00:03:49 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 00:04:32 elliott, monqy Fiora Phantom_Hoover Whatever-Taneb-is-being-today 00:04:33 UPDATE 00:04:52 i do not want to think about my backlog any more 00:17:17 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 00:17:25 zzo38: how did the candles thing work? 00:18:40 "According to some mathematical theorem, 7 is a large enough n to get a perfect shuffle." 00:18:54 " Shuffling simulates an actual shuffle: the list is split into halves which are merged back together by repeatedly pulling the top card off one of the halves, randomly selecting one half or the other" 00:20:08 GreyKnight: Candles? Do you mean in the Dungeons&Dragons game? I am almost finished recording it and then you can read how it work. 00:20:20 yes and okay 00:20:48 You said "It is a little bit like a game of chess." which interested me 00:21:34 What I mean is that a few of the kind of tactics involved in chess have similar things in this game. 00:23:32 Like when you castle your level 20 Fighter with a stone golem? :o) 00:24:43 OK, but that isn't precisely what I was thinking of; read my recordings to see more specifically what it is in this case. 00:25:15 :o) means joke :-P 00:25:31 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:25:43 OK :o) 00:26:42 where are your recordings? 00:27:12 http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex 00:28:31 I think anticipation2 may be the first successful program that intentionally sets its flag to zero, and knows it's intentionally setting its flag to zero when it does so 00:28:32 I think that is how most people use the word "intentionally" :-P 00:28:37 zzo38: not on gopher?? 00:29:43 this is a different meaning that ais523 intentionally stumbled upon 00:30:13 Currently it is not on gopher but I may fix that. 00:30:31 However, that file alone is not sufficient because if you want to print it you need dungeonsrecording.tex as well. 00:31:06 I am just reading the text anyway 00:31:20 Is there a Tristan to go with Isolde? :o) 00:31:36 GreyKnight: No. 00:32:48 hopping forward is an interesting tactic, although risky if the enemy manages to identify what power you just used 00:33:00 (now they have a minute to prepare :-o) 00:33:13 Yes I know, it can be risky 00:34:08 how did you anticipate where the candles were to go? Was there a diagram drawn on the floor? 00:34:36 No; I did not manage to anticipate it. That was Isolde, not me (Kjugobe), anyways. 00:35:43 * oerjan wonders how zzo38 pronounces the "Kj" 00:36:04 oerjan: By itself it isn't, but with "Kju" it can be pronounced. 00:36:26 oh, well, how did Isolde anticipate it then :-P 00:36:47 GreyKnight: Badly. 00:36:48 oerjan: first name "Iuckqlwviv" 00:36:57 oh right 00:37:04 I think you need mouth-tentacles to pronounce it correctly 00:37:18 or to be granny weatherwax 00:37:19 (he is an illithid) 00:37:31 Yes, maybe it is difficult to pronounce without 00:38:49 GreyKnight: pronounced witjout mouth-tentacles 00:38:50 it's just that kjugobe is _very_ simply to pronounce for a norwegian with norwegian spelling rules :) 00:39:02 *simple 00:39:10 also for finnish 00:39:45 Iuckqlwviv might be easy to pronounce if you are from Hungary :o) 00:39:48 oerjan: O, I don't know Norwegian and Finnish spelling rules! Maybe, if you are Norwegian you can pronounce it that way. Otherwise, I will pronounce my way. 00:40:11 no, not hungary. czechia or georgia maybe. 00:40:32 finnish spelling rule is pretty much: pronounce it as it was IPA 00:42:23 only exception I can think of is ŋ being written as ng 00:43:05 nortti: nk maybe? 00:43:22 (those tend to go together in many languages) 00:44:06 oh 00:44:27 short ŋ was nk ans long ŋ was ng 00:44:38 wat 00:44:54 what? 00:45:13 nk = ŋk is what i meant, but maybe finnish doesn't do that 00:45:30 Now I have it on gopher named dnd/level20.tex 00:45:30 also i don't think ä and ö are the ipa forms :) 00:46:00 oh. forgot that 00:47:14 -!- greyooze has joined. 00:47:52 ä ia æ and ö is ə, I think 00:47:57 and if you look closely there are probably other details. e.g. is a pronounced as ipa a or ipa ɑ 00:48:06 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:49:09 I think a 00:49:49 wikipedia says ɑ 00:50:31 how is a pronoumced then? 00:52:35 further back. i believe the swedish short a is like that 00:52:38 I have typed the last few paragraphs now; where we are in the card playing room. 00:52:52 Actually I missed one. 00:53:24 wait 00:53:37 OK, now I am done. 00:53:47 it's not further back, it's _middle_ 00:54:07 and very low 00:55:43 ah. I never thought about those two as different letters (?) 00:56:05 phonemes 00:56:46 finnish spelling is derived from swediah, german and latin 00:56:54 *swedish 00:57:38 -!- greyknigget has joined. 00:57:55 -!- greyknigget has changed nick to GreyKnight. 00:58:23 "The phonemic contrast between front /a/ and back /ɑ/ is only partially maintained in Standard French, leading some researchers to reject the idea of two distinct phonemes.[11] However, the distinction is still clearly maintained in other dialects, such as that of Quebec." 00:58:36 -!- greyooze has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:59:23 i guess those two vowels tend to get merged and split a lot as languages evolve 00:59:58 norwegian has only ɑ 01:04:21 How I mean tactics of similar to chess game, is such as: confusion, repairing weaknesses, zwischenzug, counter, conservation of resources, and so on. 01:04:31 apparently swedish a is either IPA ä or ɑ 01:05:19 what exactly happened at the end there with the candles anyway 01:05:42 I thought it might be /pyrotechnics/ at first but that only creates light or smoke, not actual fire 01:05:54 maybe something similar or a modification of it 01:06:03 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:06:37 GreyKnight: I did finish typing what happened so far, by now; you can reread it. Yes I know it is not pyrotechnics; I thought of the same thing as you, there. I am unsure exactly what it is, but I know it is much bigger fire; and I do have some plans to defend against it. 01:06:39 GreyKnight: you dare to tell on 31 dec that pyrotechnics doesn't create fire? :P 01:06:58 i'm sure there will be plenty of firefighters to disagree with you 01:07:23 oerjan: They mean the spell called "pyrotechnics", which creates light, not fire. 01:07:38 THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK 01:08:26 Yes I think that is what they want you to think (whether or not it is correct). 01:10:29 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:12:31 My defense is partly inspired by Soltis's book "The Art of Defense in Chess". 01:12:35 mroman: i'm not sure if anyone answered you, but 3-SAT is NP because any logic circuit can be evaluated in time linear in the number of logic operations. 01:12:56 oerjan: Gregor has yet to install it. elliott objects to its installation. 01:13:28 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 01:14:44 wta. 01:14:44 quintopia: install what? 01:15:38 i don't recall elliott being against the principle of the new scoring... 01:15:49 Phantom_Hoover: so what is the plan for your Raspberry Pi? 01:15:53 uh 01:16:00 torrenting things basically 01:16:22 I was hoping for something marginally more esoteric. Are you using a befunge torrent client at least?? 01:16:35 oerjan: see the bfjoust talk page and the logs for the most recent day i posted to it 01:16:44 no 01:16:58 (chan logs, not wiki history) 01:17:05 perhaps an esolang based on torrenting? 01:18:06 some sort of distributed computation? 01:18:21 elliott: man, when did you stop being really annoying 01:18:23 i had an esolang bunny attack me the other night 01:18:50 is there a language based on algebra? where the only command is "solve this equation"? 01:19:01 fractran doesn't really count 01:19:18 there is that thing with diophantine equations 01:19:19 quintopia: chaitin wrote a lisp to diophantine equation compiler once, apparently. 01:19:34 Bike: sounds awesome 01:20:47 hey guys does anyone know of turing-equivalent graph colouring problems? 01:21:35 graph-coloring doesnt seem turing-complete 01:21:46 quintopia: why not? 01:21:48 unless you are talking infinite graphs? 01:21:54 of course 01:24:15 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:25:41 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 01:25:46 * GreyKnight shoots a firework at oerjan -----==> 01:26:43 coppro, well the context was heraldry 01:26:53 so infinite graphs would require... some thought 01:28:20 "It takes the compiler only a few minutes to convert the 300-line LISP interpreter into a 200-page 17,000-variable universal exponential Diophantine equation. The resulting equation is a little large" 01:28:52 the maxwell's equations of programming :') 01:29:04 Chaitin's conception of "a little large" is similar to ais523's conception of "intentionally" :-) 01:30:12 this little adventure takes place in Algorithmic Information Theory BTW 01:30:27 everything chaitin does takes place there 01:31:52 Chapter LXVII: Making Lunch 01:32:04 chapter of what? 01:32:49 I was making a joke 01:33:39 Jokes are hard. 01:37:54 I was just reading https://github.com/ginatrapani/todo.txt-cli/wiki/The-Todo.txt-Format from the logs earlier 01:38:22 "The beauty of todo.txt is that it’s completely unstructured [...] To get started, use special notation [...]" 01:38:59 The syntax rules are about three screenfuls long here 01:39:03 so is that thing seriously just for todo lists? 01:39:22 maybe i'm just not busy enough but i'd usually use just a list 01:39:43 or org-mode if i was writing for a productivity blog, maybe 01:39:45 * GreyKnight files "completely unstructured" alongside "intentionally" 01:39:46 (and "a little large") 01:40:03 Bike: well there is some software that helps you organise the list 01:40:06 and this is the syntax for it 01:40:13 I'll stick with hiveminder I think 01:40:31 at least it is more honest :-3 01:40:50 do you communicate with it via pheremones? 01:41:46 no but somebody should create a pheromone interface layer 01:42:54 "We use a lowercase x so that completed tasks sort to the bottom of the task list using standard sort tools." <-- erm x wasn't the last letter of the alphabet last time I checked 01:43:31 But maybe 'y' and 'z' and so on are not being used. 01:44:25 GreyKnight: as gone through before, this is someone who thinks "plain text" is easy and universal. 01:44:56 so, probably someone who's not even very good at English. and/or dumb. 01:45:01 zzo38: I may want to have a task such as "yell at elliott" or "zap oerjan"! 01:45:21 or "zot zzo38" 01:45:25 Bike: "This format has been developed and refined over the course of 5 years by the Todo.txt community of users and developers." 01:45:39 Is it ASCII sorting order? 01:45:41 or "zzo38's birthday" 01:45:51 GreyKnight: great, now i'm depressed 01:45:53 If that is it then you should use ~ if you want to put at the end. 01:46:20 zzo38: I guess it is? They don't say ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:46:27 zzo38: sorting tools don't seem to be specified beyond "standard" (lol) 01:46:45 zzo38: also, tasks can apparently be arbitrary text, so zapping zzos is quite allowed... 01:47:05 (is that the correct plural of "zzo"? what is the significance of 38? so many questions) 01:47:13 Bike: I liked how they think txt files are OS agnostic too. As far as I know Notepad.exe STILL can't handle line endings other than CRLF. 01:48:00 zzos 1--37 were dismal failures. But the lessons learned from them led to the construction of the biggest and best yet 01:48:16 GreyKnight: bush hid the facts 01:48:34 about zzo38? 01:48:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_hid_the_facts quite possibly 01:51:20 hah that's awesome 01:53:22 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/todotxt/message/3229 <-- CHOMP 01:53:55 thank goodness for plain text 01:55:01 "Yes that solved the problem.... sort of" 01:55:09 "The easy fix is to use wordpad instead of notepad." awesome. 01:56:16 The MS-DOS text editor, Visual Studio, and other programs, support LF line endings and CRLF line endings. 01:56:30 Although it doesn't work with Notepad. 01:57:20 Wordpad, the text editor for Real Men 01:58:40 i kind of have to respect notepad's continuing lack of features, though. unless it can read mail since XP but I doubt it? 01:59:46 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:02:15 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/todotxt/message/4611 <-- I have no idea what a MIT is or what's going wrong with that command 02:02:28 looks like sed vomited all over the terminal 02:03:52 «can't read 11 s/{[0-9]\{4\}\.[0-9]\{2\}\.[0-9]\{2\}}/{2012.10.26}/: No such file or directory» wow, i almost want to know how you fuck up that bad 02:05:58 I'm starting to think that Racket isn't as flexible as I'd like 02:08:03 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Quit: Reconnecting…). 02:08:14 Paint did get more feature-ful though 02:08:37 -!- GreyKnight has joined. 02:09:15 "There’s no [...] tags or flags" There are both of those things :-I 02:09:31 today i am learning how to make bastardized pirozhki out of biscuits in a can 02:15:01 GreyKnight: yeah, i edited that article to tone down their paean to the mythical format of "plain text" 02:21:30 what's with british people using 'stone' as a unit of weight 02:22:16 People use units of mass as units of weight all the time, this one is no different 02:22:28 that's not what i object to 02:22:40 it's just a weird unit that nobody else uses or even knows about 02:23:34 perhaps the imprecision is a virtue though 02:24:04 it's easy to obsess over weight fluctuations of 1 lb or 1 kg[f] 02:24:05 shrug, I consider the Imperial system a waste of my brain cells to remember anyway :-) 02:24:25 in a way that is counterproductive 02:24:32 (it amuses me slightly that America is one of the great bastions of Imperial measure though, what with the whole Independence thing) 02:25:01 except we don't use quite the same system, either 02:25:04 iirc the american imperial units are all slightly different from the british ones 02:25:14 a US fluid ounce is significantly different from a UK fluid ounce 02:25:15 for Independence, presumably 02:25:18 yes 02:26:12 olsner: that and the refusal to use SI is enough evidence to make me think they deliberately want to be incompatible :-) 02:27:37 I discovered recently that many Americans don't know what a fortnight is 02:28:07 I think we should revive the use of sennight just to mess with their heads B-) 02:28:46 about that, it's really quite weird how everyone seems to agree on the seven-day week 02:29:42 it fits neatly into a lunation 02:29:48 (as much as anything else anyway) 02:32:41 olsner, romans had an 8-day week 02:33:04 the french revolutionary calendar had 10-day weeks! 02:33:06 (although they thought it was 9-day because romans didn't understand counting) 02:33:14 it also had Pantsless Days 02:33:59 Phantom_Hoover: Do you mean that the last day of one week was the same as the first day of the next week? 02:34:59 yes 02:38:38 Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 72nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3178 02:39:39 sounds like something out of dwarf fortress 02:41:17 looks like a discordian date 02:41:41 the aftermath is my favorite month. 02:44:10 secundo kalendas januarii 02:45:44 oh wait 02:45:51 *pridie kalendas januarii 02:46:41 (that's today btw) 02:49:03 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onetesla/onetesla-a-diy-singing-tesla-coil 02:49:03 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:49:14 this was developed at the hackerspace two blocks from my house :) 02:49:45 singing tesla coils are pretty old hat, i thought 02:49:48 http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/julian-calendar.htm (possibly beware of popups) 02:52:16 Phantom_Hoover: sure, many people have made them, but i don't know about an easy to assemble kit 02:53:18 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 02:55:20 this is neat because it's something that anybody can build with basic soldering skills in an afternoon 02:55:37 and it seems to be reasonably and safely designed, with MIDI / computer connectivity 02:55:49 no, it does not fundamentally advance humanity's understanding of the laws of physics 02:56:48 the midi interfacing bit is not just optically isolated but actually lives in a separate box with a fiber optic cable to the HV board 02:59:40 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: No route to host). 03:00:24 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:00:51 -!- GreyKnight has quit (Quit: zzz). 03:02:23 -!- TodPunk has joined. 03:02:26 $250 is steep though 03:02:31 i might get one if the price goes down post-kickstarter 03:02:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 03:26:24 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:27:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:47:11 -!- TodPunk has quit (*.net *.split). 03:47:11 -!- zzo38 has quit (*.net *.split). 03:47:11 -!- oonbotti has quit (*.net *.split). 03:47:12 -!- Gracenotes has quit (*.net *.split). 03:47:24 -!- TodPunk has joined. 03:47:30 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 03:51:49 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:07:15 It would be cool to have one, but yeah, that price is a bit high. 04:15:37 For purpose of making some computer game, I wanted to make the second C preprocessor. Instead of "CPP" it can be "CPQ" the second one, which run after the first C preprocessor. Which finds commands with $ first to do replacements, and then further reads it to remove duplicate definitions and so on. 04:15:58 I am not exactly sure what to start with. 04:16:13 But I do have some ideas about how to write such a program. 04:17:35 * Sgeo wonders if zzo38 would enjoy Racket 04:20:04 Racket? 04:27:20 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:29:53 Is there a C parser code which I can change to what I need? 04:32:13 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:43:49 zzo38, Racket is a Scheme derivative that, among other things, lets you make new languages that smoothly interoperate with other Racket modules 04:44:16 Redefining function application, defining a different reader, etc. 04:46:16 OK 04:47:43 I'm currently reading a tutorial about implementing Brainfuck as a Racket language 04:50:01 Some examples of what I wish of a second C preprocessor (I have some ideas how to implement but not quite): 04:51:20 $macro(red,x,y) { int @z=(x); hello(z,y); } red(1,2) becomes int _newname0=(1); hello(_newname0,2); 04:51:42 int x=5; void xxx(int) {} int x=5; becomes int x=5; void xxx(int) {} 04:51:55 int x; void xxx(int) {} int x=5; becomes int x=5; void xxx(int) {} 04:52:31 int a[]={1,2,3,,,,}; becomes int a[]={1,2,3}; 04:53:49 $pool(256); 'Apple'+'0'+'Car'+'Bat'+'Car' becomes "Apple","Bat","Car"; 256+'0'+258+257+258 04:56:52 void xxx(void) { $promote(-1) { int global1; } return; } becomes int global1; void xxx(void) { return; } 04:58:56 Furthermore there must be $template and $data commands 04:59:27 Is there anything like this which already exist? 05:22:39 One problem seem to be, that in C some commands you will have the } terminates it but in other cases it is not terminated unless a semicolon. 05:25:18 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 05:26:58 Will it work for this kind of preprocessor to just require that they all end in a semicolon or separated by a semicolon (like Haskell does)? 05:32:02 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:32:03 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 05:32:03 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:35:44 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:40:53 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 05:56:29 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 06:03:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 06:03:17 For example, is this valid? void xyz(int x, double***y) { putchar(x); *y=0; }; int uuu=9; (notice a extra semicolon) 06:06:21 No, it is not 06:06:58 Is it allowed in GNU? 06:10:22 Is there a way to work around? 06:10:29 Well, gcc doesn't care. 06:11:37 Do other compilers which support GNU extensions care? 06:12:07 They might, but I don't care about other compilers. 06:13:15 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:13:40 some compilers actually bother to warn about extraneous semicolons 06:18:07 I mean such as clang with GNU89 mode. 06:20:16 Which compilers make such warning and can it be suppressed partially? 07:10:44 What is the command in GCC to add an extra step after the preprocessor? 07:11:06 (For if the filename suffix is a certain suffix) 07:18:00 XKCD is kinda okay today, but the alt text is wonderful 07:21:37 http://goatkcd.com/1154/sfw [nsfw] 07:26:58 http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1829 07:28:06 i read a story about the search for the goatse guy once. i think his name might actually have been kirk? i forget. 07:29:16 To boldly go... 07:29:47 to boldly split infinitives where no one has split infinitives before 07:30:54 yeah i read that article 07:32:33 my friend is talking about how he put an Intel SSD in his original Xbox 07:32:55 i think he should put on neon lights and a big spoiler 07:33:21 Bike: it is, in fact 07:33:34 Bike: coincidental, though 07:33:46 Fiora: What's the matter with split infinitives? 07:34:00 sorry, just an old joke <_<; 07:34:04 coppro: or is it?? etc 07:34:07 I always attempt to pointlessly split infinitives 07:34:14 pff. 07:34:15 Fiora: or is it?? etc 07:34:22 Bike: no, it is. The comic was posted before goatse's identity became well-known 07:34:30 I know. 07:35:57 Bike: Did you work out the type derivatives thing? 07:36:44 4:20 split infinitives every day 07:37:09 eh? no. 07:58:41 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:24:11 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:32:19 -!- etb has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:36:14 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 08:37:38 You know how I know that Clojure has utterly poisoned my brain? 08:37:51 everyone keeps telling you so? 08:37:54 I am impressed by the foo in (let foo () ...) being first-class 08:38:01 Seriously impressed 08:38:03 It's a bit nuts 08:38:10 wha 08:38:11 I should not be this impressed 08:38:47 clojure doesn't lack recursive lexical functions, does it 08:39:05 It lacks them being tail-recursive 08:39:18 what's that got to do with first-class-ness? 08:39:47 Well, it's also the fact that with that let it's sort of anonymous, don't need to letfn 08:39:50 >.> 08:40:09 Maybe I'm just slowly forgetting Clojure 08:40:11 it's the exact opposite of anonymous, "foo" is right there! it is nonymous 08:41:31 I tend to think of "anonymous" as "not exposing a name to the outside directly" 08:42:02 hi 08:42:08 whats up with this?? 08:42:09 "not pushy" 08:42:15 indeed, what is up with this 08:47:28 hi monqy 08:47:31 good night 08:47:36 good night shachaf 08:48:06 Do you know how in GCC to tell it to add an additional step after the preprocessor for files with a certain suffix, while otherwise treated them as a C source file? I looked at the document of spec strings but am not sure how to do it. 08:52:26 You'd have to just separate those steps. 08:52:41 gcc -E > foo.tmp; othertool foo.tmp > foo.i; gcc foo.i 08:53:08 There is not a way to specify it in the spec strings? 08:57:32 echo -e '#!/bin/sh\ncpp "$@" | foo' > /usr/local/bin/cpp 08:58:02 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:59:05 Awesome, I can in fact write macros that redefine #%app within their lexical scope 09:00:07 perfectly safe 09:00:35 http://pastie.org/5601436 09:00:42 The result of that is "HONK" 09:01:13 aight 09:03:22 Jafet: I don't think GCC will work like that though 09:04:08 No, because it's dumb and hardcodes the path to its favourite cpp 09:04:35 But you can force it to use another one 09:05:04 with stocks and a riding crop 09:05:30 I think CPP is built-in to GCC though. 09:06:07 Even though it can be told to run only the preprocessor, and there are spec strings to control them, I don't know how to make it run differently. 09:07:36 You can't tell it to run another cpp? Weak. 09:07:52 You can specify such that .ZZ are C++ source files or whatever, and check the prefix within a spec string, but I don't know how to make spec strings run additional programs. 09:08:55 It also says you can use pipes but it doesn't really explain how. 09:09:00 zzo38: you should make a variant of the unix 'top' utility and name it 'zztop' 09:10:36 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:16:52 Why the hell am I still subscribed to totheark on Youtube 09:17:00 I haven't watched Marble Hornets in months 09:18:25 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: quit). 09:22:40 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:37:18 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to Sgeo_. 09:37:58 -!- Sgeo_ has changed nick to Sgeo. 09:56:14 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:56:19 Hello 09:56:58 hello 09:57:57 which are our markov bots again? 09:59:24 `help 09:59:26 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 09:59:31 `ls bin 09:59:34 ? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ lua \ luac \ luarocks \ luarocks-admin \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ pastaquote \ paste \ 10:01:06 `rm bin/hi 10:01:09 No output. 10:01:27 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:02:05 `rm bin/fuck 10:02:08 No output. 10:02:13 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 10:04:04 `quote 10:04:06 329) I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand. 10:05:33 what were bin/hi and bin/fuck 10:05:48 maybe they were worth keeping... 10:05:52 no they weren't 10:06:05 hi was "echo hi" and fuck was "printf '%s' '$1' 10:07:08 oh 10:08:56 `log 10:08:58 2003-07-27.txt:02:09:56: Gravy made out of people! 10:13:30 fizzie: do you realize you've been here nearly 10 years? 10:35:46 I figured out how it might be done, by using the COLLECT_GCC and COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS environment variables (which are not available inside of spec strings, but are available to the programs called by spec strings, and COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS but not COLLECT_GCC needs to be processed by eval) 10:38:45 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:46:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:03:09 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:13:12 -!- oonbotti has joined. 11:17:32 coppro: Noooo... that can't be right. 11:17:43 fizzie: check the logs 11:18:06 It must be some kind of a mistake. Maybe some of the years were skipped. 11:18:55 -!- carado has joined. 11:44:46 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:58:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:14:47 (It's not even "nearly 10 years", it's over it already: "[2002-12-14 22:21:33] -!- fizzies [fizban@bistromath.gehennom.org] has joined #esoteric") 12:16:06 So, have you mastered the esoteric? 12:17:42 That's not quite my first join either, since it seems there was a "fizzie [fizban@colin.befunge.org]" on-channel at that time; it seems to be just when I got my new (well, then-new) IRC box up and running. 12:18:35 Yeah, Mon Dec 09 07:24:10 2002 would have been the first. 12:19:22 And there were already six other dudes/duders/dudettes present. 12:20:45 Oh, one's a bot. 12:21:25 A dudit 12:21:41 (navigator, dbc, lament, deltab, exarkun; and very soon after, calamari.) 12:26:46 -!- augur_ has joined. 12:29:08 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 12:31:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 12:32:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:52:36 -!- zzo38 has joined. 13:27:24 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:27:43 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 13:27:43 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:30:34 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:44:36 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:52:39 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:53:51 -!- sebbu has joined. 14:05:50 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:08:47 -!- oklopol has joined. 14:16:30 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 14:34:37 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:35:49 -!- hubs has joined. 14:36:24 -!- hubs has changed nick to etb. 14:37:38 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:37:57 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:44:42 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:53:03 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 14:53:08 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:03:16 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:08:08 -!- mig22 has joined. 15:18:12 -!- mig22 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:29:02 -!- mig22 has joined. 15:29:27 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:34:14 19:44:23: but > and :t pass an expression to mueval, which has some charset problem 15:34:14 elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 15:34:17 oerjan: incorrect 15:34:21 oerjan: :t actually uses ghci directly 15:34:43 i think i corrected myself 15:35:16 It was TOO LATE FOR THAT. 15:35:35 in any case, it's clearly a heap of charset messes 15:35:54 oerjan: The problem is not with mueval, it's with lambdabot. 15:36:22 lambdabot is using the same mueval as before, but the version of GHC it's using has been upgraded. 15:36:35 % mueval -e 'let ä = 42 in ä' 15:36:37 :1:5: parse error on input `ï¿½' 15:36:47 ah right, the new charset selection system... 15:36:54 % ghc -e 'let ä = 42 in ä' 15:36:57 42 15:37:04 Hmm. 15:37:10 Perhaps I'm wrong, then. 15:37:14 Why did it use to work with mueval? 15:37:20 dunno 15:38:16 ion: what are the relevant environment variables as you start mueval? 15:38:31 dunno 15:38:43 ... 15:39:12 i'm asking you to check, btw 15:39:24 What are the relevante environment variables? 15:39:26 also, for their values, not their identities 15:39:27 +typos 15:39:59 LC_* and LANG stuff, i assume 15:40:06 LANG, LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL are reasonably relevant for character sets. 15:42:14 % env -i LANG=en_US.UTF-8 HOME="$HOME" PATH="$PATH" mueval -e 'let ä = 42 in ä'; env -i LANG=en_US.UTF-8 HOME="$HOME" PATH="$PATH" ghc -ignore-dot-ghci -e 'let ä = 42 in ä' 15:42:17 :1:5: parse error on input `ï¿½' 15:42:18 42 15:42:50 LANG does not override what LC_FOO are set to, FWIW. 15:43:02 env -i 15:43:59 ghc uses utf-8 for files regardless, this is documented 15:44:31 *for haskell files 15:44:43 % env -i HOME="$HOME" PATH="$PATH" mueval -e 'let ä = 42 in ä'; env -i HOME="$HOME" PATH="$PATH" ghc -ignore-dot-ghci -e 'let ä = 42 in ä' 15:44:47 mueval-core: Enum.toEnum{Word8}: tag (56515) is outside of bounds (0,255) 15:44:50