify sex
06:34:04 <Bike> god that sounds depressing.
06:34:10 <kmc> make it joyless and compulsive
06:34:34 <Bike> the world ends not with fire or with ice, but with Cow Clicker
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06:35:02 <kmc> that's numberwang!
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06:36:32 <Bike> do i get a prize?
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06:37:16 <Fiora> kmc: wow, I'm having horrible thoughts now with that combination    like   buying unlocks for sex and I don't even know
06:37:25 <Fiora> F2P sex    just   why    how   agh why does this thought exist
06:37:32 <kmc> As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.
06:37:52 <zzo38> Is there a fourth prize?
06:40:09 <kmc> no
07:01:22 <zzo38> I made up some psionic powers for Dungeons&Dragons game, which includes "Kjugobe's Psionic Hack"; if you roll the number high enough, it will affect a spell/power by one of the available options, which includes: changing a compass direction, changing a school, changing a descriptor, changing a creature type, toggle dismissibility, etc.
07:01:55 <zzo38> This may be used for many possibilities.
07:08:39 <zzo38> Try to use this to add the force, death, language-dependent, or mind-affecting descriptors to a fireball spell.
07:11:45 <kmc> what will happen?
07:17:02 <zzo38> It is unknown, but what I might expect: Force makes it damage the ethereal plane too. Death means if it does enough damage to kill the target(s), they cannot be resurrected except by very powerful resurrection. Language-dependent would damage only the targets who speak the same language as the caster.
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07:45:04 <kmc> hey, Z3 is open source now: http://z3.codeplex.com/
07:45:21 <kmc> this is microsoft's allegedly very good SMT solver
07:53:36 <ion> kmc: http://z3.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/89c1785b7322#LICENSE.txt
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07:58:45 <Sgeo> ooh, lispy
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08:00:51 <Bike> how can it be lispy, i see a ++ right there!
08:03:49 <kmc> yeah i didn't look to see if the license is OSI compatible or whatever
08:04:02 <kmc> just, the source is now easily available and it was not before
08:04:18 <Bike> also: i thought you meant amazon's thing and was confused
08:14:31 <Jafet> Isn't it a theorem somewhere that open source solvers are crap
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13:06:26 <oerjan> <kmc> if you want a vision of the future, imagine a boob slapping a human face forever
13:07:11 * oerjan imagines a book instead, just to twist the reference further
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14:34:29 <GreyKnight> `run lua -e 'Happy,Ch,ri,st,ma,s=table.remove,"may rippChs!Hast",25,{3,4,1,2,2,3,4,2,1,2,7,3,4,7,24,25},{},""function Q(k)k=(k+st[1])/st[2]Happy(st,1)Happy(st,1)return k end for w in Ch:gmatch("..")do ma[#ma+1]=w end for i=1,#Ch,2 do ri=Q(ri)s=s..ma[ri]Happy(ma, ri)end print(s)'
14:34:31 <HackEgo> Happy Christmas!
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14:42:39 <oerjan> > sequence [] :: [()]
14:42:41 <lambdabot>   Couldn't match expected type `()' with actual type `[a0]'
14:43:21 <oerjan> as expected
14:50:13 <oerjan> > sequence []
14:50:14 <lambdabot>   No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 [a0]))
14:50:15 <lambdabot>    arising from a use of `M230292...
14:50:46 <oerjan> there's apparently a bug in ghc 7.4.2 which makes that give [] :: [()]
14:51:03 <GreyKnight> kids these days and their M230292s
14:51:23 <oerjan> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/2012-December/011145.html
14:53:00 <oerjan> :t sequence
14:53:01 <lambdabot> Monad m => [m a] -> m [a]
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14:54:52 <GreyKnight> zzk
14:54:56 <GreyKnight> oops
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14:58:57 <oerjan> oh, someone explained it, there's an IO monad involved.  or is there...
14:59:25 <GreyKnight> IO seems to be involved in quite a lot of places that don't seem to involve actual I/O :-P
14:59:29 <oerjan> ok mystery solved, not actually a bug (but confusing)
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14:59:40 <oerjan> GreyKnight: i didn't think IO would be used for defaulting
15:00:07 <GreyKnight> :t unsafeHappyChristmas
15:00:08 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `unsafeHappyChristmas'
15:00:12 <oerjan> > sequence [] :: IO [()]
15:00:14 <lambdabot>   No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO [()]))
15:00:14 <lambdabot>    arising from a use o...
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15:00:43 <GreyKnight> it's 15:04 on Christmas Day and I haven't opened presents yet :-/
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15:17:13 <GreyKnight> happy Christmas monqy (also hi)
15:17:28 <monqy> hi
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15:39:52 <fizzie> Hey, my VLC icon has a santa hat on it.
15:40:21 <fizzie> It seems to be something that was already there in 2008.
15:42:00 <GreyKnight> fizzie: where's fungot?!
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15:43:51 <fizzie> GreyKnight: There.
15:44:40 <GreyKnight> Happy Christmas fungot!
15:44:41 <fungot> GreyKnight: haskell forced me to download dr scheme? fnord! the riemann hypothesis.") for an example of match-letrec:
15:45:10 <fizzie> fungot: Did your time offline break your mind a bit? 
15:45:11 <fungot> fizzie: and by time i mean effort in feather
15:46:27 <GreyKnight> Oh, fungot was trying to understand Feather... mystery solved
15:46:28 <fungot> GreyKnight: oh oh okay
15:46:59 <GreyKnight> exactly
15:48:43 <fizzie> fungot: Don't try to understand Feather, you might get all scrambled up.
15:48:44 <fungot> fizzie: alternatively, isbn?). i asked it too." that's what i
15:48:52 <fizzie> Oh no, I think it's still trying.
15:50:03 <GreyKnight> why does he need an ISBN?  I think fungot is planning to publish a book on Feather!
15:50:04 <fungot> GreyKnight: in fnord fnord fnord.
15:50:24 <GreyKnight> fnording bells, fnording bells, fnording all the way
15:52:24 <fizzie> fungot: Seriously, dude, lay off the Feather. You know what your brain on Feather looks like.
15:52:25 <fungot> fizzie: but yeah, that's the best idea so far. but people don't need training to use social pressure to enforce conformance it's completely natural
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15:57:44 <GreyKnight> fungot: this is your brain on Feather: ᚛ U+169B OGHAM FEATHER MARK
15:57:45 <fungot> GreyKnight: a cake with a file port, you pass the turing test like that? :) ( i'm attracted to these types of problems)) and i said
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16:06:56 <oerjan> there are too many thinking about feather now, we might be approaching singularity
16:08:11 <GreyKnight> Thinking of Feather you forget everything else....
16:09:40 <quintopia> fizzie: the santa hat has been on the icon all month. you clearly don't vlc much
16:12:28 <fizzie> I don't see the icon much, since it's only in the empty window where I see it.
16:12:59 <fizzie> Oh, I guess it's also in the notification area.
16:13:32 <fizzie> But I don't VLC much, that's also true. I mostly just mplayer instead. (Except it barfs on these subtitle files.)
16:14:27 <quintopia> ah
16:14:39 <quintopia> i dont watch movies as much as i stream music
16:17:31 <GreyKnight> Pah, *I* stream my movies over telnet (telnet to telehack.com and type "starwars")
16:18:35 <DH____> This ^
16:19:33 <DH____> (The number of us here on Christmas day is actually kind of tragic...)
16:20:02 <GreyKnight> well, I'm in my sickbed :-(
16:21:19 <fizzie> I stream my movies over SSH and mplayer -vo caca.
16:21:21 <fizzie> (Not really.)
16:22:11 <quintopia> i don't stream my movies
16:22:22 <fizzie> Though I've done ssh + "mplayer -vo caca tv://" to access local TV channels back when I had a TV tuner card. Once or twice. For five minutes or so.
16:22:28 <quintopia> i go to a theater or to a friend's house that has the dvd
16:35:22 <fizzie> oerjan: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121225-candle2.jpg  I'm sure you're just FASCINATED by the candle.
16:36:01 <GreyKnight> The ongoing saga of fizzie's candle
16:36:37 <oerjan> OOH HOW DOES IT BURN THROUGH THE GLASS LIKE THAT
16:36:55 <fizzie> What glass? 
16:37:11 <oerjan> oops
16:38:00 <oerjan> NOW I UNDERSTAND
16:38:02 <fizzie> The upper rim is where the candle originally ended. Maybe. I think it may have sunk a little.
16:39:01 <fizzie> But it's somewhere around 15-20 cm long in total, I don't know how long it can keep that up.
16:47:44 <Sgeo> elliott, monqy Fiora Taneb there was an update a number of hours ago
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17:11:42 <Jafet> Счастливые распада СССР!
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17:27:30 <fizzie> Have you eaten in one of the restaurants of the PECTOPAH chain? Those are like EVERYWHERE there.
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17:29:23 <kmc> did you know that World War I was the end of the fall of the Roman Empire?
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17:49:41 <quintopia> ^command
17:50:02 <kmc> well the german empire, ottoman empire, and austro-hungarian empire all claimed to be descended from the roman empire in some capacity
17:50:05 <quintopia> i cant type backtick here someone post it
17:50:14 <kmc> have a backtick: `
17:50:53 <quintopia> thx kmc
17:51:05 <quintopia> because they all are
17:51:06 <Jafet> > repeat '\96'
17:51:07 <lambdabot>   "``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````...
17:52:06 <quintopia> `addquote <fizzie> Have you eaten in one of the restaurants of the PECTOPAH chain? Those are like EVERYWHERE there.
17:52:10 <HackEgo> 885) <fizzie> Have you eaten in one of the restaurants of the PECTOPAH chain? Those are like EVERYWHERE there.
17:54:46 <fizzie> It's someone else's joke, really. :/
17:55:03 <GreyKnight> I don't get it '_'
17:55:53 <fizzie> GreyKnight: Perhaps http://translate.google.com/#ru/en/%D0%A0%D0%95%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%9E%D0%A0%D0%90%D0%9D will help.
17:56:11 <fizzie> Unless the uncertainty was about kmc's thing.
17:56:51 <GreyKnight> no, that one I got
17:56:55 <fizzie> (It's the Cyrillic letters for "RESTORAN", pretty much.)
17:56:55 <GreyKnight> okay!  Now it makes sense
17:57:02 <Jafet> The funny bit is when they find out how "PECTOPAH" is actually pronounced.
17:57:20 <fizzie> Jafet: Yeah, it's actually pronounced "Pepito-Bismol".
17:57:37 <fizzie> Or is that Pepto. I guess it's Pepto.
17:57:44 <fizzie> It's not a brand that I think is sold here.
17:57:50 <Jafet> PEPTO-BAP
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18:08:16 <quintopia> Jafet: i don't think i would want to drink at the rerto bar. that's not a very classy name.
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18:10:35 <fizzie> But would you use rerto vars in your program? 
18:12:06 <quintopia> foo bar baz rerto
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19:26:04 <GreyKnight> `quote 540
19:26:05 <HackEgo> 540) <itidus20> what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number by simply looking at it
19:26:12 <GreyKnight> I do that all the time
19:27:15 <Bike> oh right, that rock is a two.  and that one's a seventeen.  and that one is chaitin's constant for 2,3 machines.
19:27:43 <Fiora> an uncomputable rock?
19:28:54 <Bike> only a countable infinity of rocks are computable, you know `-`
19:29:15 <GreyKnight> '-'
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19:57:42 <kmc> i miss itidus
19:57:47 <kmc> `quote
19:57:48 <HackEgo> 874) <oerjan> i think the problem is you're trying to interpret finnish as logic.
19:57:51 <kmc> `quote
19:57:52 <HackEgo> 869) <fungot> elliott: sorry, i don't know, some more booze and now, if you eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat! contains exactly the items!
19:57:57 <kmc> `quote
19:57:59 <HackEgo> 88) <Miya> I perceived it so hard I actually went away :O
19:58:08 <kmc> fungot: why don't you respond to HackEgo?
19:58:08 <fungot> kmc: what kind of a lot of fnord for g :)
19:58:36 <oerjan> well that explains it
19:59:10 <fizzie> ^ignore
19:59:11 <fungot> ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|cuttlefish)!
19:59:39 <fizzie> fungot: It's Christmas, you're allowed to eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat! Even all the items.
19:59:40 <fungot> fizzie: ok. i read the conversation. it was an implementation issue, unrelated to the hack of attaching some scheme code.
20:00:31 <kmc> who's cuttlefish?
20:00:39 <kmc> fungot: do you like cuttlefish?
20:00:39 <fungot> kmc: this has footnotes for cl/ scheme controversy. i think
20:00:55 <fizzie> I'm sure there was a bot by that name.
20:01:01 <kmc> cuttlefish are so cool
20:01:15 <fizzie> Eventually, fungot's ignore list is going to evolve to be over the maximum IRC line length limit.
20:01:16 <fungot> fizzie: for regular modules, see also http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ plt-scheme/ 2005-january/ fnord
20:01:49 <Sgeo> Grah, stupid typoing a domain name and being led to some survey bs
20:02:21 <fizzie> There was an "^echo ~echo ^echo" botloop with cuttlefish/fungot.
20:02:22 <fungot> fizzie: true but we don't like guile people assume that the input stack might be easier
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20:03:39 <Sgeo> o.O Life of Pi doesn't have anything to do with the number, does it?
20:03:39 <Sgeo> :(
20:03:49 <fizzie> It didn't seem to.
20:03:53 <fizzie> (I saw a trailer.)
20:03:55 -!- Bike has joined.
20:04:18 <fizzie> It's just the guy in it.
20:04:27 <fizzie> "Piscine Molitor 'Pi' Patel".
20:04:55 <fizzie> "He was named Piscine Molitor Patel after a swimming pool in France. He changes his name to "Pi" when he begins secondary school, because he is tired of being taunted with the nickname "Pissing Patel"."
20:04:59 <fizzie> That all sounds very reasonable.
20:05:16 <kmc> "Did You Notice? The iGrill is the first Bluetooth cooking thermometer with Facebook integration."
20:05:23 <Sgeo> Pissing pi is better?
20:06:14 <Bike> does that mean it cooks bluetooth
20:11:33 <kmc> it actually uses 2.4 GHz radio waves to cook your meat for you
20:11:40 <kmc> this revolutionary new technology brought to you by apple
20:13:02 <Bike> isn't that a microwave
20:15:34 <ais523> fizzie: you can't produce a botloop with just echoes, right?
20:15:34 <lambdabot> ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
20:15:36 <ais523> unless it echoes twice
20:16:37 <fizzie> ais523: Like fungot's echo does.
20:16:38 <fungot> fizzie: and there is free space at that point where it gets this one right, namely plt.
20:16:41 <fizzie> ^echo Does it echo here? 
20:16:42 <fungot> Does it echo here?  Does it echo here? 
20:16:57 <fizzie> Oh no, my space-after-? syndrome is visible there.
20:17:56 <ais523> fizzie: right
20:18:01 <ais523> ^echo +echo %echo
20:18:02 <fungot> +echo %echo +echo %echo
20:18:07 <ais523> aha, I see how that works
20:18:29 <oerjan> ^echo Does it echo here?
20:18:30 <fungot> Does it echo here? Does it echo here?
20:19:46 <monqy> ^echo echo
20:19:47 <fungot> echo echo
20:20:28 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/ITHc  I'm the worst.
20:21:24 <monqy> yikes. 
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20:43:19 <hagb4rd> braben braben braben.. i'm so fucking disappointed. we won't be able to land on planets in elite 4.. fuck you, i want my money back
20:44:11 <hagb4rd> evil scumbag
20:45:54 <hagb4rd> now infinity is the last hope
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20:55:36 <hagb4rd> zzo38: i know you haven't coded anything for now, but do you have any papers on that astronomy/astrology project of yours?
21:31:55 <zzo38> hagb4rd: No papers, just a subpage of my esolang user page.
21:34:03 <zzo38> http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Astro-Q    it currently contains a single link, to the esolang list of ideas in one of the list items.
21:36:14 <nooodl> what is this
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22:01:10 <hagb4rd> zzo38: well yes. that's a bunch of ideas, and to be honest i understand only half of them. but you mentioned problems finding a language for implementation.. can you give an example which of that goals would be difficult or let's say impossible to implement?
22:01:37 <hagb4rd> only if you find the time of course
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22:03:44 <hagb4rd> basically i would start implementing some geometric rules for the movement of the celestial bodies
22:04:54 <hagb4rd> guess, it would be hard to implement the movement of stars in our galaxy
22:06:16 <hagb4rd> but more due to the leak of information we have than to the insufficiency of programming languages
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22:09:42 <hagb4rd> (considering stuff like dark matter or black holes etc)
22:14:28 <Arc_Koen> would it be so hard?
22:14:49 <Arc_Koen> "we" have a whole lot of information about block holes
22:15:32 <hagb4rd> that's true, but i don't know how complete they are.. maybe we could work with some kind of approximation
22:15:46 <Arc_Koen> plus, usually the information we don't have maps to what we haven't been able to watch, so you could model what we have seen
22:16:17 <Arc_Koen> (and modeling what we can't see would be more fiction than science, wouldn't it?)
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22:17:35 <hagb4rd> but iirc correctly newtons rules fail at explaining how galaxies behave (in fact they would be torn apart or even never exist) without the "concept" of dark matter
22:19:20 <hagb4rd> so it's more like "look this star doesn't behave as expected.. there must be some dark matter there"
22:20:07 <hagb4rd> making the movements kind of ..yes ..unpredictable
22:20:20 <hagb4rd> but maybe that's not the point
22:21:12 <oerjan> ...surely there is a lot of missing informatino.  they are not even sure of the accurate distance to the star betelgeuse.
22:21:31 <hagb4rd> orion
22:21:40 <hagb4rd> <3
22:21:45 <oerjan> i said distance, not direction :P
22:22:04 <hagb4rd> which leads to the idea of making the background of stars static
22:22:23 <GreyKnight> Galaxies seem to revolve as if they were a more-or-less solid disk with stars embedded in it
22:22:23 <GreyKnight> whereas you'd expect there to be more of a velocity gradient across the radius
22:22:24 <hagb4rd> like they are in the zodiac
22:22:26 <oerjan> *on
22:22:27 <GreyKnight> for example, if you look at the solar system the inner planets revolve faster than the outer ones
22:22:32 <hagb4rd> thx
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22:23:23 <hagb4rd> i don't know how significant the movement of stars is in astrology
22:25:16 <oerjan> stars move too slowly to matter for human lifetimes
22:25:51 <GreyKnight> we can actually measure the same rotation problem in other galaxies than our own (you may argue it is actually easier since there isn't as much dust and crap obscuring line of sight to the constituent stars)
22:26:03 <GreyKnight> ("dust and crap": actual scientific terminology)
22:26:14 <hagb4rd> aw we can measure them.. thats true
22:26:23 <oerjan> before modern times, they didn't even know stars moved.
22:26:30 <hagb4rd> but it's difficult to make a prognose?
22:26:35 <hagb4rd> is that the word? sorry
22:27:30 <oerjan> prognosis is a word
22:27:50 <hagb4rd> thx again oerjan
22:28:01 <GreyKnight> I don't understand what you *mean* by that word here however :-P
22:29:54 <hagb4rd> GreyKnight: i wanted to point out that they would be difficult to predict just doing calculations.. which is the only way we can compute.. isn't it?
22:30:20 <hagb4rd> okay, sure we have sensors
22:30:28 <hagb4rd> input
22:30:48 <GreyKnight> what is it you want to predict?  We can predict the galaxy's rotational velocity if that's what you mean
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22:31:35 <hagb4rd> greyknight: the rotation of galaxies is too fast for galaxies to exist
22:32:26 <GreyKnight> the most confusing part about the rotational velocity is that it's constant across the disk: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_problem for a neat little video demonstrating this
22:33:12 <GreyKnight> the left-side galaxy image shows what you'd expect based on the visible stars and our current understanding of gravity, the right-side shows what is actually observed
22:33:27 <hagb4rd> yes
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22:34:42 <GreyKnight> at the outer edges it is indeed "too fast" but it's the overall curve rather than a specific level
22:34:51 <hagb4rd> but zzo38 mentioned other problems too.. problems of a more i.t. nature
22:34:53 <GreyKnight> \ which is the strange bit
22:34:54 <oonbotti> ERROR:Word not found
22:35:06 <GreyKnight> \hello
22:35:13 <GreyKnight> \ hello
22:35:13 <oonbotti> ERROR:Word not found
22:35:18 <GreyKnight> hm!
22:35:22 <hagb4rd> a new bot?
22:35:28 <hagb4rd> coool
22:35:33 <ais523> oonbotti's been here for a while
22:35:36 <ais523> I just don't remember what it does
22:35:47 <hagb4rd> didn't even notice
22:36:17 <oerjan> oonbotti: what is it you do again
22:36:17 <oonbotti> oerjan: Why do you ask?
22:36:23 <nortti> ais523: it can either interpret forth, execute/compile c programs or talk
22:36:28 <GreyKnight> oh, I haven't actually read zzo38's link from scrollback
22:36:32 <nortti> #help
22:36:32 <oonbotti> You can get help about specific command with #help <command>. Commands: #echo, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth, #eliza, #/etc/passwd
22:36:36 <oerjan> oonbotti: because there were people wondering.
22:36:36 <oonbotti> oerjan: Is that the real reason?
22:36:39 <kmc> dark matter is composed of stars surrounded by dyson spheres constructed by long-dead civilizations
22:36:42 <kmc> maybe
22:37:21 <Deewiant> #help #help
22:37:22 <oonbotti> No help available on "#help"
22:37:22 <hagb4rd> :D
22:37:31 <ion> kmc: hehe
22:37:33 <oerjan> \ 1 2 + .
22:37:33 <oonbotti> 3 
22:37:50 <nortti> the forth implementation is bit sucky
22:37:53 <GreyKnight> hagb4rd: okay zzo38's link is very confusing.  I didn't know astrology was so ~complicated~
22:38:01 <oerjan> oh, it's not a full forth?
22:38:15 <oerjan> not that i remember much more of it :P
22:38:24 <nortti> \ words
22:38:24 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
22:38:39 <oerjan> no control flow?
22:38:44 <nortti> yeah
22:39:03 <nortti> too lazy/busy with other projects to implement those
22:39:03 <oerjan> saves me having to remember how that worked
22:39:07 <nortti> :P
22:39:28 <nortti> condition if if_true else if_false then
22:39:51 <GreyKnight> flow control is for losers B-)
22:40:22 <fizzie> \ : foo r> dup >r . ; foo
22:40:22 <oonbotti> 8 
22:40:56 <oerjan> hm...
22:40:57 <nortti> \ .
22:40:57 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:41:07 <nortti> interesting
22:41:11 <nortti> \ words .
22:41:11 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:41:20 <nortti> \ : bar ; .
22:41:20 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:41:24 <fizzie> \ : foo r> dup >r . ; 1 drop foo
22:41:24 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:41:51 <nortti> somewhere 8 magickaly apperead
22:42:05 <fizzie> From the return stack, presumably.
22:42:15 <nortti> quite possible
22:42:40 <fizzie> I was just wondering whether it was counting words, hence the "1 drop" attempt to pad things up.
22:42:48 <nortti> ah. it is r> dup >r, not >r dup r>
22:43:15 <fizzie> Yeah, in fact it was just a r@.
22:43:24 <nortti> \ r@
22:43:28 <nortti> \ .
22:43:28 <oonbotti> 1 
22:43:47 <nortti> I can't actually remember how that worked
22:43:52 <hagb4rd> `ord \
22:43:54 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ord: not found
22:44:06 <fizzie> ^ord \
22:44:07 <fungot> 92 
22:44:11 <hagb4rd> ah yes
22:44:22 <fizzie> ^ord wasthisthegoodone
22:44:23 <fungot> 119 97 115 116 104 105 115 116 104 101 103 111 111 100 111 110 101 
22:44:29 <hagb4rd> very cool
22:44:35 <fizzie> I think there was one that only did one character.
22:44:38 <fizzie> ^show
22:44:39 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell 
22:44:52 <fizzie> ^asc whichway
22:44:53 <fungot> 119.
22:44:59 <fizzie> Yeah.
22:45:23 <GreyKnight> %? foo
22:45:28 <fizzie> Also the . is maybe a newline or something.
22:45:35 <fizzie> ^show asc
22:45:36 <fungot> >>,[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+10.
22:45:49 <fizzie> Yeah, +10. there.
22:46:03 <fizzie> ^show ord
22:46:03 <fungot> >>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,]
22:46:24 <fizzie> That's pretty much the same except in a loop and with a space.
22:46:35 <nortti> \ : bar foo ; bar
22:46:35 <oonbotti> 5 
22:47:36 <fizzie> \ foo
22:47:36 <oonbotti> 1 
22:47:40 <fizzie> \ 42 foo
22:47:40 <oonbotti> 2 
22:48:02 <fizzie> It does seem somewhat offset-counting-words-y.
22:48:11 <nortti> seems like it
22:48:13 <fizzie> \ .
22:48:13 <oonbotti> 42 
22:48:22 <fizzie> Persistent stack, too.
22:48:35 <nortti> \ : bar @r . foo ; bar
22:48:35 <oonbotti> 7 
22:49:17 <oerjan> \ : cont r@ >r ; : test cont 1 + . ; 1 test
22:49:17 <oonbotti> 2 
22:49:18 <GreyKnight> fizzie: what does http://sprunge.us/ITHc show?
22:49:32 <oerjan> bah :(
22:50:05 <fizzie> GreyKnight: Count the number of times each person has said a line ending in "? " (space following a ?) on #esoteric in my logs.
22:50:05 <zzo38> You don'tnecessarily need to compute all movements if you have precalculated ephemeris data
22:50:24 <fizzie> GreyKnight: (And then provide a top-ten.)
22:50:44 <GreyKnight> oh of course
22:50:46 <hagb4rd> wb zzo38
22:50:58 <nortti> \ : bar r@ . foo ; bar
22:50:59 <oonbotti> 14 14 
22:50:59 <kmc> zzo38: what do you think about dark matter
22:51:00 <GreyKnight> I misread it as counting lines starting with "%?" and thought it was some bot... >_>
22:51:08 <GreyKnight> (I am slightly out of it due to sick)
22:51:51 <hagb4rd> zzo38: okay.. but what about the incompleteness of programming languages you mentioned to be a problem
22:51:59 <fizzie> The 'LIKE' wildcards are pretty stupid. (% is * and _ is ? in globby terms.)
22:52:51 <zzo38> kmc: I don't know much about dark matter; maybe some are stars which don't emit light, maybe some are made of something else
22:53:13 <oerjan> \ .
22:53:14 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:53:34 <oerjan> \ words
22:53:34 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET BAR + DROP 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
22:53:45 <zzo38> kagb4rd: I did not mention that to be a problem; the problem is incompleteness of existing programs and libraries
22:53:54 <GreyKnight> \ words words words
22:53:54 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET BAR + DROP 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> : ; WORDS FORGET BAR + DROP 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> : ; WORDS FORGET BAR + DROP 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
22:54:42 <oerjan> ^ul ((bullet cluster )S:^):^
22:54:42 <fungot> bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cluster bullet cl ...too much output!
22:55:41 <oerjan> \ cont
22:55:49 <oerjan> \ cont .
22:55:50 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:56:17 <fizzie> ^ul (I like this more )(~:S~:^):^
22:56:18 <fungot> I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I like this more I ...too much output!
22:56:18 <oerjan> \ : test r> . ; test
22:56:22 <fizzie> (I don't know why.)
22:56:34 <oerjan> \ forget test
22:56:37 <oerjan> \ : test r> . ; test
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22:56:52 <oerjan> \ .
22:56:52 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
22:57:20 <fizzie> \ : t 4567 >r ; t
22:57:34 <fizzie> Aw, I was hoping for a fancy error.
22:57:40 <fizzie> \ forget t
22:57:44 <GreyKnight> ^ul (bees )(~:S~:^):^
22:57:45 <fungot> bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees bees ...too much output!
22:57:47 <oerjan> \ words
22:57:47 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET BAR + DROP 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
22:58:10 <fizzie> \ : it useless word here ; forget it
22:58:31 <nortti> :D
22:58:41 <kmc> built myself a Linux 3.7.1 kernel for christmas
22:58:41 <nortti> : forget bar
22:58:44 <nortti> : forget +
22:58:48 <nortti> : forget drop
22:58:51 <nortti> : forget 2dup
22:58:52 <oerjan> ^ul (hah! )a(S:^)*:^
22:58:52 <fungot> hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! hah! ...too much output!
22:58:54 <nortti> : forget test
22:58:57 <nortti> : forget swap
22:58:59 <Bike> handmade gifts are always the best ones.
22:59:00 <nortti> : forget dup
22:59:03 <nortti> : forget cont
22:59:04 <fizzie> nortti: You have the wrong prefix there.
22:59:07 <GreyKnight> kmc: did you giftwrap it?
22:59:36 <nortti> \ forget bar forget + forget drop forget 2dup forget test
22:59:42 <fizzie> \ forget forget
22:59:42 <oonbotti> ERROR:word 'FORGET' cannot be forgotten
22:59:51 <oerjan> \ words
22:59:51 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET SWAP DUP CONT NIP FOO ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:00:00 <nortti> \forget swap dup cont nip foo rot over mod
23:00:07 <elliott> 23:33:57 #esoteric: <Sgeo> elliott, what is your opinion of elliottcable?
23:00:10 <kmc> GreyKnight: i made a debian package, so kinda?
23:00:17 <elliott> Sgeo: he's annoying and dumb and once tried to buy my freenode nickname
23:00:19 <GreyKnight> tar cvzf --giftwrap bzImage
23:00:27 <fizzie> \ : + 0 swap - - ;
23:00:29 <elliott> actually twice tried I guess?
23:00:34 <nortti> \ forget swap forget dup forget cont forget nip forget foo forget over forget mod
23:00:36 <Bike> to... buy?
23:00:36 <fizzie> \ 1 1 + .
23:00:37 <oonbotti> 0 
23:00:46 <fizzie> I think I made it wrong. :/
23:01:09 <GreyKnight> fizzie: what did you do D-:
23:01:11 <oerjan> \ words
23:01:12 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET + ROT  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:01:17 <nortti> \ : + 0 - - ;
23:01:20 <fizzie> Oh, or you just forgot swap before I could run it.
23:01:20 <nortti> \ 1 1 +
23:01:21 <Bike> maybe it's just doing mod 2 arithmetic, jerks
23:01:22 <nortti> \ .
23:01:23 <oonbotti> 0 
23:01:48 <nortti> \ : + >r 0 r> - - ;
23:01:51 <nortti> \ 1 1 + .
23:01:51 <oonbotti> 2 
23:02:04 <nortti> \ words
23:02:04 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET + ROT  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:02:11 <GreyKnight> I got myself minecraft sheet magnets for Christmas :-)
23:02:11 <nortti> \ forget rot +
23:02:19 <GreyKnight> gonna make a house on my fridge~
23:02:22 <nortti> \ forget +
23:02:24 <nortti> \ words
23:02:24 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:02:37 <fizzie> \ forget ;
23:02:37 <oonbotti> ERROR:word ';' cannot be forgotten
23:02:43 <nortti> all of those other words can be defined with current ones
23:03:08 <fizzie> So it was good to get rid of them, since they were useless.
23:03:09 <hagb4rd> eliotts nickname can be neither bought or stolen.. *spookey organ sound* it can only be endowed
23:03:21 <oerjan> \ forget r@
23:03:21 <oonbotti> ERROR:word 'R@' cannot be forgotten
23:03:38 <oerjan> oh wait you need dup without it
23:04:15 <nortti> \ : dup >r r@ r> ;
23:04:45 <hagb4rd> oerjan: have you found some documenation for this bot?
23:05:01 <fizzie> It should be so that it would let you now forget r@.
23:05:12 <oerjan> #help
23:05:12 <oonbotti> You can get help about specific command with #help <command>. Commands: #echo, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth, #eliza, #/etc/passwd
23:05:14 <fizzie> (Because it's just r> dup >r.)
23:05:50 <nortti> \ 1 dup . .
23:05:50 <oonbotti> 1 1 
23:06:08 <nortti> fizzie: it doesn't compile the words but I might do that
23:06:28 <GreyKnight> retroactive forth
23:06:33 <elliott> Sgeo: (why do you ask)
23:06:44 <oerjan> \ r> dup . r> dup . >r >r
23:07:08 <oerjan> hmph
23:07:10 <fizzie> : dup >r r@ r> ; : r@ r> dup >r ; \and that's what you do if you have neither.
23:07:15 <oerjan> \ r@ .
23:07:16 <oonbotti> 2 
23:07:29 <oerjan> \ r> dup . >r
23:07:30 <oonbotti> 4 
23:07:38 <oerjan> \ r> dup . r> dup .
23:07:45 <oerjan> \ r> dup . r> dup . >r >r
23:07:56 <fizzie> \ r@ . r@ .
23:07:56 <oonbotti> 4 4 
23:08:15 <oerjan> \ r> .
23:08:32 <nortti> I think you killed it
23:08:37 <nortti> \ 1 .
23:08:38 <oonbotti> 1 
23:08:46 <fizzie> It seems a bit unpredictable sometimes.
23:08:50 <nortti> \ r@ .
23:08:50 <oonbotti> 2 
23:08:56 <nortti> yeah
23:10:01 <fizzie> Oh, but oerjan's original r> dup . r> dup . >r >r is stack underflow on the return stack.
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23:10:14 <oerjan> \ : test r> dup . r> dup . >r >r ; test
23:10:15 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
23:10:20 <oerjan> oops
23:10:38 <nortti> \ resetenv
23:10:42 <nortti> \ words
23:10:42 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:10:51 <oerjan> \ : test r> dup . r> dup . >r >r ; test
23:10:51 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
23:11:13 <oerjan> why doesn't that work.
23:11:24 <fizzie> Because malice? 
23:11:47 <oerjan> \ : test r> dup . r@ . >r ; test
23:11:58 <oerjan> \ forget test
23:12:00 <oerjan> \ : test r> dup . r@ . >r ; test
23:12:25 <GreyKnight> Error in programmer's brain.  Redo from start.
23:12:54 <nortti> :D
23:12:55 <oerjan> i don't see any error in my brain.
23:13:09 <fizzie> \ : it r> dup . r> dup . >r >r ; : that it ; that forget it forget that
23:13:09 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
23:13:11 <GreyKnight> that's because of the error
23:13:20 <GreyKnight> it affects your onboard debugger as well
23:13:43 <oerjan> well fizzie seems to have the erro rtoo
23:13:47 <fizzie> Yes.
23:14:03 <GreyKnight> fizzie has ALL the errors
23:14:06 <fizzie> \ : it r> dup . r@ . >r ; : that it ; that forget it forget that
23:14:27 <fizzie> Forget it.
23:14:53 <nortti>  fizzie you forgot \
23:15:04 <oerjan> fizzie: i'm not convinced that's a real return stack.
23:15:13 <GreyKnight> \ forget Maud
23:15:13 <oonbotti> ERROR:word 'MAUD' cannot be forgotten
23:15:14 <Sgeo> elliott, I asked a trollish question in #Node.js and he invites me into his channel to look at his programming language
23:15:15 <fizzie> nortti: Where, exactly? 
23:15:22 <Sgeo> That was yesterday
23:15:27 <nortti> 23:14 < fizzie> Forget it.
23:15:38 <fizzie> That was just exasperation.
23:15:44 <monqy> Sgeo: oh what's this
23:15:47 <GreyKnight> If ever I should forget!
23:15:50 <elliott> monqy: remember elliottcable
23:15:54 <elliott> or were you not around for that
23:15:54 <monqy> elliott: ye
23:15:56 <nortti> hagb4rd: what bot?
23:16:13 <monqy> I sorta remember elliottcable and also i remember elliottcable trying to buy your irc name
23:16:21 <hagb4rd> nortti: obviously your bot
23:16:31 <hagb4rd> erm..oonbotti
23:16:39 <nortti> hagb4rd: #help is all there is now
23:16:40 <GreyKnight> I don't know this guy elliottcable but he sounds like a barrel of laughs
23:16:51 <hagb4rd> nortti: k thx
23:16:56 <elliott> monqy: remember how he rejected my offer :,/
23:16:59 <elliott> (my offer was $500)
23:17:16 <monqy> 500$$ enough to pay for him impersonating you & you dealing with it
23:17:18 <hagb4rd> cheap
23:17:40 <nortti> hagb4rd: if you need more info you can ask me
23:17:42 <monqy> by impersonating i mean people mistaking him for you and its his fault because he bought your name and knows what hes doing :')
23:18:04 <nortti> bought elliott's name?
23:18:16 <oerjan> \ words
23:18:16 <oonbotti> : ; WORDS FORGET THAT + DROP IT 2DUP TEST SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD  >R * - / . R@ R> 
23:18:29 <hagb4rd> nortti: thank you.. will do so
23:18:45 <oerjan> \ forget test : test r> dup . r> >r >r ; test
23:18:45 <oonbotti> ERROR:Stack underflow
23:18:58 <oerjan> \ forget test : test r> dup . >r ; test
23:18:58 <oonbotti> 10 
23:19:06 <Bike> the list of words looks like song lyrics
23:19:19 <kmc> http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rcs/research/interactive_latency.html
23:19:20 <Bike> forget that & drop it, 2dup, test swap nip mod it
23:19:48 <oerjan> baby spam me one more time
23:19:52 <oerjan> wat
23:20:01 <oerjan> s/spam/swap/
23:20:10 <elliott> ais523: fantastic page
23:20:12 <oerjan> htf did i misspell that
23:20:16 <Sgeo> Why is everyone suddently interested in Forth?
23:20:22 <kmc> hahahaha
23:20:23 <ais523> elliott: re my message?
23:20:26 <ais523> or re something else?
23:20:29 <Bike> because there's a bot with it
23:20:29 <oerjan> Sgeo: because oonbotti has a broken one
23:20:33 <elliott> Bike: i mentally read that to the beat of technologic :/
23:20:36 <elliott> ais523: re the wiki page
23:20:37 <nortti> Sgeo: because my bot has half-assed implementation
23:20:40 <Bike> elliott: exactly
23:20:40 <elliott> international transportation
23:21:09 <ais523> yes
23:21:09 <elliott> monqy: have you seen it
23:21:16 <ais523> I think it was an attempt at spam but they couldn't figure out how to do the link
23:21:30 <monqy> elliott: you mean international transportation? yeah i've seen it. really good.
23:21:30 <ais523> (example.com is what gets inserted by the "add link" button in MediaWiki)
23:21:38 <ais523> should we just userfy it?
23:21:44 <elliott> no we should just leave it
23:21:45 <elliott> forever
23:21:47 <ais523> OK
23:21:49 <ais523> it's your wiki :)
23:21:54 <elliott> well maybe there is a good reason not to
23:22:02 <elliott> but right now i can't see how touching this page could possibly improve the world
23:22:02 <monqy> elliott: i also showed nooooooooooodl
23:22:12 <Bike> you could integrate it with the interactive latency page
23:22:15 <elliott> arguably we should feature it
23:22:19 <ais523> huh, I sort-of forgot nooodl was here
23:22:25 <Bike> esolang based on a hundred and fifty million cache hits per netherland
23:22:30 <ais523> how did half of #acehack end up in #esoteric?
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23:22:37 <nooodl> i blame monqy 
23:22:40 <monqy> what
23:22:47 <ais523> (admittedly I can see how the channels would appeal to the same sorts of people)
23:22:47 <nooodl> you brought me in here! well, maybe elliott, too
23:22:47 <monqy> i'm not to blame
23:22:53 <monqy> it was 100% elliott
23:22:56 <elliott> huh, example.com's design changed
23:22:58 <ais523> nooodl: I don't think I did directly, but perhaps I did
23:23:03 <nortti> someone create esolang named international transportation
23:23:08 <nortti> quick
23:23:09 <ais523> huh, indeed it did
23:23:11 <monqy> nortti: um it exists already
23:23:16 <ais523> now it looks like a Firefox error page but slightly uglier
23:23:16 <monqy> haven't you seen the page
23:23:20 <monqy> (it's on the wiki)
23:23:29 <nooodl> nah i was definitely brought here by either monqy or elliott
23:23:34 <elliott> if anyone makes a language named international transportation i'm not adding a disambiguation page, sorry
23:23:39 <elliott> that's the price you pay
23:24:02 <monqy> remember my name is johny what the f**k
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23:24:11 <nooodl> when we were discussing #esoteric in our super secret channel, by "our" i mean monqy and me, elliott has abandoned it; i blame elliott
23:24:12 <monqy> remember that other langauge, remember newkitten, remember
23:24:44 <ais523> nooodl: there are super secret channels I'm not in?
23:25:02 <nortti> ais523: yes
23:25:14 <ais523> hmm
23:25:32 <Sgeo> This is the second example.com redesign that I remember...
23:25:33 <oerjan> <ais523> how did half of #acehack end up in #esoteric? <-- everyone does, eventually.
23:26:06 * monqy . o O ( who designs example.com???????????????can I design example.com )
23:26:11 <ais523> Sgeo: yeah, the first one was when it got redirected to that page at iana.org
23:26:16 <nooodl> even asiekierka (i know asiekierka from like 20 million communities)
23:26:17 <ais523> monqy: the IANA own the page
23:26:29 <monqy> but which person at IANA did the deed
23:26:31 <ais523> or at least, nobody owns the page by definition, but its nameserver entries point at the IANA's server
23:26:44 <monqy> which individual sat down and made the codes for example.com
23:27:05 <GreyKnight> I know another elliott who might want to buy your nick.  Maybe we can start a bidding war.
23:27:08 <Bike> The Codes
23:27:33 <Sgeo> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/iana.org/comment?utm_source=addon&utm_content=rw-viewsc#page-2
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23:27:34 <Sgeo> wat
23:27:34 <Bike> maybe they could buy a nick from elliot.
23:27:41 <ais523> or eliot
23:27:49 <ais523> (not eliott, that's an abomination)
23:27:58 <Bike> oh dant, elliot is online right now
23:28:08 <monqy> maybe a nick from elliottt
23:28:09 <ais523> eliott hasn't been online for 4 weeks
23:28:14 <monqy> Q: is there an elliotttt
23:28:18 <elliott> monqy: theres actually an elliottt
23:28:21 <elliott> haskell dude
23:28:22 <monqy> elliott: i know
23:28:27 <elliott> i get mistaken for him fairly frequently
23:28:30 <monqy> im asking about elliotttt
23:28:32 <ais523> yep, but elliottt hasn't been seen for 28 weeks
23:28:34 <elliott> (i can tell because someone asks me about galois)
23:28:36 <Bike> eliotttt's up for grabs!!
23:28:41 <ais523> yeah, eliotttt isn't registered
23:28:43 <GreyKnight> How many elliotts know Haskell?  Is this a thing?
23:28:44 <elliott> er as in the haskell company galois
23:28:44 <Sgeo> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/example.com#page-74
23:28:45 <Bike> elliott: like the groups, or
23:28:47 <Bike> oh.
23:28:49 <monqy> how about ellioott
23:28:50 <monqy> how about ellioot
23:28:53 <Sgeo> It's a propaganda site. This is the so-called "scholar" who published a creationist book with pictures stolen from the internet, and which labeled a photo of a fishing fly as an actual insect. "
23:28:53 <monqy> how about elioot
23:28:54 <ais523> you can have eelliott too if you want
23:28:59 <hagb4rd> ehird is quite uniqe
23:29:01 <elliott> GreyKnight: me elliottt and conal are the only ones I know
23:29:03 <hagb4rd> *was
23:29:04 <Sgeo> ^^^from the MyWOT page about ... example.com
23:29:07 <Fiora> eelliioott
23:29:09 <Sgeo> I surrender.
23:29:15 <ais523> Sgeo: it's probably a cunning troll
23:29:28 <elliott> the aforementioned elliott is in #haskell but i dont think he knows it
23:29:31 <elliott> ais523: whats..... cunning about it
23:29:40 <Sgeo> "Mitracycles.com is a website used to scam and fraud people! Its part of a huge indonesian scam! ""
23:29:41 <GreyKnight> s/cunn/bor/
23:30:01 <monqy> "Informative for Netwokring"
23:30:19 <ais523> elliott: have you seen how stupid regular trolls are?
23:30:49 <monqy> I hit the > button and the message is "Ooops, something went wrong.  Please try again later"[sic]
23:31:02 <hagb4rd> someone said adjectives were only for the weak spirited.. but i don't agreee with that.. at least most of the time
23:31:04 <ais523> there's a ≥ button?
23:31:14 <ais523> wait, that's a different ≥
23:31:17 <hagb4rd> for some reason i cannot forget it
23:31:18 <ais523> what was yours? an underlined >?
23:31:19 <Bike> no, the > button
23:31:21 <monqy> it's a > button but it turned into > when i hovered it
23:31:31 <nooodl> \x08>
23:31:36 <monqy> hi
23:31:39 <nortti> hi
23:31:46 <nooodl> hey
23:32:02 <oerjan> hagb4rd: adjectives ruin the brain, don't use them ever
23:32:18 <hagb4rd> oerjan: maybe
23:32:43 <monqy> nooodl: any luck on that
23:33:08 <nooodl> i've almost forgotten about it already
23:33:22 <monqy> you should unforget
23:34:02 <elliott> what's <GREEN>that</coler>
23:34:29 <GreyKnight> The use of adjectives cripples the mind; their teaching should, therefore, be regarded as an offense.
23:34:30 <nooodl> adding a fresh twist to zeptobasic
23:34:45 <GreyKnight> is this a colour-sensitive programming language
23:34:47 <nooodl> for it to be actually eso- instead of just a -lang
23:34:54 <nooodl> not yet...
23:34:57 <monqy> green(c)zeptobasic(c)nooodl
23:35:06 <monqy> (c)god????
23:35:40 <nooodl> that's not eso- at all though, look at colorforth
23:35:52 <elliott> colorforth is pretty esoteric...
23:36:13 <nooodl> hmm. yeah probably
23:36:24 <nooodl> i think it's unintentionally so
23:37:33 <elliott> i am sure chuck moore realises his languages are unconventional
23:38:18 <Bike> "Produces extremely compact programs."
23:38:51 <nooodl> chuck moore has more languages like this??
23:38:54 <Taneb> ~ATH is colour sensitive
23:38:57 <elliott> nooodl: well he invented forth...
23:39:03 <nooodl> yeah
23:39:22 <monqy> Taneb: spec?????
23:39:31 <Taneb> Non-existent!
23:39:31 <GreyKnight> suggestion: have three colours (r/y/b) which are separate threads of execution.  Commands in combined colours execute in multiple threads simultaneously (e.g. orange commands execute in both red and yellow)
23:39:33 <nooodl> forth is pretty... normal?
23:39:36 <Taneb> It's a fictional programming language!
23:39:39 <monqy> :(
23:39:55 <nooodl> monqy: dont worry it doesn't make sense so it's no big deal
23:39:59 <monqy> :)
23:40:04 <GreyKnight> Taneb: that is no excuse!
23:40:05 <monqy> alt. :(
23:40:09 <elliott> if you think forth is normal you don't know forth
23:40:21 <Bike> "An idiosyncratic programming environment, the colors simplify Forth's semantics, speed compiling, and are said to aid Moore's own poor eyesight"
23:40:23 <GreyKnight> Klingon is fictional and it has entire volumes of stuff
23:40:40 <GreyKnight> and as for Quenya
23:40:49 <elliott> Bike: you should try the colorforth OS; it's an experience
23:40:52 <nooodl> it's about as normal as a stack-based programming language from the 70s could be
23:40:56 <monqy> is lojban fictional
23:41:00 <nooodl> no :(
23:41:09 <elliott> nooodl: forth isn't just about the stacks.
23:41:23 <Bike> «There is some controversy about colorForth marginalizing color blind programmers, but Moore has stated that color is only one option for displaying the language. One of Moore's papers on colorForth was printed in black and white, but used italics and other typographical conventions to present source code.»
23:41:41 <monqy> what about fully blind programmers
23:41:47 <monqy> how do you pronounce hello
23:42:02 <nooodl> look i can't handle this vagueness in every single thing you ever try to tell me about
23:42:08 <elliott> well
23:42:09 <monqy> how do you feel goodbye
23:42:10 <nooodl> just tell me why you think forth is esoteric plain and simple
23:42:16 <elliott> if you want to know why forth is interesting then you should learn forth
23:42:25 <Bike> elliott: when you say "an experience" do you mean like a http://www.members.tripod.com/cpu_bios/ experienc
23:42:38 <monqy> how do you taste codes
23:42:40 <ais523> forth isn't really that eso
23:42:41 <hagb4rd> monqy: depends on the set and the setting
23:42:50 <ais523> but it isn't in the same direction as more ordinary langauges either
23:42:54 <elliott> i don't really feel compelled to explain everything about forth to you so that you'd understand it just because you wrongly stated that colorforth is chuck moore's only weird language...
23:43:17 <hagb4rd> maybe the blind could taste colors using lsd-25
23:43:19 <elliott> Bike: this reminds me of losethos
23:43:20 <elliott> Bike: what is it
23:43:35 <GreyKnight> monqy: we should have a taste-based esolang, please design one kthx
23:43:38 <GreyKnight> on my desk by Monday
23:43:42 <elliott> oh boy losethos got renamed
23:43:47 <monqy> GreyKnight: sounds like a "syntax thing"
23:43:51 <Bike> elliott: schizophrenic's DOS-based OS, though he seems to have taken down the download links
23:43:51 <nooodl> oh my god i remember cpu_bios
23:43:56 <nooodl> from something
23:44:02 <Bike> i think i have some screenshots laying around
23:44:02 <Taneb> ~ATH is based on the concept of deconstructors, and the standard libraries include many deconstructors, for instance the author and the universe
23:44:05 <elliott> Bike: sounds like losethos
23:44:14 <Bike> I don't know what that is but probably
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23:44:28 <elliott> Bike: it's... hard to explain
23:44:29 <nooodl> let's wayback machine this
23:44:37 <elliott> Bike: let's go with "schizophrenic's DOS-like OS" but so much more
23:44:41 <elliott> i wonder if that guy is ok
23:44:46 <elliott> losethos guy that is
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23:44:54 <Bike> Taneb: how does this interplay with on grammatology
23:44:59 <Bike> elliott: sounds fun
23:45:00 <Taneb> And all code is written in near-infinite loops based around the death of things
23:45:07 <Bike> *of grammatology
23:45:11 <nooodl> that depends on what you mean by "ok"!
23:45:19 <nortti> elliott: he has returned under different name
23:45:20 <GreyKnight> Taneb: sounds cheerful
23:45:21 <monqy> GreyKnight: ternary encoding of brainfuck (+ "hello/world" command) where each tribby is 0=bitter, 1=salty, 2=sickeninglyly sweet
23:45:24 <elliott> Bike: it's fun until you start worrying about him
23:45:28 <monqy> GreyKnight: i think this is a good esolang???
23:45:32 <Bike> elliott: i'm used to that
23:45:58 <GreyKnight> @tell Phantom_Hoover monqy is inventing a BF derivative BTW
23:45:58 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:46:06 <Bike> «A troll might ask, "Why not just use DOS?  It was ring-0-only and single-address-map."» oh boy
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23:46:30 <monqy> @ask phantom_hoover spec: 15:45:20 <monqy> GreyKnight: ternary encoding of brainfuck (+ "hello/world" command) where each tribby is 0=bitter, 1=salty, 2=sickeninglyly sweet
23:46:30 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:46:33 <Bike> «It's like a modern, souped-up, multi-tasking, cross between DOS and a Commodore 64.» is the schizophrenia really necessary
23:46:34 <nooodl> http://atomicbios.tripod.com/ mmmmmm
23:46:45 <GreyKnight> Bike: do you have a wayback version of the page?  I want to see this
23:46:58 <Bike> what is it with these people and basic
23:47:16 <elliott> i think losethos is interesting as well as not very good
23:47:19 <Bike> GreyKnight: i haven't looked for one, but i could dig up the forum threads i heard about him from i suppose
23:47:33 <monqy> heyyyy, i remember losethos
23:47:39 <GreyKnight> multitasking DOS, now I've heard everything
23:48:00 <nooodl> HERE it is
23:48:01 <Taneb> Bike, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003926
23:48:04 <nooodl> i remember this guy from /prog/
23:48:05 <nooodl> http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1319987424
23:48:18 <monqy> *sparrowos [be modern, everyone. respect]
23:48:24 <Bike> nooodl: ah yep that's him
23:48:28 <Bike> W++
23:48:34 <nooodl> activate(brain(atomic(chaos(abyss(weather(x))))))
23:48:57 <nooodl> worm.txt contained... a whole bunch of definitions for these i think?
23:49:13 <nooodl> * Contains the new BongDust(x) exploit.
23:49:18 <Bike> wow, i have a lot of pictures of crazy things, but none of them are for W++ specifically
23:49:24 <monqy> * Know how to operate the logic mind.
23:49:26 <nooodl> i found it!!
23:49:27 <nooodl> http://ompldr.org/vYnY2Ng
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23:49:56 <Bike> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12780151/1309996048104.gif yeah oh well
23:50:21 <nooodl> what is this
23:50:23 <Bike> part 5 is "extra functions".  part 6 is "activate super anatomy"
23:50:43 <Bike> i'd like to note, taneb, that this image also involves deconstruction
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23:50:46 <Bike> explain the connection!
23:50:53 <nooodl> WPPA: WORM++ PART A FINAL FORMULAS
23:51:00 <nooodl> guys this part sounds good
23:51:14 <Bike> jesus how long is this
23:51:22 <GreyKnight> nooodl: flat what
23:51:39 <Bike> «During errors in completion of stated impossible healing and transformation, with defects in sexual insight; huge missing pieces wrongly and proudly believed as fulfilled.» this is the best error code ever
23:51:41 <monqy> this worm.txt thing is amazing and it is amazing somebody wrote this
23:52:10 <nooodl> guys
23:52:11 <nooodl> THE 24 STEPS TO FINISHING A PROJECT:
23:52:34 <Bike> http://www.sparrowos.com/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/SparrowOS.BMP oh hell yes.
23:52:43 <nooodl> [Step 20]= VIP, Very Important Project
23:52:45 <Bike> a .BMP.  beautiful
23:53:11 <kmc> you know it's a BMP because it loads from the bottom
23:53:14 <elliott> mmm
23:53:15 <elliott> that logo is new
23:53:16 <elliott> i like it
23:53:30 <elliott> Bike: you should watch the videos; screenshots don't do it justice
23:53:33 <elliott> it's constantly flickering
23:53:37 <elliott> all the window titles are ticker-taped
23:53:38 <monqy> WhiteLord(x)
23:53:38 <nooodl> watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc7UNXQuNEU
23:53:38 <monqy> A very good pure innocent human person who has greatly
23:53:38 <monqy> helped mankind and the universe.
23:53:40 <Bike> we talking cobol on cogs here
23:53:46 <Bike> ticker tape really
23:53:48 <monqy> key(224) = The lords of cell biology godsend.
23:53:58 <GreyKnight> Bike: MODERN KHEMETIC ERA even flatter what
23:54:00 <monqy> Mentality of the Lords of Chaos:
23:54:00 <monqy> Chaos1. When we know all we are violent and lawful.
23:54:00 <monqy> Chaos2. Evil is our essence and we despise anything holy.
23:54:00 <monqy> Chaos3. We are anything we want because we are gods.
23:54:11 <kmc> FEF=TARDIS(SRE||OME)
23:54:20 <monqy> i think w++ is my favorite language
23:54:22 <nooodl> monqy: thats racist
23:54:24 <Taneb> I might try ot write an OS
23:54:26 <Taneb> How hard can it be (tm)
23:54:36 <Bike> GreyKnight: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12780151/ithinkyourecrazy.jpg open your mind
23:54:37 <kmc> someone must feed this document to fungot
23:54:38 <fungot> kmc: why to which? :) the original schemes had that in the first place
23:54:39 <elliott> "no more hollow praise from goofy gays / it's too shallow. deserves nothing but haze"
23:54:46 <elliott> (loseth|sparrow)os is beautiful
23:54:59 <Taneb> It will be the opposite of @ in that it will be awful in every way
23:55:01 <Bike> oh my god it is ticker taping
23:55:07 <Taneb> I shall call it...
23:55:09 <Taneb> �@
23:55:10 <monqy> Bike: yes
23:55:19 <elliott> Bike: i've seen a picture like that dropbox link before
23:55:20 <Bike> is... is this the bible he's looking at
23:55:21 <elliott> maybe the same one?
23:55:22 <elliott> in here I think
23:55:26 <nooodl> Show.  Show don't tell.  /  Know your own hell.
23:55:51 <Bike> elliott: i don't remember linking it here, but some people like me find these things amusing and collect them, so it's possible.  also they all sort of blend together after a while
23:55:57 <nooodl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSTyl-gfQg the animations in this one
23:56:00 <nooodl> the reverb
23:56:01 <kmc> VITA: BongDust(x) = Imagine smoking these in bong.
23:56:02 <GreyKnight> nothing makes any sense anymore
23:56:18 <Bike> "Songs generated randomly (by God)"
23:56:26 <nooodl> kmc: watch out for the BongDust(x) exploit though
23:56:55 <kmc> not sure if this is a religion, a programming language, or a role-playing game
23:56:58 <Bike> GreyKnight: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12780151/ann.png now can you tell the difference between the one that was in a SIGGRAPH paper and the one taht wasn't?!
23:56:58 <nooodl> jesus... i'm starting to imagine terry davis listening to these songs 24/7
23:57:01 <nooodl> while programming losethos
23:57:05 <nooodl> or sparrowos whatever
23:57:22 <elliott> i think kmc uses the bongdust(x) exploit every day
23:57:40 <Bike> whoa, animations
23:57:43 <nooodl> what if worm.txt is actually a really hard ARG puzzle or something
23:57:45 <Bike> right in the term!!
23:57:46 <nooodl> i want to tell myself this
23:57:53 <kmc> JASON's MAGIC BONG DUST
23:58:14 <Bike> are these animated bmps?  they should be
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23:58:33 <monqy> #mode shine
23:58:33 <monqy> The shine mode means things in your program are very vibrant 
23:58:33 <monqy> beyond the allowed media. This means brighter than all memories 
23:58:33 <monqy> of the brightest star.
23:58:33 <nooodl> nope :(
23:58:35 <GreyKnight> Bike: we were talking about telnet://telehack.com earlier (try "starwars")
23:58:52 <nooodl> monqy: i'm going to always keep #mode shine on when programming, thanks
23:59:03 <kmc> JASON's MAGIC BONG DUST
23:59:03 <kmc> 1) BANANA MIXTURE
23:59:03 <kmc> 2) CRUSHED CLOVES
23:59:04 <kmc> 3) NUTMEG
23:59:11 <kmc> MIX AND POUND ALL INGREDIENTS INTO POWDER
23:59:11 <nooodl> kmc: help?
23:59:11 <kmc> PRODUCES WONDERFUL PIPE SMOKE
23:59:13 <Bike> GreyKnight: very nice
23:59:27 <Bike> wait, how long does this go
23:59:31 <kmc> #mode shine on you crazy diamond
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