00:00:00 this... 00:00:10 Bike: did I just blow your mind 00:00:17 Imagine we are smoking a bong has a MPE for these vitamin bong 00:00:17 powders. Pretend you are smoking this dust in a pipe, the 00:00:17 formula for this action is ElectPulse(Metabolism(MPE)) when 00:00:17 we fake we are smoking a pipe we ElectPulse(x) and when we 00:00:17 know what we are smoking we create gelatin(x) and the effect 00:00:19 on our behavior is staggering. 00:00:27 Bike: couple of minutes, then it becomes a rickroll 00:00:35 this is even weirder than the time i saw terminator 2 as a gif 00:00:53 Baby Blue Dust(x) = Found youth. 00:01:01 Off White Dust(x) = Fertile dreams. 00:01:07 Bright Green Dust(x) = Know all. 00:01:07 Light Blue Dust(x) = Animal romance. 00:01:15 nooodl how did you find this 00:01:19 "We use the gelatin(x) function to mean chemical gelatin." 00:01:22 ok, seems reasonable 00:01:24 "This substance called Chemical Gelatin is the process the brain uses to transform meaning of words into chemicals." 00:01:28 monqy: /prog/ 00:01:40 kmc: SUDDEN LEFT TURN INTO CRAZYLAND 00:01:47 it's a world4ch textboard and well, the worst people on earth frequent it 00:01:53 but sometimes you run into comedy gold like this 00:02:00 itym true beauty 00:02:00 (tdavis posts on /prog/ sometimes) 00:02:02 it's more like a continuous rocket thrust through crazyland, greyknight 00:03:15 #begin LastWish(x){ 00:03:17 TARDIS(TransReverie(gelatin(DoneState(x)))) 00:03:28 i should keep track of all the good prog threads 00:03:28 RE: SparrowOS.BMP: I like how (a) .Z files use a custom compression format not supported by any other OS ever, and (b) the text file describing how to deal with them under Windows is itself a .Z 00:03:42 ok i think i need to add "or poetry" to my list of possibilities 00:03:45 (i'd say about 95% of them are bad, 3% meh, 2% good) 00:03:48 "good prog threads" 00:04:07 at least for "WPP8: WORM++ PART 8 BUNDLES OF PROGRAMS" which seems to be a kind of standard library 00:04:14 kmc: he has poetry on his tripod site and his facebook and/or wherever people were stocking him to 00:04:32 stalking. 00:04:49 i used to read /prog/ in like uh 00:04:55 many years ago 00:04:58 Bike: well, worm.txt was posted in one thead so obviously there are good /prog/ threads 00:05:00 i've never read /prog/ 00:05:02 Bike: your speech transcriber is showing hth 00:05:03 (then i stopped because it became terrible rather than just really bad) 00:05:39 THE 8 MAIN CAUSES OF DEATH 00:05:41 elliott: depending on when you stopped reading it's now either "worse than terrible" or "a lot worse than terrible" 00:05:42 07= Huge balls of confusing horror makes you laugh to death. 00:05:59 kmc: that's not funny, my granda died that way >:-( 00:06:10 hehe, huge balls 00:07:19 wait why isn't .Z-ness just a file attribute 00:07:53 recycle the archive bit if needs be, not like anybody ever uses it :-U 00:15:52 "You probably know that arrogance, in computer science, is measured in nanodijkstras." -- Alan Kay 00:19:22 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:27:12 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 00:32:51 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:32:58 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 00:33:41 I have exactly 256 browser tabs 00:35:10 That's not many 00:35:25 I've had over 700 open before 00:36:01 nooodl: ohai 00:36:30 links on http://esolangs.org/wiki/4DL are dead :-( 00:38:31 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:40:16 -!- greyooze has joined. 00:40:56 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:42:03 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Headache "You can only work with one stack at a time." Very first command listed operates on both stacks at the same time. 00:42:10 -_- 00:42:30 (so do the second and fourth) 00:42:32 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:42:41 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 00:43:15 and fifth, and sixth, and tenth, and eleventh... 00:44:10 it says /you/ can only work with one stack at a time, says nothing about the language itself!!! 00:44:24 There should be a language where you can only operate on all five stacks at the same time 00:44:51 Category:Shameful 00:45:17 "Hello World (Branchless)" a great achievement for a hello world 00:45:40 it specifies "GNU Cat" as if it's going to have all the options 00:47:07 http://www.sparrowos.com/Wb/Doc/TrivialSolutions.html#l1 oh my 00:47:48 -!- azaq23 has joined. 00:48:17 «Music is done with an elegant one-voice notation.» oh now that ain't cool 00:48:42 40+ year old person who still lists their SAT score 00:48:45 and it isn't 1600 00:49:34 oh he has a subreddit 00:49:53 «SparrowOS V1.01 Released: Compiler has built-in "result" variable similar to "this" in C++» 00:49:56 GreyKnight: try the 4DL page again now :) 00:49:58 is there a category on the wiki for esolangs that have syntax like normal programming languages? 00:50:13 http://www.reddit.com/r/SparrowOS/comments/11kmm9/sparrowos_v101_released_compiler_has_builtin/ ohhhh myyyyy 00:50:14 or anything but the worn out "every character is a command like brainfuck" 00:50:19 have you seen gnu hello? 00:50:27 "PS/2 keyboard/mouse is used instead of USB, also more compatible." what 00:50:51 kmc: butbut parsing is hard :'( 00:50:53 kmc, I think that's what people use "high level" for 00:50:59 sigh 00:51:08 Bike: i think that's not it even 00:51:10 i'm honestly pretty lost on what this has to do with C++ 00:51:22 other than that... it's a reserved word, i guess? 00:51:37 http://www.sparrowos.com/Wb/Doc/Acknowledgements.html#l1 <-- wait, first paragraph implies this is a commercial product 00:51:42 kmc: "every character is a command" is good for when you don't want parsers to get in the way 00:52:40 GreyKnight: well, you can download it free. 00:52:47 maybe it's shareware, in true DOS fashion. 00:53:31 «God told me to stick with 640x480x16 color and kept me from blindly making child windows like Windows. Instead, I made one window per task with no child windows. He also guided my progress, very obviously.» elliott's right, this is worrying... 00:53:46 Bike: thats not nearly the most worrying thing hes said by a long way 00:54:00 i'm sure 00:54:11 yeah i received similar insights when i was working on that boot sector demo 00:54:18 he liked to post random words his program generated "from god" as reddit comments and also had "CIA is watching me"-style rants on twitter 00:54:25 er as in streams of random words 00:54:54 it does exactly what he claims, the "most trivial solution" 00:55:16 Bike: i actually like that "result" thing, it is sort of declarative! 00:55:24 okay i only kind of like it 00:55:31 whether or not that is a good idea is an exercise for the reader :-P 00:56:31 elliott: i think algol w did something like it? you assigned to a variable with the name of the function, and that'd be the value returned 00:56:52 Bike: some BASICs do that 00:56:53 some BASICs do that too 00:57:00 * GreyKnight glares at ais523 00:57:04 well, algol 60, apparently. not like i know algol beyond knuth 00:57:10 Bike: pascal does that i think 00:58:56 "Buttons are widgets, not child windows." <-- how innovative! 01:01:08 GreyKnight: indeed 01:01:15 they're windows in Windows, or at least always used to be 01:02:04 thank god God was there to steer him right. 01:04:14 ais523: wait what 01:04:24 GreyKnight: really 01:04:35 some sort of button window class 01:04:48 what 01:04:49 what 01:05:00 um, i thought buttons and things were sometimes subwindows in X too. 01:05:17 but but why 01:05:35 why not? 01:06:02 a window is just a probably-box-shaped thing to render to 01:06:20 funny how the internet is a small place sometimes 01:07:04 so wait are all widgets subwindows in Windows? 01:07:08 i read an article critiquing the world health organization's metrics for parasite treatment programs 01:07:15 and the first comment is by gwern and mentions haskell 01:07:43 what article is that? (and what could that possibly have to do with haskell) 01:07:45 if so that OS's name just got a whole lot more appropriate 01:07:45 "it's windows all the way down" 01:08:25 http://blog.givewell.org/2011/09/29/errors-in-dcp2-cost-effectiveness-estimate-for-deworming/ 01:08:37 the connection between the two is "excel sucks" 01:08:43 ok i lied when i said i read this article 01:08:53 so how'd you get to it? 01:09:07 more like i spent 5 seconds looking at it and then trusted the smart people at givewell to do their jobs so i don't have to 01:09:29 got to it by following links from givewell's writeup of Schistosomiasis Control Initiative which is their #3 charity 01:09:48 "That spreadsheet contains five separate errors that, when corrected, shift the estimated cost effectiveness of deworming from $3.41 to $326.43." ah, accounting 01:10:11 Lies, damned lies, and accountancy 01:10:47 hm, did i make a function to get me a tree of x windows 01:12:32 i think i dislike givewell for something but i forget what entirely 01:12:55 yeah i don't remember enough X to do this again do I 01:14:05 -!- greyooze has joined. 01:14:16 `addquote ok i lied when i said i read this article 01:14:19 886) ok i lied when i said i read this article 01:14:31 foo 01:14:33 elliott: oh if you find out, let me know 01:14:42 so what is givewell 01:14:57 http://www.givewell.org/ 01:15:00 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:15:02 oh, charity accuracy gizmo 01:15:04 alternatively read the sidebar kmc linked 01:15:08 not really accuracy 01:15:14 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 01:15:19 charity suckiness gizmo 01:15:19 they recommend charities based on analyses 01:15:26 they try to determine the best few charities on a strict utilitarian basis 01:15:33 so it's not just about whether the charities are lying or whatever 01:15:41 but also about how much good they do per dollar 01:15:44 and whether they can use more money 01:15:51 right 01:16:04 so they probably rate the go around taking worms out of people's feet charity higher than TOMS 01:16:12 what's TOMS 01:16:40 they're a shoe company. «When Toms sells a pair of shoes a pair of shoes is given to an impoverished child, and when Toms sells a pair of eyewear, part of the profit is used to save or restore the eyesight for people in developing countries.» 01:16:52 topiary orgasm mechanisation service 01:16:56 they help trees breed 01:17:12 they've been criticized for destroying economies and bla bla 01:17:12 -!- mekeor has quit (Quit: not anymore). 01:17:23 but what about the trees 01:17:29 fuck trees. 01:18:12 Bike: I'd think splinters would be a problem... 01:18:35 i think worms usually hit people because they walk in shallow water 01:18:44 shallow and stagnant and all, i mean 01:21:02 the world's wealthiest non-profit foundation is IKEA 01:21:11 that's the stupid world we live in 01:21:29 it... what? it is? 01:21:37 Bike: tax evasion etc. 01:21:53 nice 01:22:12 IKEA is largely owned by a Dutch non-profit dedicated "to promote and support innovation in the field of architectural and interior design" 01:22:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Corporate_structure 01:22:17 pfff 01:22:25 also when i googled it the first thing i got were some news articles about a monkey 01:22:34 which pays salaries and gives "grants" to ikea designers and what-not 01:22:42 i think this has actually backfired on them though 01:22:49 because they can't exfiltrate money quickly enough 01:22:58 ...wow, what the fuck is this 01:23:10 "The ownership of Inter IKEA Systems is exceedingly complicated and, ultimately, uncertain." 01:23:44 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 01:24:04 «In the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China, IKEA Beijing sold an alligator toy for 40 yuan (US$5.83, €3.70) with all income going to the children in the earthquake struck area» hooray 01:24:09 -!- asiekierka has quit (Excess Flood). 01:24:28 SO... nobody knows who owns IKEA 01:24:44 I have a theory. I think it's those rich guys. 01:24:50 yes I like how it basically says "IKEA is owned by uh... someone" 01:25:00 "it's complicated" 01:25:18 -!- asiekierka has joined. 01:25:31 "but they're totally philanthropists" 01:31:11 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 01:33:39 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 01:34:24 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:35:12 obviously IKEA is owned by Majestic-12 01:37:05 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:37:43 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 01:46:27 the beijing - guangzhou high speed rail line opened today 01:46:31 longest high speed line in the world 01:48:12 we need trans-siberian maglev 01:48:54 why? 01:49:55 there is a planned 300km+ maglev line in Japan 01:49:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen 01:50:02 uh, so that we can cross the wastes at three hundred miles an hour, duh? 01:50:18 it incorporates the JR-Maglev test track :D 01:50:53 wow, a forty year old maglev track? 01:51:01 japan is in the future 01:51:13 fifty years, then. 01:51:20 "JR Central aims to begin commercial service between Tokyo and Nagoya in 2027, with the Nagoya-Osaka section to be completed in 2045." 01:51:23 nice long-term goals 01:51:45 "On November 16, 2004, it also set a world record for two trains passing each other at a combined speed of 1,026 km/h (638 mph)." 01:51:50 if two trains pass each other at the speed of light... 01:51:54 that sounds terrifying 01:52:24 i think once the trains get to a certain speed you might actually make people feel more comfortable by removing the windows 01:53:20 isn't that what they did with conchord jets, or was that just technical limitations 01:53:46 no idea 01:53:53 concorde isn't it 01:54:13 spelling is just the man's way of putting us down, man. 01:55:54 nothing to see up there though 01:56:46 "Concorde was equipped with smaller windows to reduce the rate of loss in the event of a breach" 01:56:56 reassuring! 01:56:58 This is why Neo didn't fight the establishment in japan 01:57:39 sucks that they cancelled the concorde after one crash 01:57:54 Reflecting the treaty between the French and British governments which led to Concorde's construction, the name Concorde is from the French word concorde (IPA: [kɔ̃kɔʁd]), which has an English equivalent, concord. Both words mean agreement, harmony or union. 01:58:00 The aircraft was initially referred to in the UK as Concorde, with the French spelling, but was officially changed to Concord by Harold Macmillan in response to a perceived slight by Charles de Gaulle.[12] 01:58:04 great concord there 01:58:04 They cancelled it because it didn't make money 01:58:15 kmc: wikipedia lists several other factors 01:58:21 ...it also says it was profitable :p 01:58:22 sure, the accident was a convenient excuse 01:58:26 still it was a major factor 01:58:44 In 1967, at the French roll-out in Toulouse the British Government Minister for Technology, Tony Benn, announced that he would change the spelling back to Concorde.[12] This created a nationalist uproar that died down when Benn stated that the suffixed ⟨e⟩ represented "Excellence, England, Europe and Entente (Cordiale)." 01:58:49 jesus christ 01:58:50 degaulle just pisses everyone off, doesn't he 01:59:01 pfffff 01:59:05 that's fantastic 01:59:14 the 60s: what??? what happened 01:59:41 I like the idea of a "Europe" suffix being considered a positive nationalist thing in Britain 01:59:49 I think it was profitable until they had to pay the designers 02:00:11 Yes, Britain and Europe are two distinct nations 02:00:28 two countries separated by the english channel 02:00:52 More than BBC separates these feuding families 02:01:16 meanwhile the 747 has crashed like 50 times 02:01:39 Clubs, bills, and partisans! Strike! Beat them down! 02:02:23 i think concorde still has one of the best safety rates per hour flown, but i'm not sure 02:02:43 That's mainly because everyone, including idiots, use 747s 02:03:06 possibly related to the fact that it didn't fly with Crazy Holiday Discount Airlines 02:03:18 Also cars have crashed a billion times or so 02:04:50 best billion out of two billion and one, i say 02:14:09 -!- Vorpal has joined. 02:19:29 -!- greyooze has joined. 02:21:16 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:22:43 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 02:28:51 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:46:07 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Quit: Reconnecting…). 02:46:18 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 02:50:05 Europe isn't a nation, just as NATO isn't a nation... 02:51:01 thanks for the info I had no idea! 02:51:31 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:51:55 the trams in tallinn will be free starting in 2013 02:52:04 * DH____ backs quietly into a corner in shame... 02:56:24 i am the king of europe you are rong >:-( 03:02:06 Europe isn't a nation, just as Asia isn't a nation... 03:02:16 Europe ≠ the EU 03:03:07 proof: the EU has a higher topological genus than Europe 03:03:43 it has more holes? 03:03:51 yep 03:04:04 what are the holes currently anyway 03:04:10 switzerland 03:04:17 andorra 03:07:29 monaco, vatican city, san marino 03:07:45 liechtenstein 03:09:21 oh but monaco is on the coast 03:09:48 * kmc has low ranks in "where is monaco" 03:10:05 i think everything i've learned about monaco is from Our Dumb World 03:10:55 kmc should play europe tetris 03:12:56 huh, monaco is the densest country, even higher than singapore 03:13:52 what about papal density, though 03:14:01 -!- augur_ has joined. 03:14:50 `quote papal density 03:14:52 paypal 03:14:53 708) Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.) 03:14:57 I guess Bike was probably referencing that 03:15:05 wait I thought of a dumb joke 03:15:13 Fiora: yeah those singaporeans are really dense hah hah 03:15:22 (the joke is it also means dumb) 03:15:38 > cycle "HA" 03:15:39 glad to waste your time, no problem, any time (ha I repeated the word "time") 03:15:39 "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... 03:16:16 it's good to know what i'm referencing. 03:17:04 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:20:17 1.21 jiggapopes 03:20:26 @pontifex lol wtf #fail 03:20:27 Unknown command, try @list 03:21:28 oh Switzerland still isn't in Europe 03:21:36 er the EU 03:22:14 is there any expectation that they will be any time soon? 03:22:25 because i don't see why they'd join 03:22:41 I think they just don't want to share their chocolate 03:22:48 which is a legit excuse 03:23:03 so legit. 03:23:24 2 legit 2, um, join 03:23:44 Unlike Belgians, who SOLD OUT 03:23:50 Bike: peer pressure maybe? 03:24:15 man the swiss didn't join anyone when they were being bombed by germans, they just ain't give a damn 03:24:17 the swiss don't join any organization like that ever 03:24:23 it's one of the things they're famous for 03:24:30 2 legit 2... nazi... something... 03:25:22 The swiss don't really have peers 03:25:54 The british used to, which explains their capitulation 03:26:06 and i suppose the vatican's guards are swiss, too. maybe all the holes have a secret disorganization organization. 03:27:17 Well, Vatican City remains a hole because it's historically a very holey place B-) 03:27:47 the puuunnnsss 03:27:59 Camera cuts to skyline of the see 03:28:11 no, no, someone needs to come up with one about swiss cheese first. 03:28:20 that's too obvious though! 03:28:43 if it was obvious why hasn't it been made? checkmate atheists. 03:37:37 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:38:01 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 03:39:00 they hella collaborated with the nazis though 03:39:13 nazis found it convenient to have banks in an ostensibly neutral country... 03:39:30 bike: i never knew that the nazis bombed swiss? are you sure? 03:39:39 yea 03:39:53 hagb4rd: yes, by accident 03:40:10 and they planned to take it over eventually because swiss people are german, but, you know, nazi plans 03:40:39 do you have a source 03:40:45 for this information? 03:40:56 no, but wikipedia does! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_of_Switzerland_in_World_War_II 03:41:04 thanks 03:41:22 oh wow there weren't any nazi ones 03:41:23 derp 03:41:40 looks like the nazis are even worse at executing their plans than you thought Bike 03:41:53 quite 03:42:05 mssing the target by just a few countries :P 03:42:19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum oh, this is what i was thinking of 03:42:21 shit happens 03:42:22 "Switzerland was a neutral country during World War II but adjacent to and at times completely surrounded by Axis countries. On several occasions Allied bombing raids hit targets in Switzerland resulting in fatalities and property damage." 03:42:26 "whoops, sorry, missed" 03:42:52 "a pimple on the face of europe", oh man 03:43:22 elliott: it turns out that apparently when you bomb people at night and just invented radar you kind of have no damn idea where you are 03:44:12 +you're head is full of pervitin (methyl-amphetamine) 03:44:39 "While Allied forces explained the causes of violations as navigation errors, equipment failure, weather conditions, and pilots’ errors, in Switzerland fear was expressed that some neutrality violations were intended to exert pressure on the country to end its economic cooperation with Nazi Germany." 03:44:44 "neutrality violations" 03:44:46 "whoops, sorry, missed. you know, have you ever really looked at your hands?" 03:44:54 the whole structure we build up around bombing the fuck out of people is amazing to me 03:45:10 i think you mean Strategic Bombing 03:45:15 "sorry, we can't murder people in switzerland. they said they didn't want it" 03:45:45 how many people died, anyway. 21, from the article? 03:45:48 well..communication is everything 03:46:13 switzerland you wuss, russia lost like four billion 03:46:20 -!- DH____ has joined. 03:46:24 well 21 people is like half of switzerland's population 03:47:02 okay it's actually 0.0002625% 03:47:04 close enough 03:47:09 i guess the other half were /really/ into selling nazis things if they overlooked the bombing then 03:47:27 well all the swiss do is spend lots of money 03:47:28 and shoot each other 03:47:37 and have a flag that's the wrong fucking shape 03:47:42 lol 03:47:48 nepal does too... is it a mountain thing 03:47:53 also: which kind is giger 03:49:01 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:49:09 look i just write the theories 03:49:13 the evidence-gathering is up to you 03:49:16 hm, bhutan's is the right shape, but there's a pretty kitschy dragon on it 03:49:50 i guess they are into direct democracy because you can't really sustain a government with 42 people 03:50:03 i... can't think of any other mountain countries? at least, ones that are tiny 03:50:14 Bike: wtf are you talking about, that dragon is metal as hell 03:50:53 i must respectfully disagree, and furthermore postulate that you are in fact fucked 03:51:10 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 03:51:40 oh jesus is it carrying fruit 03:52:24 are you going to tell a dragon it can't fucking carry fruit 03:52:34 look 03:52:36 maybe it likes fruit 03:52:37 ok 03:52:57 ok apparently their anthem is "The Thunder Dragon Kingdom" 03:53:05 i guess that makes up for the fruit 03:53:20 o yes fruits.. i need fruits 03:53:34 oh shit it has an official dance 03:53:37 * hagb4rd fears scorvy 03:53:40 every anthem should have a dance. 03:53:47 eat an orange, ciel. 03:54:31 switzerland is also into not letting women vote 03:55:36 well if you get bombed and only have 21 people left 03:55:40 it's possible none of them are women 03:55:50 like maybe the bomb managed to kill all the women and nobody else 03:56:17 a horrible vision 03:56:30 worst case indeed 03:56:56 well it's entirely possible all the men were misogynists who were glad to be rid of them 03:56:59 i'm just saying 03:57:01 switzerland! 03:57:29 so, i went looking for small mountain countries, and «The Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus (MRNC; also known as the Mountain Republic or the Republic of the Mountaineers; 1917–1920) was a short-lived state» 03:58:41 wow what 03:59:00 it was during the early modern "fucking clusterfuck 03:59:05 " period of russian history. 03:59:37 you need to look for countries _surrounded by_ mountains.. 03:59:56 isn't that only switzerland 04:00:10 maybe..don't know 04:00:21 switzerland is actually a crater 04:00:26 created during the wwii bombinbs of switzerland 04:00:37 though hannibal was crossing the alps with his war elephants to kick the shit out of rome 04:00:51 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland okay how about this, this could work 04:01:01 their flag has a normal shape too... 04:01:25 lol..elliott 04:01:26 aren't some countries like kyrgystan practically surrounded by mountains? 04:01:43 *kyrgyzstan 04:01:45 you get a B+ in "spelling kyrgyzstan" 04:01:47 yes 04:01:48 novowelsstan 04:01:48 let's have afghanistan 04:02:04 it's not surrounded by mountains.. 04:02:05 kmc: kyrgyzstan get an F- in "naming your country" 04:02:06 too big, i'm telling you 04:02:28 but you can't beat the folks out of that mountains in the north 04:02:32 also swaziland has an average life expectancy of 31.88 years 04:02:32 "clinton deploys vowels to bosnia" 04:02:37 so uh. that's pretty sad. 04:02:46 "cities of sjlbvdnzv, grzny to be first recipients" 04:03:14 "let's lighten your mood with bosnia jokes" 04:03:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic 04:03:43 or even sealand with its 3 or 4 M60 brownings machine guns 04:03:53 "His government members were also not always well-chosen. For instance, the Foreign Affairs Deputy Dr. Franz Lipp (who had been admitted several times to psychiatric hospitals), declared war on Switzerland over the Swiss refusal to lend 60 locomotives" 04:04:07 "He also claimed to be well acquainted with Pope Benedict XV and he informed Vladimir Lenin via cable that the ousted former Minister-President Hoffmann had fled to Bamberg and taken the key to the ministry toilet with him." 04:04:26 i think we found out why all the swiss died, elliott. 04:04:36 i think i found my new hero 04:05:17 "he was shot dead by the right-wing nationalist Anton Graf von Arco auf Valley, who was rejected from membership in the Thule Society because of Jewish ancestry on his mother's side" why do they mention this? how is it related 04:05:48 It's part of a jewish conspiracy 04:06:06 oh dang this article has both the thule society and thurn und taxis, that's like half a conspiracy bingo. 04:06:15 oh, and communists. 04:06:42 and don't forget: the beavers 04:07:00 they are out there 04:07:07 waiting 04:07:13 anticipating 04:07:22 i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks 04:07:42 well why else would you do it 04:08:43 and then he's just like http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3xws8MGl1r8wxeyo1_500.jpg 04:09:37 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 04:10:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2uBeiNXAo 04:10:11 good movie ;) 04:11:46 who are the rest of them on the phone with 04:11:59 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:12:28 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:14:35 bike: well.. the presidents staff i guess 04:15:10 if you haven't seen this movie yet, go for it.. 04:15:49 it's one of kubricks first masterpieces 04:17:04 i think the best part about it is when they made a film from the same book, except not taking the piss the whole time 04:17:08 -!- Jafet has joined. 04:18:24 oh, no, based on Fail-Safe, which was similar enough that one sued the other. but still. 04:19:30 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 04:28:21 "the last available World Health Organization data in 2002 shows that 64% of all deaths in [Swaziland] were caused by HIV/AIDS" 04:28:24 so yeah 04:28:29 that's why the life expectancy is 31.88 years :( 04:28:35 yeaaaaah 04:28:57 that's like black plague level depopulation, isn't it 04:30:28 if you are born in this country there is like a 1 in 3 chance you already have aids 04:31:22 elliott: so did you figure out what you thought is wrong with givewell 04:32:58 no, i didn't think 04:33:02 ping me tomorrow? 04:33:12 ok 04:33:21 i would @tell myself but lambdabot doesn't let me 04:33:38 will lambdabot alert you multiple times 04:33:49 or is it ineffective as soon as you say anything 04:33:53 idk 04:33:54 -!- monqy has joined. 04:34:05 hi monqy 04:34:05 i'm leaving so you can @tell me now! 04:34:10 k 04:34:15 hi elliott 04:36:24 `pastelog hi monqy 04:36:55 No output. 04:36:55 this must be sort of a running gag isn't it? 04:37:02 aw 04:37:07 very well 04:37:08 hi shachaf 04:37:21 @ask elliott so did you figure out what you thought is wrong with givewell? 04:37:22 Consider it noted. 04:38:13 You need to remind elliott that if he talks again today, he needs to remind you to remind him again 04:38:31 hi kmc 04:38:37 how is your xmas 04:38:48 χmas? 04:39:08 "Fishy" 04:39:22 ^ord χ 04:39:22 207 135 04:39:27 ⲭmas? 04:39:48 ^ord ⲭ 04:39:48 226 178 173 04:39:52 how did you come up with that character 04:40:04 > fromEnum 'ⲭ' 04:40:04 mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) 04:40:05 what the hell is that? a fucked up chi? 04:40:07 ffffff 04:40:11 2CAD COPTIC SMALL LETTER KHI [ⲭ] 04:40:11 🎅 04:40:17 ...coptic 04:40:19 creative! 04:40:25 COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER KHI 04:40:30 oh, right, their alphabet is probably based on greek 04:40:46 does anyone have an ebook copy of feynman lectures on physics 04:40:51 Ⲭ 04:40:55 I guess that one's better. 04:40:56 x 04:41:08 2C96 COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER LAULA [Ⲗ] 04:41:23 2C90 COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER THETHE [Ⲑ] 04:41:25 2C8E COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER HATE [Ⲏ] 04:41:33 These are great. 04:41:39 quintopia: http://physicsebooklibrary.blogspot.de/2011/08/feynman-lectures-on-physics-complete.html 04:41:43 coptic alphabet: adorable??????? 04:41:51 they have Ⳁ 04:41:52 Ⲱ . that's pretty cool 04:41:59 also it's called Oou 04:42:11 monqy: did you know lens has "an actual data structure" in it now 04:42:18 (Kind of.) 04:42:31 shachaf: :-0!!!!!!!!!!!!! 04:42:47 (actually it has two?????) 04:42:48 quintopia: sorry.. i thought you can download it for free there :/ 04:43:11 2C0A GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER INITIAL IZHE [Ⰺ] 04:43:21 2C06 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHIVETE [Ⰶ] 04:43:25 hagb4rd: guess i have to buy :( 04:43:26 2C0F GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER MYSLITE [Ⰿ] 04:43:32 2C16 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER UKU [Ⱆ] 04:43:48 good letters 04:44:09 2C29 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER IOTATED BIG YUS [Ⱙ] 04:44:13 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:44:16 "iotated"? 04:44:17 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:44:39 I like how all the physics ebook downloaders are indian students 04:44:39 hagb4rd: oh it gives a 4shared link 04:44:47 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 04:44:51 -!- augur has joined. 04:45:04 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2c29/glagolitic_capital_letter_iotated_big_yus.png fileformat.info has failed me. 04:45:37 that's the writing system they used 04:45:40 four hex digits in a box 04:46:20 i thought we already decided that's what japanophiles thought japanese was 04:46:31 yeah 04:46:36 http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=character_detail&uid=63adeh5ch3 04:46:37 so 04:46:41 http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/render_graphic.php?type=usv&point_size=96&metrics=1&block_start=2C00&block_end=2C7F 04:46:47 can we conclude that the ancient russians spoke japanese 04:47:02 that's quite a letter 04:48:02 that is a really confused concept of what kanji is 04:48:09 "Blog posts for this character" 04:49:00 http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/render_graphic.php?type=usv&point_size=96&metrics=1&block_start=2200&block_end=2400 04:49:30 http://imgur.com/cLWxC now in image form 04:49:44 23E4 STRAIGHTNESS [⏤] 04:49:44 23E5 FLATNESS [⏥] 04:50:17 question, does unicode have the Yellow Sign 04:50:20 if not why not 04:50:33 because we don't know what it looks like. 04:50:36 ⏩ 04:50:37 what is it 04:50:39 :-( 04:50:49 unicode has STRAIGHTNESS but not GAYNESS? 04:50:54 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Changing host). 04:50:54 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 04:51:02 quintopia: kool..it's not even broken :) 04:51:05 we should at least reserve a codepoint for it, let's think ahead 04:51:19 it would probably go in a private use area. 04:51:47 well there is http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26a3/index.htm and http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2640/index.htm 04:52:09 kmc: www.charbase.com/1f46c-unicode-two-men-holding-hands 04:52:29 is that... a 3d render? 04:52:46 wow Unicode sure is branching out 04:53:23 the unicode committee should know that gender isn't binary, it's a complicated system of combining characters and normalization forms 04:53:35 as far as i can tell everything above 10000 is kind of nutty 04:53:37 what's next, U+234FB ANIMATED RICKROLL? 04:53:59 all you have to do is convince a japanese mobile phone company to add it to their proprietary encodings 04:54:25 U+1F461: WOMANS SANDAL what why why 04:54:26 then apple and facebook will campaign to add it to unicode so they don't fall behind in the lucrative japanese people sending cat faces to each other market 04:55:14 in three hundred years the linguists look back, see that 10000 to 20000 is all pictures of cacts, wonder wtf happened 04:55:18 cats 04:55:30 based on http://www.charbase.com/2603-unicode-snowman i am guessing that charbase.com is stealing the OS X fonts 04:55:40 which do include fancy colorful icons for emoji 04:55:55 http://zachholman.com/posts/abusing-emoji/ 04:56:02 «Sometimes, the terms “astral plane” and “astral characters” are used informally to refer to the planes above the Basic Multilingual Plane (planes 1–16) and their characters.[5]» 04:56:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(Unicode)#Supplementary_Multilingual_Plane wow, that's actually some pretty cool stuff. 04:56:56 aha, and there's deseret! 04:57:03 also "astral" because you need to be high as a kite to appreciate it fully 04:57:23 level 20 supplemental multilingual plane elemental 04:58:44 it has Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols aka "14 fucking copies of the latin alphabet because fuck mathematicians" 05:00:20 * GreyKnight casts /summon ancient greek musical notation/ 05:00:22 «Plane 3 is tentatively named the Tertiary Ideographic Plane, but as of version 6.1 there are no characters assigned to it. It is reserved for Oracle Bone script, Bronze Script, Small Seal Script, additional CJK unified ideographs, and other historic ideographic scripts» seriously 05:00:41 GreyKnight: what's that look like? i don't thnk i actually found any pictures of the delphic hymns 05:01:59 "Oddly enough, if you drag emoji into the password box, a single emoji shows up as two characters" UTF-16? 05:03:17 «The ConScript Unicode Registry suggests it be used for the Klingon glyph "KLINGON MUMMIFICATION GLYPH".» 05:03:51 Bike: it looks like this http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D200.pdf 05:03:55 "Medieval Unicode Font Initiative" 05:04:35 GreyKnight: lol, they just give up and number 'em. 05:07:52 Hieroglyphs are the same way, they are labelled with the Gardiner number 05:11:03 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:16:33 i'm kind of surprised they had specialized notation though. or that we know any of it. 05:16:36 -!- Jafet has joined. 05:17:25 Sgeo: update 05:18:00 we have specialised musical notation *today*, why not the ancient Greeks? 05:18:42 because the chinese and sumerians didn't. 05:19:11 and because greek music wasn't polyphonic (probably) and they didn't have complicated scales. I think. 05:25:15 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:25:32 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 05:25:41 well I guess the Chinese and Sumerians were slow starters! 05:44:23 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:56:49 too busy inventing gunpowder and malware respectively 05:57:35 is that a snow crash joke or something more interesting 05:57:43 snow crash joke, sorry 05:57:57 oh well 06:01:36 I have never actually read that 06:02:05 it's pretty good 06:08:01 -!- ogrom has joined. 06:08:28 Are you going to do something about the [[International transportation]] article on esolang wiki? (1) It is only one sentence. (2) It is in the main namespace. (3) It is not related to esolang (or anything else, really). (4) The user made no other edits. I suggest either deleting or moving to [[User:Asmun/Sandbox]] without a redirect. 06:14:08 elliott thinks it is funny and refuses to delete it 06:16:24 it's an esolang with one command 06:17:10 I also am unsure to delete it, but I think it should at least be moved; it is why I suggested that. 06:19:33 TIL that burned whole rye grains smell the same as burned popcorn 06:21:24 Move it to [[User:Asmun/International_transportation]] if you don't like [[User:Asmun/Sandbox]] 06:21:56 zzo38: But what if I want to learn more about international transportation? 06:22:25 no you can only learn about international shipping 06:22:38 shachaf: Then you should look on Wikipedia; the one sentence there explains nothing about it and its external link doesn't explain either. 06:23:29 Anyways I think it belongs in the User: namespace, not the main namespace, so if you agree, that is why I suggested [[User:Asmun/International_transportation]]. If you disagree, that is OK too but at least I suggest this so we can see who agree/disagree with me. 06:27:34 It doesn't *belong* anywhere because it's spam. But it's funny spam because they failed to insert a link to their website. 06:28:16 Right now it is staying because elliott finds it amusing, after he gets bored with it I guess it will get deleted? 06:31:56 Well, yes, it is spam too 06:32:14 But if it should go anywhere, it should go in the User: namespace. Otherwise, it should be deleted. 06:33:12 If any admin action is taken on it it should be to delete, moving it to User: makes no sense 06:33:37 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 06:33:38 Well, yes, but it makes more sense than leaving it how it is, at least! 06:33:46 no it makes less sense! 06:33:49 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:33:49 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 06:33:49 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:34:09 Are you sure? 06:35:10 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:35:35 yes, if you're moderating it anyway why not just delete it? "Move to User" is a halfway compromise for actual articles, for funny spam the concept does not apply 06:35:58 partly because the "user" is a nonentity 06:36:42 http://lookatthatfuckingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/ 06:37:16 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:37:21 However you said they don't want to delete it because is funny. If you *do* want to delete it, then of course you will. 06:39:14 well not me personally since I can't delete :-P 06:43:25 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:43:45 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 06:43:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:47:10 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:53:06 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:53:25 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 06:53:26 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:56:20 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:36:10 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:36:40 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 07:47:56 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:16:24 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:20:54 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 08:23:12 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 08:23:18 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:36:40 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:43:29 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 08:57:43 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:14:40 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:20:04 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:25:12 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 09:42:37 -!- ais523 has quit. 09:53:36 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:03:11 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:03:42 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:06:15 -!- Taneb has joined. 10:06:34 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 10:07:45 -!- nooodl has joined. 10:10:31 Huh. someone in the wiki is trying to make a documentary about esolangs 10:13:41 A documentary about #esoteric sounds a far more appealing topic. 10:14:09 Or maybe a regular movie. 10:14:19 I don't know who'd they get to star as elliott, though. 10:15:10 I imagine Elijah Wood as elliott 10:15:30 My wife made the exact same suggestion before you said that. 10:15:44 Clearly that is the logical choice. 10:18:22 -!- ogrom has joined. 10:18:31 fizzie, I'm your wife. 10:18:40 Only logical conclusion 10:21:20 I find that hard to believe. 10:25:47 -!- mekeor has joined. 11:08:00 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:16:30 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 11:42:03 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 11:43:41 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:43:45 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:03:42 -!- chickenzilla has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:48:14 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:48:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:55:22 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:55:56 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:08:43 fizzie: who would play zzo38 13:09:58 fizzie: Why would elliott be the star? 13:10:02 I think that would be monqy. 13:14:26 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 13:16:17 Also starring fungot as the comic relief! 13:16:18 GreyKnight: more of a statement implies that statement would prove that. though we did experiment by photographing durbu's and lindi's chess game. 10k is plenty of ways to try to decode it 13:17:01 fizzie: for some reason I had assumed you were female? 13:17:24 (I suppose that doesn't actually rule out you having a wife, although it is significantly less likely that way) 13:20:16 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:20:24 what would the plot be 13:21:04 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 13:21:08 imo it should be like a cheesy sci-fi-action movie, somehow involving esolangs... 13:23:07 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 13:46:24 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:51:30 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 13:56:13 GreyKnight: I'm not female, but I've heard "fizzie" is quite a feminine nick. 13:58:08 -!- Taneb has joined. 13:58:47 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:01:56 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 14:02:23 also you are like a mother figure to little fungot :-3 14:02:24 GreyKnight: i need to support locales in a modern os shouldn't even let a user know about cursor?' 14:08:35 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:08:57 fungot: Who's your mommy? 14:08:59 fizzie: as in i have read the spec can be burst upon by a good environment in hands of a competent programmer. " 14:09:34 fungot: Speak! 14:09:34 shachaf: preferably with its legs talked off. 14:12:08 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 14:16:48 `addquote i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks 14:16:56 887) i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks 14:20:06 `pastelog hi monqy 14:20:37 No output. 14:20:57 `pastelog hi monqy 14:21:29 No output. 14:21:38 `cat bin/pastelog 14:21:39 ​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ \ pasterandom() { \ if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \ echo "No." \ exit \ fi \ for i in $(seq "$1"); do \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ done | paste \ } \ \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ 14:22:41 > "hi monqy" 14:22:42 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:22:42 "hi monqy" 14:22:52 `pastelogs hi monqy 14:23:15 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13720 14:23:41 `run diff bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs 14:23:46 -!- carado has joined. 14:23:47 No output. 14:24:02 `run diff bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs 14:24:04 No output. 14:25:17 why is there a multiline message in there. 14:25:52 `url bin/pastelog 14:25:54 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelog 14:27:57 `pastelogs 3 14:28:03 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29274 14:28:05 -!- greyooze has joined. 14:30:53 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 14:31:09 fungot I liek you 14:31:10 GreyKnight: i don't care, it's a tarnished chain of my nick. i think 14:31:13 If you know the right codeword you can also call up the U.S.A. president on the telephone and *make* bathroom pranks: http://www.webcrunchers.com/stories/toilet.html 14:31:52 ^style 14:31:52 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 14:32:27 `pastelogs hi 14:32:40 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13421 14:33:06 [too many lines; stopping] 14:39:06 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:42:50 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 14:43:17 http://dx.com/p/gold-plated-digital-audio-optical-fiber-toslink-cable-black-150cm-135805?item=35 I don't understand 14:45:38 [User:Phantom_Hoover] Voulez-vous un brick large in tu brain? 14:46:27 GreyKnight: tell him not to switch between vous and tu like that 14:47:39 I hoped that http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ragaraja would actually have 1000 operations as claimed, but looks like he chickened out 14:47:49 GreyKnight: Wow, that's a cheap cable. I mean, compare it for a mid-range HDMI cable like http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-3m-Carbon-HDMI-Cable/dp/B0038LYHDE/ref=sr_1_2 14:49:11 I wouldn't pay that much for a *device* to plug the cable *into* 14:50:21 You can pay $13000 for a speaker cable, but at least that's an analog thing. 14:50:43 Still, a 15-metre HDMI cable for $2099.95? http://www.amazon.com/World-Silver-Starlight-Cable-Meters/dp/B002YFTMEO/ref=sr_1_8 14:50:53 o_o 14:51:22 (Ref. for the earlier: http://www.amazon.com/WireWorld-Platinum-Eclipse-Standard-Speaker/dp/B008K473NA/ref=sr_1_1 $13199.95.) 14:51:29 none of this explains why we're gold-plating an optical cable. Maybe just for the bling value, if cables sell for this kind of money 14:52:00 Obviously it's gold-plated to "provide clear, full and richly detailed sound". 14:52:51 "Platinum Eclipse is the cable for perfectionists with elite reference standard audio systems." Boke and lies 14:53:15 it's for people who use £50 notes as kindling to start their fire 14:53:39 GreyKnight: Here's a $1088.75 optical cable for you: http://www.amazon.com/Audioquest-Diamond-Fiber-Digital-Toslink/dp/B0073TB78A/ref=sr_1_42 14:53:43 Is there a way I can find out everyone who's bought one of these, so I can go visit them and smack them in the head 14:54:11 It's not gold-plated though. :/ 14:54:19 I suppose that would be too much to ask for a thousand-dollar cable. 14:55:05 Is this actual diamond fiber? If not why not 14:56:32 It has "280 narrow aperture quartz (fused-silica) fibers", I think. 14:57:16 confusing carbon and silicon? must be aliens. 14:57:41 "Diamond" (as far as I can tell) just refers to the color. 14:57:59 It's available in "Forst", "Cinnamon", "Vodka" and "Diamond" colors. 14:58:24 (Also known as "green", "red", "blue" and "grey" in the common speech of lesser men.) 15:00:03 Or Ibrîniðilpathânezel for those who know Valarin. 15:00:35 -!- greyooze has joined. 15:01:11 guise i have too much money ware can i buy a platinum-plated optikal cable 15:02:06 Go to Amazon.com and then sort by "Price: High to Low", that's how you find the best deals. 15:02:25 (Also the green one was "Forest", not "Forst".) 15:02:43 I am also disappointed that these aren't made of actual diamond: http://www.amazon.com/Waterfall-Audio-Niagara-Standing-Loudspeakers/dp/B002BSH27I/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2 15:02:53 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:02:57 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 15:02:59 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 15:03:02 -!- ogrom has joined. 15:03:40 how do i need to configure irc chanserv to not !op the channel owner on join. or if that|s not possible: can i completely hide the status of any user in the channel..like it is here? 15:03:48 fizzie: this has actually been a kind of horrifying experience 15:04:13 GreyKnight: Don't you mean "uplifting"? You got to see a glimpse of how better people live. 15:04:29 Perhaps one day you could own $54000 "diamond-glass" speakers too. 15:05:05 hagb4rd: +O is the "auto-op" flag: /msg ChanServ HELP FLAGS 15:06:21 GreyKnight: hm. /msg ChanServ HELP FLAGS seems not to work on that network :( 15:07:30 oh a different network 15:07:32 try just HELP 15:08:38 fizzie: some of these listings seem like jokes/errors 15:08:41 e.g. http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQY-008G-A11A-MicroSD-Capacity-microSDHC/dp/B007YW3DOW/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1356534370&sr=1-1 15:09:12 all i seem to have is the access list + types (like "autodeop") + some flags like "secureops".. tried them all and it doesn't work.. but thx, maybe it's not possible on that network.. 15:13:26 from ChanServ help: "+b - Enables automatic kickban." <-- at first I misread this as "enables automatic kitchen" 15:14:17 -!- Frooxius has joined. 15:28:04 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:33:07 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 15:33:52 -!- olsner has joined. 15:36:01 `run echo "print(9.54/40)" | lua -e 15:36:05 lua: '-e' needs argument \ usage: lua [options] [script [args]] \ Available options are: \ -e stat execute string 'stat' \ -i enter interactive mode after executing 'script' \ -l name require library 'name' \ -v show version information \ -E ignore environment variables \ -- stop handling options \ - s 15:36:21 `run lua -e "print(9.54/40)" 15:36:22 0.2385 15:36:24 opps 15:47:35 -!- mekeor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:56:07 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 16:00:42 https://gist.github.com/665971 16:01:56 gj GNU 16:03:01 10:14:19 I don't know who'd they get to star as elliott, though. 16:03:01 10:15:10 I imagine Elijah Wood as elliott 16:03:01 10:15:30 My wife made the exact same suggestion before you said that. 16:03:01 10:15:44 Clearly that is the logical choice. 16:03:01 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 16:03:04 i could see it working 16:03:30 @tell ais523 HELP!!!! (Deletion log); 10:57 . . Keymaker (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page International transportation ‎(content was: "[http://www.example.com click here] to learn more about international shipping" (and the only contributor was "Asmun")) 16:03:30 Consider it noted. 16:03:41 @tell ais523 HELP!!!! (Deletion log); 10:57 . . Keymaker (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page International transportation ‎(content was: "[http://www.example.com click here] to learn more about international shipping" (and the only contributor was "Asmun")) 16:03:42 Consider it noted. 16:03:45 @tell ais523 oops 16:03:46 Consider it noted. 16:03:49 @tell ais523 we should have protected it or something 16:03:50 Consider it noted. 16:04:01 @tell ais523 I think elliott is panicking 16:04:01 Consider it noted. 16:04:14 GreyKnight: btw ais523 found it amusing too 16:04:15 http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/15axxn/what_would_happen_if_i_told_an_inside_joke/ 16:04:20 elliott: why do you need help? 16:04:26 "if you are into pain, get the autotools book.. Read it awhile, throw it in a box and start sacrificing to Cthulu." 16:04:29 so that's 2/3 of the active administrators :P 16:04:37 olsner: the perfect page got deleted 16:04:41 also, isn't oerjan the one you ask for help with the wiki? 16:05:11 only when he gets confused about which universe he is in 16:06:04 `quote alternativ 16:06:07 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! \ 373) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page thanks elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET 16:06:29 `quote alterna 16:06:30 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 19) In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 20) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: whatever happened to bsmntbombdood 16:07:34 maybe he tried that and croaked 16:07:36 he got responsibilities or sth 16:07:38 oh boy 16:07:45 this documentary looks like somethin' indeed 16:09:15 `quote alter.*duc 16:09:17 No output. 16:09:35 i think the mussolini one may have been euthanized 16:10:05 `run quote alterna | tail 16:10:07 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 19) In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 20) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: um 16:10:31 `run quote alterna | fmt -w 400 | tail -1 16:10:33 ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET 16:10:42 `run quote alterna | tac 16:10:43 `help 16:10:44 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 16:10:44 373) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page thanks elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET \ 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! 16:10:59 Jafet: ooh, clever 16:11:11 doesn't seem to have been deleted grepping the hg logs 16:11:20 `quote duce 16:11:21 23) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 94) if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect ^ 16:11:25 see 16:11:45 elliott: oh that didn't use alterna* 16:11:53 *+. 16:11:55 `quote 94 16:11:56 94) if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect ^ I learned that trick from atheists 16:11:59 i remember this one 16:12:18 il produce 16:13:22 `quote 21 16:13:23 21) so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers 16:13:39 ah, context 16:13:51 `quote 123 16:13:53 123) Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? 16:14:48 `run quote univers | grep -v alterna 16:14:49 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, 16:15:02 `run quote univers | grep -f -v alterna 16:15:03 grep: -v: No such file or directory 16:15:09 `run quote univers | grep -i -v alterna 16:15:11 23) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 24) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers \ 94) if 16:15:23 `run quote univers | grep -i -v alterna | tac 16:15:25 717) oops I accidentally deleted the universe looks weird when you put a verb after accidentally like that \ 643) the point of a university is research and training new researchers. the point of the world is to enable this. \ 598) I personally use while ("Cogito, ergo sum") { ... } because since that is a prio 16:15:44 TOO MANY 16:16:09 `pastequotes univers 16:16:13 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26859 16:17:07 -!- greyooze has joined. 16:17:33 is that picture on /r/shittyaskscience genuine 16:17:45 it still looks weird with a verb after accidentally ... when I read sentences like that I feel like ignoring the verb because it's ungrammatical 16:18:04 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:18:17 -!- greyooze has changed nick to GreyKnight. 16:18:22 You accidentally assimilated the meme 16:18:26 or maybe ignoring the extraneous verb because accidentally is already a verb? 16:18:55 *accidentally the meme 16:19:16 i had already accidentallied the meme 16:19:33 We must accidentally all verbs 16:23:17 accidentally is an adverb hth 16:25:18 well, this is what happens when you accidentally an adverb 16:25:20 Then we shall ccientally. 16:25:21 let it be a warning 16:26:30 i sense a great deal of redundancy in some of those subreddit names http://www.reddit.com/r/shittysuboftheweek 16:26:30 GreyKnight: I think many of the "ridiculous price" listings are indeed mistakes (or algorithmic pricing gone wrong; that happens, too; there's some amusing articles on it) but the ludicrously expensive cables are sadly far too real. 16:27:16 The sentence acquires an accidentally, the accidentally acquires a verb, the verb becomes a warning 16:30:11 "Although I had to liquidate the assets of an entire third world nation in order to afford these SDHC cards, they hold a lot of pictures of my dogs." (A customer review for a 4GB SDHC card costing $100M.) 16:32:29 I don't think I have any third world nations left 16:34:16 I did saw something I could've bought in Amazon for $0.01 recently. (List price $24.99, "you save $24.98 (100%)".) 16:34:23 But the shipping would've been $4.99. 16:34:33 Did saw indeed. 16:36:25 Did saw dat do dint dey do 16:39:25 `quote 16:39:27 862) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion 16:42:36 what's a HackEgo invocation to search logs for a particular string? 16:44:11 There are quite a few. 16:44:35 `run ls bin/*log* 16:44:36 bin/anonlog \ bin/etymology \ bin/log \ bin/logurl \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastelogs \ bin/pastlog \ bin/randomanonlog \ bin/searchlog 16:45:07 'pastlog' is "on-channel, logs not including today"; 'pastelog' is an URL-pasting version. 16:45:37 Either 'log' or 'searchlog' is maybe 'pastlog' except without the not-today feature. 16:46:06 `etymology particular 16:46:09 ​ \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. \ \ lynx: Can't access startfile http://etymonline.com/?search=%70%61%72%74%69%63%75%6c%61%72 16:46:12 ... 16:46:13 Aw. 16:46:26 (I was hoping for a joke.) 16:47:27 `pastelog infomercials 16:47:32 `run diff bin/log bin/searchlog 16:47:34 Binary files bin/log and bin/searchlog differ 16:47:47 Well that was informative. 16:47:48 they're binary now? 16:47:54 `cat bin/log 16:47:58 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18493 16:47:59 ​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1 \ else \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ fi 16:48:19 `file bin/searchlog 16:48:21 bin/searchlog: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped 16:48:32 `searchlog what 16:48:38 2008-09-07.txt:09:47:39: what's the dsss command to tangoify again 16:49:23 `log what 16:49:30 2011-02-19.txt:05:17:25: I always just say "Yeah, what?" gruffly. 16:49:33 I thought that was dsssl for a minute 16:49:58 what does searchlog do... 16:50:31 okay I guess HackEgo can't find the source of quote 316 16:50:32 `run grep searchlog bin/* 16:50:34 No output. 16:50:57 oerjan: Maybe searchlog's the OPTOMIZED version of log. 16:51:04 elliott: splain plz 16:51:14 -!- monqy has joined. 16:51:33 `quote 316 16:51:34 316) Top universities now employ people to watch infomercials all day to find the latest mysteries. 16:51:40 the explanation is i dont remember 16:51:59 fizzie: sounds plausible 16:52:08 * GreyKnight throws his hands in the air 16:52:32 oerjan: It's written in TERSE, you know. 16:52:39 `pastelogs Top universities now employ 16:52:50 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12580 16:53:26 huh it's also in lambdabot 16:54:23 oerjan: http://sprunge.us/dXiR 16:54:27 maybe the bots made it up themselves and are just using elliott as a cover 16:55:22 fizzie: OKAY 16:55:53 @quote elliott universities 16:55:53 elliott says: Top universities now employ people to watch infomercials all day to find the latest mysteries. 16:56:13 It's from a discussion in 2011-05-07, FWIW. 16:56:49 did I say it in /msg or something 16:57:06 http://sprunge.us/LDhA (sorry for the log format) 16:57:51 my log format has colour codes in it :( 16:58:03 because the alternative is that irssi doesn't log the colour codes in people's actual messages 16:59:19 ah right the day is missing glogbot logs until 19:55 17:00:13 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/11.05.07 has it 17:00:30 I mean, us in #esoteric understand that you mean hi as a threat 17:00:40 (to monqy) 17:00:48 huh what 17:02:14 from http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-05-07.txt 17:02:19 also there is a monqys-crawl?! 17:02:57 fsvo is 17:03:06 also fsvo monqys-crawl!!!! 17:03:11 wait 17:03:16 i want to play monqys-crawl 17:03:21 where can i get it 17:03:28 shachaf. it's not ready for the prime time. 17:04:01 monqy: i don't need prime time i just want to play!!!!!!!! 17:04:51 it's unplayable sorry 17:05:45 i want to read the code then 17:05:49 it's c++ right 17:06:07 it's just crawl code 17:06:29 check out the "4.1.2 ancient" branch and you'll get an idea 17:06:38 you can play that too! it's 100% playable 17:06:51 monqy: should i learn crawl 17:06:53 but it's just crawl no monqys in there 17:07:10 crawl may or may not help you with monqys-crawl 17:07:32 make everything sprint 17:07:38 everything does lots of damage, take 1 17:07:42 add segfaults and also smaller levels 17:07:44 goodbye files with mostly/all big vaults 17:07:56 shachaf 17:08:00 thats not monqys-crawl 17:08:09 it says monqys-crawl......... 17:08:14 thats old monqys-crawl 17:08:21 an experiment in making crawl dumb 17:08:30 did it work 17:08:34 yes 17:08:37 it made crawl dumb 17:08:41 does it say "hi" when you start up a new game 17:08:46 17:08:49 -!- elliott has left. 17:09:01 17:09:18 when (and why) did we invent all this hoopla about "hi"? 17:09:31 good question 17:11:09 it is a threat 17:11:36 are you sure???? 17:14:24 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 17:15:13 monqy: what are your thoughts on socks? 17:15:50 good for shoes, sliding, not much else 17:16:05 good for faux pas????????that sandals thing 17:16:11 good for puppets! 17:16:20 good for monkeys? 17:16:21 good for shoes and puppets? how about for people? 17:16:46 shoes and puppets are good for people. there's a transitivity going on here. 17:16:48 a faux pas is what you do when you make a fool out of yourself 17:16:58 * oerjan is currently wearing socks in his sandals. two pairs, the outer one is wool. 17:17:04 did you mean flip flops? 17:18:46 not entirely sure. I've only heard of this phenomenon, never witnessed it 17:19:01 hmm, or http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foppatoffel ? faux pas sounds pretty similar actually (but the aux is too long) 17:21:39 -!- elliott has joined. 17:21:48 hi elliott 17:23:13 someone could make a browser called sandals and refuse to ever add socks support to it 17:23:21 yes 17:31:30 fungot: i know you use SOCK, do you use sandals? 17:31:31 oerjan: the search starts because we are more concerned about getting accepted?) 17:32:54 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 251 seconds). 17:33:06 hm what is the precise distinction between sandals and flip flops 17:33:28 oerjan: The latter is a bistable multivibrator. 17:33:41 * oerjan swats fizzie -----### 17:34:09 ok band between the toes, not flip flops i'm wearing then 17:34:42 :D 17:36:32 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:38:33 yuck my coke bottle was gooey on the outside 17:39:35 thanks 17:40:19 "They may also be held to the foot with a single strap over the front --" see, it doesn't have to use in-toe signaling. 17:40:26 I mean, a between-toe band. 17:40:44 fizzie: um that was the distinction of flip-flops, afaict 17:41:31 I would have thought it's more about not having more than the strap in front, no matter whether it has that between-toes bit or not. 17:41:49 "[Flip-flops] consist of a flat sole held loosely on the foot by a Y-shaped strap that passes between the first and second toes and around either side of the foot. They may also be held to the foot with a single strap over the front of the foot rather than a thong." 17:41:56 That's what Wikipedia says. 17:43:01 I mean, the sandals still flip-flop if there's a single front-strap that goes over the whole foot, so they ought to be flip-flops. 17:43:57 "6. A plastic or rubber sandal consisting of a flat sole and straps. Also attrib." (OED) well that's not very distinctive. 17:45:06 "2. flip-flop, thong -- (a backless sandal held to the foot by a thong between the big toe and the second toe)" I see wordnet is a strict orthodox between-toe flip-floppist. 17:49:34 fungot: flip flopper! 17:49:34 kmc: i've lost what we're arguing about 17:49:48 ^style 17:49:49 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 17:49:52 fungot: so have i 17:49:53 oerjan: eval ( 1 2 3 4 5))) x 17:49:53 fungot 17:49:54 shachaf: and cooperation against the game does not preclude " adrenaline" ( or " fnord" types which i believe to be 12 thing? 17:50:56 fungot: please design esoteric: the boardgame 17:50:57 GreyKnight: and 1.0a1 is ancient, decrepit lisps. what you will probably need to traverse the cartesian product one every one copies. should probably still complain. 17:51:41 fizzie: i see it doesn't handle space after special tokens, like ( 17:52:58 ancient, decrepit lisps, i take it this is a horror game then. 17:53:52 you can evade those, though; malbolge is much harder. 17:55:15 there is only one malbolge on the board at any one time 17:55:20 -!- nooodl has joined. 17:55:46 the BF derivatives are hard to avoid because they are so numerous, but they're pretty weak individually 17:59:01 fungot: we need more design fuel please 17:59:02 GreyKnight: s/ a name/ value list or a sigle atom or procedure)'. 17:59:11 if you draw the "Brick brain" card, the whole board fills with BF derivatives 17:59:37 i'd rather think that would remove them 17:59:42 or maybe every time you cast a BF derivative, you have to roll for brick brain 18:00:01 "brick roll" 18:01:33 good thought 18:09:10 arguably, a bricked brain wouldn't significantly affect someone's ability to create bf derivatives 18:14:32 oerjan: It does have some trouble with tokens that are not supposed to be followed by a space, yes. 18:23:42 -!- azaq23 has joined. 18:23:53 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 18:24:10 -!- azaq23 has joined. 18:34:53 play.google.com gives me prices in SEK. :/ 18:42:06 And suspiciously many Sweden-specific things in the top charts, like "SVT Play". There seems to be only a language select-o-tron, not a location select-o-tron. 18:42:39 they know where you are better than you do, apparently 18:42:42 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:42:51 I don't think I want to be in Sweden. :/ 18:42:51 maybe you accidentally to sweden? 18:43:07 yeah everyone know finland is swedish by ancient heritage 18:43:11 I was in Sweden just the other day, though, perhaps it's just laggy. 18:43:13 *+s 18:43:33 fizzie: clear some cookies? 18:43:35 I even tried adding a place-I-live-in in my Google account profile, but it didn't help. 18:44:14 c00kiemon5ter: WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS 18:44:16 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 18:45:03 I'm thinking it's probably because of the he.net IPv6 tunnel, which has its endpoint in Stockholm. But surely there should be some way of overriding the IP geolocation, it's not like those are 100% accurate. 18:49:01 "If you want to manually change your currency and/or country: 18:49:02 Add a new payment method with a billing address in the "new" country that matches the currency you'd like to use." 18:49:05 Maybe that would help. 18:49:17 Though I don't really want to add a payment method. 18:50:51 -!- hagb4rd has changed nick to hagb4rd_. 18:50:52 http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer 18:51:28 though i really don't know y to learn java i swear i'll wear my lucky socks this time 18:51:29 can we not link to unfunny SEO-spammy bullshit like the oatmeal 18:51:43 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 18:52:19 hagb4rd_: objection, growing a beard is a prerequisite for installing Linux in the first place 18:52:37 right 18:55:16 elliott: i don't know this place.. no problem for me so 18:55:23 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 18:55:30 if it makes you happy 18:56:50 silly executive officer 18:56:51 nothing makes elliott happy 19:01:49 -!- Bike has joined. 19:06:35 http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/12/4/3727746/the-oatmeal-rape-joke 19:08:45 the oatmeal guy has actually given talks at, like, SEO conferences about how the literal entire aim of the comic is to get pageviews from reddit and that he doesn't even care a single bit about anything he writes about 19:08:49 pretty great 19:09:07 good 19:09:24 it's a little bit weird that we judge content creators by motivation rather than what they create 19:09:45 well it's more 19:09:51 I judge the guy for having completely slimy motivation 19:09:52 aw..motivation is goin a long way 19:09:55 and therefore won't read his comic 19:09:56 thats true 19:10:44 well his comic is bad too so 19:10:56 elliott: yay principles 19:11:00 "You can go back to reading The Family Circus now." for god's sake 19:11:12 monqy: yes that's the nice advantage, I don't even miss out on anything 19:13:19 for some reason you know this guy and even parts of his biography and work..i'm sure you have your reasons to boycott his works elliott.. and truly it wasn't that funny at all 19:14:00 i am secretly the author of the oatmeal perpetrating an immense act of reverse psychology 19:14:08 I think he does have a point though. People make jokes about all sorts of horrible things, is making a joke about this one horrible thing worse than those other horrible things? 19:15:16 -!- elliott has left ("preemptive"). 19:15:16 yes because of pervasive sexism in the communities that read theoatmeal 19:15:18 but also 19:15:21 it's not even a joke about rape 19:15:33 it's a joke about something else, which uses rape as a lighthearted fun-times analogy 19:16:03 while I so far agree with the progressiveboink article's author, I strongly associate white guys who make heavy use of the word "privilege" with a variant of Nice Guy Syndrome so bleh 19:16:09 i'm not saying it would be impossible to make a legitimately worthwhile joke about rape 19:16:22 but this idea that you can just tack "RAPE!! LOLOLOLOL" onto any unfunny shit and make it funny is really bad 19:16:29 kmc, good point 19:16:29 ah cmon 19:16:46 maybe the analogy to other horrible things would be like "i machete the shit out of my tutsi f5 key" or... something less forced 19:16:48 it is not funny. but it's not the same as raping 19:16:59 GreyKnight: so, in your mind is there any way for a white guy to care about social justice 19:17:03 it's just stupif 19:17:04 or are we automatically poseurs 19:17:16 i think this kind of attitude is a litiiitle bit counterproductive 19:17:31 if you have privilege you should acknowledge that you have privilege and use it for good not evil 19:17:47 Bike, there may be less of a reaction to that, largely because there are likely to be fewer readers directly affected by that event 19:17:52 I said "strongly associate" 19:18:47 pretty much you just have to realize that "privilege" means "I don't have to deal with X, while other people who don't have that privilege do, and I should be careful not to assume that everyone is like me in that regard", and that it's not a thing that makes you a bad person 19:19:53 Sgeo: shittiness isn't just a function of who complains about you, of course 19:20:02 the daniel tosh thing was similar... people talked about it as if he made some clever edgy joke about rape that society just wasn't ready for 19:20:13 actually there was a woman heckling him and he just said wouldn't it be great if she got raped 19:20:26 maybe the analogy to other horrible things would be like "i machete the shit out of my tutsi f5 key" or... something less forced <-- the tragedy here is not a scene of rape.. but problems woith the internet dude.. words are walking sticks.. and if you feel guilty for this in some way you can go and be the saviour for the girl next door.. i don't want to support this shit, just don't like this touch of overdriven and misplaced mor 19:20:30 do people actually like tosh? from what i've seen he just runs Stupid Youtube Videos: The Show 19:20:45 dunno, apparently at least one person went to his show 19:20:53 kmc: it's like how white dudes really, really, REALLY want to be able to say the n-word 19:21:02 and the fact that they can't is ~oppressino~ 19:21:05 *oppression 19:21:09 so yeah i think the conversation about "can rape jokes ever be funny" is really missing the point 19:21:15 «Despite its popularity among males, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is one of the most subtly misandric show I have seen» speaking of which 19:21:17 it's a specific example, I guess, of how people can use particular bits of vocabulary to show how knowledgeable they are about something without actually needing to hold the relevant principles. "Privilege" as jargon is just one such vocabulary term. 19:21:27 Bike: oh god no XD 19:21:42 GreyKnight: okay, i can see that 19:21:44 greyknight absolutely 19:21:48 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:21:48 but do you think that's the case with this article 19:23:36 i'm more concerned with assholes than with worrying about with people are just posing as academics, personally 19:24:54 I don't know, I haven't finished reading it. I was stream-of-consciousnessing my first impression into the channel because I'm tired and sick so I just do things :-) 19:25:01 consequences are for other people B-) 19:25:04 ok, that's fair 19:25:10 you're sick? :/ 19:25:13 don't die 19:25:18 stop being sick right this minute sir 19:25:36 I got some virus before Christmas, then I got another one 19:25:46 spending Christmas day in bed is awesome fun :-| 19:25:50 -!- mekeor has joined. 19:25:58 that reminds me I didn't open my presents yet 19:26:22 what, it's already boxing day, you should be eating bangers and mash out of boxes by now 19:26:48 i thought you're supposed to box a kangaroo 19:26:54 or is that only in australia 19:27:08 maybe I can eat bangers and mash out of a kangaroo and cut out the middleman 19:27:18 and i thought they smelled bad on the outside! 19:29:40 Sgeo: I agree with the observation that people seem to raise much more of an outcry over rape jokes than murder jokes (has ctrlaltdelete had a rape fiasco yet? That would be a test of this hypothesis). I don't know why though. 19:30:24 damn, i missed my train following this conversation engaging the popularity of one asshole spitting empty words at another who made his luck writing some kind of infantile jokes 19:30:25 Rape is a thing that happens to people, but so is murder (although it's not the victims who would be upset at murder jokes, but their loved ones) 19:30:27 GreyKnight: in a random sample of an american audience, 1 in 12 people will have been raped 19:30:42 so, if you make a rape joke in front of an audience, ~8% of those people will have experienced the thing you're joking about 19:30:48 Fiora, holy crap 19:30:49 they may have PTSD flashbacks 19:31:00 nobody in that audience has been murdered. 19:31:29 hence why rape jokes are bad -- when you make them, there's a good cahnce some people listening /have been raped/ 19:31:45 and you're mocking them, making them feel awful, and contributing to society trivializing their experience 19:32:00 whereas nobody trivializes murder 19:32:14 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0hy07rRzS1qcfypgo1_500.jpg <-- good example 19:32:32 Fiora, very good point (except for "nobody trivializes murder", not sure if that's true) 19:32:36 nobody in that audience has been murdered <-- hmm I guess that is an obvious point 19:32:58 if your friend is murdered, most people will probably not go around saying he was a slut and it was his fault for wearing the wrong clothes 19:33:12 Fiora, I thought you meant as in jokes trivializing it 19:33:13 i.e. people don't generally victim-blame for murder 19:33:19 well, it contributes to the whole thing 19:33:26 sgeo: Fiora means actual murders I think 19:33:46 what the fuck are you talking about..god please stop 19:33:53 rape culture 19:34:02 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_culture 19:34:04 (any CAD comic featuring P1 and P2 will demonstrate fictional trivialisation of murder) 19:34:23 hagb4rd_: elliott has more foresight than you :-U 19:34:27 GreyKnight, ah... Can I go ahead and smack victim-blamers? 19:35:08 Seriously, wasn't considering that ... actual people... blame the victims 19:35:08 wtf 19:35:09 okay, but, that's CAD 19:35:09 please no.. not here.. this is a holy place droogies no :L 19:35:12 there are too many of them, you can't smack them all 19:35:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60JlM6ZXHc here is the important thing about cad. 19:36:21 basically unrelated but the guy on the right of that tumblr photograph looks like he's wearing only a T-shirt 19:36:40 -!- elliott has joined. 19:36:45 * GreyKnight guesses this is going to be about B^Uckley before clicking 19:36:55 nope 19:37:04 who's on that shirt? 19:40:31 -!- hagb4rd_ has quit (Quit: death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings were we had shoulders, smooth as ravens claws). 19:45:30 fungot: please give further information on esoteric: the boardgame 19:45:31 GreyKnight: that's a lot). i found the merely very old version of chatzilla 19:46:39 fungot, I don't know if IRC integration is a great feature for a boardgame 19:46:40 GreyKnight: there's a minority of mit undergrads who don't like me 19:46:56 poor fungot :( 19:46:57 Bike: i could ask my dad to give me the rock bottom answer 19:48:51 fungot: Have you written the script of "#esoteric: The Movie" yet? 19:48:52 fizzie: i don't really know what that does 19:49:51 elliott: did you find the answer to my question 19:50:03 kmc: huh 19:50:06 did lambdabot even notify me of a message 19:50:10 i had forgotten it until now 19:50:44 i will try to remember to figure it out in-between wasting lots of time 19:50:47 ok 19:50:54 ok thanks 19:51:57 so there is a movie, a documentary, and a boardgame in progress 19:51:57 what about a hit musical 19:52:34 fungot: what about a hit musical 19:52:35 Deewiant: in the music video theres this boy thats hot.... 19:52:51 sounds good to me 20:04:46 Do you think Christmas should be done by celebration on winter solstice instead? 20:05:31 does this make it more or less convenient?&c 20:06:11 fungot 20:06:11 shachaf: if you have an amount of 0? 20:06:18 fungot: yes 20:06:19 shachaf: x fnord"), without specifying a character at a time. too much time 20:06:32 fungot: too much 20:06:32 shachaf: i'd say the things that use it. you can choose not to attempt to retrieve the individual arguments from the direction the ip is 20:13:49 "by celebration" is a way of doing things and "on winter solstice" is a time, so I don't understand how these two aspects make a dichotomy 20:34:38 -!- mekeor has quit (Quit: g'neight). 21:02:58 I just nearly used "too" instead of "to" kill me now 21:04:50 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:05:55 GreyKnight: I think that's a little to harsh too suggest. 21:06:15 also kill fizzie thx 21:15:09 GreyKnight: but if we kill you now you'll just go to grammar/spelling nazi hell, where you will be _forced_ to use words wrong all the time... 21:16:01 nooooe 21:16:46 like spelling no with an e 21:17:26 eNo, the electric no. 21:22:30 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 21:34:47 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 21:52:35 I had idea of the chess variant where the number of different kind of pieces is exactly one googolplex, and the number of squares is also exactly one googolplex (this game is impossible to play within our universe, but may be possible to define). 21:53:48 A movement pattern is defined using a 10x10 grid of numbers 0 to 9, such that none are subsets (even trivial subsets) of others. A piece is defined by assigning one of ten modes to each possible movement pattern, such that there are no redundancies. (I am not exactly sure how to do this, but I have some ideas.) 21:56:11 Do you have any ideas related to this? 21:59:07 why not go the whole hog and have an infinite number of types of piece on an infinitely large board? 21:59:25 (it might even be easier to analyse) 21:59:45 Because I intend to make it exactly googolplex; so finite but very large. 22:02:48 well, what do you want to analyse about it? 22:05:20 At first, nothing; I only want to define it. Other analysis can be done later if it is wanted. To make the definition small enough, it is why I suggested something like the above pattern. Anyways if you are esoteric programming community we should know why we are doing it like this regardless of such things as analysis. 22:08:53 well I can see how to lay it out, it just doesn't seem like it will have very interesting properties (no offence) 22:10:23 so I was wondering if there was some property that you had in mind 22:10:36 (sometimes I miss things, it's true!) 22:13:08 One way to define piece types is to imagine the piece at the centre of a 19x19 region (i.e. 10 squares from the centre to each edge). Then you take all the possible combinations of having each square movable to and/or capturable to 22:13:23 (these can be independent: see FIDE pawns for instance) 22:14:07 > 10^10^100 22:14:12 mueval: ExitFailure 1 22:14:12 mueval: Prelude.undefined 22:14:41 that won't give a googolplex of piece types but if you restrict the symmetries of the movement pattern you might reach it 22:14:42 > 10^10^100 :: CReal 22:14:45 mueval-core: Time limit exceeded 22:17:33 > 10^100 22:17:35 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... 22:17:51 and the rest is an exercise for the reader 22:28:49 zzo38: if your imaginary "move region" has radius R (R=10 for my example above) and we assume that staying in the same spot is an invalid move, then there are 4^((2R+1)^2-1) possible piece types in the absence of symmetry constraints 22:30:06 er (2R-1) 22:32:10 so 4^(4R^2 - 4R) types I guess (what a pretty expression) 22:39:20 -!- asiekierka has quit (Excess Flood). 22:39:54 zzo38: not sure what else to do with this really 22:40:53 -!- asiekierka has joined. 22:53:58 -!- monqy has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 22:54:24 monqy: bye 22:55:34 -!- monqy has joined. 22:56:25 Yes, to think of symmetry too; I suggested to make that none are subsets of another, in order to ensure each is unique; but then all zeros must also correspond to some move pattern too, or if it doesn't, it can instead correspond to some other special feature of the piece; however it still require to be the case each piece different; but allowing a piece that stands still and does nothing is OK 22:57:08 I do intend null moves are invalid; however, a move that stays in the same spot might still affect other things on the board so it is not necessarily a null move. 23:00:36 what do you mean by null move in that case? 23:01:14 Null move is passing your turn. 23:01:29 All of Steam's "A game on your wishlist is on sale!" email notifications have so far proudly boasted "0% off!", not exactly the best deal I've heard of. 23:02:14 how is a move that keeps the piece in the same spot different from a null move? That is how I would have defined "null move". 23:02:23 fizzie: at least it's not negative? 23:02:42 I suppose I should take solace in that. 23:04:03 GreyKnight: I mean such things as rifle moves and so on may be difference from null moves. 23:04:43 rifle moves? 23:07:00 I don't know what that is but I am imagining chess where the pieces have firearms 23:08:41 -!- olsner_ has joined. 23:08:51 -!- olsner_ has quit (Client Quit). 23:10:48 I mean a move that you can remove another piece from the board even though the piece capturing it stays in its same place. 23:14:55 hm well my above formula didn't take such moves into account 23:18:14 you could break it down by a move consisting of two subparts: capturing a piece from one of some set of squares, and moving to one of some set of squares (not necessarily the same set), or just moving to some set of squares (possibly a different set again) 23:18:22 so 8^ rather than 4^ I guess? 23:18:53 only the middle of those three sets needs to allow the current square as valid 23:23:33 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:23:43 fungot nooooo 23:30:13 Oh, no. 23:31:02 -!- fungot has joined. 23:31:21 fungot: Oh, yay! 23:31:22 welcome back fungot 23:31:22 fizzie: xor is a trick, but it's 23:31:22 monqy: what's the difference between 23:31:28 * GreyKnight hugs fungot 23:31:29 GreyKnight: or check srfi-0 ( or srfi-7) ( begin ( 23:33:25 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:36:21 -!- hagb4rd_ has joined. 23:39:23 -!- ared_ has joined. 23:40:44 -!- ared_ has changed nick to xDEADCA7. 23:42:30 fungot: Are you actually written in Scheme, and all that Funge-98 code is just a sham? 23:42:31 fizzie: i can calculate the new guess, and compare that to the binding of unquote as was bound by ( lambda ( x k') 23:43:15 the funge code actually just shells out to run a scheme interpreter 23:51:16 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:52:48 well if thutubot can shell out to lambdabot... 23:54:59 FR: bot that just forwards requests to another channel and takes input from users there for its responses 23:55:55 it's called a "bridge" 23:56:05 fr bot that's just a person in a cardboard box 23:56:10 me 23:56:16 type !help for command info 23:56:21 !help 23:56:22 ​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. 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